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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,431 --> 00:00:15,725 This is where Anthony used to play. 2 00:00:17,393 --> 00:00:19,729 And my grandkids play here now. 3 00:00:22,565 --> 00:00:26,152 My daughter and Anthony planted these, 4 00:00:26,235 --> 00:00:27,862 and they come back every year. 5 00:00:29,447 --> 00:00:32,366 My son loved to plant things, 6 00:00:32,450 --> 00:00:34,786 strawberries and purple flowers 7 00:00:34,869 --> 00:00:37,955 and lime trees and orange trees, and… 8 00:00:40,458 --> 00:00:42,585 I kept thinking Anthony would come back, 9 00:00:43,169 --> 00:00:45,880 and the trees kept growing and everything kept growing, 10 00:00:45,963 --> 00:00:47,423 and he didn't come back. 11 00:00:50,259 --> 00:00:52,220 I worried about him all the time. 12 00:00:52,303 --> 00:00:54,180 That if he was safe or alive. 13 00:00:55,431 --> 00:00:56,265 Is he scared? 14 00:00:57,809 --> 00:00:59,435 I wouldn't know where to search, 15 00:00:59,519 --> 00:01:01,896 or even if I found him if I would recognize him. 16 00:01:03,606 --> 00:01:05,858 I thought, "Well, at least maybe when he's 17, 17 00:01:05,942 --> 00:01:07,860 he'll be on the Internet 18 00:01:07,944 --> 00:01:11,155 and I'll probably be able to find him," and… 19 00:01:12,657 --> 00:01:13,658 I did. 20 00:01:56,868 --> 00:02:01,247 Me and my daughter were sitting outside, enjoying a cool summer breeze, 21 00:02:01,330 --> 00:02:04,083 and the phone rang, and it said Louisiana. 22 00:02:05,668 --> 00:02:07,503 We decided to answer it, 23 00:02:08,004 --> 00:02:11,424 and someone asked me, "Do you know Anthony Joseph Templet?" 24 00:02:12,383 --> 00:02:14,051 Netasha and I were both in shock. 25 00:02:16,345 --> 00:02:18,848 I said, "Is Anthony dead? Is he okay?" 26 00:02:20,266 --> 00:02:22,810 Yes, he's fine. 27 00:02:22,894 --> 00:02:26,606 Someone isn't alive, but it's not him. He needs help. 28 00:02:26,689 --> 00:02:28,649 I was just so happy. 29 00:02:28,733 --> 00:02:33,321 I was jumping up and down and screaming and, "They found him!" and… 30 00:02:35,156 --> 00:02:39,869 but it's just, didn't turn out that happy after the end of the conversation. 31 00:02:40,494 --> 00:02:44,248 Teresa, she fell apart. 32 00:02:47,793 --> 00:02:52,632 She carried the "missing" poster around in her bag for 11 years. 33 00:02:55,468 --> 00:02:59,096 Burt had made Anthony believe that Teresa was just a junkie 34 00:02:59,180 --> 00:03:01,849 and had no use for him, didn't care about him. 35 00:03:01,933 --> 00:03:04,060 So he had no reason to look for her. 36 00:03:06,771 --> 00:03:09,482 Teresa wanted to talk to him immediately, 37 00:03:09,565 --> 00:03:12,693 and so we were able to arrange some phone calls. 38 00:03:17,698 --> 00:03:18,532 Hey. 39 00:03:18,616 --> 00:03:20,826 -Hey, how's it going? -Good. 40 00:03:21,661 --> 00:03:22,787 I found your mom. 41 00:03:23,371 --> 00:03:24,705 Where's she at? 42 00:03:24,789 --> 00:03:28,459 She's in Texas. She's been looking for you, for years. 43 00:03:29,043 --> 00:03:30,962 You have a brother and a sister. 44 00:03:31,671 --> 00:03:33,339 Um… I do? 45 00:03:33,422 --> 00:03:34,257 Yeah. 46 00:03:34,340 --> 00:03:37,301 I didn't know. I just thought I was an only child. 47 00:03:37,885 --> 00:03:41,347 -Do you want to talk to her? -Yeah, I'll talk to her. 48 00:03:41,847 --> 00:03:42,765 Anthony? 49 00:03:43,975 --> 00:03:46,686 -What'd you say? -Hi, son. 50 00:03:47,812 --> 00:03:49,522 -Is this real? -I was so… 51 00:03:51,107 --> 00:03:52,400 This-- This is your mom. 52 00:03:54,110 --> 00:03:56,028 Is your name something Webb? 53 00:03:56,112 --> 00:03:58,531 I was Teresa Webb at once, yes, I was. 54 00:03:58,614 --> 00:04:00,449 That was-- That's my maiden name. 55 00:04:00,533 --> 00:04:01,701 Oh, okay. 56 00:04:01,784 --> 00:04:05,496 And one day, on Halloween I was Spider-Mom 57 00:04:05,579 --> 00:04:06,956 and you were Spider-Man. 58 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:09,208 -Because my last name was Webb. -I remember. 59 00:04:10,334 --> 00:04:12,837 I've been looking for you since day one. 60 00:04:14,046 --> 00:04:17,550 Since the day he took you out the back porch, I've been looking for you. 61 00:04:21,846 --> 00:04:25,391 Anthony Templet had been kept from his family for 11 years. 62 00:04:25,975 --> 00:04:28,978 That's according to what Anthony's sister told WAFB. 63 00:04:30,146 --> 00:04:32,356 His sister got in touch with the station. 64 00:04:32,857 --> 00:04:35,401 That was like a huge break in the story for us. 65 00:04:35,484 --> 00:04:38,195 She said, quote, "He has been secluded and abused 66 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,323 all of these years by his own father." 67 00:04:40,406 --> 00:04:45,202 "My brave brother had to defend himself for the last time against that evil man." 68 00:04:45,286 --> 00:04:48,998 That confirmed that there were some off-putting things going on. 69 00:04:49,081 --> 00:04:52,418 District Attorney Hillar Moore says his office is investigating. 70 00:04:52,501 --> 00:04:54,837 We received some phone calls from different people, 71 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,422 providing different information, 72 00:04:56,505 --> 00:04:59,592 and we'll continue to listen to whatever's out there, 73 00:04:59,675 --> 00:05:01,052 wherever that leads us. 74 00:05:02,970 --> 00:05:07,391 Some family members indicated that he as a child was kidnapped, 75 00:05:07,475 --> 00:05:10,770 maybe from Texas, and was brought here and was living here. 76 00:05:10,853 --> 00:05:12,563 That was something really unusual. 77 00:05:14,690 --> 00:05:18,986 There was a Shayna Landry who contacted our homicide office 78 00:05:19,070 --> 00:05:23,824 and made mention that Anthony was kidnapped by his father 79 00:05:23,908 --> 00:05:25,534 when he was five years old. 80 00:05:26,285 --> 00:05:28,662 I conducted a follow-up investigation. 81 00:05:29,413 --> 00:05:32,208 Anthony was not listed in the NCIC. 82 00:05:33,084 --> 00:05:35,044 It's a nationwide broadcast 83 00:05:35,127 --> 00:05:38,422 that can have information, such as missing persons. 84 00:05:39,507 --> 00:05:42,176 Burt did not have any warrants 85 00:05:42,259 --> 00:05:45,221 or was wanted for any crimes. 86 00:05:45,304 --> 00:05:46,931 Nothing at all. 87 00:05:50,893 --> 00:05:54,188 There seems to be two conflicting sides of this initial story 88 00:05:54,271 --> 00:05:55,940 that Anthony was taken. 89 00:05:56,023 --> 00:05:58,442 The claims that were made 90 00:05:59,151 --> 00:06:00,861 by Anthony's sister 91 00:06:01,612 --> 00:06:04,532 and biological mother aren't standing up. 92 00:06:05,366 --> 00:06:07,284 District Attorney Hillar Moore 93 00:06:07,368 --> 00:06:08,994 says his office has been in touch 94 00:06:09,078 --> 00:06:11,122 with several of Anthony's family members 95 00:06:11,205 --> 00:06:13,541 to review how to move forward. 96 00:06:13,624 --> 00:06:17,294 But the question remains: was this self-defense? 97 00:06:36,021 --> 00:06:36,856 Got it. 98 00:06:36,939 --> 00:06:39,024 You got it? Mom, that's heavy. 99 00:06:39,942 --> 00:06:41,777 I live with my mother Patricia… 100 00:06:43,195 --> 00:06:44,447 Old age sucks. 101 00:06:44,530 --> 00:06:46,699 …and my sister Becky. 102 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,495 Our friends call us the Golden Girls. 103 00:06:52,538 --> 00:06:54,081 Oh, we get along good. 104 00:06:54,165 --> 00:06:56,667 It's real difficult sometimes, but we get along great. 105 00:06:56,750 --> 00:06:58,377 We've always got along great. 106 00:07:00,629 --> 00:07:04,508 The first time I met Burt I was going through a very difficult time. 107 00:07:05,509 --> 00:07:09,722 I was going through a divorce when my kids, Matthew and Netasha, 108 00:07:09,805 --> 00:07:11,474 were like nine and 12. 109 00:07:11,557 --> 00:07:13,642 And I was working seven days a week 110 00:07:13,726 --> 00:07:16,812 in a crab shack in Ingleside. 111 00:07:17,813 --> 00:07:21,817 Burt was in town from Baton Rouge, working for an oil company. 112 00:07:22,902 --> 00:07:26,989 He came into the restaurant, and I was not a very good waitress… 113 00:07:27,990 --> 00:07:29,283 …and I forgot his salad. 114 00:07:29,366 --> 00:07:31,285 I said, "I'm sorry. I forgot your salad," 115 00:07:31,368 --> 00:07:33,496 and he goes, "I don't eat that food group." 116 00:07:33,579 --> 00:07:37,750 And I thought it was funny, and that's how I started hanging out with him. 117 00:07:39,043 --> 00:07:41,754 It felt good to have fun for the first time in a long time. 118 00:07:41,837 --> 00:07:42,713 It really did. 119 00:07:44,173 --> 00:07:48,135 The first time I saw Burt, he had too big a smile. 120 00:07:48,219 --> 00:07:49,136 It wasn't real. 121 00:07:49,220 --> 00:07:51,639 And I thought "No, I'm not going to care for him." 122 00:07:51,722 --> 00:07:54,975 "Besides, he doesn't look like the type of man she usually likes." 123 00:07:55,059 --> 00:07:58,646 But, he kept on, kept on. 124 00:07:59,230 --> 00:08:01,148 Burt was offered a job in Houston 125 00:08:01,232 --> 00:08:03,484 after we lived together for a couple months, 126 00:08:03,567 --> 00:08:06,278 and he asked if I wanted to go with him and I said sure, 127 00:08:06,362 --> 00:08:08,447 that I would love to live in Houston. 128 00:08:09,657 --> 00:08:11,575 Teresa wanted a better life for her kids 129 00:08:11,659 --> 00:08:15,287 and everything, and thought it looked good and pretty and all nice and sweet, 130 00:08:15,371 --> 00:08:16,997 and it wasn't. 131 00:08:18,374 --> 00:08:19,959 We didn't really know him. 132 00:08:21,085 --> 00:08:23,212 Apparently, not a lot of people did either. 133 00:08:27,007 --> 00:08:28,300 El Burt-tro. 134 00:08:31,762 --> 00:08:34,598 Wait, we can't see you. Can you come into the light? 135 00:08:35,808 --> 00:08:37,351 He's walking in darkness. 136 00:08:44,733 --> 00:08:46,986 What are some memories about Teresa? 137 00:08:47,778 --> 00:08:50,364 Well, I don't remember a whole lot about her, honestly. 138 00:08:50,447 --> 00:08:52,908 I just remember that she had blonde hair. 139 00:08:52,992 --> 00:08:57,246 Remember any love for her? Do you remember any feelings for her? 140 00:08:57,329 --> 00:08:58,497 No, I don't really. I-- 141 00:08:58,581 --> 00:09:00,791 I was so young at the time, I didn't really-- 142 00:09:01,333 --> 00:09:03,460 I don't really remember any of that stuff. 143 00:09:04,503 --> 00:09:06,422 Me and you were best buddies. 144 00:09:08,215 --> 00:09:09,842 Your daddy was never there. 145 00:09:11,051 --> 00:09:14,555 I know you don't know if you love me or not because you don't remember. 146 00:09:14,638 --> 00:09:16,348 But we got lots of love. 147 00:09:18,642 --> 00:09:21,812 First time I started seeing red flags is when we moved to Houston 148 00:09:21,895 --> 00:09:23,939 and his erratic behaviors. 149 00:09:25,441 --> 00:09:27,735 Burt demanded attention on him 150 00:09:27,818 --> 00:09:30,988 from the moment he walked in till he was asleep. 151 00:09:31,697 --> 00:09:33,157 I had to be attentive of him. 152 00:09:34,783 --> 00:09:37,369 There was a time in our dating 153 00:09:37,453 --> 00:09:42,416 where he was making us a Bloody Mary and I was not paying attention to him. 154 00:09:42,499 --> 00:09:44,251 I was cooking and cleaning 155 00:09:44,335 --> 00:09:48,172 and he just kept insisting that I look at him. 156 00:09:48,255 --> 00:09:49,465 And uh… I didn't. 157 00:09:51,050 --> 00:09:52,968 He came around and stared at me 158 00:09:53,052 --> 00:09:56,639 and karate chopped a bar stool in half and it just split. 159 00:09:59,224 --> 00:10:01,060 He started becoming crazier. 160 00:10:01,143 --> 00:10:04,730 And come to find out he was into cocaine, a lot of cocaine. 161 00:10:06,774 --> 00:10:08,525 That made me more scared of him. 162 00:10:10,027 --> 00:10:14,281 I saw the warning signs, but I wasn't picking up on them, I think. 163 00:10:14,365 --> 00:10:17,284 I saw her become quieter, sad. 164 00:10:17,368 --> 00:10:19,620 I went there, I visited, 165 00:10:19,703 --> 00:10:22,539 trying to figure out what to do, what's going on. 166 00:10:22,623 --> 00:10:24,792 Burt did not really want us around 167 00:10:24,875 --> 00:10:27,252 because we would see what he was really like, 168 00:10:27,336 --> 00:10:29,421 and he did not want us to see that. 169 00:10:30,464 --> 00:10:32,716 As our relationship progressed, 170 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,093 my world got smaller. 171 00:10:35,094 --> 00:10:38,806 I was more realizing that I was controlled daily 172 00:10:39,473 --> 00:10:41,767 by moods of Burt's. 173 00:10:43,268 --> 00:10:45,354 Burt just could go off on anything. 174 00:10:45,938 --> 00:10:47,940 He just had a hair trigger temper. 175 00:10:49,066 --> 00:10:51,443 One time, we're sitting there having a cup of coffee. 176 00:10:51,527 --> 00:10:53,862 There was a spoon, one spoon, in the kitchen sink 177 00:10:53,946 --> 00:10:55,406 and we were leaving a mess. 178 00:10:55,948 --> 00:10:57,032 Had a royal fit. 179 00:10:57,991 --> 00:10:59,993 One time he beat me so bad that 180 00:11:00,077 --> 00:11:01,829 I was in bed for a week. 181 00:11:04,873 --> 00:11:07,376 I still don't know why I stayed after that. 182 00:11:08,001 --> 00:11:10,254 More out of fear, I think, from then on. 183 00:11:13,674 --> 00:11:15,551 We'd been together for a couple years 184 00:11:15,634 --> 00:11:18,554 and I just believed that he had never had children, 185 00:11:18,637 --> 00:11:20,389 that maybe he couldn't have children. 186 00:11:21,348 --> 00:11:23,809 So, it was a surprise when I found out I was pregnant. 187 00:11:24,351 --> 00:11:27,563 I was so disappointed when she got pregnant with Anthony 188 00:11:27,646 --> 00:11:31,692 because I didn't think the relationship would handle a child. 189 00:11:32,526 --> 00:11:35,612 She had the baby and the beatings kept on. 190 00:11:37,072 --> 00:11:39,867 He was in jail at that time, for abusing me. 191 00:11:39,950 --> 00:11:42,077 So he did do time in jail? 192 00:11:42,578 --> 00:11:43,412 Yes. 193 00:11:44,371 --> 00:11:47,791 -Six months in Houston. -Do you know his charges? 194 00:11:50,836 --> 00:11:52,337 It was more than one. 195 00:11:53,922 --> 00:11:56,258 He beat me when I was pregnant with you. 196 00:12:00,262 --> 00:12:01,847 So, multiple cases? 197 00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:03,265 Three or four. 198 00:12:05,225 --> 00:12:07,227 You know, I tried to block all that out. 199 00:12:16,111 --> 00:12:18,572 Hello, Harris County Sheriff's Department. Hello? 200 00:12:19,281 --> 00:12:21,283 -He took off with the baby. -Who? 201 00:12:21,366 --> 00:12:22,618 Burt Templet. 202 00:12:23,202 --> 00:12:24,578 How old's the baby? 203 00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:27,247 -Seven months. -Okay. 204 00:12:27,331 --> 00:12:30,834 He beat me up and he just took off with the baby. 205 00:12:31,794 --> 00:12:35,172 The fact that he took Anthony really scared me a lot. 206 00:12:35,881 --> 00:12:37,716 Burt did this just to hurt me. 207 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,636 Do you need an ambulance? Are you hurt? 208 00:12:40,719 --> 00:12:44,056 No, I just… I have some bruises. That's about it. 209 00:12:44,139 --> 00:12:46,642 Okay, we're gonna send an officer out, okay? 210 00:12:47,309 --> 00:12:49,061 Burt was a very good manipulator. 211 00:12:49,144 --> 00:12:51,563 He could manipulate police officers too. 212 00:12:52,606 --> 00:12:56,819 The police chased him down and let him go, 213 00:12:56,902 --> 00:13:00,113 so I felt like, well, if they're not going to arrest him, 214 00:13:00,197 --> 00:13:02,115 then there isn't much help or hope. 215 00:13:03,951 --> 00:13:08,580 So now I was beginning to think there was no use in calling the police anymore. 216 00:13:10,666 --> 00:13:13,710 When he came back, he never apologized. 217 00:13:13,794 --> 00:13:16,213 He would just act like it never happened. 218 00:13:18,715 --> 00:13:21,885 The abuse was so frequent that it almost did seem normal. 219 00:13:21,969 --> 00:13:24,596 I mean, I didn't think anybody else lived any other way. 220 00:13:26,098 --> 00:13:28,225 I grew up in an abusive house also. 221 00:13:28,934 --> 00:13:33,397 One of my coping mechanisms was to completely erase it from my brain. 222 00:13:34,064 --> 00:13:38,527 The first blocking that I did was when my stepdad was molesting me. 223 00:13:39,194 --> 00:13:42,197 And I learned how to block from that age. 224 00:13:46,410 --> 00:13:49,288 My husband, he had this thing for young girls. 225 00:13:50,163 --> 00:13:52,499 That's pretty basically why I left him. 226 00:13:54,626 --> 00:13:56,378 This is my father. 227 00:13:57,462 --> 00:13:59,172 And this is my mother. 228 00:14:00,549 --> 00:14:04,845 I think about my dad and things that happened. 229 00:14:04,928 --> 00:14:06,096 I think about Mom. 230 00:14:08,265 --> 00:14:12,603 My father was an alcoholic, and he beat my mother a lot. 231 00:14:12,686 --> 00:14:15,564 You don't realize you're marrying a man like that. 232 00:14:15,647 --> 00:14:19,151 You don't realize it because they're good at deceiving. 233 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,654 I have seen so much of it. 234 00:14:23,447 --> 00:14:25,032 Teresa's dad was that way. 235 00:14:25,657 --> 00:14:28,535 I took beatings that I shouldn't have taken. 236 00:14:28,619 --> 00:14:30,871 They always say, "I'm so sorry. I love you." 237 00:14:30,954 --> 00:14:33,874 You know, "I won't do it again." They always do it again. 238 00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:37,252 Teresa had the same problem. 239 00:14:39,087 --> 00:14:43,717 I don't know how to break the cycle of violence. 240 00:14:44,468 --> 00:14:46,053 I don't know how do you break it. 241 00:14:58,899 --> 00:15:01,693 One of the questions people ask us all the time is, 242 00:15:01,777 --> 00:15:04,321 "How do you represent people that you know are guilty?" 243 00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:05,906 But the difficult question is, 244 00:15:05,989 --> 00:15:08,700 "How do you represent someone that you know is innocent?" 245 00:15:08,784 --> 00:15:10,869 And that question is much worse. 246 00:15:11,453 --> 00:15:13,622 If I go to trial with a person that's innocent 247 00:15:13,705 --> 00:15:16,375 and that person goes to jail, now it's on me. 248 00:15:16,458 --> 00:15:20,170 Now I just put an innocent man in jail, and that's a dead serious thing for me. 249 00:15:20,712 --> 00:15:23,548 It's difficult to say that Anthony's innocent 250 00:15:23,632 --> 00:15:28,095 because Anthony, you know, took a gun and shot and killed his father. 251 00:15:28,178 --> 00:15:31,974 You know, not having enough information about the case, 252 00:15:32,057 --> 00:15:35,811 I'm sort of, you know, hesitant to say, "Yes, in fact it's self-defense" 253 00:15:35,894 --> 00:15:37,646 or "No, it's not self-defense." 254 00:15:37,729 --> 00:15:41,566 I'll have to know more about the case prior to making that determination. 255 00:15:48,407 --> 00:15:49,616 How you feeling? 256 00:15:50,534 --> 00:15:51,994 Just a little sad. 257 00:15:54,204 --> 00:15:57,082 It's all right, man. I get it. I really do, man. 258 00:15:58,250 --> 00:16:01,420 He never put me in public school and I never understood why. 259 00:16:01,503 --> 00:16:02,379 Yeah. 260 00:16:03,797 --> 00:16:06,341 I think he was trying to hide me from my mom. 261 00:16:07,718 --> 00:16:08,969 I think so too. 262 00:16:14,474 --> 00:16:17,936 We were talking extensively with the district attorney 263 00:16:18,020 --> 00:16:19,229 about Anthony's case. 264 00:16:20,564 --> 00:16:22,941 We think there's a real defense here. 265 00:16:23,483 --> 00:16:25,777 And we think there's a defense here so great 266 00:16:25,861 --> 00:16:28,780 that you may not even want to charge the kid at all. 267 00:16:28,864 --> 00:16:32,993 Anthony Templet is currently being held on a $100,000 bond. 268 00:16:33,076 --> 00:16:35,662 His defense is hoping this case won't go to trial, 269 00:16:35,746 --> 00:16:37,664 as they believe there's not enough evidence 270 00:16:37,748 --> 00:16:40,000 to prosecute manslaughter charges. 271 00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:42,335 As the case went on, 272 00:16:42,836 --> 00:16:46,173 the district attorney made clear he was going to bring it to a grand jury. 273 00:16:46,256 --> 00:16:50,677 What's the penalty for manslaughter? It's zero time to 40 years. 274 00:16:50,761 --> 00:16:53,138 But if it's murder, it's a life sentence. 275 00:16:53,221 --> 00:16:55,182 That's pretty big stakes, right? 276 00:16:56,058 --> 00:16:57,934 Jarrett Ambeau was pretty confident 277 00:16:58,018 --> 00:17:00,687 that it was going to go in the way of Anthony. 278 00:17:02,189 --> 00:17:04,357 This is 9 News at Noon. 279 00:17:05,567 --> 00:17:07,360 Thanks for joining us, I'm Liz Koh. 280 00:17:07,444 --> 00:17:11,656 New here at noon, charges have been upgraded for this Baton Rouge teen. 281 00:17:11,740 --> 00:17:15,035 The grand jury indicted him on the charge of second-degree murder. 282 00:17:16,369 --> 00:17:19,456 Second degree murder is the killing of a human being 283 00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:21,958 when you have the specific intent to kill somebody. 284 00:17:22,042 --> 00:17:25,587 And that's what the grand jury found. 285 00:17:25,670 --> 00:17:27,714 And, honestly, I think that… 286 00:17:29,091 --> 00:17:32,260 reasonable minds could conclude that he murdered his father, 287 00:17:32,344 --> 00:17:35,180 and he intended to do it, basically, that's it. 288 00:17:36,598 --> 00:17:38,141 It should have never happened. 289 00:17:38,225 --> 00:17:40,560 You should not have charged him with second-degree murder. 290 00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:44,022 The risk is so great. 291 00:17:44,106 --> 00:17:46,691 Look, I'm an exceptionally good trial attorney, 292 00:17:46,775 --> 00:17:49,111 but I can walk in and lose a case I should win. 293 00:17:51,988 --> 00:17:53,990 When he was indicted for second-degree murder, 294 00:17:54,074 --> 00:17:56,159 he was moved from the juvenile justice system 295 00:17:56,243 --> 00:17:58,161 into the adult system automatically. 296 00:17:58,954 --> 00:18:03,166 Now Anthony is a juvenile sitting in a cold and terrible place. 297 00:18:03,250 --> 00:18:04,209 It's falling apart, 298 00:18:04,292 --> 00:18:07,337 there are very seriously violent criminals in that place, 299 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:08,797 it's a very dangerous place. 300 00:18:14,886 --> 00:18:17,430 As you well know, I think that we're headed for a trial. 301 00:18:17,514 --> 00:18:18,348 You think so? 302 00:18:18,431 --> 00:18:21,518 Yeah, I don't think the DA's gonna offer you anything 303 00:18:21,601 --> 00:18:23,645 that I could advise you to live with. 304 00:18:23,728 --> 00:18:24,688 Right. 305 00:18:26,231 --> 00:18:27,983 How's that strike you, man? 306 00:18:28,483 --> 00:18:30,193 I didn't want to take this to trial. 307 00:18:30,277 --> 00:18:32,487 But we'll just have to see how it goes, I guess. 308 00:18:32,571 --> 00:18:34,865 What makes you uncomfortable about that? 309 00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:38,910 I just don't think they're going to treat me fairly. 310 00:18:42,205 --> 00:18:43,123 But who knows? 311 00:18:45,292 --> 00:18:46,960 It's completely wrong, you know. 312 00:18:47,043 --> 00:18:48,795 I shouldn't be charged with anything. 313 00:18:49,296 --> 00:18:51,047 Because I didn't do anything wrong. 314 00:18:53,466 --> 00:18:55,719 What was your intent when you shot him? 315 00:18:56,303 --> 00:18:58,597 To not kill him. I didn't want to kill him. 316 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,390 I just didn't want him to kill me. 317 00:19:02,267 --> 00:19:04,269 What did you think was going to happen? 318 00:19:04,728 --> 00:19:07,522 He would hit the ground and that'd be it. 319 00:19:08,315 --> 00:19:12,402 Maybe call the police, get the medics over here, explain what happened. 320 00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:14,029 And they'd save his life? 321 00:19:14,112 --> 00:19:15,864 Save his life, get me out of there. 322 00:19:15,947 --> 00:19:17,240 Explain it all away. 323 00:19:17,324 --> 00:19:18,825 Get me out of the house. 324 00:19:19,826 --> 00:19:20,702 Forever. 325 00:19:28,126 --> 00:19:31,504 Burt started saying that we needed to get life insurance, 326 00:19:31,588 --> 00:19:35,967 and I told him that I would not get life insurance with him. 327 00:19:36,593 --> 00:19:38,553 I would not sign any life insurance with him 328 00:19:38,637 --> 00:19:41,056 because he would kill me just for money. 329 00:19:42,807 --> 00:19:46,853 So I wrote little notes saying, "If I die, Burt did it." 330 00:19:47,938 --> 00:19:50,440 And I was hiding notes all over the house. 331 00:19:50,941 --> 00:19:54,486 She put notes in the oven, anywhere she could. 332 00:19:54,569 --> 00:19:56,363 "If I end up dead, Burt did it." 333 00:20:00,492 --> 00:20:03,411 One night, one of Burt's friends came to the door. 334 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:06,248 He started screaming, "You need to leave now." 335 00:20:06,331 --> 00:20:08,333 "Burt has hired me to kill you." 336 00:20:09,501 --> 00:20:12,379 He said, "I am not going to do it, but you need to leave." 337 00:20:13,338 --> 00:20:16,049 And I started turning around trying to grab things, 338 00:20:16,633 --> 00:20:17,884 trying to grab my son. 339 00:20:18,843 --> 00:20:21,221 But he goes, "No, you got to go now." 340 00:20:21,304 --> 00:20:23,598 And he's screaming, "Leave now! Leave now!" 341 00:20:23,682 --> 00:20:26,726 And he got into his car and left, and then Burt pulled up. 342 00:20:29,354 --> 00:20:32,440 He just kind of bust in all angry and everything. 343 00:20:32,524 --> 00:20:35,277 Was like, "We're gonna kick his ass," and then squealed out. 344 00:20:37,153 --> 00:20:40,657 I believe that he was going after the man that told me this. 345 00:20:43,076 --> 00:20:44,995 When he came back the next day, 346 00:20:45,704 --> 00:20:48,540 he would just ignore the fact that all happened. 347 00:20:48,623 --> 00:20:50,292 He pretty much didn't talk about it. 348 00:20:50,375 --> 00:20:52,085 That wasn't too long before she left. 349 00:20:52,168 --> 00:20:53,628 She was really afraid. 350 00:21:01,386 --> 00:21:04,347 A few weeks later, I was trying to figure out a way 351 00:21:04,431 --> 00:21:07,183 for Anthony and I to both get away from Burt. 352 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:09,978 His parents had came to visit. 353 00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:13,189 I'm making them breakfast, pork chop and eggs, 354 00:21:13,273 --> 00:21:14,691 and that made him mad. 355 00:21:15,608 --> 00:21:17,110 "Why you making them pork chops?" 356 00:21:17,193 --> 00:21:20,530 "Well, Ingleside people eat pork chops for breakfast." 357 00:21:23,366 --> 00:21:26,786 He threw a glass of milk in my face, in front of his parents. 358 00:21:27,412 --> 00:21:28,830 Hit me with plates. 359 00:21:28,913 --> 00:21:32,292 He grabbed me by the back of the head. Started pulling my hair. 360 00:21:33,168 --> 00:21:35,670 I lost quite a bit of hair on that situation. 361 00:21:37,255 --> 00:21:39,132 And his parents begged him to stop. 362 00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:41,217 They seemed genuinely scared too. 363 00:21:42,218 --> 00:21:44,220 He told his parents to leave. 364 00:21:44,929 --> 00:21:48,475 I told him I'm leaving too and I need to get Anthony. 365 00:21:48,558 --> 00:21:51,686 And he had Anthony wrapped up pretty hard in his arms 366 00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:53,772 and, "You're not taking my son anywhere." 367 00:21:55,148 --> 00:21:57,108 I just got in the car with his parents. 368 00:21:57,609 --> 00:22:00,862 I was afraid if I took Anthony, that Burt would kill me and my family. 369 00:22:02,530 --> 00:22:06,242 The hardest part was driving away and leaving Anthony behind. 370 00:22:09,621 --> 00:22:11,873 I had them drop me off on the freeway. 371 00:22:12,415 --> 00:22:15,126 "I'll get to the bus station. Just drop me off right here." 372 00:22:15,210 --> 00:22:17,879 I walked all the way to the bus station in downtown Houston 373 00:22:17,962 --> 00:22:20,423 and got on the bus and left. 374 00:22:22,926 --> 00:22:26,471 I did not get to see her until she came down here. 375 00:22:26,554 --> 00:22:30,225 This skinny little girl got off the bus with all her hair pulled out. 376 00:22:30,308 --> 00:22:33,520 That's when I saw some of the results. 377 00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:36,314 He didn't just beat her a little bit. He beat her bad. 378 00:22:39,776 --> 00:22:42,821 I laid in bed for weeks, mending. 379 00:22:44,656 --> 00:22:48,201 I was hurt in the face and body and soul 380 00:22:48,284 --> 00:22:52,372 and had to leave my son behind, and it was not a good feeling. 381 00:22:55,250 --> 00:22:58,711 I just remember them getting mad at each other, 382 00:22:58,795 --> 00:23:00,630 and she ended up leaving 383 00:23:00,713 --> 00:23:03,299 and we ended up going to Louisiana for some reason. 384 00:23:03,383 --> 00:23:04,801 I don't know why. 385 00:23:05,427 --> 00:23:07,345 Every year on your birthday I cry. 386 00:23:09,514 --> 00:23:10,932 Because I miss you so much. 387 00:23:11,558 --> 00:23:12,976 And I usually make you cake. 388 00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:15,937 -Oh, really? -Yes. 389 00:23:17,147 --> 00:23:18,898 You have one minute left. 390 00:23:20,024 --> 00:23:23,570 I love you, Son. I missed you forever. I am… 391 00:23:23,653 --> 00:23:26,114 Until I get to see you again, I will never be happy. 392 00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:27,991 I love you very much. 393 00:23:28,491 --> 00:23:29,367 Yeah. 394 00:23:36,833 --> 00:23:40,545 Breaking news in the case of a teenager accused of killing his father. 395 00:23:40,628 --> 00:23:45,842 A judge has reduced Anthony Templet's bond so that he can seek counseling. 396 00:23:46,426 --> 00:23:49,888 Now that comes with a host of requirements that Templet has to fulfill. 397 00:23:49,971 --> 00:23:53,892 He must submit to regular mental health screenings and evaluations. 398 00:23:53,975 --> 00:23:56,644 He must be tracked by a GPS monitoring device 399 00:23:56,728 --> 00:23:59,314 and must come back into court every 30 days. 400 00:24:03,610 --> 00:24:05,820 Anthony was in jail about six months. 401 00:24:05,904 --> 00:24:08,323 And my assertion to the judge was, 402 00:24:08,406 --> 00:24:12,660 "This is a kid who isn't going to be served by sitting in a jail cell." 403 00:24:13,244 --> 00:24:15,288 "He doesn't have any history of violence, 404 00:24:15,371 --> 00:24:19,417 and being in is detrimental to his ability to defend himself." 405 00:24:21,377 --> 00:24:23,963 It was a little scary for him to get out on bail, for me. 406 00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:27,842 Because every time Anthony came to court, he just had the same affect, you know? 407 00:24:27,926 --> 00:24:31,763 It's just like, you can't read him because he's just kind of like a blank slate. 408 00:24:33,014 --> 00:24:34,891 I don't know what's going on in that head. 409 00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:38,520 What if he gets out on bond and he kills somebody? 410 00:24:38,603 --> 00:24:42,607 I would feel totally responsible if that happened 411 00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:44,776 because I made this decision. 412 00:24:46,361 --> 00:24:49,113 We had him examined by a psychologist. 413 00:24:50,406 --> 00:24:51,991 Psychologist came back and said, 414 00:24:52,075 --> 00:24:54,369 "I don't think this kid's a danger to society." 415 00:24:54,452 --> 00:24:57,121 "I don't think he's a danger to other people 416 00:24:57,205 --> 00:24:58,623 in a controlled environment." 417 00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:01,292 The judge agreed with us 418 00:25:01,376 --> 00:25:04,671 and let him out without posting a serious bond of any kind. 419 00:25:06,089 --> 00:25:06,965 Listen. 420 00:25:07,048 --> 00:25:10,802 I want to reiterate to you how important what the judge said was yesterday. 421 00:25:10,885 --> 00:25:11,719 -Right? - I know. 422 00:25:11,803 --> 00:25:13,429 -The curfew's serious. -Right. 423 00:25:13,513 --> 00:25:14,681 The job, the… 424 00:25:14,764 --> 00:25:17,725 the ankle monitor, everything has to be followed to the letter. 425 00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:20,562 -One step at a time. -That's right. 426 00:25:23,356 --> 00:25:25,525 We're just waiting to see his eyes 427 00:25:25,608 --> 00:25:28,236 for the first time as a family. 428 00:25:31,364 --> 00:25:33,074 It's been a long time coming. 429 00:25:33,741 --> 00:25:34,826 I'm shaking. 430 00:25:35,326 --> 00:25:37,412 The only time I've gotten to see him 431 00:25:37,495 --> 00:25:41,040 is from opposite side of the courtroom in shackles. 432 00:25:44,294 --> 00:25:47,672 When he was calling me from jail I asked him a lot of questions 433 00:25:48,172 --> 00:25:51,968 and I quickly realized it was not a good idea. 434 00:25:53,011 --> 00:25:54,387 He doesn't even know me 435 00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:57,599 and I think he doesn't remember all the good times that we had. 436 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,312 So I decided to leave him alone until he wants to come visit us 437 00:26:02,395 --> 00:26:03,896 or reach out and call me. 438 00:26:04,522 --> 00:26:06,816 But of course I want to hug him. 439 00:26:07,734 --> 00:26:09,235 To not let him go. 440 00:26:10,695 --> 00:26:13,656 So, yes, it's really hard not to be there. 441 00:26:30,798 --> 00:26:31,841 Hey, how's it going? 442 00:26:32,842 --> 00:26:36,596 I love you, boy. I love you so much. I love you so much. 443 00:26:37,722 --> 00:26:42,101 When Anthony comes out, he doesn't look like a 17-year-old kid. 444 00:26:43,353 --> 00:26:46,314 Emotionally, he's still a kind of… um… 445 00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:52,111 I don't know if cold is the right word, but he looked a little more hardened. 446 00:26:56,282 --> 00:26:58,117 Anthony is my child. 447 00:27:00,495 --> 00:27:02,872 I don't see him as a stepson. 448 00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:04,791 I see him as my child… 449 00:27:07,210 --> 00:27:09,629 because I know he has nobody. 450 00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:12,965 He has nobody to stand behind him. 451 00:27:22,642 --> 00:27:25,687 At this point, my way to help AJ 452 00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:27,980 is by anything I can do, 453 00:27:28,064 --> 00:27:30,191 whether I go up on the stand in court-- 454 00:27:30,274 --> 00:27:32,443 Which I am full and willing to do. 455 00:27:32,527 --> 00:27:35,905 No matter what, if he needs me, I'm there. Just like I would my own brother. 456 00:27:37,407 --> 00:27:40,034 It's a scary time because I could go back to jail. 457 00:27:40,535 --> 00:27:41,661 It's a possibility, 458 00:27:41,744 --> 00:27:45,289 and it's terrible to think about because I know I'm innocent. 459 00:27:47,875 --> 00:27:50,920 They thought I was not dangerous enough to stay in jail, 460 00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:54,006 but dangerous enough to not be let out without, 461 00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:55,675 you know, a leash. 462 00:27:55,758 --> 00:27:58,261 So… it's kind of a burden. 463 00:27:59,345 --> 00:28:01,139 Even though we got Anthony released, 464 00:28:01,222 --> 00:28:04,642 he's still facing a charge that carries a life sentence. 465 00:28:05,435 --> 00:28:08,646 It is not an end victory by any chance, it's not the end of the story, 466 00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:12,150 but it is certainly a great 50 meter target for me. 467 00:28:14,944 --> 00:28:16,404 -All right. -All right. 468 00:28:19,407 --> 00:28:21,492 -This is the first step. -Yeah. 469 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,996 Be the person that you've always wanted to be. 470 00:28:26,622 --> 00:28:28,624 I blame my dad for everything. 471 00:28:29,751 --> 00:28:34,797 Because it all would have worked out fine if I just had anyone else as a father. 472 00:28:36,174 --> 00:28:38,676 I feel like he kind of stole my childhood away. 473 00:28:48,227 --> 00:28:51,189 I still had to go back to Houston and get Anthony. 474 00:28:52,273 --> 00:28:55,318 But when I pulled up to the house, there was no one there. 475 00:28:55,401 --> 00:28:57,028 Anthony and Burt were gone. 476 00:28:57,737 --> 00:28:59,447 That's when I got lawyers. 477 00:29:04,869 --> 00:29:09,248 Statistics show that when a person is leaving a domestic violence situation 478 00:29:09,832 --> 00:29:14,587 their risk for harm and danger actually elevates. 479 00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:16,923 That's one of the reasons why people stay. 480 00:29:18,716 --> 00:29:22,136 Teresa Thompson came to us the early part of 2007, 481 00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:25,264 seeking assistance for a civil protective order 482 00:29:25,348 --> 00:29:27,683 and custody of a child that she shared. 483 00:29:28,518 --> 00:29:32,480 Domestic violence usually translates into custody battles, 484 00:29:32,563 --> 00:29:36,234 because that's the most impactful way 485 00:29:36,317 --> 00:29:39,445 that an abuser can hurt the other parent. 486 00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:43,825 Taking your children is definitely a hurtful place to find yourself. 487 00:29:45,493 --> 00:29:47,411 Teresa got the protective order. 488 00:29:48,788 --> 00:29:52,250 The next matter was securing custody of her child. 489 00:29:53,376 --> 00:29:55,920 He did not appear at the hearing. 490 00:29:56,796 --> 00:29:59,507 He was supposed to hand over custody and he didn't. 491 00:30:00,466 --> 00:30:02,301 Burt and Anthony just disappeared. 492 00:30:05,012 --> 00:30:07,515 I've seen this happen many, many times, 493 00:30:07,598 --> 00:30:11,018 where it's not at all about the child in question. 494 00:30:11,102 --> 00:30:12,270 It's not about Anthony. 495 00:30:12,812 --> 00:30:15,857 It's about, "I want to control the situation 496 00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:18,568 and here's my new way to control the situation." 497 00:30:18,651 --> 00:30:22,613 "So I'm going to use this child against you over and over again." 498 00:30:24,407 --> 00:30:27,285 When I didn't know where he was, I searched for schools 499 00:30:27,368 --> 00:30:29,579 and um… searching for his name, 500 00:30:29,662 --> 00:30:32,248 Burt's name and Anthony's name. 501 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,834 And I was coming up with nothing. 502 00:30:36,127 --> 00:30:39,547 It was very obvious that he was hiding Anthony from me. 503 00:30:40,423 --> 00:30:43,426 I spent about a thousand dollars for colored fliers 504 00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:47,096 and I put them all over Ingleside, and all over Houston. 505 00:30:50,016 --> 00:30:52,101 I called Burt's parents in Baton Rouge. 506 00:30:52,685 --> 00:30:54,520 And my son answered the phone. 507 00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:58,858 He said he'd been looking for me, I said, "I've been looking for you, everywhere." 508 00:31:01,944 --> 00:31:03,779 I went straight to Baton Rouge. 509 00:31:05,448 --> 00:31:09,577 I was knocking on the door and saying, "Anthony," calling out his name. 510 00:31:10,453 --> 00:31:13,581 I could hear him in the background, but they would not open the door. 511 00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:17,126 That's when I started putting fliers all around. 512 00:31:17,752 --> 00:31:20,212 I wanted to make everybody in his neighborhood aware 513 00:31:20,296 --> 00:31:22,340 that he has been kidnapped. 514 00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:25,635 That made Burt very angry. 515 00:31:26,886 --> 00:31:29,013 Teresa goes to court in Baton Rouge. 516 00:31:29,805 --> 00:31:32,266 She has several court orders from Texas at that point. 517 00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:37,396 They made Burt hand Anthony over to me. 518 00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:48,074 The drive back from Baton Rouge, Anthony was very happy. 519 00:31:48,574 --> 00:31:50,785 I think that he had not got outside. 520 00:31:50,868 --> 00:31:53,204 He was so happy to be outside and play. 521 00:31:54,288 --> 00:31:56,707 I really thought that I would never see Burt again, 522 00:31:57,875 --> 00:32:00,920 but I forgot what an evil man he was. 523 00:32:01,921 --> 00:32:04,215 Retaliation is something he's good at. 524 00:32:16,978 --> 00:32:20,606 I found this folder after Burt passed away. 525 00:32:21,941 --> 00:32:23,609 It said "Parents File." 526 00:32:26,195 --> 00:32:27,822 I started going through it. 527 00:32:27,905 --> 00:32:32,076 I found a more in-depth knowledge of Burt that I didn't know about. 528 00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:36,414 Approximately eight months prior to us meeting, 529 00:32:36,497 --> 00:32:38,207 he had kidnapped Anthony 530 00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:41,043 from his biological mother, 531 00:32:41,794 --> 00:32:43,504 whom he told me was dead. 532 00:32:45,172 --> 00:32:47,091 As I went through the file, 533 00:32:47,174 --> 00:32:50,761 I found police reports stating that she was crazy. 534 00:32:51,846 --> 00:32:54,765 And I also found handwritten notes 535 00:32:55,725 --> 00:32:59,854 where he had been parked outside of her trailer, stalking her. 536 00:33:05,109 --> 00:33:09,405 I had a feeling that Burt was watching, but always hiding. 537 00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:14,994 This was all woods and he was back there in the woods, 538 00:33:15,494 --> 00:33:16,912 watching our back door. 539 00:33:18,164 --> 00:33:20,249 I was starting to feel safe again 540 00:33:21,417 --> 00:33:23,919 and I let Anthony play out back. 541 00:33:25,379 --> 00:33:27,923 When in reality, I was not safe at all. 542 00:33:29,925 --> 00:33:31,886 He was always back there watching me. 543 00:33:36,724 --> 00:33:40,269 My mother had told me that there was a truck in the backyard. 544 00:33:42,063 --> 00:33:44,690 She couldn't tell if it was anybody she knew. 545 00:33:45,691 --> 00:33:48,444 This is a private detective report 546 00:33:48,527 --> 00:33:50,362 surveilling the house. 547 00:33:50,446 --> 00:33:53,616 It looks like they surveyed the house three days in a row 548 00:33:53,699 --> 00:33:55,493 before they saw Anthony. 549 00:33:57,203 --> 00:34:00,081 "07 p.m., assignment to locate the whereabouts 550 00:34:00,164 --> 00:34:03,334 of Teresa Thompson and son, Anthony Templet." 551 00:34:03,417 --> 00:34:06,629 "45 p.m., began the search and surveillance of subjects." 552 00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:09,006 They got the license plates of two vehicles. 553 00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:12,051 "30 a.m., returned to residence, both vehicles still out 554 00:34:12,134 --> 00:34:14,011 with no movement, no children inside." 555 00:34:14,095 --> 00:34:17,014 "30, spoke to Mr. Burt Templet by cell phone." 556 00:34:17,098 --> 00:34:20,059 "38 p.m., no activity at residence." 557 00:34:20,142 --> 00:34:21,685 "No children sighted." 558 00:34:21,769 --> 00:34:24,313 "No vehicles entered or exited the residence property." 559 00:34:24,396 --> 00:34:26,357 "Small light inside residence, no movement." 560 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,027 "10 a.m., reporting officers sighted male child 561 00:34:30,111 --> 00:34:31,821 outside of next-door residence." 562 00:34:31,904 --> 00:34:36,325 "Short hair, blond in color, no shoes. Playing outside between residence." 563 00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:41,956 "05 a.m., Mr. Templet made contact with Ingleside Police Department by phone, 564 00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:43,874 while en route to Ingleside." 565 00:34:43,958 --> 00:34:45,584 "Discontinued surveillance." 566 00:34:54,802 --> 00:34:56,720 There was a knock on the door, 567 00:34:57,263 --> 00:35:01,100 and when I answered it, there was a cop, there was a single cop, one. 568 00:35:02,643 --> 00:35:03,894 A tall, slim one. 569 00:35:05,062 --> 00:35:07,439 His car was out there and he was in uniform, 570 00:35:07,523 --> 00:35:09,150 so I knew he was a cop. 571 00:35:10,943 --> 00:35:15,322 Teresa, that day, had decided just to run to San Antonio with a friend 572 00:35:15,406 --> 00:35:17,533 so he wouldn't have to drive by his self. 573 00:35:18,576 --> 00:35:23,164 The policeman told me that he had come to pick up Anthony. 574 00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:27,084 His father wanted him. 575 00:35:29,003 --> 00:35:32,173 I couldn't believe it 'cause I didn't think it was legal. 576 00:35:32,256 --> 00:35:34,967 But you don't tell a policeman that. 577 00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:40,973 He said, "Ma'am, I'm sorry, but we have to take AJ." 578 00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:44,768 And I sit down and I said, "AJ, 579 00:35:45,269 --> 00:35:47,771 Mama loves you, Grandma loves you." 580 00:35:47,855 --> 00:35:50,024 "Don't ever forget we love you." 581 00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:53,903 And then he reached over and took him by the hand and… 582 00:35:56,614 --> 00:35:58,908 that was it, I never saw him again. 583 00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:09,001 My mother calls me and says that Burt came and took Anthony. 584 00:36:09,585 --> 00:36:11,962 I was screaming, "Why'd you let him take him?" 585 00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:16,425 We had paperwork at police. And I was real angry at my mom. 586 00:36:18,802 --> 00:36:23,224 I don't think Mom and my sister will ever be able to forgive themselves 587 00:36:23,307 --> 00:36:24,391 for what happened. 588 00:36:25,684 --> 00:36:28,896 Mom felt guilt 'cause she was supposed to be sitting here watching him. 589 00:36:28,979 --> 00:36:31,023 They came right in the house and took him. 590 00:36:33,442 --> 00:36:36,028 I don't know why the cops ended up on his side. 591 00:36:36,111 --> 00:36:37,404 I don't know what happened. 592 00:36:38,906 --> 00:36:41,158 I wish it all went differently, 593 00:36:41,242 --> 00:36:45,287 but, you know, I can't really blame her for that, I say. 594 00:36:47,957 --> 00:36:51,043 I don't understand how I was able to get custody 595 00:36:51,126 --> 00:36:54,838 and then he was able to legally swoop in and get him. 596 00:36:55,422 --> 00:36:58,509 Burt definitely knew about the initial case in Houston. 597 00:36:58,592 --> 00:37:03,597 But what Burt didn't like is that that was unfavorable to him. 598 00:37:04,473 --> 00:37:08,102 He filed his own lawsuit in Louisiana. 599 00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:11,772 This Baton Rouge Court did not know about the proceedings in Texas. 600 00:37:12,606 --> 00:37:16,777 He makes it that she's crazy. Asserts that she's nuts, she uses drugs. 601 00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:19,029 "She makes up statements about how I abuse her." 602 00:37:19,113 --> 00:37:21,991 There's no proof, although he has a conviction for it, right? 603 00:37:22,074 --> 00:37:25,536 He gets the court in Baton Rouge to issue him 604 00:37:25,619 --> 00:37:27,788 temporary full custody of the child. 605 00:37:30,958 --> 00:37:34,670 And so they, as the police, were responsive to it, absolutely. 606 00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:37,881 He didn't physically kidnap AJ, 607 00:37:37,965 --> 00:37:40,259 but he certainly used the family court system 608 00:37:40,342 --> 00:37:43,053 and his lawyer to take that child from Theresa Thompson. 609 00:37:45,556 --> 00:37:49,435 The issue of custody was never fully resolved at all. 610 00:37:51,145 --> 00:37:53,355 It's expensive to file lawsuits, 611 00:37:53,856 --> 00:37:56,817 and most people don't have the wherewithal 612 00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:00,571 in a domestic violence situation to keep going. 613 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,326 And it seemed like just survival was all I could afford 614 00:38:05,409 --> 00:38:08,329 and just taking care of myself at that point. 615 00:38:10,998 --> 00:38:13,917 And I just had no other resources anymore. 616 00:38:14,001 --> 00:38:16,295 You know, we spent thousands of dollars on motels 617 00:38:16,378 --> 00:38:18,630 and gas going back and forth 618 00:38:18,714 --> 00:38:20,716 and just didn't have the money anymore. 619 00:38:21,759 --> 00:38:24,511 Burt clearly had the stamina, 620 00:38:24,595 --> 00:38:27,056 not being the person who was traumatized, 621 00:38:27,139 --> 00:38:30,267 to wear her down, wear her out. 622 00:38:31,352 --> 00:38:33,937 What he wanted was possession of Anthony. 623 00:38:34,021 --> 00:38:36,231 Even if he didn't necessarily want to raise him 624 00:38:36,315 --> 00:38:38,400 and be responsible for him himself. 625 00:38:38,484 --> 00:38:40,277 Once he got that, 626 00:38:40,361 --> 00:38:42,404 in his mind victory was his, 627 00:38:42,488 --> 00:38:44,656 and she was just going to be left wanting. 628 00:38:46,158 --> 00:38:48,202 The first year that Anthony was gone 629 00:38:48,285 --> 00:38:50,037 I worried about him all the time. 630 00:38:50,746 --> 00:38:52,623 That if he was safe, or alive. 631 00:38:53,707 --> 00:38:56,377 Or if he was at drug parties with his father, 632 00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:59,046 or, you know, what kind of situation is he in? 633 00:38:59,129 --> 00:39:00,881 Is he scared? 634 00:39:01,799 --> 00:39:04,343 And by the time, you know, he's 14, 15… 635 00:39:05,886 --> 00:39:08,722 I would-- Don't have no idea what he looks like. 636 00:39:09,807 --> 00:39:13,936 I wouldn't know where to search or even if I found him, if I would recognize him. 637 00:39:14,937 --> 00:39:17,564 Just every year seemed to get worse. 638 00:39:20,526 --> 00:39:25,072 It's hard to believe that Burt was able to carry on a normal life 639 00:39:25,155 --> 00:39:27,408 while my life was destroyed. 640 00:39:32,413 --> 00:39:34,289 I still feel like he's watching me. 641 00:39:35,624 --> 00:39:38,085 Even though I know that's impossible, but… 642 00:39:38,919 --> 00:39:40,712 I'll never feel safe again. 643 00:39:41,922 --> 00:39:43,966 I still feel him out there watching me. 644 00:39:45,592 --> 00:39:47,553 And it's something I'll never get over. 645 00:39:53,934 --> 00:39:55,519 People like Burt, 646 00:39:55,602 --> 00:39:57,855 they know that, at the end of the day, 647 00:39:57,938 --> 00:40:00,649 achieving custody of a child 648 00:40:00,732 --> 00:40:05,195 is probably one of the most abusive things that you can do to a parent 649 00:40:05,279 --> 00:40:07,781 who really, genuinely wants their child. 650 00:40:07,865 --> 00:40:11,410 It's an extension of the abuse that they were already prepared to do. 651 00:40:15,372 --> 00:40:17,624 I feel like a father should never, like, 652 00:40:17,708 --> 00:40:20,377 physically harm any of their kids. 653 00:40:22,463 --> 00:40:25,340 I guess an ideal father would just be, like… 654 00:40:25,424 --> 00:40:28,302 protect them and make them feel wanted and-- 655 00:40:29,553 --> 00:40:32,639 But also kind of let them do their own thing. 656 00:40:34,683 --> 00:40:36,685 Do you know what he did to your mom? 657 00:40:37,811 --> 00:40:40,481 Yeah. I didn't really know at the time. 658 00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:43,859 I know my mom's got PTSD… 659 00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:47,112 …anxiety and depression, and so do I. 660 00:40:49,198 --> 00:40:52,743 That was the one thing that I thought came really strongly across, 661 00:40:52,826 --> 00:40:55,829 was that he was so angry at Burt. 662 00:40:56,455 --> 00:40:57,998 We have trouble getting along. 663 00:40:58,081 --> 00:41:00,667 And uh… I don't really like him. 664 00:41:01,168 --> 00:41:02,336 -You don't? -No. 665 00:41:03,378 --> 00:41:05,255 This is a self-defense case. 666 00:41:05,339 --> 00:41:07,883 It's my contention that Anthony defended himself 667 00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:11,011 from what he thought would be grievous bodily injury. 668 00:41:11,094 --> 00:41:12,971 The bad part of this story is that 669 00:41:13,055 --> 00:41:15,474 he followed him into the bathroom, right? 670 00:41:16,266 --> 00:41:17,392 It's pursuit. 671 00:41:17,893 --> 00:41:19,728 So he started moving to the bathroom. 672 00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:22,439 Did he turn around and walk to the bathroom? 673 00:41:22,523 --> 00:41:24,775 Or did he fall back towards the bathroom? 674 00:41:24,858 --> 00:41:27,027 I think he, like, tried to run to the bathroom. 675 00:41:27,110 --> 00:41:30,364 He turns into the bathroom. Anthony goes around the bathroom 676 00:41:30,447 --> 00:41:33,367 and shoots him again in the head and shoots a third time. 677 00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:34,743 And the third shot misses. 678 00:41:35,911 --> 00:41:38,705 But Burt clearly has life-threatening injuries. 679 00:41:38,789 --> 00:41:42,000 So I, like, shot him once and then twice and then he was on the ground. 680 00:41:42,084 --> 00:41:43,752 So I was like, all right, that's it. 681 00:41:44,211 --> 00:41:47,589 When you look at his statement, when he says he shot once and then 682 00:41:47,673 --> 00:41:49,716 Burt fell down, he didn't have a gun, 683 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,136 and he said, "Don't shoot again" and then he shot multiple more times, 684 00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:56,014 I think that's where you get pushed to second degree murder. 685 00:41:58,475 --> 00:42:01,520 How could you say he didn't intend to kill him? 686 00:42:02,229 --> 00:42:03,105 He shot him, 687 00:42:03,188 --> 00:42:05,482 Burt asked him to stop, 688 00:42:05,566 --> 00:42:08,860 Burt was down and obviously bleeding, 689 00:42:10,195 --> 00:42:11,863 and he continued to shoot him. 690 00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:14,575 That's a murder. 691 00:42:19,997 --> 00:42:22,207 Second degree murder's a life sentence. 692 00:42:23,667 --> 00:42:25,544 This kid's entire life's on the line. 693 00:42:28,422 --> 00:42:29,756 Anthony, to this day, 694 00:42:30,674 --> 00:42:32,342 has trouble expressing 695 00:42:32,426 --> 00:42:34,428 what happened inside the house. 696 00:42:35,012 --> 00:42:37,598 Anthony is nervous, he's scared. 697 00:42:39,016 --> 00:42:41,560 Burt lived a secret life. 698 00:42:42,728 --> 00:42:44,271 He wanted to control everything. 699 00:42:45,105 --> 00:42:48,066 Once Burt got home and closed the door, 700 00:42:48,692 --> 00:42:50,444 he could fucking do anything. 57098

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