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This is where Anthony
used to play.
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And my grandkids play here now.
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My daughter and Anthony planted these,
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and they come back every year.
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My son loved to plant things,
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strawberries and purple flowers
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and lime trees and orange trees, and…
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I kept thinking Anthony would come back,
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and the trees kept growing
and everything kept growing,
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and he didn't come back.
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I worried about him all the time.
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That if he was safe or alive.
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Is he scared?
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I wouldn't know where to search,
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or even if I found him
if I would recognize him.
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I thought,
"Well, at least maybe when he's 17,
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he'll be on the Internet
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and I'll probably
be able to find him," and…
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I did.
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Me and my daughter were sitting
outside, enjoying a cool summer breeze,
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and the phone rang, and it said Louisiana.
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We decided to answer it,
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and someone asked me,
"Do you know Anthony Joseph Templet?"
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Netasha and I were both in shock.
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I said, "Is Anthony dead? Is he okay?"
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Yes, he's fine.
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Someone isn't alive, but it's not him.
He needs help.
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I was just so happy.
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I was jumping up and down and screaming
and, "They found him!" and…
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but it's just, didn't turn out that happy
after the end of the conversation.
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Teresa, she fell apart.
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She carried the "missing" poster
around in her bag for 11 years.
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Burt had made Anthony believe
that Teresa was just a junkie
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and had no use for him,
didn't care about him.
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So he had no reason to look for her.
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Teresa wanted to talk to him immediately,
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and so we were able
to arrange some phone calls.
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Hey.
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-Hey, how's it going?
-Good.
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I found your mom.
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Where's she at?
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She's in Texas.
She's been looking for you, for years.
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You have a brother and a sister.
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Um… I do?
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Yeah.
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I didn't know.
I just thought I was an only child.
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-Do you want to talk to her?
-Yeah, I'll talk to her.
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Anthony?
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-What'd you say?
-Hi, son.
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-Is this real?
-I was so…
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This-- This is your mom.
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Is your name something Webb?
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I was Teresa Webb at once,
yes, I was.
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That was-- That's my maiden name.
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Oh, okay.
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And one day, on Halloween
I was Spider-Mom
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and you were Spider-Man.
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-Because my last name was Webb.
-I remember.
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I've been looking for you
since day one.
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Since the day he took you out
the back porch, I've been looking for you.
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Anthony Templet had been kept
from his family for 11 years.
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That's according
to what Anthony's sister told WAFB.
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His sister got in touch with the station.
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That was like a huge break
in the story for us.
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She said, quote,
"He has been secluded and abused
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all of these years by his own father."
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"My brave brother had to defend himself
for the last time against that evil man."
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That confirmed that there were some
off-putting things going on.
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District Attorney Hillar Moore
says his office is investigating.
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We received some phone calls
from different people,
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providing different information,
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and we'll continue to listen
to whatever's out there,
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wherever that leads us.
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Some family members indicated
that he as a child was kidnapped,
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maybe from Texas,
and was brought here and was living here.
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That was something really unusual.
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There was a Shayna Landry
who contacted our homicide office
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and made mention that Anthony
was kidnapped by his father
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when he was five years old.
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I conducted a follow-up investigation.
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Anthony was not listed in the NCIC.
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It's a nationwide broadcast
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that can have information,
such as missing persons.
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Burt did not have any warrants
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or was wanted for any crimes.
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Nothing at all.
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There seems to be two conflicting sides
of this initial story
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that Anthony was taken.
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The claims that were made
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by Anthony's sister
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and biological mother aren't standing up.
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District Attorney Hillar Moore
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says his office has been in touch
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with several of Anthony's family members
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to review how to move forward.
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But the question remains:
was this self-defense?
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Got it.
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You got it? Mom, that's heavy.
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I live with my mother Patricia…
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Old age sucks.
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…and my sister Becky.
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Our friends call us
the Golden Girls.
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Oh, we get along good.
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It's real difficult sometimes,
but we get along great.
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We've always got along great.
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The first time I met Burt
I was going through a very difficult time.
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I was going through a divorce
when my kids, Matthew and Netasha,
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were like nine and 12.
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And I was working seven days a week
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in a crab shack in Ingleside.
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Burt was in town from Baton Rouge,
working for an oil company.
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He came into the restaurant,
and I was not a very good waitress…
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…and I forgot his salad.
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I said, "I'm sorry. I forgot your salad,"
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and he goes,
"I don't eat that food group."
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And I thought it was funny, and that's how
I started hanging out with him.
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It felt good to have fun
for the first time in a long time.
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It really did.
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The first time I saw Burt,
he had too big a smile.
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It wasn't real.
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And I thought
"No, I'm not going to care for him."
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"Besides, he doesn't look like the type
of man she usually likes."
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But, he kept on, kept on.
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Burt was offered a job in Houston
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after we lived together
for a couple months,
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and he asked if I wanted to go with him
and I said sure,
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that I would love to live in Houston.
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Teresa wanted a better life
for her kids
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and everything, and thought it looked good
and pretty and all nice and sweet,
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and it wasn't.
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We didn't really know him.
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Apparently,
not a lot of people did either.
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El Burt-tro.
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Wait, we can't see you.
Can you come into the light?
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He's walking in darkness.
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What are some memories
about Teresa?
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Well, I don't remember
a whole lot about her, honestly.
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I just remember that she had blonde hair.
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Remember any love for her?
Do you remember any feelings for her?
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No, I don't really. I--
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I was so young at the time,
I didn't really--
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I don't really remember any of that stuff.
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Me and you were best buddies.
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Your daddy was never there.
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I know you don't know if you love me
or not because you don't remember.
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But we got lots of love.
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First time I started seeing red flags
is when we moved to Houston
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and his erratic behaviors.
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Burt demanded attention on him
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from the moment he walked in
till he was asleep.
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I had to be attentive of him.
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There was a time in our dating
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where he was making us a Bloody Mary
and I was not paying attention to him.
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I was cooking and cleaning
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and he just kept insisting
that I look at him.
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And uh… I didn't.
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He came around and stared at me
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and karate chopped a bar stool in half
and it just split.
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He started becoming crazier.
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And come to find out he was into cocaine,
a lot of cocaine.
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That made me more scared of him.
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I saw the warning signs,
but I wasn't picking up on them, I think.
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I saw her become quieter, sad.
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I went there, I visited,
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trying to figure out what to do,
what's going on.
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Burt did not really want us around
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because we would see
what he was really like,
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and he did not want us to see that.
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As our relationship progressed,
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my world got smaller.
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I was more realizing
that I was controlled daily
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by moods of Burt's.
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Burt just could go off on anything.
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He just had a hair trigger temper.
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One time, we're sitting there
having a cup of coffee.
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There was a spoon,
one spoon, in the kitchen sink
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and we were leaving a mess.
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Had a royal fit.
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One time he beat me so bad that
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I was in bed for a week.
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I still don't know
why I stayed after that.
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More out of fear, I think, from then on.
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We'd been together for a couple years
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and I just believed
that he had never had children,
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that maybe he couldn't have children.
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So, it was a surprise
when I found out I was pregnant.
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I was so disappointed
when she got pregnant with Anthony
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because I didn't think the relationship
would handle a child.
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She had the baby and the beatings kept on.
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He was in jail at that time,
for abusing me.
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So he did do time in jail?
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Yes.
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-Six months in Houston.
-Do you know his charges?
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It was more than one.
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He beat me when I was pregnant with you.
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So, multiple cases?
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Three or four.
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You know, I tried to block all that out.
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Hello, Harris County
Sheriff's Department. Hello?
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-He took off with the baby.
-Who?
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Burt Templet.
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How old's the baby?
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-Seven months.
-Okay.
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He beat me up
and he just took off with the baby.
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The fact that he took Anthony
really scared me a lot.
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Burt did this just to hurt me.
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Do you need an ambulance?
Are you hurt?
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No, I just… I have some bruises.
That's about it.
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Okay, we're gonna send
an officer out, okay?
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Burt was a very good manipulator.
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He could manipulate police officers too.
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The police chased him down and let him go,
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so I felt like, well,
if they're not going to arrest him,
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then there isn't much help or hope.
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So now I was beginning to think there was
no use in calling the police anymore.
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When he came back, he never apologized.
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He would just act like it never happened.
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The abuse was so frequent
that it almost did seem normal.
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I mean, I didn't think anybody else
lived any other way.
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I grew up in an abusive house also.
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One of my coping mechanisms
was to completely erase it from my brain.
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The first blocking that I did
was when my stepdad was molesting me.
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And I learned how to block from that age.
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My husband,
he had this thing for young girls.
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That's pretty basically why I left him.
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This is my father.
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And this is my mother.
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I think about my dad
and things that happened.
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I think about Mom.
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My father was an alcoholic,
and he beat my mother a lot.
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You don't realize
you're marrying a man like that.
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You don't realize it
because they're good at deceiving.
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I have seen so much of it.
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Teresa's dad was that way.
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I took beatings
that I shouldn't have taken.
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They always say,
"I'm so sorry. I love you."
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You know, "I won't do it again."
They always do it again.
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Teresa had the same problem.
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I don't know how
to break the cycle of violence.
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I don't know how do you break it.
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One of the questions
people ask us all the time is,
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"How do you represent people
that you know are guilty?"
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But the difficult question is,
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"How do you represent someone
that you know is innocent?"
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And that question is much worse.
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If I go to trial
with a person that's innocent
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and that person goes to jail,
now it's on me.
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Now I just put an innocent man in jail,
and that's a dead serious thing for me.
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It's difficult to say
that Anthony's innocent
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because Anthony, you know,
took a gun and shot and killed his father.
251
00:15:28,178 --> 00:15:31,974
You know, not having
enough information about the case,
252
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I'm sort of, you know, hesitant to say,
"Yes, in fact it's self-defense"
253
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or "No, it's not self-defense."
254
00:15:37,729 --> 00:15:41,566
I'll have to know more about the case
prior to making that determination.
255
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How you feeling?
256
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Just a little sad.
257
00:15:54,204 --> 00:15:57,082
It's all right, man.
I get it. I really do, man.
258
00:15:58,250 --> 00:16:01,420
He never put me in public school
and I never understood why.
259
00:16:01,503 --> 00:16:02,379
Yeah.
260
00:16:03,797 --> 00:16:06,341
I think he was trying
to hide me from my mom.
261
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I think so too.
262
00:16:14,474 --> 00:16:17,936
We were talking extensively
with the district attorney
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about Anthony's case.
264
00:16:20,564 --> 00:16:22,941
We think there's a real defense here.
265
00:16:23,483 --> 00:16:25,777
And we think
there's a defense here so great
266
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that you may not even want
to charge the kid at all.
267
00:16:28,864 --> 00:16:32,993
Anthony Templet is currently
being held on a $100,000 bond.
268
00:16:33,076 --> 00:16:35,662
His defense is hoping
this case won't go to trial,
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as they believe
there's not enough evidence
270
00:16:37,748 --> 00:16:40,000
to prosecute manslaughter charges.
271
00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:42,335
As the case went on,
272
00:16:42,836 --> 00:16:46,173
the district attorney made clear
he was going to bring it to a grand jury.
273
00:16:46,256 --> 00:16:50,677
What's the penalty for manslaughter?
It's zero time to 40 years.
274
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But if it's murder, it's a life sentence.
275
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That's pretty big stakes, right?
276
00:16:56,058 --> 00:16:57,934
Jarrett Ambeau
was pretty confident
277
00:16:58,018 --> 00:17:00,687
that it was going to go
in the way of Anthony.
278
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This is 9 News at Noon.
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Thanks for joining us, I'm Liz Koh.
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New here at noon, charges have
been upgraded for this Baton Rouge teen.
281
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The grand jury indicted him
on the charge of second-degree murder.
282
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Second degree murder
is the killing of a human being
283
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when you have the specific intent
to kill somebody.
284
00:17:22,042 --> 00:17:25,587
And that's what the grand jury found.
285
00:17:25,670 --> 00:17:27,714
And, honestly, I think that…
286
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reasonable minds could conclude
that he murdered his father,
287
00:17:32,344 --> 00:17:35,180
and he intended to do it,
basically, that's it.
288
00:17:36,598 --> 00:17:38,141
It should have never happened.
289
00:17:38,225 --> 00:17:40,560
You should not have charged him
with second-degree murder.
290
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The risk is so great.
291
00:17:44,106 --> 00:17:46,691
Look, I'm an exceptionally good
trial attorney,
292
00:17:46,775 --> 00:17:49,111
but I can walk in
and lose a case I should win.
293
00:17:51,988 --> 00:17:53,990
When he was indicted
for second-degree murder,
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he was moved
from the juvenile justice system
295
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into the adult system automatically.
296
00:17:58,954 --> 00:18:03,166
Now Anthony is a juvenile
sitting in a cold and terrible place.
297
00:18:03,250 --> 00:18:04,209
It's falling apart,
298
00:18:04,292 --> 00:18:07,337
there are very seriously violent criminals
in that place,
299
00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:08,797
it's a very dangerous place.
300
00:18:14,886 --> 00:18:17,430
As you well know,
I think that we're headed for a trial.
301
00:18:17,514 --> 00:18:18,348
You think so?
302
00:18:18,431 --> 00:18:21,518
Yeah, I don't think the DA's
gonna offer you anything
303
00:18:21,601 --> 00:18:23,645
that I could advise you to live with.
304
00:18:23,728 --> 00:18:24,688
Right.
305
00:18:26,231 --> 00:18:27,983
How's that strike you, man?
306
00:18:28,483 --> 00:18:30,193
I didn't want to take this to trial.
307
00:18:30,277 --> 00:18:32,487
But we'll just have to see
how it goes, I guess.
308
00:18:32,571 --> 00:18:34,865
What makes you uncomfortable
about that?
309
00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:38,910
I just don't think
they're going to treat me fairly.
310
00:18:42,205 --> 00:18:43,123
But who knows?
311
00:18:45,292 --> 00:18:46,960
It's completely wrong, you know.
312
00:18:47,043 --> 00:18:48,795
I shouldn't be charged with anything.
313
00:18:49,296 --> 00:18:51,047
Because I didn't do anything wrong.
314
00:18:53,466 --> 00:18:55,719
What was your intent
when you shot him?
315
00:18:56,303 --> 00:18:58,597
To not kill him.
I didn't want to kill him.
316
00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,390
I just didn't want him to kill me.
317
00:19:02,267 --> 00:19:04,269
What did you think
was going to happen?
318
00:19:04,728 --> 00:19:07,522
He would hit the ground and that'd be it.
319
00:19:08,315 --> 00:19:12,402
Maybe call the police, get the medics
over here, explain what happened.
320
00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:14,029
And they'd save his life?
321
00:19:14,112 --> 00:19:15,864
Save his life, get me out of there.
322
00:19:15,947 --> 00:19:17,240
Explain it all away.
323
00:19:17,324 --> 00:19:18,825
Get me out of the house.
324
00:19:19,826 --> 00:19:20,702
Forever.
325
00:19:28,126 --> 00:19:31,504
Burt started saying
that we needed to get life insurance,
326
00:19:31,588 --> 00:19:35,967
and I told him that I would not
get life insurance with him.
327
00:19:36,593 --> 00:19:38,553
I would not sign
any life insurance with him
328
00:19:38,637 --> 00:19:41,056
because he would kill me just for money.
329
00:19:42,807 --> 00:19:46,853
So I wrote little notes
saying, "If I die, Burt did it."
330
00:19:47,938 --> 00:19:50,440
And I was hiding notes all over the house.
331
00:19:50,941 --> 00:19:54,486
She put notes in the oven,
anywhere she could.
332
00:19:54,569 --> 00:19:56,363
"If I end up dead, Burt did it."
333
00:20:00,492 --> 00:20:03,411
One night, one of Burt's friends
came to the door.
334
00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:06,248
He started screaming,
"You need to leave now."
335
00:20:06,331 --> 00:20:08,333
"Burt has hired me to kill you."
336
00:20:09,501 --> 00:20:12,379
He said, "I am not going to do it,
but you need to leave."
337
00:20:13,338 --> 00:20:16,049
And I started turning around
trying to grab things,
338
00:20:16,633 --> 00:20:17,884
trying to grab my son.
339
00:20:18,843 --> 00:20:21,221
But he goes, "No, you got to go now."
340
00:20:21,304 --> 00:20:23,598
And he's screaming, "Leave now!
Leave now!"
341
00:20:23,682 --> 00:20:26,726
And he got into his car and left,
and then Burt pulled up.
342
00:20:29,354 --> 00:20:32,440
He just kind of bust in
all angry and everything.
343
00:20:32,524 --> 00:20:35,277
Was like, "We're gonna kick his ass,"
and then squealed out.
344
00:20:37,153 --> 00:20:40,657
I believe that he was going
after the man that told me this.
345
00:20:43,076 --> 00:20:44,995
When he came back the next day,
346
00:20:45,704 --> 00:20:48,540
he would just ignore the fact
that all happened.
347
00:20:48,623 --> 00:20:50,292
He pretty much didn't talk about it.
348
00:20:50,375 --> 00:20:52,085
That wasn't too long before she left.
349
00:20:52,168 --> 00:20:53,628
She was really afraid.
350
00:21:01,386 --> 00:21:04,347
A few weeks later,
I was trying to figure out a way
351
00:21:04,431 --> 00:21:07,183
for Anthony and I
to both get away from Burt.
352
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:09,978
His parents had came to visit.
353
00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:13,189
I'm making them breakfast,
pork chop and eggs,
354
00:21:13,273 --> 00:21:14,691
and that made him mad.
355
00:21:15,608 --> 00:21:17,110
"Why you making them pork chops?"
356
00:21:17,193 --> 00:21:20,530
"Well, Ingleside people
eat pork chops for breakfast."
357
00:21:23,366 --> 00:21:26,786
He threw a glass of milk in my face,
in front of his parents.
358
00:21:27,412 --> 00:21:28,830
Hit me with plates.
359
00:21:28,913 --> 00:21:32,292
He grabbed me by the back of the head.
Started pulling my hair.
360
00:21:33,168 --> 00:21:35,670
I lost quite a bit of hair
on that situation.
361
00:21:37,255 --> 00:21:39,132
And his parents begged him to stop.
362
00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:41,217
They seemed genuinely scared too.
363
00:21:42,218 --> 00:21:44,220
He told his parents to leave.
364
00:21:44,929 --> 00:21:48,475
I told him I'm leaving too
and I need to get Anthony.
365
00:21:48,558 --> 00:21:51,686
And he had Anthony wrapped up
pretty hard in his arms
366
00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:53,772
and, "You're not taking my son anywhere."
367
00:21:55,148 --> 00:21:57,108
I just got in the car with his parents.
368
00:21:57,609 --> 00:22:00,862
I was afraid if I took Anthony,
that Burt would kill me and my family.
369
00:22:02,530 --> 00:22:06,242
The hardest part was driving away
and leaving Anthony behind.
370
00:22:09,621 --> 00:22:11,873
I had them drop me off on the freeway.
371
00:22:12,415 --> 00:22:15,126
"I'll get to the bus station.
Just drop me off right here."
372
00:22:15,210 --> 00:22:17,879
I walked all the way
to the bus station in downtown Houston
373
00:22:17,962 --> 00:22:20,423
and got on the bus and left.
374
00:22:22,926 --> 00:22:26,471
I did not get to see her
until she came down here.
375
00:22:26,554 --> 00:22:30,225
This skinny little girl got off the bus
with all her hair pulled out.
376
00:22:30,308 --> 00:22:33,520
That's when I saw some of the results.
377
00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:36,314
He didn't just beat her a little bit.
He beat her bad.
378
00:22:39,776 --> 00:22:42,821
I laid in bed for weeks, mending.
379
00:22:44,656 --> 00:22:48,201
I was hurt in the face and body and soul
380
00:22:48,284 --> 00:22:52,372
and had to leave my son behind,
and it was not a good feeling.
381
00:22:55,250 --> 00:22:58,711
I just remember them
getting mad at each other,
382
00:22:58,795 --> 00:23:00,630
and she ended up leaving
383
00:23:00,713 --> 00:23:03,299
and we ended up going to Louisiana
for some reason.
384
00:23:03,383 --> 00:23:04,801
I don't know why.
385
00:23:05,427 --> 00:23:07,345
Every year on your birthday
I cry.
386
00:23:09,514 --> 00:23:10,932
Because I miss you so much.
387
00:23:11,558 --> 00:23:12,976
And I usually make you cake.
388
00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:15,937
-Oh, really?
-Yes.
389
00:23:17,147 --> 00:23:18,898
You have one minute left.
390
00:23:20,024 --> 00:23:23,570
I love you, Son.
I missed you forever. I am…
391
00:23:23,653 --> 00:23:26,114
Until I get to see you again,
I will never be happy.
392
00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:27,991
I love you very much.
393
00:23:28,491 --> 00:23:29,367
Yeah.
394
00:23:36,833 --> 00:23:40,545
Breaking news in the case of
a teenager accused of killing his father.
395
00:23:40,628 --> 00:23:45,842
A judge has reduced Anthony Templet's bond
so that he can seek counseling.
396
00:23:46,426 --> 00:23:49,888
Now that comes with a host of requirements
that Templet has to fulfill.
397
00:23:49,971 --> 00:23:53,892
He must submit to regular mental health
screenings and evaluations.
398
00:23:53,975 --> 00:23:56,644
He must be tracked
by a GPS monitoring device
399
00:23:56,728 --> 00:23:59,314
and must come back
into court every 30 days.
400
00:24:03,610 --> 00:24:05,820
Anthony was in jail
about six months.
401
00:24:05,904 --> 00:24:08,323
And my assertion to the judge was,
402
00:24:08,406 --> 00:24:12,660
"This is a kid who isn't going
to be served by sitting in a jail cell."
403
00:24:13,244 --> 00:24:15,288
"He doesn't have any history of violence,
404
00:24:15,371 --> 00:24:19,417
and being in is detrimental
to his ability to defend himself."
405
00:24:21,377 --> 00:24:23,963
It was a little scary for him
to get out on bail, for me.
406
00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:27,842
Because every time Anthony came to court,
he just had the same affect, you know?
407
00:24:27,926 --> 00:24:31,763
It's just like, you can't read him because
he's just kind of like a blank slate.
408
00:24:33,014 --> 00:24:34,891
I don't know what's going on in that head.
409
00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:38,520
What if he gets out on bond
and he kills somebody?
410
00:24:38,603 --> 00:24:42,607
I would feel totally responsible
if that happened
411
00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:44,776
because I made this decision.
412
00:24:46,361 --> 00:24:49,113
We had him examined
by a psychologist.
413
00:24:50,406 --> 00:24:51,991
Psychologist came back and said,
414
00:24:52,075 --> 00:24:54,369
"I don't think
this kid's a danger to society."
415
00:24:54,452 --> 00:24:57,121
"I don't think he's a danger
to other people
416
00:24:57,205 --> 00:24:58,623
in a controlled environment."
417
00:25:00,166 --> 00:25:01,292
The judge agreed with us
418
00:25:01,376 --> 00:25:04,671
and let him out without posting
a serious bond of any kind.
419
00:25:06,089 --> 00:25:06,965
Listen.
420
00:25:07,048 --> 00:25:10,802
I want to reiterate to you how important
what the judge said was yesterday.
421
00:25:10,885 --> 00:25:11,719
-Right?
- I know.
422
00:25:11,803 --> 00:25:13,429
-The curfew's serious.
-Right.
423
00:25:13,513 --> 00:25:14,681
The job, the…
424
00:25:14,764 --> 00:25:17,725
the ankle monitor, everything has
to be followed to the letter.
425
00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:20,562
-One step at a time.
-That's right.
426
00:25:23,356 --> 00:25:25,525
We're just waiting to see his eyes
427
00:25:25,608 --> 00:25:28,236
for the first time as a family.
428
00:25:31,364 --> 00:25:33,074
It's been a long time coming.
429
00:25:33,741 --> 00:25:34,826
I'm shaking.
430
00:25:35,326 --> 00:25:37,412
The only time I've gotten to see him
431
00:25:37,495 --> 00:25:41,040
is from opposite side
of the courtroom in shackles.
432
00:25:44,294 --> 00:25:47,672
When he was calling me from jail
I asked him a lot of questions
433
00:25:48,172 --> 00:25:51,968
and I quickly realized
it was not a good idea.
434
00:25:53,011 --> 00:25:54,387
He doesn't even know me
435
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:57,599
and I think he doesn't remember
all the good times that we had.
436
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,312
So I decided to leave him alone
until he wants to come visit us
437
00:26:02,395 --> 00:26:03,896
or reach out and call me.
438
00:26:04,522 --> 00:26:06,816
But of course I want to hug him.
439
00:26:07,734 --> 00:26:09,235
To not let him go.
440
00:26:10,695 --> 00:26:13,656
So, yes, it's really hard not to be there.
441
00:26:30,798 --> 00:26:31,841
Hey, how's it going?
442
00:26:32,842 --> 00:26:36,596
I love you, boy.
I love you so much. I love you so much.
443
00:26:37,722 --> 00:26:42,101
When Anthony comes out,
he doesn't look like a 17-year-old kid.
444
00:26:43,353 --> 00:26:46,314
Emotionally, he's still a kind of… um…
445
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:52,111
I don't know if cold is the right word,
but he looked a little more hardened.
446
00:26:56,282 --> 00:26:58,117
Anthony is my child.
447
00:27:00,495 --> 00:27:02,872
I don't see him as a stepson.
448
00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:04,791
I see him as my child…
449
00:27:07,210 --> 00:27:09,629
because I know he has nobody.
450
00:27:10,338 --> 00:27:12,965
He has nobody to stand behind him.
451
00:27:22,642 --> 00:27:25,687
At this point, my way to help AJ
452
00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:27,980
is by anything I can do,
453
00:27:28,064 --> 00:27:30,191
whether I go up on the stand in court--
454
00:27:30,274 --> 00:27:32,443
Which I am full and willing to do.
455
00:27:32,527 --> 00:27:35,905
No matter what, if he needs me, I'm there.
Just like I would my own brother.
456
00:27:37,407 --> 00:27:40,034
It's a scary time
because I could go back to jail.
457
00:27:40,535 --> 00:27:41,661
It's a possibility,
458
00:27:41,744 --> 00:27:45,289
and it's terrible to think about
because I know I'm innocent.
459
00:27:47,875 --> 00:27:50,920
They thought I was not
dangerous enough to stay in jail,
460
00:27:51,003 --> 00:27:54,006
but dangerous enough
to not be let out without,
461
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:55,675
you know, a leash.
462
00:27:55,758 --> 00:27:58,261
So… it's kind of a burden.
463
00:27:59,345 --> 00:28:01,139
Even though we got
Anthony released,
464
00:28:01,222 --> 00:28:04,642
he's still facing a charge
that carries a life sentence.
465
00:28:05,435 --> 00:28:08,646
It is not an end victory by any chance,
it's not the end of the story,
466
00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:12,150
but it is certainly a great
50 meter target for me.
467
00:28:14,944 --> 00:28:16,404
-All right.
-All right.
468
00:28:19,407 --> 00:28:21,492
-This is the first step.
-Yeah.
469
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,996
Be the person
that you've always wanted to be.
470
00:28:26,622 --> 00:28:28,624
I blame my dad for everything.
471
00:28:29,751 --> 00:28:34,797
Because it all would have worked out fine
if I just had anyone else as a father.
472
00:28:36,174 --> 00:28:38,676
I feel like he kind of
stole my childhood away.
473
00:28:48,227 --> 00:28:51,189
I still had to go back to Houston
and get Anthony.
474
00:28:52,273 --> 00:28:55,318
But when I pulled up to the house,
there was no one there.
475
00:28:55,401 --> 00:28:57,028
Anthony and Burt were gone.
476
00:28:57,737 --> 00:28:59,447
That's when I got lawyers.
477
00:29:04,869 --> 00:29:09,248
Statistics show that when a person
is leaving a domestic violence situation
478
00:29:09,832 --> 00:29:14,587
their risk for harm
and danger actually elevates.
479
00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:16,923
That's one of the reasons why people stay.
480
00:29:18,716 --> 00:29:22,136
Teresa Thompson came to us
the early part of 2007,
481
00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:25,264
seeking assistance
for a civil protective order
482
00:29:25,348 --> 00:29:27,683
and custody of a child that she shared.
483
00:29:28,518 --> 00:29:32,480
Domestic violence usually translates
into custody battles,
484
00:29:32,563 --> 00:29:36,234
because that's the most impactful way
485
00:29:36,317 --> 00:29:39,445
that an abuser can hurt the other parent.
486
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:43,825
Taking your children is definitely
a hurtful place to find yourself.
487
00:29:45,493 --> 00:29:47,411
Teresa got the protective order.
488
00:29:48,788 --> 00:29:52,250
The next matter
was securing custody of her child.
489
00:29:53,376 --> 00:29:55,920
He did not appear at the hearing.
490
00:29:56,796 --> 00:29:59,507
He was supposed
to hand over custody and he didn't.
491
00:30:00,466 --> 00:30:02,301
Burt and Anthony just disappeared.
492
00:30:05,012 --> 00:30:07,515
I've seen this happen many,
many times,
493
00:30:07,598 --> 00:30:11,018
where it's not at all
about the child in question.
494
00:30:11,102 --> 00:30:12,270
It's not about Anthony.
495
00:30:12,812 --> 00:30:15,857
It's about,
"I want to control the situation
496
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:18,568
and here's my new way
to control the situation."
497
00:30:18,651 --> 00:30:22,613
"So I'm going to use this child
against you over and over again."
498
00:30:24,407 --> 00:30:27,285
When I didn't know where he was,
I searched for schools
499
00:30:27,368 --> 00:30:29,579
and um… searching for his name,
500
00:30:29,662 --> 00:30:32,248
Burt's name and Anthony's name.
501
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,834
And I was coming up with nothing.
502
00:30:36,127 --> 00:30:39,547
It was very obvious
that he was hiding Anthony from me.
503
00:30:40,423 --> 00:30:43,426
I spent about a thousand dollars
for colored fliers
504
00:30:43,509 --> 00:30:47,096
and I put them all over Ingleside,
and all over Houston.
505
00:30:50,016 --> 00:30:52,101
I called Burt's parents in Baton Rouge.
506
00:30:52,685 --> 00:30:54,520
And my son answered the phone.
507
00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:58,858
He said he'd been looking for me, I said,
"I've been looking for you, everywhere."
508
00:31:01,944 --> 00:31:03,779
I went straight to Baton Rouge.
509
00:31:05,448 --> 00:31:09,577
I was knocking on the door and saying,
"Anthony," calling out his name.
510
00:31:10,453 --> 00:31:13,581
I could hear him in the background,
but they would not open the door.
511
00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:17,126
That's when I started
putting fliers all around.
512
00:31:17,752 --> 00:31:20,212
I wanted to make everybody
in his neighborhood aware
513
00:31:20,296 --> 00:31:22,340
that he has been kidnapped.
514
00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:25,635
That made Burt very angry.
515
00:31:26,886 --> 00:31:29,013
Teresa goes to court in Baton Rouge.
516
00:31:29,805 --> 00:31:32,266
She has several court orders
from Texas at that point.
517
00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:37,396
They made Burt hand Anthony
over to me.
518
00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:48,074
The drive back from Baton Rouge,
Anthony was very happy.
519
00:31:48,574 --> 00:31:50,785
I think that he had not got outside.
520
00:31:50,868 --> 00:31:53,204
He was so happy to be outside and play.
521
00:31:54,288 --> 00:31:56,707
I really thought
that I would never see Burt again,
522
00:31:57,875 --> 00:32:00,920
but I forgot what an evil man he was.
523
00:32:01,921 --> 00:32:04,215
Retaliation is something he's good at.
524
00:32:16,978 --> 00:32:20,606
I found this folder
after Burt passed away.
525
00:32:21,941 --> 00:32:23,609
It said "Parents File."
526
00:32:26,195 --> 00:32:27,822
I started going through it.
527
00:32:27,905 --> 00:32:32,076
I found a more in-depth knowledge
of Burt that I didn't know about.
528
00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:36,414
Approximately eight months
prior to us meeting,
529
00:32:36,497 --> 00:32:38,207
he had kidnapped Anthony
530
00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:41,043
from his biological mother,
531
00:32:41,794 --> 00:32:43,504
whom he told me was dead.
532
00:32:45,172 --> 00:32:47,091
As I went through the file,
533
00:32:47,174 --> 00:32:50,761
I found police reports
stating that she was crazy.
534
00:32:51,846 --> 00:32:54,765
And I also found handwritten notes
535
00:32:55,725 --> 00:32:59,854
where he had been parked
outside of her trailer, stalking her.
536
00:33:05,109 --> 00:33:09,405
I had a feeling that Burt
was watching, but always hiding.
537
00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:14,994
This was all woods
and he was back there in the woods,
538
00:33:15,494 --> 00:33:16,912
watching our back door.
539
00:33:18,164 --> 00:33:20,249
I was starting to feel safe again
540
00:33:21,417 --> 00:33:23,919
and I let Anthony play out back.
541
00:33:25,379 --> 00:33:27,923
When in reality, I was not safe at all.
542
00:33:29,925 --> 00:33:31,886
He was always back there watching me.
543
00:33:36,724 --> 00:33:40,269
My mother had told me
that there was a truck in the backyard.
544
00:33:42,063 --> 00:33:44,690
She couldn't tell
if it was anybody she knew.
545
00:33:45,691 --> 00:33:48,444
This is a private detective report
546
00:33:48,527 --> 00:33:50,362
surveilling the house.
547
00:33:50,446 --> 00:33:53,616
It looks like they surveyed the house
three days in a row
548
00:33:53,699 --> 00:33:55,493
before they saw Anthony.
549
00:33:57,203 --> 00:34:00,081
"07 p.m.,
assignment to locate the whereabouts
550
00:34:00,164 --> 00:34:03,334
of Teresa Thompson
and son, Anthony Templet."
551
00:34:03,417 --> 00:34:06,629
"45 p.m., began the search
and surveillance of subjects."
552
00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:09,006
They got the license plates
of two vehicles.
553
00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:12,051
"30 a.m., returned to residence,
both vehicles still out
554
00:34:12,134 --> 00:34:14,011
with no movement, no children inside."
555
00:34:14,095 --> 00:34:17,014
"30, spoke to Mr. Burt Templet
by cell phone."
556
00:34:17,098 --> 00:34:20,059
"38 p.m., no activity at residence."
557
00:34:20,142 --> 00:34:21,685
"No children sighted."
558
00:34:21,769 --> 00:34:24,313
"No vehicles entered
or exited the residence property."
559
00:34:24,396 --> 00:34:26,357
"Small light inside residence,
no movement."
560
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,027
"10 a.m., reporting officers
sighted male child
561
00:34:30,111 --> 00:34:31,821
outside of next-door residence."
562
00:34:31,904 --> 00:34:36,325
"Short hair, blond in color, no shoes.
Playing outside between residence."
563
00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:41,956
"05 a.m., Mr. Templet made contact
with Ingleside Police Department by phone,
564
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:43,874
while en route to Ingleside."
565
00:34:43,958 --> 00:34:45,584
"Discontinued surveillance."
566
00:34:54,802 --> 00:34:56,720
There was a knock on the door,
567
00:34:57,263 --> 00:35:01,100
and when I answered it, there was a cop,
there was a single cop, one.
568
00:35:02,643 --> 00:35:03,894
A tall, slim one.
569
00:35:05,062 --> 00:35:07,439
His car was out there
and he was in uniform,
570
00:35:07,523 --> 00:35:09,150
so I knew he was a cop.
571
00:35:10,943 --> 00:35:15,322
Teresa, that day, had decided
just to run to San Antonio with a friend
572
00:35:15,406 --> 00:35:17,533
so he wouldn't have to drive by his self.
573
00:35:18,576 --> 00:35:23,164
The policeman told me
that he had come to pick up Anthony.
574
00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:27,084
His father wanted him.
575
00:35:29,003 --> 00:35:32,173
I couldn't believe it
'cause I didn't think it was legal.
576
00:35:32,256 --> 00:35:34,967
But you don't tell a policeman that.
577
00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:40,973
He said, "Ma'am, I'm sorry,
but we have to take AJ."
578
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:44,768
And I sit down and I said, "AJ,
579
00:35:45,269 --> 00:35:47,771
Mama loves you, Grandma loves you."
580
00:35:47,855 --> 00:35:50,024
"Don't ever forget we love you."
581
00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:53,903
And then he reached over
and took him by the hand and…
582
00:35:56,614 --> 00:35:58,908
that was it, I never saw him again.
583
00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:09,001
My mother calls me and says
that Burt came and took Anthony.
584
00:36:09,585 --> 00:36:11,962
I was screaming,
"Why'd you let him take him?"
585
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:16,425
We had paperwork at police.
And I was real angry at my mom.
586
00:36:18,802 --> 00:36:23,224
I don't think Mom and my sister
will ever be able to forgive themselves
587
00:36:23,307 --> 00:36:24,391
for what happened.
588
00:36:25,684 --> 00:36:28,896
Mom felt guilt 'cause she was supposed
to be sitting here watching him.
589
00:36:28,979 --> 00:36:31,023
They came right in the house and took him.
590
00:36:33,442 --> 00:36:36,028
I don't know why the cops
ended up on his side.
591
00:36:36,111 --> 00:36:37,404
I don't know what happened.
592
00:36:38,906 --> 00:36:41,158
I wish it all went differently,
593
00:36:41,242 --> 00:36:45,287
but, you know,
I can't really blame her for that, I say.
594
00:36:47,957 --> 00:36:51,043
I don't understand
how I was able to get custody
595
00:36:51,126 --> 00:36:54,838
and then he was able
to legally swoop in and get him.
596
00:36:55,422 --> 00:36:58,509
Burt definitely knew
about the initial case in Houston.
597
00:36:58,592 --> 00:37:03,597
But what Burt didn't like
is that that was unfavorable to him.
598
00:37:04,473 --> 00:37:08,102
He filed his own lawsuit in Louisiana.
599
00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:11,772
This Baton Rouge Court did not know
about the proceedings in Texas.
600
00:37:12,606 --> 00:37:16,777
He makes it that she's crazy.
Asserts that she's nuts, she uses drugs.
601
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:19,029
"She makes up statements
about how I abuse her."
602
00:37:19,113 --> 00:37:21,991
There's no proof, although
he has a conviction for it, right?
603
00:37:22,074 --> 00:37:25,536
He gets the court
in Baton Rouge to issue him
604
00:37:25,619 --> 00:37:27,788
temporary full custody of the child.
605
00:37:30,958 --> 00:37:34,670
And so they, as the police,
were responsive to it, absolutely.
606
00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:37,881
He didn't physically kidnap AJ,
607
00:37:37,965 --> 00:37:40,259
but he certainly used
the family court system
608
00:37:40,342 --> 00:37:43,053
and his lawyer
to take that child from Theresa Thompson.
609
00:37:45,556 --> 00:37:49,435
The issue of custody
was never fully resolved at all.
610
00:37:51,145 --> 00:37:53,355
It's expensive to file lawsuits,
611
00:37:53,856 --> 00:37:56,817
and most people don't have the wherewithal
612
00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:00,571
in a domestic violence situation
to keep going.
613
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,326
And it seemed like just survival
was all I could afford
614
00:38:05,409 --> 00:38:08,329
and just taking care of myself
at that point.
615
00:38:10,998 --> 00:38:13,917
And I just had no other resources anymore.
616
00:38:14,001 --> 00:38:16,295
You know, we spent
thousands of dollars on motels
617
00:38:16,378 --> 00:38:18,630
and gas going back and forth
618
00:38:18,714 --> 00:38:20,716
and just didn't have the money anymore.
619
00:38:21,759 --> 00:38:24,511
Burt clearly had the stamina,
620
00:38:24,595 --> 00:38:27,056
not being the person who was traumatized,
621
00:38:27,139 --> 00:38:30,267
to wear her down, wear her out.
622
00:38:31,352 --> 00:38:33,937
What he wanted was possession of Anthony.
623
00:38:34,021 --> 00:38:36,231
Even if he didn't necessarily
want to raise him
624
00:38:36,315 --> 00:38:38,400
and be responsible for him himself.
625
00:38:38,484 --> 00:38:40,277
Once he got that,
626
00:38:40,361 --> 00:38:42,404
in his mind victory was his,
627
00:38:42,488 --> 00:38:44,656
and she was just going to be left wanting.
628
00:38:46,158 --> 00:38:48,202
The first year that Anthony
was gone
629
00:38:48,285 --> 00:38:50,037
I worried about him all the time.
630
00:38:50,746 --> 00:38:52,623
That if he was safe, or alive.
631
00:38:53,707 --> 00:38:56,377
Or if he was at drug parties
with his father,
632
00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:59,046
or, you know,
what kind of situation is he in?
633
00:38:59,129 --> 00:39:00,881
Is he scared?
634
00:39:01,799 --> 00:39:04,343
And by the time, you know,
he's 14, 15…
635
00:39:05,886 --> 00:39:08,722
I would--
Don't have no idea what he looks like.
636
00:39:09,807 --> 00:39:13,936
I wouldn't know where to search or even
if I found him, if I would recognize him.
637
00:39:14,937 --> 00:39:17,564
Just every year seemed to get worse.
638
00:39:20,526 --> 00:39:25,072
It's hard to believe that Burt was able
to carry on a normal life
639
00:39:25,155 --> 00:39:27,408
while my life was destroyed.
640
00:39:32,413 --> 00:39:34,289
I still feel like he's watching me.
641
00:39:35,624 --> 00:39:38,085
Even though I know that's impossible, but…
642
00:39:38,919 --> 00:39:40,712
I'll never feel safe again.
643
00:39:41,922 --> 00:39:43,966
I still feel him out there watching me.
644
00:39:45,592 --> 00:39:47,553
And it's something I'll never get over.
645
00:39:53,934 --> 00:39:55,519
People like Burt,
646
00:39:55,602 --> 00:39:57,855
they know that, at the end of the day,
647
00:39:57,938 --> 00:40:00,649
achieving custody of a child
648
00:40:00,732 --> 00:40:05,195
is probably one of the most abusive things
that you can do to a parent
649
00:40:05,279 --> 00:40:07,781
who really, genuinely wants their child.
650
00:40:07,865 --> 00:40:11,410
It's an extension of the abuse
that they were already prepared to do.
651
00:40:15,372 --> 00:40:17,624
I feel like a father
should never, like,
652
00:40:17,708 --> 00:40:20,377
physically harm any of their kids.
653
00:40:22,463 --> 00:40:25,340
I guess an ideal father
would just be, like…
654
00:40:25,424 --> 00:40:28,302
protect them
and make them feel wanted and--
655
00:40:29,553 --> 00:40:32,639
But also kind of
let them do their own thing.
656
00:40:34,683 --> 00:40:36,685
Do you know what he did
to your mom?
657
00:40:37,811 --> 00:40:40,481
Yeah. I didn't really know
at the time.
658
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:43,859
I know my mom's got PTSD…
659
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:47,112
…anxiety and depression, and so do I.
660
00:40:49,198 --> 00:40:52,743
That was the one thing that I thought
came really strongly across,
661
00:40:52,826 --> 00:40:55,829
was that he was so angry at Burt.
662
00:40:56,455 --> 00:40:57,998
We have trouble getting along.
663
00:40:58,081 --> 00:41:00,667
And uh… I don't really like him.
664
00:41:01,168 --> 00:41:02,336
-You don't?
-No.
665
00:41:03,378 --> 00:41:05,255
This is a self-defense case.
666
00:41:05,339 --> 00:41:07,883
It's my contention
that Anthony defended himself
667
00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:11,011
from what he thought would be
grievous bodily injury.
668
00:41:11,094 --> 00:41:12,971
The bad part of this story is that
669
00:41:13,055 --> 00:41:15,474
he followed him into the bathroom, right?
670
00:41:16,266 --> 00:41:17,392
It's pursuit.
671
00:41:17,893 --> 00:41:19,728
So he started moving to the bathroom.
672
00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:22,439
Did he turn around
and walk to the bathroom?
673
00:41:22,523 --> 00:41:24,775
Or did he fall back towards the bathroom?
674
00:41:24,858 --> 00:41:27,027
I think he, like,
tried to run to the bathroom.
675
00:41:27,110 --> 00:41:30,364
He turns into the bathroom.
Anthony goes around the bathroom
676
00:41:30,447 --> 00:41:33,367
and shoots him again in the head
and shoots a third time.
677
00:41:33,450 --> 00:41:34,743
And the third shot misses.
678
00:41:35,911 --> 00:41:38,705
But Burt clearly
has life-threatening injuries.
679
00:41:38,789 --> 00:41:42,000
So I, like, shot him once and then twice
and then he was on the ground.
680
00:41:42,084 --> 00:41:43,752
So I was like, all right, that's it.
681
00:41:44,211 --> 00:41:47,589
When you look at his statement,
when he says he shot once and then
682
00:41:47,673 --> 00:41:49,716
Burt fell down, he didn't have a gun,
683
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,136
and he said, "Don't shoot again"
and then he shot multiple more times,
684
00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:56,014
I think that's where you get pushed
to second degree murder.
685
00:41:58,475 --> 00:42:01,520
How could you say
he didn't intend to kill him?
686
00:42:02,229 --> 00:42:03,105
He shot him,
687
00:42:03,188 --> 00:42:05,482
Burt asked him to stop,
688
00:42:05,566 --> 00:42:08,860
Burt was down and obviously bleeding,
689
00:42:10,195 --> 00:42:11,863
and he continued to shoot him.
690
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:14,575
That's a murder.
691
00:42:19,997 --> 00:42:22,207
Second degree murder's
a life sentence.
692
00:42:23,667 --> 00:42:25,544
This kid's entire life's on the line.
693
00:42:28,422 --> 00:42:29,756
Anthony, to this day,
694
00:42:30,674 --> 00:42:32,342
has trouble expressing
695
00:42:32,426 --> 00:42:34,428
what happened inside the house.
696
00:42:35,012 --> 00:42:37,598
Anthony is nervous, he's scared.
697
00:42:39,016 --> 00:42:41,560
Burt lived a secret life.
698
00:42:42,728 --> 00:42:44,271
He wanted to control everything.
699
00:42:45,105 --> 00:42:48,066
Once Burt got home
and closed the door,
700
00:42:48,692 --> 00:42:50,444
he could fucking do anything.
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