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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:02,410 --> 00:01:04,368 All right, Mike, can you give me an audio check? 2 00:01:04,412 --> 00:01:05,456 MIKE deGRUY: Copy that. 3 00:01:07,328 --> 00:01:08,807 Bellows are set. 4 00:01:10,679 --> 00:01:12,768 Relatively comfortable in there? Over. 5 00:01:12,811 --> 00:01:15,031 Absolutely. Everything's go. 6 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:18,034 Oxygen's set. Vacuum has been pulled. 7 00:01:18,078 --> 00:01:21,603 I'm looking at a minus pound of pressure in here. 8 00:01:21,646 --> 00:01:26,651 If all goes well, today I will break the Pacific Abyss records, 9 00:01:26,695 --> 00:01:30,786 it is the first time that I will actually go beyond the range 10 00:01:30,829 --> 00:01:33,484 of even our deepest divers. 11 00:01:33,528 --> 00:01:37,097 In the immortal words of Buzz Lightyear: 12 00:01:37,140 --> 00:01:39,360 To infinity and beyond! 13 00:01:49,892 --> 00:01:52,242 Yeah, okay. Confirm feed off. And we're power up. 14 00:01:52,286 --> 00:01:53,765 - Power up. - Power up. 15 00:01:58,944 --> 00:02:01,947 Okay, Mike. Ready for deep dive? We're gonna let out umbilical. 16 00:02:01,991 --> 00:02:04,211 Okay, I'm going down. 17 00:02:04,254 --> 00:02:07,083 Just passing 223 feet. 18 00:02:07,127 --> 00:02:09,085 And I'm still heading down. 19 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:11,827 I'm now at 232 feet. 20 00:02:11,870 --> 00:02:16,484 This is where you start feeling like, "Mm, I'm alone down here now." 21 00:02:16,527 --> 00:02:21,402 No divers, nobody. Just me and my space suit. 22 00:02:22,751 --> 00:02:25,971 I'm now at 385 feet. 23 00:02:26,015 --> 00:02:27,886 Still descending. 24 00:02:27,930 --> 00:02:29,975 But it's dark out there! 25 00:02:30,019 --> 00:02:32,587 Right now, Mike is deep enough 26 00:02:32,630 --> 00:02:34,589 that, uh, we don't have any divers on board 27 00:02:34,632 --> 00:02:36,460 capable of any rescue or interventions. 28 00:02:36,504 --> 00:02:38,332 He's the master of his own fate right now. 29 00:02:38,375 --> 00:02:39,376 He's on his own. 30 00:02:43,337 --> 00:02:46,775 Study under the ocean these days, 31 00:02:46,818 --> 00:02:49,952 means you've got to be very good at doing quite a lot of things. 32 00:02:49,995 --> 00:02:52,476 And if you're going to really study deep water behavior, 33 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,478 you've got to be able to go there. 34 00:02:54,522 --> 00:02:56,611 That's a rather different proposition than saying, 35 00:02:56,654 --> 00:02:59,222 "Join me at the laboratory bench." 36 00:02:59,266 --> 00:03:03,835 Like, the best scientists, the best explorers that I've ever encountered, 37 00:03:03,879 --> 00:03:06,490 they have never quite grown up. 38 00:03:06,534 --> 00:03:08,753 Fortunately, Mike never did. 39 00:03:08,797 --> 00:03:11,539 It became who he was. 40 00:03:11,582 --> 00:03:12,844 Sorry. 41 00:03:12,888 --> 00:03:14,498 Good luck, little guy. 42 00:03:14,542 --> 00:03:15,804 See you later. 43 00:03:19,721 --> 00:03:24,856 MIMI deGRUY: It just seemed to me that he understood we all love the ocean, 44 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:29,687 and that it appealed to our better natures and that it united us. 45 00:03:29,731 --> 00:03:31,776 I think if you were to say 46 00:03:31,820 --> 00:03:34,866 what was the one defining characteristic of Mike as a professional, 47 00:03:34,910 --> 00:03:37,782 as a filmmaker, as a person, it was enthusiasm. 48 00:03:37,826 --> 00:03:40,326 It used to remind me of throwing potassium into a glass of water. 49 00:03:40,350 --> 00:03:43,527 You're nuts! Because it's freezing cold. 50 00:03:43,571 --> 00:03:46,574 - It's dark and it's a long way home. - Right. 51 00:03:46,617 --> 00:03:50,795 Mike became a celebrity host on Shark Week. 52 00:03:50,839 --> 00:03:53,276 I'm Mike DeGruy and I've been lucky enough 53 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,062 to swim with and film sharks like this for 30 years. 54 00:03:57,106 --> 00:04:02,720 The problems of getting those sort of shots depended on people like Mike. 55 00:04:02,764 --> 00:04:05,419 And, of course, there weren't many people like Mike. 56 00:04:05,462 --> 00:04:07,421 When I think of Mike, I think of panache. 57 00:04:07,464 --> 00:04:09,074 He... he didn't just tell the story. 58 00:04:09,118 --> 00:04:11,381 He told it with, with, you know, with style. 59 00:04:11,425 --> 00:04:13,427 He always spoke two languages simultaneously. 60 00:04:13,470 --> 00:04:17,169 English and hands. You know? 61 00:04:17,213 --> 00:04:20,303 All that hammerhead has to do is slightly tilt up, 62 00:04:20,347 --> 00:04:23,915 slightly tilt down, and it becomes extremely maneuverable. 63 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:27,267 FRANK deGRUY: He was mostly an explorer 64 00:04:27,310 --> 00:04:29,573 and a discoverer 65 00:04:29,617 --> 00:04:34,186 because he liked to come back with the stories. 66 00:04:34,230 --> 00:04:35,275 He would say, 67 00:04:35,318 --> 00:04:36,711 "Let me show you what I saw! 68 00:04:36,754 --> 00:04:38,626 "Let me show you this!" 69 00:04:38,669 --> 00:04:40,628 He would come back all excited and enthusiastic... 70 00:04:42,369 --> 00:04:44,936 at something that nobody had ever seen before. 71 00:04:56,165 --> 00:04:59,560 He always looked at it like he had found this secret code 72 00:04:59,603 --> 00:05:01,257 that unlocks this whole other room, 73 00:05:01,301 --> 00:05:02,954 and he just was shocked that everybody 74 00:05:02,998 --> 00:05:05,000 didn't wanna come into the secret room with him 75 00:05:05,043 --> 00:05:06,654 and see this whole other world. 76 00:05:08,699 --> 00:05:10,701 As crazy as Mike sometimes was, 77 00:05:10,745 --> 00:05:13,138 we all know he did a lot of crazy stuff, 78 00:05:13,182 --> 00:05:15,358 and some people may have looked at him and said, 79 00:05:15,402 --> 00:05:18,143 "That's irresponsible. You're nuts." 80 00:05:18,187 --> 00:05:23,627 This is classic reef life good behavior at night. 81 00:05:23,671 --> 00:05:27,196 Mike, I knew I could depend on if I was in a tough situation. 82 00:05:27,239 --> 00:05:28,719 I knew I could depend on him. 83 00:05:28,763 --> 00:05:30,155 Mike was a risk-taker, 84 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:32,810 but Mike was a superb risk-taker. 85 00:05:32,854 --> 00:05:36,379 He always landed on his feet, on that featherbed. 86 00:05:36,423 --> 00:05:39,034 There was a moment I felt 87 00:05:39,077 --> 00:05:42,864 it's just not worth it, the risk is not worth it. 88 00:05:42,907 --> 00:05:46,955 It's not worth it to the families to get that phone call. 89 00:05:46,998 --> 00:05:50,828 I couldn't even believe that what you were about to tell me 90 00:05:50,872 --> 00:05:53,309 was even, you know, possible. 91 00:06:22,643 --> 00:06:25,602 It was late at night, I was home alone 92 00:06:25,646 --> 00:06:28,475 when I got the phone call telling me that Mike had died. 93 00:06:30,085 --> 00:06:32,392 And I remember going outside, 94 00:06:32,435 --> 00:06:35,917 it was a really clear night, and thinking, 95 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,487 "This doesn't make any sense. I spoke to him this morning." 96 00:06:40,530 --> 00:06:44,926 How can someone so full of life 97 00:06:44,969 --> 00:06:47,929 be here one minute and then gone? 98 00:06:49,278 --> 00:06:52,542 I mean, this was my husband, 99 00:06:52,586 --> 00:06:54,370 the father of my children, 100 00:06:56,503 --> 00:06:57,852 my filmmaking partner. 101 00:06:58,940 --> 00:07:00,420 He was everything. 102 00:07:04,424 --> 00:07:07,601 When I finally made my way back into our edit room, 103 00:07:07,644 --> 00:07:10,299 I started watching footage. 104 00:07:10,342 --> 00:07:12,170 It was almost like Mike came alive. 105 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:18,829 And then, I found this piece of footage shot shortly before he died, 106 00:07:18,873 --> 00:07:21,397 and I watched it over and over. 107 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:24,182 To the insane amounts of money... 108 00:07:24,226 --> 00:07:29,405 Because he was so different from that enthusiastic, joyful Mike. 109 00:07:29,449 --> 00:07:34,671 And it seemed to me that his whole life had led him to that moment 110 00:07:34,715 --> 00:07:38,501 and he really wanted to share his outrage with the world. 111 00:07:38,545 --> 00:07:39,546 But then he couldn't. 112 00:07:40,895 --> 00:07:43,550 So, I knew I had to tell his story. 113 00:07:48,642 --> 00:07:50,252 I don't remember how this started. 114 00:07:53,298 --> 00:07:55,518 KATHERINE deGRUY: He was a different little boy. 115 00:07:55,562 --> 00:07:57,259 He really was. 116 00:07:57,302 --> 00:07:59,479 Mike was an animal lover. 117 00:07:59,522 --> 00:08:03,265 He had two ducks herding the puppies together 118 00:08:03,308 --> 00:08:06,224 and taking 'em down in the backyard. 119 00:08:06,268 --> 00:08:08,270 He was like a child. 120 00:08:08,313 --> 00:08:10,620 Everywhere he looked, no matter what he saw, what it was, 121 00:08:10,664 --> 00:08:12,666 he wanted to go touch, feel, 122 00:08:12,709 --> 00:08:15,103 examine, get up close. "Ooh, it bit me. Oh, well." You know? 123 00:08:15,146 --> 00:08:17,018 I remember him getting his thumb stuck 124 00:08:17,061 --> 00:08:19,934 in the mouth of a Komodo dragon in the Galapagos, you know. 125 00:08:19,977 --> 00:08:22,414 That's not something you want to be reaching out to pet. 126 00:08:22,458 --> 00:08:24,242 But that was Mike. 127 00:08:24,286 --> 00:08:26,810 Another adaptation that the silky sharks have made for... 128 00:08:27,898 --> 00:08:29,334 Shit! 129 00:08:29,378 --> 00:08:30,945 Living in the pelagic environment... 130 00:08:30,988 --> 00:08:33,121 I was just bitten by one, actually. 131 00:08:33,164 --> 00:08:35,036 The, uh... 132 00:08:35,079 --> 00:08:36,733 Actually, my hand hurts. 133 00:08:36,777 --> 00:08:39,127 - So you think you gotta come up? - Yeah. 134 00:08:39,170 --> 00:08:43,523 Mike had more enthusiasm and interest and excitement, 135 00:08:43,566 --> 00:08:47,875 and he usually would take things farther than the rest of us. 136 00:08:47,918 --> 00:08:51,443 But there was a lot of energy. Four boys in five years. 137 00:08:51,487 --> 00:08:53,837 It was a little bit like, 138 00:08:53,881 --> 00:08:58,146 "Don't anybody strike a match in this room." 139 00:08:58,189 --> 00:09:02,367 He collected animals a lot more than the rest of us did. 140 00:09:02,411 --> 00:09:04,152 Most of the time, that went pretty well. 141 00:09:04,195 --> 00:09:07,111 But sometimes, that went awry. 142 00:09:07,155 --> 00:09:09,897 I think it was a garter snake. It might have been a green snake. 143 00:09:09,940 --> 00:09:13,465 Some kind of snake got away and we forgot about it. 144 00:09:13,509 --> 00:09:16,033 He said, "Mama, I can't find my snake. It got away." 145 00:09:16,077 --> 00:09:20,168 A lot of distress. No snake to be found for months. 146 00:09:20,211 --> 00:09:23,650 And out of the TV, the snake came up, 147 00:09:23,693 --> 00:09:26,217 and I don't know why it wasn't electrocuted 148 00:09:26,261 --> 00:09:28,785 with those tubes and everything there 149 00:09:28,829 --> 00:09:32,484 because Mike was a little bitty boy, so TV had just come out. 150 00:09:32,528 --> 00:09:34,835 And I could have killed him. I could have killed him. 151 00:09:34,878 --> 00:09:37,925 I said, "You get that thing and get it out of this house!" 152 00:09:37,968 --> 00:09:41,929 But it was those early days of snakes and frogs and lizards 153 00:09:41,972 --> 00:09:46,890 in the Mobile delta that probably got me started. 154 00:09:46,934 --> 00:09:49,545 He loved the water from his earliest childhood. 155 00:09:49,589 --> 00:09:51,199 We lived on the water 156 00:09:51,242 --> 00:09:55,899 and we had rivers and bayous, sounds, lagoons 157 00:09:55,943 --> 00:09:57,509 and the Gulf of Mexico. 158 00:09:57,553 --> 00:09:59,313 We had a lot of different kinds of water around 159 00:09:59,337 --> 00:10:01,339 and we fooled around in all of that water. 160 00:10:01,383 --> 00:10:04,560 And Mike was more interested in it than any of us. 161 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:09,609 You know, he spent his summers at the pool, swimming pool, diving. 162 00:10:09,652 --> 00:10:12,437 We were all divers growing up, springboard divers. 163 00:10:12,481 --> 00:10:16,354 Their daddy, at first, coached 'em. 164 00:10:16,398 --> 00:10:19,270 GLENN deGRUY: My dad, in order to make himself coach better, 165 00:10:19,314 --> 00:10:21,229 he went and got an eight millimeter camera 166 00:10:21,272 --> 00:10:22,665 and filmed us diving, 167 00:10:22,709 --> 00:10:24,208 where we could play it back and watch it. 168 00:10:24,232 --> 00:10:26,930 That had a lot to do with getting better. 169 00:10:26,974 --> 00:10:29,237 And it got Mike interested in filming, 170 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,587 and he made crazy home movies. 171 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,513 When Mike started out as a diver, he was scared. 172 00:10:44,556 --> 00:10:46,515 He wouldn't try new dives. 173 00:10:46,558 --> 00:10:48,038 He was just afraid to do 'em. 174 00:10:48,082 --> 00:10:49,823 And then one day, 175 00:10:49,866 --> 00:10:52,608 he decided that he was gonna do 'em, and he did. 176 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:56,568 Mike got on the boards and started trying stuff. 177 00:10:56,612 --> 00:10:59,484 He was flipping and twisting. He was landing flat. 178 00:10:59,528 --> 00:11:01,878 He would get back up there and try it again. 179 00:11:01,922 --> 00:11:03,880 We couldn't believe our eyes. 180 00:11:03,924 --> 00:11:07,362 My dad and I looked at each other like, "What happened?" 181 00:11:07,405 --> 00:11:09,712 He quit being scared. I don't know how 182 00:11:09,756 --> 00:11:12,280 he exactly looked fear in the eye, but he did. 183 00:11:12,323 --> 00:11:17,807 That marked an inflection point in his psychological development. 184 00:11:17,851 --> 00:11:19,766 He never went back. 185 00:11:19,809 --> 00:11:21,724 He had more guts. He had more courage. 186 00:11:21,768 --> 00:11:24,727 He would push things farther and harder 187 00:11:24,771 --> 00:11:28,731 than anybody I knew from then on. 188 00:11:28,775 --> 00:11:31,560 My oldest brother and Mike, my younger brother, 189 00:11:31,603 --> 00:11:34,389 both beat guys that won the Olympics. 190 00:11:34,432 --> 00:11:39,002 It just so happened their timin' wasn't right to be in the Olympics. 191 00:11:39,046 --> 00:11:42,440 Diving is all about incredible timing 192 00:11:42,484 --> 00:11:44,747 and incredible precision. 193 00:11:44,791 --> 00:11:48,359 And so, I think he carried a lot of that Olympic training that he had 194 00:11:48,403 --> 00:11:50,927 into how he even approached his career. 195 00:11:50,971 --> 00:11:52,407 This dive is so hard. 196 00:11:52,450 --> 00:11:53,906 We saw one Russian attempt it in Munich 197 00:11:53,930 --> 00:11:55,410 and he landed flat on his back. 198 00:11:55,453 --> 00:11:56,759 Now, let's see what Mike can do. 199 00:11:56,803 --> 00:11:58,108 It's an awfully difficult dive. 200 00:12:01,677 --> 00:12:03,984 Oh, terrific! 201 00:12:04,027 --> 00:12:09,163 His lust for life, his gusto, and in part, the diving developed that. 202 00:12:09,206 --> 00:12:12,514 That freedom that you get when you're really good, 203 00:12:12,557 --> 00:12:15,343 free-falling in the air, line up right. 204 00:12:15,386 --> 00:12:17,998 There's nothing as exhilarating as that. 205 00:12:18,041 --> 00:12:19,869 You're free of gravity. 206 00:12:19,913 --> 00:12:24,352 You're free of the constraints of normal human limitations. 207 00:12:24,395 --> 00:12:29,574 His body was his wisdom as much as his mind. 208 00:12:29,618 --> 00:12:34,014 The wonderful thing for me about diving is that you can fly. 209 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:41,891 I just love the feeling of weightlessness. 210 00:12:41,935 --> 00:12:45,373 Scuba diving is incredible, or free diving even better, 211 00:12:45,416 --> 00:12:49,464 where you're completely supported by this body of water. 212 00:12:49,507 --> 00:12:51,771 I feel nurtured by it. 213 00:12:51,814 --> 00:12:56,079 And therefore, I started working very hard to learn as much as I could about it, 214 00:12:56,123 --> 00:12:59,213 and at a certain point, decided to make films about it. 215 00:12:59,256 --> 00:13:01,519 So I'm still with it a lot. 216 00:13:02,956 --> 00:13:05,175 So I was working at the Waikiki Aquarium. 217 00:13:05,219 --> 00:13:08,004 That was three years, and I just had a little bit to go on a PhD. 218 00:13:08,048 --> 00:13:10,137 A guy walked into the aquarium one day 219 00:13:10,180 --> 00:13:12,356 and he saw the chambered nautilus on display, 220 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,445 which a friend of mine and I had collected. 221 00:13:14,489 --> 00:13:17,579 And it happened to be the animal that was my study animal 222 00:13:17,622 --> 00:13:18,841 as a grad student. 223 00:13:18,885 --> 00:13:20,495 Anyway, this guy wanted me 224 00:13:20,538 --> 00:13:22,279 to collect some for him 225 00:13:22,323 --> 00:13:25,195 and send the nautilus back to Florida 226 00:13:25,239 --> 00:13:27,284 so he could have them on display. 227 00:13:27,328 --> 00:13:30,418 So he sent myself and some friends out to the South Pacific 228 00:13:30,461 --> 00:13:32,768 to collect chambered nautilus for him. 229 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:35,510 And we did. We made a film which was horrible, horrible. 230 00:13:35,553 --> 00:13:38,252 No, it was not. It was a good film. 231 00:13:38,295 --> 00:13:39,862 - Said my wife. - For you at least. 232 00:13:39,906 --> 00:13:41,777 Yeah! 233 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:44,171 It was the most fun I had ever had. 234 00:13:48,218 --> 00:13:52,483 And finally, there they were, nautilus. 235 00:13:52,527 --> 00:13:55,878 It was a big moment for me and my friend Bruce Carlson, 236 00:13:55,922 --> 00:13:58,054 with whom I first collected nautilus. 237 00:13:58,098 --> 00:13:59,989 They've probably been here for hundreds of millions of years 238 00:14:00,013 --> 00:14:01,579 in this kind of habitat. 239 00:14:01,623 --> 00:14:04,147 And I thought, "Well, wait a second. 240 00:14:04,191 --> 00:14:06,410 "This was so much fun, 241 00:14:06,454 --> 00:14:08,562 "and I can make movies about the animals that I've been learning about. 242 00:14:08,586 --> 00:14:10,284 "Maybe I should just be a filmmaker 243 00:14:10,327 --> 00:14:12,547 "and teach to the millions rather than the hundreds." 244 00:14:12,590 --> 00:14:14,549 And so, I literally came back from that trip, 245 00:14:14,592 --> 00:14:17,291 quit school, hung my filmmaking shingle, 246 00:14:17,334 --> 00:14:19,138 never told anyone I didn't know what I was doing, 247 00:14:19,162 --> 00:14:21,295 and just started making films. 248 00:14:21,338 --> 00:14:23,775 But the point of it all is that it was fun, 249 00:14:23,819 --> 00:14:25,865 and I just kept doing it and kept doing it 250 00:14:25,908 --> 00:14:27,930 and got better and better and better and then got paid for it, 251 00:14:27,954 --> 00:14:30,304 and it's the only job I've ever had. 252 00:14:30,347 --> 00:14:31,914 When I first met Mike, 253 00:14:31,958 --> 00:14:35,265 it was when we were coming to film in Samoa 254 00:14:35,309 --> 00:14:37,354 with both of you, all three of you, 255 00:14:37,398 --> 00:14:39,922 and I'd been told that he'd had a shark attack 256 00:14:39,966 --> 00:14:41,837 and his arm was all messed up, 257 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:46,929 and I expected to meet this kind of immobilized, gimpy guy 258 00:14:46,973 --> 00:14:50,454 and he walks in, and here's this muscular 259 00:14:50,498 --> 00:14:53,457 just, you know, very vi... 260 00:14:53,501 --> 00:14:56,156 - Vitalious? - I was gonna say virile. 261 00:14:56,199 --> 00:14:58,114 That didn't really sound right. 262 00:14:58,158 --> 00:15:02,292 - That's what you were thinking. - I know! 263 00:15:02,336 --> 00:15:05,948 I really didn't know what to make of Mike those first few days 264 00:15:05,992 --> 00:15:09,734 because he was so flirtatious. 265 00:15:09,778 --> 00:15:11,954 So I just thought, "Uh, no." 266 00:15:13,086 --> 00:15:14,870 But then something happened. 267 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:16,959 We had an underwater shoot, 268 00:15:17,003 --> 00:15:21,224 and I had never seen anyone like him. 269 00:15:21,268 --> 00:15:24,575 He was almost amphibious. 270 00:15:24,619 --> 00:15:27,752 And I just wish, like anything I wish, 271 00:15:27,796 --> 00:15:33,236 that I had 10% of Mike's skill being at home underwater. 272 00:15:34,324 --> 00:15:36,544 And he was so curious, 273 00:15:36,587 --> 00:15:41,288 he effervesced with this joy and he was funny. 274 00:15:41,331 --> 00:15:43,638 He was incredibly funny. 275 00:15:46,206 --> 00:15:53,822 And he seemed to me to be in really deep conversation with the ocean. 276 00:15:53,865 --> 00:16:00,394 He became this kind of emissary or shaman from that world, 277 00:16:00,437 --> 00:16:03,223 and suddenly, I was hooked. 278 00:16:03,266 --> 00:16:05,877 And I fell totally in love. 279 00:16:07,705 --> 00:16:09,969 I was living in Hawaii when Mimi and I met. 280 00:16:10,012 --> 00:16:12,623 Mimi was living in Atlanta. 281 00:16:12,667 --> 00:16:15,626 And we had this long-distance relationship going 282 00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:18,629 and you know how wonderful those last. 283 00:16:18,673 --> 00:16:20,892 Mike and I stayed in touch after we met, 284 00:16:20,936 --> 00:16:25,158 and he would write me these beautiful, long, descriptive letters 285 00:16:25,201 --> 00:16:29,771 about a film he was making with Paul and Gracie Atkins. 286 00:16:29,814 --> 00:16:33,862 I was so fascinated by his adventurous spirit 287 00:16:33,905 --> 00:16:38,084 because it wasn't a simple adrenaline rush, 288 00:16:38,127 --> 00:16:40,608 he really had a higher purpose. 289 00:16:59,975 --> 00:17:02,064 We're fairly early in our careers, 290 00:17:02,108 --> 00:17:05,328 and we want to do a great natural history film about Hawaii. 291 00:17:05,372 --> 00:17:09,028 We made a list to the BBC about all these sequences that could be filmed, 292 00:17:09,071 --> 00:17:11,160 and they said, "Great, you're off and running." 293 00:17:11,204 --> 00:17:14,468 I mean, it was barely a proposal or a budget or anything. 294 00:17:14,511 --> 00:17:16,383 So here we are making this film, 295 00:17:16,426 --> 00:17:18,602 and only one other cameraman in the world 296 00:17:18,646 --> 00:17:21,692 had ever shot an image of lava flowing into the ocean, 297 00:17:21,736 --> 00:17:24,347 and it had been off Hawaii years before. 298 00:17:24,391 --> 00:17:28,090 We're not sure what the film is really about, you know? 299 00:17:28,134 --> 00:17:30,788 And Madame Pele let us know. 300 00:17:34,531 --> 00:17:36,857 We were a little bit nervous about getting up close to the lava. 301 00:17:36,881 --> 00:17:39,014 So we're sitting there on the boat 302 00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:41,253 trying to figure out exactly how we're gonna conduct this dive, 303 00:17:41,277 --> 00:17:44,759 and Mike, while we're talking this out, grabs his boogie board, 304 00:17:44,802 --> 00:17:47,153 grabs his underwater housing, 305 00:17:47,196 --> 00:17:51,113 and swims right up to the lava, right where it's going into the water. 306 00:17:51,157 --> 00:17:55,291 So being his assistant, I jump in, I swim up behind him. 307 00:17:55,335 --> 00:17:58,033 All of this is brand new. Nobody's done this before. 308 00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:03,212 And Mike is right there in the heat of the moment, in the eye of the storm. 309 00:18:03,256 --> 00:18:04,822 We didn't know this at this dive, 310 00:18:04,866 --> 00:18:07,434 but over a few days, the shelf builds up. 311 00:18:07,477 --> 00:18:11,090 The slope gets steeper and steeper until suddenly, it lets go. 312 00:18:16,791 --> 00:18:18,880 There were flaming balls of methane gas 313 00:18:18,923 --> 00:18:21,012 that were going off in front of your face. 314 00:18:21,056 --> 00:18:23,754 You'd feel this whoomp against your chest as they would go up. 315 00:18:23,798 --> 00:18:27,193 Scientists were aware that methane gas was being created by the lava, 316 00:18:27,236 --> 00:18:29,499 and it would blow trees out of the ground on land, 317 00:18:29,543 --> 00:18:32,633 but no one had seen the effect of that methane underwater. 318 00:18:32,676 --> 00:18:36,463 It's like you're driving down a freeway in a car, 319 00:18:36,506 --> 00:18:39,030 and as long as you don't stick your head out the window, 320 00:18:39,074 --> 00:18:41,294 you don't realize you're going 50 miles an hour. 321 00:18:41,337 --> 00:18:44,340 Until you stick your head out the window, you know? 322 00:18:44,384 --> 00:18:46,386 And that was like we were in a car, 323 00:18:46,429 --> 00:18:48,431 dropping down with all of this rock. 324 00:18:48,475 --> 00:18:51,869 So I had no idea how deep we were going or when we would stop, 325 00:18:51,913 --> 00:18:55,482 and unfortunately, I got tossed out to the side. 326 00:18:55,525 --> 00:18:58,441 We all did, at various depths. 327 00:18:58,485 --> 00:19:02,010 Everything was fine, but that was the end of our lava dive. 328 00:19:06,014 --> 00:19:10,192 Eventually, Mike and I realized we really wanted to be together. 329 00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:14,327 So I left my job and went to work with him, 330 00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:17,852 and we had a commission to do a film on sharks. 331 00:19:17,895 --> 00:19:22,248 Mike was so charismatic that he talked me, 332 00:19:22,291 --> 00:19:24,206 a girl from Pittsburgh, 333 00:19:24,250 --> 00:19:27,427 into diving with sharks two weeks after I was certified. 334 00:19:40,309 --> 00:19:44,487 We took three years traveling all over the world, 335 00:19:44,531 --> 00:19:48,099 finding the best shark behavior stories. 336 00:19:48,143 --> 00:19:51,059 Those were the days when the budgets would support that. 337 00:19:51,102 --> 00:19:57,239 The days before reality TV and that endless appetite for cheap programming. 338 00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:59,807 We often spent weeks just observing 339 00:19:59,850 --> 00:20:02,331 before shooting even a single frame. 340 00:20:02,375 --> 00:20:04,507 You know, when he was in the ocean, 341 00:20:04,551 --> 00:20:08,381 and trying to decide whether to roll on something, it was hard 342 00:20:08,424 --> 00:20:10,513 because you only had so many minutes of film, 343 00:20:10,557 --> 00:20:12,994 you were all the way down at the bottom, all this heavy gear. 344 00:20:13,037 --> 00:20:16,519 It was almost like he knew exactly... 345 00:20:16,563 --> 00:20:18,913 the moment that he should start rolling. 346 00:20:18,956 --> 00:20:21,045 I don't know if that's intuition or just skill. 347 00:20:21,089 --> 00:20:26,007 His sense of what was going to happen next was very good. 348 00:20:26,050 --> 00:20:28,314 His intuitions misled him sometimes. 349 00:20:31,142 --> 00:20:33,493 I think it's impossible for me to tell you 350 00:20:33,536 --> 00:20:35,408 how I feel emotionally right now. 351 00:20:35,451 --> 00:20:39,107 This is the first time I've returned to Enewetak Atoll 352 00:20:39,150 --> 00:20:43,067 since the single most extraordinary event in my life took place 353 00:20:43,111 --> 00:20:45,766 in the lagoon right out there. 354 00:20:45,809 --> 00:20:48,943 I was scuba diving with a friend of mine at about 50 feet. 355 00:20:48,986 --> 00:20:50,771 It's a beautiful day, a beautiful dive, 356 00:20:50,814 --> 00:20:53,295 everything was going according to plan. 357 00:20:53,339 --> 00:20:55,297 I was taking still pictures. 358 00:20:55,341 --> 00:20:57,430 There was a variety of sharks around, 359 00:20:57,473 --> 00:20:59,258 and they were coming particularly close. 360 00:20:59,301 --> 00:21:01,521 And, as a matter of fact, I remember thinking, 361 00:21:01,564 --> 00:21:05,481 "Boy, this is a great roll. I'm getting good close-ups of this fish." 362 00:21:05,525 --> 00:21:08,441 One of them in particular, it was a five-foot female, 363 00:21:08,484 --> 00:21:11,705 was going through a very dramatic posture where its nose was up, 364 00:21:11,748 --> 00:21:14,577 its pectoral fins were lowered, its mouth slightly open. 365 00:21:14,621 --> 00:21:17,537 And I looked at it, and my immediate reaction was, 366 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:20,496 this was a warning I was seeing, that it is a threat posture. 367 00:21:20,540 --> 00:21:23,151 The more I looked at it, the more injured it appeared. 368 00:21:23,194 --> 00:21:24,979 So I took its picture. 369 00:21:25,022 --> 00:21:28,330 The moment the strobe fired, so did the shark, 370 00:21:28,374 --> 00:21:30,289 and it broke out of the posture. 371 00:21:30,332 --> 00:21:31,942 Before the mirror in the camera 372 00:21:31,986 --> 00:21:33,292 even returned so that I could see 373 00:21:33,335 --> 00:21:34,641 through the viewfinder again, 374 00:21:34,684 --> 00:21:38,166 it had halved the distance between us. 375 00:21:38,209 --> 00:21:41,082 So, all I could do was just push the camera out toward it. 376 00:21:41,125 --> 00:21:42,649 At that point, it seemed like 377 00:21:42,692 --> 00:21:44,346 things were happening in slow motion. 378 00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:46,870 I could see the shark coming right at me. 379 00:21:46,914 --> 00:21:48,872 And right as it got to the camera, 380 00:21:48,916 --> 00:21:50,352 it started opening its mouth 381 00:21:50,396 --> 00:21:52,789 and pushed the camera to the side, 382 00:21:52,833 --> 00:21:54,574 which naturally presented my elbow. 383 00:21:54,617 --> 00:21:56,315 And again, in slow motion, 384 00:21:56,358 --> 00:21:58,360 as though it had rehearsed it a hundred times, 385 00:21:58,404 --> 00:22:00,449 just grabbed my arm in its mouth, 386 00:22:00,493 --> 00:22:03,104 shook and took off the top of my arm. 387 00:22:03,147 --> 00:22:05,106 He was in the hospital six weeks 388 00:22:05,149 --> 00:22:09,502 because they had to take parts from all over his body 389 00:22:09,545 --> 00:22:13,375 to get that arm back where he could use it. 390 00:22:13,419 --> 00:22:14,985 And it was amazing. 391 00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:18,119 And they wanted to patch it up to make it look better. 392 00:22:18,162 --> 00:22:20,774 It looked like a quilt, you know. 393 00:22:20,817 --> 00:22:23,733 But he wouldn't do that. He said, "I've had enough." 394 00:22:23,777 --> 00:22:26,083 KEN deGRUY: Typical Mike, good spirits. 395 00:22:26,127 --> 00:22:31,959 We're talking about the shark that they found dead washed up on shore. 396 00:22:32,002 --> 00:22:33,264 I said, "Really?" And he goes, 397 00:22:33,308 --> 00:22:35,223 "Yeah. He died of food poisoning." 398 00:22:36,616 --> 00:22:38,139 But he healed and he had a great scar 399 00:22:38,182 --> 00:22:39,812 to tell everybody about for the rest of his life, 400 00:22:39,836 --> 00:22:41,403 which he did. 401 00:22:41,447 --> 00:22:43,187 I think he was particularly fond of the fact 402 00:22:43,231 --> 00:22:46,887 that part of the grafted skin came from his buttocks. 403 00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:51,935 Anybody less full of whim than Mike wouldn't have survived that. 404 00:22:53,328 --> 00:22:55,243 And yet, not only did he survive, 405 00:22:55,286 --> 00:22:57,158 he went back and going on doing it. 406 00:22:58,289 --> 00:23:00,335 Extraordinary. 407 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:01,728 JOE MaclNNIS: Risk is something 408 00:23:01,771 --> 00:23:03,686 that's so essential to our lives. 409 00:23:03,730 --> 00:23:07,516 You go out there because it's a discovery of the other world. 410 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,605 The ocean world, the depths, the creatures. 411 00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:11,955 But it's a self-discovery as well. 412 00:23:11,999 --> 00:23:14,523 And risk is the catalyst that allows us... 413 00:23:14,567 --> 00:23:17,439 It's a lens that allows us to look inside ourselves 414 00:23:17,483 --> 00:23:20,137 and see who we really are. 415 00:23:20,181 --> 00:23:22,749 One of the things that I don't buy about sharks 416 00:23:22,792 --> 00:23:24,359 is that they're unpredictable. 417 00:23:24,403 --> 00:23:27,014 And that is exactly why I went back to Enewetak 418 00:23:27,057 --> 00:23:29,233 and recreated my shark attack. 419 00:23:29,277 --> 00:23:33,629 I knew that if I put that shark and myself in a position, 420 00:23:33,673 --> 00:23:35,588 that I could get that shark to attack me. 421 00:23:35,631 --> 00:23:38,678 And sure enough, I covered myself, protected myself, 422 00:23:38,721 --> 00:23:41,724 and I was able to press the shark and elicit an attack. 423 00:23:41,768 --> 00:23:43,813 Now, is that unpredictable? 424 00:23:50,516 --> 00:23:53,867 I was really moved by Mike's reaction 425 00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:58,567 because he could have hated that shark that nearly killed him. 426 00:23:58,611 --> 00:24:01,527 But he understood that he'd made a mistake 427 00:24:01,570 --> 00:24:04,660 and the shark was just behaving naturally. 428 00:24:04,704 --> 00:24:08,447 It was a really beautiful and brave response. 429 00:24:11,014 --> 00:24:14,975 Mike loved to tell people he had two birthdays. 430 00:24:15,018 --> 00:24:18,544 The second was the day he survived that attack 431 00:24:18,587 --> 00:24:21,808 because he really felt he'd been given a second chance. 432 00:24:23,157 --> 00:24:24,985 I think Mike took that scar, 433 00:24:25,028 --> 00:24:28,336 not as a badge of courage about what he had survived, 434 00:24:28,379 --> 00:24:31,861 but I think he took it as an impetus 435 00:24:31,905 --> 00:24:33,776 for standing up and saying, 436 00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:37,301 "If I can tell you that sharks are not deadly, 437 00:24:37,345 --> 00:24:39,173 "they're beautiful and magnificent creatures, 438 00:24:39,216 --> 00:24:41,523 "they need to be saved, 439 00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:43,893 "and this arm is evidence of my being in a different situation with the shark, 440 00:24:43,917 --> 00:24:46,789 "then you should give my words some credit." 441 00:24:46,833 --> 00:24:49,183 Some people always have been susceptible 442 00:24:49,226 --> 00:24:51,577 to wanting to watch programs about sharks killing. 443 00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:53,274 Eating people, killing things. 444 00:24:53,317 --> 00:24:55,363 You know, that image sticks in people's minds. 445 00:24:56,103 --> 00:24:57,408 And it sells. 446 00:24:57,452 --> 00:25:00,847 To me, it's like animal pornography. 447 00:25:00,890 --> 00:25:03,066 Look at the heat profile of this shark... 448 00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:05,808 Mike was always getting into a battle with producers 449 00:25:05,852 --> 00:25:08,463 over this sensationalism 450 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:11,858 versus trying to tell a more honest story. 451 00:25:11,901 --> 00:25:15,688 We've seen an incredible variety of sharks in this program, 452 00:25:15,731 --> 00:25:19,300 but is one of them more perfectly designed than another? 453 00:25:19,343 --> 00:25:21,607 I don't think so. 454 00:25:21,650 --> 00:25:24,958 Seems to me, they're all perfectly designed for their particular niche, 455 00:25:25,001 --> 00:25:27,613 and the time that they lived in. 456 00:25:27,656 --> 00:25:29,484 They're very sophisticated animals. 457 00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:32,356 I mean, anything that's had 400 million years to evolve, 458 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,142 you can imagine how good they are at what they do, 459 00:25:35,185 --> 00:25:36,839 and that's where sharks are. 460 00:25:36,883 --> 00:25:39,886 They're extremely well adapted to the environment. 461 00:25:39,929 --> 00:25:43,280 And to be underwater and look at these animals 462 00:25:43,324 --> 00:25:45,935 is something that can take your breath away. 463 00:25:45,979 --> 00:25:47,415 They're beautiful! 464 00:25:49,112 --> 00:25:51,071 Mike was like a missionary. 465 00:25:51,114 --> 00:25:55,597 He was so driven to share his admiration for sharks, 466 00:25:55,641 --> 00:25:59,253 in part, I think, because they're so diverse, 467 00:25:59,296 --> 00:26:02,909 and for him, it was a lesson in life 468 00:26:02,952 --> 00:26:06,739 that diversity is what's going to enable you to survive. 469 00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:13,528 There were at least nine shark-attack survivors on Capitol Hill today 470 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:16,618 lobbying to protect their toothy attackers. 471 00:26:16,662 --> 00:26:19,447 They want the Senate to pass the US Shark Conservation Act. 472 00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:20,840 Joining us now is Mike DeGruy. 473 00:26:20,883 --> 00:26:23,494 What I try to tell others about, 474 00:26:23,538 --> 00:26:25,801 especially others in a position 475 00:26:25,845 --> 00:26:28,108 to, you know, enact law, 476 00:26:28,151 --> 00:26:30,110 is that they're... 477 00:26:30,153 --> 00:26:33,026 They're are a lot more than, you know, feeding machines 478 00:26:33,069 --> 00:26:35,289 that run around making baby sharks 479 00:26:35,332 --> 00:26:36,638 and eating anything in sight. 480 00:26:36,682 --> 00:26:39,075 More appropriate to why I am here, 481 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,425 with the rest of the people who have been attacked, 482 00:26:41,469 --> 00:26:43,123 is that they're vanishing. 483 00:26:43,166 --> 00:26:47,083 My experience with sharks has left scars. 484 00:26:47,127 --> 00:26:49,303 But more importantly, it has given me knowledge 485 00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:52,088 about these beautifully designed creatures. 486 00:26:52,132 --> 00:26:54,482 And I believe knowledge dissipates fear. 487 00:26:56,397 --> 00:26:58,921 I'm convinced that the more we know about them, 488 00:26:58,965 --> 00:27:00,619 the less we will fear them. 489 00:27:00,662 --> 00:27:03,230 And we'll realize that they are not our enemies. 490 00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:06,973 My hope is we can stop being theirs. 491 00:27:09,192 --> 00:27:10,890 In those early days, 492 00:27:10,933 --> 00:27:13,153 Mike was also working on a David Attenborough series 493 00:27:13,196 --> 00:27:14,807 called Trials of Life, 494 00:27:14,850 --> 00:27:18,506 And he would be away for long stretches of time. 495 00:27:21,204 --> 00:27:23,424 Well, it's April Fool's Day. 496 00:27:23,467 --> 00:27:24,860 How you doing, Mimi? 497 00:27:27,036 --> 00:27:28,535 It's kind of strange talking into this thing, 498 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,736 but it seemed like a good idea. 499 00:27:30,779 --> 00:27:32,172 What you hear out there 500 00:27:32,215 --> 00:27:34,261 is an incredible wind. 501 00:27:34,304 --> 00:27:36,916 I'm sitting on the edge of the beach 502 00:27:36,959 --> 00:27:38,700 and I'm thinking of you 503 00:27:38,744 --> 00:27:40,896 and missing you and wishing, wishing, wishing, wishing, 504 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,704 wishing that I were with you, 505 00:27:42,748 --> 00:27:44,706 there, here, anywhere! 506 00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:47,013 It's terrible. 507 00:27:47,056 --> 00:27:51,060 I first met Mike in 1990 508 00:27:51,104 --> 00:27:55,717 when I went to look at some mind-blowing footage 509 00:27:55,761 --> 00:27:59,590 of killer whales taking sea lion pups in Patagonia. 510 00:27:59,634 --> 00:28:02,942 It was the first time that anyone had ever seen that. 511 00:28:02,985 --> 00:28:05,118 And, of course, it was sensational. 512 00:28:05,161 --> 00:28:08,425 At that time, animal behavior was very rarely filmed. 513 00:28:08,469 --> 00:28:11,037 That was one of the wonderful things about working on that series. 514 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,604 Almost all the sequences had never been done before. 515 00:28:13,648 --> 00:28:15,171 But at the same time, 516 00:28:15,215 --> 00:28:16,845 that was very worrying because we didn't know 517 00:28:16,869 --> 00:28:19,610 whether we were going to succeed often. 518 00:28:19,654 --> 00:28:22,788 So I spent a lot of time with these baby sea lions. 519 00:28:22,831 --> 00:28:26,879 I would put on my wetsuit, roll around in sea lion dung, 520 00:28:26,922 --> 00:28:28,489 put my camera on a boogie board 521 00:28:28,532 --> 00:28:31,448 and slowly inch my way up to the colony. 522 00:28:31,492 --> 00:28:33,712 And after a while, they pretty much ignored me. 523 00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:36,802 And suddenly, killer whale fins turned up, 524 00:28:36,845 --> 00:28:38,301 and we thought, "Oh, boy, here we go." 525 00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:40,849 And the sequence started unfolding 526 00:28:40,893 --> 00:28:43,112 just as we had imagined that it would. 527 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,121 We were shooting all of it from the beach, 528 00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:53,993 and it was time to get in the water. 529 00:28:54,036 --> 00:28:56,865 Juan Carlos Lopez, the scientist in Patagonia 530 00:28:56,909 --> 00:29:00,956 who had been studying this population of orcas for over 20 years, 531 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,002 had made it crystal clear to us 532 00:29:03,045 --> 00:29:07,746 there is no way you can safely get into the water with the orca. 533 00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:11,140 Just about everybody in Argentina said, "You would die, 534 00:29:11,184 --> 00:29:14,013 "because these are killer whales that hunt mammals, 535 00:29:14,056 --> 00:29:15,579 "and you're a mammal." 536 00:29:15,623 --> 00:29:19,061 For weeks and weeks I watched this behavior. 537 00:29:19,105 --> 00:29:21,411 These killer whales moving back and forth, 538 00:29:21,455 --> 00:29:24,588 and a sea lion pup would go out into what we call "The Kill Zone." 539 00:29:24,632 --> 00:29:27,069 And over the weeks, I saw a pattern develop. 540 00:29:27,113 --> 00:29:30,246 There could be a bunch of sea lions crossing this channel. 541 00:29:30,290 --> 00:29:33,032 And there could be adults, males and females, 542 00:29:33,075 --> 00:29:36,035 and hidden in there in the surf and in the crazy, 543 00:29:36,078 --> 00:29:38,428 will be one little pup. 544 00:29:38,472 --> 00:29:40,691 And if there was one pup in there, 545 00:29:40,735 --> 00:29:43,912 killer whales who were sitting out, 50 yards out or 40 yards out, 546 00:29:43,956 --> 00:29:45,522 and unable to see, 547 00:29:45,566 --> 00:29:48,264 but using echo-location or passive hearing, 548 00:29:48,308 --> 00:29:52,616 were able to detect whether in the group there was a pup or not 549 00:29:52,660 --> 00:29:54,357 from 50 yards out. 550 00:29:54,401 --> 00:29:56,533 And if there was a pup, they would attack. 551 00:29:56,577 --> 00:29:59,101 If it was the same sort of group of sea lions with just adults, 552 00:29:59,145 --> 00:30:01,060 they would just sit there. 553 00:30:01,103 --> 00:30:04,193 So, obviously, their sensory system was so fine-tuned 554 00:30:04,237 --> 00:30:08,981 that Mike and I were convinced that they were never gonna mistake us, 555 00:30:09,024 --> 00:30:11,940 with metal tanks, big metal housings, 556 00:30:11,984 --> 00:30:14,116 for a seal. 557 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,294 After seeing probably 30 of these die a violent death, 558 00:30:18,338 --> 00:30:21,689 now it's my turn to put on my little sea lion outfit, wet suit, 559 00:30:21,732 --> 00:30:25,301 and go into the water and try to film this behavior from the water. 560 00:30:25,345 --> 00:30:26,868 So I didn't take this lightly. 561 00:30:26,912 --> 00:30:28,783 And the fins got closer and closer, 562 00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:30,350 and I remember, at one point, 563 00:30:30,393 --> 00:30:32,874 I, like, motioned to Mike and said, you know, 564 00:30:32,918 --> 00:30:34,615 "Look, behind us," and we turned around 565 00:30:34,658 --> 00:30:36,617 and the seals... 566 00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:38,377 The sea lions were all over the beach, like, looking at us. 567 00:30:38,401 --> 00:30:40,205 I could just see it in their eyes. They're like, 568 00:30:40,229 --> 00:30:41,669 "Get out of the water! Are you crazy? 569 00:30:41,709 --> 00:30:44,016 "Do you see what's coming?" 570 00:30:44,059 --> 00:30:47,106 Being on snorkel, being in the killing zone with a camera in your hands 571 00:30:47,149 --> 00:30:50,500 and there's a fin six feet tall coming through the water, 572 00:30:50,544 --> 00:30:53,547 and every primitive instinct you have is screaming, 573 00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:55,157 "Get out of the water!" 574 00:30:55,201 --> 00:30:57,159 While all that's going on in the back of my head, 575 00:30:57,203 --> 00:30:59,248 I'm hearing Mike and Paul saying, 576 00:30:59,292 --> 00:31:02,164 "Roll! Roll! Roll! Roll!" 577 00:31:02,208 --> 00:31:06,603 I noticed one of the killer whale fins turned straight at me. 578 00:31:06,647 --> 00:31:08,431 Just started moving in. 579 00:31:08,475 --> 00:31:11,391 And as I started to back up, I realized 580 00:31:11,434 --> 00:31:14,046 "There's no way I have time to get out of the water." 581 00:31:14,089 --> 00:31:15,612 I was now committed. 582 00:31:15,656 --> 00:31:17,658 So, all I could do was take a deep breath, 583 00:31:17,701 --> 00:31:19,834 go underwater and start rolling. 584 00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:22,489 Something started emerging in the viewfinder. 585 00:31:22,532 --> 00:31:25,187 It was a sort of a milky white color 586 00:31:25,231 --> 00:31:28,974 which turned into a killer whale head. 587 00:31:29,017 --> 00:31:30,540 And it came right at the camera, 588 00:31:30,584 --> 00:31:31,890 moved past the camera, 589 00:31:31,933 --> 00:31:34,370 and kept going past. Kept going past. 590 00:31:34,414 --> 00:31:37,156 Kept going past. It was like a freight train going by me. 591 00:31:37,199 --> 00:31:41,029 And then, I started hearing this "Boom! Boom! Boom!" sound. 592 00:31:41,073 --> 00:31:44,032 "What the heck is that?" And I realized it was my heart and lungs! 593 00:31:44,076 --> 00:31:45,947 I hadn't been breathing! 594 00:31:45,991 --> 00:31:48,151 So I had to leap out of the water and take a big breath. 595 00:31:57,393 --> 00:32:00,831 I worried about how it would be received. 596 00:32:00,875 --> 00:32:03,965 People saw that this was a straight, scientific, 597 00:32:04,009 --> 00:32:06,925 dispassionate eye trying to look at how the world works. 598 00:32:06,968 --> 00:32:10,493 And it caused a sensation in the unit. 599 00:32:10,537 --> 00:32:12,017 Everybody was talking about it. 600 00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:14,236 The moment had been shown. 601 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,675 We wanted to expose the audience to the truth about, what we felt, 602 00:32:18,719 --> 00:32:20,590 the truth about what we were seeing. 603 00:32:20,634 --> 00:32:26,640 The absolutely extraordinary beauty and terror of nature. 604 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,520 It is a complicated, dangerous business 605 00:32:37,564 --> 00:32:40,175 and Mike and Paul had worked at it. 606 00:32:40,219 --> 00:32:41,611 They set a high watermark 607 00:32:41,655 --> 00:32:44,223 which nobody else came near for a long time. 608 00:33:16,168 --> 00:33:18,431 People making natural history films 609 00:33:18,474 --> 00:33:21,042 can be given some kind of credit 610 00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:24,698 for opening up all kinds of windows on the natural world. 611 00:33:24,741 --> 00:33:27,962 And scientists who lead us most of the time, 612 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:29,790 just every now and again, 613 00:33:29,833 --> 00:33:33,402 can learn a bit from what the cameramen have discovered. 614 00:33:33,446 --> 00:33:37,102 And so, those pioneering sequences, 615 00:33:37,145 --> 00:33:40,844 I think, actually hold their place in the history of discovery. 616 00:33:40,888 --> 00:33:43,760 And they've raised a lot of questions. 617 00:33:43,804 --> 00:33:45,371 People think fish feel no pain. 618 00:33:45,414 --> 00:33:48,200 But, Mike, he knew full well that fish do feel, 619 00:33:48,243 --> 00:33:50,985 they have families, they have all kinds of connections 620 00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:53,335 that we never really give them credit for. 621 00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:58,036 And he just had that ability to get people to think outside of themselves. 622 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,082 Now, this is a perspective I've never seen. 623 00:34:03,171 --> 00:34:05,434 Well, welcome to our octopus gymnasium. 624 00:34:05,478 --> 00:34:07,741 Each one of these tanks was built specifically 625 00:34:07,784 --> 00:34:10,483 to show off one of the many talents that the octopus has. 626 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,315 That tube it's trying to pass through 627 00:34:16,358 --> 00:34:18,882 is one-tenth the size of its body. 628 00:34:36,161 --> 00:34:39,729 He would use every bit of gear he could find. 629 00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:42,210 Beyond scuba, he would use rebreathers 630 00:34:42,254 --> 00:34:44,212 because those would let him go deeper 631 00:34:44,256 --> 00:34:47,563 and allow him to stay down for longer lengths of time. 632 00:34:47,607 --> 00:34:49,826 He used full-face masks 633 00:34:49,870 --> 00:34:51,872 because those would let him talk... 634 00:34:51,915 --> 00:34:53,613 Chased away the sharks. 635 00:34:53,656 --> 00:34:55,832 Haven't been able to get near them since. 636 00:34:55,876 --> 00:34:57,182 Nonstop. 637 00:34:57,225 --> 00:34:58,748 So, I'm gonna go get rid of it. 638 00:34:58,792 --> 00:35:01,403 Anything that got him into the ocean 639 00:35:01,447 --> 00:35:04,537 where he could also share those experiences 640 00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:06,452 just thrilled him. 641 00:35:06,495 --> 00:35:07,931 There we go. 642 00:35:07,975 --> 00:35:09,615 I'm just gonna lay down right next to him. 643 00:35:23,947 --> 00:35:26,515 So, anyway, this is what we do. 644 00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:28,213 We sneak up on otters. 645 00:35:29,388 --> 00:35:31,433 The likes of which we can't see. 646 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:36,003 Peep holes, and look at that. 647 00:35:36,046 --> 00:35:38,745 Who would know that we're a floating iceberg? 648 00:36:03,987 --> 00:36:06,729 While Mike was thousands of miles away 649 00:36:06,773 --> 00:36:09,428 filming beneath the ice in Antarctica, 650 00:36:09,471 --> 00:36:13,432 I was at home on bed rest, pregnant with our first child. 651 00:36:15,695 --> 00:36:17,044 I jumped into a seal hole, 652 00:36:17,087 --> 00:36:18,567 pushing the ice away as I entered, 653 00:36:18,611 --> 00:36:20,221 and they handed me my camera. 654 00:36:20,265 --> 00:36:22,180 Suddenly everything was quiet, 655 00:36:22,223 --> 00:36:24,486 and I found myself looking at, 656 00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:28,577 easily, one of the most extraordinary scenes I have ever, ever experienced. 657 00:36:35,541 --> 00:36:38,108 This was a filmmaker's conundrum. 658 00:36:38,152 --> 00:36:40,850 It was an incredible opportunity. 659 00:36:41,938 --> 00:36:43,375 We needed the money, 660 00:36:43,418 --> 00:36:45,725 but it was a really delicate time for us. 661 00:37:14,971 --> 00:37:17,887 Everything above me on the land was roaring with wind. 662 00:37:17,931 --> 00:37:20,629 And down there, there was absolutely no sound 663 00:37:20,673 --> 00:37:23,545 except for the distant trills of Weddell seals. 664 00:37:37,342 --> 00:37:38,908 Max, give us a smile. 665 00:37:39,474 --> 00:37:40,736 Ooh! 666 00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:41,824 Hi. 667 00:37:44,131 --> 00:37:45,350 There you go. 668 00:37:46,351 --> 00:37:47,526 Zooming in. 669 00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:48,744 Good morning. 670 00:37:51,834 --> 00:37:55,273 If we couldn't be out in the world with animals, 671 00:37:55,316 --> 00:37:58,972 they seemed to find their way inside with us. 672 00:38:02,715 --> 00:38:03,890 Hi, Max. 673 00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:09,852 Hi, Max. Hi. 674 00:38:09,896 --> 00:38:11,724 God, this focus is terrible. 675 00:38:11,767 --> 00:38:13,378 Hi, Max. 676 00:38:13,421 --> 00:38:16,206 Max, you got a hummer. 677 00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:17,488 You got a hummer on your tummy. 678 00:38:17,512 --> 00:38:18,905 A hummer, Max! 679 00:38:18,948 --> 00:38:21,081 You don't even know it! 680 00:38:21,124 --> 00:38:23,039 Max, the hummingbird is growing up. 681 00:38:23,083 --> 00:38:25,564 Today, he's gonna fly away. 682 00:38:25,607 --> 00:38:29,089 In about 18 years, you'll do the same thing. 683 00:38:31,091 --> 00:38:34,312 It wasn't too long before we had a second child, 684 00:38:34,355 --> 00:38:35,965 and we realized, 685 00:38:36,009 --> 00:38:39,229 our life was fairly indistinguishable from work. 686 00:38:39,273 --> 00:38:43,364 And we would find ourselves looking at our kids like little animals. 687 00:38:43,408 --> 00:38:45,148 Little mammals. 688 00:38:45,192 --> 00:38:47,890 Max, why don't you stop and talk to us for a second? 689 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,380 There you go, small circles... 690 00:38:59,424 --> 00:39:00,816 You guys were there, 691 00:39:00,860 --> 00:39:03,515 the kids were there, we were there. 692 00:39:03,558 --> 00:39:06,169 It was cool. It was just this kind of unique atmosphere 693 00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:09,999 where exciting work kind of overarched everything. 694 00:39:10,043 --> 00:39:14,352 "Where were we going?" "Oh, we're off Australia. We're going to Indonesia." 695 00:39:14,395 --> 00:39:15,831 So you were either coming home 696 00:39:15,875 --> 00:39:19,444 or getting ready to go to some exotic locale. 697 00:39:19,487 --> 00:39:22,098 The only thing hard about it was just how long you'd be gone for. 698 00:39:22,142 --> 00:39:25,145 And sometimes, that was the biggest bummer. 699 00:39:25,188 --> 00:39:27,408 I don't remember him missing things. 700 00:39:27,452 --> 00:39:31,369 You know, every big part of my life that I remember growing up, 701 00:39:31,412 --> 00:39:33,434 I don't know whether it's because I kind of insert him 702 00:39:33,458 --> 00:39:35,155 or if it's because he actually was there. 703 00:39:35,198 --> 00:39:37,549 But it didn't really matter because it felt like he was. 704 00:39:37,592 --> 00:39:40,987 In the end, I think, the stories that he would tell, 705 00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:42,858 I gotta be honest, they're cool. 706 00:39:42,902 --> 00:39:44,469 The cool knickknacks he would bring back 707 00:39:44,512 --> 00:39:46,688 from all the different places he would have been. 708 00:39:48,255 --> 00:39:50,562 Those kind of made up for the times gone. 709 00:39:52,477 --> 00:39:54,317 If you ever really want to get away from it all 710 00:39:54,348 --> 00:39:56,481 and see something that you have never seen, 711 00:39:56,524 --> 00:39:59,745 and have an excellent chance of seeing something no one has ever seen, 712 00:39:59,788 --> 00:40:01,442 get in a sub. 713 00:40:01,486 --> 00:40:04,445 The first time I went down in a sub was actually in Hawaii. 714 00:40:04,489 --> 00:40:06,447 I was in the Star boat, you know? 715 00:40:06,491 --> 00:40:08,536 - Oh, I do. I do. Yes, I do. - Yeah, the Bocalii. 716 00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:11,452 As you well know, you go down in this acrylic sphere 717 00:40:11,496 --> 00:40:12,888 and suddenly it goes away. 718 00:40:12,932 --> 00:40:14,542 I know, you're in the water. 719 00:40:14,586 --> 00:40:16,386 -You're in the water! But you're dry! -Not wet. 720 00:40:18,328 --> 00:40:20,722 I love this! 721 00:40:20,766 --> 00:40:26,467 Mike liked the deep because it literally was a final frontier opportunity 722 00:40:26,511 --> 00:40:30,689 short of becoming an astronaut and going into space. 723 00:40:30,732 --> 00:40:33,518 He became a pilot of a number of different subs. 724 00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:37,347 And, you know, every time he got ready to go down, 725 00:40:37,391 --> 00:40:38,751 you could see a twinkle in his eye. 726 00:40:38,784 --> 00:40:41,569 He just absolutely adored that. 727 00:40:41,613 --> 00:40:44,659 It changed me. "Wow! Here's a place." 728 00:40:44,703 --> 00:40:46,444 It's another planet. 729 00:40:46,487 --> 00:40:48,750 They're alien animals, only this is on Earth. 730 00:40:48,794 --> 00:40:51,013 It's our planet, it's not an alien place. 731 00:40:51,057 --> 00:40:53,320 We're the aliens, if anything is. 732 00:40:53,363 --> 00:40:56,283 Exactly! There's a lot more of them than us, and they've been there longer. 733 00:41:01,067 --> 00:41:03,112 What I'm seeing is... 734 00:41:03,983 --> 00:41:06,638 ink blackness. 735 00:41:06,681 --> 00:41:09,815 Why do people like Mike and myself 736 00:41:09,858 --> 00:41:13,383 want to get into little experimental vehicles 737 00:41:13,427 --> 00:41:18,650 and go down into the cold, dark depths by ourselves? 738 00:41:18,693 --> 00:41:21,957 But I'm not sure what I'm gonna run into. 739 00:41:26,832 --> 00:41:28,137 It's pretty simple. 740 00:41:28,181 --> 00:41:29,878 It's the same thing that has driven 741 00:41:29,922 --> 00:41:32,141 human exploration from the get-go. 742 00:41:33,969 --> 00:41:35,710 'Cause we wanna see what's there. 743 00:41:45,633 --> 00:41:48,854 Mike was extremely precise 744 00:41:48,897 --> 00:41:51,900 in life, and especially in his filmmaking. 745 00:41:51,944 --> 00:41:55,121 Once he had made a decision, that was the decision. 746 00:41:55,164 --> 00:41:57,384 And lightning could have hit you, 747 00:41:57,427 --> 00:42:00,256 and you could have been warning Mike about the lightning 748 00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:03,129 and he would have proceeded along without you and got the shot. 749 00:42:03,172 --> 00:42:05,305 Some people would say stubborn. 750 00:42:05,348 --> 00:42:09,091 The most stubborn person. When he got his mind on something, 751 00:42:09,135 --> 00:42:11,006 it was... 752 00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:13,487 Stubborn. 753 00:42:13,531 --> 00:42:15,750 It was our major issue, 754 00:42:15,794 --> 00:42:18,057 because he saw the world one way, 755 00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:20,320 and that's the way the world was. 756 00:42:20,363 --> 00:42:22,496 And it was really difficult to convince him 757 00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:24,367 there was another way of seeing things. 758 00:42:24,411 --> 00:42:26,587 He would say, "No, it's black and white." 759 00:42:26,631 --> 00:42:29,329 And I'd say, "No, there are all kinds of shades of gray, 760 00:42:29,372 --> 00:42:31,418 "and that's what makes it interesting." 761 00:42:31,461 --> 00:42:34,900 He wouldn't recognize that his take 762 00:42:34,943 --> 00:42:37,598 was just one take of many on the world. 763 00:42:37,642 --> 00:42:39,426 He was in the world. 764 00:42:39,469 --> 00:42:42,951 And so, how he saw it is how it was. 765 00:42:42,995 --> 00:42:45,693 He and I could disagree about a production, 766 00:42:45,737 --> 00:42:50,611 but if he wanted to do it, there was no convincing him otherwise. 767 00:42:50,655 --> 00:42:53,745 He could drive me nuts. 768 00:42:53,788 --> 00:42:55,200 One of the things I think he got wrong, 769 00:42:55,224 --> 00:42:56,661 and I said this to him, 770 00:42:56,704 --> 00:42:59,098 he was too passionate when he got cross. 771 00:42:59,141 --> 00:43:02,405 You know, he wasn't a politician, Mike. 772 00:43:02,449 --> 00:43:05,060 This just isn't gonna work. I can't see anything. 773 00:43:05,104 --> 00:43:07,497 To win the war, you don't have to win every battle. 774 00:43:07,541 --> 00:43:09,630 But Mike had to win every battle. 775 00:43:09,674 --> 00:43:12,502 Mike sometimes struggled with broadcasters 776 00:43:12,546 --> 00:43:17,595 because he really wasn't willing to compromise his standards or integrity. 777 00:43:17,638 --> 00:43:19,161 I definitely remember this one time, 778 00:43:19,205 --> 00:43:21,511 he slammed the phone down, 779 00:43:21,555 --> 00:43:25,254 threw it across the room, and I said, "Well, you just burned that bridge." 780 00:43:25,298 --> 00:43:30,172 One of the problems in doing deep dives in filming 781 00:43:30,216 --> 00:43:32,392 is that these submersibles that we're using 782 00:43:32,435 --> 00:43:34,960 were built for research, not filmmaking. 783 00:43:36,004 --> 00:43:38,267 They've had our two best lights, 784 00:43:38,311 --> 00:43:39,834 the HMIs, 785 00:43:39,878 --> 00:43:42,750 way up on the top next to a big xenon spotlight. 786 00:43:42,794 --> 00:43:44,404 And that works great for science. 787 00:43:44,447 --> 00:43:45,840 Gives you nice, flat light, 788 00:43:45,884 --> 00:43:47,886 lot of information in the frame. 789 00:43:47,929 --> 00:43:49,888 But that's not what we're interested in. 790 00:43:49,931 --> 00:43:53,108 We wanna get shadows and detail and darks, and lights. 791 00:43:53,152 --> 00:43:56,938 I had these guys build big booms 792 00:43:56,982 --> 00:44:00,855 that I could spread out and put the light way away from the camera. 793 00:44:00,899 --> 00:44:04,119 I think Mike was always actually rather frustrated by his gear. 794 00:44:04,163 --> 00:44:06,469 It was never good enough. 795 00:44:06,513 --> 00:44:08,360 Apart from the fact that he used to lose quite a lot of it quite often. 796 00:44:08,384 --> 00:44:10,125 When we were filming the Abyss projects, 797 00:44:10,169 --> 00:44:12,911 he was rechristened as Mike Debris 798 00:44:12,954 --> 00:44:16,566 because he had an ability to break cameras like nobody else. 799 00:44:16,610 --> 00:44:18,394 He was constantly complaining to me, 800 00:44:18,438 --> 00:44:21,615 "I want the lights out here. I want the camera out here." 801 00:44:21,659 --> 00:44:24,357 And always fighting with the guys that ran the submersible 802 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,422 saying, "Well, if you do that, we'd probably get stuck on the bottom." 803 00:44:26,446 --> 00:44:28,622 He says, "I don't care, we need to get a better shot." 804 00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:31,973 I don't think he ever, ever said, "I'm happy with my gear." 805 00:44:32,017 --> 00:44:34,019 Not in my experience, ever. 806 00:44:34,062 --> 00:44:36,412 You know, you were always aware 807 00:44:36,456 --> 00:44:39,851 that he was thinking, "Oh, how can we improve this with what we've got?" 808 00:44:39,894 --> 00:44:42,636 Which, for some people, could be stubborn, 809 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,118 but I think I always felt it was him trying to be creative. 810 00:44:46,161 --> 00:44:49,948 I think Mike had a very clear vision of what Mike wanted to do. 811 00:44:49,991 --> 00:44:51,819 I think we all saw that. 812 00:44:51,863 --> 00:44:55,083 But with that came a wonderful generosity of spirit, 813 00:44:55,127 --> 00:44:58,608 a wonderful enabling of people. 814 00:44:58,652 --> 00:45:02,917 It was funny, for a man with enormous presence, and enormous energy, 815 00:45:02,961 --> 00:45:04,876 he actually had rather a small ego. 816 00:45:26,462 --> 00:45:29,639 The deep diving definitely worried me, 817 00:45:29,683 --> 00:45:33,382 but Mike was so excited about it, 818 00:45:33,426 --> 00:45:37,430 to ask him not to would be like asking him not to breathe. 819 00:45:42,478 --> 00:45:45,612 MaclNNIS: When you've been at sea for months at a time, 820 00:45:45,655 --> 00:45:49,268 and you come off the ship and you come back into the terrestrial world 821 00:45:49,311 --> 00:45:50,748 in the world of your family, 822 00:45:50,791 --> 00:45:53,011 and those responsibilities, 823 00:45:53,054 --> 00:45:56,536 it's a serious decompression. 824 00:45:56,579 --> 00:45:58,407 Many nights I've spent growing up 825 00:45:58,451 --> 00:46:00,366 when he was away on those trips. 826 00:46:00,409 --> 00:46:03,543 I was probably thinking about what he was doing, like, imagining 827 00:46:03,586 --> 00:46:07,329 what kind of weird fish he was looking at 2,000 feet under the ocean. 828 00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:10,550 So I think there was a lot of wonder. 829 00:46:10,593 --> 00:46:12,552 MaclNNIS: It's like combat. 830 00:46:12,595 --> 00:46:14,597 If you weren't there, it's very hard to describe, 831 00:46:14,641 --> 00:46:16,991 so a lot of folks come off the ship, 832 00:46:17,035 --> 00:46:22,605 and they don't say very much about the hardships and the exhaustion, 833 00:46:22,649 --> 00:46:26,348 and the risks and the close calls. 834 00:46:26,392 --> 00:46:30,091 Because that stays on the ship. 835 00:46:30,135 --> 00:46:31,832 I remember Mike telling me, he said, 836 00:46:31,876 --> 00:46:35,140 "I don't know that I'm feeling like diving this deep 837 00:46:35,183 --> 00:46:37,490 "or taking these kinds of risks anymore." 838 00:46:37,533 --> 00:46:40,319 You can press your luck only so long before something's gonna happen 839 00:46:40,362 --> 00:46:43,583 because he had kids and he had a family to worry about. 840 00:46:43,626 --> 00:46:47,674 I saw him as this very brave, 841 00:46:47,717 --> 00:46:50,851 adventurous, kind of invincible person that, I think, 842 00:46:50,895 --> 00:46:53,593 definitely didn't occur to me that anything would go wrong. 843 00:47:07,912 --> 00:47:13,961 Why or how have we allowed it to go so long and know so little about, 844 00:47:14,005 --> 00:47:16,311 you know, depths beyond scuba? 845 00:47:16,355 --> 00:47:18,879 And... why do I care? 846 00:47:18,923 --> 00:47:21,664 Why does anybody care what happens 847 00:47:21,708 --> 00:47:24,754 way the hell down there in the bottom of the ocean in the mud? 848 00:47:24,798 --> 00:47:28,497 To me, it's one of the great mysteries of the sea, 849 00:47:28,541 --> 00:47:31,413 why we have so neglected the ocean. 850 00:47:31,457 --> 00:47:35,243 Imagine if you just knew about the skin of our own bodies. 851 00:47:35,287 --> 00:47:40,031 We need to care about the stuff that goes on inside the ocean. 852 00:47:40,074 --> 00:47:46,080 It's taken us a long time just to even begin to ask the right questions. 853 00:47:46,124 --> 00:47:49,388 The deep ocean in terms of volume for life on our planet 854 00:47:49,431 --> 00:47:52,913 is 90% of the actual space in which animals live. 855 00:47:52,957 --> 00:47:55,916 Five percent of that has ever been explored. 856 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,136 There's so much more to discover. 857 00:47:58,179 --> 00:48:00,268 We'll never discover a new species on Mars. 858 00:48:00,312 --> 00:48:03,706 Every single dive you do in a deep ocean submersible, 859 00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:06,927 you have a very high chance of seeing or discovering a new species. 860 00:48:06,971 --> 00:48:09,364 It's crazy. 861 00:48:09,408 --> 00:48:12,150 And when you look at the vast variety of creatures that you see, 862 00:48:12,193 --> 00:48:14,761 utterly unlike anything you've seen before, 863 00:48:14,804 --> 00:48:17,111 well, if that doesn't blow your mind, 864 00:48:17,155 --> 00:48:20,854 you have an unblowable mind. 865 00:48:20,898 --> 00:48:23,248 Every time you find a hydrothermal vent 866 00:48:23,291 --> 00:48:24,684 in a different part of the ocean, 867 00:48:24,727 --> 00:48:26,947 you'll find a different set of life. 868 00:48:26,991 --> 00:48:31,082 So why is it that we are spending so much money 869 00:48:31,125 --> 00:48:33,345 trying to find the meaning of life on a rock 870 00:48:33,388 --> 00:48:34,999 spinning around the universe 871 00:48:35,042 --> 00:48:39,220 rather than actually looking at what's in the ocean, 872 00:48:39,264 --> 00:48:42,484 which is really the lifeblood of this planet? 873 00:48:44,660 --> 00:48:47,098 I think we're drawn up towards space 874 00:48:47,141 --> 00:48:50,840 because to dive deep into that abyss is scary. 875 00:48:50,884 --> 00:48:53,191 It's dark, it's mysterious, 876 00:48:53,234 --> 00:48:57,543 and in many ways, it's analogous to our own inability 877 00:48:57,586 --> 00:49:00,111 to be introspective. 878 00:49:00,154 --> 00:49:05,725 We don't really like to explore our own darkness. 879 00:49:05,768 --> 00:49:09,076 I think you could say that going into the deep ocean 880 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,557 is more of a spiritual interior journey, 881 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,516 and going out into the universe is more of a dualism 882 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,171 between the feminine and masculine spirit. 883 00:49:17,215 --> 00:49:19,565 You know, we go and we conquer space. 884 00:49:19,608 --> 00:49:21,567 You don't conquer the ocean. 885 00:49:21,610 --> 00:49:24,526 You understand the ocean, you become intimate with the ocean, 886 00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:26,876 you let it teach you. 887 00:50:28,764 --> 00:50:33,030 The mid-ocean ridge is a huge mountain range 40,000 miles long 888 00:50:33,073 --> 00:50:35,119 snaking around the entire globe. 889 00:50:35,162 --> 00:50:37,730 And they're big mountains, thousands of feet tall, some of which 890 00:50:37,773 --> 00:50:40,341 are tens of thousands of feet and bust through the surface 891 00:50:40,385 --> 00:50:42,387 creating islands like Hawaii. 892 00:50:42,430 --> 00:50:46,434 In fact, this whole area is like a Yellowstone National Park 893 00:50:46,478 --> 00:50:47,914 with all of the trimmings. 894 00:50:47,957 --> 00:50:50,395 And all along the sides of these chimneys 895 00:50:50,438 --> 00:50:53,572 is shimmering with heat and loaded with life. 896 00:50:53,615 --> 00:50:55,269 You've got shrimp, fish, lobsters, 897 00:50:55,313 --> 00:50:58,098 crab, clams and swarms of amphipods. 898 00:50:58,142 --> 00:51:03,582 This whole ecosystem wasn't even known about until 33 years ago. 899 00:51:03,625 --> 00:51:06,628 And it completely threw science on its head. 900 00:51:06,672 --> 00:51:09,370 It made scientists rethink 901 00:51:09,414 --> 00:51:12,199 where life on Earth might have actually begun. 902 00:51:12,243 --> 00:51:14,462 And before the discovery of these vents, 903 00:51:14,506 --> 00:51:16,638 all life on Earth, the key to life on Earth 904 00:51:16,682 --> 00:51:18,858 was believed to be the sun and photosynthesis, 905 00:51:18,901 --> 00:51:22,470 but down there, there is no sun, there is no photosynthesis. 906 00:51:22,514 --> 00:51:25,560 It's chemosynthetic environment down there driving it, 907 00:51:25,604 --> 00:51:28,128 and it's also ephemeral. 908 00:51:28,172 --> 00:51:31,958 For him, seeing those volcanic processes firsthand 909 00:51:32,001 --> 00:51:36,919 was to witness one of our lifetime's great scientific discoveries 910 00:51:36,963 --> 00:51:40,184 and to see part of Earth's very core. 911 00:51:40,227 --> 00:51:44,101 And for me, looking back now at his excitement, 912 00:51:44,144 --> 00:51:47,321 that it was all ephemeral, is even more poignant. 913 00:52:12,346 --> 00:52:15,175 Tonight, an offshore oil rig is in flames 914 00:52:15,219 --> 00:52:17,046 in the Gulf of Mexico, 915 00:52:17,090 --> 00:52:20,528 and rescue teams are desperately searching for survivors. 916 00:52:20,572 --> 00:52:22,835 When I heard on April 20th, 917 00:52:22,878 --> 00:52:27,492 that an oil rig had exploded in the Gulf of Mexico and was on fire, 918 00:52:27,535 --> 00:52:29,755 it got my attention. I knew straightaway about this. 919 00:52:29,798 --> 00:52:31,800 I was there. I was listening to the news. 920 00:52:31,844 --> 00:52:33,628 Then two days later, it sunk, 921 00:52:33,672 --> 00:52:36,327 dragging a drill stem down with it. 922 00:52:36,370 --> 00:52:40,505 It is nearly a mile deep and more than 20 miles long. 923 00:52:40,548 --> 00:52:42,550 Deep sea life is threatened by the oil 924 00:52:42,594 --> 00:52:46,554 that scientists say is not going away any time soon. 925 00:52:46,598 --> 00:52:49,340 I grew up near here. I grew up in Mobile. 926 00:52:49,383 --> 00:52:53,779 And I spent my, some might say, misguided youth 927 00:52:53,822 --> 00:52:57,478 running around these bayous going into the Mobile delta, 928 00:52:57,522 --> 00:52:59,828 spending a lot of time in Mobile Bay 929 00:52:59,872 --> 00:53:04,006 fishing, swimming, learning to scuba dive in the Gulf of Mexico. 930 00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:05,356 This is home for me. 931 00:53:05,399 --> 00:53:07,314 The spill is spreading, 932 00:53:07,358 --> 00:53:11,100 and has grown considerably over the past two days. 933 00:53:11,144 --> 00:53:14,800 Mike was desperate to get down to the Gulf. 934 00:53:14,843 --> 00:53:18,195 He recognized that the spill was growing 935 00:53:18,238 --> 00:53:21,067 into one of our country's worst environmental disasters, 936 00:53:21,110 --> 00:53:24,244 and he really wanted to tell the story. 937 00:53:24,288 --> 00:53:27,073 But he couldn't find anybody willing to fund it. 938 00:53:27,116 --> 00:53:30,642 So finally, he just grabbed his camera and went. 939 00:53:30,685 --> 00:53:32,121 When we went down to the Gulf, 940 00:53:32,165 --> 00:53:35,037 Mike, and Max and I 941 00:53:35,081 --> 00:53:37,605 were basically scouting, 942 00:53:37,649 --> 00:53:40,042 but capturing some footage while we were there. 943 00:53:40,086 --> 00:53:43,655 It was hard for me 'cause I wasn't ready for such a shift 944 00:53:43,698 --> 00:53:46,658 going from my dad being a funny guy, 945 00:53:46,701 --> 00:53:49,226 who was pretty easygoing about most things, to going... 946 00:53:49,269 --> 00:53:51,967 Come on, you need to wake up. We're gonna do it, okay? 947 00:53:52,011 --> 00:53:54,274 You know, full-on rigid mode. 948 00:53:54,318 --> 00:53:56,320 "We gotta get this shot by this time 949 00:53:56,363 --> 00:53:58,365 "or else we're totally off schedule." 950 00:53:58,409 --> 00:54:00,280 Every time I talked to Mike, 951 00:54:00,324 --> 00:54:03,805 he was so frustrated because he was denied access 952 00:54:03,849 --> 00:54:06,852 and was having such a hard time getting the story. 953 00:54:06,895 --> 00:54:08,767 This was not an easy task. 954 00:54:08,810 --> 00:54:12,466 You know, we had to use everything we could think of 955 00:54:12,510 --> 00:54:14,990 to get into these areas we were not allowed. 956 00:54:15,034 --> 00:54:20,039 One morning, we decided to head into the PX store owned by BP 957 00:54:20,082 --> 00:54:22,259 'cause we need rubber boots. 958 00:54:22,302 --> 00:54:25,262 So we drive in there like we own the place, 959 00:54:25,305 --> 00:54:27,307 and they thought we were working for 'em, 960 00:54:27,351 --> 00:54:31,137 and they just handed us as many rubber boots as we needed. 961 00:54:31,180 --> 00:54:33,357 The reason that I wanted to come here 962 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,491 is because I wanted to find out from a scientific point of view, 963 00:54:37,535 --> 00:54:41,408 what they're finding in these waters, 964 00:54:41,452 --> 00:54:43,323 in the estuaries, 965 00:54:43,367 --> 00:54:45,238 in the bays, 966 00:54:45,282 --> 00:54:47,196 and in the Gulf of Mexico. 967 00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:49,044 From a scientific point of view, what is this oil doing? 968 00:54:49,068 --> 00:54:51,244 What is this dispersant doing? 969 00:54:51,288 --> 00:54:56,162 And what do you think might happen three or four years from now? 970 00:54:56,205 --> 00:55:01,123 So we're about, what, 25 miles southeast of Mobile, 971 00:55:01,167 --> 00:55:06,520 and we just started coming out and kind of getting a little bit of sheen on the surface. 972 00:55:06,564 --> 00:55:08,479 Then the next thing that happens is 973 00:55:08,522 --> 00:55:11,569 we started seeing what looked like possibly were some bait fish, 974 00:55:11,612 --> 00:55:13,353 something along those lines. 975 00:55:13,397 --> 00:55:14,920 Then we smelled it. 976 00:55:14,963 --> 00:55:17,096 We slowed down. There was a sheen on the water. 977 00:55:17,139 --> 00:55:20,012 Then we got out here, and there's just this massive slick 978 00:55:20,055 --> 00:55:22,493 after slick after slick in rows. 979 00:55:36,681 --> 00:55:38,465 What were the real consequences 980 00:55:38,509 --> 00:55:40,337 for the people who were affected? 981 00:55:41,425 --> 00:55:43,122 It's changed their lives, 982 00:55:43,165 --> 00:55:47,387 but the creatures who cannot speak for themselves, 983 00:55:47,431 --> 00:55:51,739 they're the ones who have to bear the brunt of the impact. 984 00:55:51,783 --> 00:55:54,481 I've spent a lot of time in the water with whale sharks, 985 00:55:54,525 --> 00:55:57,005 and I see them often on the surface, 986 00:55:57,049 --> 00:55:59,138 mouths open, literally skimming, 987 00:55:59,181 --> 00:56:02,054 and they were going into areas of oil. 988 00:56:02,097 --> 00:56:04,273 I mean. could they possibly survive that? 989 00:56:04,317 --> 00:56:06,667 If this stuff was ingested, 990 00:56:06,711 --> 00:56:10,149 it would probably take the matter of seconds to coat the gills, 991 00:56:10,192 --> 00:56:13,065 and they're gonna basically succumb and sink to bottom. 992 00:56:13,108 --> 00:56:15,459 The chemical dispersants used early in the spill 993 00:56:15,502 --> 00:56:19,898 were like carpet bombing the Gulf with a toxic stew of chemicals, oil, and gas. 994 00:56:26,208 --> 00:56:29,342 The job of dispersants is to break apart oil. 995 00:56:29,386 --> 00:56:31,431 It breaks it apart into little droplets. 996 00:56:31,475 --> 00:56:32,998 It's a detergent, in a way. 997 00:56:33,041 --> 00:56:35,304 A very powerful kind of detergent 998 00:56:35,348 --> 00:56:38,177 that you shake it up and, as waves would do, 999 00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:41,180 you get the little droplets of oil throughout the whole water column. 1000 00:56:41,223 --> 00:56:45,314 Which is exactly what happened in the Gulf of Mexico. 1001 00:56:45,358 --> 00:56:48,796 Our goal, our mission is to document photographically 1002 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,234 exactly what's happening to the corals 1003 00:56:52,278 --> 00:56:54,106 about a mile below us right now, 1004 00:56:54,149 --> 00:56:56,891 and see if it's somehow related 1005 00:56:56,935 --> 00:57:01,592 to the Deepwater Horizon disaster in the Macondo oil. 1006 00:57:01,635 --> 00:57:06,292 Finally, with the help of Dr. Chuck Fisher from Penn State University, 1007 00:57:06,335 --> 00:57:09,338 we were able to get a grant from the National Science Foundation 1008 00:57:09,382 --> 00:57:11,645 to follow the science of that spill. 1009 00:57:11,689 --> 00:57:13,821 I have never seen anything like this 1010 00:57:13,865 --> 00:57:15,649 in any other ecosystem. 1011 00:57:15,693 --> 00:57:20,045 We dove at 30 different sites all over the Gulf. 1012 00:57:20,088 --> 00:57:24,658 We've never seen a coral community that was dying. 1013 00:57:24,702 --> 00:57:27,269 And when you have animals that live as long as these do, 1014 00:57:27,313 --> 00:57:30,272 a whole field of dying corals is an alarm bell. 1015 00:57:30,316 --> 00:57:32,492 That's just something you don't see 1016 00:57:32,536 --> 00:57:34,668 unless something is killing them. 1017 00:57:34,712 --> 00:57:37,628 This was the thing that really kind of got to my heart, 1018 00:57:37,671 --> 00:57:40,282 and made me really sad was that these sea fans, 1019 00:57:40,326 --> 00:57:42,371 these guys are 500 years old. 1020 00:57:42,415 --> 00:57:45,940 The brittle stars that normally are bright red and proud, 1021 00:57:45,984 --> 00:57:50,162 and wrapped tightly around these gorgonian corals that we were seeing, 1022 00:57:50,205 --> 00:57:52,294 limp and pink, 1023 00:57:52,338 --> 00:57:53,861 and not doing well. 1024 00:57:53,905 --> 00:57:55,863 And these dead and dying corals were covered 1025 00:57:55,907 --> 00:57:59,606 in some sort of brown material that we couldn't quite identify. 1026 00:57:59,650 --> 00:58:02,522 We have now identified it, and it was indeed oil. 1027 00:58:02,566 --> 00:58:04,393 And we're trying to fingerprint it 1028 00:58:04,437 --> 00:58:06,178 to find out where that oil came from. 1029 00:58:06,221 --> 00:58:07,571 But I think we all know. 1030 00:58:07,614 --> 00:58:10,922 It was pretty darn clear to everyone on that boat 1031 00:58:10,965 --> 00:58:12,967 that there was a serious impact 1032 00:58:13,011 --> 00:58:15,404 that this oil and dispersant had had 1033 00:58:15,448 --> 00:58:19,713 on the Deepwater coral communities in the Gulf of Mexico. 1034 00:58:19,757 --> 00:58:22,281 We went back to the Gulf as a family 1035 00:58:22,324 --> 00:58:24,413 and it had its moments. 1036 00:58:24,457 --> 00:58:28,417 Max, come in here and zoom in, 1037 00:58:28,461 --> 00:58:31,899 reframe it, then we're gonna pick up on that. 1038 00:58:31,943 --> 00:58:34,946 You've worked for 45 minutes and you've burned out. 1039 00:58:34,989 --> 00:58:36,949 - I know. Unbelievable. - Yeah, you guys are lazy. 1040 00:58:36,991 --> 00:58:39,167 - You're right. - Everything's rolling. 1041 00:58:39,211 --> 00:58:41,319 I'm done. I'm done. - long time. If you're in the back row, 1042 00:58:41,343 --> 00:58:43,823 - don't sigh, and rolling your eyes. - Go, Dad. Please, just go. 1043 00:58:45,826 --> 00:58:47,436 It's been almost two years 1044 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,874 since the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded 1045 00:58:49,917 --> 00:58:53,181 in the Gulf of Mexico some 60 miles from here. 1046 00:58:53,225 --> 00:58:55,532 And in that time, 1047 00:58:55,575 --> 00:59:00,580 it may have left the headlines of the news, but we're still doing it. 1048 00:59:00,624 --> 00:59:03,801 We're still drilling in Deepwater, in the Gulf of Mexico 1049 00:59:03,844 --> 00:59:06,238 as well as many other places in the world, 1050 00:59:06,281 --> 00:59:09,023 and issues are still coming up. 1051 00:59:09,067 --> 00:59:13,375 BP unleashed a huge experiment 1052 00:59:13,419 --> 00:59:15,987 on the public and on the ecosystem 1053 00:59:16,030 --> 00:59:18,946 by dumping probably what will amount 1054 00:59:18,990 --> 00:59:23,255 to over two million gallons of dispersants in our ocean. 1055 00:59:23,298 --> 00:59:25,276 You know, when people would ask me about dispersants, 1056 00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:28,565 my answer was always we just don't know enough to be doing this 1057 00:59:28,608 --> 00:59:30,107 because we don't have any background information 1058 00:59:30,131 --> 00:59:31,785 on the effects of these dispersants. 1059 00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:35,006 The only tested it on a zebra danio, 1060 00:59:35,049 --> 00:59:36,747 and a freshwater shrimp. 1061 00:59:36,790 --> 00:59:38,749 And that was the only life they tested it on. 1062 00:59:38,792 --> 00:59:41,926 And they didn't test it in conjunction with oil. 1063 00:59:41,969 --> 00:59:45,103 So let's see what happens 1064 00:59:45,146 --> 00:59:51,631 when we add Corexit 9500, the dispersant of choice in the Gulf spill, 1065 00:59:52,937 --> 00:59:54,503 into one of these beakers. 1066 00:59:54,547 --> 00:59:57,681 This is a qualitative experiment. 1067 00:59:57,724 --> 01:00:00,509 Nevertheless, here we go. 1068 01:00:02,947 --> 01:00:04,339 That should be enough. 1069 01:00:08,343 --> 01:00:09,344 Wow. 1070 01:00:10,389 --> 01:00:11,999 That's not taking very long. 1071 01:00:16,221 --> 01:00:18,266 We'll just let that spin for a while. 1072 01:00:24,708 --> 01:00:26,579 Wow. 1073 01:00:26,623 --> 01:00:33,891 This, to me, is just a completely different material now. 1074 01:00:33,934 --> 01:00:37,242 Seems to me that by not dispersing the oil, 1075 01:00:37,285 --> 01:00:39,810 and allowing it to concentrate on the surface, 1076 01:00:39,853 --> 01:00:42,116 you're dealing with a layer of oil 1077 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,031 that is at least accessible. 1078 01:00:44,075 --> 01:00:46,425 You can get to this, you can scrape it, 1079 01:00:46,468 --> 01:00:48,296 you can skim it, you can burn it, 1080 01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:51,256 you can do something with it because there it is. 1081 01:00:51,299 --> 01:00:53,867 It's concentrated on the surface. 1082 01:00:53,911 --> 01:00:56,522 You disperse it, you get this. 1083 01:00:56,565 --> 01:01:00,047 How in the hell can you clean that up? 1084 01:01:00,091 --> 01:01:03,703 How is it possible that BP was allowed 1085 01:01:03,747 --> 01:01:07,707 by the US government to release two million gallons 1086 01:01:07,751 --> 01:01:11,493 of a known toxin to be dumped into the Gulf of Mexico? 1087 01:01:11,537 --> 01:01:16,020 In this country, I just go back to "The spiller is in charge." 1088 01:01:16,063 --> 01:01:19,197 Basically, the industry has looked for 1089 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:23,375 what would be the cheapest way to do a spill response. 1090 01:01:23,418 --> 01:01:27,509 According to the BP scientists, 1091 01:01:27,553 --> 01:01:32,645 just because the dispersants pushed the oil out of sight, out of mind, 1092 01:01:32,689 --> 01:01:35,996 they're declaring dispersants are a success story, 1093 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,043 and that this is not an alternative method of treatment now, 1094 01:01:39,086 --> 01:01:42,699 this is the method of treatment for future oil spills. 1095 01:01:44,831 --> 01:01:46,920 This is a stream of consciousness, 1096 01:01:46,964 --> 01:01:51,098 and I just can't stop and start over. 1097 01:01:51,142 --> 01:01:54,972 This was the footage I couldn't stop watching in the edit room. 1098 01:01:55,015 --> 01:02:00,238 Because Mike had so obviously become a different guy. 1099 01:02:00,281 --> 01:02:05,330 And I realized his entire life and career had led him here. 1100 01:02:05,373 --> 01:02:06,766 Tell me what's happened. 1101 01:02:06,810 --> 01:02:09,203 What was it like before? What is it like now? 1102 01:02:09,247 --> 01:02:11,031 What will it be like in three years? 1103 01:02:11,075 --> 01:02:13,338 Those were the questions that I wanted answered. 1104 01:02:13,381 --> 01:02:15,035 And we weren't getting those answers. 1105 01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:18,256 So I thought, "Well, they don't want to answer 1106 01:02:18,299 --> 01:02:22,434 "or they're legally bound not to answer." 1107 01:02:22,477 --> 01:02:25,263 And the more scientists that we spoke with, 1108 01:02:25,306 --> 01:02:26,830 the more I started feeling, 1109 01:02:26,873 --> 01:02:28,677 well, maybe that's not actually what's going on. 1110 01:02:28,701 --> 01:02:31,356 I started feeling, what's going on 1111 01:02:31,399 --> 01:02:35,882 is these people really don't know what's going on. 1112 01:02:35,926 --> 01:02:38,493 When we got into the details 1113 01:02:38,537 --> 01:02:41,670 of the specific species that were impacted, 1114 01:02:41,714 --> 01:02:43,455 we didn't even know their names. 1115 01:02:43,498 --> 01:02:46,632 We didn't have any previous data 1116 01:02:46,675 --> 01:02:49,417 on their life history, on their associates, 1117 01:02:49,461 --> 01:02:51,855 on their interaction with other fauna. 1118 01:02:51,898 --> 01:02:55,119 So we were in some ways working in the dark. 1119 01:02:55,162 --> 01:02:56,860 People often ask me, 1120 01:02:56,903 --> 01:02:59,819 what are the broader effects of this spill 1121 01:02:59,863 --> 01:03:02,822 on other animals associated with the corals. 1122 01:03:02,866 --> 01:03:04,868 We don't know what those animals are. 1123 01:03:04,911 --> 01:03:06,652 And you're just looking at, you know, 1124 01:03:06,695 --> 01:03:08,610 the instant data set that you have right now. 1125 01:03:08,654 --> 01:03:10,525 You have no idea what it was a week ago, 1126 01:03:10,569 --> 01:03:12,832 a month ago, a year ago, ten years ago. 1127 01:03:12,876 --> 01:03:15,400 And we know very well that it takes around two decades 1128 01:03:15,443 --> 01:03:18,751 to get enough background data to see natural change. 1129 01:03:18,795 --> 01:03:21,034 We don't have anything close to that in the Gulf of Mexico, 1130 01:03:21,058 --> 01:03:23,234 or most other places in the ocean. 1131 01:03:23,277 --> 01:03:25,845 And it seems what is happening 1132 01:03:25,889 --> 01:03:29,283 is that the scientific community in the Gulf of Mexico 1133 01:03:29,327 --> 01:03:31,111 is seriously underfunded, 1134 01:03:32,983 --> 01:03:34,811 and I think "underfunded..." 1135 01:03:34,854 --> 01:03:36,725 How much money do you need? 1136 01:03:36,769 --> 01:03:39,990 And I get figures like, "Well, we just got a $100,000 grant, 1137 01:03:40,033 --> 01:03:42,403 "and we're really happy about that. Next summer we're going out." 1138 01:03:42,427 --> 01:03:45,604 I'm thinking $100,000, okay, that's a lot of money. 1139 01:03:45,647 --> 01:03:49,347 But compared to the insane amounts of money 1140 01:03:49,390 --> 01:03:52,393 that corporations like oil companies 1141 01:03:52,437 --> 01:03:56,180 spend pulling oil out of the environment, 1142 01:03:56,223 --> 01:03:58,182 trashing the environment in the process. 1143 01:04:00,662 --> 01:04:02,534 A hundred thousand dollars? 1144 01:04:02,577 --> 01:04:05,885 They're spending billions of dollars exploiting 1145 01:04:05,929 --> 01:04:09,280 and destroying the very habitats 1146 01:04:09,323 --> 01:04:11,369 that we don't even understand 1147 01:04:11,412 --> 01:04:15,025 because the scientists don't have $100,000 1148 01:04:15,068 --> 01:04:16,983 to go out and study the sargassum? 1149 01:04:17,027 --> 01:04:19,899 Why isn't there more of a parity? 1150 01:04:19,943 --> 01:04:21,379 I think there should be. 1151 01:04:21,422 --> 01:04:24,034 And I think, until there becomes more parity, 1152 01:04:24,077 --> 01:04:28,168 and we release more funding to do more science, 1153 01:04:28,212 --> 01:04:30,823 and understand what we're dealing with, 1154 01:04:30,867 --> 01:04:32,781 and give ourselves the tools 1155 01:04:32,825 --> 01:04:36,263 to better manage these places, 1156 01:04:36,307 --> 01:04:37,525 that we're doomed. 1157 01:05:05,423 --> 01:05:10,819 MaclNNIS: This injury to the Gulf where he grew up, he took personally. 1158 01:05:10,863 --> 01:05:13,779 I've never seen the depth of feeling for the ocean 1159 01:05:13,822 --> 01:05:15,868 that I saw in Mike at that time, 1160 01:05:15,912 --> 01:05:18,088 and he wanted to do something about it. 1161 01:05:18,131 --> 01:05:20,742 This was a problem that needed solution. 1162 01:05:22,222 --> 01:05:25,922 He felt like people just didn't care. 1163 01:05:25,965 --> 01:05:27,880 They don't care about the environment. 1164 01:05:27,924 --> 01:05:32,145 They don't care about underwater wildlife. 1165 01:05:32,189 --> 01:05:35,366 These big corps care about making money and that's it, 1166 01:05:35,409 --> 01:05:40,545 and that just went against everything Mike believed in. 1167 01:05:40,588 --> 01:05:42,547 Maybe I just had never seen 1168 01:05:42,590 --> 01:05:45,724 what heartbroken Mike deGruy looks like, 1169 01:05:45,767 --> 01:05:49,858 and heartbroken over something that is so avoidable. 1170 01:05:49,902 --> 01:05:51,817 I remember, he was mad because that's what 1171 01:05:51,860 --> 01:05:54,385 we were in the Gulf for, and that's why we were filming. 1172 01:05:54,428 --> 01:05:56,145 It was something that really mattered to him 1173 01:05:56,169 --> 01:05:58,215 and it was really important and he was really angry. 1174 01:05:58,258 --> 01:06:01,087 For the first time, maybe, in his career 1175 01:06:01,131 --> 01:06:03,437 he was faced with a situation 1176 01:06:03,481 --> 01:06:08,965 with a film that he couldn't quite get his head around. 1177 01:06:09,008 --> 01:06:11,576 It really was eating him up. 1178 01:06:11,619 --> 01:06:13,317 I really didn't know what to do 1179 01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,493 because he didn't wanna talk about it. 1180 01:06:15,536 --> 01:06:17,103 And I thought, "Wow, 1181 01:06:17,147 --> 01:06:19,714 "you've taken me into the ocean, 1182 01:06:19,758 --> 01:06:23,805 "so come with me to explore this inner space." 1183 01:06:23,849 --> 01:06:26,983 But he just didn't want to do it. 1184 01:06:27,026 --> 01:06:30,638 It was ironic because here's this deep ocean explorer 1185 01:06:30,682 --> 01:06:33,554 and I couldn't get him to explore his sadness. 1186 01:06:38,124 --> 01:06:41,823 But he was not particularly psychological-minded, 1187 01:06:41,867 --> 01:06:43,521 not the same kind of... 1188 01:06:45,044 --> 01:06:49,483 exuberance at discovering a psychological truth 1189 01:06:49,527 --> 01:06:52,573 as a physical truth in the world. 1190 01:06:52,617 --> 01:06:56,621 He wasn't gonna be able to keep going like he'd been going. 1191 01:06:56,664 --> 01:06:59,841 He could throw in the towel or rage at the world 1192 01:06:59,885 --> 01:07:02,496 or he could come to a new accommodation. 1193 01:07:02,540 --> 01:07:06,892 But in order to do that, he was gonna have to learn some things about himself. 1194 01:07:06,935 --> 01:07:09,460 So here's a 60-year-old guy 1195 01:07:09,503 --> 01:07:14,639 really breaking into frontier psychological territory for the first time. 1196 01:07:14,682 --> 01:07:17,120 He didn't like it. He didn't wanna talk about it, 1197 01:07:17,163 --> 01:07:20,123 but he knew he was gonna have to do it. 1198 01:07:20,166 --> 01:07:23,039 He was scared to death. 1199 01:07:23,082 --> 01:07:26,129 For the first time since he was a young springboard diver, 1200 01:07:26,172 --> 01:07:29,306 he just couldn't push through that fear. 1201 01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:32,700 I think he was scared of the depth of his rage. 1202 01:07:32,744 --> 01:07:36,443 He couldn't believe we were so disconnected from the natural world 1203 01:07:36,487 --> 01:07:38,880 that we would let that spill happen to the Gulf. 1204 01:07:43,798 --> 01:07:46,279 Director James Cameron is on a mission 1205 01:07:46,323 --> 01:07:49,108 to dive to the deepest point on the planet. 1206 01:07:49,152 --> 01:07:50,936 That voyage deep into the sea. 1207 01:07:50,979 --> 01:07:52,894 When Jim Cameron called 1208 01:07:52,938 --> 01:07:56,942 and asked Mike to join his next expedition, he jumped. 1209 01:07:56,985 --> 01:08:00,598 Mike saw it as a resurgence in an interest in the deep, 1210 01:08:00,641 --> 01:08:02,208 and it thrilled him. 1211 01:08:02,252 --> 01:08:05,429 That one very talented guy with a capable team 1212 01:08:05,472 --> 01:08:09,737 would be able to do what no government had done in 50 years. 1213 01:08:09,781 --> 01:08:12,088 It's 36,000 feet down. 1214 01:08:12,131 --> 01:08:14,220 That is seven miles to the bottom. 1215 01:08:14,264 --> 01:08:18,616 Mount Everest could fit in the trench with 7,000 feet to spare. 1216 01:08:18,659 --> 01:08:21,793 We'd worked with him before, in 2005, at Titanic. 1217 01:08:21,836 --> 01:08:25,710 We knew that he was the most capable guy out there. 1218 01:08:25,753 --> 01:08:28,147 He knew subs, he knew underwater lighting. 1219 01:08:28,191 --> 01:08:31,933 He would put the right kind of spin and pizazz on it. 1220 01:08:31,977 --> 01:08:33,979 And Andrew, as the director of the project, 1221 01:08:34,022 --> 01:08:36,503 really wanted Mike at his side. 1222 01:08:36,547 --> 01:08:40,942 And of course, he jumped right in with his usual enthusiasm. 1223 01:08:40,986 --> 01:08:44,555 And said, "Okay, you know, when, where, I'm there." 1224 01:08:44,598 --> 01:08:46,687 Mike was just so excited... Yeah. 1225 01:08:46,731 --> 01:08:49,168 You know? He was like a kid in a candy store. 1226 01:08:49,212 --> 01:08:50,778 Oh, absolutely. 1227 01:08:50,822 --> 01:08:53,346 MaclNNIS: And at that moment, when it was clear 1228 01:08:53,390 --> 01:08:56,262 that the sub was gonna work, and we were going to sea, 1229 01:08:56,306 --> 01:08:58,656 Mike was excited. 1230 01:08:58,699 --> 01:09:00,919 As excited as I've ever seen him. 1231 01:09:00,962 --> 01:09:04,488 That expedition was really energizing him, 1232 01:09:04,531 --> 01:09:08,492 and I could hear in his voice his old enthusiasm 1233 01:09:08,535 --> 01:09:10,320 coupled now with a determination, 1234 01:09:10,363 --> 01:09:14,062 and I was so excited to see where it was gonna take him. 1235 01:09:14,106 --> 01:09:16,456 I had performed a test dive 1236 01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:18,371 that was resoundingly successful. 1237 01:09:18,415 --> 01:09:22,375 And Mike was in the water. He's videoing at night. 1238 01:09:22,419 --> 01:09:25,161 So he got to shoot the mothership, 1239 01:09:25,204 --> 01:09:27,293 you know, which is what it looked like. 1240 01:09:27,337 --> 01:09:29,600 So we came up and we were just high as kites. 1241 01:09:29,643 --> 01:09:33,560 I mean, it was just so much fun to get it all working. 1242 01:09:33,604 --> 01:09:36,476 And to know the next stop was gonna be thousands of feet deep. 1243 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,696 Don, do you have any tips for Jim 1244 01:09:38,739 --> 01:09:42,265 if at about 20,000 feet, if he hears a crack? 1245 01:09:42,308 --> 01:09:43,720 If you can hear it, you're still alive, 1246 01:09:43,744 --> 01:09:45,304 and might as well keep on with the dive. 1247 01:09:46,269 --> 01:09:48,140 You never hear the one that gets you. 1248 01:09:48,184 --> 01:09:51,491 There was a real festive atmosphere on the ship that night. 1249 01:09:51,535 --> 01:09:54,059 We got together for a glass of wine afterwards, 1250 01:09:54,102 --> 01:09:57,410 Andrew, myself and Mike, and we were all telling stories. 1251 01:09:57,454 --> 01:10:01,022 And they were all the kind of "old-dog" war stories. 1252 01:10:01,066 --> 01:10:04,635 "Yeah, I remember this thing, and when I saw that, and how I photographed it." 1253 01:10:04,678 --> 01:10:08,247 There were a lot of laughs and went on till, you know, 2:00 in the morning 1254 01:10:08,291 --> 01:10:10,075 because we felt we'd really... 1255 01:10:11,294 --> 01:10:13,034 We just turned a corner. 1256 01:10:13,078 --> 01:10:16,037 - All right, we'll see you at the bottom. - All right. 1257 01:10:16,081 --> 01:10:18,039 We'd completed all our checks. 1258 01:10:18,083 --> 01:10:20,607 Ronnie was in the sub, we'd bolted the hatch down. 1259 01:10:20,651 --> 01:10:22,870 And the sub was just about to be launched 1260 01:10:22,914 --> 01:10:25,525 and Mike and Andrew were coming out 1261 01:10:25,569 --> 01:10:27,397 to film it in the helicopter. 1262 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:30,617 We were just about to lift him 1263 01:10:30,661 --> 01:10:33,707 when my deck supervisor, David Wotherspoon, 1264 01:10:33,751 --> 01:10:36,144 came to me and said, "There's been an accident. 1265 01:10:37,015 --> 01:10:38,973 "The helicopter is down." 1266 01:10:39,017 --> 01:10:41,411 And I said to David, "All right, let's not overreact," 1267 01:10:41,454 --> 01:10:43,935 because I heard that it crashed on take-off. 1268 01:10:43,978 --> 01:10:46,459 So most helicopter crashes on take-off 1269 01:10:46,503 --> 01:10:48,983 are very, very low-speed incidents, 1270 01:10:49,027 --> 01:10:51,856 and usually the helicopter's just sitting there broken 1271 01:10:51,899 --> 01:10:53,771 and everybody's standing around. 1272 01:10:53,814 --> 01:10:57,427 MaclNNIS: And then Jim went ashore to the crash site, 1273 01:10:57,470 --> 01:11:02,867 and then I got a call to come ashore and meet Jim. 1274 01:11:02,910 --> 01:11:06,262 When he turned and looked at me, I knew what had happened. 1275 01:11:06,305 --> 01:11:08,612 And we embraced. There was a long... 1276 01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:12,006 profound embrace with tears. 1277 01:11:12,050 --> 01:11:15,096 And... we were shattered. 1278 01:11:19,144 --> 01:11:21,451 American filmmaker Michael deGruy 1279 01:11:21,494 --> 01:11:24,541 and Australian filmmaker Andrew Wight were killed 1280 01:11:24,584 --> 01:11:27,326 when their helicopter crashed soon after take-off. 1281 01:11:37,031 --> 01:11:42,341 It was like he left me mid-conversation. 1282 01:11:42,385 --> 01:11:45,779 I just found myself thinking "Wait, you know, 1283 01:11:45,823 --> 01:11:48,086 "we had so much more to do, 1284 01:11:48,129 --> 01:11:51,002 "I had so many more things I wanted to say to you." 1285 01:11:52,525 --> 01:11:54,745 Did I tell him that I loved him enough? 1286 01:11:57,313 --> 01:12:02,143 Had I been afraid to love him as fearlessly as he'd lived? 1287 01:12:25,515 --> 01:12:28,082 I think there was a lot left unsaid. 1288 01:12:28,126 --> 01:12:31,129 I'm grateful that our last conversation was a really good one, 1289 01:12:31,172 --> 01:12:33,740 like, a really good one. 1290 01:12:33,784 --> 01:12:37,440 I'm super grateful that that is my last memory with him, 1291 01:12:37,483 --> 01:12:40,965 but really sad that, you know, 1292 01:12:41,008 --> 01:12:44,403 we didn't get to make the most of that time left. 1293 01:12:44,447 --> 01:12:47,101 But how can you know? And that's a good lesson. 1294 01:12:47,145 --> 01:12:48,276 Good lesson I learned. 1295 01:12:49,103 --> 01:12:50,540 I think that... 1296 01:12:53,630 --> 01:12:55,632 I don't know. That's the thing I want to know. 1297 01:12:55,675 --> 01:12:57,460 I would want to know what he would be doing, 1298 01:12:57,503 --> 01:12:59,375 and I want to ask him what I should be doing. 1299 01:13:02,595 --> 01:13:07,295 Zest, wonder, energy, laughter... 1300 01:13:09,863 --> 01:13:12,953 courage, companionship... 1301 01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:18,002 wonder. 1302 01:13:18,045 --> 01:13:19,090 Wonder. 1303 01:13:21,788 --> 01:13:27,098 Mike wasn't here just to entertain us, which he did, 1304 01:13:27,141 --> 01:13:29,970 or educate us, which he did, 1305 01:13:30,014 --> 01:13:33,234 or inspire us, which he did, 1306 01:13:33,278 --> 01:13:36,368 or to love us, which he also did, 1307 01:13:36,412 --> 01:13:39,066 but to get inside us and change us, 1308 01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:40,807 to make us behave differently. 1309 01:13:45,682 --> 01:13:48,032 His enthusiasm, his excitement, 1310 01:13:48,075 --> 01:13:51,165 his beautiful silver hair and that unfortunate haircut. 1311 01:13:53,603 --> 01:13:55,300 His sense of wonder. 1312 01:13:55,343 --> 01:14:01,262 Terry Ellis described Mike as a human exclamation mark. 1313 01:14:01,306 --> 01:14:03,047 You know, when his brother said that, 1314 01:14:03,090 --> 01:14:04,938 everybody in the space said, "You know, actually, 1315 01:14:04,962 --> 01:14:07,355 "that's a really good way of describing Mike." 1316 01:14:07,399 --> 01:14:10,663 There was a wonderful, I think, Hawaiian-inspired ceremony, 1317 01:14:10,707 --> 01:14:12,796 of throwing flowers into the ocean. 1318 01:14:12,839 --> 01:14:17,061 We were holding hands, and we were all very emotional, actually. 1319 01:14:17,104 --> 01:14:20,238 And it was a wonderful sunset, and then suddenly, in the sky, 1320 01:14:20,281 --> 01:14:23,676 as clear as day, was a cloud formation 1321 01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,243 that was an exclamation mark. 1322 01:14:26,549 --> 01:14:28,594 And it wasn't sort of a "maybe." 1323 01:14:28,638 --> 01:14:30,422 It was absolutely clear, 1324 01:14:30,466 --> 01:14:32,511 and everybody who was there, it suddenly went quiet. 1325 01:14:32,555 --> 01:14:34,707 We were all chatting, we looked at it, and people said, "Wow." 1326 01:14:34,731 --> 01:14:36,559 That was a phenomenon. 1327 01:14:36,602 --> 01:14:39,431 I don't think I've ever seen a more powerful, 1328 01:14:39,475 --> 01:14:43,914 you know, testimony to there's something, 1329 01:14:43,957 --> 01:14:47,221 you know, beyond just organic life 1330 01:14:47,265 --> 01:14:49,615 than that exclamation point. 1331 01:14:49,659 --> 01:14:51,487 And I remember thinking to myself, 1332 01:14:51,530 --> 01:14:53,053 that bugger, Mike deGruy, 1333 01:14:53,097 --> 01:14:54,968 he's never, ever gonna miss a party. 1334 01:14:55,012 --> 01:14:58,189 There is no way that we're not gonna know he's there. 1335 01:14:58,232 --> 01:15:02,541 That noisy, energetic, amazing guy, even... 1336 01:15:02,585 --> 01:15:04,978 even after death, 1337 01:15:05,022 --> 01:15:07,198 made sure that we still knew he was around. 1338 01:15:09,113 --> 01:15:14,292 Mike's energy drew both people and animals to him. 1339 01:15:14,335 --> 01:15:16,468 That was his magic. 1340 01:15:16,512 --> 01:15:22,039 It might send down a tentacle, caress me with its sucker discs. 1341 01:15:22,082 --> 01:15:25,085 It's just unbelievable what this animal is capable of, 1342 01:15:25,129 --> 01:15:26,826 and I loved them. 1343 01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:29,916 He wasn't this earnest environmentalist. 1344 01:15:32,615 --> 01:15:36,575 He wasn't driven by duty in that kind of sense. 1345 01:15:36,619 --> 01:15:39,143 Just within him, there was just this great 1346 01:15:39,186 --> 01:15:43,539 warm, throbbing kind of, you know, "Isn't life great?" 1347 01:15:43,582 --> 01:15:46,585 These jack number hit the thousands! 1348 01:15:46,629 --> 01:15:48,979 In this last year, he was retooling. 1349 01:15:49,022 --> 01:15:52,635 He was determined to get the truth out. 1350 01:15:52,678 --> 01:15:56,116 We'll spend billions and billions and billions of dollars exploiting an area 1351 01:15:56,160 --> 01:16:00,033 that we haven't even spent a little bit of money understanding. 1352 01:16:00,077 --> 01:16:01,687 It doesn't make sense. 1353 01:16:01,731 --> 01:16:05,038 If everybody could take a little bit of that juice, 1354 01:16:05,082 --> 01:16:09,086 the inspiration, the fire that burned so brightly in Mike deGruy, 1355 01:16:09,129 --> 01:16:11,479 if we could just spread it around, 1356 01:16:11,523 --> 01:16:15,179 there'd be no problem. Everybody'd be wanting to get out there. 1357 01:16:15,222 --> 01:16:17,747 When I talked with schools and kids, 1358 01:16:17,790 --> 01:16:21,446 "Well, gee, how do you become an underwater filmmaker? I wanna do that." 1359 01:16:21,489 --> 01:16:23,753 "Just do it. Just start making movies. 1360 01:16:23,796 --> 01:16:25,885 "They'll be horrible at first, it doesn't matter." 1361 01:16:25,929 --> 01:16:27,844 You know, you'll still have fun doing it. 1362 01:16:33,632 --> 01:16:35,852 I fell so in love with Mike 1363 01:16:35,895 --> 01:16:38,898 and saw the ocean through his eyes, 1364 01:16:38,942 --> 01:16:45,731 and it was clear to me that he wanted us all to love it like he did. 1365 01:16:45,775 --> 01:16:48,386 He would be shouting from the rooftop 1366 01:16:48,429 --> 01:16:51,824 that the ocean is not for sale. 1367 01:16:51,868 --> 01:16:58,788 And it's up to us to have those difficult conversations now before it's too late. 1368 01:16:58,831 --> 01:17:03,140 And to take care of the ocean like our life depends on it. 1369 01:17:04,315 --> 01:17:08,232 Because, honestly, it does. 1370 01:17:08,275 --> 01:17:11,670 I've been to a lot of lectures where at the end of it, 1371 01:17:11,714 --> 01:17:14,325 inevitably, one of the first questions that comes up is, 1372 01:17:14,368 --> 01:17:15,718 "But what can I do?" 1373 01:17:15,761 --> 01:17:19,069 My answer to that is don't look at the big, 1374 01:17:19,112 --> 01:17:21,462 overwhelming issues of the world. 1375 01:17:21,506 --> 01:17:23,203 Look in your own backyard. 1376 01:17:26,293 --> 01:17:28,469 Look into your heart, actually. 1377 01:17:28,513 --> 01:17:32,125 What do you really care about that isn't right where you live, and fix it. 1378 01:18:26,614 --> 01:18:30,270 So we've returned to my hometown, Mobile, Alabama, 1379 01:18:30,314 --> 01:18:33,360 to talk to a lot of people and get people involved, 1380 01:18:33,404 --> 01:18:36,102 and maybe, you know, we can... 1381 01:18:36,146 --> 01:18:38,104 We can make the world a better place. 1382 01:18:39,976 --> 01:18:41,542 Cut. 108770

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