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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,600 I'm thinking how lucky I am. So lucky to have gotten out. 2 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,359 It makes everything more real, and you value everything much more. 3 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,039 Like what life you could've missed out on. 4 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,880 I don't understand why a proper survey of the ship wasn't done at the time. 5 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:48,916 I'm looking at how slowly the Titanic went down 6 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,600 and how fast the Estonia went down. 7 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,955 I want answers. What happened and why? 8 00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:02,799 I won't rest until I have the answers. 9 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:12,275 As a survivor, I hope we get closer to the truth. 10 00:01:12,359 --> 00:01:16,155 I believe that the truth is different from what 11 00:01:16,239 --> 00:01:20,560 the public has been told all this time. 12 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,196 I don't believe that it was just a bow visor that broke and fell off. 13 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,556 If that was the case, then why cover up the vessel? 14 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,680 Why forbid filming of the vessel? 15 00:01:39,879 --> 00:01:46,640 To this day, no one has checked if the ferry's hull was intact when it sank. 16 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,715 It's hard to understand how the boat could have sunk 17 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:57,319 without a hole in the hull to release the air pockets. 18 00:01:58,239 --> 00:02:02,599 The ship didn't sink as by a miracle. The hole has to be there. 19 00:02:06,519 --> 00:02:10,756 It's so easy to just go down and check. 20 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,680 We don't know if this really was an accident. 21 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,960 Something else could have happened out there. 22 00:03:17,039 --> 00:03:19,955 It's very clear that to take this case further, 23 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:23,479 we need a new dive on the wreck of the Estonia. 24 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,835 We started in Rostock on a northerly course, 25 00:03:35,919 --> 00:03:37,960 towards the site of the wreck. 26 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,240 The journey takes just over two days. 27 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,235 Today is the day. 28 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:55,675 I think everybody has been waiting for this. 29 00:03:55,759 --> 00:03:57,759 It's finally the day. 30 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,439 We will arrive at approximately five pm. 31 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:08,476 The area surrounding the shipwreck 32 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:13,036 is protected by a Sanctity of the Grave agreement. 33 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,439 It makes diving on the wreck very difficult. 34 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,836 Previous expeditions were faced with serious issues when attempting to dive. 35 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,115 What are your intentions? Over. 36 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:28,315 My name is Jakob Olszewski. 37 00:04:28,399 --> 00:04:33,480 I'm a diver from two previous expeditions to the Estonia wreck. 38 00:04:33,879 --> 00:04:37,839 This time I'll be a consultant for underwater operations. 39 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:45,716 We're on a German vessel. 40 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,956 Germany never signed the Sanctity of the Grave agreement 41 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,836 and we're in international waters. 42 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,879 We're not sure what's going to happen. 43 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:14,199 It seems like we have a law enforcement ship directly on the... 44 00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:20,800 On our side. On the Estonia wreck. They're waiting for us. 45 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,555 For the former two expeditions they've been there every time, 46 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:35,560 so I don't really expect trouble, but you never know. 47 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:45,195 When we got close enough to read the side of the ship, 48 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:50,879 we saw that it was the Finnish Coastguard's largest vessel, Turva. 49 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:02,195 The Turva was directly over the wreck of the Estonia, 50 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,920 which meant that we couldn't dive if they didn't move. 51 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:14,279 Turva, Turva, Turva. This is the Fritz Reuter. 52 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,680 Fritz Reuter, this is Turva replying. 53 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,675 I have a question to ask you. 54 00:06:22,759 --> 00:06:26,560 Do you want to maintain the position or move away? 55 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:33,235 Fritz Reuter, I see you are approaching our location. 56 00:06:33,319 --> 00:06:36,439 What are your intentions? 57 00:06:37,399 --> 00:06:42,920 We are a documentary team making a film about the Estonia disaster. 58 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:50,800 I understand. Is your intention to do underwater operations? 59 00:06:52,439 --> 00:06:54,480 Yes. 60 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:08,195 Fritz Reuter, this is Turva. 61 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,355 In that case, I must inform you that the wreck of Estonia 62 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:17,000 is the final resting place of all the persons lost in this disaster. 63 00:07:17,879 --> 00:07:19,079 We know that. 64 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:24,675 We are all aware of that, but we're a German vessel 65 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:30,160 and I think we can go do our work. 66 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,916 One last question for you. 67 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,439 Do you have any Finnish, Swedish or Estonian nationalities on board? 68 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,000 We have two Swedes. 69 00:08:12,519 --> 00:08:14,319 We are about to advance. 70 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:22,399 Did you copy that we are a German flag vessel and in international waters? 71 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,920 Fritz Reuter, this is Turva. 72 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,840 Yes, we understand that. 73 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:39,195 For safety of navigation, we are ready to move 74 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:43,835 half a mile away from this location. 75 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,795 That's fine. Thank you very much. 76 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:50,195 That's great. 77 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:54,039 I told you the Finns are pretty nice guys. 78 00:08:54,759 --> 00:08:56,639 Thank you, Finland. Thank you. 79 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:11,276 When the Turva decided to move, we were very relieved, 80 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,960 but they stayed close by and observed us the whole time. 81 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:25,279 As a reference on the surface, we have to toss out a so-called shot line. 82 00:09:25,759 --> 00:09:31,799 It's vital that the shot line is placed as close to the wreck as possible. 83 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,919 The vessel's here. We have to move the drop back. 84 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,039 Deck, green light to launch the ROV, please? 85 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,960 Copy. ROV launched. 86 00:10:19,639 --> 00:10:21,600 Thank you. 87 00:10:29,039 --> 00:10:32,000 Okay, drive towards the shot line. 88 00:10:36,519 --> 00:10:40,036 ROV turned 90 degrees left. 89 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,720 90 degrees left. Thank you. 90 00:10:51,799 --> 00:10:55,919 We still don't have visual contact with the shot line. Over. 91 00:10:59,399 --> 00:11:01,996 - Okay, I see it. - We see it now. 92 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,320 We have visual contact with the shot line. Thank you. 93 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,960 - Ready to dive. - Thank you. We're starting the dive. 94 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:14,600 We are five meters below the surface. 95 00:11:15,039 --> 00:11:17,039 Paying out cable. 96 00:11:24,519 --> 00:11:26,555 The Finnish coastguard reported 97 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:31,116 a possible breach of burial site restrictions 98 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,080 at the site of the Estonia wreck in the Baltic Sea. 99 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:39,159 They also suspect the use of an ROV 100 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:44,519 despite being warned not to and the Sanctity of Grave agreement. 101 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,996 With us now is Petteri Partanen from the Finnish coastguard. 102 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,475 Have you made any arrests? 103 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:58,799 No, we don't have legal powers in international waters for such actions. 104 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,600 - Are you still monitoring the ship? - Yes, constantly. 105 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,315 I hope the visibility is good down there. 106 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:15,600 We're going down to about 70 metres depth. 107 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,240 Sixty metres. I think we're getting close. 108 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,120 A lot of jellyfish. 109 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,759 Okay, we have 67 metres below surface. 110 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,756 Okey, so we are... It's coming. I hope its lying... I see it. 111 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,080 ROV has visual contact with the wreck. 112 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:59,156 It's nicely tucked between our ship and Turva. 113 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,996 - It looks nice. - Great. 114 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,156 It's lying right between the bow thrusters. 115 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:09,600 The shot line is placed between the bow thrusters. 116 00:13:25,919 --> 00:13:28,955 Coming up to the bulb here. 117 00:13:29,039 --> 00:13:32,595 The bulb is at about 73 metres depth. 118 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,799 The ROV has visual contact with the bulb of the Estonia. 119 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,200 The bulb looks fine. 120 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,475 Nice and gentle. Pay out cable, please. 121 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,039 Paying out cable. 122 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:07,519 Following along the side fender on the port side. 123 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:11,960 Copy. 124 00:14:25,919 --> 00:14:28,639 - What's that? - Hold on. 125 00:14:30,039 --> 00:14:31,480 Let's see. 126 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:43,320 That must be the hole the Rockwater divers made in 1994. 127 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:58,039 In December 1994 they cut two holes. We should find another over there. 128 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:12,039 This is the other hole. 129 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:21,236 We now have good documentation of both the Rockwater entrance holes. 130 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:22,916 Copy. 131 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,955 As far as I know, Rockwater was supposed to cover the holes 132 00:15:27,039 --> 00:15:29,715 when they were done, but it's open here. 133 00:15:29,799 --> 00:15:32,759 - It could have been done later. - Yes. 134 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:39,279 - I'll go back. - ROV is returning to the shot line. 135 00:15:54,639 --> 00:16:01,595 It looks like it has tipped over. The angle it's lying at is quite steep. 136 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:07,156 It seems that there's quite much listing 137 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,636 over to the starboard side. 138 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,159 I think it might be 130 degrees. 139 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,480 - Is the Turva still in position? - Copy. 140 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,475 It would be great if you could go starboard out. 141 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:09,156 I need to go around the shot line and trace back slowly. 142 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,599 Nice and gentle, pay out cable, please. 143 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,720 Paying out cable. 144 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,796 This must be the fender. 145 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:25,000 - Is it the starboard fender? - Yes, it has to be. 146 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,880 ROV at starboard fender of the Estonia. 147 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,960 It seems like it's listing. 148 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:40,480 - Pay out, pay out. - Paying out cable. 149 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,876 There have been theories about a hole on the starboard side 150 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,599 which could explain why the boat sank so fast. 151 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,755 It has never been documented, if they ever filmed it. 152 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:04,556 This is actually the first time someone's checked 153 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,319 if this part of the boat is damaged. 154 00:18:12,279 --> 00:18:15,035 - You can see quite well. - Yes, yes. 155 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,519 The visibility is good at 85 metres depth. 156 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,396 There's still quite a lot of paint left. 157 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,480 You can still see the white paint and the fender is blue. 158 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,200 This looks like clay to me. 159 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:39,519 Baltic Sea clay. 160 00:18:44,519 --> 00:18:46,356 The rocks are here. 161 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,640 Shot line's 40 metres aft. Backing up vessel. 162 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:55,799 That must be the rocks they used to cover it. 163 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,880 Just there... 164 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,799 If you follow the fender further, we have that as a reference. 165 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:23,119 Hold on. 166 00:19:25,799 --> 00:19:27,839 Let's have a look. 167 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:34,920 - Are you already... - The boat ends here. 168 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,480 Wow, look. 169 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,519 That looks like a crack. No. 170 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:01,720 I'll see if I can find a better angle. I was a bit surprised. 171 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,195 That's the fender. 172 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:10,839 Try come round and see. Can you see inside? 173 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,480 Oh shit. Oh shit. 174 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:24,035 - It's totally pushed in here. - Yes. 175 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,636 We're looking right into the boat. 176 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,796 You can see the boat's skeleton. It's torn completely open. 177 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:37,160 On the starboard side it's pushed in a whole metre. 178 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:41,316 You can see that the fender is completely crushed. 179 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,279 Wow, it's quite... 180 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:50,116 I'll see if I can go more to the side. 181 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,920 I'm hitting the sandbank behind me. I need to go up and over a bit. 182 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,235 This is above the fender. 183 00:20:58,319 --> 00:21:01,796 There's something around there. An O or an S or something. 184 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:07,235 Now you can see it. Looks like there's writing there. 185 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:11,400 It's an S or something around at the bottom. 186 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,116 Estonia wasn't written on the side, I think, but... 187 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,720 It could be the bottom of an S. 188 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:29,556 There's a towel there, so this might be the swimming pool and sauna area. 189 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,880 I think we're further back. 190 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,995 If we're by the S in Estline, then we're further back. 191 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:43,556 - How could they have missed this? - If they dived here, they can't have. 192 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,995 - Shot line at midship. - Thank you. ROV midship the Estonia. 193 00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:55,000 We've made an interesting discovery and will stay at this location. Thank you. 194 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,079 Copy. 195 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:02,755 Here's the fender. It's completely pushed in. 196 00:22:02,839 --> 00:22:05,396 Cable in straight line to the wreck. 197 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,675 Could this be from the time of the shipwreck? 198 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:13,156 She was standing upright in water. 199 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,235 Yes... Let's check. 200 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:19,116 I've seen a lot of wrecks, but nothing like this before. 201 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,955 That looks like something that's been done with a huge amount of force. 202 00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:28,836 That looks like steel beams have been ripped right off. 203 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:34,279 The hull is ripped open here. This piece of metal is sticking out. 204 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:41,200 - This is clearly a very massive damage. - Yes. 205 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,675 It's hard to find a better angle here. It doesn't seem safe. 206 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:54,400 We don't know... Stuff is sticking out. I'll try to get closer. 207 00:22:58,079 --> 00:23:01,076 - Look at this. - Yes. 208 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,116 - That's a hole. - That's as big a hole as they come. 209 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,995 That doesn't look like it was only tension. 210 00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:13,796 - We can see the fender, it's pushed in. - Hell, it's pushed in. 211 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,195 To which side was she listing when she sank? 212 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:24,675 - The list was on the starboard side. - This is the starboard side. 213 00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:31,596 If there was a hole somewhere in the boat then it was going to be here. 214 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,319 Shot line 40 metres aft. 215 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,400 It's long. 216 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,599 - Are you aborting now? - Yes, he can take it home. 217 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,435 Take home cable. We are going up to the surface with the ROV. 218 00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:02,475 We have to go through all the data and also the 4K video footage, 219 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:04,836 but that was damage we saw, definitely. 220 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,076 - The fender was gone. - Yes. 221 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,916 I thought we had reached the stern since there was no more fender. 222 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,240 Pulling cable. 223 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:29,920 Just after midnight, there were two really loud bangs. 224 00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:35,039 It sounded like the vessel was ploughing through ice. 225 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:42,119 Very soon after that the vessel turned abruptly to the starboard side. 226 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,920 As though something on the ship has been hit. 227 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,275 Then all the glass in the cafeteria behind me smashed. 228 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,680 It didn't feel right at all. 229 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,356 Will you be coming to our aid? 230 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,519 It looks very bad here now. Very bad. 231 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,435 I'm very happy that after these few days, 232 00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:33,160 we can really say that we have a game changer. 233 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,640 We've found damages, massive damages. 234 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,400 8They're not questionable any more. They aren't speculations. 235 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,359 The damages are there. 236 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,675 A German flagged vessel 237 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,396 is suspected of breaching the sanctity of the Estonia, 238 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,715 according to the Finnish coastguard. 239 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:02,275 The Finnish Coastguard believes the purpose of deploying a dive robot 240 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,275 was to photograph the wreck. 241 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,396 The coastguard is taking the matter seriously. 242 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,916 It's something that shouldn't happen. 243 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:16,235 You shouldn't dive with a robot or people. The wreck should be left alone. 244 00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:19,916 The Finnish Coastguard has been in contact with the vessel 245 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,275 and found out that there are Swedish citizens on board. 246 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,519 They don't know who they are. 247 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,195 After the discovery and documentation of the damage 248 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:35,675 helicopters and planes started arriving. 249 00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:38,599 We then decided to end the expedition. 250 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,515 What happens now? 251 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:51,599 We will continue together with the Finnish and international cooperation. 252 00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:56,319 We are closely monitoring their movements. 253 00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:04,475 On Saturday, it will be 25 years since the Estonia sank. 254 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,640 852 people died in the accident. 255 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:47,675 25 years ago, I survived the Estonia shipwreck. 256 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:52,156 I got to go back to my family and continue with my life. 257 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:58,195 Thousands of other people never got to see parts of their family again. 258 00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:02,156 It was a tough night, but it was also hard to carry on living. 259 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,916 Being a survivor, a witness. 260 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,995 I couldn't stand that they didn't listen to us survivors and relatives, 261 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:13,675 that our accounts weren't valid, 262 00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:18,275 and that the relatives weren't a part of the important decisions made. 263 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,836 How could a country like Sweden react that way? 264 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,799 To me, it was incomprehensible. 265 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,556 Sadly, the handling of the situation continues to affect us. 266 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,035 The decisions made or not made 267 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,440 are like ripples in the water that keep on going forever. 268 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:44,156 Today my thoughts are with all who lost loved ones that night, 269 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,240 with the other survivors, 270 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,599 and all my fellow passengers who never made it home again. 271 00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:08,876 Many of those who spoke at the memorial, 272 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,519 expressed the need for a new independent investigation. 273 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:17,076 Based on all the uncovered facts, 274 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,636 a new independent international investigation is needed. 275 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,715 Let's get rid of all the conspiracy theories. 276 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:31,475 That same night, the Justice Department issued a press release 277 00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:35,059 saying that the government was against a new independent investigation. 278 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,876 The very same night. 279 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,715 "Based on the previous investigations 280 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:43,675 "the government sees no reason for a new investigation, 281 00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:46,359 "the Justice Department wrote to Swedish Television." 282 00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:13,195 We're visiting Linus Andersson, who was there on the Baltic Sea. 283 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:14,675 He's has a degree in ship technology 284 00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:19,640 and is an expert at documenting ship damages. 285 00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:25,960 He's analysed the material from Estonia, and we're going to see what he's found. 286 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:36,920 After processing the footage I've located the position of the damage on the wreck 287 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,559 and its scale. Have a look. 288 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:46,039 This is a 3D model of the wreck. The damage is here. 289 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,400 That's definitely not just a little damage. 290 00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:53,559 Can you show me the path of the ROV? 291 00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:57,675 When we arrived we dropped a shot line 292 00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:01,440 that landed perfectly between the bow thrusters. 293 00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:08,640 Then we moved up along the hull to the fender. 294 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:13,000 So we had some type of reference point. 295 00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:20,195 The ROV moved further on about a third of the way to the stern, 296 00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:22,519 where we then saw the damage. 297 00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:28,796 What I noticed when checking various blueprints, 298 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,720 it that the text "ESTLINE" is in different places. 299 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,955 That's why I couldn't use the text, but I used the row of windows. 300 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:40,715 These bull's-eye windows and bollards are fixed points. 301 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,596 They are correctly placed in every blueprint. 302 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:50,160 In this model you can see just the opening in the hull, 303 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,316 where it's really open into the ship. 304 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,316 From here to there, how far is that would you say? 305 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:03,039 We can't see if it continues further, but it's at least four metres. 306 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,680 Four metres in reality, let's start from the ceiling. 307 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,755 It's 2,5 metres to the ceiling here. 308 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:28,116 So the damage continues for another 1,5 metres. 309 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,636 - Damn, that's big! - Yes, it is. 310 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,715 It's 1,5 metres at the widest point here. 311 00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:41,356 From this curtain to this curtain is almost the width to scale. 312 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,599 1,5 metres over the ceiling. It's really big. 313 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,156 Where is the damage we found? 314 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,755 The damage is here. 315 00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:59,559 There's a bulkhead here. 316 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:05,396 To the untrained eye, it looks like where people are sleeping. 317 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,116 This happened in the middle of the night, so the cabins were full. 318 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,640 Yes, this is where the passengers were on this deck. 319 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:17,995 To me, this looks like impact damage 320 00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:20,076 The way it's pushed in here, 321 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,275 it must have been an impact that caused the squashing of the structure. 322 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:29,836 To me, the damage looks like this 323 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,240 based on how the fender is situated. 324 00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:35,759 It has folded over. 325 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,559 The question is how this happened. 326 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,316 The Meyer Shipyard, who built the Estonia, 327 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,475 claimed there were multiple explosive devices onboard the Estonia 328 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:56,909 that were detonated at the time of the disaster. 329 00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:01,916 According to experts, someone placed explosive devices on board the Estonia 330 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,920 that detonated as the boat sank. 331 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:09,276 The report says, on the balance of probability, 332 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:15,039 that the damage in certain areas had been caused by explosions. 333 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,396 The German group of experts found out that probably 334 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,320 there were two or three explosions, which caused holes in the hull. 335 00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:29,916 There was a big bang and there was another big bang. 336 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,119 The subsequent shuttering of the ship. 337 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,599 All the indications of explosions. 338 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,400 - Hi, I'm Henrik. - I'm Frank. 339 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,316 My name is Frank Břrresen. I am a lieutenant commander 340 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,635 and officer for mine diving operations at the Navy's weapons school. 341 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,635 During my service, I've seen a number of explosions 342 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,800 and their effects on vehicles and ships. 343 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:29,039 I'm an expert in removal of explosives, diving and marine mine removal. 344 00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,639 I see where the damage starts. 345 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,639 What's characteristic here, is that it's elongated. 346 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:05,320 - Can you bring up measurements? - Yes, it's four metres from here to here. 347 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:12,955 This graphic shows clearly how the side has been pushed in. 348 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:16,035 If you compare it to images of known explosions, 349 00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:20,396 like USS Cole or those tankers in the gulf this year, 350 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,635 you'll see the metal bent inwards from an explosion on the outside 351 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,716 or outwards if the explosion was on the inside. 352 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,119 Like someone punched a hole in it. 353 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:51,400 I can't say it wasn't an explosion, but it seems highly unlikely. 354 00:36:53,480 --> 00:37:00,000 If there was one, the metal would be bent inwards a lot more than we can see here. 355 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,920 The way the paint has peeled is not typical for the area of an explosion. 356 00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:14,916 There's simply not enough displacement of metal 357 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,760 for me to believe this was an explosion. 358 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,115 Based on the images and graphic, 359 00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:28,320 it seems like an external force pushed in the side of the hull. 360 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,840 It's in the middle of... 361 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,199 It's well placed along the waterline. 362 00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:43,960 What does that mean? 363 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:51,075 Due to the proximity of the waterline. A foreign object might have pushed it in, 364 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:56,840 but I'm not qualified to say anything else about this. 365 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,515 My name is Jřrgen Amdahl. I'm a professor of marine construction 366 00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:15,760 at the Institute of Marine Technology at NTNU in Trondheim. 367 00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:22,396 Most of my work involves analysing the effects of collisions 368 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,480 between ships or between ships and platforms. 369 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,639 That's quite significant damage. 370 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,916 It looks like the paint has peeled off 371 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,440 which might have been caused by being hit by another object. 372 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,519 An external force. 373 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,635 The question arises, how could this have happened? 374 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,796 What could have caused it? 375 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:15,360 There are many potential scenarios how this could have happened. 376 00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:20,916 It might have hit something floating in the water. 377 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,000 It could have been the bow visor. 378 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:32,555 You'd expect to see markings on the bow visor if it had hit the side. 379 00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:36,280 There is significant damage on the bow visor. 380 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,039 Let's see. 381 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,440 This was caused by the bulb. 382 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,960 I can't see many scratches on this side. 383 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:59,276 I can't see any clear markings that indicate the bow visor did this. 384 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,916 I have to say that... 385 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,159 It's strange, I have to say. That the bow visor was hit, is possible. 386 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:12,159 Was there anything else floating on the surface? 387 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,236 The scale of the damage means that we can't exclude 388 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,239 that it was relevant in the sinking of the ship. 389 00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:28,396 It's possible to calculate, quite accurately, 390 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,480 the amount of force needed to cause this damage. 391 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,159 It's also possible to calculate 392 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:41,356 the mass of the object that hit the ship. 393 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,920 So this should be examined further. 394 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,119 At the start of autumn and for its duration, I feel an unrest. 395 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,599 Every year since 1994. 396 00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:25,316 I heard from eye witnesses that Hjřrund was with his mother 397 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,239 when the boat sank. 398 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:36,320 The stairs were so steep that Hjřrund couldn't climb them 399 00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:39,519 and his mother chose not to leave him. 400 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,719 She wasn't strong enough to get Hjřrund and herself up the stairs. 401 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,679 I feel like I've been subjected to two forms of abuse. 402 00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:57,435 One being the boat sinking and losing my son 403 00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:00,716 and the other when the Swedish authorities decided 404 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,155 to leave the boat where it is. 405 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,599 There must be a reason for not salvaging the boat and that's an answer I never got. 406 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,075 Why is this relevant 25 years later? 407 00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:19,880 Because we still don't know how this accident actually happened. 408 00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:24,916 For me, it's an issue of future safety at sea 409 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,320 for my children, my grandchildren and for different parts of the world. 410 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,559 In such a huge disaster, which the Estonia was, 411 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,159 you need to know what happened and why it happened 412 00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:47,159 and most importantly, that it never happens again. 413 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,880 And I'm convinced the truth will be uncovered eventually. 414 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,075 I'm excited to hear what you've found out. 415 00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:42,276 I can imagine. Let's see. 416 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:48,995 What we've done, is build an element model 417 00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:53,239 of the side of the ship in a certain length. 418 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,955 And then we rammed an object into the side of the ship 419 00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:02,155 to find out what amount of force and energy is needed 420 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:09,119 to achieve the amount of damage observed with the ROV. 421 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,316 We can see the side of the ship is pushed in. 422 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,995 There's also a crack forming on the side plates of the ship 423 00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:24,519 and a significant deformation of the ribs and half ribs. 424 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:32,079 We've removed the sphere to see the course of the damage to the ship. 425 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,796 It's remarkable how similar the animation is to the real thing. 426 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:45,000 The damage is very similar to what was observed with the underwater camera. 427 00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:52,360 To be specific, the maximum force is around five to six hundred tons. 428 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,435 That's the amount of force needed to cause the deformation 429 00:44:57,519 --> 00:44:59,236 according to our calculations. 430 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,515 - Oh my God, that's a lot of force. - Yes, that's a lot of force. 431 00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:06,280 What does that actually mean? 432 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:12,475 That's the equivalent of, for example, a thousand ton object 433 00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:18,595 hitting the side of the ship at four knots. Maybe a large fishing boat. 434 00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:23,276 Alternatively, an object with a mass of five thousand tons 435 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,995 moving at 1,9 knots. 436 00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:30,639 That is equal to a medium supply boat. 437 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,555 If it's an object floating in the water, it's not very small. 438 00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:39,435 It's not a wooden log or something of that size. 439 00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:43,719 Even a thousand tons, which we used here, is a large object. 440 00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:46,800 That's unbelievable. 441 00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:54,435 Last time, we discussed the bow visor hitting the side of the ship. 442 00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:57,475 The bow visor weighs fifty five tons. 443 00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:03,155 Fifty five tons is very little weight in this context. It really is. 444 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:08,840 Talking about a thousand tons, that's twenty bow visors. 445 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:16,719 So it's safe to say that it wasn't a bow visor that caused the damage. 446 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,515 Can we open the door? I'm a bit shaken... 447 00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:34,676 I had a lot of... We talked about me asking you a lot of questions, 448 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,995 but this has upset me a bit, I have to say. 449 00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:44,635 I'm a bit surprised by the amount of energy involved after working on this. 450 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,356 So you're not exaggerating? That's a modest calculation? 451 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,920 No, we try keep it as rational as possible. We do try. 452 00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:04,960 It's also possible that the ship hit a rock on the seafloor. 453 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,435 That could also have been an applied force. 454 00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:14,115 That is dependent on whether there were rocks firmly stuck on the seafloor, 455 00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,360 but it is also a possibility 456 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,035 We have studies of the seafloor 457 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:24,756 that were done in connection to the concrete covering. 458 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:30,276 It was concluded that it was a deep section of loose clay 459 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,840 followed by a section of slightly more dense moray clay. 460 00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:37,719 That's several metres beneath the seafloor. 461 00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:49,276 - So there's no indication of rocks there. - No. 462 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,119 At least not described in the documentation. 463 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:03,400 We have spoken to many first hand sources and especially many survivors. 464 00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,840 They made many compelling observations. 465 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,760 Here we have Carl Eric Reintamm, who is a survivor. 466 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,916 He reached the promenade deck very quickly. 467 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,599 Let's have a look. 468 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,396 The moment I got to the outside of the vessel, I didn't see anyone. 469 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:33,400 There was no one where I was standing. I was the first to get there, apparently. 470 00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:38,716 While I was standing there I naturally looked out to sea, 471 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,920 I looked down and saw something strange in the water. 472 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:50,555 I saw something white that was several metres long and wide 473 00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:54,196 and it was moving to the left 474 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,920 while waves were rolling over it. 475 00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:03,115 I never served in the military. 476 00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:07,595 I have no idea what a submarine looks like in the water. 477 00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:09,716 The water was dark. 478 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:15,276 I don't know if a submarine can appear brighter than the water, 479 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,916 but obviously the vessel hit something. 480 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,796 What else could explain the noises that sounded like 481 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,236 the vessel was ploughing through ice 482 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:34,960 when you're down there, where you can hear everything that hits the vessel. 483 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,995 That does make an impression, naturally. 484 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:51,876 It's something, you could say, that makes you think. 485 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,635 Especially in light of the observations made now of the Estonia 486 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,119 and the seafloor. 487 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,075 Does it sound reasonable what he's saying or is it... 488 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:05,356 I can't say it doesn't sound reasonable. He sees something, right? 489 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,316 And... 490 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:13,480 Of course, it's not certain that he can see everything. 491 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,716 A boat would've been quite long 492 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,039 but he doesn't necessarily have to see the whole boat. 493 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,356 There are different size submarines 494 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,039 and definitely from under a thousand tons to several thousand tons. 495 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,280 Let's see if there's any images available. 496 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,719 Kobben submarine. 497 00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:40,599 Is there a size? 498 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,836 This is actually a really small boat, right? 499 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,599 Wait, let's see if there are details about its displacement. 500 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,280 Submarine weight. Maybe an Ula-class? 501 00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:05,920 A thousand tons, yes. 502 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,159 Yes, these are two Ula-class submarines. They're about a thousand tons. 503 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,119 You can't conclude anything based on this. 504 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:26,595 Anyway, all the witness accounts should be considered, in my opinion. 505 00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:31,396 - This account was never considered. - It was never considered? 506 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,639 This observation needs to be taken seriously. It does. 507 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:41,440 It's a mystery to begin with. Why did it get damaged like this? 508 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:48,360 If it happened before the ship sank, then it's definitely a huge mystery. 509 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,836 Based on these new discoveries we've made, 510 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,075 what do you think should be done now? 511 00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:06,916 Based on the technical and professional evaluation of the damage, 512 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:13,876 I think the cause of the damage should be investigated 513 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:20,679 and whether it caused what happened and how it ended. 514 00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:26,276 This is new evidence that no one has reported before 515 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:31,356 and obviously an explanation for this is necessary. 516 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,119 I think so. 517 00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:01,836 Every accident will generally have different theories and explanations 518 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,676 depending on different people's knowledge 519 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,239 and maybe agenda. 520 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,115 I know the Estonia is connected to various theories, 521 00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:16,756 that have surfaced. 522 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:22,075 You have to be willing to openly discuss everything. 523 00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:29,079 It's never right to hide things because you're afraid of a debate. 524 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,356 Welcome. 525 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,796 We will give a short presentation to inform you of some findings 526 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,360 concerning the Estonia disaster. 527 00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:14,316 During our work on this series, 528 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,955 we've realized that there are more questions than answers 529 00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:21,760 on what happened to the Estonia on 28th of September 1994. 530 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,876 You'll see ROV footage of the starboard side of the Estonia. 531 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,559 It will shed new light on the Estonia disaster. 532 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,916 - Pay out, pay out. - Paying out cable. 533 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,880 Go along the fender, so we have a reference point. 534 00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:44,480 Wait a minute. 535 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,840 The boat ends. 536 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,960 Wow, look. 537 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,440 It looks like a crack. No. 538 00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:48,000 It's horrible. Heads must roll after this. 539 00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:50,916 They can't play this down. 540 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,519 It's massive damage. 541 00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:57,360 This is a true scandal unlike anything else. 542 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,515 I'm not just upset, I'm angry. 543 00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:03,756 This is dramatic. 544 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:09,639 Especially that it wasn't discovered when they made the shipwreck report. 545 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,079 It's shocking, I'd say. 546 00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:15,960 It is... 547 00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:20,435 This is something I've waited for all these years. 548 00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:23,239 It seems revolutionary. 549 00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:28,075 They really have to tell us what actually happened! 550 00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:33,155 The knowledge is there, and we want it. There's no need for a new survey. 551 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:38,435 What's necessary is telling the truth about what happened. 552 00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:42,515 This has to be brought as high up in the system as possible. 553 00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:46,039 The stones that might tumble, will just have to tumble. 554 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,356 It's hard to say what caused the hole 555 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:56,155 because something has hit it from the outside. 556 00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:01,075 We never knew about this, so it's a new find. 557 00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:05,756 Why it wasn't discovered before, I can't say. 558 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:12,515 All authorities should look into this. The Estonian as well. Naturally. 559 00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:16,840 I definitely consider this find as a game changer. 560 00:57:18,639 --> 00:57:22,276 I think that after this, 561 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:28,555 it will be impossible for the Estonian government to do nothing. 562 00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:30,320 It's simply impossible. 563 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,796 - This is a serious damage. - It's completely pushed in. 564 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,679 Look. It's straight into the boat. 565 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,356 That's about it. What do you think? 566 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:53,719 Quite frankly, those chilling pictures need to be digested. 567 00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:59,916 I'm not sure, since I'm not an expert in maritime matters. 568 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:06,035 I'm not exactly sure what I've seen and what to make of it. 569 00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:11,635 The main problem is that three countries have agreed 570 00:58:11,719 --> 00:58:18,440 that they neither dive nor film the shipwreck. 571 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:25,876 Could that peace treaty also be a hindrance 572 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,435 to discovering what happened to the Estonia that night? 573 00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:36,035 We're not authorized to give any comments on that. 574 00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:41,159 This is completely new information. 575 00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:43,396 We need to digest it. 576 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:48,960 We'll take this information to our experts and describe it. 577 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,719 We'll see what the following steps will be. 578 00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:01,876 Losing a loved one like this, is hard. 579 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,199 It takes time to get over it. 580 00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:10,396 And then, 25 or 26 years later, to find out 581 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,435 that there has probably been a huge effort to keep it in the dark. 582 00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:18,836 Everything that has been so strange when it comes to the Estonia, 583 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,876 is due to a wish to hide the reason for the shipwreck. 584 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:28,515 The conspiracy theories have just been fragmented ideas. 585 00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:34,515 But when you see this huge hole in the side of the ship, 586 00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:39,035 which haven't been revealed, investigated or anything, 587 00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:43,236 you kind of think that this might be a turning point. 588 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,676 I feel like it has been worth the wait. 589 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,196 There's more hope of knowing now. 590 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,800 I want to find the truth now. 591 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,515 To us who have worked for a long time with these questions, 592 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:03,239 this isn't the end, but the beginning. 593 01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:07,039 The beginning of the next phase regarding the Estonia. 594 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,920 Revised and Synchronized by FAST TITLES MEDIA 49014

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