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- I'm Craig Melvin,
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and this is
"Dateline: Secrets Uncovered."
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- Something is wrong here.
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The system doesn't want to
acknowledge that
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they made a mistake.
But you made a mistake!
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- The detective was like,
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"You gonna tell us
you did this."
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And I'm like,
"Man, I ain't did nothin'."
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- You hear the judge
say "guilty."
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- Everything just froze.
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- Two brothers
convicted of murder
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fight back against
the justice system.
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- Twice is a pattern.
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A pattern of
how to gain a conviction.
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- I knew they were innocent,
and the question was
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"Do we have enough?"
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- You've got
several witnesses saying
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their testimony was coerced.
Can they all be lying?
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- If I have to die
in this situation,
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let it be said that
I would die trying to prove it,
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that I was innocent, man.
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Never that I gave up.
Never.
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**
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- Hello, and welcome to
"Dateline: Secrets Uncovered."
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The story you are about to hear
is an intensely personal one,
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centered around three men
who say they are victims
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of wrongful convictions.
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The journey to prove
their innocence
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spanned three decades
as they withstood
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one denied appeal
after another.
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Giving up was never an option,
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but would their fight
lead to justice?
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Here's "The Long Road
to Freedom."
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Tulsa, Oklahoma.
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Look at a list of
top places to live,
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and you'll often find it.
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"A city of promise
of a new kind of energy,"
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as its motto says.
But look a bit closer.
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Just over the railroad tracks
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that separate the north
from the south side,
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and you'll find
the city divided.
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Segregated.
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And if you walk deeper
into north Tulsa,
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past the boarded-up houses and
the broken basketball hoops,
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you'll hear a story
that's all too familiar.
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- The truth is, man,
I've had to deal with the pain,
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I've had to deal with the anger,
the frustration, sadness, uh,
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the misery, you know.
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- Like the families
of George Floyd,
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Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor,
Michael Brown,
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and hundreds of other young
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African-Americans whose names
are being chanted
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in protests nationwide,
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Malcolm Scott
wants his story told.
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- Because if we don't know
that it exists,
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how can we do anything about it?
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- His story starts
like so many other black lives
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that have struggled to matter.
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Raised in poverty
under the watchful,
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suspicious eye of the police,
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and destined to a life
of run-ins with the law.
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But at its heart,
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it's a story about two brothers,
Malcolm and Cory,
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and a bond that
could not be broken,
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not even in the face of
unimaginable odds.
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What was it like growing up
in-in north Tulsa?
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- Oh, you feel like
you were always home, you know?
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Familiar faces
always surround you.
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- Large family too,
as I understand it.
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- Twelve brothers and sisters.
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- Twelve.
- Yeah.
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So, yeah, it was crowded.
[laughs]
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I was really big
into sports.
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Like, I love, you know,
me getting ahold
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to a football in my hand
and running was like,
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you know, life.
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- Malcolm caught
the football bug from Cory,
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who was his older half brother
and best friend.
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- We have a beautiful
relationship.
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My mama tell me, you know,
"he's crazy about you.
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You know.
He'd do everything you do."
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- As a young teenager,
Malcolm dealt with a father
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who struggled with
alcohol addiction
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and sometimes abused him.
Cory was his safe haven.
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- I had to protect him.
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- Did he kind of start to
play the role of dad?
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- I could better
relate to him.
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I didn't fear him.
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And I felt kinda
safe with him.
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- Feeling safe was rare
in north Tulsa.
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This was where the poorest
of the poor lived,
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a place with very few
social services,
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but lots of crack cocaine
and gang violence.
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The night of August 3rd, 1990,
was typical.
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On the corner
of Atlanta and 4th,
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a gun was fired.
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Cory says he happened to be
driving through.
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- I looked toward
the shot came from,
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and I seen the dude fall,
and as we got right there,
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and I looked and
seen his chest was still moving,
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he was still breathing,
and I was like,
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"Man, somebody call
an ambulance for him."
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- When police arrived,
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they found 29-year-old
James Lane,
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a small-time drug dealer,
dead on the sidewalk.
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He'd been shot
once in the chest and robbed.
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Police stopped Cory
at the scene.
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Some of his friends
were known gang members,
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and police thought
Cory was, too.
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But he had no criminal record.
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- And they pulled it us
at the car,
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and they searched my car down,
they searched us down,
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and, uh, let us go.
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- Investigators were not able
to develop any leads,
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and the case went cold.
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But six months
after Lane's death,
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a 16-year-old named Doane Thomas
told police he saw the shooter.
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It was Cory.
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Police arrested Cory
and charged him
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with first-degree murder.
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- I was taken to
the homicide division,
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and a detective was like,
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"You gonna tell
us you did this."
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And I'm like, "Uh, man,
I ain't did nothing."
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- At trial, Doane Thomas became
the prosecution's star witness,
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and prosecutors
had more evidence.
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They played
an interrogation video
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of Cory's friend, Ben King,
who was with him that night,
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in which he, too,
told detectives that
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Cory was the killer.
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Cory took the stand
in his own defense
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and testified he tried to
help the victim, not kill him.
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- I could remember the D.A.
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He said, "You know,
if they don't believe you,
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you going to the penitentiary
for the rest of your life."
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And I just-- And I said,
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"Yeah, but the truth
gonna come out."
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- The jury did not believe him,
and found Cory guilty.
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On June 25th, 1991,
he was sentenced to life
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and shipped off
to a maximum security prison.
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Just like that,
he was out of Malcolm's life.
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- Cory left
when I was no more than 13,
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and, uh, that was hard.
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- To fill the void,
Malcolm started to
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hang out more
with De'Marchoe Carpenter,
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a lanky basketball player
and neighborhood jokester.
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- I was gonna be a comedian.
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You know, I used to think
I was so funny.
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You know, I always tell jokes
and get the girls
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and make 'em laugh.
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- But in north Tulsa,
fun could easily turn tragic
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in a split second.
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Malcolm and De'Marchoe
were at a party spot
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late one night in December 1993,
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when a drive-by shooter
hit the place.
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Malcolm was grazed,
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but De'Marchoe
was badly injured.
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He was rushed to the hospital,
Malcolm by his side.
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- I said, "Just hang in there.
Keep your eyes open."
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And, no, he was holding my hand
and I remember him squeeze.
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"Hold-Hold on, hang in there."
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- Losing his brother to prison,
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then seeing his friend
almost die hardened Malcolm.
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He inched a bit closer
to the streets.
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In fact, police caught him
with a handgun,
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something he says probably
would not have happened
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if Cory had been around.
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- He's always been the one
that said,
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"Man, no, you don't-you don't
need to be involved
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with none of that.
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You need to be in school,
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'cause you gonna get
that football."
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- Malcolm had always wanted to
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follow in
his brother's footsteps,
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and he was about to.
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Gang warfare explodes in Tulsa,
and young Malcolm finds himself
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caught up in it.
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- These witnesses said that
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they saw Malcolm
and De'Marchoe there,
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and they saw the shooting,
they identified them.
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- Fingers are pointed
at Malcolm and his friend.
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- Everything just froze.
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It's like time just suspended
for a second.
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- I've seen faces
and people was crying,
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but I didn't hear nothin'.
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Here's an inescapable fact
of growing up
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in a violence-ridden,
low-income community
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like north Tulsa then, and now:
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if you are
a 17-year-old black teenager
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like Malcolm was in 1994,
you're on the police's radar,
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whether you're
in a gang or not.
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- I frequently heard complaints
from kids about
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being arrested for no reason,
being hassled, being stopped,
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being labeled gang members
when they may have
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worn certain color.
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- Ziva Branstetter was
an investigative crime reporter
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for the Tulsa World Newspaper
for 22 years.
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- I think the vast majority
were good cops doing their job,
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trying to keep up,
going from call to call,
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but there were other reports of,
um, you know,
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indiscriminate arrests.
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- Branstetter says that
what she saw in Tulsa
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reflected the stark reality
all across the country.
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- Tulsa was roughly 10%, um,
African-American,
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but the arrest rate among
African-Americans is about 43%.
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- If you were a kid back then,
it was easier to grow up
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in south Tulsa than north Tulsa.
- Absolutely.
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I raised two kids,
oh, in south Tulsa,
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and, um, I didn't have to
worry about my boys
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being pulled over for no reason.
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I didn't worry about, you know,
the safety of-of my sons.
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- How bad was the gang problem
in Tulsa then?
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- The gang problem was bad.
People were afraid.
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There were reports regularly
about Crips and Bloods warring,
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you know,
the Tulsa police department
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was trying to deal with
a very high violent crime rate,
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lot of guns in the street.
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- September 10th, 1994
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was just that kind of day
in north Tulsa.
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Another drive-by shooting,
another senseless death.
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This time, it was 19-year-old
Karen Summers,
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the mother of a baby boy,
who was gunned down
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at 2:30 in the morning
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as she was hanging with
friends at a party.
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- Frankly, this kind of case,
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while it did involve
a tragic loss of life
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of a young mother
who was an innocent victim,
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it was not hi-highly
unusual in Tulsa.
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- The murder had all the signs
of a gang crime,
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and lots of Crips
were at the party.
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So a day later,
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Tulsa homicide investigator
Mike Huff
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paid a visit
to Michael Wilson,
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a well-known member
of the Bloods.
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Huff noticed a maroon sedan
parked in Wilson's driveway.
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It matched the description
of the drive-by car.
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- Mike Huff says,
"Hey, I wanna talk to you
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about this shooting;
what do you know?"
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And Michael is trying
to hide a gun.
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Huff sees the gun
and takes the gun.
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Ballistics tests showed that
that was the gun that,
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you know, was used
to kill Karen Summers.
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- It seemed damning,
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but Wilson told detectives
he was hiding the gun
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for Malcolm's friend
De'Marchoe
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and had given De'Marchoe
the bullets.
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Wilson was arrested
for holding the gun,
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but his story lined up
with what police were hearing
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from two eyewitnesses.
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Malcolm and De'Marchoe
killed Karen Summers.
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- These witnesses said
that they saw
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00:12:08,561 --> 00:12:09,629
Malcolm
and De'Marchoe there.
254
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They saw the shooting.
They identified them.
255
00:12:11,798 --> 00:12:15,368
- Suddenly Malcolm was in
almost the same situation
256
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his brother had been in
three years before,
257
00:12:18,438 --> 00:12:20,940
and telling a Tulsa
homicide detective
258
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exactly the same thing,
"I'm innocent."
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- I'm like, whoever, you know,
is telling you this,
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t-they're obviously
mistaken.
261
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I didn't have nothing
to do with it.
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- But despite the fact
that no physical evidence
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00:12:34,888 --> 00:12:36,890
pointed to Malcolm
and De'Marchoe,
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00:12:36,923 --> 00:12:39,726
prosecutors believed
they were the shooters.
265
00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:43,196
So they cut a deal
with Michael Wilson.
266
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They allowed him to plead guilty
to a lesser charge
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in exchange for testifying
against Malcolm and De'Marchoe.
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At trial, the prosecution
presented the two eyewitnesses
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and what Wilson
had told them.
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00:12:56,976 --> 00:12:58,678
Then De'Marchoe said
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the prosecutor approached him
about a deal.
272
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"Say that Malcolm did it,
and we'll cut you a break."
273
00:13:05,552 --> 00:13:09,222
- I thought that he was insane
even asking me that.
274
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- You didn't even consider it.
- No, definitely not.
275
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Why would I do that?
276
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Why would I throw him
under the bus?
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- De'Marchoe
turned down the deal.
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00:13:20,066 --> 00:13:23,937
But just nine hours later,
he stood horrified
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as the jury delivered
its verdict.
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The two friends
were both found guilty
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of 1st degree murder.
282
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- I couldn't hear
nothing.
283
00:13:33,079 --> 00:13:35,115
I seen faces
and people were crying,
284
00:13:35,148 --> 00:13:37,083
but I didn't hear
nothing.
285
00:13:37,083 --> 00:13:39,719
- A judge sentenced
Malcolm and De'Marchoe
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to life in prison
plus 170 years.
287
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- Everything just froze.
288
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It's like...
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time just suspended
for a second.
290
00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:56,202
- Malcolm thought of
his older brother Corey.
291
00:13:56,236 --> 00:13:58,638
Now they were both
serving life
292
00:13:58,672 --> 00:14:01,675
for murders they said
they did not commit,
293
00:14:01,708 --> 00:14:04,944
but they were determined
to stay strong
294
00:14:05,045 --> 00:14:08,281
and to help each other.
295
00:14:08,314 --> 00:14:11,084
- We basically had made
a pact with each other.
296
00:14:11,117 --> 00:14:14,454
We said, man, whoever
gets out of here first,
297
00:14:14,487 --> 00:14:17,223
better come get
the other one.
298
00:14:17,257 --> 00:14:20,193
- The odds Malcolm and Corey
could keep that promise
299
00:14:20,226 --> 00:14:22,128
were next to impossible.
300
00:14:22,162 --> 00:14:26,199
The road to freedom,
if it ever came, would be long,
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00:14:26,232 --> 00:14:29,869
filled with unexpected twists
and revelations.
302
00:14:31,971 --> 00:14:34,574
- I just kind of imagine
what it must--
303
00:14:34,607 --> 00:14:37,911
you know, to be dropped
in a hole 30 feet deep
304
00:14:37,944 --> 00:14:40,480
and good luck
getting out.
305
00:14:40,513 --> 00:14:41,781
- A private investigator
306
00:14:41,815 --> 00:14:43,583
tracks down
one of the eyewitnesses
307
00:14:43,616 --> 00:14:47,320
who ID'd Malcolm and De'Marchoe
as the killers.
308
00:14:47,354 --> 00:14:49,389
- He couldn't even
look me in the eye.
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00:14:49,422 --> 00:14:51,725
He said, "man, I've been
carrying around a burden.
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Those boys
didn't do that."
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**
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Corey Atchison
had been in prison
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00:15:06,406 --> 00:15:09,876
for 28 years
when I sat down with him.
314
00:15:09,909 --> 00:15:12,045
He said he spent
almost every day of it
315
00:15:12,045 --> 00:15:15,448
trying to prove
his innocence.
316
00:15:15,482 --> 00:15:18,284
But he had exhausted
his appeals
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00:15:18,318 --> 00:15:21,421
and been denied parole
five times.
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00:15:21,454 --> 00:15:25,892
Was there a point
over the last 20-plus years
319
00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:29,462
where you thought,
"I'm gonna die here"?
320
00:15:29,496 --> 00:15:32,966
- Times when you get
denied in court,
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00:15:33,066 --> 00:15:34,434
you feel low.
322
00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:36,970
You just wanna say,
give up sometimes.
323
00:15:37,070 --> 00:15:39,239
- What was your
lowest point?
324
00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:41,307
- It would probably
have been in situations
325
00:15:41,341 --> 00:15:44,411
when I wanted to be
out there with my daughter
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00:15:44,444 --> 00:15:47,514
and help her,
and I couldn't.
327
00:15:47,547 --> 00:15:50,517
- Corey's daughter Courtney
was born a couple of months
328
00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:53,520
after her father started
his life sentence.
329
00:15:53,553 --> 00:15:56,556
- They sent me paperwork
trying to forfeit my custody,
330
00:15:56,589 --> 00:16:00,326
saying I was unfit
because I was in prison.
331
00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:06,166
And, uh, it felt like, uh,
I was failing her.
332
00:16:10,236 --> 00:16:13,440
You know, it felt like
it wasn't even my fault.
333
00:16:13,473 --> 00:16:16,910
- Corey felt that sense of
failure and helplessness again
334
00:16:16,943 --> 00:16:18,578
when he heard
about Malcolm.
335
00:16:18,611 --> 00:16:22,048
What did you think
when you heard that your--
336
00:16:22,082 --> 00:16:24,150
your brother
was convicted?
337
00:16:24,184 --> 00:16:27,620
- My first thought was, like,
this is my fault,
338
00:16:27,654 --> 00:16:30,056
because he followed
in my footsteps.
339
00:16:30,056 --> 00:16:32,592
It felt like
this is my child
340
00:16:32,625 --> 00:16:34,527
being taken away.
341
00:16:34,561 --> 00:16:36,262
- Did you know that
your brother told us
342
00:16:36,296 --> 00:16:39,899
that he feels
partly responsible
343
00:16:39,933 --> 00:16:42,569
for you
going to prison?
344
00:16:42,602 --> 00:16:45,205
- I mean, there's no blame
on my brother at all.
345
00:16:45,238 --> 00:16:48,274
And I definitely can't
hold him responsible
346
00:16:48,308 --> 00:16:51,378
for something that
I didn't even do myself.
347
00:16:51,411 --> 00:16:52,979
- When Malcolm
entered prison,
348
00:16:53,079 --> 00:16:56,483
he thought he'd get out as soon
as he filed his first appeal.
349
00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:58,485
Then his second.
350
00:16:58,518 --> 00:16:59,886
And third.
351
00:16:59,919 --> 00:17:03,857
- Denied. Denied.
Denied.
352
00:17:03,890 --> 00:17:06,659
- So Malcolm
and his friend De'Marchoe
353
00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:08,628
started writing letters.
354
00:17:08,661 --> 00:17:10,096
- Who'd you write to?
355
00:17:10,130 --> 00:17:13,133
- Anybody in the legal field
that you could think of.
356
00:17:13,166 --> 00:17:15,201
- What would you say
in these letters?
357
00:17:15,235 --> 00:17:17,037
- I'm an innocent man.
358
00:17:17,037 --> 00:17:19,673
You know,
I just need somebody
359
00:17:19,706 --> 00:17:22,742
to look at this case,
and they will see.
360
00:17:22,776 --> 00:17:24,611
- They wrote
thousands of letters
361
00:17:24,644 --> 00:17:28,882
day after day
for 11 years.
362
00:17:28,915 --> 00:17:31,351
Finally, in 2006
363
00:17:31,384 --> 00:17:33,620
private investigator
Eric Cullen,
364
00:17:33,653 --> 00:17:36,823
the son of a Tulsa
homicide detective,
365
00:17:36,856 --> 00:17:38,224
took on the case.
366
00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:41,127
- I kind of describe Malcolm
and De'Marchoe's letters
367
00:17:41,161 --> 00:17:44,130
as kinda scratches
on a wall.
368
00:17:44,164 --> 00:17:46,132
I just kind of imagine
what it must be--
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00:17:46,166 --> 00:17:49,302
you know, to be dropped
in a hole 30 feet deep
370
00:17:49,336 --> 00:17:52,672
a-and good luck
getting out.
371
00:17:52,706 --> 00:17:55,575
There's no such thing
as a criminal justice system.
372
00:17:55,608 --> 00:17:58,078
It's just a system.
It's not always fair.
373
00:17:58,111 --> 00:18:00,146
And it's not
always right.
374
00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:02,682
- Cullen tracked down
the first eyewitness
375
00:18:02,716 --> 00:18:04,884
who identified
Malcolm and De'Marchoe
376
00:18:04,918 --> 00:18:06,453
as the killers.
377
00:18:06,486 --> 00:18:08,388
- And he couldn't even
look me in the eye.
378
00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:10,423
He said,
"Man, I got-I got--
379
00:18:10,457 --> 00:18:12,359
"I've been carrying around
a burden.
380
00:18:12,392 --> 00:18:15,495
"Man, t-those boys
didn't do that."
381
00:18:15,528 --> 00:18:18,865
- The man told Cullen
he'd shot at the drive-by car
382
00:18:18,898 --> 00:18:20,266
as it sped away
383
00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:22,135
and claimed
that detectives
384
00:18:22,168 --> 00:18:24,037
threatened to put him
behind bars
385
00:18:24,037 --> 00:18:26,039
for firing his weapon
386
00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:29,275
if he didn't testify
against Malcolm and De'Marchoe.
387
00:18:29,309 --> 00:18:31,845
- He says that
they told him
388
00:18:31,878 --> 00:18:33,446
he could be charged
with felony murder
389
00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,415
for firing that gun,
390
00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:37,717
and that it might've been him
that killed Karen Summers,
391
00:18:37,751 --> 00:18:38,818
who knows?
392
00:18:38,852 --> 00:18:40,453
- Now that he was
making progress,
393
00:18:40,487 --> 00:18:42,322
Cullen needed help.
394
00:18:42,355 --> 00:18:44,824
So he turned to someone
who's been a champion
395
00:18:44,858 --> 00:18:47,560
against wrongful convictions
for years:
396
00:18:47,594 --> 00:18:49,329
Tiffany Murphy
then the director
397
00:18:49,362 --> 00:18:51,731
of the Oklahoma
Innocence Project.
398
00:18:51,765 --> 00:18:53,366
It wasn't
the first time
399
00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,703
a Tulsa case had landed
on Murphy's desk.
400
00:18:56,736 --> 00:18:58,972
- I was seeing
a lot of cases
401
00:18:59,072 --> 00:19:02,575
where there were no facts
that supported
402
00:19:02,609 --> 00:19:04,844
what I was seeing
on these convictions.
403
00:19:04,878 --> 00:19:08,581
When you're seeing
that lack over time
404
00:19:08,615 --> 00:19:12,485
involving the same departments,
sheriff's office,
405
00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:14,854
police department,
prosecutor's office,
406
00:19:14,888 --> 00:19:18,124
that's what really
bothered me.
407
00:19:18,158 --> 00:19:19,359
- Cullen
and the Innocence team
408
00:19:19,392 --> 00:19:21,261
tracked down
the second eyewitness
409
00:19:21,294 --> 00:19:24,364
who'd testified he'd seen
Malcolm and De'Marchoe.
410
00:19:24,397 --> 00:19:28,401
But police records showed
he had been shot in the buttocks
411
00:19:28,435 --> 00:19:30,203
and his back was turned.
412
00:19:30,236 --> 00:19:31,371
- Common sense
tells you,
413
00:19:31,404 --> 00:19:33,139
if you got shut in the butt,
you were running away,
414
00:19:33,173 --> 00:19:36,109
you're not gonna be
able to see anything.
415
00:19:36,142 --> 00:19:38,378
- The eyewitness recanted.
416
00:19:38,411 --> 00:19:41,081
And he claimed
detectives had coerced
417
00:19:41,114 --> 00:19:43,116
his testimony, too.
418
00:19:43,149 --> 00:19:44,517
- This is a kid
who got pressured
419
00:19:44,551 --> 00:19:46,686
into saying something
he did not see.
420
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,121
I was just watching him,
421
00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:50,056
and I could tell,
this was a man
422
00:19:50,090 --> 00:19:53,927
who was remembering something
that was extremely traumatic.
423
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,062
And as a Black woman,
I get that.
424
00:19:56,096 --> 00:19:59,065
I understand that,
you know.
425
00:19:59,065 --> 00:20:02,135
The fear of the police
is a real thing.
426
00:20:02,168 --> 00:20:05,205
- Now only one
of the prosecution's
427
00:20:05,238 --> 00:20:08,308
key witnesses remained,
Michael Wilson.
428
00:20:08,341 --> 00:20:10,777
- Michael is it.
Whatever he had to say
429
00:20:10,810 --> 00:20:13,613
had to kind of tie
everything together.
430
00:20:13,646 --> 00:20:18,218
- And the team knew exactly
where to find Michael Wilson,
431
00:20:18,251 --> 00:20:20,487
on death row.
432
00:20:22,822 --> 00:20:25,558
- My name is
Michael Lee Wilson.
433
00:20:25,592 --> 00:20:27,627
- I was incredibly nervous,
434
00:20:27,660 --> 00:20:29,662
because I knew
what was on the line
435
00:20:29,696 --> 00:20:31,231
for Malcolm
and De'Marchoe.
436
00:20:31,264 --> 00:20:34,234
- Michael Wilson's
jaw-dropping admission.
437
00:20:34,267 --> 00:20:36,136
- I wasn't trying
to shoot Karen Summers.
438
00:20:36,169 --> 00:20:38,371
She was at the wrong place
at the wrong time.
439
00:20:38,405 --> 00:20:41,474
- And what he has to say
about the police.
440
00:20:41,508 --> 00:20:42,442
- He asked me,
441
00:20:42,475 --> 00:20:44,144
"did De'Marchoe Carpenter
give you a gun?"
442
00:20:44,177 --> 00:20:45,779
I said, "yes."
443
00:20:45,812 --> 00:20:47,814
That's what I had to say,
and that's what--
444
00:20:47,847 --> 00:20:49,916
[scoffs]
They let me out.
445
00:20:49,949 --> 00:20:51,151
It kinda blew me away
446
00:20:51,184 --> 00:20:53,987
that I got caught with the gun,
and they just let me go.
447
00:21:00,226 --> 00:21:03,530
**
448
00:21:04,497 --> 00:21:07,067
Welcome back to "Dateline:
Secrets Uncovered."
449
00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:08,401
I'm Craig Melvin.
450
00:21:08,435 --> 00:21:10,470
Malcolm Scott
and De'Marchoe Carpenter
451
00:21:10,503 --> 00:21:12,572
were both serving
life sentences
452
00:21:12,605 --> 00:21:16,209
for a murder they insisted
they did not commit.
453
00:21:16,242 --> 00:21:17,644
Nearly two decades later,
454
00:21:17,677 --> 00:21:19,646
with help from
a private investigator,
455
00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:22,716
the race was now on to prove
their innocence,
456
00:21:22,749 --> 00:21:25,085
and time was critical,
457
00:21:25,118 --> 00:21:28,755
because the key witness's days
were numbered.
458
00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:32,525
Back to The Long Road
to Freedom.
459
00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:35,662
By 2013,
Malcolm had been in prison
460
00:21:35,695 --> 00:21:37,364
for 19 years,
461
00:21:37,397 --> 00:21:40,233
his brother Corey
for 22.
462
00:21:40,266 --> 00:21:42,135
- You ready to go, Mama?
- Ready to go?
463
00:21:42,168 --> 00:21:45,105
- The days when their mom
Ruthella came to visit
464
00:21:45,138 --> 00:21:46,740
helped them hold on.
465
00:21:46,773 --> 00:21:49,642
The brothers
drew strength from her.
466
00:21:49,676 --> 00:21:52,679
- Man, that lady
been right there.
467
00:21:52,712 --> 00:21:55,682
I never had to wonder
if she still cared
468
00:21:55,715 --> 00:21:57,851
or if she was still
fighting for me,
469
00:21:57,884 --> 00:22:00,653
still believing in me,
still praying on me.
470
00:22:00,687 --> 00:22:02,522
- And Malcolm was hopeful
471
00:22:02,555 --> 00:22:05,392
his mom's prayers
would be answered.
472
00:22:05,425 --> 00:22:08,528
Two prosecution witnesses
had told his investigative team
473
00:22:08,561 --> 00:22:11,631
that their testimony
was a lie.
474
00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:14,401
That left Michael Wilson,
the man who told police
475
00:22:14,434 --> 00:22:16,670
he'd given
De'Marchoe bullets
476
00:22:16,703 --> 00:22:19,806
and hid the murder weapon
for him.
477
00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:21,641
If he recanted too,
478
00:22:21,675 --> 00:22:24,744
Malcolm thought
they had a chance.
479
00:22:24,778 --> 00:22:27,881
But Michael Wilson
refused to talk,
480
00:22:27,914 --> 00:22:30,083
and he had a good reason.
481
00:22:30,083 --> 00:22:33,553
He was on death row
for the 1995 murder
482
00:22:33,586 --> 00:22:35,488
of a convenience store
manager.
483
00:22:35,522 --> 00:22:38,858
Wilson, seen here
in this surveillance video
484
00:22:38,892 --> 00:22:41,895
while he committed the crime,
was appealing,
485
00:22:41,928 --> 00:22:43,463
hoping he'd get
a lesser sentence
486
00:22:43,496 --> 00:22:45,465
of life
without parole.
487
00:22:45,498 --> 00:22:47,701
- If Michael had--
had been executed
488
00:22:47,734 --> 00:22:50,937
without talking to us,
we don't have a case.
489
00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:52,739
We don't have enough
490
00:22:52,772 --> 00:22:55,975
with what we've got
so far to win.
491
00:22:56,009 --> 00:22:58,178
- I'm hoping that someone
can help me--
492
00:22:58,211 --> 00:23:00,814
- But De'Marchoe wasn't
ready to give up.
493
00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:04,918
- Shoutout to President Obama,
Russell Simmons,
494
00:23:04,951 --> 00:23:08,722
Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin,
Ice Cube, Shaquille O'Neal--
495
00:23:08,755 --> 00:23:10,190
- So you started
making videos--
496
00:23:10,223 --> 00:23:11,558
- Yeah.
- From in prison.
497
00:23:11,591 --> 00:23:12,592
- Yes.
498
00:23:12,625 --> 00:23:14,894
- The last I'd checked,
you-you weren't supposed
499
00:23:14,928 --> 00:23:16,396
to have cell phones
in prison.
500
00:23:16,429 --> 00:23:18,765
- No, but I had to do
what I had to do
501
00:23:18,798 --> 00:23:20,967
to try to regain
my freedom.
502
00:23:21,067 --> 00:23:23,203
I felt like I had
to take this risk.
503
00:23:23,236 --> 00:23:25,605
- While Malcolm
and De'Marchoe waited,
504
00:23:25,638 --> 00:23:30,710
Wilson lost his final appeal
on January 2nd, 2014.
505
00:23:30,744 --> 00:23:33,713
He was set to die
by lethal injection
506
00:23:33,747 --> 00:23:35,315
a week later.
507
00:23:35,348 --> 00:23:38,251
And then,
the phone rang.
508
00:23:38,284 --> 00:23:40,520
It was Wilson's lawyer.
509
00:23:40,553 --> 00:23:43,423
- And so she said to us
if you want to talk to him,
510
00:23:43,456 --> 00:23:45,792
this is the window
you got.
511
00:23:45,825 --> 00:23:47,293
And it was literally
I think
512
00:23:47,327 --> 00:23:49,529
48 hours
before his execution.
513
00:23:49,562 --> 00:23:52,198
- My name is
Michael Lee Wilson.
514
00:23:52,232 --> 00:23:54,934
- When Murphy met with Wilson
in a death row visiting room,
515
00:23:54,968 --> 00:23:57,404
a video
camera was rolling.
516
00:23:57,437 --> 00:24:00,340
- I was incredibly nervous
because I knew
517
00:24:00,373 --> 00:24:03,043
what was on the line
for Malcolm and De'Marchoe.
518
00:24:03,076 --> 00:24:06,880
- Now what might be
their last chance at freedom
519
00:24:06,913 --> 00:24:09,416
came down to whether
a condemned man
520
00:24:09,449 --> 00:24:11,751
would decide
to come clean.
521
00:24:11,785 --> 00:24:14,554
Within minutes,
he did.
522
00:24:14,587 --> 00:24:16,756
- I wasn't trying
to shoot Karen Summers.
523
00:24:16,790 --> 00:24:19,793
I was just-- she was one
of those type of things,
524
00:24:19,826 --> 00:24:21,461
you know, and she was
in the wrong place
525
00:24:21,494 --> 00:24:22,862
at the wrong time.
526
00:24:22,896 --> 00:24:25,465
- Wilson confessed to
killing Karen Summers
527
00:24:25,498 --> 00:24:27,834
and even said he thought
it was all over
528
00:24:27,867 --> 00:24:31,705
when police actually caught him
with the gun he used.
529
00:24:31,738 --> 00:24:35,075
- It kinda blew me away
that I got caught with a gun
530
00:24:35,075 --> 00:24:36,476
and they
just let me go.
531
00:24:36,509 --> 00:24:38,678
All I know is I had
a murder weapon on me
532
00:24:38,712 --> 00:24:39,846
and they let me go.
533
00:24:39,879 --> 00:24:41,815
- Wilson said it seemed
534
00:24:41,848 --> 00:24:44,284
the detective had already
made up his mind
535
00:24:44,317 --> 00:24:46,853
that Malcolm and De'Marchoe
were the killers
536
00:24:46,886 --> 00:24:49,089
and he just played along.
537
00:24:49,122 --> 00:24:51,424
- All I had to do was answer
the questions yes or no.
538
00:24:51,458 --> 00:24:53,093
Did I give some bullets
to Malcolm--
539
00:24:53,093 --> 00:24:54,461
I mean,
to De'Marchoe Carpenter?
540
00:24:54,494 --> 00:24:55,729
I said yes.
541
00:24:55,762 --> 00:24:56,930
- Did De'Marchoe
give you a gun?
542
00:24:56,963 --> 00:24:58,798
- No, he didn't
give me a gun.
543
00:24:58,832 --> 00:25:00,200
That's-- he asked me,
"did De'Marchoe Carpenter
544
00:25:00,233 --> 00:25:03,169
give you a gun?"
I said yes.
545
00:25:03,203 --> 00:25:04,871
That's what I had to say
in that--
546
00:25:04,904 --> 00:25:07,273
[scoffs]
They let me out.
547
00:25:07,307 --> 00:25:09,275
- And that's why he was free
548
00:25:09,309 --> 00:25:11,678
to kill that
convenience store manager,
549
00:25:11,711 --> 00:25:14,614
a murder that never
would have happened
550
00:25:14,647 --> 00:25:16,049
had Wilson been in jail
551
00:25:16,049 --> 00:25:18,618
and charged with
Karen Summers' death.
552
00:25:18,651 --> 00:25:20,653
- You have people
who would be alive,
553
00:25:20,687 --> 00:25:22,889
families not affected,
554
00:25:22,922 --> 00:25:25,692
not destroyed
by this horrible crime,
555
00:25:25,725 --> 00:25:29,629
that doesn't happen
if he's arrested for this.
556
00:25:29,662 --> 00:25:33,066
- Malcolm got the call
soon after Wilson's confession.
557
00:25:33,099 --> 00:25:36,603
It was all there,
captured on video.
558
00:25:36,636 --> 00:25:38,505
- De'Marchoe Carpenter
and Malcolm Scott are innocent.
559
00:25:38,538 --> 00:25:40,273
They didn't
do this crime.
560
00:25:40,306 --> 00:25:42,709
- The words
he'd ached to hear
561
00:25:42,742 --> 00:25:45,378
for 20 long years.
562
00:25:45,412 --> 00:25:48,415
[sniffling]
563
00:25:49,516 --> 00:25:52,819
- I stood on my faith.
564
00:25:52,852 --> 00:25:55,155
I stood on my faith.
565
00:25:55,188 --> 00:25:57,323
- You never lost
that faith.
566
00:25:57,357 --> 00:25:59,626
- I refused to let it go.
567
00:25:59,659 --> 00:26:02,529
- The team presented
its evidence to a judge.
568
00:26:02,562 --> 00:26:04,698
But police
and prosecutors denied
569
00:26:04,731 --> 00:26:06,466
they coerced
any witnesses
570
00:26:06,499 --> 00:26:10,937
and insisted that what Wilson
had said on that video
571
00:26:11,037 --> 00:26:12,505
was a lie.
572
00:26:12,539 --> 00:26:13,873
- The police,
from their standpoint
573
00:26:13,907 --> 00:26:16,076
and the prosecutors,
say this guy's gonna die,
574
00:26:16,109 --> 00:26:18,878
so if he goes out and helps
two of his, you know,
575
00:26:18,912 --> 00:26:21,781
neighborhood friends,
what has he got to lose?
576
00:26:21,815 --> 00:26:25,151
- Would Malcolm and De'Marchoe
have a shot at freedom?
577
00:26:25,185 --> 00:26:28,421
It was all
up to the judge now.
578
00:26:30,056 --> 00:26:33,126
- If I have to die
in this situation,
579
00:26:33,159 --> 00:26:35,862
let it be said
that I died
580
00:26:35,895 --> 00:26:38,865
trying to prove that
I was an innocent man.
581
00:26:38,898 --> 00:26:41,067
- And...
- Twice is a pattern,
582
00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:42,669
a pattern of conduct,
583
00:26:42,702 --> 00:26:46,106
a pattern of how
to gain a conviction.
584
00:26:46,139 --> 00:26:48,341
- A fresh look
at Corey's case,
585
00:26:48,375 --> 00:26:51,911
including new evidence
from three eyewitnesses.
586
00:26:51,945 --> 00:26:54,848
- They all describe
someone 5'7"-ish,
587
00:26:54,881 --> 00:26:56,649
that was an a-ha moment,
588
00:26:56,683 --> 00:26:59,119
'cause Corey Atchison's 6'2".
589
00:26:59,152 --> 00:27:01,888
No one is going to
misinterpret Corey Atchison
590
00:27:01,921 --> 00:27:04,691
for being 5'7", okay?
591
00:27:10,597 --> 00:27:15,301
**
592
00:27:16,169 --> 00:27:20,173
- Tulsa County courthouse,
May 9th, 2016,
593
00:27:20,206 --> 00:27:24,077
a day almost 22 years
in the making.
594
00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:25,412
The last time Malcolm
and De'Marchoe
595
00:27:25,445 --> 00:27:27,047
faced a judge here,
596
00:27:27,047 --> 00:27:29,115
they were sentenced
to life in prison.
597
00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:33,586
Now they hoped another judge
would set them free.
598
00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:36,623
- If I have to die
in this situation,
599
00:27:36,656 --> 00:27:38,525
let it be said
that I died
600
00:27:38,558 --> 00:27:43,096
trying to prove that
I was an innocent man.
601
00:27:43,129 --> 00:27:46,633
Never that I gave up.
Never.
602
00:27:46,666 --> 00:27:49,636
- The judge agreed
with Malcolm and De'Marchoe
603
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:51,938
that police
pressured witnesses
604
00:27:51,971 --> 00:27:55,775
and that Wilson's
video confession was credible.
605
00:27:55,809 --> 00:27:57,477
- They didn't
do this crime.
606
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:59,779
- Malcolm and De'Marchoe,
she declared,
607
00:27:59,813 --> 00:28:05,652
were actually innocent
of the murder of Karen Summers.
608
00:28:05,685 --> 00:28:07,320
[laughter]
609
00:28:07,354 --> 00:28:09,255
- You remember
that morning you got out?
610
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:12,292
- I remember
the skies was beautiful.
611
00:28:12,325 --> 00:28:16,029
I looked up, and it was
right there, the sun.
612
00:28:16,029 --> 00:28:18,932
It was finally
beaming on me.
613
00:28:19,032 --> 00:28:22,435
- The first thing Malcolm did
as a free man, he says,
614
00:28:22,469 --> 00:28:24,704
was to let go
of his anger.
615
00:28:24,738 --> 00:28:27,774
- I had to free my mind.
I had to free my heart.
616
00:28:27,807 --> 00:28:30,210
That felt good.
617
00:28:30,243 --> 00:28:32,679
- 20 years later,
what do you do now?
618
00:28:32,712 --> 00:28:36,049
- Heh, oh, man, I don't--
I'm not sure yet.
619
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:37,217
[laughing]
No, but I know
620
00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:39,185
I'm gonna go get
an education.
621
00:28:39,219 --> 00:28:40,820
[laughter]
622
00:28:40,854 --> 00:28:43,590
- Actually,
before he did anything,
623
00:28:43,623 --> 00:28:45,859
he called
his brother Corey.
624
00:28:45,892 --> 00:28:47,594
- He said,
"bro, it's over with,"
625
00:28:47,627 --> 00:28:49,896
and I cried, like,
tears of joy.
626
00:28:49,929 --> 00:28:51,598
I felt like
I was getting released.
627
00:28:51,631 --> 00:28:55,802
It's like a burden
being off my shoulders.
628
00:28:55,835 --> 00:29:00,540
Even if, uh, it don't
ever happen for me,
629
00:29:00,573 --> 00:29:03,877
you know, I'm happy that
it happened for him.
630
00:29:03,910 --> 00:29:06,680
- Remember,
they had a pact.
631
00:29:06,713 --> 00:29:09,816
First one out
gets the other one out.
632
00:29:09,849 --> 00:29:12,052
- When I talked to
my attorneys off the top,
633
00:29:12,085 --> 00:29:14,287
you know, what can we do
about getting my brother out?
634
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,790
- They're like, "man,
you haven't even enjoyed
635
00:29:16,823 --> 00:29:20,160
being home yourself."
636
00:29:20,193 --> 00:29:23,029
I won't be
completely able to.
637
00:29:23,063 --> 00:29:25,031
I need him home.
638
00:29:25,031 --> 00:29:27,267
- Private investigator
Eric Cullen
639
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:30,103
was now working
on Corey's case,
640
00:29:30,136 --> 00:29:32,806
and as he pored over police
and court records,
641
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:35,875
he noticed that
just like with Malcolm,
642
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:39,379
there were several allegations
of coercing witnesses.
643
00:29:39,412 --> 00:29:42,048
- Must investigators don't
believe in coincidence.
644
00:29:42,048 --> 00:29:45,518
And I did not believe
that was a coincidence.
645
00:29:45,552 --> 00:29:49,055
- Cullen teamed up with
defense lawyer Joe Norwood,
646
00:29:49,089 --> 00:29:51,658
and he discovered
a 15 year old
647
00:29:51,691 --> 00:29:53,593
testifying
at a preliminary hearing
648
00:29:53,626 --> 00:29:57,063
claimed police had
threatened him with jail time
649
00:29:57,063 --> 00:30:00,066
if he did not say Corey
was the shooter.
650
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:01,801
- Partway through
his testimony,
651
00:30:01,835 --> 00:30:04,571
he goes, "you know what?
I can't do this.
652
00:30:04,604 --> 00:30:07,140
"What I just testified to
isn't the truth.
653
00:30:07,173 --> 00:30:09,876
"I was told to say it
by these detectives.
654
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:11,811
I didn't see Corey
do anything."
655
00:30:11,845 --> 00:30:13,780
- Next,
Norwood tracked down
656
00:30:13,813 --> 00:30:16,116
the prosecution's
star witness,
657
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:17,484
Doane Thomas,
658
00:30:17,517 --> 00:30:20,353
and he told them
he had lied too
659
00:30:20,387 --> 00:30:22,555
when he identified Corey
as the killer.
660
00:30:22,589 --> 00:30:25,692
- Doane Thomas's claim
is that the police
661
00:30:25,725 --> 00:30:27,127
pressured him
to say it,
662
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,863
and then the prosecutor
Tim Harris
663
00:30:29,896 --> 00:30:34,067
got him through the trial,
getting him to say it.
664
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:36,302
- Then there was
Corey's friend
665
00:30:36,336 --> 00:30:37,804
who had been with him
the night of the shooting,
666
00:30:37,837 --> 00:30:41,508
Ben King, the one who said
in that interrogation video
667
00:30:41,541 --> 00:30:43,076
that Corey did it.
668
00:30:43,109 --> 00:30:46,579
But King said he had
told police twice before
669
00:30:46,613 --> 00:30:48,882
that Corey did not do it.
670
00:30:48,915 --> 00:30:50,150
- I kept telling 'em,
he didn't do it,
671
00:30:50,183 --> 00:30:52,686
he didn't do it.
Corey didn't do it.
672
00:30:52,719 --> 00:30:54,120
They didn't want
to hear that.
673
00:30:54,154 --> 00:30:56,056
They didn't want
to hear the truth.
674
00:30:56,089 --> 00:30:58,191
- And when police
brought him in a third time
675
00:30:58,224 --> 00:30:59,793
and pressured him again,
676
00:30:59,826 --> 00:31:03,496
King said he'd had enough
and just wanted to leave.
677
00:31:03,530 --> 00:31:04,831
- They wouldn't
let me go,
678
00:31:04,864 --> 00:31:07,067
and I didn't have
an attorney or nothing.
679
00:31:07,067 --> 00:31:09,969
After being down there
nine, ten hours, all day,
680
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:12,205
I thought, well,
I've been telling the truth.
681
00:31:12,238 --> 00:31:13,373
He didn't do it.
682
00:31:13,406 --> 00:31:18,211
So I thought, well,
I'll tell 'em a lie and go home.
683
00:31:18,244 --> 00:31:20,547
- King said that
when prosecutor Tim Harris
684
00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:25,251
asked him to testify against
Corey at trial, he refused.
685
00:31:25,285 --> 00:31:28,421
- Tim Harris kept trying
to get me to say he did it.
686
00:31:28,455 --> 00:31:30,323
And I wouldn't do it,
so then that's--
687
00:31:30,357 --> 00:31:31,758
like, that's when
they went in there
688
00:31:31,791 --> 00:31:33,760
and brought that tape in there
and played it.
689
00:31:33,793 --> 00:31:35,829
And I told 'em that was a lie.
It was a lie.
690
00:31:35,862 --> 00:31:37,364
It was the police's words,
not mine.
691
00:31:37,397 --> 00:31:39,132
It was coerced.
692
00:31:39,165 --> 00:31:41,668
- To Norwood,
that parallels between
693
00:31:41,701 --> 00:31:45,505
Malcolm's and Corey's cases
were unmistakable.
694
00:31:45,538 --> 00:31:47,173
- These teenagers
were threatened
695
00:31:47,207 --> 00:31:49,976
with being charged
themselves
696
00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:51,111
if they didn't say
697
00:31:51,111 --> 00:31:54,581
what the detectives
wanted them to say.
698
00:31:54,614 --> 00:31:57,817
You know, once...
[sighs]
699
00:31:57,851 --> 00:31:59,252
twice is a pattern,
700
00:31:59,285 --> 00:32:01,054
a pattern of conduct,
701
00:32:01,054 --> 00:32:05,091
a pattern of how
to gain a conviction.
702
00:32:05,125 --> 00:32:06,526
- But in Corey's case,
703
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:09,529
it wasn't just
allegations of coercion.
704
00:32:09,562 --> 00:32:12,699
Norwood found
three different eyewitnesses
705
00:32:12,732 --> 00:32:16,603
who told police someone else
was the shooter.
706
00:32:16,636 --> 00:32:19,339
None of them testified
at Corey's trial.
707
00:32:19,372 --> 00:32:20,440
- They all describe
708
00:32:20,473 --> 00:32:23,109
the exact same physical
appearance of someone,
709
00:32:23,143 --> 00:32:26,312
5'7"-ish, 150-ish.
710
00:32:26,346 --> 00:32:28,248
That was an a-ha moment,
711
00:32:28,281 --> 00:32:30,417
'cause Corey Atchison's 6'2".
712
00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:32,318
He's a big dude.
713
00:32:32,352 --> 00:32:35,155
No one is going to
misinterpret Corey Atchison
714
00:32:35,188 --> 00:32:38,725
for being 5'7", 150,
okay?
715
00:32:38,758 --> 00:32:40,293
- Given all this
new evidence,
716
00:32:40,326 --> 00:32:44,230
Malcolm thought his brother
finally had a chance
717
00:32:45,298 --> 00:32:47,867
- What's up, bro?
718
00:32:47,901 --> 00:32:49,536
- Every time I talk to you,
you know, like,
719
00:32:49,569 --> 00:32:52,105
when we-when we were
talking about you,
720
00:32:52,105 --> 00:32:54,607
you coming home,
I'm like,
721
00:32:54,641 --> 00:32:56,476
I was just on
the other side,
722
00:32:56,509 --> 00:32:58,111
you know what
I'm saying?
723
00:33:02,082 --> 00:33:04,250
- This call will be terminated
in two minutes.
724
00:33:07,220 --> 00:33:08,888
- Right.
That's what it is.
725
00:33:08,922 --> 00:33:10,256
One little piece
at a time, man.
726
00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:11,791
And every little step
we take here
727
00:33:11,825 --> 00:33:14,961
is gonna get us to that final--
that big goal,
728
00:33:15,061 --> 00:33:16,763
you know what I mean,
to that big one
729
00:33:16,796 --> 00:33:19,065
that we're reaching for.
- Yeah.
730
00:33:19,065 --> 00:33:22,235
- Will Corey and Malcolm
finally reunite?
731
00:33:26,306 --> 00:33:28,074
You know there are
also other witnesses
732
00:33:28,074 --> 00:33:30,443
who recanted.
733
00:33:30,477 --> 00:33:32,345
- I don't know that.
Okay?
734
00:33:32,379 --> 00:33:34,114
I don't know
who said what.
735
00:33:34,147 --> 00:33:38,318
- The DA in Corey's case
faces some questions.
736
00:33:38,351 --> 00:33:40,520
But you could see
how someone would say
737
00:33:40,553 --> 00:33:43,356
you've got several
witnesses all saying
738
00:33:43,390 --> 00:33:45,091
their testimony
was coerced.
739
00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:46,393
Can they all be lying?
740
00:33:46,426 --> 00:33:48,361
- If they're present
at the scene,
741
00:33:48,395 --> 00:33:50,764
and they're saying Mr. Atchison
was not the shooter,
742
00:33:50,797 --> 00:33:52,365
then tell me who is.
743
00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:55,835
- When "Dateline: Secrets
Uncovered" continues.
744
00:34:02,308 --> 00:34:03,410
- Welcome back.
745
00:34:03,443 --> 00:34:05,712
After more than two decades
behind bars,
746
00:34:05,745 --> 00:34:08,048
Malcolm Scott
and De'Marchoe Carpenter
747
00:34:08,081 --> 00:34:11,051
were declared innocent
of committing murder,
748
00:34:11,051 --> 00:34:12,786
their defense team
having proved
749
00:34:12,819 --> 00:34:15,655
a pattern
of police coercion.
750
00:34:15,689 --> 00:34:17,924
But Malcolm's brother Corey
was still in prison
751
00:34:17,957 --> 00:34:20,226
for 28 long years,
752
00:34:20,260 --> 00:34:22,162
and it was all about
to boil down
753
00:34:22,195 --> 00:34:23,863
to a single moment
754
00:34:23,897 --> 00:34:26,666
when a judge would
declare his fate.
755
00:34:26,700 --> 00:34:33,773
Now the conclusion of
The Long Road to Freedom.
756
00:34:33,807 --> 00:34:35,909
- Is this-- is it
gonna happen this time?
757
00:34:35,942 --> 00:34:38,144
Just thinking
about everything.
758
00:34:38,178 --> 00:34:41,348
- It's one day before
a judge will decide
759
00:34:41,381 --> 00:34:43,616
whether 47-year-old
Corey Atchison
760
00:34:43,650 --> 00:34:45,752
becomes a free man
761
00:34:45,785 --> 00:34:50,190
or spends the rest
of his life in prison.
762
00:34:50,223 --> 00:34:51,758
But even if
Corey gets out,
763
00:34:51,791 --> 00:34:54,861
life will not
be easy.
764
00:34:54,894 --> 00:34:56,162
Take De'Marchoe.
765
00:34:56,196 --> 00:34:58,098
What's it been like
being on the outside?
766
00:34:58,131 --> 00:35:00,166
- It's been a struggle.
767
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,268
You know, I'm still trying
to figure out
768
00:35:02,302 --> 00:35:04,137
who I am
and what I want to do.
769
00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:07,507
You know, I missed out
on so much.
770
00:35:07,540 --> 00:35:10,944
- Malcolm on the other hand
has adjusted well.
771
00:35:11,044 --> 00:35:14,614
He lives in Texas, where
he works as a personal trainer,
772
00:35:14,647 --> 00:35:17,317
and he's in love.
773
00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:20,286
But Malcolm said his life
would not be complete
774
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,157
until the judge said
those same words to Corey
775
00:35:24,190 --> 00:35:26,092
that she said to him.
776
00:35:26,126 --> 00:35:31,164
- Once she finally makes
that final decision,
777
00:35:31,197 --> 00:35:33,400
you're a free man,
778
00:35:33,433 --> 00:35:35,735
I feel like...
[laughs]
779
00:35:39,806 --> 00:35:42,208
That's when
it's there, man.
780
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:45,245
- Hey.
- That's Mom right here.
781
00:35:45,278 --> 00:35:47,580
- [indistinct]
782
00:35:47,614 --> 00:35:50,183
How are you?
- Fine.
783
00:35:50,216 --> 00:35:52,318
Been waiting
for this day to come.
784
00:35:52,352 --> 00:35:53,687
I've been waiting
for a long time.
785
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,790
I've been praying
for this.
786
00:35:56,823 --> 00:35:58,491
- Family and friends
assembled
787
00:35:58,525 --> 00:36:00,527
at the Tulsa County
courthouse.
788
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,663
No cameras were allowed
inside the courtroom,
789
00:36:03,697 --> 00:36:06,299
but I was there
to hear the judge's words.
790
00:36:06,332 --> 00:36:08,234
She declared
there had been
791
00:36:08,268 --> 00:36:11,037
a fundamental
miscarriage of justice
792
00:36:11,071 --> 00:36:14,407
and found there was clear
and convincing evidence
793
00:36:14,441 --> 00:36:17,844
that Corey Atchison
did not commit this crime.
794
00:36:17,877 --> 00:36:20,046
- I knew he didn't do it.
I knew he didn't do it.
795
00:36:21,548 --> 00:36:23,950
- His daughter Courtney,
28 years old,
796
00:36:24,050 --> 00:36:27,187
a parent herself,
was overjoyed.
797
00:36:27,220 --> 00:36:28,088
When you heard
the judge say,
798
00:36:28,121 --> 00:36:29,389
"Corey Atchison,
you're a free man"?
799
00:36:29,422 --> 00:36:31,658
- Uh-huh.
- What'd you think?
800
00:36:31,691 --> 00:36:35,362
- There's no words to explain,
like, I'm just so happy.
801
00:36:35,395 --> 00:36:37,364
I'm just ready for him
to come home
802
00:36:37,397 --> 00:36:39,466
and be there for me
and my baby.
803
00:36:39,499 --> 00:36:42,202
- "Dateline" repeatedly asked
the Tulsa Police Department
804
00:36:42,235 --> 00:36:45,805
to respond to the allegations
it threatened teenage witnesses
805
00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:48,842
in both Malcolm's
and Corey's cases.
806
00:36:48,875 --> 00:36:51,945
We also asked the DA's
and the mayor's office
807
00:36:51,978 --> 00:36:55,248
for interviews.
They all declined.
808
00:36:55,281 --> 00:36:57,650
But we did speak
to Tim Harris,
809
00:36:57,684 --> 00:36:59,753
Tulsa's former
district attorney
810
00:36:59,786 --> 00:37:01,354
who prosecuted Corey
811
00:37:01,388 --> 00:37:04,357
and who Doane Thomas
said coerced him
812
00:37:04,391 --> 00:37:07,360
into lying that Corey
was the shooter.
813
00:37:07,394 --> 00:37:10,697
- The allegations
are patently false, untrue.
814
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:12,032
They're lies.
815
00:37:12,032 --> 00:37:14,834
I says as an elected
district attorney
816
00:37:14,868 --> 00:37:17,203
in this community
for 16 years,
817
00:37:17,237 --> 00:37:20,507
I've never coerced,
I've never forced,
818
00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:23,610
and I certainly never
presented false testimony,
819
00:37:23,643 --> 00:37:28,081
not only in Mr. Thomas,
but in any case in my career.
820
00:37:28,114 --> 00:37:30,350
- What about Ben King?
821
00:37:30,383 --> 00:37:33,053
- I can't remember
what Mr. King said.
822
00:37:33,053 --> 00:37:34,421
That was 28 years ago.
823
00:37:34,454 --> 00:37:36,322
- But you know there are
also other witnesses
824
00:37:36,356 --> 00:37:38,725
who recanted.
825
00:37:38,758 --> 00:37:40,660
- I don't know that.
Okay?
826
00:37:40,694 --> 00:37:42,762
I don't know
who said what.
827
00:37:42,796 --> 00:37:43,897
- But you could see
how someone
828
00:37:43,930 --> 00:37:46,433
who's looking at this case
from the outside
829
00:37:46,466 --> 00:37:51,071
w-who would say you've got
several witnesses
830
00:37:51,071 --> 00:37:54,074
all saying their testimony
was coerced,
831
00:37:54,074 --> 00:37:56,109
can they all
be lying?
832
00:37:56,142 --> 00:37:59,446
- I-I don't know
what they said, okay?
833
00:37:59,479 --> 00:38:01,614
But if they're present
at the scene,
834
00:38:01,648 --> 00:38:04,050
and they're saying Mr. Atchison
was not the shooter,
835
00:38:04,084 --> 00:38:05,752
then tell me who is.
836
00:38:05,785 --> 00:38:07,887
All I know
is I presented the evidence
837
00:38:07,921 --> 00:38:10,523
that was presented to me
at a jury trial,
838
00:38:10,557 --> 00:38:14,160
and 12 citizens listened
to all the evidence
839
00:38:14,194 --> 00:38:17,697
and decided that Mr. Atchison
was guilty of 1st degree murder.
840
00:38:17,731 --> 00:38:21,034
- Although the judge said
had the same 12 jurors
841
00:38:21,067 --> 00:38:23,370
listened to all
of the evidence,
842
00:38:23,403 --> 00:38:26,706
they would have likely reached
a different conclusion.
843
00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:29,075
- You know, that's her opinion.
I respect it.
844
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:30,910
I certainly
disagree with it.
845
00:38:30,944 --> 00:38:34,047
- The system doesn't
want to acknowledge
846
00:38:34,047 --> 00:38:37,183
that they made a mistake.
But you made a mistake.
847
00:38:37,217 --> 00:38:38,818
You made
a horrible mistake,
848
00:38:38,852 --> 00:38:40,220
and the fact
that it happened twice
849
00:38:40,253 --> 00:38:44,657
in the same family is--
t-there are no words.
850
00:38:44,691 --> 00:38:47,794
- In 2020,
the Oklahoma Innocence Project
851
00:38:47,827 --> 00:38:51,931
worked on a staggering
145 potential
852
00:38:51,965 --> 00:38:54,701
wrongful conviction cases
in Tulsa.
853
00:38:54,734 --> 00:38:56,269
- There is
a problem here,
854
00:38:56,302 --> 00:38:58,405
and it continues
to be a problem.
855
00:38:58,438 --> 00:39:01,007
- And of course,
it is a national problem,
856
00:39:01,041 --> 00:39:03,743
especially for
African Americans.
857
00:39:03,777 --> 00:39:07,013
A 2017 study of the National
Exoneration Registry
858
00:39:07,013 --> 00:39:09,049
showed that innocent
Black people
859
00:39:09,082 --> 00:39:11,317
were about seven times
more likely
860
00:39:11,351 --> 00:39:12,919
to be convicted
of murder
861
00:39:13,019 --> 00:39:14,487
than innocent
White people.
862
00:39:14,521 --> 00:39:19,159
And that police misconduct
was 22% more likely
863
00:39:19,192 --> 00:39:21,561
to play a role
in their exoneration
864
00:39:21,594 --> 00:39:24,164
than with
White defendants.
865
00:39:24,197 --> 00:39:26,666
- Now people are saying
how can we fix it?
866
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:28,868
But very few people
867
00:39:28,902 --> 00:39:31,104
on the state side
want to sit down
868
00:39:31,137 --> 00:39:32,706
and have an honest
conversation
869
00:39:32,739 --> 00:39:35,041
about how did we
get here?
870
00:39:35,041 --> 00:39:38,578
- In June 2020, just weeks
after George Floyd's murder,
871
00:39:38,611 --> 00:39:41,414
a Tulsa police major said
that the police
872
00:39:41,448 --> 00:39:43,550
are not systematically racist,
873
00:39:43,583 --> 00:39:46,186
citing crime statistics
he said showed
874
00:39:46,219 --> 00:39:48,521
police are shooting
African Americans, quote,
875
00:39:48,555 --> 00:39:51,324
"24% less than they
probably ought to be"
876
00:39:51,358 --> 00:39:53,059
based on the crimes
being committed.
877
00:39:53,059 --> 00:39:56,663
Tulsa's first African American
police chief and its mayor
878
00:39:56,696 --> 00:39:58,832
criticized those remarks.
879
00:39:58,865 --> 00:40:00,633
- What came out
of his mouth
880
00:40:00,667 --> 00:40:04,437
is in no way
reflective
881
00:40:04,471 --> 00:40:06,906
of what we're
trying to accomplish
882
00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:08,008
in the city of Tulsa
883
00:40:08,041 --> 00:40:09,743
or in the Tulsa
Police Department.
884
00:40:09,776 --> 00:40:13,780
- Then this body cam video
of Tulsa police
885
00:40:13,813 --> 00:40:15,615
forcefully arresting
a Black teenager
886
00:40:15,648 --> 00:40:19,719
in North Tulsa for jaywalking
went viral.
887
00:40:19,753 --> 00:40:22,022
- Hey, why are you-- why are you
putting your hands on me?
888
00:40:22,055 --> 00:40:23,890
- Meanwhile,
Malcolm and De'Marchoe
889
00:40:23,923 --> 00:40:25,458
are suing the city
of Tulsa
890
00:40:25,492 --> 00:40:28,228
and the individual
police officers
891
00:40:28,261 --> 00:40:30,730
who they claim
coerced testimonies
892
00:40:30,764 --> 00:40:32,399
used to convict them.
893
00:40:32,432 --> 00:40:35,435
The city and the officers
have denied the claims
894
00:40:35,468 --> 00:40:37,837
and are fighting
to dismiss the lawsuit.
895
00:40:37,871 --> 00:40:41,541
Malcolm says
he's not looking for blame.
896
00:40:41,574 --> 00:40:43,576
He wants
to provoke change.
897
00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:46,046
- My heart is strong
898
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:47,814
about every single one
of those people
899
00:40:47,847 --> 00:40:49,783
that's going through
that fight and that struggle
900
00:40:49,816 --> 00:40:52,452
to prove their innocence.
I know the pain.
901
00:40:52,485 --> 00:40:55,455
I know the hurt.
902
00:40:55,488 --> 00:40:58,425
That's what this is
about for me,
903
00:40:58,458 --> 00:41:01,061
giving the next man
a chance.
904
00:41:01,061 --> 00:41:05,799
- Hey.
[applause]
905
00:41:05,832 --> 00:41:07,267
- Welcome to freedom.
906
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:08,501
- Hey.
907
00:41:08,535 --> 00:41:11,271
- Corey's struggle
to prove his innocence
908
00:41:11,304 --> 00:41:12,605
is done.
909
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,508
- My other guy
right here.
910
00:41:15,542 --> 00:41:19,179
- Malcolm, their mom,
family and friends
911
00:41:19,212 --> 00:41:21,281
get ready
to welcome Corey
912
00:41:21,314 --> 00:41:25,251
as he takes his first steps
as a free man
913
00:41:25,285 --> 00:41:27,687
in 28 years.
914
00:41:27,721 --> 00:41:29,522
I would imagine that
you spent many a night
915
00:41:29,556 --> 00:41:31,424
thinking about how
this is gonna go.
916
00:41:31,458 --> 00:41:34,194
- Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I had this dream.
917
00:41:34,227 --> 00:41:36,763
I remember I woke up
with tears in my eyes,
918
00:41:36,796 --> 00:41:39,265
and one of my pod mates
came in my cell,
919
00:41:39,299 --> 00:41:41,201
and he said,
"what's up?"
920
00:41:41,234 --> 00:41:43,970
I said,
"man, I'm going home."
921
00:41:44,004 --> 00:41:46,573
- Here he come,
here he come.
922
00:41:46,606 --> 00:41:49,275
[cheering]
923
00:41:49,309 --> 00:41:51,778
- A little over a year
after his release,
924
00:41:51,811 --> 00:41:54,881
Corey Atchison sued
the State of Oklahoma
925
00:41:54,914 --> 00:41:56,850
for wrongful
conviction.
926
00:41:56,883 --> 00:42:01,254
In June of 2021,
the State settled the claim.
927
00:42:01,287 --> 00:42:02,856
While denying liability,
928
00:42:02,889 --> 00:42:07,427
officials paid Corey
$175,000,
929
00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:10,563
the maximum allowed
under Oklahoma law.
930
00:42:10,597 --> 00:42:18,338
That's roughly $6,250 for each
of his 28 years behind bars.
931
00:42:18,371 --> 00:42:21,074
From 2016 to 2020,
932
00:42:21,074 --> 00:42:25,078
374 people wrongfully
convicted of murder,
933
00:42:25,078 --> 00:42:27,947
61% African Americans,
934
00:42:27,981 --> 00:42:30,283
have reunited
with their families.
935
00:42:30,316 --> 00:42:36,189
Together they spent
over 6,000 years in prison.
936
00:42:36,222 --> 00:42:41,094
Years they will
never get back.
937
00:42:41,094 --> 00:42:44,097
That's all for this edition of
"Dateline: Secrets Uncovered."
938
00:42:44,097 --> 00:42:44,998
I'm Craig Melvin.
Thank you for watching.
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