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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:24,448 --> 00:00:27,068 Every community has secrets. 2 00:00:29,965 --> 00:00:32,137 Pocahontas is no different. 3 00:00:32,137 --> 00:00:37,241 But in Pocahontas, there's been a lot of death and murder, 4 00:00:37,241 --> 00:00:39,827 more than a town its size should have. 5 00:00:42,241 --> 00:00:46,517 I feel like Pocahontas has had a darkness that's always gonna be here. 6 00:00:46,517 --> 00:00:49,586 There is a dark undercurrent. 7 00:00:49,586 --> 00:00:51,724 There's so many skeletons in this town. 8 00:00:56,137 --> 00:00:57,344 I was advised that... 9 00:00:59,206 --> 00:01:00,758 ...a man was dead. 10 00:01:03,655 --> 00:01:05,689 A very cold and calculated killing. 11 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,827 Two entry wounds to the head. 12 00:01:13,620 --> 00:01:16,068 He was shot once in the face and once in the neck. 13 00:01:16,068 --> 00:01:17,344 Point blank. 14 00:01:21,482 --> 00:01:23,965 He appeared that he was awoken from his sleep, 15 00:01:23,965 --> 00:01:26,034 and went to sit up, 16 00:01:26,034 --> 00:01:29,310 and was immediately shot and, and fell back. 17 00:01:31,620 --> 00:01:33,655 It was shocking the way that he died. 18 00:01:33,655 --> 00:01:35,310 Execution style death. 19 00:01:36,137 --> 00:01:37,206 It's just awful. 20 00:01:38,206 --> 00:01:39,758 Somebody wanted him dead. 21 00:01:41,137 --> 00:01:43,034 The big question is why? 22 00:02:24,758 --> 00:02:28,275 The Black River flows right through the middle of Pocahontas. 23 00:02:29,655 --> 00:02:31,137 Northeast Arkansas, 24 00:02:31,137 --> 00:02:33,896 hour and a half to two hours northwest of where the Mississippi is. 25 00:02:36,793 --> 00:02:40,379 There's a lot of things that people have tried to keep hidden here. 26 00:02:44,172 --> 00:02:45,724 In my personal opinion, 27 00:02:45,724 --> 00:02:50,379 I think Pocahontas is cursed by the Native American Indians that were here. 28 00:02:50,379 --> 00:02:55,655 I believe that has a lot to do with the black cloud over Pocahontas. 29 00:02:55,655 --> 00:02:59,413 I'm a Native American myself, and they were treated very, very badly. 30 00:02:59,413 --> 00:03:03,068 I believe that's the reason why Pocahontas is, um, cursed. 31 00:03:23,827 --> 00:03:25,482 Travis Perkins was a big guy. 32 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:27,655 He was funny. He was witty. 33 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,137 He was always joking. 34 00:03:32,689 --> 00:03:35,241 He would say the lights would flicker whenever I would walk in the room, 35 00:03:35,241 --> 00:03:37,103 just kinda being shady or something, you know? 36 00:03:37,103 --> 00:03:38,862 Like, there was something shady with me. 37 00:03:38,862 --> 00:03:40,931 Just joking around and stuff, though. 38 00:03:43,103 --> 00:03:45,137 One time he was calling and I answered the phone, 39 00:03:45,137 --> 00:03:47,068 and he said, "Darkness, is that you?" 40 00:03:47,068 --> 00:03:49,724 And that name just kinda hung like Darkness. 41 00:03:49,724 --> 00:03:51,793 He'd always call me Darkness then after that. 42 00:03:51,793 --> 00:03:52,896 It was so funny. 43 00:03:52,896 --> 00:03:54,931 Everybody liked him. 44 00:03:58,793 --> 00:04:00,034 Travis was the kind of guy 45 00:04:00,034 --> 00:04:02,241 you could call day or night with any problem. 46 00:04:02,241 --> 00:04:03,758 You know good and well he'll answer the phone 47 00:04:03,758 --> 00:04:04,896 and you know he will come to help. 48 00:04:07,310 --> 00:04:08,793 He was married for a while. 49 00:04:08,793 --> 00:04:10,586 Um, I don't know how long or anything, 50 00:04:10,586 --> 00:04:12,482 but I know that they had kids. 51 00:04:14,137 --> 00:04:17,000 He didn't talk much about her after they broke up. 52 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,034 I know that it was a painful breakup for Travis. 53 00:04:20,034 --> 00:04:22,068 It hurt him, you could tell that that hurt him. 54 00:04:22,068 --> 00:04:25,551 And not being able to see the kids, I think, is what hurt him the most. 55 00:04:28,241 --> 00:04:30,310 And then all of a sudden, he got in the drug game, 56 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:33,241 and I guess maybe she knew. 57 00:04:41,344 --> 00:04:43,517 Life can be hard. 58 00:04:43,517 --> 00:04:46,344 There's not always an opportunity to make a decent living 59 00:04:46,344 --> 00:04:47,620 in a, in a small town. 60 00:04:47,620 --> 00:04:50,137 It's very limited sometimes. 61 00:04:50,137 --> 00:04:53,517 You know, there's very easy money to be made with drugs, 62 00:04:53,517 --> 00:04:55,586 especially in these communities, fast money. 63 00:04:58,310 --> 00:05:01,275 I suspect that Travis's divorce started him going 64 00:05:01,275 --> 00:05:03,862 further into the drugs. 65 00:05:03,862 --> 00:05:06,482 And then Travis started hanging out with powerful people. 66 00:05:08,689 --> 00:05:13,137 Any time that you're involved in, uh, illegal activity in the drug world, 67 00:05:13,137 --> 00:05:16,896 you very quickly find yourself surrounded by people 68 00:05:16,896 --> 00:05:18,965 who you thought were your friends, 69 00:05:18,965 --> 00:05:20,379 and you realize that they're not. 70 00:05:23,620 --> 00:05:25,620 I had many conversations with Travis. 71 00:05:25,620 --> 00:05:27,965 He hated the life that he was in. 72 00:05:27,965 --> 00:05:29,241 But he didn't see a way out. 73 00:05:31,068 --> 00:05:32,758 I was aware of what was going on. 74 00:05:32,758 --> 00:05:34,586 Like I said, small town. 75 00:05:34,586 --> 00:05:36,275 They were all involved in methamphetamine. 76 00:05:36,275 --> 00:05:39,448 It was a big corrupt, corrupt mess. 77 00:05:42,241 --> 00:05:45,931 But there's a fear, if I say anything, 78 00:05:46,965 --> 00:05:49,448 if, if I tried to mention this to anybody, 79 00:05:49,448 --> 00:05:50,517 what's gonna happen to me? 80 00:05:52,896 --> 00:05:57,310 These are the people that are responsible for my, my freedoms, 81 00:05:57,310 --> 00:05:58,586 you know? 82 00:05:58,586 --> 00:06:00,862 And there's a fear of retaliation. 83 00:06:05,896 --> 00:06:10,448 They were very influential people in positions of trust 84 00:06:10,448 --> 00:06:11,448 or authority. 85 00:06:12,172 --> 00:06:14,000 It was corruption. 86 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,551 There's nothing good about corruption. 87 00:06:28,620 --> 00:06:33,379 We received information that a local police chief's wife 88 00:06:33,379 --> 00:06:36,172 was involved in distributing methamphetamine. 89 00:06:36,172 --> 00:06:39,413 And she worked in a law firm in Pocahontas. 90 00:06:40,448 --> 00:06:43,344 The FBI started to investigate, 91 00:06:43,344 --> 00:06:46,310 and then the case just kind of grew out of that. 92 00:06:46,310 --> 00:06:49,620 Travis Perkins found himself right in the middle of what was going on. 93 00:06:51,620 --> 00:06:52,724 He thought it through, 94 00:06:52,724 --> 00:06:54,724 and he was going to cooperate, 95 00:06:54,724 --> 00:06:57,172 tell the truth, and testify, 96 00:06:57,172 --> 00:06:58,379 and move on with his life. 97 00:07:22,137 --> 00:07:27,517 I received a phone call that Travis Perkins had been found dead. 98 00:07:38,793 --> 00:07:42,413 Travis is laying there, uh, on the bed. 99 00:07:46,379 --> 00:07:48,827 His body was positioned in such a way, 100 00:07:48,827 --> 00:07:52,482 it appeared as though he was trying to stand up... 101 00:07:53,689 --> 00:07:55,931 ...and greet someone. 102 00:08:03,379 --> 00:08:06,551 There were two spent shell casings 103 00:08:06,551 --> 00:08:08,344 lying on the floor of the apartment... 104 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,034 ...and two entry wounds to the head. 105 00:08:13,103 --> 00:08:15,137 A very cold and calculated killing. 106 00:08:17,448 --> 00:08:19,241 Travis Perkins had been murdered. 107 00:08:23,344 --> 00:08:26,862 What we have is the outside of Travis Perkins' house, 108 00:08:26,862 --> 00:08:29,482 and he lived in a commercial building... 109 00:08:30,965 --> 00:08:33,172 ...that was in downtown Pocahontas. 110 00:08:35,344 --> 00:08:38,413 His door showed no signs of forced entry. 111 00:08:43,655 --> 00:08:44,827 It was an abrupt killing. 112 00:08:44,827 --> 00:08:47,793 It was done at very, very close range. 113 00:08:47,793 --> 00:08:49,206 There was no question 114 00:08:49,206 --> 00:08:51,448 that the individual who entered his apartment meant to kill him. 115 00:08:54,758 --> 00:08:56,000 It was senseless and tragic. 116 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,241 Yeah, it was. 117 00:09:04,551 --> 00:09:07,379 We never got an exact ballistics match 118 00:09:07,379 --> 00:09:09,413 because the bullets were so damaged. 119 00:09:12,896 --> 00:09:16,310 There were no hairs, or fibers, or a DNA, 120 00:09:16,310 --> 00:09:18,068 or anything else that was recovered 121 00:09:18,068 --> 00:09:21,000 that was usable from the crime scene as to who had done it. 122 00:09:26,482 --> 00:09:30,620 I wept because I'd lost a good friend. 123 00:09:30,620 --> 00:09:34,517 I originally assumed that it was some sort of overdose or something. 124 00:09:36,241 --> 00:09:39,103 And then it comes out that he was murdered. 125 00:09:40,482 --> 00:09:42,379 It broke my heart, uh, to be honest. 126 00:09:44,758 --> 00:09:47,620 Travis Perkins, we'd crossed paths a few times. 127 00:09:47,620 --> 00:09:49,758 Of course, certain circles are small. 128 00:09:49,758 --> 00:09:52,896 There was a rumor that he knew too much on certain people. 129 00:09:52,896 --> 00:09:54,965 And they, they tried to keep him quiet. 130 00:09:58,517 --> 00:10:01,379 Travis was unfortunately in the wrong place 131 00:10:01,379 --> 00:10:03,482 with the wrong people at the wrong time. 132 00:10:04,931 --> 00:10:06,793 There were many theories. 133 00:10:06,793 --> 00:10:08,172 Are they all in this together? 134 00:10:08,172 --> 00:10:09,931 Are they covering for each other? 135 00:10:09,931 --> 00:10:13,034 What was the motive to get rid of Travis? 136 00:10:13,034 --> 00:10:14,689 There were a lot of questions. 137 00:10:40,275 --> 00:10:42,379 When you come into this town of course it's beautiful. 138 00:10:42,379 --> 00:10:44,965 It's a beautiful little country town. 139 00:10:44,965 --> 00:10:46,517 There's a lot of history here. 140 00:10:46,517 --> 00:10:47,965 A lot of wonderful people. 141 00:10:50,517 --> 00:10:54,241 It's a small community where everybody pretty much knows everybody. 142 00:10:54,241 --> 00:10:57,482 But after dark, that's when addiction comes out 143 00:10:57,482 --> 00:11:00,551 'cause that's when people are out stealing to get their drugs. 144 00:11:02,655 --> 00:11:05,206 There's two communities in this little town. 145 00:11:05,206 --> 00:11:07,172 There's what you see today, 146 00:11:07,172 --> 00:11:08,827 and then there's what you don't see 147 00:11:08,827 --> 00:11:10,448 unless you're living in that life. 148 00:11:23,241 --> 00:11:27,517 We started to try to figure out what was going on in his life 149 00:11:27,517 --> 00:11:29,206 that would 'cause this to happen. 150 00:11:31,758 --> 00:11:35,517 We came to understand that Travis, uh, 151 00:11:35,517 --> 00:11:40,620 would cook meth at, uh, a number of rural locations. 152 00:11:40,620 --> 00:11:44,586 We eventually came to learn that one of those locations was Bob Castleman's farm. 153 00:11:47,275 --> 00:11:53,931 Bob's farm is about six miles down a gravel road off of a rural highway. 154 00:11:54,827 --> 00:11:57,517 It's in the middle of nowhere. 155 00:11:59,275 --> 00:12:02,965 Bob Castleman was a well-known attorney in Pocahontas. 156 00:12:02,965 --> 00:12:05,586 He had previously been a municipal judge, 157 00:12:05,586 --> 00:12:07,482 and he had a reputation. 158 00:12:08,896 --> 00:12:12,793 Some people viewed him as a person who should not be crossed. 159 00:12:14,862 --> 00:12:16,931 I think Travis was of that opinion too. 160 00:12:31,965 --> 00:12:35,103 Glen Smith was the chief at Hoxie Police Department. 161 00:12:36,551 --> 00:12:39,862 Gets a tip from his friend at the farm supplies store 162 00:12:39,862 --> 00:12:41,448 that a couple of individuals 163 00:12:41,448 --> 00:12:43,793 who looked to be buying some meth precursors. 164 00:12:45,655 --> 00:12:51,551 Glen rolls out to investigate it and conducts a traffic stop. 165 00:12:51,551 --> 00:12:54,310 And who turns out to be in the truck... 166 00:12:56,620 --> 00:13:00,965 ...but Bob Castleman and his girlfriend Rebecca Spray. 167 00:13:03,034 --> 00:13:06,137 Rebecca Spray was maybe about half his age. 168 00:13:06,137 --> 00:13:08,379 He was then about 60 or so. 169 00:13:08,379 --> 00:13:10,137 Uh, a much younger lady. 170 00:13:12,413 --> 00:13:13,689 When they pulled us over, 171 00:13:13,689 --> 00:13:16,827 we'd pretty much had a rolling meth lab in his truck. 172 00:13:16,827 --> 00:13:19,379 Attempted manufacture is a pretty serious charge. 173 00:13:20,482 --> 00:13:22,379 So, we both were arrested. 174 00:13:24,827 --> 00:13:26,517 It was huge. 175 00:13:26,517 --> 00:13:29,068 Bob was a former municipal judge. 176 00:13:29,068 --> 00:13:30,206 We were just like... 177 00:13:31,517 --> 00:13:33,000 ..."How does this happen?". 178 00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:40,827 Somebody with, uh, education and influence like Bob Castleman, 179 00:13:40,827 --> 00:13:45,000 it's fairly rare that individuals get into this... 180 00:13:46,103 --> 00:13:47,931 ...seedier side of their community. 181 00:13:47,931 --> 00:13:49,206 But it happens. 182 00:13:49,206 --> 00:13:53,172 And, um, methamphetamine is a powerful drug. 183 00:14:02,689 --> 00:14:05,655 I met Bob when I was 19, 2001. 184 00:14:08,896 --> 00:14:11,275 I was making meth, and, uh, you know, 185 00:14:11,275 --> 00:14:13,000 pretty much, uh, selling it. 186 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,206 And when I got caught up, 187 00:14:15,379 --> 00:14:18,827 I had to pay for a lawyer to keep my son. 188 00:14:19,482 --> 00:14:21,551 And that's how I met Bob. 189 00:14:25,310 --> 00:14:28,275 Bob is like, "Sure, I'd be glad to help you. What do you got?" 190 00:14:28,275 --> 00:14:30,068 So, I told him that I have like $1,200. 191 00:14:30,068 --> 00:14:31,655 He said, "Well, that's a good start." 192 00:14:33,137 --> 00:14:35,620 I paid him at a nightclub. 193 00:14:35,620 --> 00:14:38,344 I've passed him money under the table. 194 00:14:38,344 --> 00:14:41,482 And from that day on, we was really tight. 195 00:14:55,034 --> 00:14:59,034 Following day, execute a search warrant on Bob's farm. 196 00:15:16,034 --> 00:15:19,965 Maybe 100, 150 yards away from the house in a wooded area, 197 00:15:19,965 --> 00:15:22,000 we found the evidence we needed. 198 00:15:24,413 --> 00:15:26,000 A big meth lab. 199 00:15:28,068 --> 00:15:29,137 When you're cooking meth, 200 00:15:29,137 --> 00:15:31,965 it has a very pungent and distinct smell... 201 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,931 ...that you try to, uh, avoid people smelling. 202 00:15:37,724 --> 00:15:41,931 And so, you know, you needed that privacy to make methamphetamine. 203 00:15:44,448 --> 00:15:48,482 It was an ideal spot for manufacturing methamphetamine. 204 00:15:48,482 --> 00:15:51,137 Nobody would know you were out there unless you lived there. 205 00:15:54,931 --> 00:15:59,275 When we went to Bob's farm to search the premises, 206 00:15:59,275 --> 00:16:01,379 we found Jerrod Castleman there... 207 00:16:03,275 --> 00:16:05,172 ...the son of Bob Castleman. 208 00:16:06,517 --> 00:16:07,655 I interviewed him. 209 00:16:07,655 --> 00:16:09,689 He knew the game was over. 210 00:16:13,103 --> 00:16:15,448 As far as running the operation, 211 00:16:15,448 --> 00:16:19,137 Jerrod and Travis were working together. 212 00:16:22,758 --> 00:16:23,931 Um... 213 00:16:37,275 --> 00:16:38,448 From what I know, 214 00:16:38,448 --> 00:16:42,482 Travis Perkins would manufacture the meth at the farm. 215 00:16:42,482 --> 00:16:44,172 Um, and sometimes even on the porch. 216 00:16:45,896 --> 00:16:48,517 I don't think he was coerced into doing it. 217 00:16:48,517 --> 00:16:51,758 I think maybe he just kind of found a friend group 218 00:16:51,758 --> 00:16:54,689 that took advantage of the skills that he had in that area, 219 00:16:54,689 --> 00:16:56,034 and he went with it. 220 00:16:57,965 --> 00:17:00,068 Travis was doing the cooking. 221 00:17:00,068 --> 00:17:04,931 Uh, Jerrod was helping to provide chemicals. 222 00:17:04,931 --> 00:17:07,448 And Bob Castleman, for the most part, 223 00:17:07,448 --> 00:17:09,448 was providing the, the space. 224 00:17:11,068 --> 00:17:14,000 Bob refused to cooperate with law enforcement. 225 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,517 I encouraged him to do so, 226 00:17:15,517 --> 00:17:16,965 but he declined. 227 00:17:18,068 --> 00:17:21,482 But Jerrod told me some things of significance. 228 00:17:21,482 --> 00:17:25,000 He told us about various drug activity 229 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,586 involving higher-ups in the community, including law enforcement. 230 00:17:42,586 --> 00:17:46,206 They were people in positions of trust or authority. 231 00:17:49,103 --> 00:17:53,620 The chief of police, his brother was also a law enforcement, 232 00:17:53,620 --> 00:17:56,103 and the police chief's wife. 233 00:17:57,655 --> 00:18:01,413 A local prosecutor was brother to Bob Castleman. 234 00:18:03,793 --> 00:18:07,206 How can someone be a law enforcement officer for decades, 235 00:18:07,206 --> 00:18:12,206 uh, be trained in, uh, drug crimes, 236 00:18:12,206 --> 00:18:16,068 and get involved in illegal drug activity? 237 00:18:16,068 --> 00:18:18,379 I don't know that you can trust law enforcement 238 00:18:18,379 --> 00:18:19,586 after something like that. 239 00:18:27,689 --> 00:18:30,517 This case was very covert. 240 00:18:30,517 --> 00:18:33,586 Uh, and we had to investigate it behind the scenes. 241 00:18:33,586 --> 00:18:35,827 If we had walked down to the Pocahontas Police Department 242 00:18:35,827 --> 00:18:38,586 and said, "Excuse me, sir, uh, we are investigating some of you 243 00:18:38,586 --> 00:18:41,413 for connections of illegal drug activity," 244 00:18:41,413 --> 00:18:44,103 our chances of gathering any evidence 245 00:18:44,103 --> 00:18:45,724 would have been, uh, greatly curtailed. 246 00:18:47,344 --> 00:18:51,034 We know the people that's involved, but we needed evidence. 247 00:18:54,482 --> 00:19:00,103 So, we placed surveillance cameras on law via a district judge. 248 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,000 The police chief's wife worked in that office. 249 00:19:14,793 --> 00:19:18,344 They quickly came to reveal the pattern of activity. 250 00:19:21,344 --> 00:19:24,172 Travis would, uh, deliver one gram of meth, 251 00:19:24,172 --> 00:19:26,689 uh, and place it in the flower bed. 252 00:19:28,275 --> 00:19:31,172 And that, uh, she would also pay Travis, 253 00:19:31,172 --> 00:19:34,793 through the same dead rot method, $100 for each gram of meth. 254 00:19:41,206 --> 00:19:44,379 After dark, the truck arrived in an empty parking lot. 255 00:19:44,379 --> 00:19:46,206 The big figure gets out of the truck, 256 00:19:46,206 --> 00:19:47,862 and he'd saunter over there. 257 00:19:50,241 --> 00:19:51,620 It was Travis Perkins. 258 00:19:57,241 --> 00:20:00,206 So, we watched Travis Perkins' home. 259 00:20:05,034 --> 00:20:07,275 - This was the drug house. - Mmm-hmm. 260 00:20:07,275 --> 00:20:11,620 And it's only, uh, two blocks from the police department. 261 00:20:14,068 --> 00:20:16,517 He's supplying the chief's wife with meth. 262 00:20:16,517 --> 00:20:19,379 That... That threatens the community as a whole. 263 00:20:22,793 --> 00:20:24,482 When we gathered enough evidence, 264 00:20:24,482 --> 00:20:28,586 there was a [indistinct] issued for Bob Castleman, 265 00:20:29,793 --> 00:20:32,448 his son Jerrod Castleman, 266 00:20:32,448 --> 00:20:35,172 Travis Perkins, Rebecca Spray, 267 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:39,068 and police chief's wife, and others. 268 00:20:41,241 --> 00:20:44,896 Chief of police was put on administrative leave. 269 00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:51,275 It was big news that the FBI had come to town. 270 00:21:02,896 --> 00:21:04,551 That was a huge bombshell. 271 00:21:05,517 --> 00:21:07,689 The FBI does not indict you 272 00:21:07,689 --> 00:21:09,793 unless they know they're gonna win. 273 00:21:09,793 --> 00:21:11,275 They're not gonna indict you and say, 274 00:21:11,275 --> 00:21:13,413 "Well, we'll take our chances in court." 275 00:21:13,413 --> 00:21:15,862 That's not the way the FBI works. 276 00:21:15,862 --> 00:21:18,551 They know they're gonna win when they come after you. 277 00:21:19,689 --> 00:21:22,379 People in Pocahontas were horrified. 278 00:21:23,172 --> 00:21:24,758 No one saw that coming. 279 00:21:24,758 --> 00:21:27,137 You know, can you trust anything the police says? 280 00:21:54,862 --> 00:21:58,689 When we gathered enough evidence from all these people 281 00:21:58,689 --> 00:22:01,379 that we heard was involved, 282 00:22:01,379 --> 00:22:03,965 we submit to the US attorney's office. 283 00:22:05,827 --> 00:22:08,827 Now, there wasn't time to arrest them. 284 00:22:12,379 --> 00:22:14,344 It was about seven o'clock in the morning 285 00:22:14,344 --> 00:22:16,413 Me and Bob were still in bed, and, uh, 286 00:22:16,413 --> 00:22:18,206 knock on the door was the sheriff's department 287 00:22:18,206 --> 00:22:20,310 and then a couple of other FBI agents. 288 00:22:22,655 --> 00:22:24,275 I've never been federally indicted. 289 00:22:24,275 --> 00:22:26,241 I thought I was going to prison for the rest of my life. 290 00:22:28,586 --> 00:22:30,620 I had Jerrod telling me like, "Why don't you just say 291 00:22:30,620 --> 00:22:32,068 that Bob was cooking the dope?" 292 00:22:32,068 --> 00:22:34,137 I would never say anything that was incriminating him. 293 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,206 Travis was the one that was in charge. 294 00:22:41,206 --> 00:22:44,137 He was a good man. He planned on like making it, you know? 295 00:22:48,068 --> 00:22:50,000 Bob's never made meth in his life. 296 00:22:50,655 --> 00:22:51,793 It was all Travis. 297 00:22:52,448 --> 00:22:53,655 Bob had nothing to do with it. 298 00:23:09,689 --> 00:23:10,655 Very eye-opening. 299 00:23:12,172 --> 00:23:13,137 Very alarming. 300 00:23:14,793 --> 00:23:16,310 It was definitely like a bomb went off in town. 301 00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:18,137 I mean, the whole town was talking, 302 00:23:18,137 --> 00:23:19,896 and there was so much speculation. 303 00:23:25,034 --> 00:23:27,965 There's no crime more disgusting than crime by people 304 00:23:27,965 --> 00:23:30,000 who are supposed to be upholding the law. 305 00:23:32,655 --> 00:23:34,137 It definitely, uh, changed the way 306 00:23:34,137 --> 00:23:36,000 that people view people in authority. 307 00:23:53,724 --> 00:23:54,965 I received threats, 308 00:23:54,965 --> 00:23:56,551 that I needed to be careful, 309 00:23:56,551 --> 00:23:59,034 that I don't know who I'm messing with. 310 00:23:59,034 --> 00:24:01,275 It was a very worrying time. 311 00:24:01,275 --> 00:24:02,931 It was a very concerning time. 312 00:24:02,931 --> 00:24:07,034 But I'm not gonna let someone intimidate me. 313 00:24:07,034 --> 00:24:08,724 I'm not gonna live in fear. 314 00:24:08,724 --> 00:24:11,620 I'm not wanting to let it affect me doing my duty. 315 00:24:25,034 --> 00:24:28,241 Before he was indicted, everybody liked Travis. 316 00:24:28,241 --> 00:24:30,482 He had as much drugs as anybody wanted or needed. 317 00:24:31,689 --> 00:24:33,482 You know, he had a lot of money. 318 00:24:33,482 --> 00:24:34,931 He could sling that money around. 319 00:24:37,931 --> 00:24:39,655 After he was busted, 320 00:24:39,655 --> 00:24:42,034 Travis's life changed in the snap of a finger. 321 00:24:43,448 --> 00:24:45,379 Nobody wanted to be around him. 322 00:24:47,965 --> 00:24:49,172 He didn't' have any drugs, 323 00:24:49,172 --> 00:24:50,896 and he didn't have any money anymore. 324 00:24:52,241 --> 00:24:53,482 He just felt lonely. 325 00:24:56,068 --> 00:24:59,758 That Christmas I remember I texted him to see how he was doing. 326 00:24:59,758 --> 00:25:03,103 And he was alone, and it just broke my heart. 327 00:25:03,103 --> 00:25:05,310 So, I went over there with the Christmas dinner. 328 00:25:07,344 --> 00:25:09,103 He had tears in his eyes, and he was just... 329 00:25:09,103 --> 00:25:10,965 I was like, "Nobody cared." 330 00:25:10,965 --> 00:25:13,482 He didn't have anything anybody wanted anymore. 331 00:25:16,379 --> 00:25:17,758 And he was scared. 332 00:25:37,517 --> 00:25:41,241 When I heard the tragic news that Travis had been murdered... 333 00:25:43,344 --> 00:25:46,103 I was very surprised. 334 00:25:46,103 --> 00:25:49,413 This really, really changed the, the nature of what the case was. 335 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,034 There was a lot of speculation. 336 00:25:54,586 --> 00:25:55,862 Who killed Travis? 337 00:26:06,103 --> 00:26:08,137 Who had a motive? 338 00:26:08,137 --> 00:26:13,000 The FBI and the local law enforcement did follow a number of different leads, 339 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,172 but there just wasn't anything that materialized. 340 00:26:16,172 --> 00:26:20,310 The only motives that we had that made sense were within the case. 341 00:26:22,689 --> 00:26:24,517 As we were approaching the trial date, 342 00:26:24,517 --> 00:26:26,689 most of the defendants pleaded guilty. 343 00:26:28,724 --> 00:26:32,724 Jerrod and Bob were the final two defendants that had yet to do that. 344 00:26:34,068 --> 00:26:36,310 Bob and Jerrod had a reputation 345 00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:40,827 of taking the law into their own hands to protect each other. 346 00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:45,586 They sent a live copperhead snake through the mail 347 00:26:45,586 --> 00:26:49,172 over a small financial dispute. 348 00:26:49,172 --> 00:26:52,517 A copperhead is a venomous pet viper. 349 00:26:53,793 --> 00:26:56,448 Bob takes it, puts it in a box, 350 00:26:56,448 --> 00:26:59,275 puts some Styrofoam peanuts in with it, 351 00:27:00,310 --> 00:27:05,620 wraps it up, mails it to this, this individual. 352 00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:09,655 The wife comes home from work. She puts the mail in her car. 353 00:27:09,655 --> 00:27:13,517 Goes up to the carport and opens the box. 354 00:27:13,517 --> 00:27:16,068 And as she opens the box the snake came out. 355 00:27:17,448 --> 00:27:20,241 It's a very aggravated snake at this point. 356 00:27:20,241 --> 00:27:21,482 Not happy. 357 00:27:24,413 --> 00:27:28,931 The sheriff's office arrived and, uh, killed the snake with a shotgun. 358 00:27:28,931 --> 00:27:29,931 They blew its head off. 359 00:27:32,344 --> 00:27:34,827 You literally cannot mail a poisonous snake. 360 00:27:35,689 --> 00:27:36,896 It was mind-boggling. 361 00:27:37,793 --> 00:27:39,965 How can someone get involved in this? 362 00:27:39,965 --> 00:27:42,448 Someone, you know, who had been a judge, who'd been an attorney, 363 00:27:42,448 --> 00:27:44,965 someone who was smart enough to know better than do that. 364 00:28:08,551 --> 00:28:10,241 His whole life fell apart. 365 00:28:10,241 --> 00:28:11,965 Started with the snake incident... 366 00:28:14,068 --> 00:28:16,344 ...and went downhill from there. 367 00:28:16,344 --> 00:28:18,206 He was no longer able to practice law. 368 00:28:20,241 --> 00:28:23,000 So, both Bob and Jerrod were convicted felons. 369 00:28:24,896 --> 00:28:29,137 And Travis was witness to the illegal drug activity. 370 00:28:29,137 --> 00:28:31,379 So, Bob and Jerrod had a motive. 371 00:28:35,896 --> 00:28:40,551 About a week before Travis Perkins was going to testify, 372 00:28:40,551 --> 00:28:42,344 that's the week in which the murder happened. 373 00:28:45,034 --> 00:28:47,655 Either one could have shot Travis Perkins twice in the head. 374 00:28:48,655 --> 00:28:50,517 Murder is an extreme act. 375 00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:56,655 But Jerrod and Bob were staring at long prison sentences 376 00:28:56,655 --> 00:29:01,344 for conspiracy to manufacture methamphetamine. 377 00:29:02,379 --> 00:29:04,172 What's the saying? 378 00:29:04,172 --> 00:29:07,620 "There's no man more dangerous than a man who has nothing to lose." 379 00:29:56,379 --> 00:30:00,724 Bob Castleman and Jerrod were recorded discussing the case, 380 00:30:00,724 --> 00:30:03,586 discussing, you know, who was going to plead and not plead, 381 00:30:03,586 --> 00:30:07,896 and, and discussing that they hoped that Travis would not turn on them. 382 00:30:09,896 --> 00:30:14,689 The prime suspect for Travis Perkins' murder were Bob and Jerrod Castleman. 383 00:30:17,827 --> 00:30:20,896 But Jerrod couldn't have done it 384 00:30:20,896 --> 00:30:24,896 'cause Jerrod was in jail for violating his supervised release. 385 00:30:26,344 --> 00:30:28,655 We ruled Jerrod out of the equation. 386 00:30:31,034 --> 00:30:34,068 So, I began paying very close attention to Bob. 387 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,758 Bob had a reputation of being a vengeful person. 388 00:30:38,758 --> 00:30:43,551 And he had much to gain by Travis not being available for trial. 389 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,379 A second-grader could have figured out the motive. 390 00:30:48,379 --> 00:30:49,862 That's a no-brainer. 391 00:30:52,275 --> 00:30:56,206 Uh, when I heard that Bob was accused of Travis Perkins' murder, 392 00:30:56,206 --> 00:30:59,448 I was scared, but I was like, "Well, they gotta know that he didn't do it." 393 00:31:08,827 --> 00:31:12,931 Then the, uh, lady, uh, by the name of Kim Caudle 394 00:31:12,931 --> 00:31:16,793 uh, told us that the night of Travis's death... 395 00:31:17,862 --> 00:31:20,241 ...Bob had taken her, 396 00:31:20,241 --> 00:31:24,620 uh, down to the dog track in West Memphis. 397 00:31:34,275 --> 00:31:36,862 We were able to substantiate with phone records 398 00:31:36,862 --> 00:31:40,068 that Bob's phone was at the dog track back in West Memphis 399 00:31:40,068 --> 00:31:41,172 the entire evening. 400 00:31:44,517 --> 00:31:46,689 So, as it came to pass, 401 00:31:46,689 --> 00:31:48,758 Bob also had an alibi. 402 00:31:51,172 --> 00:31:53,724 The whole thing is just bizarre. 403 00:31:53,724 --> 00:31:56,793 You get to a point where nothing surprises you. 404 00:31:59,206 --> 00:32:02,862 Everybody was in a tight spot because of what was going on here. 405 00:32:07,655 --> 00:32:10,689 But then Jerrod decided to testify. 406 00:32:14,103 --> 00:32:16,655 His attorney approached us about, 407 00:32:16,655 --> 00:32:19,310 uh, Jerrod offering some very valuable information. 408 00:32:21,413 --> 00:32:23,758 It has to do with Travis's murder. 409 00:32:23,758 --> 00:32:27,551 And he would have taken the witness stand the following day. 410 00:32:27,551 --> 00:32:29,896 When we arrived that morning for court 411 00:32:29,896 --> 00:32:32,448 and we were told by the US Marshals 412 00:32:32,448 --> 00:32:34,586 that there had been an incident at the jail... 413 00:32:40,379 --> 00:32:44,172 ...immediately we started to try to figure out what happened. 414 00:32:45,965 --> 00:32:48,172 Then we got the news. 415 00:32:48,172 --> 00:32:53,172 Bob Castleman had taken a big razor and tried to kill himself. 416 00:32:59,068 --> 00:33:01,103 Bob said to me, "If anything was to happen 417 00:33:01,103 --> 00:33:05,034 and you felt like, you know, this was all gonna go south, he would end it himself." 418 00:33:08,482 --> 00:33:13,586 There's no way to know whether Bob was seriously trying to kill himself, 419 00:33:13,586 --> 00:33:15,965 or whether he was trying to delay the trial. 420 00:33:15,965 --> 00:33:17,758 And Jerrod's testimony... 421 00:33:19,379 --> 00:33:21,931 ...about Mr. Castleman wasn't very successful. 422 00:33:22,793 --> 00:33:24,517 But he did require some stitches. 423 00:33:24,517 --> 00:33:26,724 So, we recessed court, 424 00:33:26,724 --> 00:33:28,965 I believe until the next morning, 425 00:33:28,965 --> 00:33:32,206 um, for him to be taken care of and then return. 426 00:33:35,827 --> 00:33:38,275 They were staring at long prison sentences. 427 00:33:38,275 --> 00:33:40,827 For Bob, it probably will be a life sentence. 428 00:33:40,827 --> 00:33:46,551 Jerrod was still at this point mid-20s, late-20s. 429 00:33:46,551 --> 00:33:49,448 So, probably would not be a life sentence for him. 430 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,827 Jerrod had to make a Hobson's choice here. 431 00:34:27,827 --> 00:34:33,241 Um, do I tell what I know and set my moral conscience right 432 00:34:33,241 --> 00:34:36,241 and set, set it right for Travis? 433 00:34:36,241 --> 00:34:38,448 And do I do that at the expense of my father? 434 00:35:08,172 --> 00:35:11,655 I was there when Jerrod testified against his father. 435 00:35:13,896 --> 00:35:17,793 I was really surprised when Jerrod turned on his dad. 436 00:35:17,793 --> 00:35:20,034 That was not what I was expecting. 437 00:35:23,689 --> 00:35:27,655 He said his father confessed to him that he did it. 438 00:35:27,655 --> 00:35:32,172 He had taken care of business and got rid of Travis Perkins. 439 00:35:33,517 --> 00:35:38,275 It was always our feeling that Jerrod was bothered 440 00:35:38,275 --> 00:35:40,965 by what had happened to Travis Perkins. 441 00:35:40,965 --> 00:35:43,000 He was a close friend to Jerrod. 442 00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:47,310 And Jerrod's moral compass... 443 00:35:47,310 --> 00:35:50,517 ...said that that's wrong. "I can't let that happen." 444 00:35:55,103 --> 00:36:00,103 Bob had taken great lengths to cover up his involvement in that shooting. 445 00:36:01,793 --> 00:36:05,586 One was going with Miss Caudle to the race track. 446 00:36:07,379 --> 00:36:09,000 Then he left his phone with her 447 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,137 so that it could not be traced to the murder scene... 448 00:36:13,827 --> 00:36:16,551 ...and drove from the dog track back to Pocahontas. 449 00:36:17,655 --> 00:36:20,896 It was in the wee hours of the morning. 450 00:36:20,896 --> 00:36:24,724 And Travis lived downtown in that commercial building. 451 00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:27,068 Um, so it's not surprising that nobody saw Bob. 452 00:36:30,931 --> 00:36:32,931 There was no evidence of a forced entry, 453 00:36:32,931 --> 00:36:35,137 so it's quite likely that his door was open that night. 454 00:36:37,344 --> 00:36:39,758 One of the things that was not publicly known... 455 00:36:41,206 --> 00:36:43,931 ...was that Travis Perkins was shot twice. 456 00:36:47,965 --> 00:36:49,724 And the fact that Jerrod knew, 457 00:36:49,724 --> 00:36:52,379 would corroborate that Bob had actually shot him, 458 00:36:52,379 --> 00:36:53,827 and told Jerrod the story. 459 00:36:58,379 --> 00:37:02,310 FBI determined that Jerrod Castleman and Bob Castleman 460 00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:04,758 both had 9-millimeter Glock firearms. 461 00:37:04,758 --> 00:37:08,137 Um, same class of firearms that could have fired that bullet. 462 00:37:09,896 --> 00:37:12,620 Bob then returned to the dog track that evening. 463 00:37:22,448 --> 00:37:25,862 In his sentencing, Jerrod got greater than a 50% reduction. 464 00:37:27,448 --> 00:37:30,379 Got the best deal that I've ever seen anyone get. 465 00:37:30,379 --> 00:37:32,413 No one was ever charged for the murder. 466 00:37:34,482 --> 00:37:36,931 The jury was not asked to find 467 00:37:36,931 --> 00:37:40,448 whether or not Bob Castleman had murdered Travis Perkins. 468 00:37:40,448 --> 00:37:44,551 They were simply asked to find whether or not he was guilty of the drug conspiracy. 469 00:37:46,103 --> 00:37:48,862 And we presented the murder evidence 470 00:37:48,862 --> 00:37:53,586 as evidence of why Travis Perkins was murdered. 471 00:38:05,896 --> 00:38:08,758 They didn't have enough to get him for Travis's murder. 472 00:38:08,758 --> 00:38:13,551 So, he got a huge sentence for this drug involvement. 473 00:38:25,206 --> 00:38:27,344 This call is from a federal prison. 474 00:38:27,344 --> 00:38:28,586 This call is from... 475 00:38:28,586 --> 00:38:29,724 ...Bob Castleman. 476 00:39:39,689 --> 00:39:42,172 You know, there was no getting out of it no more. 477 00:39:42,172 --> 00:39:44,137 So it's time to come clean I guess, you know. 478 00:39:45,241 --> 00:39:47,172 His dad didn't want him to lie 479 00:39:47,172 --> 00:39:49,482 and get himself into any more trouble. 480 00:39:49,482 --> 00:39:51,172 They were very close, I know. 481 00:39:51,172 --> 00:39:53,206 Jerrod and Bob were close, they were. 482 00:39:53,206 --> 00:39:56,862 But I absolutely think that Bob killed him. 483 00:40:01,241 --> 00:40:03,310 There's definitely a rumor that goes around town 484 00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:06,068 that Bob took the fall for Jerrod. Um, 485 00:40:06,068 --> 00:40:08,344 Bob and Jerrod went to a lot of lengths 486 00:40:08,344 --> 00:40:10,896 and had a reputation of what lengths they would go to 487 00:40:10,896 --> 00:40:13,275 to protect one another over the years. 488 00:40:13,275 --> 00:40:17,862 And for that to be the final chapter of the story is somewhat ironic. 489 00:40:21,137 --> 00:40:25,206 When we heard the news of Bob and he was being convicted, 490 00:40:25,206 --> 00:40:27,896 people were astonished. 491 00:40:27,896 --> 00:40:30,275 For our small rural community, it was big news. 492 00:40:35,241 --> 00:40:38,172 It went a long way to rid ourselves 493 00:40:38,172 --> 00:40:41,034 with what potential corruption that we might have had. 494 00:40:41,034 --> 00:40:43,655 I'm proud we did what we did. 495 00:40:43,655 --> 00:40:46,137 I think it was necessary. I think it was needed. 496 00:40:53,344 --> 00:40:57,758 It does show that nobody is immune from breaking the law. 497 00:40:57,758 --> 00:41:00,551 But it also shows that nobody is immune from being prosecuted. 498 00:41:02,758 --> 00:41:03,931 Yeah, I miss him a lot. 499 00:41:05,344 --> 00:41:07,586 Terribly. 500 00:41:07,586 --> 00:41:12,931 I got, um... My second tattoo was, um, his initials on my, my ass cheek, you know. 501 00:41:12,931 --> 00:41:14,000 But, uh... 502 00:41:16,965 --> 00:41:19,241 So, yeah, I miss him a lot. 503 00:41:22,862 --> 00:41:25,827 Bob asked me to marry him several different times, you know, 504 00:41:25,827 --> 00:41:27,551 and I, you know, I was still young. 505 00:41:27,551 --> 00:41:29,965 and I didn't really wanna settle down. 506 00:41:29,965 --> 00:41:31,206 But, um, I wish I had have. 507 00:41:32,758 --> 00:41:35,241 Maybe it would change the whole outcome of everything. 508 00:41:39,103 --> 00:41:43,206 It's been a dark time and a dark cloud over our, uh, community. 509 00:41:43,206 --> 00:41:45,310 It's very, very sad that Travis had passed 510 00:41:45,310 --> 00:41:46,862 and that he had passed in such an awful way. 511 00:41:50,172 --> 00:41:54,827 It's just sad. It just breaks my heart still for Travis. 512 00:41:54,827 --> 00:41:56,620 And I can't imagine what he went through. 513 00:41:57,965 --> 00:42:00,172 You know, those last moments, I... 514 00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:02,724 It's just awful. 515 00:42:04,344 --> 00:42:06,413 But I like to think he's in a better place 516 00:42:06,413 --> 00:42:08,241 is how I have to kind of think about it. 42415

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