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Every community has secrets.
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Pocahontas is no different.
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But in Pocahontas,
there's been a lot of death
and murder,
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more than a town its size
should have.
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I feel like
Pocahontas has had a darkness
that's always gonna be here.
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There is a dark undercurrent.
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There's so many skeletons
in this town.
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I was advised that...
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...a man was dead.
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A very cold
and calculated killing.
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Two entry wounds to the head.
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He was shot
once in the face
and once in the neck.
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Point blank.
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He appeared
that he was awoken
from his sleep,
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and went to sit up,
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and was immediately shot
and, and fell back.
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It was shocking
the way that he died.
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Execution style death.
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It's just awful.
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Somebody wanted
him dead.
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The big question is why?
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The Black River flows
right through the middle
of Pocahontas.
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Northeast Arkansas,
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hour and a half
to two hours northwest
of where the Mississippi is.
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There's a lot of things
that people have tried
to keep hidden here.
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In my personal opinion,
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I think Pocahontas is cursed
by the Native American Indians
that were here.
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I believe that has a lot
to do with the black cloud
over Pocahontas.
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I'm a Native American myself,
and they were treated
very, very badly.
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I believe that's the reason
why Pocahontas is, um, cursed.
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Travis Perkins
was a big guy.
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He was funny. He was witty.
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He was always joking.
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He would say the lights
would flicker whenever
I would walk in the room,
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just kinda being shady
or something, you know?
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Like, there was something
shady with me.
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Just joking around
and stuff, though.
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One time he was calling
and I answered the phone,
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and he said,
"Darkness, is that you?"
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And that name just
kinda hung like Darkness.
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He'd always call me Darkness
then after that.
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It was so funny.
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Everybody liked him.
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Travis was the kind of guy
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you could call day or night
with any problem.
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You know good and well
he'll answer the phone
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and you know
he will come to help.
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He was married
for a while.
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Um, I don't know how long
or anything,
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but I know that they had kids.
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He didn't talk much about her
after they broke up.
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I know that it was
a painful breakup for Travis.
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It hurt him, you could tell
that that hurt him.
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And not being able
to see the kids, I think,
is what hurt him the most.
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And then all of a sudden,
he got in the drug game,
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and I guess maybe she knew.
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Life can be hard.
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There's not always
an opportunity
to make a decent living
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in a, in a small town.
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It's very limited sometimes.
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You know,
there's very easy money
to be made with drugs,
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especially in these
communities, fast money.
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I suspect
that Travis's divorce
started him going
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further into the drugs.
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And then Travis
started hanging out
with powerful people.
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Any time that you're involved
in, uh, illegal activity
in the drug world,
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you very quickly find yourself
surrounded by people
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who you thought
were your friends,
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and you realize
that they're not.
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I had many conversations
with Travis.
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He hated the life
that he was in.
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But he didn't see a way out.
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I was aware
of what was going on.
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Like I said, small town.
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They were all involved
in methamphetamine.
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It was a big corrupt,
corrupt mess.
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But there's a fear,
if I say anything,
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if, if I tried to mention this
to anybody,
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what's gonna happen to me?
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These are the people
that are responsible
for my, my freedoms,
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you know?
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And there's a fear
of retaliation.
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They were very
influential people
in positions of trust
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or authority.
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It was corruption.
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There's nothing good
about corruption.
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We received
information that a local
police chief's wife
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was involved in distributing methamphetamine.
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And she worked
in a law firm in Pocahontas.
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The FBI started
to investigate,
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and then the case
just kind of grew out of that.
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Travis Perkins found himself
right in the middle
of what was going on.
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He thought it through,
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and he was going to cooperate,
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tell the truth, and testify,
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and move on with his life.
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I received a phone call
that Travis Perkins
had been found dead.
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Travis is laying there,
uh, on the bed.
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His body was positioned
in such a way,
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it appeared as though
he was trying to stand up...
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...and greet someone.
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There were two
spent shell casings
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lying on the floor
of the apartment...
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...and two entry wounds
to the head.
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A very cold
and calculated killing.
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Travis Perkins
had been murdered.
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What we have is the outside
of Travis Perkins' house,
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and he lived
in a commercial building...
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...that was in
downtown Pocahontas.
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His door showed no signs
of forced entry.
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It was an abrupt killing.
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It was done at very,
very close range.
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There was no question
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that the individual
who entered his apartment
meant to kill him.
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It was senseless and tragic.
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Yeah, it was.
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We never got an exact
ballistics match
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because the bullets
were so damaged.
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There were no hairs,
or fibers, or a DNA,
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or anything else
that was recovered
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that was usable
from the crime scene
as to who had done it.
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I wept
because I'd lost
a good friend.
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I originally assumed
that it was some sort
of overdose or something.
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And then it comes out
that he was murdered.
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It broke my heart,
uh, to be honest.
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Travis Perkins,
we'd crossed paths
a few times.
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Of course,
certain circles are small.
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There was a rumor
that he knew too much
on certain people.
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And they, they tried
to keep him quiet.
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Travis was unfortunately
in the wrong place
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with the wrong people
at the wrong time.
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There were many theories.
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Are they all in this together?
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Are they covering
for each other?
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What was the motive
to get rid of Travis?
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There were a lot of questions.
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When you come
into this town
of course it's beautiful.
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It's a beautiful
little country town.
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There's a lot of history here.
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A lot of wonderful people.
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It's a small community
where everybody
pretty much knows everybody.
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But after dark,
that's when addiction
comes out
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'cause that's when people
are out stealing
to get their drugs.
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There's two communities
in this little town.
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There's what you see today,
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and then there's
what you don't see
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unless you're living
in that life.
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We started to try
to figure out what
was going on in his life
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that would 'cause
this to happen.
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We came to understand
that Travis, uh,
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would cook meth at, uh,
a number of rural locations.
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We eventually came to learn
that one of those locations
was Bob Castleman's farm.
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Bob's farm is about six miles
down a gravel road
off of a rural highway.
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It's in the middle of nowhere.
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Bob Castleman
was a well-known attorney
in Pocahontas.
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He had previously been
a municipal judge,
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and he had a reputation.
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Some people viewed him
as a person
who should not be crossed.
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I think Travis
was of that opinion too.
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Glen Smith was the chief
at Hoxie Police Department.
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Gets a tip from his friend
at the farm supplies store
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that a couple of individuals
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who looked to be buying
some meth precursors.
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Glen rolls out
to investigate it
and conducts a traffic stop.
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And who turns out
to be in the truck...
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...but Bob Castleman
and his girlfriend
Rebecca Spray.
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Rebecca Spray was maybe
about half his age.
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He was then about 60 or so.
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Uh, a much younger lady.
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When they
pulled us over,
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we'd pretty much had
a rolling meth lab
in his truck.
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Attempted manufacture
is a pretty serious charge.
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So, we both were arrested.
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It was huge.
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Bob was a former
municipal judge.
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We were just like...
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..."How does this happen?".
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Somebody with, uh,
education and influence
like Bob Castleman,
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it's fairly rare
that individuals
get into this...
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...seedier side
of their community.
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But it happens.
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And, um, methamphetamine
is a powerful drug.
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I met Bob
when I was 19, 2001.
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I was making meth,
and, uh, you know,
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pretty much, uh, selling it.
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And when I got caught up,
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I had to pay for a lawyer
to keep my son.
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And that's how I met Bob.
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Bob is like, "Sure,
I'd be glad to help you.
What do you got?"
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So, I told him
that I have like $1,200.
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He said,
"Well, that's a good start."
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I paid him at a nightclub.
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I've passed him money
under the table.
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And from that day on,
we was really tight.
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Following day,
execute a search warrant
on Bob's farm.
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Maybe 100, 150 yards
away from the house
in a wooded area,
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we found the evidence
we needed.
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A big meth lab.
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When you're
cooking meth,
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it has a very pungent
and distinct smell...
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...that you try to, uh,
avoid people smelling.
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And so, you know,
you needed that privacy
to make methamphetamine.
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It was an ideal spot
for manufacturing methamphetamine.
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Nobody would know
you were out there
unless you lived there.
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When we went
to Bob's farm
to search the premises,
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we found
Jerrod Castleman there...
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...the son of Bob Castleman.
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I interviewed him.
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He knew the game was over.
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As far as running
the operation,
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Jerrod and Travis
were working together.
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Um...
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From what I know,
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Travis Perkins would
manufacture the meth
at the farm.
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Um, and sometimes
even on the porch.
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I don't think he was coerced
into doing it.
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I think maybe he just
kind of found a friend group
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that took advantage
of the skills
that he had in that area,
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and he went with it.
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Travis was doing the cooking.
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Uh, Jerrod was helping
to provide chemicals.
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And Bob Castleman,
for the most part,
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was providing the, the space.
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Bob refused to cooperate
with law enforcement.
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I encouraged him to do so,
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but he declined.
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But Jerrod told me
some things of significance.
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He told us about
various drug activity
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involving higher-ups
in the community,
including law enforcement.
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They were people in positions
of trust or authority.
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The chief of police,
his brother was also
a law enforcement,
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and the police chief's wife.
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A local prosecutor
was brother to Bob Castleman.
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How can someone
be a law enforcement officer
for decades,
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uh, be trained in,
uh, drug crimes,
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and get involved
in illegal drug activity?
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I don't know
that you can trust
law enforcement
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after something like that.
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This case was very covert.
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Uh, and we had to
investigate it
behind the scenes.
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If we had walked down
to the Pocahontas
Police Department
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and said, "Excuse me, sir,
uh, we are investigating
some of you
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for connections
of illegal drug activity,"
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our chances of gathering
any evidence
245
00:18:44,103 --> 00:18:45,724
would have been, uh,
greatly curtailed.
246
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We know the people
that's involved,
but we needed evidence.
247
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So, we placed
surveillance cameras on law
via a district judge.
248
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The police chief's wife
worked in that office.
249
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They quickly came
to reveal the pattern
of activity.
250
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Travis would, uh,
deliver one gram of meth,
251
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uh, and place it
in the flower bed.
252
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And that, uh,
she would also pay Travis,
253
00:19:31,172 --> 00:19:34,793
through the same
dead rot method,
$100 for each gram of meth.
254
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After dark, the truck arrived
in an empty parking lot.
255
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The big figure
gets out of the truck,
256
00:19:46,206 --> 00:19:47,862
and he'd saunter over there.
257
00:19:50,241 --> 00:19:51,620
It was Travis Perkins.
258
00:19:57,241 --> 00:20:00,206
So, we watched
Travis Perkins' home.
259
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- This was
the drug house.
- Mmm-hmm.
260
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And it's only, uh, two blocks
from the police department.
261
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He's supplying
the chief's wife with meth.
262
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That... That threatens
the community as a whole.
263
00:20:22,793 --> 00:20:24,482
When we gathered
enough evidence,
264
00:20:24,482 --> 00:20:28,586
there was
a [indistinct] issued
for Bob Castleman,
265
00:20:29,793 --> 00:20:32,448
his son Jerrod Castleman,
266
00:20:32,448 --> 00:20:35,172
Travis Perkins, Rebecca Spray,
267
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:39,068
and police chief's wife,
and others.
268
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Chief of police was put
on administrative leave.
269
00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:51,275
It was big news that the FBI
had come to town.
270
00:21:02,896 --> 00:21:04,551
That was a huge bombshell.
271
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The FBI
does not indict you
272
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unless they know
they're gonna win.
273
00:21:09,793 --> 00:21:11,275
They're not gonna
indict you and say,
274
00:21:11,275 --> 00:21:13,413
"Well, we'll take our chances
in court."
275
00:21:13,413 --> 00:21:15,862
That's not the way
the FBI works.
276
00:21:15,862 --> 00:21:18,551
They know they're gonna win
when they come after you.
277
00:21:19,689 --> 00:21:22,379
People in Pocahontas
were horrified.
278
00:21:23,172 --> 00:21:24,758
No one saw that coming.
279
00:21:24,758 --> 00:21:27,137
You know, can you
trust anything
the police says?
280
00:21:54,862 --> 00:21:58,689
When we gathered
enough evidence
from all these people
281
00:21:58,689 --> 00:22:01,379
that we heard was involved,
282
00:22:01,379 --> 00:22:03,965
we submit
to the US attorney's office.
283
00:22:05,827 --> 00:22:08,827
Now, there wasn't time
to arrest them.
284
00:22:12,379 --> 00:22:14,344
It was about
seven o'clock in the morning
285
00:22:14,344 --> 00:22:16,413
Me and Bob were still in bed,
and, uh,
286
00:22:16,413 --> 00:22:18,206
knock on the door
was the sheriff's department
287
00:22:18,206 --> 00:22:20,310
and then a couple
of other FBI agents.
288
00:22:22,655 --> 00:22:24,275
I've never been
federally indicted.
289
00:22:24,275 --> 00:22:26,241
I thought I was
going to prison
for the rest of my life.
290
00:22:28,586 --> 00:22:30,620
I had Jerrod telling me like,
"Why don't you just say
291
00:22:30,620 --> 00:22:32,068
that Bob was
cooking the dope?"
292
00:22:32,068 --> 00:22:34,137
I would never say anything
that was incriminating him.
293
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,206
Travis was the one
that was in charge.
294
00:22:41,206 --> 00:22:44,137
He was a good man.
He planned on like
making it, you know?
295
00:22:48,068 --> 00:22:50,000
Bob's never made meth
in his life.
296
00:22:50,655 --> 00:22:51,793
It was all Travis.
297
00:22:52,448 --> 00:22:53,655
Bob had nothing to do with it.
298
00:23:09,689 --> 00:23:10,655
Very eye-opening.
299
00:23:12,172 --> 00:23:13,137
Very alarming.
300
00:23:14,793 --> 00:23:16,310
It was definitely like a bomb
went off in town.
301
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:18,137
I mean, the whole town
was talking,
302
00:23:18,137 --> 00:23:19,896
and there was
so much speculation.
303
00:23:25,034 --> 00:23:27,965
There's no crime
more disgusting
than crime by people
304
00:23:27,965 --> 00:23:30,000
who are supposed to be
upholding the law.
305
00:23:32,655 --> 00:23:34,137
It definitely, uh,
changed the way
306
00:23:34,137 --> 00:23:36,000
that people view
people in authority.
307
00:23:53,724 --> 00:23:54,965
I received threats,
308
00:23:54,965 --> 00:23:56,551
that I needed to be careful,
309
00:23:56,551 --> 00:23:59,034
that I don't know
who I'm messing with.
310
00:23:59,034 --> 00:24:01,275
It was a very worrying time.
311
00:24:01,275 --> 00:24:02,931
It was a very concerning time.
312
00:24:02,931 --> 00:24:07,034
But I'm not gonna let
someone intimidate me.
313
00:24:07,034 --> 00:24:08,724
I'm not gonna live in fear.
314
00:24:08,724 --> 00:24:11,620
I'm not wanting to let it
affect me doing my duty.
315
00:24:25,034 --> 00:24:28,241
Before he was indicted,
everybody liked Travis.
316
00:24:28,241 --> 00:24:30,482
He had as much drugs
as anybody wanted or needed.
317
00:24:31,689 --> 00:24:33,482
You know,
he had a lot of money.
318
00:24:33,482 --> 00:24:34,931
He could sling
that money around.
319
00:24:37,931 --> 00:24:39,655
After he was busted,
320
00:24:39,655 --> 00:24:42,034
Travis's life changed
in the snap of a finger.
321
00:24:43,448 --> 00:24:45,379
Nobody wanted
to be around him.
322
00:24:47,965 --> 00:24:49,172
He didn't' have any drugs,
323
00:24:49,172 --> 00:24:50,896
and he didn't have
any money anymore.
324
00:24:52,241 --> 00:24:53,482
He just felt lonely.
325
00:24:56,068 --> 00:24:59,758
That Christmas I remember
I texted him to see
how he was doing.
326
00:24:59,758 --> 00:25:03,103
And he was alone,
and it just broke my heart.
327
00:25:03,103 --> 00:25:05,310
So, I went over there
with the Christmas dinner.
328
00:25:07,344 --> 00:25:09,103
He had tears in his eyes,
and he was just...
329
00:25:09,103 --> 00:25:10,965
I was like, "Nobody cared."
330
00:25:10,965 --> 00:25:13,482
He didn't have anything
anybody wanted anymore.
331
00:25:16,379 --> 00:25:17,758
And he was scared.
332
00:25:37,517 --> 00:25:41,241
When I heard
the tragic news that Travis
had been murdered...
333
00:25:43,344 --> 00:25:46,103
I was very surprised.
334
00:25:46,103 --> 00:25:49,413
This really, really changed
the, the nature
of what the case was.
335
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,034
There was a lot
of speculation.
336
00:25:54,586 --> 00:25:55,862
Who killed Travis?
337
00:26:06,103 --> 00:26:08,137
Who had a motive?
338
00:26:08,137 --> 00:26:13,000
The FBI and the local
law enforcement did follow
a number of different leads,
339
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,172
but there just wasn't anything
that materialized.
340
00:26:16,172 --> 00:26:20,310
The only motives that we had
that made sense
were within the case.
341
00:26:22,689 --> 00:26:24,517
As we were approaching
the trial date,
342
00:26:24,517 --> 00:26:26,689
most of the defendants
pleaded guilty.
343
00:26:28,724 --> 00:26:32,724
Jerrod and Bob
were the final two defendants
that had yet to do that.
344
00:26:34,068 --> 00:26:36,310
Bob and Jerrod
had a reputation
345
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:40,827
of taking the law
into their own hands
to protect each other.
346
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:45,586
They sent a live
copperhead snake
through the mail
347
00:26:45,586 --> 00:26:49,172
over a small
financial dispute.
348
00:26:49,172 --> 00:26:52,517
A copperhead is a venomous
pet viper.
349
00:26:53,793 --> 00:26:56,448
Bob takes it,
puts it in a box,
350
00:26:56,448 --> 00:26:59,275
puts some Styrofoam peanuts
in with it,
351
00:27:00,310 --> 00:27:05,620
wraps it up, mails it to this,
this individual.
352
00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:09,655
The wife comes home from work.
She puts the mail in her car.
353
00:27:09,655 --> 00:27:13,517
Goes up to the carport
and opens the box.
354
00:27:13,517 --> 00:27:16,068
And as she opens the box
the snake came out.
355
00:27:17,448 --> 00:27:20,241
It's a very aggravated snake
at this point.
356
00:27:20,241 --> 00:27:21,482
Not happy.
357
00:27:24,413 --> 00:27:28,931
The sheriff's office arrived
and, uh, killed the snake
with a shotgun.
358
00:27:28,931 --> 00:27:29,931
They blew its head off.
359
00:27:32,344 --> 00:27:34,827
You literally cannot mail
a poisonous snake.
360
00:27:35,689 --> 00:27:36,896
It was mind-boggling.
361
00:27:37,793 --> 00:27:39,965
How can someone
get involved in this?
362
00:27:39,965 --> 00:27:42,448
Someone, you know,
who had been a judge,
who'd been an attorney,
363
00:27:42,448 --> 00:27:44,965
someone who was smart enough
to know better than do that.
364
00:28:08,551 --> 00:28:10,241
His whole life
fell apart.
365
00:28:10,241 --> 00:28:11,965
Started with
the snake incident...
366
00:28:14,068 --> 00:28:16,344
...and went downhill
from there.
367
00:28:16,344 --> 00:28:18,206
He was no longer
able to practice law.
368
00:28:20,241 --> 00:28:23,000
So, both Bob and Jerrod
were convicted felons.
369
00:28:24,896 --> 00:28:29,137
And Travis was witness
to the illegal drug activity.
370
00:28:29,137 --> 00:28:31,379
So, Bob and Jerrod
had a motive.
371
00:28:35,896 --> 00:28:40,551
About a week before
Travis Perkins was
going to testify,
372
00:28:40,551 --> 00:28:42,344
that's the week
in which the murder happened.
373
00:28:45,034 --> 00:28:47,655
Either one
could have shot Travis Perkins
twice in the head.
374
00:28:48,655 --> 00:28:50,517
Murder is an extreme act.
375
00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:56,655
But Jerrod and Bob
were staring at long
prison sentences
376
00:28:56,655 --> 00:29:01,344
for conspiracy to manufacture methamphetamine.
377
00:29:02,379 --> 00:29:04,172
What's the saying?
378
00:29:04,172 --> 00:29:07,620
"There's no man more dangerous
than a man who has
nothing to lose."
379
00:29:56,379 --> 00:30:00,724
Bob Castleman and Jerrod
were recorded
discussing the case,
380
00:30:00,724 --> 00:30:03,586
discussing, you know,
who was going to plead
and not plead,
381
00:30:03,586 --> 00:30:07,896
and, and discussing
that they hoped that Travis
would not turn on them.
382
00:30:09,896 --> 00:30:14,689
The prime suspect
for Travis Perkins' murder
were Bob and Jerrod Castleman.
383
00:30:17,827 --> 00:30:20,896
But Jerrod couldn't
have done it
384
00:30:20,896 --> 00:30:24,896
'cause Jerrod was in jail
for violating his
supervised release.
385
00:30:26,344 --> 00:30:28,655
We ruled Jerrod
out of the equation.
386
00:30:31,034 --> 00:30:34,068
So, I began paying
very close attention to Bob.
387
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,758
Bob had a reputation
of being a vengeful person.
388
00:30:38,758 --> 00:30:43,551
And he had much to gain
by Travis not being available
for trial.
389
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,379
A second-grader
could have figured out
the motive.
390
00:30:48,379 --> 00:30:49,862
That's a no-brainer.
391
00:30:52,275 --> 00:30:56,206
Uh, when I heard
that Bob was accused
of Travis Perkins' murder,
392
00:30:56,206 --> 00:30:59,448
I was scared, but I was like,
"Well, they gotta know
that he didn't do it."
393
00:31:08,827 --> 00:31:12,931
Then the, uh, lady,
uh, by the name of Kim Caudle
394
00:31:12,931 --> 00:31:16,793
uh, told us that the night
of Travis's death...
395
00:31:17,862 --> 00:31:20,241
...Bob had taken her,
396
00:31:20,241 --> 00:31:24,620
uh, down to the dog track
in West Memphis.
397
00:31:34,275 --> 00:31:36,862
We were able to substantiate
with phone records
398
00:31:36,862 --> 00:31:40,068
that Bob's phone
was at the dog track
back in West Memphis
399
00:31:40,068 --> 00:31:41,172
the entire evening.
400
00:31:44,517 --> 00:31:46,689
So,
as it came to pass,
401
00:31:46,689 --> 00:31:48,758
Bob also had an alibi.
402
00:31:51,172 --> 00:31:53,724
The whole thing
is just bizarre.
403
00:31:53,724 --> 00:31:56,793
You get to a point
where nothing surprises you.
404
00:31:59,206 --> 00:32:02,862
Everybody was in a tight spot
because of what was
going on here.
405
00:32:07,655 --> 00:32:10,689
But then Jerrod
decided to testify.
406
00:32:14,103 --> 00:32:16,655
His attorney
approached us about,
407
00:32:16,655 --> 00:32:19,310
uh, Jerrod offering
some very valuable information.
408
00:32:21,413 --> 00:32:23,758
It has to do
with Travis's murder.
409
00:32:23,758 --> 00:32:27,551
And he would have
taken the witness stand
the following day.
410
00:32:27,551 --> 00:32:29,896
When we arrived
that morning for court
411
00:32:29,896 --> 00:32:32,448
and we were told
by the US Marshals
412
00:32:32,448 --> 00:32:34,586
that there had been
an incident at the jail...
413
00:32:40,379 --> 00:32:44,172
...immediately we started
to try to figure out
what happened.
414
00:32:45,965 --> 00:32:48,172
Then we got the news.
415
00:32:48,172 --> 00:32:53,172
Bob Castleman had taken
a big razor
and tried to kill himself.
416
00:32:59,068 --> 00:33:01,103
Bob said to me,
"If anything was to happen
417
00:33:01,103 --> 00:33:05,034
and you felt like, you know,
this was all gonna go south,
he would end it himself."
418
00:33:08,482 --> 00:33:13,586
There's no way to know
whether Bob was seriously
trying to kill himself,
419
00:33:13,586 --> 00:33:15,965
or whether he was trying
to delay the trial.
420
00:33:15,965 --> 00:33:17,758
And Jerrod's testimony...
421
00:33:19,379 --> 00:33:21,931
...about Mr. Castleman
wasn't very successful.
422
00:33:22,793 --> 00:33:24,517
But he did require
some stitches.
423
00:33:24,517 --> 00:33:26,724
So, we recessed court,
424
00:33:26,724 --> 00:33:28,965
I believe until
the next morning,
425
00:33:28,965 --> 00:33:32,206
um, for him
to be taken care of
and then return.
426
00:33:35,827 --> 00:33:38,275
They were staring
at long prison sentences.
427
00:33:38,275 --> 00:33:40,827
For Bob, it probably
will be a life sentence.
428
00:33:40,827 --> 00:33:46,551
Jerrod was still at this point
mid-20s, late-20s.
429
00:33:46,551 --> 00:33:49,448
So, probably would not be
a life sentence for him.
430
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,827
Jerrod had to make
a Hobson's choice here.
431
00:34:27,827 --> 00:34:33,241
Um, do I tell what I know
and set my moral
conscience right
432
00:34:33,241 --> 00:34:36,241
and set, set it right
for Travis?
433
00:34:36,241 --> 00:34:38,448
And do I do that
at the expense of my father?
434
00:35:08,172 --> 00:35:11,655
I was there when Jerrod
testified against his father.
435
00:35:13,896 --> 00:35:17,793
I was really surprised
when Jerrod turned on his dad.
436
00:35:17,793 --> 00:35:20,034
That was not
what I was expecting.
437
00:35:23,689 --> 00:35:27,655
He said his father
confessed to him
that he did it.
438
00:35:27,655 --> 00:35:32,172
He had taken care of business
and got rid of Travis Perkins.
439
00:35:33,517 --> 00:35:38,275
It was always our feeling
that Jerrod was bothered
440
00:35:38,275 --> 00:35:40,965
by what had happened
to Travis Perkins.
441
00:35:40,965 --> 00:35:43,000
He was a close friend
to Jerrod.
442
00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:47,310
And Jerrod's moral compass...
443
00:35:47,310 --> 00:35:50,517
...said that that's wrong.
"I can't let that happen."
444
00:35:55,103 --> 00:36:00,103
Bob had taken great lengths
to cover up his involvement
in that shooting.
445
00:36:01,793 --> 00:36:05,586
One was going
with Miss Caudle
to the race track.
446
00:36:07,379 --> 00:36:09,000
Then he left his phone
with her
447
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,137
so that it could not be traced
to the murder scene...
448
00:36:13,827 --> 00:36:16,551
...and drove
from the dog track
back to Pocahontas.
449
00:36:17,655 --> 00:36:20,896
It was in the wee hours
of the morning.
450
00:36:20,896 --> 00:36:24,724
And Travis lived downtown
in that commercial building.
451
00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:27,068
Um, so it's not surprising
that nobody saw Bob.
452
00:36:30,931 --> 00:36:32,931
There was no evidence
of a forced entry,
453
00:36:32,931 --> 00:36:35,137
so it's quite likely
that his door was open
that night.
454
00:36:37,344 --> 00:36:39,758
One of the things
that was not publicly known...
455
00:36:41,206 --> 00:36:43,931
...was that Travis Perkins
was shot twice.
456
00:36:47,965 --> 00:36:49,724
And the fact that Jerrod knew,
457
00:36:49,724 --> 00:36:52,379
would corroborate that Bob
had actually shot him,
458
00:36:52,379 --> 00:36:53,827
and told Jerrod the story.
459
00:36:58,379 --> 00:37:02,310
FBI determined
that Jerrod Castleman
and Bob Castleman
460
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:04,758
both had 9-millimeter
Glock firearms.
461
00:37:04,758 --> 00:37:08,137
Um, same class of firearms
that could have fired
that bullet.
462
00:37:09,896 --> 00:37:12,620
Bob then returned
to the dog track that evening.
463
00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:25,862
In his sentencing,
Jerrod got greater
than a 50% reduction.
464
00:37:27,448 --> 00:37:30,379
Got the best deal
that I've ever seen
anyone get.
465
00:37:30,379 --> 00:37:32,413
No one was ever charged
for the murder.
466
00:37:34,482 --> 00:37:36,931
The jury
was not asked to find
467
00:37:36,931 --> 00:37:40,448
whether or not Bob Castleman
had murdered Travis Perkins.
468
00:37:40,448 --> 00:37:44,551
They were simply asked to find
whether or not he was guilty
of the drug conspiracy.
469
00:37:46,103 --> 00:37:48,862
And we presented
the murder evidence
470
00:37:48,862 --> 00:37:53,586
as evidence of why
Travis Perkins was murdered.
471
00:38:05,896 --> 00:38:08,758
They didn't
have enough to get him
for Travis's murder.
472
00:38:08,758 --> 00:38:13,551
So, he got a huge sentence
for this drug involvement.
473
00:38:25,206 --> 00:38:27,344
This call
is from a federal prison.
474
00:38:27,344 --> 00:38:28,586
This call is from...
475
00:38:28,586 --> 00:38:29,724
...Bob Castleman.
476
00:39:39,689 --> 00:39:42,172
You know,
there was no getting out of it
no more.
477
00:39:42,172 --> 00:39:44,137
So it's time to come clean
I guess, you know.
478
00:39:45,241 --> 00:39:47,172
His dad didn't want him to lie
479
00:39:47,172 --> 00:39:49,482
and get himself
into any more trouble.
480
00:39:49,482 --> 00:39:51,172
They were very close, I know.
481
00:39:51,172 --> 00:39:53,206
Jerrod and Bob were close,
they were.
482
00:39:53,206 --> 00:39:56,862
But I absolutely think
that Bob killed him.
483
00:40:01,241 --> 00:40:03,310
There's definitely
a rumor that goes around town
484
00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:06,068
that Bob took the fall
for Jerrod. Um,
485
00:40:06,068 --> 00:40:08,344
Bob and Jerrod
went to a lot of lengths
486
00:40:08,344 --> 00:40:10,896
and had a reputation
of what lengths
they would go to
487
00:40:10,896 --> 00:40:13,275
to protect one another
over the years.
488
00:40:13,275 --> 00:40:17,862
And for that to be
the final chapter of the story
is somewhat ironic.
489
00:40:21,137 --> 00:40:25,206
When we heard
the news of Bob
and he was being convicted,
490
00:40:25,206 --> 00:40:27,896
people were astonished.
491
00:40:27,896 --> 00:40:30,275
For our small rural community,
it was big news.
492
00:40:35,241 --> 00:40:38,172
It went a long way
to rid ourselves
493
00:40:38,172 --> 00:40:41,034
with what potential corruption
that we might have had.
494
00:40:41,034 --> 00:40:43,655
I'm proud we did what we did.
495
00:40:43,655 --> 00:40:46,137
I think it was necessary.
I think it was needed.
496
00:40:53,344 --> 00:40:57,758
It does show
that nobody is immune
from breaking the law.
497
00:40:57,758 --> 00:41:00,551
But it also shows
that nobody is immune
from being prosecuted.
498
00:41:02,758 --> 00:41:03,931
Yeah,
I miss him a lot.
499
00:41:05,344 --> 00:41:07,586
Terribly.
500
00:41:07,586 --> 00:41:12,931
I got, um... My second tattoo
was, um, his initials on my,
my ass cheek, you know.
501
00:41:12,931 --> 00:41:14,000
But, uh...
502
00:41:16,965 --> 00:41:19,241
So, yeah, I miss him a lot.
503
00:41:22,862 --> 00:41:25,827
Bob asked me to marry him
several different times,
you know,
504
00:41:25,827 --> 00:41:27,551
and I, you know,
I was still young.
505
00:41:27,551 --> 00:41:29,965
and I didn't really wanna
settle down.
506
00:41:29,965 --> 00:41:31,206
But, um, I wish I had have.
507
00:41:32,758 --> 00:41:35,241
Maybe it would change
the whole outcome
of everything.
508
00:41:39,103 --> 00:41:43,206
It's been a dark time
and a dark cloud over our,
uh, community.
509
00:41:43,206 --> 00:41:45,310
It's very, very sad
that Travis had passed
510
00:41:45,310 --> 00:41:46,862
and that he had passed
in such an awful way.
511
00:41:50,172 --> 00:41:54,827
It's just sad.
It just breaks my heart still
for Travis.
512
00:41:54,827 --> 00:41:56,620
And I can't imagine
what he went through.
513
00:41:57,965 --> 00:42:00,172
You know,
those last moments, I...
514
00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:02,724
It's just awful.
515
00:42:04,344 --> 00:42:06,413
But I like to think
he's in a better place
516
00:42:06,413 --> 00:42:08,241
is how I have to
kind of think about it.
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