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Are they ready?
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Elijah: Yes.
And so's he.
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They smell wonderful.
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Mmm.
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He smells like shit.
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Whew.
This is my favorite part.
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All of the ingredients
are perfectly assembled --
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baked to a crisp yet gooey,
golden brown.
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Watched over.
Waited for.
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Cared for.
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Do you realize
how lucky you are
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to consume one of our
sweet concoctions?
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You're a lucky boy,
Mickey!
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You get the first bite!
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Oh! Oh, God!
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It's good!
It's good!
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Yes.
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Just...good.
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And I've been
chewing on that.
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A cookie
shouldn't just be good.
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It should be a unique,
transcendent experience.
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It's transcendent!
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No.
The recipe isn't complete!
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Take thou
thy flesh of pound.
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Pound of flesh, dude.
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Ahh, fuck.
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You flipped it!What? What did I say?
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You're always flipping it.I said --
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You said - You said pound --
flesh of pound.I said flesh of pound?
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Like, you do that ev--
every single time we've
done this, you've...
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Always.Pound of flesh.
Pound of flesh.
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Pound of flesh. I got --
I'm sorry.
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Guys, can you
cut me down for a second?
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These wires are really
getting uncomfortable.
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Art is pain, Mickey.
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Just a few more hours.
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All right, back to one.
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Flesh of pound.
Flesh of pound.Flesh of pound.
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No, pound of flesh.
Pound of flesh! Right!
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Jesus.
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Welcome to "The Core."
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Mickey:
This week on "The Core"...
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can horror heal us?
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Elijah Wood's acclaimed
production company SpectreVision
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is here to get to
the beating human heart
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behind even their most
provocative genre thrills.
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Are you glad
I moved in with you?
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I'd rather be here with you
than in New Orleans.
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Then, Dr. Brenda Weiderhold
plugs us into
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her revolutionary
immersion therapy,
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where patients face their fears
through virtual reality.
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Genre films --
When they work well,
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they throw your body
out of control.
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Your heart rate doubles,
your sweat glands work overtime,
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and your sphincter,
well, it tightens.
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Yet,
when those stuffy film critics
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talk about the "greatest movies
of our time,"
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genre films are often
left at the kid's table.
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Today we're talking with
the production company
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SpectreVision,
whose films show us that,
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in the right hands,
a genre piece summons
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as much prestige
and storytelling balls
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as any Academy darling.
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With an acclaimed body of work
including "The Boy"
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and "A Girl Walks Home Alone
at Night,"
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SpectreVision destroys what you
thought you knew about horror
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with their eclectic
expert visions.
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Take some visceral effects, add
some visual art-house intrigue,
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top it off with storytelling
that cuts right to the bone
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of humanity,
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and you've got yourself
a SpectreVision joint.
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Their offerings have heart
and balls in equal measure,
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and they're here today
to spill their secrets.
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Josh, Elijah, Daniel,
thank you guys so much
for being here today.
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Oh, thank you
for having us.Thanks for having us.
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Oh, man. You gravitate
towards genre films,
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specifically, you know,
horror films.
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What is so fascinating to you
about genre films in particular?
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The ceiling's blown off.
There are less restraints.
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I find it to be very artful.
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I feel like it's open for risk
in certain ways
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that a traditional comedy
or a traditional drama
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wouldn't necessarily allow.
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Um, I like to equate it
to a roller coaster.
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I think a horror movie
and a roller coaster
are the same dynamic.
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You are going to confront
a fear,
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head-on,
knowing that you're safe.
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When you're on
a roller coaster,
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your body goes, "Danger!
You're gonna die," right?
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But, intellectually, you're
like, "No, I know I'm okay,"
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so you get to
confront death
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every time you're on
a roller coaster.
Right.
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That's so true.And I think it's the same
with -- with a horror film.
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You know, some people don't like
horror, and that's okay.
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They don't enjoy -- They don't
find that therapeutic.
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I happen to.
After September 11th...
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I was there.
I was downtown when it happened.
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Like, I saw it with my own eyes.
And I was traumatized.
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Like, it was -- it was a deeply,
deeply traumatic experience.
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So, I think it was a week later,
"Jeepers Creepers" opened,
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and it was the first movie
I saw after 9/11.
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That night, I had debilitatingly
terrifying nightmares
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about the Creeper
pursuing me,
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that were just, like -- like,
chill to the bone.
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And -- And I woke up,
and I was like, "Wow.
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I was really rattled
by that dream."
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But I realized, it was
the first time I wasn't
thinking about 9/11.
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And I felt this incredible,
like, relief,
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and I was like,
"Why is the Creeper
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getting under my skin so much?
Oh, right."
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It's the story of
very innocent people
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just driving down
the road of life,
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and, out of nowhere,
this horrific force appears,
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hell-bent on destroying them,
for reasons you don't know.
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And it's absolutely relentless,
and it wins.
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But it was a real revelation
for me, like, that horror movies
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can have a therapeutic quality
to them.
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And some of the most cathartic
movie experiences of my life
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have been -- have been
horror films.
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Damn.
Damn.
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That was fuck--
I mean, that's brilliant.
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I've been thinking about this
for years.
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That's --
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So, how did you guys
even meet?
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We met on a project
that never came to fruition --
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that he wrote,
he was going to direct.
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And a mutual friend of ours
put me in contact with them
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and said, "They've got this sort
of thing that they want to pitch
you on."
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And I met them for lunch, and
they pitched me on this project,
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and I loved it,
and then we became friends.
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We would, you know, kind of meet
up as actor/writer/director
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to talk about the project
that we were working on.
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And then finally Daniel and I
had this conversation
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where it's like, "Does Elijah
keep bringing up this idea
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of a horror company
to you?"
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And it's like, "Yeah.
Why the fu--
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Why does he
keep doing that?"
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So we met up one night,
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and we were like,
"Let's do this."
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And we started
a company.Yeah.
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When we first started
the company,
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you know, we reached out
to friends
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in the creative industry
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and, you know,
people that we knew
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might have a project.
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And we had the same pitch
to them for, like,
the first two years.
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We'd meet these people,
and we'd say,
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"Do you have a passion project
that is in the genre
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to horror space
and isn't getting any traction?
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We want to
read that thing."
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We tend to gravitate towards
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what we unanimously like
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and what we unanimously
have a heart response on.Mickey: Mm-hmm.
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We're not like "Oh, well,
if two of likes it
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and one of us doesn't,
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then we're still
gonna do it anyways."
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We're artists first,
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and then our backgrounds
are as "talent."
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I think that we take in material
through,
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like, a different portal
than most people
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that are on the
"business side."That's a really good way
to put it.
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Yeah.
When I'm working with
a filmmaker on a script,
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I will be very challenging
and -- and -- and push and go,
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"I think, you know, I think
you can go further with this.
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I think -- You know,
what is this about for you?"
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Something that we always say
at the top of every process is,
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the goal is
to make a classic.
Yeah.
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That is the objective,
is to make a classic film.Yeah.
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That kind of process
sounds almost like
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the golden age of like
70's Hollywood filmmaking...Totally.
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...where they were
really about that.Yeah. Yeah.
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Were there any
more established companies
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that you guys looked to
to say, "All right,
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we're gonna start this company.
We're gonna do it"?
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We actually didn't
really think about
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fashioning our company so much
based on a film company,
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but we actually thought of it
more as a record label.
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If you're a music fan,
like, for instance,
if you love Aphex Twin,
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you probably know other artists
on Warp Records.
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So whatever Warp puts out,
you're probably gonna
be interested in it.
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And that's kind of of what
we were thinking about in
regards to SpectreVision,
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like, how -- how can we
curate this in such a way
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and create a sense of identity
that people can kind of
connect with?
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That, at the very least,
if they liked the one thing,
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that there's some trust there
that the next thing that we make
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is probably gonna be
in their wheelhouse.
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When your logo pops up,
is there a certain thing
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that you want the audience
to feel or expect
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or anything like that?
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We're looking to make the movies
that no one else is making.
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Mm-hmm.The misfit children.
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I think we're trying
to also make movies
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that otherwise wouldn't
get made in some cases.
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Yeah.I mean, "Greasy Strangler" is
a really good example of that,
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where I don't know that
that movie would've gotten made
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if it hadn't been for a bunch
of maniacs getting together
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and banding behind Jim Hosking
as a director.
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How the fuck did that movie
come about?
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I was introduced to
Jim Hosking's work,
like, a year prior,
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and I watched a bunch of his
short films and commercials
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and fell in love
with his work.
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And then Ant Timpson,
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who we're friends with,
e-mailed me,
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and he's like,
"I have this thing
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called 'The Greasy Stranger,'
and you need to read it.
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You guys with SpectreVision
should join us and get --
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like, we'll all band together
and make this movie."
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And I immediately read it.
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I read it in a fitness magazine
someone left on the bus.
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That's horse shit!
You're a bullshit artist!
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45 minutes later,
I was, like,
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quoting "bullshit artist"
to Ant on my phone,
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fell in love with it,
and then sent it to these guys.
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And that's kind of how
it all came together.
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The thing that's
so stand-out
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about the entire filmography
of the company
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is that they're not these
standard horror-geek movies.
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That was something that
we talked about very early on,
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was, you know, if you removed
the genre elements,
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would you still have
a compelling story?
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It was almost a litmus test
for us,
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in terms of material that
we were entertaining,
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where, if we are falling in love
with something,
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the test was, "Well,
if we took all of the things
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that make it exciting out,
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is there a compelling story
there underneath?"Mm-hmm.
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And that was always
kind of our criteria.
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A great genre film
is a drama.
Yeah.
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And -- and a comparison I like
to make is that
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"Poltergeist" and "Ordinary
People" are the same movie.
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They're -- they're both the
story of a family with demons.
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And in "Poltergeist,"
the demons are literal.
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And in "Ordinary People,"
they're metaphorical.
Right.
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Both films are about families
finding the courage
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to confront the demon
and surviving.
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I think that "Poltergeist,"
without that kind of depth,
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it wouldn't have the impact
that it has.
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If you don't care
about the characters,
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then it's really nothing more
than pornography.Yeah.
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When we attack scripts
that way -- This is a drama.
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What are the beats of
the human drama in this story?Mm-hmm. Right.
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By way of example, we pulled
some scenes from our films
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that I think really
get at this idea
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that, under the genre,
is a drama.
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Cool.
246
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Aah!
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I call bullshit on that!
248
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Bull...shit...ar...tist.
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You're covered
in horse shit!
250
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We never really got along,
though, did we?
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Yeah.
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By which I mean, nah.
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Daniel:
We wanted to look at this scene
because we always talk about,
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you know, "What is the heart
of each movie,"
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and,
"What makes it a drama?"
256
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And -- and "Greasy Strangler,"
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which is thought of
as being, you know,
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a gross-out kind of movie,
is actually very sweet.
259
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Yeah.
It's a love story.
260
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But it's not a love story
between Brayden and Janet.
261
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It's a love story between
Ronnie and Brayden.
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Yeah.
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This is the scene
toward the end
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where Ronnie,
who is a-a selfish bastard,
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uh, he tells this story
about Travolta
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and when Brayden
was a little boy.
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You probably won't remember
this, but when you were small,
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we stayed on John Travolta's
luxury yacht in the Caribbean.
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After this point forward,
they --
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they're -- they're together, uh,
in the movie,
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whereas they've been at odds,
you know, all along.
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Let's kill
Ricky Prickles.
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Both: Let's kill
Ricky Prickles.
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♪ They got my boy
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♪ Tell me what...
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You know what today is?My birthday.
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Josh: This is a scene
from "The Boy."
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It's Ted's birthday --
the little boy --
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and, uh, they have been
living out on their own,
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out in the middle of --
the middle of nowhere,
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and they have no one
except for each other.
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They're mother and wife
abandoned them both years prior.
283
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Daniel:
This really cuts to the heart
of what "The Boy" is all about.
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It is the story of a boy
who desperately needs parenting
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and a father who wants to
provide that parenting.
286
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But he just doesn't
have the tools.
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He just -- he just wasn't
hardwired to be a good dad.
288
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And so, the reason "The Boy"
is so tragic to me is that,
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you know, this father
really is trying.
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He really is trying.
291
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Turn it off!
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Oh, you loved this song.
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We used to sing it to you every
night before you went to --
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Ted...
Oh, come on.
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Ted.
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Oof.
Oh, yeah.
297
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Right to the heart.And it's that thing, too,
298
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is, if circumstances
had been different,
299
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would the boy
have turned out --
Yes.
300
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Would the boy have
turned out differently?
301
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Differently, yeah.
302
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The virus
is only dangerous
303
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if you haven't
gone through puberty.
304
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Are you kidding me?
305
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It probably isn't
the greatest timing,
306
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but I have a confession
to make.
307
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This is from "Cooties,"
308
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and, um, this is just
an emotional moment
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between two
substitute teachers,
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which kind of cuts to core of,
you know,
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the emotional truth
of these two characters.
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And they're in the midst
of a child-zombie outbreak.
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Daniel: What we always
talked about with this one
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is the idea that childhood
dreams are toxic.
315
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The three leads are all haunted
by an idea
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of what their life would be
when they were children.
317
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And the children are
the sort of demonic force
318
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that is your
childhood innocence...Yeah,
that's exactly it.
319
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...and that they literally
have to kill the children,
320
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they have to
kill the innocence,
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to be free and accept
their lives as they are now.
322
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Mm-hmm.
323
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And I would...
324
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look out at the kids
and my class,
325
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and I-I found myself getting...
jealous of them.
326
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And so, this scene was critical,
because it's the scene
327
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where they both admit
that their lives
328
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didn't turn out the way
that they had hoped.
329
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Right.
330
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Josh: This is from "A Girl Walks
Home Alone at Night."
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Um, this is a scene, uh,
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where the girl confronts
this little boy
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who is just kind of
this little boy
334
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who's always walking around
Bad City.
335
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The crux of it is
telling him not to be bad.
336
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The scene always struck me
as being incredibly complex,
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because -- you know,
kudos to Lily --
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because it's one of
the only scenes in the movie
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where the vampire
behaves in a way
340
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that we expect a vampire
to behave.
341
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Just, like,
stalking a victim.Mm.
342
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But she doesn't
attack him.
343
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She comes at him
very aggressively.
344
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But then what she actually does
is the opposite of an attack.
345
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She tries to protect him.
And what I've always --
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The way I've always
viewed this scene is
347
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it's a little window
into her past.
348
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Someone hurt her.Mm-hmm.
349
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A man hurt her at some point
in her long, long life.
350
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And if you look carefully at who
she goes after in the movie --
351
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She goes after
shitty dudes.Yeah.
352
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It's true.Only really shitty dudes.
353
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Yeah.You know? And for a character
that's so stoic...
354
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You know, the --
the emotional inner life
355
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is so, like, tempestuous
for this character.Mm-hmm.
356
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She's just
a brilliant actor.
357
00:16:29,945 --> 00:16:31,725
Oh, she's incredible --
Sheila Vand.
358
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Oh, my God.
Look at this.
359
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"I'll ask you one more time.
Tell the truth.
360
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Are you a good boy?"
361
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Of course she knows
he's a good boy.
362
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She's trying to scare him
into staying good.
363
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Yeah. Exactly.Yeah.
364
00:16:49,486 --> 00:16:52,356
Well,
there we have it, guys.
365
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I think what's so important
about your company is that,
366
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every single one of these movies
adds to this element of --
367
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there is an artistic value
to horror films.
368
00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:01,019
Almost kind of --Well, look, a phrase
I like to use a lot
369
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is that genre
is a Trojan Horse.
370
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People show up for
the titillating elements,
371
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but the best genre filmmakers
sneak in ideas
372
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and themes
that cut to the bone.
373
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They're not
"Friday the 13th Part V."
374
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As much as we all love
those films, you know?
375
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Like, they're --I don't even know
that we've made
376
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an out-and-out horror,
have we?
377
00:17:20,648 --> 00:17:21,948
Yeah, no.
I don't think so.
No.
378
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I mean,
we've made movies that
379
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you could loosely define
as horror films.Mm-hmm.
380
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But an out-and-out
classical horror movie?
381
00:17:27,916 --> 00:17:29,306
We've not made one yet.No way.
382
00:17:29,352 --> 00:17:31,142
Actually, I want to pick
your brain about that.
383
00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:33,100
Can I help?
Yeah, let's --
let's do it.
384
00:17:33,139 --> 00:17:34,619
Yeah.
Wha?
385
00:17:43,975 --> 00:17:46,665
Careful what
you wish for.
386
00:17:52,854 --> 00:17:55,164
So, we killed Elijah Wood.
387
00:17:55,204 --> 00:17:57,124
Aah!
Oh, shit!
I'm still here.
388
00:17:57,163 --> 00:17:58,903
That'll make legal work
way easier.
389
00:17:58,947 --> 00:18:01,167
Jim, why don't you show us
how you did that?
390
00:18:01,210 --> 00:18:02,820
So, we start off
with a head mold,
391
00:18:02,864 --> 00:18:05,134
and then we cast
a silicone skin.
392
00:18:05,171 --> 00:18:08,001
The key is, for a head
to crush like this,
393
00:18:08,043 --> 00:18:10,743
is to basically
paint in, um, something hard.
394
00:18:10,785 --> 00:18:12,265
In this case,
we have fiberglass --
395
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a fiberglass shell inside.
396
00:18:14,658 --> 00:18:17,358
And then you can glue little
bits of, like, you know...
397
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Brain matter....brain matter,
398
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which you can just
make out of latex.
399
00:18:20,403 --> 00:18:22,283
Oh, fantastic.Nurnies, as we call them.
400
00:18:22,318 --> 00:18:23,708
Nurnies?
Nurnies.
401
00:18:23,754 --> 00:18:25,714
Nurnies?Nurnies.
Nurnies.
402
00:18:25,756 --> 00:18:29,276
Nurnies is the technical term
for latex stuff that's just --
403
00:18:29,325 --> 00:18:31,585
All of your insides
are made of nurnies.All right.
404
00:18:31,632 --> 00:18:34,372
So, t-the reason that
we need the hard shell inside
405
00:18:34,417 --> 00:18:37,587
is so that,
when we assemble it in pieces,
406
00:18:37,638 --> 00:18:40,078
that you can actually tack
with a little super glue.
407
00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,379
So like, okay,
you can put this guy's piece,
408
00:18:42,425 --> 00:18:44,645
and then you can just do
a couple tacks to the glass --
409
00:18:44,688 --> 00:18:46,038
the fiberglass -- together.Oh, cool.
410
00:18:46,081 --> 00:18:47,561
That holds it in place.
411
00:18:47,604 --> 00:18:49,654
And then you eventually
have, like, a whole head.
412
00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:51,963
But it's because it's just
tacked a little bit,
413
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,480
these guys can go in
and crush it, no problem.
414
00:18:56,265 --> 00:19:00,135
To get the explosiveness out
of it, we made an air cannon.
415
00:19:00,182 --> 00:19:01,792
So...I love the air cannons.
416
00:19:01,836 --> 00:19:04,836
...that's like this
high-pressure industrial cannon
417
00:19:04,882 --> 00:19:09,542
that, uh, goes up to 100 pounds
of pressure per square inch.Wow.
418
00:19:09,583 --> 00:19:12,983
To safely detonate
your air cannon,
419
00:19:13,021 --> 00:19:15,461
we actually made
a detonation box.
420
00:19:15,502 --> 00:19:17,942
So, once --
The red light's on. It's live.
421
00:19:17,982 --> 00:19:19,722
And then three,
two, one, bam.
422
00:19:19,767 --> 00:19:21,377
How fun is it
to press that button?And -- and it's --
423
00:19:21,421 --> 00:19:23,291
It's got to be
so satisfying.
424
00:19:23,336 --> 00:19:25,206
I -- I-I always hog that
to myself
425
00:19:25,251 --> 00:19:27,691
Because it's just --Yeah. "No,
it's mine to push."
426
00:19:27,731 --> 00:19:30,131
It's just awesome.Did you ever consider,
instead of doing the switch,
427
00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:33,039
one of the classic, like --
ssst! -- boxes?
428
00:19:33,084 --> 00:19:35,094
You're like, "Yeah!"That would be -- yeah.TNT.
429
00:19:35,130 --> 00:19:37,830
Yeah, it just says "X."So then it's like, "Oh,
what do we fill it with?
430
00:19:37,872 --> 00:19:39,572
What comes out?" 'Cause you
don't want to just have blood.
431
00:19:39,613 --> 00:19:41,403
Elijah: Right.That's boring.
432
00:19:41,441 --> 00:19:43,401
There's a lot of just things
you can't make to look organic,
433
00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:45,533
so you just buy
organic materials.
434
00:19:45,575 --> 00:19:50,005
Like, you can get crushed
tomatoes, and...boom.
435
00:19:50,058 --> 00:19:52,148
Tasted those.Fake blood.
436
00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:54,111
And then,
banana is always the key,
437
00:19:54,149 --> 00:19:58,499
because once that's,
like, mashed up...
438
00:19:58,545 --> 00:20:00,065
and in the blood...Is that
your brain matter?
439
00:20:00,111 --> 00:20:02,901
Now, Josh, you seem fairly
uncomfortable with this.
440
00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:04,900
Don't call me out
on camera.
441
00:20:04,942 --> 00:20:08,122
Yes. I'm uneasy by
the way this looks.
442
00:20:08,163 --> 00:20:10,253
And sounds, by the way.But see,
443
00:20:10,296 --> 00:20:12,906
then those little light bits,
when they hit something...Ohh!
444
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:16,130
But usually -- especially
if you let your banana
get a little old,
445
00:20:16,171 --> 00:20:17,831
when it hits a window
or something
446
00:20:17,868 --> 00:20:20,648
or hits somebody's head
or hits little bits like this,
447
00:20:20,697 --> 00:20:23,607
it's gonna stick and cling,
which is great.Elijah: Yeah.
448
00:20:23,657 --> 00:20:26,137
You know, you don't want --
you don't want your brain...You don't want your cool-looking
shit just rolling off.
449
00:20:26,181 --> 00:20:27,971
Brain matter's
got to stick.
450
00:20:28,009 --> 00:20:31,009
That's the key to doing
this type of head explosion.
451
00:20:31,055 --> 00:20:33,135
If you're on
a super-limited budget,
452
00:20:33,188 --> 00:20:35,838
something you could do, like
they did in this infamous scene
453
00:20:35,886 --> 00:20:37,626
in the first
"Toxic Avenger,"
454
00:20:37,671 --> 00:20:40,801
they didn't have money, and they
crushed a little kid's head.
455
00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:42,198
You get the close-up
of the tire,
456
00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:43,721
close up of the kid like,
"Oh, shit,"
457
00:20:43,764 --> 00:20:46,334
and then bam, they cut to a shot
behind his head,
458
00:20:46,375 --> 00:20:48,245
and they put a wig
over a melon...
459
00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:49,900
Oh, amazing.
460
00:20:49,944 --> 00:20:51,774
...and filled the melon
with all this kind of crap.
461
00:20:51,815 --> 00:20:55,515
It explodes all over the ground,
and it's super disturbing.
462
00:20:55,558 --> 00:20:57,388
Oh, my God.It got it like an X rating.
463
00:20:57,430 --> 00:21:01,390
So, how did you guys do that
one head kind of, like, bulging
464
00:21:01,434 --> 00:21:03,744
in "Greasy Strangler"
at the potato-chips machine?
465
00:21:03,784 --> 00:21:05,834
Oh, yeah.Well, there was the --
466
00:21:05,873 --> 00:21:09,183
the -- the punch-in
when -- when Greasy punches,
467
00:21:09,224 --> 00:21:10,834
you know, by the --
by the vending machine
468
00:21:10,878 --> 00:21:13,358
and his face
just caves in.
Yeah.
469
00:21:13,402 --> 00:21:18,232
Um, and that was, uh -- We just
built, you know, a fake head.
470
00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:19,797
Did something,
like, suck it back?
471
00:21:19,843 --> 00:21:21,503
Or was it just meant
to, like, cave in?
472
00:21:21,541 --> 00:21:23,191
No, it was meant
to cave in.Okay.
473
00:21:23,238 --> 00:21:24,938
And then -- And then later,
digitally,
474
00:21:24,979 --> 00:21:27,109
we went in
and made the eyes blink
475
00:21:27,155 --> 00:21:30,195
after the whole face is caved in
with the fist.All right.
476
00:21:30,245 --> 00:21:32,025
That's very effective.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
477
00:21:32,073 --> 00:21:34,383
And everything else that
we've done, for the most part,
478
00:21:34,423 --> 00:21:36,253
I guess, has been, like,
somewhat conventional.
479
00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:39,245
In "Cooties," there's, uh,
one of the little kids,
480
00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:44,258
who is, uh, on top of the truck
that his character is driving.
481
00:21:44,303 --> 00:21:47,833
And so, he slams on the brakes,
and it sends this 11-year-old
482
00:21:47,871 --> 00:21:51,221
flying and skidding
on the asphalt face-first.
483
00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:53,046
Mm-hmm.So when the kid gets up,
484
00:21:53,094 --> 00:21:56,404
his jaw is hanging out,
but he's still alive.
485
00:21:56,445 --> 00:21:58,225
And that was just a matter
of, like,
486
00:21:58,273 --> 00:22:00,713
building a-a fake jaw
that's hanging down.A jaw piece.
487
00:22:00,754 --> 00:22:02,804
And there was a green screen
sort of --Um, and then painted --
488
00:22:02,843 --> 00:22:05,153
That's right.They took green paint
and painted all of his mouth
489
00:22:05,193 --> 00:22:08,023
because negative space is really
difficult to do practically.
490
00:22:08,065 --> 00:22:09,495
Right.
491
00:22:09,545 --> 00:22:11,625
So you kind of have to go
and digitally augment it,
492
00:22:11,678 --> 00:22:13,548
just to fill
that negative.
Wow.
493
00:22:15,116 --> 00:22:16,936
Guys,
this has been awesome.
494
00:22:16,987 --> 00:22:19,077
Thank you, Jim.
Thank you, SpectreVision.
495
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,950
See ya.
Later.
All right.
496
00:22:20,991 --> 00:22:23,041
Let's get you messed up.
497
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,780
Ohh! No!
498
00:22:28,085 --> 00:22:29,775
Daniel's story about
confronting his fears
499
00:22:29,826 --> 00:22:31,046
while watching
"Jeepers Creepers"
500
00:22:31,088 --> 00:22:32,658
made me start to think.
501
00:22:32,699 --> 00:22:35,089
Can horror films really
have therapeutic benefits?
502
00:22:35,136 --> 00:22:37,006
I have someone with me today
who helps people
503
00:22:37,051 --> 00:22:38,971
confront their phobias
via the screen --
504
00:22:39,009 --> 00:22:41,139
the virtual-reality screen.
505
00:22:42,752 --> 00:22:45,452
Dr. Brenda Weiderhold, thank you
so much for joining me.
506
00:22:45,494 --> 00:22:47,414
Thank you.So, why don't we talk about
507
00:22:47,453 --> 00:22:49,413
the Virtual Reality
Medical Center.
Okay.
508
00:22:49,455 --> 00:22:52,195
Well,
we started it in 1996
509
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,590
with one room and one office
in San Diego.
510
00:22:54,634 --> 00:22:57,074
We know have three clinics
in California
511
00:22:57,114 --> 00:22:59,294
and one in Belgium
and one in China.
Wow.
512
00:22:59,334 --> 00:23:01,644
People seem to be
really responding to it.
Yeah.
513
00:23:01,684 --> 00:23:03,514
It's very real for people,
514
00:23:03,556 --> 00:23:05,206
and it's very exciting
for people to come
515
00:23:05,253 --> 00:23:07,603
that haven't been able to get
help with their phobias,
516
00:23:07,647 --> 00:23:09,687
their anxieties,
their stress, their fears.
517
00:23:09,736 --> 00:23:12,086
What does your practice
address
518
00:23:12,129 --> 00:23:13,739
that I can go
and get treated for?
519
00:23:13,783 --> 00:23:15,793
So, public speaking,
heights,
520
00:23:15,829 --> 00:23:19,489
flying, fear of blood
and needles, spiders.
521
00:23:19,528 --> 00:23:23,048
In specific phobias,
we have a 92% success rate.
522
00:23:23,097 --> 00:23:26,187
That's amazing. So, say
I'm terrified of spiders.
523
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:28,190
Okay.What is my experience like
524
00:23:28,232 --> 00:23:30,232
with spider therapy?
Okay.
525
00:23:30,278 --> 00:23:32,278
So, what I'm gonna do first
is,
526
00:23:32,323 --> 00:23:34,763
I want to teach you how
to control your breathing
527
00:23:34,804 --> 00:23:36,634
because I want to give you
a coping skill
528
00:23:36,676 --> 00:23:38,456
to use during
the virtual reality.
529
00:23:38,504 --> 00:23:41,124
Virtual reality is very
overwhelming for some people.
530
00:23:41,158 --> 00:23:44,248
Some people have panic attacks,
they have flashbacks.
531
00:23:44,292 --> 00:23:47,082
So, not everybody's able
to do it immediately.
532
00:23:47,121 --> 00:23:48,951
When I put you into
the virtual reality,
533
00:23:48,992 --> 00:23:50,862
I'm gonna monitor your heart
rate the whole time.
534
00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:52,947
Okay.
'Cause I want to know
what's happening to you.
535
00:23:52,996 --> 00:23:55,426
First, I'm gonna have you
in a room with one spider.
536
00:23:55,477 --> 00:23:57,777
If your heart rate does nothing,
then I'll put two spiders
537
00:23:57,827 --> 00:23:59,867
or three spiders
or a larger spider.
538
00:23:59,916 --> 00:24:02,136
Then one can be crawling
on your hand.
Ooh!
539
00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:05,099
'Cause you have to elicit
some anxiety to desensitize.
540
00:24:05,139 --> 00:24:07,709
Yeah.You're gonna feel your heart
racing out of your chest.
541
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:10,060
You're gonna go,
"I'm having a heart attack,"
542
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:12,320
or, "This is dangerous.
I need to escape."
543
00:24:12,363 --> 00:24:14,503
So, that's what your brain
is telling you.
544
00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:16,630
So I teach you
to control your heart rate,
545
00:24:16,672 --> 00:24:19,332
so then your heart tells your
brain, "No danger here.
546
00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:20,760
You're fine."
Mm-hmm.
547
00:24:20,807 --> 00:24:22,677
Because part of your brain
will always know
548
00:24:22,722 --> 00:24:24,992
you're sitting in the office
with me and it's safe.
Right.
549
00:24:25,028 --> 00:24:26,808
But it allows you
to push the envelope.
550
00:24:26,856 --> 00:24:29,246
So, you do things that are
scarier in the virtual world
551
00:24:29,293 --> 00:24:31,513
than you're ever gonna have
in the real-world setting.Mm-hmm.
552
00:24:31,557 --> 00:24:33,987
Okay. Are there any
emerging technologies
553
00:24:34,037 --> 00:24:36,517
aiding you further on
in therapy?
Yes.
554
00:24:36,562 --> 00:24:38,832
What we're doing with some of
the new technologies
555
00:24:38,868 --> 00:24:41,308
is having them
physiologically driven.
556
00:24:41,349 --> 00:24:43,959
So, depending on how
your heart rate reacts,
557
00:24:44,004 --> 00:24:45,924
the world will react.
Wow!
558
00:24:45,962 --> 00:24:49,052
So, I may have you in a forest
and it's just a dark forest,
559
00:24:49,096 --> 00:24:51,396
and as your heart rate
stabilizes,
560
00:24:51,446 --> 00:24:54,186
flowers begin to appear,
things like that.
561
00:24:54,231 --> 00:24:57,541
What's the most severe case that
you personally have dealt with?
562
00:24:57,583 --> 00:24:59,893
One girl that my mind
always goes to --
563
00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:03,553
She was on her way to college,
and somebody hit her truck,
564
00:25:03,589 --> 00:25:06,809
and it rolled over,
and she was trapped,
565
00:25:06,853 --> 00:25:09,203
upside down,
in her seatbelt,
566
00:25:09,246 --> 00:25:11,766
and her father was hanging
next to her, dead.
567
00:25:11,814 --> 00:25:13,644
Ohh. Jesus.
Um...
568
00:25:13,686 --> 00:25:17,116
And all I could do with her
the first VR session was
569
00:25:17,167 --> 00:25:20,997
turn on the engine and put her
hands on the steering wheel.
570
00:25:21,041 --> 00:25:23,171
And she just cried
and cried and cried.
571
00:25:23,217 --> 00:25:28,087
And she was able to go from that
to now having her own place,
572
00:25:28,135 --> 00:25:31,175
going back to school,
and driving wherever she wants.
573
00:25:31,225 --> 00:25:34,225
What is it about treating fear
with fear?
574
00:25:34,271 --> 00:25:39,021
So, what we know from, you know,
100 years of literature
575
00:25:39,059 --> 00:25:43,409
is that you have to elicit
some anxiety, both objectively,
576
00:25:43,454 --> 00:25:45,894
so your body, your heart rate,
and subjectively.
577
00:25:45,935 --> 00:25:48,365
So you have to think "Oh,
my God, this is fearful."
578
00:25:48,416 --> 00:25:50,846
By putting that little piece
in your brain
579
00:25:50,897 --> 00:25:53,767
and eliciting
that fear response...
Right.
580
00:25:53,813 --> 00:25:56,383
...you can start desensitizing
to that fear.
581
00:25:56,424 --> 00:25:59,604
What do you think it says
about us as human beings --
582
00:25:59,645 --> 00:26:02,595
why we expose ourselves
to scary movies,
583
00:26:02,648 --> 00:26:04,608
why we put ourselves
in this situation where,
584
00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:06,830
"I'm gonna be flung off,
you know,
585
00:26:06,869 --> 00:26:09,179
a roller coaster, essentially."
Why do we do that?
586
00:26:09,219 --> 00:26:11,349
I think when people
go on rides,
587
00:26:11,395 --> 00:26:13,565
they're sometimes
looking to relive
588
00:26:13,615 --> 00:26:16,305
some moment in their lives,
some memory, deal with that.Mm-hmm.
589
00:26:16,357 --> 00:26:18,047
And I think going to
a horror movie
590
00:26:18,098 --> 00:26:19,928
or any kind of movie,
really,
591
00:26:19,969 --> 00:26:22,799
sometimes you pick up something
in the movie
592
00:26:22,842 --> 00:26:24,542
that triggers an emotion,
593
00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:26,853
and then you have
that cathartic event.
594
00:26:26,889 --> 00:26:29,539
So, this is the next step
along that evolution.
595
00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,288
But I think it's maybe something
people have always sought out...
596
00:26:32,329 --> 00:26:34,639
Right, right....with the movies
or with the thrill ride.
597
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,160
Subconsciously or not.
598
00:26:36,203 --> 00:26:38,553
It's like, "I don't know
why I get choked up
599
00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:41,377
when I watch certain films," but
it triggers something, you know?Yeah, yeah.
600
00:26:41,425 --> 00:26:43,035
Yeah.
Possibly.
601
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:45,599
Thank you so much
for visiting us.
Thank you.
602
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,610
Sam, I'll tell you,
that movie really fucked me up.
603
00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:57,956
Elijah Wood.
Actor. Producer.
604
00:26:58,007 --> 00:27:00,967
DJ.
Quite the pâtissier.
605
00:27:01,010 --> 00:27:03,140
Come on,
don't eat my blood.
Mmm!
606
00:27:03,186 --> 00:27:05,096
You taste delicious.
607
00:27:05,145 --> 00:27:07,575
Well, that's grotesque.
That really is.
608
00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:10,276
Oh...
609
00:27:10,324 --> 00:27:13,684
By pleasuring myself,
I've caused pain to others.
610
00:27:13,719 --> 00:27:15,849
If only there was something
that could help us heal.
611
00:27:15,895 --> 00:27:17,715
If only there was someone
who could recommend
612
00:27:17,766 --> 00:27:20,286
interesting genre films
that help provide catharsis.
613
00:27:20,334 --> 00:27:22,514
Oh, Mickey, that's my job.Yeah.
614
00:27:22,553 --> 00:27:24,383
Catharsis.
Catharsis.
615
00:27:24,425 --> 00:27:25,945
Dramatic weight.
Yes.
616
00:27:25,992 --> 00:27:27,652
They want you to cry.
They do.
617
00:27:27,689 --> 00:27:29,209
They made me cry.
Really?
618
00:27:29,256 --> 00:27:30,946
Yeah.
You're eating them, pal!
619
00:27:30,997 --> 00:27:32,827
I don't know if you should cry
over these. These are very good.
620
00:27:32,868 --> 00:27:34,388
So..."Prevenge."
621
00:27:34,435 --> 00:27:36,695
Woman: The baby will tell you
what to do.
622
00:27:36,742 --> 00:27:38,572
It's just nature's way.
623
00:27:38,613 --> 00:27:40,963
Alice Lowe...Of "Sightseers."
624
00:27:41,007 --> 00:27:43,707
A wonderful performer.
A wonderful writer.
625
00:27:43,749 --> 00:27:45,449
And now
a wonderful director.
626
00:27:45,489 --> 00:27:47,189
Her feature debut,
"Prevenge,"
627
00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:49,540
is about a woman
who's pregnant
628
00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:52,980
and is hearing her child
instruct her to kill,
629
00:27:53,019 --> 00:27:54,889
to take
some sort of revenge.
630
00:27:54,934 --> 00:27:56,724
Do it.
Do it now!
631
00:27:56,762 --> 00:27:59,552
Now, this is already
a great hook,
632
00:27:59,590 --> 00:28:01,810
but take away that,
633
00:28:01,854 --> 00:28:04,814
and what you have is
a really excellent look
634
00:28:04,857 --> 00:28:06,507
at impending
motherhood.
635
00:28:06,554 --> 00:28:08,434
All the fears,
the anxieties.
636
00:28:08,469 --> 00:28:11,169
It's a really funny film,
it's a really dark film,
637
00:28:11,211 --> 00:28:13,041
and it's really fantastic.
638
00:28:13,082 --> 00:28:15,042
Well, I like everything
Alice Lowe has ever been in,
639
00:28:15,084 --> 00:28:16,744
so I'm very much
looking forward to this.
640
00:28:16,782 --> 00:28:18,652
Wonderful!
641
00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:21,177
You want to cry?
I guess.
642
00:28:21,221 --> 00:28:23,181
"Beyond the Walls."
643
00:28:25,791 --> 00:28:29,801
This is a Shudder exclusive,
three-episode French miniseries
644
00:28:29,838 --> 00:28:31,878
about a young woman
who inherits a townhouse.
645
00:28:31,927 --> 00:28:33,487
Inside of that townhouse
646
00:28:33,537 --> 00:28:35,277
was a man who's been dead
for 30 years.
647
00:28:35,322 --> 00:28:37,722
When she moves in, she finds
a metaphysical plane
648
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:39,629
beyond the walls.
649
00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:43,204
Uh, this is really eerie
and really captivating.
650
00:28:43,243 --> 00:28:46,073
But what it becomes
is a story about grief
651
00:28:46,115 --> 00:28:47,725
and a story about romance
652
00:28:47,769 --> 00:28:50,469
and a story that a lot
of our Shudder members
653
00:28:50,511 --> 00:28:53,511
have been very proud
to admit made them cry.
654
00:28:53,557 --> 00:28:56,557
Wow. Well, there's a challenge
right there.
655
00:28:56,604 --> 00:28:58,304
"Coherence."
656
00:28:58,345 --> 00:29:00,085
Everyone else
still not have service?
657
00:29:00,129 --> 00:29:02,999
It's a comet.
Comet. Comet. Comet.
658
00:29:03,045 --> 00:29:05,125
Mueller's comet.
659
00:29:05,178 --> 00:29:07,788
What the hell was that?
660
00:29:07,833 --> 00:29:10,363
It's one of my favorite films
of the last couple years.
661
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,050
Stunning
independent sci-fi film
662
00:29:12,098 --> 00:29:13,838
about a bunch of friends
having a dinner party.
663
00:29:13,882 --> 00:29:16,542
A comet goes overhead.
All the power goes out.
664
00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:17,930
When they walk
across the street
665
00:29:17,973 --> 00:29:19,803
to the house that
does have power,
666
00:29:19,845 --> 00:29:21,535
they see themselves inside.
667
00:29:21,585 --> 00:29:23,365
It's a really
fantastic film.
668
00:29:23,413 --> 00:29:25,463
Mind-bending.
Doppelganger-based.
669
00:29:25,502 --> 00:29:28,162
But what it's really about
is yourself.
670
00:29:28,201 --> 00:29:30,201
Who are you?
Who are you meant to be?
671
00:29:30,246 --> 00:29:31,726
Who did you want to be?
672
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:33,770
This is a bunch of people
confronting themselves.
673
00:29:33,815 --> 00:29:35,635
It's a really fantastic
drama
674
00:29:35,686 --> 00:29:37,986
and a really fantastic
independent sci-fi film.
675
00:29:38,037 --> 00:29:39,947
It's awesome.It sounds awesome.
676
00:29:39,995 --> 00:29:41,425
"Celia."
677
00:29:41,475 --> 00:29:43,685
Woman: And ran home as fast
as they could go.
678
00:29:45,696 --> 00:29:47,996
Really underrated gem
from Australia
679
00:29:48,047 --> 00:29:50,087
from the late-80's,
directed by Ann Turner.
680
00:29:50,136 --> 00:29:52,226
It's a really cool film
in the vein of "Paperhouse,"
681
00:29:52,268 --> 00:29:55,658
"Pan's Labyrinth,"
all the dark fairy-tales.
682
00:29:55,706 --> 00:29:57,836
The movie's about kids
who retreat into themselves
683
00:29:57,883 --> 00:29:59,623
because of a tumultuous
home life.
684
00:29:59,667 --> 00:30:01,497
This one is a bit
undiscovered.
685
00:30:01,538 --> 00:30:03,318
We're really glad
to have it on Shudder.
686
00:30:03,366 --> 00:30:05,926
And I hope people really
find it, really dig into it.
687
00:30:05,978 --> 00:30:07,848
Ann Turner isn't
really celebrated,
688
00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:09,373
but she's
a fantastic director,
689
00:30:09,416 --> 00:30:11,366
and it's revealed
in this movies.
Wow.
690
00:30:11,418 --> 00:30:13,808
And finally,
"Always Shine."
691
00:30:13,855 --> 00:30:16,285
Bet you think you're better
than me, huh?
692
00:30:19,861 --> 00:30:21,431
This is an awesome
psycho-thriller
693
00:30:21,471 --> 00:30:23,301
from director
Sophia Takal.
Ah.
694
00:30:23,343 --> 00:30:25,693
It's about two friends
who retreat to a cabin
695
00:30:25,736 --> 00:30:28,166
for a weekend
and find themselves at odds.
696
00:30:28,217 --> 00:30:31,867
It, of course, comes in the
tradition of persona, repulsion.
697
00:30:31,917 --> 00:30:34,007
At it's heart,
it's about female friendship,
698
00:30:34,049 --> 00:30:35,959
it's about pressures
of your works,
699
00:30:36,008 --> 00:30:38,008
and it's about two women
who have to confront
700
00:30:38,053 --> 00:30:40,493
things they hate in themselves,
things they hate in each other.
701
00:30:40,534 --> 00:30:42,884
But it's also a bitchin'
psychedelic thriller.
702
00:30:42,928 --> 00:30:44,488
Well, thanks, Sam.
703
00:30:44,538 --> 00:30:46,018
I'm sure these will really
get the waterworks --
704
00:30:46,061 --> 00:30:47,721
Mickey...
705
00:30:47,758 --> 00:30:50,278
you are so delicious,
dude.
706
00:30:50,326 --> 00:30:52,806
Can I recommend therapy?
Mmm!
707
00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:55,721
Yeah, it's a Shudder exclusive.
Let's go watch it.
708
00:30:55,766 --> 00:30:58,596
It's fuckin' great.Never mind.
709
00:30:58,639 --> 00:31:00,679
It was directed
by a 16-year-old.
710
00:31:00,728 --> 00:31:02,598
Don't change, Sam.
711
00:31:02,643 --> 00:31:04,953
All right.
712
00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:15,050
Well, that's it for "The Core."
713
00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:17,350
Big thanks to SpectreVision
for coming out today.
714
00:31:17,397 --> 00:31:20,007
If you're wondering why I'm
still strung up like this, uh,
715
00:31:20,052 --> 00:31:21,972
they told me they had something
really special planned
716
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:24,530
for the closing credits,
but, um...
717
00:31:24,578 --> 00:31:27,618
I'm not sure where they went.
718
00:31:27,668 --> 00:31:30,148
I'll give them
like 20 more minutes.
719
00:31:30,192 --> 00:31:32,332
Ow.
720
00:31:32,368 --> 00:31:34,848
All right,
like 15 more minutes.
721
00:32:25,247 --> 00:32:27,857
Can someone come
and itch my nose?
55544
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