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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:22,892 --> 00:00:25,202 Are they ready? 2 00:00:25,242 --> 00:00:27,422 Elijah: Yes. And so's he. 3 00:00:45,262 --> 00:00:48,222 They smell wonderful. 4 00:00:48,265 --> 00:00:50,305 Mmm. 5 00:00:50,354 --> 00:00:53,364 He smells like shit. 6 00:00:53,401 --> 00:00:56,881 Whew. This is my favorite part. 7 00:00:56,926 --> 00:00:58,796 All of the ingredients are perfectly assembled -- 8 00:00:58,841 --> 00:01:01,411 baked to a crisp yet gooey, golden brown. 9 00:01:01,452 --> 00:01:03,892 Watched over. Waited for. 10 00:01:03,933 --> 00:01:06,373 Cared for. 11 00:01:06,414 --> 00:01:07,764 Do you realize how lucky you are 12 00:01:07,806 --> 00:01:10,196 to consume one of our sweet concoctions? 13 00:01:12,028 --> 00:01:14,118 You're a lucky boy, Mickey! 14 00:01:14,161 --> 00:01:15,771 You get the first bite! 15 00:01:15,814 --> 00:01:18,124 Oh! Oh, God! 16 00:01:18,165 --> 00:01:21,335 It's good! It's good! 17 00:01:21,385 --> 00:01:23,255 Yes. 18 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:25,560 Just...good. 19 00:01:25,607 --> 00:01:27,737 And I've been chewing on that. 20 00:01:27,783 --> 00:01:30,663 A cookie shouldn't just be good. 21 00:01:30,699 --> 00:01:34,879 It should be a unique, transcendent experience. 22 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,970 It's transcendent! 23 00:01:37,009 --> 00:01:40,489 No. The recipe isn't complete! 24 00:01:43,625 --> 00:01:45,885 Take thou thy flesh of pound. 25 00:01:45,931 --> 00:01:47,461 Pound of flesh, dude. 26 00:01:47,498 --> 00:01:49,068 Ahh, fuck. 27 00:01:49,109 --> 00:01:51,199 You flipped it!What? What did I say? 28 00:01:51,241 --> 00:01:53,291 You're always flipping it.I said -- 29 00:01:53,330 --> 00:01:55,420 You said - You said pound -- flesh of pound.I said flesh of pound? 30 00:01:55,463 --> 00:01:56,943 Like, you do that ev-- every single time we've done this, you've... 31 00:01:56,986 --> 00:01:58,286 Always.Pound of flesh. Pound of flesh. 32 00:01:58,335 --> 00:01:59,635 Pound of flesh. I got -- I'm sorry. 33 00:01:59,684 --> 00:02:01,254 Guys, can you cut me down for a second? 34 00:02:01,295 --> 00:02:02,985 These wires are really getting uncomfortable. 35 00:02:03,035 --> 00:02:05,295 Art is pain, Mickey. 36 00:02:05,342 --> 00:02:06,912 Just a few more hours. 37 00:02:06,952 --> 00:02:08,782 All right, back to one. 38 00:02:08,824 --> 00:02:10,614 Flesh of pound. Flesh of pound.Flesh of pound. 39 00:02:10,652 --> 00:02:12,782 No, pound of flesh. Pound of flesh! Right! 40 00:02:12,828 --> 00:02:14,528 Jesus. 41 00:02:15,961 --> 00:02:17,881 Welcome to "The Core." 42 00:03:02,269 --> 00:03:05,269 Mickey: This week on "The Core"... 43 00:03:05,315 --> 00:03:07,615 can horror heal us? 44 00:03:08,536 --> 00:03:11,146 Elijah Wood's acclaimed production company SpectreVision 45 00:03:11,191 --> 00:03:12,981 is here to get to the beating human heart 46 00:03:13,018 --> 00:03:15,628 behind even their most provocative genre thrills. 47 00:03:15,673 --> 00:03:17,593 Are you glad I moved in with you? 48 00:03:17,632 --> 00:03:20,242 I'd rather be here with you than in New Orleans. 49 00:03:20,287 --> 00:03:22,377 Then, Dr. Brenda Weiderhold plugs us into 50 00:03:22,419 --> 00:03:24,419 her revolutionary immersion therapy, 51 00:03:24,465 --> 00:03:27,555 where patients face their fears through virtual reality. 52 00:03:29,426 --> 00:03:31,466 Genre films -- When they work well, 53 00:03:31,515 --> 00:03:33,425 they throw your body out of control. 54 00:03:33,474 --> 00:03:36,964 Your heart rate doubles, your sweat glands work overtime, 55 00:03:36,999 --> 00:03:39,649 and your sphincter, well, it tightens. 56 00:03:39,697 --> 00:03:41,527 Yet, when those stuffy film critics 57 00:03:41,569 --> 00:03:43,609 talk about the "greatest movies of our time," 58 00:03:43,658 --> 00:03:45,618 genre films are often left at the kid's table. 59 00:03:45,660 --> 00:03:48,400 Today we're talking with the production company 60 00:03:48,445 --> 00:03:50,575 SpectreVision, whose films show us that, 61 00:03:50,621 --> 00:03:52,671 in the right hands, a genre piece summons 62 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:54,630 as much prestige and storytelling balls 63 00:03:54,669 --> 00:03:56,279 as any Academy darling. 64 00:03:56,323 --> 00:03:58,373 With an acclaimed body of work including "The Boy" 65 00:03:58,412 --> 00:04:00,282 and "A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night," 66 00:04:00,327 --> 00:04:02,757 SpectreVision destroys what you thought you knew about horror 67 00:04:02,807 --> 00:04:05,327 with their eclectic expert visions. 68 00:04:08,509 --> 00:04:11,989 Take some visceral effects, add some visual art-house intrigue, 69 00:04:12,034 --> 00:04:14,084 top it off with storytelling that cuts right to the bone 70 00:04:14,123 --> 00:04:15,603 of humanity, 71 00:04:15,646 --> 00:04:17,386 and you've got yourself a SpectreVision joint. 72 00:04:17,431 --> 00:04:20,001 Their offerings have heart and balls in equal measure, 73 00:04:20,042 --> 00:04:22,222 and they're here today to spill their secrets. 74 00:04:22,262 --> 00:04:25,092 Josh, Elijah, Daniel, thank you guys so much for being here today. 75 00:04:25,134 --> 00:04:26,744 Oh, thank you for having us.Thanks for having us. 76 00:04:26,788 --> 00:04:28,488 Oh, man. You gravitate towards genre films, 77 00:04:28,529 --> 00:04:30,489 specifically, you know, horror films. 78 00:04:30,531 --> 00:04:35,491 What is so fascinating to you about genre films in particular? 79 00:04:35,536 --> 00:04:38,406 The ceiling's blown off. There are less restraints. 80 00:04:38,452 --> 00:04:40,412 I find it to be very artful. 81 00:04:40,454 --> 00:04:43,074 I feel like it's open for risk in certain ways 82 00:04:43,108 --> 00:04:46,238 that a traditional comedy or a traditional drama 83 00:04:46,286 --> 00:04:47,846 wouldn't necessarily allow. 84 00:04:47,896 --> 00:04:50,116 Um, I like to equate it to a roller coaster. 85 00:04:50,159 --> 00:04:52,859 I think a horror movie and a roller coaster are the same dynamic. 86 00:04:52,901 --> 00:04:55,691 You are going to confront a fear, 87 00:04:55,730 --> 00:04:58,300 head-on, knowing that you're safe. 88 00:04:58,341 --> 00:05:01,131 When you're on a roller coaster, 89 00:05:01,170 --> 00:05:03,910 your body goes, "Danger! You're gonna die," right? 90 00:05:03,955 --> 00:05:06,125 But, intellectually, you're like, "No, I know I'm okay," 91 00:05:06,175 --> 00:05:07,955 so you get to confront death 92 00:05:08,003 --> 00:05:10,093 every time you're on a roller coaster. Right. 93 00:05:10,135 --> 00:05:12,355 That's so true.And I think it's the same with -- with a horror film. 94 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:14,709 You know, some people don't like horror, and that's okay. 95 00:05:14,749 --> 00:05:17,059 They don't enjoy -- They don't find that therapeutic. 96 00:05:17,099 --> 00:05:19,359 I happen to. After September 11th... 97 00:05:19,406 --> 00:05:21,926 I was there. I was downtown when it happened. 98 00:05:21,973 --> 00:05:24,763 Like, I saw it with my own eyes. And I was traumatized. 99 00:05:24,802 --> 00:05:27,632 Like, it was -- it was a deeply, deeply traumatic experience. 100 00:05:27,675 --> 00:05:30,675 So, I think it was a week later, "Jeepers Creepers" opened, 101 00:05:30,721 --> 00:05:34,811 and it was the first movie I saw after 9/11. 102 00:05:34,856 --> 00:05:39,296 That night, I had debilitatingly terrifying nightmares 103 00:05:39,339 --> 00:05:41,339 about the Creeper pursuing me, 104 00:05:41,384 --> 00:05:44,214 that were just, like -- like, chill to the bone. 105 00:05:44,256 --> 00:05:46,216 And -- And I woke up, and I was like, "Wow. 106 00:05:46,258 --> 00:05:48,128 I was really rattled by that dream." 107 00:05:48,173 --> 00:05:51,093 But I realized, it was the first time I wasn't thinking about 9/11. 108 00:05:51,133 --> 00:05:53,443 And I felt this incredible, like, relief, 109 00:05:53,483 --> 00:05:55,093 and I was like, "Why is the Creeper 110 00:05:55,137 --> 00:05:57,397 getting under my skin so much? Oh, right." 111 00:05:57,444 --> 00:05:59,884 It's the story of very innocent people 112 00:05:59,924 --> 00:06:02,194 just driving down the road of life, 113 00:06:02,231 --> 00:06:06,191 and, out of nowhere, this horrific force appears, 114 00:06:06,235 --> 00:06:10,105 hell-bent on destroying them, for reasons you don't know. 115 00:06:10,152 --> 00:06:12,422 And it's absolutely relentless, and it wins. 116 00:06:12,459 --> 00:06:15,419 But it was a real revelation for me, like, that horror movies 117 00:06:15,462 --> 00:06:17,862 can have a therapeutic quality to them. 118 00:06:17,899 --> 00:06:21,819 And some of the most cathartic movie experiences of my life 119 00:06:21,859 --> 00:06:24,949 have been -- have been horror films. 120 00:06:24,993 --> 00:06:26,433 Damn. Damn. 121 00:06:26,473 --> 00:06:28,043 That was fuck-- I mean, that's brilliant. 122 00:06:28,083 --> 00:06:30,043 I've been thinking about this for years. 123 00:06:30,085 --> 00:06:32,035 That's -- 124 00:06:32,087 --> 00:06:34,177 So, how did you guys even meet? 125 00:06:34,219 --> 00:06:37,749 We met on a project that never came to fruition -- 126 00:06:37,788 --> 00:06:40,968 that he wrote, he was going to direct. 127 00:06:41,009 --> 00:06:44,929 And a mutual friend of ours put me in contact with them 128 00:06:44,969 --> 00:06:47,929 and said, "They've got this sort of thing that they want to pitch you on." 129 00:06:47,972 --> 00:06:50,632 And I met them for lunch, and they pitched me on this project, 130 00:06:50,671 --> 00:06:53,111 and I loved it, and then we became friends. 131 00:06:53,151 --> 00:06:56,461 We would, you know, kind of meet up as actor/writer/director 132 00:06:56,503 --> 00:06:58,773 to talk about the project that we were working on. 133 00:06:58,809 --> 00:07:01,329 And then finally Daniel and I had this conversation 134 00:07:01,377 --> 00:07:03,727 where it's like, "Does Elijah keep bringing up this idea 135 00:07:03,771 --> 00:07:05,511 of a horror company to you?" 136 00:07:05,555 --> 00:07:07,075 And it's like, "Yeah. Why the fu-- 137 00:07:07,122 --> 00:07:08,562 Why does he keep doing that?" 138 00:07:08,602 --> 00:07:10,082 So we met up one night, 139 00:07:10,125 --> 00:07:12,475 and we were like, "Let's do this." 140 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:13,869 And we started a company.Yeah. 141 00:07:13,911 --> 00:07:15,301 When we first started the company, 142 00:07:15,347 --> 00:07:17,477 you know, we reached out to friends 143 00:07:17,524 --> 00:07:19,094 in the creative industry 144 00:07:19,134 --> 00:07:21,094 and, you know, people that we knew 145 00:07:21,136 --> 00:07:23,486 might have a project. 146 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:26,270 And we had the same pitch to them for, like, the first two years. 147 00:07:26,315 --> 00:07:27,705 We'd meet these people, and we'd say, 148 00:07:27,751 --> 00:07:30,151 "Do you have a passion project that is in the genre 149 00:07:30,188 --> 00:07:32,408 to horror space and isn't getting any traction? 150 00:07:32,452 --> 00:07:34,022 We want to read that thing." 151 00:07:34,062 --> 00:07:35,892 We tend to gravitate towards 152 00:07:35,933 --> 00:07:38,243 what we unanimously like 153 00:07:38,283 --> 00:07:41,243 and what we unanimously have a heart response on.Mickey: Mm-hmm. 154 00:07:41,286 --> 00:07:44,196 We're not like "Oh, well, if two of likes it 155 00:07:44,246 --> 00:07:45,546 and one of us doesn't, 156 00:07:45,595 --> 00:07:47,635 then we're still gonna do it anyways." 157 00:07:47,684 --> 00:07:50,174 We're artists first, 158 00:07:50,208 --> 00:07:52,558 and then our backgrounds are as "talent." 159 00:07:52,602 --> 00:07:55,082 I think that we take in material through, 160 00:07:55,126 --> 00:07:57,296 like, a different portal than most people 161 00:07:57,346 --> 00:08:00,306 that are on the "business side."That's a really good way to put it. 162 00:08:00,349 --> 00:08:03,129 Yeah. When I'm working with a filmmaker on a script, 163 00:08:03,178 --> 00:08:07,308 I will be very challenging and -- and -- and push and go, 164 00:08:07,356 --> 00:08:09,836 "I think, you know, I think you can go further with this. 165 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,880 I think -- You know, what is this about for you?" 166 00:08:11,926 --> 00:08:14,446 Something that we always say at the top of every process is, 167 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:16,544 the goal is to make a classic. Yeah. 168 00:08:16,583 --> 00:08:18,803 That is the objective, is to make a classic film.Yeah. 169 00:08:18,846 --> 00:08:20,886 That kind of process sounds almost like 170 00:08:20,935 --> 00:08:23,545 the golden age of like 70's Hollywood filmmaking...Totally. 171 00:08:23,590 --> 00:08:25,240 ...where they were really about that.Yeah. Yeah. 172 00:08:25,287 --> 00:08:26,767 Were there any more established companies 173 00:08:26,810 --> 00:08:28,680 that you guys looked to to say, "All right, 174 00:08:28,725 --> 00:08:30,245 we're gonna start this company. We're gonna do it"? 175 00:08:30,292 --> 00:08:31,952 We actually didn't really think about 176 00:08:31,989 --> 00:08:34,819 fashioning our company so much based on a film company, 177 00:08:34,862 --> 00:08:37,432 but we actually thought of it more as a record label. 178 00:08:37,473 --> 00:08:40,353 If you're a music fan, like, for instance, if you love Aphex Twin, 179 00:08:40,389 --> 00:08:42,999 you probably know other artists on Warp Records. 180 00:08:43,044 --> 00:08:46,314 So whatever Warp puts out, you're probably gonna be interested in it. 181 00:08:46,351 --> 00:08:48,621 And that's kind of of what we were thinking about in regards to SpectreVision, 182 00:08:48,658 --> 00:08:51,008 like, how -- how can we curate this in such a way 183 00:08:51,052 --> 00:08:54,452 and create a sense of identity that people can kind of connect with? 184 00:08:54,490 --> 00:08:56,580 That, at the very least, if they liked the one thing, 185 00:08:56,623 --> 00:08:59,233 that there's some trust there that the next thing that we make 186 00:08:59,277 --> 00:09:00,977 is probably gonna be in their wheelhouse. 187 00:09:01,018 --> 00:09:03,458 When your logo pops up, is there a certain thing 188 00:09:03,499 --> 00:09:05,459 that you want the audience to feel or expect 189 00:09:05,501 --> 00:09:07,111 or anything like that? 190 00:09:07,155 --> 00:09:09,155 We're looking to make the movies that no one else is making. 191 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,680 Mm-hmm.The misfit children. 192 00:09:10,724 --> 00:09:12,734 I think we're trying to also make movies 193 00:09:12,769 --> 00:09:15,159 that otherwise wouldn't get made in some cases. 194 00:09:15,206 --> 00:09:17,206 Yeah.I mean, "Greasy Strangler" is a really good example of that, 195 00:09:17,252 --> 00:09:19,912 where I don't know that that movie would've gotten made 196 00:09:19,950 --> 00:09:22,080 if it hadn't been for a bunch of maniacs getting together 197 00:09:22,126 --> 00:09:25,166 and banding behind Jim Hosking as a director. 198 00:09:29,525 --> 00:09:31,745 How the fuck did that movie come about? 199 00:09:31,788 --> 00:09:35,308 I was introduced to Jim Hosking's work, like, a year prior, 200 00:09:35,357 --> 00:09:37,097 and I watched a bunch of his short films and commercials 201 00:09:37,141 --> 00:09:38,361 and fell in love with his work. 202 00:09:38,403 --> 00:09:39,673 And then Ant Timpson, 203 00:09:39,709 --> 00:09:41,149 who we're friends with, e-mailed me, 204 00:09:41,189 --> 00:09:42,759 and he's like, "I have this thing 205 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:44,799 called 'The Greasy Stranger,' and you need to read it. 206 00:09:44,845 --> 00:09:47,195 You guys with SpectreVision should join us and get -- 207 00:09:47,238 --> 00:09:49,408 like, we'll all band together and make this movie." 208 00:09:49,458 --> 00:09:51,498 And I immediately read it. 209 00:09:51,547 --> 00:09:54,637 I read it in a fitness magazine someone left on the bus. 210 00:09:54,681 --> 00:09:57,211 That's horse shit! You're a bullshit artist! 211 00:09:57,248 --> 00:09:59,378 45 minutes later, I was, like, 212 00:09:59,424 --> 00:10:02,174 quoting "bullshit artist" to Ant on my phone, 213 00:10:02,210 --> 00:10:04,470 fell in love with it, and then sent it to these guys. 214 00:10:04,516 --> 00:10:06,866 And that's kind of how it all came together. 215 00:10:06,910 --> 00:10:08,260 The thing that's so stand-out 216 00:10:08,303 --> 00:10:11,053 about the entire filmography of the company 217 00:10:11,088 --> 00:10:14,138 is that they're not these standard horror-geek movies. 218 00:10:14,178 --> 00:10:16,438 That was something that we talked about very early on, 219 00:10:16,485 --> 00:10:19,705 was, you know, if you removed the genre elements, 220 00:10:19,749 --> 00:10:21,449 would you still have a compelling story? 221 00:10:21,490 --> 00:10:23,490 It was almost a litmus test for us, 222 00:10:23,535 --> 00:10:25,885 in terms of material that we were entertaining, 223 00:10:25,929 --> 00:10:29,629 where, if we are falling in love with something, 224 00:10:29,672 --> 00:10:31,892 the test was, "Well, if we took all of the things 225 00:10:31,935 --> 00:10:33,935 that make it exciting out, 226 00:10:33,981 --> 00:10:36,421 is there a compelling story there underneath?"Mm-hmm. 227 00:10:36,461 --> 00:10:38,861 And that was always kind of our criteria. 228 00:10:38,899 --> 00:10:40,899 A great genre film is a drama. Yeah. 229 00:10:40,944 --> 00:10:44,084 And -- and a comparison I like to make is that 230 00:10:44,121 --> 00:10:46,911 "Poltergeist" and "Ordinary People" are the same movie. 231 00:10:46,950 --> 00:10:50,950 They're -- they're both the story of a family with demons. 232 00:10:50,998 --> 00:10:53,778 And in "Poltergeist," the demons are literal. 233 00:10:53,827 --> 00:10:57,177 And in "Ordinary People," they're metaphorical. Right. 234 00:10:57,221 --> 00:10:59,791 Both films are about families finding the courage 235 00:10:59,833 --> 00:11:02,923 to confront the demon and surviving. 236 00:11:02,966 --> 00:11:05,706 I think that "Poltergeist," without that kind of depth, 237 00:11:05,752 --> 00:11:07,282 it wouldn't have the impact that it has. 238 00:11:07,318 --> 00:11:09,708 If you don't care about the characters, 239 00:11:09,756 --> 00:11:13,716 then it's really nothing more than pornography.Yeah. 240 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,460 When we attack scripts that way -- This is a drama. 241 00:11:16,501 --> 00:11:19,721 What are the beats of the human drama in this story?Mm-hmm. Right. 242 00:11:19,766 --> 00:11:22,026 By way of example, we pulled some scenes from our films 243 00:11:22,072 --> 00:11:23,862 that I think really get at this idea 244 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:26,340 that, under the genre, is a drama. 245 00:11:26,381 --> 00:11:28,121 Cool. 246 00:11:30,515 --> 00:11:32,685 Aah! 247 00:11:35,042 --> 00:11:36,572 I call bullshit on that! 248 00:11:36,608 --> 00:11:38,438 Bull...shit...ar...tist. 249 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,000 You're covered in horse shit! 250 00:11:42,049 --> 00:11:44,749 We never really got along, though, did we? 251 00:11:44,791 --> 00:11:46,751 Yeah. 252 00:11:46,793 --> 00:11:49,753 By which I mean, nah. 253 00:11:49,796 --> 00:11:52,756 Daniel: We wanted to look at this scene because we always talk about, 254 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:54,449 you know, "What is the heart of each movie," 255 00:11:54,496 --> 00:11:55,886 and, "What makes it a drama?" 256 00:11:55,932 --> 00:11:57,852 And -- and "Greasy Strangler," 257 00:11:57,891 --> 00:12:01,291 which is thought of as being, you know, 258 00:12:01,329 --> 00:12:04,849 a gross-out kind of movie, is actually very sweet. 259 00:12:04,898 --> 00:12:06,598 Yeah. It's a love story. 260 00:12:06,638 --> 00:12:09,208 But it's not a love story between Brayden and Janet. 261 00:12:09,250 --> 00:12:12,250 It's a love story between Ronnie and Brayden. 262 00:12:12,296 --> 00:12:13,726 Yeah. 263 00:12:13,776 --> 00:12:15,166 This is the scene toward the end 264 00:12:15,212 --> 00:12:19,302 where Ronnie, who is a-a selfish bastard, 265 00:12:19,347 --> 00:12:22,787 uh, he tells this story about Travolta 266 00:12:22,829 --> 00:12:24,829 and when Brayden was a little boy. 267 00:12:24,874 --> 00:12:27,884 You probably won't remember this, but when you were small, 268 00:12:27,921 --> 00:12:31,231 we stayed on John Travolta's luxury yacht in the Caribbean. 269 00:12:31,272 --> 00:12:32,842 After this point forward, they -- 270 00:12:32,882 --> 00:12:34,972 they're -- they're together, uh, in the movie, 271 00:12:35,015 --> 00:12:36,885 whereas they've been at odds, you know, all along. 272 00:12:36,930 --> 00:12:38,890 Let's kill Ricky Prickles. 273 00:12:38,932 --> 00:12:41,802 Both: Let's kill Ricky Prickles. 274 00:12:48,855 --> 00:12:53,115 ♪ They got my boy 275 00:12:53,163 --> 00:12:54,823 ♪ Tell me what... 276 00:12:54,861 --> 00:12:57,691 You know what today is?My birthday. 277 00:12:57,733 --> 00:12:59,693 Josh: This is a scene from "The Boy." 278 00:12:59,735 --> 00:13:02,215 It's Ted's birthday -- the little boy -- 279 00:13:02,259 --> 00:13:05,699 and, uh, they have been living out on their own, 280 00:13:05,741 --> 00:13:08,571 out in the middle of -- the middle of nowhere, 281 00:13:08,613 --> 00:13:10,663 and they have no one except for each other. 282 00:13:10,702 --> 00:13:13,312 They're mother and wife abandoned them both years prior. 283 00:13:13,357 --> 00:13:16,747 Daniel: This really cuts to the heart of what "The Boy" is all about. 284 00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:19,886 It is the story of a boy who desperately needs parenting 285 00:13:19,929 --> 00:13:22,849 and a father who wants to provide that parenting. 286 00:13:22,889 --> 00:13:24,409 But he just doesn't have the tools. 287 00:13:24,455 --> 00:13:26,845 He just -- he just wasn't hardwired to be a good dad. 288 00:13:26,893 --> 00:13:29,983 And so, the reason "The Boy" is so tragic to me is that, 289 00:13:30,026 --> 00:13:32,326 you know, this father really is trying. 290 00:13:32,376 --> 00:13:33,676 He really is trying. 291 00:13:33,725 --> 00:13:35,985 Turn it off! 292 00:13:36,032 --> 00:13:38,382 Oh, you loved this song. 293 00:13:38,426 --> 00:13:41,076 We used to sing it to you every night before you went to -- 294 00:13:41,124 --> 00:13:45,094 Ted... Oh, come on. 295 00:13:45,128 --> 00:13:46,428 Ted. 296 00:13:46,477 --> 00:13:47,867 Oof. Oh, yeah. 297 00:13:47,914 --> 00:13:49,484 Right to the heart.And it's that thing, too, 298 00:13:49,524 --> 00:13:51,274 is, if circumstances had been different, 299 00:13:51,308 --> 00:13:52,878 would the boy have turned out -- Yes. 300 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:54,219 Would the boy have turned out differently? 301 00:13:54,268 --> 00:13:55,658 Differently, yeah. 302 00:13:56,923 --> 00:13:59,103 The virus is only dangerous 303 00:13:59,142 --> 00:14:01,412 if you haven't gone through puberty. 304 00:14:01,449 --> 00:14:03,149 Are you kidding me? 305 00:14:05,627 --> 00:14:08,667 It probably isn't the greatest timing, 306 00:14:08,717 --> 00:14:11,287 but I have a confession to make. 307 00:14:11,328 --> 00:14:13,718 This is from "Cooties," 308 00:14:13,765 --> 00:14:17,155 and, um, this is just an emotional moment 309 00:14:17,204 --> 00:14:21,904 between two substitute teachers, 310 00:14:21,948 --> 00:14:24,338 which kind of cuts to core of, you know, 311 00:14:24,385 --> 00:14:26,335 the emotional truth of these two characters. 312 00:14:26,387 --> 00:14:29,427 And they're in the midst of a child-zombie outbreak. 313 00:14:31,435 --> 00:14:32,915 Daniel: What we always talked about with this one 314 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:36,309 is the idea that childhood dreams are toxic. 315 00:14:36,353 --> 00:14:40,183 The three leads are all haunted by an idea 316 00:14:40,227 --> 00:14:43,137 of what their life would be when they were children. 317 00:14:43,186 --> 00:14:46,016 And the children are the sort of demonic force 318 00:14:46,059 --> 00:14:47,969 that is your childhood innocence...Yeah, that's exactly it. 319 00:14:48,017 --> 00:14:50,757 ...and that they literally have to kill the children, 320 00:14:50,802 --> 00:14:52,672 they have to kill the innocence, 321 00:14:52,717 --> 00:14:56,067 to be free and accept their lives as they are now. 322 00:14:56,112 --> 00:14:57,372 Mm-hmm. 323 00:14:57,418 --> 00:14:59,378 And I would... 324 00:14:59,420 --> 00:15:01,420 look out at the kids and my class, 325 00:15:01,465 --> 00:15:05,725 and I-I found myself getting... jealous of them. 326 00:15:05,774 --> 00:15:07,994 And so, this scene was critical, because it's the scene 327 00:15:08,037 --> 00:15:09,687 where they both admit that their lives 328 00:15:09,734 --> 00:15:11,264 didn't turn out the way that they had hoped. 329 00:15:11,301 --> 00:15:12,651 Right. 330 00:15:21,224 --> 00:15:24,054 Josh: This is from "A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night." 331 00:15:24,097 --> 00:15:26,747 Um, this is a scene, uh, 332 00:15:26,795 --> 00:15:29,885 where the girl confronts this little boy 333 00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:32,319 who is just kind of this little boy 334 00:15:32,366 --> 00:15:34,666 who's always walking around Bad City. 335 00:15:34,716 --> 00:15:38,976 The crux of it is telling him not to be bad. 336 00:15:39,025 --> 00:15:41,675 The scene always struck me as being incredibly complex, 337 00:15:41,723 --> 00:15:44,773 because -- you know, kudos to Lily -- 338 00:15:44,813 --> 00:15:46,683 because it's one of the only scenes in the movie 339 00:15:46,728 --> 00:15:48,688 where the vampire behaves in a way 340 00:15:48,730 --> 00:15:50,820 that we expect a vampire to behave. 341 00:15:50,862 --> 00:15:52,822 Just, like, stalking a victim.Mm. 342 00:15:52,864 --> 00:15:54,954 But she doesn't attack him. 343 00:15:54,997 --> 00:15:57,777 She comes at him very aggressively. 344 00:15:57,826 --> 00:16:00,176 But then what she actually does is the opposite of an attack. 345 00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:02,790 She tries to protect him. And what I've always -- 346 00:16:02,831 --> 00:16:04,271 The way I've always viewed this scene is 347 00:16:04,311 --> 00:16:06,361 it's a little window into her past. 348 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:07,880 Someone hurt her.Mm-hmm. 349 00:16:07,923 --> 00:16:11,413 A man hurt her at some point in her long, long life. 350 00:16:11,448 --> 00:16:14,408 And if you look carefully at who she goes after in the movie -- 351 00:16:14,451 --> 00:16:16,501 She goes after shitty dudes.Yeah. 352 00:16:16,540 --> 00:16:18,280 It's true.Only really shitty dudes. 353 00:16:18,325 --> 00:16:21,235 Yeah.You know? And for a character that's so stoic... 354 00:16:21,284 --> 00:16:24,164 You know, the -- the emotional inner life 355 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,070 is so, like, tempestuous for this character.Mm-hmm. 356 00:16:28,117 --> 00:16:29,897 She's just a brilliant actor. 357 00:16:29,945 --> 00:16:31,725 Oh, she's incredible -- Sheila Vand. 358 00:16:31,773 --> 00:16:33,953 Oh, my God. Look at this. 359 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:36,043 "I'll ask you one more time. Tell the truth. 360 00:16:36,082 --> 00:16:38,082 Are you a good boy?" 361 00:16:44,264 --> 00:16:45,744 Of course she knows he's a good boy. 362 00:16:45,787 --> 00:16:47,787 She's trying to scare him into staying good. 363 00:16:47,832 --> 00:16:49,442 Yeah. Exactly.Yeah. 364 00:16:49,486 --> 00:16:52,356 Well, there we have it, guys. 365 00:16:52,402 --> 00:16:54,712 I think what's so important about your company is that, 366 00:16:54,752 --> 00:16:57,192 every single one of these movies adds to this element of -- 367 00:16:57,233 --> 00:16:59,243 there is an artistic value to horror films. 368 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:01,019 Almost kind of --Well, look, a phrase I like to use a lot 369 00:17:01,063 --> 00:17:02,673 is that genre is a Trojan Horse. 370 00:17:02,717 --> 00:17:06,157 People show up for the titillating elements, 371 00:17:06,199 --> 00:17:10,769 but the best genre filmmakers sneak in ideas 372 00:17:10,812 --> 00:17:12,902 and themes that cut to the bone. 373 00:17:12,944 --> 00:17:15,304 They're not "Friday the 13th Part V." 374 00:17:15,338 --> 00:17:17,338 As much as we all love those films, you know? 375 00:17:17,384 --> 00:17:19,044 Like, they're --I don't even know that we've made 376 00:17:19,081 --> 00:17:20,601 an out-and-out horror, have we? 377 00:17:20,648 --> 00:17:21,948 Yeah, no. I don't think so. No. 378 00:17:21,997 --> 00:17:23,517 I mean, we've made movies that 379 00:17:23,564 --> 00:17:25,394 you could loosely define as horror films.Mm-hmm. 380 00:17:25,435 --> 00:17:27,865 But an out-and-out classical horror movie? 381 00:17:27,916 --> 00:17:29,306 We've not made one yet.No way. 382 00:17:29,352 --> 00:17:31,142 Actually, I want to pick your brain about that. 383 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:33,100 Can I help? Yeah, let's -- let's do it. 384 00:17:33,139 --> 00:17:34,619 Yeah. Wha? 385 00:17:43,975 --> 00:17:46,665 Careful what you wish for. 386 00:17:52,854 --> 00:17:55,164 So, we killed Elijah Wood. 387 00:17:55,204 --> 00:17:57,124 Aah! Oh, shit! I'm still here. 388 00:17:57,163 --> 00:17:58,903 That'll make legal work way easier. 389 00:17:58,947 --> 00:18:01,167 Jim, why don't you show us how you did that? 390 00:18:01,210 --> 00:18:02,820 So, we start off with a head mold, 391 00:18:02,864 --> 00:18:05,134 and then we cast a silicone skin. 392 00:18:05,171 --> 00:18:08,001 The key is, for a head to crush like this, 393 00:18:08,043 --> 00:18:10,743 is to basically paint in, um, something hard. 394 00:18:10,785 --> 00:18:12,265 In this case, we have fiberglass -- 395 00:18:12,308 --> 00:18:14,618 a fiberglass shell inside. 396 00:18:14,658 --> 00:18:17,358 And then you can glue little bits of, like, you know... 397 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:18,880 Brain matter....brain matter, 398 00:18:18,923 --> 00:18:20,363 which you can just make out of latex. 399 00:18:20,403 --> 00:18:22,283 Oh, fantastic.Nurnies, as we call them. 400 00:18:22,318 --> 00:18:23,708 Nurnies? Nurnies. 401 00:18:23,754 --> 00:18:25,714 Nurnies?Nurnies. Nurnies. 402 00:18:25,756 --> 00:18:29,276 Nurnies is the technical term for latex stuff that's just -- 403 00:18:29,325 --> 00:18:31,585 All of your insides are made of nurnies.All right. 404 00:18:31,632 --> 00:18:34,372 So, t-the reason that we need the hard shell inside 405 00:18:34,417 --> 00:18:37,587 is so that, when we assemble it in pieces, 406 00:18:37,638 --> 00:18:40,078 that you can actually tack with a little super glue. 407 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,379 So like, okay, you can put this guy's piece, 408 00:18:42,425 --> 00:18:44,645 and then you can just do a couple tacks to the glass -- 409 00:18:44,688 --> 00:18:46,038 the fiberglass -- together.Oh, cool. 410 00:18:46,081 --> 00:18:47,561 That holds it in place. 411 00:18:47,604 --> 00:18:49,654 And then you eventually have, like, a whole head. 412 00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:51,963 But it's because it's just tacked a little bit, 413 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,480 these guys can go in and crush it, no problem. 414 00:18:56,265 --> 00:19:00,135 To get the explosiveness out of it, we made an air cannon. 415 00:19:00,182 --> 00:19:01,792 So...I love the air cannons. 416 00:19:01,836 --> 00:19:04,836 ...that's like this high-pressure industrial cannon 417 00:19:04,882 --> 00:19:09,542 that, uh, goes up to 100 pounds of pressure per square inch.Wow. 418 00:19:09,583 --> 00:19:12,983 To safely detonate your air cannon, 419 00:19:13,021 --> 00:19:15,461 we actually made a detonation box. 420 00:19:15,502 --> 00:19:17,942 So, once -- The red light's on. It's live. 421 00:19:17,982 --> 00:19:19,722 And then three, two, one, bam. 422 00:19:19,767 --> 00:19:21,377 How fun is it to press that button?And -- and it's -- 423 00:19:21,421 --> 00:19:23,291 It's got to be so satisfying. 424 00:19:23,336 --> 00:19:25,206 I -- I-I always hog that to myself 425 00:19:25,251 --> 00:19:27,691 Because it's just --Yeah. "No, it's mine to push." 426 00:19:27,731 --> 00:19:30,131 It's just awesome.Did you ever consider, instead of doing the switch, 427 00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:33,039 one of the classic, like -- ssst! -- boxes? 428 00:19:33,084 --> 00:19:35,094 You're like, "Yeah!"That would be -- yeah.TNT. 429 00:19:35,130 --> 00:19:37,830 Yeah, it just says "X."So then it's like, "Oh, what do we fill it with? 430 00:19:37,872 --> 00:19:39,572 What comes out?" 'Cause you don't want to just have blood. 431 00:19:39,613 --> 00:19:41,403 Elijah: Right.That's boring. 432 00:19:41,441 --> 00:19:43,401 There's a lot of just things you can't make to look organic, 433 00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:45,533 so you just buy organic materials. 434 00:19:45,575 --> 00:19:50,005 Like, you can get crushed tomatoes, and...boom. 435 00:19:50,058 --> 00:19:52,148 Tasted those.Fake blood. 436 00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:54,111 And then, banana is always the key, 437 00:19:54,149 --> 00:19:58,499 because once that's, like, mashed up... 438 00:19:58,545 --> 00:20:00,065 and in the blood...Is that your brain matter? 439 00:20:00,111 --> 00:20:02,901 Now, Josh, you seem fairly uncomfortable with this. 440 00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:04,900 Don't call me out on camera. 441 00:20:04,942 --> 00:20:08,122 Yes. I'm uneasy by the way this looks. 442 00:20:08,163 --> 00:20:10,253 And sounds, by the way.But see, 443 00:20:10,296 --> 00:20:12,906 then those little light bits, when they hit something...Ohh! 444 00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:16,130 But usually -- especially if you let your banana get a little old, 445 00:20:16,171 --> 00:20:17,831 when it hits a window or something 446 00:20:17,868 --> 00:20:20,648 or hits somebody's head or hits little bits like this, 447 00:20:20,697 --> 00:20:23,607 it's gonna stick and cling, which is great.Elijah: Yeah. 448 00:20:23,657 --> 00:20:26,137 You know, you don't want -- you don't want your brain...You don't want your cool-looking shit just rolling off. 449 00:20:26,181 --> 00:20:27,971 Brain matter's got to stick. 450 00:20:28,009 --> 00:20:31,009 That's the key to doing this type of head explosion. 451 00:20:31,055 --> 00:20:33,135 If you're on a super-limited budget, 452 00:20:33,188 --> 00:20:35,838 something you could do, like they did in this infamous scene 453 00:20:35,886 --> 00:20:37,626 in the first "Toxic Avenger," 454 00:20:37,671 --> 00:20:40,801 they didn't have money, and they crushed a little kid's head. 455 00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:42,198 You get the close-up of the tire, 456 00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:43,721 close up of the kid like, "Oh, shit," 457 00:20:43,764 --> 00:20:46,334 and then bam, they cut to a shot behind his head, 458 00:20:46,375 --> 00:20:48,245 and they put a wig over a melon... 459 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:49,900 Oh, amazing. 460 00:20:49,944 --> 00:20:51,774 ...and filled the melon with all this kind of crap. 461 00:20:51,815 --> 00:20:55,515 It explodes all over the ground, and it's super disturbing. 462 00:20:55,558 --> 00:20:57,388 Oh, my God.It got it like an X rating. 463 00:20:57,430 --> 00:21:01,390 So, how did you guys do that one head kind of, like, bulging 464 00:21:01,434 --> 00:21:03,744 in "Greasy Strangler" at the potato-chips machine? 465 00:21:03,784 --> 00:21:05,834 Oh, yeah.Well, there was the -- 466 00:21:05,873 --> 00:21:09,183 the -- the punch-in when -- when Greasy punches, 467 00:21:09,224 --> 00:21:10,834 you know, by the -- by the vending machine 468 00:21:10,878 --> 00:21:13,358 and his face just caves in. Yeah. 469 00:21:13,402 --> 00:21:18,232 Um, and that was, uh -- We just built, you know, a fake head. 470 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:19,797 Did something, like, suck it back? 471 00:21:19,843 --> 00:21:21,503 Or was it just meant to, like, cave in? 472 00:21:21,541 --> 00:21:23,191 No, it was meant to cave in.Okay. 473 00:21:23,238 --> 00:21:24,938 And then -- And then later, digitally, 474 00:21:24,979 --> 00:21:27,109 we went in and made the eyes blink 475 00:21:27,155 --> 00:21:30,195 after the whole face is caved in with the fist.All right. 476 00:21:30,245 --> 00:21:32,025 That's very effective. That's awesome. Yeah. 477 00:21:32,073 --> 00:21:34,383 And everything else that we've done, for the most part, 478 00:21:34,423 --> 00:21:36,253 I guess, has been, like, somewhat conventional. 479 00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:39,245 In "Cooties," there's, uh, one of the little kids, 480 00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:44,258 who is, uh, on top of the truck that his character is driving. 481 00:21:44,303 --> 00:21:47,833 And so, he slams on the brakes, and it sends this 11-year-old 482 00:21:47,871 --> 00:21:51,221 flying and skidding on the asphalt face-first. 483 00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:53,046 Mm-hmm.So when the kid gets up, 484 00:21:53,094 --> 00:21:56,404 his jaw is hanging out, but he's still alive. 485 00:21:56,445 --> 00:21:58,225 And that was just a matter of, like, 486 00:21:58,273 --> 00:22:00,713 building a-a fake jaw that's hanging down.A jaw piece. 487 00:22:00,754 --> 00:22:02,804 And there was a green screen sort of --Um, and then painted -- 488 00:22:02,843 --> 00:22:05,153 That's right.They took green paint and painted all of his mouth 489 00:22:05,193 --> 00:22:08,023 because negative space is really difficult to do practically. 490 00:22:08,065 --> 00:22:09,495 Right. 491 00:22:09,545 --> 00:22:11,625 So you kind of have to go and digitally augment it, 492 00:22:11,678 --> 00:22:13,548 just to fill that negative. Wow. 493 00:22:15,116 --> 00:22:16,936 Guys, this has been awesome. 494 00:22:16,987 --> 00:22:19,077 Thank you, Jim. Thank you, SpectreVision. 495 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,950 See ya. Later. All right. 496 00:22:20,991 --> 00:22:23,041 Let's get you messed up. 497 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,780 Ohh! No! 498 00:22:28,085 --> 00:22:29,775 Daniel's story about confronting his fears 499 00:22:29,826 --> 00:22:31,046 while watching "Jeepers Creepers" 500 00:22:31,088 --> 00:22:32,658 made me start to think. 501 00:22:32,699 --> 00:22:35,089 Can horror films really have therapeutic benefits? 502 00:22:35,136 --> 00:22:37,006 I have someone with me today who helps people 503 00:22:37,051 --> 00:22:38,971 confront their phobias via the screen -- 504 00:22:39,009 --> 00:22:41,139 the virtual-reality screen. 505 00:22:42,752 --> 00:22:45,452 Dr. Brenda Weiderhold, thank you so much for joining me. 506 00:22:45,494 --> 00:22:47,414 Thank you.So, why don't we talk about 507 00:22:47,453 --> 00:22:49,413 the Virtual Reality Medical Center. Okay. 508 00:22:49,455 --> 00:22:52,195 Well, we started it in 1996 509 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,590 with one room and one office in San Diego. 510 00:22:54,634 --> 00:22:57,074 We know have three clinics in California 511 00:22:57,114 --> 00:22:59,294 and one in Belgium and one in China. Wow. 512 00:22:59,334 --> 00:23:01,644 People seem to be really responding to it. Yeah. 513 00:23:01,684 --> 00:23:03,514 It's very real for people, 514 00:23:03,556 --> 00:23:05,206 and it's very exciting for people to come 515 00:23:05,253 --> 00:23:07,603 that haven't been able to get help with their phobias, 516 00:23:07,647 --> 00:23:09,687 their anxieties, their stress, their fears. 517 00:23:09,736 --> 00:23:12,086 What does your practice address 518 00:23:12,129 --> 00:23:13,739 that I can go and get treated for? 519 00:23:13,783 --> 00:23:15,793 So, public speaking, heights, 520 00:23:15,829 --> 00:23:19,489 flying, fear of blood and needles, spiders. 521 00:23:19,528 --> 00:23:23,048 In specific phobias, we have a 92% success rate. 522 00:23:23,097 --> 00:23:26,187 That's amazing. So, say I'm terrified of spiders. 523 00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:28,190 Okay.What is my experience like 524 00:23:28,232 --> 00:23:30,232 with spider therapy? Okay. 525 00:23:30,278 --> 00:23:32,278 So, what I'm gonna do first is, 526 00:23:32,323 --> 00:23:34,763 I want to teach you how to control your breathing 527 00:23:34,804 --> 00:23:36,634 because I want to give you a coping skill 528 00:23:36,676 --> 00:23:38,456 to use during the virtual reality. 529 00:23:38,504 --> 00:23:41,124 Virtual reality is very overwhelming for some people. 530 00:23:41,158 --> 00:23:44,248 Some people have panic attacks, they have flashbacks. 531 00:23:44,292 --> 00:23:47,082 So, not everybody's able to do it immediately. 532 00:23:47,121 --> 00:23:48,951 When I put you into the virtual reality, 533 00:23:48,992 --> 00:23:50,862 I'm gonna monitor your heart rate the whole time. 534 00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:52,947 Okay. 'Cause I want to know what's happening to you. 535 00:23:52,996 --> 00:23:55,426 First, I'm gonna have you in a room with one spider. 536 00:23:55,477 --> 00:23:57,777 If your heart rate does nothing, then I'll put two spiders 537 00:23:57,827 --> 00:23:59,867 or three spiders or a larger spider. 538 00:23:59,916 --> 00:24:02,136 Then one can be crawling on your hand. Ooh! 539 00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:05,099 'Cause you have to elicit some anxiety to desensitize. 540 00:24:05,139 --> 00:24:07,709 Yeah.You're gonna feel your heart racing out of your chest. 541 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:10,060 You're gonna go, "I'm having a heart attack," 542 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:12,320 or, "This is dangerous. I need to escape." 543 00:24:12,363 --> 00:24:14,503 So, that's what your brain is telling you. 544 00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:16,630 So I teach you to control your heart rate, 545 00:24:16,672 --> 00:24:19,332 so then your heart tells your brain, "No danger here. 546 00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:20,760 You're fine." Mm-hmm. 547 00:24:20,807 --> 00:24:22,677 Because part of your brain will always know 548 00:24:22,722 --> 00:24:24,992 you're sitting in the office with me and it's safe. Right. 549 00:24:25,028 --> 00:24:26,808 But it allows you to push the envelope. 550 00:24:26,856 --> 00:24:29,246 So, you do things that are scarier in the virtual world 551 00:24:29,293 --> 00:24:31,513 than you're ever gonna have in the real-world setting.Mm-hmm. 552 00:24:31,557 --> 00:24:33,987 Okay. Are there any emerging technologies 553 00:24:34,037 --> 00:24:36,517 aiding you further on in therapy? Yes. 554 00:24:36,562 --> 00:24:38,832 What we're doing with some of the new technologies 555 00:24:38,868 --> 00:24:41,308 is having them physiologically driven. 556 00:24:41,349 --> 00:24:43,959 So, depending on how your heart rate reacts, 557 00:24:44,004 --> 00:24:45,924 the world will react. Wow! 558 00:24:45,962 --> 00:24:49,052 So, I may have you in a forest and it's just a dark forest, 559 00:24:49,096 --> 00:24:51,396 and as your heart rate stabilizes, 560 00:24:51,446 --> 00:24:54,186 flowers begin to appear, things like that. 561 00:24:54,231 --> 00:24:57,541 What's the most severe case that you personally have dealt with? 562 00:24:57,583 --> 00:24:59,893 One girl that my mind always goes to -- 563 00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:03,553 She was on her way to college, and somebody hit her truck, 564 00:25:03,589 --> 00:25:06,809 and it rolled over, and she was trapped, 565 00:25:06,853 --> 00:25:09,203 upside down, in her seatbelt, 566 00:25:09,246 --> 00:25:11,766 and her father was hanging next to her, dead. 567 00:25:11,814 --> 00:25:13,644 Ohh. Jesus. Um... 568 00:25:13,686 --> 00:25:17,116 And all I could do with her the first VR session was 569 00:25:17,167 --> 00:25:20,997 turn on the engine and put her hands on the steering wheel. 570 00:25:21,041 --> 00:25:23,171 And she just cried and cried and cried. 571 00:25:23,217 --> 00:25:28,087 And she was able to go from that to now having her own place, 572 00:25:28,135 --> 00:25:31,175 going back to school, and driving wherever she wants. 573 00:25:31,225 --> 00:25:34,225 What is it about treating fear with fear? 574 00:25:34,271 --> 00:25:39,021 So, what we know from, you know, 100 years of literature 575 00:25:39,059 --> 00:25:43,409 is that you have to elicit some anxiety, both objectively, 576 00:25:43,454 --> 00:25:45,894 so your body, your heart rate, and subjectively. 577 00:25:45,935 --> 00:25:48,365 So you have to think "Oh, my God, this is fearful." 578 00:25:48,416 --> 00:25:50,846 By putting that little piece in your brain 579 00:25:50,897 --> 00:25:53,767 and eliciting that fear response... Right. 580 00:25:53,813 --> 00:25:56,383 ...you can start desensitizing to that fear. 581 00:25:56,424 --> 00:25:59,604 What do you think it says about us as human beings -- 582 00:25:59,645 --> 00:26:02,595 why we expose ourselves to scary movies, 583 00:26:02,648 --> 00:26:04,608 why we put ourselves in this situation where, 584 00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:06,830 "I'm gonna be flung off, you know, 585 00:26:06,869 --> 00:26:09,179 a roller coaster, essentially." Why do we do that? 586 00:26:09,219 --> 00:26:11,349 I think when people go on rides, 587 00:26:11,395 --> 00:26:13,565 they're sometimes looking to relive 588 00:26:13,615 --> 00:26:16,305 some moment in their lives, some memory, deal with that.Mm-hmm. 589 00:26:16,357 --> 00:26:18,047 And I think going to a horror movie 590 00:26:18,098 --> 00:26:19,928 or any kind of movie, really, 591 00:26:19,969 --> 00:26:22,799 sometimes you pick up something in the movie 592 00:26:22,842 --> 00:26:24,542 that triggers an emotion, 593 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:26,853 and then you have that cathartic event. 594 00:26:26,889 --> 00:26:29,539 So, this is the next step along that evolution. 595 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,288 But I think it's maybe something people have always sought out... 596 00:26:32,329 --> 00:26:34,639 Right, right....with the movies or with the thrill ride. 597 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,160 Subconsciously or not. 598 00:26:36,203 --> 00:26:38,553 It's like, "I don't know why I get choked up 599 00:26:38,597 --> 00:26:41,377 when I watch certain films," but it triggers something, you know?Yeah, yeah. 600 00:26:41,425 --> 00:26:43,035 Yeah. Possibly. 601 00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:45,599 Thank you so much for visiting us. Thank you. 602 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,610 Sam, I'll tell you, that movie really fucked me up. 603 00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:57,956 Elijah Wood. Actor. Producer. 604 00:26:58,007 --> 00:27:00,967 DJ. Quite the pâtissier. 605 00:27:01,010 --> 00:27:03,140 Come on, don't eat my blood. Mmm! 606 00:27:03,186 --> 00:27:05,096 You taste delicious. 607 00:27:05,145 --> 00:27:07,575 Well, that's grotesque. That really is. 608 00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:10,276 Oh... 609 00:27:10,324 --> 00:27:13,684 By pleasuring myself, I've caused pain to others. 610 00:27:13,719 --> 00:27:15,849 If only there was something that could help us heal. 611 00:27:15,895 --> 00:27:17,715 If only there was someone who could recommend 612 00:27:17,766 --> 00:27:20,286 interesting genre films that help provide catharsis. 613 00:27:20,334 --> 00:27:22,514 Oh, Mickey, that's my job.Yeah. 614 00:27:22,553 --> 00:27:24,383 Catharsis. Catharsis. 615 00:27:24,425 --> 00:27:25,945 Dramatic weight. Yes. 616 00:27:25,992 --> 00:27:27,652 They want you to cry. They do. 617 00:27:27,689 --> 00:27:29,209 They made me cry. Really? 618 00:27:29,256 --> 00:27:30,946 Yeah. You're eating them, pal! 619 00:27:30,997 --> 00:27:32,827 I don't know if you should cry over these. These are very good. 620 00:27:32,868 --> 00:27:34,388 So..."Prevenge." 621 00:27:34,435 --> 00:27:36,695 Woman: The baby will tell you what to do. 622 00:27:36,742 --> 00:27:38,572 It's just nature's way. 623 00:27:38,613 --> 00:27:40,963 Alice Lowe...Of "Sightseers." 624 00:27:41,007 --> 00:27:43,707 A wonderful performer. A wonderful writer. 625 00:27:43,749 --> 00:27:45,449 And now a wonderful director. 626 00:27:45,489 --> 00:27:47,189 Her feature debut, "Prevenge," 627 00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:49,540 is about a woman who's pregnant 628 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:52,980 and is hearing her child instruct her to kill, 629 00:27:53,019 --> 00:27:54,889 to take some sort of revenge. 630 00:27:54,934 --> 00:27:56,724 Do it. Do it now! 631 00:27:56,762 --> 00:27:59,552 Now, this is already a great hook, 632 00:27:59,590 --> 00:28:01,810 but take away that, 633 00:28:01,854 --> 00:28:04,814 and what you have is a really excellent look 634 00:28:04,857 --> 00:28:06,507 at impending motherhood. 635 00:28:06,554 --> 00:28:08,434 All the fears, the anxieties. 636 00:28:08,469 --> 00:28:11,169 It's a really funny film, it's a really dark film, 637 00:28:11,211 --> 00:28:13,041 and it's really fantastic. 638 00:28:13,082 --> 00:28:15,042 Well, I like everything Alice Lowe has ever been in, 639 00:28:15,084 --> 00:28:16,744 so I'm very much looking forward to this. 640 00:28:16,782 --> 00:28:18,652 Wonderful! 641 00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:21,177 You want to cry? I guess. 642 00:28:21,221 --> 00:28:23,181 "Beyond the Walls." 643 00:28:25,791 --> 00:28:29,801 This is a Shudder exclusive, three-episode French miniseries 644 00:28:29,838 --> 00:28:31,878 about a young woman who inherits a townhouse. 645 00:28:31,927 --> 00:28:33,487 Inside of that townhouse 646 00:28:33,537 --> 00:28:35,277 was a man who's been dead for 30 years. 647 00:28:35,322 --> 00:28:37,722 When she moves in, she finds a metaphysical plane 648 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:39,629 beyond the walls. 649 00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:43,204 Uh, this is really eerie and really captivating. 650 00:28:43,243 --> 00:28:46,073 But what it becomes is a story about grief 651 00:28:46,115 --> 00:28:47,725 and a story about romance 652 00:28:47,769 --> 00:28:50,469 and a story that a lot of our Shudder members 653 00:28:50,511 --> 00:28:53,511 have been very proud to admit made them cry. 654 00:28:53,557 --> 00:28:56,557 Wow. Well, there's a challenge right there. 655 00:28:56,604 --> 00:28:58,304 "Coherence." 656 00:28:58,345 --> 00:29:00,085 Everyone else still not have service? 657 00:29:00,129 --> 00:29:02,999 It's a comet. Comet. Comet. Comet. 658 00:29:03,045 --> 00:29:05,125 Mueller's comet. 659 00:29:05,178 --> 00:29:07,788 What the hell was that? 660 00:29:07,833 --> 00:29:10,363 It's one of my favorite films of the last couple years. 661 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,050 Stunning independent sci-fi film 662 00:29:12,098 --> 00:29:13,838 about a bunch of friends having a dinner party. 663 00:29:13,882 --> 00:29:16,542 A comet goes overhead. All the power goes out. 664 00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:17,930 When they walk across the street 665 00:29:17,973 --> 00:29:19,803 to the house that does have power, 666 00:29:19,845 --> 00:29:21,535 they see themselves inside. 667 00:29:21,585 --> 00:29:23,365 It's a really fantastic film. 668 00:29:23,413 --> 00:29:25,463 Mind-bending. Doppelganger-based. 669 00:29:25,502 --> 00:29:28,162 But what it's really about is yourself. 670 00:29:28,201 --> 00:29:30,201 Who are you? Who are you meant to be? 671 00:29:30,246 --> 00:29:31,726 Who did you want to be? 672 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:33,770 This is a bunch of people confronting themselves. 673 00:29:33,815 --> 00:29:35,635 It's a really fantastic drama 674 00:29:35,686 --> 00:29:37,986 and a really fantastic independent sci-fi film. 675 00:29:38,037 --> 00:29:39,947 It's awesome.It sounds awesome. 676 00:29:39,995 --> 00:29:41,425 "Celia." 677 00:29:41,475 --> 00:29:43,685 Woman: And ran home as fast as they could go. 678 00:29:45,696 --> 00:29:47,996 Really underrated gem from Australia 679 00:29:48,047 --> 00:29:50,087 from the late-80's, directed by Ann Turner. 680 00:29:50,136 --> 00:29:52,226 It's a really cool film in the vein of "Paperhouse," 681 00:29:52,268 --> 00:29:55,658 "Pan's Labyrinth," all the dark fairy-tales. 682 00:29:55,706 --> 00:29:57,836 The movie's about kids who retreat into themselves 683 00:29:57,883 --> 00:29:59,623 because of a tumultuous home life. 684 00:29:59,667 --> 00:30:01,497 This one is a bit undiscovered. 685 00:30:01,538 --> 00:30:03,318 We're really glad to have it on Shudder. 686 00:30:03,366 --> 00:30:05,926 And I hope people really find it, really dig into it. 687 00:30:05,978 --> 00:30:07,848 Ann Turner isn't really celebrated, 688 00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:09,373 but she's a fantastic director, 689 00:30:09,416 --> 00:30:11,366 and it's revealed in this movies. Wow. 690 00:30:11,418 --> 00:30:13,808 And finally, "Always Shine." 691 00:30:13,855 --> 00:30:16,285 Bet you think you're better than me, huh? 692 00:30:19,861 --> 00:30:21,431 This is an awesome psycho-thriller 693 00:30:21,471 --> 00:30:23,301 from director Sophia Takal. Ah. 694 00:30:23,343 --> 00:30:25,693 It's about two friends who retreat to a cabin 695 00:30:25,736 --> 00:30:28,166 for a weekend and find themselves at odds. 696 00:30:28,217 --> 00:30:31,867 It, of course, comes in the tradition of persona, repulsion. 697 00:30:31,917 --> 00:30:34,007 At it's heart, it's about female friendship, 698 00:30:34,049 --> 00:30:35,959 it's about pressures of your works, 699 00:30:36,008 --> 00:30:38,008 and it's about two women who have to confront 700 00:30:38,053 --> 00:30:40,493 things they hate in themselves, things they hate in each other. 701 00:30:40,534 --> 00:30:42,884 But it's also a bitchin' psychedelic thriller. 702 00:30:42,928 --> 00:30:44,488 Well, thanks, Sam. 703 00:30:44,538 --> 00:30:46,018 I'm sure these will really get the waterworks -- 704 00:30:46,061 --> 00:30:47,721 Mickey... 705 00:30:47,758 --> 00:30:50,278 you are so delicious, dude. 706 00:30:50,326 --> 00:30:52,806 Can I recommend therapy? Mmm! 707 00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:55,721 Yeah, it's a Shudder exclusive. Let's go watch it. 708 00:30:55,766 --> 00:30:58,596 It's fuckin' great.Never mind. 709 00:30:58,639 --> 00:31:00,679 It was directed by a 16-year-old. 710 00:31:00,728 --> 00:31:02,598 Don't change, Sam. 711 00:31:02,643 --> 00:31:04,953 All right. 712 00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:15,050 Well, that's it for "The Core." 713 00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:17,350 Big thanks to SpectreVision for coming out today. 714 00:31:17,397 --> 00:31:20,007 If you're wondering why I'm still strung up like this, uh, 715 00:31:20,052 --> 00:31:21,972 they told me they had something really special planned 716 00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:24,530 for the closing credits, but, um... 717 00:31:24,578 --> 00:31:27,618 I'm not sure where they went. 718 00:31:27,668 --> 00:31:30,148 I'll give them like 20 more minutes. 719 00:31:30,192 --> 00:31:32,332 Ow. 720 00:31:32,368 --> 00:31:34,848 All right, like 15 more minutes. 721 00:32:25,247 --> 00:32:27,857 Can someone come and itch my nose? 55544

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