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There is some evidence to suggest
that Hayley... was strangled.
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DCI Stuart,
Hayley was a friend of mine.
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I was supposed to be doing
a cleaning job,
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Hayley did the job for me.
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It was in a holiday rental.
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I'd forgotten
that's who we let it to.
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He does that quiz show on the BBC.
James Hollis.
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Just give me ten minutes,
I'm not feeling 100%.
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Dad, this is not about the past.
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Or, at least, not the past
you're talking about.
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I love you.
I love you, too.
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Tim, it's your word against hers.
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I pretended to go out.
I just heard him go for her.
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I don't believe
I ever lost my temper.
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I'd appreciate having somebody here.
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They took money
I had for a deposit on a flat.
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I do think you should consider
opening a bank account.
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No. No. No. No. No bank accounts.
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I would feel very lucky to be able
to help you grow stronger.
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There'll be money
in the joint account tomorrow.
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Mr Carr sold my father a cash ISA.
We want to cancel it.
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I can't see any paperwork here.
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Mr Hollis, we wondered
if you had five minutes, please,
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to help us with a case
we're investigating.
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I will need my lawyer present.
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Els, it's Dad again.
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They've come about her.
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♪ All we do is hide away
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♪ All we do is
All we do is hide away
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♪ All we do is lie and wait
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♪ All we do is
All we do is lie and wait
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♪ I've been upside down
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♪ I don't wanna be
The right way round
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♪ Can't find paradise
On the ground. ♪
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Oh, shit!
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Oh, you...
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Dad!
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Dad!
Yeah?
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Morning.
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Blimey! Are you all right?
You left a pan on.
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Me? No.
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Yeah, I walked in
and it was burning.
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Is that your porridge?
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This was off when I left.
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Right. Well, I've, like,
literally just walked in.
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So...
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Well, it's still under warranty.
I'll get in touch with the company.
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I'm sorry. If I knew anything,
I'd tell you, Mr Hollis.
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You know I would.
I do. But if you do hear anything,
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tell him I need to speak to him.
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Tell him it's really urgent.
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And, so, in the end,
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the case really came down to
one person's word against another's.
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And in this instance,
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we feel bound to consider Dr Finch's
many years' exemplary practice
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and his reputation
as a hard-working, generous
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and trustworthy GP.
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And as such, we find
we do not uphold the complaint.
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I heard him. He might sit there now
looking like butter wouldn't melt,
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but he's got another side to him.
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Yeah, you look embarrassed, mate.
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You should, cos you're a disgrace!
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Guv...
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Yeah?
He is here...
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'Peter, its Mark Harper.
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'Kate and I can find no record
of any paperwork
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'relating to an ISA
in the name of Salthouse
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'and I need to know today
how a three-grand cheque from him
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'has been cashed.
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'So you really need to call me.'
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There.
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OK, er...
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..I'm going to change
all of your settings
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so that only your friends
can comment.
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What does it make them feel
when they say those things?
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I doubt very much
they feel anything at all, Mum.
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Cos they're messed up.
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And that, that isn't about Dad
or about you or Hayley.
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It's about them.
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It's just a mirror people hold up
to themselves to shout at.
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I wanted, if I may, erm,
to ask you about a house you rented
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in Middenham, in December 1999,
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which I believe...
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..was an eight-bedroom house.
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Yes, I can't remember specifically
but, yes, it was big.
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There were a bunch of us.
Three other families?
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Yes, although,
for the first few days,
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there were only me and three mates.
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Erm, our wives and kids
joined us on New Year's Eve.
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Right.
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It was primarily a golfing break.
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Oh, OK.
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Erm, and what were their names,
please, the men?
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Tim Finch.
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Chris Lowe.
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Pete Carr.
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And are they all still around?
Yep.
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Still friends?
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Yes, we were at school together,
so it's a long connection.
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And the families, erm, can you
give me details of those people?
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Tim was there
with his first wife Derran
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and their, er... two little girls.
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Pete was single at that time,
so on his own.
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And Chris Lowe was with his first
wife Laura and their little girl.
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And your wife?
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Yes, my wife Mel
and our little boy Eliot.
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Are you two still together?
No.
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I remarried a few years ago.
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Oh.
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So, this is a photo of Hayley Reid.
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Do you recognise her?
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Yes.
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And is that just from the papers?
Sorry, where is this heading?
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SHE SIGHS
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We're just trying to corroborate
evidence from another witness,
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who thinks Hayley might have cleaned
the house you rented.
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I have no recollection of that.
You never saw her there?
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No.
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I mean, we were out most days,
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but, hey, this story was huge
and her photo was all over the TV.
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So, if she had cleaned our house
and any of us had have seen her,
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then I think someone would have
mentioned something. Absolutely.
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When did you return to London,
Mr Hollis?
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Erm, when the rental ended,
which would be...
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..perhaps, er,
around the second or third.
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And you drove back up
with your wife and child? Yes.
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How did they got down there
on the 31st?
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Train. I picked them up
from a nearby station.
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OK. And this is the last question.
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Erm... what did you all get up to
on the Millennium evening?
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Erm...
Well, as I remember, we, er...
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..we had a meal in the house,
all together.
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Then, I think the, erm...
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..the children stayed up a bit,
till about nine or ten.
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I think the adults watched a movie
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and then all went to bed
after Big Ben.
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Is that all of you?
As I recall, yes.
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And then no-one went out again
for the rest of the night?
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No.
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OK.
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That's it.
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Thank you.
Thank you very much for your time.
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Sorry...
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You said you guys met at school.
Yes.
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Where was that,
the school you went to? Finchley.
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Right. And you all, erm...
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..lived round that area?
Within a couple of miles, yes.
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OK, thanks again.
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Well, I think we want
to know more about four guys
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who grew up
half a mile from her grave.
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I think we do.
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Hollis, you wanker.
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Shit!
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And this sort of sized garden
is very unusual
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for a flat in this part of the city.
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It's also west-facing, so...
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Anyway, have a natter
and I'll be outside if you need me.
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Thank you.
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He's never had a garden
with grass before.
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You like it.
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I think it's perfect.
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What?
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There's a "but" coming.
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But...
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..if we're going to be
properly together...
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..I need to know who you are, Chris.
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Who I am?
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How does someone like you, so...
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..brilliant, so lovely...
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..end up like you have?
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How does that happen?
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So we had two key leads
that I believed
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were potentially significant,
but were never resolved.
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St Matthew's C of E,
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which was burgled at some
point that New Year's Eve,
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with about five grand's worth
of 18-century silverware
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taken from a locked cupboard
in the vestry.
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Blood smears were retrieved on
some smashed glass into the vestry,
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but there were no matches
with anyone on our database.
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The church
is about halfway between The Swan
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and Hayley's parents'
original house.
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And one possible theory was that
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she saw something after
she left work,
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she went to investigate and
ran into the burglar or burglars.
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Certainly, I believe
it's worth following up again.
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And then a black car,
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which was seen driving
very erratically on the road
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between The Swan and her house
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at approximately 12:25,
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maybe 15 minutes after we know
she left the pub.
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No reg or make,
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but the witness thought
it was a black four-door saloon
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with a tow bar.
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Oh, and it's worth mentioning that
the weather was very bad that night,
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with heavy rain
from about 11 o'clock onwards
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and very poor visibility.
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That's it.
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So John will be available
for the rest of the day,
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and then on the phone,
at any point, for any questions.
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But given what he's just told us,
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I suggest DNA swabs should be taken
from any suspects we speak to.
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Thank you again, John.
That was very useful.
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So...
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..specific points of action.
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Fran, can you double-check
all these timelines, please,
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for Hayley's movements
on the night of her disappearance
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and the week before?
Boss.
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Murray, you take the witness
who saw this car. Yup.
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And, Jake, obviously,
the body was found in London
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and, given that new development,
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it's worth having another chat
with Adrian Mullery, I think. Guv.
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And following this morning's
interview with James Hollis,
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myself and DI Khan
will certainly be speaking
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to the other three male occupants
of The Spinney.
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OK, that's it. Thank you, everyone.
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That was great. Thank you again.
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Yeah. No problem.
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So are you heading back down tonight
or...?
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No. No, no, my kids
live with their mum in town,
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so I'm going to stick around, spend
some time with them for a few days.
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Right. How old are they?
21 and 20.
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Ah, same as mine. Boys or...?
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Two boys.
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Jinx.
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Hm!
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Er, anyway, I better go
and check into the hotel, so...
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Go for it. And we will speak soon,
I hope. Yeah, absolutely.
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John... Thanks for that.
That was great.
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Listen, er... if you're at
a loose end any evening,
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there's always a few of us
at The Enterprise,
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if you fancy a drink.
It's just opposite.
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Yeah, great. Cheers.
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I might take you up on that.
Good.
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All right, see you.
See you.
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See you.
Cheers.
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You're welcome.
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Oh!
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Hola, gordo conejo.
Hola, muy gordo conejo.
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How you doing?
Yeah, all good. You?
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Yeah, very well. I've just been
in Manchester on a work thing,
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driving back to Sussex now with Caz.
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Oh, right. Give her my love.
I will.
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But listen, very quickly,
I presume you've seen the news
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about the Hayley Reid case.
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Yeah, I did. It's very sad.
Oh, wasn't it?
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Anyway, the police are obviously
doing a general trawl
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for potential new witnesses.
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And they spoke to me this morning
about the house we rented.
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Right.
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Apparently they think
she may have been our cleaner. Wow!
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I said I couldn't recall us
having a cleaner
252
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and I certainly think one of us
would have noticed
253
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if it had have been her, given
the amount of coverage. Indeed.
254
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Anyway, the long and short is
255
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they're probably going to want to
speak to the whole gang of us, so...
256
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..I just thought
that I ought to let you know.
257
00:15:22,780 --> 00:15:24,020
Yeah, no worries.
258
00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:25,860
Obviously,
they're looking for people
259
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who may have seen something
that only now seems relevant.
260
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But I told them we all
stayed in the house that night,
261
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eating with our families, so...
262
00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:36,540
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
263
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I'll give Pete a bell and maybe
you could give Chris the heads up?
264
00:15:39,580 --> 00:15:40,580
Sure.
265
00:15:40,740 --> 00:15:42,500
And I've e-mailed some dates
for our meet-up.
266
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Oh, yeah, I saw. Erm...
267
00:15:44,580 --> 00:15:46,740
..I can do any of those.
Excellent!
268
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Speak soon, mate.
269
00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:50,140
Yeah, cheers, Jamie.
270
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Jamie sends his love.
271
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How is he?
272
00:15:57,220 --> 00:15:58,740
Oh, he's very well.
273
00:15:58,940 --> 00:16:01,780
He's just, er... trying to arrange
a get-together.
274
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The four amigos.
275
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That'll be nice.
276
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Yeah, it will.
277
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It's been too long. Much too long.
278
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Of course I remember.
279
00:16:13,660 --> 00:16:15,740
I was meant to have bought
the puddings and I forgot,
280
00:16:15,780 --> 00:16:18,340
so I legged it to the corner shop
and bought a load of Cornettos,
281
00:16:18,380 --> 00:16:20,340
which your ex
wasn't too happy about.
282
00:16:20,540 --> 00:16:23,460
Anyway, I just wanted to check that
you remembered it the same as I did.
283
00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:25,460
So, we're all ready for the 22nd.
284
00:16:25,660 --> 00:16:28,980
Chris has replied now so I'll book
a table and send you all a link.
285
00:16:29,180 --> 00:16:31,620
Just one quick thing before you go,
Jamie.
286
00:16:31,820 --> 00:16:34,140
Actually, I'm literally
just heading into a meeting, mate.
287
00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:35,900
Yeah, yeah, I'll be ten seconds.
288
00:16:36,060 --> 00:16:38,260
Jamie... I need a massive favour.
289
00:16:41,540 --> 00:16:43,380
I was married for, er...
290
00:16:43,540 --> 00:16:45,460
..12 years
291
00:16:45,620 --> 00:16:47,780
and I had... have, I have a daughter,
292
00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,420
Maya,
293
00:16:49,580 --> 00:16:52,020
who I last saw 17 years ago.
294
00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:56,900
My marriage ended early 2000.
295
00:16:58,820 --> 00:17:01,580
And because of some issues
that I had at the time,
296
00:17:01,740 --> 00:17:03,380
my wife Laura,
297
00:17:03,580 --> 00:17:06,340
she felt it was damaging for Maya
to be around that.
298
00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:09,060
And I'd run up some debts.
299
00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:12,820
So I went from living in
a nice house in Notting Hill to...
300
00:17:12,980 --> 00:17:14,860
..a one-bedroom flat in Acton...
301
00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:18,660
..and then a hostel and...
302
00:17:20,180 --> 00:17:22,100
..and then the streets.
303
00:17:22,260 --> 00:17:23,540
How long were you homeless?
304
00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:27,780
On and off for seven years.
305
00:17:27,940 --> 00:17:29,260
Oh, Chris...
306
00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:33,100
I'm so sorry.
307
00:17:33,300 --> 00:17:35,220
And you had no friends
who could have helped you?
308
00:17:35,260 --> 00:17:37,940
Yeah. Yeah. I had friends who would
have been desperate to help me.
309
00:17:38,140 --> 00:17:41,020
Yeah, but you have to want
to be helped. And I didn't.
310
00:17:41,220 --> 00:17:44,820
I hated myself. I thought I deserved
everything that happened to me.
311
00:17:44,980 --> 00:17:46,420
And your marriage...
312
00:17:47,660 --> 00:17:49,940
..the issues you mention?
313
00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:51,420
OK, so...
314
00:17:51,620 --> 00:17:54,660
..as you know,
I have bipolar disorder,
315
00:17:54,860 --> 00:17:57,740
which was undiagnosed at the time,
and so it was unmedicated,
316
00:17:57,900 --> 00:17:59,380
which meant that...
317
00:18:00,420 --> 00:18:03,860
..you know, my behaviour
was... challenging.
318
00:18:04,980 --> 00:18:07,140
And as soon as I started
costing my company money,
319
00:18:07,180 --> 00:18:09,340
it was inevitable
I'd be asked to step down.
320
00:18:12,940 --> 00:18:15,700
And that was
just not what she had married,
321
00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:18,260
an unemployed man
who had mental health issues.
322
00:18:20,180 --> 00:18:21,740
So she asked me to leave.
323
00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:24,900
And I did.
324
00:18:26,140 --> 00:18:28,940
And then, 18 months later,
she married a hedge fund manager,
325
00:18:29,140 --> 00:18:31,100
who bought her a house
in Holland Park, so...
326
00:18:34,340 --> 00:18:36,500
And then, in 2012...
327
00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:42,420
..Maya wrote to tell me that
Laura had died from breast cancer...
328
00:18:43,740 --> 00:18:45,740
..and to ask that I stay away
from the funeral.
329
00:18:47,380 --> 00:18:50,380
I thought about writing back,
and saying that I was better now,
330
00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:52,180
that I was a different person.
331
00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:53,660
And I am.
332
00:18:55,620 --> 00:18:57,180
But I think there comes a time
333
00:18:57,380 --> 00:18:59,380
when you have to accept
how things have turned out.
334
00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:03,540
That life can sometimes
simply be unfair.
335
00:19:04,780 --> 00:19:06,500
And to keep resisting that...
336
00:19:07,660 --> 00:19:10,100
..it takes so much energy, Mila.
337
00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:14,540
Energy that you need for the future.
338
00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:32,100
Love?
339
00:19:32,260 --> 00:19:33,820
In here.
340
00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:36,580
Hey, Pete.
341
00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:39,140
Hello, Mark.
342
00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:41,420
What a lovely lady your missus is.
343
00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:44,060
I was just about to call you.
344
00:19:44,260 --> 00:19:46,700
You're punching above your weight
there, buddy.
345
00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:53,340
Three grand.
346
00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:54,820
And my apologies.
347
00:19:56,580 --> 00:19:59,580
I was stressed about some deals
and screwed up the paperwork.
348
00:19:59,780 --> 00:20:03,300
I accidentally paid Salthouse's
cheque into my personal account.
349
00:20:03,460 --> 00:20:05,180
But, er...
350
00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:07,780
..there it is.
351
00:20:09,460 --> 00:20:10,780
All there.
352
00:20:16,340 --> 00:20:19,140
You know what we used to call
blokes like Pete, Maria?
353
00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:22,540
Filth.
354
00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:26,300
Failed in London, tried Hong-Kong.
355
00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:28,740
Bit of a Wild West out there,
wasn't it, mate?
356
00:20:28,940 --> 00:20:31,180
Attracted a very distinct
sort of person.
357
00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:34,380
I see you, buddy.
358
00:20:38,860 --> 00:20:41,300
Lovely to meet you, Maria.
I'll let myself out.
359
00:20:50,380 --> 00:20:51,820
I'm sorry about that.
360
00:20:56,700 --> 00:20:58,100
I need a shower.
361
00:21:00,380 --> 00:21:01,940
This isn't working, Pete.
362
00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:04,940
You and me.
363
00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:08,540
I'm sorry, but...
364
00:21:10,380 --> 00:21:12,540
..this just isn't what I thought
I was buying.
365
00:21:13,759 --> 00:21:15,199
It'll get better, babes.
366
00:21:17,260 --> 00:21:18,940
Trust me.
367
00:21:20,151 --> 00:21:22,431
I've got some really good business
coming in.
368
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,620
Oh, I forgot to say, I've got
a couple of guests arriving.
369
00:21:46,965 --> 00:21:48,605
Can you show them in, please, Liz?
370
00:21:48,679 --> 00:21:49,785
Yes.
371
00:21:50,531 --> 00:21:52,131
Thanks.
372
00:22:04,681 --> 00:22:06,361
Adrian...
373
00:22:07,585 --> 00:22:09,425
Have you got five minutes?
374
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,680
Well, obviously I recognise her,
375
00:22:26,739 --> 00:22:29,777
but I don't recall ever seeing her
at the house at any point.
376
00:22:30,464 --> 00:22:31,655
As Jamie said,
377
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,824
if we had have seen her, we would
have discussed it at the time.
378
00:22:34,899 --> 00:22:37,179
It was a huge story.
Absolutely.
379
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,360
Er, so...
380
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,200
..Mr Hollis, he told us
that the four of you had gone down
381
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,240
on your own, at first, to play golf.
Yes.
382
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,854
And then your wife Derran
and your girls arrived on the 31st.
383
00:22:55,112 --> 00:22:56,215
Yes.
384
00:22:56,318 --> 00:22:58,598
And how old were they, the kids?
385
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,040
Er, Claire would have been eight
386
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,080
and Emma just turned ten.
387
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,080
I'm sorry,
just to go back on one thing.
388
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,160
New Year's, the kids
would have gone to bed at...?
389
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,520
Er, nine, ten, maybe.
390
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,680
And no-one went out after that?
Nope.
391
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,320
What car where you driving
back then, Dr Finch?
392
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,640
Erm...
393
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,240
..I had my Audi in '99, I think.
394
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,840
An A4.
395
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,880
Sorry, was that the saloon or...?
396
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,840
No, the estate. We needed
the space for holidays and stuff.
397
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,520
To save faffing around with a
top box or a trailer or any of that.
398
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,920
And what colour was it?
399
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,720
Silver.
400
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,240
And your wife and kids,
they went down by train?
401
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,600
With Jamie's wife and son.
402
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,920
And everybody headed back to London
on the 2nd? Yes.
403
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,520
Did you all live in London then?
404
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,680
All except Pete.
405
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,600
He lived in Hong Kong.
406
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,600
And your marriage to Derran,
that ended when?
407
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,880
What relevance has
when my marriage ended to anything?
408
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,960
Sorry. If any question
makes you feel uncomfortable,
409
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:23,600
you don't have to answer.
410
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,280
We separated in 2001.
411
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,600
OK.
412
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,680
And do you remember when Mr Hollis
and his wife separated?
413
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,680
Same year, I think. Or maybe 2000.
414
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,640
And Chris Lowe and his wife?
415
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,320
Yeah, roughly the same time.
416
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,080
And are you still in contact
with Derran,
417
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,440
if we wanted to speak with her?
418
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,440
I haven't seen Derran
for many years,
419
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,800
but I can get a number from my kids,
if you need it.
420
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,440
That would be very helpful,
thank you.
421
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,520
Oh, I should just say that, er...
422
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,840
..she's had a number of issues
over the last couple of decades,
423
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,520
depression, anxiety and so, erm...
424
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,000
..I'm not entirely sure
you'll find her
425
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,680
the most reliable of narrators.
426
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,840
OK.
427
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,480
Well, thank you for that.
428
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,080
And then, one last thing,
429
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,560
and, er... I should say,
430
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,280
do feel free to say no.
431
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,160
But in order to help
eliminate you from our enquiries,
432
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:26,640
how would you feel about
giving us a DNA swab?
433
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,240
Yes, of course. No problem.
434
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,360
So, if nobody went out after ten,
then it can't be them.
435
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,360
I mean, we know Hayley
was seen alive at 12:10, so...
436
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,240
Yeah, I think you're right.
437
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,400
And if we're spinning our wheels
on these guys,
438
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,360
I don't want to waste any more time.
439
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,120
Let's take the last two separately.
440
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,880
Hi, Dad, it's me.
441
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,960
Look, I'm really sorry,
I'm going to be a bit late.
442
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,400
Please... call me.
443
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600
How many times
have you been here before, Jamie?
444
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,200
It'll be fine.
445
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,520
You know,
the longer this goes on...
446
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,200
..the more his problems...
447
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,920
..consume him.
448
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:28,360
The more you look at the paths we
took, the choices we made, I made...
449
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,800
..and think...
450
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,760
..was it then?
451
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,800
Was it that choice...
452
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,720
..or that choice...
453
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,680
..that messed everything up?
454
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,320
Was it then...
455
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,680
..that I ruined my child's life?
456
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,160
Call me.
457
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,880
Sometimes, I just...
458
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,400
Hi...
Hello.
459
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,920
Gemma left some school books
at mine, I brought them round.
460
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,800
And then she wanted to show me
her room. Right.
461
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,920
Lovely place, though.
Thank you.
462
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,760
Anyway, I need to shoot off.
463
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,240
Nice to see you.
And you.
464
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,640
Bye, girls.
465
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,440
Bye.
Bye.
466
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,680
Yeah, well, you see, I'm from the
clip-round-the-ear-hole generation.
467
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,480
I think he'd still like to,
to be honest. Oh, dear.
468
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,400
And do you have children?
No!
469
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,520
Never had the urge to be a mother.
470
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,080
Wow. Smart move.
Tell me about it.
471
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,240
They take so much from you,
don't they?
472
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,160
Not sure I'd see it quite like.
Just, I'm too selfish, I think.
473
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,240
Yeah?
Liked my career too much.
474
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,600
I think, if you are going to have
children, you need to be around.
475
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,160
Whoops.
Well, yes.
476
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,040
I mean, an evening like tonight,
it's fine you letting us down,
477
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,800
but how did you cope
when that was your kids,
478
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,160
turning up two hours late
for supper?
479
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,720
Oh, we, erm... muddled through.
480
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,360
Anyway, Dad tells me
you're off to Venice at the weekend.
481
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,320
I know. You should tell him
to stop spoiling me. I should.
482
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,840
And first class, too.
483
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,320
Venice?
484
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,600
Right. Yeah.
485
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,320
Funny. Very funny.
486
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,640
Actually that's not quite
what I said.
487
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,560
OK.
488
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,400
I have it here, you said you
saw her leave just after midnight.
489
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,040
No, I said she would have left
490
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,800
just after her shift ended
at midnight.
491
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,880
I never said I actually saw her.
492
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,240
Right.
493
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,920
Guy Halford, the manager,
he's the one who actually saw her.
494
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,160
Sorry. And so what was the last time
you saw her?
495
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,240
Just before 11.
496
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,840
I was working through till three
497
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,520
and I took a half-hour break then.
498
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,320
When Guy came back,
he put me in the bar
499
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,680
and I just presumed that Hayley
was finishing up in the restaurant.
500
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,640
And Guy Halford,
does he still live in Middenham?
501
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,400
Hi.
Hi.
502
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,840
I'm looking for Christopher Lowe.
503
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,080
Hello.
504
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,320
Go on...
505
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,800
Stay there. Stay.
506
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,160
Mr Carr?
Yeah.
507
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,760
DI Sunny Khan.
Have you got five minutes?
508
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,560
No, I'm...
509
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,840
Sorry.
510
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,160
OK.
511
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,440
Absolutely sure?
512
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,880
Yeah.
You know who she is, though?
513
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,880
Yeah. Of course, yeah.
514
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,840
I mean, I never saw her
in that house.
515
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,600
Are you OK, Mr Lowe?
Yeah.
516
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,320
Yeah, I just...
517
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,800
I don't cope with stress very well.
518
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,280
Would you prefer to have someone
with you? No. No.
519
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,120
No, I'm fine for now.
OK.
520
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,520
So we're just asking everyone
we speak to
521
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,680
a number of general questions
to help us with our enquiries.
522
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,160
So, can you tell me
what car you were driving that week?
523
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,120
I didn't take a car.
I went down with Tim.
524
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,240
And then, did you and your family
travel back with him or...?
525
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,760
My wife drove down
with our daughter
526
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,400
and we went back in her car.
527
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,800
Right.
528
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,520
So what car was she driving?
529
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,327
She would have been driving
the Maserati.
530
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,200
Right.
531
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:04,980
You know what?
I think I did see her at the house.
532
00:32:07,352 --> 00:32:09,792
Right. Are you sure?
533
00:32:09,843 --> 00:32:12,043
Yeah. Just one time, but, er...
534
00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:14,700
..she's got a distinctive face,
I guess.
535
00:32:14,740 --> 00:32:16,770
I think that was her.
OK.
536
00:32:17,382 --> 00:32:18,862
Was that on your own or...?
537
00:32:18,897 --> 00:32:21,418
Erm, I'd come back
from a round early.
538
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:24,426
I was still a bit jet-lagged, so
I went back to the house for a kip.
539
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:27,620
Er, when I walked in,
she was there, hoovering.
540
00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:31,171
I said hello and asked if there
was anything else she could do,
541
00:32:31,218 --> 00:32:32,618
cos of the noise.
542
00:32:32,794 --> 00:32:34,273
What day would this have been?
543
00:32:34,298 --> 00:32:35,350
Oh...
544
00:32:35,585 --> 00:32:38,952
I'd have to check a calendar.
Do you know when it was rented from?
545
00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:40,070
Yeah.
546
00:32:40,095 --> 00:32:41,095
Er...
547
00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:43,980
..Monday the 27th.
548
00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:47,940
Monday. Well, we arrived
in the evening, I remember that.
549
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:50,100
I think we just chilled
the next day,
550
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:52,100
had a couple of bevvies
in the local
551
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:54,060
and played our first round
the day after.
552
00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:56,860
So I'm thinking the Wednesday.
553
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:01,300
Just to go back to the conversation
with her,
554
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:03,900
was it just about the hoovering,
was it? Yeah.
555
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:07,140
When I woke up, the other lads
were back and she'd gone.
556
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:09,820
And you didn't discuss this
with any of the others?
557
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:12,940
Discuss what?
558
00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:16,260
That this girl...
559
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:20,260
..who later went missing, had been
in the house you all rented.
560
00:33:20,420 --> 00:33:22,020
No.
561
00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:25,060
I mean, I drove back to London
on the 2nd
562
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:28,100
and then flew out to Hong Kong
first thing the next day, so...
563
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:31,260
This was a big story?
564
00:33:32,620 --> 00:33:35,980
It was huge. It was in all
the national newspapers for weeks.
565
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:38,660
Right, well, I had no idea
about that.
566
00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:44,340
And her photo being on the front
pages the last couple of days.
567
00:33:44,540 --> 00:33:47,740
Work's been pretty crazy. I haven't
had time to look at the papers.
568
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:52,940
I'm sorry, but the first I've ever
heard of this girl is, er... now.
569
00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:58,460
I suppose one of us
would have cooked
570
00:33:58,660 --> 00:34:00,580
and then all of us,
with kids, I mean,
571
00:34:00,740 --> 00:34:02,340
would have eaten together.
572
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:03,980
And that was a pleasant evening?
573
00:34:04,180 --> 00:34:06,100
Yeah.
Everyone had a nice time?
574
00:34:06,143 --> 00:34:08,036
Yeah, we had a nice time.
Why do you ask that?
575
00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:09,580
Well, just...
576
00:34:09,631 --> 00:34:14,431
Because Christmas and New Year
can be quite stressful, can't it?
577
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:17,340
And I understand your marriage
broke down not long after.
578
00:34:17,375 --> 00:34:18,898
What has that got to do
with anything?
579
00:34:18,923 --> 00:34:20,656
Well, I wondered
if that was in any way
580
00:34:20,735 --> 00:34:23,575
connected to something
that happened on this break.
581
00:34:23,946 --> 00:34:26,706
You know, I think I do,
I do need someone with me.
582
00:34:26,742 --> 00:34:29,054
Mm. And I can arrange that.
Of course.
583
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:30,922
But can you answer that question,
please?
584
00:34:30,947 --> 00:34:34,648
Because I'm aware that, of
the three of you that were married,
585
00:34:35,031 --> 00:34:38,054
all of you were separated
within the year.
586
00:34:38,140 --> 00:34:41,020
No, that was, that was,
that was nothing to do with anything
587
00:34:41,047 --> 00:34:42,551
that happened on that break.
588
00:34:42,576 --> 00:34:43,656
So...
589
00:34:45,072 --> 00:34:46,192
Sure.
590
00:34:47,657 --> 00:34:48,919
Who's that?
591
00:34:50,521 --> 00:34:54,980
That's my girlfriend and her son.
I want to stop now, please.
592
00:34:55,570 --> 00:34:57,130
One more thing.
593
00:35:00,820 --> 00:35:03,100
Lastly, we're asking everyone
that we speak to
594
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:06,180
how they'd feel about
providing a DNA swab.
595
00:35:06,987 --> 00:35:08,987
Entirely voluntary of course.
596
00:35:09,529 --> 00:35:10,929
How would you feel about that?
597
00:35:11,815 --> 00:35:13,255
Not a problem.
598
00:35:13,391 --> 00:35:14,911
Good. It won't take a minute.
599
00:35:22,637 --> 00:35:24,780
Mr Mullery, DC Jake Collier.
600
00:35:24,808 --> 00:35:26,836
Have you got five minutes
for a quick chat, sir?
601
00:35:26,860 --> 00:35:28,180
Now, you'll have my home address,
602
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,460
but you decided to come here
because you thought what?
603
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:31,980
That I'd be embarrassed
604
00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:34,540
and gratefully duck into some
car so no-one saw?
605
00:35:34,740 --> 00:35:36,900
I just want to ask
a few quick questions, sir.
606
00:35:36,940 --> 00:35:38,940
So a couple of hours ago,
the head suggested
607
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:40,540
that maybe I should take some leave.
608
00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:43,100
Some of the parents have been
uncomfortable with the situation.
609
00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:45,700
And, of course, I could refuse
because she has no legal right.
610
00:35:45,740 --> 00:35:48,180
But do you know what?
I have spent the past 18 years
611
00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:50,740
telling people
that I wasn't even charged,
612
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:52,500
that not one single piece
of evidence
613
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:54,420
could ever be found
to incriminate me,
614
00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:56,500
that the lead detective retired
615
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,020
just before a misconduct case
could be brought against him.
616
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:01,340
So I am knackered
617
00:36:01,540 --> 00:36:04,740
and I'll take the paid break,
thank you very much.
618
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:06,140
But what it also means
619
00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:08,500
is that I am not remotely
fucking embarrassed, mate.
620
00:36:09,580 --> 00:36:12,140
I'm not remotely embarrassed
to stand here
621
00:36:12,340 --> 00:36:15,780
and tell you loudly,
no, I will not talk to you.
622
00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:17,420
I will not sit in a car or a room
623
00:36:17,620 --> 00:36:19,820
or anywhere with you,
voluntarily, ever.
624
00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:22,820
And if you want to arrest me,
be my guest.
625
00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:25,620
But I'll not say
another fucking word to you.
626
00:36:25,780 --> 00:36:27,300
Not even, "No comment."
627
00:36:27,460 --> 00:36:29,580
Because I think the police are scum.
628
00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:32,300
I think you lie.
I think you break the law.
629
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:34,260
I think you take bribes
and you sell stories.
630
00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:38,220
But worse than that,
most unforgiveable of all,
631
00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:40,660
I think you're thick.
632
00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:43,540
I think your ranks are made up
of dim-witted mediocrity
633
00:36:43,740 --> 00:36:45,620
who joined the force
because they want power
634
00:36:45,820 --> 00:36:48,100
but they're too stupid
to get employed anywhere else.
635
00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:52,220
So... shame on you...
636
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:55,260
..for the way you treated me...
637
00:36:57,620 --> 00:37:00,660
..for letting Hayley down
so... catastrophically.
638
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:05,460
And shame on you, DC Jake Collier...
639
00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:08,980
for becoming a police officer.
640
00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:22,260
And how sure did he seem?
641
00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:24,460
Pretty sure.
It was an instinctive reaction.
642
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:26,900
I don't think he was recognising her
from the newspapers.
643
00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:29,180
So this definitively places her
in the house,
644
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:32,140
possibly with all four men, before
the wives and kids arrived? Yeah.
645
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,420
What was he like otherwise?
646
00:37:35,540 --> 00:37:36,660
Odd.
647
00:37:36,820 --> 00:37:37,980
An odd mixture.
648
00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:41,780
I mean, I guess you've got to ask,
why would he be telling me
649
00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:44,276
that he saw Hayley in the house
if he had something to hide?
650
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:45,620
But...
651
00:37:45,820 --> 00:37:49,020
But when I asked him
if he'd give a DNA swab,
652
00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:51,820
he slightly looked like
he'd just shat himself.
653
00:37:54,420 --> 00:37:56,300
What's his background?
654
00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:57,900
Er...
655
00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:02,340
Lived and worked in Hong Kong
for 25 years.
656
00:38:02,540 --> 00:38:05,940
Only married for the first time
six years ago.
657
00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:09,620
No previous convictions,
at least not here.
658
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:10,940
Ah...
659
00:38:11,140 --> 00:38:13,060
Drove down to Middenham
on a motorbike.
660
00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:16,940
Do we have a response
from James Hollis about his car yet?
661
00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:19,620
I'll chase that.
Er, how was your man?
662
00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:22,460
So, erm...
663
00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:25,260
He lives in a camper van.
664
00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:26,540
Oh.
665
00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:30,940
I'd say he's definitely had
some mental health issues,
666
00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:33,140
looks like he hasn't got
a pot to piss in.
667
00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:35,460
Except, in 1999,
668
00:38:35,620 --> 00:38:38,900
he was CEO of DDM Lowe,
669
00:38:39,060 --> 00:38:42,860
his own advertising agency.
670
00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:45,940
And this is a guy who got
a double first from Cambridge,
671
00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:49,300
was basically a bit of a genius
through his life,
672
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:52,580
lived in a five million quid house
in Notting Hill.
673
00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:55,300
Wow. When did he leave?
674
00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:56,740
Early 2000.
675
00:38:57,820 --> 00:39:00,060
"To pursue new challenges."
676
00:39:00,260 --> 00:39:01,740
What, like,
how to live in a car park?
677
00:39:05,620 --> 00:39:07,060
DCI Stuart.
678
00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:10,020
Hello, I'm just returning your call.
679
00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:13,140
It's Mel Hollis here.
I'm James Hollis' ex-wife.
680
00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:15,740
Ah, Mrs Hollis.
Yeah, thanks for returning my call.
681
00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:20,380
No, it wasn't a pleasant evening.
682
00:39:20,580 --> 00:39:22,740
What it was
was a train wreck.
683
00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:24,180
In what way?
684
00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:28,260
Look the meal was fine,
we ate, we cleared up,
685
00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:30,860
the kids were knackered,
it'd been a long day getting there,
686
00:39:31,020 --> 00:39:32,700
so they went to bed about 9:30.
687
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:35,740
Which was good.
That they were in bed, I mean,
688
00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:40,660
because they didn't have to see
Chris go completely nuts,
689
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:43,020
for want of a better word.
How do you mean?
690
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:45,260
Out of the blue,
he just started ranting
691
00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:48,700
about his life,
his marriage, his friends...
692
00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:53,660
..how it all meant nothing,
how everything was an illusion.
693
00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:56,660
It was quiet terrifying.
Wow, yeah, I can imagine.
694
00:39:56,820 --> 00:39:59,300
And, so... what did people do?
695
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:02,860
Well, I mean, we all tried
to calm him down, obviously,
696
00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:05,180
particularly Laura his wife.
697
00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:08,340
But he was flailing his arms
and shouting and...
698
00:40:09,620 --> 00:40:12,340
To be honest,
we were all quite relieved
699
00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:14,540
when he then just suddenly
walked out.
700
00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:16,100
Of the house?
Mm-hm.
701
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:19,100
And went where?
I don't know.
702
00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:22,300
Had he been drinking?
703
00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:23,900
Well, he'd had a few.
704
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:26,100
We'd all had a few.
It was New Year's Eve.
705
00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:28,420
Anything else?
706
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,300
Someone might have bought some coke.
707
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:34,220
I don't know,
maybe he'd had a bit of that.
708
00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:37,860
OK.
709
00:40:38,020 --> 00:40:39,300
So who was taking coke?
710
00:40:40,780 --> 00:40:42,940
Not me.
Not any of the women, actually.
711
00:40:42,980 --> 00:40:44,460
Tim Finch?
712
00:40:44,660 --> 00:40:47,060
Definitely not, no.
He never did that.
713
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:50,460
Pete, no, he was more of a drinker.
714
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:52,420
James... yes.
715
00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:55,980
In fact, I think it was him
that probably bought it.
716
00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:59,500
When Chris went out of the house,
717
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:02,420
what time would that have been?
I don't know.
718
00:41:02,620 --> 00:41:05,660
Just after ten, I guess.
And did anyone go after him?
719
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:08,180
Yeah, after a minute or two...
720
00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:10,740
..er, James and Tim.
721
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:13,100
Did they catch up with him?
No.
722
00:41:13,140 --> 00:41:15,860
No, Chris came back on his own
about an hour and a half later.
723
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:17,500
He was absolutely drenched.
724
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:19,460
I mean, it was raining hard
at this point
725
00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:21,820
and his clothes
were covered with mud
726
00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:24,220
and he went straight upstairs
to bed.
727
00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:26,980
No explanation, no apology, nothing.
Right.
728
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:28,500
Where was Pete Carr at this point?
729
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:30,860
Pete had been out
since right after the meal,
730
00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:33,540
trying his luck at the pub.
Trying his luck?
731
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:35,060
The ladies.
732
00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:38,100
He got back just after midnight.
733
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:40,460
On his own?
Mm-hm.
734
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:41,980
And pissed.
735
00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:44,940
And your husband and Dr Finch?
The same.
736
00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:47,900
No, they got back
just before midnight.
737
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:50,100
Just in time for Auld Lang Syne,
bless.
738
00:41:50,260 --> 00:41:52,260
Were they separate or together?
739
00:41:54,420 --> 00:41:55,740
I can't remember.
740
00:41:57,420 --> 00:41:59,380
And what happened then?
741
00:41:59,580 --> 00:42:01,980
The guys went to bed,
the women stayed up
742
00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:04,340
and talked about
our car crash marriages.
743
00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:05,380
OK.
744
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:09,580
This is really important, Ms Hollis,
so...
745
00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:12,860
..I want you to think
very carefully, please.
746
00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:18,620
Did you see anyone go out again
after that?
747
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:19,820
No.
748
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:22,420
No-one went out again after that.
749
00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:28,460
You sound very certain.
750
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:32,500
Firstly, I sat up talking
to Laura and Derran
751
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,700
till about three o'clock
in the morning, and then...
752
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:38,780
I wasn't going to sleep with James
that night, so I slept on the sofa.
753
00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:41,580
Except, I didn't, really.
Sleep, I mean.
754
00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:44,020
So that meant I would have seen
if anyone had gone out.
755
00:42:44,180 --> 00:42:45,540
And they didn't.
756
00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:50,100
Right.
757
00:42:51,980 --> 00:42:53,220
Fuck.
758
00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:56,060
The last sighting of her was after
they were all back in the house.
759
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:00,460
So she could be lying.
Yep.
760
00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:03,300
Or mistaken. Maybe she did sleep
and one of them came down
761
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:05,300
at four or five or whatever
and then went out.
762
00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:08,340
Except, if one of them came down
at four or five,
763
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:11,380
went out then and killed her,
where...
764
00:43:11,580 --> 00:43:14,420
..where was Hayley between leaving
the pub at 12:10 and four or five?
765
00:43:16,220 --> 00:43:18,380
No, that feels wrong.
Yeah, maybe.
766
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:19,780
But not as wrong as all four men
767
00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:22,140
having clearly lied to us
through their teeth.
768
00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:23,620
There is that.
769
00:43:25,380 --> 00:43:26,780
I need a drink.
770
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:28,620
There is that.
771
00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:45,860
Yeah, it was about ten past,
772
00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:47,820
maybe quarter past midnight.
773
00:43:48,020 --> 00:43:50,980
Enough time to change, anyway.
For the party? Yeah.
774
00:43:51,140 --> 00:43:52,980
Cos she went as Madonna,
775
00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:55,260
the Desperately Seeking Susan one.
776
00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:57,620
You know, all the slap and the hair
and everything.
777
00:43:57,780 --> 00:44:00,340
It was an '80s theme, I think.
778
00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:04,380
Sorry, just a sec.
Sure.
779
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:14,420
This is from Hayley's diary.
780
00:44:14,620 --> 00:44:18,820
"I hate the '80s, I hate
fancy dress, so am going as ME!!
781
00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:21,380
"They should be so lucky.
Lucky, lucky, lucky!!"
782
00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:22,620
Maybe she changed her mind.
783
00:44:24,380 --> 00:44:27,540
Were there any other female staff
going to the party
784
00:44:27,740 --> 00:44:30,100
who would have been the same age,
same build as Hayley?
785
00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:38,900
Hey...
786
00:44:41,060 --> 00:44:42,580
Hey, Fran, what's up?
787
00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:45,220
There was another employee,
same build, same colouring,
788
00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:46,660
same hair as Hayley,
789
00:44:46,860 --> 00:44:49,180
who's just confirmed to me
that she went as Madonna
790
00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:51,020
and she left around 12:10.
791
00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:53,740
So you think the manager
saw her leaving, not Hayley?
792
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:56,100
I think it has to be
a very strong possibility.
793
00:44:56,140 --> 00:44:59,020
Which means the last confirmed
sighting of Hayley was way earlier.
794
00:44:59,220 --> 00:45:02,380
At 11, after which she could
easily have bunked off work early.
795
00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:04,460
OK, this is brilliant work, Fran.
796
00:45:04,542 --> 00:45:06,291
Let's talk first thing tomorrow.
797
00:45:06,316 --> 00:45:08,082
Goodnight, boss.
You heard that?
798
00:45:08,121 --> 00:45:10,001
So she could actually
have left the pub earlier.
799
00:45:10,026 --> 00:45:11,306
At 11.
800
00:45:11,459 --> 00:45:14,794
Which means we now have four men,
variously pissed,
801
00:45:14,836 --> 00:45:17,116
drugged up
and possibly mentally unstable,
802
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:18,919
out somewhere in Middenham,
803
00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:21,633
at exactly the same time as Hayley.
60695
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