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Women really have the power here
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because we will not accept
any form of sexual harassment
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or inappropriate behavior here.
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Right. You like seeing women
be powerful?
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Absolutely! Because then
you know what they're doing is--
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is something they really
want to do.
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♪
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Disgusted was
the last feeling that I had.
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Disgusted.
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I would feel extremely small
and vulnerable
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and feel like I would have
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to do something
that I wasn't comfortable doing.
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I felt like I was lost
in this world
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that I would never get out of.
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I felt swappable, interchangeable.
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It got a little weird.
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I felt like
it was almost pimping.
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You have a man that was living
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in a multimillion-dollar
mansion,
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having million-dollar parties.
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But the girls that made him
that success,
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we were disposable.
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That's how we felt.
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It wasn't just Hefner's buddies,
his friends, the big VIPs.
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It was Hefner himself.
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I never heard him
say on television,
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"It's okay to do it
when the girl hasn't said yes,"
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but he was doing it.
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They were not giving
full consent.
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Typically, if someone is known
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for dating
vulnerable populations,
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we call that out
for what it is, right?
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Looking back now,
Hef was a predator.
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He was a predator.
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[motor revving]
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My name is Hugh Hefner.
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I'm editor-publisher
of "Playboy" magazine.
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When Hugh Hefner was just 27,
he fashioned himself and Playboy
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as the face
of sexual liberation.
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Playboy is one of the most
famous brand names in the world.
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I would like to be remembered
as somebody
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who played some positive part
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in changing the social-sexual
values of my time.
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I believe that Hef pulled
one over on the whole world.
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The fantasy of Playboy
that he created
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did not allow for the consent
of the women.
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When it came
to Hefner's buddies,
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you had to keep
those secrets quiet.
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- What have you got for free?
- [laughs]
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When you get someone
that powerful,
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anything could happen. Anything.
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The people
who were really there--
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they're the ones who know
the real truth.
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I want to be a voice
for the women
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that suffered the most
at his hands.
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♪
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♪
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I could have left that world
thinking he was a great guy,
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being able to say to people,
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he was never inappropriate
with me.
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He, you know, paid us well.
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Some doors that maybe I never
would've stood before, opened,
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but I can't say that.
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♪
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I decided to tell in detail
about the Hefner rape.
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[voice breaking]
I hate that word,
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but there is no other way
to describe it.
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Women who go through this
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feel that
they'll be "stigmatized"
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or thought of differently.
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It's why they don't talk
about it.
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That's why they don't tell.
Sometimes never.
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It took me years. Years.
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♪
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I was raised in Alabama,
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just a very rural area
on a farm.
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My parents were almost
cult-like with their religion.
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The Church of Christ,
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anything to do with sex
or your private parts
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was just completely,
completely off the table.
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We weren't allowed
to wear shorts.
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I remember I invited some
people over to go swimming.
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I cut my pants off
to the knees,
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and my mom came home,
and I got--
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she beat the hell out of me,
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called me every name
in the book,
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that, you know, I was a whore.
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And, um, you know...
just...the sh--shame, shaming.
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When I was little,
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I just remember
my grandfather--
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he would take me into the woods, and...
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Mm.
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And then he would--he would
take his, um, his pants off,
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and, um, he would rape me,
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and I remember when I was 8,
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he said, "Well, don't you ever
tell your mother
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because she will kill you
if you tell her."
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So when I left home at 15,
I got a job.
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I was determined to get
my little brother
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out of that home
and to come live with me.
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I felt like he was
in an abusive situation as well.
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I kept getting approached
to do modeling jobs,
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and I realized I can make,
you know,
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some good money doing this.
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It was weird to me
to be valued for my beauty
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because I'd never felt pretty
at all.
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One photographer
that I met said,
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"Would you please
consider modeling
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for me to send in some pictures
to 'Playboy'?"
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And I did do
bathing suit modeling,
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and they sent in
some test shots to "Playboy,"
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and "Playboy" wrote back
and said,
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"Oh, yeah, we--we would love
to see more of this girl."
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I did believe that what
I was doing was wrong,
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but I thought, you know,
God's gonna forgive me.
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I need this opportunity,
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- and I'll--
- I'll never be able to make this kind of money.
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This is my "Playboy" test shoot.
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I was scared to death
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and was so thankful
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I had so much hair
to hide behind.
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I wasn't 18 when I started.
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When the centerfold came out,
I was 18
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because they had to wait
until I turned 18.
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"Turn-ons--diamonds and furs,
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vintage champagne,
faster horses,
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traveling and going home."
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I'll tell you, I was highly
coached on this data sheet
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on sounding
fast and racy and sexy.
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[birds chirping]
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In 1983, I was staying
at the Playboy Mansion.
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It was that time of the year
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where somebody's gonna
be chosen soon
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for Playmate of the Year.
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It was all very intimidating
and really new.
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I felt safe in my room,
and that's where I stayed.
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With Hef, he was telling me,
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"Susie, I've heard
that you're nervous
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and that you've been
staying in your room,
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but I want you to know
it's safe here,
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and I want you to know that
you can do anything you want.
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If there's anything
you want to experiment with,
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then you just need
to let us know
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because we want you
to be safe."
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That was kind, and I did.
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I felt safe at that moment.
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Me and another
Playmate of the Month
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were in a bedroom
down the hall from Hef's,
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and of course we were talking
about Playmate of the Year.
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And she's like, you know, "Well,
if you're so worried about it,
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then why don't you just walk
down the hall and talk to Hef?"
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She literally pushed me
out the door of the bedroom
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and towards his bedroom
down the hall.
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And then I knocked on the door,
and he said, "Who is it?"
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And I said, "It's Susie.
Susie Scott."
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And he said,
"Susie, come--come in."
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And I'm like, oh, good.
I'm not bothering him.
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He gave me a hug,
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and he said, "You look
very stressed. What's wrong?"
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I said, "Oh, I'm just...
got a lot of my mind,
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and I wanted to talk to you."
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I had my speech all ready. I was
gonna ask him, you know,
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had he thought
about Playmate of the Year,
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and to tell him, you know,
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I would commit myself
as a spokesman,
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and I'm very good at it
and well-read,
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even though I didn't finish
even 10th grade.
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He goes, "Well, let me just give
you something to calm you down."
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And he gave me a pill
and a soda, and I just took it,
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not thinking much about it.
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You know, at first, it didn't
dawn on me that it was a drug.
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You know, at first,
you're thinking,
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somebody's giving you
a Tylenol or an Advil.
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And then I thought, okay,
what did I just take?
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I didn't even ask.
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I don't remember laying down.
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I don't remember if I even
said anything to him
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about Playmate of the Year.
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I woke up with him on top of me.
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He was naked,
and my, um, pants were off.
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My pajama bottoms were off.
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I thought that
I was having a nightmare
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because it didn't seem possible.
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I thought I was reliving
the last time
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that my grandfather had done
this to me, and...
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Ugh. [chuckles]
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This old man with his mouth
gaping open was a real thing.
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He was a real person.
It was Hefner.
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He looked like Satan.
He looked like Satan.
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He just looked so...
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cr--
just a creep, just a creep.
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He honestly had the same look
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that my grandfather had
when he did it.
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I can't tell you.
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There must be like
some common demon that gets in
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and looks the same because
it was eerie. It was just eerie.
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♪
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Maybe I was one of the few
who he had not slept with,
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and maybe he didn't like that.
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I pushed him off of me,
and I think it made him mad.
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When I went back to my bedroom,
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all I wanted to do was just
lay back down, cry, think.
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And I...
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I just remember,
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I've got to tell somebody.
I've got to tell somebody.
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Every man out there is,
you know,
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wishing they could live
your life, but...
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I know. I know.
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...wondering how the hell
you do it.
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Yeah. Well, part of it's being
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very straightforward
and honest about it.
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See, I think one
of the great curses
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and--and one of the great
immoralities in--
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in, uh, in sexuality
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is the lying, the cheating,
the hypocrisy.
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♪
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When I came to "Playboy,"
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I thought that doing
the centerfold
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was kind of like getting
my power back.
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I had it for a moment,
but it was taken right back.
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This thing
that happened with Hef
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set me back a long way.
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The next morning,
I was so ashamed,
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I wanted to just die.
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This whole thing--
it had to be a secret,
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a secret that I had to,
you know,
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like, see all the time.
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You know,
I looked up at that hallway,
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and you know,
I'd think about it,
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but then I'd have to put
that smile on.
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And when I saw Hef, you know,
give him a hug.
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He never mentioned it.
- He--He--
- He...
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The only explanation is that
he was hiding it from me
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to make me doubt
that it happened maybe,
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to make me forget about it.
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But you don't forget.
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Never.
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Never.
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I believe it was a Quaalude
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because I've been told what it
feels like to take a Quaalude.
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I just don't remember
falling asleep.
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When I was there,
Hef would carry the Quaaludes
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in a wadded-up Kleenex
in his pocket,
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and I saw him offer it
to people all the time.
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See, look at how
he's hovering over girls
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and just kissing at will.
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He touched all the girls.
He would touch their breasts.
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He thinks that he owns
everybody's breasts.
249
00:13:29,765 --> 00:13:31,985
There was a night
that Hef told me
250
00:13:32,072 --> 00:13:36,380
we were going to go
for a little walk.
251
00:13:36,467 --> 00:13:40,820
He took me down the hall,
and he got a key out,
252
00:13:40,907 --> 00:13:43,953
and he told me
it was a skeleton key.
253
00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,826
And I go, "What do you mean?"
254
00:13:46,913 --> 00:13:49,785
And he said, "Well,
you think I wouldn't have a key
255
00:13:49,872 --> 00:13:53,180
that would open every room
in this house?"
256
00:13:53,267 --> 00:13:57,749
And that's the night I learned
that he used it at will.
257
00:13:57,837 --> 00:14:03,277
He opened the door
on a girl who was sleeping,
258
00:14:03,407 --> 00:14:06,933
and he went inside
259
00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:09,370
and sat down
at the bed with her.
260
00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:12,155
And...at that point,
I'm just frozen.
261
00:14:12,242 --> 00:14:14,941
I...
I didn't know what to do.
262
00:14:15,028 --> 00:14:20,076
And she kept saying no.
263
00:14:20,207 --> 00:14:23,253
I blocked it
the minute she said no,
264
00:14:23,384 --> 00:14:26,430
and he continued
and forced himself on her.
265
00:14:26,561 --> 00:14:28,432
I was standing there,
and I was terrified,
266
00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:31,348
but I can't see it.
267
00:14:31,435 --> 00:14:33,960
And...all these years, I mean,
268
00:14:34,090 --> 00:14:37,137
does she think I'm a monster
because of it?
269
00:14:37,267 --> 00:14:40,880
I'm sorry. I didn't...
270
00:14:40,967 --> 00:14:45,667
I'm sorry I didn't do
anything to stop it.
271
00:14:45,797 --> 00:14:49,758
And he told me, uh, when we were
heading back to the master,
272
00:14:49,845 --> 00:14:51,673
uh, he said to me...
[sniffles]
273
00:14:51,803 --> 00:14:54,458
"Well, did they think
that they were gonna
274
00:14:54,545 --> 00:14:56,417
come stay in my house
and not sleep with me?"
275
00:14:56,504 --> 00:14:57,548
[sniffles]
276
00:14:57,635 --> 00:15:00,987
Whether they consented or not,
277
00:15:01,074 --> 00:15:04,033
if he wanted something,
he would take it.
278
00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,992
♪
279
00:15:06,079 --> 00:15:10,126
He rifled through so many
decades of young girls.
280
00:15:10,257 --> 00:15:13,086
REPORTER: How many girlfriends
have you had?
281
00:15:13,216 --> 00:15:15,915
In total?
I have no idea. I don't know.
282
00:15:16,002 --> 00:15:18,004
But you keep a record,
as I understand.
283
00:15:18,091 --> 00:15:20,180
Yes, but I've never
counted up the numbers. Uh...
284
00:15:20,267 --> 00:15:22,617
- Hundreds?
- Yes.
285
00:15:22,747 --> 00:15:24,010
Many more than hundreds, yes.
286
00:15:24,140 --> 00:15:25,446
Thousands?
287
00:15:25,533 --> 00:15:27,578
Well, certainly over a thousand,
I'm sure.
288
00:15:27,709 --> 00:15:29,450
Hef liked the girls young,
289
00:15:29,537 --> 00:15:31,843
and he liked them
from a broken family,
290
00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:33,454
or there wasn't
a father involved
291
00:15:33,584 --> 00:15:35,325
because then
he could impress them
292
00:15:35,412 --> 00:15:38,285
and, uh, control them more
293
00:15:38,415 --> 00:15:40,374
because they would be
more likely
294
00:15:40,504 --> 00:15:44,639
to want to please him
or please his friends.
295
00:15:48,121 --> 00:15:50,471
I wanted to tell somebody
I trusted
296
00:15:50,558 --> 00:15:52,908
and then have them
tell me what to do.
297
00:15:52,995 --> 00:15:58,087
So I told Marilyn, who was
- the editor--
- Marilyn Grabowski.
298
00:15:58,218 --> 00:15:59,610
She said, "Oh, that's all?
299
00:15:59,741 --> 00:16:02,787
- Don't--
- Don't let it bother you.
300
00:16:02,918 --> 00:16:06,530
It's nothing. It's nothing.
He won't even remember it."
301
00:16:06,617 --> 00:16:08,402
[scoffs]
302
00:16:08,489 --> 00:16:11,709
And I'm like... [chuckles]
"But I will never forget it."
303
00:16:11,796 --> 00:16:14,843
She goes, "Just don't even
think about it anymore.
304
00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:17,585
Just do what you know.
Do your work.
305
00:16:17,672 --> 00:16:19,935
It's not a big deal."
306
00:16:23,330 --> 00:16:25,071
[sighs]
307
00:16:25,158 --> 00:16:29,989
And then I never--
just never talked about it.
308
00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:35,516
I started getting
very, very, very thin.
309
00:16:35,646 --> 00:16:38,562
I think I probably
got down to 90.
310
00:16:38,693 --> 00:16:41,304
♪
311
00:16:41,391 --> 00:16:46,005
Of course he sent Mary to say,
"Hef is so worried about you.
312
00:16:46,135 --> 00:16:50,052
And you know, we would really
like to have you see a doctor.
313
00:16:50,183 --> 00:16:52,141
And, uh, we just want you
to know we care."
314
00:16:52,228 --> 00:16:55,362
Mary O'Connor was his instrument
315
00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:58,800
for doing
all the legal things properly.
316
00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:03,326
He had to pretend to care.
317
00:17:03,413 --> 00:17:08,375
I was just completely depressed.
318
00:17:08,462 --> 00:17:11,030
I didn't feel of value.
319
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:23,651
Many of the girls wanted
to tell you their problems.
320
00:17:23,781 --> 00:17:26,393
I think I was mostly bothered
by the sadness.
321
00:17:28,786 --> 00:17:35,793
Hefner enjoyed taking these
fresh girls and breaking them.
322
00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,144
Dorothy Stratten--this is
his Playmate of the Year.
323
00:17:38,231 --> 00:17:40,624
She looks beautiful.
324
00:17:40,711 --> 00:17:44,715
Look how happy she is. She's on
top of the world right there.
325
00:17:44,802 --> 00:17:49,242
She was the ultimate Playmate,
Dorothy was.
326
00:17:49,329 --> 00:17:51,940
She had it all,
all in one package.
327
00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:54,377
To look at her now
in the footage,
328
00:17:54,508 --> 00:17:56,118
she was so sweet.
329
00:17:56,205 --> 00:17:58,816
I mean, you could not help
but love her.
330
00:17:58,947 --> 00:18:03,995
Dorothy Stratten was
the most perfect Playmate
331
00:18:04,083 --> 00:18:08,130
to ever enter
the Playboy world.
332
00:18:08,217 --> 00:18:12,787
She was...
333
00:18:12,874 --> 00:18:14,223
magnificent.
334
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:16,747
♪
335
00:18:16,878 --> 00:18:19,010
Then after all these years,
336
00:18:19,141 --> 00:18:21,752
what we have left of her
337
00:18:21,883 --> 00:18:27,018
are photos of what once was.
338
00:18:27,106 --> 00:18:31,849
Thousands of girls
come through it,
339
00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:33,329
through the Mansion,
through the magazine,
340
00:18:33,416 --> 00:18:35,244
thousands of them,
and they don't get murdered,
341
00:18:35,331 --> 00:18:39,030
- but one did--
- Dorothy Stratten.
342
00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:43,339
There are many documentaries
on Dorothy's death.
343
00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:44,949
REPORTER:
Dorothy Stratten, 20 years old
344
00:18:45,036 --> 00:18:46,342
from Vancouver, Canada,
345
00:18:46,473 --> 00:18:48,170
was on her way
to becoming a celebrity.
346
00:18:48,257 --> 00:18:52,218
Brutally murdered
by her deranged husband.
347
00:18:52,348 --> 00:18:55,482
"Playboy" magazine's
1980 Playmate of the Year
348
00:18:55,612 --> 00:18:57,484
has been found shot to death,
349
00:18:57,614 --> 00:18:59,225
killed apparently
by her estranged husband
350
00:18:59,312 --> 00:19:01,444
who then killed himself.
351
00:19:01,531 --> 00:19:04,491
But that's not the whole story
352
00:19:04,578 --> 00:19:06,928
of Dorothy's experience
at Playboy.
353
00:19:07,015 --> 00:19:08,625
♪
354
00:19:08,756 --> 00:19:11,324
With Dorothy, I believe that
355
00:19:11,411 --> 00:19:16,677
Hefner certainly didn't act
in a gentlemanly way.
356
00:19:22,073 --> 00:19:24,380
I was very awkward. I had a--
growing up, you know,
357
00:19:24,467 --> 00:19:27,427
very skinny and no shape
and just...
358
00:19:27,514 --> 00:19:31,648
[laughs]
359
00:19:31,735 --> 00:19:33,737
- No shape?
- -No, I was just--
- I'm tall.
360
00:19:33,824 --> 00:19:35,696
You must have had a good year
and a bad year then.
361
00:19:35,783 --> 00:19:38,438
- It all happened in one year.
- One year?
362
00:19:38,525 --> 00:19:41,658
And that's when I was found
by "Playboy." [laughs]
363
00:19:41,789 --> 00:19:44,618
Dorothy Stratten ascended
364
00:19:44,705 --> 00:19:48,926
Hugh Hefner's cult-like
structure very rapidly.
365
00:19:49,013 --> 00:19:54,280
She went from a Bunny
working at Century City
366
00:19:54,367 --> 00:19:58,762
to Playmate of the Month,
then Playmate of the Year.
367
00:19:58,849 --> 00:20:05,378
And then the next step was
going to be a respected actress.
368
00:20:05,465 --> 00:20:08,468
The magazine layouts were
an important stepping-stone,
369
00:20:08,555 --> 00:20:10,861
and soon she was a guest
on "The Tonight Show."
370
00:20:10,948 --> 00:20:13,864
Hefner--he particularly
wanted her
371
00:20:13,951 --> 00:20:15,953
because he knew
372
00:20:16,084 --> 00:20:18,521
that she had the potential
to be a big star.
373
00:20:18,608 --> 00:20:20,480
I don't know
of any other Playmate
374
00:20:20,567 --> 00:20:23,874
that I've had the feeling
would have been a big star
375
00:20:23,961 --> 00:20:27,269
more than I thought
Dorothy would.
376
00:20:27,356 --> 00:20:29,532
She was in a situation
similar to mine, really,
377
00:20:29,619 --> 00:20:34,145
with a man
that was controlling her.
378
00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:37,497
Paul Snider was a low-life pimp.
379
00:20:37,584 --> 00:20:42,153
When she was 18,
her boyfriend, Paul Snider,
380
00:20:42,241 --> 00:20:44,982
sent her pictures to Hefner.
381
00:20:45,069 --> 00:20:49,378
I was working at the Mansion
382
00:20:49,465 --> 00:20:52,903
when the limousine
brought her up.
383
00:20:52,990 --> 00:20:56,907
She said,
"I've just come from Canada.
384
00:20:56,994 --> 00:21:00,302
Can you tell me
where Mr. Hefner is?"
385
00:21:00,389 --> 00:21:05,046
And that was the beginning
of the end for her.
386
00:21:05,133 --> 00:21:07,309
She was into the system.
387
00:21:07,396 --> 00:21:13,837
At the Mansion, the process was,
you first meet Hefner,
388
00:21:13,924 --> 00:21:16,144
you have sex with him,
389
00:21:16,231 --> 00:21:19,974
and then he passes you around
to his friends.
390
00:21:20,061 --> 00:21:24,587
You don't violate
this order of sexual activity,
391
00:21:24,674 --> 00:21:29,331
but Dorothy--
she broke the rules.
392
00:21:29,462 --> 00:21:33,248
When Dorothy first came
to the Mansion,
393
00:21:33,379 --> 00:21:36,904
Hefner thought that she'd slept
with Patrick Curtis.
394
00:21:37,034 --> 00:21:41,430
His name to fame was he was
in "Gone with the Wind,"
395
00:21:41,517 --> 00:21:43,258
and that's how
he parlayed himself
396
00:21:43,345 --> 00:21:46,609
with all the girls
at the Playmate Mansion.
397
00:21:46,696 --> 00:21:49,786
Hefner was very angry.
398
00:21:49,873 --> 00:21:53,355
This is like a town
in the Old West
399
00:21:53,442 --> 00:21:57,228
where every girl in town
is the Sheriff's girl,
400
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,013
and you're told,
401
00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:00,884
"You don't want to mess
with the Sheriff's girl."
402
00:22:00,971 --> 00:22:02,625
He wanted her for himself,
403
00:22:02,712 --> 00:22:05,280
could not understand
why he couldn't get her.
404
00:22:05,411 --> 00:22:09,676
How did she pay for it?
405
00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:12,200
With her being brutalized.
406
00:22:14,071 --> 00:22:17,466
Early on in her time
at the Mansion,
407
00:22:17,597 --> 00:22:22,297
I and another security guard
were outside the grotto.
408
00:22:22,428 --> 00:22:24,473
We heard her screaming.
409
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,825
We peered around,
and we witnessed it.
410
00:22:28,912 --> 00:22:32,829
There was a ledge
around the grotto.
411
00:22:32,916 --> 00:22:38,966
Hefner propped her up, and he
started to rape her anally,
412
00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:40,794
and she was screaming.
413
00:22:40,881 --> 00:22:42,622
♪
414
00:22:42,752 --> 00:22:46,582
After we witnessed it,
the security guard told me--
415
00:22:46,669 --> 00:22:48,497
he whispered in my ear--
416
00:22:48,584 --> 00:22:51,457
I should go back
into the butler's pantry
417
00:22:51,544 --> 00:22:53,937
and keep my mouth shut.
418
00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:57,201
And that's what I did.
419
00:22:57,288 --> 00:22:59,726
You had to follow the rules.
420
00:22:59,813 --> 00:23:04,992
You had to be discreet,
be quiet, carry on.
421
00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:08,430
Nobody was going to come forward
422
00:23:08,517 --> 00:23:12,303
because nobody wanted Hefner
to come after you.
423
00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:17,221
In the old days, it was like,
well, who are you?
424
00:23:17,308 --> 00:23:19,136
You're just after his money.
425
00:23:19,223 --> 00:23:21,400
That was always the thing.
You're after his money.
426
00:23:21,487 --> 00:23:22,836
And they would side with,
427
00:23:22,923 --> 00:23:24,664
you know,
the most powerful person.
428
00:23:24,751 --> 00:23:27,231
There was an inequality there.
429
00:23:27,318 --> 00:23:30,974
It's pretty sad for me
just to relive this.
430
00:23:31,105 --> 00:23:34,325
And I'm sorry.
431
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:41,594
So please feel free to cut
and edit it out any sadness.
432
00:23:41,681 --> 00:23:47,991
She confided in me the pain
she was feeling inside.
433
00:23:48,078 --> 00:23:51,255
She was hollow.
Her eyes were distant.
434
00:23:51,386 --> 00:23:54,041
She didn't engage
with you anymore
435
00:23:54,128 --> 00:23:55,782
in that personable way,
436
00:23:55,869 --> 00:23:59,568
the way she did
when she first came from Canada.
437
00:23:59,655 --> 00:24:02,484
Mr. Hefner wanted to stay
in control.
438
00:24:02,571 --> 00:24:04,878
It's the old story.
439
00:24:04,965 --> 00:24:07,837
He started out as
a very liberal,
440
00:24:07,924 --> 00:24:10,318
modern-thinking writer
441
00:24:10,405 --> 00:24:12,712
when he started
putting the magazine together
442
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,802
in Chicago on his kitchen table.
443
00:24:15,932 --> 00:24:20,894
And then by the time he got to
Hollywood, everything changed.
444
00:24:20,981 --> 00:24:23,810
He became a typical rich guy
445
00:24:23,897 --> 00:24:28,118
using his money to buy women,
to control women.
446
00:24:28,249 --> 00:24:34,037
Hefner thought that if he could
abuse her over and over again
447
00:24:34,124 --> 00:24:36,823
against her wishes,
448
00:24:36,953 --> 00:24:39,347
that he could get control
of her.
449
00:24:47,050 --> 00:24:51,011
Dorothy Stratten was devastated.
450
00:24:51,141 --> 00:24:53,230
She was psychically destroyed.
451
00:24:53,361 --> 00:24:57,234
It was too much for her.
452
00:24:57,321 --> 00:24:59,454
Her body was breaking down.
453
00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:01,587
- She--
- She couldn't-- She couldn't help herself.
454
00:25:01,717 --> 00:25:04,328
She wasn't sleeping.
She wasn't--wasn't well.
455
00:25:04,459 --> 00:25:09,072
While she was waiting for
her centerfold to come out,
456
00:25:09,203 --> 00:25:11,422
Paul Schneider coerced her
into marrying him
457
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,120
because he wanted her money.
458
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:14,948
He wanted that fame.
459
00:25:15,078 --> 00:25:20,606
The marriage lasted less than
a year, and they separated.
460
00:25:20,736 --> 00:25:22,999
Paul was clawing at her.
461
00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:27,438
He was losing her. He knew it,
so she needed a protector.
462
00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:29,658
She needed protection
from everyone.
463
00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:33,053
Dorothy met Peter Bogdanovich
at the Mansion,
464
00:25:33,183 --> 00:25:36,317
and like many men who met her,
465
00:25:36,404 --> 00:25:38,275
he fell in love
at first sight.
466
00:25:38,406 --> 00:25:44,194
Bagdanovich told me about Hefner
forcing himself on Dorothy
467
00:25:44,281 --> 00:25:47,110
in the Jacuzzi part
of the grotto, in the grotto.
468
00:25:47,241 --> 00:25:50,070
[sniffles] He told me that.
He told me.
469
00:25:50,157 --> 00:25:53,639
Dorothy was naive
in many ways, very innocent,
470
00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:58,121
believed what people said,
believed the whole Playboy hype.
471
00:25:58,252 --> 00:26:01,690
Found herself,
when she got to Hollywood,
472
00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:05,346
found herself maneuvered
by Hefner
473
00:26:05,476 --> 00:26:09,872
into a sexual situation that,
uh, she found very shocking,
474
00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:12,048
and, in fact,
it traumatized her.
475
00:26:12,135 --> 00:26:15,835
There was nothing in
the relationship with Dorothy,
476
00:26:15,922 --> 00:26:20,883
with Playboy or with me
that I am less than proud of.
477
00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:22,885
There is a strong possibility
that there's truth,
478
00:26:23,016 --> 00:26:27,063
in that allegation that
479
00:26:27,150 --> 00:26:30,110
Dorothy Stratten
was raped by Hef,
480
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,157
I don't have reason
not to believe it anymore.
481
00:26:34,288 --> 00:26:40,033
If you had told me that
before...my experience,
482
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:43,079
I would've said no,
no, definitely not.
483
00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:45,821
I think Hef
thought he deserved it.
484
00:26:45,952 --> 00:26:48,998
[sighs]
485
00:26:49,129 --> 00:26:54,308
And I don't know
what kind of mentality or psyche
486
00:26:54,438 --> 00:26:56,527
would cause a man to think that.
487
00:26:56,658 --> 00:27:02,098
But for some reason,
I think he felt he deserved
488
00:27:02,185 --> 00:27:03,926
anything he felt
he needed or wanted
489
00:27:04,013 --> 00:27:06,712
from anybody that was
in his home.
490
00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:11,064
♪
491
00:27:11,151 --> 00:27:14,067
See how happy? Look at that.
492
00:27:14,197 --> 00:27:17,461
Now, if that happened to her,
how could she be that happy?
493
00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:20,856
- It was--
- It was all playacting.
494
00:27:20,987 --> 00:27:23,467
It was all his movie
495
00:27:23,598 --> 00:27:26,340
and his script
down to the day he died.
496
00:27:26,427 --> 00:27:31,301
It was not long after
that she was murdered.
497
00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:33,652
It was so devastating
to all of us.
498
00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:38,134
They underestimated Paul.
499
00:27:38,221 --> 00:27:41,572
Peter Bogdanovich--
he wanted to date her.
500
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,444
He wanted to sleep with her.
501
00:27:43,574 --> 00:27:47,056
Paul Snider became aware of it,
502
00:27:47,143 --> 00:27:48,884
and he went crazy,
503
00:27:49,015 --> 00:27:53,454
even trying to jam his car
through the front gates.
504
00:27:53,541 --> 00:27:56,500
So it became
this, uh, intense triangle,
505
00:27:56,587 --> 00:27:58,851
and it ended in disaster.
506
00:27:58,981 --> 00:28:01,680
According to police reports,
507
00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:05,596
Snider blew off his wife's face
with a 12-gauge shotgun
508
00:28:05,727 --> 00:28:08,817
before turning
the powerful weapon on himself.
509
00:28:08,948 --> 00:28:11,298
Earlier in the evening,
510
00:28:11,385 --> 00:28:14,605
before the knowledge
of Dorothy's death,
511
00:28:14,736 --> 00:28:16,259
there was a new girl,
512
00:28:16,390 --> 00:28:19,654
and Hefner thought
she was super cute
513
00:28:19,741 --> 00:28:22,613
and wanted me
to get information on her.
514
00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:26,792
The day that Dorothy was killed,
the day she was murdered,
515
00:28:26,879 --> 00:28:30,056
when I finally had gone home,
changed, and came back,
516
00:28:30,186 --> 00:28:32,580
one of the first things
he asked me was,
517
00:28:32,711 --> 00:28:35,452
"Did you get
that new girl's number?"
518
00:28:35,539 --> 00:28:40,544
I remember thinking, wow,
it was just so self-centered.
519
00:28:40,675 --> 00:28:44,810
It really was Hef's world.
520
00:28:44,897 --> 00:28:49,858
Hugh Hefner--he never wanted
Dorothy to have any power.
521
00:28:49,989 --> 00:28:52,556
He never wanted a woman
to become so powerful
522
00:28:52,687 --> 00:28:54,689
that he couldn't control her.
523
00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:56,691
And it was so wrong
524
00:28:56,822 --> 00:28:59,694
and so against what
he espoused to everyone.
525
00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:02,262
I mean,
all about protecting women
526
00:29:02,392 --> 00:29:04,568
and non-exploitation,
all that,
527
00:29:04,699 --> 00:29:07,658
that was nothing but garbage.
528
00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:11,532
We treat them, uh, as the record
will rather clearly show,
529
00:29:11,662 --> 00:29:13,490
in a rather first-rate way.
530
00:29:13,621 --> 00:29:16,842
♪
531
00:29:16,929 --> 00:29:22,021
He was so good
at making you feel
532
00:29:22,108 --> 00:29:25,720
like you were the only thing
in the world
533
00:29:25,851 --> 00:29:28,810
and the most beautiful thing
in the world,
534
00:29:28,941 --> 00:29:31,813
until the next Playmate
came along,
535
00:29:31,944 --> 00:29:41,083
and he didn't care if you were
broken, uh, anorexic, addicted.
536
00:29:41,170 --> 00:29:44,304
I heard about
the Dorothy Stratten story.
537
00:29:44,434 --> 00:29:47,655
I never read Peter Bogdanovich's
book when I was at the Mansion,
538
00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:49,831
because at that time
I still had
539
00:29:49,962 --> 00:29:51,746
my rose-colored glasses on
about Hef,
540
00:29:51,833 --> 00:29:53,356
and you generally
don't want to read things
541
00:29:53,487 --> 00:29:56,664
about somebody you care about
that are negative.
542
00:29:56,751 --> 00:29:59,232
But I decided to read the book
right before my book came out,
543
00:29:59,362 --> 00:30:02,322
and it really hit me.
544
00:30:02,452 --> 00:30:04,628
I always thought
that Dorothy was somebody
545
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:06,543
I'd never be able to relate to
546
00:30:06,674 --> 00:30:10,330
because she was always
presented as this goddess.
547
00:30:10,417 --> 00:30:14,116
But when I read the book,
548
00:30:14,203 --> 00:30:19,687
I was really just creeped out
by how similar everything was.
549
00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:22,081
Everything that happened
back in her day
550
00:30:22,168 --> 00:30:25,519
was so...mirrored what was
going on in the early 2000s.
551
00:30:28,043 --> 00:30:30,350
This is a poem
by Dorothy Stratten.
552
00:30:30,437 --> 00:30:35,311
"It's here, everything,
553
00:30:35,442 --> 00:30:40,621
everything anyone ever dreamed
of and more, but love is lost.
554
00:30:40,751 --> 00:30:44,059
The only sacrifice
to live in this heaven,
555
00:30:44,190 --> 00:30:49,412
this Disneyland
where people are the games."
556
00:30:49,543 --> 00:30:51,719
- That--
- That describes it.
557
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:58,030
- I--
- I've never heard it described more...perfectly.
558
00:31:00,206 --> 00:31:03,731
[sighs]
It makes me feel really bad.
559
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:10,129
So many of those people
aren't with us anymore
560
00:31:10,259 --> 00:31:13,697
by their own choosing
561
00:31:13,784 --> 00:31:16,657
because they felt like that,
and they realized it.
562
00:31:16,744 --> 00:31:19,355
They found out that people
are the games.
563
00:31:19,486 --> 00:31:30,236
And one man got people to want
to play his games with us.
564
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:38,113
♪
565
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,988
Hugh Hefner held himself out as
this big lover, this bon vivant,
566
00:31:43,075 --> 00:31:46,382
you know, this person that--
that every man wanted to be.
567
00:31:46,513 --> 00:31:48,558
And here he was the lowest
568
00:31:48,645 --> 00:31:52,127
and the most vilest scum
on earth.
569
00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:55,304
I think he hated women
underneath it all.
570
00:31:55,391 --> 00:32:03,008
I've spoken to enough people,
interviewed enough that--
571
00:32:03,095 --> 00:32:05,749
that just seems to be the only
conclusion I can come up to.
572
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:10,754
People would ask me,
"Why did you keep going back?
573
00:32:10,885 --> 00:32:15,324
Why did you keep going back?"
574
00:32:15,455 --> 00:32:20,373
And I just--
I just think it was complete,
575
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:24,290
you want him
not to have ruined your life
576
00:32:24,377 --> 00:32:27,249
by also taking your employment.
577
00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:32,167
And I also thought
he probably had cameras
578
00:32:32,254 --> 00:32:33,647
in his room, you know?
579
00:32:35,257 --> 00:32:38,913
It haunted me that
he might have a video of me
580
00:32:39,044 --> 00:32:41,176
when he was on top of me.
581
00:32:41,263 --> 00:32:45,485
I pray that
because I was unconscious,
582
00:32:45,572 --> 00:32:49,968
he would not show it
to anyone because it's illegal.
583
00:32:50,055 --> 00:32:53,754
My saving thought is that
he had to have destroyed it
584
00:32:53,841 --> 00:32:58,237
because he's showing himself
committing a crime.
585
00:32:58,324 --> 00:33:00,326
And he had tapes on everybody.
586
00:33:00,413 --> 00:33:04,330
Anybody that walked
into that bedroom, disrobed,
587
00:33:04,417 --> 00:33:07,550
they have a tape on them.
They had a tape on them.
588
00:33:07,637 --> 00:33:11,206
They knew they were there,
and it kept everybody in line.
589
00:33:11,293 --> 00:33:13,121
They were fearful of it.
- What if--
- What if they got out?
590
00:33:13,252 --> 00:33:15,515
What if somebody saw them?
591
00:33:17,299 --> 00:33:20,476
I didn't get over what--
what happened in that bedroom.
592
00:33:20,563 --> 00:33:22,478
[sighs]
593
00:33:22,565 --> 00:33:28,397
I was disappointed in myself
that I...
594
00:33:28,484 --> 00:33:32,619
put myself in the position that
he could have had access to me.
595
00:33:32,706 --> 00:33:37,841
I had tried so hard for so long
to not be the stereotype.
596
00:33:37,928 --> 00:33:43,586
We all wanted to be
the perfect girl,
597
00:33:43,673 --> 00:33:46,546
not the messed up girl,
you know?
598
00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:52,726
[chuckles]
Yeah, who walks around naked.
599
00:33:52,856 --> 00:33:54,510
[scoffs]
600
00:33:54,597 --> 00:33:59,515
But... I'm better than
what happened to me.
601
00:33:59,602 --> 00:34:02,257
I'm valued. I'm loved.
602
00:34:02,344 --> 00:34:07,088
I'm very much expecting
to go to heaven.
603
00:34:07,175 --> 00:34:14,226
And I very much think
that I'm now safe in my home.
604
00:34:16,402 --> 00:34:19,579
♪
605
00:34:19,709 --> 00:34:21,842
10 years
after I broke up with Hef,
606
00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:24,453
I had managed to get married,
607
00:34:24,584 --> 00:34:26,673
and I was a mom,
608
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,808
and my life looked
pretty nice on visual.
609
00:34:31,895 --> 00:34:33,549
I really loved being a mom.
610
00:34:33,636 --> 00:34:36,683
[voice breaking]
I loved being a mom.
611
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:39,164
♪
612
00:34:39,251 --> 00:34:42,776
For a long time,
I spoke highly of Playboy.
613
00:34:42,863 --> 00:34:46,171
I could not have told anybody
the truth.
614
00:34:46,258 --> 00:34:50,000
Every Easter we would come up
for the Easter egg hunt
615
00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:52,002
'cause it was family-oriented.
616
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:58,313
I had pushed everything so back
so that my life could be normal.
617
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,229
I realized that
when it started getting dusk,
618
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,014
it was like something inside me,
a panic would start,
619
00:35:04,102 --> 00:35:07,496
and then I-I would want
a glass of wine or something.
620
00:35:07,627 --> 00:35:09,846
I needed to buff out
whatever was coming,
621
00:35:09,933 --> 00:35:14,590
and that's when thoughts would,
like--like a Rolodex of pictures
622
00:35:14,677 --> 00:35:16,810
just going...
[makes whirring sound]
623
00:35:16,897 --> 00:35:19,508
And things I had never
thought about for years,
624
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,511
moments that I wish
had never happened,
625
00:35:22,642 --> 00:35:24,252
I'd get a flash.
626
00:35:24,339 --> 00:35:28,474
♪
627
00:35:30,563 --> 00:35:33,348
And the only way to fix that
would be have a glass of wine,
628
00:35:33,435 --> 00:35:36,569
have a glass of wine,
and then I could numb it.
629
00:35:36,656 --> 00:35:38,658
I didn't have to think about it.
630
00:35:38,745 --> 00:35:43,750
And I feel bad for my part in it
that I could actually
631
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,797
ask girls to go upstairs
and have some cocaine with me.
632
00:35:47,884 --> 00:35:51,714
- And I was--
- I was reeling them in for him,
633
00:35:51,801 --> 00:35:55,022
and believe me, I...
634
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:58,112
if I could take it back,
I would take it all back.
635
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,810
♪
636
00:36:00,941 --> 00:36:05,119
I had this demon after me.
637
00:36:05,250 --> 00:36:08,731
I realized that I have
to take what happened to me
638
00:36:08,818 --> 00:36:13,693
and make something good
come out of it in the end.
639
00:36:16,739 --> 00:36:18,393
We can look at these.
640
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,658
In 2011,
Miki and I started talking,
641
00:36:22,745 --> 00:36:25,835
and once our eyes were open,
there was no turning back.
642
00:36:25,922 --> 00:36:29,883
You wrote me this--this
incredible, touching letter.
643
00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:33,582
What was so important to you
was about the sex tape.
644
00:36:33,669 --> 00:36:35,541
- Yes.
- Right.
645
00:36:35,628 --> 00:36:38,848
I told Miki, you know,
I'm worried about these tapes
646
00:36:38,935 --> 00:36:40,894
and what--what's gonna happen
to them.
647
00:36:40,981 --> 00:36:42,548
He was in his 80s.
648
00:36:42,635 --> 00:36:44,637
I mean, he could kick
the bucket at any time.
649
00:36:44,767 --> 00:36:46,160
That's correct.
650
00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:48,336
And then who would have
that key
651
00:36:48,423 --> 00:36:52,210
to open that panel
and get to those tapes?
652
00:36:52,297 --> 00:36:55,082
- We were working against time.
- Yeah.
653
00:36:55,169 --> 00:36:58,868
We started a letter-writing
campaign in 2011.
654
00:36:58,955 --> 00:37:01,219
She helped me write the letters.
655
00:37:01,306 --> 00:37:04,309
And I think Miki and I
were the first ones
656
00:37:04,396 --> 00:37:07,703
to just in his face,
go after him about the tapes.
657
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:09,531
We orchestrated
this whole game plan
658
00:37:09,618 --> 00:37:12,099
of if a tape got out,
659
00:37:12,186 --> 00:37:16,930
we would hold Hef
and/or Playboy accountable.
660
00:37:22,196 --> 00:37:25,591
You deserved an answer,
and by God, we got it.
661
00:37:25,721 --> 00:37:28,550
Miki and I were the first one to
nail him on the--on the tapes.
662
00:37:28,637 --> 00:37:31,945
We started
a letter-writing campaign.
663
00:37:32,032 --> 00:37:35,165
We caught one of Hef's lawyers
saying one thing
664
00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:37,516
and Hef saying another thing.
665
00:37:37,603 --> 00:37:39,561
That's when we had him.
666
00:37:39,648 --> 00:37:41,998
We had him, and he had--
he was forced
667
00:37:42,129 --> 00:37:45,132
to give us his last words
on those tapes,
668
00:37:45,219 --> 00:37:48,396
and we know what happened
to them.
669
00:37:48,483 --> 00:37:52,531
In the end, we got
Hugh Hefner's last words.
670
00:37:52,618 --> 00:37:54,750
Yeah.
671
00:37:54,837 --> 00:37:56,709
On what happened
to the sex tapes. Didn't we?
672
00:37:56,796 --> 00:37:58,928
Yeah.
673
00:37:59,015 --> 00:38:01,235
We were told that
it would be taken care of,
674
00:38:01,322 --> 00:38:04,020
that Mary was in charge.
675
00:38:04,107 --> 00:38:07,285
And if anything happened
to him, she knew what to do.
676
00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:11,724
That she was going
to destroy the tapes.
677
00:38:11,811 --> 00:38:13,769
I do have reason to believe
678
00:38:13,856 --> 00:38:17,295
that one of the video
department heads had a boat,
679
00:38:17,382 --> 00:38:19,688
and they put
all of those video tapes,
680
00:38:19,819 --> 00:38:21,342
after they had been pulled
from their cases,
681
00:38:21,473 --> 00:38:24,954
were then put in a barrel
and taken to sea.
682
00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:26,565
That's what I was told
was done with them,
683
00:38:26,652 --> 00:38:30,525
and I-I had reason
to believe that was true.
684
00:38:30,612 --> 00:38:34,268
Even then, I didn't believe that
he would destroy all of them.
685
00:38:34,355 --> 00:38:38,185
- He just--
- His ego would not destroy all the tapes.
686
00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:41,580
No, no.
687
00:38:41,667 --> 00:38:44,670
Even after all our letters,
there was no apology from him.
688
00:38:44,757 --> 00:38:46,628
You'd get a pat on the back.
689
00:38:46,715 --> 00:38:50,415
"Don't worry.
It'll all be okay."
690
00:38:50,502 --> 00:38:53,853
But no, he didn't
apologize for anything.
691
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:57,291
Hefner never wanted us
to be friends, right?
692
00:38:57,422 --> 00:38:59,337
- Yeah.
- And so then...
693
00:38:59,424 --> 00:39:00,642
Because you were crazy
and dangerous.
694
00:39:00,729 --> 00:39:02,165
- I was crazy and dangerous.
- Yeah.
695
00:39:02,252 --> 00:39:03,253
And now you've become crazy
and dangerous. [laughs]
696
00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:04,342
Now we're both crazy
and dangerous.
697
00:39:04,429 --> 00:39:05,952
All right.
698
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:10,826
Miki has been there for me
through so many things
699
00:39:10,913 --> 00:39:12,959
that I didn't have
the support of my family,
700
00:39:13,046 --> 00:39:16,354
I didn't have the encouragement.
701
00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:22,142
To find Sondra
after so many years in 2011,
702
00:39:22,229 --> 00:39:25,711
it was like striking gold,
really. [laughs]
703
00:39:25,798 --> 00:39:27,539
All right.
704
00:39:29,715 --> 00:39:36,069
I didn't meet P.J. until...
I think it was 2016.
705
00:39:36,156 --> 00:39:38,724
She asked me to partner
with her in this group
706
00:39:38,811 --> 00:39:43,119
that she started,
The Iconic Women of Playboy.
707
00:39:43,206 --> 00:39:47,167
She supported Sondra and I.
She put herself out on a limb,
708
00:39:47,254 --> 00:39:49,517
and this is a woman who survived
709
00:39:49,648 --> 00:39:53,129
a brutal rape by Bill Cosby,
Hefner's best friend.
710
00:39:53,216 --> 00:39:55,349
So it's the Bunny Mother,
711
00:39:55,436 --> 00:39:57,482
the Director
of Playboy Promotions,
712
00:39:57,569 --> 00:39:59,527
and the girlfriend of Hefner's.
713
00:39:59,614 --> 00:40:01,834
It's the first time ever
714
00:40:01,921 --> 00:40:05,098
that all of these worlds
collided together.
715
00:40:05,185 --> 00:40:07,230
- -
- Hello?
- Hi, Miki. It's P.J.
716
00:40:07,317 --> 00:40:09,624
Hi, P.J.
717
00:40:09,711 --> 00:40:14,063
In the end, we're just damn
lucky we got out of there
718
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:15,935
as normal as we could be...
[laughs]
719
00:40:16,022 --> 00:40:18,633
because not one of us
is normal. Not one of us.
720
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,855
It may be too late
to do much about us,
721
00:40:22,942 --> 00:40:25,423
but that shouldn't stop us.
722
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:28,687
I'm sure with this documentary,
723
00:40:28,774 --> 00:40:30,645
there's gonna be
a lot of women
724
00:40:30,732 --> 00:40:32,342
that have come out
of the woodwork with stories
725
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:35,998
that we haven't heard about yet.
726
00:40:36,085 --> 00:40:40,873
I hope that by coming out
with this that maybe other girls
727
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,266
can say, finally, you know,
728
00:40:43,353 --> 00:40:45,573
they acknowledge
that there was wrong
729
00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:47,270
and maybe they can let go
of that nightmare.
730
00:40:47,357 --> 00:40:50,056
I think women are getting
a bit smarter.
731
00:40:50,143 --> 00:40:53,494
I think they'll smell the rat.
732
00:40:53,581 --> 00:40:57,193
Now is the time.
We've got Me Too and Time's Up.
733
00:40:57,324 --> 00:40:58,673
For God's sakes,
734
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,980
it's time for the Playboy women
to come forward.
735
00:41:01,067 --> 00:41:05,375
It's amazing
that nobody ever talked
736
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:07,290
among their selves about it.
737
00:41:07,377 --> 00:41:10,250
I think Hef just knew
we wouldn't
738
00:41:10,337 --> 00:41:13,949
because we sort of
were suspicious of each other,
739
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,082
but it's gotta be told.
740
00:41:16,169 --> 00:41:20,390
I can't really explain to you
741
00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:22,610
how strong the feeling was
in me
742
00:41:22,697 --> 00:41:24,351
that I needed
to get my story out,
743
00:41:24,438 --> 00:41:28,094
so I wouldn't feel bound
to be living this lie
744
00:41:28,181 --> 00:41:30,879
where I constantly have to
apologize for him
745
00:41:30,966 --> 00:41:33,447
or say he's great
or say things were great
746
00:41:33,534 --> 00:41:34,753
when I was there,
when they weren't.
747
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,061
I don't have a problem
with speaking the truth.
748
00:41:39,148 --> 00:41:42,369
If people can't handle the
truth, I don't know what to say.
749
00:41:42,456 --> 00:41:46,634
Coming forward, I think
will be a cleansing for me.
750
00:41:46,721 --> 00:41:49,158
It's very difficult to think
of all my skeletons
751
00:41:49,245 --> 00:41:52,335
in everybody's living room
right now.
752
00:41:52,422 --> 00:41:55,164
Nobody wants to reveal
their secrets,
753
00:41:55,251 --> 00:41:57,297
but I wanted to make
a difference.
754
00:41:57,384 --> 00:41:59,517
It's got to make a difference.
755
00:41:59,604 --> 00:42:03,433
I'm hurt.
756
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:05,871
And I can't be alone
in this pain.
757
00:42:05,958 --> 00:42:07,612
I know I'm not.
758
00:42:07,699 --> 00:42:11,180
There are too many of us,
and I want to write some of it.
759
00:42:11,267 --> 00:42:14,923
I want it to go away,
and eventually, maybe it will.
760
00:42:15,054 --> 00:42:17,752
If enough women
tell me that it helped,
761
00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:19,493
maybe it will go away.
762
00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:23,018
♪
763
00:42:23,105 --> 00:42:26,500
Every man in the world would
say, "I want to be Hugh Hefner."
764
00:42:26,587 --> 00:42:30,373
They thought he had
the good life.
765
00:42:30,460 --> 00:42:38,381
Hefner was a sexual predator
that didn't care who he damaged.
766
00:42:38,468 --> 00:42:43,212
It was all about his power
and his prestige.
767
00:42:43,299 --> 00:42:46,868
We pulled the curtain back, Wizard.
768
00:42:46,955 --> 00:42:50,263
We know who you are.
We know who you were.
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