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(radio chatter).
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FOX: It's 1986 over Alaska,
Japan Airlines encountered
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something truly
inexplicable in the night sky.
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POWELL: These guys were
flying from Paris to Tokyo.
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They noticed a
very bright light.
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And it's following them.
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FOX: The pilot,
Kenju Terauchi had described it
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as being several times larger
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than his airplane, and his
airplane had an elevator in it.
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KEAN: It was huge and
Captain Terauchi was open about
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the fact that he was
afraid during this event.
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But the Japanese Airline
incident was hardly unique.
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PILOT (over radio):
We just had something go
right over the top of us.
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PILOT 2 (over radio):
It's a definite UFO or
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something like that.
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KEAN: Incidences like
this was much more widespread
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than anybody realized.
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PILOT (over radio): I
have no idea what that is.
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It just flew right over me.
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PILOT 2 (over radio):
The length is unbelievable.
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PILOT 3 (over radio):
Looks like a...
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UFO.
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KEAN: UFOs
definitely represented
an aviation safety hazard.
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There were many cases
documented that showed that.
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And yet, the
government didn't seem to care.
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REPORTER (over TV): In
tonight's special report,
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Mary Murphy finds that
while the US government has
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closed its eyes on the matter.
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The public hasn't
stopped seeing or believing.
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RODEGHIER: The U.S.
Government closed its
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formal study of
UFOs in late 1969.
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KEAN: The cases that
required investigation,
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none of that went away.
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And so people stepped
in to fill that void.
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NUFORC (over phone):
UFO Reporting Center...
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MAN (over phone): We got a call
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he saw five distinct lights
in a triangular pattern.
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MELLON: Thankfully
these events were recorded
by civilian researchers.
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It showed that the
phenomenon was continuing and
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it was extensive,
that it was widespread.
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KEAN: I mean look what
these people are saying,
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look what they've documented.
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This is real, and
it's a safety hazard.
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MAN: We get reports every night.
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MAN 2: I don't know
what the hell it is.
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(radio chatter)
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MAN: I'd like to report a UFO.
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(theme music playing)
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HYNEK: UFOlogy today is in the
state I would say chemistry was
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when chemistry was alchemy.
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A mixture of superstition,
wild ideas, unproved claims.
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And yet out of that whole mess,
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finally the very first class
science of chemistry evolved.
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What we need in UFOlogy
is to make it professional.
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KEAN: J. Allen Hynek
was a great advocate
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for civilians to
be researching UFOs.
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He felt that the subject
deserved scientific scrutiny.
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REPORTER (over TV):
Doctor Hynek's been
studying UFOs for 30 years.
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His files contained unexplained
sightings from 140 countries.
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KEAN: After Hynek died in 1986,
his work was carried on by
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a handful of
national UFO research groups.
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Even though the government
wasn't paying attention,
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the civilians were.
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REPORTER (over TV):
Phil Imbrogno of
Greenwich, Connecticut
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has recorded more than
300 hours of conversations
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with people who have
reported UFO sightings.
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REPORTER 2 (over TV):
Larry Faucet, a police officer
in Coventry, Connecticut.
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He helped establish
Citizens Against UFO Secrecy.
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NUFORC (over phone):
UFO reporting center...
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MAN (over phone): I
have never been a believer
of UFOs in my entire life,
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and I've just seen
a minimum of 9:00 this morning
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with my own eyes and,
I mean, I am a believer!
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KEAN: My goal in writing
about UFOs has been mainly to
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bring information
forward to the public.
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But, beyond that, it's
to motivate the official
world to pay attention.
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Once I realized that there was
enough data to show that these
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things are real and the
possibility that there are
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other civilizations
visiting us here,
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I was just hooked.
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And I realized that I
needed information that could be
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verified and documented and
cases that were irrefutable.
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I turned to the most
credible civilian researchers
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because they were
the ones doing the work.
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The National
Aviation Reporting Center on
Anomalous Phenomena, NARCAP,
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was founded by
Doctor Richard Haines who
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was a former
chief scientist for NASA.
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Hey Dick, can you hear me?
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HAINES (over computer):
I sure can.
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KEAN: Sure is good to see you!
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What is your
reflection on, you know,
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looking back at NARCAP, like,
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why you started it?
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HAINES (over computer):
Well, I'd spend quite a
number of years, as a hobby, uh
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studying this phenomenon.
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And I finally came to the
understanding that Ufology,
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the study of UFOs
or UAPs these days,
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is not gonna
progress until there's
some practical benefit from it.
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And so, I came up with this ide
let's look at aviation safety.
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KEAN: The FAA did not want to
receive any reports from any of
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their personnel
about UFO events.
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It was actually written in
their manual that if anyone saw
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a UFO they were to
report it to a civilian group.
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HAINES: NARCAP is a
reporting center for pilots and
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air traffic controllers who
would like to make a report of
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their sightings in a
completely confidential manner.
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We are looking carefully at
events that are happening in
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our skies, all the time, where
flight safety could be impacted.
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Our objective is
to make flying safer.
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KEAN: The work I
did with NARCAP,
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and really getting familiar with
the aviation safety hazards,
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I became more focused on
that as an important component
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of this whole issue.
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The second story that I ever
published on UFOs in 2001 was
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based on a 100-page
report that NARCAP produced.
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There were cases where the pilot
would have to make a very fast
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turn or he'd have to
dive to avoid hitting a UFO.
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Cases where passengers were
actually injured by maneuvers
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the airplane had to make.
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If you have commercial pilots
that are somehow in danger.
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I just thought as a journalist
this is really important,
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I mean, how could the
aviation world ignore this?
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One of the most fascinating
cases in the report was
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the Japan Airlines case, 1986.
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ATC (over radio): Spinner
1628 heavy, roger sir.
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FOX: What was really
compelling about this case is
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that you've got the radar data,
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and then you've got the
testimony of the pilot,
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talking to ground control.
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KEAN: There are these amazing
tapes in Richard Haines' archive
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of calls he made.
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And the pilots
will give him detailed
accounts of what they saw.
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One of the recordings was
with Captain Terauchi from
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the Japan Airlines case.
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POWELL: As they're
approaching Anchorage,
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they again radio the FAA.
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And they had the
plane do a couple of turns
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to see if the object
continues to follow it.
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HAINES: Captain Terauchi
was very surprised to realize
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that the object was still
beside him throughout that turn.
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HAINES: How is
it able to do that?
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Why would it do that?
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HAINES (over computer):
The phenomenon acts with
what I would call curiosity.
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To me, that's,
that's intelligence.
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HAINES: It raises some
fundamental questions about
the nature of the phenomenon.
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Would it constitute a
threat to flight safety?
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And the answer is clearly...
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Yes.
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RODEGHIER: The
Japan Airlines event was
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fairly lengthy as
far as UFO sightings go.
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MELLON: They watched it for
perhaps a half hour or more.
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It moved in different
positions around the aircraft.
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Eventually, as they descended
and approached the airport,
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it disappeared.
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RODEGHIER: But, the
real import of the case is
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what happens after the sighting.
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KEAN: Captain Terauchi,
spoke to the American press
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about this event.
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And Japan Airlines, took him
off the job for like a year.
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It just shows that
professional pilots,
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cannot report an
actual event that happened,
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that might even be a
hazard to their aircraft,
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without facing repercussions.
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KING: Now on the phone
with us from Anchorage is
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Paul Stueke who is
public affairs officer
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for the FAA in
the Alaska Region.
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What, Paul, does
the FAA say this is?
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STUEKE (over phone):
Well, we've got some possible
evidence of confirmation,
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but it is not real
strong and the military is,
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is totally unable to confirm
whether this object was real by
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its radar and
neither are we actually.
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KEAN: Publicly, the FAA said
that the object on radar was
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an unexplained split
image of the Japanese 747
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and not a separate object.
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But there was more
going on with this case than
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what the FAA had
to say publicly.
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When John Callahan, who
was the head of accidents and
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investigations at FAA,
first heard about this event,
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he ordered that all
the data be sent to him
immediately on this case.
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CALLAHAN: I said to
the, uh, software people,
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I want a briefing
in the, uh, the next room.
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I want to see on a chart, uh,
every place where the, uh,
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Japanese guy was, and I want to
see all the targets around him.
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I, uh, watched on radar, I
took a video tape of it and
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the next day came back
to Washington headquarters.
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This is where it first starts.
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It starts at 19 after the hour.
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You see that little dot?
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That's the UFO.
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KEAN: He studied all
this data, and then,
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according to Callahan,
he was called to a meeting
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at the Washington headquarters.
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And that meeting involved
a team of representatives
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from the White House.
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It included CIA representatives.
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RODEGHIER: That's strange.
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These things are not
typically investigated by
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the FBI, not the CIA.
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CALLAHAN: I played
the tapes for 'em,
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I show 'em all
the paperwork we got.
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I give them the whole tale.
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And they were all
excited about it.
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So, I'm, I'm standing next
to this, uh, this little guy,
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and he says, "Okay,
we were never here.
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We're confiscating
all this data and
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you're all sworn to secrecy."
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So I said, "What
do you think it is?"
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I'm still thinking
it's the stealth bomber.
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He says, "Well, it's a UFO."
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RODEGHIER: So, the US Government
doesn't take UFOs seriously and
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yet they do this?
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So what's going on here?
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Well, of course, we don't know
because they disappeared into
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the black maw of the government.
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KEAN: My story about pilot
encounters with UFOs got a lot
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of play and it was picked
up all across the country.
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But the culture
as a whole didn't
really take UFOs seriously.
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It was still considered fringe.
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And I, I felt kind of
determined to fight that.
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WOMAN: Have you ever wondered
why there wasn't more coverage
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in the mainstream media
about the subject of UFOs?
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We are very pleased today to
have an investigative journalist
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who has pushed through
that barrier, Leslie Kean.
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Thank you so
much for joining us!
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KEAN: When I started
out reporting on UFOs.
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I mean I felt like I was risking
my career as a journalist,
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I did feel that way.
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I was sort of an anomaly.
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I mean, there was nobody
doing this in the mainstream.
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I was really nervous
about being ridiculed because
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the attitudes of people
were mainly that it was a joke.
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If I would go to a party and
people said, "What do you do?"
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I would have to say, "Well,
I'm a journalist," and then I...
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The next question was always,
"Well, what do you write about?"
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And I was
dreading that question;
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I did not want to have
to say what I wrote about
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because it was embarrassing.
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But the fact that there
was so much opposition to it,
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the fact that it was ridiculed
actually kind of fueled my fire.
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And I felt so clear that there
was something to it that I just
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was willing to take that risk.
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And then I realized that there
were others who are out there
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researching this, taking it
out of the fringe who took it
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upon themselves to do what
the government wasn't doing,
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which was to investigate cases.
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KING: Your new documentary,
James, I Know What I Saw,
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assembles accounts
from various UFO witnesses
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from around the world.
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What do you believe James?
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FOX: I believe that
there are structured craft of
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unknown origin whizzing
around in our airspace whose
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flight characteristics are
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so beyond anything we've had.
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My name is James Fox.
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I have been working
on UFO films, for,
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coming up on my third decade.
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I was never out to
prove that ET has landed.
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My primary objective is
to say there is some really
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compelling evidence that
needs further investigation.
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I stuck with it despite the
level of ridicule for decades
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because I had gone to locations,
I'd met with the witnesses,
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I'd looked up the documents
from government files because
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I wanted to create a body of
evidence that I could present to
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mainstream and say, "Look.
There's something to it."
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KEAN: Over the years,
James Fox and I had a kind
of cooperative relationship,
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and we shared a
frustration about the lack of
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government investigation,
the lack of transparency,
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this sort of blasé
attitude that it didn't matter.
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James had experienced this
frustration for a long time in
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so many cases
that he investigated,
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one of them being the
Phoenix Lights of 1997.
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MAN (over radio): We're visitin
with James Fox filmmaker in
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town doing research on the,
the UFOs and interviews, uh...
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FOX: What makes the
Phoenix Lights UFO case
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so compelling is the sheer
volume of eyewitness testimony.
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KEAN: Hundreds of witnesses
saw something gliding over
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the state of Arizona for
over an hour and a half.
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MAN: It was Thursday night,
March 13th 1997.
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MAN 2: Nice calm
evening, about 8:30.
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WOMAN: My daughter, Monica,
came running in the house and
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said you've gotta come outside.
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MAN: As I closed both windows
and I looked to the north,
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I saw a large black
craft coming towards us.
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And I told my
wife at that time that
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son of a bitch is a mile long.
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FOX: I was working on a
film at the time on UFOs,
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and so I saw the progression
of this whole story unfold.
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WATSON: 'Cause it
barely missed that mountain!
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FOX: Really?
WATSON: Yeah.
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Came floating
over that mountain.
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FOX: The witnesses described
this boomerang shaped object
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that was over a mile across
from wing tip to wing tip.
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MAN: It's coming across
the sky and as it's moving.
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It's blocking and
unblocking the stars.
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There's actually a shape.
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WOMAN: I mean, we
were just in awe of it.
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I mean, no fear or
anything just kind of like,
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"Oh, this is the
coolest thing I've ever seen."
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MAN: I thought I
was going to pass out
because I stopped breathing.
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I was so enthralled
and looking at this thing.
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REPORTER (over TV): The
Phoenix lights event in March
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is being talked about
now all over the world.
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REPORTER 2 (over TV):
The buzz is very big in
the desert southwest after
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some weird happenings in
the skies over Phoenix recently
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KEAN: The objects in the sky
over Arizona were probably seen
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by more witnesses than
any other single UFO event
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in American history...
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FOX: So many
people wanted answers,
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that the
governor had to respond.
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KEAN: The governor
had said he was gonna
provide answers for people.
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They built up this
hope and expectation,
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"There's been an
investigation and
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we're gonna get something here."
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SYMINGTON: I
believe that a serious
offense for anyone, human,
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space alien or otherwise
to engage in mysterious activity
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in our nighttime skies.
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That is why I will personally
ask that the perpetrator be
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prosecuted to the
fullest for the havoc
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wrought on our entire community.
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Don't get him too close
to me, please, it's, you know...
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(laughter).
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This just goes to show that you
guys are entirely too serious.
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(cheering).
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FOX: He had one of his aides
dressed up in an alien suit and
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he made a mockery
of the whole thing.
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And I was in touch
with the witnesses,
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and they were just furious.
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SYMINGTON: Thank you! Thank you!
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(applause)
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FOX: That case is, I think,
pretty much representative of
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how the US government
treats the phenomenon.
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KEAN: Even this mass sighting,
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which involved
hundreds of witnesses,
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and lots of concern
in the state of Arizona,
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even that was not enough
to get government involvement
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and to get
government accountability.
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KEAN: The lack of transparency
within the American government
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on this topic
was so frustrating.
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But James and I have both
discovered that there are other
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countries that
really take this seriously.
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FOX: As a filmmaker,
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I was able to have a
level of participation from
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foreign governments and
military personnel that
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I didn't see in
the United States.
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KEAN: James and I went to France
together to the headquarters of
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the French agency
that studies UFOs,
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situated within the
equivalent of NASA in France,
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in the Space Studies Center.
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France sees it as a
scientific problem.
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They had access to specialists
from all over the country,
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who would contribute
to investigations.
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So if they needed
a weather specialist
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or a soil expert,
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psychologists who would
interview the witnesses,
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all these different areas of
expertise that all have a role
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to play in an investigation.
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FOX: I'd meet with military
people in China and in Russia
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and in Africa and
Australia and South America...
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There were similar things
happening all around the world.
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There was a very
compelling incident that
happened in Tehran, Iran
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in 1976 that involved the pilot
trying to shoot down a UFO.
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The pilot's name
was Parvis Jafari,
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and he described
this whole cat and
mouse thing with this object.
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He said it could literally go
from this point in the sky to
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this point in the sky
in the blink of an eye.
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And he said that was miles.
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JAFARI: I was looking
here at about 70 miles out and
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he jumped all of a
sudden ten degrees to my right.
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And I was wondering what is it?
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FOX: And at one point, I
think he felt threatened
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and decided to shoot it.
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That turned out to be
not such a good idea.
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His whole
control panel froze up.
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He was thinking he might have
to eject from the airplane.
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KEAN: Jafari made a very
important contribution by
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speaking out about this.
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And in Iran none of
it was kept secret.
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It was a big event
in that country.
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Countries in South America,
also took reports from pilots
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a lot more seriously.
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The government of Chile sees
it as mainly an aviation issue.
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KEAN: Costa Rica also
does not keep things secret.
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They had what I think may be
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the best photograph
of a UFO ever released.
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That was taken by a
government mapping plane.
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That photograph was made public.
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It was studied by scientists.
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We don't know what our
government actually possesses
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in terms of
photographs or videos,
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because they've
been kept classified.
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In America, UFOs became really
prevalent during the Cold War.
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And during the Cold War we did
not want to disclose anything.
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So that's sort of when we got in
the groove of keeping it secret.
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It just sort of became
ingrained in our system
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to see this as a
national security issue which
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therefore needs
to be classified.
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Some of these other governments,
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they look at it as an aviation
safety problem, perhaps,
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or a scientific problem.
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To me, this is the way
things should be done.
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After returning from these
explorations of other countries,
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I brought that
information to a very
important government insider,
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who I'd met in 2001, who was all
about government transparency.
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John Podesta was
President Clinton's
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Chief of Staff.
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And under Clinton he was partly
responsible for the release
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of many, many documents through
the Freedom of Information Act.
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This has been really great,
I appreciate your...
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PODESTA: I came
into this really as an
advocate of open government,
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more than I had thought
a lot about UFOs or UAPs.
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They were a
curiosity for me really,
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but the two interests
kind of married in 2001
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when I met Leslie Kean.
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Uh, I think it's time to open
the books on the question of,
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of government
investigations of, of UFOs.
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It's time to find
out what, what the truth
really is that's out there.
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I think there has been fear
that if the government ever
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tipped their hand to say,
"Well, we have some phenomena
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and we don't know what it is,"
the public would just freak out.
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(laughs).
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And, I think quite the contrary,
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I think the, the
public can handle the truth.
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KEAN: I was wondering if you'd
like to see a photograph...
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I would go to these
countries and then I,
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I put together information about
how these agencies worked into
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a dossier and I
gave it to John Podesta.
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You know, until the
United States government joins
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and has their
own official agency,
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like the French,
like the British,
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like the people in Chile,
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people in Peru, it kind of
holds back the whole world.
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In that dossier were
two letters to John Podesta,
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specifically to him,
one written by the head of
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the Chilean government
agency studying UFOs and
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one written by the
head of the French agency
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explaining why they
thought that it was
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absolutely crucial that the
United States be involved if
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we're gonna make
any progress with this.
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PODESTA: I think it's important
for investigative journalists
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like Leslie Kean to
keep pressing for answers.
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So, I put my
credibility on the line.
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And I supported her efforts to
open this space for politicians
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to say, "It may be a
question of national security.
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It is a question
of aviation safety."
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KEAN: It seemed like what we
really needed was some kind of
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major UFO event, a
major case with lots of data,
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with great witnesses, that
would galvanize the country,
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that would be in the media,
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and that would force
government involvement.
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HAINES: November 7th, 2006.
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Something happened
over O'Hare Airport.
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An event that once again,
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suggests a problem
with aviation safety.
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This time over one of the
country's busiest airports.
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POWELL: You had workers
on the tarmac and the pilots.
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And these guys look
up at around 1,000 feet,
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they see a disk shaped
object above them.
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REPORTER (over TV): And
you don't believe this was
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possibly your imagination?
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JOE (over TV): It was
definitely not my imagination.
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REPORTER (over TV): Joe was a
mechanic for United Airlines.
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While taxiing a
jumbo jet to the hangar,
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he and another mechanic...
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JOE (over TV): Noticed an
object up in the sky sitting
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above the terminal complex.
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POWELL: It had a metallic
grayish appearance to it.
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It appeared to be
30 to 40 feet in diameter.
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It's not moving at all.
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I mean there's no motion.
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And this goes on for a
few minutes until suddenly
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the object just
goes straight up.
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And in doing so, burns a
hole through the clouds.
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HILKEVITCH: My name
is John Hilkevitch.
477
00:25:52,676 --> 00:25:54,676
I was a transportation
reporter at Chicago Tribune
478
00:25:54,678 --> 00:25:56,888
for roughly 18 years.
479
00:25:56,889 --> 00:25:58,809
A few days after
the alleged sighting,
480
00:25:58,807 --> 00:26:00,977
I got a phone call
from an official with
481
00:26:00,976 --> 00:26:03,556
the National UFO
Reporting Center.
482
00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:06,572
And I think he assumed that
I had heard about this and
483
00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:09,145
he wanted to know was
I working on a story?
484
00:26:09,151 --> 00:26:11,781
I cover transportation, uh.
485
00:26:11,779 --> 00:26:14,699
UFO was not part
of the beat at all.
486
00:26:14,698 --> 00:26:17,868
So, you know, I had my
healthy reporter's skepticism
487
00:26:17,868 --> 00:26:20,658
about this, but this
is highly restricted airspace.
488
00:26:20,662 --> 00:26:23,042
You don't want something up
there that doesn't belong there.
489
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,710
So, I took that
information and contacted
490
00:26:25,709 --> 00:26:28,299
the FAA and United Airlines and
491
00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:32,085
they both denied any knowledge
of this alleged sighting.
492
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:34,010
They were sort of
amused by it, like,
493
00:26:34,009 --> 00:26:35,509
"Are you okay, John?"
494
00:26:35,511 --> 00:26:37,641
You know, "You're, you're
asking these weird questions."
495
00:26:38,388 --> 00:26:41,018
I spent the next couple of weeks
interviewing as many people as
496
00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:43,516
I could about the sighting.
497
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,399
These were all trained
aviation professionals.
498
00:26:46,396 --> 00:26:48,516
Pilots who were
taxiing on the ground,
499
00:26:48,524 --> 00:26:50,734
ramp workers who were
pushing back planes.
500
00:26:50,734 --> 00:26:54,364
Given the pushback from the FAA,
I submitted a FOIA request for
501
00:26:54,363 --> 00:26:57,833
the logs at O'Hare tower
for that day, November 7th.
502
00:27:09,837 --> 00:27:11,667
HILKEVITCH: When I
heard the recordings,
503
00:27:11,672 --> 00:27:14,092
it was clear that
this alleged sighting
was logged in O'Hare tower,
504
00:27:14,091 --> 00:27:16,431
that United Airlines
was told about this
505
00:27:16,426 --> 00:27:18,506
by numerous employees.
506
00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:21,392
There was just an abundance
of radio chatter between
507
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:24,690
O'Hare tower and various
people on the airfield.
508
00:27:38,782 --> 00:27:41,662
HILKEVITCH: United, uh,
despite their, uh, insistence to
509
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,620
me that they had no
knowledge of this and
510
00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:45,960
they took no action
was first to backtrack,
511
00:27:45,956 --> 00:27:48,416
to say that, "Yes, they
had received reports of this."
512
00:27:48,417 --> 00:27:51,417
And then the FAA said
that upon further review,
513
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:54,970
"Yes, they had
received calls saying
that something was up there."
514
00:27:54,965 --> 00:27:56,835
RICKI: Is it
standard that the FAA,
515
00:27:56,842 --> 00:27:58,262
if you ask them a
straightforward question,
516
00:27:58,260 --> 00:28:00,350
would lie essentially?
517
00:28:00,345 --> 00:28:01,555
HILKEVITCH: Well,
I mean, there was,
518
00:28:01,555 --> 00:28:02,885
there's nothing
standard about this story.
519
00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:04,350
(laughs).
520
00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:07,484
This story ran on page one
of the Chicago Tribune on
521
00:28:07,477 --> 00:28:09,437
January 1st, 2007.
522
00:28:09,438 --> 00:28:12,188
And the reaction to
it was unbelievable.
523
00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:14,150
REPORTER (over TV): John,
the response has been, well,
524
00:28:14,151 --> 00:28:16,321
out of this world, hasn't it?
525
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,610
HILKEVITCH (over TV): I mean,
just the last two days,
526
00:28:17,613 --> 00:28:19,163
this is my email.
527
00:28:19,156 --> 00:28:20,816
REPORTER 2 (over TV):
Several pilots apparently at
528
00:28:20,824 --> 00:28:24,584
Chicago's O'Hare
swear they saw one.
529
00:28:24,578 --> 00:28:26,118
A UFO!
530
00:28:26,121 --> 00:28:27,541
JOE (over TV): And it looked
like literally someone had
531
00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:29,419
poked a hole in the clouds.
532
00:28:29,416 --> 00:28:32,626
KEAN: It got more hits on the
Chicago Tribune website than
533
00:28:32,628 --> 00:28:36,008
any story they had
ever written in the past.
534
00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:39,802
But there was still a very
strong taboo against this so
535
00:28:39,801 --> 00:28:42,761
there were some skeptics that
were called on these various
536
00:28:42,763 --> 00:28:44,223
shows who kind of debunked it.
537
00:28:44,222 --> 00:28:45,722
OLBERMAN (over TV): We
turn to the chief astronomer
538
00:28:45,724 --> 00:28:46,774
for the Franklin Institute,
539
00:28:46,767 --> 00:28:48,017
Derrick Pitts.
540
00:28:48,018 --> 00:28:49,188
Derrick, thanks for
being with us again.
541
00:28:49,186 --> 00:28:51,356
PITTS (over TV):
My pleasure, Keith.
542
00:28:51,355 --> 00:28:52,805
OLBERMAN (over TV):
All right, let's start with
the UFO sighting at O'Hare.
543
00:28:52,814 --> 00:28:55,154
When it's pilots sayingG
this do we have to listen?
544
00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:56,740
And then what is it
they could have seen but
545
00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,645
not been able to identify?
546
00:28:58,654 --> 00:29:00,324
PITTS (over TV):
Well, that's a really
difficult question to answer
547
00:29:00,322 --> 00:29:03,162
because there are all kinds
of sky phenomena that could
548
00:29:03,158 --> 00:29:05,118
have manifested themselves.
549
00:29:05,118 --> 00:29:08,828
But that doesn't necessarily
mean they are alien spacecraft.
550
00:29:10,540 --> 00:29:15,000
PITTS: I was intrigued that
so many people had seen this.
551
00:29:15,003 --> 00:29:17,713
But we can't just suggest
that here's a spacecraft from
552
00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:20,224
another planet that
defies the laws of physics.
553
00:29:20,217 --> 00:29:24,347
So, for me, I go to those things
that seem much more likely,
554
00:29:24,346 --> 00:29:27,216
much more reasonable,
much more possible.
555
00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:30,265
KEAN: When I read the
Chicago Tribune's story,
556
00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:32,938
I was really shocked by
the FAA efforts to try and
557
00:29:32,938 --> 00:29:34,768
explain this away.
558
00:29:35,273 --> 00:29:37,783
First of all, they
said it was airport lights
559
00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:39,776
reflecting off the clouds.
560
00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:42,358
And it turned out that the
airport lights had not even been
561
00:29:42,364 --> 00:29:44,744
turned on yet when
the event occurred.
562
00:29:44,741 --> 00:29:46,541
So, that
explanation didn't work.
563
00:29:46,535 --> 00:29:48,405
REPORTER (over TV): The FAA
adds that the sighting may have
564
00:29:48,412 --> 00:29:50,162
been caused by a
weather phenomenon.
565
00:29:50,163 --> 00:29:52,213
KEAN: The next explanation
they provided was that
566
00:29:52,207 --> 00:29:53,957
it was a weather phenomenon.
567
00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:57,049
I knew what that probably
meant was this phenomenon called
568
00:29:57,045 --> 00:29:58,915
a hole punch cloud.
569
00:29:58,922 --> 00:30:01,632
It's very rare, where
ice crystals fall from
570
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:03,763
one cloud above
to a lower cloud and
571
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,220
they melt a hole in the cloud.
572
00:30:07,597 --> 00:30:10,267
I called a bunch
of cloud experts,
573
00:30:10,267 --> 00:30:13,227
asked what the conditions
were that would be required
574
00:30:13,228 --> 00:30:15,518
for a hole punch cloud to form.
575
00:30:15,522 --> 00:30:18,732
I learned that the temperature
would have to be below freezing,
576
00:30:18,734 --> 00:30:21,074
which it was not at
that day at O'Hare.
577
00:30:21,069 --> 00:30:23,199
It was around 50 degrees.
578
00:30:23,196 --> 00:30:26,316
So, I was able to
completely dispatch
579
00:30:26,324 --> 00:30:29,914
the FAA's explanation
of a weather phenomenon.
580
00:30:31,038 --> 00:30:33,038
For the FAA and the government,
581
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,380
it's just 'come up with
something' to make it go away.
582
00:30:36,376 --> 00:30:37,956
No matter how ludicrous it is.
583
00:30:37,961 --> 00:30:40,461
No matter how inaccurate it is.
584
00:30:40,464 --> 00:30:43,054
This was an
aviation safety hazard.
585
00:30:43,050 --> 00:30:45,390
This thing was
floating over an airport.
586
00:30:45,385 --> 00:30:48,885
It made me feel inspired
to really want to do more.
587
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:51,269
Because this just
can't keep going like this.
588
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:58,233
♪ ♪
589
00:30:58,231 --> 00:31:00,941
FOX: In 2006, we had that
very compelling case that
590
00:31:00,942 --> 00:31:03,152
happened at O'Hare Airport.
591
00:31:03,153 --> 00:31:05,073
That got a lot
of media coverage.
592
00:31:05,072 --> 00:31:07,372
We were coming up on the
ten-year anniversary for
593
00:31:07,365 --> 00:31:09,025
the Phoenix Lights case.
594
00:31:09,034 --> 00:31:11,044
That was getting
a lot of coverage.
595
00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:13,616
And there seemed to be a
whole new wave of interest in
596
00:31:13,622 --> 00:31:15,962
the media on the phenomenon.
597
00:31:15,957 --> 00:31:18,667
And I decided to kind of
strike while the iron was hot.
598
00:31:18,668 --> 00:31:20,628
Ever since the
Phoenix Lights case,
599
00:31:20,629 --> 00:31:23,379
I was meeting with the witnesses
and I heard their frustration
600
00:31:23,381 --> 00:31:25,721
with how the governor
treated their testimony,
601
00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:28,387
by making a
mockery and ridiculing...
602
00:31:30,263 --> 00:31:34,233
So, in 2006, I managed to
get a hold of Fife Symington,
603
00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:36,806
who was no longer
governor of Arizona.
604
00:31:36,812 --> 00:31:38,362
He responded immediately and
605
00:31:38,355 --> 00:31:40,685
accepted my
invitation for an interview.
606
00:31:40,690 --> 00:31:44,740
And, it ended up
being one of those aha
moments for me as a reporter.
607
00:31:44,736 --> 00:31:47,736
PRODUCER: If you had
to do it over again would
608
00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:49,739
you have done it
any differently?
609
00:31:49,741 --> 00:31:53,451
SYMINGTON: Ah, y'know, I think
it was a legitimate, uh, uh,
610
00:31:53,453 --> 00:31:56,163
occurrence of unknown origin,
611
00:31:56,164 --> 00:31:59,084
probably one of the major
sightings in, you know,
612
00:31:59,084 --> 00:32:00,504
in modern history
in the country.
613
00:32:00,502 --> 00:32:02,302
'Cause a lot of people
saw it in Maricopa County,
614
00:32:02,295 --> 00:32:04,795
and I saw it too. So, I...
615
00:32:04,798 --> 00:32:06,378
FOX: "And I saw it too."
616
00:32:06,383 --> 00:32:08,553
(laughs).
617
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:11,600
Did I just hear that straight?
618
00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:13,216
Did the former
governor of Arizona,
619
00:32:13,223 --> 00:32:16,183
who made fun of one of the
most significant modern day
620
00:32:16,184 --> 00:32:20,274
mass sightings, just admit
that he too was a witness?
621
00:32:20,272 --> 00:32:22,442
SYMINGTON: At least
I have the opportunity
now to correct the record.
622
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,900
And that's important.
623
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:26,570
FOX: I knew I had
captured lightning in a bottle.
624
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:28,450
I really knew this
was going to be big.
625
00:32:28,446 --> 00:32:31,196
So, I reached out to
Leslie Kean and I said,
626
00:32:31,199 --> 00:32:32,829
"Hey, you're not
going to believe this."
627
00:32:32,826 --> 00:32:34,366
KEAN: I could not believe it.
628
00:32:34,369 --> 00:32:37,039
And my immediate response was,
"I wanna break this story!"
629
00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:38,998
(laughs).
630
00:32:38,999 --> 00:32:40,959
FOX: Leslie helped
get that story out,
631
00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:43,129
and we got a lot
of news coverage.
632
00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:44,588
SYMINGTON: If you'd
been here ten years ago,
633
00:32:44,588 --> 00:32:46,968
standing out here and
looking up there up the, um,
634
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:50,215
at the lights and the view, um,
you would have been astounded.
635
00:32:50,218 --> 00:32:51,548
You would have been amazed.
636
00:32:51,553 --> 00:32:55,433
And I suspect that,
uh, unless, uh, uh,
637
00:32:55,432 --> 00:32:57,182
the Defense Department
proves us otherwise that
638
00:32:57,184 --> 00:33:00,814
it was probably, uh, some
form of an alien spacecraft.
639
00:33:01,605 --> 00:33:03,435
KEAN: There was momentum
that started to build.
640
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,860
And it was sort of a
catalyst for us to feel,
641
00:33:05,859 --> 00:33:09,319
"Look at what's going on,
let's do something really big
642
00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,411
that will draw
attention to this."
643
00:33:12,115 --> 00:33:15,865
I joined forces with James Fox
and we decided to bring together
644
00:33:15,869 --> 00:33:19,119
a panel of the very most
credible witnesses from all over
645
00:33:19,122 --> 00:33:21,712
the world, to a
major event in Washington,
646
00:33:21,708 --> 00:33:24,958
which would draw a new level
of attention to incidences
647
00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:27,261
like the O'Hare event.
648
00:33:27,255 --> 00:33:30,255
FOX: We had
scientists, generals, pilots
649
00:33:30,258 --> 00:33:34,048
both military and civilian,
from multiple countries.
650
00:33:34,054 --> 00:33:36,604
KEAN: Among them
was Parviz Jafari,
651
00:33:36,598 --> 00:33:39,428
the Iranian pilot who had
tried to shoot down a UFO,
652
00:33:39,434 --> 00:33:43,404
John Callahan from the
Japan Airlines case...
653
00:33:43,396 --> 00:33:45,316
FOX: And the
moderator of the event
654
00:33:45,315 --> 00:33:49,525
was former governor of,
of Arizona, Fife Symington.
655
00:33:49,527 --> 00:33:51,777
KEAN: He recognized that
if there had been an agency
656
00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:54,870
in place when this
event happened in 1997,
657
00:33:54,866 --> 00:33:56,616
everything would
have been different.
658
00:33:56,618 --> 00:33:58,868
FOX: Leslie and I had wanted
to see if we could set up
659
00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:02,170
a new government agency, a
modern day Project Blue Book.
660
00:34:04,626 --> 00:34:06,126
SYMINGTON: I'd like to welcome
you all, uh, here today.
661
00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:09,207
And I don't think there's
ever been a more high-level
662
00:34:09,214 --> 00:34:11,014
or distinguished, uh, group.
663
00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:13,297
KEAN: This event was the
culmination of all the work
664
00:34:13,301 --> 00:34:16,391
I had done previously to
bring everybody together
665
00:34:16,388 --> 00:34:18,348
in one room like that.
666
00:34:18,348 --> 00:34:20,848
DUBOC: Ladies and
gentlemen, good morning.
667
00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:23,556
My name is Jean-Charles Duboc.
668
00:34:23,561 --> 00:34:25,981
I am a retired
Air France captain.
669
00:34:27,274 --> 00:34:30,994
BRAVO: I am
Rodrigo Bravo Captain
and pilot of Chilean Army.
670
00:34:30,986 --> 00:34:33,356
CALLAHAN: What I'm to tell you,
671
00:34:33,363 --> 00:34:36,323
is about an event
that never happened.
672
00:34:36,992 --> 00:34:39,952
KEAN: The power of this was
that you had all these people
673
00:34:39,953 --> 00:34:44,213
in one room telling their
stories one after the other.
674
00:34:46,334 --> 00:34:49,004
MARIA: Ladies and gentlemen,
I'm Oscar Santa Maria Huerta,
675
00:34:49,004 --> 00:34:51,014
official pilot of
the Peruvian Air Force,
676
00:34:51,006 --> 00:34:52,626
currently retired.
677
00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:55,342
KEAN: Oscar Santa Maria
encountered a UFO over
678
00:34:55,343 --> 00:34:57,393
an air base in Peru.
679
00:34:57,387 --> 00:35:00,267
And he was instructed to
go up and shoot it down.
680
00:35:01,474 --> 00:35:03,354
MARIA: My unit commander
ordered me to take off in
681
00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:07,021
my Sukhoi-22 jet to shoot
down this spherical object.
682
00:35:07,022 --> 00:35:09,572
FOX: He said he
unleashed all of his firepower,
683
00:35:09,566 --> 00:35:13,946
direct target hit, and it
just absorbed his bullets.
684
00:35:13,945 --> 00:35:16,735
MARIA: The cone-shaped wall
of fire that I sent out would
685
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:19,450
normally obliterate
anything in its path.
686
00:35:21,077 --> 00:35:23,157
KEAN: We also had Parviz Jafari,
687
00:35:23,163 --> 00:35:25,043
who talked about
what happened to him.
688
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,920
JAFARI: I tried to launch
a heat-seeker missile to it,
689
00:35:28,918 --> 00:35:32,418
but my missile panel went out.
690
00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:36,011
KEAN: The momentum
just kept building and
building and building.
691
00:35:36,009 --> 00:35:40,309
DE BROUWER: Hundreds of people
saw a majestic triangle craft.
692
00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:41,885
HALT: I have no idea
what we saw that night,
693
00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:44,180
but I do know with
great certainty it was
694
00:35:44,184 --> 00:35:46,144
under intelligent control.
695
00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:50,573
FOX: There's something
very pragmatic about pilots,
696
00:35:50,565 --> 00:35:52,975
particularly military pilots.
697
00:35:52,984 --> 00:35:55,574
When you hear enough of those
cases from around the world,
698
00:35:55,570 --> 00:35:58,820
I felt like the
government had to pay attention.
699
00:36:01,451 --> 00:36:06,081
♪ ♪
700
00:36:06,081 --> 00:36:08,081
SYMINGTON: We want the
United States government to
701
00:36:08,083 --> 00:36:12,673
stop perpetuating the myth that
all UFOs can be explained away
702
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:15,760
in down-to-earth
and conventional terms.
703
00:36:15,757 --> 00:36:18,637
Instead, our
country needs to reopen its
704
00:36:18,635 --> 00:36:22,465
official investigation
that it shut down in 1969.
705
00:36:22,472 --> 00:36:26,102
KEAN: We made the appeal
at that press conference for
706
00:36:26,101 --> 00:36:28,191
a government
agency to be set up.
707
00:36:28,186 --> 00:36:29,396
CALLAHAN: Do I look all right?
708
00:36:29,396 --> 00:36:30,766
Because my wife will
yell at me if I don't.
709
00:36:30,772 --> 00:36:32,482
(laughter).
710
00:36:32,482 --> 00:36:34,572
SYMINGTON: When it comes
to events of this nature,
711
00:36:34,567 --> 00:36:38,277
dealing with the
great unknown, we deserve,
712
00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:43,199
I believe, more openness
and a serious pursuit of
713
00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:45,501
the facts by our government.
714
00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:46,865
Thank you very much.
715
00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:50,961
(applause).
716
00:36:51,793 --> 00:36:55,133
FOX: That press conference
was a moment for all of us,
717
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:58,430
all of us who had been in the
trenches for all those decades.
718
00:36:58,425 --> 00:36:59,965
It was a really
satisfying moment.
719
00:36:59,968 --> 00:37:03,468
And we got some very
mainstream coverage.
720
00:37:04,931 --> 00:37:06,811
BLITZER (over TV): A group
gathering here in Washington to
721
00:37:06,808 --> 00:37:08,728
talk about their UFO sightings,
722
00:37:08,726 --> 00:37:11,266
but this apparently is
no crackpot convention.
723
00:37:11,271 --> 00:37:14,021
Former high level government
and military officials are amon
724
00:37:14,023 --> 00:37:17,613
those sharing what
they've seen in the skies.
725
00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:21,990
KEAN: The press conference felt
like a moment of huge success.
726
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:23,580
But I had this fantasy,
727
00:37:23,575 --> 00:37:25,535
"Well, maybe this will lead to
some kind of hearings on this."
728
00:37:25,535 --> 00:37:26,905
Nothing.
729
00:37:26,911 --> 00:37:29,501
Nobody in the
government batted an eyelash.
730
00:37:29,497 --> 00:37:31,747
It didn't accomplish
what we'd hoped for,
731
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:35,130
which was to get our
government engaging with it.
732
00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:39,922
I thought that the
five minute presentations
733
00:37:39,924 --> 00:37:42,644
that these witnesses made
simply weren't long enough to
734
00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:45,635
really get across
what happened to them.
735
00:37:45,638 --> 00:37:49,058
So I was inspired to
bring these people into a book.
736
00:37:50,143 --> 00:37:53,443
And they reported on
their cases in their own words.
737
00:37:53,438 --> 00:37:55,148
They wrote their own chapters.
738
00:37:55,148 --> 00:37:57,608
I don't think all people at that
level had ever come together
739
00:37:57,609 --> 00:37:59,649
under one umbrella before.
740
00:37:59,652 --> 00:38:01,612
And it had a lot
of authority to it,
741
00:38:01,613 --> 00:38:03,453
not because of me,
but because of the people
742
00:38:03,448 --> 00:38:05,328
I brought to the book.
743
00:38:05,325 --> 00:38:08,405
When it became a
New York Times bestseller,
744
00:38:08,411 --> 00:38:11,791
I think it brought heightened
credibility to the topic.
745
00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:13,330
REPORTER (over TV):
Our next guest calling for
746
00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:16,463
a formal investigation of
unidentified flying objects,
747
00:38:16,461 --> 00:38:17,961
Leslie Kean...
748
00:38:17,962 --> 00:38:19,382
REPORTER 2 (over TV): And
here to talk about UFO's,
749
00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:20,760
Leslie Kean.
750
00:38:20,757 --> 00:38:23,217
COLBERT: Please
welcome Leslie Kean!
751
00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:24,218
Real generals?
752
00:38:24,219 --> 00:38:25,549
KEAN: Real Generals.
753
00:38:25,553 --> 00:38:26,683
COLBERT: Or, like
Captain Crunch? Like, real...
754
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,139
KEAN: Real...
COLBERT: Real...
755
00:38:28,139 --> 00:38:29,639
KEAN: Honest to
goodness generals.
756
00:38:29,641 --> 00:38:31,941
COLBERT: What generals think
that there are aliens out there?
757
00:38:31,935 --> 00:38:33,475
KEAN: They don't
think there are aliens,
758
00:38:33,478 --> 00:38:35,608
and that's one of the points
they all make in this book is
759
00:38:35,605 --> 00:38:37,395
we don't know what they are.
760
00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:38,478
COLBERT: All right.
KEAN: Thank you.
761
00:38:38,483 --> 00:38:39,783
COLBERT: Thank you so much.
762
00:38:39,776 --> 00:38:41,816
Leslie Kean!
763
00:38:43,071 --> 00:38:46,411
PITTS: When I first read
Leslie Kean's book I thought
764
00:38:46,407 --> 00:38:50,367
her investigation of
this was exactly the kind of
765
00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:54,040
real science investigation that
we should be thinking about
766
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,290
starting around
unidentified flying objects.
767
00:38:58,002 --> 00:39:01,302
In fact, I had Leslie as a guest
here at The Franklin Institute,
768
00:39:01,297 --> 00:39:04,177
to give a
presentation about her book.
769
00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:09,222
We're about real science,
we are not about speculation,
770
00:39:09,222 --> 00:39:13,022
and I felt that the work that
Leslie demonstrated in her book
771
00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:15,937
was a responsible
way to go about this.
772
00:39:16,479 --> 00:39:18,769
PODESTA: I wrote the
forward to her book,
773
00:39:18,773 --> 00:39:22,033
which at the time people
thought was just something to go
774
00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:25,776
on the shelf with the
other UFOlogies, uh...
775
00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:28,200
But, uh,
was really, I think, uh,
776
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:32,159
a serious effort to try to
document what pilots had seen,
777
00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:35,711
what other military senior
leaders had documented.
778
00:39:36,457 --> 00:39:40,337
KEAN: The success of
the book brought so much
credibility to this topic,
779
00:39:40,336 --> 00:39:44,626
and it drew people into my life
that hadn't been there before,
780
00:39:44,632 --> 00:39:47,932
insiders who had been involved
with this thing for a long time,
781
00:39:47,927 --> 00:39:50,597
some of them with
security clearances.
782
00:39:50,597 --> 00:39:52,807
And they trusted me.
783
00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:55,937
That's what led to my
being invited to a meeting,
784
00:39:55,935 --> 00:40:00,895
years later, where I was handed
the biggest scoop of my career.
785
00:40:03,151 --> 00:40:04,571
REPORTER (over TV): Leslie Kean
786
00:40:04,569 --> 00:40:06,609
one of the investigative
reporters who broke this story.
787
00:40:06,613 --> 00:40:08,623
This report is stunning.
788
00:40:08,615 --> 00:40:10,195
REPORTER 2 (over TV):
The New York Times breaking
789
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:11,739
the news that the Pentagon
has been secretly researching
790
00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:14,913
the existence of UFOs.
791
00:40:14,912 --> 00:40:16,792
Apparently, the
Department of Defense launched
792
00:40:16,789 --> 00:40:19,249
the program in 2007.
793
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:23,250
KEAN: 2007, the same year that
we gave our press conference.
794
00:40:23,254 --> 00:40:26,674
It just so happened that
this Government program was
795
00:40:26,674 --> 00:40:28,474
already being set up.
796
00:40:28,468 --> 00:40:30,348
We didn't know
about that at the time,
797
00:40:30,345 --> 00:40:32,755
of course, but it
was actually happening.
798
00:40:33,598 --> 00:40:35,638
FOX: The article
was a huge moment,
799
00:40:35,642 --> 00:40:37,192
a moment I'll never forget.
800
00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:40,975
I had friends and family from
all around the world going,
801
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:42,070
(gasps)
802
00:40:42,065 --> 00:40:44,605
"Oh my God,
maybe you we're right.
803
00:40:44,609 --> 00:40:47,649
Maybe you, maybe you're not
as crazy as I thought you were."
804
00:40:47,654 --> 00:40:48,824
You know?
805
00:40:48,821 --> 00:40:50,371
It was, it was a good feeling.
806
00:40:50,365 --> 00:40:52,735
I was really proud of Leslie
because the rest of the world
807
00:40:52,742 --> 00:40:54,582
was paying attention.
808
00:40:54,577 --> 00:40:57,657
That maybe, maybe there is
really something going on here.
809
00:40:58,915 --> 00:41:01,075
KEAN: That article was
really just the beginning.
810
00:41:01,084 --> 00:41:04,964
It opened the door to all these
questions that arose after that
811
00:41:04,962 --> 00:41:08,882
about what this program
actually had learned about UFOs.
812
00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:12,053
Is it going to release
information to the public?
813
00:41:12,053 --> 00:41:14,473
All these questions that
people wanna know about UFOs.
814
00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:17,602
Well, if there's a program,
what do they know?
815
00:41:18,351 --> 00:41:21,401
Imagine just how wonderful
it would be to have those
816
00:41:21,396 --> 00:41:24,106
questions asked on
behalf of the American people.
817
00:41:24,107 --> 00:41:27,607
CARSON: Today we will bring that
organization out of the shadows.
818
00:41:31,364 --> 00:41:33,704
I think for, for far
too long people have said,
819
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:36,830
"Oh, the public isn't ready
to know about these things,
820
00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:38,498
but I think the public is ready,
821
00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:40,366
now more than ever."
822
00:41:41,249 --> 00:41:43,629
GRAVES: We were seeing
things off the coast every day.
823
00:41:43,626 --> 00:41:45,546
MAN: The pilots know
what they are seeing.
824
00:41:45,545 --> 00:41:47,045
They are not crazy.
825
00:41:47,046 --> 00:41:48,256
NOLAN: You just have to realize
826
00:41:48,256 --> 00:41:49,666
that it's using a kind of
827
00:41:49,674 --> 00:41:50,684
technology that we
828
00:41:50,675 --> 00:41:51,715
don't understand.
829
00:41:51,718 --> 00:41:53,088
LOEB: One of these
objects happen
830
00:41:53,094 --> 00:41:55,054
to be from another civilization.
831
00:41:55,054 --> 00:41:56,394
That would change
832
00:41:56,389 --> 00:41:57,889
the future of humanity.
833
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:58,930
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