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Allen Hynek. 7 00:00:22,773 --> 00:00:25,733 RODEGHIER: J Allen Hynek came into the UFO field with the 8 00:00:25,734 --> 00:00:27,494 typical scientific attitude, 9 00:00:27,486 --> 00:00:29,486 which is, they shouldn't be studied, 10 00:00:29,488 --> 00:00:31,738 there's nothing to them. 11 00:00:31,740 --> 00:00:34,410 O'CONNELL: Ultimately that changed, and 12 00:00:34,409 --> 00:00:37,619 that's sort of the core of the J Allen Hynek story. 13 00:00:37,621 --> 00:00:39,711 HOST (over TV): I, J. Allen Hynek, 14 00:00:39,706 --> 00:00:42,076 am a consultant to the United States Air Force 15 00:00:42,084 --> 00:00:44,844 on unidentified flying objects. 16 00:00:45,128 --> 00:00:47,918 KEAN: Like so many other key figures of that era, 17 00:00:47,923 --> 00:00:51,093 Hynek had to push against the government that he once 18 00:00:51,093 --> 00:00:54,723 worked for and stand up for the truth. 19 00:00:54,721 --> 00:00:56,681 HOST (over TV): I am also a professor of astronomy and 20 00:00:56,682 --> 00:00:59,392 director of a large university observatory. 21 00:00:59,393 --> 00:01:02,773 KEAN: Hynek believed that science was the tool. 22 00:01:02,771 --> 00:01:06,731 Science could get us to an understanding of what UFOs are. 23 00:01:06,733 --> 00:01:09,783 And that's what he advocated for. 24 00:01:09,778 --> 00:01:12,158 O'CONNELL: There are a lot of people who don't always 25 00:01:12,155 --> 00:01:15,195 understand his rationale for the things he did or the 26 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:20,210 things he said, but Hynek's impact today, I think, 27 00:01:20,205 --> 00:01:21,915 is immeasurable. 28 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:23,915 MAN (over TV): Only one of these men is the real 29 00:01:23,917 --> 00:01:25,497 J. Allen Hynek. 30 00:01:25,502 --> 00:01:28,882 The other two are imposters and will try to fool this panel 31 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,840 On To Tell The Truth! 32 00:01:35,429 --> 00:01:37,349 HYNEK: We get reports every night. 33 00:01:37,347 --> 00:01:38,597 MAN: I don't know what the hell it is. 34 00:01:38,598 --> 00:01:40,808 MAN 2: A rotating light around it... 35 00:01:40,809 --> 00:01:43,019 MAN 3: I'd like to report a UFO. 36 00:01:43,020 --> 00:01:46,690 (theme music plays) 37 00:01:49,109 --> 00:01:52,109 RODEGHIER: The US government closed its formal study of UFOs, 38 00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:55,322 Project Blue Book, in late 1969. 39 00:01:55,699 --> 00:01:59,489 And the government as a whole, says we're not interested in 40 00:01:59,494 --> 00:02:01,044 UFO reports. 41 00:02:01,038 --> 00:02:03,708 POWELL: The Air Force made the decision: let's get out of 42 00:02:03,707 --> 00:02:07,377 this business of investigating UFOs. 43 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:11,509 Our business is national security, we see no threat. 44 00:02:11,506 --> 00:02:14,426 Let's stop Project Blue Book. 45 00:02:16,303 --> 00:02:18,933 KEAN: J. Allen Hynek who was the scientist who worked for 46 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:21,430 Project Blue Book for almost 20 years, 47 00:02:21,433 --> 00:02:25,853 actually came through that with the opposite perspective, 48 00:02:25,854 --> 00:02:29,404 which was that UFOs were something serious and 49 00:02:29,399 --> 00:02:31,689 they should be investigated. 50 00:02:31,693 --> 00:02:35,453 HYNEK: In my association with Project Blue Book, I know and 51 00:02:35,447 --> 00:02:38,407 I know very well that it was not a scientific project. 52 00:02:38,408 --> 00:02:42,198 I also know that they never, never would notify the media 53 00:02:42,204 --> 00:02:44,254 when an interesting case came up. 54 00:02:44,247 --> 00:02:47,537 They did everything they could to keep it down, 55 00:02:47,542 --> 00:02:50,592 so they definitely withheld information. 56 00:02:50,587 --> 00:02:54,927 RODEGHIER: Dr. Hynek realized that this was a serious problem, 57 00:02:54,925 --> 00:02:57,795 UFO reports could not all be explained, and that 58 00:02:57,803 --> 00:03:01,143 the military should be taking this more seriously. 59 00:03:01,139 --> 00:03:04,139 KEAN: We now know that there were UFO cases during this 60 00:03:04,142 --> 00:03:08,442 time that did seem to have national security implications. 61 00:03:24,538 --> 00:03:27,498 ELIZONDO: I think the public would be shocked to realize 62 00:03:27,499 --> 00:03:31,459 that there were incidents going back even into the '60s, 63 00:03:31,461 --> 00:03:36,471 where our nuclear missile silos were being interfered with. 64 00:03:37,259 --> 00:03:40,759 MELLON: Production facilities, weapons facilities. 65 00:03:41,346 --> 00:03:44,176 We've had incidents over numerous ICBM bases. 66 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,980 KEAN: During the Cold War, 67 00:03:47,978 --> 00:03:51,858 intercontinental ballistic missiles, called ICBMs, 68 00:03:51,857 --> 00:03:53,437 were strategically located 69 00:03:53,442 --> 00:03:55,992 throughout northern parts of the United States, 70 00:03:55,986 --> 00:03:59,356 where they were within striking distance of the Soviet Union. 71 00:04:00,490 --> 00:04:03,080 There were almost identical UFO events at two of the 72 00:04:03,076 --> 00:04:06,406 Minuteman ICBM locations: 73 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:10,133 at Minot Air Force base in North Dakota in 1966, 74 00:04:10,125 --> 00:04:15,375 and at Malmstrom Air Force base in Montana in 1967. 75 00:04:16,214 --> 00:04:17,724 SALAS: My name is Robert Salas. 76 00:04:17,716 --> 00:04:21,136 In 1967, I was a lieutenant in the Air Force, 77 00:04:21,136 --> 00:04:24,006 stationed at Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana. 78 00:04:24,890 --> 00:04:26,310 SCHINDELE: My name is David Schindele. 79 00:04:26,308 --> 00:04:29,188 I'm a retired Air Force captain 80 00:04:29,186 --> 00:04:31,936 at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota. 81 00:04:32,355 --> 00:04:36,645 In 1966, my responsibility was to launch our ten 82 00:04:36,651 --> 00:04:40,161 nuclear tipped missiles upon appropriate and verified order. 83 00:04:41,573 --> 00:04:43,663 JAMISON: My name is Robert Jamison. 84 00:04:43,658 --> 00:04:46,328 I was a first lieutenant in the United States Air Force, 85 00:04:46,328 --> 00:04:48,908 Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana. 86 00:04:48,914 --> 00:04:51,584 One of my jobs was to, if a missile goes off alert 87 00:04:51,583 --> 00:04:54,633 for any reason, is to go out and restart it. 88 00:04:55,420 --> 00:04:58,010 MAN (over film): The Air Force includes missile men. 89 00:04:58,006 --> 00:05:01,176 Here at Malmstrom Air Force Base a strategic missile wing 90 00:05:01,176 --> 00:05:03,596 controls the most modern Minuteman in its 91 00:05:03,595 --> 00:05:05,845 underground silo. 92 00:05:05,847 --> 00:05:09,017 The Air Force specialists on this job, by continuous 93 00:05:09,017 --> 00:05:12,227 readiness to launch their bird, help prevent rather 94 00:05:12,229 --> 00:05:15,519 than start a nuclear war. 95 00:05:16,149 --> 00:05:18,399 SALAS: We had Minuteman 1 missiles and that's an 96 00:05:18,401 --> 00:05:21,401 800-kiloton weapon. 97 00:05:21,404 --> 00:05:24,664 And just for reference the weapons that were dropped on 98 00:05:24,658 --> 00:05:27,788 Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 20 kilotons. 99 00:05:30,205 --> 00:05:33,205 MELLON: That capability is helping to keep the peace. 100 00:05:33,208 --> 00:05:36,628 We have a policy of mutually assured destruction. 101 00:05:36,628 --> 00:05:40,378 It would be suicide for us or our potential adversaries to 102 00:05:40,382 --> 00:05:42,222 launch a nuclear attack. 103 00:05:42,217 --> 00:05:46,757 Unless they could disable that capability in that system. 104 00:05:46,763 --> 00:05:51,433 Then they could conceivably decapitate the United States, 105 00:05:51,434 --> 00:05:54,404 destroy the Capital without fear of a retaliatory response 106 00:05:54,396 --> 00:05:57,726 and change the global balance of power. 107 00:05:59,734 --> 00:06:02,574 SALAS: Our location was 60 feet underground. 108 00:06:02,571 --> 00:06:05,161 SCHINDELE: We were very well protected. 109 00:06:05,156 --> 00:06:09,076 SALAS: It was a concrete steel-reinforced capsule. 110 00:06:09,411 --> 00:06:12,411 SCHINDELE: And this capsule was sitting below what we call 111 00:06:12,414 --> 00:06:15,134 the launch controls facility. 112 00:06:15,125 --> 00:06:17,415 SALAS: We had six security guards topside. 113 00:06:17,419 --> 00:06:20,009 They had the responsibility for making sure 114 00:06:20,005 --> 00:06:22,005 there was nobody trying to break in. 115 00:06:22,007 --> 00:06:23,877 (laughs) 116 00:06:23,884 --> 00:06:27,304 SCHINDELE: I traveled to base to attend a pre-departure crew briefing. 117 00:06:28,346 --> 00:06:31,636 After the briefing, several missile crews came up to me 118 00:06:31,641 --> 00:06:34,891 and said, "Did you hear what happened overnight?" 119 00:06:37,898 --> 00:06:41,188 SALAS: Sometime in the evening hours, I get up a call from 120 00:06:41,192 --> 00:06:43,902 the main guard upstairs. 121 00:06:43,904 --> 00:06:48,334 He tells me that there are strange lights flying over the facility. 122 00:06:49,451 --> 00:06:52,451 They're looking at reddish-orange, glowing, 123 00:06:52,454 --> 00:06:55,504 pulsating light. 124 00:06:55,498 --> 00:06:58,208 It's hovering just above the front gate. 125 00:06:58,209 --> 00:07:00,339 SCHINDELE: And he pointed with his arms, and he says it's 126 00:07:00,337 --> 00:07:04,007 right out there hovering, motionless and without sound. 127 00:07:04,716 --> 00:07:08,296 SALAS: He did think that there was a solid object within the 128 00:07:08,303 --> 00:07:11,353 light, sort of oval-shaped. 129 00:07:11,348 --> 00:07:12,848 I kind of dismissed it. 130 00:07:12,849 --> 00:07:15,689 I even said, "You mean like UFOs?" 131 00:07:15,685 --> 00:07:18,055 and, uh, kind of laughed at him. 132 00:07:18,063 --> 00:07:21,483 And he said, "Well, they're not airplanes, sir." 133 00:07:22,567 --> 00:07:24,567 About five minutes later, he calls back and he is 134 00:07:24,569 --> 00:07:26,779 screaming into the phone now. 135 00:07:26,780 --> 00:07:28,870 He's very frightened. 136 00:07:28,865 --> 00:07:30,325 He's babbling. 137 00:07:30,325 --> 00:07:31,735 He said, he's got all the guards out there with their 138 00:07:31,743 --> 00:07:33,373 weapons drawn. 139 00:07:33,370 --> 00:07:36,120 They wanted orders on what to do. 140 00:07:36,915 --> 00:07:41,535 I told him, "Make sure nothing enters the fenced area." 141 00:07:43,046 --> 00:07:47,376 When I hung up the phone, I thought we were under attack. 142 00:07:47,384 --> 00:07:51,054 By who or what, I had no idea. 143 00:07:52,055 --> 00:07:55,265 And then we get bells and whistles going off 144 00:07:55,266 --> 00:07:57,266 at our control panel. 145 00:07:57,268 --> 00:07:59,938 And, we could see the lights going from green to red, 146 00:07:59,938 --> 00:08:01,518 all across the board. 147 00:08:01,523 --> 00:08:04,533 Meaning the missiles were inoperable now. 148 00:08:05,318 --> 00:08:06,988 MELLON: If the president had given the order to launch the 149 00:08:06,986 --> 00:08:10,156 missiles, we could not have launched them. 150 00:08:13,576 --> 00:08:17,496 ♪ ♪ 151 00:08:17,497 --> 00:08:20,127 SALAS: Losing 10 missiles was a shock. 152 00:08:20,125 --> 00:08:23,625 Except for that instance, I never lost more than 153 00:08:23,628 --> 00:08:25,918 one missile at a time. 154 00:08:26,172 --> 00:08:29,432 MELLON: Somehow, some way, vehicles were able to maneuver 155 00:08:29,426 --> 00:08:34,346 right over those ICBMs and turn them off. 156 00:08:35,223 --> 00:08:36,473 JAMISON: We don't know why they went down, 157 00:08:36,474 --> 00:08:39,024 and still don't know. 158 00:08:39,018 --> 00:08:42,018 There's no other reason I can think of that would cause the 159 00:08:42,021 --> 00:08:45,021 ten to go off alert within seconds. 160 00:08:45,024 --> 00:08:49,074 SCHINDELE: We knew it wasn't an ordinary man-made machine 161 00:08:49,070 --> 00:08:51,490 because we had nothing like that. 162 00:08:51,489 --> 00:08:56,489 SALAS: After the incident, I was required not to speak to 163 00:08:56,494 --> 00:08:59,254 anybody about it. 164 00:08:59,247 --> 00:09:01,457 SCHINDELE: I attempted to question the security guard, 165 00:09:01,458 --> 00:09:06,418 and he said, "sorry, sir, I've been told to keep quiet. 166 00:09:06,671 --> 00:09:09,721 And he was told that as far as you're concerned, 167 00:09:09,716 --> 00:09:12,216 it never happened. 168 00:09:12,218 --> 00:09:14,138 JAMISON: I had to go through a special briefing. 169 00:09:14,137 --> 00:09:17,637 This is where they told me, "You're not supposed to say 170 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,730 ever again that something happened, 171 00:09:21,728 --> 00:09:23,648 because nothing happened." 172 00:09:23,646 --> 00:09:26,106 Of course, the first thing I did when I got home was, 173 00:09:26,107 --> 00:09:27,937 "hey honey, guess what happened." 174 00:09:29,569 --> 00:09:33,869 There was a man from Air Force Office of Special Investigations. 175 00:09:33,865 --> 00:09:37,575 All he wanted me to do was to sign this document stating 176 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:40,577 I would never speak about this again. 177 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:44,250 Once we signed that document, we were released, 178 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:47,130 told to leave, and that was that. 179 00:09:47,462 --> 00:09:52,262 I never spoke about any of this until 1994, 180 00:09:52,258 --> 00:09:55,548 so that was about 27 years later. 181 00:09:58,056 --> 00:10:01,056 KEAN: Three years after the Malmstrom incident in which 182 00:10:01,059 --> 00:10:04,399 ten missiles were shut down, the Air Force released a 183 00:10:04,395 --> 00:10:06,975 "Fact Sheet" to the public, announcing the close of 184 00:10:06,981 --> 00:10:08,571 Project Blue Book. 185 00:10:08,566 --> 00:10:13,106 And it stated that no UFO reported, investigated or 186 00:10:13,112 --> 00:10:17,032 evaluated by the Air Force was ever an indication of a threat 187 00:10:17,033 --> 00:10:19,203 to our national security. 188 00:10:19,202 --> 00:10:21,872 Meaning not even one has represented any kind of 189 00:10:21,871 --> 00:10:24,501 national security threat. 190 00:10:24,499 --> 00:10:27,499 SALAS: That was certainly um... 191 00:10:27,502 --> 00:10:28,552 a lie. 192 00:10:28,545 --> 00:10:30,755 Let's, let's use the right word. 193 00:10:30,755 --> 00:10:34,925 The Air Force knew full well these were UFO-related 194 00:10:34,926 --> 00:10:39,216 incidents and that UFOs were responsible for the 195 00:10:39,222 --> 00:10:42,022 shutdown of these missiles. 196 00:10:42,308 --> 00:10:46,018 KEAN: We found out later, in 1979, that in fact a secret 197 00:10:46,020 --> 00:10:51,320 memo had circulated called the Bolender Memo which stated 198 00:10:51,317 --> 00:10:54,897 that any national security cases could continue to be 199 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:59,334 reported through channels already in place. 200 00:11:01,911 --> 00:11:06,001 And so it was a complete black and white contradiction 201 00:11:05,999 --> 00:11:09,669 between what was being said to the public and what was being 202 00:11:09,669 --> 00:11:12,419 said behind the scenes. 203 00:11:21,222 --> 00:11:22,722 JAMISON: There's something that's in our atmosphere that 204 00:11:22,724 --> 00:11:25,394 we just don't know what it is. 205 00:11:25,393 --> 00:11:29,863 These things seem to be interested in our nuclear capabilities. 206 00:11:29,856 --> 00:11:32,776 And that's something we should be concerned about. 207 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:36,613 SCHINDELE: I kept the secret for 40 years. 208 00:11:36,946 --> 00:11:40,906 It was a long time to have this burden on the back of my shoulders. 209 00:11:40,909 --> 00:11:43,659 I'm normally a quiet personality, and I just 210 00:11:43,661 --> 00:11:46,081 don't want to be in the limelight. 211 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,790 But the public needs to know this. 212 00:11:50,585 --> 00:11:52,995 KEAN: Robert Salas did not speak out about what happened 213 00:11:53,004 --> 00:11:54,554 for many, many years. 214 00:11:54,547 --> 00:11:58,967 And it shows how intimidated these people are to come forward. 215 00:11:59,510 --> 00:12:01,930 Decades will go by and they won't even talk about it. 216 00:12:03,765 --> 00:12:04,965 SCHINDELE: Good morning. 217 00:12:04,974 --> 00:12:07,604 My name is David Schindele. 218 00:12:07,602 --> 00:12:12,862 In 2001 I found an article describing Robert Salas' 219 00:12:12,857 --> 00:12:17,697 incident, and when I saw it I said, oh my God. 220 00:12:17,695 --> 00:12:20,775 The incident that he had was almost identical 221 00:12:20,782 --> 00:12:22,662 to the one I had. 222 00:12:22,659 --> 00:12:27,499 And I experienced a, just a joyful freedom, and 223 00:12:27,497 --> 00:12:31,077 I finally was able to tell my wife my secret. 224 00:12:31,084 --> 00:12:37,094 And so thanks, Robert, for helping me out. 225 00:12:39,217 --> 00:12:42,387 SALAS: After the incident, the guards had called me and 226 00:12:42,387 --> 00:12:45,927 literally begged me to come out and see them because this 227 00:12:45,932 --> 00:12:49,852 was a very traumatic experience for the guards. 228 00:12:49,852 --> 00:12:53,402 But I had just signed a nondisclosure statement, 229 00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:57,738 so I had to tell them on the phone that I could not see them. 230 00:12:58,319 --> 00:13:03,119 So when I talk about this, I do it partly for those airmen 231 00:13:03,116 --> 00:13:07,156 that begged me to come see 'em and I just couldn't do it. 232 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,500 HYNEK: There's a shyness and a reluctance on the part of many 233 00:13:11,499 --> 00:13:15,839 witnesses, and understandably so, against reporting, because 234 00:13:15,837 --> 00:13:19,507 too many have been ridiculed and life has been made 235 00:13:19,507 --> 00:13:21,797 somewhat miserable for them. 236 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:25,471 MELLON: Dr. Hynek grew increasingly disillusioned by 237 00:13:25,471 --> 00:13:28,891 the Air Force's dismissive approach to these sightings 238 00:13:28,891 --> 00:13:32,231 and dismissive approach to the evidence. 239 00:13:32,228 --> 00:13:34,938 RODEGHIER: Hynek gradually realized that this was a 240 00:13:34,939 --> 00:13:37,979 subject that demanded serious study. 241 00:13:38,651 --> 00:13:41,111 O'CONNELL: Back when Hynek was in Project Blue Book, there 242 00:13:41,112 --> 00:13:45,322 was a case that involved a father and his two sons in Idaho. 243 00:13:45,950 --> 00:13:50,580 One day they saw this object just zoom down this gully, 244 00:13:50,580 --> 00:13:53,080 down the river bed and disappear. 245 00:13:53,082 --> 00:13:54,632 They, all three, saw it. 246 00:13:54,625 --> 00:13:56,165 Hynek found it fairly convincing. 247 00:13:56,169 --> 00:13:59,839 He ended up writing it off as something with a natural cause. 248 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:03,969 That was Hynek's official report to Project Blue Book, 249 00:14:03,968 --> 00:14:08,098 Why this is significant is years later when Hynek started 250 00:14:08,097 --> 00:14:11,727 to change his mind, he had regrets about that specific case. 251 00:14:12,310 --> 00:14:14,730 He said, "With that case, I should have said, 252 00:14:14,729 --> 00:14:17,519 'You know what? It doesn't add up completely. 253 00:14:17,523 --> 00:14:19,113 I think there's more going on here. 254 00:14:19,108 --> 00:14:20,608 I'm not gonna dismiss it. 255 00:14:20,610 --> 00:14:22,280 I'm gonna try to find out more.'" 256 00:14:22,278 --> 00:14:23,948 So, that was kind of the first chink 257 00:14:23,946 --> 00:14:27,236 in Hynek's façade as a debunker. 258 00:14:28,367 --> 00:14:31,287 HYNEK: I began to get certain doubts because it was the 259 00:14:31,287 --> 00:14:33,117 people themselves. 260 00:14:33,122 --> 00:14:36,042 I said to myself, well now, come on, how much longer am 261 00:14:36,042 --> 00:14:38,462 I going to call these people crazy. 262 00:14:38,461 --> 00:14:41,011 And when I changed my glasses you might say, a little bit, 263 00:14:41,005 --> 00:14:44,005 and took a view that maybe these people aren't crazy, 264 00:14:44,008 --> 00:14:47,348 and began to realize what sort of people they were: 265 00:14:47,345 --> 00:14:49,465 good, solid people. 266 00:14:49,472 --> 00:14:53,892 I said to myself, well, the time has come to maybe 267 00:14:53,893 --> 00:14:55,733 change my attitude." 268 00:15:01,275 --> 00:15:03,185 ♪ ♪ 269 00:15:03,194 --> 00:15:05,954 POWELL: With the United States Air Force leaving the role 270 00:15:05,947 --> 00:15:10,117 behind of taking in UFO investigations, this left a 271 00:15:10,118 --> 00:15:14,458 large vacuum that civilian organizations began to fill. 272 00:15:15,123 --> 00:15:17,793 KEAN: In 1974, J. Allen Hynek founded 273 00:15:17,792 --> 00:15:20,882 The Center for UFO Studies, abbreviated "CUFOS". 274 00:15:20,878 --> 00:15:24,718 This was a civilian group composed of very qualified 275 00:15:24,715 --> 00:15:29,175 people that runs the gamut of the average person with 276 00:15:29,178 --> 00:15:34,558 enthusiasm, to a very highly trained scientist or academic. 277 00:15:35,601 --> 00:15:39,611 And the records that they provided are absolutely crucial. 278 00:15:45,069 --> 00:15:47,199 RODEGHIER: I'm Mark Rodeghier, the scientific director of the 279 00:15:47,196 --> 00:15:50,406 Center for UFO Studies in Chicago. 280 00:15:50,408 --> 00:15:54,578 Dr. Hynek mentored me and designated me as his successor. 281 00:15:54,579 --> 00:15:58,079 Dr. Hynek was the classic professor. 282 00:15:58,082 --> 00:15:59,672 He loved teaching. 283 00:15:59,667 --> 00:16:02,917 He also really enjoyed jokes, you know, and a good time. 284 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,710 He wasn't stuffy. 285 00:16:04,714 --> 00:16:06,304 He had a little twinkle in his eye. 286 00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:08,969 People really warmed up to him. 287 00:16:08,968 --> 00:16:13,218 Allen was very open minded, and that is really the 288 00:16:13,222 --> 00:16:15,932 background to him being interested in UFOs. 289 00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:20,563 UFO groups, you know, they're not massive organizations. 290 00:16:20,563 --> 00:16:24,323 In fact, we're now sitting in the basement in my 291 00:16:24,317 --> 00:16:26,857 UFO office here in my house. 292 00:16:27,778 --> 00:16:30,528 The Center is really like a scientific think tank. 293 00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:34,831 Dr. Hynek realized that there was a need for a focused, 294 00:16:34,827 --> 00:16:38,077 professional group to study UFOs. 295 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,290 That involves mainly three things. 296 00:16:41,292 --> 00:16:43,882 Being a place for people to report sightings. 297 00:16:43,878 --> 00:16:47,418 Number two is to be a place for reliable information. 298 00:16:47,423 --> 00:16:50,933 We publish a journal, a periodical, with monographs. 299 00:16:50,927 --> 00:16:53,797 And finally, of course, a place to do research. 300 00:16:53,804 --> 00:16:57,484 We've stayed pretty close to that mission all through the years. 301 00:16:58,893 --> 00:17:00,443 O'CONNELL: One of the first things that CUFOS did was 302 00:17:00,436 --> 00:17:05,436 establish a national hotline for UFO reporting. 303 00:17:05,441 --> 00:17:08,441 They distributed this hotline to law enforcement agencies 304 00:17:08,444 --> 00:17:10,364 around the country and said, 305 00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:11,913 "Put this on your bulletin board. 306 00:17:11,906 --> 00:17:15,326 If you ever get a call from someone who has seen a UFO 307 00:17:15,326 --> 00:17:18,446 call us on this hotline, and we will do the investigation." 308 00:17:19,372 --> 00:17:23,042 WITNESS (over phone): But it didn't look like anything I know of... 309 00:17:25,086 --> 00:17:27,206 POWELL: But there was a big difference between civilian 310 00:17:27,213 --> 00:17:30,263 and military investigations of UFOs. 311 00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:36,103 The military has access to other information civilians don't. 312 00:18:27,481 --> 00:18:29,571 KEAN: In the 70s and 80s in general, government officials 313 00:18:29,567 --> 00:18:32,397 were not talking about UFOs. 314 00:18:32,403 --> 00:18:34,743 But some presidents were also interested in getting 315 00:18:34,739 --> 00:18:37,159 information about UFOs. 316 00:18:37,158 --> 00:18:40,618 When Jimmy Carter was the governor of Georgia in 1969, 317 00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:43,660 he had a sighting with a group of other witnesses. 318 00:18:43,956 --> 00:18:47,336 CARTER: All of us saw a very bright light in the western sky. 319 00:18:48,044 --> 00:18:51,054 And it got closer and closer and then it seemed to stop in 320 00:18:51,047 --> 00:18:53,217 its proximity to us. 321 00:18:53,215 --> 00:18:57,465 And then the color of it changed from white to blue to red. 322 00:18:58,638 --> 00:19:00,558 KEAN: Jimmy Carter was very impressed by that. 323 00:19:00,556 --> 00:19:02,386 It really impacted him. 324 00:19:02,391 --> 00:19:05,811 Then in 1973, he filed a written report on this with a 325 00:19:05,811 --> 00:19:08,231 number of civilian UFO groups. 326 00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:09,980 So it's on the record. 327 00:19:09,982 --> 00:19:12,862 So when he did become President, he approached NASA 328 00:19:12,860 --> 00:19:15,910 to see if they would open up a new investigation that could 329 00:19:15,905 --> 00:19:18,735 continue what the Air Force had been doing prior to 330 00:19:18,741 --> 00:19:20,951 closing down Project Blue Book. 331 00:19:20,951 --> 00:19:23,541 The Air Force would not have wanted this to happen 332 00:19:23,537 --> 00:19:26,497 seven years after closing Project Blue Book. 333 00:19:26,499 --> 00:19:30,629 So the Air Force jumped in on the process and said to NASA, 334 00:19:30,628 --> 00:19:33,418 "we don't want you to do this." 335 00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:36,932 After a series of exchanges, 336 00:19:36,926 --> 00:19:40,506 NASA did decline the president's request. 337 00:19:41,097 --> 00:19:43,177 PLANTE: Under pressure to answer by the end of the year, 338 00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:46,272 NASA concluded that it would be pointless to mount a new 339 00:19:46,268 --> 00:19:49,438 research effort because of the lack of physical evidence. 340 00:19:50,439 --> 00:19:52,819 KEAN: It was kind of stunning that a request from the 341 00:19:52,817 --> 00:19:56,107 president would have been denied. 342 00:19:58,989 --> 00:20:00,779 ♪ ♪ 343 00:20:00,783 --> 00:20:03,043 SHALIT: If there is no concrete evidence of people 344 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:06,155 from outer space, how do you write a whole book about UFO's? 345 00:20:06,163 --> 00:20:08,583 HYNEK: That's exactly why I called it The UFO Experience 346 00:20:08,582 --> 00:20:10,042 instead of something that would've sold more, 347 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:11,752 like Sex and the UFO. 348 00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:15,012 I call it "The UFO Experience" because that's what I was 349 00:20:15,005 --> 00:20:18,045 talking about: the experience that people had. 350 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:20,220 And you can't convince a person who's had a real 351 00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:22,639 UFO experience that he hasn't had it. 352 00:20:23,013 --> 00:20:25,813 KEAN: In the early '70s, J. Allen Hynek came out with 353 00:20:25,808 --> 00:20:28,888 his monumental book, called The UFO Experience. 354 00:20:28,894 --> 00:20:31,524 It wasn't just about research. 355 00:20:31,522 --> 00:20:35,152 He was somebody that would listen and took people 356 00:20:35,151 --> 00:20:38,701 seriously who had had sightings, and had experiences. 357 00:20:38,696 --> 00:20:43,076 He would go on lots of TV shows and radio interviews and 358 00:20:43,075 --> 00:20:47,285 he was a public figure advocating for official 359 00:20:47,288 --> 00:20:50,998 recognition and study of UFOs. 360 00:20:52,334 --> 00:20:55,924 MELLON: With the space program taking off, there was a 361 00:20:55,921 --> 00:20:59,301 groundswell of interest in outer space. 362 00:21:00,426 --> 00:21:02,676 ARMSTRONG (over TV): It's one small step for man, 363 00:21:02,678 --> 00:21:06,218 one giant leap for mankind. 364 00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:09,061 MELLON: It was a national movement. 365 00:21:09,059 --> 00:21:12,729 And so, people's imaginations, of course, run wild. 366 00:21:13,898 --> 00:21:17,938 Hollywood was able to capture that and feed people's thirst 367 00:21:17,943 --> 00:21:20,113 and imagination. 368 00:21:20,112 --> 00:21:24,452 And it led to a longstanding, powerful genre. 369 00:21:24,867 --> 00:21:26,537 MAN (over TV): May the force be with you. 370 00:21:27,578 --> 00:21:30,658 KEAN: So UFOs became a cultural, creative, 371 00:21:30,664 --> 00:21:32,884 imaginative area. 372 00:21:32,875 --> 00:21:34,955 And Hynek's book was a big hit... 373 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,050 SHALIT: Dr. J. Allen Hynek... 374 00:21:37,046 --> 00:21:40,006 O'CONNELL: Steven Spielberg bought the rights to Hynek's 375 00:21:40,007 --> 00:21:44,347 book and hired Dr. Hynek as a technical consultant. 376 00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:48,017 KEAN: And so Spielberg worked with Hynek in helping to get 377 00:21:48,015 --> 00:21:51,345 the facts accurate for his movie Close Encounters. 378 00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:55,649 SPIELBERG: Yeah, I was very influenced by J. Allen Hynek 379 00:21:55,648 --> 00:21:59,898 because he was not looking at UFOs as science fiction, 380 00:21:59,902 --> 00:22:03,662 but he was looking at them as science speculation. 381 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:07,156 So I met with him and I used him and I picked his brain 382 00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:09,699 and, and he consulted with me. 383 00:22:09,703 --> 00:22:12,163 RODEGHIER: Dr. Hynek was the fellow that coined the term 384 00:22:12,164 --> 00:22:13,924 "Close Encounters". 385 00:22:13,916 --> 00:22:16,206 HYNEK: Close encounters of the first kind is when it's close 386 00:22:16,210 --> 00:22:18,500 and nothing really happens. 387 00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:20,464 O'CONNELL: A close encounter of the second kind 388 00:22:20,464 --> 00:22:23,844 includes physical damage to the environment. 389 00:22:23,842 --> 00:22:26,762 That could be landing pad imprints in the grass where a 390 00:22:26,762 --> 00:22:29,222 UFO was said to have landed. 391 00:22:29,223 --> 00:22:31,273 HYNEK: And the close encounters of the third kind 392 00:22:31,267 --> 00:22:33,187 are the most interesting of all. 393 00:22:33,185 --> 00:22:37,015 SPIELBERG: Close encounter of the third kind... 394 00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:40,152 is really when you meet 'em. 395 00:22:41,235 --> 00:22:44,065 KEAN: It was clear that Spielberg wanted real science, 396 00:22:44,071 --> 00:22:47,451 real data, accurate information about UFOs 397 00:22:47,449 --> 00:22:51,119 and that's why he called on J. Allen Hynek. 398 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:53,210 ELIZONDO: They were drawing from real 399 00:22:53,205 --> 00:22:55,955 U.S. government information, on how these things 400 00:22:55,958 --> 00:22:58,708 operated and maneuvered. 401 00:22:59,795 --> 00:23:02,545 Hypersonic velocities, or fast speeds, instantaneous 402 00:23:02,548 --> 00:23:05,428 acceleration, even biological effects, 403 00:23:05,426 --> 00:23:08,506 where Richard Dreyfuss, half his face has this sunburn. 404 00:23:09,013 --> 00:23:11,523 Those were all observables that we were seeing in the 405 00:23:11,515 --> 00:23:13,055 US government. 406 00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:16,228 Real observables that made their way onto the Hollywood screen. 407 00:23:16,228 --> 00:23:19,608 And that's because Steven Spielberg was provided 408 00:23:19,607 --> 00:23:23,397 information from people from Project Blue Book. 409 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:28,069 KEAN: Along with Hynek, Spielberg also talked to 410 00:23:28,073 --> 00:23:31,203 Jacques Vallée, a French scientist who was well known 411 00:23:31,201 --> 00:23:35,041 in the UFO field and had written numerous books on the topic. 412 00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:38,289 VALLÉE: I had the privilege of working with Dr. Hynek for 413 00:23:38,292 --> 00:23:42,962 five years and we built the first computer based data 414 00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:47,133 catalog of UFO sightings, starting with the Air Force 415 00:23:47,134 --> 00:23:51,894 files, which covered about 20,000 cases. 416 00:23:52,848 --> 00:23:54,808 (speaking in French). 417 00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:57,478 BALABAN: These people have come from all over their country. 418 00:23:57,478 --> 00:23:59,858 VALLÉE: The French scientist in the movie, the character of 419 00:23:59,855 --> 00:24:03,685 Lacombe, was based loosely on, on me. 420 00:24:04,485 --> 00:24:09,695 France has an official scientific committee for UFOs 421 00:24:09,698 --> 00:24:13,198 that includes physicists, the military, including 422 00:24:13,202 --> 00:24:16,122 sociologists and psychologists. 423 00:24:16,914 --> 00:24:19,384 SPIELBERG: By letting the project team leader be a 424 00:24:19,375 --> 00:24:23,295 Frenchman it immediately gave more of a depth to the 425 00:24:23,295 --> 00:24:25,795 understanding of UFOs. 426 00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:30,677 VALLÉE: In the whole history of American movies, 427 00:24:30,678 --> 00:24:34,718 It's always, they come from somewhere, they kill somebody, 428 00:24:34,723 --> 00:24:37,983 so we bring the tanks and they destroy all the tanks... 429 00:24:37,976 --> 00:24:43,816 that's a very American way of looking at an alien life form. 430 00:24:44,233 --> 00:24:45,613 SCIENTIST: If everything's ready here on the dark side of 431 00:24:45,609 --> 00:24:48,739 the moon, play the pipe tones. 432 00:24:48,737 --> 00:24:51,947 VALLÉE: The movie was the first movie in which we were 433 00:24:51,949 --> 00:24:57,199 greeting these aliens and they were coming to us as equal, 434 00:24:57,204 --> 00:25:00,424 and we were going to have an intelligent discussion with 435 00:25:00,416 --> 00:25:03,536 them, or, intelligent exchange. 436 00:25:04,086 --> 00:25:05,706 (chimes playing) 437 00:25:05,713 --> 00:25:08,843 (loud horn) 438 00:25:11,385 --> 00:25:14,925 KEAN: Close Encounters just captured the spirit of the 439 00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:18,140 mystery of the phenomenon, the scariness of the phenomenon 440 00:25:18,142 --> 00:25:21,312 and kind of the impact that it has on people. 441 00:25:21,311 --> 00:25:22,651 ANCHOR: Whatever the government may think about them, 442 00:25:22,646 --> 00:25:24,976 unidentified flying objects seem to be 443 00:25:24,982 --> 00:25:26,782 popular with the people. 444 00:25:26,775 --> 00:25:28,565 Columbia Pictures reports that its film, 445 00:25:28,569 --> 00:25:30,489 Close Encounters of the Third Kind, 446 00:25:30,487 --> 00:25:33,277 has grossed $39 million in 3 weeks. 447 00:25:33,824 --> 00:25:36,244 SPIELBERG: I owe a lot to J. Allen Hynek; 448 00:25:36,243 --> 00:25:39,463 his instilling in me a professional's point of view 449 00:25:39,455 --> 00:25:42,115 on this kind of field reporting. 450 00:25:42,124 --> 00:25:43,964 And he helped me make the movie more credible than it 451 00:25:43,959 --> 00:25:46,709 would have been without his, his existence. 452 00:25:47,129 --> 00:25:49,669 O'CONNELL: Steven Spielberg actually brought him on set 453 00:25:49,673 --> 00:25:53,973 for when they filmed the movie's huge climax at the 454 00:25:53,969 --> 00:25:57,099 secret UFO base in Wyoming. 455 00:25:57,097 --> 00:26:00,727 MAN (over film): Captain, United States Navy, 0-4-3-4-3-1 456 00:26:01,769 --> 00:26:04,189 O'CONNELL: And of course Close Encounters, 457 00:26:04,188 --> 00:26:05,768 it became a household term 458 00:26:05,773 --> 00:26:07,823 because of Steven Spielberg's movie and 459 00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:10,816 really catapulted Hynek to a degree of celebrity. 460 00:26:10,819 --> 00:26:13,819 HOST (over TV): Therefore, will the real Dr. J. Allen Hynek 461 00:26:13,822 --> 00:26:16,872 please stand up? 462 00:26:18,327 --> 00:26:22,617 (audience gasps and applause). 463 00:26:22,623 --> 00:26:24,963 KEAN: Even though Hynek worked for our government for almost 464 00:26:24,958 --> 00:26:26,458 two decades. 465 00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:29,170 What he was doing in the 70s and 80s seemed to have 466 00:26:29,171 --> 00:26:31,551 no impact at all on the government. 467 00:26:31,548 --> 00:26:34,128 And sightings continued. 468 00:26:34,134 --> 00:26:36,764 HYNEK: There's the fantastic sightings last year and this 469 00:26:36,762 --> 00:26:39,892 year in the Westchester and Putnam County areas. 470 00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:42,600 Those are literally out of this world. 471 00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:46,061 I can find no logical explanation for them. 472 00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:48,900 WITNESS: I don't know what the hell it is! 473 00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:58,330 ♪ ♪ 474 00:26:59,201 --> 00:27:01,371 WORTHINGTON: We were coming home from grad school. 475 00:27:01,370 --> 00:27:04,290 And we were just yakking like we are now. 476 00:27:04,289 --> 00:27:07,709 And all of a sudden, Doris says, what are those lights up there? 477 00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:11,301 SORAVILLA: I was driving north on 118, and I was 478 00:27:11,296 --> 00:27:12,836 approaching the light here. 479 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,630 I looked into the northern skies, saw what appeared to be 480 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:19,604 a large aircraft with landing lights flying very low, 481 00:27:19,596 --> 00:27:21,596 about 500 feet. 482 00:27:21,598 --> 00:27:24,688 And it stopped and rotated 180 degrees 483 00:27:24,685 --> 00:27:27,225 and started to head west. 484 00:27:27,229 --> 00:27:30,649 SANT: I looked up at Interstate 84 and it was 485 00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:32,439 a parking lot. 486 00:27:32,442 --> 00:27:35,402 People were out of their cars, blinking lights, 487 00:27:35,404 --> 00:27:37,034 pointing up at the sky. 488 00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:41,990 And there was that city of lights hovering over in my backyard. 489 00:27:41,994 --> 00:27:45,294 ACOSTA: And it went from like night to broad daylight. 490 00:27:45,831 --> 00:27:48,961 SANT: And all of a sudden, it was, "It's gonna land! 491 00:27:48,959 --> 00:27:50,629 It's gonna land!" 492 00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:10,308 ACOSTA: You could hear a pin drop. 493 00:28:10,814 --> 00:28:13,234 SANT: And I said, "Oh, what do with my family? 494 00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:16,033 How am I gonna handle all this?" 495 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,450 SORAVILLA: What I saw was unbelievable. 496 00:28:21,450 --> 00:28:23,410 Mind boggling. 497 00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:26,410 The whole town saw this. 498 00:28:28,248 --> 00:28:31,748 KEAN: Beginning in around 1983, There was an incredibly 499 00:28:31,752 --> 00:28:35,212 dramatic series of sightings that took place in the 500 00:28:35,213 --> 00:28:38,013 Hudson Valley area of New York state and in Connecticut, 501 00:28:38,008 --> 00:28:40,428 which was actually a wave 502 00:28:40,427 --> 00:28:42,847 because it took place over years. 503 00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:46,136 People would report these UFOs to the police or maybe 504 00:28:46,141 --> 00:28:48,441 to local UFO groups. 505 00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:52,145 And a lot of people were kind of awed and frightened. 506 00:28:52,606 --> 00:28:53,816 BROOKS: It was a little spooky. 507 00:28:53,815 --> 00:28:55,065 REPORTER: How come? 508 00:28:55,067 --> 00:28:57,397 BROOKS: Because it was unexplainable. 509 00:28:57,402 --> 00:28:58,742 REPORTER: What Jim Brooks saw... 510 00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:00,947 MELLON: There was a lot of local reporting, 511 00:29:00,948 --> 00:29:03,368 some local civilian investigation. 512 00:29:03,367 --> 00:29:04,907 SCARBOROUGH: Now, researchers have set up a special UFO 513 00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:06,620 hotline in Westchester... 514 00:29:06,620 --> 00:29:09,960 MELLON: But it was something that involved hundreds, 515 00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:12,957 at least, witnesses, if not more. 516 00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:16,920 KEAN: There was nothing coming from our government, 517 00:29:16,922 --> 00:29:20,932 even though these gigantic craft were cruising around over 518 00:29:20,926 --> 00:29:24,006 a part of the United States. 519 00:29:24,304 --> 00:29:26,264 REPORTER: The Federal Aviation Administration has joined the 520 00:29:26,264 --> 00:29:29,694 Air Force and many astronomers in attributing most UFO 521 00:29:29,685 --> 00:29:32,805 sightings to man-made objects and natural phenomenon. 522 00:29:32,813 --> 00:29:36,533 SCIENTIST: Believe it or not, the planet Venus is a fairly 523 00:29:36,525 --> 00:29:38,355 common UFO sighting. 524 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,490 WITNESS 1: It moved very slowly. 525 00:29:40,487 --> 00:29:41,737 WALSH: We looked up in the sky and we saw six lights 526 00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:43,568 in a V-shape. 527 00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:45,663 KEAN: Even after all these witnesses had seen these 528 00:29:45,659 --> 00:29:48,329 objects and had reported them to their local police, 529 00:29:48,328 --> 00:29:51,248 it still became a kind of a joke. 530 00:29:51,248 --> 00:29:53,788 CARBONE: The head of my school, he said, you know, 531 00:29:53,792 --> 00:29:56,882 some people might think you're crazy. 532 00:29:56,878 --> 00:30:00,338 SANT: I was the commissioner of motor vehicles and I was 533 00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:03,300 involved in a political race at that time. 534 00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:06,181 The last thing I wanted to be known for was little 535 00:30:06,179 --> 00:30:09,469 green people or UFOs. 536 00:30:09,474 --> 00:30:12,894 ACOSTA: My husband also thought I was nuts, and so 537 00:30:12,894 --> 00:30:15,364 I didn't talk about it too much. 538 00:30:16,189 --> 00:30:18,069 HYNEK: What is interesting, tragic, and amusing all at the 539 00:30:18,066 --> 00:30:21,486 one and the same time is that lots of people are afraid to 540 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:22,776 talk about it. 541 00:30:22,779 --> 00:30:24,779 Their friends will laugh at them and so forth. 542 00:30:24,781 --> 00:30:30,411 And we need to let these people 543 00:30:30,412 --> 00:30:32,832 feel safe and talk about it. 544 00:30:33,582 --> 00:30:37,592 KEAN: On August 25th of 1984, Hynek came to the Hudson Valley 545 00:30:37,586 --> 00:30:40,456 and he gave a talk at the middle school there. 546 00:30:40,464 --> 00:30:43,764 This was the last case that he was involved with before he 547 00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,849 died and it made a huge impression on him. 548 00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:48,885 HYNEK: Here's the sketch of the thing going on in 549 00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:51,099 Westchester County now. 550 00:30:51,099 --> 00:30:54,939 There's this large boomerang-shaped object 551 00:30:54,936 --> 00:30:59,316 that moves slowly, far below the stall speed of aircraft; 552 00:30:59,316 --> 00:31:00,816 moves silently. 553 00:31:00,817 --> 00:31:03,357 I've been told by highly responsible witnesses that 554 00:31:03,361 --> 00:31:05,951 it is as large as the football field. 555 00:31:05,947 --> 00:31:08,367 ZIMMERMAN: It speaks to the importance of the 556 00:31:08,366 --> 00:31:12,496 Hudson Valley wave that J. Allen Hynek came here. 557 00:31:12,496 --> 00:31:15,956 He thought it was important enough, to speak to the 558 00:31:15,957 --> 00:31:19,127 witnesses, to go to the sites. 559 00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:21,877 SANT: I spent a weekend with Dr. Hynek. 560 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,680 Dr. Hynek could ask you a question and he'd sit back and 561 00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:29,926 he would listen and if one of my kids jumped into the 562 00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:33,060 conversation, he would just kindly just put up his hand 563 00:31:33,058 --> 00:31:35,388 and go, "I'll get right back to you," with a little wink. 564 00:31:35,393 --> 00:31:38,313 And you were the most important person for that 565 00:31:38,313 --> 00:31:40,233 moment he was talking to you. 566 00:31:40,232 --> 00:31:43,192 That's the way he made me feel. 567 00:31:43,443 --> 00:31:46,033 KEAN: It was very important for these witnesses who were 568 00:31:46,029 --> 00:31:48,699 not getting any official recognition that somebody like 569 00:31:48,698 --> 00:31:50,578 J. Allen Hynek, 570 00:31:50,575 --> 00:31:52,655 an astronomer who had worked for the government, 571 00:31:52,661 --> 00:31:55,371 that he came there, and spoke with them, 572 00:31:55,372 --> 00:31:57,672 and took them seriously. 573 00:31:58,083 --> 00:32:00,093 SANT: And we walked through the whole sighting, 574 00:32:00,085 --> 00:32:02,125 he wanted to go every place. 575 00:32:02,129 --> 00:32:04,709 And every time we made a stop he said, 576 00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:06,224 "What were you feeling? 577 00:32:06,216 --> 00:32:07,676 Did you feel anything in your gut? 578 00:32:07,676 --> 00:32:10,346 Did you feel connected to this object?" 579 00:32:11,638 --> 00:32:14,098 KEAN: It made a huge difference to have him 580 00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:16,639 on site during the wave. 581 00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:18,273 HYNEK: In the Westchester case in New York for instance we 582 00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:21,230 had witnesses geographically independent of each other, 583 00:32:21,231 --> 00:32:24,401 didn't know each other, and yet reported identically the 584 00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:28,531 same things now you cannot call that mass hallucination. 585 00:32:29,698 --> 00:32:31,658 KEAN: Lack of scientific involvement or government 586 00:32:31,658 --> 00:32:34,868 acknowledgement of UFOs encourages people's 587 00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:38,670 imaginations to go wild with, "What are they hiding? 588 00:32:38,665 --> 00:32:40,575 WORTHINGTON: We called the police when we got home and 589 00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:43,214 they didn't tell us that night but a couple of days later we 590 00:32:43,211 --> 00:32:45,961 were reading they thought they were ultralights. 591 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:47,674 The planes? 592 00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:50,054 HYNEK: The chief meteorologist at the Westchester County Airport 593 00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:52,551 with some 25 years experience told me that 594 00:32:52,554 --> 00:32:55,814 when he saw it overhead, it moved very slowly like a 595 00:32:55,807 --> 00:32:57,807 ship docking at a berth. 596 00:32:57,809 --> 00:33:01,769 Now that cannot possibly be ultralights flying in formation. 597 00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:03,691 That's just out of the question. 598 00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:05,280 ROSE: The plane flying in formation is one of the 599 00:33:05,275 --> 00:33:10,315 reasons cited including an article in Discover Magazine. 600 00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:13,742 KEAN: This article that was in Discover Magazine talks about 601 00:33:13,742 --> 00:33:17,162 the pilots who were going up and hoaxing UFOs and it 602 00:33:17,162 --> 00:33:20,622 implies that's probably what all the sightings were. 603 00:33:21,666 --> 00:33:23,916 WITNESS: Hear the engines? 604 00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:25,249 SANT: Planes fly all the time. 605 00:33:25,253 --> 00:33:27,173 Do you hear 7,000 people coming out and saying, 606 00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:28,672 "Ah, I saw planes over my head." 607 00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:29,723 No. 608 00:33:29,716 --> 00:33:31,546 They saw something different. 609 00:33:31,843 --> 00:33:34,473 WORTHINGTON: Ultralights make noise! 610 00:33:34,471 --> 00:33:35,891 CARBONE: They do make noise! 611 00:33:35,889 --> 00:33:39,479 WORTHINGTON: So we've never had a good explanation. 612 00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:46,574 KEAN: So these pilots did a huge disservice by creating 613 00:33:46,566 --> 00:33:50,856 this hoax situation to confuse everything, and to bring a 614 00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:53,662 lack of credibility and to give the government something 615 00:33:53,657 --> 00:33:55,447 to hang their hat on when they were asked what people were 616 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:56,870 actually seeing. 617 00:33:56,868 --> 00:34:00,618 ZIMMERMAN: People began doubting themselves. 618 00:34:00,622 --> 00:34:04,132 It kept the entire wave suppressed. 619 00:34:05,126 --> 00:34:08,046 KEAN: Hynek was just stunned by the fact that this was 620 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,086 not getting attention. 621 00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:12,050 HYNEK: The subject came up in the United Nations recently. 622 00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:15,430 We have reports from 133 different countries. 623 00:34:15,428 --> 00:34:18,428 And the same pattern exists around the world. 624 00:34:18,431 --> 00:34:21,311 It's not just localized in one particular country, you see. 625 00:34:21,309 --> 00:34:25,609 KEAN: So while our government was telling the public that 626 00:34:25,605 --> 00:34:28,935 there was nothing to UFOs, that the investigations had 627 00:34:28,942 --> 00:34:30,652 all been shut down... 628 00:34:30,652 --> 00:34:34,362 documents reveal that officials were, in fact, 629 00:34:34,364 --> 00:34:37,334 monitoring cases in other countries. 630 00:34:37,784 --> 00:34:40,164 POWELL: What they were seeing was very similar to what was 631 00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:42,461 seen in the Hudson Valley. 632 00:34:42,455 --> 00:34:43,745 (beep). 633 00:34:57,971 --> 00:35:00,601 HYNEK: This map was prepared by Dr. Jacques Vallée. 634 00:35:00,598 --> 00:35:04,138 UFO reports are truly global, and that they seem to occur in 635 00:35:04,144 --> 00:35:06,734 waves or "flaps" as they are often called. 636 00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:10,146 Notice how the flaps have been distributed throughout the 637 00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:12,650 years and over the world. 638 00:35:12,652 --> 00:35:16,282 MELLON: This is truly an international phenomenon. 639 00:35:16,281 --> 00:35:18,371 There's no question about it. 640 00:35:18,366 --> 00:35:22,946 There's a very similar pattern, very similar reports. 641 00:35:22,954 --> 00:35:25,294 Foreign militaries are also having encounters. 642 00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:28,340 The Belgian Air Force had some extraordinary encounters. 643 00:35:41,348 --> 00:35:43,478 KEAN: A few years after the Hudson Valley wave, 644 00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:47,055 a very similar wave occurred in Belgium. 645 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,020 ZIMMERMAN: These large black triangles. 646 00:35:51,024 --> 00:35:54,284 Again, all the characteristics, silent, low, 647 00:35:54,277 --> 00:35:57,987 beams of light, hovering. 648 00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:02,080 KEAN: Belgian authorities would scramble jets in order 649 00:36:02,077 --> 00:36:04,327 to try to get a better look at the objects. 650 00:36:04,329 --> 00:36:08,539 They wanted to identify what it was that was invading 651 00:36:08,541 --> 00:36:11,171 protected airspace over their country. 652 00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:14,049 They felt that this was their responsibility. 653 00:36:14,047 --> 00:36:17,837 POWELL: The F-16s that the Belgian military had 654 00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:20,262 tracked these objects on radar. 655 00:36:20,261 --> 00:36:24,141 So they actually have radar imagery of the unknown, 656 00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:26,560 moving through Belgian airspace. 657 00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,059 KEAN: And the contrast from how the Belgium government 658 00:36:29,062 --> 00:36:31,902 handled it there versus how our government didn't handle 659 00:36:31,898 --> 00:36:35,938 the events in Hudson Valley are really striking. 660 00:36:36,528 --> 00:36:39,568 The Belgian Air Force became actively involved with a group 661 00:36:39,572 --> 00:36:42,872 of scientists to collect reports from witnesses. 662 00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:46,747 They assigned a colonel to head up in an investigation. 663 00:36:53,002 --> 00:36:56,132 KEAN: And they held a press conference packed with media, 664 00:36:56,131 --> 00:36:59,261 in which they disclosed everything they knew and 665 00:36:59,259 --> 00:37:01,089 how they were approaching this. 666 00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:05,518 KEAN: And the public were encouraged to file reports. 667 00:37:14,816 --> 00:37:17,896 ZIMMERMAN: Air Force officers were coming forward, and 668 00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:20,742 speaking about it. 669 00:37:20,738 --> 00:37:24,118 They gave it a legitimacy that we have yet to see here in 670 00:37:24,117 --> 00:37:25,947 this country. 671 00:37:25,952 --> 00:37:27,002 ANCHOR: You said the government stopped 672 00:37:26,995 --> 00:37:28,705 investigating back in 1969. 673 00:37:28,705 --> 00:37:30,865 Do these UFO watchers have any reason to expect the 674 00:37:30,874 --> 00:37:34,094 government to get re-involved in investigating these claims? 675 00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:35,875 REPORTER: Right now they're a bit disappointed the 676 00:37:35,879 --> 00:37:37,879 government has not gotten more involved than it has in the 677 00:37:37,881 --> 00:37:39,421 last ten years. 678 00:37:39,424 --> 00:37:42,144 But we do know that the CIA and the Defense Department 679 00:37:42,135 --> 00:37:45,505 have been doing some research into other sightings in other 680 00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:47,603 nations, like the Soviet Union and Iran, 681 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,769 but in the United States, they seem very skeptical. 682 00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:53,150 KEAN: The Belgian case was documented by 683 00:37:53,146 --> 00:37:55,056 U.S. government officials. 684 00:37:55,064 --> 00:37:57,864 Colonel de Brouwer had approached American officials 685 00:37:57,859 --> 00:38:00,319 to inquire whether this was ours. 686 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,360 And we had told them no. 687 00:38:02,363 --> 00:38:05,283 And we had said also, "We'd like to know whose it was." 688 00:38:05,283 --> 00:38:08,703 So there was a document filed about the Belgian wave, 689 00:38:08,703 --> 00:38:12,543 but no document filed about a wave in our own country. 690 00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:14,670 At least that we are aware of. 691 00:38:17,837 --> 00:38:21,627 HYNEK: To me, the greatest evidence for the existence of 692 00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:24,473 something strange going on is the caliber of 693 00:38:24,469 --> 00:38:26,139 many of the witnesses. 694 00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:28,597 For instance, in Westchester, we had meteorologists, 695 00:38:28,598 --> 00:38:33,518 Navy test pilot, IBM executives, priests, CPAs... 696 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,190 ROSE: Are they all saying the same thing? 697 00:38:35,188 --> 00:38:37,568 That it is not explainable to them 698 00:38:37,565 --> 00:38:40,605 by any conventional explanation? 699 00:38:40,610 --> 00:38:42,030 HYNEK: You just said it, Charlie! 700 00:38:42,028 --> 00:38:43,398 That's exactly what they're saying. 701 00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:44,914 They're seeing the same things. 702 00:38:44,906 --> 00:38:47,196 WORTHINGTON: You know, there were so many people that saw it. 703 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,660 It wasn't, you know, if I saw it alone, I probably 704 00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:51,251 wouldn't have told anybody. 705 00:38:51,246 --> 00:38:53,456 If the three of us saw it, I might have told my family. 706 00:38:53,456 --> 00:38:54,956 CARBONE: Yeah. 707 00:38:54,958 --> 00:38:56,498 WORTHINGTON: But there were so many people that had saw it, 708 00:38:56,501 --> 00:38:58,001 that I was fine with, you know. 709 00:38:58,002 --> 00:38:59,092 CARBONE: Yeah. 710 00:38:59,087 --> 00:39:00,257 WORTHINGTON: Spreading the word. 711 00:39:00,255 --> 00:39:01,705 CARBONE: Me too. 712 00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:02,514 WORTHINGTON: And everybody that I told said, they were 713 00:39:02,507 --> 00:39:03,967 sorry they didn't see it. 714 00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:07,429 O'CONNELL: A lot of people took solace in the fact that 715 00:39:07,428 --> 00:39:09,968 Hynek was a guy who was on their side. 716 00:39:09,973 --> 00:39:13,733 If you witnessed a UFO, Hynek was one person who would take 717 00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:17,516 you seriously, wouldn't make fun of you, and really try to 718 00:39:17,522 --> 00:39:21,322 get a full picture of your experience and that, that's so 719 00:39:21,317 --> 00:39:24,147 huge just to someone who has seen something weird in the 720 00:39:24,153 --> 00:39:27,123 sky and doesn't know how to tell anyone about it. 721 00:39:27,115 --> 00:39:28,985 SANT: I felt validated. 722 00:39:28,992 --> 00:39:31,912 That's the way Dr. Hynek made me feel. 723 00:39:31,911 --> 00:39:35,041 So I could say, "There's nothing wrong with me and 724 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:36,669 nothing wrong with my eyes 725 00:39:36,666 --> 00:39:39,336 and nothing wrong with my intuition. 726 00:39:39,335 --> 00:39:41,415 They're all intact." 727 00:39:42,839 --> 00:39:47,339 VALLÉE: Dr. Hynek was someone who was very alive, very open. 728 00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:50,892 He told me once that the reason he became interested in 729 00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:55,178 UFOs was about the challenges, about, you know: 730 00:39:55,184 --> 00:39:56,694 what is this world? 731 00:39:56,686 --> 00:40:01,476 If this is real, what does that mean for human existence? 732 00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,780 KEAN: The last thing Hynek did before leaving this earth, 733 00:40:05,778 --> 00:40:10,328 was try to understand the nature of the denial and 734 00:40:10,325 --> 00:40:12,575 the disconnect among human beings when something 735 00:40:12,577 --> 00:40:14,947 this dramatic happens. 736 00:40:14,954 --> 00:40:18,544 Hynek wrote an essay that was a rough draft that was left on 737 00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:20,541 his computer when he died. 738 00:40:20,543 --> 00:40:23,383 He said, "How is it possible that in the United States 739 00:40:23,379 --> 00:40:26,879 where even trivial events are often flashed across the 740 00:40:26,883 --> 00:40:31,183 world, only one national TV and radio network carried an 741 00:40:31,179 --> 00:40:34,889 account of these utterly astounding sightings? 742 00:40:34,891 --> 00:40:37,561 Was no one minding the store? 743 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,810 Was everyone asleep at the switch?" 744 00:40:40,855 --> 00:40:44,225 Hynek was a different person than he was previously when 745 00:40:44,233 --> 00:40:46,283 he worked at Project Blue Book. 746 00:40:46,277 --> 00:40:50,867 Here he was saying: UFOs, they're of scientific interest, 747 00:40:50,865 --> 00:40:53,485 the witnesses should be taken seriously. 748 00:40:53,493 --> 00:40:57,543 It was just the most profoundly important moment 749 00:40:57,538 --> 00:40:59,788 in setting a course of events that continued through the 750 00:40:59,791 --> 00:41:02,591 '70s, '80s and '90s. 751 00:41:03,294 --> 00:41:05,004 HYNEK: Starting as a complete skeptic, 752 00:41:05,004 --> 00:41:07,094 I underwent a transformation. 753 00:41:07,090 --> 00:41:10,220 And now, I guess the best way of saying it is that it's an 754 00:41:10,218 --> 00:41:12,848 itch that I just have to scratch. 755 00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:16,675 I feel that we have a phenomenon that, could be, 756 00:41:16,683 --> 00:41:19,853 of tremendous potential importance to the human race, 757 00:41:19,852 --> 00:41:22,562 I feel that strongly about it. 758 00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:29,033 ♪ ♪ 759 00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:31,492 MAN: It's a definite UFO or something like that. 760 00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,989 It just flew right over me. 761 00:41:33,992 --> 00:41:35,662 HILKEVITCH: This is highly restricted airspace. 762 00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:38,370 You don't want something up there that doesn't belong there. 763 00:41:38,371 --> 00:41:40,751 KEAN: The culture as a whole didn't really 764 00:41:40,748 --> 00:41:42,918 take UFOs seriously. 765 00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:46,957 FOX: I stuck with it despite the level of ridicule for decades. 766 00:41:46,963 --> 00:41:48,843 CALLAHAN: He described it as a huge ball of light turning 767 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,840 around and he says it was about four times bigger than a 747. 768 00:41:53,553 --> 00:41:56,513 KEAN: My immediate response was, "I wanna break this story!" 769 00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:57,774 Captioned by Cotter Media Group. 61556

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