Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:01,251 --> 00:00:05,341
♪ ♪
2
00:00:05,339 --> 00:00:11,389
♪ ♪
3
00:00:11,386 --> 00:00:15,596
STEVE ALLEN:
January the 8th, 2008,
4
00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:19,229
it was approximately
6:00 PM in the afternoon,
5
00:00:19,228 --> 00:00:22,898
and the sun was just going down,
6
00:00:22,898 --> 00:00:25,438
and my buddy Mike Odam
called me and says,
7
00:00:25,442 --> 00:00:27,572
"You want to come over
and enjoy the afternoon?
8
00:00:27,569 --> 00:00:29,239
We'll build a campfire
up on the hill
9
00:00:29,238 --> 00:00:31,238
and just hang out
and shoot the breeze."
10
00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,330
And I said, "Sure can."
11
00:00:35,994 --> 00:00:38,084
Second I got out of my pickup,
12
00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,790
I noticed some lights
coming at us
13
00:00:39,790 --> 00:00:42,500
at a very high rate of speed.
14
00:00:44,503 --> 00:00:48,723
I asked Mike and Lance if they
was seeing what I was seeing,
15
00:00:48,715 --> 00:00:53,295
they replied back,
"Yes, we're seeing it."
16
00:00:53,303 --> 00:00:56,013
We saw a craft coming
from the east going west.
17
00:00:59,434 --> 00:01:02,064
Had extremely large lights,
18
00:01:02,062 --> 00:01:04,772
like a magnesium flare,
19
00:01:04,773 --> 00:01:07,693
almost burnt your eyes
to look at it.
20
00:01:07,693 --> 00:01:09,953
And it was moving
extremely fast,
21
00:01:09,945 --> 00:01:13,905
faster than any normal aircraft
that we have around here.
22
00:01:13,907 --> 00:01:17,537
And as we watched it, we saw
that it had two F-16 jets
23
00:01:17,536 --> 00:01:22,116
in hot pursuit after it,
chasing it.
24
00:01:22,124 --> 00:01:23,504
I know what a F-16 is.
25
00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:28,960
I go to air shows and
pretty familiar with aircraft.
26
00:01:28,964 --> 00:01:30,474
It was unbelievable.
27
00:01:30,465 --> 00:01:33,085
It left us all in shock,
28
00:01:33,093 --> 00:01:37,313
you know, it was, uh,
out of this world.
29
00:01:37,306 --> 00:01:41,806
♪ ♪
30
00:01:41,810 --> 00:01:44,860
LARRY KING: Last week, several
people in Stephenville, Texas,
31
00:01:44,855 --> 00:01:47,475
witnessed what many
are calling a UFO.
32
00:01:47,482 --> 00:01:49,652
STANTON FRIEDMAN: The Air Force
has lied about UFOs
33
00:01:49,651 --> 00:01:51,821
for 60 years, actually.
34
00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:54,570
And this would be
in keeping with that.
35
00:01:54,573 --> 00:01:56,373
LESLIE KEAN: In the late '40s
and early '50s,
36
00:01:56,366 --> 00:02:00,076
there was so many sightings
across the United States.
37
00:02:00,078 --> 00:02:01,578
It was in the middle
of the Cold War,
38
00:02:01,580 --> 00:02:04,120
so government officials
were trying to figure out
39
00:02:04,124 --> 00:02:06,174
what these objects were.
40
00:02:06,168 --> 00:02:07,378
CHRIS MELLON:
The government examined
41
00:02:07,377 --> 00:02:10,707
over 12,000 UFO sightings.
42
00:02:10,714 --> 00:02:13,434
Many of those bore
a striking resemblance
43
00:02:13,425 --> 00:02:15,505
to what we're seeing today.
44
00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:18,220
JOHN A. SAMFORD: There have been
a certain percentage of reports
45
00:02:18,221 --> 00:02:23,391
by credible observers of
relatively incredible things.
46
00:02:23,393 --> 00:02:25,443
MARK O'CONNELL: The Air Force,
I think, for a time
47
00:02:25,437 --> 00:02:27,897
may have been making
an honest effort
48
00:02:27,898 --> 00:02:30,688
to clear the air
about the phenomenon.
49
00:02:30,692 --> 00:02:32,862
Unfortunately,
it didn't last too long.
50
00:02:32,861 --> 00:02:34,531
J. ALLEN HYNEK: To this time,
there is no valid
51
00:02:34,529 --> 00:02:39,409
scientific proof that we have
been visited by spaceships.
52
00:02:39,409 --> 00:02:42,079
KEAN: They were inundated
by these reports
53
00:02:42,079 --> 00:02:44,959
and just wanted to be done
with the whole thing.
54
00:02:44,956 --> 00:02:46,666
LAWRENCE J. TACKER:
We are not hiding anything;
55
00:02:46,666 --> 00:02:48,416
we have nothing to hide.
56
00:02:48,418 --> 00:02:52,628
KEAN: This became the launch of
taboo on a more official level.
57
00:02:52,631 --> 00:02:55,091
Ridicule became sanctioned.
58
00:02:55,092 --> 00:02:56,932
ALLEN: I would like
to have answers,
59
00:02:56,927 --> 00:02:58,847
but I'm not sure if
we'll ever get any.
60
00:03:01,181 --> 00:03:02,931
HYNEK: We get reports
every night.
61
00:03:02,933 --> 00:03:04,273
MAN: I don't know what
the hell it is.
62
00:03:04,267 --> 00:03:06,557
MAN: Looks like
a rotating right around it.
63
00:03:06,561 --> 00:03:08,981
MAN: I'd like to report a UFO.
64
00:03:18,115 --> 00:03:21,155
KEAN: In 2017, two colleagues
and I published a story
65
00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:22,329
in The New York Times
66
00:03:22,327 --> 00:03:26,117
about a secret Pentagon program
studying UFOs.
67
00:03:26,123 --> 00:03:27,753
The story was on the front page
of The New York Times,
68
00:03:27,749 --> 00:03:28,959
and it was huge,
69
00:03:28,959 --> 00:03:31,589
it was covered everywhere
all over the world.
70
00:03:31,586 --> 00:03:35,046
It was like such a sea change
for me as a journalist
71
00:03:35,048 --> 00:03:38,798
and also for the issue
of UFOs in general.
72
00:03:38,802 --> 00:03:41,222
For most people, this was the
first time they heard anything
73
00:03:41,221 --> 00:03:46,641
about any official relationship
between the government and UFOs.
74
00:03:46,643 --> 00:03:48,853
But actually in the late 1940s,
75
00:03:48,854 --> 00:03:51,864
the government was really
starting to wake up
76
00:03:51,857 --> 00:03:56,567
to what this issue
was really all about.
77
00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:58,740
MARK RODEGHIER: It's extremely
important to understand
78
00:03:58,738 --> 00:04:03,198
that the Cold War affected
both the perception of UFOs
79
00:04:03,201 --> 00:04:06,751
and how it was handled
by the military.
80
00:04:06,746 --> 00:04:08,996
MELLON: It's hard for us
today to remember
81
00:04:08,999 --> 00:04:11,919
what the mindset was,
but it was dire.
82
00:04:11,918 --> 00:04:14,548
It was life and death
between the United States
83
00:04:14,546 --> 00:04:16,416
and Soviet Union.
84
00:04:16,423 --> 00:04:18,973
There was people out with
binoculars all over the country,
85
00:04:18,967 --> 00:04:23,507
constantly searching the skies
for a Russian strike.
86
00:04:23,513 --> 00:04:25,523
O'CONNELL: It was only natural
that during the Cold War,
87
00:04:25,515 --> 00:04:29,435
UFOs sort of got folded
into this overriding fear
88
00:04:29,436 --> 00:04:32,476
of what might attack us
at any given time.
89
00:04:32,481 --> 00:04:34,231
(phone rings)
90
00:04:34,232 --> 00:04:35,902
OPERATOR: Air Defense, go ahead.
91
00:04:35,901 --> 00:04:39,991
WOMAN: Bravo, hotel,
three five, black, west.
92
00:04:39,988 --> 00:04:41,618
OPERATOR: Check. Thank you.
93
00:04:41,615 --> 00:04:45,075
KEAN: And then, in 1947,
just when these Cold War fears
94
00:04:45,076 --> 00:04:46,996
were starting to take hold,
95
00:04:46,995 --> 00:04:51,035
there was a very famous sighting
by a pilot named Kenneth Arnold.
96
00:04:51,041 --> 00:04:52,961
That was the sighting that
marked the beginning
97
00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:57,049
of the modern era of UFOs.
98
00:04:57,047 --> 00:04:58,377
ED MORROW: It all began
with an incident
99
00:04:58,381 --> 00:05:01,091
which occurred in 1947.
100
00:05:01,092 --> 00:05:03,852
On the afternoon of
June 24th of that year,
101
00:05:03,845 --> 00:05:08,425
Kenneth Arnold made the first
report on flying saucers.
102
00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:10,563
O'CONNELL: Kenneth Arnold
was a private pilot
103
00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,270
searching for a military plane
104
00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:14,190
that had crashed
sometime earlier,
105
00:05:14,189 --> 00:05:16,859
and he sees,
off in the distance,
106
00:05:16,858 --> 00:05:20,778
a chain of nine silvery objects.
107
00:05:20,779 --> 00:05:23,619
He said they look sort of like
silver pie plates
108
00:05:23,615 --> 00:05:25,735
with a crescent cut out of them.
109
00:05:25,742 --> 00:05:30,042
And he times them at going
over 1,000 miles an hour.
110
00:05:30,038 --> 00:05:32,868
RODEGHIER: Nothing in 1947
was capable of traveling
111
00:05:32,874 --> 00:05:34,794
1,200 miles an hour.
112
00:05:34,793 --> 00:05:36,553
Nor did we have any aircraft
113
00:05:36,545 --> 00:05:38,045
that looked like this.
114
00:05:38,046 --> 00:05:40,296
KENNETH ARNOLD: They seemed to
flip and flash in the sun,
115
00:05:40,298 --> 00:05:41,838
just like a mirror.
116
00:05:41,842 --> 00:05:45,932
Kind of weaving and going
at a terrific speed.
117
00:05:45,929 --> 00:05:48,309
O'CONNELL: He landed at his next
stop at the next airport
118
00:05:48,306 --> 00:05:50,596
and told the flight crew
what he had encountered,
119
00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,730
and people pretty much
just laughed him off.
120
00:05:53,728 --> 00:05:55,608
But when got to his next stop,
121
00:05:55,605 --> 00:05:59,025
there were reporters
waiting for him.
122
00:05:59,025 --> 00:06:01,355
He described their movement as
123
00:06:01,361 --> 00:06:03,451
"a saucer skipping
across the water."
124
00:06:03,446 --> 00:06:05,696
And that reporter thought,
"Ah, flying saucers.
125
00:06:05,699 --> 00:06:07,949
That's what we'll call 'em."
126
00:06:07,951 --> 00:06:10,751
And that's what we've
been using ever since.
127
00:06:10,745 --> 00:06:13,575
In the aftermath of
Kenneth Arnold's report,
128
00:06:13,582 --> 00:06:15,752
there were hundreds
and hundreds of reports
129
00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:18,170
pouring into the Air Force
every day,
130
00:06:18,169 --> 00:06:21,209
and the Air Force couldn't
just ignore that.
131
00:06:21,214 --> 00:06:22,764
KEAN: It was in the middle
of the Cold War,
132
00:06:22,757 --> 00:06:25,427
and so government officials
were trying to figure out
133
00:06:25,427 --> 00:06:28,097
what these objects were.
134
00:06:28,096 --> 00:06:30,216
O'CONNELL: General Twining
saw this phenomenon
135
00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:34,313
as a possible threat
to our country.
136
00:06:34,311 --> 00:06:37,771
So, he issued a very famous memo
in which he said,
137
00:06:37,772 --> 00:06:41,112
"The phenomenon reported
is something real...
138
00:06:41,109 --> 00:06:44,109
not visionary or fictitious."
139
00:06:44,112 --> 00:06:46,492
Those were pretty big words
coming from a general
140
00:06:46,489 --> 00:06:50,369
in the Air Force
in the summer of 1947.
141
00:06:50,368 --> 00:06:53,198
KEAN: The Twining memo marked
the beginning of an era
142
00:06:53,204 --> 00:06:56,174
in which the Air Force would
become deeply involved
143
00:06:56,166 --> 00:06:58,956
with the question of UFOs.
144
00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,210
The government was put in a
position where it had to decide
145
00:07:02,213 --> 00:07:04,383
was it going to engage
with this phenomenon,
146
00:07:04,382 --> 00:07:07,392
and if so, how much of it
was it going to make public?
147
00:07:07,385 --> 00:07:10,715
That continued on
in the decades that followed,
148
00:07:10,722 --> 00:07:15,022
and it impacted all the cases
that came decades later.
149
00:07:18,355 --> 00:07:21,315
MELLON: The Stephenville, Texas,
UFO case
150
00:07:21,316 --> 00:07:23,936
is very intriguing to me.
151
00:07:23,943 --> 00:07:28,823
In 2008, a large, unidentified
flying object was observed
152
00:07:28,823 --> 00:07:32,993
by a large number of people
from the ground.
153
00:07:32,994 --> 00:07:34,204
ALLEN: When we first saw it,
154
00:07:34,204 --> 00:07:36,924
it had seven lights
across the back of it,
155
00:07:36,915 --> 00:07:40,785
all blinking in
no particular order.
156
00:07:40,794 --> 00:07:43,134
As it approached Stephenville,
157
00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:45,129
these seven lights became
158
00:07:45,131 --> 00:07:47,841
an arch shape of seven lights,
159
00:07:47,842 --> 00:07:49,892
and then a brief moment later
160
00:07:49,886 --> 00:07:51,136
they burst into a flame,
161
00:07:51,137 --> 00:07:54,427
and it looked to me like
the flame was contained
162
00:07:54,432 --> 00:07:58,022
in a rectangle box.
163
00:07:58,019 --> 00:07:59,269
Somebody had made the comment,
164
00:07:59,270 --> 00:08:02,570
"Well, is it half the size
of a Walmart?"
165
00:08:02,565 --> 00:08:06,275
I said, "It's much bigger
than a normal Walmart."
166
00:08:06,277 --> 00:08:09,487
ROBERT POWELL: What made the
Stephenville case so interesting
167
00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:13,119
was that in a four-hour
period of time,
168
00:08:13,118 --> 00:08:17,998
you had dozens of reports
of an object.
169
00:08:17,997 --> 00:08:21,377
And they all described
seeing the same thing.
170
00:08:21,376 --> 00:08:25,416
ALLEN: It happened about
12 and a half, 13 years ago.
171
00:08:25,422 --> 00:08:27,922
I still think about it
quite often.
172
00:08:27,924 --> 00:08:29,594
We're still trying to find out
173
00:08:29,592 --> 00:08:32,852
and discover what
the cause of it was.
174
00:08:32,846 --> 00:08:36,806
It just had two large,
bright, intense red lights
175
00:08:36,808 --> 00:08:39,188
with a white light
in the center of it,
176
00:08:39,185 --> 00:08:41,395
and it had two military jets
behind it,
177
00:08:41,396 --> 00:08:43,936
which everybody saw in town
the jets.
178
00:08:43,940 --> 00:08:45,070
They was running full throttle,
179
00:08:45,066 --> 00:08:46,936
but they wasn't able
to catch it.
180
00:08:46,943 --> 00:08:47,943
CLAUDETTE ODAM:
There were fighter jets
181
00:08:47,944 --> 00:08:49,324
chasing those lights.
182
00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,740
And the jets couldn't
keep up with them.
183
00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:55,790
And then it just left,
it was gone. That fast.
184
00:08:55,785 --> 00:08:57,695
PRODUCER:
What do you think it was?
185
00:08:57,704 --> 00:08:58,754
ODAM: I don't know what it was,
186
00:08:58,747 --> 00:09:01,287
but I know it wasn't
an airplane.
187
00:09:01,291 --> 00:09:03,751
♪ ♪
188
00:09:03,752 --> 00:09:06,502
ALLEN: After that, I spoke to
probably 200 or 300 people
189
00:09:06,504 --> 00:09:07,964
that witnessed it.
190
00:09:07,964 --> 00:09:12,014
Business owners,
city councilmen, policemen.
191
00:09:12,010 --> 00:09:16,560
But no one could say
what we saw that night.
192
00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:19,176
So I called
the Stephenville Empire-Tribune
193
00:09:19,184 --> 00:09:21,984
to see if anybody may
have got a visual on it.
194
00:09:21,978 --> 00:09:24,808
The editor directed me
to a newspaper reporter
195
00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:27,484
named Angelia Joiner.
196
00:09:27,484 --> 00:09:29,614
She interviewed me
over the phone,
197
00:09:29,611 --> 00:09:31,911
and she started digging deep
198
00:09:31,905 --> 00:09:34,735
to help find out
what we was seeing.
199
00:09:34,741 --> 00:09:37,661
She was hell-bent
to find out the truth.
200
00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:44,579
♪ ♪
201
00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:46,384
SARA VANDEN BERGE:
My name is Sara Vanden Berge,
202
00:09:46,377 --> 00:09:49,127
and I was the managing editor of
the Stephenville Empire-Tribune
203
00:09:49,130 --> 00:09:51,470
for 14 years.
204
00:09:51,466 --> 00:09:54,216
In 2008, Steve Allen and
a couple of his friends
205
00:09:54,219 --> 00:09:57,259
saw some suspicious lights, and
they called into the newsroom
206
00:09:57,263 --> 00:09:59,973
and talked to Angelia Joiner.
207
00:09:59,974 --> 00:10:03,354
Angelia Joiner was one of my
reporters at the Empire-Tribune.
208
00:10:03,353 --> 00:10:07,693
Sadly, Angelia passed away
of COVID last year.
209
00:10:07,690 --> 00:10:11,530
Angelia was a super fun person,
but she took her job seriously.
210
00:10:11,528 --> 00:10:12,988
Good writer, she was thorough,
211
00:10:12,987 --> 00:10:14,987
she was, she was
a good reporter.
212
00:10:14,989 --> 00:10:16,739
ANGELIA JOINER: Steve Allen
called me and said,
213
00:10:16,741 --> 00:10:18,491
"Hey, I got a story for ya."
214
00:10:18,493 --> 00:10:20,453
And I could tell
by talking to him,
215
00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:22,583
you know, the way
his voice changed
216
00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:27,840
and his inflections changed,
and, and he was just so sincere
217
00:10:27,836 --> 00:10:30,756
when he was describing it to me,
218
00:10:30,755 --> 00:10:32,415
I knew this guy saw something.
219
00:10:32,423 --> 00:10:35,683
He really saw something big.
220
00:10:35,677 --> 00:10:37,177
VANDEN BERGE:
After Steve Allen called,
221
00:10:37,178 --> 00:10:38,508
she pitched the story
to me and said,
222
00:10:38,513 --> 00:10:40,063
"Here's what's happened,
what do you think?"
223
00:10:40,056 --> 00:10:42,096
PRODUCER: Did you have any
concern at that point
224
00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:43,430
about reporting on this?
225
00:10:43,434 --> 00:10:44,644
VANDEN BERGE: Yeah, it just
seems like, you know,
226
00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:46,064
it's the thought of
the little green men
227
00:10:46,062 --> 00:10:47,402
coming out of the spaceship.
228
00:10:47,397 --> 00:10:50,977
It was sort of
tabloid-ish to me.
229
00:10:50,984 --> 00:10:52,574
That was my concern
as a journalist
230
00:10:52,569 --> 00:10:54,069
who wanted to be
taken seriously.
231
00:10:54,070 --> 00:10:55,570
I was afraid that, you know,
232
00:10:55,572 --> 00:10:58,162
this would somehow
taint my reputation.
233
00:10:58,158 --> 00:11:01,078
So, I said put something
together and pitch it to me
234
00:11:01,077 --> 00:11:03,077
tomorrow evening when
I get back to the office,
235
00:11:03,079 --> 00:11:05,039
and then we'll talk about it.
236
00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:06,879
JOINER: This sighting
was like right here
237
00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:09,245
in our core readership area,
and I thought, you know,
238
00:11:09,252 --> 00:11:10,632
the readers are gonna like this,
239
00:11:10,628 --> 00:11:12,168
they're gonna really like this.
240
00:11:12,172 --> 00:11:16,132
So, and the people, they, they
know the people in the story,
241
00:11:16,134 --> 00:11:17,554
that's another thing.
242
00:11:17,552 --> 00:11:21,932
So that was another reason
I went ahead and did it.
243
00:11:21,931 --> 00:11:22,931
PRODUCER: Do you, uh...
244
00:11:22,932 --> 00:11:25,392
JOINER: And the editor
left early.
245
00:11:25,393 --> 00:11:27,773
(laughs)
You have to cut that part!
246
00:11:27,770 --> 00:11:29,230
But she did!
247
00:11:29,230 --> 00:11:31,520
(laughs)
248
00:11:34,068 --> 00:11:35,318
VANDEN BERGE: Next morning,
at the end of my driveway
249
00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,400
was the paper.
250
00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:39,784
I picked it up,
and across the top had
251
00:11:39,782 --> 00:11:43,542
"UFO Sightings in Erath County"
in like 72-point font.
252
00:11:43,536 --> 00:11:45,036
It was just huge.
253
00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:47,328
After I had left for the day,
the publisher and Angelia
254
00:11:47,332 --> 00:11:50,592
redid the front page and went
to press, and I had no idea.
255
00:11:50,585 --> 00:11:52,375
I almost had a nervous breakdown
right then.
256
00:11:52,378 --> 00:11:53,918
I could not believe that, um,
257
00:11:53,922 --> 00:11:56,172
that that had happened
overnight.
258
00:11:56,174 --> 00:11:59,054
Two hours into my day,
I got a call from the publisher.
259
00:11:59,052 --> 00:12:00,472
She said,
"Things are blowing up.
260
00:12:00,470 --> 00:12:02,850
We've sold out of all
the papers we've had."
261
00:12:02,847 --> 00:12:04,137
That was my first indication
262
00:12:04,140 --> 00:12:06,810
like, wow, people are
really interested in this.
263
00:12:06,809 --> 00:12:08,599
KIDS: You need to get
a helmet, ma'am!
264
00:12:08,603 --> 00:12:10,023
You need to get a helmet.
265
00:12:10,021 --> 00:12:12,481
VANDEN BERGE: It generated
a lot of excitement here.
266
00:12:12,482 --> 00:12:15,192
A lot of businesses had
T-shirts made and sold those,
267
00:12:15,193 --> 00:12:17,903
and the high school kids
had fun with it.
268
00:12:17,904 --> 00:12:19,614
MAN: Stephenville
may be typical,
269
00:12:19,614 --> 00:12:21,994
but what's happening
in the skies above it
270
00:12:21,991 --> 00:12:23,791
is a whole 'nother story.
271
00:12:23,785 --> 00:12:26,245
JOINER: It kind of is the talk
of the town right now.
272
00:12:26,246 --> 00:12:27,866
MAN: Angelia Joiner
is a reporter
273
00:12:27,872 --> 00:12:29,332
with the town's newspaper.
274
00:12:29,332 --> 00:12:30,922
She's now on the strangest
275
00:12:30,917 --> 00:12:34,377
and possibly the biggest
story of her life.
276
00:12:34,379 --> 00:12:36,089
VANDEN BERGE: It went from
this little story
277
00:12:36,089 --> 00:12:41,759
to this huge, out of control,
worldwide frenzy.
278
00:12:41,761 --> 00:12:44,471
ALLEN: I started getting phone
calls from all over the world:
279
00:12:44,472 --> 00:12:47,062
Brazil, Japan, England.
280
00:12:47,058 --> 00:12:48,308
And the next thing you know,
281
00:12:48,309 --> 00:12:52,019
CNN, and quite a few other
TV things showed up
282
00:12:52,021 --> 00:12:54,441
and wanted our story.
283
00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,990
KEAN: What's notable about
the Stephenville case,
284
00:12:56,985 --> 00:12:59,355
and other cases that
are similar to that,
285
00:12:59,362 --> 00:13:01,412
is that despite
the numbers of witnesses
286
00:13:01,406 --> 00:13:04,116
seeing these gigantic craft,
287
00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:07,867
nobody in positions of authority
came to investigate.
288
00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:11,330
That's in contrast to what was
going on in the '40s and '50s
289
00:13:11,332 --> 00:13:12,882
where there was
an Air Force program
290
00:13:12,875 --> 00:13:15,795
and they would
investigate cases.
291
00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:20,971
NEWSCASTER: Here is a picture
that was released just today.
292
00:13:20,967 --> 00:13:23,297
It shows four luminous objects
in formation
293
00:13:23,302 --> 00:13:26,012
in the sky over
Salem, Massachusetts.
294
00:13:26,014 --> 00:13:28,814
Now here on this map
are pinpointed locations
295
00:13:28,808 --> 00:13:31,388
where some 30 saucers
have been sighted
296
00:13:31,394 --> 00:13:34,154
and are still unexplained.
297
00:13:38,318 --> 00:13:42,108
O'CONNELL: In 1949, the military
started looking into
298
00:13:42,113 --> 00:13:43,913
all these stacks
of UFO reports
299
00:13:43,906 --> 00:13:47,236
that the Air Force
was receiving.
300
00:13:47,243 --> 00:13:49,413
MAN: Headquarters United States
Air Force has issued
301
00:13:49,412 --> 00:13:54,582
a directive for a detailed study
of flying disc reports.
302
00:13:54,584 --> 00:13:57,594
KEAN: The program was initially
called Project Sign,
303
00:13:57,587 --> 00:14:00,417
then became Project Grudge,
304
00:14:00,423 --> 00:14:04,343
and then it was named
Project Blue Book.
305
00:14:05,595 --> 00:14:07,095
O'CONNELL: Project Blue Book
was operated
306
00:14:07,096 --> 00:14:13,306
out of the dingiest office at
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
307
00:14:13,311 --> 00:14:17,521
They had a malfunctioning coffee
pot, they had a couple desks,
308
00:14:17,523 --> 00:14:20,823
they had a big map up
on the wall, and that was it.
309
00:14:20,818 --> 00:14:23,278
But they just had a system down.
310
00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:26,239
MELLON: Project Blue Book
started as a good faith effort
311
00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,750
by the government to collect
reports and investigate UFOs.
312
00:14:31,746 --> 00:14:34,456
When there were big cases, they
would sometimes dispatch someone
313
00:14:34,457 --> 00:14:36,957
to interview the witnesses.
314
00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:38,209
O'CONNELL: The Air Force
was pretty open
315
00:14:38,211 --> 00:14:39,591
about Project Blue Book.
316
00:14:57,814 --> 00:15:00,324
O'CONNELL: Alongside
the military employees,
317
00:15:00,316 --> 00:15:01,976
the Air Force felt
that they needed
318
00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:07,874
a credible scientific opinion
to support their research.
319
00:15:07,865 --> 00:15:09,775
INTERVIEWER: Is it in
the realm of possibility
320
00:15:09,784 --> 00:15:14,624
that there are spaceships
someplace in this universe?
321
00:15:14,622 --> 00:15:16,582
HYNEK: Well, if you
put it in the word,
322
00:15:16,582 --> 00:15:19,172
use the word "possibility"
and not "probability,"
323
00:15:19,168 --> 00:15:20,418
then I would have to say,
324
00:15:20,419 --> 00:15:22,879
I think as any scientist
would have to say,
325
00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,430
it is certainly possible, yes.
326
00:15:26,425 --> 00:15:30,175
O'CONNELL: J. Allen Hynek was a
mild-mannered college professor
327
00:15:30,179 --> 00:15:32,309
from Ohio State University.
328
00:15:32,306 --> 00:15:35,556
His job was to go through
all these stacks of UFO reports
329
00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,350
that the Air Force was receiving
330
00:15:37,353 --> 00:15:40,653
and try to find out
what's going on.
331
00:15:40,648 --> 00:15:42,438
MELLON:
Project Blue Book examined
332
00:15:42,441 --> 00:15:46,111
over 12,000 UFO sightings,
333
00:15:46,112 --> 00:15:48,242
many of them bore
a striking resemblance
334
00:15:48,239 --> 00:15:50,739
to what we're seeing today.
335
00:15:50,741 --> 00:15:54,751
Crafts with a similar shape,
sometimes the same color,
336
00:15:54,745 --> 00:15:57,665
hovering, then shooting off
instantaneously
337
00:15:57,665 --> 00:15:59,575
at hypersonic speeds.
338
00:15:59,584 --> 00:16:03,554
Multiple, multiple cases
like that.
339
00:16:03,546 --> 00:16:05,716
O'CONNELL: While working
for Project Blue Book,
340
00:16:05,715 --> 00:16:09,635
Hynek noticed that he was able
to explain 80% of cases.
341
00:16:09,635 --> 00:16:14,425
But he also noticed that there
was about a 20% residue of cases
342
00:16:14,432 --> 00:16:17,312
that he hadn't been able
to explain away.
343
00:16:17,310 --> 00:16:20,190
RODEGHIER: Allen Hynek
came into the UFO project
344
00:16:20,188 --> 00:16:23,568
with the attitude which is,
there's nothing to UFOs,
345
00:16:23,566 --> 00:16:26,186
but he was a good enough
scientist to say,
346
00:16:26,194 --> 00:16:27,704
"Wait a minute,
347
00:16:27,695 --> 00:16:31,235
I'm seeing reports here that
are not easily explainable."
348
00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,200
O'CONNELL: The Air Force
and their UFO study project
349
00:16:34,202 --> 00:16:36,622
may have been making
an honest effort
350
00:16:36,621 --> 00:16:39,461
to clear the air
about the phenomenon.
351
00:16:39,457 --> 00:16:41,877
Unfortunately,
it didn't last too long,
352
00:16:41,876 --> 00:16:45,376
simply because they were just
overwhelmed with reports.
353
00:17:03,481 --> 00:17:04,981
MAN: This is the Kremlin.
354
00:17:04,982 --> 00:17:08,652
Russia today is regarded as
a grave threat to our nation,
355
00:17:08,653 --> 00:17:11,743
to our freedom,
to the peace of the world.
356
00:17:11,739 --> 00:17:16,079
♪ ♪
357
00:17:16,077 --> 00:17:17,497
KEAN: In the '40s and '50s,
358
00:17:17,495 --> 00:17:20,665
tensions with Russia
were building.
359
00:17:20,665 --> 00:17:22,825
MELLON: The Cold War was
so intense at that point,
360
00:17:22,833 --> 00:17:25,093
so there was a genuine concern
361
00:17:25,086 --> 00:17:28,876
that the UFO phenomenon
could be exploited.
362
00:17:28,881 --> 00:17:30,761
RODEGHIER: The US government
felt adversaries
363
00:17:30,758 --> 00:17:32,838
could hoax UFO sightings
364
00:17:32,843 --> 00:17:35,603
and then clog up
our reporting channels
365
00:17:35,596 --> 00:17:37,516
and then have a surprise attack.
366
00:17:37,515 --> 00:17:39,675
So the idea was that
the UFO problem
367
00:17:39,684 --> 00:17:41,694
was not a security problem
as such,
368
00:17:41,686 --> 00:17:44,556
meaning aliens aren't going
to land and, and attack us.
369
00:17:44,564 --> 00:17:48,034
What the UFO problem was,
it was a sociological problem,
370
00:17:48,025 --> 00:17:52,775
and it was one that demanded
a different approach.
371
00:17:52,780 --> 00:17:54,820
NARRATOR:
The CIA entered the picture
372
00:17:54,824 --> 00:17:57,124
by convening a panel
of top scientists
373
00:17:57,118 --> 00:17:59,038
to examine UFO phenomenon.
374
00:17:59,036 --> 00:18:03,286
The thinking was that the enemy
could exploit UFOs as a decoy
375
00:18:03,291 --> 00:18:06,421
in the preparation for
an attack on the United States.
376
00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:08,049
Five outstanding scientists
377
00:18:08,045 --> 00:18:11,335
and various Air Force and CIA
representatives were to meet.
378
00:18:11,340 --> 00:18:15,640
Among the panel members
was J. Allen Hynek.
379
00:18:15,636 --> 00:18:19,596
MELLON: In 1953,
the Central Intelligence Agency
380
00:18:19,598 --> 00:18:24,188
formed a scientific panel led
by a highly regarded scientist
381
00:18:24,186 --> 00:18:28,266
named Robertson to examine this
phenomenon and its implications.
382
00:18:28,274 --> 00:18:32,194
KEAN: The Robertson Panel was a
group of hand-picked scientists
383
00:18:32,194 --> 00:18:35,164
who came together to try
to determine a way
384
00:18:35,156 --> 00:18:38,986
to damp down
public interest in UFOs.
385
00:18:38,993 --> 00:18:40,543
O'CONNELL: Dr. Hynek was
actually brought in
386
00:18:40,536 --> 00:18:44,826
to be a consulting witness
to the Robertson Panel.
387
00:18:44,832 --> 00:18:48,542
HYNEK: The panel members
were seated around this table.
388
00:18:48,544 --> 00:18:52,474
It was a rather somber and
impressive occasion, actually.
389
00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:55,175
O'CONNELL: The mission given
by the Robertson Panel
390
00:18:55,176 --> 00:19:01,806
was essentially to make people
stop filing UFO reports.
391
00:19:01,807 --> 00:19:05,767
KEAN: They proposed two methods
to damp down public enthusiasm.
392
00:19:05,770 --> 00:19:08,520
One was through debunking.
393
00:19:08,522 --> 00:19:10,982
The second one
was through education,
394
00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:12,863
teaching people to explain UFOs
395
00:19:12,860 --> 00:19:16,490
in other ways than
something extraordinary.
396
00:19:16,489 --> 00:19:20,449
It was an extremely important
moment in the evolution
397
00:19:20,451 --> 00:19:24,501
of how government was going
to engage with this topic.
398
00:19:24,497 --> 00:19:28,247
This became the launch of taboo
on a more official level,
399
00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:32,090
where it was becoming
policy in a way.
400
00:19:32,088 --> 00:19:35,338
Ridicule became sanctioned.
401
00:19:35,341 --> 00:19:38,971
The Robertson Panel conclusion
seemed to have a big impact
402
00:19:38,969 --> 00:19:40,679
on Project Blue Book.
403
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,020
The project began to dismiss
as many cases as possible
404
00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:47,766
and provide sometimes
ridiculous explanations for them
405
00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:51,650
just to have an answer
and make them go away.
406
00:19:51,649 --> 00:19:53,529
O'CONNELL: Hynek's job
became going through
407
00:19:53,526 --> 00:19:55,066
all these UFO reports
408
00:19:55,069 --> 00:19:57,989
and explain them away
as natural occurrences.
409
00:19:57,988 --> 00:20:02,788
Comet, meteor, shooting star,
sun dog, eclipse.
410
00:20:02,785 --> 00:20:06,825
HYNEK: I would say the great
majority are balloons, meteors,
411
00:20:06,831 --> 00:20:10,841
satellites, aircraft seen with
the sun glinting off of them.
412
00:20:10,835 --> 00:20:15,205
Generally, quite usual things
seen under unusual circumstances
413
00:20:15,214 --> 00:20:17,134
or surprising circumstances.
414
00:20:17,133 --> 00:20:19,803
RODEGHIER: Dr. Hynek did his job
very thoroughly.
415
00:20:19,802 --> 00:20:23,352
Allen was a fellow trying
to please the Air Force
416
00:20:23,347 --> 00:20:26,057
and what they wanted.
417
00:20:26,058 --> 00:20:27,768
O'CONNELL: Hynek would have
a bunch of reports
418
00:20:27,768 --> 00:20:29,058
dropped on his desk,
419
00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:31,941
and he would explain
them all away.
420
00:20:31,939 --> 00:20:35,649
If a report said
"probable airliner,"
421
00:20:35,651 --> 00:20:38,571
they would cross out "probable"
and just say "airliner,"
422
00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:40,031
and that's what the witness saw.
423
00:20:40,030 --> 00:20:43,990
It was kind of an insult to the,
to the, to the intelligence
424
00:20:43,993 --> 00:20:46,163
of the American people.
425
00:20:46,162 --> 00:20:48,712
Hynek had taken the job
for the extra money.
426
00:20:48,706 --> 00:20:52,036
Struggling young professional
with a growing family,
427
00:20:52,042 --> 00:20:54,252
of course he's not gonna
turn down work.
428
00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:55,803
RODEGHIER:
But behind the scenes,
429
00:20:55,796 --> 00:21:00,546
Hynek gradually realized that
this was a scientific problem.
430
00:21:00,551 --> 00:21:04,261
But he wouldn't go out
and state it publicly.
431
00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:07,483
He didn't want to do that,
because it would have been
432
00:21:07,475 --> 00:21:11,555
what the Air Force
didn't want him to do.
433
00:21:11,562 --> 00:21:13,732
KEAN: Even though
it took place in 1953,
434
00:21:13,731 --> 00:21:15,771
the Robertson Panel
was so potent
435
00:21:15,774 --> 00:21:19,154
in terms of its desire
to clamp down, to ridicule,
436
00:21:19,153 --> 00:21:20,743
to debunk, and to, quote,
437
00:21:20,738 --> 00:21:24,238
"educate people to interpret
UFOs in other ways,"
438
00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:26,541
its legacy carried on
through the decades,
439
00:21:26,535 --> 00:21:29,075
and it impacted cases
like Stephenville
440
00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:31,869
and other cases of the time.
441
00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:35,085
WOMAN: Alright, stand by!
442
00:21:36,754 --> 00:21:39,634
KING: Last week, several people
in Stephenville, Texas,
443
00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:41,932
a small, rural town
of about 15,000,
444
00:21:41,926 --> 00:21:44,756
witnessed what many
are calling a UFO.
445
00:21:44,762 --> 00:21:46,682
In Selden, Texas,
is Steve Allen.
446
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,890
Also there is Angelia Joiner,
447
00:21:48,891 --> 00:21:50,731
staff writer for
the Empire-Tribune,
448
00:21:50,726 --> 00:21:52,726
the local newspaper
in Stephenville.
449
00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:55,608
Angelia, what are some witnesses
telling you?
450
00:21:55,606 --> 00:21:57,606
JOINER: The thing that I hear
over and over and over
451
00:21:57,608 --> 00:21:59,528
is how bright the lights were,
452
00:21:59,527 --> 00:22:05,487
so I think there's been a lot
of consistency in the spottings.
453
00:22:05,491 --> 00:22:08,581
ALLEN: It was Angelia
that started digging deep.
454
00:22:08,577 --> 00:22:11,707
She was hell-bent on trying
to find out what we saw
455
00:22:11,705 --> 00:22:13,665
and what happened.
456
00:22:13,666 --> 00:22:17,836
And it almost consumed her.
457
00:22:17,836 --> 00:22:21,046
MELLON: The incredible thing
about the Stephenville sightings
458
00:22:21,048 --> 00:22:25,088
was that witnesses reported
seeing F-16 fighters
459
00:22:25,094 --> 00:22:27,054
pursuing this object.
460
00:22:27,054 --> 00:22:29,314
ODAM: I heard this
really, really loud noise.
461
00:22:29,306 --> 00:22:31,346
And I ran out the front door,
462
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:34,440
and there were fighter jets
chasing those lights.
463
00:22:34,436 --> 00:22:37,186
ALLEN: Angelia wanted to know
what the Air Force knew
464
00:22:37,189 --> 00:22:39,939
about the two F-16s
and what we saw.
465
00:22:39,942 --> 00:22:44,112
She got in touch with the naval
air station in Fort Worth
466
00:22:44,113 --> 00:22:47,243
and talked to
a Major Karl Lewis.
467
00:22:47,241 --> 00:22:49,791
And Major Karl Lewis said
we didn't have any aircraft
468
00:22:49,785 --> 00:22:52,655
in your area at that time.
469
00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:57,384
I feel like we wasn't
given the truth,
470
00:22:57,376 --> 00:22:59,916
and the military didn't seem
like they was interested
471
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,170
in any questions.
472
00:23:02,172 --> 00:23:03,972
Then on about the tenth day,
473
00:23:03,966 --> 00:23:08,096
the military issued
a press release.
474
00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:10,505
WADE GOODWYN: Now in a plot line
that's out of The X-Files,
475
00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:14,024
Air Force officials are saying
they concede they had F-16s
476
00:23:14,018 --> 00:23:18,358
over Stephenville, Texas,
on the evening of January 8th.
477
00:23:18,355 --> 00:23:19,935
Major Karl Lewis says there was
478
00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:22,150
an internal
communications mistake.
479
00:23:30,326 --> 00:23:33,326
ALLEN: The plot thickened,
but the Air Force wouldn't say
480
00:23:33,329 --> 00:23:38,999
why they did in fact
have F-16s in the area.
481
00:23:39,001 --> 00:23:41,631
GOODWYN: Angelia Joiner says
that the Air Force's admission
482
00:23:41,629 --> 00:23:43,799
that it did indeed
have fighter jets,
483
00:23:43,797 --> 00:23:47,837
as reported by the witnesses,
bolsters their story all around.
484
00:23:47,843 --> 00:23:49,553
JOINER: Military coming out
with this at this point
485
00:23:49,553 --> 00:23:51,813
just is going to
fuel the fire for,
486
00:23:51,805 --> 00:23:55,845
okay, there is something
going on, now what is it?
487
00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:00,770
ALLEN: We thought their attempt
to try to explain it away
488
00:24:00,773 --> 00:24:03,443
was terribly strange.
489
00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:06,032
We had more questions
than answers.
490
00:24:10,324 --> 00:24:13,414
WALTER CRONKITE: UFO reports,
hoax or serious sightings,
491
00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:17,290
wind up here at Wright-Patterson
air field in Dayton, Ohio.
492
00:24:17,289 --> 00:24:21,289
The Air Force investigative unit
is known as Project Blue Book.
493
00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:23,553
MELLON: In the wake of
the Robertson Panel,
494
00:24:23,545 --> 00:24:25,585
Project Blue Book
was investigating
495
00:24:25,589 --> 00:24:27,009
these civilian reports
496
00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:30,047
as a way to tamp down
public concern.
497
00:24:30,052 --> 00:24:32,512
For example, in Michigan,
there were at one point
498
00:24:32,513 --> 00:24:36,393
a large number of sightings
by people in a community there.
499
00:24:36,392 --> 00:24:41,522
And Walter Cronkite, the arbiter
of truth for many Americans,
500
00:24:41,522 --> 00:24:42,982
covered the story.
501
00:24:42,982 --> 00:24:45,572
CRONKITE: The great
flying saucer mystery of 1966
502
00:24:45,567 --> 00:24:49,777
began here, near
Dexter, Michigan, late in March.
503
00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:52,240
FRANK MANNOR: As I turned around
to come back on the porch,
504
00:24:52,241 --> 00:24:58,121
I looked to the north of me,
and looked like a falling star,
505
00:24:58,122 --> 00:25:01,042
meteor, it was red
and kind of coming down.
506
00:25:01,041 --> 00:25:03,591
CRONKITE: Frank Mannor's UFO
remained over his swamp
507
00:25:03,585 --> 00:25:05,665
more than four hours.
508
00:25:05,671 --> 00:25:10,131
40 miles away, another swampland
and another UFO sighting.
509
00:25:10,134 --> 00:25:12,344
WOMAN: I believe I saw it,
but I can't fathom it,
510
00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:15,314
because it seems so unreal.
511
00:25:15,305 --> 00:25:17,305
O'CONNELL: This was
a huge national story.
512
00:25:17,307 --> 00:25:22,597
Everyone was demanding that
Blue Book solve the case.
513
00:25:22,604 --> 00:25:24,824
And so they called in Hynek.
514
00:25:24,815 --> 00:25:27,985
His Air Force Project Blue Book
boss said,
515
00:25:27,985 --> 00:25:31,105
"Get out there and
put a lid on this."
516
00:25:31,113 --> 00:25:33,373
CRONKITE: The Air Force sent
its chief scientific consultant
517
00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:35,985
on UFOs,
Professor J. Allen Hynek,
518
00:25:35,993 --> 00:25:38,163
to check the Michigan sightings.
519
00:25:38,162 --> 00:25:41,002
HYNEK: The illusion of motion
frequently is given by the fact
520
00:25:40,998 --> 00:25:44,838
that a little bit of swamp light
appears here, it goes out,
521
00:25:44,835 --> 00:25:46,915
another one appears over here,
that goes out,
522
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,590
and but the illusion
as viewed from a distance
523
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:52,130
is that the object has
moved back and forth.
524
00:25:52,134 --> 00:25:55,854
And sometimes this gas
will gather into a ball
525
00:25:55,846 --> 00:25:58,386
and actually float away.
526
00:25:58,390 --> 00:26:03,810
♪ ♪
527
00:26:03,812 --> 00:26:05,902
RODEGHIER: Allen made
an ill-fated remark about,
528
00:26:05,898 --> 00:26:09,818
"Well, some of these sightings
could be caused by swamp gas,"
529
00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:15,618
and the witnesses were, um,
upset to say the least.
530
00:26:15,616 --> 00:26:17,196
The people of Michigan
thought that Hynek
531
00:26:17,201 --> 00:26:19,121
was making fun of them,
532
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,369
that he thought they were
all loonies and kooks.
533
00:26:21,371 --> 00:26:24,121
And the whole thing
blew up in Hynek's face.
534
00:26:24,124 --> 00:26:27,174
MANNOR: They think you're a nut,
tell you the truth,
535
00:26:27,169 --> 00:26:29,049
that's just what
they figure you are,
536
00:26:29,046 --> 00:26:30,166
and I'm not gonna
take it no more,
537
00:26:30,172 --> 00:26:31,472
I don't want nobody
down in here.
538
00:26:31,465 --> 00:26:33,835
I just...leave me alone.
539
00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:36,512
KEAN: When Hynek came up with
the swamp gas explanation,
540
00:26:36,512 --> 00:26:39,562
we don't really know whether
he believed that or not.
541
00:26:39,556 --> 00:26:42,136
But we do know that he was
working for the Air Force,
542
00:26:42,142 --> 00:26:43,942
and they were committed
at that point
543
00:26:43,936 --> 00:26:47,306
to discrediting sightings
like this one.
544
00:26:47,314 --> 00:26:49,574
It was a real turning point
for the beginning
545
00:26:49,566 --> 00:26:53,526
of people really just
having had enough
546
00:26:53,529 --> 00:26:57,699
of these kinds of bogus
explanations for these events.
547
00:27:01,411 --> 00:27:03,041
Following the swamp gas
incident,
548
00:27:03,038 --> 00:27:04,958
the public was outraged,
549
00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:09,337
and even members of Congress
became involved.
550
00:27:09,336 --> 00:27:11,876
GERALD FORD: We've had
several incidents in Michigan
551
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,180
that many reliable citizens felt
were sufficient to justify
552
00:27:17,177 --> 00:27:19,297
some action by our government,
553
00:27:19,304 --> 00:27:24,184
and not the kind flippant answer
that was given by the Air Force
554
00:27:24,184 --> 00:27:27,864
where they passed it off
as swamp gas.
555
00:27:27,855 --> 00:27:30,395
RODEGHIER: Gerald Ford, who was
a congressman at the time
556
00:27:30,399 --> 00:27:33,109
in Michigan, decided
that his constituents
557
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:34,820
were not being taken seriously.
558
00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:37,450
KEAN: Gerald Ford listened
to his constituents
559
00:27:37,447 --> 00:27:40,487
and decided that he should call
for congressional hearings.
560
00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:43,702
FORD: I think the American
people would be more assured
561
00:27:43,704 --> 00:27:48,424
that there were or were not if
such a public hearing was held.
562
00:27:51,211 --> 00:27:53,921
KEAN: On April 5, 1966,
563
00:27:53,922 --> 00:27:56,382
Harold Brown,
the Secretary of the Air Force,
564
00:27:56,383 --> 00:28:00,183
and J. Allen Hynek walked
into the Capitol Building
565
00:28:00,178 --> 00:28:02,468
to answer questions about
566
00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:05,232
Blue Book's investigation
into UFOs.
567
00:28:05,225 --> 00:28:08,305
HAROLD BROWN: We have not
been hiding anything.
568
00:28:08,312 --> 00:28:11,822
The investigations
have been made public,
569
00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:15,815
the explanations of those, where
there is a clear explanation,
570
00:28:15,819 --> 00:28:17,489
have been made public.
571
00:28:17,487 --> 00:28:20,407
O'CONNELL: They brought in
the secretary of the Air Force,
572
00:28:20,407 --> 00:28:22,327
and he just stonewalled.
573
00:28:22,326 --> 00:28:25,286
And then it came to be
Hynek's turn to talk.
574
00:28:25,287 --> 00:28:28,077
He made his own statement that
he hadn't shared with anyone,
575
00:28:28,081 --> 00:28:32,791
and he said, "Look, we need to
sponsor a scientific study
576
00:28:32,794 --> 00:28:34,884
and tell us whether
this is something
577
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,130
we need to keep studying."
578
00:28:37,132 --> 00:28:39,722
REPORTER: How many really
mysterious incidents are there
579
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:42,508
that you'd like to go back
and look at again?
580
00:28:42,512 --> 00:28:44,182
HYNEK: Well, as I mentioned
in the hearings this morning,
581
00:28:44,181 --> 00:28:47,481
I have picked some 20 cases,
582
00:28:47,476 --> 00:28:49,096
I think those, I would recommend
583
00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:51,812
that they be looked at
quite closely.
584
00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:55,653
A scientists has to keep
open-minded on an investigation,
585
00:28:55,651 --> 00:28:57,821
a scientific one,
without fanfare,
586
00:28:57,819 --> 00:29:02,739
a quiet look at the data,
I think, is in order.
587
00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:04,491
KEAN: Hynek was
initially a skeptic,
588
00:29:04,493 --> 00:29:06,913
but as he went
through the years,
589
00:29:06,912 --> 00:29:10,792
he gradually learned that there
really is something to this.
590
00:29:10,791 --> 00:29:13,921
Hynek started to believe that
we could learn a lot more
591
00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:17,169
about the phenomenon through
better scientific study.
592
00:29:17,172 --> 00:29:20,682
And in fact that's what happened
in Stephenville, Texas.
593
00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:26,010
STEVE HUDGENS:
Good evening, everyone!
594
00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:27,184
My name is Steve Hudgens.
595
00:29:27,182 --> 00:29:29,642
I'm senior field investigator
for MUFON.
596
00:29:29,643 --> 00:29:32,523
We're down here to investigate
this extraordinary event.
597
00:29:32,521 --> 00:29:35,821
We have our section director
from Waco, Dave Fields,
598
00:29:35,816 --> 00:29:39,396
and Director of Research
Robert Powell.
599
00:29:39,403 --> 00:29:40,953
POWELL: My name is
Robert Powell.
600
00:29:40,946 --> 00:29:43,816
My educational background
is in chemistry,
601
00:29:43,824 --> 00:29:46,284
and I work in
the semiconductor industry
602
00:29:46,284 --> 00:29:48,834
as an engineering manager.
603
00:29:48,829 --> 00:29:53,039
Early January of 2008, I'm the
director of research at MUFON.
604
00:29:53,041 --> 00:29:57,711
The term MUFON stands for
Mutual UFO Network.
605
00:29:57,713 --> 00:30:01,053
I went up to Stephenville
with multiple investigators,
606
00:30:01,049 --> 00:30:04,759
and we began to interview
the witnesses.
607
00:30:04,761 --> 00:30:06,511
JOINER: Hey!
MAN: How are you?
608
00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:07,893
JOINER: I'm good, how are you?
609
00:30:07,889 --> 00:30:11,519
POWELL: I met several key people
such as Angelia Joiner,
610
00:30:11,518 --> 00:30:13,898
Steve Allen, and Lee Roy Gaitan.
611
00:30:13,895 --> 00:30:17,815
And Lee Roy just gave me
the best description
612
00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:21,446
of what happened
that day to him.
613
00:30:21,445 --> 00:30:23,855
LEE ROY GAITAN:
As I walk out to my car,
614
00:30:23,864 --> 00:30:30,204
I saw 10 to 12 bright,
fluorescent orbs.
615
00:30:30,203 --> 00:30:32,463
They're moving really quickly
and then they stop.
616
00:30:32,456 --> 00:30:34,666
And then all of a sudden,
they shoot off.
617
00:30:34,666 --> 00:30:37,706
But what was surprising,
as I'm still looking,
618
00:30:37,711 --> 00:30:43,091
probably 20, 30 seconds,
I hear two jets.
619
00:30:43,091 --> 00:30:45,641
POWELL: After interviewing
Lee Roy, the first thing
620
00:30:45,635 --> 00:30:50,925
I decided that I could do
was get radar data.
621
00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:54,642
Freedom of Information request
to the FAA,
622
00:30:54,644 --> 00:30:59,024
and I got that data back
after about six to eight weeks.
623
00:30:59,024 --> 00:31:00,484
And it was incredible.
624
00:31:05,155 --> 00:31:07,315
POWELL: Good morning.
My name's Robert Powell.
625
00:31:07,324 --> 00:31:08,584
I'm the director of research
626
00:31:08,575 --> 00:31:10,785
with the MUFON organization.
627
00:31:10,786 --> 00:31:14,706
We obtained radar data from the
Federal Aviation Administration
628
00:31:14,706 --> 00:31:16,536
in the Stephenville area.
629
00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:18,881
I talk about this a little bit
on the screen here.
630
00:31:18,877 --> 00:31:22,257
One of the first things I do
when I get the radar data,
631
00:31:22,255 --> 00:31:25,675
is I find the F-16s
and I match that, yes,
632
00:31:25,675 --> 00:31:30,465
that matches the time
they went by Lee Roy's home.
633
00:31:30,472 --> 00:31:33,982
Then I look on the radar data
for unknowns,
634
00:31:33,975 --> 00:31:38,725
and I find two miles south of
his home, just like he told me,
635
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:41,980
objects on radar that are
basically stationary,
636
00:31:41,983 --> 00:31:44,323
just like he said.
637
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:47,529
And then, the really
interesting part
638
00:31:47,531 --> 00:31:53,331
was, on radar, these objects
that were over his home,
639
00:31:53,328 --> 00:31:58,828
the next radar blip,
the object is to the northeast,
640
00:31:58,834 --> 00:32:03,714
towards Stephenville, and it had
traveled at a minimum speed
641
00:32:03,713 --> 00:32:06,423
of 1,900 miles per hour.
642
00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:09,894
And that is from stationary.
643
00:32:09,886 --> 00:32:12,426
There's no way for me
to know what it was.
644
00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:15,140
The only thing I can say
is what it was not.
645
00:32:15,142 --> 00:32:20,312
It was not any type of aircraft,
because no aircraft can hover
646
00:32:20,313 --> 00:32:25,783
and then move to a speed
of over 1,900 miles an hour
647
00:32:25,777 --> 00:32:29,867
at low altitude and then
stop and hover again.
648
00:32:29,865 --> 00:32:33,485
It's just not something
we have the ability to do.
649
00:32:33,493 --> 00:32:40,293
♪ ♪
650
00:32:40,292 --> 00:32:42,342
KEAN: There are so many
UFO sightings,
651
00:32:42,335 --> 00:32:45,915
and the vast majority of them
can be explained.
652
00:32:45,922 --> 00:32:48,472
But then there are those that
involve mass sightings
653
00:32:48,466 --> 00:32:51,926
of something really unusual,
and in those cases,
654
00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:56,558
people deserve an investigation
by the officials.
655
00:32:56,558 --> 00:32:59,018
O'CONNELL: In the aftermath
of the swamp gas case,
656
00:32:59,019 --> 00:33:03,229
the government decided to fund
a college research program
657
00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:05,731
of the UFO phenomenon.
658
00:33:05,734 --> 00:33:08,154
MELLON: At the time,
the Air Force was trying to find
659
00:33:08,153 --> 00:33:09,993
a way to get out
from under the burden
660
00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:13,448
of having to investigate UFOs
and comment on this.
661
00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:17,040
And so a scientific panel
was established
662
00:33:17,037 --> 00:33:20,117
to investigate and
assess the issue.
663
00:33:20,123 --> 00:33:22,133
It was led by
a Dr. Robert Condon.
664
00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:26,296
INTERVIEWER: The Air Force
has turned to
665
00:33:26,296 --> 00:33:28,256
the University of Colorado
666
00:33:28,256 --> 00:33:30,966
to investigate
unidentified flying objects.
667
00:33:30,967 --> 00:33:33,507
And they've asked
Dr. Edward U. Condon
668
00:33:33,511 --> 00:33:35,351
to head the project.
669
00:33:35,347 --> 00:33:37,517
How do you propose
to go about studying
670
00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:39,225
this particular phenomenon?
671
00:33:39,226 --> 00:33:40,976
EDWARD CONDON: We'll pick
certain selected cases
672
00:33:40,977 --> 00:33:44,857
that seem specially interesting
and, and go out and try to learn
673
00:33:44,856 --> 00:33:48,646
more about them and those few
in greater depth.
674
00:33:48,652 --> 00:33:49,952
RODEGHIER: The guy
who was leading it,
675
00:33:49,945 --> 00:33:51,565
Professor Edward Condon,
676
00:33:51,571 --> 00:33:55,201
had no interest in the subject
and had to be talked into it.
677
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,080
So, you have a professor who was
not looking to do a project,
678
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:02,999
that was given the project,
and things didn't go well.
679
00:34:02,999 --> 00:34:06,919
KEAN: They reviewed 59 cases
and wrote them up in a study
680
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,550
that was close to 1,000 pages.
681
00:34:10,548 --> 00:34:13,468
One of the events they covered
was the McMinnville incident
682
00:34:13,468 --> 00:34:16,178
in 1950, where the farmer
and his wife
683
00:34:16,179 --> 00:34:18,769
took a photograph
of a disk-shaped object
684
00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:20,975
that came over their farm.
685
00:34:20,976 --> 00:34:23,056
MELLON: The McMinnville
photograph
686
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:26,861
taken by a poor rural couple
in a remote area
687
00:34:26,856 --> 00:34:28,816
who didn't seek any press,
688
00:34:28,817 --> 00:34:33,197
and it showed a UFO very clearly
in black and white,
689
00:34:33,196 --> 00:34:37,446
maybe 200, 300 yards away.
690
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:38,700
KEAN: Here's what
the Condon Report said
691
00:34:38,702 --> 00:34:41,162
about the McMinnville sighting:
692
00:34:41,162 --> 00:34:43,502
"This is one of the few
UFO reports
693
00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:45,878
in which all factors
investigated,
694
00:34:45,875 --> 00:34:48,875
geometric, psychological
and physical,
695
00:34:48,878 --> 00:34:51,338
appear to be consistent
with the assertion
696
00:34:51,339 --> 00:34:53,879
that an extraordinary
flying object
697
00:34:53,883 --> 00:34:56,683
flew within sight
of two witnesses."
698
00:34:56,678 --> 00:35:00,718
And there were other cases
they described in similar ways.
699
00:35:00,724 --> 00:35:02,564
O'CONNELL:
When the final report came out,
700
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:06,559
the main body of the report
was open to the possibility
701
00:35:06,563 --> 00:35:09,113
that UFOs might be real,
702
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,187
but the final summary
of the report
703
00:35:11,192 --> 00:35:14,702
was written by
Dr. Condon himself.
704
00:35:14,696 --> 00:35:16,446
Dr. Condon said,
"It's time for the government
705
00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:18,868
to just wash its hands
of this whole thing."
706
00:35:18,867 --> 00:35:22,867
That's about the only thing
most people read.
707
00:35:22,871 --> 00:35:26,171
MELLON: The Condon Report
concluded in 1969,
708
00:35:26,166 --> 00:35:28,876
this was not a threat
to national security.
709
00:35:28,877 --> 00:35:31,957
There was no indication of
extraterrestrial connection,
710
00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:34,423
and there was likely no benefit
scientifically
711
00:35:34,424 --> 00:35:37,764
from continuing to
study this phenomenon.
712
00:35:40,055 --> 00:35:43,805
Dr. Robert Condon was somebody
that was strenuously opposed
713
00:35:43,808 --> 00:35:47,938
to the idea that UFOs could be
alien craft of any kind,
714
00:35:47,937 --> 00:35:51,357
so from the outset
he had his mind made up.
715
00:35:51,358 --> 00:35:54,438
Word is that Dr. Condon himself
didn't even bother to read
716
00:35:54,444 --> 00:35:58,954
the report or review the data,
he just wrote his conclusion,
717
00:35:58,948 --> 00:36:02,658
because that's what
the Air Force wanted to hear.
718
00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:05,620
KEAN: Condon was definitely
the nail in the coffin
719
00:36:05,622 --> 00:36:07,252
for Project Blue Book.
720
00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:09,458
The Air Force had been involved
with looking into UFOs
721
00:36:09,459 --> 00:36:11,669
for more than 15 years.
722
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:15,380
They were inundated by
these reports, frustrated,
723
00:36:15,382 --> 00:36:19,432
and just wanted to be done
with the whole thing.
724
00:36:19,427 --> 00:36:20,847
MELLON: The result was
the Air Force said,
725
00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:23,215
"Well, we don't need
to follow this anymore."
726
00:36:23,223 --> 00:36:28,603
So they used that as a rationale
to close down Project Blue Book.
727
00:36:28,603 --> 00:36:31,483
Shortly thereafter,
Dr. Allen Hynek
728
00:36:31,481 --> 00:36:33,231
renounced the whole process
729
00:36:33,233 --> 00:36:35,693
and, and the way
the Air Force handled it.
730
00:36:35,694 --> 00:36:38,574
KRESKIN: Some of us who followed
this whole phenomena
731
00:36:38,571 --> 00:36:41,201
became interested
in the Condon Report.
732
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:42,529
What's your feeling about that?
733
00:36:42,534 --> 00:36:44,294
HYNEK: Well, my feeling is that
the Condon Report
734
00:36:44,285 --> 00:36:45,825
was a travesty on science.
735
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:47,829
KRESKIN: You don't feel it
presented a fair picture?
736
00:36:47,831 --> 00:36:51,751
HYNEK: Condon committee was
unable to explain one quarter
737
00:36:51,751 --> 00:36:54,251
of the cases that were submitted
that they studied.
738
00:36:58,091 --> 00:37:00,341
ANNOUNCER: Our guest tonight
is one of the world's foremost
739
00:37:00,343 --> 00:37:03,353
authorities on
unidentified flying objects.
740
00:37:03,346 --> 00:37:06,056
Dr. J. Allen Hynek!
741
00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:12,897
(applause)
742
00:37:12,897 --> 00:37:16,817
O'CONNELL: When Project
Blue Book is shut down in 1970,
743
00:37:16,818 --> 00:37:21,108
it freed Hynek to say and do
whatever he wanted
744
00:37:21,114 --> 00:37:23,494
where UFOs were concerned.
745
00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:26,911
Dr. Hynek worked nearly two
decades on Project Blue Book,
746
00:37:26,911 --> 00:37:29,001
and during that time,
747
00:37:28,997 --> 00:37:31,917
in the data that
Project Blue Book had collected,
748
00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:33,286
the cases were still
breaking down
749
00:37:33,293 --> 00:37:36,253
in that very same 80/20 ratio.
750
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:38,674
He was able to explain
80% of them away.
751
00:37:38,673 --> 00:37:41,303
He was not able to explain
20% of them.
752
00:37:41,301 --> 00:37:43,721
And now he started
to worry about that.
753
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:46,180
He was a scientist,
and he saw a trend,
754
00:37:46,181 --> 00:37:49,021
and he thought that
might mean something.
755
00:37:49,017 --> 00:37:50,727
HYNEK: If these things
didn't fit patterns,
756
00:37:50,727 --> 00:37:52,397
then there's no way
of studying it.
757
00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:56,145
But when you get reports from
Australia, Japan, France,
758
00:37:56,149 --> 00:37:58,569
then you have to say, well,
either there's a virus
759
00:37:58,568 --> 00:38:01,068
going around that's causing
everybody to become crazy
760
00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:04,450
at the same time,
or there's something to it.
761
00:38:04,449 --> 00:38:07,079
O'CONNELL: Hynek was finally
free to start investigating
762
00:38:07,076 --> 00:38:10,996
what UFOs are
in any way he wanted.
763
00:38:10,997 --> 00:38:14,127
♪ ♪
764
00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:21,125
♪ ♪
765
00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:22,882
KEAN: I'm so glad you're doing
what you're doing.
766
00:38:22,884 --> 00:38:23,934
'Cause there aren't
that many reporters
767
00:38:23,927 --> 00:38:25,507
that take this seriously.
768
00:38:25,512 --> 00:38:27,312
JOINER: Yeah!
KEAN: I'm glad you're doing it.
769
00:38:27,305 --> 00:38:28,885
JOINER: I've gotten
tons of people,
770
00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:30,270
you know, they walk up to me
771
00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:33,436
and say, "Thank you for
reporting it as straight news."
772
00:38:33,436 --> 00:38:37,396
And then I think they just,
it was their news judgment,
773
00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:38,688
the publisher and the editor,
774
00:38:38,691 --> 00:38:40,821
that, okay, we don't want
any more of this,
775
00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:42,448
let's get back to normal.
776
00:38:42,445 --> 00:38:43,945
KEAN: Some people said
you were fired.
777
00:38:43,947 --> 00:38:46,197
Some people said, well, you
kind of wanted to leave anyway.
778
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:47,699
So, what was the actual story?
779
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:49,080
JOINER: I had given my notice.
780
00:38:49,077 --> 00:38:51,997
They--I was asked not to cover
anything else on UFOs.
781
00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:55,286
I came in, my computer was gone,
my Rolodex was gone,
782
00:38:55,291 --> 00:38:57,671
and, uh, called to
the publisher's office,
783
00:38:57,669 --> 00:39:00,509
and it wasn't a pleasant scene,
784
00:39:00,505 --> 00:39:04,465
and they asked me
to pack and go, so I did.
785
00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:06,087
KEAN: Thanks for
talking with me.
786
00:39:06,094 --> 00:39:09,934
VANDEN BERGE: Sadly when Angelia
left, we never spoke again.
787
00:39:09,931 --> 00:39:13,561
I hate that that story really
divided us, but it did.
788
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,770
She just could not get back
to doing her regular reporting.
789
00:39:18,773 --> 00:39:20,903
It took over her life.
790
00:39:23,278 --> 00:39:24,318
JOINER: I thought, you know,
791
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,740
the readers are
gonna like this,
792
00:39:25,738 --> 00:39:27,198
they're gonna really like this.
793
00:39:27,198 --> 00:39:29,618
So that was another reason
I went ahead and did it.
794
00:39:29,617 --> 00:39:32,117
And the editor left early.
795
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,870
(laughs)
You have to cut that part.
796
00:39:33,872 --> 00:39:35,332
But she did!
797
00:39:35,331 --> 00:39:37,751
VANDEN BERGE: I have never
seen this, that's hilarious.
798
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:40,710
You know, it's funny
to see that, um...
799
00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:47,429
Sorry, I just, I haven't seen
Angelia in a long time.
800
00:39:47,427 --> 00:39:48,507
And she loved that story,
801
00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:50,261
and you know, I look back
on that time
802
00:39:50,263 --> 00:39:52,433
and I think I was so wrong,
803
00:39:52,432 --> 00:39:55,772
and I thought I was so smart,
and I was so wrong,
804
00:39:55,768 --> 00:39:57,268
because they had the foresight
805
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:58,770
to see something
that I couldn't.
806
00:39:58,771 --> 00:40:03,321
And people did love that story,
it was fun for them.
807
00:40:03,318 --> 00:40:06,898
♪ ♪
808
00:40:06,904 --> 00:40:08,664
I've never spoken about this,
809
00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:11,236
but about a year after
the story died down,
810
00:40:11,242 --> 00:40:15,332
I was driving my daughter
to gymnastics one evening.
811
00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:20,961
It was dusk, and I saw
(chuckles) the exact same thing
812
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,920
that everyone else had been
talking about the year prior.
813
00:40:23,922 --> 00:40:26,972
A big thing, with the lights,
the clear lights
814
00:40:26,966 --> 00:40:28,636
that kind of were
all over the place,
815
00:40:28,635 --> 00:40:31,175
they went straight line,
and it took off.
816
00:40:31,179 --> 00:40:35,309
♪ ♪
817
00:40:35,308 --> 00:40:39,808
And I get goose bumps now,
even just remembering it.
818
00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:42,482
Oh, my god, that's what we've
been writing about for a year,
819
00:40:42,482 --> 00:40:46,652
and I was the biggest skeptic
of all, and here I am.
820
00:40:46,653 --> 00:40:48,783
It was a strange moment,
for sure.
821
00:40:51,032 --> 00:40:52,242
The next day
I got to the office,
822
00:40:52,241 --> 00:40:56,161
never planned to
say a word to anybody,
823
00:40:56,162 --> 00:40:59,792
and we had about a dozen calls
that day from others who said,
824
00:40:59,791 --> 00:41:02,631
"Oh, my gosh, I think
I saw that again."
825
00:41:04,796 --> 00:41:07,716
That's when I sort of went,
826
00:41:07,715 --> 00:41:10,675
okay, there, there really was
something to this,
827
00:41:10,677 --> 00:41:13,047
but it took me that long.
828
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:16,599
The government should be
looking at this, of course.
829
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:19,229
I have to believe that what
happened in Stephenville,
830
00:41:19,227 --> 00:41:20,807
in Erath County, was big enough
831
00:41:20,812 --> 00:41:23,062
that it got the attention
of the government.
832
00:41:23,064 --> 00:41:24,484
I, I just believe that.
833
00:41:24,482 --> 00:41:25,982
And I believe that they know
a heck of a lot more
834
00:41:25,984 --> 00:41:27,784
than, than we do.
835
00:41:30,238 --> 00:41:32,238
TOM SNYDER: Please welcome
from the Center of UFO Studies
836
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,330
in Evanston, Illinois,
Dr. J. Allen Hynek.
837
00:41:34,325 --> 00:41:35,325
Dr. Hynek!
838
00:41:35,326 --> 00:41:36,536
(applause)
839
00:41:36,536 --> 00:41:37,576
KEAN: In the years
that followed,
840
00:41:37,578 --> 00:41:40,248
J. Allen Hynek became a hero
841
00:41:40,248 --> 00:41:42,918
advocating for
the study of UFOs.
842
00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:44,627
RODEGHIER: Dr. Hynek realized
843
00:41:44,627 --> 00:41:47,127
that this was a serious problem.
844
00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:49,010
MAN: These things were coming
over our bases,
845
00:41:49,006 --> 00:41:50,676
over our nuclear facilities.
846
00:41:50,675 --> 00:41:53,175
MAN: I thought we were
under attack.
847
00:41:53,177 --> 00:41:55,967
By who or what, I had no idea.
848
00:41:55,972 --> 00:41:57,432
Captioned by
Side Door Media Services
66054
Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.