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WOMAN: Can you start off by
telling me your name
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and a little bit about
your career in the Navy?
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My name is Ryan Graves.
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Uh, I was a Lieutenant
in the Navy
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for about 11 years...
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and I was with
the VFA-11 Red Rippers.
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In 2015, we were aboard
the USS Theodore Roosevelt.
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While we were off the coast
of Virginia Beach,
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what we were seeing out there
were essentially radar contacts
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that we didn't think
belonged there.
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(radio chatter)
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Two aircraft from my squadron
were flying out
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to the area one day,
and they were
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about 100 feet or so apart.
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As they were flying
through the area,
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the lead pilot in this aircraft
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saw an object--dvvoo--
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zip right by his aircraft.
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What they described was
a dark cube inside some type
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of clear sphere where
the corners of the cube
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are touching the inside
of that sphere.
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When that crew came back,
they were shocked.
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They were like, "Hey, we almost
hit one of those damn things."
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There was really no answer
of what--what it was,
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and so our squadron filed
a safety report,
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and we continued filing reports
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MAN: Ryan Graves
and many other pilots reported
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these strange encounters
with these unknown aircraft
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that had no wings, no cockpit,
no intakes, no exhaust,
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and that were somehow
seemingly able to fly.
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DIFFERENT MAN: They began to
have numerous encounters,
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Weekly, almost
daily in some cases.
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This continued month
after month, year after year.
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MAN: I can't tell you how many
times I've talked to pilots
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both civilian and military
who say, "Hey, Lue,
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"the reason why I didn't
report this is because
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"I didn't want to lose my job.
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"I got a mortgage to pay,
I got kids.
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You know if, if I report this,
they're gonna think I'm crazy."
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GRAVES: So we've been battling
this stigma for a while,
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but I couldn't just ignore
the things that I was seeing
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just because everyone else was
uncomfortable talking about it.
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It's just a matter
of time until there's
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a mid-air collision.
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LUE: You can't muzzle,
you can't squelch the truth.
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Our entire democracy is based
on the principles of truth.
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We get reports every night.
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MAN: I don't know
what the hell it is.
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MAN TWO: Looks like
a rotating light around it.
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MAN 3: I'd like to report
a UFO.
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REPORTER: The government's
UFO files are stored here
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at Maxwell Air Force Base
in Montgomery, Alabama.
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Notes, documents, and interview
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on 12,618 UFO cases.
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Since 1969, the investigation
has been closed.
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MAN: They said all
of this stuff was--
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was not to be
taken seriously or believed,
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even though there was 701 cases
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still on the table
that were unexplained.
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MAN: There is nothing in
Air Force files that come
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to a conclusion that spaceships
have visited the Earth.
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BLUMENTHAL: When the government
said, "You're not seeing
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what you're seeing,"
that immediately created
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a distrust in the government.
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REPORTER: UFO activists
have gotten mighty vocal
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in recent weeks.
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(chanting) We want the truth!
We want the truth!
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WOMAN: Because of that
mistrust, people develop
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all kinds
of conspiracy theories.
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Many conspiracy theories start
with a kernel of truth.
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So you had, uh, a lot
of focus for instance
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on Area 51, a secret facility
in the Nevada desert.
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REPORTER: The base has been
cloaked in secrecy for decades.
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MAN: Area 51 is the place
where some of our most advanced
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legendary aircraft
were developed in secret
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for the CIA
and for the Air Force,
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but the excessive
secrecy launched
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an entire mythology that they
have crashed spaceships
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that are being
reverse-engineered at Area 51.
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MULDER: Area 51, where
the military has conducted--
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SCULLY: For the past 50 years,
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classified experiments involving
extraterrestrial technology.
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REPORTER: What can you say
goes on at this test facility?
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Darn little.
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KEAN: Part of the mythology
is that there is an alien craft
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stored there,
and this stems from a crash
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of something in Roswell,
New Mexico, in the 1940s.
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MAN: For people that are
deep into the UFO experience,
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they believe that whatever
was discovered at Roswell
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was taken at some
point to Area 51.
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MAN: If there are,
in fact, any
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extraterrestrial type equipment
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or anything that's been
recovered, it's most likely
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out here somewhere.
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HARRY REID: I've been to Area 5
on more than one occasion,
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and it was just really
interesting some of the stuff.
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They had a Soviet helicopter,
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but my personal feeling
and all the knowledge I have,
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I think anyone that talks
about having wreckages
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from outer space, I just
don't think that exists,
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but the American
people want information.
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The one way we always get
in trouble in government is
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trying to hide stuff,
trying to be non-transparent.
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REPORTER:
Senator Reid, Senator Reid!
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KEAN: Harry Reid played
such a critical role
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to the progress that we've
made on the UFO issue.
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He instigated a program
at the Department of Defense
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to investigate UFOs,
and he became very outspoken
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about the need for
an official disclosure
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and transparency.
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REID: As far as I'm concerned,
there needs to be
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a tremendous amount
of government resources
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put into this
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because the American people
are entitled to know
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what the hell's going on.
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ANCHOR: The New York Times
detailing our nation's
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secretive search for signs
of intelligent life.
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The Advanced Aerospace
Threat Identification Program
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reportedly dates back to 2007,
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and one of its patron saints
is said to be
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former senator Harry Reid.
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REPORTER: The military
spending millions of dollars
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to look into UFO sightings
and videos
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from American fighter pilots,
all being made public.
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LUE: The New York Times article
that came out in 2017
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started this journey
for us as a country.
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It revealed several things.
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First of all, the fact that
the U.S. government was still
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looking at UFOs
and that there was
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enough information there
to convince a lot of people
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that it was real.
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MAN: When you learn about
a program on UFOs
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and then we see the videos
were released,
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and "Well, this is fantastic."
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What we've now had to come
to grips with is that
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we have not learned
hardly anything
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about the specifics
of what they did
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in this secret project.
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REPORTER: President Obama says
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that there is footage
and records
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of objects in the skies,
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these unidentified
aerial phenomenon,
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and he says we don't know
exactly what they are.
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What do you think that it is?
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I would ask him again.
Thank you.
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(laughter)
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KEAN: You can only imagine what
they have and what
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they've learned in this
secret program
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that they're not
revealing to us.
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When are we going to
have access to that?
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MAN: If you hide
the information rather
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than revealing it to everyone,
then it becomes much easier
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for it to be seen
as conspiratorial.
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So being able to shed light
on all of this and make it
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available for objective study
can eliminate
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the conspiracy aspect
of any of this.
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REID: With the information
we have right now,
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there's no reason in my opinion
why they shouldn't do
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some public hearings on this.
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It's a perfect time to do it.
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KEAN: Harry Reid remained
involved with this right up
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until the time that he died.
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Thankfully, there
was another person
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in government who came
along to carry on
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his legacy and pick
up the torch.
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My name is Kirsten Gillibrand.
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I'm a senator from New York,
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and I sit on the Senate
Armed Services Committee
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and the Senate Select
Committee on Intelligence.
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On the Armed Services Committee
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over the last decade, we've had
very minimal reporting
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on UAPs, unidentified
aerial phenomenon,
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and I was talking
to some staff,
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and they said, "Well,
if you are interested
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in this topic, you should
really talk to Harry Reid.
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So I called him and I said,
"Harry, I'm really interested
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"in this issue of UAPs.
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can you give me
some advice on it?"
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And he said, "Well,
it's really important,
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and you should
definitely work on it."
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The more I sort of pushed
on this issue,
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the more I realized that
our armed forces
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were able to capture
video footage
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of unidentified
aerial phenomena...
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(radio chatter)
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but over time have decided
it's best to say nothing
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if you see something that you
can't identify
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because you may well be seen
as someone who is crazy
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and that it will harm
your career.
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We just need to know the facts,
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and that is certainly our
responsibility as members
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of Congress to
demand those facts.
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GRAVES: We spend a lot of time
and a lot of resources
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ensuring that our aircraft
operate safely,
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and to think that we would
ignore a potential safety issue
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because of a little
skepticism around
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a, you know, 3-letter acronym,
it just doesn't make sense.
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I thought that we had to expres
this in the public light,
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and make it OK to talk about,
not just for people, right,
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but for elected officials.
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that proved that there
was something
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we did not understand.
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KEAN: As a number of these
pilots came forward,
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interest in Washington seemed
to increase in this topic,
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and Those pilots actually
briefed members of Congress
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about what they had seen.
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GRAVES: I did have
the opportunity to go
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to the Pentagon personally
to tell my story
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in a classified environment.
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Other pilots went there
to discuss this, as well.
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I'm Alex Dietrich.
I'm a retired naval officer.
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I served 20 years
in the U.S. Navy.
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My name is David Fravor.
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I'm a retired navy commander,
Super Hornet pilot,
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where I flew for 18 years
for the United States Navy.
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DIETRICH: Dave Fravor and I
were asked by the Pentagon
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if we would agree to go
into closed session.
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We spoke to some
individuals in Congress,
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giving us a chance to
talk about the incident.
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We were flying
a training exercise
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in Southern California
off the coast.
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Commander David Fravor
in the lead aircraft,
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he was the commanding officer
of the squadron.
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We look down, and we see
a long, cylindrical
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white object with rounded ends
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roughly 40 feet long
that looked like
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a giant Tic Tac.
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MELLON: When you have
a face-to-face meeting
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with these pilots,
when they describe in detail
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the incidents and the encounter
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and you feel the emotion,
it becomes virtually impossible
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to deny that
this is something serious
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and something real.
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PILOT: Look at that thing, dude
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FRAVOR: One of the meetings
with the highest group
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of officials was supposed
to be 30 minutes.
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It was an hour and a half.
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They literally did not
want to leave,
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and a couple of them were
enthralled, like,
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could not stop asking questions
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REPORTER: How concerned should
we be about the briefing that
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you received on UFOs?
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is that a concern for pilots?
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Yeah, I'm not gonna get
into any of the contents
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of the briefing.
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It was a classified
briefing.
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The military and others
are taking
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this issue seriously,
which I think
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in previous generations
may not have been the case.
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MARCO RUBIO: Some of my
colleagues are very interested
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in this topic, and some
kind of, you know, giggle,
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but I--I--don't think
we can allow the stigma
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to keep us from having an answer
to a very fundamental question.
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TIM BURCHETT: Clearly,
something's going on.
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The American public
wants to know,
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and frankly we deserve to know.
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KEAN: Congress wanted to get
to the bottom of this,
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get everything on the table
that was known about it.
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Ultimately, Congress
did something unprecedented.
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REPORTER: For many years,
government investigations
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into these close encounters
were shrouded in secrecy.
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Now the curtain may be lifted.
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KEAN: They asked
the intelligence community
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to provide them with a report
about what they know about UFOs
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ANCHOR: In June, the Pentagon
will issue a report to Congress
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ANCHOR TWO: The release
next month
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of a highly anticipated
military report.
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MELLON: For this report
from the Director
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of National Intelligence,
we didn't know how responsive
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the services would be,
the Air Force in particular.
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We were very eager to see
what they would come up with.
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ANCHOR: The U.S. intelligence
community has finally released
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its highly anticipated
UFO report.
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ANCHOR TWO: The Pentagon
is taking it seriously,
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saying it's possible this is
a national security issue
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and a danger to flight.
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ELIZONDO: In this report,
it states specifically
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that there were 144 incidents
that this report reviewed.
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GAYLE KING: Now, the study
released on Friday found
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only one of those
can be explained.
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Just one!
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PODESTA: There were
18 incidents that showed
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unusual air characteristics--
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start, stop, hovering,
incredible speed,
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things that
they couldn't explain.
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KEAN: The report established
that UFOs are
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a real physical phenomenon.
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It also stated
that they were not
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American technology,
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and there was no evidence
that they were
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either Russian or Chinese.
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PODESTA: So we know that. Heh.
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What we don't know is what
caused this phenomena.
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ANDRÉ CARSON: With the coming
out of this report,
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it's opened up the door
because the report
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in effect is inconclusive.
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BURCHETT: They came back
with a report that was
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pretty lame, I thought.
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I said I could have written
it when I was
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in the fifth grade.
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Very short and nothing.
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ELIZONDO: It was very clear
to most people that
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the Air Force was conspicuously
absent for that reporting,
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And I think some of that
goes back to
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when the Air Force was tasked
originally
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to end Project Blue Book,
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to look at this topic of UFOs.
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MELLON: Their civilian
astronomer Dr. Allen Hynek
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became increasingly
dissatisfied as a scientist
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because they weren't
approaching it
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in a scientific way.
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And we've always honored
accredited media
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when they want to investigate
a given, specific sighting.
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HOST: There's nothing to hide?
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There's nothing to hide at all.
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RODEGHIER:
So this just continues
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the fine, long tradition
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of the Air Force neglecting,
uh, the UFO problem.
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MELLON: The Air Force
of course has the most sensors,
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the most capability,
and the responsibility
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for monitoring air and space.
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That's the primary
source you would turn to
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for information,
and they were not forthcoming.
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PODESTA: What I fear is that
government will feel
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they were asked to do a report,
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they did a minimally
acceptable report,
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and now they can go back
and forget about it.
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I fear that.
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GILLIBRAND: When I joined
the Intelligence Committee,
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I began to see that we
weren't actually getting
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the reporting that
I thought Congress
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would have been getting
on UAPs.
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That gave me very serious
concern that we're not
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given the information
we need to do our jobs.
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MELLON: It's like trying to put
a puzzle together
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when the pieces are
in different rooms
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all over different buildings.
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VALLÉE: Dr. Hynek told me
very wisely that there is
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no such thing as
a U.S. government.
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There are a number of
agencies with their own focus,
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their own technologies,
and their own budgets.
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So it's very difficult
to get those agencies
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to converge on a new phenomenon
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that doesn't seem to
belong to anyone.
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KEAN: Government agencies
definitely need to play
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a role in gathering
data about UFOs,
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but if they don't organize
this data and centralize it,
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then a lot of it could be lost.
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We know of at least one case
where the material was
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passed around
from agency to agency,
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and that was
the Aguadilla case.
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MELLON: Aguadilla is an inciden
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where the local airport
detected a UFO.
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They notified the U.S. Customs
enforcement aircraft
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with a sophisticated
infrared camera system.
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They were able to
observe it and film it
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for 5 minutes or so.
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It's a curious little craft
that doesn't appear
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to have rotors.
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It's unclear how it manages
to fly without wings.
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When people say, "How come
there are no pictures?"
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Well, here's quite
an extensive video
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officially taken
by the U.S. Government
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of yet another UAP.
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MAN: The Aguadilla video
was shuffled around
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in Homeland Security,
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and apparently they sent
a copy of the video
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to the Air Force and said,
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"Could you guys tell us
what this is?"
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and the Air Force replied back,
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"Why don't you contact
a civilian UFO group?"
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And so that's how
we got access to the video.
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This is the object that's
being tracked
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by the Homeland Security
aircraft.
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You have latitude,
longitude coordinates,
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and you have all
the information,
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and pause right there.
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Currently, I'm an executive
board member
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with the Scientific Coalition
for UAP studies.
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This organization consists
of about 160 people.
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Almost all of them have
backgrounds in science.
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We provide a location
where scientists can actually
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come and research
the subject without the stigma
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that's often associated with it
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We broke the video down
into individual frames
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and looked at it frame by frame,
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and the first time I saw
the video, I'm watching it,
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and you see this little dot
moving along,
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and then, to me, you see
the object go into the water,
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and I can hardly see a splash.
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I mean, how did it do that?
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But the really exciting
part was it comes out
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of the water,
and then you see two objects.
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Right there.
Now there's two objects.
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The pilot you'll see,
he's magnified it because
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he's like, "What
in the heck is going on?"
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When I looked at it
frame by frame,
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to me, it was crazy.
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It was clear to me that
there was not
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another object that
came out of the water.
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I thought this object
had simply split in half
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and became two objects.
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That's what really made
that video so anomalous,
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but I have
no explanation for it.
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That's just what the data show.
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KEAN: The Aguadilla video
could have easily fallen
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through the cracks.
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There are probably
other videos that just sit
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in some agency that we
don't even know about.
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ELIZONDO: We had this
video data at the Pentagon.
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We actually had this,
but there's a lot more.
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There's--there's--there's
a lot more videos there.
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It's not up to me to
release or talk about,
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but I can tell you that
I've personally had access
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to them along
with my colleagues.
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There's some that are--
that are extremely compelling.
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GILLIBRAND: We need to have
a place where all
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this information
can be brought together.
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That is what a responsible,
thoughtful approach
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towards something you do not
know what it is would be,
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and so that's what I put
into the defense bill,
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and that is what is
going to be in place
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moving forward.
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REPORTER: The headlines are
screaming about legislation
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from New York
Senator Kirsten Gillibrand.
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REPORTER TWO: A bipartisan
amendment proposed
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in the National Defense
Authorization Act
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would create
a permanent office...
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REPORTER 3: Permanent
government office tasked
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with investigating
unidentified aerial phenomenon.
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GILLIBRAND: These are serious
issues of National Security
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and technology that
we should know about.
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MELLON: In December of 2021,
Congress enacted
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the Gillibrand amendment,
which created a new office
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to study the UAP phenomenon.
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GILLIBRAND: What I would
expect it to be is some
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of the brightest minds
in the whole country
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focused on this
specific review--
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mathematicians and scientists
and astrophysicists,
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and people who understand
how to look
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at this phenomenon
and analyze it.
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KEAN: The people interested
in this have been calling
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for this for so long,
and that it's finally happening
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is just amazing,
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and this is only
the beginning.
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The legislation
that was proposed
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by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand
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was important in so many ways,
but one thing
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that stood out was she wanted
the office to research
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materials that are allegedly
connected to crashed UFOs.
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GILLIBRAND: We should never be
afraid of what we don't know.
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I know nothing
about crash materials.
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I don't even know
if they exist.
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If there are any, of course
they should be studied.
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If we don't know what it is,
it's not
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an appropriate response to say,
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"Well, then let's not
look at it."
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I'm Garry Nolan.
I'm a professor
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of pathology at Stanford.
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My background is
in genetics, microbiology,
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virology, and cancer biology.
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When some scientist friend
heard that I was working
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on UFOs, he said,
"Well, you're gonna ruin
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your career."
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It got me mad.
It's just data.
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I'm not coming to
any conclusions.
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People have been seeing
these things for so long,
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and somehow we seem to feel
like we need government
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to tell us that it's OK
to believe in it.
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I don't agree with that
kind of approach to life.
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I don't need anybody to
tell me what it is that
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I know is real.
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ELIZONDO: Garry's
a Nobel nominee
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and a Stanford researcher,
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and he's just now
coming out of the shadows.
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He's dealing with something
here with the UAP phenomenon,
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that's just something outside
of our current understanding,
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but that doesn't mean
we should shy away from it.
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It just means
we should understand it.
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I've got some
of them with me.
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WOMAN: In your opinion,
does the U.S. government have
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crashed materials
in their possession?
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Yes.
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KEAN: What's really important
about physical materials is
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that they could possibly
reveal that these
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were not from Earth.
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Garry works with Jacques Vallée
on these studies.
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Jacques--he's a computer
scientist, an astronomer.
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He also has been studying
UFOs of course
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and has been one of the most
original thinkers
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in that field.
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NOLAN: I brought some
of the other materials here
493
00:23:44,173 --> 00:23:45,803
that we've been looking at.
494
00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:47,179
I mean, there was
30 pounds of this dropped
495
00:23:47,176 --> 00:23:49,966
on the ground in a molten state.
496
00:23:49,970 --> 00:23:53,890
VALLÉE: There are a number
of cases where people saw
497
00:23:53,891 --> 00:23:57,851
an object coming from the sky
and crashing in a field,
498
00:23:57,853 --> 00:23:59,903
and they've recovered something
499
00:23:59,897 --> 00:24:02,977
When I spoke to physicists,
they said, "Well,
500
00:24:02,983 --> 00:24:05,613
"you know, Jacques, you know,
it's fascinating,
501
00:24:05,611 --> 00:24:09,991
"but you haven't given me
something I can take to my lab,
502
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:12,080
something I can put
on the microscope,"
503
00:24:12,076 --> 00:24:16,706
but that's started to happen
in the last few years.
504
00:24:16,705 --> 00:24:20,245
NOLAN: This is a magnesium
isotope ratios for Ubatuba.
505
00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:23,670
VALLÉE: I wonder why people
always expect it to be
506
00:24:23,671 --> 00:24:26,841
very complex, you know,
metal materials.
507
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,390
KEAN: One of the cases that
Jacques and Garry studied
508
00:24:29,385 --> 00:24:33,555
involved a UFO event
that occurred in 1957.
509
00:24:33,555 --> 00:24:35,805
Jacques had collected samples,
and he brought them
510
00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:39,438
into the lab and worked
with Garry on the case.
511
00:24:43,941 --> 00:24:48,321
NOLAN: The Ubatuba event was
a fisherman, he sees
512
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,910
a glowing object over the ocean
513
00:24:50,906 --> 00:24:54,236
that suddenly exploded
and just shattered
514
00:24:54,243 --> 00:24:56,753
these magnesium chunks,
515
00:24:56,745 --> 00:24:59,325
bright, silvery metal,
all over the ground
516
00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:01,331
and in the water.
517
00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:03,463
The fisherman went back
and collected this stuff.
518
00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:06,920
KEAN: Decades later, Garry was
able to study it in his lab.
519
00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:09,172
He found that
for the magnesium sample
520
00:25:09,174 --> 00:25:11,144
the way it was held together
was something
521
00:25:11,135 --> 00:25:13,545
that had been manipulated.
522
00:25:13,554 --> 00:25:15,564
NOLAN: It's pretty clear
that they were part
523
00:25:15,556 --> 00:25:18,596
of some industrial process
that had engineered them
524
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,100
to be different.
525
00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:22,562
That is interesting.
526
00:25:22,563 --> 00:25:25,113
Maybe it was being used
for propulsion.
527
00:25:25,107 --> 00:25:27,857
Maybe it was used for
energy generation.
528
00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:30,150
It's a physics
we just don't understand,
529
00:25:30,154 --> 00:25:31,534
but who couldn't be
excited about
530
00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:33,280
potentially understanding it?
531
00:25:33,282 --> 00:25:35,412
Because imagine what
we could do with it.
532
00:25:35,409 --> 00:25:38,409
If you could so easily move
from one place to another--
533
00:25:38,412 --> 00:25:41,252
as in the videos that have
been seen--the energy that
534
00:25:41,248 --> 00:25:43,958
is necessary to do that,
535
00:25:43,959 --> 00:25:47,169
who needs coal-fired
power plants anymore, right?
536
00:25:47,171 --> 00:25:51,131
So that, to me, is one
of the most important parts
537
00:25:51,133 --> 00:25:53,643
about thinking
about the phenomenon.
538
00:25:53,635 --> 00:25:56,095
If you take the data
off the table
539
00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:58,176
and you don't allow it to be
part of the solution,
540
00:25:58,182 --> 00:25:59,772
the solution could be staring
you in the face,
541
00:25:59,767 --> 00:26:01,557
but you just threw it
in the garbage.
542
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,940
That's not how a scientist
approaches science.
543
00:26:05,939 --> 00:26:07,939
GILLIBRAND:
Fear grows in darkness.
544
00:26:07,941 --> 00:26:10,991
It's essential that you have
light and transparency.
545
00:26:10,986 --> 00:26:15,486
There's nothing to me that
is frightening or worrisome
546
00:26:15,491 --> 00:26:18,911
about research
and study and analysis.
547
00:26:18,911 --> 00:26:21,371
That is what scientists
and academics
548
00:26:21,371 --> 00:26:22,921
are extremely good at.
549
00:26:22,915 --> 00:26:24,955
It is what they are there to do
550
00:26:24,958 --> 00:26:27,418
so why not use our best
and brightest to get
551
00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:31,759
a clearer handle on what's
known and what's unknown?
552
00:26:31,757 --> 00:26:36,297
KEAN: Now the UFO topic
has been authenticated as real
553
00:26:36,303 --> 00:26:39,773
by the government,
so that has drawn people in.
554
00:26:39,765 --> 00:26:41,765
There's just a much wider
arena of people
555
00:26:41,767 --> 00:26:43,597
that are involved now.
556
00:26:47,106 --> 00:26:49,476
MAN: When the government
came forward in the form
557
00:26:49,483 --> 00:26:51,863
of the report from the Director
558
00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:53,450
of National Intelligence
and talks
559
00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:56,195
about objects
they cannot identify,
560
00:26:56,198 --> 00:26:59,578
that's very significant.
561
00:26:59,576 --> 00:27:02,906
If the government doesn't
really know what they are,
562
00:27:02,913 --> 00:27:05,083
then it's the duty of
the scientific community
563
00:27:05,082 --> 00:27:06,922
to come to the help
of the government
564
00:27:06,917 --> 00:27:08,587
in figuring it out,
565
00:27:08,585 --> 00:27:11,375
So a month after
the Pentagon report,
566
00:27:11,380 --> 00:27:16,800
I established the Galileo
Project in July 2021.
567
00:27:16,802 --> 00:27:20,142
ANCHOR: A team of international
scientists is embarking
568
00:27:20,138 --> 00:27:22,978
on a new research project
that just a few years ago
569
00:27:22,975 --> 00:27:26,225
would have been dismissed
as very fringe.
570
00:27:26,228 --> 00:27:28,858
ELIZONDO: What Professor
Avi Loeb has managed to do is
571
00:27:28,856 --> 00:27:32,686
create this body of scientists
who are willing to say,
572
00:27:32,693 --> 00:27:35,153
"To hell with social stigma.
573
00:27:35,153 --> 00:27:37,573
"We're gonna have the courage,
as a scientific community,
574
00:27:37,573 --> 00:27:42,163
to look at this topic
from a scientific perspective."
575
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,370
That is, in itself,
revolutionary.
576
00:27:58,218 --> 00:28:00,178
REPORTER: At Harvard,
Astrophysics professor
577
00:28:00,178 --> 00:28:03,018
Avi Loeb is hoping to
collect scientific data
578
00:28:03,015 --> 00:28:04,925
on the kinds of mysterious
objects that have been
579
00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:07,193
spotted by fighter pilots.
580
00:28:07,185 --> 00:28:08,895
LOEB: The Galileo Project
would look
581
00:28:08,896 --> 00:28:11,436
at unidentified
objects near Earth
582
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,230
and try to identify the nature
583
00:28:14,234 --> 00:28:16,904
of interstellar objects
that enter the solar system
584
00:28:16,904 --> 00:28:19,914
from outside
whose nature is unclear.
585
00:28:19,907 --> 00:28:23,117
We will keep the data
open, not classified.
586
00:28:23,118 --> 00:28:24,698
ELIZONDO: What
Professor Avi Loeb has
587
00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:27,583
managed to do is create
this consortium
588
00:28:27,581 --> 00:28:29,211
of like-minded scientists,
589
00:28:29,207 --> 00:28:30,577
and when I say,
"Like-minded scientists"
590
00:28:30,584 --> 00:28:32,294
I don't mean believers, OK?
591
00:28:32,294 --> 00:28:35,424
I mean scientists, all who
agree that this topic
592
00:28:35,422 --> 00:28:37,302
is worthy of study.
593
00:28:37,299 --> 00:28:39,049
LOEB: I look
at problems differently
594
00:28:39,051 --> 00:28:41,801
because fundamentally,
I'm a farm boy.
595
00:28:45,015 --> 00:28:47,225
I used to drive
the tractor through the hills
596
00:28:47,225 --> 00:28:49,515
of the village and read
philosophy books
597
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:53,689
because I was mostly interested
about the fundamental questions
598
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:55,780
How did everything start?
599
00:28:55,776 --> 00:28:58,146
Is there life elsewhere?
600
00:28:58,153 --> 00:29:00,573
If we see an object in the sky,
we should not assume
601
00:29:00,572 --> 00:29:02,662
that it's natural or human-made
602
00:29:02,658 --> 00:29:07,448
but rather get more evidence
on if it doesn't look familiar.
603
00:29:07,454 --> 00:29:11,464
So this is the roof of the
Harvard College Observatory.
604
00:29:11,458 --> 00:29:12,998
-Right.
-It's an institution
605
00:29:13,001 --> 00:29:15,801
that existed for more
than 170 years.
606
00:29:15,796 --> 00:29:18,466
This is where the telescope
system will be.
607
00:29:18,465 --> 00:29:20,085
-Over there?
-Yeah.
608
00:29:20,092 --> 00:29:22,512
What we will have is
a dome-shaped array
609
00:29:22,511 --> 00:29:27,021
of infrared cameras that look
at the entire sky at all times.
610
00:29:27,015 --> 00:29:29,095
We will monitor the sky and hav
611
00:29:29,101 --> 00:29:31,731
an artificial intelligence
software that analyzes
612
00:29:31,728 --> 00:29:35,228
what we see and tries to
identify whether it's a bird,
613
00:29:35,232 --> 00:29:37,692
a drone,
an atmospheric phenomena,
614
00:29:37,693 --> 00:29:39,743
or something else.
615
00:29:39,736 --> 00:29:41,986
We allow for the possibility
616
00:29:41,989 --> 00:29:44,869
of an extraterrestrial
technological origin,
617
00:29:44,866 --> 00:29:46,786
which makes us different
from the rest
618
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,325
of the scientific community
that does not even allow
619
00:29:49,329 --> 00:29:52,289
for that
possible interpretation.
620
00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:55,420
NOLAN: The Galileo Project is
an extraordinary step
621
00:29:55,419 --> 00:29:59,169
that Dr. Loeb has taken
because you have the credibility
622
00:29:59,172 --> 00:30:02,262
of a major scientific
institution behind it,
623
00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:06,639
and It's giving people
permission to talk about it.
624
00:30:06,638 --> 00:30:08,638
This is a turning point.
625
00:30:10,267 --> 00:30:13,097
(applause)
626
00:30:13,103 --> 00:30:16,863
LOEB: On November 10, 2021,
there was
627
00:30:16,857 --> 00:30:19,027
the Ignatius Forum
that took place
628
00:30:19,026 --> 00:30:20,986
in the Washington
National Cathedral.
629
00:30:20,986 --> 00:30:25,066
It was attended by the head
of NASA Bill Nelson,
630
00:30:25,073 --> 00:30:27,783
the director of National
Intelligence Avril Haines,
631
00:30:27,784 --> 00:30:30,704
Jeff Bezos, and myself.
632
00:30:30,704 --> 00:30:33,464
LOEB: My point is simple.
Let's look at the sky
633
00:30:33,457 --> 00:30:36,207
and check if there is
any equipment that were sent
634
00:30:36,209 --> 00:30:37,959
by other civilizations,
635
00:30:37,961 --> 00:30:41,671
and that's the goal
of the Galileo Project.
636
00:30:41,673 --> 00:30:43,803
The Ignatius Forum
was a discussion
637
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,220
about the theological
implications of discovering
638
00:30:48,221 --> 00:30:50,601
a smarter kid
on our cosmic block.
639
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:53,979
It was fascinating for me
to sit next to Avril Haines,
640
00:30:53,977 --> 00:30:56,227
the Director of National
Intelligence, when she made
641
00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:59,899
a statement that some
of the objects might be
642
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:02,280
from an extraterrestrial origin.
643
00:31:02,277 --> 00:31:05,237
The main issues that
Congress and others have been
644
00:31:05,238 --> 00:31:07,818
concerned about are basically
safety of flight concerns
645
00:31:07,824 --> 00:31:09,534
and counterintelligence issues,
646
00:31:09,534 --> 00:31:11,874
but of course, there's
always the question of
647
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:14,410
is there something else that
we simply do not understand
648
00:31:14,414 --> 00:31:16,794
that might come
extraterrestrially?
649
00:31:16,792 --> 00:31:20,302
LOEB: To me, that was
very revealing because it
650
00:31:20,295 --> 00:31:23,295
now appears that government
is willing to discuss
651
00:31:23,298 --> 00:31:26,718
that possibility
of an extraterrestrial origin.
652
00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:28,468
REPORTER: Avril Haines, who is
653
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:30,600
the Director
of National Intelligence,
654
00:31:30,597 --> 00:31:33,557
saying that it was possible
that the strange encounters
655
00:31:33,558 --> 00:31:37,348
could be extraterrestrial life.
656
00:31:37,354 --> 00:31:40,614
KEAN: She said they may be
coming extraterrestrially.
657
00:31:40,607 --> 00:31:43,067
She opened up that door
to that possibility.
658
00:31:43,068 --> 00:31:46,238
It's a sign of how
things have changed.
659
00:31:48,949 --> 00:31:51,909
LOEB: Imagine one of these
objects happened to be
660
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:53,580
from another civilization.
661
00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:58,128
That would change
the future of humanity.
662
00:31:58,125 --> 00:32:02,045
CARSON: People want to know
is this otherworldly?
663
00:32:02,045 --> 00:32:04,165
Is it from our solar system?
664
00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:07,472
My hope is that
the UFO community,
665
00:32:07,467 --> 00:32:09,467
along with government officials,
666
00:32:09,469 --> 00:32:12,349
will work together in a way
667
00:32:12,347 --> 00:32:15,017
that will answer some
of these questions.
668
00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:21,186
KEAN: I'm just about to talk
to Representative André Carson,
669
00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:25,439
who is gonna be holding
open hearings on UAP.
670
00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:27,493
It's been more than
half a century
671
00:32:27,487 --> 00:32:30,737
since hearings in congress,
so it's, like, major news
672
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:33,370
that we're having open hearings
673
00:32:33,368 --> 00:32:35,198
There's an e-mail that
just came in.
674
00:32:35,203 --> 00:32:37,793
"Conference line 10 minutes."
675
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,790
Hello, Mr. Carson?
676
00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:44,173
Thank you so much for do--
taking this call with me.
677
00:32:46,256 --> 00:32:49,006
I mean, I'd love to know
you know what you really hope
678
00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:52,099
to accomplish from having
the hearing next week.
679
00:33:12,824 --> 00:33:14,954
CARSON: I think for far
too long people have said,
680
00:33:14,951 --> 00:33:17,951
"Oh, the public isn't ready
to know about these things,"
681
00:33:17,954 --> 00:33:21,674
but I think that the public is
ready now more than ever.
682
00:33:25,212 --> 00:33:29,422
MAN, ON P.A.: Our next and fina
station is D.C.'s Union Station
683
00:33:29,424 --> 00:33:30,884
REPORTER: The House
Oversight Committee will host
684
00:33:30,884 --> 00:33:32,304
its first public hearing
685
00:33:32,302 --> 00:33:34,682
on this issue since 1969.
686
00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:36,769
REPORTER TWO: Representatives
from the Pentagon will be asked
687
00:33:36,765 --> 00:33:39,015
questions by lawmakers
about what the U.S. government
688
00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:42,597
knows about all those
strange lights in the sky.
689
00:33:42,604 --> 00:33:44,944
REPORTER 3: These things
very well may be real,
690
00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:46,650
and it's about time we
heard more about
691
00:33:46,650 --> 00:33:48,820
what our government
knows about them.
692
00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:51,528
KEAN: This is really
an historic moment.
693
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:53,569
It's a milestone that
we are having
694
00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:57,743
an open Congressional
hearing about UFOs.
695
00:33:57,744 --> 00:33:59,504
GRAVES: I wasn't asked
to be here,
696
00:33:59,496 --> 00:34:01,496
but I felt personally
I wanted to have
697
00:34:01,498 --> 00:34:02,868
the opportunity
to come down here
698
00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:04,424
and try to take this thing
699
00:34:04,417 --> 00:34:06,287
full circle frankly.
700
00:34:06,294 --> 00:34:08,344
The Navy trained me
as a safety officer,
701
00:34:08,338 --> 00:34:10,298
and at the end of the day,
you know, we have objects
702
00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:11,548
that are nearly hitting
these aircraft,
703
00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:12,799
and it is a safety issue,
704
00:34:12,801 --> 00:34:14,091
and it's a tactical issue,
705
00:34:14,094 --> 00:34:17,354
and it's a strategic issue.
706
00:34:17,347 --> 00:34:19,597
The subcommittee
will come to order.
707
00:34:28,608 --> 00:34:31,108
CARSON: The last time Congress
had a hearing on UAPs
708
00:34:31,111 --> 00:34:33,111
was half a century ago.
709
00:34:33,113 --> 00:34:35,873
I hope that it does
not take 50 more years
710
00:34:35,865 --> 00:34:37,575
for Congress to hold another
711
00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:40,195
because transparency
is desperately needed.
712
00:34:40,203 --> 00:34:42,583
KEAN: The Members of Congress
represent the people
713
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,120
of the United States.
714
00:34:44,124 --> 00:34:45,964
The people want information.
715
00:34:45,959 --> 00:34:47,709
Congress wants more transparency
716
00:34:47,711 --> 00:34:49,881
from the Pentagon on this topic.
717
00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:52,879
CARSON: Undersecretary
Moultrie, Mr. Bray...
718
00:34:52,882 --> 00:34:54,722
KEAN: The two witnesses
that are being called
719
00:34:54,718 --> 00:34:56,798
are high-level officials.
720
00:34:56,803 --> 00:34:59,893
Ronald Moultrie is
the Under Secretary of Defense
721
00:34:59,889 --> 00:35:02,139
for Intelligence and Security,
722
00:35:02,142 --> 00:35:04,062
and Scott Bray is
Deputy Director
723
00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:05,850
of Naval Intelligence.
724
00:35:05,854 --> 00:35:08,234
Both of them obviously
know a great deal
725
00:35:08,231 --> 00:35:11,321
about the Pentagon's
research into UFOs.
726
00:35:11,318 --> 00:35:13,238
RAJA KRISHNAMOORTHI: There
have been no collisions
727
00:35:13,236 --> 00:35:18,276
between any U.S. assets and one
of these UAPs, correct?
728
00:35:18,283 --> 00:35:19,913
We have not had a collision.
729
00:35:19,909 --> 00:35:21,579
We've had at least 11
near misses, though.
730
00:35:21,578 --> 00:35:24,368
(radio chatter)
731
00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:28,172
Do we have any sensors
underwater to detect
732
00:35:28,168 --> 00:35:30,958
submerged UAPs?
733
00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:32,712
So I think that would
be more appropriately
734
00:35:32,714 --> 00:35:34,674
addressed
in closed session, sir.
735
00:35:34,674 --> 00:35:36,724
KRISHNAMOORTHI: OK. Can you
say with a 100% certainty
736
00:35:36,718 --> 00:35:38,928
that they are physical objects?
737
00:35:38,928 --> 00:35:41,178
I can say with certainty
that a number of these
738
00:35:41,181 --> 00:35:43,811
are physical objects.
739
00:35:43,808 --> 00:35:45,938
MIKE GALLAGHER: It's also been
reported that there have been
740
00:35:45,935 --> 00:35:48,805
UAP observed flying over
sensitive military facilities.
741
00:35:48,813 --> 00:35:50,483
One such incident
allegedly occurred
742
00:35:50,482 --> 00:35:52,322
at Malmstrom Air Force Base
743
00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:55,107
in which 10 of our nuclear ICBM
were rendered inoperable.
744
00:35:55,111 --> 00:35:57,161
I'm not commenting on
the accuracy of this.
745
00:35:57,155 --> 00:36:00,485
I'm simply asking you
whether you're aware of it.
746
00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:02,082
BRAY: I have heard stories.
I have not seen
747
00:36:02,077 --> 00:36:03,907
the official data on that.
748
00:36:03,912 --> 00:36:05,962
Well, I mean, it's a pretty
high-profile incident.
749
00:36:05,955 --> 00:36:07,825
You're--you're the
guys investigating it.
750
00:36:07,832 --> 00:36:10,422
I mean, who else is doing it?
751
00:36:10,418 --> 00:36:13,208
KEAN: Overall, it's
a huge step that the hearings
752
00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:15,883
even happened,
but It was frustrating
753
00:36:15,882 --> 00:36:18,222
because they just
didn't say that much.
754
00:36:21,137 --> 00:36:23,557
REPORTER: The Pentagon says
today's hearings,
755
00:36:23,556 --> 00:36:25,766
while they may not find
new answers,
756
00:36:25,767 --> 00:36:28,977
will help with how these
reports are handled.
757
00:36:28,978 --> 00:36:31,398
REPORTER TWO: This could be
the first of several hearings,
758
00:36:31,398 --> 00:36:33,778
with some lawmakers saying
next they would like to hear
759
00:36:33,775 --> 00:36:36,355
directly from some of
the pilots who have encountered
760
00:36:36,361 --> 00:36:38,531
those objects first hand.
761
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:40,570
BURCHETT: Overall reaction
to the hearings?
762
00:36:40,573 --> 00:36:42,953
I said I thought it will
be a cover-up at some level,
763
00:36:42,951 --> 00:36:45,371
and--and I feel like
that's what it was.
764
00:36:45,370 --> 00:36:47,000
GRAVES: How you doing?
Ryan Graves, one of the pilots.
765
00:36:46,996 --> 00:36:48,366
KEAN: Yeah. Right.
He was one of the pilots.
766
00:36:48,373 --> 00:36:49,793
Oh good gosh.
God bless you.
767
00:36:49,791 --> 00:36:51,381
-How are you?
-How you doing?
768
00:36:51,376 --> 00:36:53,246
Well, see you've got
a pilot right here,
769
00:36:53,253 --> 00:36:55,843
and he should've been
the one talking in there, OK?
770
00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:57,589
He should have been the one
talking, explaining
771
00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:59,840
what the heck was going on.
772
00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:02,143
BURCHETT: Congress needs to
give those pilots some sort
773
00:37:02,137 --> 00:37:04,177
of whistleblower's protection
774
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:07,060
and some guarantee that it will
not be a mark on their record,
775
00:37:07,058 --> 00:37:08,808
and we need to bring them in.
776
00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:11,350
-You talk.
-I just really appreciate that
777
00:37:11,354 --> 00:37:13,984
everyone took the time out
here in order to, uh,
778
00:37:13,982 --> 00:37:15,612
pay attention to this issue.
779
00:37:15,608 --> 00:37:17,488
From my perspective,
getting energy on this
780
00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:18,945
is simply going to save lives
at the end of the day
781
00:37:18,945 --> 00:37:20,485
for our Navy operators.
782
00:37:20,488 --> 00:37:22,028
This is something that
the American populace is
783
00:37:22,031 --> 00:37:24,121
very interested in,
and I think that
784
00:37:24,117 --> 00:37:26,157
they deserve to know
what's going on.
785
00:37:27,871 --> 00:37:30,171
BURCHETT: When our own
military fighter pilots,
786
00:37:30,165 --> 00:37:32,665
the best in the world,
787
00:37:32,667 --> 00:37:34,877
they're up there
and they're saying,
788
00:37:34,878 --> 00:37:36,588
"What in the world is this?"
789
00:37:36,588 --> 00:37:39,088
we should be concerned.
790
00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:41,720
PILOT: Look at that thing, dude
791
00:37:41,718 --> 00:37:44,048
ELIZONDO: Congress is doing
exactly the right thing.
792
00:37:44,053 --> 00:37:46,723
If their constituents are
demanding answers,
793
00:37:46,723 --> 00:37:48,983
then Congress needs
to demand answers.
794
00:37:48,975 --> 00:37:50,885
GILLIBRAND: That's what
the Constitutional framework
795
00:37:50,894 --> 00:37:52,734
of our democracy is all about.
796
00:37:52,729 --> 00:37:54,689
It's about oversight
and accountability,
797
00:37:54,689 --> 00:37:58,739
and each branch of government
having a responsibility.
798
00:37:58,735 --> 00:38:00,895
KEAN: Now that the government
has acknowledged
799
00:38:00,904 --> 00:38:02,954
that UFOs are real,
they're physical,
800
00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:05,367
they're a national security
concern,
801
00:38:05,366 --> 00:38:07,236
it raises a lot of questions,
802
00:38:07,243 --> 00:38:10,293
the main one being,
what are these things?
803
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:14,958
Where are they from?
Why are they here?
804
00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:18,419
RODEGHIER: The truth about
UFOS is easy to summarize.
805
00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:21,591
The UFO phenomenon is real
806
00:38:21,591 --> 00:38:24,801
and maybe the greatest
scientific problem of all time.
807
00:38:27,013 --> 00:38:29,643
WOMAN: What do you think
these things are?
808
00:38:29,641 --> 00:38:32,021
Let's try to break it down
one by one in terms
809
00:38:32,018 --> 00:38:33,978
of the technology that we see.
810
00:38:33,978 --> 00:38:36,978
We now know that these
objects go between Mach 5
811
00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:38,441
and Mach 20,
812
00:38:38,441 --> 00:38:42,901
20 times the speed of sound.
813
00:38:42,904 --> 00:38:44,954
They can fly in the air,
814
00:38:44,948 --> 00:38:47,238
and they can go even underwater
815
00:38:47,242 --> 00:38:49,832
(radio chatter)
816
00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:52,578
What could be behind that?
817
00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:55,580
Why should they go underwater?
818
00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:59,093
PITTS: Surprisingly enough,
we've explored more of the moon
819
00:38:59,087 --> 00:39:01,627
than we've explored
of our ocean floors
820
00:39:01,631 --> 00:39:03,631
on this planet,
821
00:39:03,633 --> 00:39:06,893
so our ocean floors are
just as much of a mystery
822
00:39:06,886 --> 00:39:09,136
to us as are some
of the moons orbiting
823
00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:12,848
some of the planets
in our solar system.
824
00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:14,730
KEAN: People ask a lot,
"Well, what do you
825
00:39:14,727 --> 00:39:16,397
think they are?"
826
00:39:16,396 --> 00:39:17,766
When I started out, I was
827
00:39:17,772 --> 00:39:19,272
probably pretty convinced
828
00:39:19,274 --> 00:39:21,284
of the extraterrestrial
hypothesis,
829
00:39:21,276 --> 00:39:23,486
that they were just visitors
from another planet,
830
00:39:23,486 --> 00:39:25,816
but I've come to learn since
that the phenomenon
831
00:39:25,822 --> 00:39:28,242
is way more complicated.
832
00:39:28,241 --> 00:39:31,161
It was traveling
at fantastic speed.
833
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,960
It was a series of about 6
lights in the shape of a cross.
834
00:39:33,955 --> 00:39:35,785
It seemed to be rotating,
and it was hovering.
835
00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:38,540
It was a rim of lights
in the shape of a triangle.
836
00:39:42,463 --> 00:39:44,633
KEAN: They're so diverse.
I just don't think
837
00:39:44,632 --> 00:39:46,932
it's a simple a disc-shaped shi
838
00:39:46,926 --> 00:39:49,926
that has traveled here
from some planet far away.
839
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,190
MELLON: If we succeed
and if we find that indeed
840
00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:03,817
there is an alien intelligence
of some kind in our atmosphere,
841
00:40:03,818 --> 00:40:07,158
it is gonna be something
that changes our world view,
842
00:40:07,155 --> 00:40:11,235
changes our understanding
of our place in the universe.
843
00:40:11,242 --> 00:40:15,832
LOEB: The way I see science
is as a service to society.
844
00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:18,460
That the knowledge we obtain
from studying
845
00:40:18,458 --> 00:40:20,998
the universe is relevant
for everyone
846
00:40:21,002 --> 00:40:23,922
and benefits everyone.
847
00:40:23,922 --> 00:40:26,302
WOMAN: Do you think we
will find evidence
848
00:40:26,299 --> 00:40:29,839
of extraterrestrial
intelligence in your lifetime?
849
00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:31,804
I think we already have.
850
00:40:31,804 --> 00:40:34,854
I don't need to
think in the future.
851
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:37,479
KAKU: Why is there
so much debate?
852
00:40:37,477 --> 00:40:39,687
Why all this controversy?
853
00:40:39,687 --> 00:40:43,607
Because what's at stake is
nothing less than our role
854
00:40:43,608 --> 00:40:45,648
in the universe.
855
00:40:45,652 --> 00:40:49,412
It roots back to
watching that space race
856
00:40:49,405 --> 00:40:50,815
as a kid growing up.
857
00:40:50,823 --> 00:40:52,783
MAN: Standard speed down 3.5.
858
00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:55,244
PODESTA: Overall, the world
benefited from having
859
00:40:55,244 --> 00:40:59,754
that sense of wonder
and that commitment to move
860
00:40:59,749 --> 00:41:01,379
human knowledge forward.
861
00:41:01,376 --> 00:41:03,206
That all applied to
862
00:41:03,211 --> 00:41:06,261
the unidentified
aerial phenomena question
863
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:09,715
would spur innovation,
tremendous thinking,
864
00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:11,427
the production of knowledge,
865
00:41:11,427 --> 00:41:13,257
and that's why
it shouldn't be locked
866
00:41:13,262 --> 00:41:15,972
in a secure vault someplace.
867
00:41:15,974 --> 00:41:19,694
POWELL: It's exciting to see
there's a lot more attention
868
00:41:19,686 --> 00:41:23,106
being given
on the subject of UAPs.
869
00:41:23,106 --> 00:41:25,726
I hope that things don't go bac
870
00:41:25,733 --> 00:41:29,153
and then 70 years from now
we're still wondering
871
00:41:29,153 --> 00:41:32,033
what the UAP might be.
872
00:41:32,031 --> 00:41:36,081
GRAVES:
Uh, the truth about UFOs.
873
00:41:36,077 --> 00:41:38,077
Man, uh, that's the one
question I was gonna say
874
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:39,369
you should ask me.
875
00:41:39,372 --> 00:41:40,582
The truth is that
876
00:41:40,581 --> 00:41:42,711
no one knows what they are...
877
00:41:45,461 --> 00:41:47,591
but we have the ability
878
00:41:47,588 --> 00:41:49,418
to figure it out if we want to.
879
00:41:55,722 --> 00:41:57,642
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