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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:01:05,523 --> 00:01:08,026 I wanna call it a nightmare. 4 00:01:10,987 --> 00:01:11,821 It was 5 00:01:13,323 --> 00:01:15,200 absolutely wrong from the beginning. 6 00:01:30,423 --> 00:01:34,260 I personally think it was an experiment for him, 7 00:01:35,512 --> 00:01:37,138 some sick game. 8 00:01:44,187 --> 00:01:46,731 I think about the "why" every single day. 9 00:02:22,851 --> 00:02:25,395 Hi, Jacoba, this is Dr. Webber calling. 10 00:02:25,478 --> 00:02:27,105 I have your lab results in. 11 00:02:27,188 --> 00:02:29,816 So give me a call when you have a chance, and we can go over those. 12 00:02:29,899 --> 00:02:31,192 -Thank you. Bye. 13 00:02:34,988 --> 00:02:39,742 Hi, this message is for Jacoba Ballard. This is Jane over at Dr. Chan's office. 14 00:02:39,826 --> 00:02:42,328 Give us a callback. We want to reschedule you for an appointment. 15 00:02:42,412 --> 00:02:43,288 Thanks so much. 16 00:03:05,059 --> 00:03:08,229 Growing up, I felt different. 17 00:03:10,273 --> 00:03:12,275 {\an8}I'm this blonde-haired, blue-eyed person 18 00:03:12,358 --> 00:03:14,444 {\an8}in a family with dark hair 19 00:03:14,527 --> 00:03:16,738 {\an8}and, like, olive skin and dark eyes. 20 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:20,408 So, I kept asking my mom 21 00:03:21,868 --> 00:03:23,286 if I was adopted. 22 00:03:26,748 --> 00:03:29,125 I kept, like, reassuring my parents, 23 00:03:29,209 --> 00:03:33,046 and I'm like, "It's fine if I am, you can tell me. It'll be okay." 24 00:03:36,299 --> 00:03:39,677 Finally, my mom told me the truth. 25 00:03:42,096 --> 00:03:45,850 So, I've known since the age of ten 26 00:03:45,934 --> 00:03:49,395 that I was from donor sperm. 27 00:03:54,525 --> 00:03:57,695 I believe it was 1979, 28 00:03:58,571 --> 00:04:02,492 and… I wanted a child so bad, 29 00:04:03,409 --> 00:04:07,080 {\an8}but my husband could not have children. 30 00:04:07,163 --> 00:04:09,540 {\an8}So I went to see Dr. Cline 31 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:12,335 for artificial insemination. 32 00:04:16,589 --> 00:04:17,590 I was young. 33 00:04:18,758 --> 00:04:20,593 I think, like, 20, 21. 34 00:04:22,428 --> 00:04:23,721 He was professional. 35 00:04:24,722 --> 00:04:26,724 Uh, we didn't really say a lot. 36 00:04:26,808 --> 00:04:30,270 I mean, he just told us that he would match us with a donor 37 00:04:30,353 --> 00:04:32,230 that looked like my husband. 38 00:04:33,356 --> 00:04:35,566 He was gonna use medical students, 39 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:36,776 their sperm. 40 00:04:37,443 --> 00:04:39,612 And so, when I start ovulating, 41 00:04:39,696 --> 00:04:42,573 I went in, they did the procedure… 42 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,288 and, um, I went home, and I was pregnant. 43 00:04:54,627 --> 00:04:56,087 She's my everything. 44 00:05:00,591 --> 00:05:03,845 I love that child more than life itself. 45 00:05:20,862 --> 00:05:24,282 I always had this longing for siblings. 46 00:05:25,908 --> 00:05:28,286 I just wanted somebody that related to me, 47 00:05:28,786 --> 00:05:31,205 that's, you know, my brother or sister, 48 00:05:31,289 --> 00:05:33,124 and I just wanted to have that bond. 49 00:05:36,044 --> 00:05:38,629 When I was around the age of 18, 50 00:05:38,713 --> 00:05:40,798 you know, around, like, 1999, 51 00:05:40,882 --> 00:05:44,135 there wasn't commercial DNA testing. 52 00:05:44,969 --> 00:05:49,640 All I knew was my mom went to Dr. Donald Cline, 53 00:05:50,183 --> 00:05:53,644 and he was the go-to doctor. 54 00:05:55,855 --> 00:05:57,440 My mom was told that 55 00:05:57,523 --> 00:06:00,735 they used a medical resident for donor sperm, 56 00:06:00,818 --> 00:06:04,739 and they never used the medical resident or the donor, 57 00:06:04,822 --> 00:06:06,449 say, more than three times. 58 00:06:07,033 --> 00:06:08,201 So, since there was me, 59 00:06:08,284 --> 00:06:11,496 I figured that I might have one or two half-siblings. 60 00:06:12,789 --> 00:06:16,334 So, I looked him up, and I called him at his office. 61 00:06:16,417 --> 00:06:18,628 He actually answered the phone. 62 00:06:19,712 --> 00:06:22,924 I wanted to know if he had a donor number 63 00:06:23,007 --> 00:06:25,218 or my mom's medical records 64 00:06:25,301 --> 00:06:28,805 to where I could have some kind of identifying information. 65 00:06:29,847 --> 00:06:31,307 He was very 66 00:06:31,391 --> 00:06:34,018 straightforward, matter-of-fact, 67 00:06:34,102 --> 00:06:36,479 um, no empathy. 68 00:06:36,562 --> 00:06:38,815 But I remember asking him, 69 00:06:38,898 --> 00:06:41,317 like, telling him I wanted to find half-siblings, 70 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:44,153 and he said that I can't ever know that information. 71 00:06:44,237 --> 00:06:46,280 My mother's records have been destroyed. 72 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:51,411 He wished me good luck, and that was it. 73 00:06:52,995 --> 00:06:55,748 I just went on with life and, you know, 74 00:06:55,832 --> 00:06:59,961 married, raised my children, and hoped that someday maybe 75 00:07:00,044 --> 00:07:02,171 I would find a sibling or two. 76 00:07:14,183 --> 00:07:16,853 {\an8}Watching our friends' children growing up around us 77 00:07:16,936 --> 00:07:20,148 {\an8}left us feeling isolated and desperate. 78 00:07:21,232 --> 00:07:23,734 {\an8}But as we found out, we were not alone. 79 00:07:24,861 --> 00:07:27,488 {\an8}One out of five couples living in the United States 80 00:07:27,572 --> 00:07:29,824 {\an8}experience infertility problems. 81 00:07:29,907 --> 00:07:33,119 {\an8}The physicians and staff at Indianapolis Infertility 82 00:07:33,202 --> 00:07:37,165 {\an8}can help you understand your particular infertility problem more clearly. 83 00:07:37,248 --> 00:07:39,709 {\an8}Both Dr. Donald Cline and Dr. Robert Colver 84 00:07:39,792 --> 00:07:42,003 {\an8}are specialists in the field of infertility 85 00:07:42,086 --> 00:07:43,713 {\an8}and have achieved excellent results 86 00:07:43,796 --> 00:07:46,883 {\an8}in diagnosing and treating thousands of infertile couples. 87 00:07:48,384 --> 00:07:53,681 {\an8}Dr. Cline was the best-known infertility doctor in Indianapolis. 88 00:07:54,265 --> 00:07:56,642 {\an8}And I started working for him 89 00:07:56,726 --> 00:08:00,980 {\an8}in '81 to '94. 90 00:08:01,606 --> 00:08:02,899 I worked 13 years. 91 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:08,154 I was partnered with Dr. Cline from 1987 to 1991, and I have to say, 92 00:08:08,237 --> 00:08:11,866 {\an8}my career wouldn't be what it has been over the last 35 years 93 00:08:11,949 --> 00:08:14,035 {\an8}if it hadn't been for Don Cline. So… 94 00:08:14,118 --> 00:08:18,581 You know, I have a very special place in my heart for that man. 95 00:08:19,916 --> 00:08:23,002 Before '85, for an insemination 96 00:08:23,085 --> 00:08:24,795 or for a donor insemination, 97 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:26,464 fresh sperm was used. 98 00:08:27,215 --> 00:08:30,593 And back then, you didn't have, like today, 99 00:08:30,676 --> 00:08:33,888 you go on a website, 300 guys show up. 100 00:08:33,971 --> 00:08:36,057 We had a notebook 101 00:08:36,807 --> 00:08:39,852 so they could pick from what donor criteria they wanted. 102 00:08:42,063 --> 00:08:44,690 The hospital was-- It's just right across the street. 103 00:08:46,192 --> 00:08:49,779 And I actually went to the hospital and met some of the donors 104 00:08:49,862 --> 00:08:52,073 because they were residents, and I knew 'em. 105 00:08:52,156 --> 00:08:54,492 And they would pass me the specimen, 106 00:08:55,117 --> 00:08:56,619 and I would take it back to the office. 107 00:08:57,620 --> 00:09:00,331 It has to be kept warm, body temperature. 108 00:09:01,332 --> 00:09:04,043 And so I transported the sample in my bra, 109 00:09:04,126 --> 00:09:08,214 so the sperm was still viable by the time I got it over at the office. 110 00:09:10,883 --> 00:09:13,469 It was a great field. It was really interesting. 111 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:17,932 We were putting tubes back together so people… women could get pregnant. 112 00:09:18,683 --> 00:09:21,310 And he had a terrific success rate at that. 113 00:09:22,311 --> 00:09:24,063 We'd do laser surgery on tubes, 114 00:09:24,146 --> 00:09:27,525 and that was a new thing that Don did that other doctors didn't do. 115 00:09:28,776 --> 00:09:31,862 For these couples, you have to have them 116 00:09:31,946 --> 00:09:34,907 really think through this, talk through this, pray about it. 117 00:09:35,408 --> 00:09:38,411 Really feel like you thought through this whole thing, because 118 00:09:38,494 --> 00:09:40,413 once you do that donor insemination 119 00:09:40,496 --> 00:09:43,416 and they get pregnant, that's their baby. Forever. 120 00:09:49,547 --> 00:09:51,299 It was always very emotional 121 00:09:51,382 --> 00:09:54,594 {\an8}when one of your girlfriends would call you and say she was pregnant 122 00:09:54,677 --> 00:09:57,972 {\an8}because there were several times that I'd get off the phone, 123 00:09:58,055 --> 00:10:01,475 {\an8}and I'd just cry because I wanted a child so bad. 124 00:10:04,812 --> 00:10:07,481 My husband and I had gone to various fertility doctors 125 00:10:07,565 --> 00:10:10,818 trying to find… my issue. 126 00:10:12,778 --> 00:10:15,364 It was hard on me and my husband. 127 00:10:16,282 --> 00:10:21,287 But I thought, "Okay. I've finally found a doctor that might be able to help us 128 00:10:21,787 --> 00:10:24,123 because he was so well-known." 129 00:10:26,417 --> 00:10:28,252 {\an8}I was about 27. 130 00:10:28,753 --> 00:10:32,590 {\an8}I, uh… My husband and I talked about having our own children. 131 00:10:34,091 --> 00:10:37,678 My husband got tested, and he was infertile. 132 00:10:39,096 --> 00:10:44,185 I was told, "The only person who's doing live sperm donor insemination 133 00:10:44,268 --> 00:10:45,978 is Dr. Don Cline." 134 00:10:46,479 --> 00:10:48,773 "He's the best of the best, so go to him." 135 00:10:52,568 --> 00:10:54,987 By that point, it'd been two and a half years 136 00:10:55,071 --> 00:10:58,991 of having my period when I wanted to really conceive, 137 00:10:59,533 --> 00:11:03,829 taking my temperature, and… for every month and every day. 138 00:11:04,955 --> 00:11:09,335 So it was the first time I felt-- It was hopeful. 139 00:11:12,755 --> 00:11:17,093 I carried my husband's sperm in a little container. 140 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,638 Well, we didn't have much time because you had to have it there, 141 00:11:20,721 --> 00:11:21,847 I think, within an hour. 142 00:11:23,933 --> 00:11:26,102 And then there was this room 143 00:11:26,185 --> 00:11:29,689 that I would go into for the artificial insemination, 144 00:11:29,772 --> 00:11:31,732 right then with the sperm, 145 00:11:32,316 --> 00:11:35,152 with some kind of long, like, um… 146 00:11:35,653 --> 00:11:40,491 Well, it looked like a needle-type thing, but that was all I remember. 147 00:11:43,035 --> 00:11:45,121 He'd walk me back to the exam room, 148 00:11:45,955 --> 00:11:48,916 I'm lying down, and my knees are up in the air. 149 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:54,797 He said, "Okay. I'm gonna, uh, put this… this specimen in you." 150 00:11:57,842 --> 00:12:00,678 So I wait on the table for about 20 minutes. 151 00:12:01,470 --> 00:12:04,473 I was thinking actually positive thoughts. 152 00:12:04,557 --> 00:12:05,599 I was thinking, 153 00:12:06,767 --> 00:12:09,603 "Wow. I might be able to have a child." 154 00:12:16,444 --> 00:12:19,113 When the doctor's office called me 155 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:22,116 and told me I was pregnant, 156 00:12:22,199 --> 00:12:23,951 I… I couldn't believe it. 157 00:12:27,121 --> 00:12:29,457 We were just so happy when I had her. 158 00:12:30,916 --> 00:12:36,005 I even took Julie back into the office and then showed her off to Dr. Cline. 159 00:12:40,009 --> 00:12:42,052 I thought I had altitude sickness. 160 00:12:43,471 --> 00:12:46,098 So I laid off a little bit of skiing, 161 00:12:46,182 --> 00:12:48,684 and ate more crackers, and drank some tea, 162 00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:51,937 and, um, never thinking I was pregnant. 163 00:12:54,064 --> 00:12:55,775 I thought I was just late. 164 00:13:00,029 --> 00:13:01,655 I was ecstatic. 165 00:13:04,158 --> 00:13:07,119 I thought it was a gift at the time. 166 00:13:15,169 --> 00:13:19,548 In 2014, you see 23andMe 167 00:13:19,632 --> 00:13:22,551 on, like, every other commercial on TV. 168 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:26,055 I was 35, 169 00:13:26,138 --> 00:13:29,600 and I told my husband I was gonna take a DNA test 170 00:13:30,226 --> 00:13:33,229 because I figured, at least, I had one or two siblings. 171 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:38,818 I felt like it was kind of a bonus if I did find the donor, 172 00:13:39,401 --> 00:13:41,362 but that wasn't, like, my goal. 173 00:13:41,445 --> 00:13:43,280 My goal was to find a sibling. 174 00:13:46,492 --> 00:13:49,328 The fall of 2014, 175 00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:52,540 I received my results. 176 00:13:57,253 --> 00:13:59,505 I remember that day vividly. 177 00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:05,803 It came back that I was related to 178 00:14:06,637 --> 00:14:07,847 seven siblings. 179 00:14:09,807 --> 00:14:13,435 It was actually immediate excitement, um, 180 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:15,646 with concern. 181 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:19,942 Finding out that I had siblings was amazing, 182 00:14:20,025 --> 00:14:22,611 but there's, you know, eight of us. 183 00:14:22,695 --> 00:14:24,488 What… what's going on here? 184 00:14:25,072 --> 00:14:26,574 Because my mom was told 185 00:14:26,657 --> 00:14:30,119 that they never used a donor more than three times. 186 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:34,999 {\an8}Three times was the ideal. 187 00:14:35,791 --> 00:14:39,003 {\an8}We didn't want a large population 188 00:14:39,086 --> 00:14:41,005 {\an8}with all the same father. 189 00:14:41,547 --> 00:14:44,008 {\an8}There's the concern for consanguinity, 190 00:14:44,091 --> 00:14:49,471 {\an8}uh, having too many people in a certain geographic area 191 00:14:49,555 --> 00:14:53,058 that could potentially be your brother or your sister, and you didn't know it. 192 00:14:53,642 --> 00:14:58,939 Because you could potentially have a brother and sister marrying. 193 00:15:03,736 --> 00:15:05,279 This doesn't make sense. 194 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:09,867 Obviously, you used someone's sperm more than three times. 195 00:15:12,995 --> 00:15:17,541 And that's when we started to do our own investigating. 196 00:15:19,543 --> 00:15:22,129 Every weekend, we would call each other, 197 00:15:22,796 --> 00:15:27,051 or we would plug names into Ancestry and work on a family tree. 198 00:15:27,968 --> 00:15:31,180 We joked one day, trying to figure it out, 199 00:15:31,263 --> 00:15:34,558 and we're like, "Wouldn't it be crazy if it was the doctor?" 200 00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:37,436 But we disregarded it, and we're like, 201 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:40,481 "Probably not, but we'll go through this journey together." 202 00:15:40,564 --> 00:15:43,734 "We'll help each other find who our biological father is." 203 00:15:46,987 --> 00:15:50,908 We were able to just focus on our paternal matches, 204 00:15:51,492 --> 00:15:54,578 and we all matched a lady named Sylvia, 205 00:15:55,412 --> 00:15:57,414 who was our second cousin, 206 00:15:58,082 --> 00:16:00,918 and she was on 23andMe. 207 00:16:01,794 --> 00:16:03,921 So, we had messaged her. 208 00:16:05,255 --> 00:16:09,677 I asked her what surnames was in her family tree, 209 00:16:10,302 --> 00:16:13,430 and she gave us a whole list of names. 210 00:16:14,723 --> 00:16:16,475 One of the names that popped up was Swinford. 211 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:22,606 Swinford is Donald Cline's mother's maiden name. 212 00:16:23,816 --> 00:16:25,442 I said, "By any chance, 213 00:16:25,526 --> 00:16:29,071 do you have the name Cline in your family?" 214 00:16:30,072 --> 00:16:34,368 She said, "Oh yes, I completely forgot. My cousin Don." 215 00:16:35,119 --> 00:16:36,370 "He's a doctor." 216 00:16:38,372 --> 00:16:41,041 Right then, my stomach dropped, 217 00:16:41,125 --> 00:16:45,587 and I felt sick because she just confirmed 218 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:50,467 what I think we probably already knew, but we were hoping wasn't true. 219 00:16:51,844 --> 00:16:53,387 Dr. Donald Cline 220 00:16:54,304 --> 00:16:56,390 could be our biological father. 221 00:17:01,228 --> 00:17:02,354 I was in shock. 222 00:17:05,983 --> 00:17:07,568 There were so many emotions. 223 00:17:08,277 --> 00:17:09,820 So many questions. 224 00:17:10,946 --> 00:17:14,283 He lied about a donor being used. 225 00:17:15,951 --> 00:17:17,244 Why did he do it? 226 00:17:18,245 --> 00:17:20,164 And how long did he do it? 227 00:17:21,248 --> 00:17:24,293 And how many siblings do we have? 228 00:17:25,586 --> 00:17:27,713 I honestly didn't know who to go to. 229 00:17:27,796 --> 00:17:32,176 I googled, like, "Where do you make a complaint against a doctor?" 230 00:17:33,594 --> 00:17:37,264 That, in turn, led to me filing a complaint 231 00:17:37,347 --> 00:17:40,559 with the Attorney General's office for Indiana. 232 00:17:42,978 --> 00:17:46,190 So, then I received a form back from the Attorney General's office 233 00:17:46,273 --> 00:17:49,276 that was like, their generic messaging like, 234 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,822 "Hi. We've received your complaint, and it's gonna be investigated further, 235 00:17:53,906 --> 00:17:55,783 and someone will be in touch." 236 00:17:57,743 --> 00:18:01,872 We waited and waited. Nobody was returning my calls. 237 00:18:01,955 --> 00:18:04,917 No questioning, nothing from the Attorney General's office. 238 00:18:08,045 --> 00:18:09,213 I wanted answers. 239 00:18:09,296 --> 00:18:12,716 So I reached out to every news outlet, big and small, 240 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,803 and nobody would pick up the story. 241 00:18:15,886 --> 00:18:17,262 {\an8}…and I'm Angela Ganote. 242 00:18:17,346 --> 00:18:19,556 {\an8}Yeah. We're starting off on a chilly start today, 243 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,725 {\an8}but it's gonna warm up and warm up fast. 244 00:18:21,809 --> 00:18:23,602 {\an8}I was watching TV one day, 245 00:18:23,685 --> 00:18:26,021 and I was like… …"Her!" 246 00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:28,482 -"I forgot to send it to her." 247 00:18:29,316 --> 00:18:32,319 In February of 2015, I logged onto Facebook, 248 00:18:32,402 --> 00:18:34,613 and I had a message from Jacoba. 249 00:18:35,739 --> 00:18:37,616 The message was in-depth, 250 00:18:37,699 --> 00:18:40,160 saying that she believed a doctor in Indianapolis 251 00:18:40,244 --> 00:18:43,956 had inseminated multiple women with his own sperm. 252 00:18:44,456 --> 00:18:48,794 {\an8}It was shocking, but it was also backed by proof. 253 00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:51,588 Before Jacoba came to me, 254 00:18:51,672 --> 00:18:54,591 she had reached out to Attorney General of our state, 255 00:18:55,092 --> 00:18:57,136 the Attorney General of the United States. 256 00:18:57,219 --> 00:18:59,972 She had reached out to national news organizations, 257 00:19:00,055 --> 00:19:01,890 and she had gotten no response. 258 00:19:01,974 --> 00:19:05,269 And I thought, "Why is no one listening, or at least 259 00:19:05,894 --> 00:19:07,229 finding the truth?" 260 00:19:07,312 --> 00:19:09,523 I walked into our news director's office, 261 00:19:09,606 --> 00:19:11,900 and I said, "You guys are not gonna believe this." 262 00:19:15,612 --> 00:19:18,532 I reached out to Dr. Cline in the very beginning. 263 00:19:19,241 --> 00:19:21,118 He told me that he was not the father. 264 00:19:21,702 --> 00:19:25,873 He told me that he only used sperm from a doctor in training, 265 00:19:25,956 --> 00:19:27,791 that there is no way possible 266 00:19:27,875 --> 00:19:30,878 that the siblings had more than three brothers or sisters. 267 00:19:31,879 --> 00:19:33,922 I asked if he would like to see the DNA evidence. 268 00:19:34,006 --> 00:19:37,009 I asked him if he would like to provide his own DNA 269 00:19:37,092 --> 00:19:39,636 so that he could help them. 270 00:19:40,220 --> 00:19:43,682 "If you're not the father, have a DNA test and prove to them." 271 00:19:43,765 --> 00:19:45,142 And he wouldn't. 272 00:19:47,477 --> 00:19:50,439 So when we first aired the first story, 273 00:19:51,106 --> 00:19:54,651 I couldn't use his name, and that was, um, hard for me. 274 00:19:55,527 --> 00:19:59,448 Sisters, born here in Indiana, uncover a family secret. 275 00:19:59,531 --> 00:20:02,075 Their dad is not their biological father. 276 00:20:02,159 --> 00:20:03,577 They are donor children, 277 00:20:03,660 --> 00:20:07,164 the product of an anonymous man who donated his sperm. 278 00:20:08,790 --> 00:20:11,835 Since we didn't have Donald Cline's DNA, 279 00:20:12,336 --> 00:20:13,921 we couldn't really move forward 280 00:20:14,004 --> 00:20:17,758 until we had him take a DNA test 281 00:20:17,841 --> 00:20:21,845 to prove that he was our biological father. 282 00:20:22,471 --> 00:20:26,892 Like, we knew it in our gut, but we didn't have anybody at the state 283 00:20:26,975 --> 00:20:28,685 that would get back with us, and 284 00:20:29,686 --> 00:20:33,232 {\an8}they weren't in any hurry to get a DNA sample from him. 285 00:20:35,943 --> 00:20:40,197 So, one of my half-siblings 286 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,116 messaged all of Cline's children and grandchildren 287 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,369 that were over the age of 18. 288 00:20:45,452 --> 00:20:46,745 Basically said, 289 00:20:47,788 --> 00:20:50,374 "Our mothers went through infertility treatment." 290 00:20:52,459 --> 00:20:55,671 "Did somebody in your family donate sperm?" 291 00:21:02,010 --> 00:21:05,472 It was probably a week or two later, 292 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,559 Cline's son messaged me. 293 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,022 So, I met with Doug and Donna, 294 00:21:14,648 --> 00:21:17,776 which are two of Cline's children, with his wife, Audrey. 295 00:21:20,195 --> 00:21:22,864 I chose to do it at my church 296 00:21:22,948 --> 00:21:25,200 because I felt more comfortable. 297 00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:28,245 I don't know these people, 298 00:21:28,328 --> 00:21:31,915 and these are some big accusations. 299 00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:35,252 They said they had talked to their dad, 300 00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:41,842 and he did admit that he was our biological father. 301 00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:49,057 But Doug said that the only time that Cline used his sperm 302 00:21:49,141 --> 00:21:51,435 was when he didn't have access to a donor, 303 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:55,022 and as far as siblings go, 304 00:21:55,897 --> 00:21:58,358 there was absolutely no more than ten. 305 00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:17,252 I had seen the news pop on one night… 306 00:22:18,545 --> 00:22:21,298 …they are donor children searching for answers… 307 00:22:21,381 --> 00:22:24,634 …and I saw Jacoba on TV, 308 00:22:24,718 --> 00:22:29,389 and my husband thought that we looked a lot alike. 309 00:22:30,182 --> 00:22:32,059 {\an8}My husband's exact words were, 310 00:22:32,142 --> 00:22:34,269 {\an8}"I don't feel like this is going to end well, 311 00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:36,188 {\an8}and I want you to be aware of that." 312 00:22:38,315 --> 00:22:40,484 So I talked to my mom. 313 00:22:41,943 --> 00:22:43,862 My daughter called me and said, 314 00:22:43,945 --> 00:22:47,282 {\an8}"Should I get tested?" And I said, "No." 315 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:49,284 {\an8}'Cause I, at that point in time, 316 00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:51,870 {\an8}I thought it was my husband's sperm that he had used. 317 00:22:51,953 --> 00:22:53,997 She said, 318 00:22:54,081 --> 00:22:56,416 "You know, honey. This doesn't apply to you." 319 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:59,961 "This doesn't pertain to you at all. I know you're your dad and I's." 320 00:23:00,045 --> 00:23:03,507 Um, but something in my gut, I just couldn't let it go. 321 00:23:05,258 --> 00:23:08,637 So I notified Jacoba via Facebook. 322 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,599 She wasn't really sure if this would pertain to me at all, 323 00:23:12,682 --> 00:23:16,728 'cause I was supposed to have been from my father and not a donor. 324 00:23:16,812 --> 00:23:19,523 So she said the best way to do it is just take a test. 325 00:23:19,606 --> 00:23:20,649 And once I took that test, 326 00:23:20,732 --> 00:23:23,110 if we were related, her name would show up. 327 00:23:33,829 --> 00:23:35,956 Hardest thing I've ever had to go through. 328 00:23:41,336 --> 00:23:44,172 Go back to everything that you've known about yourself. 329 00:23:46,383 --> 00:23:50,095 It just completely washes away your identity. 330 00:23:52,681 --> 00:23:55,350 And you really have no idea who you are anymore. 331 00:23:58,311 --> 00:23:59,855 We both cried on the phone, 332 00:24:01,022 --> 00:24:03,817 and then I had to… 333 00:24:05,986 --> 00:24:08,071 …figure out a way I was gonna tell my husband 334 00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:11,783 'cause I knew that it was gonna devastate him. 335 00:24:11,867 --> 00:24:15,412 I said, "Remember when we went to Dr. Cline?" 336 00:24:15,912 --> 00:24:19,583 And I said, "Unfortunately, um, 337 00:24:19,666 --> 00:24:23,503 Dr. Cline didn't use your sperm. He used his own." 338 00:24:24,212 --> 00:24:25,046 "So… 339 00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:30,135 we're just now finding out that Julie is not yours." 340 00:24:31,261 --> 00:24:32,929 My husband started crying. 341 00:24:33,763 --> 00:24:38,310 And he said that, and I'll never forget these words. 342 00:24:38,393 --> 00:24:41,855 He says, "He's taken everything away from me." 343 00:24:43,607 --> 00:24:44,608 And he did. 344 00:24:45,942 --> 00:24:46,943 It's hard. 345 00:24:47,027 --> 00:24:49,905 I mean, what did he do with my dad's sperm? 346 00:24:49,988 --> 00:24:52,115 He just threw it away like it was nothing? 347 00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:56,328 I mean, it's just-- It's wrong. 348 00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:09,049 After I met with Doug, 349 00:25:09,549 --> 00:25:12,844 he had called me and said, 350 00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:16,306 "I will do whatever it takes to get you the answers." 351 00:25:17,182 --> 00:25:19,476 And I said, "We want to meet him." 352 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:21,520 "We have questions for him." 353 00:25:23,104 --> 00:25:25,357 "I want him to look us in the eye." 354 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,026 "You at least owe us that much." 355 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:35,534 And so he set up a time for myself and five other siblings 356 00:25:35,617 --> 00:25:37,118 to be able to meet Cline. 357 00:25:45,168 --> 00:25:48,046 It was almost like the moment that his feet hit the floor, 358 00:25:48,129 --> 00:25:50,924 you could hear his footsteps, 359 00:25:51,007 --> 00:25:52,717 and you could hear his cane. 360 00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:57,514 He was not showing emotion. 361 00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:02,644 And on his hip, I could see the outline of a gun. 362 00:26:04,646 --> 00:26:08,525 I think that it was partially to intimidate us. 363 00:26:11,111 --> 00:26:13,488 So he introduced himself, 364 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:18,493 and he went around the table, asking each one's name, age, 365 00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:21,204 and what they did for a profession. 366 00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:28,837 It was almost like he was ranking us. 367 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,505 Like, "Let me see 368 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:34,634 which one of my offspring made it to the top." 369 00:26:35,635 --> 00:26:37,470 I felt like we were being judged. 370 00:26:40,056 --> 00:26:42,684 Then we asked about medical history 371 00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:47,022 because some of us, we have autoimmune disorders and stuff. 372 00:26:48,231 --> 00:26:51,568 He said that there was nothing that we needed to worry about. 373 00:26:53,737 --> 00:26:56,031 He had a piece of paper with him 374 00:26:56,114 --> 00:26:58,783 that he brought scripture on. 375 00:26:58,867 --> 00:27:00,535 Jeremiah- 5. 376 00:27:01,661 --> 00:27:05,123 I remember him looking at me and going, "Jacoba, this is for you." 377 00:27:05,206 --> 00:27:07,667 Because he knew I was having a hard time with this, 378 00:27:07,751 --> 00:27:10,086 and I'm like, "Put that shit away." 379 00:27:10,962 --> 00:27:14,591 I said-- I did, I said, "Just put that shit away." 380 00:27:14,674 --> 00:27:18,136 "You're not gonna use my God to justify your actions." 381 00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:23,975 One of my siblings did ask him why he used his own sperm. 382 00:27:24,059 --> 00:27:27,479 And he said that he only did it 383 00:27:27,562 --> 00:27:29,481 because he felt like the mothers 384 00:27:29,564 --> 00:27:33,068 were just basically desperate for a child, 385 00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:35,320 and he was doing it to help them. 386 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:40,784 Finally, he said that the absolute number, 387 00:27:40,867 --> 00:27:43,578 there would not be more than 15 siblings. 388 00:27:51,878 --> 00:27:53,463 It's just too fucked up. 389 00:27:58,635 --> 00:28:00,011 {\an8} 390 00:28:00,095 --> 00:28:02,263 {\an8}I… I just felt bad for my mother. 391 00:28:04,307 --> 00:28:05,225 I mean… 392 00:28:07,268 --> 00:28:08,520 here she was, you know, 393 00:28:08,603 --> 00:28:11,648 a young woman just wanting to have a family 394 00:28:11,731 --> 00:28:13,024 like anyone else. 395 00:28:19,572 --> 00:28:22,909 It's a sick individual that puts themselves in that position 396 00:28:22,992 --> 00:28:24,202 to be able to do that. 397 00:28:28,331 --> 00:28:32,001 {\an8}There are parts of me that wish that I never had to deal with infertility. 398 00:28:39,426 --> 00:28:41,094 I wish that walk on no one. 399 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:48,643 The way it worked for me with Cline is, uh, 400 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:50,895 I would go to his office. 401 00:28:52,981 --> 00:28:55,859 He was always the only one in the office, 402 00:28:55,942 --> 00:28:58,445 whether I was coming in on a weekend or during the week, 403 00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:01,072 during the midday, or late evening. 404 00:29:01,656 --> 00:29:04,951 He was the only one that greeted me in his office, which was strange. 405 00:29:09,038 --> 00:29:11,458 And now the truth is that, 406 00:29:11,541 --> 00:29:13,460 as Cline was closing the door 407 00:29:13,543 --> 00:29:16,004 and I'm undressing and putting my feet in the stirrups 408 00:29:16,087 --> 00:29:19,466 getting ready for him to bring in the donor's sperm, 409 00:29:19,966 --> 00:29:24,804 he was in the-- some other place in the office ejaculating, 410 00:29:24,888 --> 00:29:28,558 and not only creating the erection, but he has to go in full force 411 00:29:28,641 --> 00:29:31,394 in a sexual manner to create that ejaculation. 412 00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:36,691 To me, that has always remained a very sad part to me, 413 00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:38,193 and disgusting. 414 00:29:39,569 --> 00:29:42,530 That he was placing then his semen 415 00:29:42,614 --> 00:29:45,241 into some kind of syringe, 416 00:29:46,117 --> 00:29:50,997 and then he's got to place that syringe at the base of my cervix. 417 00:29:53,249 --> 00:29:54,793 The fact that he 418 00:29:55,877 --> 00:29:58,463 was still in an endocrine high 419 00:29:58,546 --> 00:30:00,548 from having the ejaculation 420 00:30:01,716 --> 00:30:04,803 has no place in a medical setting. 421 00:30:08,264 --> 00:30:11,684 When Matt's DNA test came back… 422 00:30:17,023 --> 00:30:18,817 my first words were, 423 00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:22,278 "I was raped 15 times and didn't even know it." 424 00:30:27,242 --> 00:30:29,661 This is unbelievable. 425 00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:31,996 How the fuck did no one know? 426 00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:35,959 I mean, just even the act of what he did 427 00:30:36,042 --> 00:30:38,545 for so many years, 428 00:30:38,628 --> 00:30:41,339 and to just get away with it 429 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,844 for decades, and no one knew anything. 430 00:30:46,511 --> 00:30:48,137 No one in the office? 431 00:30:48,763 --> 00:30:49,639 Come on. 432 00:30:50,723 --> 00:30:52,267 Well, here's the thing. 433 00:30:53,268 --> 00:30:55,103 There wasn't much traffic on that first floor 434 00:30:55,186 --> 00:30:57,438 other than we'd come directly into our office. 435 00:30:57,522 --> 00:31:00,942 Don could have clearly collected a specimen, 436 00:31:01,442 --> 00:31:04,028 {\an8}and then he got it back, and no one would know. 437 00:31:04,112 --> 00:31:06,823 {\an8}They could-- The nurse could be in there for the insemination. 438 00:31:06,906 --> 00:31:10,201 They wouldn't know if it was a donor from the hospital or not. 439 00:31:12,245 --> 00:31:15,790 {\an8}Dr. Colver and I have discussed it, and we had no idea. 440 00:31:16,374 --> 00:31:19,419 {\an8}It just was never a thought, 441 00:31:19,502 --> 00:31:22,005 because it was so totally opposite 442 00:31:23,131 --> 00:31:25,300 from his normal behavior. 443 00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:35,018 This was a person of a position of power. 444 00:31:35,602 --> 00:31:37,770 {\an8}He's known in our community as a philanthropist. 445 00:31:37,854 --> 00:31:40,398 {\an8}He's known in our community as an elder of the church. 446 00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:43,902 He was always a doctor. 447 00:31:44,652 --> 00:31:47,363 He was not gonna sit there and chat with you. 448 00:31:47,947 --> 00:31:49,991 It was all pretty much 449 00:31:51,326 --> 00:31:53,786 doctor-person relationship. 450 00:31:54,871 --> 00:31:57,749 Or a stern father figure, 451 00:31:57,832 --> 00:32:00,960 if, you know, if you can relate better to that. 452 00:32:02,211 --> 00:32:06,090 {\an8}Mark was stationed at Grissom Air Force Base, 453 00:32:06,174 --> 00:32:07,675 {\an8}and so was Don, 454 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:11,596 {\an8}and we were socially friendly. 455 00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:15,183 I would say arrogant fits him, for some reason. 456 00:32:15,266 --> 00:32:18,937 I mean, I don't know exactly why I felt that way. 457 00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:23,107 You… you do because you were in study groups and so on. 458 00:32:23,983 --> 00:32:27,904 Uh, he was… he was okay. I mean, he obviously was a bright guy. 459 00:32:27,987 --> 00:32:29,989 He thought he knew-- He did know a lot. 460 00:32:30,073 --> 00:32:31,658 He always was confident. 461 00:32:32,241 --> 00:32:33,618 He always was self-assured. 462 00:32:33,701 --> 00:32:36,579 He wasn't-- I never saw him doubt 463 00:32:37,372 --> 00:32:39,874 that what he was doing wasn't right. 464 00:32:42,251 --> 00:32:45,713 If you knew something, and he knew something, he knew more. 465 00:32:46,714 --> 00:32:48,383 That was his attitude. 466 00:32:49,425 --> 00:32:54,764 He always belittled how much I knew about child de-- 467 00:32:54,847 --> 00:32:57,141 You know, child development, even. 468 00:32:57,934 --> 00:33:00,395 I mean, that was my area of specialty. 469 00:33:00,478 --> 00:33:05,274 Uh, I… I have a PhD in neurobiology, 470 00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:08,653 and I'm also, um, an occupational therapist, 471 00:33:08,736 --> 00:33:11,030 and I treated preemies. 472 00:33:12,073 --> 00:33:13,408 But he knew more. 473 00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:17,662 If you crossed him… 474 00:33:19,497 --> 00:33:20,415 …that was it. 475 00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:31,217 The first conversations that I had with Dr. Cline, 476 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:33,761 he told me that he was protected under HIPAA. 477 00:33:34,262 --> 00:33:38,224 He told me that I could be sued or that Fox 59 could be sued. 478 00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:43,062 He made it very clear that I needed to be careful. 479 00:33:44,188 --> 00:33:46,524 So, that's when Cline called me. 480 00:33:47,525 --> 00:33:48,901 I was in shock. 481 00:33:48,985 --> 00:33:50,862 I don't know what it was in me. 482 00:33:51,654 --> 00:33:54,615 He called my home phone, and I recorded that conversation. 483 00:33:55,408 --> 00:33:56,868 -Jacoba? -Yes. 484 00:33:57,869 --> 00:33:59,620 Uh, this is Dr. Cline. 485 00:34:00,246 --> 00:34:03,332 Uh, do you have time to talk with me just a little bit? 486 00:34:03,416 --> 00:34:05,293 -Yes. -Okay. 487 00:34:05,793 --> 00:34:10,923 Um, I'm getting, uh, a real problem with, um, 488 00:34:11,674 --> 00:34:15,803 uh, the television station, um, 59. 489 00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:16,929 Mm-hmm. 490 00:34:17,013 --> 00:34:22,351 Um, they are demanding, um, that I meet with them. 491 00:34:23,728 --> 00:34:25,438 Uh, I can't do that. 492 00:34:25,521 --> 00:34:29,025 Uh, it's not fair to me. It's not fair to you all. 493 00:34:30,193 --> 00:34:32,737 Uh, they're… they're trying to make a, um… 494 00:34:34,322 --> 00:34:36,324 Oh… 495 00:34:36,407 --> 00:34:39,619 They're… they're trying to, um… 496 00:34:41,704 --> 00:34:43,581 improve their ratings, 497 00:34:44,499 --> 00:34:50,880 and, um, my wife and I, after 57 years of marriage… 498 00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:54,175 Um, if… if this comes out, 499 00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:57,845 uh, our marriage will be over. 500 00:34:58,638 --> 00:34:59,597 Um, 501 00:35:00,431 --> 00:35:01,474 can you help? 502 00:35:02,308 --> 00:35:05,645 I mean, no disrespect, 503 00:35:05,728 --> 00:35:09,899 but I feel like what you're telling me is to keep my life a secret. 504 00:35:09,982 --> 00:35:15,029 That I am not allowed to know who I am… 505 00:35:16,155 --> 00:35:18,533 -Well-- -…when I didn't do anything wrong. 506 00:35:19,325 --> 00:35:22,161 Well, yes, but you know, I didn't-- 507 00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:25,540 At the time, I didn't feel like I was doing anything wrong either. 508 00:35:25,623 --> 00:35:29,043 But you-- I feel like I'm being blamed for this, like it's my fault. 509 00:35:29,127 --> 00:35:30,586 I don't understand. 510 00:35:31,254 --> 00:35:36,300 It's, uh, it's your fault because I don't care who you tell. 511 00:35:36,384 --> 00:35:37,426 It's just 512 00:35:38,386 --> 00:35:43,182 putting it on television for the entire world to see. 513 00:35:45,393 --> 00:35:48,938 Well, I… I cannot… Like I said, I can't control her. 514 00:35:49,021 --> 00:35:51,440 I can't stop that. I can't. 515 00:35:52,108 --> 00:35:55,945 Well, because you… you… you can stop talking to her and say, 516 00:35:56,028 --> 00:35:58,781 "You know, I… I just don't want to share anymore." 517 00:36:00,283 --> 00:36:02,243 I'm just telling you what's gonna happen, 518 00:36:02,326 --> 00:36:04,871 and I'm going to be hurt badly. 519 00:36:04,954 --> 00:36:08,749 Well, that's what's happened to everybody so far, 520 00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:13,171 and you know, that… that's because of the actions-- 521 00:36:13,254 --> 00:36:15,923 This tells me that that's exactly what you want. 522 00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:27,476 When you push me, I'm gonna push back 100 times more. 523 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,812 So when he called me, it's like, 524 00:36:30,521 --> 00:36:31,647 "Bring it on." 525 00:36:33,691 --> 00:36:36,611 "Bring it on because I'm ready to fight you." 526 00:36:37,111 --> 00:36:39,822 ♪ When I go, don't cry for me ♪ 527 00:36:39,906 --> 00:36:42,533 ♪ In my Father's arms, I'll be ♪ 528 00:36:42,617 --> 00:36:46,370 I contacted the Attorney General's office again 529 00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:49,540 to get a status on this complaint, 530 00:36:49,624 --> 00:36:52,293 and nobody was returning my calls. 531 00:36:52,376 --> 00:36:55,504 ♪ Sun and moon will be replaced ♪ 532 00:36:55,588 --> 00:36:57,089 ♪ With the light of… ♪ 533 00:36:57,173 --> 00:36:59,759 So I decided to investigate him myself. 534 00:37:00,927 --> 00:37:03,346 ♪ And I will not be ashamed ♪ 535 00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:05,598 ♪ For my Savior knows my name ♪ 536 00:37:05,681 --> 00:37:08,517 I started researching everything about him, 537 00:37:09,435 --> 00:37:13,147 from papers written, to articles, 538 00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:18,361 to conferences he had attended, to blogs. 539 00:37:18,444 --> 00:37:22,949 ♪ It don't matter anywhere I lay ♪ 540 00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:24,867 It was so much research. 541 00:37:24,951 --> 00:37:27,119 ♪ All my tears be washed away ♪ 542 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,164 I had just papers everywhere 543 00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:33,542 to prove that I wasn't some crazy maniac. 544 00:37:33,626 --> 00:37:35,628 ♪ All my tears be washed away ♪ 545 00:37:35,711 --> 00:37:37,546 He wanted me to keep quiet. 546 00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:39,548 And he wanted me to keep quiet 547 00:37:39,632 --> 00:37:42,301 because he knew that there were more siblings. 548 00:37:49,892 --> 00:37:52,853 My husband gave me a DNA test as a gift, 549 00:37:54,438 --> 00:37:57,733 {\an8}and then I got a message saying, 550 00:37:58,442 --> 00:37:59,819 {\an8}"I think we're related." 551 00:38:03,614 --> 00:38:06,659 When it all hit me, I kind of 552 00:38:07,368 --> 00:38:10,329 just sat and stared for the rest of the day. 553 00:38:11,205 --> 00:38:14,583 And then, for the next couple of weeks, had a complete identity crisis, 554 00:38:14,667 --> 00:38:16,294 and I couldn't look in the mirror. 555 00:38:16,377 --> 00:38:19,255 I didn't wanna think about where I got my hair from, 556 00:38:19,338 --> 00:38:20,923 or where I got my eyes from, 557 00:38:21,465 --> 00:38:23,801 because I had always thought those were from my dad. 558 00:38:25,261 --> 00:38:29,056 There was never any reason that I would have questioned anything. 559 00:38:29,765 --> 00:38:31,350 My parents trusted their doctor, 560 00:38:31,434 --> 00:38:34,228 who said that it would be better for me to not know, 561 00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:36,397 and that I would never find out. 562 00:38:39,984 --> 00:38:42,570 Every time that a new sibling pops up, 563 00:38:43,446 --> 00:38:46,449 I know that I'm going to call them, 564 00:38:46,532 --> 00:38:50,411 and I know that, um, I'm going to ruin their life. 565 00:38:52,496 --> 00:38:56,375 {\an8}It's hard because we know what we went through. 566 00:38:56,459 --> 00:39:00,046 {\an8}And we're making someone else go through this exact same thing. 567 00:39:03,632 --> 00:39:07,595 The first people who reached out to me were Julie and Jacoba. 568 00:39:09,305 --> 00:39:12,641 I messaged them back and said, "I need some time to process." 569 00:39:12,725 --> 00:39:14,226 "I'll reach back out later." 570 00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:16,729 Um, and so it was probably a couple of months 571 00:39:16,812 --> 00:39:19,815 before I, um, actually reached out 572 00:39:19,899 --> 00:39:22,526 to… to have a conversation with anyone. 573 00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:23,861 Um, 574 00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:26,405 your world is changing. 575 00:39:30,743 --> 00:39:33,204 When you have new siblings pop up, 576 00:39:34,205 --> 00:39:36,040 you are on the phone with them for hours 577 00:39:36,123 --> 00:39:39,335 because it's the worst day of their life. 578 00:39:41,921 --> 00:39:44,340 You've lived that over and over and over. 579 00:39:54,016 --> 00:39:56,936 I asked for a DNA test for Christmas, 580 00:39:57,603 --> 00:39:59,563 {\an8}and I was really confused 581 00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:02,233 {\an8}'cause all of these random names to me 582 00:40:02,316 --> 00:40:05,653 {\an8}were popping up, and it said, "Close Family." 583 00:40:06,278 --> 00:40:08,656 And so I really did not know what "Close Family" meant. 584 00:40:08,739 --> 00:40:11,325 It did… did not even-- I did not even think, 585 00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:13,828 "Oh, brother or sister," I didn't even think, "Cousin." 586 00:40:13,953 --> 00:40:16,163 I got a message that a new sibling popped up, 587 00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:19,417 and I logged in, and it said, you know, "Lisa," 588 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:22,920 and her last name, and I was like, "Huh, I know her." 589 00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:26,507 Her husband taught my daughter on the softball team. 590 00:40:26,590 --> 00:40:30,761 Um, my daughter and her daughter played basketball together. 591 00:40:30,845 --> 00:40:32,138 I sent her a message, and I said, 592 00:40:32,221 --> 00:40:34,849 "Hey, did you happen to do an Ancestry test?" 593 00:40:34,932 --> 00:40:37,768 She said, "Well, do you know about the Dr. Cline story?" 594 00:40:37,852 --> 00:40:39,520 And she said, "He's our father." 595 00:40:40,396 --> 00:40:43,899 And I honestly, I started laughing. 596 00:40:43,983 --> 00:40:48,362 I… I was… thought Julie was kind of crazy. I was like, "What are you talking about?" 597 00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:51,031 "There… there's no way he can be my dad." 598 00:40:52,241 --> 00:40:53,951 And then I called my mom. 599 00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:59,999 I said, "Hey, Mom, did you and Dad ever have any issues conceiving me?" 600 00:41:00,082 --> 00:41:02,710 She said, "Well, I didn't, but yeah, your dad did." 601 00:41:03,627 --> 00:41:06,422 And so my heart dropped a little bit. 602 00:41:06,505 --> 00:41:09,216 And she said, "He actually had a low sperm count, 603 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:12,636 and his doctor recommended us to a specialist." 604 00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:15,931 I said, "Mom, was this specialist in Indianapolis?" 605 00:41:16,015 --> 00:41:17,600 And she said, "Yeah, why?" 606 00:41:17,683 --> 00:41:19,977 And I said, "Was it Dr. Donald Cline?" 607 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:21,520 And she said, "Yes." 608 00:41:24,231 --> 00:41:25,316 She said, 609 00:41:25,399 --> 00:41:27,985 "I went and had the procedure done twice, 610 00:41:28,068 --> 00:41:32,490 but both times your father was there with me and provided a sample." 611 00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:39,538 And so, at that point, I realized my mom and dad had no idea. 612 00:41:40,122 --> 00:41:43,876 They thought all along that I was my dad's. 613 00:41:49,798 --> 00:41:51,091 I worry for my kids, 614 00:41:52,092 --> 00:41:55,387 especially I have siblings that live in the same town as me, 615 00:41:55,471 --> 00:41:56,847 and our kids go to school together. 616 00:41:56,931 --> 00:42:00,518 And so, I've had to have the talk with my daughter about, 617 00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:04,271 "You've got to be careful when you start dating." 618 00:42:04,772 --> 00:42:08,651 "We got to be aware of who this person is," 619 00:42:08,734 --> 00:42:11,153 but it's definitely a huge concern. 620 00:42:13,531 --> 00:42:15,950 When we get a new sibling alert, 621 00:42:16,742 --> 00:42:20,204 you're praying, "Please don't let it be somebody I know." 622 00:42:20,287 --> 00:42:22,581 Or "Please don't let it be somebody I dated." 623 00:42:23,457 --> 00:42:25,584 And I'm sure it's bound to happen. 624 00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:36,303 The majority of us live in, like, a 25-mile radius of each other. 625 00:42:36,929 --> 00:42:40,349 There's also quite a few that live within minutes of Cline. 626 00:42:50,401 --> 00:42:52,152 I walk around, 627 00:42:53,112 --> 00:42:55,447 and I could be related to anyone. 628 00:42:57,533 --> 00:43:02,037 I mean, it's just common for me to pass people on the street, 629 00:43:02,121 --> 00:43:04,665 um, at work, wherever I may be, 630 00:43:04,748 --> 00:43:07,376 and, I mean, I'll look at them and think, 631 00:43:07,459 --> 00:43:10,421 "Oh, the way you stand, the way you look." 632 00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:12,965 "You could be related to me." 633 00:43:18,304 --> 00:43:21,223 We live in this small community. 634 00:43:23,517 --> 00:43:25,436 Everyone that you interact with 635 00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,980 appears to have some sort of connection to Cline. 636 00:43:29,189 --> 00:43:31,984 My dentist across the street was a patient of his. 637 00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:37,823 My next-door neighbor was the nurse to one of my half-siblings, 638 00:43:37,906 --> 00:43:40,159 and then there's this connection, 639 00:43:40,242 --> 00:43:41,702 or there's that connection. 640 00:43:41,785 --> 00:43:44,580 "Oh, my mom saw them at the nail salon." 641 00:43:55,799 --> 00:43:59,637 I think without a doubt, there are probably people that I've met 642 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:03,265 that are my half-sibling, and I just don't even know it. 643 00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:04,767 They don't even know it. 644 00:44:28,749 --> 00:44:30,959 Who knows how many siblings we have? 645 00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:40,177 I had emailed Dr. Cline and told him, 646 00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:42,888 "We're moving forward with the story. We would be using his name." 647 00:44:42,971 --> 00:44:47,935 You know, "This is the time for you to come clean to the public." 648 00:44:48,936 --> 00:44:52,106 So, finally, he said, "If there's no audio and no video, I will meet with you." 649 00:44:53,107 --> 00:44:55,317 I asked him if he wanted to come to FOX 59. 650 00:44:55,401 --> 00:44:56,819 He said no. I said, 651 00:44:56,902 --> 00:44:59,488 "There's a restaurant close to the TV station." 652 00:44:59,571 --> 00:45:01,240 And I wanted to be close to the TV station 653 00:45:01,323 --> 00:45:03,117 because I wanted to make sure for my safety. 654 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,786 I wanted it to be someplace that I felt safe. 655 00:45:06,704 --> 00:45:10,708 My boss at that time wanted me to take our security guard with us 656 00:45:10,791 --> 00:45:13,210 because she feared for my safety. 657 00:45:13,293 --> 00:45:16,213 We knew that Dr. Cline did not want to, quote, "be outed," 658 00:45:16,296 --> 00:45:20,092 and Jacoba told me that he carried a gun. 659 00:45:20,592 --> 00:45:22,261 We thought that he was desperate. 660 00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:29,226 She is, um, uh, demanding I meet with… with them. 661 00:45:31,478 --> 00:45:33,981 They're going to force me to do this. 662 00:45:34,064 --> 00:45:36,316 -Mm-hmm. -I've gotta tell the truth. 663 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,194 -Mm-hmm. Well-- -And I don't want to do that. 664 00:45:40,028 --> 00:45:41,697 I was very nervous, 665 00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:44,867 and when he came in, it was within minutes he's asking me 666 00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:47,286 if guns are allowed in the restaurant. 667 00:45:47,369 --> 00:45:49,830 And I'm thinking, "What a weird thing to say to me." 668 00:45:49,913 --> 00:45:53,417 Then I'm looking down, and it looks like he has a gun underneath his sweater. 669 00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:56,003 There's something bulging on the side, and I'm thinking, 670 00:45:56,587 --> 00:45:59,381 "I don't wanna be crazy, but is there any chance 671 00:45:59,882 --> 00:46:01,592 that he could pull out a gun and shoot me?" 672 00:46:01,675 --> 00:46:03,218 I honestly thought that. 673 00:46:06,972 --> 00:46:09,558 One of the first things he said in our conversation 674 00:46:09,641 --> 00:46:11,226 was that he knew where I lived, 675 00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:12,895 and he knew where I was from. 676 00:46:12,978 --> 00:46:15,355 Remember, this was after he had said before, 677 00:46:16,231 --> 00:46:17,274 "Be careful." 678 00:46:18,609 --> 00:46:20,444 The meeting was about an hour long, 679 00:46:20,527 --> 00:46:23,405 and I feel like he was begging me 680 00:46:24,198 --> 00:46:26,200 to not air the story. 681 00:46:26,992 --> 00:46:28,660 He said, "It will ruin my marriage." 682 00:46:29,536 --> 00:46:32,372 "It will hurt my church. I'm an elder at the church." 683 00:46:33,373 --> 00:46:37,711 I let him know that we have that burden to tell the truth, 684 00:46:37,795 --> 00:46:40,047 and the truth matters. 685 00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:50,849 So that's when, like, the whole whirlwind just started with him, 686 00:46:50,933 --> 00:46:54,186 and strange things started happening. 687 00:46:57,481 --> 00:46:59,066 I had woke up one day, 688 00:46:59,566 --> 00:47:03,028 and all of the lug nuts were missing off of my car. 689 00:47:04,279 --> 00:47:06,323 And I'm talking all four tires. 690 00:47:14,081 --> 00:47:15,249 And that's scary. 691 00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:18,460 So, yeah. 692 00:47:20,128 --> 00:47:21,046 Um… 693 00:47:21,672 --> 00:47:24,591 And you can't tell me that that's like some freak… 694 00:47:25,425 --> 00:47:26,260 Yeah. 695 00:47:30,222 --> 00:47:31,223 I was hacked. 696 00:47:31,723 --> 00:47:36,228 Everything that I had saved to a Google Drive 697 00:47:36,311 --> 00:47:40,440 of publications of Cline was just erased, 698 00:47:40,983 --> 00:47:45,988 and every single email regarding him was gone. 699 00:47:49,157 --> 00:47:51,493 Soon after I went public, 700 00:47:51,577 --> 00:47:53,954 I started getting harassing phone calls, 701 00:47:54,037 --> 00:47:56,081 like the cemetery 702 00:47:56,164 --> 00:47:58,250 asking if I wanted to buy a plot 703 00:47:58,834 --> 00:48:00,210 for me to be buried in. 704 00:48:02,796 --> 00:48:05,299 I think it was to rattle me. 705 00:48:05,382 --> 00:48:06,508 Um… 706 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,014 to… to re-traumatize me so that I would be quiet. 707 00:48:12,764 --> 00:48:18,270 I don't think he wanted, um, any of us to talk publicly if he could help it. 708 00:48:20,856 --> 00:48:24,067 In my gut, I feel like we're being harassed and stalked 709 00:48:24,151 --> 00:48:25,944 to get us to shut up, 710 00:48:26,028 --> 00:48:29,197 especially when Cline called and threatened me over the phone. 711 00:48:31,074 --> 00:48:34,244 What you're doing is that you're telling the world, 712 00:48:35,495 --> 00:48:38,248 and the world doesn't need to know. 713 00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:43,462 -I-- -I'm not trying to do harm. 714 00:48:44,379 --> 00:48:45,881 Well, you are. 715 00:48:50,093 --> 00:48:51,970 I'm not scared of you. 716 00:48:54,806 --> 00:48:56,224 You can threaten me, 717 00:48:57,351 --> 00:48:59,436 but I will never back down. 718 00:49:02,522 --> 00:49:04,399 I am going to expose you. 719 00:49:09,404 --> 00:49:11,949 And I'm gonna expose all of your secrets. 720 00:49:19,456 --> 00:49:21,124 I found out that 721 00:49:22,167 --> 00:49:24,002 in 1963… 722 00:49:26,129 --> 00:49:27,547 …he was driving… 723 00:49:35,472 --> 00:49:39,351 …and this little girl darted out between two cars… 724 00:49:43,855 --> 00:49:45,565 …and he hit her. 725 00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:58,120 No! 726 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:04,918 She ended up dying. 727 00:50:07,879 --> 00:50:11,466 He has told everybody that's when he changed his life. 728 00:50:13,218 --> 00:50:14,511 That's when he found God. 729 00:50:19,224 --> 00:50:21,226 That traumatized him. 730 00:50:22,060 --> 00:50:25,230 {\an8}After that, he became more religious 731 00:50:25,313 --> 00:50:28,650 {\an8}and, um, churchgoing than he had been before. 732 00:50:30,277 --> 00:50:32,946 Maybe he thought that this was his way of giving back, 733 00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:35,240 that he took a life that really wasn't his fault. 734 00:50:35,323 --> 00:50:37,242 Now, he was going to give back. 735 00:50:37,325 --> 00:50:40,954 Maybe that was a psychological process going through his mind. 736 00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:46,084 But it doesn't really matter because that should not have been a way 737 00:50:46,168 --> 00:50:48,712 that he was trying… to try to, uh, make amends 738 00:50:48,795 --> 00:50:50,881 for some terrible accident that happened. 739 00:50:53,633 --> 00:50:56,428 He was very religious, 740 00:50:57,137 --> 00:51:00,891 had very deep roots, 741 00:51:00,974 --> 00:51:04,478 and he and his wife taught marriage counseling in their church. 742 00:51:04,561 --> 00:51:06,146 They taught Sunday school. 743 00:51:06,772 --> 00:51:10,233 And whenever he was in the office and all of us were there, 744 00:51:10,317 --> 00:51:14,696 he would sit down, and we would wait, and he would say a prayer. 745 00:51:16,573 --> 00:51:18,992 He, at some point, asked me 746 00:51:19,826 --> 00:51:21,495 if I was Jewish, 747 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,581 and I said yes. 748 00:51:24,664 --> 00:51:28,627 {\an8}And I said, "And by the way, I'm very uncomfortable with your office 749 00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:31,088 {\an8}full of all kinds of Christian sayings." 750 00:51:31,171 --> 00:51:34,299 {\an8}Things like, "If you want to get into heaven, 751 00:51:34,883 --> 00:51:36,343 {\an8}you need to be Christian." 752 00:51:46,061 --> 00:51:47,938 {\an8}Yeah. I knew… I knew Donald Cline. 753 00:51:51,274 --> 00:51:53,819 The church is set up where they have an eldership. 754 00:51:53,902 --> 00:51:57,155 So they have seven or eight men 755 00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,076 that governed the church body as far as what was taught, 756 00:52:01,576 --> 00:52:04,579 and he was one of those elders. 757 00:52:06,832 --> 00:52:11,545 We would go over to his house for baptisms. 758 00:52:13,004 --> 00:52:17,843 Literally, 50 to 100 people would attend baptisms 759 00:52:17,926 --> 00:52:20,137 right there in their… at their swimming pool. 760 00:52:23,098 --> 00:52:25,350 That's where we really got to know them. 761 00:52:26,101 --> 00:52:28,228 From a Christian perspective, you have to say, 762 00:52:28,311 --> 00:52:30,438 "Hey, we… we all have skeletons in our closet." 763 00:52:30,522 --> 00:52:33,650 "We all have done things that we regret doing." 764 00:52:36,236 --> 00:52:38,905 I know that he and God have reconciled that. 765 00:52:41,533 --> 00:52:45,078 That he's been forgiven, and that he has moved on from that, 766 00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:47,164 and he's a different person now. 767 00:52:49,082 --> 00:52:52,335 He portrays himself as this godly man. 768 00:52:52,961 --> 00:52:54,629 And I know we all make mistakes, 769 00:52:54,713 --> 00:52:57,549 but I think there's more behind this. 770 00:52:57,632 --> 00:52:59,259 What made him 771 00:53:00,093 --> 00:53:03,722 every day wake up and decide to go into his work, 772 00:53:05,265 --> 00:53:06,391 masturbate, 773 00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:11,479 and place it unknowingly inside women without their consent. 774 00:53:15,817 --> 00:53:17,527 He could've stopped at any point, 775 00:53:17,611 --> 00:53:21,406 but he kept doing it over and over and over and over. 776 00:53:37,255 --> 00:53:41,176 Growing up, I kind of knew that something was off. 777 00:53:41,259 --> 00:53:42,719 Something was different. 778 00:53:48,058 --> 00:53:50,977 You know, why do I got blond hair, blue eyes? 779 00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:55,982 Everyone in my family has dark eyes and dark hair. 780 00:53:58,902 --> 00:54:03,490 So, I got an Ancestry kit just to figure out where I came from. 781 00:54:05,867 --> 00:54:08,787 When Ancestry results came through, my coworker said, 782 00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:13,208 {\an8}"Well, you'll have 11, 15 hits on Ancestry." 783 00:54:13,291 --> 00:54:14,334 {\an8} 784 00:54:14,417 --> 00:54:18,129 {\an8}Well, when I opened up mine, I had over 3,000 hits. 785 00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:24,970 And then immediately after that, 786 00:54:25,553 --> 00:54:26,554 Jacoba called me. 787 00:54:27,222 --> 00:54:28,390 "I'm your sister." 788 00:54:29,724 --> 00:54:31,309 And she told me the truth. 789 00:54:32,978 --> 00:54:37,440 I don't even know how to tell you the emotions that came over my head. 790 00:54:39,276 --> 00:54:42,529 Took me to an incredibly dark place. 791 00:54:44,489 --> 00:54:45,532 Why? 792 00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:48,201 Why feel the need to do this? 793 00:54:48,285 --> 00:54:50,704 Is it to… to further your career? 794 00:54:53,081 --> 00:54:55,458 Is it to be the best of the best? 795 00:54:55,542 --> 00:54:57,460 Is this to create life? 796 00:54:57,544 --> 00:55:00,505 Is this some sort of sexual thing? 797 00:55:01,006 --> 00:55:02,632 Like, I don't know. 798 00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:06,303 I feel like he's hiding something more sinister. 799 00:55:14,602 --> 00:55:17,689 Jason, we talked on the phone a lot before we got to meet. 800 00:55:17,772 --> 00:55:19,024 Hey, how are you? 801 00:55:21,693 --> 00:55:22,694 This is crazy. 802 00:55:22,777 --> 00:55:23,820 I know! 803 00:55:24,487 --> 00:55:26,448 Jason and I are very similar. 804 00:55:26,531 --> 00:55:28,908 Like, we can read through people's bullshit. 805 00:55:30,702 --> 00:55:32,203 When someone isn't religious, 806 00:55:32,287 --> 00:55:35,665 and you're gonna use religious verses to justify your actions, 807 00:55:36,249 --> 00:55:37,625 that just makes it even more-- 808 00:55:37,709 --> 00:55:39,252 Worse. I would have just laughed at him. 809 00:55:39,336 --> 00:55:42,339 Well, and it makes it even more of a reasoning of people saying, 810 00:55:42,422 --> 00:55:45,175 "That right there is why I would never be religious 811 00:55:45,258 --> 00:55:47,093 because of fuck nuts like you." 812 00:55:47,177 --> 00:55:48,928 And it took all I had in me 813 00:55:50,305 --> 00:55:52,974 to talk to him on the phone that day without going off. 814 00:55:53,058 --> 00:55:55,185 And I thought, "You've just got to remain calm 815 00:55:55,268 --> 00:55:57,896 because you're recording this, and try to get as much out." 816 00:55:58,897 --> 00:56:00,023 Let me hear it. 817 00:56:02,650 --> 00:56:05,862 You know, I know that nothing happens without God, 818 00:56:06,446 --> 00:56:08,406 um, allowing it. 819 00:56:08,907 --> 00:56:10,116 -Um… 820 00:56:10,617 --> 00:56:12,535 See, I think that's where our problem is. 821 00:56:12,619 --> 00:56:15,121 I don't think that God should have allowed it in the first place, 822 00:56:15,205 --> 00:56:19,084 and I really think that we ask ourselves every day, "Why are we here?" 823 00:56:20,043 --> 00:56:22,754 I think that's, like, a lot of our problems. 824 00:56:23,922 --> 00:56:24,756 Yeah. 825 00:56:24,839 --> 00:56:29,928 Well, you know, I mentioned one of my favorite, um… 826 00:56:31,262 --> 00:56:35,934 One of my favorite scriptures was Jeremiah- 5. 827 00:56:37,310 --> 00:56:38,853 If you'll remember, it says, 828 00:56:38,937 --> 00:56:42,524 "Before I formed you in your mother's womb, I knew you." 829 00:56:42,607 --> 00:56:44,609 Mm-hmm. Yeah. 830 00:56:44,692 --> 00:56:45,568 Um, 831 00:56:46,444 --> 00:56:50,615 and… and that tells me, and it should tell everybody 832 00:56:50,698 --> 00:56:54,911 that no one is born as a mistake. 833 00:56:55,453 --> 00:56:58,998 Before I knew you, in your mother-- What it… What was it? It's-- 834 00:56:59,082 --> 00:57:02,335 "Before I formed you in your mother's womb, I knew you." 835 00:57:02,919 --> 00:57:04,629 Jeremiah- 5. 836 00:57:04,712 --> 00:57:06,673 Which really just kinda… 837 00:57:08,716 --> 00:57:12,345 nails it all home that he knew what he was doing. 838 00:57:13,596 --> 00:57:15,890 He knew exactly what he was doing with us. 839 00:57:21,479 --> 00:57:23,982 I've just become obsessed with the story 840 00:57:24,065 --> 00:57:26,901 and trying to piece everything together. 841 00:57:27,402 --> 00:57:29,988 When I was sent an email 842 00:57:30,071 --> 00:57:32,740 from someone at the Attorney General's office, 843 00:57:32,824 --> 00:57:36,161 I would go through, and the person that sent me the email, 844 00:57:36,244 --> 00:57:39,122 and every person that was copied in on that email, 845 00:57:39,205 --> 00:57:41,291 I would search them on Facebook. 846 00:57:42,083 --> 00:57:44,377 And one of the people with the state 847 00:57:44,461 --> 00:57:47,422 has a "Quiverfull" email address. 848 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:49,841 That's when it was-- 849 00:57:50,341 --> 00:57:53,136 "What is Quiverfull? Like, what the hell is it?" 850 00:57:56,347 --> 00:57:58,099 God says, "Children are a blessing." 851 00:57:58,183 --> 00:58:00,477 "We should want to have our quiver full of them…" 852 00:58:01,060 --> 00:58:03,855 Quiverfull. It's essentially a cult 853 00:58:03,938 --> 00:58:06,983 aimed to having as many children as possible. 854 00:58:07,525 --> 00:58:10,778 If a man with his wife has a lot of children, 855 00:58:10,862 --> 00:58:12,906 he will send them out as arrows. 856 00:58:12,989 --> 00:58:16,034 He's like a warrior for God, and he sends his children out 857 00:58:16,117 --> 00:58:19,662 as arrows into the world, who will be ambassadors for God. 858 00:58:23,166 --> 00:58:26,252 The children are raised to actively participate in government, 859 00:58:26,336 --> 00:58:28,213 to actively run for office, 860 00:58:28,296 --> 00:58:31,925 to seek positions of political prominence, 861 00:58:32,008 --> 00:58:36,012 and eventually that the civil law will actually be the Bible. 862 00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:39,766 Lo and behold, Jeremiah- 5, 863 00:58:39,849 --> 00:58:41,976 the verse that he kept using 864 00:58:42,060 --> 00:58:44,479 is one of the Bible verses 865 00:58:45,313 --> 00:58:47,190 that Quiverfull uses. 866 00:58:49,484 --> 00:58:53,112 Basically, for them, women are just-- You… you breed. 867 00:58:54,656 --> 00:58:57,784 Was Cline in this Quiverfull movement? 868 00:59:00,328 --> 00:59:06,251 Were all of us part of some sick, twisted, secret society? 869 00:59:08,753 --> 00:59:11,589 There's so many theories that I've thought of in my head. 870 00:59:14,801 --> 00:59:17,554 I think the philosophies 871 00:59:17,637 --> 00:59:21,599 or the beliefs of the Quiverfull movement seem so outrageous to me 872 00:59:21,683 --> 00:59:24,602 that it's hard for me to actually believe that it's real. 873 00:59:24,686 --> 00:59:27,564 I agree with that and that we could even be a part of it. 874 00:59:27,647 --> 00:59:28,481 Mm-hmm. 875 00:59:28,565 --> 00:59:29,524 Yeah. 876 00:59:30,608 --> 00:59:34,237 With the Quiverfull theory, back when we were all conceived, 877 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,991 that theory was to produce more of the white race 878 00:59:38,575 --> 00:59:42,745 because they were in fear that other races were infiltrating that 879 00:59:42,829 --> 00:59:45,331 and the white race would eventually disappear. 880 00:59:45,832 --> 00:59:46,666 I mean, 881 00:59:47,667 --> 00:59:50,128 when you look at that wall of babies, 882 00:59:50,211 --> 00:59:53,214 it is all Caucasian babies. 883 00:59:56,968 --> 01:00:00,888 It's crazy because every time we get a DNA match, 884 01:00:01,472 --> 01:00:04,142 it's like, "Yep. Looks like one of the Cline boys," 885 01:00:05,184 --> 01:00:06,769 or "Looks like a Cline girl." 886 01:00:08,563 --> 01:00:10,523 Most of us have blond hair 887 01:00:11,024 --> 01:00:12,859 and blue eyes. 888 01:00:15,028 --> 01:00:18,615 I hate to say this 'cause it sounds so-- But it's almost like 889 01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:23,911 we're like this perfect Aryan clan, 890 01:00:23,995 --> 01:00:27,832 and… it's disgusting. 891 01:00:28,499 --> 01:00:31,461 It's sad that we have to have conspiracy theories 892 01:00:31,544 --> 01:00:33,463 to understand why he did this. 893 01:00:33,546 --> 01:00:35,506 If he would just tell us, 894 01:00:35,590 --> 01:00:37,383 then we wouldn't have to go through 895 01:00:37,467 --> 01:00:39,594 of trying to find all these different reasons… 896 01:00:39,677 --> 01:00:41,471 Life would be easier for him if he did. 897 01:00:41,554 --> 01:00:43,139 It would help all of us heal too. 898 01:00:43,222 --> 01:00:45,433 But you're not gonna get that from somebody 899 01:00:45,516 --> 01:00:49,354 that does not have compassion or any empathy. 900 01:00:49,437 --> 01:00:52,857 It's disgusting to sit there and lay in bed at night, 901 01:00:52,940 --> 01:00:56,486 and wonder if the person that created you 902 01:00:57,403 --> 01:00:59,197 is some racist bigot, 903 01:01:00,782 --> 01:01:03,368 and he used my mom as a pawn. 904 01:01:04,535 --> 01:01:07,538 And he did it over and over and over again. 905 01:01:08,373 --> 01:01:10,375 Ugh. 906 01:01:12,835 --> 01:01:13,920 Ugh! 907 01:01:17,215 --> 01:01:18,549 I didn't ask to be born. 908 01:01:18,633 --> 01:01:21,177 I didn't ask to be born into this situation. 909 01:01:23,096 --> 01:01:24,472 But this is my life. 910 01:01:25,014 --> 01:01:26,766 But it's not your fault. 911 01:01:26,849 --> 01:01:31,104 No, it's not, but then you have this man who shares half of my DNA. 912 01:01:32,146 --> 01:01:33,356 Our DNA. 913 01:01:36,442 --> 01:01:38,695 There's just so many theories, and I… 914 01:01:39,487 --> 01:01:42,323 I don't think we'll ever know why he was doing it, 915 01:01:43,449 --> 01:01:44,283 but 916 01:01:45,743 --> 01:01:49,288 I want him to have to pay for it. I want an investigation. 917 01:01:51,249 --> 01:01:52,458 I want him punished. 918 01:02:00,091 --> 01:02:03,219 The Attorney General's office didn't give a shit. 919 01:02:04,387 --> 01:02:07,181 We were told that they couldn't give us any information 920 01:02:07,265 --> 01:02:08,891 and we weren't allowed to know. 921 01:02:10,017 --> 01:02:13,187 And we just kind of got disregarded. 922 01:02:13,688 --> 01:02:16,816 The one person that we had was Angela Ganote, 923 01:02:16,899 --> 01:02:20,153 calling and asking them, "What are you going to do?" 924 01:02:23,197 --> 01:02:26,576 I had started back in 2015, 925 01:02:27,326 --> 01:02:30,455 asking the Attorney General for an interview, 926 01:02:31,622 --> 01:02:36,043 asking anything that I could know about this, and they would tell me nothing. 927 01:02:37,378 --> 01:02:40,339 And then I also reached out to the Marion County prosecutor 928 01:02:40,423 --> 01:02:42,341 and said, "Is anyone listening?" 929 01:02:43,092 --> 01:02:44,385 Finally, the spokesperson 930 01:02:44,469 --> 01:02:46,888 from the Marion County prosecutor's office said, 931 01:02:46,971 --> 01:02:49,474 "Angela, I'm sorry. I don't-- Somehow I missed it." 932 01:02:49,974 --> 01:02:54,729 I laid out a long paragraph of the whole story and what had happened. 933 01:02:54,812 --> 01:02:57,732 I had even sent our story that had aired and said, 934 01:02:57,815 --> 01:02:59,484 "Did you watch our story? 935 01:02:59,567 --> 01:03:02,236 I've been asking these questions for more than a year, 936 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:03,404 and I'm getting nowhere." 937 01:03:03,988 --> 01:03:07,658 "And I feel like it's time that the prosecutor, or the Attorney General, 938 01:03:07,742 --> 01:03:10,995 or somebody sits down and answers the questions that I have." 939 01:03:12,288 --> 01:03:14,749 {\an8}When we got the media inquiry, 940 01:03:14,832 --> 01:03:19,921 {\an8}there hadn't been any true investigation done anywhere yet. 941 01:03:20,004 --> 01:03:21,506 But at the end of the day, 942 01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:24,425 there's just no crime that touches 943 01:03:24,509 --> 01:03:26,093 this particular act. 944 01:03:27,094 --> 01:03:28,054 That's our problem. 945 01:03:31,933 --> 01:03:34,060 So I remember we were sitting there, 946 01:03:34,811 --> 01:03:38,314 and, um, you know, we're asking him, 947 01:03:38,397 --> 01:03:40,107 "How is this not rape?" 948 01:03:40,191 --> 01:03:42,360 I don't deny that it was a sexual violation. 949 01:03:42,443 --> 01:03:45,238 But legally, it isn't a sexual violation. 950 01:03:45,822 --> 01:03:48,825 "I feel like my mother was raped" 951 01:03:48,908 --> 01:03:52,537 is a valid human emotional statement. 952 01:03:53,579 --> 01:03:57,124 But…"Dr. Cline committed rape" 953 01:03:57,208 --> 01:04:01,045 is a legal assertion that was not true, 954 01:04:01,128 --> 01:04:03,589 and I wasn't gonna put it on paper 955 01:04:03,673 --> 01:04:04,966 with my signature. 956 01:04:05,049 --> 01:04:07,176 And I said, "What about battery?" 957 01:04:07,260 --> 01:04:10,179 And… …he got rude with me. 958 01:04:10,263 --> 01:04:14,183 He said, "I don't know how many times I'm gonna have to tell you this." 959 01:04:15,101 --> 01:04:18,187 "I can't charge him with battery. It wasn't battery." 960 01:04:18,271 --> 01:04:20,398 I, uh, was so pissed. 961 01:04:20,481 --> 01:04:22,400 I looked at Tim Delaney, and I said, 962 01:04:22,483 --> 01:04:25,069 "So if I spit in your face right now, 963 01:04:25,152 --> 01:04:26,320 it's not battery?" 964 01:04:26,946 --> 01:04:30,283 And he said, "It is, because you'd be spitting on me." 965 01:04:32,743 --> 01:04:34,579 And I'm like, "What the fuck?" 966 01:04:34,662 --> 01:04:37,790 "So a doctor can go jack off 967 01:04:37,874 --> 01:04:41,377 and put their sperm in a woman 968 01:04:41,460 --> 01:04:44,672 who's their patient that did not consent 969 01:04:44,755 --> 01:04:46,549 to have their doctor do that, 970 01:04:47,842 --> 01:04:50,469 but yet, you're gonna tell me that if I spit in your face, 971 01:04:50,553 --> 01:04:52,847 I'd be arrested and charged with battery?" 972 01:04:52,930 --> 01:04:56,976 Jacoba and a lot of the individuals touched by this were very emotional, 973 01:04:57,059 --> 01:05:02,315 and had, um, a feeling that what I was there to do, 974 01:05:02,899 --> 01:05:05,276 wasn't to apply the law 975 01:05:05,860 --> 01:05:08,863 to determine whether or not Dr. Cline had committed a crime. 976 01:05:09,447 --> 01:05:12,283 They thought I was there to deliver catharsis. 977 01:05:12,783 --> 01:05:13,743 And I wasn't. 978 01:05:22,585 --> 01:05:24,420 There's unequal application of the law. 979 01:05:24,503 --> 01:05:26,797 It happens every day, it happens all over the United States, 980 01:05:26,881 --> 01:05:28,090 and it happens here in Indiana. 981 01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:30,718 Was there fraud? 982 01:05:30,801 --> 01:05:32,511 Was there something else? 983 01:05:34,305 --> 01:05:37,224 I just didn't feel like it was investigated enough 984 01:05:37,308 --> 01:05:40,186 to look at what could he have been charged with. 985 01:05:40,269 --> 01:05:43,356 There was never a good explanation in my mind. 986 01:05:44,649 --> 01:05:46,984 I had a copy of the Indiana sexual assault law, 987 01:05:47,568 --> 01:05:52,031 {\an8}and I said, "Surely, there's somewhere in this law that you can say--" 988 01:05:52,114 --> 01:05:55,117 {\an8}He says, "No, it has to have both components. It has to have force 989 01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:57,411 {\an8}and non-consent." 990 01:05:57,495 --> 01:05:59,080 {\an8}When you talk about rape, 991 01:05:59,163 --> 01:06:01,749 {\an8}there is a provision in Indiana law that says, 992 01:06:01,832 --> 01:06:03,626 {\an8}"Rape can include conduct 993 01:06:03,709 --> 01:06:07,797 which a victim does not know is sexual, but the perpetrator knows is sexual." 994 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,840 And that, I think, is actually the closest charge, 995 01:06:10,633 --> 01:06:13,344 {\an8}because in order for him to produce this sperm sample, 996 01:06:13,427 --> 01:06:15,805 {\an8}he had to masturbate in very close proximity 997 01:06:15,888 --> 01:06:18,057 {\an8}to the office where a patient was waiting, 998 01:06:18,140 --> 01:06:19,725 {\an8}unclothed from the waist down, 999 01:06:19,809 --> 01:06:22,520 {\an8}with a paper cloth covering her knees, 1000 01:06:22,603 --> 01:06:24,230 {\an8}and knees spread apart. 1001 01:06:25,731 --> 01:06:27,191 Who's to say when this touch 1002 01:06:27,274 --> 01:06:29,986 stops becoming sexual and starts becoming clinical? 1003 01:06:30,903 --> 01:06:34,281 I think even if he's not thinking of the patient in a sexual sense, 1004 01:06:34,365 --> 01:06:37,702 the very fact that he's still under the effects of physical arousal 1005 01:06:37,785 --> 01:06:39,662 makes this a sexual touching. 1006 01:06:40,162 --> 01:06:43,916 Even if he's thinking of his wife or a pink fuzzy bunny rabbit, 1007 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,835 it is still a sexual act. 1008 01:06:47,545 --> 01:06:50,381 But I also think we have to see Tim Delaney 1009 01:06:50,464 --> 01:06:52,550 in the context in which this case was brought. 1010 01:06:52,633 --> 01:06:55,011 And so when I interviewed Tim Delaney, 1011 01:06:55,094 --> 01:06:57,346 he said that Indiana juries 1012 01:06:57,430 --> 01:07:00,725 were not willing to buy rape-by-deception theories. 1013 01:07:01,308 --> 01:07:04,937 The jury is going to say, "This woman consented to insemination." 1014 01:07:05,021 --> 01:07:08,190 "This woman wanted a child." And the question is always out there, 1015 01:07:08,274 --> 01:07:12,319 "Does this woman's desire for a child legitimate Donald Cline's deception?" 1016 01:07:12,403 --> 01:07:14,697 And unfortunately, that is a question 1017 01:07:14,780 --> 01:07:19,076 that Tim Delaney had to weigh would enter into the minds of jurors. 1018 01:07:20,244 --> 01:07:23,664 If he asked me if it'd be okay for him to be the donor, 1019 01:07:23,748 --> 01:07:26,459 {\an8}I would have not said yes. 1020 01:07:26,542 --> 01:07:27,710 {\an8}I would say no. 1021 01:07:29,879 --> 01:07:33,799 {\an8}It was a violation of him into me. 1022 01:07:35,593 --> 01:07:39,096 The issue for me is there was no consent. 1023 01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:42,683 He didn't give me a choice. 1024 01:07:45,853 --> 01:07:48,189 The Attorney General's office had at least 1025 01:07:48,272 --> 01:07:50,733 reached out to Dr. Cline at some point 1026 01:07:50,816 --> 01:07:53,402 and asked him if he… if he had used his sperm, 1027 01:07:53,486 --> 01:07:56,655 or had asked some sort of question because Dr. Cline told me that. 1028 01:07:56,739 --> 01:07:59,325 He told me that he filled it out, 1029 01:07:59,408 --> 01:08:01,702 and that he denied anything, that he wasn't the father. 1030 01:08:01,786 --> 01:08:04,246 I don't know what's in that letter 'cause I've never seen it, 1031 01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:05,873 but I know what our conversation was. 1032 01:08:05,956 --> 01:08:09,960 Dr. Cline told me that he talked with the Attorney General's office 1033 01:08:10,044 --> 01:08:11,504 through paperwork, 1034 01:08:12,088 --> 01:08:15,341 and that… he was not the father. 1035 01:08:17,259 --> 01:08:19,887 That was really what ended up getting him in trouble, 1036 01:08:19,970 --> 01:08:22,681 because he lied to me, and I knew it, 1037 01:08:22,765 --> 01:08:25,643 and he lied on the paperwork to the Attorney General's office. 1038 01:08:25,726 --> 01:08:28,270 So at one point, I reached out to the Attorney General, 1039 01:08:28,354 --> 01:08:30,231 and say, "You know he's lying to you." 1040 01:08:30,314 --> 01:08:34,777 {\an8}He lied and said that he never used his sperm 1041 01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:36,904 {\an8}to inseminate his patients. 1042 01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:41,283 Only after we determined that the Attorney General's office 1043 01:08:41,367 --> 01:08:42,827 had sent those letters 1044 01:08:42,910 --> 01:08:45,996 were we able to come up with a theory for how to proceed. 1045 01:08:46,622 --> 01:08:48,666 We wanted to nail him with something, 1046 01:08:48,749 --> 01:08:50,918 and the fact that we finally got something, 1047 01:08:51,001 --> 01:08:52,503 it was like a "hurrah" moment. 1048 01:08:53,003 --> 01:08:54,505 And not only that, 1049 01:08:54,588 --> 01:08:57,216 he also added that he was going to sue me 1050 01:08:57,299 --> 01:08:58,968 for libel and slander. 1051 01:08:59,051 --> 01:09:00,845 {\an8} 1052 01:09:00,928 --> 01:09:02,930 Denying is obstruction of justice, 1053 01:09:03,013 --> 01:09:06,767 but denying and threatening, and, to paraphrase, saying, 1054 01:09:06,851 --> 01:09:09,270 "Do you know who I am?" was more than enough. 1055 01:09:09,812 --> 01:09:12,606 It was like, "Eureka!" The, you know… The bathwater started spilling out. 1056 01:09:12,690 --> 01:09:14,859 I said, "Oh my God, we've got an angle." 1057 01:09:34,295 --> 01:09:37,256 After we began the investigation, 1058 01:09:37,882 --> 01:09:41,177 obviously the first step was to get DNA from Dr. Cline. 1059 01:09:47,474 --> 01:09:48,726 He was sick. 1060 01:09:49,310 --> 01:09:50,895 He had pneumonia, I believe. 1061 01:09:50,978 --> 01:09:52,855 So he said, "Don't come too close." 1062 01:09:54,023 --> 01:09:56,650 And we said, "We have a search warrant for your DNA." 1063 01:09:57,735 --> 01:10:00,279 He asked a little bit about "What is this all about?" 1064 01:10:00,362 --> 01:10:01,947 But he knew what it was all about. 1065 01:10:05,659 --> 01:10:08,162 Detective Sergeant Carmen Walker 1066 01:10:08,245 --> 01:10:10,206 of the Marion County Sheriff's Office said, 1067 01:10:10,289 --> 01:10:11,957 "We need you to open your mouth." 1068 01:10:14,084 --> 01:10:15,586 And he complied. 1069 01:10:23,427 --> 01:10:25,429 He did not look like he was enjoying it. 1070 01:10:50,162 --> 01:10:55,668 It came back 99.9997% 1071 01:10:55,751 --> 01:10:58,420 that I am his biological daughter. 1072 01:10:58,921 --> 01:11:01,340 And how many times did you use your own sample? 1073 01:11:01,882 --> 01:11:03,592 Sparingly, but 1074 01:11:05,052 --> 01:11:09,139 keep in mind, we're talking 30 to 35 years ago, 1075 01:11:09,223 --> 01:11:12,268 and I… I can't remember. 1076 01:11:12,351 --> 01:11:15,062 All the records have been shredded. 1077 01:11:18,190 --> 01:11:21,277 The fertility doctor at the center of a controversial case 1078 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,654 is headed back to court to answer criminal charges. 1079 01:11:23,737 --> 01:11:26,657 Dr. Donald Cline is charged with two felony counts 1080 01:11:26,740 --> 01:11:30,703 of obstruction of justice for statements he made to investigators. 1081 01:11:30,786 --> 01:11:32,830 The retired Indianapolis fertility doctor 1082 01:11:32,913 --> 01:11:36,083 now plans to plead guilty to obstruction of justice. 1083 01:11:36,166 --> 01:11:39,503 Prosecutors say he intentionally misled investigators about a case 1084 01:11:39,586 --> 01:11:42,339 that's turned dozens of people's lives upside down. 1085 01:11:42,423 --> 01:11:44,174 And it was literally 20 months ago 1086 01:11:44,258 --> 01:11:47,219 that I got a Facebook question to me, "Angela, can you help me?" 1087 01:11:47,303 --> 01:11:50,973 And thank you for believing in them, because no one else did but you. 1088 01:11:51,056 --> 01:11:52,141 Yeah, thank you. 1089 01:11:52,224 --> 01:11:53,600 He didn't want to go to trial 1090 01:11:53,684 --> 01:11:55,519 because more information would come out, 1091 01:11:55,602 --> 01:11:58,814 and then also, he'd probably get more of a punishment. 1092 01:11:58,897 --> 01:12:00,566 So he changed his plea to guilty. 1093 01:12:08,615 --> 01:12:11,952 I felt good that day at the court hearing. 1094 01:12:13,287 --> 01:12:16,790 Even though I knew that all he was being charged with 1095 01:12:16,874 --> 01:12:19,501 was two counts of obstruction of justice, 1096 01:12:19,585 --> 01:12:23,005 I thought, "Fucking finally. Something." 1097 01:12:27,634 --> 01:12:30,804 I didn't wanna make eye contact with him. I… 1098 01:12:32,973 --> 01:12:34,433 I was afraid of him. 1099 01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,274 Uh, he actually walked right past me and brushed up against me, and… 1100 01:12:43,567 --> 01:12:46,153 it almost brought me to my knees. 1101 01:12:47,946 --> 01:12:51,408 That was my first time seeing that man 1102 01:12:52,534 --> 01:12:56,497 and being that close to him, and there was no regard for us. 1103 01:12:58,540 --> 01:13:01,126 Your honor, I'm asking for mercy 1104 01:13:01,210 --> 01:13:04,213 and compassion for myself. 1105 01:13:07,424 --> 01:13:09,593 I've tried to live out my life 1106 01:13:09,676 --> 01:13:12,346 showing honesty and care to others, 1107 01:13:12,429 --> 01:13:14,640 and I will continue to do so. 1108 01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:16,683 He looked very old 1109 01:13:17,226 --> 01:13:20,312 and weak, and part of me thought, 1110 01:13:20,396 --> 01:13:24,358 "Is this an act that you're putting on to get the judge to go easier on you?" 1111 01:13:29,196 --> 01:13:31,490 I was allowed to give a victim-impact statement 1112 01:13:31,573 --> 01:13:35,411 because I was one of the originals that filed a complaint with the state. 1113 01:13:36,829 --> 01:13:40,916 My hope was that the judge would be appalled by this, 1114 01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:45,254 and that he would at least get, like, some jail time. 1115 01:13:45,838 --> 01:13:47,881 These are my words to Cline. 1116 01:13:47,965 --> 01:13:51,635 Every time I or my half-siblings look up our name, 1117 01:13:51,718 --> 01:13:53,679 we all have the same issue tied to you. 1118 01:13:53,762 --> 01:13:55,472 It has caused anguish in everyone, 1119 01:13:55,556 --> 01:13:58,058 and some of us have wanted to die from this pain. 1120 01:13:59,643 --> 01:14:03,564 For 30 years, my half-sister, Julie, believed her dad was her biological dad-- 1121 01:14:03,647 --> 01:14:05,232 Objection, Your Honor. 1122 01:14:06,150 --> 01:14:07,151 Relevancy. 1123 01:14:08,986 --> 01:14:12,072 We had agreed to the wording of the statement. 1124 01:14:12,698 --> 01:14:13,699 Literally redlined it. 1125 01:14:14,283 --> 01:14:17,453 And I had things crossed out or highlighted that you can't say. 1126 01:14:17,536 --> 01:14:19,371 Because of your denials, 1127 01:14:19,455 --> 01:14:21,832 I feel you have no consideration for the mothers 1128 01:14:21,915 --> 01:14:24,793 who came to you, us as your biological children, 1129 01:14:24,877 --> 01:14:27,671 or your wife and the four children you had with her. 1130 01:14:27,754 --> 01:14:31,133 It was always about you. You lied. You still lie. 1131 01:14:31,216 --> 01:14:34,303 You even have your family believing you, and that sickens me. 1132 01:14:34,386 --> 01:14:36,513 -Our mothers trusted you– -Objection! 1133 01:14:36,597 --> 01:14:38,056 She… she went for it. 1134 01:14:38,140 --> 01:14:41,018 I don't know if I would've had the courage to do that in front of a judge. 1135 01:14:41,101 --> 01:14:42,311 But, you know… 1136 01:14:42,394 --> 01:14:45,731 I'm asking you to look at the depth of the reasons he is charged with-- 1137 01:14:45,814 --> 01:14:46,857 Objection! 1138 01:14:46,940 --> 01:14:48,650 {\an8}What we're really getting at 1139 01:14:48,734 --> 01:14:51,195 {\an8}is the inability of victims to tell their stories. 1140 01:14:51,278 --> 01:14:53,280 {\an8}Those who testify can only testify 1141 01:14:53,363 --> 01:14:55,991 {\an8}to… to what is relevant to a criminal proceeding. 1142 01:14:56,074 --> 01:14:58,827 But-- And what is relevant to Cline's proceeding 1143 01:14:58,911 --> 01:15:01,330 was not what happened in the '70s or '80s, 1144 01:15:01,413 --> 01:15:03,165 not the births, not the fertility fraud. 1145 01:15:03,248 --> 01:15:04,583 It was the lies to the state. 1146 01:15:05,167 --> 01:15:08,170 In Cline's proceeding, the state was the victim. They weren't. 1147 01:15:08,754 --> 01:15:12,132 I do want to reiterate, probably for the fifth or sixth time at this point, 1148 01:15:12,216 --> 01:15:15,219 that the court, by law, can only consider 1149 01:15:16,094 --> 01:15:18,263 the charges that Dr. Cline's plead guilty to, 1150 01:15:18,347 --> 01:15:20,599 the obstruction of… of justice charges. 1151 01:15:20,682 --> 01:15:24,728 Obviously, it would be inappropriate for me to consider outside of that realm. 1152 01:15:25,437 --> 01:15:28,023 What we asked for the judge to do 1153 01:15:28,106 --> 01:15:29,733 was twofold. 1154 01:15:29,816 --> 01:15:35,030 One, to make sure that these crimes remained as felonies 1155 01:15:35,113 --> 01:15:37,533 on his record, and two, 1156 01:15:37,616 --> 01:15:40,160 deliver executed time, an executed sentence, 1157 01:15:40,244 --> 01:15:42,454 meaning time served in jail. 1158 01:15:43,205 --> 01:15:46,333 We received a number of support letters for Dr. Cline. 1159 01:15:46,416 --> 01:15:48,293 These are letters from members of the community, 1160 01:15:48,377 --> 01:15:52,297 former patients, and members of Dr. Cline's family and church. 1161 01:15:52,381 --> 01:15:55,551 These individuals have known Dr. Cline for many years. 1162 01:15:55,634 --> 01:15:58,637 And they evidence a strong connection to his family, 1163 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,973 the community, and that rehabilitation 1164 01:16:01,056 --> 01:16:04,601 is not only possible but actually has already taken place here. 1165 01:16:05,769 --> 01:16:08,272 A lot of folks submitted letters 1166 01:16:08,772 --> 01:16:10,816 {\an8}on his behalf to the judge. 1167 01:16:10,899 --> 01:16:14,027 {\an8}I believe there was one that came from a prosecutor 1168 01:16:14,111 --> 01:16:16,989 from Boone County, which is where he lives, 1169 01:16:17,072 --> 01:16:19,575 saying that "This guy is a good man," 1170 01:16:19,658 --> 01:16:22,035 you know, "He should get some leniency." 1171 01:16:25,831 --> 01:16:28,458 Is that an odd thing for a prosecutor to write to a judge 1172 01:16:28,542 --> 01:16:29,501 if it's a friend? 1173 01:16:32,379 --> 01:16:35,173 I'd do well not to comment on that particular question. 1174 01:16:37,301 --> 01:16:40,137 That's when I, in my gut, 1175 01:16:40,637 --> 01:16:42,472 felt like the state was corrupt. 1176 01:16:42,556 --> 01:16:43,640 There were people corrupt, 1177 01:16:43,724 --> 01:16:45,726 and they were friends with him or something. 1178 01:16:46,768 --> 01:16:49,313 Please remember that whatever happens during sentencing, 1179 01:16:49,396 --> 01:16:51,940 the people that love you are gonna continue to love you. 1180 01:16:53,317 --> 01:16:56,570 The judge seemed very sympathetic towards him, 1181 01:16:56,653 --> 01:16:58,572 like on the verge of tears. 1182 01:16:58,655 --> 01:17:02,034 With the limited resources that we have, overcrowding at the jail, 1183 01:17:02,117 --> 01:17:04,369 and your lack of a criminal history, 1184 01:17:04,453 --> 01:17:07,539 um, an executed sentence is nothing that the court is gonna order. 1185 01:17:07,623 --> 01:17:10,208 I really wanted him to have jail time. 1186 01:17:10,292 --> 01:17:11,168 I really did. 1187 01:17:11,251 --> 01:17:14,588 I thought that that would bring a little bit of closure to me. 1188 01:17:15,464 --> 01:17:17,424 But… no. 1189 01:17:18,091 --> 01:17:22,012 I know that this is your first offense, but Dr. Cline, I do believe 1190 01:17:22,095 --> 01:17:26,850 that the facts support going ahead and sentencing you as a level 6 felon. 1191 01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:30,604 Um, as to fines and costs, 1192 01:17:31,104 --> 01:17:33,732 sir, the court will fine you $500. 1193 01:17:34,983 --> 01:17:38,111 And so he got the two Level 6 felonies 1194 01:17:38,195 --> 01:17:40,781 with complete suspended sentences 1195 01:17:40,864 --> 01:17:42,783 and a $500 fine, 1196 01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:45,827 which is a slap in the fucking face. 1197 01:17:58,298 --> 01:18:00,384 Dr. Cline, do you have any comment at all? 1198 01:18:00,967 --> 01:18:04,012 Dr. Cline, what would you change now if you could change anything? 1199 01:18:07,099 --> 01:18:09,726 This was a span of two years 1200 01:18:09,810 --> 01:18:12,104 from me filing a complaint, 1201 01:18:12,187 --> 01:18:15,232 to them actually, finally doing something about it. 1202 01:18:16,983 --> 01:18:18,110 And… 1203 01:18:19,569 --> 01:18:22,989 …this judge just let this man 1204 01:18:23,073 --> 01:18:25,367 pretty much off the hook. 1205 01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:32,416 And I dread every new match that comes. 1206 01:18:34,084 --> 01:18:35,752 But they just keep coming, 1207 01:18:36,253 --> 01:18:38,714 and you never know the day that you're gonna wake up, 1208 01:18:38,797 --> 01:18:40,632 and then they're going to be there. 1209 01:18:53,729 --> 01:18:55,981 {\an8}I just-- Uh, I feel like he… 1210 01:18:58,984 --> 01:19:00,819 {\an8}That this was some sick 1211 01:19:02,154 --> 01:19:04,072 game experiment for him. 1212 01:19:06,992 --> 01:19:08,076 As far as I know, 1213 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,872 all of the inseminations that I did with my sample, 1214 01:19:13,331 --> 01:19:15,625 um, and again it was sparingly, 1215 01:19:16,126 --> 01:19:18,462 um, had a healthy baby. 1216 01:19:19,254 --> 01:19:21,506 It was, you know, important to my parents 1217 01:19:22,299 --> 01:19:24,259 that it was someone that was healthy, 1218 01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,512 and for him to turn around and violate them 1219 01:19:27,596 --> 01:19:31,057 and do this without their consent, and 1220 01:19:32,392 --> 01:19:37,063 there's a lot of us that have the same health issues. 1221 01:19:38,148 --> 01:19:40,025 Almost every single one of us. 1222 01:19:42,778 --> 01:19:46,239 I've been to so many doctors, been to the Cleveland Clinic. 1223 01:19:46,740 --> 01:19:48,617 They don't know what's wrong with me. 1224 01:19:49,326 --> 01:19:50,202 I'm sick. 1225 01:19:51,661 --> 01:19:55,540 And other, um, siblings have, um, 1226 01:19:56,208 --> 01:19:58,418 autoimmune diseases and stuff. 1227 01:19:59,878 --> 01:20:02,130 I have an autoimmune disease, yeah. 1228 01:20:02,214 --> 01:20:04,132 It's, um, a blood clotting disorder, 1229 01:20:04,216 --> 01:20:07,928 um, which I didn't know until I had a miscarriage, 1230 01:20:08,011 --> 01:20:11,223 and, uh, we were determining what would have caused that. 1231 01:20:11,807 --> 01:20:13,058 I mean, I've had… 1232 01:20:16,561 --> 01:20:19,356 …colonoscopy, endoscopy, I've had-- 1233 01:20:21,107 --> 01:20:23,318 I mean, I've spent weeks in the hospital, 1234 01:20:23,819 --> 01:20:25,987 losing 15 pounds at a time. 1235 01:20:26,947 --> 01:20:31,743 I have a lot of digestive, um, and colon issues, and 1236 01:20:32,786 --> 01:20:34,788 no one on my mom's side does. 1237 01:20:37,999 --> 01:20:39,543 In the early '70s, 1238 01:20:39,626 --> 01:20:42,879 I had heard that he was having trouble, uh, operating 1239 01:20:42,963 --> 01:20:44,798 because he had rheumatoid arthritis. 1240 01:20:44,881 --> 01:20:47,092 And he had-- His hands were swelling up. 1241 01:20:47,592 --> 01:20:50,720 I… I, at that time, I felt I would hate to see him, 1242 01:20:50,804 --> 01:20:53,723 his career of being a great surgeon end 1243 01:20:53,807 --> 01:20:56,601 because he couldn't get the right treatment for his arthritis. 1244 01:20:56,685 --> 01:20:58,728 And so, I called our chief of medicine, 1245 01:20:58,812 --> 01:21:00,647 told him about Cline's problems. 1246 01:21:00,730 --> 01:21:03,441 And he said, "Yeah. Well, let me call Dr. B. up there," 1247 01:21:03,525 --> 01:21:06,987 and Cline went down and met with him, and he told him what to take, etcetera. 1248 01:21:07,070 --> 01:21:11,700 So, once he got on the right medications, he seemed to be fine. 1249 01:21:11,783 --> 01:21:13,535 His symptoms abated. 1250 01:21:16,746 --> 01:21:19,291 I know in talking to a sperm bank, 1251 01:21:20,375 --> 01:21:23,837 30% of the guys didn't even make it 1252 01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,006 past the questionnaire 1253 01:21:26,590 --> 01:21:28,341 because of what was in their family. 1254 01:21:28,425 --> 01:21:31,386 History of cancer, history of whatever, 1255 01:21:31,887 --> 01:21:33,847 even color blindness, for goodness sakes. 1256 01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:36,391 Now, looking back at it, and being like, 1257 01:21:36,474 --> 01:21:39,519 "Okay. He's got an autoimmune disease, 1258 01:21:39,603 --> 01:21:44,190 um, and his sperm wouldn't have even been allowed 1259 01:21:44,274 --> 01:21:46,192 to be a donor because of that." 1260 01:21:46,818 --> 01:21:49,487 Like, "Dude, you knew this." 1261 01:21:49,571 --> 01:21:52,240 "You knew… you knew you had issues." 1262 01:21:52,324 --> 01:21:54,576 "Like, how… how dare you?" 1263 01:21:55,785 --> 01:21:57,287 Yeah. 1264 01:22:00,165 --> 01:22:02,083 Now, there's the Don Cline we knew, 1265 01:22:03,043 --> 01:22:06,338 that I knew, that I th-- knew well. 1266 01:22:08,506 --> 01:22:11,176 And there's the Don Cline I would have never imagined. 1267 01:22:14,054 --> 01:22:14,930 Yeah. 1268 01:22:15,889 --> 01:22:17,140 Yeah. It broke my heart. 1269 01:22:24,147 --> 01:22:24,981 Evil. 1270 01:22:25,982 --> 01:22:29,110 And I-- If Don was right here, I'd say that right to his face. 1271 01:22:34,157 --> 01:22:35,533 Still to this day, 1272 01:22:35,617 --> 01:22:39,621 there are people in his community that back him. 1273 01:22:40,413 --> 01:22:44,459 And people that sit there and say, "But he is such a wonderful man." 1274 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,212 And I just want to look at those people 1275 01:22:47,295 --> 01:22:50,006 and say, "Well, then maybe he should have put his sperm 1276 01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:52,425 in your wife without her consent." 1277 01:22:52,509 --> 01:22:55,178 "And then how would you like that?" 1278 01:23:05,897 --> 01:23:09,859 {\an8}I took a 23andMe DNA test because, 1279 01:23:10,402 --> 01:23:12,362 {\an8}about four or five years ago now, 1280 01:23:12,445 --> 01:23:16,241 {\an8}my children and I were both diagnosed with a genetic disorder. 1281 01:23:17,409 --> 01:23:19,202 I got the results back. 1282 01:23:19,285 --> 01:23:24,124 And when I got to the genetic DNA family, 1283 01:23:24,791 --> 01:23:27,419 there were half-siblings listed. 1284 01:23:27,502 --> 01:23:30,588 And I honestly just thought, "Oh, this is a mistake." 1285 01:23:31,464 --> 01:23:33,299 Because by that time, 1286 01:23:33,383 --> 01:23:40,015 I didn't know that my parents had any type of fertility treatment 1287 01:23:40,098 --> 01:23:42,851 other than receiving fertility medications. 1288 01:23:43,643 --> 01:23:48,940 So I kind of just put it out of my mind, and didn't think anything of it. 1289 01:23:51,151 --> 01:23:54,070 And then I had a couple messages from Jacoba. 1290 01:23:55,739 --> 01:23:57,574 And it basically said, 1291 01:23:57,657 --> 01:24:01,369 "I'm sure you're confused by your results." 1292 01:24:01,453 --> 01:24:03,955 "Feel free to contact me with any questions." 1293 01:24:04,831 --> 01:24:09,419 It didn't occur to me that she was talking about the siblings, 1294 01:24:09,502 --> 01:24:14,257 so I just kind of disregarded that message. 1295 01:24:15,175 --> 01:24:16,634 {\an8} 1296 01:24:18,970 --> 01:24:23,099 {\an8}On December 9th of 2019, 1297 01:24:23,183 --> 01:24:24,517 {\an8}a Dr. Phil show aired. 1298 01:24:25,226 --> 01:24:27,062 {\an8}Well, question for you. 1299 01:24:27,145 --> 01:24:29,064 {\an8}How would you feel if you found out 1300 01:24:29,147 --> 01:24:31,274 {\an8}your mother's fertility doctor 1301 01:24:32,150 --> 01:24:34,527 {\an8}was actually your biological father? 1302 01:24:41,367 --> 01:24:43,328 When the siblings walked out… 1303 01:24:45,413 --> 01:24:47,207 {\an8}Jacoba was introduced. 1304 01:24:47,290 --> 01:24:52,545 {\an8}You felt no remorse from him, other than just the fear of being caught. 1305 01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:55,173 {\an8}He was not remorseful at all. 1306 01:24:55,256 --> 01:24:58,259 {\an8}-None? -He just did not want it to be public. 1307 01:24:58,343 --> 01:25:01,012 {\an8}He told me, "The world does not need to know." 1308 01:25:01,930 --> 01:25:02,972 {\an8}Wow. 1309 01:25:06,559 --> 01:25:10,438 I, uh, quickly got my phone and opened my 23andMe, 1310 01:25:11,106 --> 01:25:15,401 and all of the siblings on that show were listed as my half-siblings. 1311 01:25:17,070 --> 01:25:20,490 So then I knew, I knew at that moment, 1312 01:25:21,241 --> 01:25:23,827 that there-- That we were a part of it. 1313 01:25:25,453 --> 01:25:29,207 {\an8}I was a patient of Dr. Cline's for many years. 1314 01:25:30,416 --> 01:25:35,046 I think he took each case very personally. 1315 01:25:35,130 --> 01:25:36,589 At least he did with me. 1316 01:25:38,508 --> 01:25:40,176 He delivered the girls, 1317 01:25:41,344 --> 01:25:44,472 and he came over with his wife 1318 01:25:44,556 --> 01:25:46,933 to see our babies at home. 1319 01:25:51,104 --> 01:25:53,815 So this is a picture of my twin sister and I 1320 01:25:53,898 --> 01:25:57,068 right after delivery, in the incubator. 1321 01:25:59,904 --> 01:26:01,030 And… 1322 01:26:06,119 --> 01:26:10,331 this is the picture of Cline holding me as an infant at the house. 1323 01:26:12,959 --> 01:26:15,378 I was probably eight months old there. 1324 01:26:21,885 --> 01:26:25,555 I had such mixed emotions in that 1325 01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:29,684 the thought that he had used 1326 01:26:29,767 --> 01:26:33,563 his own specimen to impregnate me 1327 01:26:34,314 --> 01:26:38,443 made me kind of queasy and sick to my stomach. 1328 01:26:39,027 --> 01:26:40,778 Whereas, um… 1329 01:26:42,822 --> 01:26:44,157 on the other hand, 1330 01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,952 I thought about the fact that because of his skills 1331 01:26:48,036 --> 01:26:49,662 in operating on me, 1332 01:26:49,746 --> 01:26:54,292 and… and clearing up some of the things that were causing infertility, 1333 01:26:54,375 --> 01:26:56,085 I was grateful to him. 1334 01:26:56,711 --> 01:26:59,172 So I had this mix of emotions, 1335 01:26:59,255 --> 01:27:02,383 and I have twin daughters 1336 01:27:02,467 --> 01:27:06,137 who are absolutely delightful girls. 1337 01:27:07,388 --> 01:27:08,640 And I-- 1338 01:27:09,390 --> 01:27:11,059 You know, you can't be angry 1339 01:27:11,142 --> 01:27:14,687 when you have… you have what you always dreamed of. 1340 01:27:17,190 --> 01:27:20,652 Well, it was, um, complex for me because… 1341 01:27:23,571 --> 01:27:25,907 I was 47 years old at the time, 1342 01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:27,242 and to find out… 1343 01:27:31,788 --> 01:27:34,499 …that the man I looked up to and emulated 1344 01:27:34,582 --> 01:27:36,167 from the time I was small… 1345 01:27:38,127 --> 01:27:42,465 was not my biological father was crushing. 1346 01:27:44,884 --> 01:27:46,427 That was the biggest part. 1347 01:27:46,511 --> 01:27:49,555 I felt this need to protect him, 1348 01:27:49,639 --> 01:27:51,724 and I didn't want people to know. 1349 01:27:55,770 --> 01:27:59,274 But the other part of my story 1350 01:27:59,357 --> 01:28:03,236 is that Don Cline was also my fertility doctor. 1351 01:28:09,242 --> 01:28:12,328 He was my main GYN. 1352 01:28:12,412 --> 01:28:16,874 He took care of all my gynecological needs for the two years that I saw him. 1353 01:28:16,958 --> 01:28:18,918 He did my Pap exams. 1354 01:28:19,002 --> 01:28:20,878 He did breast exams. 1355 01:28:24,549 --> 01:28:28,928 I mean, I don't think any grown woman wants… 1356 01:28:30,805 --> 01:28:33,391 someone closely related to them, 1357 01:28:33,474 --> 01:28:37,895 a member of the opposite sex, to touch them in that way, in such-- 1358 01:28:37,979 --> 01:28:41,983 It's a very vulnerable position that the patient is in. 1359 01:28:42,567 --> 01:28:45,236 And to be touching and examining 1360 01:28:46,738 --> 01:28:49,324 private areas of your body. It's just-- 1361 01:28:53,328 --> 01:28:57,498 It's-- I can't… I can't even think about it without getting upset. 1362 01:28:58,499 --> 01:29:01,210 I didn't get to have that knowledge. He knew. 1363 01:29:01,294 --> 01:29:04,505 I didn't get to know that or have the chance to say, 1364 01:29:04,589 --> 01:29:06,924 "No. I would… I… I'd rather I see someone else." 1365 01:29:07,008 --> 01:29:11,637 "I don't… I don't want someone who is biologically related to me 1366 01:29:11,721 --> 01:29:13,181 to touch me in that way." 1367 01:29:13,264 --> 01:29:15,016 I didn't get to do… know that. 1368 01:29:19,896 --> 01:29:23,107 It's almost, you know, 1369 01:29:23,191 --> 01:29:26,194 it's like… it's like a bad dream that you-- that's recurring. 1370 01:29:27,028 --> 01:29:28,363 You wanna wake up. 1371 01:29:28,446 --> 01:29:30,865 But every time you wake up, it's not a dream. 1372 01:29:33,743 --> 01:29:38,915 I just can't believe how it was, you know, done to us. 1373 01:29:38,998 --> 01:29:43,503 I really can't. And for him to act like nothing happened. 1374 01:29:43,586 --> 01:29:45,755 I think that's the worst part of it. 1375 01:29:48,966 --> 01:29:52,303 I don't want you to think that I do this-- 1376 01:29:52,387 --> 01:29:56,182 I did the insemination with my own sample 1377 01:29:56,265 --> 01:29:57,683 very blasé. 1378 01:29:59,602 --> 01:30:03,022 Was there a sexual connotation to it? 1379 01:30:03,106 --> 01:30:04,190 Absolutely not. 1380 01:30:05,149 --> 01:30:08,236 I don't look at these people 1381 01:30:08,319 --> 01:30:10,696 and consider them to be my 1382 01:30:11,406 --> 01:30:12,532 children. 1383 01:30:16,077 --> 01:30:18,204 I want zero relationship with him. 1384 01:30:24,001 --> 01:30:25,420 He's not my father. 1385 01:30:30,633 --> 01:30:32,927 I may share half of his DNA, 1386 01:30:34,137 --> 01:30:36,681 but he's not my father, and he never will be. 1387 01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:46,357 I feel sorry for him because his whole life to his wife, 1388 01:30:46,441 --> 01:30:49,610 to his own children, to his community, to his church, 1389 01:30:50,153 --> 01:30:53,406 to his colleagues in the hospital and his office. 1390 01:30:54,615 --> 01:30:55,783 It's all a lie. 1391 01:30:58,327 --> 01:31:01,247 I would like to see him pay for what he did… 1392 01:31:03,958 --> 01:31:05,835 …but I just, I feel like… 1393 01:31:07,670 --> 01:31:09,797 there isn't gonna be any justice. 1394 01:31:11,424 --> 01:31:12,425 I'm okay. 1395 01:31:14,594 --> 01:31:16,888 This is not my issue. It's his. 1396 01:31:22,852 --> 01:31:26,272 I think continually putting his name and face in the media, 1397 01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:31,736 and telling our story was the absolute way to go. 1398 01:31:33,821 --> 01:31:35,907 I'm not gonna run away from him. 1399 01:31:36,616 --> 01:31:38,534 Not gonna run away from this story. 1400 01:31:40,203 --> 01:31:42,788 If you were not even experiencing problems with infertility, 1401 01:31:42,872 --> 01:31:46,125 if you saw Dr. Cline and you have a child, 1402 01:31:46,209 --> 01:31:49,629 I think it is important, very important, that you have a DNA test. 1403 01:31:49,712 --> 01:31:53,382 Your child has a DNA test, just to be certain that you know 1404 01:31:53,466 --> 01:31:55,843 who the father is of that child. 1405 01:32:02,850 --> 01:32:04,644 Instead of destroying me… 1406 01:32:07,772 --> 01:32:09,899 you made me realize my self-worth. 1407 01:32:10,900 --> 01:32:12,735 That's absolutely what you did. 1408 01:32:12,818 --> 01:32:15,780 And you made me realize what my purpose is too. 1409 01:32:15,863 --> 01:32:16,948 And I'm a fighter. 1410 01:32:18,199 --> 01:32:21,744 And I will fight for every sibling 1411 01:32:21,827 --> 01:32:24,789 that I have that I know, that I don't know, 1412 01:32:24,872 --> 01:32:27,708 and for every woman that you assaulted. 1413 01:32:29,293 --> 01:32:32,213 And I will do this until the fucking day I die. 1414 01:32:56,946 --> 01:32:58,698 ♪ Devil, Devil ♪ 1415 01:33:02,827 --> 01:33:05,705 ♪ Clever Devil, Devil ♪ 1416 01:33:10,042 --> 01:33:16,257 ♪ How quickly they do sell their souls ♪ 1417 01:33:16,966 --> 01:33:22,597 ♪ For the feast and the promise of gold ♪ 1418 01:33:23,806 --> 01:33:28,436 ♪ But Devil, that won't be me ♪ 1419 01:33:34,233 --> 01:33:35,735 ♪ Devil, Devil ♪ 1420 01:33:40,114 --> 01:33:43,242 ♪ Bones of metal, metal ♪ 1421 01:33:47,038 --> 01:33:53,377 ♪ You torture saints With a single glance ♪ 1422 01:33:53,878 --> 01:34:00,301 ♪ Make them think They ever stood a chance ♪ 1423 01:34:00,384 --> 01:34:03,763 ♪ Do not try me, Devil, Devil ♪ 1424 01:34:03,846 --> 01:34:07,099 ♪ Cannot buy me, Devil, Devil ♪ 1425 01:34:07,183 --> 01:34:13,439 ♪ You won't make a fool of me, oh no ♪ 1426 01:34:13,939 --> 01:34:17,276 ♪ What makes you so special, special ♪ 1427 01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:21,072 ♪ To think I would ever settle ♪ 1428 01:34:21,155 --> 01:34:23,783 ♪ For that devious dance ♪ 1429 01:34:23,866 --> 01:34:29,872 ♪ Between you and me, Devil, Devil ♪ 1430 01:34:34,835 --> 01:34:37,088 ♪ Rebel, rebel ♪ 1431 01:34:40,466 --> 01:34:44,428 ♪ Call me a rebel, rebel ♪ 1432 01:34:47,932 --> 01:34:53,729 ♪ I walk the plank, not a tear in my eye ♪ 1433 01:34:54,689 --> 01:35:00,903 ♪ I won't go down your blushing bride ♪ 1434 01:35:01,445 --> 01:35:07,410 ♪ Under the water I'll be sharpening my knife ♪ 1435 01:35:07,993 --> 01:35:11,330 ♪ Do not try me, Devil, Devil ♪ 1436 01:35:11,414 --> 01:35:14,667 ♪ Cannot buy me, Devil, Devil ♪ 1437 01:35:14,750 --> 01:35:20,798 ♪ You won't make a fool of me, oh no ♪ 1438 01:35:21,340 --> 01:35:24,885 ♪ What makes you so special, special ♪ 1439 01:35:24,969 --> 01:35:28,639 ♪ To think I would ever settle ♪ 1440 01:35:28,723 --> 01:35:31,392 ♪ For that devious dance ♪ 1441 01:35:31,475 --> 01:35:38,441 ♪ Between you and me, Devil, Devil ♪ 109403

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