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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,120 Ladies, gentlemen, and those of us smart enough to transcend a gender. 2 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:25,280 I know... I'm fabulous. 3 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,720 My pronoun's a fat bitch. 4 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,360 For me! 5 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,400 This place is wild. 6 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,560 It's rule-breaking, gender-bending, 7 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,120 and it's at the forefront of what I see as a gender revolution. 8 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:01,360 Gender: it's a subject that gets a lot of people very worked up. 9 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:02,760 Leave the kid alone. 10 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,840 People get so upset when they see someone like me in a dress. 11 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,720 What exactly is it? 12 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,000 Bender-gender, cis-tem offender. 13 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,600 And why does it matter so much? 14 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,880 -I wanna be a daddy. -You are a daddy. 15 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:19,400 I want to find out, for me, for you, 16 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,400 for all the eight billion inhabitants of Planet Sex. 17 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:29,000 PLANET SEX WITH CARA DELEVINGNE 18 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,080 Is this actually meant to be serious? No... 19 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,920 Quite? Half? 20 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,400 Quasi. 21 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,000 For me, I think gender is probably 22 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,040 the most interesting thing 23 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,480 that runs through all of humanity and society, 24 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,560 but it's the conversation that people have the least. 25 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,680 This is probably the first time I've spoken about gender like this, 26 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,120 ever in my life... and it's been 29 years too late! 27 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,200 When I was a little girl, 28 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,360 I liked dressing up in boy's clothes. 29 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,480 I didn't like Barbies, I liked Action Men. I liked cars. 30 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,160 But then if someone mistook me for a guy, I'd be like, 31 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,400 "No, I'm a girl. Can't you see that?" 32 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:20,160 I started having these gender identity crises as a teenager. 33 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,080 I felt very alone. Completely. There was no one I could talk to. 34 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,960 The whole thing is very odd. I'm still figuring it out. 35 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,040 -That's so sweet. -That was good. 36 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,440 Shut up! 37 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,480 To understand myself better, 38 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,800 I need to discover what gender feels like for other people. 39 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,280 So I'm putting myself out there 40 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,680 and going to meet some fabulous gender queer folk. 41 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,320 There's no better place to start 42 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,800 than with someone who's had an extraordinary gender journey. 43 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,600 This isn't the right place. 44 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,760 This is one of my nearest and dearest friends, Mik. 45 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,760 You might recognise him as Gottmik, 46 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,160 from the legendary Ru Paul's Drag Race. 47 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,120 All right, stunning angel of my life. 48 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,640 This is Roland's studio. 49 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,640 A lot of artistry happens here. 50 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,680 I got ready for Drag Race here, 51 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,840 covered this place with all my stuff. 52 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,080 This is iconic. 53 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,760 I'm a trans man, 54 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,920 which means I was assigned female at birth, 55 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,360 and then transitioned into a man. 56 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,720 But I definitely love playing with femininity. 57 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,720 That's why I love drag so much, it allows you to do that. 58 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,400 I wake up as a guy and go to sleep as a guy. 59 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,560 Gottmik, that female-ish persona, 60 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,680 is 1000% just my art form. 61 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,720 When did you first discover that people can transition? 62 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,360 I'm from Arizona, where it's very conservative. 63 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,120 I didn't even know what trans was. 64 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,000 When I was 18, I met a bunch of trans women 65 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,320 who taught me what trans was and it just clicked. 66 00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:21,400 I didn't transition for so long because I was very feminine, 67 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,720 and all the trans guys I ever saw were just very masculine. 68 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,840 So I used drag to see what I was comfortable with. 69 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,480 It kind of helped me find my gender and realise that 70 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,600 I'm 1000% not a girl and 1000% a guy. 71 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,000 It's amazing. 72 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:47,080 I started hormones and it was like everything fell into place. 73 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:52,240 It was almost like every issue I had was solved in one second. 74 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,120 It was like the world was like, "You're on the right path, bitch." 75 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,560 And it was game over. 76 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,640 Mik's journey, from being assigned female at birth, 77 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,720 to a trans man who loves to play with femininity, 78 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,920 has got me thinking about my own path. 79 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,640 If someone had asked me as a kid if I wanted to be a boy... 80 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,640 -Yeah... -I do wonder about this a lot. 81 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,560 If I hadn't become famous, would it be different? 82 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,160 If I wasn't a model, would it have been different? 83 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:22,600 It is scary. 84 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:27,160 When I started transitioning, I was a celebrity make-up artist. 85 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,840 It was scary, I was like, my God, what am I going to do? 86 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,120 Go up to my celebrity clients and say "Hi, I'm a man today"? 87 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,200 I can't even imagine even like playing with gender 88 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:41,520 and trying to figure out shit in front of the world like that. 89 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,680 All right, so where do you think you're headed with this? 90 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,240 I honestly don't know. 91 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:50,840 The older I've gotten, 92 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,200 the less I'm trying to get approval from my family. 93 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:59,040 I wonder if I said, "Guys, I want to transition into being a man," 94 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,200 what they would do? 95 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:04,080 And by the way, I would never say that to them. 96 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,320 This is the thing, it's nothing against them. They love me. 97 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,640 It's just, some people don't understand what that is. 98 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,280 And they look at you like they don't know you, suddenly. 99 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,600 I love you so much, for who you are. 100 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,080 No, but I mean, that's... 101 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,080 -I wanna be a daddy. -You are a daddy, no matter what. 102 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,120 Maybe one way to explore my inner masculinity 103 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,920 and play with gender is to dress up in drag. 104 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,880 So Gottmik's put me in the make-up chair. 105 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,040 -I love this, thickening your brows. -Yeah, you are. 106 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:51,440 I haven't ever dressed in male drag apart from when I was nine. 107 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,160 I would go down the street dressed as a boy. 108 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,120 I used to get the foam shaving cream and put it on my face 109 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,800 and pretend to shave with the end of a moisturiser, because it's hard. 110 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,640 I used to do it next to my dad, because I wanted to be... 111 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:09,720 I get so nervous. 112 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,880 What are we trying to build? Like a gender... 113 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,320 Bender... Cis-tem offender. 114 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:16,720 Yep. 115 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,520 -I'm writing it down. -Why are you doing that? 116 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,200 -I think I have a problem. -Bender gender cis-tem offender. 117 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,360 -Now we transform her. -OK. 118 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,680 Fem-gen-gen-man, welcome to the world. 119 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,520 It's scary. But in a good way. 120 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,240 -You look like Zac Efron. -It matches my eyebrows perfectly. 121 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,840 I mean, it's not...not... 122 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,480 You honestly look hot as all hell. 123 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,440 And after a bit of that Gottmik magic... 124 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,080 I'm really feeling it. 125 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,040 Wow. What gender is happening here, ladies? 126 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,640 Yep. Gentlemen. 127 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,160 You're cool. 128 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,880 For me, drag is an outward expression 129 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,120 of how I feel inside, in some way, shape or form. 130 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,720 My gender is this kind of like... 131 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,480 multi-coloured sea of... 132 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,320 sometimes it's wavy and sometimes it's completely still, 133 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,720 sometimes there's miles of tidal waves, it's just... 134 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,600 For me, it never feels fixed. 135 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,760 But hold off a second. 136 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,040 Before we dig too deep here, I want to clear some things up. 137 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,800 Like, what actually is gender? 138 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,400 And is it different from what sex you are? 139 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,520 Let's talk about gender, baby! 140 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,000 Gender. 141 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,920 So I've called in my fellow Brit 142 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,080 and expert, Dr Ronx. 143 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,960 -So right now... -This looks fun. 144 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,840 We're going to do cue cards. 145 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,200 -I'm a bit nervous. -Gender. 146 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,160 Oh, my God, that's... 147 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,680 -It's not an easy starter for ten. -What is gender? 148 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,920 Gender is essentially how somebody feels inside, 149 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,320 an innate feeling. 150 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:22,000 It's not necessarily related to somebody's sex assigned at birth. 151 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,800 Shall we talk about what sex is? 152 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,520 Because I think people can confuse sex and gender. 153 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,560 Yes, exactly. Sex. 154 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,120 OK. Sex... 155 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,080 Sex is essentially a term that's given to people at birth 156 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:40,920 and it divides people into two, binary constructs, male or female. 157 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,840 It's usually related to their external sex organs. 158 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,480 So... What is your sex? 159 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,480 I mean, my sex is... I have a vagina. 160 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:53,080 So society assumes that if you have a vagina, 161 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,600 you are going to feel that you are a woman. 162 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:58,320 And if you have a penis, 163 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,960 that you are going to feel that you are a man. 164 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,000 Not everybody goes on to fit neatly into the box 165 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,120 that society says they should fit into. 166 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,600 Wow. So true. 167 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,440 Trans / transgender. 168 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,160 So, trans people feel that their gender 169 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,960 isn't aligned to the sex they were assigned to at birth. 170 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,720 So for example a female child 171 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,400 may not grow into a woman. 172 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,920 They might identify as a man. 173 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,760 But the thing we have to be very clear about 174 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,480 is that the trans experience 175 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:40,840 is different for absolutely everybody. 176 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,960 I personally have grown up without feeling like I have a gender. 177 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,160 But it's more that I didn't belong in any of the gender stereotypes. 178 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,040 For me, the whole feminine identity was so annoying, 179 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,960 I was like, I am a person who likes to play outside, 180 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,480 build, climb, do crazy things, 181 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:58,000 and this dress my mum used to try to put me in 182 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,400 with really long hair, I was like, "I can't do any of those things." 183 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,680 So for me, for example, I don't feel as though I'm a woman. 184 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,840 So I would call myself trans. 185 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,080 I have a vagina and say that my sex is female, fine. 186 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,320 But that doesn't mean I have to walk around the world 187 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,080 in a kind of... 188 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,480 -As a woman. -Yeah, of course. 189 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,560 Some estimate that for around 98% of folk, 190 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,040 their sex and their gender match up. 191 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,120 But about 2% feel differently. 192 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:34,960 Growing up in the UK, 193 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,600 I've been deeply influenced by my culture's belief 194 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:41,080 that boys should be boys and girls, well, girls. 195 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,680 But there are other cultures 196 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,920 where sex and gender aren't thought of so rigidly. 197 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,040 OAXACA MEXICO 198 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,600 500 miles south of Mexico City live the indigenous Zapotec people. 199 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,160 And for more than 500 years, 200 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,200 they've recognised not two but three genders: 201 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,280 men, women and muxe. 202 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,520 I'm not a man, I'm not a woman, 203 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,400 I am proud to be muxe. 204 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,640 Welcome to my home. 205 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,320 Felina, like most muxe people, 206 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,160 was assigned male at birth. 207 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,120 I was in primary school 208 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,960 when I realised there were men 209 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,400 and there were women, 210 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,720 and I didn't fit into either. 211 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,160 Because I'm not a woman, 212 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,040 I don't feel like a woman, 213 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,800 but I'm not a man either. 214 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,200 But my brothers, my aunts and my cousins, 215 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,360 they knew as soon as I started walking that I was muxe. 216 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,800 It's a collective discovery, it's not individual. 217 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,840 We don't have to prepare our parents for when we tell them, 218 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,760 "I am muxe." 219 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,440 Instead, everyone knows. 220 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,440 I love that. 221 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,560 Muxe make up about 6% of people in Felina's hometown, 222 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,720 where they play a unique role. 223 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,240 Some choose to dress in traditionally masculine clothing. 224 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,800 But most wear dresses and work in stereotypically feminine trades 225 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,560 such as cooking, hairdressing and weaving. 226 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,040 Today, Felina is bringing together muxe from all over the state, 227 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,440 for an annual festival 228 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,840 celebrating muxe culture, visibility and bravery. 229 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,480 For me, it's very important 230 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:34,240 to keep our customs and traditions alive, 231 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,280 so that they never die. 232 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,240 It gives us the opportunity 233 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,520 to get together, to hug one another, 234 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,560 to dance and spend time together. 235 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,960 The Catholic Church isn't known for supporting gender diversity, 236 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,360 but here in Oaxaca, it's a big part of the muxe festivities. 237 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,400 As muxes, it's very important to receive a blessing. 238 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,680 The priest says we are all God's children. 239 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,880 Oaxaca is not paradise, 240 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,360 but we have worked 241 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,880 to gain visibility and recognition. 242 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,640 Bravo! 243 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,880 It's the first festival since before the pandemic. 244 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,720 Today I feel very proud, very happy. 245 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,800 What can we show to the world? 246 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,800 Well, obviously, tolerance and acceptance as people. 247 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,520 I think we should be loved and accepted as human beings. 248 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,120 I am what I am. 249 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,880 This is part of me, of my culture 250 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,440 and my way of being. 251 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,280 I feel proud of my identity. 252 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,960 It turns out, it's not just Oaxaca that has more than two genders. 253 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,040 India has the hijra, 254 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,840 in Naples, Italy, there are the feminielli, 255 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,520 many indigenous Americans recognise two-spirit people, 256 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,240 whilst Samoa has the fa'fafine, 257 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,680 and an island in Indonesia even recognises up to five genders. 258 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,720 No, come on, don't eat the birds. 259 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,840 I think the Western culture that I grew up in, 260 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,400 with just two genders, men and women, 261 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,600 is far too restrictive. 262 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,760 It's no wonder some people just can't help but rebel. 263 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,080 Like Alok, who defines themself as non-binary, 264 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,160 meaning they feel neither like a man nor like a woman. 265 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,920 What do you want from me? 266 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,480 Alok's taking me to a tailor in the West Village 267 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,840 whose family has been dressing the gender non-conforming community 268 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,320 for 35 years. 269 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,240 -Hi. -How are you? 270 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,920 -Oh, my God. -Your dress is ready, I think. 271 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,920 -That looks great. -I want you to try them. 272 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,440 OK. 273 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,440 -How do you like it? -It's really great. 274 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,360 -The length is good. -Yeah. 275 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,440 -It looks good. -Can we get more room up here? 276 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,840 -More room here? -My shoulders are kind of wide. 277 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,840 -We can do that. -Thank you. 278 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:52,240 People get so upset when they see someone like me in a dress. 279 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,240 They'll go, "That's a man in a dress!" 280 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:55,880 So what? 281 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,200 Why are we so concerned with policing fashion? 282 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,600 Do you think the binary has affected us badly? 283 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,840 -Yes. -Is that more along the lines...? 284 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,360 We're constantly saying, 285 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,400 "You're not masculine enough, feminine enough." 286 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,160 We're constantly made to feel like we're not enough. 287 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,000 Being a man has to be opposite to being a woman. 288 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,440 It only gives us two options. 289 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,280 There's so many different genders and sexes and sexualities, 290 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:24,640 in animals and plants and humans. 291 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,560 Gender and sexual diversity is what's natural, 292 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,560 not dividing billions of complex things into two categories. 293 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,400 Why, when it comes to humans, do we say, 294 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,120 you all have to be this way? 295 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,760 Yeah, put it in a box, black and white, this or that. 296 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,720 Meeting you, you're so... outside of gender. 297 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,080 And you have such confidence in your masculinity. 298 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,600 And for me it was a wake-up call 299 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,360 that all of us are in this journey 300 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,120 of trying to figure out who we are outside of what we've been told. 301 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:03,920 And that, actually, in a world without that societal pressure, 302 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,800 who would we be? 303 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,800 These things are so ingrained in us, 304 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,440 I realise how much internalised shame I have against myself, 305 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,320 not to anyone else, 306 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,560 But it's still... whatever your parents or grandparents believed. 307 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,840 It does take a long time to change 308 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,720 but the quicker it happens, the more people will find freedom. 309 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:27,160 I often say, they'll try their best to destroy you 310 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,680 and call it love. 311 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,120 But it was often the people who said that they loved me first 312 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,240 who were policing my gender. 313 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,800 I had to... 314 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,280 deny myself, erase myself, invisibilise myself, 315 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:42,360 So I didn't allow any video recordings of me, 316 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,600 I didn't want any photos or audio recordings, 317 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,760 because I felt I was too feminine, my voice and gestures too girly. 318 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,160 I was literally in a straightjacket. 319 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,560 So I wouldn't express myself at all. 320 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,000 Can I ask how your relationship is with your family now? 321 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,680 It's so much better now. 322 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,800 I think because they saw how... this is what happiness is. 323 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,920 Yeah, it's so important. 324 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,640 I want to be happy, I want to be me, 325 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,640 I want to live life outside of norms and binaries, 326 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,880 I want to live the question. 327 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,240 And one of the things I wanted to ask you is, 328 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,920 modelling, do you feel like it's difficult 329 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,200 to figure out what your own image is? 330 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,160 Yeah. 331 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,880 Yeah, really. 332 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,880 My identity as a person, I don't really know what that is. 333 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,840 In the way of, like... 334 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:37,760 I went from being a suicidal, depressed teenager 335 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,320 to going straight out of school and becoming a famous model. 336 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,040 I don't know who I am. Lots of people don't know who they are. 337 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:48,880 -Right. -I'm nearly 30 and I feel like 16. 338 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,680 Our experiences show 339 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,560 how harmful rigid ideas about masculinity and femininity are. 340 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,760 Not just to people who feel they don't fit, 341 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,200 but to all of society. 342 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,560 For what it's worth, if I had grown up in a world 343 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,280 that understood the complexities of gender a bit better, 344 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:10,760 I think my childhood would have been a lot easier and happier. 345 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,240 When I was a teenager, 346 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,280 I mean, I had a lot of mental stuff going on. 347 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:20,080 Pretty heavy depression, suicidal thoughts, 348 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,880 you know, I had a mental breakdown. 349 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:27,760 It was all to do with finding identity and sexuality and gender... 350 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,000 Yeah, I think a lot of that was pretty rough. 351 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,920 Because I wasn't like everyone else. 352 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,280 But actually, I was wrong. 353 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,400 Like me, a lot of people growing up feel confused about gender. 354 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,360 The big question is, why? 355 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:53,000 Well, gender can be influenced by how and where we're brought up, 356 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,440 social pressures, 357 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,160 and science tells us that some of it is down to our biology. 358 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,000 That's you there, in the womb, 359 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,200 with a soup of sex hormones running through your body. 360 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,160 One key ingredient is testosterone. 361 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,720 For many people, the more testosterone in the mix, 362 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:16,240 the more male you may look on the outside and feel inside. 363 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,360 Low testosterone may make you look and feel more female. 364 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,240 But hormones combine in complex ways, 365 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,520 meaning sometimes you look one way and feel quite different. 366 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,920 That's why gender is more of a spectrum than just men and women. 367 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,560 And, perhaps surprisingly, so is your body. 368 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:40,280 Genes and hormones influence whether you develop a penis or a vagina, 369 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:43,680 and there can be dozens of biological variations. 370 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,040 Meet River Gallo. 371 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:55,120 They are not male or female, they are intersex, 372 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,360 meaning their sex at birth was unclear. 373 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,720 I used to religiously not step on cracks. 374 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,200 Of course, me too. 375 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,440 Two in a row's good, three in a row's bad luck. 376 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,040 You have to spin round ten times, 377 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,600 kick a lamp-post, spit and go, "Aye, aye, sailor." 378 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,080 Ow... 379 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,480 That's what happens when you're with your bad luck friend. 380 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,320 Fuck you, tree. 381 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:23,240 River's family runs an El Salvadorean restaurant. 382 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,680 I cannot wait to find out more about their extraordinary story. 383 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,040 -This is my mom. -Thank you so much for having me. 384 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:30,520 I'm Cara. 385 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,920 Hi. 386 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,320 -Baby. -Hi, Mom. 387 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,880 And to try their famous pupusas. 388 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,960 -These are really good. -Cheese or meat. 389 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,960 Yes, pupusa! 390 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,120 I always say, the pupusas paid for my college. 391 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,880 Tell me a little bit about you growing up. 392 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,320 I knew there was something different about me since I was 12, 393 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:00,040 which was when my doctors told me I was born without testicles. 394 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:03,800 So the idea was, we're going to give you the hormones, 395 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,320 you're going to turn into a boy. 396 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,200 You're going to have these testicles 397 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,760 and you're going to look male down there. 398 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,520 And, essentially, 399 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:18,080 I was put on testosterone to start going through puberty, 400 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,680 and then, when I was 16, I had a surgery 401 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,560 to implant prosthetic testicles into my scrotum. 402 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,680 I wasn't until I went, I want to make a film out of it 403 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,440 that I realised that my condition was intersex. 404 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,920 So it wasn't until I was 26 that I realised that... 405 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,600 -Twenty-six. -Yeah. 406 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,720 There was a word that existed and it was me that looked it up. 407 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,920 River's groundbreaking short film Ponyboi 408 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,160 follows a young, intersex runaway navigating love 409 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,920 and seeking self-acceptance. 410 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,120 It's one of the few films ever 411 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,240 to star an intersex person as an intersex lead. 412 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,440 It opened up a whole new world for River. 413 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,200 While writing the screenplay, I discovered that 414 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,200 my condition is part of the larger intersex umbrella 415 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,760 and found that there were these intersex activists, 416 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,640 who were really vocal about their experiences. 417 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,320 Was it something you were scared of? 418 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,400 Or were you just so happy to find out... 419 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,280 -I mean, like, surely... -Yeah... 420 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:20,920 Definitely, both. 421 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,720 It was a relief because it was community, people, support, 422 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,480 and at the same time it was like... 423 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,480 What the fuck? Why did it take this long? 424 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:38,120 Why did no doctor, in these last 10 or 12 years, tell me anything? 425 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,800 I recently looked at my journals from that time. 426 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,480 It was heartbreaking, 427 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,240 because there was a lot of talk of not wanting to live. 428 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,720 There was a lot of, like, just confusion... 429 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,760 Are you going to cry? OK... 430 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,840 -Just checking. -Shut up! God, you're annoying. 431 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,280 -It breaks my heart, though. -My heart was broken. 432 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,520 I was crying, reading these journal entries. 433 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,520 It was just, like, wow, nobody was really... 434 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,960 I needed help. I was, like, 435 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,240 "I don't feel good, I want to see a therapist." 436 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,760 My parents got me therapists. 437 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,160 -Were you not really pissed? -Yeah! 438 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,160 I turned that anger into activism. 439 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,600 Is it still the norm, if you're born intersex, to be assigned a gender? 440 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,960 Pretty much, yeah. Most doctors say, this is what has to happen. 441 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,560 Leave the kid alone! 442 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,200 It's also doctors preparing children to have heterosexual sex. 443 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,880 Because that's what it is, it's a hetero-patriarchal agenda. 444 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,680 That's part of the reason why this, 445 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,280 what I like to call the intersex tipping point is now happening. 446 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:46,600 Now we're finally realising that our shared experience 447 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,160 is collective power to get these laws made, 448 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,080 so that no intersex child has to go through what we've been through. 449 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,600 It was really, really nice to meet River. 450 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,360 There was a sadness about like... 451 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,640 being emotionally unsupported, 452 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,800 going through all this medical stuff alone. 453 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,680 How crazy it would have been to have someone 454 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,640 make medical decisions that I couldn't even have control over. 455 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,840 So our sexual biology is actually this kaleidoscope of diversity. 456 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:31,240 It's estimated that up to 1.7% of us humans are intersex, 457 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,680 about the same number of people with red hair. 458 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,560 Our bodies don't always fit neatly into two categories. 459 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,280 So is this the same for our minds? 460 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,160 The University of Cambridge, home to Britain's brainiacs, 461 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,200 where scientist Dr Christelle Langley 462 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,920 has been investigating if gender shows up in the brain. 463 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,040 What we tried to do in our study was 464 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,040 to look at whether we could identify 465 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,520 typically male or female brains. 466 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,000 Brain scans of almost 10,000 people from all around the world 467 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,200 have been analysed with artificial intelligence 468 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,200 trained to pick out patterns of neural activity 469 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,760 that differ between males and females. 470 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,920 Interesting. But why are we looking at a cake? 471 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,200 The brain is made up of a number of areas and regions, 472 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,920 much like the ingredients of a cake. 473 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,520 It's similar in the brain, 474 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,360 in that we can't identify these individual components. 475 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,040 The important thing is how the whole brain functions together. 476 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,720 Male and female brains are structurally very similar, 477 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,120 but the team discovered differences in the way they communicate. 478 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,840 Brains were given a score 479 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,520 for how typically male or female their connection patterns are, 480 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,240 and plotted onto... Get ready for it! 481 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,600 A brain-sex continuum. 482 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,880 You'd maybe expect the 10,000 brains 483 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,440 to neatly divide into two groups according to their sex. 484 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,560 But what Dr Christelle discovered was a surprise. 485 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,120 So in our study, what we managed to show was that 486 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,360 approximately 25% mapped onto 487 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,760 the male end of a continuum, 488 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,600 and approximately 25% mapped onto 489 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,960 the female end of the continuum. 490 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,920 The really interesting finding was that 50% of people 491 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,880 had what we call an androgynous brain, 492 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,520 and didn't show any of these 493 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,920 very stereotypical male and female traits. 494 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,240 So the majority don't have brains that are clearly male or female. 495 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,480 They're somewhere in between. 496 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,360 The brain, in terms of sex, is a spectrum. 497 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,760 And that's not all. 498 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,920 We also showed that the 50% that had the androgynous brain 499 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,400 actually had better mental health, 500 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,400 specifically internalising symptoms such as depression and anxiety. 501 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,640 Both the female and male ends of the spectrum had worse mental health. 502 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,720 The study showed people with more androgynous brains 503 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,360 are happier and healthier. 504 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,800 All things, considered, I would choose a slice from this cake. 505 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,600 It's dropping. Sorry! 506 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,520 I think it is way too easily seen for most 507 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,800 as black and white, male and female. 508 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,080 It's so much more dynamic... 509 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,160 and interesting and fascinating than just what it is. 510 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,680 But it's so much more complicated 511 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,200 than just the simple way that you're born. 512 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,400 The whole thing is so archaic, in so many ways. 513 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,120 Okay, story so far: 514 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,840 Rather than being strictly male or female, 515 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,600 our bodies and our minds are more fluid and varied 516 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,880 than they ever thought possible. 517 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,840 A massive mix of circumstances creates millions of unique people 518 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,400 with their own gender identity. 519 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,320 and that's generating lots of revolutionary ideas 520 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,880 about who you can be in the world. 521 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,880 In Japan, there's a gender phenomenon 522 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,840 that's grown over the last 15 years. 523 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,880 Touch your tie. 524 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,880 Dansō: people assigned female at birth 525 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,440 working and often living as men. 526 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,320 I became dansō when I was about 20 years old. 527 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,800 My identity is complete when I am dressed as a man. 528 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,560 There are dansō boy-bands, 529 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,200 dansō bars and dansō heartthrobs. 530 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,680 But behind the showbiz glitz of dansō as entertainment, 531 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,560 lies a really authentic way of life. 532 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,200 Meet Jin, who lives as a dansō full-time. 533 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,160 Welcome. 534 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,160 I usually explain that I live my daily life behaving as a man, 535 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,960 while acknowledging that I am female. 536 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,240 In the past, in Japanese society, 537 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,280 men should be like this, 538 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,200 and women should be like this. 539 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,600 I feel there's a lot of pressure. 540 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,840 I don't like it, I think it's wrong. 541 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,880 Like many dansō, Jin works as an escort. 542 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,400 A strictly non-sexual one, playing the perfect boyfriend. 543 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,960 Jin's got an escort date tonight. 544 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,280 -Ayaka? -Yes. 545 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,000 Good evening. Nice to meet you. I'm Jin. 546 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,080 -Are you nervous? -I am nervous. 547 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,760 It looks so good. 548 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,720 I'd love to hear what you've been up to. 549 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,800 I work in sales. 550 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,440 I think that most women have a strong desire to be heard. 551 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,880 Cheers. 552 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,680 Because I was born female, 553 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,160 I know what a woman wants. 554 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,600 It certainly seems Jin knows how to make a woman feel special. 555 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,000 But I'm curious to know 556 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,920 whether wearing masculine clothing is enough for him. 557 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,480 There was a time 558 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,520 when I wondered if I was transgender. 559 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,920 There are parts of me that are female, 560 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,640 I can live as a dansō, 561 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,000 so I decided not to have surgery. 562 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,920 I am going to live with both the inner part of me that is masculine, 563 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,800 and the feminine part of me, 564 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,520 That's what feels right to me. 565 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,840 I think it's a new form, 566 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,880 a new way of belonging. 567 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,920 I totally get why the dansō want to live and dress like men. 568 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,480 So far, I've only expressed my more masculine side through what I wear. 569 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,960 I've never quite worked out whether I should go further than that. 570 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,520 I'm going on a date Wednesday night, 571 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,320 so what are we doing on Thursday? 572 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,600 Oh, my God, you'll never escape. 573 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,040 When I first started learning about trans people, 574 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,800 I was like, "Wait, but I...felt that," 575 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,800 or "I went through that when I was young," 576 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,320 or "that's kind of crazy..." 577 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,960 And then thinking, "Am I living a lie?" 578 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,080 "Is this this giant secret that maybe I should be a man?" 579 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,800 And then like, but also, "No." 580 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,200 Alfie... 581 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,760 I love him so much. 582 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,560 What would it be like to have a man's body? 583 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,000 And is that me? 584 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,680 That's a tough question to answer. 585 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,080 There's someone in Spain who can give me a taste 586 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,360 of what that might feel like. 587 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,000 This lushly-coiffed cognitive neuroscientist, 588 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,480 Dr Marte Roel Lesur, 589 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,280 is the brains of a cutting-edge laboratory 590 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,600 packed with very cool tech. 591 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,720 Welcome to the gender swap. 592 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,680 It's just so cool. 593 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,720 I'm very excited. Can we do it now? 594 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,120 Ready? 595 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,520 You can sit down here. 596 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,040 Here comes the curtain. Say goodbye to yourselves. 597 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:40,360 Apparently, I'm going to swap bodies 598 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,240 with the guy sitting opposite me, Carlos. 599 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,640 I don't know why, I'm a little scared. 600 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,440 My VR headset is not showing my body, 601 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,640 it's showing his, on me. 602 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:03,240 They have a camera in front so they can see their full bodies. 603 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,520 What we do is swap the cameras. 604 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,120 The sensation is making me feel queasy. 605 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,000 But my head is actually starting to get in sync with this male body. 606 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,240 My God, this is so weird. 607 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,400 Cara will see how we grab his hand, and stroke it, 608 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,480 And at the same time, my colleague is stroking Cara's hand. 609 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,880 It really feels like I'm in the body of a man. 610 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,280 I've got man hands! 611 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,040 No way! 612 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,040 That is crazy, guys. 613 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:03,800 We open a curtain that is separating 614 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,600 the space between the two people, 615 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,280 and they face themselves as another person. 616 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,000 This is your hand. This one, right here. 617 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,800 -No, so confusing. -This one. 618 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,200 What? 619 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,080 I feel like I've become Carlos. 620 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,440 Dude, this is crazy. 621 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,720 Our self identity, the way we perceive ourselves, 622 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,920 is very grounded on our bodies. 623 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,200 However, it is possible to shift this, 624 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,960 to feel that we are somebody else, something else. 625 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,480 This tells us that gender is much more fluid, 626 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,520 it's not as fixed as we once thought. 627 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,360 I'm so confused. 628 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,080 That's so weird. 629 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,400 The coolest thing in the world... oh, my God. 630 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,360 The experiment is short 631 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,440 but so intense and completely mind-bending. 632 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,080 That was so crazy. 633 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,760 I knew it was going to be amazing 634 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,720 I just didn't understand exactly how crazy that was. 635 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,120 -That was. -Yeah, it's really a lot. 636 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,120 There is a moment when you lose your perspective as your body, 637 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,800 and then you are fully into that body. 638 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,640 Once you're in it for a while, it's like, wow, 639 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,040 you get so used to it. 640 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,240 How come I've got such muscly legs? 641 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,040 It's like, that's me but then... how to feel me? 642 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,840 You know? It's... 643 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,600 But it was emotional at the end, 644 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,760 when you see yourself and hug yourself. 645 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,640 It's quite shocking, yes. 646 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,920 That really made me feel quite sad, it was like, that's adorable. 647 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,400 That was just so scary, and so interesting. 648 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,040 I don't know how much I liked it, it was quite uncomfortable. 649 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,560 The feeling, the sensation of touching someone, 650 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,960 that's when it became real, 651 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,280 otherwise it was "This is cool, technology..." 652 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,320 But when you touch... 653 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,800 it was "I'm in a man's body!" It was really quite crazy. 654 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,200 It made me happy to be a woman, in so many ways. 655 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,960 It was like, I'm weird. 656 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,600 Because usually I... but would I want to look at my dick? 657 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,440 And it was like, not really. 658 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,680 It made me feel weird. 659 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,000 Trying to be a man, I realised... 660 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,080 I was a lot more feminine in the way that I move than I thought I was. 661 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,920 I am a she, right now. 662 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,280 But I also like dressing as a man and being a him. 663 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,560 I could just be a woman that wants to be a man sometimes. 664 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,360 I know I started this journey as a slightly confused young woman, 665 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,440 not quite sure of my place in the world. 666 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,920 But this bizarre experience is making me realise 667 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,560 that gender is way more interesting and fluid than I ever imagined. 668 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,680 Maybe I don't have to put a label on myself. 669 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,480 I'm in my home town, London! 670 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,080 I'm ending this journey where I started, 671 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,920 with the fabulous folk at cabaret night Bar Wotever. 672 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,040 A very, very special haven where, 673 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,360 gender-wise, you can literally be whatever you want. 674 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,800 Tell me what it's like. I've never been here. 675 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,400 -I'm... -Your first time. 676 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,600 Bar Wotever is...The name says it, 677 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,840 it's a night that we put on where everything's welcome. 678 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,120 All you have to do is walk through the door 679 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,920 and there is a room, a whole community of people right there. 680 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,160 -It's so incredible. -That's so cool. 681 00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,680 How do you... What are your pronouns? 682 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,160 They, them, she, her. 683 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,040 He, him, they, them. 684 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,480 They, them. 685 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,560 She, her, she-daddy. 686 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,320 She-daddy, I like that. 687 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,080 I feel it's going to make a lot of people happy when they... 688 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,840 I like that. 689 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,120 There's no pressure, everything should be allowed to be fluid. 690 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,600 You can try pronouns, try different names, 691 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,440 different expressions. 692 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,640 There's just so much freedom within it. 693 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,960 Especially at a night like this, it's just freedom. 694 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,360 It's liberating to now feel able to talk about 695 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,760 this tricky subject that I used to just run away from. 696 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,520 This is the place to see, both on and off stage, 697 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,040 just how diverse gender can be. 698 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,400 Ladies, gentlemen, and those of us smart enough 699 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,720 to transcend a gender. 700 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,440 Come on, it's time for the world to open up its arms to gender 701 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,560 in all of its fantastic forms. 702 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,640 People need to have conversations about gender, 703 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:10,160 no matter where you're from, how old you are. 704 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,640 So let's talk about it. 705 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:17,480 Now I feel like I dance between the lines, I sway back and forward. 706 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,200 Whether it's masculine or feminine, it's just who I am. 707 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,200 I'm a loose willow tree, blowing in the wind of gender. 708 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,960 I don't think there are actually words to express how freeing, 709 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,040 and how "right" I feel in myself now. 710 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,320 I've realised that gender has no signifier 711 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,560 on how you look, how you talk, what you do with your life. 712 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,280 I don't think it should matter at all, 713 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,920 people should just be people. 714 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,600 despite what their gender is, or isn't, 715 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,720 I hope that in the future, 716 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,320 we can all exist in the same space together. 717 00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,400 And every single gender expression is completely valid. 718 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,800 I'm just living off this queer energy. 719 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,040 It's a beautiful place. 720 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,520 I've never really been out and seen this community in this way. 721 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,440 It's a lot of emotion, a lot of support, a lot of love. 722 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,240 People can feel very weighed down by a conversation about gender. 723 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,320 But it is fun, it should be fun, it should be an experience, 724 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,280 an experiment, a way of expressing yourself and playing with it. 725 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,640 Can I go back in? 726 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,240 Okay, here I go, I'm going... 727 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,240 Planet Sex, yeah! 728 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,960 Subtitles: Lucie Maguire plint.com 55544

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