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(Somber music)
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(Thunder)
(Ominous music)
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[Voiceover] He's reaching
out, really, for the downtrodden
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Of society, for the average
Joe on the street who wants
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To look up to his lyrics
and his music and say,
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"Hey, this man's
talking my language."
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[Voiceover] You guys don't
like explaining anything
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To do with your music...
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[Voiceover] There's
nothing to be said,
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It's all in the music, man.
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It's all in the music.
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[Voiceover] If there was
a John Lennon-type figure
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For the so-called "Generation
X," it would be Cobain.
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[Voiceover] The body of
Nirvana leader Kurt Cobain
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Was found in a house in
Seattle on Friday morning,
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Dead of an apparently
self-inflicted shotgun blast
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To the head.
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[Voiceover] An electrician
hired to work on Cobain's home
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Walked up to this room
above Cobain's garage
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And made the shocking
discovery this morning.
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[Voiceover] A
suicide note was found.
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[Voiceover] This
is a puzzling case,
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A very disturbing case.
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[Voiceover] It first got
reported that Kurt was missing
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And Courtney Love hired
private investigator Tom Grant.
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[Voiceover] I had
been involved in
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Missing persons cases before.
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Some red flags started
popping up immediately,
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So I began recording every
conversation I had with Courtney
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During the entire period
that I worked for her.
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[Voiceover] My
name is (Indistinct)
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[Voiceover] It could be
made to look like a suicide.
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[Voiceover] People that
I had do this, I paid.
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[Voiceover] I've walked
into cases that looked
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Like they were suicides that
turned out to be homicides.
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[Voiceover] Cobain's
wife, singer Courtney Love,
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Was in England on tour
with her band Hole
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When the body was discovered.
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[Voiceover] As it is,
she has inherited an estate
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Worth tens of
millions of dollars.
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That's motive.
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[Voiceover] Did Courtney
Love kill Kurt Cobain?
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Did she have a hand in
any kind of conspiracy?
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These are favorite
topics of fanatics.
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[Voiceover] There's nothing
in the medical examiner's
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Report or coroner's reports
that could not have easily
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Have been duplicated
by a murderer.
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[Voiceover] It's entirely
possible that a police officer,
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No matter how well-trained,
may not see or notice
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A particular item of evidence.
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[Voiceover] Kurt
Cobain was not barricaded
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Inside the room.
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He did not leave his
driver's license out.
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No one would believe
that was a suicide note.
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Kurt Cobain was injected
with three times
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The lethal dose of heroin.
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The media was
getting this wrong.
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(Thunder)
(Rain)
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(Ominous music)
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Are you sure
he's not in there?
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I knocked for at
least five minutes.
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If he's there he
would have answered.
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Alright, I just
don't wanna end up
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On the wrong end of a shotgun.
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Let's go.
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[Dylan] Careful.
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[Dylan] Kurt?
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Kurt!
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[Tom] If we find
it we're gonna have
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To take it, right?
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[Dylan] Yeah.
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Which I can legally
do since I bought it.
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It's in my name, so...
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[Tom] Not here, could
it be under the bed?
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[Dylan] Might be.
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[Tom] No. Alright,
let's move this.
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Alright, what is this?
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This mean anything to ya?
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[Dylan] Rohypnol,
that's where they are.
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[Tom] What?
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He kept saying
someone stole 'em,
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But they've been sitting there.
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These are what he
OD'ed on in Rome.
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[Tom] Well she didn't
want us to take those.
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Yeah.
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[Tom] Uh, wait a minute.
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Would she be okay
if you keep 'em?
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[Dylan] Yeah.
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Are they legal here?
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[Dylan] Yeah, they're
completely legal, they're like...
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[Tom] What are they used for?
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[Dylan] They're
sold as a sedative for
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Sleeping ailments, and sometimes
they're given to people...
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[Tom] And if we get
pulled over, you're not
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Gonna get arrested
for havin' those?
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[Dylan] No, they're fine.
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Well it's obviously
not here, the shotgun.
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No, and I dunno
where it would be.
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[Tom] Is there anywhere else?
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[Dylan] No.
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[Tom] Okay.
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(Ominous music)
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My name is Tom Grant.
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I was hired by Courtney
Love to find her missing
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Husband, Kurt Cobain,
in April of 1994.
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My father was a schoolteacher,
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And this is a man I
never caught one time
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In my entire life telling a lie.
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He was the best role
model anybody can ask for.
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By the time I became a
junior in high school,
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I definitely wanted to
be a police officer.
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Graduating from the L.A.
County Sheriff's Department
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Was a very proud day for
me and for my family.
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My first assignment
was a patrol division
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At West Hollywood
Sheriff Station.
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When I quit the department,
I quit in very high standing.
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From there I moved
on, took the test
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And obtained my own private
investigator's license.
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I believe what makes me a good
P.I. is that I always apply
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Logic and common sense
to everything that I do.
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I've seen a lot of
suicides, a lot of murders,
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And I don't try to
pre-determine anything.
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And if I feel that my
client, that's coming to me
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For help, is in the wrong based
on what they're telling me,
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I'll let them know,
"This could be a pretty"
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"Dangerous trip for you."
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Scratch the surface of most
P.I.s and you don't find a clean
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Record, you find
a lotta skeletons.
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And then we met Tom Grant.
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It turned out he had
an exemplary record.
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He was respected, he
was a stand-up guy.
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There was a consensus,
and that went a long way
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To convincing us
of his credibility.
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The word conspiracy is
actually a legal term.
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It simply means two or
more people plotting
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Or planning to commit a crime.
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Even committing shoplifting
with another person
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Can actually be charged
with conspiracy.
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When somebody refers to me
as a conspiracy theorist,
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I take it as an insult because
I know what they mean by it.
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Hiring me is not like
hiring an attorney.
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It's not to protect you, it's
not to keep you outta jail.
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My job as a private investigator
is to find the truth.
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It's simply to find
the truth in the matter
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That you're hiring me for.
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(Eerie music)
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On Easter Sunday,
I was in my office
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With a private investigator
who worked for me
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Named Ben Klugman,
and we were dealing
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With a client when
the phone rang.
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(Phone ringing)
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Now who calls on Easter?
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Would you excuse us
for just a second?
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The Grant Company,
how may I help you?
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[Tom] And it was a woman's
voice on the other end,
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Kind of a raspy, low voice.
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Now if someone is unlawfully
using your credit cards,
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Maybe the police are the
better people to call.
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[Tom] And then she said,
"My husband and I are"
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"Kinda famous, and we need
to get this done right away."
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And your husband's name?
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Are you kidding me?
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No, no.
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I was about 47 at
the time; Ben Klugman,
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My investigator, was 29.
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He immediately
knew who they were
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And what had been
going on, even in Rome
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Just a few weeks earlier.
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Because it was a holiday, of
course, there were very few,
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If any, other
private investigators
working, so she went
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Through the Yellow Pages
and she found our ad
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And I was probably one
of many that she called,
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And I think she was
probably surprised
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To have the phone picked up.
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What room number?
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It's not very often that
a private investigator goes
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Against his client, so I'm
sure she regrets hiring me.
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When we were available
to meet Courtney
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At the Peninsula Hotel,
first thing she said,
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And this is her words,
they're not mine,
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You leak this to the press,
I'll sue the fuck out of you.
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Well, hello to
you too. (Laughing)
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How ya doin'?
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Kurtis came from
rehab a couple days ago.
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He bought a ticket back to
Seattle, but nobody's seen him
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Since he got back.
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When I first entered
the room, she was wearing
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A negligee nightgown,
totally see-through.
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She might as well have
had nothing on whatsoever.
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[Courtney] I called
the credit card companies
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And told them that
the card was stolen
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And that they should cancel it.
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[Tom] Was it?
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[Courtney] What?
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[Tom] Stolen.
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[Courtney] No.
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Courtney eventually told
us that Kurt's credit card
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Actually wasn't stolen,
that she had called the
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Credit card company and
canceled it so that nobody
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Could use it.
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She felt that that would,
essentially, cut him off
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From any funds.
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I'm sure your husband has
another way of getting money.
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[Courtney] Are you kidding me?
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Kurt is helpless, he
doesn't have any friends.
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Again, in her words,
"You don't understand."
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"This guy can't even catch a..."
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Fucking cab by
himself if he wanted to!
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[Woman] Hey.
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[Courtney] Hey.
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That's my drug dealer.
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I didn't know at the
time that this was supposed
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To be an in-house rehab.
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I learned that later,
but a total farce.
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Most of the time I was
with her, she was either
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On drugs or doing drugs.
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There was nobody overseeing
what was going on there.
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[Courtney] Listen,
Kurt escaped from rehab,
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He bought a shotgun, and I
just feel like something bad
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Is gonna happen, okay?
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In the middle of all this
conversation, she keeps talking
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About how suicidal he is,
and how everybody thinks
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He's gonna commit suicide.
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[Courtney] Everybody
knows it, everybody thinks
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He's gonna die.
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Hold on a second.
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If he bought a shotgun
and he's suicidal,
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Then dealing with this
credit card problem,
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That's the least important
thing we could help you with.
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[Courtney] Okay, well that's
where I want you to start.
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She started off with a lie
when we first talked to her
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On the phone, saying why
she wanted to hire us,
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Which wasn't true, and
then she starts telling us
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These other things that
just didn't add up.
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They weren't logical,
they didn't make sense.
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So all kinds of red
flags started popping up.
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I dunno what's gonna
happen with this case,
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But we are gonna
document everything.
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Looking back on that day,
it turned out to be a day
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That really changed
my life forever.
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The name Kurt Cobain
goes through my mind,
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Probably three or 400
times a day, at least,
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And it has for the last
20 years, by necessity,
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Because of the e-mails I
get, the letters I get,
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And all the other stuff,
because he was so famous,
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And it gets a little
bit old after a while,
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Just thinking Kurt Cobain,
Kurt Cobain, Kurt Cobain.
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[Voiceover] Kurt Cobain,
Kurt Cobain, Kurt Cobain,
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Kurt Cobain, Kurt Cobain.
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(Rock music)
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(Rock music)
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Growing up in Aberdeen,
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Basically not a whole lot to do.
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Nine months out of the
year is very dreary,
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Very overcast, lotsa rain.
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It's kinda hard living in this
area and not being depressed.
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Employment
opportunities in Aberdeen,
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There's not a whole lot.
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For the most part, we
were lower-middle class.
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I don't think we would
be considered poor,
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We certainly didn't go hungry.
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The first two weeks of
the month, everybody gets
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Their welfare check,
the bars are packed.
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The last two weeks of the
month, the bars are empty
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And that's pretty much the
state of living. (Laughing)
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Kurt used to live
across the street,
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And his mother and him,
they'd sit out there and argue
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For a half hour or 45 minutes,
and the wife and I slept up
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In the upstairs bedroom, so
we used to hear it. (Laughing)
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I knew Kurt Cobain
from the high school.
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He ran around with
my two oldest sons.
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The couch I'm sitting
on now is the couch
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That Kurt slept on.
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He stayed for a few days,
and then a few days more,
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And it just sorta stretched
out to be about a year.
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It's a depressing
atmosphere, but I also think
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At the same time, that's
why we have so many bands
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From all over Washington State.
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There was nothing to do.
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It rained constantly, so
what you had to do was
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You had to improvise.
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People tended to pick
up instruments and play,
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And I think that just
affected the music
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For this whole
region in general.
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In our neighborhood,
we lived a block away
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From the group that
became the Melvins.
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Metal Church lived in
the house next door.
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We had examples of
people who made it.
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I used to see him with
his drum sticks beat
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On the stop signs, on the
fences, and his dad had
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A old Ford pickup, he used
to beat on that. (Laughing)
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When he first saw the Melvins
live for the first time,
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He just knew that that
was what he wanted to do.
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The day that changed his life.
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Before Nirvana, we
were called Skid Row,
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And then we went from Skid
Row and we played live
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On the radio, a
midnight show on Chaos.
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The very next day, I
showed up at Kurt's
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And Kurt had his easel
and he was paintin'
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This picture, and I
looked at it and I go,
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"What the hell?"
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It was a painting of a giant pen
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With its cap all chewed up.
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From that day on, we
were called Pencap Chew.
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We did some shows
as Pencap Chew,
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And Kurt tired of that,
so we're Ted Ed Fred.
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They don't like that no more,
so we're gonna be Bliss.
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The fourth name was Bliss,
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And then the fifth
name was Nirvana.
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I didn't see him
as being particularly
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Different emotionally
from any of us.
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I think people tended
to read him wrong,
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Just because he
was a quiet person.
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I don't see Kurt as
being depressed at all,
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I see him as being optimistic.
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He gave me a lotta hope,
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To hopefully, some day,
get outta this area
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With my music.
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Nirvana, Mudhoney and the
Melvins was doing something.
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It was proactive.
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To me, that takes courage,
and he had that courage,
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And that was the big difference.
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He had so much talent
and tremendous amount
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Of creativity to give,
so it's unlimited,
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What he could've done.
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It would be nice to,
eventually, start playing
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Acoustic guitars and be
thought of as a singer
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And a songwriter rather
than a grunge rocker.
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Because then I might be able
to take advantage of that
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When I'm older and
sit down on a chair
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And play acoustic guitar like
Johnny Cash or something,
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And it won't be a big
joke, but who knows?
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My last real memory of Kurt
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And it's not a good thing
for me, but I was on my way
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To work and I had to get gas.
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I stopped in at one
of my former employers
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And I was gettin' gas for
my car, and they actually
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Had the radio playing.
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They overheard it on
the radio and stuff,
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Standing, paying for my
gas, and it was like...
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I can't forget that day.
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(Eerie guitar music)
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[Courtney] I called
the credit card company
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Like you said, and
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They told me he also
bought two tickets
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On United Airlines.
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[Older man] Where to?
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They don't know, or
they won't tell me.
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All they told me was how
much he paid for 'em.
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So, I dunno.
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Maybe he's going to hang
out with Michael again.
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Michael.
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Stipe.
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Lead singer of R.E.M?
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Anyway, I figure he
flies up, gets his guitar
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From Seattle and then he
flies down to Atlanta,
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But he has two tickets.
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Did he buy a ticket
for someone else?
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(Crying)
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I think Kurt wants a divorce.
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Why would you say that?
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He left me a note in Rome,
he said he's leaving me.
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The subject of divorce
came up almost every time
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We talked after that.
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Whenever Courtney
referred to divorce,
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She would usually
say something like...
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The only way that a
divorce is gonna happen is
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If I bust him for infidelity.
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Has he been unfaithful?
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Yes! Yes, I think so.
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Courtney, on several
occasions, mentioned
that she thought
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Kurt might be having an
affair with Kristen Pfaff,
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Her bass player.
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She was very jealous, and
she also felt like he might
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Be having an affair
with Caitlin.
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His drug dealer.
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If Kurt's in Seattle,
he's with her.
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She seemed to be
very jealous of anybody
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That got near Kurt, and wanted
to know every little move
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That he made.
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So I planted a story
in the news yesterday,
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Saying that I had OD'ed and
that I was in the hospital,
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Thinking that Kurt would
get scared and call me.
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I dunno, it's like...
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I've got this record
coming out in a week,
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00:23:05.667 --> 00:23:10.667
And so I know the value of this,
but I didn't think about it
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When it first happened, but
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(Laughing)
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00:23:18.800 --> 00:23:22.267
Anyway, what do I tell this
guy from the Associated Press?
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00:23:22.267 --> 00:23:26.670
Should I call and confirm it,
and so the story goes out,
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And say I was there?
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00:23:27.467 --> 00:23:29.467
I tell you what, and this
is just my gut instinct
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Yeah.
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That way there's
no drugs involved
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And the sympathy goes to me.
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00:23:58.700 --> 00:24:01.933
(Laughing) The press always
perceives me as just completely
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00:24:01.933 --> 00:24:06.670
Tragic and fucked up
anyway, so I don't know.
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00:24:14.733 --> 00:24:18.433
Thank you very much,
that's a lot of information,
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00:24:18.767 --> 00:24:20.500
And we'll go do our job.
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00:24:36.233 --> 00:24:40.233
We were already convinced
that Tom was sincere,
401
00:24:40.233 --> 00:24:41.633
That he believed
what he was saying.
402
00:24:41.633 --> 00:24:43.233
He certainly wasn't lying.
403
00:24:43.233 --> 00:24:45.900
He brought us into this
office with a safe,
404
00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:49.333
Opened the safe, and there was
this trove of cassette tapes,
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00:24:49.333 --> 00:24:51.767
Just hours and hours of tapes.
406
00:24:52.600 --> 00:24:55.100
And then he starts
playing us the tapes.
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00:24:56.670 --> 00:24:59.700
And the facts were there.
408
00:25:11.567 --> 00:25:14.733
She's just, coming
across as very controlling
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00:25:14.733 --> 00:25:16.633
And very angry.
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00:25:33.533 --> 00:25:36.567
Something was going on
that was outta the ordinary,
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00:25:36.567 --> 00:25:40.333
And there was more to this
than what I was being told.
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[Courtney] I called
Seattle Police,
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Filed a missing person's report.
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00:25:44.733 --> 00:25:46.467
[Tom] Did they ask when
you were comin' back?
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She filed it in the
name of Wendy O'Connor,
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00:25:49.300 --> 00:25:51.670
Kurt Cobain's mother.
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00:25:57.167 --> 00:25:58.933
[Courtney] If I filed
it under my own name.
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00:25:58.933 --> 00:26:01.100
So all the media that
went out after that
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00:26:01.100 --> 00:26:03.767
That said Kurt's mother filed
a missing person's report
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00:26:03.767 --> 00:26:05.200
Was totally false.
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00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.667
On April 4th, Kurt Cobain's
mother, Wendy O'Connor,
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Filed a missing person's
report on her son
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Because he reportedly fled a
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Quote end quote, "facility."
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She did not clarify whether
that was a drug treatment center
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00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.670
Or not, but that's what
people are speculating.
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00:26:19.670 --> 00:26:21.433
She was worried about Kurt
because he had a shotgun
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00:26:21.433 --> 00:26:22.667
In his possession.
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00:26:22.667 --> 00:26:25.733
She considered him suicidal.
430
00:26:25.733 --> 00:26:27.767
[Courtney] That should
get things going, right?
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[Tom] Right.
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00:26:29.333 --> 00:26:30.633
[Courtney] What about Caitlin?
433
00:26:30.633 --> 00:26:32.467
I know that they're together.
434
00:26:32.467 --> 00:26:33.833
[Tom] I've got someone
watching her apartment.
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00:26:33.833 --> 00:26:35.233
He hasn't showed up.
436
00:26:35.233 --> 00:26:36.700
I wanna put someone
on your house too,
437
00:26:36.700 --> 00:26:39.600
Because sooner or later
he's gonna come home.
438
00:26:40.167 --> 00:26:42.767
[Courtney] But if
Kurt's still in Seattle,
439
00:26:42.767 --> 00:26:47.100
He's hiding out, he's not
gonna be at the house.
440
00:26:48.567 --> 00:26:52.667
He likes to stay in hotels,
fancy hotels downtown.
441
00:26:56.167 --> 00:26:58.733
He uses the name Simon Richie.
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00:26:59.867 --> 00:27:02.633
Mm, mm, or Bill Bailey.
443
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:04.833
You should check that out.
444
00:27:06.567 --> 00:27:08.233
The next day, on
Monday, when we hadn't had
445
00:27:08.233 --> 00:27:12.700
Any success with the really
nice hotels in Seattle,
446
00:27:12.700 --> 00:27:16.667
We began calling some of
the other smaller motels,
447
00:27:16.667 --> 00:27:20.233
And we located a
motel, and there was a
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00:27:20.233 --> 00:27:22.600
Bill Bailey registered there.
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00:27:22.600 --> 00:27:23.800
I wanna send one of
our guys over there
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To see if it's Kurt.
451
00:27:25.300 --> 00:27:26.267
[Courtney] No no no no no
no, I don't want Kurt to know
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00:27:26.267 --> 00:27:27.700
That I'm looking for him.
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00:27:27.700 --> 00:27:29.670
Send somebody over there,
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00:27:29.670 --> 00:27:31.667
Just have them watch
the hotel, okay?
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00:27:32.300 --> 00:27:33.867
Okay.
456
00:27:36.367 --> 00:27:38.867
I dunno, 15 or
20 minutes went by.
457
00:27:38.867 --> 00:27:41.133
What do you mean
you called the hotel?
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00:27:41.133 --> 00:27:43.200
I thought that you said that
you didn't want Kurt to...
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00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.670
[Courtney] No! I, Tom...
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00:27:45.670 --> 00:27:49.670
Okay, listen,
if he's not there,
461
00:27:49.670 --> 00:27:50.433
Then I think we need
to set up a team
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00:27:50.433 --> 00:27:51.733
At the Lake Washington house.
463
00:27:51.733 --> 00:27:53.200
It's a waste of time, Tom.
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00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.670
You know what, he's
not gonna be there.
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00:27:55.670 --> 00:27:57.670
Is there a reason that
you don't want surveillance
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00:27:57.670 --> 00:27:58.670
On your house?
467
00:27:58.670 --> 00:28:00.300
Yes, because we don't need it.
468
00:28:00.300 --> 00:28:03.200
Cali's there, he'll tell
me if Kurt shows up.
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00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:08.200
(Ominous music)
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00:28:17.633 --> 00:28:19.900
[Tom] Earlier in the
day in a conversation,
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Courtney told me she
didn't trust Cali,
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00:28:21.867 --> 00:28:24.333
And she said he's one of the
best liars she's ever met.
473
00:28:24.333 --> 00:28:25.933
But now, all of a
sudden, she tells me
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00:28:25.933 --> 00:28:27.670
He won't tell anybody.
475
00:28:27.670 --> 00:28:32.670
(Ominous music)
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00:28:36.567 --> 00:28:37.500
[Tom] I'm not as
effective for you here
477
00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:38.867
As I would be up there.
478
00:28:38.867 --> 00:28:41.400
I'd like to move the entire
search up to Seattle.
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00:28:42.467 --> 00:28:44.533
I know I got guys on the
ground there, local guys,
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00:28:44.533 --> 00:28:48.133
And if I were there I could
move 'em along a little.
481
00:28:48.700 --> 00:28:50.967
That's fine, you can go.
482
00:28:51.467 --> 00:28:54.167
That's great, that's great.
483
00:28:54.167 --> 00:28:55.500
[Woman] Why don't you
go up there, Courtney?
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[Courtney] Because I can't!
485
00:28:57.500 --> 00:29:00.670
I have business to
take care of here.
486
00:29:01.100 --> 00:29:02.400
Look, I'd appreciate it
if you didn't tell anyone
487
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:03.900
I was traveling up there.
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00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:06.200
If anyone knows,
they might tell Kurt,
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00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.400
And then he could flee.
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00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.333
[Courtney] Absolutely, I
think it's a really good idea.
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Okay, I'm gonna get goin'.
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[Courtney] Save the
American icon, Tom.
493
00:29:22.467 --> 00:29:27.467
(Ominous music)
494
00:29:29.467 --> 00:29:34.467
(Rock music)
495
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.300
As I was getting
ready to fly to Seattle,
496
00:29:53.300 --> 00:29:55.800
Courtney told me
about Dylan Carlson.
497
00:29:55.800 --> 00:29:58.670
Dylan knew all the
hangouts, he knew the house
498
00:29:58.670 --> 00:29:59.633
Really well.
499
00:29:59.633 --> 00:30:02.200
Kurt's best friend
was Dylan Carlson.
500
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:05.167
So what are you
thinkin', is he suicidal?
501
00:30:05.167 --> 00:30:06.967
No, not at all.
502
00:30:07.933 --> 00:30:09.733
He's been under a lotta
pressure but he's been handling
503
00:30:09.733 --> 00:30:11.567
Things pretty good.
504
00:30:11.567 --> 00:30:12.933
I know he and Courtney
have been having
505
00:30:12.933 --> 00:30:15.533
A lotta troubles lately, but...
506
00:30:17.600 --> 00:30:19.467
I don't know why
Kurt married her.
507
00:30:19.467 --> 00:30:21.433
They don't get along, they
don't agree about anything,
508
00:30:21.433 --> 00:30:24.267
They're always fighting,
that type of thing.
509
00:30:24.267 --> 00:30:27.200
This thing in
Rome, did anybody say
510
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.733
That that may have been
him tryin' to kill himself?
511
00:30:29.733 --> 00:30:32.200
No, it was an accident.
512
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:33.800
Everybody knows that.
513
00:30:33.800 --> 00:30:35.900
I asked him several times
about whether Kurt was
514
00:30:35.900 --> 00:30:39.600
Suicidal or not, and it
was almost a joke to him.
515
00:30:39.600 --> 00:30:41.433
It was like, "No,
of course not."
516
00:30:41.433 --> 00:30:45.333
'Cause I'm thinkin'
if he was as suicidal
517
00:30:45.333 --> 00:30:47.867
As she says he is, why would
she let him buy a shotgun?
518
00:30:47.867 --> 00:30:49.967
He's not suicidal.
519
00:30:49.967 --> 00:30:52.400
We bought that shotgun
the day he went to rehab,
520
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.767
Been a burglary at
the house recently.
521
00:30:54.767 --> 00:30:57.133
The police had just
confiscated his other gun,
522
00:30:57.133 --> 00:30:59.433
So I registered it in my name.
523
00:31:01.833 --> 00:31:04.100
Trust me, if he was suicidal,
I would never let him
524
00:31:04.100 --> 00:31:05.933
Get a shotgun.
525
00:31:10.867 --> 00:31:13.670
Singer Courtney Love says
Cobain had first written
526
00:31:13.670 --> 00:31:15.567
A suicide note to her
which said, in part,
527
00:31:15.567 --> 00:31:19.670
"It's not fun for me anymore,
I can't live this life."
528
00:31:19.670 --> 00:31:21.167
There was a mythology
that, "Oh yeah",
529
00:31:21.167 --> 00:31:22.867
"Everybody knew he was suicidal,"
530
00:31:22.867 --> 00:31:25.133
"That was just obvious,"
531
00:31:25.133 --> 00:31:27.933
So it was no big surprise when
he finally killed himself.
532
00:31:27.933 --> 00:31:30.100
And then you go to
those closest to him,
533
00:31:30.100 --> 00:31:32.670
The people that knew him best,
534
00:31:32.670 --> 00:31:34.800
And none of them
believed he was suicidal.
535
00:31:34.800 --> 00:31:38.670
I've never heard Kurt talk
about suicide or anything,
536
00:31:38.670 --> 00:31:39.833
He always seemed
happy around me.
537
00:31:39.833 --> 00:31:42.733
Quiet, shy, but
definitely happy.
538
00:31:42.733 --> 00:31:45.600
Never hinted to me
that he was depressed.
539
00:31:45.600 --> 00:31:49.533
His music and his lyrics
portrayed a darker side
540
00:31:49.533 --> 00:31:53.500
To some of his emotions, but
I think that was glorified.
541
00:31:53.500 --> 00:31:55.767
People start to analyze
the lyrics and look at some
542
00:31:55.767 --> 00:31:57.633
Of the things that
he wrote and say,
543
00:31:57.633 --> 00:31:59.567
"Of course, look at
what he wrote here."
544
00:31:59.567 --> 00:32:02.233
"Obviously he's
talking about suicide."
545
00:32:02.233 --> 00:32:05.333
I'm tired of people
thinking, trying to put
546
00:32:05.333 --> 00:32:07.633
Too much meaning into my lyrics.
547
00:32:07.633 --> 00:32:09.670
A lotta times when I
write lyrics, which is
548
00:32:09.670 --> 00:32:12.333
At the last second
'cause I'm really lazy.
549
00:32:12.333 --> 00:32:14.267
And then I find myself
having to come up
550
00:32:14.267 --> 00:32:16.233
With explanations for it.
551
00:32:16.700 --> 00:32:20.100
There may be one or two lines
in a song here and there,
552
00:32:20.100 --> 00:32:23.433
But I swear to God,
brother, it's really not
553
00:32:23.433 --> 00:32:25.567
As much as it seems.
554
00:32:25.567 --> 00:32:27.767
The pain in his stomach,
this was a big thing
555
00:32:27.767 --> 00:32:30.633
This stomach pain that he'd
been suffering for years
556
00:32:30.633 --> 00:32:33.633
Was so severe that it made
him wanna kill himself.
557
00:32:33.633 --> 00:32:35.800
He did talk like that,
there's no question,
558
00:32:35.800 --> 00:32:39.933
And once that was
diagnosed, it was treated,
559
00:32:39.933 --> 00:32:41.100
And the pain went away.
560
00:32:41.100 --> 00:32:42.967
[Voiceover]
How's your stomach?
561
00:32:42.967 --> 00:32:44.670
Have you found anything to...
562
00:32:44.670 --> 00:32:47.670
(Sighing) It's gone.
563
00:32:47.670 --> 00:32:48.500
- [Voiceover] Yeah?
- Yeah.
564
00:32:48.500 --> 00:32:51.833
I finally have been prescribed
the right stomach medicine
565
00:32:51.833 --> 00:32:56.833
After six years of being
in constant pain, finally.
566
00:32:57.600 --> 00:33:00.800
I haven't had a stomach
problem for over a year now.
567
00:33:00.800 --> 00:33:04.967
The stomach pain and the
outlook and his disposition
568
00:33:04.967 --> 00:33:07.670
Seem to be very closely linked.
569
00:33:07.670 --> 00:33:08.733
He had given an interview
to Rolling Stone,
570
00:33:08.733 --> 00:33:11.267
Where he said he was
happier than he'd ever been.
571
00:33:11.267 --> 00:33:12.670
[Voiceover] Is this your idea?
572
00:33:12.670 --> 00:33:13.400
(Kurt burping)
573
00:33:14.633 --> 00:33:18.533
When you hear Courtney
spinning this whole
574
00:33:18.533 --> 00:33:23.533
Elaborate timeline about how
he tried to commit suicide
575
00:33:23.533 --> 00:33:25.900
Before and he was
talking about suicide
576
00:33:25.900 --> 00:33:29.600
To everybody he knew, that
just seems to be fiction.
577
00:33:30.333 --> 00:33:32.567
Rather chillingly, Love
says that three of Cobain's
578
00:33:32.567 --> 00:33:34.867
Uncles had also
committed suicide.
579
00:33:34.867 --> 00:33:37.267
She calls it the Cobain curse.
580
00:33:37.267 --> 00:33:41.100
As far as the suicide
history in the Cobain family,
581
00:33:41.100 --> 00:33:43.767
Leland Cobain's father,
he was a Monte Santo
582
00:33:43.767 --> 00:33:47.733
Police officer, and he
went into a bar one day
583
00:33:47.733 --> 00:33:48.900
And he sat at a bar stool.
584
00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:50.767
This was back in 1938.
585
00:33:50.767 --> 00:33:53.433
His gun somehow dislodged
from its holster,
586
00:33:53.433 --> 00:33:56.767
Hit the ground, and
according to the report,
587
00:33:56.767 --> 00:33:59.670
He looked around in the
bar and asked if everybody
588
00:33:59.670 --> 00:34:00.933
Was okay, and then
immediately collapsed.
589
00:34:00.933 --> 00:34:03.100
He just fell dead.
590
00:34:03.767 --> 00:34:06.700
From what Leland has told
me about his brother,
591
00:34:06.700 --> 00:34:11.700
His brother was drinking
and he fell down a staircase
592
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:14.670
And died from
complications of that.
593
00:34:14.670 --> 00:34:15.233
Neither Kurt's great-grandpa
594
00:34:15.233 --> 00:34:18.167
Or his great-uncle
were suicides.
595
00:34:18.933 --> 00:34:20.667
One of the important
elements in the case,
596
00:34:20.667 --> 00:34:24.670
And in convincing the
world that it was suicide
597
00:34:24.670 --> 00:34:27.533
Was the so-called
"Rome suicide attempt."
598
00:34:27.533 --> 00:34:30.167
(Drumming)
599
00:34:30.167 --> 00:34:31.733
Nirvana front-man Kurt Cobain,
600
00:34:31.733 --> 00:34:33.567
Who slipped into a coma
and was hospitalized
601
00:34:33.567 --> 00:34:36.100
In Rome, Italy, at about 6AM
this morning, was in a state
602
00:34:36.100 --> 00:34:38.800
Of what his management
calls "complete collapse."
603
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:40.400
His condition was
apparently aggravated
604
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:42.670
When he consumed
champagne on top of a
605
00:34:42.670 --> 00:34:44.600
Prescription painkiller
called Rohypnol.
606
00:34:44.600 --> 00:34:47.867
At the time, the word
suicide was never used
607
00:34:47.867 --> 00:34:50.133
By the media, by
Courtney, by Kurt.
608
00:34:50.133 --> 00:34:53.367
It was portrayed as an
accidental drug overdose.
609
00:34:53.367 --> 00:34:55.467
[Voiceover] He recovered from
the coma, and his publicists
610
00:34:55.467 --> 00:34:58.333
Said the incident was an
accident, not a suicide attempt.
611
00:34:58.333 --> 00:35:02.100
As soon as Kurt died, first
interviews that Courtney gave
612
00:35:02.100 --> 00:35:04.867
She started talking about
previous suicide attempts,
613
00:35:04.867 --> 00:35:06.833
Rome was a suicide attempt.
614
00:35:06.833 --> 00:35:08.967
Courtney started telling people
615
00:35:08.967 --> 00:35:12.670
That Kurt had
swallowed 60 pills.
616
00:35:13.670 --> 00:35:14.700
You swallow 60 pills,
that's not an accident.
617
00:35:14.700 --> 00:35:16.400
That's a suicide attempt.
618
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:20.133
So we decided to contact
the doctor that treated Kurt
619
00:35:20.133 --> 00:35:25.133
In Rome, Doctor Galletta,
and he categorically denied
620
00:35:25.367 --> 00:35:28.533
That there were 60
pills in his stomach
621
00:35:28.533 --> 00:35:31.670
And that it was a
suicide attempt.
622
00:35:31.670 --> 00:35:34.700
At the time, Kurt and
Courtney both said it was
623
00:35:34.700 --> 00:35:37.433
An accident, and the
doctor confirmed that.
624
00:35:37.433 --> 00:35:40.233
So there's just no evidence
that he had ever tried
625
00:35:40.233 --> 00:35:41.833
To kill himself before.
626
00:35:41.833 --> 00:35:44.767
No anecdotal evidence,
nobody else close to Kurt
627
00:35:44.767 --> 00:35:47.833
Ever said that he tried
to commit suicide,
628
00:35:47.833 --> 00:35:50.767
But the world just took
Courtney's word for it.
629
00:36:26.733 --> 00:36:31.733
(Sad guitar music)
630
00:36:33.433 --> 00:36:35.767
While I was in Seattle with
Dylan and we were driving
631
00:36:35.767 --> 00:36:38.100
Around, I mentioned to
him that Courtney said
632
00:36:38.100 --> 00:36:41.670
That Kurt only stays
in the best hotels,
633
00:36:41.670 --> 00:36:43.700
And he was almost incredulous.
634
00:36:43.700 --> 00:36:45.767
He practically
laughed and he said,
635
00:36:45.767 --> 00:36:47.233
"That's ridiculous!"
636
00:36:47.233 --> 00:36:51.200
"He hates fancy hotels, he
stays in really cheap places,"
637
00:36:51.200 --> 00:36:53.700
"Mostly along the Aurora strip."
638
00:36:53.700 --> 00:36:55.800
Have you seen him or not?
639
00:36:56.633 --> 00:36:57.933
Okay, come on.
640
00:36:57.933 --> 00:37:02.933
(Eerie music)
641
00:37:05.200 --> 00:37:07.700
[Dylan] I'm gonna call
Courtney and check in.
642
00:37:07.700 --> 00:37:09.333
I dunno what's goin' on.
643
00:37:09.333 --> 00:37:12.500
Dylan told me that when
they did stay at those motels,
644
00:37:12.500 --> 00:37:14.667
They usually stayed
for two or three weeks,
645
00:37:14.667 --> 00:37:18.670
Basically living off of
Coca Cola and potato chips
646
00:37:18.670 --> 00:37:20.670
And doing their heroin.
647
00:37:27.100 --> 00:37:29.100
Courtney always wanted
to go through Dylan,
648
00:37:29.100 --> 00:37:31.500
She wanted to talk
to Dylan on the phone
649
00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:34.467
And have Dylan give
me the instructions.
650
00:37:34.467 --> 00:37:37.433
Courtney's had some trouble,
she was in the hospital
651
00:37:37.433 --> 00:37:39.367
And she got arrested.
652
00:37:39.367 --> 00:37:40.833
What?
653
00:37:40.833 --> 00:37:43.800
She said that it was all a
big mistake and she's fine.
654
00:37:44.267 --> 00:37:45.700
She wants us to go back
to the house and look
655
00:37:45.700 --> 00:37:47.533
For the shotgun again.
656
00:37:48.200 --> 00:37:49.867
She thinks it might be
in the hidden compartment
657
00:37:49.867 --> 00:37:51.567
Of the bedroom closet.
658
00:37:51.567 --> 00:37:53.333
Hidden compartment?
659
00:37:53.333 --> 00:37:55.500
She hadn't mentioned
that to us before,
660
00:37:55.500 --> 00:37:57.833
But she said, "That's where
Kurt keeps the shotgun",
661
00:37:57.833 --> 00:38:00.300
"So if it's there, that's
where it's gonna be."
662
00:38:01.133 --> 00:38:02.633
[Tom] Let's go.
663
00:38:03.733 --> 00:38:08.733
(Ominous music)
664
00:38:19.900 --> 00:38:21.667
Remember this from last night?
665
00:38:21.667 --> 00:38:23.670
[Dylan] No.
666
00:38:23.200 --> 00:38:26.367
The note that was
apparently written by Cali
667
00:38:26.367 --> 00:38:27.800
Didn't make sense.
668
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:31.767
"Kurt, I can't believe you
managed to be in this house"
669
00:38:31.767 --> 00:38:33.500
"Without me noticing."
670
00:38:33.500 --> 00:38:36.567
"You're a fucking asshole
for not calling Courtney"
671
00:38:36.567 --> 00:38:39.633
"And at least letting her
know that you're okay."
672
00:38:39.633 --> 00:38:42.400
"She's in a lot of pain,
Kurt, and this morning"
673
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:44.433
"She had another
accident, and now she's"
674
00:38:44.433 --> 00:38:46.567
"In the hospital again."
675
00:38:47.267 --> 00:38:49.400
We looked in that little
hidden compartment.
676
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:51.367
There was no shotgun there.
677
00:38:52.200 --> 00:38:55.300
"She's your wife, she loves you,"
678
00:38:55.300 --> 00:38:57.367
"And you have a child together."
679
00:38:57.367 --> 00:39:00.500
"Get it together to at
least tell her you're okay,"
680
00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:02.400
"Or she is going to die."
681
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.167
"It's not fair, man."
682
00:39:04.167 --> 00:39:05.733
"Do something now."
683
00:39:05.733 --> 00:39:10.733
(Eerie music)
684
00:39:15.500 --> 00:39:17.600
Later when I talked to
Rosemary Carroll about it
685
00:39:17.600 --> 00:39:19.467
And I told her I was
suspicious of it,
686
00:39:19.467 --> 00:39:22.767
She jumped in right away, and
she knows Cali real well, too.
687
00:39:51.833 --> 00:39:56.833
(Eerie music)
688
00:40:15.700 --> 00:40:17.967
Dylan and I headed out
to the town of Carnation,
689
00:40:17.967 --> 00:40:19.700
Just outside of Seattle.
690
00:40:20.633 --> 00:40:22.733
Kurt and Courtney
owned two cabins there,
691
00:40:22.733 --> 00:40:24.833
And we were curious to see if
there had been any evidence
692
00:40:24.833 --> 00:40:27.000
Of Kurt being there.
693
00:40:28.670 --> 00:40:32.330
We got about halfway there
when we stopped to get gas,
694
00:40:32.330 --> 00:40:34.200
And Dylan made
another phone call.
695
00:40:34.200 --> 00:40:39.200
(Ominous music)
696
00:40:45.667 --> 00:40:47.600
[Voiceover] I got a phone
call from our electrician,
697
00:40:47.600 --> 00:40:52.500
Gary Smith, and he was doing
some security lighting.
698
00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:53.933
We had a house above.
699
00:40:53.933 --> 00:40:55.767
We just knew it was a
rock star in Seattle,
700
00:40:55.767 --> 00:40:58.333
We weren't sure,
didn't know who he was.
701
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.733
He literally just
stumbled across it.
702
00:41:05.767 --> 00:41:08.670
He looked through a
doorway, a glass door,
703
00:41:08.670 --> 00:41:11.867
A locked door,
and he saw a body.
704
00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:19.670
And he said, "I think
he shot himself."
705
00:41:19.670 --> 00:41:21.633
I called a radio station,
told 'em what happened.
706
00:41:21.633 --> 00:41:23.900
[Voiceover] So I answered
the call and there's a guy
707
00:41:23.900 --> 00:41:26.533
On the end of the line,
and he's goin', "I have got"
708
00:41:26.533 --> 00:41:28.800
"Some incredible news here."
709
00:41:29.733 --> 00:41:31.200
[Tom] Anything?
710
00:41:34.367 --> 00:41:36.533
A friend of mine said he
just heard they found a body
711
00:41:36.533 --> 00:41:38.700
At Kurt's house.
712
00:41:38.700 --> 00:41:40.167
[Tom] What?
713
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.533
[Voiceover] Rock
group Nirvana is dead.
714
00:41:47.533 --> 00:41:49.200
An electrician
discovered Cobain's body
715
00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:51.867
In the singer's Lake
Washington home this morning.
716
00:41:51.867 --> 00:41:54.267
The electrician tells KOMO
news that emergency crews
717
00:41:54.267 --> 00:41:56.800
Told him that the dead
man is Kurt Cobain.
718
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:58.267
[Tom] When I heard
that the body was found
719
00:41:58.267 --> 00:42:00.967
In a room that was called
the Greenhouse, I turned
720
00:42:00.967 --> 00:42:04.333
To Dylan and I said,
"What's the Greenhouse?"
721
00:42:04.333 --> 00:42:06.400
And he said, "It's just
a dirty little room"
722
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:07.633
"Above the garage."
723
00:42:07.633 --> 00:42:09.767
They stored lumber or
something in there.
724
00:42:09.767 --> 00:42:11.533
It sounded to me
like this was just
725
00:42:11.533 --> 00:42:13.600
Some kinda broom
closet or something.
726
00:42:13.600 --> 00:42:14.800
[Voiceover] So do you
think he intentionally
727
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.670
Did not tell you to
check that room out?
728
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:19.700
[Tom] Again, I hope the
listeners bear in mind
729
00:42:19.700 --> 00:42:21.933
We're having to skip over
an awful lotta stuff...
730
00:42:21.933 --> 00:42:26.670
(Eerie music)
731
00:42:26.670 --> 00:42:28.670
I glanced down on
the floor and I saw
732
00:42:28.670 --> 00:42:29.967
Something that looked
like a mannequin.
733
00:42:31.500 --> 00:42:34.670
I can see blood in this
ear, and long hair,
734
00:42:34.670 --> 00:42:37.633
And immediately got
a little shaken.
735
00:42:42.133 --> 00:42:44.670
The French doors were locked.
736
00:42:45.667 --> 00:42:47.967
I was first in and
right away could see
737
00:42:47.967 --> 00:42:50.200
That it was a fatality.
738
00:42:53.100 --> 00:42:55.133
The shotgun lay in his lap,
a significant pool of blood
739
00:42:55.133 --> 00:42:56.767
By his head.
740
00:42:56.767 --> 00:42:58.670
There was nothing
we could do for him,
741
00:42:58.670 --> 00:43:00.670
So we didn't touch the body.
742
00:43:01.133 --> 00:43:04.500
We'll check for mail or
somethin' with a name on it.
743
00:43:06.700 --> 00:43:08.500
The officer said, "Do
you want the name?"
744
00:43:08.500 --> 00:43:10.400
Knowing I needed
it for my log book.
745
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.367
He said, "It's
Cobain, Kurt Cobain."
746
00:43:14.167 --> 00:43:16.670
A couple of second delay
and my head snappin' around,
747
00:43:16.670 --> 00:43:19.670
I said, "You mean
the rock star?"
748
00:43:20.670 --> 00:43:22.600
[Voiceover] The developing
story shocks the music world.
749
00:43:22.600 --> 00:43:25.767
A man found dead this morning
is rock star Kurt Cobain.
750
00:43:25.767 --> 00:43:27.800
[Voiceover] Cobain's
body was found about a...
751
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:29.233
[Voiceover] Apparently
it was a suicide...
752
00:43:29.233 --> 00:43:34.167
(Various voiceovers
speaking simultaneously)
753
00:43:38.467 --> 00:43:39.767
[Voiceover] Was so severe
that his body could only
754
00:43:39.767 --> 00:43:41.833
Be identified by fingerprints.
755
00:43:41.833 --> 00:43:43.400
[Voiceover] Police can't
release the details found
756
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.100
In Cobain's suicide note,
but over the past couple
757
00:43:46.100 --> 00:43:49.133
Of years, Cobain has
had some tough times.
758
00:43:49.133 --> 00:43:50.867
Cobain was 27.
759
00:43:50.867 --> 00:43:54.300
He joins a growing list of
rock stars who burn bright
760
00:43:54.300 --> 00:43:56.633
Then burn out tragically.
761
00:43:57.200 --> 00:43:59.670
[Tom] When we
arrived at the property
762
00:43:59.670 --> 00:44:01.500
It was broad daylight and
the Greenhouse stuck out
763
00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:02.933
Like a sore thumb.
764
00:44:02.933 --> 00:44:05.670
You could see it from the
street above the bushes,
765
00:44:05.670 --> 00:44:06.467
It was so tall.
766
00:44:06.467 --> 00:44:10.733
I just didn't understand why
he didn't point that out to me.
767
00:44:13.133 --> 00:44:14.733
[Dylan] That's
Entertainment Tonight.
768
00:44:15.333 --> 00:44:16.767
He's Rolling Stone.
769
00:44:16.767 --> 00:44:19.100
Dylan didn't like the
press and he said Kurt didn't
770
00:44:19.100 --> 00:44:20.600
Like the press.
771
00:44:20.600 --> 00:44:22.867
[Dylan] Current Affairs;
stay away from them.
772
00:44:23.433 --> 00:44:24.567
[Officer] Ho ho ho.
773
00:44:24.567 --> 00:44:25.567
[Tom] I'm Tom
Grant, how are you?
774
00:44:25.567 --> 00:44:26.933
[Officer] Fine.
775
00:44:26.933 --> 00:44:29.333
[Tom] I was hired by
Courtney Love to investigate
776
00:44:29.333 --> 00:44:30.867
The disappearance
of her husband.
777
00:44:30.867 --> 00:44:33.600
I've got information I
think would be helpful.
778
00:44:33.600 --> 00:44:36.567
Could I speak to the
detective in charge?
779
00:44:37.200 --> 00:44:38.670
Wait here.
780
00:44:38.670 --> 00:44:43.670
(Eerie music)
781
00:44:50.567 --> 00:44:52.567
He said he's too busy
to speak with you now.
782
00:44:52.567 --> 00:44:55.567
Call the station after 3PM;
you can talk to him then.
783
00:44:55.567 --> 00:44:57.567
I was dumbfounded by that.
784
00:44:57.567 --> 00:45:00.933
If I were a police officer
investigating the dead body
785
00:45:00.933 --> 00:45:03.867
And somebody told me
there was somebody outside
786
00:45:03.867 --> 00:45:06.200
That had been in the
house the night before,
787
00:45:06.200 --> 00:45:08.167
I'd tell them, "Hold him."
788
00:45:08.167 --> 00:45:10.867
"If they say they need
to leave, handcuff 'em,"
789
00:45:10.867 --> 00:45:13.667
"And keep 'em there until we
get a chance to talk to 'em."
790
00:45:13.667 --> 00:45:15.300
You don't let
somebody like that go,
791
00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:18.667
You don't take a chance until
you've fully investigated
792
00:45:18.667 --> 00:45:23.467
A case and determined
positively how this person died.
793
00:45:23.467 --> 00:45:24.900
The Seattle Police
Department claimed
794
00:45:24.900 --> 00:45:28.100
They were investigating
this as a possible homicide.
795
00:45:28.100 --> 00:45:30.500
If they were, they certainly
wouldn't allow somebody
796
00:45:30.500 --> 00:45:33.200
To leave when they'd been
in the house the night
797
00:45:33.200 --> 00:45:36.333
Before a dead body was
found on the property.
798
00:45:36.867 --> 00:45:38.670
I'm Norm Stamper.
799
00:45:38.670 --> 00:45:40.733
I was a police
officer for 34 years,
800
00:45:40.733 --> 00:45:45.733
And last six from 1994 to 2000
as Seattle's police chief.
801
00:45:45.900 --> 00:45:48.900
I wouldn't pretend that
there aren't police officers
802
00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:53.100
Who are cynical and
suspicious and skeptical.
803
00:45:53.100 --> 00:45:57.100
That was the case in
the Kurt Cobain death.
804
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:03.670
(Eerie music)
805
00:46:03.670 --> 00:46:04.800
John F. Kennedy,
Martin Luther King,
806
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.533
Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe.
807
00:46:07.533 --> 00:46:09.867
Over the past 50 years as a
808
00:46:09.867 --> 00:46:12.167
Medical-legal forensic
pathology consultant,
809
00:46:12.167 --> 00:46:15.670
I've been involved in
thousands of cases,
810
00:46:15.670 --> 00:46:17.833
About 18,000 autopsies,
and I have reviewed,
811
00:46:17.833 --> 00:46:20.867
Signed off or
supervised, and evaluated
812
00:46:20.867 --> 00:46:23.600
About 38,000 other autopsies.
813
00:46:23.600 --> 00:46:25.600
I have personally
investigated, supervised,
814
00:46:25.600 --> 00:46:28.433
Consulted and researched
on over 8,000 homicides.
815
00:46:28.433 --> 00:46:30.900
I wrote Practical Homicide
Investigation because there was
816
00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:35.433
A need for a standard protocol
to approach all death scenes.
817
00:46:35.433 --> 00:46:38.533
From the very beginning,
everything that the detectives
818
00:46:38.533 --> 00:46:42.633
Encountered indicated to
them that this was a suicide.
819
00:46:42.633 --> 00:46:47.600
The decision to rule the
case by police the same day
820
00:46:47.600 --> 00:46:49.967
And to make a public
pronouncement that this was
821
00:46:49.967 --> 00:46:54.333
A suicide is not the
way good police agencies
822
00:46:54.333 --> 00:46:55.767
Would function today.
823
00:46:55.767 --> 00:46:57.267
As a homicide commander,
824
00:46:57.267 --> 00:46:59.670
I would not be making
any proclamations
825
00:46:59.670 --> 00:47:02.300
That the case was a suicide
without the evidence
826
00:47:02.300 --> 00:47:04.300
Having been processed:
the victimology,
827
00:47:04.300 --> 00:47:06.833
The medical-legal
process, toxicology.
828
00:47:06.833 --> 00:47:08.233
It's a death investigation.
829
00:47:08.233 --> 00:47:10.700
They knew nothing
about the drug level,
830
00:47:10.700 --> 00:47:13.670
They knew nothing
about fingerprints,
831
00:47:13.670 --> 00:47:15.670
They knew nothing about
anything else at that time
832
00:47:15.670 --> 00:47:17.300
Except that they had
found him with a shotgun.
833
00:47:17.300 --> 00:47:19.700
The reason we call things
death investigations is
834
00:47:19.700 --> 00:47:21.933
That we don't wanna
prematurely make them
835
00:47:21.933 --> 00:47:24.670
Homicides, suicides
or accidents.
836
00:47:24.670 --> 00:47:25.700
It's a death investigation.
837
00:47:25.700 --> 00:47:29.600
Cases that involve
prominent figures,
838
00:47:29.600 --> 00:47:34.367
These cases usually take
more time because you know
839
00:47:34.367 --> 00:47:36.233
That there are gonna
be more questions.
840
00:47:36.233 --> 00:47:37.833
People are gonna wanna
know every single
841
00:47:37.833 --> 00:47:38.967
Thing about it.
842
00:47:38.967 --> 00:47:40.667
In the Philip
Seymour Hoffman case,
843
00:47:40.667 --> 00:47:43.200
They found him with
a needle in his arm.
844
00:47:43.200 --> 00:47:46.300
They found 50 bags
of heroin right there
845
00:47:46.300 --> 00:47:48.367
In his apartment, and
yet they did not make
846
00:47:48.367 --> 00:47:50.267
Any announcement beyond that.
847
00:47:50.267 --> 00:47:52.567
They knew that they
should not be commenting.
848
00:47:52.567 --> 00:47:55.467
Official statements as to
cause and manner of death
849
00:47:55.467 --> 00:47:58.867
Do not come from police or
even homicide detectives.
850
00:47:58.867 --> 00:48:00.567
They do not.
851
00:48:03.167 --> 00:48:05.767
I've never believed that
the police were involved
852
00:48:05.767 --> 00:48:09.167
From the beginning in
any kind of a conspiracy
853
00:48:09.167 --> 00:48:11.633
Involving Kurt Cobain's death.
854
00:48:11.633 --> 00:48:14.333
I think they were set
up by Courtney Love
855
00:48:14.333 --> 00:48:16.267
From that missing
person's report,
856
00:48:16.267 --> 00:48:18.300
And everything
that it said in it.
857
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:22.367
If my officers heard
or were made aware
858
00:48:22.367 --> 00:48:25.800
That Kurt Cobain had
left rehab, had purchased
859
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.567
A shotgun, was suicidal,
that's of course going
860
00:48:29.567 --> 00:48:30.933
To affect them.
861
00:48:30.933 --> 00:48:33.900
They, what I call assumed
the suicide position,
862
00:48:33.900 --> 00:48:36.670
Which to me means cut
corners, not do this,
863
00:48:36.670 --> 00:48:39.670
Not do that, because it's
a suicide, no problem.
864
00:48:39.670 --> 00:48:41.670
I have to admit, there's
been a lot of inconsistencies
865
00:48:41.670 --> 00:48:42.333
In this case.
866
00:48:42.333 --> 00:48:43.867
Really?
867
00:48:43.867 --> 00:48:46.200
The reports that were
coming out in the media said
868
00:48:46.200 --> 00:48:49.567
Kurt Cobain was barricaded
inside the Greenhouse.
869
00:48:49.567 --> 00:48:51.400
Look at this photograph.
870
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.433
Is that the lock
you're talking about?
871
00:48:54.133 --> 00:48:55.500
I dunno where
this picture's from,
872
00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:57.467
So I couldn't say.
873
00:48:57.467 --> 00:48:59.133
Well, it's from
the Greenhouse.
874
00:48:59.133 --> 00:49:01.167
I've been over the
place inside and out,
875
00:49:01.167 --> 00:49:03.700
And trust me, that
is the only lock.
876
00:49:03.700 --> 00:49:05.670
If you say so.
877
00:49:05.900 --> 00:49:08.133
Presuming I'm
telling you the truth,
878
00:49:08.133 --> 00:49:10.400
Why would you say that
he locked himself in?
879
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:13.833
Because the door was locked.
880
00:49:13.833 --> 00:49:15.670
Look at the picture.
881
00:49:15.670 --> 00:49:17.670
It's not a deadbolt,
it's a twist lock.
882
00:49:17.670 --> 00:49:19.400
Anybody coulda twisted that
lock and pulled the door shut
883
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:20.667
Behind 'em when they left.
884
00:49:20.667 --> 00:49:22.367
Look, the lock doesn't matter.
885
00:49:22.367 --> 00:49:24.900
There was a stool wedged
up against the door.
886
00:49:24.900 --> 00:49:26.233
Now how do you wedge
a stool against a door
887
00:49:26.233 --> 00:49:27.700
After you've already
left the room?
888
00:49:27.700 --> 00:49:30.500
[Tom] The police reports
plainly states that the stool
889
00:49:30.500 --> 00:49:33.200
Was simply sitting in
front of the two unlocked
890
00:49:33.200 --> 00:49:36.100
French doors at the
other side of the room,
891
00:49:36.100 --> 00:49:39.670
But on one of the reports,
it was added that the stool
892
00:49:39.670 --> 00:49:41.633
Was blocking the entrance.
893
00:49:43.133 --> 00:49:44.600
Someone reported
that there was a stool
894
00:49:44.600 --> 00:49:45.633
Blocking the door.
895
00:49:45.633 --> 00:49:46.567
That wasn't the case.
896
00:49:46.567 --> 00:49:48.167
I dunno where that came from.
897
00:49:48.167 --> 00:49:49.733
If you could just
show me the photographs
898
00:49:49.733 --> 00:49:52.200
Your officer took at the
scene, we can put that issue
899
00:49:52.200 --> 00:49:53.433
To rest once and for all.
900
00:49:53.433 --> 00:49:55.600
Well the photographs
haven't been developed,
901
00:49:55.600 --> 00:49:57.667
Probably never will be.
902
00:49:57.667 --> 00:50:01.367
We don't develop
photographs on suicides.
903
00:50:02.233 --> 00:50:03.600
I have never heard of that.
904
00:50:03.600 --> 00:50:05.433
Every case I've been
involved, with the crime scene
905
00:50:05.433 --> 00:50:06.733
Photographs were developed.
906
00:50:06.733 --> 00:50:08.533
Why not release 'em
to other experts?
907
00:50:08.533 --> 00:50:10.000
I can't answer that question.
908
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.567
It was something that the
Seattle Police department did.
909
00:50:13.567 --> 00:50:16.267
In hindsight, they
probably shouldn't have.
910
00:50:16.267 --> 00:50:17.867
But that's what they did.
911
00:50:17.867 --> 00:50:20.500
Nothing you've said
convinces me this is anything
912
00:50:20.500 --> 00:50:22.333
But a suicide.
913
00:50:22.933 --> 00:50:25.467
Now do you got any
other pearls for me?
914
00:50:27.100 --> 00:50:28.600
[Tom] Not at this time.
915
00:50:29.300 --> 00:50:32.367
Detective Cameron
resigned when he learned
916
00:50:32.367 --> 00:50:34.400
I was preparing to fire him.
917
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:37.333
He had colluded with one
of his own detectives
918
00:50:37.333 --> 00:50:41.330
To replant evidence
that had been stolen
919
00:50:41.330 --> 00:50:45.670
By a homicide detective
at a homicide scene.
920
00:50:45.670 --> 00:50:47.670
And it was for that reason
that I was preparing
921
00:50:47.670 --> 00:50:48.700
To fire him.
922
00:50:56.233 --> 00:50:57.667
I'm just giving you
the information I have,
923
00:50:57.667 --> 00:51:00.100
I don't care what
you do with it.
924
00:51:00.467 --> 00:51:03.633
I understand that, but
I think your investigation
925
00:51:03.633 --> 00:51:06.900
Is into things that our
investigation doesn't apply to.
926
00:51:21.670 --> 00:51:23.670
You don't allow
a patrol officer
927
00:51:23.670 --> 00:51:26.670
With no homicide
investigative experience
928
00:51:26.670 --> 00:51:28.733
To determine whether a
scene is a suicide or not.
929
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.400
My opinion is, in 1994,
930
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.300
They just didn't
look at anything.
931
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:42.467
If it appeared to be a
suicide, it was a suicide.
932
00:51:42.467 --> 00:51:44.267
Case closed.
933
00:51:45.467 --> 00:51:50.467
(Somber music)
934
00:52:19.100 --> 00:52:22.167
The news media do
poison the atmosphere,
935
00:52:22.167 --> 00:52:24.333
And I have been involved
in cases in which
936
00:52:24.333 --> 00:52:28.833
It was impossible, almost,
to overcome the beliefs
937
00:52:28.833 --> 00:52:31.467
That had been created
within the community
938
00:52:31.467 --> 00:52:34.267
Because of the way in
which that particular death
939
00:52:34.267 --> 00:52:35.467
Had been reported.
940
00:52:35.467 --> 00:52:36.800
Judging by the
evidence at the scene,
941
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:38.900
Love says, Cobain
apparently drew a chair up
942
00:52:38.900 --> 00:52:41.733
To a window looking out
on Puget Sound, sat down,
943
00:52:41.733 --> 00:52:43.767
Took some more drugs,
picked up his shotgun and,
944
00:52:43.767 --> 00:52:46.433
Using his thumb, it seems,
shot himself in the head.
945
00:52:46.433 --> 00:52:48.267
The physical damage was so
severe that his body could
946
00:52:48.267 --> 00:52:50.600
Only be identified
by fingerprints.
947
00:52:50.600 --> 00:52:51.933
I was a bit surprised.
948
00:52:51.933 --> 00:52:53.567
Normally a shotgun
wound to the head,
949
00:52:53.567 --> 00:52:55.467
The ones I've seen,
are pretty devastating,
950
00:52:55.467 --> 00:52:57.933
Often making facial
features unrecognizable.
951
00:52:57.933 --> 00:53:00.867
His head was not grossly
deformed or badly damaged.
952
00:53:00.867 --> 00:53:03.100
I think I certainly
would've recognized him.
953
00:53:03.100 --> 00:53:05.670
I don't see any reason
why anyone wouldn't have,
954
00:53:05.670 --> 00:53:06.467
Who knew what he looked like.
955
00:53:06.467 --> 00:53:08.433
Seattle's own police
reports indicate
956
00:53:08.433 --> 00:53:12.133
That Officer Lavendowski
found Kurt Cobain's wallet
957
00:53:12.133 --> 00:53:14.670
Lyin' on the floor.
958
00:53:14.670 --> 00:53:17.433
He opened it up and removed
his driver's license,
959
00:53:17.433 --> 00:53:20.670
And he put it on top
of Cobain's wallet
960
00:53:20.670 --> 00:53:22.433
To take a photograph
for evidence.
961
00:53:22.433 --> 00:53:25.670
Most of the media
reported that Kurt left
962
00:53:25.670 --> 00:53:27.833
His driver's license exposed,
and a lot of 'em went
963
00:53:27.833 --> 00:53:29.467
Into a lotta detail:
964
00:53:29.467 --> 00:53:32.433
That he did that so that
everyone would recognize him.
965
00:53:32.433 --> 00:53:34.600
But it was completely false.
966
00:54:09.167 --> 00:54:11.267
Love, who, contrary to
rumor, says she and Cobain
967
00:54:11.267 --> 00:54:14.100
Hadn't broken up, says
Cobain had first written
968
00:54:14.100 --> 00:54:16.633
A suicide note to her
which said, in part,
969
00:54:16.633 --> 00:54:18.533
"It's not fun for me anymore."
970
00:54:18.533 --> 00:54:20.167
"I can't live this life."
971
00:54:20.167 --> 00:54:23.333
News media play a great
role in these matters.
972
00:54:23.333 --> 00:54:25.500
John Kennedy,
incidentally, pointed out
973
00:54:25.500 --> 00:54:28.700
The need for integrity
within the news media.
974
00:54:28.700 --> 00:54:30.200
This has been something
that was commented
975
00:54:30.200 --> 00:54:33.633
Upon going back to
our founding fathers,
976
00:54:33.633 --> 00:54:36.267
Because sometimes
pressures from news media
977
00:54:36.267 --> 00:54:39.267
Can be very, very significant.
978
00:54:39.267 --> 00:54:41.433
I don't have the
right to make an opinion
979
00:54:41.433 --> 00:54:44.300
On anything that I read
or see on television
980
00:54:44.300 --> 00:54:48.670
Until I go to the fuckin'
source myself, personally.
981
00:54:51.600 --> 00:54:54.900
The toxicology report
from Kurt Cobain's autopsy
982
00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:59.867
Indicated a heroin blood level
of 1.52 milligrams per liter.
983
00:54:59.867 --> 00:55:02.967
Five milligrams
will produce a level
984
00:55:02.967 --> 00:55:06.600
Of 0.035 milligrams.
985
00:55:06.600 --> 00:55:09.670
Most users, even heavy users,
986
00:55:09.670 --> 00:55:12.967
Only use up to 40 to 60
milligrams in one hit.
987
00:55:12.967 --> 00:55:17.333
So you can see, to reach
1.52 milligrams per liter,
988
00:55:17.333 --> 00:55:19.767
You're talking about an
amount that would have
989
00:55:19.767 --> 00:55:24.767
Certainly have exceeded 200
milligrams that were injected
990
00:55:24.867 --> 00:55:26.533
Into Kurt Cobain.
991
00:55:26.533 --> 00:55:29.533
Three times the amount that
would be considered lethal.
992
00:55:29.533 --> 00:55:32.467
I think very legitimate
questions have been raised
993
00:55:32.467 --> 00:55:34.670
About the level of heroin.
994
00:55:34.670 --> 00:55:37.733
We have not, in 18
years, found a single case
995
00:55:37.733 --> 00:55:41.633
Where somebody could
have the level of heroin
996
00:55:41.633 --> 00:55:45.967
In their body that Kurt did
and still remain conscious.
997
00:55:45.967 --> 00:55:47.333
[Voiceover] 70
times the lethal dose
998
00:55:47.333 --> 00:55:49.833
For the average person,
triple the lethal dose
999
00:55:49.833 --> 00:55:51.667
Even for the most
severe heroin addict.
1000
00:55:51.667 --> 00:55:53.100
It would have incapacitated him,
1001
00:55:53.100 --> 00:55:54.700
He would have been unconscious.
1002
00:55:54.700 --> 00:55:57.267
And then roll down
their sleeves, put
away their heroin kit,
1003
00:55:57.267 --> 00:55:59.133
Pick up the shotgun,
position it backwards
1004
00:55:59.133 --> 00:56:00.967
And pull the trigger.
1005
00:56:01.633 --> 00:56:04.233
That deals with
coordinative functions.
1006
00:56:04.233 --> 00:56:07.600
How about the emotional
aspects of this?
1007
00:56:07.600 --> 00:56:11.433
Why would he then shoot
himself before the drug
1008
00:56:11.433 --> 00:56:14.433
Has had a chance to take effect?
1009
00:56:14.500 --> 00:56:18.833
No study that I know
of has correlated use
1010
00:56:18.833 --> 00:56:21.967
Of heroin with suicide.
1011
00:56:21.967 --> 00:56:25.833
I cannot think of a case
in which I have had someone
1012
00:56:25.833 --> 00:56:29.700
Inject himself with a
large amount of heroin
1013
00:56:29.700 --> 00:56:32.200
And then proceed
to kill himself.
1014
00:56:32.200 --> 00:56:35.200
It just doesn't make sense,
and it doesn't fit in
1015
00:56:35.200 --> 00:56:38.600
With these kinds of
situations involving heroin.
1016
00:56:38.600 --> 00:56:41.533
These are questions that
I think deserve answers,
1017
00:56:41.533 --> 00:56:43.400
And in fact, require answers.
1018
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:46.767
Many of the questions
could be answered
1019
00:56:46.767 --> 00:56:51.670
If the medical examiner's
office would make public
1020
00:56:51.670 --> 00:56:53.670
The autopsy report.
1021
00:56:53.670 --> 00:56:56.133
I haven't been able to
see the toxicology report
1022
00:56:56.133 --> 00:57:00.100
Or the autopsy report
because I haven't had access
1023
00:57:00.100 --> 00:57:03.867
To review the actual
documentation from
the authorities.
1024
00:57:03.867 --> 00:57:06.900
The autopsy report
is public record.
1025
00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:10.867
Apparently in this
jurisdiction, it is not.
1026
00:57:10.867 --> 00:57:13.867
In the case of Kurt Cobain,
they should've made them part
1027
00:57:13.867 --> 00:57:16.100
Of the release with the
Freedom of Information.
1028
00:57:16.100 --> 00:57:17.367
Why they didn't
do that, I dunno.
1029
00:57:17.367 --> 00:57:19.467
In hindsight, maybe
they should've.
1030
00:57:19.467 --> 00:57:21.833
We wouldn't be having
this discussion today.
1031
00:57:23.500 --> 00:57:27.467
There was a documentary
made about 1997, I believe,
1032
00:57:27.467 --> 00:57:29.670
Called "Kurt and Courtney."
1033
00:57:29.670 --> 00:57:31.933
I cooperated with the
producer and director of that,
1034
00:57:31.933 --> 00:57:33.533
Nick Broomfield.
1035
00:57:34.233 --> 00:57:37.670
[Voiceover] Tom Grant's
assertion that 1.52 milligrams
1036
00:57:37.670 --> 00:57:40.670
Of heroin per liter of blood
would have incapacitated
1037
00:57:40.670 --> 00:57:43.567
Kurt were discounted
by Doctor Colin Brewer,
1038
00:57:43.567 --> 00:57:46.633
Formerly director at
Westminster Hospital.
1039
00:57:46.633 --> 00:57:49.567
He gave us this color slide
of a patient balancing easily
1040
00:57:49.567 --> 00:57:52.670
On one leg, who had
taken the equivalent
1041
00:57:52.670 --> 00:57:55.670
Of over twice the
amount taken by Kurt.
1042
00:57:55.670 --> 00:57:58.167
The problem is that this
man had taken methadone,
1043
00:57:58.167 --> 00:58:02.670
Not heroin, and he had
swallowed the methadone.
1044
00:58:02.670 --> 00:58:04.733
Methadone is a
pain medication.
1045
00:58:04.733 --> 00:58:07.267
It's also used to
treat heroin addiction,
1046
00:58:07.267 --> 00:58:10.733
And because it's taken orally,
it 's absorbed much slower.
1047
00:58:10.733 --> 00:58:13.933
It takes time to get into
the blood, so it can take
1048
00:58:13.933 --> 00:58:16.400
Up to an hour or perhaps
two before it reaches
1049
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:19.233
Its highest concentrations.
1050
00:58:19.233 --> 00:58:23.133
Heroin, on the other hand,
injected directly into the vein,
1051
00:58:23.133 --> 00:58:26.267
Is immediately available
to circulation,
1052
00:58:26.267 --> 00:58:28.233
Immediately available
to the brain.
1053
00:58:28.233 --> 00:58:33.200
Comparing oral methadone
to intravenous heroin.
1054
00:58:33.767 --> 00:58:37.670
What's the trade expression,
apples and oranges?
1055
00:58:37.670 --> 00:58:38.833
It's much worse than
apples and oranges.
1056
00:58:38.833 --> 00:58:41.700
It might be peaches and
asparagus that you're comparing.
1057
00:58:41.700 --> 00:58:44.600
I'm surely amazed that a
competent forensic scientist
1058
00:58:44.600 --> 00:58:47.833
Would have made that
kind of comparison.
1059
00:58:47.833 --> 00:58:52.833
(Eerie music)
1060
00:58:53.533 --> 00:58:55.100
[Voiceover] Seattle
police reports indicate
1061
00:58:55.100 --> 00:58:59.670
That Kurt Cobain was found
with a shotgun upside down,
1062
00:58:59.670 --> 00:59:01.670
With his left hand
grasping the barrel
1063
00:59:01.670 --> 00:59:04.233
In a vise-like grip, known
as a cadaveric spasm.
1064
00:59:05.233 --> 00:59:08.670
Cadaveric spasm is a form
of muscular stiffening
1065
00:59:08.670 --> 00:59:10.467
That only occurs in death.
1066
00:59:10.467 --> 00:59:14.133
This occurrence is indispensable
to forensic investigation,
1067
00:59:14.133 --> 00:59:17.633
As it clearly shows the precise
orientation of the deceased
1068
00:59:17.633 --> 00:59:20.133
At the exact moment of death;
1069
00:59:20.133 --> 00:59:22.167
In this case, Cobain's left hand
1070
00:59:22.167 --> 00:59:25.667
Gripping the barrel upside
down, as he was found.
1071
00:59:25.667 --> 00:59:27.133
(Camera shutter)
1072
00:59:27.133 --> 00:59:29.867
This all seemed straightforward,
until you take into account
1073
00:59:29.867 --> 00:59:33.200
The shotgun shell was found
to Cobain's left side,
1074
00:59:33.200 --> 00:59:36.670
Opposite of where we'd
expect to find the shell:
1075
00:59:36.670 --> 00:59:39.670
On Cobain's right side.
1076
00:59:39.670 --> 00:59:42.433
The exit chamber is clearly
on Cobain's right side
1077
00:59:42.433 --> 00:59:45.400
If it was fired upside
down, as it was found,
1078
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.167
And as the cadaveric
spasm confirms
1079
00:59:49.167 --> 00:59:51.800
Seattle P.D. explained
the illogical trajectory
1080
00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:54.467
Of the shotgun shell by
concluding that the shotgun
1081
00:59:54.467 --> 00:59:57.670
Was fired right
side up by Cobain,
1082
00:59:57.670 --> 01:00:00.167
The shotgun flipped upside
down, expelling the shell
1083
01:00:00.167 --> 01:00:02.867
To his left, to finally
rest in the position
1084
01:00:02.867 --> 01:00:04.500
That it was found.
1085
01:00:04.500 --> 01:00:07.467
This proposed scenario
is impossible, not only
1086
01:00:07.467 --> 01:00:10.767
Because shotguns do not
flip upside down when fired;
1087
01:00:10.767 --> 01:00:13.133
It completely ignores
the cadaveric spasm
1088
01:00:13.133 --> 01:00:16.800
That locks the grip, dictating
the precise orientation
1089
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:18.967
Of the shotgun when fired.
1090
01:00:18.967 --> 01:00:22.400
In order for the scenario the
Seattle police stated occurred
1091
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.000
Cobain's wrist would
have to bend at an angle
1092
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:28.330
That is anatomically impossible.
1093
01:00:28.330 --> 01:00:31.433
The cadaveric spasm shows
the precise orientation
1094
01:00:31.433 --> 01:00:34.933
Of Cobain's hand at the
exact moment of death.
1095
01:00:34.933 --> 01:00:37.800
The only way that the shell
could end up in the opposite
1096
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:41.433
Side of the room is if,
when the shell was expelled,
1097
01:00:41.433 --> 01:00:44.000
Hit an obstruction on
Cobain's right side
1098
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:47.800
And ricocheted to Cobain's left
side, to land on the jacket.
1099
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:52.000
The crime scene clearly shows
there was no such obstruction,
1100
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.433
Which then puts into question
if Cobain truly was alone
1101
01:00:55.433 --> 01:00:58.767
In the Greenhouse when
the trigger was pulled.
1102
01:00:59.567 --> 01:01:02.670
[Rosemary] Kurt
was not suicidal.
1103
01:01:02.567 --> 01:01:03.900
Have you been watchin' TV?
1104
01:01:03.900 --> 01:01:05.670
Readin' the paper?
1105
01:01:05.670 --> 01:01:06.500
They're all saying
that he's been suicidal
1106
01:01:06.500 --> 01:01:08.467
For a long time, and Courtney
said that this overdose,
1107
01:01:08.467 --> 01:01:09.800
The one that was
in Rome, she said
1108
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:11.233
That was a suicide attempt.
1109
01:01:11.233 --> 01:01:12.533
That's not true.
1110
01:01:12.533 --> 01:01:14.533
It was Rosemary
Carroll's involvement
1111
01:01:14.533 --> 01:01:17.300
That really pushed me
forward, because if somebody
1112
01:01:17.300 --> 01:01:20.833
In Rosemary Carroll's
position was telling me
1113
01:01:20.833 --> 01:01:23.200
The things she was telling me,
1114
01:01:23.200 --> 01:01:27.167
Then I wasn't off
base, I wasn't crazy,
1115
01:01:27.167 --> 01:01:28.667
I wasn't a lunatic.
1116
01:01:28.667 --> 01:01:30.200
She called me a
couple of weeks ago,
1117
01:01:30.200 --> 01:01:32.600
Said Kurt was leaving her and
asked me to find the meanest,
1118
01:01:32.600 --> 01:01:35.133
Most vicious divorce
lawyer I could find.
1119
01:01:35.133 --> 01:01:36.333
She even asked me
if there was any way
1120
01:01:36.333 --> 01:01:37.633
To avoid their prenup.
1121
01:01:37.633 --> 01:01:39.100
And she said about
that same time,
1122
01:01:39.100 --> 01:01:41.867
Kurt had called her also
and asked her if she could
1123
01:01:41.867 --> 01:01:44.433
Have Courtney's name
taken outta the will.
1124
01:01:44.433 --> 01:01:49.433
(Eerie music)
1125
01:02:00.300 --> 01:02:02.367
Does it seem strange
that Courtney didn't go
1126
01:02:02.367 --> 01:02:04.633
Up to Seattle, not even
once, to look for him?
1127
01:02:04.633 --> 01:02:06.433
Absolutely.
1128
01:02:07.167 --> 01:02:09.167
When I offered to go up,
she said she couldn't go
1129
01:02:09.167 --> 01:02:12.200
With me because she had some
business down here in L.A.
1130
01:02:12.200 --> 01:02:14.433
She didn't have
any business in L.A.
1131
01:02:14.933 --> 01:02:17.167
What I don't understand
is how you didn't see him
1132
01:02:17.167 --> 01:02:19.133
In the Greenhouse the
first night you were there.
1133
01:02:19.133 --> 01:02:20.600
Wait a minute, I didn't
even know the Greenhouse
1134
01:02:20.600 --> 01:02:22.833
Existed until the day I
heard it on the radio.
1135
01:02:22.833 --> 01:02:24.833
But Courtney told
Dylan to check it.
1136
01:02:24.833 --> 01:02:26.667
When he called Courtney at
my house Wednesday night,
1137
01:02:26.667 --> 01:02:30.670
I heard her tell him to
check the Greenhouse.
1138
01:02:39.670 --> 01:02:42.500
A lotta people mock him
for being at the house,
1139
01:02:42.500 --> 01:02:44.333
On the case, looking for Kurt.
1140
01:02:44.333 --> 01:02:47.500
Kurt was lying dead 20 feet
away and he never found him.
1141
01:02:47.500 --> 01:02:51.400
What does that say about
his abilities as a P.I?
1142
01:02:52.233 --> 01:02:54.433
I went back on a rainy night.
1143
01:02:54.433 --> 01:02:57.467
He claims it was dark and
just didn't know it was there.
1144
01:02:57.467 --> 01:02:59.767
Nobody told him, Dylan
certainly didn't tell him.
1145
01:02:59.767 --> 01:03:02.670
Dylan must have known
that it was there.
1146
01:03:02.670 --> 01:03:03.800
[Tom] Is there anywhere else?
1147
01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:05.167
No.
1148
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:08.133
[Max] So I went and tested
that, and sure enough,
1149
01:03:08.133 --> 01:03:10.670
You really couldn't see
it if you weren't looking
1150
01:03:10.670 --> 01:03:11.267
For it specifically.
1151
01:03:11.267 --> 01:03:16.267
(Eerie music)
1152
01:03:28.300 --> 01:03:30.367
I asked Courtney to see the
note when I was in Seattle,
1153
01:03:30.367 --> 01:03:31.867
And she refused.
1154
01:03:31.867 --> 01:03:33.833
Courtney apparently
had let Danny Goldberg,
1155
01:03:33.833 --> 01:03:36.400
Her husband, see the
note, but she wouldn't let
1156
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:39.200
Rosemary see it, so
that mystified her too
1157
01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:40.867
And made her more suspicious.
1158
01:03:40.867 --> 01:03:43.833
And it made me more
suspicious, too.
1159
01:03:43.833 --> 01:03:47.670
To hear Courtney's own lawyer,
1160
01:03:47.670 --> 01:03:49.733
Kurt and Courtney's
entertainment lawyer,
Rosemary Carroll,
1161
01:03:50.300 --> 01:03:53.670
The godmother of Frances Bean,
1162
01:03:53.700 --> 01:03:57.367
Somebody that knew them
better than almost anybody,
1163
01:03:58.200 --> 01:04:01.200
Telling Tom that
1164
01:04:02.670 --> 01:04:04.967
They were in the
middle of a divorce,
1165
01:04:04.967 --> 01:04:07.533
That Kurt was drawing
up a new will,
1166
01:04:08.633 --> 01:04:11.670
And most importantly,
I think the tape
1167
01:04:11.670 --> 01:04:14.600
That really had me reeling,
1168
01:04:15.500 --> 01:04:20.433
Was hearing Rosemary Carroll
looking at the suicide note
1169
01:04:20.433 --> 01:04:22.800
And immediately concluding
that it's a forgery.
1170
01:05:03.100 --> 01:05:05.500
I believe Courtney never
thought the public was gonna
1171
01:05:05.500 --> 01:05:07.400
Ever see that note.
1172
01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:09.933
If I hadn't have tricked her
out of a copy of the note,
1173
01:05:09.933 --> 01:05:11.767
They wouldn't have seen it.
1174
01:05:12.567 --> 01:05:14.367
I heard you read the
note on TV the other day
1175
01:05:14.367 --> 01:05:16.967
And I'm just a little
confused about something.
1176
01:05:17.767 --> 01:05:21.233
It sounded like the note
said, "I'm lying on the bed."
1177
01:05:21.233 --> 01:05:23.967
If Kurt was lying in the
bed when he wrote the note,
1178
01:05:23.967 --> 01:05:26.700
Why was the bed so neat when
I came here the other night?
1179
01:05:26.700 --> 01:05:29.670
It looked like nobody
had been on the bed.
1180
01:05:29.670 --> 01:05:32.670
I was lying on the bed,
recording the message
1181
01:05:32.670 --> 01:05:33.833
For Kurt's fans.
1182
01:05:33.833 --> 01:05:35.600
Are you sure
that's what you said?
1183
01:05:35.600 --> 01:05:39.100
Because I was under the
impression that Kurt was lying
1184
01:05:39.100 --> 01:05:40.233
On the bed.
1185
01:05:40.233 --> 01:05:42.733
Look, I'll show you, okay?
1186
01:05:44.233 --> 01:05:48.800
It's just a copy, but the
cops have the original.
1187
01:05:50.900 --> 01:05:55.200
I can't read this
without my glasses.
1188
01:05:55.200 --> 01:05:56.967
I'm gonna take it down, make
a copy in the fax machine.
1189
01:05:56.967 --> 01:05:58.600
I'll read it later.
1190
01:06:00.200 --> 01:06:02.433
Yeah, sure.
1191
01:06:14.867 --> 01:06:17.700
[Rosemary] That I never
thought to look at at all,
1192
01:06:17.700 --> 01:06:20.667
Quite honestly,
until last night.
1193
01:06:20.667 --> 01:06:22.633
She left it after she
came over to my house,
1194
01:06:22.633 --> 01:06:24.100
The night of the 6th.
1195
01:06:24.100 --> 01:06:26.800
Rosemary Carroll was working
with me behind the scenes,
1196
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:29.733
Privately, giving
me information.
1197
01:06:29.733 --> 01:06:32.400
She did it out of
a good conscience.
1198
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:33.667
[Rosemary] What do
you think that is?
1199
01:06:57.467 --> 01:07:02.467
(Eerie music)
1200
01:08:11.670 --> 01:08:14.667
[Courtney] (Indistinct)
conference on your phone,
1201
01:08:14.667 --> 01:08:16.700
And that way you could...
1202
01:08:16.700 --> 01:08:18.100
[Tom] You've promised
me things before,
1203
01:08:18.100 --> 01:08:20.670
And it didn't come through.
1204
01:08:21.533 --> 01:08:23.800
Almost immediately
after Kurt Cobain's death
1205
01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:26.633
Was announced in the
media, this phenomenon
1206
01:08:26.633 --> 01:08:29.467
Of copycat suicides began.
1207
01:08:29.467 --> 01:08:31.733
Kids started killing themselves:
1208
01:08:31.733 --> 01:08:34.500
Kurt Cobain fans, Nirvana fans.
1209
01:08:34.500 --> 01:08:37.670
This was happening
all around the world.
1210
01:08:37.670 --> 01:08:41.467
Now I'm a dad
myself, and it's just,
1211
01:08:42.933 --> 01:08:44.100
Absolutely breaks my heart.
1212
01:08:44.100 --> 01:08:45.900
I talk to a lotta the families.
1213
01:08:46.633 --> 01:08:50.467
When you read their suicide
notes and read their journals,
1214
01:08:50.467 --> 01:08:54.233
It really drove
home the importance
1215
01:08:55.333 --> 01:08:57.333
Of Kurt on this generation.
1216
01:08:58.670 --> 01:09:01.800
The thought of losing
a child is just horrific.
1217
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:05.100
I was relieved that I was
gonna go forward with this,
1218
01:09:05.100 --> 01:09:07.167
Because I thought,
"Maybe it'll help stop"
1219
01:09:07.167 --> 01:09:09.167
"Some of these
copycat suicides."
1220
01:09:09.167 --> 01:09:14.167
(Sad music)
1221
01:09:33.767 --> 01:09:35.300
[Tom] That would help
too, to be analyzed.
1222
01:09:35.300 --> 01:09:38.867
We could determine whether
Kurt wrote that whole thing.
1223
01:09:39.700 --> 01:09:42.300
The fact that the
handwriting looks,
1224
01:09:42.300 --> 01:09:45.500
To my untrained eye,
different at the bottom
1225
01:09:45.500 --> 01:09:48.133
Of that note than it
does during the body
1226
01:09:48.133 --> 01:09:50.533
It certainly does suggest
that putting that note
1227
01:09:50.533 --> 01:09:53.533
In the hands of a questioned
documents examiner,
1228
01:09:53.533 --> 01:09:57.700
Somebody who really understands
a lot more than we do
1229
01:09:57.700 --> 01:10:00.167
As cops, that would
be a good idea.
1230
01:10:00.167 --> 01:10:03.100
A forensic document
examiner examines documents
1231
01:10:03.100 --> 01:10:05.700
For the purposes
of authenticity.
1232
01:10:05.700 --> 01:10:08.633
I examined a handwriting
sample that was found
1233
01:10:08.633 --> 01:10:12.500
In Courtney Love's backpack,
and it was a practice sheet
1234
01:10:12.500 --> 01:10:15.833
Of different letters,
the alphabet.
1235
01:10:15.833 --> 01:10:20.500
I examined that in comparison
to the suicide note.
1236
01:10:20.500 --> 01:10:23.133
What I did find interesting
about the practice sheet is
1237
01:10:23.133 --> 01:10:26.300
That it did have
letter combinations
and specific letters
1238
01:10:26.300 --> 01:10:31.300
That are found in the bottom
portion of the suicide note.
1239
01:10:31.367 --> 01:10:34.933
It is possible that somebody
else with some skill
1240
01:10:34.933 --> 01:10:38.400
Could indeed
imitate his writing,
1241
01:10:38.400 --> 01:10:40.900
Especially those last few lines.
1242
01:10:43.500 --> 01:10:46.533
One of the, perhaps
surprising, characteristics
1243
01:10:46.533 --> 01:10:51.670
Of this note is that the
largest section of the note,
1244
01:10:51.670 --> 01:10:54.333
Or the initial part, talks so
much about his relationship
1245
01:10:54.333 --> 01:10:58.433
To music, and it's only the
very small part of the note,
1246
01:10:58.433 --> 01:11:02.467
The last four lines, that
talks about his relationship
1247
01:11:02.467 --> 01:11:04.100
To his family.
1248
01:11:04.900 --> 01:11:07.733
But there's another
linguistically interesting thing
1249
01:11:07.733 --> 01:11:12.733
About the second or final
four lines of the note,
1250
01:11:13.433 --> 01:11:18.433
And that is that that is what
most of us would consider
1251
01:11:19.670 --> 01:11:21.733
A stereotypical suicide note.
1252
01:11:22.133 --> 01:11:25.667
"I love you, someone will
be better off without me,"
1253
01:11:25.667 --> 01:11:27.467
"Keep moving forward."
1254
01:11:28.400 --> 01:11:32.167
Those are the kinds of
things we expect to find
1255
01:11:32.167 --> 01:11:36.500
In suicide notes,
or even in overkill,
1256
01:11:36.500 --> 01:11:40.967
To make it very stereotypical
so that people couldn't miss
1257
01:11:40.967 --> 01:11:42.670
What it was.
1258
01:11:42.670 --> 01:11:47.670
(Eerie music)
1259
01:11:48.567 --> 01:11:51.133
There are a lotta questions
I have for Dylan and Cali,
1260
01:11:51.133 --> 01:11:53.533
Especially Cali, who spent
more time here at the house
1261
01:11:53.533 --> 01:11:55.967
Than anybody last week.
1262
01:11:57.433 --> 01:12:00.533
Cali is, he just
left for rehab.
1263
01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:03.400
He's in El Paso, or
1264
01:12:04.567 --> 01:12:06.767
Georgia, I think.
1265
01:12:08.500 --> 01:12:11.967
No no no, he's in
L.A. with friends.
1266
01:12:15.900 --> 01:12:17.700
I'll get Dylan over here.
1267
01:12:18.767 --> 01:12:21.833
After probably a half an
hour or so, I walked out
1268
01:12:21.833 --> 01:12:24.967
And I asked, "Is Dylan here yet?"
1269
01:12:24.967 --> 01:12:27.667
"I haven't seen him," and I
just assumed that somebody
1270
01:12:27.667 --> 01:12:29.767
Would let me know
when he showed up.
1271
01:12:29.767 --> 01:12:32.333
They said, "Yeah, he's
upstairs with Courtney,"
1272
01:12:32.333 --> 01:12:33.700
Which I thought was strange.
1273
01:12:33.700 --> 01:12:35.233
He was supposed to be
coming in the house to talk
1274
01:12:35.233 --> 01:12:39.433
To me, not go upstairs and do
a pre-interview with Courtney.
1275
01:12:40.670 --> 01:12:41.500
So there's just been a
couple things that have been
1276
01:12:41.500 --> 01:12:44.100
Eating at me in the last few
weeks, and I wanted to sit here
1277
01:12:44.100 --> 01:12:46.267
And I wanted to talk
to you about them.
1278
01:12:49.100 --> 01:12:50.567
Did you just shoot up?
1279
01:12:51.233 --> 01:12:52.467
[Dylan] Hm?
1280
01:12:53.670 --> 01:12:54.633
[Tom] Did you just shoot up?
1281
01:12:56.500 --> 01:12:57.300
Yeah.
1282
01:12:57.300 --> 01:12:58.367
[Tom] What?
1283
01:12:58.367 --> 01:12:59.867
Yes.
1284
01:12:59.867 --> 01:13:01.367
Why did you do that?
1285
01:13:01.367 --> 01:13:02.267
I told you I was coming
up here, I told you we had
1286
01:13:02.267 --> 01:13:04.100
To have this conversation.
1287
01:13:04.900 --> 01:13:05.433
Dylan.
1288
01:13:05.433 --> 01:13:06.900
Hm?
1289
01:13:06.900 --> 01:13:09.100
[Tom] I told you we had
to have this conversation.
1290
01:13:09.833 --> 01:13:10.867
I'm ready.
1291
01:13:10.867 --> 01:13:12.670
[Tom] You're ready?
1292
01:13:12.670 --> 01:13:13.267
- Mm hmm.
- [Tom] You're not ready.
1293
01:13:13.267 --> 01:13:14.633
[Tom] I felt, "Why
would Courtney do this?"
1294
01:13:14.633 --> 01:13:17.300
She knew I had some serious
questions to ask him,
1295
01:13:17.300 --> 01:13:20.400
And she's sending him down
to me in a drugged state
1296
01:13:20.400 --> 01:13:23.133
Of mind, where he
could hardly talk?
1297
01:13:23.133 --> 01:13:25.300
You check the front
door or the back?
1298
01:13:25.300 --> 01:13:27.100
Did you check the front
door or the back door?
1299
01:13:27.100 --> 01:13:27.867
Yeah.
1300
01:13:27.867 --> 01:13:28.933
[Tom] Which door?
1301
01:13:28.933 --> 01:13:30.200
Both.
1302
01:13:30.200 --> 01:13:31.200
[Tom] Both doors. Did
you check the side door?
1303
01:13:31.200 --> 01:13:32.367
No.
1304
01:13:32.367 --> 01:13:33.367
[Tom] You didn't
go to the side door?
1305
01:13:33.367 --> 01:13:34.600
I don't remember.
1306
01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:35.533
[Tom] You don't remember.
1307
01:13:35.533 --> 01:13:37.167
Did you go to the Greenhouse?
1308
01:13:37.167 --> 01:13:38.333
[Dylan] No.
1309
01:13:38.333 --> 01:13:39.700
You didn't go
to the Greenhouse?
1310
01:13:39.700 --> 01:13:42.733
Dylan, Dylan, I
wanna talk about...
1311
01:13:44.100 --> 01:13:46.333
I wanna talk about
the Greenhouse.
1312
01:13:48.933 --> 01:13:50.200
Dylan.
1313
01:13:50.867 --> 01:13:52.267
Dylan was a heroin addict,
1314
01:13:52.267 --> 01:13:54.933
And he needed a
source for heroin.
1315
01:13:54.933 --> 01:13:59.267
Once Kurt Cobain was dead, his
source became Courtney Love.
1316
01:13:59.267 --> 01:14:01.967
His loyalty became
Courtney Love.
1317
01:14:02.967 --> 01:14:04.200
He was very dependent on her.
1318
01:14:04.200 --> 01:14:06.567
We've since learned
that she paid his rent
1319
01:14:06.567 --> 01:14:09.670
For many, many years,
supplied the money
1320
01:14:09.670 --> 01:14:12.567
For his heroin, and almost
everybody around Kurt.
1321
01:14:12.567 --> 01:14:13.867
They were dependent on Courtney,
1322
01:14:13.867 --> 01:14:15.767
They were dependent
on Courtney's money.
1323
01:14:19.400 --> 01:14:22.767
It's a waste of
time, waste of time.
1324
01:14:31.133 --> 01:14:34.133
I felt it was my duty
to notify my client
1325
01:14:34.133 --> 01:14:36.500
That I was starting to
dig into some directions
1326
01:14:36.500 --> 01:14:39.533
That she may not want
me to be looking into,
1327
01:14:39.533 --> 01:14:42.233
But I was determined
to do it and I thought
1328
01:14:42.233 --> 01:14:45.900
That she deserved to know
that I was going to do this.
1329
01:14:47.900 --> 01:14:50.533
She got the message,
I'm sure, from that.
1330
01:14:50.533 --> 01:14:52.967
I was insinuating
that I suspected her
1331
01:14:52.967 --> 01:14:54.833
Of being involved in this.
1332
01:14:55.667 --> 01:14:57.667
A few days after
that letter was sent,
1333
01:14:57.667 --> 01:14:59.867
I got a phone call
from Courtney.
1334
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:03.167
She wasn't livid, she
wasn't even angry.
1335
01:15:03.167 --> 01:15:05.400
She didn't mention
the letter, in fact.
1336
01:15:05.400 --> 01:15:08.900
I basically said I'm going to
continue with my investigation
1337
01:15:08.900 --> 01:15:11.633
With or without
your cooperation.
1338
01:15:52.400 --> 01:15:53.633
Here's all you have
to do to bring this
1339
01:15:53.633 --> 01:15:55.767
To a quick end and solve
all of your problems.
1340
01:16:34.467 --> 01:16:39.467
(Ominous music)
1341
01:17:13.700 --> 01:17:18.633
(Eerie music)
1342
01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:27.600
(Sad guitar music)
1343
01:18:03.667 --> 01:18:05.833
Yes, hi, I'm looking for Kurt.
1344
01:18:07.400 --> 01:18:08.533
Hello?
1345
01:18:08.533 --> 01:18:13.533
(Sad guitar music)
1346
01:18:23.233 --> 01:18:24.700
Hello?
1347
01:18:26.233 --> 01:18:27.800
Yes, hi. Someone's gonna get
really fucked up over there
1348
01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:29.467
If I don't talk to Kurt.
1349
01:18:31.833 --> 01:18:34.300
Hi, this is Julie Bernstein.
1350
01:18:34.300 --> 01:18:36.867
I really need to speak
to my client Kurt.
1351
01:18:36.867 --> 01:18:38.233
Get him on the fucking phone!
1352
01:18:38.233 --> 01:18:43.200
(Sad guitar music)
1353
01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:54.167
Yes, yeah, thank you.
1354
01:18:54.167 --> 01:18:55.767
No, no problem.
1355
01:18:56.533 --> 01:18:57.933
Yeah, Delta's fine.
1356
01:18:57.933 --> 01:19:02.933
(Sad guitar music)
1357
01:20:49.967 --> 01:20:54.967
(Eerie music)
1358
01:21:11.670 --> 01:21:12.933
[Voiceover] with the 20th
anniversary approaching,
1359
01:21:12.933 --> 01:21:15.833
Detective Mike Ciesynski
re-examined the case files
1360
01:21:15.833 --> 01:21:18.900
Of an assignment early
in his fledgling career,
1361
01:21:18.900 --> 01:21:22.333
The investigation into
the death of Kurt Cobain.
1362
01:21:22.700 --> 01:21:24.733
You can never really
realize what type
1363
01:21:24.733 --> 01:21:26.867
Of conspiracy theorists
are gonna come out
1364
01:21:26.867 --> 01:21:28.300
Of the woodwork.
1365
01:21:28.300 --> 01:21:31.933
The amount of heroin that
he injected was 10 times
1366
01:21:31.933 --> 01:21:35.600
What, normally,
anybody would've taken,
1367
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:37.400
Even a heavy heroin user.
1368
01:21:37.400 --> 01:21:41.967
I believe he gave himself a
fatal dose of black tar heroin.
1369
01:21:42.833 --> 01:21:47.833
(Eerie music)
1370
01:21:51.500 --> 01:21:53.933
[Voiceover] Detective Mike
Ciesynski found four rolls
1371
01:21:53.933 --> 01:21:56.733
Of undeveloped
crime scene photos.
1372
01:21:56.733 --> 01:21:59.670
Two of those photos
were released,
1373
01:21:59.670 --> 01:22:01.367
Taken the day his
body was found.
1374
01:22:01.367 --> 01:22:04.567
In hindsight, I think I
would've developed the film.
1375
01:22:04.567 --> 01:22:05.967
[Voiceover] Did you
find anything different
1376
01:22:05.967 --> 01:22:08.367
That made you believe
it's anything but suicide?
1377
01:22:08.367 --> 01:22:09.767
No, nothing.
1378
01:22:09.767 --> 01:22:12.133
What are people gonna
gain from seeing pictures
1379
01:22:12.133 --> 01:22:13.333
Of Kurt Cobain?
1380
01:22:13.333 --> 01:22:15.233
How is that gonna
benefit anybody?
1381
01:22:15.233 --> 01:22:18.200
It wasn't gonna change
my decision that
this was a suicide,
1382
01:22:18.200 --> 01:22:20.667
And actually I'm the one who
makes the decision finally,
1383
01:22:20.667 --> 01:22:22.670
Do we go forward or not.
1384
01:22:22.670 --> 01:22:25.400
There is never one item
that I said definitely
1385
01:22:25.400 --> 01:22:27.767
That this actually
was suicide, but um...
1386
01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:47.300
Any re-examination
should not even be actively
1387
01:22:47.300 --> 01:22:50.800
Participated in by the
Seattle Police Department.
1388
01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:54.533
To expect them to conduct
an objective, detached,
1389
01:22:54.533 --> 01:22:57.300
Unbiased investigation,
come back 20 years later
1390
01:22:57.300 --> 01:22:59.833
And say, "Hey man, we blew it?"
1391
01:22:59.833 --> 01:23:03.800
It flies in the face
of common sense.
1392
01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:07.900
The Kurt Cobain death
demands a re-opening
1393
01:23:07.900 --> 01:23:12.467
By an objective set of experts,
and until that is done,
1394
01:23:12.467 --> 01:23:15.433
Then one cannot feel
comfortable in saying
1395
01:23:15.433 --> 01:23:20.333
That Kurt Cobain's death
was a clear-cut suicide.
1396
01:23:23.200 --> 01:23:27.233
(Eerie music)
(Rain)
1397
01:23:27.233 --> 01:23:29.333
For me, the most
compelling piece of evidence
1398
01:23:29.333 --> 01:23:33.670
That convinces me,
almost to a certainty,
1399
01:23:33.670 --> 01:23:36.100
That Kurt was murdered, was the
level of heroin in his body.
1400
01:23:37.667 --> 01:23:40.333
There's never been a
documented case in the history
1401
01:23:40.333 --> 01:23:43.367
Of law enforcement where
somebody could have
1402
01:23:43.367 --> 01:23:47.100
The level of heroin in
their body that Kurt did,
1403
01:23:47.100 --> 01:23:51.833
Still remain conscious,
and still led to a suicide.
1404
01:23:53.467 --> 01:23:56.367
We talked to an FBI
expert, and he said,
1405
01:23:56.367 --> 01:23:58.667
"If you wanna get
away with murder,"
1406
01:23:59.333 --> 01:24:01.167
"You kill a junkie."
1407
01:24:01.167 --> 01:24:06.167
It's very easy to
make a murder look
1408
01:24:06.233 --> 01:24:09.400
Look like an accidental
overdose or a suicide.
1409
01:24:10.670 --> 01:24:14.467
It's the perfect crime, and
it happens all the time.
1410
01:24:16.670 --> 01:24:20.700
We know that Kurt and Courtney
had a prenuptial agreement.
1411
01:24:21.533 --> 01:24:23.467
They were in the process
of getting a divorce.
1412
01:24:23.467 --> 01:24:26.670
This was confirmed,
they were divorcing.
1413
01:24:26.670 --> 01:24:27.867
He was leaving her.
1414
01:24:28.467 --> 01:24:30.467
If the divorce had gone through,
1415
01:24:31.100 --> 01:24:34.267
She would've received
a very small settlement
1416
01:24:34.267 --> 01:24:36.633
As a result of the
prenuptial agreement.
1417
01:24:37.133 --> 01:24:41.670
When he died, she
co-inherited an estate worth
1418
01:24:41.670 --> 01:24:44.233
Possibly more than a billion
dollars in future royalties.
1419
01:24:45.670 --> 01:24:47.433
Police immediately
look at motive.
1420
01:24:47.433 --> 01:24:48.900
Here's the motive.
1421
01:24:51.433 --> 01:24:54.667
No matter what anybody
believes, this happened
1422
01:24:54.667 --> 01:24:58.533
Far too quickly for the kinds
of things to be accomplished
1423
01:24:58.533 --> 01:25:03.267
That need to be done in this
kind of death investigation.
1424
01:25:03.267 --> 01:25:07.633
We should, in fact, have
taken steps to study patterns
1425
01:25:07.633 --> 01:25:12.633
Involved in the behavior of key
individuals who had a motive
1426
01:25:13.500 --> 01:25:15.800
To see Kurt Cobain dead.
1427
01:25:16.767 --> 01:25:20.367
This would be in fact, a
classical example for how
1428
01:25:20.367 --> 01:25:23.670
An investigation
should not be done.
1429
01:25:23.670 --> 01:25:26.900
If, in fact, Kurt Cobain
was murdered, as opposed
1430
01:25:26.900 --> 01:25:30.900
To having committed
suicide, and it was possible
1431
01:25:30.900 --> 01:25:34.367
To learn that, shame on
us for not doing that.
1432
01:25:34.367 --> 01:25:37.167
That was, in fact,
our responsibility.
1433
01:25:37.167 --> 01:25:40.200
Should the case be re-opened?
1434
01:25:40.200 --> 01:25:43.670
My answer is unequivocally,
unhesitatingly,
1435
01:25:43.670 --> 01:25:45.667
"Yes, the case
should be re-opened."
1436
01:25:45.667 --> 01:25:47.433
It's about right and wrong.
1437
01:25:47.433 --> 01:25:51.633
It's about honor,
it's about ethics.
1438
01:25:51.633 --> 01:25:53.400
If we didn't get it
right the first time,
1439
01:25:53.400 --> 01:25:56.233
We damn well better get
it right the second time.
1440
01:25:56.233 --> 01:25:58.267
And I would tell you right
now that if I were the
1441
01:25:58.267 --> 01:26:01.667
Chief today, I would
re-open this investigation.
1442
01:26:07.100 --> 01:26:12.100
(Birds chirping)
(Eerie music)
1443
01:26:32.767 --> 01:26:37.767
(Guitar music)
1444
01:26:58.400 --> 01:27:03.400
(Rock music)
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