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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:24,130 --> 00:00:31,770 This is surveillance video showing Jáno Kuciak, 4 00:00:32,290 --> 00:00:34,450 the investigative reporter, 5 00:00:34,537 --> 00:00:39,506 and next to him is his fiancée, Martina Kušnírová. 6 00:00:44,409 --> 00:00:47,329 Someone was following their daily routines, 7 00:00:47,409 --> 00:00:50,609 especially focused on Jáno. 8 00:00:51,289 --> 00:00:56,289 And few months after this surveillance was done, 9 00:00:56,449 --> 00:00:58,733 Jáno and Martina were murdered. 10 00:01:04,456 --> 00:01:07,976 “An attack on a journalist is an attack on all of us.” 11 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,333 Demonstration banner. Slovakia 2018. 12 00:01:12,860 --> 00:01:17,739 In my wildest dreams I didn't think something like this could happen. 13 00:01:18,481 --> 00:01:24,601 I never thought it could happen in Central Europe. 14 00:01:24,893 --> 00:01:28,333 Friday evening. Their cell phones did not have power anymore. 15 00:01:28,525 --> 00:01:32,346 My son said, "Mom, do something. Call Ján's family." 16 00:01:33,128 --> 00:01:36,368 And they were supposed to get married... 17 00:01:36,488 --> 00:01:42,889 - In May. - May 5th, 2018 was the wedding date. 18 00:01:44,808 --> 00:01:48,328 We had lots of things prepared already... 19 00:01:49,648 --> 00:01:52,178 instead of a wedding we had a funeral. 20 00:01:58,660 --> 00:02:01,572 The Killing of a Journalist. 21 00:02:19,447 --> 00:02:25,567 We knew that the country is corrupted. 22 00:02:26,647 --> 00:02:31,571 Everyone somehow understood the government. 23 00:02:31,596 --> 00:02:33,587 Pavla Holcová, Investigative Journalist 24 00:02:33,626 --> 00:02:37,487 and the judges and the police, there are corrupted people. 25 00:02:37,567 --> 00:02:40,617 Supreme Court, Constitutional Court, courts in general, 26 00:02:40,642 --> 00:02:42,016 Michal Vašečka, Sociologist. 27 00:02:42,041 --> 00:02:44,421 Police, Prosecutor General Office, etc., etc., 28 00:02:44,446 --> 00:02:48,606 all these positions were completely in the hands 29 00:02:48,686 --> 00:02:53,086 of this mafia type of system that these oligarchs created. 30 00:03:00,606 --> 00:03:02,646 And the murder of Ján Kuciak 31 00:03:02,726 --> 00:03:05,046 and Martina Kušnírová was the breaking point, 32 00:03:05,126 --> 00:03:08,926 when we realized, "Okay, now they are ready even to kill." 33 00:03:10,126 --> 00:03:15,206 I believe 100% Marián Kočner ordered the murder 34 00:03:15,286 --> 00:03:17,006 of Jáno Kuciak. 35 00:03:17,646 --> 00:03:21,885 But from what I've seen, how the system works, 36 00:03:21,965 --> 00:03:25,765 I'm not convinced he will end up convicted. 37 00:03:29,812 --> 00:03:35,612 From 1998 to 2006 Slovakia was very slowly becoming a kind 38 00:03:35,685 --> 00:03:37,965 of a Central European economic tiger, 39 00:03:39,845 --> 00:03:44,205 which led Slovakia into the European Union, into the NATO. 40 00:03:46,045 --> 00:03:47,965 Basically Slovakia became one 41 00:03:48,045 --> 00:03:51,205 of the most successful transition countries. 42 00:03:53,805 --> 00:03:55,405 But the problem was 43 00:03:55,485 --> 00:04:01,364 that behind the curtain very dirty things were happening. 44 00:04:03,644 --> 00:04:08,124 Oligarchs basically started slowly but systematically 45 00:04:08,204 --> 00:04:10,284 to kidnap the country. 46 00:04:10,604 --> 00:04:14,284 And it somehow materialized itself in the government 47 00:04:14,364 --> 00:04:18,524 of former Prime Minister Fico, which came to power in 2006. 48 00:04:18,604 --> 00:04:20,244 We are talking about oligarchs 49 00:04:20,324 --> 00:04:24,204 who created political parties, who were paying them, 50 00:04:24,284 --> 00:04:27,324 and who created, basically, their puppets. 51 00:04:27,404 --> 00:04:30,964 And oligarchs had such a power 52 00:04:31,044 --> 00:04:35,084 that they even had the chance to create the illusion 53 00:04:35,164 --> 00:04:38,523 of a well-functioning liberal democracy. 54 00:04:39,163 --> 00:04:42,963 And in 2018, when Kuciak was murdered, 55 00:04:43,043 --> 00:04:46,956 we discovered that there is no bottom. 56 00:05:03,237 --> 00:05:08,819 There are different types of journalism. I thought since he played sports - 57 00:05:08,843 --> 00:05:10,483 Jozef Kuciak and Jana Kuciaková, Ján's Parents 58 00:05:10,507 --> 00:05:16,190 he would be interested in that. But he was captivated by investigations. 59 00:05:18,482 --> 00:05:24,081 I kept warning them. Be careful. Stop... write about sports instead. 60 00:05:24,105 --> 00:05:25,581 Zlata Kušnirová, Martina's Mother. 61 00:05:25,605 --> 00:05:29,057 "You write about bad people and I'm worried about you," I told Ján. 62 00:05:29,082 --> 00:05:33,962 We always make fun of the police question, 63 00:05:34,042 --> 00:05:35,802 "Did he have any enemies?" 64 00:05:35,882 --> 00:05:37,802 Because if you are an investigative journalist, 65 00:05:37,882 --> 00:05:41,842 you know, the list of enemies is like excel sheet, 66 00:05:41,922 --> 00:05:43,322 a couple of pages. 67 00:05:43,457 --> 00:05:47,954 Ján was working on a lot of topics, including Kočner, 68 00:05:47,979 --> 00:05:52,482 Mr. Bödör, Slovak oligarchs, Prime Minister Robert Fico. 69 00:05:52,562 --> 00:05:58,081 Ján was dangerous to them... to those white-collar mobsters who - 70 00:05:58,281 --> 00:06:02,601 operate in Slovakia from top to bottom. 71 00:06:02,681 --> 00:06:04,601 His knowledge was kind of a special 72 00:06:04,681 --> 00:06:08,641 and really in depth into the money flows, 73 00:06:08,721 --> 00:06:11,481 so not many people could actually understand 74 00:06:11,561 --> 00:06:13,521 what he's talking about. 75 00:06:13,601 --> 00:06:17,561 VAT fraud, illegal money flows, tax evasion. 76 00:06:17,641 --> 00:06:21,361 He never studied economy or accountancy, 77 00:06:21,441 --> 00:06:24,001 but still he was very good at it. 78 00:06:24,081 --> 00:06:29,081 He really could see the story in the numbers. 79 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,160 He was probably the first one 80 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:41,000 who really exposed the illegal financial flows 81 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:42,600 of Marián Kočner. 82 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,520 Thank you. Next question. 83 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:51,480 Jan Kuciak, Aktuality.sk. I want to follow up... 84 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,200 Marián Kočner was involved in every political scandal 85 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:57,920 in Slovakia of last 20 years. 86 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,840 From the end of the '90s, Mr. Kočner was well-known 87 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:07,040 for being very cynical, arrogant and threatening. 88 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,720 He was ready to threaten people 89 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,439 in a way which was typical for the '90s. 90 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:15,119 But he was becoming more and more visible, you know, 91 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:18,319 he was sticking to those habits even in times 92 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:21,319 when Slovakia became part of the European Union. 93 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:27,319 As we say, mafia guys started to wear nice ties, 94 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:30,159 and they started to use fork and a knife, 95 00:07:30,239 --> 00:07:33,079 and they were becoming, as we say, civilized. 96 00:07:33,159 --> 00:07:35,399 But Kočner sticked to his habits. 97 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:37,679 Mrs. Tódová, this is my press conference - 98 00:07:37,790 --> 00:07:40,590 and I will talk about what I want. 99 00:07:40,615 --> 00:07:43,689 This is not a conspiracy, Mrs Tódová... 100 00:07:44,959 --> 00:07:48,679 Good morning, Mr. Kočner! Will you be at the court hearing today? 101 00:07:48,958 --> 00:07:50,718 What do you think I'm here for? 102 00:07:50,798 --> 00:07:53,478 - Would you tell us... - Quite a stupid question, no offense... 103 00:07:53,558 --> 00:07:56,198 Can you tell us about the promissory notes? 104 00:07:56,278 --> 00:07:57,358 He was dangerous. 105 00:07:57,438 --> 00:07:59,309 He was scary. 106 00:07:59,334 --> 00:08:00,613 Monika Tódová. Investigative Journalist, Dennik N. 107 00:08:00,637 --> 00:08:02,598 You don't want to meet him, to talk with him. 108 00:08:02,678 --> 00:08:06,118 It was not like a nice conversation. 109 00:08:06,198 --> 00:08:07,958 It was always ugly. 110 00:08:08,038 --> 00:08:12,638 If you write the truth you will learn. 111 00:08:12,718 --> 00:08:16,078 When this is over, I'll make a presser - 112 00:08:16,278 --> 00:08:19,558 and you won't be able to twist my words as usual. 113 00:08:19,638 --> 00:08:23,798 You will learn the whole truth. It'll be a live presser. 114 00:08:23,878 --> 00:08:25,558 Alright? Until then, nothing. 115 00:08:25,638 --> 00:08:30,637 Mr. Kočner built some kind of a career on VAT frauds. 116 00:08:31,237 --> 00:08:36,237 And he was, for a really long time, untouchable. 117 00:08:49,077 --> 00:08:52,597 The last time I saw Jáno was probably in Bratislava 118 00:08:52,677 --> 00:08:57,557 in their editorial office, in Aktuality. 119 00:08:57,637 --> 00:09:02,637 We've been working on a story that actually connected 120 00:09:02,797 --> 00:09:06,076 by then Slovak Prime Minister, Robert Fico, 121 00:09:06,156 --> 00:09:10,396 to the most powerful Italian mafia, N'Drangheta. 122 00:09:10,870 --> 00:09:12,222 Peter Bárdy. Editor-in-chief, Aktuality. sk. 123 00:09:12,246 --> 00:09:16,491 So it was the first time when we connected the mafia 124 00:09:16,516 --> 00:09:18,722 with high-level politicians. 125 00:09:32,836 --> 00:09:36,596 Due to the fact that the victims did not contact their families - 126 00:09:36,676 --> 00:09:40,636 the investigation started on February 25th. 127 00:09:45,584 --> 00:09:49,343 It was Sunday. Night time. 128 00:09:49,919 --> 00:09:54,974 Two bodies lay on the floor of the home. 129 00:09:58,943 --> 00:10:00,637 Peter Juhás, Lead Police Investigator. 130 00:10:00,670 --> 00:10:04,355 My superiors assigned me to investigate the case. 131 00:10:04,809 --> 00:10:11,166 The house is an older, three-room family home - 132 00:10:11,191 --> 00:10:16,646 that was under reconstruction at the time of the act. 133 00:10:16,915 --> 00:10:21,435 The reconstruction was carried out by Ján Kuciak. 134 00:10:23,514 --> 00:10:29,274 Ján Kuciak's body was located in the basement - 135 00:10:29,354 --> 00:10:33,074 situated on the stairs to the cellar. 136 00:10:33,794 --> 00:10:36,914 The body was in a crouched position. 137 00:10:37,194 --> 00:10:41,474 Ján Kuciak was facing the stairs. 138 00:10:41,914 --> 00:10:47,434 There were gunshot wounds to his chest. 139 00:10:49,474 --> 00:10:54,874 As for the deceased Martina Kušnírová, her body was in the kitchen. 140 00:10:56,591 --> 00:11:01,631 She was lying with her head in a pool of blood. 141 00:11:03,793 --> 00:11:08,033 We found unfinished cups of coffee and tea. 142 00:11:08,473 --> 00:11:12,753 Based on this, we believe the victims - 143 00:11:13,153 --> 00:11:17,193 were enjoying coffee together that evening. 144 00:11:18,993 --> 00:11:23,313 There were open laptops on the table. 145 00:11:25,793 --> 00:11:33,793 Specifically, Martina Kušnírová was looking at wedding dresses. 146 00:11:36,033 --> 00:11:40,353 It was Monday, 6:30, about 6:30, 147 00:11:40,433 --> 00:11:44,912 and my deputy called me that in the village 148 00:11:44,992 --> 00:11:52,032 of Veľká Mača the police found two bodies of killed people. 149 00:11:52,112 --> 00:11:55,992 And Prime Minister of Internal Affairs, Mr. Kaliňák, 150 00:11:56,072 --> 00:11:58,432 called me and he said that Ján 151 00:11:58,512 --> 00:12:01,512 and his fiancée were killed, so... 152 00:12:03,512 --> 00:12:05,352 You know. 153 00:12:10,792 --> 00:12:13,272 I think we all do feel responsible 154 00:12:13,352 --> 00:12:18,632 that we could do more to protect him. 155 00:12:29,234 --> 00:12:30,748 Tibor Gašpar, President of the Police. 156 00:12:30,772 --> 00:12:34,711 Allow me to express my deepest condolences to the relatives of the victims - 157 00:12:34,991 --> 00:12:36,831 of this severe crime. 158 00:12:37,111 --> 00:12:40,791 And also to all of you who worked with him. 159 00:12:40,871 --> 00:12:43,671 And to the whole journalistic community. 160 00:12:44,911 --> 00:12:50,871 Also allow me to strictly condemn this crime, because - 161 00:12:51,351 --> 00:12:54,591 even though we experience severe crimes - 162 00:12:54,671 --> 00:13:00,150 Slovakia has not yet experienced the murder of a journalist - 163 00:13:00,670 --> 00:13:05,950 probably motivated by his investigative journalism. 164 00:13:06,990 --> 00:13:12,230 [Monica Tódová]: Mr. Gašpar, you said you would do everything to solve it. 165 00:13:12,310 --> 00:13:16,470 Why didn't the police do everything they could to prevent it? 166 00:13:16,550 --> 00:13:20,910 Ján Kuciak wrote mostly about VAT scammers and tax frauds - 167 00:13:20,990 --> 00:13:24,870 and we've been asking you about the same people for years now. 168 00:13:24,950 --> 00:13:29,830 About suspicions of tax frauds, and these people are still free. 169 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:32,990 It ended with Ján being dead today. 170 00:13:33,070 --> 00:13:37,229 With all due respect, I'm not having a discussion - 171 00:13:37,309 --> 00:13:39,949 whether the police did or didn't do something. 172 00:13:40,029 --> 00:13:42,069 That is not appropriate. 173 00:13:42,149 --> 00:13:44,749 I'll be glad to discuss it with you in the future. 174 00:13:44,829 --> 00:13:47,789 We report on tax frauds - 175 00:13:47,869 --> 00:13:50,909 but you don't investigate, so journalists write about it. 176 00:13:50,989 --> 00:13:55,269 Journalists wouldn't write so much if you did your job. 177 00:13:55,349 --> 00:13:59,029 I will not lead such a discussion with you today. 178 00:13:59,109 --> 00:14:01,669 I don't understand why we are searching for links - 179 00:14:01,749 --> 00:14:03,909 that are probably not related. 180 00:14:03,989 --> 00:14:06,949 You said that it's related to his work... 181 00:14:07,029 --> 00:14:09,429 Feel free to ask another question. 182 00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:13,149 Ján was threatened by Mr. Kočner. 183 00:14:13,229 --> 00:14:16,588 He threatened him with obtaining information on his family. 184 00:14:16,668 --> 00:14:18,308 How did you process that? 185 00:14:18,388 --> 00:14:20,908 Everything is subject to investigation... 186 00:14:20,988 --> 00:14:25,588 But how did you resolve that? It's known he was threatened. 187 00:14:25,668 --> 00:14:29,868 Once again, If I'd had this information I'd give the answer. 188 00:14:30,108 --> 00:14:32,668 No need to discuss, Ján Kuciak himself wrote - 189 00:14:32,748 --> 00:14:37,948 that he filed a complaint and the police ignored it. 190 00:14:38,108 --> 00:14:43,148 If you feel you are working on something that could endanger you - 191 00:14:43,228 --> 00:14:45,948 let's communicate about it. 192 00:14:46,028 --> 00:14:50,068 - Mr. Gašpar... - But we don't trust you! 193 00:14:50,228 --> 00:14:52,668 This wasn't even happening in the 90s. 194 00:14:52,748 --> 00:14:57,587 Although there was some intimidation, vandalism, physical attacks... 195 00:14:57,667 --> 00:15:00,147 Should journalists be afraid that - 196 00:15:00,227 --> 00:15:03,387 the 90s are back in a worse version? 197 00:15:03,587 --> 00:15:06,907 I won't give you an answer... 198 00:15:07,587 --> 00:15:12,467 It may sound a little weird after this, but we are not living in a mafia state. 199 00:15:13,547 --> 00:15:16,122 Thank you for your attention. 200 00:15:17,441 --> 00:15:20,755 The Political Fallout. Five days after the murder 201 00:15:21,677 --> 00:15:23,207 Robert Kaliñák, Minister of the Interior. 202 00:15:23,231 --> 00:15:27,419 All our teams are deployed to find as much evidence as possible. 203 00:15:27,444 --> 00:15:30,735 If the journalist's work was really the motive - 204 00:15:30,767 --> 00:15:32,155 Robert Fico, Prime Minister 205 00:15:32,180 --> 00:15:34,826 I consider it a severe attack on democracy and freedom of press. 206 00:15:34,906 --> 00:15:36,707 Thank you very much. We're going back to work. 207 00:15:36,919 --> 00:15:38,204 Igor Matovič, Leader of the Opposition. 208 00:15:38,228 --> 00:15:40,794 As we stand here we ask - 209 00:15:42,339 --> 00:15:48,099 the Police President, Tibor Gašpar, and Minister of Interior, Robert Kaliňák - 210 00:15:48,706 --> 00:15:52,266 to immediately resign. 211 00:15:52,946 --> 00:15:57,506 These people are in a conflict of interest - 212 00:15:57,586 --> 00:16:02,826 because Ján Kuciak was writing about them, their missteps and their families. 213 00:16:03,891 --> 00:16:07,291 What the opposition is doing today is absurd. 214 00:16:07,422 --> 00:16:12,422 I have never seen such abuse of a murder for political purposes. 215 00:16:12,705 --> 00:16:16,505 But of course this is the opposition. We're used to it. 216 00:16:17,225 --> 00:16:20,545 Ladies and gentlemen, in front of me lies a million euros. 217 00:16:21,465 --> 00:16:24,945 This reward is intended for a person - 218 00:16:25,625 --> 00:16:29,065 who if he has information, gains the courage - 219 00:16:29,545 --> 00:16:35,945 and comes to the police or provides information about this crime. 220 00:16:36,025 --> 00:16:40,505 A million euro on the table was really funny. 221 00:16:40,585 --> 00:16:43,705 And, I mean, we were laughing, we were horrified, 222 00:16:43,785 --> 00:16:46,025 but at the same time we were laughing. 223 00:16:46,105 --> 00:16:47,585 I believe that Robert Fico 224 00:16:47,665 --> 00:16:50,504 at that time underestimated Slovaks 225 00:16:50,584 --> 00:16:53,424 and he somehow didn't understand the cultural coat 226 00:16:53,504 --> 00:16:54,384 of this country. 227 00:16:54,464 --> 00:16:56,344 So the Prime Minister with the Minister 228 00:16:56,424 --> 00:17:00,184 of Interior actually looked like two corrupted guys, 229 00:17:00,264 --> 00:17:04,136 you know, two mafia guys, and nobody actually believed them. 230 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,704 Seven days after the murder. 231 00:17:05,729 --> 00:17:09,744 What's he thinking? Slovaks are idiots? They'll let a million euros fool them? 232 00:17:10,163 --> 00:17:14,643 It's exactly the type of dirty money that Ján Kuciak wrote about. 233 00:17:15,471 --> 00:17:19,871 Tibor Gašpar and Robert Kaliňák turned a blind eye - 234 00:17:20,104 --> 00:17:22,024 and covered for Robert Fico. 235 00:17:22,544 --> 00:17:26,304 Ján Kuciak wrote about it. Did the police's job - 236 00:17:26,424 --> 00:17:29,783 and paid with his life alongside his fiancée. 237 00:17:29,863 --> 00:17:33,303 At the time of Ján's murder, the investigation Ján 238 00:17:33,328 --> 00:17:36,444 and I were working on was still not published. 239 00:17:36,468 --> 00:17:38,076 Eight days after the murder 240 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:40,091 I thought that the story can be somehow connected 241 00:17:40,116 --> 00:17:43,383 to the murder so we decided to publish as soon as possible, 242 00:17:43,463 --> 00:17:45,703 even though it was not finished. 243 00:17:45,783 --> 00:17:47,959 "Italian mafia in Slovakia. Its tentacles reach into politics." 244 00:17:47,983 --> 00:17:49,983 We found out that. 245 00:17:50,063 --> 00:17:54,343 Prime Minister Robert Fico hired this model, 246 00:17:54,423 --> 00:17:56,343 actually a topless model, 247 00:17:56,423 --> 00:17:59,783 to be his special Supreme State Counselor. 248 00:17:59,863 --> 00:18:00,863 And we found out 249 00:18:00,903 --> 00:18:04,823 that this very young girl was a business partner 250 00:18:04,903 --> 00:18:09,902 of 'Ndrangheta members, the most powerful Italian mafia. 251 00:18:11,262 --> 00:18:14,982 "SUPREME STATE COUNSELOR" 252 00:18:16,298 --> 00:18:19,690 First Major Demonstration. Nine days after the murder. 253 00:18:24,926 --> 00:18:30,316 "AN ATTACK ON A JOURNALIST = AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US" 254 00:18:40,191 --> 00:18:44,790 Demonstrations take place across the country. 255 00:19:03,101 --> 00:19:06,621 I am proud of my colleagues in journalism - 256 00:19:07,101 --> 00:19:09,501 who have understood Ján's message - 257 00:19:10,061 --> 00:19:14,101 and are brave and determined to carry on with it. 258 00:19:15,541 --> 00:19:18,901 However, even the bravest journalists - 259 00:19:18,926 --> 00:19:21,772 are no redeemers of democracy alone. 260 00:19:21,820 --> 00:19:24,046 MAFIA GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY! 261 00:19:24,071 --> 00:19:30,860 They need you: the public, the readers, listeners and viewers - 262 00:19:31,148 --> 00:19:33,550 who are not indifferent about corruption - 263 00:19:33,575 --> 00:19:35,228 Martin M. Šimečka, Journalist 264 00:19:35,253 --> 00:19:37,146 that is devouring our democracy - 265 00:19:37,171 --> 00:19:39,738 and attacking our liberty. 266 00:19:50,780 --> 00:19:54,700 "Open the gate" "Open the gate." 267 00:19:55,460 --> 00:20:00,820 "We don't want Fico!" "We don't want Fico!" 268 00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:07,950 Andrej Kiska, President of Slovakia. 269 00:20:07,975 --> 00:20:13,299 Today, the mistrust of the people towards the state is enormous. 270 00:20:13,459 --> 00:20:17,739 Many don't trust law enforcement. 271 00:20:17,764 --> 00:20:21,324 And this mistrust has its reasons. 272 00:20:22,984 --> 00:20:28,183 We have reached a moment when we sense an arrogance of power. 273 00:20:28,779 --> 00:20:31,219 "WITH THEIR BLOOD" 274 00:20:31,579 --> 00:20:35,059 I spoke personally to Prime Minister Robert Fico. 275 00:20:35,739 --> 00:20:41,978 Unfortunately, I learned that our opinions about possible solutions - 276 00:20:42,305 --> 00:20:46,665 were and still are very different. 277 00:20:49,338 --> 00:20:53,738 Something evil is under the surface. 278 00:20:53,898 --> 00:20:58,458 Something evil is in the very fundamentals of our state. 279 00:20:58,815 --> 00:21:03,495 Today, I want to ask Mr. President a simple question. 280 00:21:04,885 --> 00:21:11,964 September 20, 2017. New York. Fifth Avenue. 281 00:21:12,891 --> 00:21:17,531 I'm asking why did the President of the Slovak Republic - 282 00:21:18,403 --> 00:21:23,603 meet privately with a person with a very suspicious name - 283 00:21:24,337 --> 00:21:26,817 Mr. Soros. 284 00:21:26,937 --> 00:21:30,377 I'm asking... I'm asking... 285 00:21:30,857 --> 00:21:33,138 - You can laugh as much as you want. - This is ridiculous! 286 00:21:33,177 --> 00:21:34,513 - I'm asking... - You are ridiculous! 287 00:21:34,537 --> 00:21:36,097 - Gentlemen, please. - I'm asking... 288 00:21:36,217 --> 00:21:42,337 What happened after the murder of the journalist and his girlfriend - 289 00:21:42,417 --> 00:21:46,577 indicates there is an attempt to totally destabilize this state. 290 00:21:46,857 --> 00:21:49,897 Thank you very much. 291 00:21:51,177 --> 00:21:52,697 What about questions? 292 00:21:52,768 --> 00:21:56,065 - Why can't we ask questions? - Because he's afraid. 293 00:21:59,193 --> 00:22:03,100 Second Major Demonstration. 16 days after the murder. 294 00:22:11,103 --> 00:22:19,103 "No more Fico!" "No more Fico!" 295 00:22:28,409 --> 00:22:30,329 I've decided - 296 00:22:30,856 --> 00:22:33,896 as Vice Prime Minister and Minister of Interior - 297 00:22:34,056 --> 00:22:35,176 to resign. 298 00:22:35,296 --> 00:22:37,736 That anger was so widespread 299 00:22:37,816 --> 00:22:42,375 that at a certain moment former prime minister understood 300 00:22:42,455 --> 00:22:45,095 that he has to do something. 301 00:22:45,295 --> 00:22:50,335 Someone started to dance on the grave of two young dead people - 302 00:22:50,815 --> 00:22:55,815 and attempted to exploit this gruesome murder as a political weapon. 303 00:22:56,655 --> 00:23:00,255 My decision to resign is an independent one. 304 00:23:00,735 --> 00:23:06,895 And the only aim of this decision is to prevent chaos and secure stability. 305 00:23:06,975 --> 00:23:09,775 He stepped down and he placed kind 306 00:23:09,855 --> 00:23:11,535 of a fake prime minister 307 00:23:11,615 --> 00:23:14,255 who he believed he would be manipulating 308 00:23:14,335 --> 00:23:17,134 to the position of prime minister. 309 00:23:28,214 --> 00:23:30,174 Gašpar played an important role 310 00:23:30,254 --> 00:23:32,014 in this mafia state, 311 00:23:32,094 --> 00:23:36,174 and those protesting demanded his resignation. 312 00:23:39,494 --> 00:23:44,334 I don't think the protests represent the opinion of the whole society. 313 00:23:44,814 --> 00:23:49,654 That means, if you were expecting me to resign today - 314 00:23:50,134 --> 00:23:53,814 I will not. I will fight this struggle to the end. 315 00:23:54,134 --> 00:23:57,173 Kuciak was murdered under your watch... 316 00:23:57,373 --> 00:24:01,173 Yes, but if we agree things weren't supervised well... 317 00:24:01,373 --> 00:24:03,493 Are you asking the general prosecutor to leave? 318 00:24:03,613 --> 00:24:05,573 Did I hear such a demand from someone? 319 00:24:06,562 --> 00:24:11,492 And he has more responsibility than I do. 320 00:24:11,719 --> 00:24:14,094 Have you ever asked such a question? 321 00:24:21,973 --> 00:24:24,133 Considering the current state of affairs - 322 00:24:24,853 --> 00:24:29,152 and the need to stabilize the situation - 323 00:24:29,192 --> 00:24:30,668 Peter Pellegrini. Newly appointed Prime Minister 324 00:24:30,692 --> 00:24:34,812 and protect the police from attacks by the media - 325 00:24:34,892 --> 00:24:37,012 and its activities being questioned. 326 00:24:37,445 --> 00:24:44,044 Me and the Police President, General Gašpar, agreed that - 327 00:24:44,699 --> 00:24:49,539 he will resign from his position as Police President. 328 00:24:51,955 --> 00:24:54,475 So, I thank everybody one more time and... 329 00:24:55,132 --> 00:24:58,772 what to say? I guess I'll see you next time. Goodbye. 330 00:25:07,452 --> 00:25:10,212 I don't think it is a coincidence 331 00:25:10,292 --> 00:25:13,491 that shortly after the resignation of the police president, 332 00:25:13,571 --> 00:25:15,651 Marián Kočner was brought into court 333 00:25:15,731 --> 00:25:18,811 for one of the frauds exposed by Jáno. 334 00:25:18,899 --> 00:25:21,699 Mr. Kočner, can you give a statement? 335 00:25:22,011 --> 00:25:24,811 What decision do you expect? 336 00:25:25,091 --> 00:25:29,251 Gentlemen, after the hearing. Excuse me. 337 00:25:29,971 --> 00:25:32,851 We will give statements after the court hearing. 338 00:25:33,331 --> 00:25:34,371 Did you hear the lawyer? 339 00:25:34,531 --> 00:25:36,371 - Won't you comment at all? - Nothing. 340 00:25:36,451 --> 00:25:39,011 I'm not sure Kočner realized 341 00:25:39,091 --> 00:25:40,451 something had changed. 342 00:25:42,691 --> 00:25:46,371 There is no connection to the murder, but Kočner was taken 343 00:25:46,451 --> 00:25:50,673 into pre-trial detention for the financial fraud. 344 00:25:54,108 --> 00:26:02,108 We ask you to commemorate Ján and Martina with one minute of silence. 345 00:26:06,930 --> 00:26:11,410 With the police president gone and Kočner in jail, 346 00:26:11,490 --> 00:26:15,770 I think Slovaks started to trust the investigators 347 00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:19,090 and the investigation into the murder of Jáno and Martina. 348 00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:36,409 I can honestly tell you that the camera footage - 349 00:26:37,009 --> 00:26:41,889 is 16 terabytes of data - 350 00:26:42,089 --> 00:26:47,889 which converts to thousands of hours of recordings - 351 00:26:48,329 --> 00:26:51,929 that were seized in the investigation. 352 00:26:53,809 --> 00:27:00,729 From the CCTV footage, we were able to identify two relevant persons - 353 00:27:01,449 --> 00:27:07,529 of which one appeared on camera at the time the act was committed. 354 00:27:08,249 --> 00:27:12,928 February 21st at 8:21PM. 355 00:27:13,768 --> 00:27:18,248 The shooting itself was carried out in utmost discretion and silence. 356 00:27:19,888 --> 00:27:26,848 Based on the time data, we were able to identify a vehicle - 357 00:27:27,088 --> 00:27:35,088 that behaved in a way that supported our hypothesis of two perpetrators. 358 00:27:38,248 --> 00:27:42,168 One being the shooter and the other being the driver. 359 00:27:45,328 --> 00:27:53,207 Once we had this vehicle, we performed a more elaborate examination - 360 00:27:53,607 --> 00:27:59,847 and we were able to specify some of the characteristics of the vehicle. 361 00:28:04,927 --> 00:28:07,527 We narrowed - 362 00:28:07,687 --> 00:28:12,527 the set of possible vehicles that could take part in the crime - 363 00:28:12,927 --> 00:28:16,727 to about 3000 vehicles - 364 00:28:17,007 --> 00:28:20,767 which we checked individually. 365 00:28:22,287 --> 00:28:27,486 We had operatives walking around neighborhoods day and night. 366 00:28:27,686 --> 00:28:33,726 People may not even know their vehicles were inspected. 367 00:28:34,726 --> 00:28:40,966 We also collected a massive amount of telecommunications data. 368 00:28:41,326 --> 00:28:48,846 We documented so-called burner phones and burner SIM cards. 369 00:28:49,006 --> 00:28:52,166 We were able to identify - 370 00:28:52,606 --> 00:28:56,606 a transmission between two burner SIM cards. 371 00:28:56,686 --> 00:29:01,846 In the next stage of the investigation, we were able to connect - 372 00:29:02,086 --> 00:29:06,725 one of these burner SIM cards - 373 00:29:07,405 --> 00:29:11,965 to a specific person who was already - 374 00:29:12,405 --> 00:29:18,765 connected to the assassination of a businessman in 2016. 375 00:29:19,725 --> 00:29:27,405 We checked this person and in the set of 3000 potential vehicles - 376 00:29:27,885 --> 00:29:35,685 we found that his father owned one of them. 377 00:29:36,245 --> 00:29:42,485 And then we took operational steps to investigate this person- 378 00:29:43,125 --> 00:29:47,484 including wiretapping. 379 00:29:49,124 --> 00:29:54,124 We were able to use telecommunications data - 380 00:29:54,204 --> 00:29:58,364 to subsequently identify a second person - 381 00:29:58,484 --> 00:30:02,364 who was using the other burner phone. 382 00:30:08,044 --> 00:30:16,044 And we also identified one more person, the middleman. 383 00:30:19,193 --> 00:30:21,860 The Raids. Seven months after the murder. 384 00:30:24,403 --> 00:30:26,803 Police, police! 385 00:30:26,883 --> 00:30:27,883 Come on, come on! 386 00:30:28,803 --> 00:30:29,963 Come with us! 387 00:30:35,283 --> 00:30:38,603 Put your hands...! Put your hands...! 388 00:30:40,803 --> 00:30:43,363 Don't move! Come down! Come down! 389 00:31:10,482 --> 00:31:12,642 Tomáš Szabó, the driver. 390 00:31:14,842 --> 00:31:19,002 Tomáš Szabó is a former police investigator. 391 00:31:20,362 --> 00:31:25,242 And because Tomáš Szabó needed someone to commit the crime 392 00:31:25,322 --> 00:31:31,242 with him, he asked his cousin, Miroslav Marček. 393 00:31:31,922 --> 00:31:34,562 Miroslav Marček is a former soldier 394 00:31:34,642 --> 00:31:40,241 who made money by being a guard on the ships close 395 00:31:40,321 --> 00:31:44,921 to Somalia, to prevent the ships from pirate attacks. 396 00:31:45,001 --> 00:31:47,201 He was the one who pulled the trigger 397 00:31:47,281 --> 00:31:51,641 and shot both Jáno and Martina. 398 00:32:07,361 --> 00:32:10,669 This is the room Ján and I shared growing up. 399 00:32:10,694 --> 00:32:12,264 Jozef Kuciak, Ján's Brother. 400 00:32:12,289 --> 00:32:14,644 It's changed a bit. When we were kids - 401 00:32:14,669 --> 00:32:17,888 the beds were separated with a table in between. 402 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,240 This was my table by the window and this was Ján's. 403 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,240 We did homework over there on the computer in the evenings. 404 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:31,640 The room was divided by posters, on one side there were his... 405 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,480 Manchester. And the bands he liked. 406 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,280 On the other side were mine. 407 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,480 In the middle we put posters that united us. 408 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,480 Here are the artists from every genre. 409 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,040 It was like the connection of the two walls. 410 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,079 Every mom worries about her children. 411 00:32:59,439 --> 00:33:02,999 I was scared. When she was 15 years old - 412 00:33:03,439 --> 00:33:10,399 my husband died. And she got a summer job at the lake without my permission. 413 00:33:10,639 --> 00:33:14,439 And all sorts of mobsters went there, and - 414 00:33:14,679 --> 00:33:17,839 the manager liked her because she wasn't afraid. 415 00:33:17,959 --> 00:33:19,599 The other girls, when those men - 416 00:33:19,999 --> 00:33:24,199 pissed under the tables, the other girls left - 417 00:33:24,479 --> 00:33:30,519 but she scolded them and gave them a mop to clean it up. 418 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:35,119 She would stand up for herself, in spite of everything. 419 00:33:51,838 --> 00:33:58,798 Of course they wanted a family. Martina joked about a big family and many animals. 420 00:33:59,118 --> 00:34:03,678 And she bickered with Ján whether the animals would stay outside or inside. 421 00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:07,478 She wanted them to stay inside. 422 00:34:08,118 --> 00:34:11,758 It was cute, how they used to bicker. 423 00:34:12,238 --> 00:34:16,277 She had it all planned out, where the cats and dogs will stay. 424 00:34:16,597 --> 00:34:20,917 - And they were supposed to get married... - In May. 425 00:34:21,157 --> 00:34:23,157 May 2018. 426 00:34:35,797 --> 00:34:38,957 Should we be talking? 427 00:34:41,437 --> 00:34:43,437 Shall I make a concert for you? 428 00:34:44,589 --> 00:34:47,917 Roman Kvasnica, Lawyer representing Martina's family. 429 00:34:54,996 --> 00:35:02,996 I personally met Mrs Kušnírová after the murder in May, 2018. 430 00:35:09,515 --> 00:35:11,932 Daniel Lipšic, Lawyer representing Ján's family 431 00:35:11,956 --> 00:35:13,956 I remember, after meeting the parents 432 00:35:14,036 --> 00:35:16,556 and the siblings of Ján Kuciak, 433 00:35:16,636 --> 00:35:18,916 it was still winter when I came out 434 00:35:18,996 --> 00:35:20,716 and went to my car, it started snowing 435 00:35:20,796 --> 00:35:27,956 and it was a very strong emotional meeting for me. 436 00:35:28,036 --> 00:35:30,796 We are on the side of prosecution 437 00:35:30,876 --> 00:35:33,715 and so the injured party is entitled 438 00:35:33,795 --> 00:35:35,715 to have legal representation. 439 00:35:35,795 --> 00:35:38,995 I think there were some very good investigators involved 440 00:35:39,075 --> 00:35:41,915 in the case and very good prosecutors as well. 441 00:35:41,995 --> 00:35:44,795 And it led to results. 442 00:35:47,835 --> 00:35:49,555 The first to cooperate 443 00:35:49,635 --> 00:35:52,995 with law enforcement was Zoltán Andruskó. 444 00:35:53,075 --> 00:35:58,035 Zoltán Andruskó was pizzeria owner. 445 00:35:58,115 --> 00:36:01,835 And he knew Szabó and Marček and approached them 446 00:36:01,915 --> 00:36:06,275 with this offer to murder Ján Kuciak 447 00:36:06,355 --> 00:36:08,555 for a certain sum of money. 448 00:36:08,635 --> 00:36:12,394 He started cooperating right after their arrest 449 00:36:12,474 --> 00:36:15,114 in late September 2018. 450 00:36:15,194 --> 00:36:20,794 And he was able to point to Alena Zsuzsová, 451 00:36:20,874 --> 00:36:25,554 who was detained 24 hours after him. 452 00:36:27,354 --> 00:36:30,274 Because he was hired by Alena Zsuzsová 453 00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:33,714 to actually take the deal. 454 00:36:36,154 --> 00:36:38,314 She was a mystery. 455 00:36:38,674 --> 00:36:41,394 Really long black hair. 456 00:36:41,994 --> 00:36:45,954 And she was kind of hiding. 457 00:36:54,673 --> 00:36:59,873 Alena Zsuzsová connects us to Marián Kočner. 458 00:37:02,513 --> 00:37:05,313 She got this request for murder 459 00:37:05,393 --> 00:37:08,553 of Ján Kuciak from Marián Kočner. 460 00:37:08,633 --> 00:37:11,193 None of the other defendants had any motive. 461 00:37:11,273 --> 00:37:16,633 The only person that had a motive was Marián Kočner. 462 00:37:16,713 --> 00:37:20,673 And the motive was that Ján Kuciak wrote extensively 463 00:37:20,753 --> 00:37:25,033 about his economic criminal activity. 464 00:37:25,113 --> 00:37:31,192 I started watching their communication at a press conference made by Mr Kočner. 465 00:37:31,752 --> 00:37:33,992 I think sometime in 2017. 466 00:37:34,472 --> 00:37:39,552 Ján Kuciak, Aktuality. I want to follow up... 467 00:37:40,432 --> 00:37:46,512 And there I saw that Ján Kuciak asked questions that completely pushed - 468 00:37:46,632 --> 00:37:51,072 figuratively speaking, Kočner into the corner, he could not answer his questions. 469 00:37:51,632 --> 00:37:57,752 I saw that Ján Kuciak had secured information about his possible VAT fraud. 470 00:37:59,672 --> 00:38:05,072 And that irritated him. And could have been the reason - 471 00:38:05,432 --> 00:38:10,631 why Marián Kočner might want to get rid of this young boy. 472 00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:15,231 - What's your relation to... - You've asked enough questions... 473 00:38:15,311 --> 00:38:17,431 You've asked three, thank you. 474 00:38:17,871 --> 00:38:19,111 Please next. 475 00:38:19,711 --> 00:38:22,311 Kočner hated Ján Kuciak. 476 00:38:22,391 --> 00:38:27,311 He had to hate him because Ján was the only real enemy 477 00:38:27,391 --> 00:38:30,631 of Kočner's activities. 478 00:38:31,391 --> 00:38:33,671 What suspicions do you have about my business? 479 00:38:33,791 --> 00:38:37,271 Well, you're accused of economic crimes. 480 00:38:37,351 --> 00:38:38,751 - Mr. Kuciak. - Yes? 481 00:38:38,911 --> 00:38:43,231 You're not a journalist, you're just a hired hack. 482 00:38:43,311 --> 00:38:45,870 You're far from being a journalist. 483 00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:48,390 Can I say something? 484 00:38:48,510 --> 00:38:51,070 Yes, Mr. Kuciak. I'm listening. 485 00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:55,550 Everything I've written, whether about you or not - 486 00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:57,390 is based on public records. 487 00:38:57,510 --> 00:39:00,670 Be sure that I'll give you - 488 00:39:00,790 --> 00:39:04,390 my special attention. To you personally, Mr. Kuciak. 489 00:39:04,510 --> 00:39:07,350 - Is this a threat? - No, why? 490 00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:09,350 I don't know why you're saying that. 491 00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:14,590 I'm telling you calmly I'll pay special attention to you - 492 00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:18,470 you personally, your mother, your father and your siblings. 493 00:39:18,590 --> 00:39:25,309 As soon as I find any dirt. Any missteps - 494 00:39:25,469 --> 00:39:27,869 on you, or anyone in your family - 495 00:39:27,949 --> 00:39:31,629 I will publish it in the same way as you do. 496 00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:36,229 - I hope I won't be there. - Believe me, you will. Goodbye. 497 00:39:40,909 --> 00:39:44,669 I think we just underestimated the situation 498 00:39:44,749 --> 00:39:47,349 and the power of Kočner. 499 00:39:47,429 --> 00:39:51,229 And, you know, he... 500 00:39:51,709 --> 00:39:53,269 After the call with Kočner, 501 00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:58,189 when Kočner was threatening him, he called me. 502 00:39:59,869 --> 00:40:02,068 And we just made fun of it, you know, like, 503 00:40:02,908 --> 00:40:05,108 "Ha ha ha, he's going to collect dirt on you, 504 00:40:05,188 --> 00:40:07,668 that's impossible." 505 00:40:09,588 --> 00:40:14,588 I should've probably evaluated it better. 506 00:40:14,668 --> 00:40:21,588 Kočner, he's for me something like a concentration 507 00:40:21,668 --> 00:40:25,148 of all bad things in the society. 508 00:40:26,828 --> 00:40:29,148 I hate him, you know. 509 00:40:32,228 --> 00:40:36,948 The breakthrough in the investigation was Peter Tóth. 510 00:40:37,007 --> 00:40:41,827 He was Kočner's confidant and kind of right-hand man 511 00:40:41,907 --> 00:40:45,425 for many kinds of dirty jobs for many years. 512 00:40:45,450 --> 00:40:47,043 Peter Tóth, Former Information Service Officer 513 00:40:47,067 --> 00:40:52,067 Peter Tóth said he started to believe Kočner was involved 514 00:40:52,227 --> 00:40:55,107 in the murder after the arrest of Zsuzsová 515 00:40:55,187 --> 00:40:58,307 and he wanted to come clean. 516 00:40:58,907 --> 00:41:02,707 So what Tóth did was he packed a car 517 00:41:02,787 --> 00:41:06,387 with the evidence Kočner wanted him to keep safe 518 00:41:06,467 --> 00:41:09,387 and he brought it to the police, 519 00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:13,027 including two of Kočner's iPhones. 520 00:41:13,107 --> 00:41:16,387 This led police to search Kočner's home 521 00:41:16,467 --> 00:41:20,106 while he was still detained for the financial fraud. 522 00:41:50,986 --> 00:41:54,186 The police discovered a key piece of evidence. 523 00:41:54,266 --> 00:42:00,145 It was hidden in the safe room, and it was a USB key. 524 00:42:00,225 --> 00:42:03,185 And it really helped the investigators 525 00:42:03,265 --> 00:42:07,905 to charge Marián Kočner with ordering the murder of Ján. 526 00:42:31,799 --> 00:42:33,560 Marek Para, Marián Kočner's defense lawyer. 527 00:42:33,585 --> 00:42:34,905 May I have sunglasses? 528 00:42:34,985 --> 00:42:36,225 [Filmmaker] Oh, yeah. 529 00:42:36,305 --> 00:42:37,544 It's OK? 530 00:42:44,304 --> 00:42:46,624 Everybody has enough space? 531 00:42:50,624 --> 00:42:52,464 Uh, social life? 532 00:42:53,224 --> 00:42:54,544 Off-the-record. 533 00:42:54,624 --> 00:43:01,104 My social life ended about June 2018. 534 00:43:01,184 --> 00:43:03,264 You have to keep your secrets. 535 00:43:04,104 --> 00:43:07,624 And you cannot trust even other lawyers, 536 00:43:08,184 --> 00:43:12,944 'cause a friend today can be an enemy tomorrow. 537 00:43:13,944 --> 00:43:16,503 I do not trust people as before. 538 00:43:16,583 --> 00:43:22,303 And it's also a problem when you go to a lunch or a coffee 539 00:43:22,383 --> 00:43:24,503 and everybody wants to talk about it. 540 00:43:24,583 --> 00:43:27,703 The society and the people 541 00:43:30,503 --> 00:43:35,583 see you as a very close person to Mr. Kočner. 542 00:43:38,623 --> 00:43:40,039 [Filmmaker] Can we go back on the record? 543 00:43:40,063 --> 00:43:41,703 Yes, you can use what you want. 544 00:43:42,783 --> 00:43:43,703 From the beginnings 545 00:43:43,783 --> 00:43:47,423 in this case I considered every possibility. 546 00:43:47,503 --> 00:43:50,663 I spent hours and hours studying the case file, 547 00:43:50,743 --> 00:43:54,022 talking with my client and... 548 00:43:54,822 --> 00:43:57,302 I wanted really to find out the truth. 549 00:43:57,382 --> 00:43:59,342 Step by step, more and more, 550 00:43:59,422 --> 00:44:01,702 when I could study the case file, 551 00:44:01,782 --> 00:44:04,542 I was convinced that he is... 552 00:44:05,382 --> 00:44:07,262 That he's innocent. 553 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,889 “Please be available...” Unknown Number. 554 00:44:30,913 --> 00:44:33,941 At the beginning of October, 2019, 555 00:44:34,014 --> 00:44:38,054 I was on my way to the office, and I received a message, 556 00:44:38,141 --> 00:44:41,461 something like, "Please be available." 557 00:44:41,821 --> 00:44:48,701 And then I received a call offering me and explaining me that... 558 00:44:49,621 --> 00:44:52,021 "We want to give you a copy 559 00:44:52,101 --> 00:44:57,501 of the police investigation file with all the annexes." 560 00:44:58,301 --> 00:45:00,341 70 terabytes. 561 00:45:00,421 --> 00:45:02,821 Seven zero. 562 00:45:03,581 --> 00:45:06,861 It wasn't just the murder case police file 563 00:45:06,941 --> 00:45:11,540 that was so exciting, it's an exact copy of the cell phones 564 00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:15,700 of Marián Kočner and his computers. 565 00:45:15,780 --> 00:45:20,060 I asked the source for the motivation of giving me the data, 566 00:45:20,140 --> 00:45:21,980 and the explanation convinced me 567 00:45:22,060 --> 00:45:25,260 because it was before elections, 568 00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:29,220 and if the recent ruling party will win the election, 569 00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:33,860 everyone who even touched the data is going to be damned. 570 00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:38,580 The source was afraid that the data would disappear, 571 00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:43,660 so we would like to have it abroad, out of Slovakia. 572 00:45:44,060 --> 00:45:46,420 And there was like this ego in me, like, 573 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:50,419 "Yeah, I'm going to publish excellent stories from this data 574 00:45:50,499 --> 00:45:52,779 and I'm going to be the only one." 575 00:45:52,859 --> 00:45:59,219 But then I decided I'm not going to do it this way. 576 00:45:59,299 --> 00:46:02,539 We had this idea that we needed to create a team 577 00:46:02,619 --> 00:46:06,819 that would trust each other and would cover all kinds 578 00:46:06,899 --> 00:46:10,499 of media, you know, dailies, weeklies, TVs, 579 00:46:10,579 --> 00:46:14,619 to get full access to the data. 580 00:46:14,939 --> 00:46:17,299 So we came with the idea 581 00:46:17,379 --> 00:46:23,419 that we will have one super secure room in Bratislava. 582 00:46:23,699 --> 00:46:25,619 There won't be the data, 583 00:46:25,699 --> 00:46:29,298 but there will be computers specially designed 584 00:46:29,378 --> 00:46:31,818 to access the server. 585 00:46:32,858 --> 00:46:36,098 And we are not going to tell anyone where is the server, 586 00:46:36,178 --> 00:46:40,578 not to be able to attack it, to steal it, to take it down. 587 00:46:41,738 --> 00:46:44,418 We called it, well, we didn't call it, 588 00:46:44,498 --> 00:46:47,898 it got a nickname, "Kočner's Library." 589 00:46:50,610 --> 00:46:53,764 Kočner's Library is basically this small room. 590 00:46:53,789 --> 00:46:55,357 Júlia Zelenková. Journalist, TV JOJ. 591 00:46:55,381 --> 00:46:56,901 It's without any daylight. 592 00:46:56,926 --> 00:46:58,326 It's white and gray. 593 00:46:58,351 --> 00:46:59,404 It's ugly. 594 00:46:59,429 --> 00:47:03,593 But the benefit is you can more concentrate on your work. 595 00:47:03,618 --> 00:47:05,898 We didn't know what we are going to find there, 596 00:47:05,978 --> 00:47:12,217 but this data could lead us to new cases of corruption 597 00:47:12,297 --> 00:47:16,497 that could totally shake Slovakia. 598 00:47:16,577 --> 00:47:19,577 Here are the devices from Miroslav Marček, 599 00:47:19,657 --> 00:47:21,537 which is the shooter. 600 00:47:22,657 --> 00:47:25,937 Tomáš Szabó, which was the driver. 601 00:47:28,217 --> 00:47:30,887 And we have Zolton Andruskó, which was the middleman, basically. 602 00:47:30,912 --> 00:47:32,434 Peter Sabo. Journalist, Aktuality. sk. 603 00:47:32,459 --> 00:47:34,821 And, yeah, we have also Alena Zsuzsová. 604 00:47:34,921 --> 00:47:39,521 As you can see, we have SIM cards, tablets, computers, 605 00:47:39,617 --> 00:47:44,057 and also other people that has been somehow investigated. 606 00:47:44,137 --> 00:47:47,976 There are two most important devices 607 00:47:48,056 --> 00:47:53,176 that so far revealed the inner-life of Marián Kočner, 608 00:47:53,256 --> 00:47:58,296 and those are two iPhones: K1 and K2. 609 00:47:58,936 --> 00:48:02,296 These are all the messages from the phone. 610 00:48:02,376 --> 00:48:07,536 It comes really back to the year 2012 up to 2018, 611 00:48:07,616 --> 00:48:11,136 so it's six years worth of communication. 612 00:48:11,216 --> 00:48:14,576 Tens of thousands of messages. 613 00:48:15,016 --> 00:48:19,136 It's basically a reflection of his virtual life. 614 00:48:19,216 --> 00:48:21,056 The inner life of Marián Kočner 615 00:48:21,136 --> 00:48:25,375 and how actually he was ruling Slovakia in a way. 616 00:48:26,895 --> 00:48:31,375 We knew that the country is corrupted. 617 00:48:31,455 --> 00:48:36,415 Now, after obtaining those data, we could prove 618 00:48:36,495 --> 00:48:39,015 the justice system failed, 619 00:48:39,095 --> 00:48:41,335 we could prove the police is corrupted, 620 00:48:41,415 --> 00:48:43,375 the judges are corrupted, 621 00:48:43,455 --> 00:48:49,095 the general prosecutor was a personal friend of someone 622 00:48:49,175 --> 00:48:53,055 who ordered assassination of a journalist. 623 00:48:53,135 --> 00:48:55,655 It was all there. 624 00:48:58,084 --> 00:49:01,476 The Assassin's Confession. 14 months after the murder. 625 00:49:11,374 --> 00:49:14,894 By the time we arrived, it was already dark. 626 00:49:18,614 --> 00:49:23,894 He dropped me off near the apartment building. 627 00:49:25,414 --> 00:49:31,014 On the left was an empty playing field. 628 00:49:32,574 --> 00:49:36,894 I had the gun. It was a 9mm Luger. 629 00:49:40,014 --> 00:49:43,253 As I was walking along the field - 630 00:49:46,013 --> 00:49:48,373 along the pub or whatever it is - 631 00:49:48,493 --> 00:49:54,813 - Bar? - Bar or something. Its lights were on. 632 00:50:08,093 --> 00:50:11,333 Behind the building, the pavement finished. 633 00:50:14,413 --> 00:50:17,653 And there was a dirt path with the grass trodden down. 634 00:50:18,853 --> 00:50:22,092 And this led to a hole in the fence. 635 00:50:25,292 --> 00:50:29,452 Through the hole I emerged on a path. 636 00:50:36,252 --> 00:50:38,612 This entire walk could have taken - 637 00:50:39,932 --> 00:50:42,732 five or six minutes. 638 00:50:59,451 --> 00:51:03,171 There was nobody home. 639 00:51:06,691 --> 00:51:10,491 I walked into the yard, the gate was unlocked. 640 00:51:12,451 --> 00:51:20,451 I waited in the garden shed or whatever it's called, the annex. 641 00:51:25,651 --> 00:51:30,851 I was waiting for quite a long time, about an hour and a half, until - 642 00:51:32,091 --> 00:51:33,931 they got back home. 643 00:51:36,051 --> 00:51:39,090 I could see two people, he was there with his girlfriend. 644 00:51:40,210 --> 00:51:42,810 I didn't leave the annex. 645 00:51:42,930 --> 00:51:44,890 Not until - 646 00:51:45,010 --> 00:51:49,690 his girlfriend went to the toilet. That's when I decided to act. 647 00:52:04,650 --> 00:52:07,370 Boom! That was the first shot. 648 00:52:07,610 --> 00:52:10,330 OK. Do the experts have questions? 649 00:52:10,450 --> 00:52:13,450 - We could measure the height. - We measure the height, OK? 650 00:52:14,170 --> 00:52:16,170 We can stop recording. 651 00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:20,209 He hit the wall with his back. 652 00:52:20,409 --> 00:52:24,009 He fell to the ground. I was already focused on the woman... 653 00:52:24,409 --> 00:52:27,329 - Which wall do you mean? - Over there. 654 00:52:27,489 --> 00:52:29,729 One second, please. 655 00:52:32,009 --> 00:52:34,569 Get down on your knees. 656 00:52:35,129 --> 00:52:38,129 I don't know where his hands were. Not in front of him for sure. 657 00:52:38,249 --> 00:52:39,649 Put them under you. 658 00:52:39,769 --> 00:52:43,689 Or beside you. But his legs were bent, not straight. 659 00:52:44,129 --> 00:52:46,489 - Like a frog. - Like this? 660 00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:48,849 - No, his knees were higher. - Higher? 661 00:52:48,969 --> 00:52:51,809 - His knees were under him. - Like this? 662 00:52:52,369 --> 00:52:54,849 Yes, like this. 663 00:52:55,248 --> 00:52:58,208 I went on... 664 00:53:01,328 --> 00:53:05,808 Perhaps right here I cocked it once or twice. 665 00:53:08,048 --> 00:53:11,368 Was the shot aimed for the head? 666 00:53:11,648 --> 00:53:16,688 The head. I aimed with the suppressor. 667 00:53:16,928 --> 00:53:20,168 Was the hand straight or beside the body? 668 00:53:21,728 --> 00:53:23,048 At this position, maybe. 669 00:53:23,168 --> 00:53:25,008 - Aimed at the head? - Aimed at the head. 670 00:53:26,288 --> 00:53:30,608 The victim fell to her knees. And she fell back. 671 00:53:30,928 --> 00:53:33,408 - Like this? - Something like that. 672 00:53:33,528 --> 00:53:36,087 - Where were her hands and feet? - I don't know that. 673 00:53:36,327 --> 00:53:39,247 Did she react to the shot? 674 00:53:39,527 --> 00:53:42,407 She didn't react at all. I saw her being hit. 675 00:53:42,767 --> 00:53:44,767 Where to? 676 00:53:45,047 --> 00:53:46,967 I guess somewhere around here. I'm not sure. 677 00:53:47,207 --> 00:53:49,367 - Somewhere near the nose? - I guess so. 678 00:53:49,527 --> 00:53:51,287 Okay. So, no gurgling or coughing... 679 00:53:51,367 --> 00:53:55,887 No. I turned around and left. I didn't spend much time here. 680 00:53:55,967 --> 00:53:57,287 You didn't even check if... 681 00:53:57,367 --> 00:54:00,887 - No. I saw the hit. - You saw the hit. 682 00:54:01,407 --> 00:54:03,247 Okay, we can stop the recording. 683 00:54:06,487 --> 00:54:10,367 May I add one more thing? 684 00:54:10,487 --> 00:54:13,606 I'd like to apologize to the families - 685 00:54:14,206 --> 00:54:18,446 but I've been told it's done like this - 686 00:54:18,726 --> 00:54:22,086 not by writing a personal letter or something. 687 00:54:23,806 --> 00:54:28,526 I cannot forbid you from writing a letter. If you want this on the record... 688 00:54:28,926 --> 00:54:33,126 I would like to apologize to the Kuciak and Kušnírová families. 689 00:54:33,446 --> 00:54:34,926 For what we have done. 690 00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:51,085 That's it really. I know it can't fix what we have done. 691 00:54:51,645 --> 00:54:56,365 It cannot be undone, but at least I'd like to apologize to them. 692 00:55:07,605 --> 00:55:10,645 - That's it? - Yes. 693 00:55:22,045 --> 00:55:25,845 The trial takes place before three professional judges. 694 00:55:26,462 --> 00:55:29,362 The Trial Begins. 22 months after the murder. 695 00:55:43,164 --> 00:55:48,164 Five people have been charged with the murder of Ján Kuciak. 696 00:55:49,524 --> 00:55:51,764 Marček was the hit man. 697 00:55:51,844 --> 00:55:56,724 He made a guilty plea at the start of the trial. 698 00:55:58,244 --> 00:56:02,204 Then Zoltán Andruskó, he went into plea-bargaining 699 00:56:02,284 --> 00:56:06,964 and eventually was sentenced to 15 years' imprisonment. 700 00:56:07,044 --> 00:56:12,323 And then the three others, they entered a plea of not-guilty 701 00:56:12,403 --> 00:56:15,243 at the beginning of the trial: Marián Kočner, Alena Zsuzsová 702 00:56:15,323 --> 00:56:17,563 and Tomáš Zsabo. 703 00:56:26,483 --> 00:56:29,963 It's difficult to talk. We'll have a rough day. 704 00:56:30,323 --> 00:56:35,363 We hope the process will be orderly. Secretly we were hoping - 705 00:56:35,603 --> 00:56:38,243 they would not show up today - 706 00:56:38,363 --> 00:56:41,803 that they wouldn't be here... but they will. 707 00:56:41,963 --> 00:56:46,563 Seeing the accused in person is not easy. 708 00:57:20,562 --> 00:57:24,482 People were on the squares in 2018 because they felt 709 00:57:24,562 --> 00:57:29,081 that there is no justice in this country. 710 00:57:29,881 --> 00:57:34,881 So the legacy of the decision of the court may be 711 00:57:35,001 --> 00:57:37,801 that people will start, slowly, 712 00:57:37,881 --> 00:57:41,161 to feel that justice is coming back. 713 00:57:41,241 --> 00:57:44,321 That may be the legacy of the outcome of the trial. 714 00:57:45,321 --> 00:57:47,401 I do believe that Mr. Kočner is guilty 715 00:57:47,481 --> 00:57:49,961 of ordering the murder. 716 00:57:50,161 --> 00:57:54,841 His guilt will be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court. 717 00:57:55,721 --> 00:57:58,681 I respect the presumption of innocence. 718 00:57:59,721 --> 00:58:03,521 Though I believe the charges are justified - 719 00:58:03,641 --> 00:58:10,320 and the evidence proves the guilt of Mr. Kočner. 720 00:58:15,062 --> 00:58:17,184 Kočner's Library. 721 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,600 And it's not just Kočner who is interesting, 722 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:26,360 but also his honey-trapper, Alena Zsuzsová. 723 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:33,040 Alena Zsuzsová is probably most renowned for her role 724 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:40,600 of being a honey trap collecting kompromat for Marián Kočner. 725 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:45,199 Hi, tiger. 726 00:58:45,279 --> 00:58:50,079 Teach me, tiger, how to kiss you. 727 00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,559 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa 728 00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:54,879 Alena Zsuzsová was taking pictures 729 00:58:54,959 --> 00:58:57,839 from the internet of models 730 00:58:57,919 --> 00:59:02,119 and she photoshopped her face to their bodies. 731 00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:03,719 Teach me first. 732 00:59:03,799 --> 00:59:08,799 Teach me what to do. 733 00:59:09,879 --> 00:59:14,879 Touch me, tiger, when I'm close to you. 734 00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:18,079 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 735 00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:23,158 Help me, tiger, I don't know what to do. 736 00:59:23,238 --> 00:59:25,558 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 737 00:59:25,638 --> 00:59:29,758 So Alena Zsuzsová created a fake profile on social media. 738 00:59:29,838 --> 00:59:32,958 She started conversations with important men, 739 00:59:33,038 --> 00:59:36,558 politicians or prosecutors for example. 740 00:59:36,638 --> 00:59:37,558 We have the evidence 741 00:59:37,638 --> 00:59:41,958 that she was successful honeytrapping those powerful people 742 00:59:42,038 --> 00:59:46,398 because she was forwarding those messages, including some 743 00:59:46,478 --> 00:59:49,798 of the very intimate pictures, to Marián Kočner. 744 00:59:49,878 --> 00:59:54,158 So here is the list of all the politicians. 745 00:59:54,238 --> 00:59:57,238 Different political parties, some of them were members 746 00:59:57,318 --> 01:00:00,797 of parliament, some of them were ex-ministers. 747 01:00:00,877 --> 01:00:02,797 The biggest enemies 748 01:00:02,877 --> 01:00:08,637 of Marián Kočner were called "Sheep Class One" 749 01:00:08,997 --> 01:00:12,077 and she got some sum of amount when she got the kompromat. 750 01:00:12,157 --> 01:00:14,277 Then there were "Second Class Sheep" 751 01:00:14,357 --> 01:00:15,597 and "Third Class Sheep." 752 01:00:15,677 --> 01:00:19,797 Sometimes they even exchanged pictures, nude pictures, 753 01:00:19,877 --> 01:00:24,677 or even videos, for example videos of masturbation. 754 01:00:25,397 --> 01:00:28,157 She says she has another picture of a penis 755 01:00:28,237 --> 01:00:30,477 in her collection and she asks him, 756 01:00:31,557 --> 01:00:34,917 "Are you sure you want to see 'it'? I warn you... 757 01:00:35,037 --> 01:00:40,596 I've never seen an uglier one. It almost made me throw up." 758 01:00:40,996 --> 01:00:44,596 And we have recording of her phone call 759 01:00:44,676 --> 01:00:50,036 with Speaker of Parliament Andrej Danko. 760 01:00:51,676 --> 01:00:58,796 I could leave the car at the parking lot at the airport. 761 01:00:58,916 --> 01:01:03,116 I can't wait a second more. Lots of kisses, all over you. 762 01:01:03,236 --> 01:01:05,316 Uh huh, same here. 763 01:01:05,436 --> 01:01:09,396 Not more than me. Finally you'll be mine for the whole night. 764 01:01:09,516 --> 01:01:14,236 Well, I hope we survive that. 765 01:01:14,356 --> 01:01:16,356 Are you looking forward to it? 766 01:01:16,476 --> 01:01:17,915 Sure thing. 767 01:01:18,035 --> 01:01:22,755 We both know it's been a long time... 768 01:01:24,395 --> 01:01:27,875 So lots of kisses and see each other on Monday? 769 01:01:27,955 --> 01:01:29,715 Okay, I'm looking forward. 770 01:01:29,795 --> 01:01:32,755 Well, lots of kisses. Take care and have a nice day! 771 01:01:33,995 --> 01:01:36,555 They even tried to manage the date, 772 01:01:36,635 --> 01:01:39,995 but she always canceled the date like a few hours 773 01:01:40,075 --> 01:01:42,915 before they were supposed to meet. 774 01:01:43,875 --> 01:01:46,075 Miss Zsuzsová was a person 775 01:01:46,155 --> 01:01:50,555 who had a very long relationship with Marián Kočner. 776 01:01:50,995 --> 01:01:53,315 She probably was involved in all sorts 777 01:01:53,395 --> 01:01:55,915 of activities in his favor. 778 01:01:55,995 --> 01:01:58,394 But nobody knew about the relationship. 779 01:01:58,474 --> 01:01:59,954 Nobody knew about it. 780 01:02:00,034 --> 01:02:05,234 But it is clear that it was a very close and clandestine, 781 01:02:05,314 --> 01:02:07,154 I would think, relationship. 782 01:02:07,234 --> 01:02:12,514 He had probably total trust in her, 783 01:02:12,914 --> 01:02:14,834 and from the communication we have, 784 01:02:14,914 --> 01:02:17,634 it is clear that she adored him. 785 01:02:17,714 --> 01:02:21,514 She sent every single morning to Marián Kočner message, 786 01:02:21,594 --> 01:02:23,194 "You are my king." 787 01:02:23,274 --> 01:02:24,394 "You are the best." 788 01:02:24,474 --> 01:02:26,074 "You are the biggest." 789 01:02:26,154 --> 01:02:29,514 So she was for him like a drug, like a magical mirror 790 01:02:29,594 --> 01:02:33,194 from the fairy tale about seven dwarfs. 791 01:02:36,233 --> 01:02:39,713 And from her side it was really a man 792 01:02:39,793 --> 01:02:43,353 that she could count on to support her 793 01:02:43,433 --> 01:02:46,273 and her daughter for many, many years. 794 01:02:46,353 --> 01:02:50,953 I don't think she will ever betray him. 795 01:02:51,513 --> 01:02:55,353 And I think she was able to do anything 796 01:02:55,433 --> 01:02:57,193 if he asked her to do it. 797 01:02:58,633 --> 01:03:01,833 - We're recording? - Yes. 798 01:03:01,993 --> 01:03:04,913 The accused Mr. Andruskó is still at the toilet. 799 01:03:10,033 --> 01:03:12,113 Come in. 800 01:03:13,353 --> 01:03:15,272 Mr. Andruskó, you sit here. 801 01:03:15,472 --> 01:03:18,672 - Good afternoon. - Your lawyer will be next to you. 802 01:03:32,712 --> 01:03:37,552 The first question is for Mr. Andruskó. Do you know the accused? 803 01:03:37,672 --> 01:03:39,672 Yes, I do. 804 01:03:39,872 --> 01:03:44,032 I've known her for eight or nine years. 805 01:03:44,512 --> 01:03:47,192 We met on the Internet. 806 01:03:47,752 --> 01:03:50,992 Mrs. Zsuzsová, do you know the accused? 807 01:03:51,312 --> 01:03:54,991 Yes, I do. 808 01:03:55,911 --> 01:04:01,751 When and how did you get the order to murder Ján Kuciak? 809 01:04:02,311 --> 01:04:10,311 I got the order from Mrs. Zsuzsová in the winter of 2018. 810 01:04:11,431 --> 01:04:17,431 I was at her place and she brought a laptop. 811 01:04:17,711 --> 01:04:21,271 - Where in her place? - We were in my car. 812 01:04:21,791 --> 01:04:27,311 - So, she got into your car? - She got into my car. 813 01:04:28,151 --> 01:04:31,670 She inserted a USB drive into her computer. 814 01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:34,790 "She inserted a USB drive..." 815 01:04:34,910 --> 01:04:38,190 Then she opened a file named "Kuciak." 816 01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:40,830 - Kuciak? - Kuciak. 817 01:04:41,830 --> 01:04:46,990 - There were photos of Kuciak. - What did you see in those photos? 818 01:04:47,110 --> 01:04:51,870 His daily routine. How he got up, went to work - 819 01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:56,430 how he left work for a coffee break. 820 01:04:57,670 --> 01:05:04,830 I could see the address, house and license plate on the photos. 821 01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:14,709 She said Kuciak should be taken out, that her fortune teller had advised her. 822 01:05:16,629 --> 01:05:20,669 Don't react! "her fortune teller had advised her." 823 01:05:21,389 --> 01:05:23,549 I'm speaking to you. I'm looking into your eyes. 824 01:05:23,709 --> 01:05:25,429 Well, sorry, but I... 825 01:05:25,549 --> 01:05:28,829 - Excuse me, just write down your notes. - Sure. 826 01:05:28,949 --> 01:05:30,469 He is speaking to me. 827 01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:36,029 React to the fact that Mr. Andruskó has identified you - 828 01:05:36,149 --> 01:05:40,509 as the person who ordered Kuciak's murder. 829 01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:43,829 Yes. That's absolutely absurd... 830 01:05:44,469 --> 01:05:46,709 Never in my life - 831 01:05:48,189 --> 01:05:53,028 have I seen any files on surveilling Kuciak. 832 01:05:53,508 --> 01:05:57,988 And I definitely didn't show him any on a laptop - 833 01:05:58,268 --> 01:06:02,468 because I don't have one and I'm technologically illiterate - 834 01:06:02,988 --> 01:06:06,108 - apart from my cell phone. - "...technologically illiterate." 835 01:06:06,268 --> 01:06:08,108 You have to read the truth? 836 01:06:08,268 --> 01:06:12,788 No, these are just notes about what you said... 837 01:06:12,908 --> 01:06:14,748 So I don't know who showed - 838 01:06:14,868 --> 01:06:18,868 Mr. Andruskó those photos, but it definitely wasn't me. 839 01:06:21,308 --> 01:06:23,188 Laughing won't help you. 840 01:06:23,348 --> 01:06:25,428 Mr. Andruskó, the next question is for you. 841 01:06:25,868 --> 01:06:30,987 - Were you told who ordered it? - Yes, I was. 842 01:06:31,147 --> 01:06:36,267 Mrs. Zsuzsová told me explicitly it was for Mr. Kočner... 843 01:06:36,387 --> 01:06:39,747 - "Mrs. Alena Zsuzsová told me..." - Kočner's money... 844 01:06:39,867 --> 01:06:43,427 "it would be for Mr. Kočner and it was Kočner's money." 845 01:06:43,667 --> 01:06:46,747 And that it should be carried out for him. 846 01:06:46,867 --> 01:06:51,067 Mr. Kočner has not ordered any murder from me. 847 01:06:51,547 --> 01:06:58,547 Not the murder of Mr. Kuciak, or anybody else. 848 01:06:59,707 --> 01:07:03,227 I want to ask Mr. Andruskó... 849 01:07:03,507 --> 01:07:08,506 Who really ordered the murder of Mr. Kuciak? 850 01:07:09,786 --> 01:07:13,906 - For real? - Yes, I'm dead serious. 851 01:07:14,546 --> 01:07:19,106 - I'm asking you who ordered you? - You ordered me. 852 01:07:19,226 --> 01:07:25,666 - Of course. - You pushed me to make it happen. 853 01:07:27,946 --> 01:07:32,026 Why did you have Kuciak killed? You had him killed, sweetheart. 854 01:07:32,146 --> 01:07:35,946 - You ordered and confessed to the murder. - You ordered it. 855 01:07:36,266 --> 01:07:38,427 - The only one who ordered it is you. - You ordered it. 856 01:07:38,506 --> 01:07:42,146 - You... - You ordered it. 857 01:07:42,586 --> 01:07:45,465 - And what would I get out of it? - For Kočner. 858 01:07:45,585 --> 01:07:50,505 But it would harm Kočner. Are you insane? 859 01:07:50,625 --> 01:07:53,665 I guess I am because I did it for you. 860 01:07:53,745 --> 01:07:55,626 The first piece of evidence, the crucial piece 861 01:07:55,705 --> 01:07:59,105 of evidence, is the testimony of Zoltán Andruskó, 862 01:07:59,185 --> 01:08:01,345 because Zoltán Andruskó testified 863 01:08:01,425 --> 01:08:03,425 that Alena Zsuzsová told him 864 01:08:04,385 --> 01:08:06,705 that the murder is being committed 865 01:08:06,785 --> 01:08:10,305 on the order of Marián Kočner. 866 01:08:10,385 --> 01:08:12,905 He testified right after the arrest 867 01:08:12,985 --> 01:08:17,145 that the day after the murder he came to see Alena Zsuzsová 868 01:08:17,225 --> 01:08:21,145 in the morning to tell her that the murder was committed. 869 01:08:21,225 --> 01:08:25,504 And then she went for the money to Marián Kočner. 870 01:08:25,584 --> 01:08:28,224 Later in the day he came back again 871 01:08:28,304 --> 01:08:32,704 and he got the first 50,000 euros from Alena Zsuzsová. 872 01:08:33,224 --> 01:08:34,904 Now, at that time, when he was arrested, 873 01:08:34,984 --> 01:08:37,384 he didn't know what the evidence is. 874 01:08:37,464 --> 01:08:41,024 But when you take the information we have 875 01:08:41,104 --> 01:08:44,944 from the base transceiver stations, 876 01:08:45,024 --> 01:08:49,944 mobile transceiver stations, we know how the people moved 877 01:08:50,024 --> 01:08:52,144 on the 22nd of February. 878 01:08:52,224 --> 01:08:55,584 And it all matches with Zoltán Andruskó's testimony. 879 01:08:55,664 --> 01:09:00,544 The mobile phones were on the same place of Andruskó 880 01:09:00,624 --> 01:09:02,263 and Zsuzsová in the morning, 881 01:09:02,343 --> 01:09:05,343 then Zsuzsová and Kočner in the afternoon, 882 01:09:05,423 --> 01:09:07,663 then Andruskó and Zsuzsová in the evening 883 01:09:07,743 --> 01:09:09,343 in Komarno back again. 884 01:09:09,423 --> 01:09:13,463 So it all comes together as a puzzle. 885 01:09:13,703 --> 01:09:16,783 She gave me the money and I left. 886 01:09:16,903 --> 01:09:19,103 - She just gave you the money? - Yes. 887 01:09:19,223 --> 01:09:22,743 - When? - It all happened before noon. 888 01:09:23,263 --> 01:09:26,103 In this moment he will testify again 889 01:09:26,183 --> 01:09:28,383 and again and again that at this moment 890 01:09:28,463 --> 01:09:32,223 in the morning hours he got the money from her. 891 01:09:32,463 --> 01:09:36,223 It all happened before noon... 892 01:09:37,703 --> 01:09:40,262 - It happened before noon? - Before noon. 893 01:09:40,342 --> 01:09:45,342 Interesting is that the prosecutor went to court and said, 894 01:09:45,582 --> 01:09:48,782 "I want to prove that afternoon she got the money" 895 01:09:48,862 --> 01:09:52,382 "from Mr. Kočner and she gave it to Andruskó." 896 01:09:52,462 --> 01:09:56,422 Even his answer to the question of prosecutor, 897 01:09:56,502 --> 01:09:59,462 "Do you remember exactly the time when you get the money?" 898 01:09:59,542 --> 01:10:02,982 He said, "Yes, this is what I remember exactly." 899 01:10:03,062 --> 01:10:04,862 "It was before noon." 900 01:10:04,942 --> 01:10:09,742 If the prosecutor claims that BTS can't lie, 901 01:10:09,822 --> 01:10:13,102 then it is in favor to Mr. Kočner. 902 01:10:13,822 --> 01:10:18,622 One of the key pieces of the evidence is Threema. 903 01:10:18,702 --> 01:10:23,621 Threema is a mobile app for encrypted communication. 904 01:10:23,701 --> 01:10:26,381 And within the conversation with Alena Zsuzsová, 905 01:10:26,461 --> 01:10:31,261 they daily exchanged like tens or hundreds of messages. 906 01:10:31,341 --> 01:10:33,381 They were really in constant touch. 907 01:10:33,461 --> 01:10:41,021 According to what I was told and I hope I can explain it as a layman - 908 01:10:41,701 --> 01:10:45,301 he deleted his own communication. 909 01:10:45,461 --> 01:10:50,661 However, it remained there and would have stayed - 910 01:10:51,261 --> 01:10:55,821 in the memory until rewritten by other information. 911 01:10:56,101 --> 01:10:58,540 He thought he deleted it. 912 01:10:58,984 --> 01:11:02,796 I had a dreamt an awful dream. I mean, a really terrible one!!! My teeth were falling out. 913 01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:07,020 21st is the day on which Ján Kuciak 914 01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:08,900 and Martina Kušnírová were murdered. 915 01:11:08,980 --> 01:11:10,940 They communicate in codewords. 916 01:11:11,020 --> 01:11:13,860 They talk about falling teeth, what it means, 917 01:11:13,940 --> 01:11:16,060 and it means death. 918 01:11:16,168 --> 01:11:19,323 [...] It's been snowing like hell, so it couldn't have been done earlier. 919 01:11:19,740 --> 01:11:23,580 They used "snow" to refer to something - 920 01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:26,740 that hinders some activity. 921 01:11:26,940 --> 01:11:30,340 Suddenly, Mrs. Zsuzsová - 922 01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:36,060 used a profane expression when she alerted Mr. Kočner that - 923 01:11:36,180 --> 01:11:39,299 something was wrong. 924 01:11:39,461 --> 01:11:41,258 And we're fucked. 925 01:11:41,336 --> 01:11:44,906 In addition to the journalist, Martina Kušnírová was also murdered. 926 01:11:45,024 --> 01:11:46,024 What? 927 01:11:46,379 --> 01:11:50,219 Crucial is the reaction of Mr. Kočner - 928 01:11:50,317 --> 01:11:51,955 Did the snow melt? 929 01:11:51,980 --> 01:11:55,474 He asked her, "Did the snow melt?" 930 01:11:55,659 --> 01:11:58,379 Right after that, Mrs. Zsuzsová reacted: 931 01:11:58,433 --> 01:11:59,875 1 fell out for real now. 932 01:11:59,906 --> 01:12:02,946 "One fell out for real now." 933 01:12:03,059 --> 01:12:05,779 In my opinion, it means that - 934 01:12:05,804 --> 01:12:10,306 she announced Ján's murder to Mr. Kočner. 935 01:12:10,878 --> 01:12:12,120 50... > SOON Skull & Bones. 936 01:12:12,145 --> 01:12:14,219 This is a text message that Kočner is sending 937 01:12:14,299 --> 01:12:16,778 to Zsuzsová on the day of the murder, 938 01:12:16,858 --> 01:12:21,258 50 and a line and skull and bones. 939 01:12:21,338 --> 01:12:23,858 Skull and bones is a symbol of death. 940 01:12:23,938 --> 01:12:27,898 And 50,000 euros was the sum that was paid 941 01:12:27,978 --> 01:12:30,738 to Zoltan Andruskó for the murder. 942 01:12:30,818 --> 01:12:32,818 The defense understands 943 01:12:32,898 --> 01:12:35,738 that this communication is incriminating, 944 01:12:35,818 --> 01:12:39,218 otherwise they would not fight so vigorously 945 01:12:39,298 --> 01:12:42,218 against allowing this piece of evidence 946 01:12:42,298 --> 01:12:44,978 to be presented in court. 947 01:12:45,178 --> 01:12:51,498 I'm glad we were able to decipher it, and I don't think anyone has any doubt - 948 01:12:52,018 --> 01:12:57,577 that those words meant something different than they seemed at first. 949 01:12:57,897 --> 01:13:01,097 In Threema you speak in open phrases. 950 01:13:01,177 --> 01:13:02,497 You hide nothing. 951 01:13:02,577 --> 01:13:05,897 You don't need to hide something because it is hidden. 952 01:13:05,977 --> 01:13:08,977 For me, impossible meanings in the basic words, 953 01:13:09,057 --> 01:13:12,097 like teeth, like snow. 954 01:13:12,177 --> 01:13:15,777 If you use the word snow in summer, 955 01:13:15,857 --> 01:13:17,137 I would think it's strange. 956 01:13:17,217 --> 01:13:21,097 But if you use the word snow in winter, it's common for me. 957 01:13:21,177 --> 01:13:27,617 It's almost normal word in winter. 958 01:13:30,194 --> 01:13:33,701 Kočner's Secret World. The years leading up to the murder. 959 01:13:34,936 --> 01:13:37,256 Good morning. We'll have two coffees. 960 01:13:37,896 --> 01:13:39,896 Small ones? 961 01:13:39,976 --> 01:13:41,736 Yes, yes. 962 01:13:43,136 --> 01:13:45,776 This is the belly of Marián Kočner. 963 01:13:46,896 --> 01:13:50,776 And actually "Belly" was the nickname of Marián Kočner. 964 01:13:51,056 --> 01:13:55,856 For a long time we were wondering why Marián Kočner 965 01:13:55,936 --> 01:13:58,056 is immune to prosecution. 966 01:13:58,136 --> 01:14:05,576 I mean, why all his cases are turned down by prosecutors. 967 01:14:05,656 --> 01:14:08,256 This is the evidence why. 968 01:14:08,336 --> 01:14:11,495 It's a video showing the close ties 969 01:14:11,575 --> 01:14:15,135 between the general prosecutor, Dobroslav Trnka, 970 01:14:15,215 --> 01:14:19,775 who has almost unlimited powers in Slovakia, 971 01:14:19,855 --> 01:14:21,735 and Marián Kočner. 972 01:14:21,815 --> 01:14:24,975 He did escape prosecution because of his connections. 973 01:14:25,055 --> 01:14:26,495 We started investigating 974 01:14:26,575 --> 01:14:30,695 in 2012 his money-laundering activities. 975 01:14:30,775 --> 01:14:32,455 And because of his connections 976 01:14:32,535 --> 01:14:34,535 at the general prosecution office, 977 01:14:34,615 --> 01:14:37,815 it was suspended very, very soon. 978 01:14:37,895 --> 01:14:40,975 There was an order from the general prosecution office 979 01:14:41,055 --> 01:14:42,575 just the next day 980 01:14:42,655 --> 01:14:46,415 to hand over the whole file for inspection. 981 01:14:46,775 --> 01:14:47,855 That was just absurd. 982 01:14:47,935 --> 01:14:48,695 That was really... 983 01:14:48,775 --> 01:14:51,014 I have never experienced that in my practice. 984 01:14:51,094 --> 01:14:53,814 It was practically impossible to investigate anything. 985 01:14:55,614 --> 01:14:58,454 They will be out of the frame. They usually sit here. 986 01:14:58,614 --> 01:15:00,974 Do they sit there? 987 01:15:01,414 --> 01:15:03,894 They are setting the hidden camera 988 01:15:03,974 --> 01:15:06,174 as a kind of a trap. 989 01:15:07,294 --> 01:15:08,294 Show me... 990 01:15:08,374 --> 01:15:10,294 It could collect sensitive data 991 01:15:10,374 --> 01:15:12,494 on the people coming to the office 992 01:15:12,574 --> 01:15:14,254 of the general prosecutor. 993 01:15:14,334 --> 01:15:18,054 It's another way how to create kompromat on them. 994 01:15:18,454 --> 01:15:20,774 He made two billion! Fucker... 995 01:15:21,854 --> 01:15:24,614 He also tricked Fico because - 996 01:15:24,934 --> 01:15:28,613 he didn't split the money and [Fico] didn't realize it. 997 01:15:29,173 --> 01:15:29,933 This is how... 998 01:15:30,013 --> 01:15:33,293 This is basically how failed state looks like. 999 01:15:33,373 --> 01:15:36,213 So not only mafia state, but also failed state, 1000 01:15:36,293 --> 01:15:42,573 which is not able to secure justice for everybody equally. 1001 01:15:43,183 --> 01:15:47,105 You don't understand. It's not about when or what. I just wanted to inform you who is against you. 1002 01:15:47,130 --> 01:15:48,755 - Delete it please. Just in case. - Can you meet next week? 1003 01:15:48,779 --> 01:15:50,356 I'll figure it out, so we're 100% sure. 1004 01:15:50,381 --> 01:15:52,011 - Watch out for those promissory notes. - I'm here. 1005 01:15:52,035 --> 01:15:53,331 Have patience. He's a tough nut to crack. I'll let you know tomorrow. 1006 01:15:53,355 --> 01:15:56,733 I never considered Marián Kočner as a person 1007 01:15:56,813 --> 01:15:59,133 from whom I expected something good. 1008 01:15:59,213 --> 01:16:03,853 But the people cooperating with him in politics 1009 01:16:03,933 --> 01:16:07,292 and in law enforcement and in the judiciary, 1010 01:16:07,372 --> 01:16:09,532 for me, they are worse. 1011 01:16:11,812 --> 01:16:16,332 The judge, Vladimir Sklenka, 1012 01:16:16,972 --> 01:16:20,532 who really was a great source of information 1013 01:16:20,612 --> 01:16:25,292 for Marián Kočner, he basically gave him information 1014 01:16:25,372 --> 01:16:28,652 about ongoing cases and other judges. 1015 01:16:28,732 --> 01:16:32,612 For example, here the judge is asking Kočner 1016 01:16:32,692 --> 01:16:36,092 how he should rule. 1017 01:16:36,172 --> 01:16:38,292 So judge Sklenka has problem 1018 01:16:38,372 --> 01:16:39,812 to write the verdicts, basically. 1019 01:16:39,892 --> 01:16:43,932 So he was asking many times for help from Kočner. 1020 01:16:44,012 --> 01:16:47,371 And Kočner's lawyers were actually sometimes 1021 01:16:47,451 --> 01:16:50,131 even writing the verdicts for him. 1022 01:16:50,371 --> 01:16:54,331 So Kočner was something like a manager of these verdicts. 1023 01:16:54,811 --> 01:16:56,131 That's how it works. 1024 01:16:56,211 --> 01:16:57,811 One of the most important people 1025 01:16:57,891 --> 01:17:01,211 for Marián Kočner was State Secretary 1026 01:17:01,291 --> 01:17:04,371 and former judge Monika Jankovská. 1027 01:17:04,451 --> 01:17:09,091 He called her "My monkey" and he exchanged more than... 1028 01:17:09,171 --> 01:17:12,811 More than 6,000 messages with Monika Jankovská. 1029 01:17:12,891 --> 01:17:14,851 And they were actually talking a lot 1030 01:17:14,931 --> 01:17:17,371 about how to influence other judges. 1031 01:17:17,451 --> 01:17:20,171 They were talking about ongoing cases, 1032 01:17:20,251 --> 01:17:24,810 and from her position she also made pressure on two judges 1033 01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:30,090 to decide the cases on behalf of Marián Kočner. 1034 01:17:30,170 --> 01:17:34,282 And then they were also talking about splitting the money. 1035 01:17:34,314 --> 01:17:36,907 I suppose you'll split Zuzana's reward with Denisa. 1036 01:17:36,939 --> 01:17:38,681 No, Denisa gets a part of mine. 1037 01:17:38,705 --> 01:17:42,161 I promised that cunt something and now I must keep it. 1038 01:17:42,936 --> 01:17:45,816 They sent each other kisses and hearts. 1039 01:17:46,690 --> 01:17:48,410 And they were joking. 1040 01:17:50,170 --> 01:17:54,010 “LMFAO. I could get Al Capone out of jail”. 1041 01:17:56,210 --> 01:17:58,690 So, that's it. 1042 01:17:58,770 --> 01:18:01,130 I want to show you something. 1043 01:18:01,210 --> 01:18:04,089 This guy, it's Norbert Bödör. 1044 01:18:04,169 --> 01:18:06,729 He's this kind of a Slovak oligarch 1045 01:18:06,809 --> 01:18:11,049 who was really into MMA fighting, and he trained one 1046 01:18:11,129 --> 01:18:13,529 of the best Slovak fighters. 1047 01:18:14,049 --> 01:18:19,969 But also, due to his father, he was very influential 1048 01:18:20,049 --> 01:18:23,809 in Slovak police force and law enforcement. 1049 01:18:23,889 --> 01:18:27,609 I think Kočner is an intelligent man. 1050 01:18:28,369 --> 01:18:34,969 He knew he didn't need to communicate directly with the police... 1051 01:18:35,689 --> 01:18:39,609 He just needed someone to communicate on his behalf. 1052 01:18:40,369 --> 01:18:43,368 Perhaps this was Mr. Bödör. 1053 01:18:43,448 --> 01:18:46,528 Bödör was giving information to Kočner 1054 01:18:46,608 --> 01:18:48,368 from police databases. 1055 01:18:48,448 --> 01:18:50,568 When Kočner requested a certain information 1056 01:18:50,648 --> 01:18:53,208 from a database, he got it from Bödör. 1057 01:18:53,288 --> 01:18:57,088 When he needs to know the name of a police officer 1058 01:18:57,159 --> 01:19:00,280 who investigates any case, he asks Bödör. 1059 01:19:00,305 --> 01:19:02,459 Incoming InApp Call_HANGUP1dffe4bc41c4df2 [in background] 1060 01:19:02,483 --> 01:19:06,232 Find out who is investigating and who is the prosecutor over THAT thing Špirko made Varga sign under. 1061 01:19:06,256 --> 01:19:09,608 If he needs to change the result, he asks. 1062 01:19:09,688 --> 01:19:13,888 Here is Kočner asking Bödör to ask the police investigator 1063 01:19:13,968 --> 01:19:16,008 to take medical leave 1064 01:19:16,088 --> 01:19:19,848 so he can postpone Kočner's investigation 1065 01:19:19,928 --> 01:19:21,687 for another two weeks. 1066 01:19:21,767 --> 01:19:24,527 If Marián Kočner needed some information 1067 01:19:24,607 --> 01:19:27,087 on anyone he was interested in, 1068 01:19:27,126 --> 01:19:29,823 Please check a person named Adolf [blurred] for me. [...] 1069 01:19:29,847 --> 01:19:33,847 There was no problem to give him names, date of birth, 1070 01:19:33,927 --> 01:19:36,927 also information about parents, children, whatever. 1071 01:19:37,007 --> 01:19:41,687 Kočner is asking Norbert Bödör for a so called Spider, 1072 01:19:41,767 --> 01:19:43,887 which is basically personal data 1073 01:19:43,967 --> 01:19:48,287 from the state's registers, like all the relatives, 1074 01:19:48,367 --> 01:19:52,247 the numbers of the passport, the number of ID cards, 1075 01:19:52,447 --> 01:19:54,567 driving licenses and so. 1076 01:19:54,847 --> 01:19:59,526 All cases in which Marián Kočner was involved 1077 01:19:59,606 --> 01:20:02,566 were handled by two investigators 1078 01:20:02,646 --> 01:20:04,246 from the National Crime Agency. 1079 01:20:04,326 --> 01:20:07,486 And from the communication we know that he was taking care 1080 01:20:07,566 --> 01:20:09,166 of those two investigators. 1081 01:20:09,246 --> 01:20:15,926 Every single case was assigned to these two investigators. 1082 01:20:16,006 --> 01:20:21,446 Of course they weren't able to get his cases on their desks. 1083 01:20:21,526 --> 01:20:25,606 It was somebody from the leadership of the police force 1084 01:20:25,686 --> 01:20:28,766 that was assigning them all these cases. 1085 01:20:30,166 --> 01:20:32,846 From the information we have in communication 1086 01:20:32,926 --> 01:20:35,446 of Marián Kočner and Norbert Bödör, 1087 01:20:35,526 --> 01:20:41,205 we know that he had a direct link with Tibor Gašpar. 1088 01:20:42,725 --> 01:20:45,765 We know that Norbert Bödör was a close friend, 1089 01:20:45,845 --> 01:20:49,805 even a relative of the former police president. 1090 01:20:51,485 --> 01:20:57,485 Our investigation uncovered further information relevant to Kuciak's murder. 1091 01:20:57,925 --> 01:21:03,125 We found that Ján's personal file was accessed - 1092 01:21:04,405 --> 01:21:08,774 in the police's internal database prior to the murder. 1093 01:21:09,071 --> 01:21:12,655 Can you please pull the file on two more people for me? 1094 01:21:12,727 --> 01:21:15,863 It shouldn't be a problem to get passport copies. 1095 01:21:19,269 --> 01:21:22,829 We believe that - 1096 01:21:23,164 --> 01:21:29,924 the person who ordered Ján Kuciak's file to be accessed - 1097 01:21:30,964 --> 01:21:37,644 may be associated with the top management of the police force. 1098 01:21:41,884 --> 01:21:45,804 For six years, I've been explaining we are a safe country. 1099 01:21:46,244 --> 01:21:48,404 We do not live in a mafia state. 1100 01:21:49,924 --> 01:21:53,884 We believe that Kočner got Ján's address 1101 01:21:53,964 --> 01:21:57,123 from the head of police, Tibor Gašpar. 1102 01:21:57,363 --> 01:22:01,563 And I am sure that Gašpar gave this address to Bödör 1103 01:22:01,643 --> 01:22:02,643 and Bödör to Kočner. 1104 01:22:05,203 --> 01:22:09,003 And now these connections coming out - 1105 01:22:09,123 --> 01:22:11,963 to the courts, the Prosecutor's Office - 1106 01:22:13,243 --> 01:22:15,803 and even the police. 1107 01:22:16,083 --> 01:22:18,483 We can see what a monstrous thing this was. 1108 01:22:18,810 --> 01:22:21,277 And call it by its name: Mafia. 1109 01:22:23,965 --> 01:22:26,298 Ján Kuciak, Velká Mača 558, Galanta. 1110 01:22:35,610 --> 01:22:41,570 The video is done by someone who was surveilling Ján. 1111 01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,960 You see the guy who was doing the surveillance, he's hiding. 1112 01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:01,680 He didn't want to be seen by Martina. 1113 01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,480 So someone was following them, 1114 01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:09,520 following their daily routines, especially focused on Jáno. 1115 01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:19,040 Those pictures and those surveillance reports were found 1116 01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:25,080 on a USB stick in the safe of Marián Kočner's house. 1117 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:27,800 And of course we also know 1118 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,479 that Andruskó had identified the photos 1119 01:24:31,559 --> 01:24:34,599 from the surveillance of Ján Kuciak 1120 01:24:34,679 --> 01:24:40,159 that Alena Zsuzsová showed him on a laptop in the car. 1121 01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:44,639 And these pictures were identical to the pictures found 1122 01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:47,759 in Marián Kočner's house during the house search. 1123 01:24:48,839 --> 01:24:52,639 So it linked the surveillance to the murder 1124 01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:54,799 and to Marián Kočner. 1125 01:24:54,879 --> 01:24:59,599 I think this is, for me, this is really strong evidence. 1126 01:25:00,799 --> 01:25:02,759 - Everybody wanted Mr. - Kočner to be the one. 1127 01:25:02,839 --> 01:25:05,199 They wanted the police to get him. 1128 01:25:05,279 --> 01:25:07,959 Nobody was looking at the evidence in whole, 1129 01:25:08,039 --> 01:25:11,518 but just pieces of the evidence were shown to the public 1130 01:25:11,598 --> 01:25:14,958 in order to convince them that he is guilty. 1131 01:25:20,918 --> 01:25:23,798 - Should I make some comments? - Take your time. 1132 01:25:23,878 --> 01:25:29,198 This is Mr. Marček, the shooter, and he was also asked 1133 01:25:29,278 --> 01:25:32,238 about the photos from the surveillance 1134 01:25:32,318 --> 01:25:34,638 and if he could recognize them. 1135 01:25:35,158 --> 01:25:38,718 Read and look at all the photos. 1136 01:25:38,798 --> 01:25:42,238 He got a little bit of help from his attorney, 1137 01:25:42,318 --> 01:25:44,118 a little bit of help from everybody, 1138 01:25:44,198 --> 01:25:46,598 but still he never recognized the photos. 1139 01:25:47,837 --> 01:25:48,837 Probably. 1140 01:25:49,757 --> 01:25:56,117 But I remember a photo where I could see his face clearly. And here it's not clear. 1141 01:25:56,837 --> 01:25:59,397 This is the most important moment. 1142 01:25:59,477 --> 01:26:01,797 So he saw another, a different picture. 1143 01:26:02,637 --> 01:26:04,397 Look one more time, just in case. 1144 01:26:04,517 --> 01:26:10,197 - And he was wearing? - A black hoodie. Maybe a yellow t-shirt. 1145 01:26:10,837 --> 01:26:14,037 It was a front shot of him while walking. 1146 01:26:14,157 --> 01:26:17,517 I can't see that photo here. 1147 01:26:19,077 --> 01:26:21,117 Actually, I recognized him from that photo. 1148 01:26:21,197 --> 01:26:23,477 According to these photos, I could not recognize him. 1149 01:26:23,557 --> 01:26:25,117 This is the most important part. 1150 01:26:25,197 --> 01:26:29,556 I wouldn't have recognized him from this one. 1151 01:26:29,636 --> 01:26:32,116 If he never saw the pictures from the surveillance, 1152 01:26:32,196 --> 01:26:34,636 there is no connection to Mr. Kočner. 1153 01:26:34,836 --> 01:26:37,357 "I wouldn't have recognized him from this photo." Is that right? 1154 01:26:37,396 --> 01:26:38,836 Yes. 1155 01:27:18,115 --> 01:27:21,235 I believe Slovak society is absolutely convinced 1156 01:27:21,315 --> 01:27:23,715 that Marián Kočner did it. 1157 01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,660 The Day of the Verdict. 31 months after the murder. 1158 01:27:29,075 --> 01:27:31,755 There's huge public pressure. 1159 01:27:32,724 --> 01:27:35,884 There's huge media pressure. 1160 01:27:36,915 --> 01:27:40,155 There are political pressures. 1161 01:27:42,275 --> 01:27:47,034 I believe 100% Kočner is guilty. 1162 01:27:48,634 --> 01:27:53,634 But if I would totally detach myself from the case 1163 01:27:55,274 --> 01:27:57,714 and if I would be totally honest, 1164 01:27:58,794 --> 01:28:01,234 I don't think there's enough evidence 1165 01:28:01,314 --> 01:28:06,394 to send someone to prison for a lifetime. 1166 01:28:39,553 --> 01:28:41,633 All rise. 1167 01:28:46,273 --> 01:28:53,073 Listen to the verdict in the name of the Slovak Republic. 1168 01:28:54,113 --> 01:28:56,113 The Special Criminal Court - 1169 01:28:56,193 --> 01:29:03,192 at this hearing on September 3, 2020, has decided as follows: 1170 01:29:03,872 --> 01:29:09,792 The accused Marián Kočner, born May 17, 1963 - 1171 01:29:10,192 --> 01:29:16,352 and Alena Zsuzsová, born June 13, 1974. 1172 01:29:16,952 --> 01:29:22,072 According to section 285, subsection (c) of the criminal code - 1173 01:29:23,312 --> 01:29:25,752 Not guilty. 1174 01:29:26,152 --> 01:29:27,152 I'm not gonna comment. 1175 01:29:27,752 --> 01:29:31,472 Do you think Kočner and Zsuzsová are responsible for the murder? 1176 01:29:31,632 --> 01:29:32,632 Yes. 1177 01:29:34,712 --> 01:29:40,551 I had started to believe justice finally had come to Slovakia. 1178 01:29:41,071 --> 01:29:45,791 But now I see we're still at square one. 1179 01:29:48,311 --> 01:29:52,751 It's the first verdict. Now the dispute moves to the supreme court. 1180 01:29:53,151 --> 01:29:57,031 And we will win. Justice will prevail if we don't give up. 1181 01:29:57,191 --> 01:30:01,311 Ján and Martina's parents are not giving up. 1182 01:30:05,631 --> 01:30:08,591 I'm gonna hug all of you one by one. 1183 01:30:08,751 --> 01:30:11,191 I cried a bit during the verdict. 1184 01:30:14,591 --> 01:30:17,471 This was just the first round. Next one will be a knock out. 1185 01:30:17,631 --> 01:30:19,630 Let's hope so. 1186 01:30:19,790 --> 01:30:20,630 Yeah. 1187 01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:23,110 Zlata, let me hug you too. 1188 01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:25,470 - What next? We fight? - Sure. 1189 01:30:25,670 --> 01:30:27,710 First round won't stop us. 1190 01:30:27,870 --> 01:30:29,150 That's exactly what I think. 1191 01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:33,790 The important thing is, this didn't look rigged to me. 1192 01:30:33,950 --> 01:30:36,070 I don't think that, understand? This is essential. 1193 01:30:36,230 --> 01:30:40,430 At least to my knowledge, I don't think so. 1194 01:30:40,830 --> 01:30:46,630 If we don't win in Slovakia we go farther. I've been to Brussels and can go again... 1195 01:30:47,950 --> 01:30:51,830 Martina and Ján deserve justice. 1196 01:30:55,870 --> 01:30:57,829 Like in those American movies... 1197 01:30:57,989 --> 01:31:01,269 you take justice into your own hands. No other choice. 1198 01:31:01,429 --> 01:31:04,549 - Be careful they're filming you. - So what? It's the truth. 1199 01:31:04,869 --> 01:31:08,909 Otherwise you cannot get anything done here. 1200 01:31:09,069 --> 01:31:13,309 Like in "Three billboards..." whose daughter had been... 1201 01:31:13,469 --> 01:31:15,509 with a machine gun, right? 1202 01:31:15,709 --> 01:31:19,789 No, not like them. Only beat them up. 1203 01:31:19,949 --> 01:31:23,629 No killing. Like Martina said, "I wouldn't sink to their level." 1204 01:31:23,789 --> 01:31:28,829 Just punch their faces or spit on them. That's enough for me. 1205 01:31:29,229 --> 01:31:30,829 Dammit. 1206 01:31:34,469 --> 01:31:39,228 And, you know, Slovakia is now really in the process 1207 01:31:39,308 --> 01:31:43,348 of revolution that was started by Ján's murder 1208 01:31:43,428 --> 01:31:47,428 and the investigation and exposing all those, 1209 01:31:47,508 --> 01:31:48,628 all this corruption. 1210 01:31:49,708 --> 01:31:52,628 After the police analyzed Kočner's phone, 1211 01:31:52,708 --> 01:31:55,908 they took for interrogation one judge, 1212 01:31:55,988 --> 01:31:57,988 and this judge started to talk, 1213 01:31:58,068 --> 01:32:01,948 and he exposed the other corrupted judges and how it worked, 1214 01:32:02,028 --> 01:32:04,828 and the others started to talk and, you know, 1215 01:32:04,908 --> 01:32:08,668 the whole system is collapsing. 1216 01:32:09,388 --> 01:32:14,387 A storm like we've never seen. Judges in Kočner's phone in handcuffs. 1217 01:32:14,787 --> 01:32:20,227 Judges Jankovská, Maruniaková, Hajtová, Cviková. All connected to Kocner's case. 1218 01:32:20,587 --> 01:32:25,947 Police detained 13 judges, two former judges and three others. 1219 01:32:26,307 --> 01:32:31,627 They face charges of corruption and obstruction of justice. 1220 01:32:31,787 --> 01:32:33,587 Those who should have been fighting 1221 01:32:33,667 --> 01:32:36,147 against the mafia were actually key persons 1222 01:32:36,227 --> 01:32:37,667 of that mafia system. 1223 01:32:37,747 --> 01:32:40,867 Allow me to express my deepest condolences... 1224 01:32:40,947 --> 01:32:46,147 Tibor Gašpar, one of the most powerful persons 1225 01:32:46,227 --> 01:32:50,387 in the Slovak law enforcement is now charged 1226 01:32:50,467 --> 01:32:53,146 with heading an organized criminal group. 1227 01:32:53,466 --> 01:32:59,786 They transported Gašpar to Bratislava. He is facing several criminal charges. 1228 01:33:00,946 --> 01:33:04,026 The investigators say that he was getting the orders 1229 01:33:04,106 --> 01:33:06,986 from a Slovak oligarch Norbert Bödör. 1230 01:33:07,066 --> 01:33:10,786 And Norbert Bödör was giving him instructions 1231 01:33:10,866 --> 01:33:14,146 on what to investigate, what not, who to investigate, 1232 01:33:14,226 --> 01:33:16,906 who not, what to ignore, what to focus on. 1233 01:33:16,986 --> 01:33:18,986 And he was passing these orders 1234 01:33:19,066 --> 01:33:22,266 to other top police officials. 1235 01:33:22,346 --> 01:33:26,146 Put it in simple terms means that the most powerful mafia 1236 01:33:26,226 --> 01:33:28,586 in Slovakia was actually the police. 1237 01:33:28,666 --> 01:33:30,985 And, for me, it's shocking, you know, 1238 01:33:31,065 --> 01:33:33,625 I was just like, "What?" 1239 01:33:33,865 --> 01:33:40,625 Police were busy across Slovakia. They detained the former Chief of NAKA - 1240 01:33:40,785 --> 01:33:45,345 the former head of the Anti-corruption Force - 1241 01:33:45,505 --> 01:33:50,025 and the former head of the Financial Police. All in handcuffs. 1242 01:33:50,105 --> 01:33:52,785 Suddenly there were dozens of them in custody. 1243 01:33:52,865 --> 01:33:57,305 People lost completely understanding of who is who. 1244 01:33:57,385 --> 01:33:58,745 And they started to understand 1245 01:33:58,825 --> 01:34:03,145 that the situation was even worse than they thought before. 1246 01:34:03,225 --> 01:34:04,945 The mood in the society was like, 1247 01:34:05,025 --> 01:34:07,545 "We want to see people go to jail," 1248 01:34:07,625 --> 01:34:09,145 and it was happening. 1249 01:34:09,225 --> 01:34:13,704 But the rest of it, it was absolute chaos. 1250 01:34:13,784 --> 01:34:17,264 And the populistic part of the opposition, 1251 01:34:17,344 --> 01:34:19,624 they convinced people that they are the ones 1252 01:34:19,704 --> 01:34:21,384 who should be voted in. 1253 01:34:21,464 --> 01:34:23,064 And Igor Matovič 1254 01:34:23,144 --> 01:34:27,384 as a leading populist simply won the majority of the votes. 1255 01:34:27,664 --> 01:34:32,584 Thank you for voting. Don't be afraid of the future... 1256 01:34:32,744 --> 01:34:35,784 Although very convincing in opposition, 1257 01:34:35,864 --> 01:34:36,984 Igor Matovič proved 1258 01:34:37,064 --> 01:34:39,984 to be absolutely incompetent in government. 1259 01:34:41,144 --> 01:34:43,424 And I'm afraid that the party 1260 01:34:43,504 --> 01:34:47,544 that created the corrupted system and lost because 1261 01:34:47,624 --> 01:34:51,823 of Jáno's murder can regain the power in the next elections. 1262 01:34:51,903 --> 01:34:54,623 Suddenly many people are able 1263 01:34:54,703 --> 01:34:58,063 to say something that was unheard of two years ago, 1264 01:34:58,143 --> 01:35:00,583 "Well, maybe they were not very fair, 1265 01:35:00,663 --> 01:35:02,183 maybe they were stealing, 1266 01:35:02,263 --> 01:35:05,423 but the country was functioning better than now." 1267 01:35:05,503 --> 01:35:08,383 And that's tragic, you know, when people are starting 1268 01:35:08,463 --> 01:35:12,143 to compromise their previous anger 1269 01:35:12,223 --> 01:35:15,543 against these thieves, against mafia. 1270 01:35:15,623 --> 01:35:19,823 And I believe it's because people are disappointed 1271 01:35:19,903 --> 01:35:23,783 that the changes are slow, they are impatient. 1272 01:35:23,863 --> 01:35:25,383 What can European Union learn 1273 01:35:25,463 --> 01:35:28,102 from the whole process in Slovakia? 1274 01:35:28,182 --> 01:35:31,422 I'm not very optimistic about that part, honestly speaking, 1275 01:35:31,502 --> 01:35:36,502 because immediately after the murder of Ján Kuciak many 1276 01:35:36,582 --> 01:35:39,302 of us in Slovakia were literally screaming, 1277 01:35:39,382 --> 01:35:43,222 "Stop financing Slovakia from Euro Funds." 1278 01:35:43,302 --> 01:35:47,222 "Once you will do it, Slovakia will be able to move out" 1279 01:35:47,302 --> 01:35:51,742 "of oligarchic state more efficiently and faster." 1280 01:35:51,822 --> 01:35:54,182 European Union should be much tougher 1281 01:35:54,262 --> 01:35:56,662 on states like Slovakia. 1282 01:36:11,621 --> 01:36:16,061 I still believe the legacy of Jáno is really big. 1283 01:36:16,141 --> 01:36:21,061 Well, it's kind of a tragedy that he was the reason 1284 01:36:22,341 --> 01:36:25,781 that all those information got exposed. 1285 01:36:25,861 --> 01:36:30,861 And for me this is probably the most depressing part 1286 01:36:30,941 --> 01:36:33,741 of all the story, that he can't see it now. 1287 01:36:55,700 --> 01:37:02,580 And I believe that, you know, even if you are... 1288 01:37:03,580 --> 01:37:08,940 desperate and frustrated and you believe that change is not possible, 1289 01:37:09,020 --> 01:37:11,660 you can see it is. 1290 01:37:11,740 --> 01:37:18,020 And we can see it, this case, that the change is possible. 1291 01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:20,300 And it's up to us to decide 1292 01:37:20,380 --> 01:37:24,499 if it's going to be good or bad change. 1293 01:37:41,250 --> 01:37:48,802 Marián Kočner was sentenced to 19 years in prison for the financial fraud unrelated to the murders of Ján and Martina. 1294 01:37:50,606 --> 01:37:58,478 Alena Zsuzsová was sentenced to 21 years in prison for taking part in an unrelated assassination of a Slovak mayor in 2010. 1295 01:38:00,765 --> 01:38:08,194 The Supreme Court rejected the not guilty verdicts for Marián Kočner and Alena Zsuzsová in relation to the murders of Ján and Martina. 1296 01:38:08,219 --> 01:38:16,219 The case was sent back to the Special Criminal Court and re-trial started in Frebruary 2022. 1297 01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:24,280 Prosecutors merged the case with charges that Kočner and Zsuzsová also conspired to assassinate two prosecutors and a lawyer. 1298 01:38:24,321 --> 01:38:30,187 A final verdict is yet to be handed down. 1299 01:38:31,442 --> 01:38:37,890 In April 2022 prosecutors charged three more individuals with creating an organized crime group: 1300 01:38:37,915 --> 01:38:40,585 Former Minister of Interior Robert Kaliñák. 1301 01:38:40,609 --> 01:38:44,233 Former Prime Minister Robert Fico. 1302 01:38:44,281 --> 01:38:47,726 Attorney Marek Para 102332

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