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- It's a perfect night
for mystery and horror.
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The air itself is
filled with monsters.
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- I'm all ears.
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Open up your pits of hell.
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- As queer people, we are
considered outside of society
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and I think horror is
outside of society.
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- Horror stories upset
all the right people.
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People who can't
handle ambiguity,
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people who can't handle
violence or eroticism,
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people who think of the world
in these very clear-cut terms.
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- Most Americans are repelled
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by the mere notion
of homosexuality.
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The CBS News survey shows that
two out of three Americans
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look upon homosexuals with
disgust, discomfort, or fear.
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- What was that?
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- The main thing
about horror was
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that it was exciting
to get scared
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and that there was
an honesty to it,
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because I was responding
to how my body felt.
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So, kind of like porn.
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- Your blood starts pumping.
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There is something very, very
primal about being afraid.
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- Horror designed to make
you incredibly uncomfortable.
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And I think that queer people
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are just generally better
at being uncomfortable.
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- Now kindly undo these straps.
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- Because queer has
been seen as bad,
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has been seen as the other,
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of course we're gonna
put anything bad
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and anything the
other as the monster.
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- I know who I am now, Sam.
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- You wait till mom
finds out, buddy.
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- I always thought of
myself as a monster
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or a freak or a weirdo.
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- My, I'll bet you monsters
lead interesting lives.
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- I'm Frankenstein, I'm
Dracula, I'm Mrs. Danvers.
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- So many of us can relate
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to being the the
monster in the room.
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- I want to walk amongst
the commoners unnoticed.
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A prince amongst paupers.
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- The reason queer people have
latched onto these monsters
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is because we see
in them that society
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is always trying
to eradicate us.
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And we're always
waiting to fight back.
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- That's how we're
represented in film.
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We're the bogeyman.
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We're the ones who
are out to get you.
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- A flood tide of filth
is engulfing our country
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and is threatening to pervert
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an entire generation of
our American children.
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- You sit the fuck down!
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- They constantly portray
abnormal sexual behavior.
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They glorify unnatural sex acts.
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- Show me.
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- With so many queer creators,
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we see this affinity
with the shadowy margins
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of what's considered
respectable society.
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- Are you a member?
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- I'm looking for somebody.
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- Aren't we all?
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- The moment there's
some kind of queer lens
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being used to create,
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it immediately reflects
and reverberates
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throughout the piece.
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- The evolution of queer horror
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really parallels the
evolution of queer liberation.
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- They're waiting for you.
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- You begin with queer artists
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taking the spaces
we're allowed to have
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and slipping what we can
say into those spaces.
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♪ I'm afraid there's no denyin' ♪
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♪ I'm just a dandy-lion ♪
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- There's something affirming
about that vision in horror,
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because at least
we know we exist,
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at least we know
we are out there,
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even if we're only there
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to put the fear of God
into straight people.
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- Through this material,
today's youth can be enticed
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to enter the world of
homosexuals, lesbians,
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and other sex deviants.
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We know that once a
person is perverted,
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it is practically
impossible for that person
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to adjust to normal
attitudes in regard to sex.
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- We queers have been a
part of the genre of horror
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since the beginning, right?
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Since the beginning.
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- The horror genre as we know it
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really dates back to
folkloric traditions
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and then the gothic
tradition in literature
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in the 17th and 18th century.
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When you wanted to
write about queers,
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you had to find a sort
of coded way to do it.
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- We queers have always
had our own language.
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- If you know, you know,
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but otherwise it just kind
of goes over your head.
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And if somebody sees
it, it's on them.
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It's not quite on you.
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- The gothic is literally
about sublimated,
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hidden things coming to light.
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The dead, or the
past, or desires,
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or things that have
been pushed down.
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The whole point is you
can't suppress the dead,
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you can't suppress the past.
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It's always gonna
come up and erupt
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in some really interesting
and terrifying way.
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- One of the defining
characteristics of those gothic novels
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is that they are all
about transgression.
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Resurrecting the
dead, drinking blood,
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making Faustian
deals with the devil.
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And tied to that is, of
course, sexual transgression.
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- We've now reached
a sort of stage
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with a very, very long
history of the gothic
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in literature and in film,
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where we can actually start to
look back at things and say,
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"You know, that's not quite
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what it appeared
to be at the time."
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- The general names
from the 19th century
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that we associate with horror
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are really Bram Stoker,
Robert Louis Stevenson,
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but before that is Mary Shelley.
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She is an angel.
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- You think so?
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- It is no surprise that a
woman created the horror genre.
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We're suppressed in
more ways than one,
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especially a queer woman.
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She had all the
ammunition in the world
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to create monsters, and she did.
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- Mary, what an icon.
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I'm just gonna invent science
fiction in an afternoon.
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Do you guys want anything?
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Like, "Yeah, thanks.
Thanks, Mary."
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- Mary Shelly is not only the
mother of the horror genre
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and the science fiction genre.
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She is a leading
feminist idealist
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and also the goth-est
of the goth girls.
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- Mary Shelley is so goth.
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She lost her virginity on
her mother's gravestone.
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- Here I come!
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- We all know this
image of Mary Shelley,
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hanging out in the graveyards,
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and there's a much more romantic
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and heartfelt way to look at it.
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Her mother, Mary Goodwin,
was a prolific writer
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before feminism was even a word,
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was very much so of
the feminist spirit.
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She died within weeks
of Mary being born.
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The only way for Mary Shelly
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to have a connection
with her mother
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was to be in the space
that her mother left her
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and to read her literature
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and sort of piece
together a relationship
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with this woman she
never got to meet.
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- Mary Shelly was
pretty radical.
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She was very sexually liberal,
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experimenting, very open-minded.
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And what was also great
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was just her
equality with the men
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that she was spending time with.
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- Mary Shelley was married
to Percy Bysshe Shelley.
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They were also part
of a who knows exactly
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relationship with Lord Byron.
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The trio was allegedly
booted out of England
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because of their
notorious behavior.
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- She was one of the
original hags, right?
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I mean, she could
hang out, you know?
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She was there for her gays,
and they were there for her.
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Hanging out with these
sexually fluid men
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and also having her own secrets
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really speaks to
her being a pioneer
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in the art of monsters and
of horror and storytelling
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at that time when those
stories were so new.
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- She's so goth.
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- They ended up in
Europe at Villa Diodati
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where they all decided
to write ghost stories
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fueled by drugs and
sex and alcohol.
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- She's really turning
it for the goths, honey.
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- She's 18, she's hanging out
with her husband and his bros.
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I shouldn't call them bros.
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They were all having sex.
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- It is an age of
dreams and nightmares.
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- Yes, and we are merely
the children of the age.
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- And she has a nightmare
about this shambling behemoth.
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She writes it down, and she
kind of invents science fiction
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and horror in the same moment.
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- As the story goes,
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Mary Shelley came up with
the concept of Frankenstein
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when she was debating,
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what's the scariest
story you can think of?
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Kind of fitting
that a female author
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would think the scariest
thing I can think of
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is a man trying to create life.
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- It's such a commentary
on a man's world,
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and it's such a commentary
on the audacity of men
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to think that they
could even create
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a functioning creature
without a woman.
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Like, the balls it
must have took for her
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to put those words on that page.
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- She's writing in an era
where there aren't a lot
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of female authors to begin with.
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It's certainly not
a respectable thing
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for her to be doing.
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Just by virtue of her
writing this book,
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this is like this
radical statement that,
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I, a bisexual woman, am capable
of these manly pursuits.
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- The Frankenstein monster
is literally made up
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of bits and pieces of other
people and other psyches,
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is this extraordinary outsider.
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- This idea that you can
recombine the elements
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of a human to create something
is inherently terrifying.
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But I think that that's sort
of what it means to be queer
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is you're sort of taking
all these elements
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of masculinity or femininity
and you're redesigning them
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into the person that you are.
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- The monster chooses to attack
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and kill Victor
Frankenstein's wife
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on their wedding night so
that they never consummate.
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And from that point on,
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Victor Frankenstein is
obsessed with his male creation
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and is chasing the male
creation all over the world.
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And if that's not a queer
narrative, I don't know what is.
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- The literature
shows Frankenstein
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as so much more articulate
and smart and charismatic
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instead of this mumbling,
horrible creature.
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- The monster and Frankenstein
are kind of constantly
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ever changing, two
beings within the same
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that are overlapping.
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Frankenstein catches up with
the doctor and explains,
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oh yeah, I learned language.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, here I am, I'm
you, which is a monster,
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but I'm gonna reflect
back to you what you are.
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- There is something very,
very dream girls about it,
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of showing up at somebody's
doorstep and being like.
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- ♪ And I am telling you ♪
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- I am telling you
I am not going.
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- ♪ I'm not going ♪
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- You are going to love me and
if you're not gonna love me,
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you are going to admit
that you don't love me
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and you are gonna tell me why,
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and you will not be
able to hide from that.
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- My favorite part
of Frankenstein
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is that Mary Shelly was queer,
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because as many historians
love to argue against,
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we have written texts from Mary
Shelly to her friend saying
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that she likes to get
tousey-mousey with women.
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- "April 8th, 1825.
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When I return to Italy,
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I shall not come
without my Jane,
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who is now necessary to
my existence almost."
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Girl, she's not going without
Jane, so don't even ask.
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"I never saw a woman I
thought so fascinating.
252
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Had I been a man,
253
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I should certainly have
fallen in love with her
254
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and had she taken the trouble,
255
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she might have wound
me round her finger."
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Oh girl, I bet.
257
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"I was so ready to
give myself away,
258
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and being afraid of men,
259
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I was apt to get
tousey-mousey for women."
260
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Tousey-mousey?
261
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She was like, you know what?
262
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Yeah, I was a
lesbian for a while.
263
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I was like dating a girl.
264
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No, you know, that
didn't work out.
265
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I don't know.
266
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I don't really like men.
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She's so progressive.
268
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I like her.
269
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- Can you believe that bland
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and lovely brow conceived
of Frankenstein?
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- Such an audience
needs something stronger
272
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than a pretty little love story.
273
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So why shouldn't I
write of monsters?
274
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- She saw it as a gruesome
story of what it was like
275
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to create a version of
yourself from nothing.
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That's her through line, I
think, through Frankenstein,
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is she had to create
herself from nothing.
278
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It was like all the
pieces just came together
279
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and she was able to really,
I mean quite literally,
280
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all the pieces came together
281
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and she was able to
make this masterpiece.
282
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- You wake foul dreams
of sensual life.
283
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- What a strange poem.
284
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Who wrote it?
285
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- Brilliant young
Irishman out of Oxford.
286
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His name is Oscar Wilde.
287
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- Oscar Fingal
O'Flahertie Wills Wilde.
288
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He's an extremely modern figure.
289
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He became really a sort
of self-made celebrity,
290
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but as a writer, he became
a phenomenon of the age.
291
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- Oscar Wilde was so
brilliant and so successful
292
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and so capable with language
and with the art form,
293
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but he was keeping a secret.
294
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- I like persons
better than principles
295
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and persons with no principles
296
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better than anything
else in the world.
297
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Now I remember.
298
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- Remember what, Henry?
299
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- When I heard the
name of Dorian Gray.
300
00:16:15,042 --> 00:16:16,942
- What's beautiful
about Dorian Gray
301
00:16:16,943 --> 00:16:20,912
is he created the myth of
what happens with repression.
302
00:16:20,913 --> 00:16:23,049
Ultimately, repression
will eat you up inside
303
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and you will turn
into a monster.
304
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- Each of us has
heaven and hell in him.
305
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- But if this is true,
306
00:16:28,721 --> 00:16:30,189
if this is what you've
done with your life,
307
00:16:30,190 --> 00:16:32,658
it is far worse than anything
that's been said or done.
308
00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:34,026
- The Picture of Dorian Gray
309
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is one of those horror classics.
310
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There's this guy who never
seems to get any older
311
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and it turns out he
has a magic painting
312
00:16:41,101 --> 00:16:43,035
that ages while he doesn't,
313
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and it's becoming
darker and more decrepit
314
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and there is something
horrible at the center of it.
315
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- What is your secret, Dorian?
316
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You don't look a day
older than you did
317
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when that portrait was painted.
318
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- Perhaps I'll tell you someday.
319
00:16:54,714 --> 00:16:56,148
- Wilde's The Picture
of Dorian Gray,
320
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which is a much more
queer take on this idea
321
00:16:59,552 --> 00:17:02,721
of the multiple selves
that are contained
322
00:17:02,722 --> 00:17:07,727
within someone and our capacity
for debauchery or evil.
323
00:17:08,928 --> 00:17:12,765
- Dorian is sort of
an amoral character
324
00:17:13,633 --> 00:17:14,766
and a very queer character.
325
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Beautiful, vain,
consumed with pleasure.
326
00:17:18,805 --> 00:17:20,972
If you're talking about
the horror continuum,
327
00:17:20,973 --> 00:17:24,376
I think you can draw a
line from Dorian Gray
328
00:17:24,377 --> 00:17:27,579
through a character like
The Talented Mr. Ripley
329
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by Patricia High Smith,
330
00:17:29,082 --> 00:17:33,352
all the way to Patrick
Bateman in American Psycho.
331
00:17:33,353 --> 00:17:36,288
- The Picture of Dorian
Gray is very much about
332
00:17:36,289 --> 00:17:38,557
the dangers of
being in the closet,
333
00:17:38,558 --> 00:17:41,127
of having a thing that you
feel like you can't speak about
334
00:17:41,128 --> 00:17:42,661
to anyone else.
335
00:17:42,662 --> 00:17:47,167
- He is a wounded, deeply
tortured queer character,
336
00:17:48,801 --> 00:17:51,470
trapped in a narrative that
he's desperately trying
337
00:17:51,471 --> 00:17:52,938
to break out of.
338
00:17:52,939 --> 00:17:55,374
- He's taking his and
our collective experience
339
00:17:55,375 --> 00:17:57,543
of being suppressed and
repressed and punished
340
00:17:57,544 --> 00:18:00,112
for who we are and
he's birthing it
341
00:18:00,113 --> 00:18:01,648
into this beautiful metaphor.
342
00:18:03,049 --> 00:18:06,185
That, to me, is wildly powerful
that he was able to do that
343
00:18:06,186 --> 00:18:08,053
before it all came
crashing down.
344
00:18:08,054 --> 00:18:12,858
What's amazing is that he's
also foreseeing where his life
345
00:18:12,859 --> 00:18:16,862
is going to go once he actually
gets caught and charged
346
00:18:16,863 --> 00:18:20,433
and then placed into jail
for his homosexuality.
347
00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:25,904
- 1895 is two years before
Dracula is published.
348
00:18:25,905 --> 00:18:28,640
The sort of high water
mark of so much of,
349
00:18:28,641 --> 00:18:31,009
of what we associate is that,
350
00:18:31,010 --> 00:18:33,245
that kind of gothic literature.
351
00:18:33,246 --> 00:18:36,482
And that was the year that
Wilde fell from grace.
352
00:18:36,483 --> 00:18:39,485
Buggery had been a
crime for centuries,
353
00:18:39,486 --> 00:18:42,120
but it was rarely
prosecuted until
354
00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:47,126
a man called Henry Labouchère
suddenly changed the rules
355
00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:49,127
and Wilde was the first
356
00:18:49,128 --> 00:18:52,232
and most famous casualty
of the whole thing.
357
00:18:54,234 --> 00:18:58,870
But he was fascinatingly
given the chance to go.
358
00:18:58,871 --> 00:19:00,706
I think it's either
a combination
359
00:19:00,707 --> 00:19:02,741
of a very sympathetic magistrate
360
00:19:02,742 --> 00:19:05,277
or actually the
establishment not wanting
361
00:19:05,278 --> 00:19:08,514
to lift the rug on
an awful lot of stuff
362
00:19:08,515 --> 00:19:10,148
they didn't want to come out,
363
00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:11,617
but he decided not to go.
364
00:19:11,618 --> 00:19:15,254
So he was arrested.
365
00:19:15,255 --> 00:19:16,855
- It would've been
very easy for Wilde
366
00:19:16,856 --> 00:19:19,191
to have fled the country,
to have become an expat,
367
00:19:19,192 --> 00:19:22,828
to have run off to France to
avoid the prison sentence.
368
00:19:22,829 --> 00:19:24,530
But you know, he
stood and fought.
369
00:19:24,531 --> 00:19:28,133
That's a really great act
of heroism that I don't know
370
00:19:28,134 --> 00:19:30,337
that Oscar Wilde always
gets the credit for.
371
00:19:33,306 --> 00:19:36,942
- And then he was sentenced
to two years of hard labor
372
00:19:36,943 --> 00:19:41,948
and for a man like him,
it was a death sentence.
373
00:19:43,983 --> 00:19:46,485
The judge hideously
said he thought
374
00:19:46,486 --> 00:19:48,554
it was completely insufficient
375
00:19:48,555 --> 00:19:50,789
for the gravity of his crime
376
00:19:50,790 --> 00:19:53,726
of daring to love
someone of his own sex.
377
00:19:56,463 --> 00:20:01,334
He is conflated in the popular
imagination with monstrosity.
378
00:20:03,836 --> 00:20:04,936
- Heaven, forgive me.
379
00:20:04,937 --> 00:20:06,905
- Once his identity was exposed
380
00:20:06,906 --> 00:20:09,508
and it was out there and
he was living with it,
381
00:20:09,509 --> 00:20:12,110
it seems like it kind of opened
up corridors for him to use
382
00:20:12,111 --> 00:20:14,546
all of that brilliance that
he had been sublimating
383
00:20:14,547 --> 00:20:16,815
into a heteronormative structure
384
00:20:16,816 --> 00:20:19,985
and then he kind of
found his own, to me,
385
00:20:19,986 --> 00:20:21,921
authenticity and queerness.
386
00:20:24,624 --> 00:20:27,058
- Wilde was a brilliant writer
387
00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:30,262
who actually put his
genius into his life.
388
00:20:30,263 --> 00:20:34,533
His life is why we
really remember him.
389
00:20:34,534 --> 00:20:37,469
- There's no such thing as
a good influence, Mr. Gray.
390
00:20:37,470 --> 00:20:39,371
All influence is immoral.
391
00:20:39,372 --> 00:20:40,839
Why?
392
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,774
- Because the aim of
life is self development.
393
00:20:42,775 --> 00:20:44,944
To realize one's
nature perfectly.
394
00:20:45,912 --> 00:20:47,178
That's what we're here for.
395
00:20:47,179 --> 00:20:50,916
- I think he was a man
who actually worried
396
00:20:50,917 --> 00:20:52,584
that he was trivial,
397
00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:55,687
that in the end he would be
remembered for some funny plays
398
00:20:55,688 --> 00:21:00,359
and some funny quips,
and incredibly,
399
00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:02,429
by not running away,
he became immortal.
400
00:21:30,557 --> 00:21:32,391
- There've been a lot of
rumors about Bram Stoker
401
00:21:32,392 --> 00:21:35,861
over the decades about what
his actual sexuality was.
402
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:40,066
- First of all, Bram
Stoker was kind of cute.
403
00:21:43,503 --> 00:21:44,703
Like he kind of could
get just a tad bit.
404
00:21:44,704 --> 00:21:46,105
That's one thing I wanna say.
405
00:21:47,474 --> 00:21:50,241
- Even if Bram Stoker
was queer in some way,
406
00:21:50,242 --> 00:21:54,647
my understanding is
that he was not out.
407
00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:58,684
And I think that that can
be a very conflicted place
408
00:21:58,685 --> 00:22:00,319
from which to create.
409
00:22:02,188 --> 00:22:03,389
- A few years ago,
410
00:22:03,390 --> 00:22:05,290
David Skal, a horror
film historian,
411
00:22:05,291 --> 00:22:08,394
found a letter that Stoker
had written to Walt Whitman,
412
00:22:08,395 --> 00:22:10,195
who was probably the
most famous homosexual
413
00:22:10,196 --> 00:22:11,663
of the 19th century.
414
00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:14,099
- His letters to Walt Whitman
are clearly love letters.
415
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:17,569
They sort of quake
with the quiet longing
416
00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:19,371
that I remember having
417
00:22:19,372 --> 00:22:22,207
for my secret male
crushes growing up
418
00:22:22,208 --> 00:22:24,810
and he says everything
but, you know,
419
00:22:24,811 --> 00:22:27,112
what he wants to
say and even then,
420
00:22:27,113 --> 00:22:29,280
inferring that there
are some things
421
00:22:29,281 --> 00:22:30,549
that he would rather
say in person.
422
00:22:30,550 --> 00:22:33,786
I don't know, it feels
pretty darn gay to me.
423
00:22:36,989 --> 00:22:38,591
"My dear Mr. Whitman,
424
00:22:39,726 --> 00:22:42,327
Do not think me cheeky
for writing this.
425
00:22:42,328 --> 00:22:44,696
I only hope we may sometime meet
426
00:22:44,697 --> 00:22:48,868
and I shall be able to perhaps
to say what I cannot write.
427
00:22:50,069 --> 00:22:52,538
I have to thank you
for many happy hours,
428
00:22:52,539 --> 00:22:56,908
for I've read your poems with
my door locked late at night.
429
00:22:56,909 --> 00:23:00,045
You who wrote the words
know them better than I do
430
00:23:00,046 --> 00:23:04,182
and to you, who sing of
your land of progress,
431
00:23:04,183 --> 00:23:07,786
the words have a meaning
that I can only imagine.
432
00:23:07,787 --> 00:23:11,523
But be assured of
this Walt Whitman,
433
00:23:11,524 --> 00:23:15,393
that a man of less than
half your own age here
434
00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:19,197
felt his heart leap toward
you across the Atlantic
435
00:23:19,198 --> 00:23:24,203
and his soul swelling at the
words or rather the thoughts.
436
00:23:25,772 --> 00:23:30,777
How sweet a thing it is
for a strong, healthy man
437
00:23:31,944 --> 00:23:35,547
with a woman's eye and
a child's wishes to feel
438
00:23:35,548 --> 00:23:39,851
that he can speak to a man
who can be, if he wishes,
439
00:23:39,852 --> 00:23:44,857
father and brother
and wife to his soul.
440
00:23:48,495 --> 00:23:52,864
You have shaken off the shackles
and your wings are free.
441
00:23:52,865 --> 00:23:56,468
I have the shackles
on my shoulders still,
442
00:23:56,469 --> 00:23:58,270
but I have no wings."
443
00:24:01,541 --> 00:24:05,844
- Bram Stoker feels emboldened
at some point to perhaps,
444
00:24:05,845 --> 00:24:08,013
you know, start making
his way out of the closet.
445
00:24:08,014 --> 00:24:10,849
Talking about his
correspondence with Walt Whitman
446
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:14,686
and then in light
of cultural events,
447
00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:16,455
suddenly does a full 180.
448
00:24:18,925 --> 00:24:22,661
- We know that he was part
of Oscar Wilde's circle.
449
00:24:22,662 --> 00:24:25,296
He was another Irish expatriate.
450
00:24:25,297 --> 00:24:27,933
- Stoker knew Oscar Wilde well.
451
00:24:27,934 --> 00:24:29,601
They were friends
and contemporaries.
452
00:24:29,602 --> 00:24:33,805
Wilde's arrest and and
prosecution detonated a bomb
453
00:24:33,806 --> 00:24:36,441
in British society.
454
00:24:36,442 --> 00:24:41,012
- After the Wilde trial, there
was a lot more burrowing,
455
00:24:41,013 --> 00:24:44,115
a lot more marriages,
a lot more hiding
456
00:24:44,116 --> 00:24:47,553
from what was obviously gonna
be a very unaccepting public.
457
00:24:47,554 --> 00:24:51,690
- Stoker married Oscar
Wilde's ex, Florence,
458
00:24:51,691 --> 00:24:54,492
which is a curious
turn of events.
459
00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:56,595
Stoker's passion was the theater
460
00:24:56,596 --> 00:24:59,732
and his great hero was the
English actor Henry Irving.
461
00:25:00,767 --> 00:25:02,668
It was an extraordinary
relationship.
462
00:25:02,669 --> 00:25:04,736
Irving treated him appallingly.
463
00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:06,972
It's very hard not to interpret
464
00:25:06,973 --> 00:25:10,542
from our perspective
as being sub/dom.
465
00:25:10,543 --> 00:25:12,143
- Wake up, master.
466
00:25:13,379 --> 00:25:16,582
- The character of
Renfield in the book,
467
00:25:16,583 --> 00:25:19,918
I think there's a kind
of transference there.
468
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:24,356
- I will be one of those who
benefits from your generosity.
469
00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:28,493
- That Stoker is putting
himself in the position
470
00:25:28,494 --> 00:25:32,664
of this imprisoned madman
enthralled to his master.
471
00:25:33,833 --> 00:25:35,333
- Good evening.
472
00:25:35,334 --> 00:25:37,803
- Stoker's working out a lot
of his own issues in Dracula.
473
00:25:37,804 --> 00:25:39,871
There's this idea of sexuality
474
00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:44,142
as being this enticing force
and difficult to resist,
475
00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:47,679
but one must, because ultimately
you know it's monstrous
476
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,548
and it's going to destroy you.
477
00:25:55,087 --> 00:25:56,823
- Welcome to my home.
478
00:25:57,990 --> 00:26:01,793
- Dracula is largely
more an expression
479
00:26:01,794 --> 00:26:05,431
of a fear of queerness.
480
00:26:09,602 --> 00:26:14,607
In that Dracula's modus
operandi appears to be
481
00:26:15,474 --> 00:26:18,276
to enslave women and torture men
482
00:26:18,277 --> 00:26:23,014
with a kind of psychological
psychosexual obsession.
483
00:26:23,015 --> 00:26:27,619
- When the three vampire brides
try and feast off Harker,
484
00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:31,122
Dracula appears and he's
absolutely furious and he says,
485
00:26:31,123 --> 00:26:32,523
"This man belongs to me."
486
00:26:32,524 --> 00:26:35,661
In Stoker's notes that
is written constantly.
487
00:26:35,662 --> 00:26:37,495
Every time he comes back
to his notes over a period
488
00:26:37,496 --> 00:26:39,831
of seven years, he
writes it again.
489
00:26:39,832 --> 00:26:41,532
It's very important to him.
490
00:26:41,533 --> 00:26:44,302
Seems to mean
something quite primal.
491
00:26:44,303 --> 00:26:46,204
- After the
publication of Dracula,
492
00:26:46,205 --> 00:26:48,740
Bram Stoker becomes
very vocally homophobic,
493
00:26:48,741 --> 00:26:50,575
writing letters to
parliament saying
494
00:26:50,576 --> 00:26:52,945
that gay writers should
all be put in prison.
495
00:26:58,084 --> 00:27:01,653
One could argue that the
existence of Dracula itself
496
00:27:01,654 --> 00:27:05,590
is as much of a dodge as those
letters to parliament were.
497
00:27:05,591 --> 00:27:08,493
That Stoker is
basically saying, yes,
498
00:27:08,494 --> 00:27:11,096
I know that sexuality
seems like something
499
00:27:11,097 --> 00:27:12,964
that you really
want to give into,
500
00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:16,467
but you mustn't or you will
be doomed for all eternity.
501
00:27:16,468 --> 00:27:18,770
- And then obviously what
Stoker is famous for,
502
00:27:18,771 --> 00:27:22,073
he drew together over a
period of several years
503
00:27:22,074 --> 00:27:26,311
these myths and legends about
vampires into a book which
504
00:27:26,312 --> 00:27:28,714
is originally called The Undead,
505
00:27:28,715 --> 00:27:31,683
featuring a character
called Count Vampire.
506
00:27:31,684 --> 00:27:33,218
It's very on the nose.
507
00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:36,722
And then, brilliantly,
he came across the legend
508
00:27:36,723 --> 00:27:41,728
of a real life
Transylvanian warlord.
509
00:27:42,594 --> 00:27:44,896
Son of the Dragon, Dracula.
510
00:27:44,897 --> 00:27:47,999
I've seen it, the actual
page of the manuscript,
511
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,402
and he's crossed out The
Undead and writes Dracula.
512
00:27:51,403 --> 00:27:52,238
That's it.
513
00:27:53,439 --> 00:27:54,806
It's a game changer,
514
00:27:54,807 --> 00:27:57,175
the way that Shelley's
Frankenstein is a game changer.
515
00:27:57,176 --> 00:27:58,509
Something happens there
516
00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:01,479
which pulls all these
legends together
517
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:06,284
and starts to make the
vampire into a popular figure
518
00:28:06,285 --> 00:28:08,353
that we all understand.
519
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:15,260
- Dracula becomes the sort
of heir text for vampires
520
00:28:15,261 --> 00:28:17,095
and it's probably one of
the most filmed stories
521
00:28:17,096 --> 00:28:18,296
of all time.
522
00:28:18,297 --> 00:28:20,832
- As we see literary
storytelling giving way
523
00:28:20,833 --> 00:28:22,801
to cinematic storytelling,
524
00:28:22,802 --> 00:28:24,102
there are a lot of queer
artists who are there
525
00:28:24,103 --> 00:28:26,371
to make sure that
that subtext survives
526
00:28:26,372 --> 00:28:29,307
and in fact flourishes as
presented on the big screen.
527
00:28:29,308 --> 00:28:31,943
- So, F.W. Murnau.
528
00:28:31,944 --> 00:28:34,913
- After fighting in World War I,
529
00:28:34,914 --> 00:28:38,016
Murnau is existing
in Weimar, Germany
530
00:28:38,017 --> 00:28:41,086
and if we know
anything from Cabaret,
531
00:28:41,087 --> 00:28:42,320
it's that Germany
was a great place
532
00:28:42,321 --> 00:28:43,823
to be gay until it wasn't.
533
00:28:46,192 --> 00:28:48,259
He got out when the
getting was good
534
00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:51,029
and came to the United States
but not before, you know,
535
00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:55,166
making obviously some
singularly iconic queer horror,
536
00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:58,804
including Der Januskopf,
Faust, and Nosferatu.
537
00:28:58,805 --> 00:29:00,538
- It's extraordinary to think
538
00:29:00,539 --> 00:29:03,842
that he had his hand in
Dracula with Nosferatu
539
00:29:03,843 --> 00:29:05,743
and he had his hand
in Jekyll and Hyde.
540
00:29:05,744 --> 00:29:08,279
- Murnau made an
unauthorized version
541
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,348
of Dr. Jekyll and Hyde
in the early twenties
542
00:29:10,349 --> 00:29:11,850
called Der Januskopf.
543
00:29:11,851 --> 00:29:14,786
These themes of doubled selfs,
544
00:29:14,787 --> 00:29:16,287
a self that is presented
545
00:29:16,288 --> 00:29:19,090
to the world and a self
that is secret and hidden,
546
00:29:19,091 --> 00:29:21,860
that is the more
libidinal, eroticized self,
547
00:29:21,861 --> 00:29:22,761
appealed to him.
548
00:29:25,031 --> 00:29:26,798
- In a film that is
tragically lost to us,
549
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,433
the metaphors are all just
kind of sitting there.
550
00:29:28,434 --> 00:29:30,768
This thing inside me
that I can't control
551
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:32,037
and it wants to come out
552
00:29:32,038 --> 00:29:33,805
and I mustn't let it
because if it does,
553
00:29:33,806 --> 00:29:35,874
then horrible
things will happen.
554
00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:40,979
- We can't help but express
555
00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:43,181
this sort of duality
that we all feel.
556
00:29:43,182 --> 00:29:45,283
And if you're aware
of being queer,
557
00:29:45,284 --> 00:29:48,820
that parallel is sort of
unmistakable and delicious.
558
00:29:53,659 --> 00:29:55,894
- The devil is almost
always portrayed as a man
559
00:29:55,895 --> 00:29:57,596
because, you know, the Bible.
560
00:29:59,565 --> 00:30:01,499
And so in a story like Faust,
561
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:04,702
you are left with one
man trying to show a man
562
00:30:04,703 --> 00:30:06,972
all the possibilities
that life might entail
563
00:30:06,973 --> 00:30:10,741
if only he'll sign up
for his dark forces.
564
00:30:10,742 --> 00:30:13,544
You have the devil being
the person who's trying
565
00:30:13,545 --> 00:30:17,182
to seduce the central figure
away from the beautiful
566
00:30:17,183 --> 00:30:18,918
and wholesome love of a woman.
567
00:30:20,352 --> 00:30:23,388
- There's always a neglected
woman over there, isn't there?
568
00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:26,358
Faust is having to choose
between her and the devil.
569
00:30:29,795 --> 00:30:32,197
And I think we might hope
that he gets taken for good.
570
00:30:32,198 --> 00:30:34,532
I don't know, at least a
little part of me does.
571
00:30:34,533 --> 00:30:36,334
To come up with some
of that imagery,
572
00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:40,940
I think it requires a
willingness to play in the dark.
573
00:30:43,876 --> 00:30:45,810
There are things that
go on in the dark,
574
00:30:45,811 --> 00:30:47,846
there are freedoms to
explore in the dark
575
00:30:49,048 --> 00:30:51,716
and Faust is very
much like Nosferatu
576
00:30:51,717 --> 00:30:54,119
in that the world of
the so called devil,
577
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,656
enemy, evil figure,
is so intoxicating.
578
00:30:59,125 --> 00:31:02,261
It makes it so clear why you
want to dance with the devil.
579
00:31:06,966 --> 00:31:10,201
- Nosferatu is the one
that changed everything.
580
00:31:10,202 --> 00:31:12,370
- Where do horror
movies really start?
581
00:31:12,371 --> 00:31:14,005
They start with Nosferatu.
582
00:31:14,006 --> 00:31:17,508
They start with
this coded, phallic,
583
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:20,178
vampire cinematic image.
584
00:31:20,179 --> 00:31:23,414
That's where our understanding
of what a monster is begins
585
00:31:23,415 --> 00:31:26,952
and it's no wonder that the
monster is so captivating
586
00:31:26,953 --> 00:31:30,588
and so seductive even
as they're horrifying.
587
00:31:30,589 --> 00:31:33,658
So much of that must have
come from F.W. Murnau's
588
00:31:33,659 --> 00:31:37,162
being a queer artist, from Bram
Stoker being a queer artist.
589
00:31:37,163 --> 00:31:42,000
That stuff is kind of in the
DNA of what a movie monster is.
590
00:31:44,003 --> 00:31:46,037
- I love a lot of
the Dracula films,
591
00:31:46,038 --> 00:31:50,442
but the one that hits closest
to home for me is Nosferatu.
592
00:31:52,544 --> 00:31:56,181
All of the other depictions
of Dracula tend to be
593
00:31:56,182 --> 00:32:01,087
a dashing romantic hero
and I've never seen Dracula
594
00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:03,321
as a romantic hero.
595
00:32:03,322 --> 00:32:07,058
I've always seen him as
hobbled and made sort of,
596
00:32:07,059 --> 00:32:12,064
despite his power, pitifully
small by his monstrousness.
597
00:32:13,265 --> 00:32:16,234
- Unlike in the book
where Dracula begins
598
00:32:16,235 --> 00:32:19,804
as a hideous old man and
then gradually gets younger,
599
00:32:19,805 --> 00:32:24,810
he stays hideous and Max
Schreck's look is iconic.
600
00:32:26,245 --> 00:32:27,912
- On my bucket list was
always to play a vampire,
601
00:32:27,913 --> 00:32:30,148
but the one I really
related to was Nosferatu
602
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:33,951
because he looked, he was
perceived to look as hideous.
603
00:32:33,952 --> 00:32:36,621
He doesn't know that yet
and I kinda love that,
604
00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:39,224
I find the beauty in that.
605
00:32:42,061 --> 00:32:47,065
- Nosferatu actually evokes
this sniffling rodent
606
00:32:47,066 --> 00:32:49,734
that is, I think in a way,
607
00:32:49,735 --> 00:32:52,238
a truer expression
of the character.
608
00:32:53,739 --> 00:32:57,076
And then because of that also
becomes strangely more human.
609
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,213
- 'Cause Murnau
was a gay director,
610
00:33:02,214 --> 00:33:03,648
I think he sort of plays up
611
00:33:03,649 --> 00:33:05,083
some of the gay
undertones in the story.
612
00:33:05,084 --> 00:33:08,019
It features what
some scholars called
613
00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:09,454
the beast in the boudoir motif,
614
00:33:09,455 --> 00:33:11,956
which is where the monster
comes into the bedroom at night.
615
00:33:11,957 --> 00:33:15,126
And in Murnau's version there's
a bedroom seduction scene
616
00:33:15,127 --> 00:33:18,096
between Count Orlok, as
he's called in Noserfatu
617
00:33:18,097 --> 00:33:20,299
and Jonathan Hutter or Harker.
618
00:33:23,535 --> 00:33:25,570
- Having the monster
out at the edge of town
619
00:33:25,571 --> 00:33:27,873
is a horror idea that
we keep coming back to,
620
00:33:29,041 --> 00:33:31,442
but it also sort of
spoke to the place
621
00:33:31,443 --> 00:33:33,844
that queer people
held in society.
622
00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:36,781
- Nosferatu is sort
of a cornerstone
623
00:33:36,782 --> 00:33:41,086
of what we would see over and
over again in vampire cinema
624
00:33:41,087 --> 00:33:43,521
where there's the outsider,
625
00:33:43,522 --> 00:33:46,524
and there's the sexual
nature of the bites
626
00:33:46,525 --> 00:33:49,394
and the entrancement
and so yeah,
627
00:33:49,395 --> 00:33:51,229
he is already, in
the silent era,
628
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:54,332
bringing this very
kind of queer coding
629
00:33:54,333 --> 00:33:55,834
to this kind of storytelling.
630
00:33:57,269 --> 00:34:00,205
- It's very simple to
find antisemitic overtones
631
00:34:00,206 --> 00:34:04,675
in vampire movies from Stoker
632
00:34:04,676 --> 00:34:07,346
through to Murnau's
film Nosferatu.
633
00:34:08,647 --> 00:34:10,581
In the late 19th century,
634
00:34:10,582 --> 00:34:14,952
many, many Jews arrived in
London from Eastern Europe.
635
00:34:14,953 --> 00:34:16,887
You can easily map the horror
636
00:34:16,888 --> 00:34:19,224
of the Eastern European vampire
637
00:34:19,225 --> 00:34:24,195
to this new cluster of
immigrant communities.
638
00:34:24,196 --> 00:34:26,897
- If I were sort of
around at that time
639
00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:28,766
and I was aware of that bias,
640
00:34:28,767 --> 00:34:31,336
sort of seeing Orlok as
anything other than a gay Jew
641
00:34:31,337 --> 00:34:33,738
would be quite
difficult I think.
642
00:34:33,739 --> 00:34:38,744
- Conflating Jews and
homosexuals as the evil, as the bad.
643
00:34:39,878 --> 00:34:41,546
The fact that he
utilized any of that
644
00:34:41,547 --> 00:34:44,715
in his making of Nosferatu,
of course it makes sense,
645
00:34:44,716 --> 00:34:47,318
it's good to be good at your
craft and to scare people,
646
00:34:47,319 --> 00:34:49,521
but it's also really,
really dangerous.
647
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:53,691
- This fear of the other,
648
00:34:53,692 --> 00:34:55,493
whether that other is
homosexual or Jewish
649
00:34:55,494 --> 00:34:57,628
or just an outsider,
650
00:34:57,629 --> 00:35:01,065
he is certainly
relying upon that fear
651
00:35:01,066 --> 00:35:02,734
as a driver of the movie.
652
00:35:05,204 --> 00:35:08,139
- I just think, as a
Jew and as homosexual,
653
00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:11,409
I'm very aware and scared
of these narratives.
654
00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:15,713
- Nosferatu was the
first adaptation
655
00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:19,518
of Bram Stoker's Dracula and
it was an illegal adaptation.
656
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:25,224
- He's basically doing
unofficial Dracula fan fiction.
657
00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:31,730
- Florence Stoker sued
because it was just a rip off.
658
00:35:32,864 --> 00:35:35,833
There was no royalty
paid to Stoker's estate
659
00:35:35,834 --> 00:35:37,935
for making this
version of Dracula.
660
00:35:37,936 --> 00:35:41,606
- The court ordered every
print of Nosferatu destroyed.
661
00:35:41,607 --> 00:35:46,612
One print survived the
massacre of Nosferatu prints
662
00:35:47,746 --> 00:35:51,148
and that one print gave
birth to every print
663
00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:54,319
that has been circulated
around the world.
664
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,922
If it weren't for one
person who hid that print,
665
00:35:57,923 --> 00:36:00,759
we would not know Nosferatu
the way that we know it today.
666
00:36:01,893 --> 00:36:05,596
Nosferatu became, really
the first cult film.
667
00:36:05,597 --> 00:36:10,602
The Bram Stoker estate actively
hunting down every print
668
00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:14,004
of Nosferatu greatly contributed
to the success of Dracula
669
00:36:14,005 --> 00:36:15,873
because it created this buzz,
670
00:36:15,874 --> 00:36:19,277
at first on Broadway
and then at the movies.
671
00:36:24,916 --> 00:36:26,717
- The early pillars of horror
672
00:36:26,718 --> 00:36:30,588
were these Universal monster
movies starting with Dracula.
673
00:36:37,496 --> 00:36:40,365
- I am Dracula.
674
00:36:40,366 --> 00:36:43,734
- When I was a kid, I started
buying Aurora model kits
675
00:36:43,735 --> 00:36:46,871
from Famous Monsters
of Filmland magazine.
676
00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:50,841
And I remember my two
sisters on the floor playing
677
00:36:50,842 --> 00:36:53,378
with Barbie and Ken and
I'm up there playing
678
00:36:53,379 --> 00:36:55,813
with Frankenstein
and the Wolfman.
679
00:36:55,814 --> 00:36:59,049
Oh I love them, I love all
the Universal monsters.
680
00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:02,587
I like Dracula the best
because even though
681
00:37:02,588 --> 00:37:04,689
I was a little kid, I
knew he was really sexy.
682
00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:06,324
- Laugh all you like.
683
00:37:06,325 --> 00:37:08,726
I think he's fascinating.
684
00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:12,697
- Bela Lugosi's Dracula
presents as like
685
00:37:12,698 --> 00:37:14,832
if elegance was a gender.
686
00:37:14,833 --> 00:37:16,033
- Is it cyclical?
687
00:37:16,034 --> 00:37:18,303
There are sort of
fashions in vampirism.
688
00:37:18,304 --> 00:37:21,105
Bela Lugosi took over
it from Max Schreck
689
00:37:21,106 --> 00:37:23,308
and Dracula became
much more urbane.
690
00:37:23,309 --> 00:37:25,776
- Bela Lugosi's
Dracula has a certain,
691
00:37:25,777 --> 00:37:28,479
it's this like glide
across the room energy
692
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,981
that I've always wanted.
693
00:37:33,585 --> 00:37:36,354
- I once had said it was
manic bisexual energy,
694
00:37:36,355 --> 00:37:40,024
but it is manic, pansexual,
omnisexual energy.
695
00:37:40,025 --> 00:37:42,727
- Anything I can do, gladly.
696
00:37:42,728 --> 00:37:46,364
- The Dracula costume
kit is basically drag.
697
00:37:46,365 --> 00:37:51,370
You have face paint and then
you have blood red lips,
698
00:37:52,771 --> 00:37:54,705
and then you slick your hair
back, you put on a cape,
699
00:37:54,706 --> 00:37:57,308
you put on fancy antique jewels.
700
00:37:57,309 --> 00:37:59,209
- I bid you welcome.
701
00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:01,211
- And then you go
live in a castle
702
00:38:01,212 --> 00:38:04,549
and you can turn into a bat.
703
00:38:06,251 --> 00:38:11,121
So like, this to me is the
experience of being a gay man.
704
00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:14,693
- I hope you will
find this comfortable.
705
00:38:15,861 --> 00:38:17,928
- Thanks, it looks
very inviting.
706
00:38:17,929 --> 00:38:19,464
- I think if Bram
Stoker were alive,
707
00:38:19,465 --> 00:38:21,832
he'd probably have said
Bela Lugosi was his favorite
708
00:38:21,833 --> 00:38:24,535
because he was
strange and exotic.
709
00:38:24,536 --> 00:38:28,339
- The spider spinning his
we for the unwary fly.
710
00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:31,410
The blood is the
light, Mr. Renfield.
711
00:38:32,778 --> 00:38:34,745
- He had a quality to him.
712
00:38:34,746 --> 00:38:36,280
You didn't think he
was that monstrous.
713
00:38:36,281 --> 00:38:39,049
I mean, when the wolves
are baying and he says.
714
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:40,318
- Children of the night.
715
00:38:41,953 --> 00:38:43,789
What music they make.
716
00:38:45,591 --> 00:38:47,492
- It's kind of like, oh.
717
00:38:47,493 --> 00:38:50,861
He has an aesthetic soul.
718
00:38:50,862 --> 00:38:53,431
- When Dwight Frye, as Renfield,
719
00:38:53,432 --> 00:38:55,332
first meets Bela
Lugosi's Dracula,
720
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,168
he practically gets the vapors.
721
00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:02,608
- It's really good to see you.
722
00:39:03,742 --> 00:39:05,776
- Dwight Frye commits
kind of a fruity,
723
00:39:05,777 --> 00:39:08,613
over the top,
excessive performance.
724
00:39:08,614 --> 00:39:10,915
- Yes, master.
725
00:39:10,916 --> 00:39:13,751
- And how did he get
to be so over the top?
726
00:39:13,752 --> 00:39:15,152
- It's just a scratch.
727
00:39:15,153 --> 00:39:16,754
- He is bitten by Dracula
728
00:39:16,755 --> 00:39:18,689
in the opening
sequence of the film.
729
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:20,290
And again, it's quite pronounced
730
00:39:20,291 --> 00:39:22,560
that this is a homoerotic act
731
00:39:22,561 --> 00:39:25,129
because he sort of passes out
732
00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:28,065
and then Dracula
enters the scene
733
00:39:28,066 --> 00:39:30,735
and then he bends down
in almost sort of like
734
00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:33,203
a spider like crouch as he moves
735
00:39:33,204 --> 00:39:35,707
in on the supine Renfield.
736
00:39:38,109 --> 00:39:38,944
- Dracula?
737
00:39:46,051 --> 00:39:49,620
I never even heard
the name before.
738
00:39:49,621 --> 00:39:52,490
- It is a hysterical
over the top performance
739
00:39:52,491 --> 00:39:54,892
that is perceived today
perhaps as being camp.
740
00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:56,827
- Who wants to eat flies?
741
00:39:56,828 --> 00:39:59,363
- You do, ya loony.
742
00:39:59,364 --> 00:40:04,369
- Not when I can get
nice fat spiders.
743
00:40:05,537 --> 00:40:06,737
- It is absolutely a
feeling of connection
744
00:40:06,738 --> 00:40:08,673
that many gay people
have for that character
745
00:40:08,674 --> 00:40:10,641
because it is
being marginalized,
746
00:40:10,642 --> 00:40:12,042
it's being told
that you're crazy,
747
00:40:12,043 --> 00:40:14,244
it's being told that
you don't fit in.
748
00:40:14,245 --> 00:40:15,513
- Come along, now.
749
00:40:15,514 --> 00:40:16,714
Come along.
750
00:40:16,715 --> 00:40:18,449
- Yet absolutely
having a conviction
751
00:40:18,450 --> 00:40:19,884
that nobody else shares.
752
00:40:23,121 --> 00:40:24,388
Why, he's mad.
753
00:40:24,389 --> 00:40:26,190
- The queerness of
that performance,
754
00:40:26,191 --> 00:40:27,892
that's Todd Browning's reaction
755
00:40:27,893 --> 00:40:29,860
to the world outside
of Universal Studios,
756
00:40:29,861 --> 00:40:32,229
which was really
embracing the Pansy Craze.
757
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:36,166
- Tod Browning's Dracula
came out to the 1931
758
00:40:36,167 --> 00:40:37,835
at the height of
the Pansy Craze.
759
00:40:37,836 --> 00:40:40,938
- The Pansy Craze referred
to drag entertainers
760
00:40:40,939 --> 00:40:43,040
who performed in
mainly nightclubs.
761
00:40:43,041 --> 00:40:45,876
Some of the most
significant pansy clubs
762
00:40:45,877 --> 00:40:47,912
were very close to
Universal Studios
763
00:40:47,913 --> 00:40:50,414
when these horror
films were being made.
764
00:40:50,415 --> 00:40:54,552
At that time, there was
a celebration of gay life
765
00:40:54,553 --> 00:40:57,154
in a very big way in Tinseltown.
766
00:40:57,155 --> 00:41:00,658
All the intelligentsia of
Hollywood came to these clubs
767
00:41:00,659 --> 00:41:02,960
to hear these different
performers and see them
768
00:41:02,961 --> 00:41:05,395
because they were witty, they
were smart, they were fun,
769
00:41:05,396 --> 00:41:09,501
they were outrageous,
and they were daring.
770
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:13,504
- The wonderful thing
about the Pansy Craze
771
00:41:13,505 --> 00:41:16,273
in cities like New York,
in Los Angeles and London
772
00:41:16,274 --> 00:41:18,275
is this invitation
for the normies
773
00:41:18,276 --> 00:41:19,777
to engage with the queers.
774
00:41:19,778 --> 00:41:22,279
A lot of that had to do with
prohibition and it was one of
775
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,015
the only places where straight
people could get a drink.
776
00:41:25,016 --> 00:41:27,852
- I never drink wine.
777
00:41:27,853 --> 00:41:30,487
- Tod Browning used
a lot of gay actors.
778
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:31,722
David Manners,
779
00:41:31,723 --> 00:41:34,759
who plays the romantic
interest in Dracula
780
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:35,594
- Mina.
781
00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:40,264
You're so, like a changed girl.
782
00:41:40,265 --> 00:41:43,233
- Who retired from
films because he was gay
783
00:41:43,234 --> 00:41:45,069
and he couldn't be
cast as a leading man
784
00:41:45,070 --> 00:41:46,403
when people knew
that he was queer.
785
00:41:46,404 --> 00:41:47,705
- What's he done to you, dearie?
786
00:41:47,706 --> 00:41:49,173
Tell me.
787
00:41:49,174 --> 00:41:51,275
- He came to me.
788
00:41:51,276 --> 00:41:56,046
He opened a vein in his
arm and he made me drink.
789
00:41:57,583 --> 00:42:01,920
- There is this kind of
tragic subtext for Dracula
790
00:42:03,121 --> 00:42:06,591
because he's never
fully in that life
791
00:42:06,592 --> 00:42:09,794
that he's been dealt.
792
00:42:09,795 --> 00:42:13,363
He becomes a perfect
metaphor in many ways,
793
00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:15,265
I think, for queer people.
794
00:42:15,266 --> 00:42:18,502
- What's always
worked for vampires,
795
00:42:18,503 --> 00:42:19,971
even when they're monstrous,
796
00:42:21,406 --> 00:42:24,475
is there's something that we
shouldn't like about them.
797
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,685
- He is meant to be the plague
and so it's very interesting
798
00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:37,988
that there has been
adaptation after adaptation
799
00:42:37,989 --> 00:42:40,825
after adaptation
of the Dracula myth
800
00:42:40,826 --> 00:42:43,427
in which he becomes
the central character.
801
00:42:43,428 --> 00:42:47,131
But in fact, that's not
the story of Dracula.
802
00:42:47,132 --> 00:42:50,601
The story of Dracula is
ordinary people visited
803
00:42:50,602 --> 00:42:53,738
by this terrible force.
804
00:42:53,739 --> 00:42:56,473
- How long have you
had those little marks?
805
00:42:56,474 --> 00:42:57,742
- Marks?
806
00:42:57,743 --> 00:42:59,309
- The interesting
thing is to me,
807
00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:01,912
he has always been a
ambiguous sexual figure.
808
00:43:01,913 --> 00:43:06,918
He is the sort of definition
of forbidden desire,
809
00:43:07,653 --> 00:43:09,520
whatever that may be.
810
00:43:11,857 --> 00:43:13,858
- I think what made
Dracula so timeless
811
00:43:13,859 --> 00:43:16,226
as a character is sex.
812
00:43:17,929 --> 00:43:20,765
- I felt it's breath on my face.
813
00:43:20,766 --> 00:43:22,232
And then it's lips.
814
00:43:22,233 --> 00:43:24,769
- Something tapping at
the window is frightening,
815
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:26,871
but it's also quite sexy
816
00:43:26,872 --> 00:43:28,906
'cause you never know
what it's going to be
817
00:43:28,907 --> 00:43:30,908
and it's massively tied up
818
00:43:30,909 --> 00:43:34,511
in all these kind of
oppressed desires.
819
00:43:34,512 --> 00:43:36,480
It's representing
something very,
820
00:43:36,481 --> 00:43:39,616
very powerful inside us all.
821
00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:44,388
That actually, one night with
Dracula is worth dying for.
61722
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