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BELL RINGS
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LIVELY CHATTER
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PA: ..please wait outside
the building...
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RINGING STOPS
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But one thing, right?
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50 of us lot get on a bus
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and the whole world
knows we're lesbians.
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There's no mistake about it.
They know what we are.
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We're out of the closet,
wearing what we're wearing.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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I'm saying that you're
discounting and trivialising
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a whole other range
of sexual feelings.
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BELL RINGS
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Do you call yourself
a lezzo dyke?
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Yes.
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I'm not saying,
"Tell me what you do in bed,
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"and why is it better
and why is mine wrong?"
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I... I just want to say
one other thing.
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ROWDY CHATTER
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-..attack.
-No, I don't.
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I just said to you...
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-Can we listen
to what's being said?
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MUSIC: I Hate Being In Love
by Amy And The Angels
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♪ I hate being in love
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♪ I hate being in love
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♪ I hate being in love
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♪ Oo-ee-oo
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♪ I hate being in love
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♪ One of my friends has told me
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♪ It is such good fun
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♪ First you've got to see her
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♪ And then you're on the run
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♪ Every other weekend
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♪ They ask me, "How'd it go?
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♪ "Isn't it fantastic?"
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♪ And I say, "No, no, no," cos
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♪ I hate being in love
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♪ I hate being in love
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♪ I hate being in love
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♪ Oo-ee-oo
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♪ I hate being in love
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♪ You hold my hand and kiss me
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♪ You buy me ice-cream cones
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♪ You also write me letters
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♪ And say you miss my bones
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♪ I can't say I might move
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♪ I'm saying I don't know
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♪ It's strange, somewhat uneasy
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♪ I can't ask you, no, no, cos
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♪ I hate being in love
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♪ I hate being in love
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♪ I hate being in love
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♪ Oo-ee-oo
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♪ I hate being in love. ♪
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We weren't lesbians -
we were dykes.
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We wanted to be sexual people.
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Rebel dykes were outlaws.
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This was way before there were
queer activists or riot grrls.
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We invented it.
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MUSIC: He Called Me
A Fat Pig... by the Renees
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It was a great time
and a terrible time
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to be young and queer
in London.
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Obviously, there was Thatcher -
that was a common enemy.
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Thatcher had just got in
in 1979.
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We're on the street,
we were working class.
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-We were young, we were punks,
we were poor.
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-We were a kind of subculture.
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-We were a community,
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because there were so many laws
made against us.
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-Politically, there was always
this attempt to silence.
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MUSIC: Life - No
by the Petticoats
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We had to ring Lesbian Line
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to find out where there
might be a dyke bar.
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I came to London
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in the mid-'70s and, um,
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I didn't know any other
lesbians.
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There weren't
any other lesbians,
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as far as I was aware -
I was actually the only one.
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So it was very difficult.
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Cos there was nowhere to go,
there was no clubs,
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there was...
It was really isolated.
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-I was living in quite a
conservative town
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just outside Winchester.
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I had seen a woman in the town
who I liked, who was
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cycling around dressed
all in black,
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with a great chain
strung across her.
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And, um, obviously developed
a massive crush on her.
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The only problem was, she was
about 15 years older than me
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and she said, "Go to Greenham."
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Greenham Common was
a women's peace camp and, um,
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you wanted to go and join
and live there.
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♪ We are strong, we are strong
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♪ We say "no", we say "no"
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♪ To the bomb, to the bomb
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♪ We are women, we are women
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♪ We are strong... ♪
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FISCH: Women came from
everywhere. Hundreds and...
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Thousands of women came.
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♪ To the bomb, to the bomb
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♪ We are women... ♪
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Suddenly, there I was with
all these other lesbians
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and women who thought
they might be lesbians.
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It was like a ready-made
community.
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MUSIC: Statement
by the Poison Girls
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It was that version of being
a woman and then later,
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sort of, realised that version
of being
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a dyke that really made me
want to go there and live there
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more than the nuclear protest,
if I'm honest.
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We were reclaiming that land
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by putting women's energy
into it.
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We really needed to reclaim
space then.
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Everything seemed to be
owned by the patriarchy.
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CHANTING: Lesbians!
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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And I was a separatist then.
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You know, I wouldn't even
have had a male cat.
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There were eight gates,
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you know, all the colours of
the rainbow,
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around the base.
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Orange Gate was
the musicians' gate.
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-Green Gate was the notorious
gate of separatists.
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-There was a brand of feminism
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which said that you had to be
a lesbian.
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-Their view is that lesbianism
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is a political as much as
a sexual identity.
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It's about giving
all of your energy,
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all of your identity
to your sisters,
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and withdrawing from men and
male behaviour
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as much as possible.
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-After that, I moved
to Blue Gate,
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where there were
far more younger women.
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-Blue Gate was the gate
nearest the pub,
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so that was, like, your young
drinking lesbians' gate.
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-We weren't really into that
sort of
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Housewives For Peace
kind of image.
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♪ Whisky makes you frisky
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♪ Gin makes you sin
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♪ Brandy makes you randy
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♪ And rum makes you... ♪
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After school on a Friday,
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I'd get on the bus and up to
Greenham,
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spend the weekend there
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and then come back to school
on the Monday morning.
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So I did that as often as
I could, really.
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One time - I can't remember who
it was said,
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"Come on, come with me,
let's go and get some booze,"
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and just took me
into the woods.
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And it turns out that a group
of women
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had broken into the
squaddies' bar, essentially,
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and nicked all of their
alcohol - just the lot.
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FISCH: We were very
politically aware
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but we were also
really naughty.
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We just...
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We took great delight in really
just winding them up.
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One year, they brought over
this Blackbird spy plane
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that had this special skin
on it which meant that it could
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fly at
particularly fast speeds.
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About six of us
broke into the base one night
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and threw paint at this plane,
which...
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The level of damage
to this skin
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was in the, kind of,
multimillions.
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They bailed us but the prospect
was of, kind of,
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going to prison for, like,
25 years or something.
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-There was a nine-mile fence,
remember,
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so it was impossible for them
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to control that amount
of perimeter.
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So you'd just go to a bit where
there weren't any patrols
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and you'd get your bolt cutters
out and in you'd go.
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So we were just crawling around
in the base, you know,
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planting acorns in circles
on the full moon.
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-The first time
I had sex was in the base.
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So, went in, with this woman
who I fancied -
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"Oh, I've never
had sex before."
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And it was all smoky and misty
all around us.
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So that was quite exciting.
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ATALANTA: Some of the older
women, sort of, like,
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decided that they would tell us
all about lesbian sex.
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We were told that we
had to keep our nails short
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and one of the few women that
was into SM, who was a vegan,
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showed us how to make whips out
of rubber and things like that.
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So, that was a happy time.
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I met loads of fantastic women
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who were squatting in London
at the time.
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I ended up
squatting in Brixton.
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JO: There was a lot of empty
buildings in Brixton.
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Some landlords
that weren't there
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and just leaving their
properties empty.
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-I hitchhiked from Finland.
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We came to London and we didn't
know where to sleep.
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And we walked through Brixton,
with my friend Emma,
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and she took us to Tulse Hill.
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And she said, "Wait here,"
and she came back
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with a crowbar hidden, like,
under her jacket.
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So, she broke in very quick,
changed the lock and said,
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"OK, here's your new
apartment."
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SEIJA CHUCKLES
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It was good to open them up
and give them some life, erm,
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and we needed
somewhere to live.
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You know,
London was different then.
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It was harder to get around.
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And it was dirtier,
it was meaner.
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-Especially in south London,
at that time,
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there was still quite
a risk of being gay-bashed.
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-It was easier to be nocturnal,
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so that the straight people
didn't ever get to see you.
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-In those days,
people were very homophobic,
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so there'd be always people
shouting remarks
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and here's this very obvious
dyke walking through Soho
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with my shaved head
and my big boots.
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And suddenly, the same guys
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were giving me lots and lots of
money to see my body.
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It was kind of nuts.
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-Always had, like,
a legal and illegal part,
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and it was quite sleazy places.
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You did have to really
look out for yourself.
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-I would take my speed and
I'd share it with my friends
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and we'd go tramping round the
city centre of London at night.
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I felt like it was my city.
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Then there was that
whole twilight zone -
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literally the twilight zone -
where it was evening,
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you'd woken up, they were all
coming home from work,
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and that's when things happen.
That's when...
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Yeah, stuff happened
on the streets.
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The chances are, you probably
were gonna get
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your head slapped about.
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And so it was dangerous just to
be who you were in those days.
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MAJ: You didn't want to get
spotted on the streets.
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You would drop hands
at certain moments.
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At least two of my friends
were cut on their face,
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because they'd been
identified as dykes.
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So I ended up...
My mum was a nurse,
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so that qualified me to
do butterfly stitches,
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which I made out of...
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I don't know -
gaffer tape, probably -
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and fixed a scar on her face.
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YVONNE: I kind of, like,
was getting grief.
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Homophobia and racism.
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My first six months in London,
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I went to a few
political meetings.
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They had some sort of
conference
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at the South London Women's
Centre in Brixton,
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which I was invited to,
as a black woman.
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And when I got there
I was like,
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"Oh, God, this is so serious."
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A lot of discussion around
Greenham Common, for example.
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And I'd just come out
the army -
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do you think I was
mentioning that to anybody?
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Saturday night,
I'm not having a workshop
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and I'm not having a hug-in.
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I just want to cut some shapes
on the dance floor.
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I just want to go
and say "hi" to people.
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-There weren't that many places
for a young lesbian to go.
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When I came out about 1986,
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there was something like
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three or four bars or clubs
that I knew of.
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There was Gateways.
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And I think there was, like,
that Kenric Society for,
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you know, the rich women of
Kensington and Richmond
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which, obviously,
didn't apply to me.
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You'd get your dole on Thursday
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and you'd spent it by
Friday night.
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We made our own entertainment,
really.
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I used to DJ when I was in
the army, out of desperation.
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I knew a good party.
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We called it Sistermatic.
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And the club was run by four
black women -
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four very, very different black
women - and before we knew it,
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it'd kind of blown up into
this amazing party.
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We played a lot of lovers rock,
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reggae and dance-hall
sort of music.
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And we took it on a journey,
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so we played house music
in its early format.
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Well, I did.
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And, yeah, between
me and Lorna,
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who was one of the other DJs
in the collective,
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we could play from ten o'clock
till ten o'clock next morning.
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I started to see a rise
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in the number of Asian women
that would come.
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Lots of different younger
black women coming through.
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So, we had a whole
scope of people
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dancing to the same
sort of music.
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You had your, kind of,
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Greenham-Common-looking
feminist.
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You had your, kind of, S and M
dykes on bikes kind of thing.
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And there was quite a few
of them.
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MUSIC: Sister George
by Sister George
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Let's see those
Black Widows tattoos.
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LAUGHTER
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Hi!
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FISCH: The lesbian motorbike
group was the Black Widows.
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There was about - I don't
know - 20 of us, 30 of us.
292
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And, um, we used to go on runs.
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We've all got crash helmets,
so nobody can tell who we are.
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You know, and you see people
going, "Oh, my God!"
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Then we'd get off
our motorbikes,
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take off our crash helmets and
it's like... "Oh, it's women!
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"Let's go!"
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A lot of the motorbiking
lesbians I'd met
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used to go to the Bell so,
obviously, I went to the Bell.
300
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-The Bell was the only
truly mixed place
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for lesbians and gays,
you know.
302
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The Bell... I mean,
the Bell was crazy.
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Glue-sniffing. Drugs.
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Too much booze.
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Fights.
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There were skinheads there
but I...
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I think the thing was, cos I
had a Mohican at the time
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and I used to work out a lot,
I had a stance.
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You know, I had an attitude.
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And there were some beautiful
women there as well,
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so it was just like,
"What's not to like?"
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People like Sinead O'Connor
would go there
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and nick our style.
Yes, she did.
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TRILL: Wednesday night, it was
meant to be women's night.
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I remember the very first time
we went,
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it was completely dead.
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The music was just
bland and awful.
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So we thought, "We can do
better than this -
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"let's try and get a night here
and get some second-hand vinyl
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"and, you know, be creative."
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The Sleeze Sisters,
the monumental Sleeze Sisters,
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Trill and Pom.
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They played everything that
I wanted to hear.
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One of the first serious bands
I was in, Mouth Almighty,
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one of our first gigs
was actually at the Bell.
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There were loads of
lesbian bands on the scene.
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How could I could I forget
the Brixton legends that were
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the Sluts from Outer Space?
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MUSIC: Queer Riot by
Sluts from Outer Space
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"Dykes get a lot of trouble
cos we don't suck their dicks.
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"Why don't we get together
and throw some fucking bricks?"
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♪ Dykes get a lot of trouble
cos we don't suck their dicks
333
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♪ Why don't we get together and
throw some fucking bricks? ♪
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A - you couldn't be a woman
in a band.
335
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B - you couldn't be
a women-only band.
336
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C - you couldn't be lesbians.
337
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So, you know, on all commercial
fronts, we were fucked.
338
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But we didn't care -
we just did it.
339
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♪ Queer riot
340
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♪ We want a riot
341
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♪ Queer riot
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♪ Want a riot of our own. ♪
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That's the first time I came
to London, just to find a band.
344
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We got to organise this big
concert
345
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in the Fabrik in Hamburg,
which is this big music venue.
346
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They said,
"This doesn't actually exist.
347
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"There aren't women bands
to play there."
348
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And I said,
"You must be joking.
349
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"We will find them, bring them
here and they will play."
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So, I came in December 1986.
351
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I mean, on this Monday evening
352
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is kind of when my life
really totally changed.
353
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It was... It was amazing.
354
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,040
I met these Finnish women
that were visiting.
355
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Seija was telling me
she wanted to start
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this women's S and M club
in London.
357
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I was really
fascinated with the idea
358
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,960
and I was also very fascinated
with Seija, I have to admit.
359
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She was very gorgeous-looking.
360
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Tall. They were wearing
this uniform - caps,
361
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these long military coats,
big boots and very...
362
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,000
She was very passionate about
her ideas and I loved that.
363
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We had already been running
a club called Extasy in Finland
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since 1985, doing
the kind of things
365
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with arts, pornography and SM.
366
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,040
And we always mixed those
three things together.
367
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There were lots of trans people
there and lesbian mothers
368
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,280
and there were bisexuals
and androgynous people,
369
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like how we called ourselves.
370
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,400
It was kind of, like, a really
open queer group
371
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,840
and it attracted people who
were artist-minded
372
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and who were really free.
Free in their will.
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BAYA: She was an artist
but she wanted to also
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00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,560
bring sex into art
or art into sex.
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00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,360
MUSIC: Primal Bond
by Tapanda Re
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Chain Reaction had had a real
build-up
377
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from women all over the place.
Some were saying,
378
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,320
"Oh, no, you don't want to
go there.
379
00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:54,320
"Don't... You know...
Dodgy lot of women."
380
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And then other women saying,
381
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,680
"Oh!" You know, "You've got
to go, you've got to go."
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FISCH: I knew you had to wear
a dress code
383
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and I had a leather jacket
384
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,640
and I had Dr Marten boots.
385
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,480
So I thought, "Oh, that'll do."
386
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,880
So I went and, you know, I paid
my pound and I got in
387
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and I was just so scared of
meeting anybody
388
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,720
and I thought it was
gonna be...
389
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You know, I didn't really have
an understanding
390
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,200
of what happened there.
391
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,960
We would arrive
at about nine o'clock.
392
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I think we opened about ten.
393
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,120
And we would
have our tool of choice,
394
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,560
which was a roll of black
bin liners, and then we would
395
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,240
cover up all the windows
with black bin liners.
396
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,720
That was all the decorating
we did,
397
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,200
was just covering
up the windows.
398
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,520
There was a back room, where...
That was almost like
399
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,800
a culture of its own, actually,
the pool room.
400
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,880
Sometimes you'd wander in with
your rubber dress,
401
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,840
trying to
attract a butch's attention.
402
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,960
-Everybody was very busy,
of course, coming there
403
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,800
and looking very cool
in their leathers,
404
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,960
and finding people to
have sex with.
405
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,440
But the cabaret was
a bit like the highlight.
406
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,560
I had seen maybe one
Monty Python film
407
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,160
and when I saw the first
cabaret at Chain Reaction,
408
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,840
that's what it reminded me of.
409
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:29,960
It was so bad it was good.
410
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,800
We had things like mud
wrestling - yes, I did that.
411
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,280
THEY YELL
412
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,640
CHEERING
413
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,440
Baby-oil wrestling -
yes, I did that.
414
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,320
Spaghetti-hoop wrestling -
no, I didn't do that.
415
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,440
Spaghetti, which we haven't
actually forgiven Baya for.
416
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,800
-Spaghetti?
-Spaghetti.
417
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,400
BAYA: I could just really fancy
418
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,960
having ketchup
poured all over me
419
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,520
and have it, sort of,
run over me.
420
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,480
I thought that'd be
quite theatrical.
421
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,000
-I got to be the person who did
a lot of the cabarets,
422
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,600
because I was quite excited
about getting fucked in public.
423
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,560
My name, in those days,
was Jane Campbell,
424
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,120
and I was known as
Jane, Jane, Queen of Pain.
425
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,080
When I was a kid, I had
behavioural stuff
426
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:55,360
about attention seeking.
427
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,760
They used to call it
attention-seeking behaviour.
428
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,000
And, you know, I was actually
quite a lonely kid.
429
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,160
But anyway, it developed into
a kind of sexuality,
430
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,880
and I was very ashamed of
wanting sex all the time.
431
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,800
You know, that slut-shaming
thing that goes on about,
432
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,520
if you love sex there's
something wrong with you.
433
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,840
And, yeah, I just got loved
and all my friends
434
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,520
were really accepting of it
and indulgent of it,
435
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,120
and I learned to
love it myself.
436
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,440
Love that part of myself.
437
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,640
I was crucified to a cross,
438
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,840
er, tied to a motorbike, er...
439
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,040
It was just thrilling.
My eyes popped.
440
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,600
A lot in leather.
Just really sharp-looking.
441
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,120
You were allowed to be
butch and femme,
442
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,840
but not in the old-fashioned
'50s way,
443
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,480
which is kind of the image
we had behind us.
444
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,200
Depends how far we go back
but there was that whole...
445
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,040
pre-Chain Reaction thing which
was really, kind of,
446
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,200
about butch and femme
and looking like
447
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,200
a straight man and
a straight woman.
448
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,520
Because if you were
able to pull that off,
449
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,960
you could walk past a homophobe
and they wouldn't clock you.
450
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,120
So what that was the idea
behind butch and femme.
451
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,200
Especially if you wanted to be
a bit tarty,
452
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,440
you were better off with
a really, really butch woman,
453
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,800
because then you really did
pass for straight.
454
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,800
I could wear lipstick
and I could be girlie.
455
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,120
I could wear heels
456
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,760
but I wasn't buying into
457
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,960
the straight world at all.
458
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,920
Which I would never have done.
459
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,600
So, yeah, it felt like
a freeing.
460
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,760
DEL: There were very few
safe spaces.
461
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,520
And at Chain Reaction,
462
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,240
it was a space for femme dykes
to be femme.
463
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,320
Another thing about
Chain Reaction
464
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:23,520
which was very different for
lesbian clubs of the time
465
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,560
was that it was
trans-inclusive.
466
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,360
Little did I know that,
you know,
467
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,000
some years later I
would identify
468
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,440
as both trans and intersex.
469
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,920
ROZ: I mean, this was the '80s.
470
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,200
Trans people
identified as lesbian or bi,
471
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,280
tended to be very
deeply in the closet about it -
472
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,040
both because of
getting access to surgery
473
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,600
and drugs from the
gatekeeping doctors,
474
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,240
and because people were
led to believe
475
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,240
it was unacceptable
on the scene.
476
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,560
Compared with every other
lesbian scene in London,
477
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,000
Chain Reaction was
comparatively accepting
478
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,200
of trans women.
479
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,400
The same month that
I actually transitioned,
480
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,680
The Transsexual Empire was
published in London,
481
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,720
which was demanding
the expulsion
482
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,000
of all trans people
from all women's spaces.
483
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000
So, having a place to go
484
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,080
where being trans wasn't...
485
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,040
an absolute no-no...
486
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,200
..was very, very cool.
487
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,440
Chain Reaction - I don't know
how long it lasted, but...
488
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,520
maybe it was only a couple of
years or so. But it really...
489
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,240
It really created an incredible
bond between us.
490
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,520
We hung out together...
491
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,920
in a big house.
492
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,960
MUSIC: Soray by
Tapanda Re
493
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,200
LULU: There were three houses
of lesbians,
494
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,160
all, you know, like,
almost in a row.
495
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,760
-There were just lesbians
stuffed into every room.
496
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,480
There was, like, I don't know,
maybe about six rooms
497
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,680
but there'd be
18 people living there.
498
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,960
There'd always be a menagerie
of animals.
499
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,120
Rats, terrapins, dogs -
500
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,640
everything.
501
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,400
Cats, obviously.
502
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,120
It was a real creative time.
I mean, everybody was...
503
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,160
You know, people were either
taking photographs
504
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,640
or, you know, writing or
making art or doing theatre.
505
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,760
The scene was...different.
506
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,520
It was a lot more intimate.
507
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,600
DEL: Everybody sleeping
with everybody else.
508
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,040
FISCH: That thing in
The L Word,
509
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,120
where they've got that big
chart at the beginning -
510
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,880
they nicked that off us.
That was our idea.
511
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,080
It was like a lesbian soap.
512
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,600
And there was one woman on
there who was incredibly cute
513
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,240
and she pretty much slept with
everybody,
514
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,520
and so they make this big chart
with her name in the middle
515
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,600
and then, like,
arrows going off
516
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,160
to all the people
she'd slept with
517
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,920
and then all the people
they'd slept with.
518
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,000
We loved each other and
then we loved people
519
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,560
who loved our lovers,
520
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,000
so why wouldn't we want to
shag them as well, then?
521
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,640
DEL: Jane and I had exactly
the same taste in butchness.
522
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,800
So, really, I had great fun
for years
523
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,880
playing "nab that butch".
524
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,320
You know, Jane would see,
and if Jane saw me
525
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,880
being interested
in somebody, you know,
526
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,320
we had a real fierce
friendly competition.
527
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,760
She usually won.
528
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,440
We loved each other.
529
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,200
It was one big happy
shaggy family.
530
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,840
BAYA: Originally, I come
from East Germany.
531
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,560
When I was 17, my family
escaped to West Germany.
532
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,840
My father, he had real problems
in East Germany.
533
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,480
He was put in prison as
a political prisoner
534
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,840
for two and a half years.
535
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,040
I knew if I stayed on my own,
536
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,640
I would have a lot of
repercussions of them escaping.
537
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,360
I found it really difficult to
fit in in the West
538
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,880
and I had quite a...
539
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,320
My parents left and lived
somewhere else.
540
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,560
I was on my own,
and feeling quite lonely.
541
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,680
When I came to London,
I was single for quite a while.
542
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,440
What really saved me
was the women that I met
543
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,280
and who I made friends with.
544
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,880
That became my family.
545
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,680
That was something that
was lasting.
546
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,520
There were people...
547
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,040
that loved me and that I loved.
548
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,400
-Our birth families had
rejected us, basically.
549
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,920
So we would get
together at Christmas...
550
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,600
This one Christmas, I think we
had 26 women
551
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,760
for Christmas dinner.
552
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,320
BAYA: So, we'd wake up
in the morning,
553
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,680
everybody would be in jimjams
and we'd have Bucks fizz.
554
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,080
-I think we all got drunk
before 11 o'clock.
555
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,520
-Mountains of presents that we
all just gave each other.
556
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,520
We spent all day just
unwrapping presents
557
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,200
and, of course,
we'd have to have a turkey.
558
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,800
Baya fisted the turkey
and everyone watched.
559
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,000
Had this enormous turkey.
560
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,240
It was so big, it wouldn't
fit in our tiny little oven.
561
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,800
Probably had taken some acid
in the afternoon
562
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,800
to go with the buck's fizz.
And then about eight
563
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,640
in the evening, everyone
went, "Oh, my God -
564
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,480
"we've got a turkey.
We need to put it in the oven."
565
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,840
So I started, you know,
mixing the apples,
566
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,760
onions, breadcrumbs, stuffing.
567
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,000
As I was stuffing the turkey,
I just so tripped out.
568
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,240
As if I was in
a different galaxy,
569
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,640
where having sex with a turkey
570
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,360
was a perfectly fine thing
to do. It was weird.
571
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,920
MUSIC: Wrapped Up In Sex
by Mouth Almighty
572
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,960
SEIJA: It was like our little
own fantasy world.
573
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,400
♪ I have got
574
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,440
♪ No, no, no regrets
575
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,680
♪ I don't need
576
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,280
♪ A permanent lover... ♪
577
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,440
We were decorating only
with black plastic, you know,
578
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,360
and all black stuff.
So I had this idea that tonight
579
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,480
I'd do something really
nice and soft
580
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,600
and I went to Waterloo
flower market in the morning
581
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,920
to pick up flowers that had
been left on the floor.
582
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,120
And we had a huge amount of
flowers
583
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,080
and we took them to the club
and we were putting them up
584
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,760
everywhere, when we heard
a knock on the door.
585
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,440
They were all covered
in the face -
586
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,840
we couldn't recognise them.
587
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,440
With sticks and bars and shit.
588
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,560
And they had crowbars and axes.
589
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Mashing up the bar,
590
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,440
hitting some of the women
who were there,
591
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,320
and just screeching about
violence against women.
592
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,400
And, finally,
the woman behind the bar,
593
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,640
she started screaming
out really loud.
594
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,680
It was an organisation called
Wavaw.
595
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:51,240
Women Against Violence
Against Women.
596
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,800
It was a group called Women
Against Women
597
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,360
Who Are Into Sadomasochism.
598
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,640
It was like, er,
599
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,640
Lesbians Against Violence
Against Women
600
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,160
standing outside.
601
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,040
And they would
sit outside the club
602
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,600
and hiss to everybody
who came in.
603
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,040
MUSIC: Life - No
by the Petticoats
604
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,200
♪ All those people
in the dole queues
605
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:24,920
♪ All those businessmen
in the... ♪
606
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,480
I was brought up as
a socialist -
607
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,200
I was never to
cross a picket line.
608
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,200
I had to cross
my first picket line
609
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,640
because they were trying to
stop us from going in.
610
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,320
And I knew some of those women.
611
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,000
So, the women that I took
to Greenham
612
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,560
ended up being
some of the women
613
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,080
that picketed Chain Reaction
on the first night.
614
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,400
One of my performances did get
stormed, actually,
615
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,600
by some of those women.
616
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,040
I had my friend
in the audience,
617
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,160
who came and volunteered.
618
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,400
She had to pick things out of
a bag and I would say,
619
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,320
"How would you like me
to use this you?"
620
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,480
But she was blindfolded, you
know, and had to touch things,
621
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,600
and ended up with her
on all fours, tied up,
622
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:21,400
and hot wax started and it
just went absolutely crazy.
623
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,280
Because a whole load of women
stormed the stage,
624
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,440
trying to beat us up.
625
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,640
They didn't realise it was
a whole set-up - that it was
626
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,280
playing with this idea of,
how far can you push things?
627
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,120
And almost putting a mirror up
to oneself and others.
628
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,200
Then there was a huge debate,
with some of the other women
629
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,440
saying, "What the hell are you
doing? You can't go and
630
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,960
"attack women for this. You
don't know even the context."
631
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,240
I understood that they
perceived SM
632
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,720
as aping or copying domestic
violence relationships.
633
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,760
SEIJA: That there is blood in
your hands
634
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,360
and there's a man in your head
and you're violent.
635
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,400
When we were beating each other
and cutting each other,
636
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,160
it took the power away
from that thing.
637
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,080
Somehow we felt much more like
we could survive a beating.
638
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,480
Even though I knew a lot of
these women
639
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,880
were sweeties underneath,
very often there was
640
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,600
a kind of callousness
displayed.
641
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,280
DEL: I had ideological
political differences
642
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,240
with some of the women
in Chain Reaction
643
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,880
who wanted to enact
Nazi fantasies
644
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,600
or wear Nazi uniforms
to the club.
645
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,480
And that was the line
you do not cross.
646
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,040
I did not want to be part
of that
647
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,080
and I argued fiercely
against it and I won.
648
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,360
TYPEWRITERS CLACK
649
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,080
We got denounced in the London
Women's Liberation newsletter,
650
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,240
for wearing instruments of
torture and Nazi regalia,
651
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,160
which was, like,
a little over the top.
652
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,920
Never worn a swastika in my
life, shout at people who do.
653
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,440
But, you know, we got
denounced
654
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,320
for wearing a Muir cap
and a biker jacket.
655
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,200
A hugely political thing,
wearing a leather jacket,
656
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,200
as a lesbian.
657
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:30,920
You were a Nazi if you did.
658
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,720
MUSIC: Rococo Subversive
by Sister George
659
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,160
CHANTING
660
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,640
CHEERING
661
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,440
We at Chain Reaction,
on the contrary,
662
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,400
work towards a mutual and equal
power exchange
663
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,920
based on the
principle of consent.
664
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,840
Lesbian S and M is a woman's
right to say "no"
665
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,920
and her choice to say "yes".
666
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,120
DEBBIE: There was a great big
talk about the lesbian scene
667
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,480
and sexuality,
and we went down -
668
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,800
the Bell dykes and
the Chain Reaction dykes -
669
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,160
in our leather and Muir caps
670
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,200
and, you know, chains
and what have you,
671
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:34,120
and sat there clanking
away in the seats,
672
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,720
listening to people talking
about how wrong S and M was.
673
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,080
ANDERSON: Despite attempts at
sexual repression,
674
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,760
both within and outside
the gay community,
675
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,400
Chain Reaction continues
to be successful
676
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,040
because we encourage women to
explore their sexual fantasies,
677
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,400
to be themselves and to make
each other feel good.
678
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,240
We work to create an atmosphere
679
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,320
that is safe and
non-judgemental.
680
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,040
Everybody had completely
681
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,720
lost their sense of humour
by this time.
682
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,400
Lesbian dykes are being told
that they're fascist
683
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,840
and they're perverted
and they're male oriented.
684
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,520
I mean, that's
what needs to stop
685
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,880
and I think that's what
we need to talk about.
686
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,240
Linda Bellos, I think it was,
687
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:27,240
said that if she saw a black
woman with handcuffs on
688
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,440
it reminded her of slavery and
she thought that they were
689
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,400
diminishing themselves
and their ancestors.
690
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,040
And at that point, I was,
sort of,
691
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,960
getting nudged by people
sitting next to me,
692
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,560
and I stood up and I was like,
"Well, I'm black
693
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,800
"and I wear a leather jacket
and I've got chains, so..."
694
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,640
And then I sat down again.
695
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,080
So, that was my...
696
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,680
My immense contribution
to the conversation.
697
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,800
But, you know, I think even
just that little thing
698
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,560
did actually make a bit of
a difference because,
699
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,120
you know, it just showed
that you can't generalise
700
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,320
and you can't say that
701
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,560
what I believe has to be
what you believe.
702
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,480
As far as I know, my experience
of women involved
703
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,920
or defining themselves
as S and M
704
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,240
or interested in exploring
role-play and sexuality
705
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,480
in general, are absolutely
anti-racist,
706
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,200
anti-sexist, anti-fascist
and...
707
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:21,960
What we're doing, basically,
708
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,600
is trying to play with
all these symbols -
709
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,400
and they are symbols, and they
are very powerful symbols -
710
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,440
of oppression and violence,
711
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,360
as opposed to being, ourselves,
oppressive and violent.
712
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,360
It's not "anybody can do
anything to anybody
713
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,640
"whenever they like,
whether it's violent or not".
714
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,440
It's not about that.
It's a very structured thing.
715
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,040
There are certain rules
within that anarchy.
716
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,640
The issues about S and M
and lesbians really arose
717
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,080
because of arguments
within feminism.
718
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,240
And those happened
right from the '70s upwards.
719
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,360
When I came out
in the mid-'70s,
720
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,400
I felt like I was a bit of
a second-class lesbian,
721
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,120
cos I was a lesbian out of lust
and not out of politics.
722
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,640
I have quite a lot of
vanilla sex.
723
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,200
-What is vanilla sex?
-Um...
724
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,800
-What is it?
-What is it?
725
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,880
Well... I don't know. Maybe you
should define what
726
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,040
vanilla sex is, cos you say
you're a hot vanilla dyke.
727
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,280
I think it's fantastic that
you're a hot vanilla dyke.
728
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,120
..a lovely ice cream or a...
729
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,680
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
730
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:21,440
I just wanna say
one other thing...
731
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,400
CHATTER DROWNS SPEAKER
732
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,600
..attack.
733
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,440
No, I don't.
I just said to you...
734
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,520
Can we listen to
what's being said?
735
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,160
That's basically what the whole
lesbian scene was
736
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,280
around the '80s. It was a...
737
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,440
hugely homogenised
view of lesbian society,
738
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,440
in which you had to be wearing
pastel colours and dungarees
739
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,680
and going to Greenham
and wear Birkenstocks.
740
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,040
And we did not want to do that.
741
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,360
That's why we were
the rebel dykes, you know.
742
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,440
We wanted to do what
we wanted to do.
743
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,360
We came out of punk.
744
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,920
You know, we came out of
art school. We were musicians.
745
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,680
We were artists.
746
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,000
We didn't want to do,
necessarily,
747
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,440
what everyone else
wanted to do.
748
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,400
You don't look
like a bunch of dykes -
749
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,240
you look like a bunch of
poofs.
750
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,760
CHEERING
751
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,960
That kind of
"every woman can be a lesbian",
752
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,280
which started as
a political theory,
753
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,840
ended up as a kind of rule
of thumb, and then we started
754
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,160
making more and more rules
for ourselves
755
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,360
about what you had to do
to be a proper lesbian.
756
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,040
And there started to be all
these rules
757
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,000
about what you did
and didn't do in bed.
758
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,400
Penetrative sex was wrong,
and any kind of
759
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,160
dominance and submission games
were wrong.
760
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,240
Any kind of role-playing
was wrong.
761
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,440
And that's where the hatred of
SM dykes
762
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,000
by the mainstream lesbian
feminist movement came from
763
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,720
and it was never the twain
shall meet.
764
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,920
And it came out of really
genuine concerns in things
765
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,800
like Women's Aid and stuff like
that about male violence
766
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,560
but it got transmogrified into,
767
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,560
essentially,
the lesbian sex police.
768
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,920
-There was this joke
back in the day
769
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,560
that the authentic version of
lesbian sex
770
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,640
was holding hands
in 20 passionate positions.
771
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,120
Because it was the only way
that you could possibly
772
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,400
remove all inequality.
773
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:23,800
You can't go around
telling people
774
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,840
who they're allowed
to have sex with
775
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,440
or how they're allowed to
have sex.
776
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,800
LISA: I think there were quite
a lot of women
777
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,960
who got labelled S and M dykes
778
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,480
who probably did very little
S and M activity in bed.
779
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,040
But I swear a lot of people
joined in
780
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,000
cos they were having
more fun.
781
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,640
♪ Does it fuck you off
782
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,840
♪ When dykes strap on?
783
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,160
♪ "They're taking over
our clubs!"
784
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,520
♪ Does it fuck you off?
785
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,280
♪ Drag king! ♪
786
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,520
I honestly believed that we
could actually win
787
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,320
fights and battles and it was
up for grabs.
788
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,200
They were not gonna
take it from us
789
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,160
and they were not gonna tell us
what to do.
790
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,800
So I think the anti-censorship
battle
791
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,640
was one of those battles
that they weren't gonna be able
792
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,680
to tell us what we could
and couldn't read.
793
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:30,200
Particularly when it was about
our own sexuality
794
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,720
and our own identity.
795
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,280
And, unfortunately for
the radical feminists,
796
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,920
they picked the wrong side
797
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,920
when they went against
pornography
798
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,360
and they went against
people's own sexuality.
799
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,120
They were just, like,
so off message.
800
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,360
Because the bottom line was,
801
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,000
"We love women.
We really love women."
802
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,680
-Quim was a lesbian magazine
803
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:04,280
for dykes of all
sexual persuasions.
804
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,600
The first issue was
on penetration
805
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,200
and we asked questions about
806
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,320
what your experience
of penetration was.
807
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,480
Cos at the time,
it was a bit of a no-no.
808
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,080
Obviously, a lot of us
were doing it
809
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,080
but there was a whole
politics around it.
810
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,320
So we thought,
well, we'll just say,
811
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,480
"What is it for you?
How does it feel for you?"
812
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,360
And the idea was
to give everybody
813
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,240
their voice and their say.
814
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,560
When I first came out,
815
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,720
and first, you know,
816
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,840
found out about dildos,
essentially,
817
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,320
we were lucky if we could get
black rubber dildos.
818
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,200
But they always had balls
on them.
819
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:50,040
So, of course, all the lesbians
would chop off the balls.
820
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,280
And they were really quite
ugly. And then, of course,
821
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,360
you couldn't keep them held in
very well.
822
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,040
So there were always
chopped-off, lobbed-off bits.
823
00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:59,840
And then when I moved
to San Francisco,
824
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,920
my first dildo,
I bought at Good Vibrations.
825
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,400
And not very hygienic
but it was a leather one.
826
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,600
But it didn't have balls,
so it was the first one
827
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,800
we'd ever seen
that didn't have balls.
828
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,080
So that was my first one.
829
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,400
Then, of course, coming back
to London.
830
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,440
And Ky Hoyle,
who is the MD of Sh!,
831
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,280
she is also a rebel dyke
832
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,520
and Sh! was born out of this
period when we were saying,
833
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,360
"We don't wanna be dictated to
834
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,400
"about how we should
be having sex.
835
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,560
"We don't want people to tell
us what to do.
836
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:40,160
"It's women's right to decide
on their own sexuality."
837
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,520
And very much that we
don't want penises.
838
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,200
You know, we do want
penetration
839
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:47,560
but we don't want penises.
840
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,440
So, Sh! started making dildos -
841
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,680
ball-free,
un-penis-like dildos -
842
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,600
which sort of revolutionised,
really.
843
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,360
Lesbians then could actually
finally
844
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,520
get hold of things
that they wanted.
845
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,120
MUSIC: Wrapped Up In Sex
by Mouth Almighty
846
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,920
With my girlfriend at the time,
847
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,080
I ran the first mail-order
sex-toy business
848
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,160
by lesbians for women,
we always said.
849
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,920
And it was called
Thrilling Bits.
850
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,080
Which was terrific, because I
was able to stand up on a chair
851
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,600
at places like Fallen Angel
and go,
852
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,840
"I'm one of the women
with Thrilling Bits."
853
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,160
We imported terrific stuff
from San Francisco,
854
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,840
which was a bit hairy because
customs didn't like it.
855
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,880
And so, we had to name
all these things,
856
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,720
because we weren't gonna give
them the names
857
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,560
they had in the straight
catalogues,
858
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,120
which were all really sleazy.
859
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,560
So we named them
after famous lesbians
860
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,120
or women we thought ought
to be lesbians, were icons.
861
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,480
So, we had a Dusty.
We had other things like that.
862
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,200
And our sense of humour
got the better of us again.
863
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:58,320
And so we called our smallest,
864
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,920
most inoffensive vibrator
865
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,280
the Sheila,
after Sheila Jeffreys,
866
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,600
a radical feminist separatist,
who went through the roof.
867
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,480
One of the things we sold -
and we sold quite a lot of -
868
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,040
were dental dams, and they were
actually squares of latex
869
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,640
and you were supposed to
use them for cunnilingus.
870
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,680
So if you were going down on
your girlfriend,
871
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:23,520
you would put this between
you and her
872
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,520
and it was the equivalent
of a condom,
873
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,000
except they were thicker than
condoms,
874
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,360
they used to come covered
in medical talcum powder,
875
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,800
so you had to wash them
before you went anywhere.
876
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,440
People tried to manufacture,
sort of,
877
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,440
little harnesses for them, like
those things you used to have
878
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,760
with sanitary towels
in the '60s.
879
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,880
It was these strange harnesses.
880
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,320
People tried
all those things
881
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,880
but it was completely
pointless,
882
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,760
cos it's very, very, very
difficult indeed
883
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,320
to pass HIV
through cunnilingus.
884
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,800
But we weren't entirely
certain about that at the time.
885
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,040
Like, people used to put them
886
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,440
on their coffee tables
as discussion.
887
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,000
I was actually running this
business at the same time
888
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,680
that I was helping to found
the Stonewall Group,
889
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:09,280
as we called it then -
Stonewall now.
890
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,440
And we would have
meetings in my living room
891
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,240
and I remember one time, we'd
just had a shipment of stuff
892
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,320
from America and we got out
the dental dams
893
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,160
and the lesbian-porn
magazines -
894
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,960
On Our Backs
and all that stuff -
895
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,120
and showed it
to everyone who was there.
896
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,560
And Stonewall was mixed -
lesbian and gay -
897
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,440
and I remember the group
passed this dental dam around,
898
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,040
pretty much in two fingers
from one to the other.
899
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,760
And, God bless him,
Ian McKellen looked at it,
900
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,440
stretched it, pulled it about
and went, "May I?"
901
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,680
"Do what you like with it."
He just pulled it to his mouth
902
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:41,240
and stuck his tongue
through it,
903
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,560
and experimented with how it
would actually be to use it.
904
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,040
And I just thought, "Oh, God,
905
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,080
"I wish I had a camera
at the moment."
906
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,920
You know, one of our great
stage actors
907
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,400
having fun with a dental dam.
908
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:13,360
I had started photographing
queer dyke life in 1982.
909
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,240
Love Bites was created by a
kind of sexual performativity.
910
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,600
Instead of performing what was
actually going on in the clubs,
911
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,440
because we all wanted that to
be a safe and private space,
912
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,240
instead, we kind of created
sexual happenings.
913
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,120
We created, like, a lot of
interest and intrigue
914
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,200
in what we were doing, and we
were performing for each other.
915
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:44,040
At the time,
the sex wars were raging.
916
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,160
They were trying to exclude us.
917
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,160
The radical lesbian separatists
did still have
918
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,320
quite a lot of power
at that time.
919
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,680
SOPHIE: Many book shops
wouldn't stock it
920
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:02,280
because they thought
it wasn't feminist.
921
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,840
And our argument was that we
were women
922
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,200
and this was our lives
and we were feminists,
923
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,360
and we may be experimenting
with sexuality
924
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,720
but that did not mean
we weren't feminists.
925
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,960
When Love Bites came out
in 1991,
926
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,240
they successfully excluded
Love Bites
927
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,600
from gay-and-lesbian
book shops -
928
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,800
in Silver Moon,
Sisterwrite and Gay's The Word.
929
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,560
When the book shop was opened,
930
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,760
we were a lesbian, gay,
feminist book shop.
931
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,000
It was different from gay
book shops in the past,
932
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,640
which were book shops for men,
933
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,200
where they could go and get
erotic material.
934
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:46,040
And this was a book shop
set up by socialists
935
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,480
and it was about ideas.
936
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,680
So, gay politics and biography
and history and coming out.
937
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,600
And it wasn't about selling
erotic magazines
938
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,160
and we didn't sell them.
939
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,880
You have to remember,
this was also the era
940
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,000
when Gay's The Word book shop
in London
941
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,920
was raided and seized.
942
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,640
The case eventually
collapsed in court
943
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,600
but the police were trying to
say things like
944
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,360
The Joy Of Lesbian Sex was
inherently pornographic
945
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,680
and things like that.
946
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:14,000
Stuff that would not have
been pornographic
947
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,400
amongst heterosexuals
was definitely pornographic
948
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:17,880
if it was lesbian.
949
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,280
On Our Backs was a lesbian
publication from San Francisco
950
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,480
and it was essentially
mostly soft -
951
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,640
a little bit, occasionally,
of hard - porn for lesbians.
952
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,480
On Our Backs was definitely
a banned publication.
953
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,040
I started as
photographic assistant
954
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,520
and I went in there, sort of,
955
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,440
on this mission to kind of
change the look of it a bit.
956
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,160
I felt like...
957
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,200
the style of the photographs
and the women
958
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:52,600
was a bit old school and I
wanted to, kind of, you know,
959
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,760
get the newer, younger
generation
960
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,640
that was out there involved.
961
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,360
LISA: It featured, actually,
962
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,240
some of the English S and M
dykes,
963
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,680
and it was run partly by
English women
964
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:05,160
who'd gone out to
San Francisco.
965
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,560
And that's where I first
met my London dykes, actually,
966
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:13,800
and it was very early on in
my employment there.
967
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,960
And I first met, er,
968
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,840
Seija from Finland.
969
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,640
She came into the office
one day
970
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,000
and she had with her
Baya and Aphra.
971
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,040
And I saw these women and I was
just kind of like,
972
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,400
"Whoosh! Who are they?
973
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,280
"OK. Pictures. I want to take
pictures with them."
974
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,840
I was, at the time, still back
and forth between here
975
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,640
and San Francisco
and I still had On Our Backs.
976
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,600
So I was working with
Del La Grace.
977
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,120
I love worked on Love Bites.
978
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,600
I'd met Del in San Francisco
979
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,600
and I interviewed Del for
On Our Backs.
980
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,760
We became really good friends
981
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,280
and we've worked together
ever since.
982
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,840
JIM: One of the books that we
didn't stock at the start
983
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,520
was Love Bites
when it came out.
984
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,240
We were worried about it
and we took legal advice -
985
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:11,760
we had a big meeting about it.
986
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,800
Cos there were a number
of images in the book
987
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,920
that we thought could make us
liable to prosecution.
988
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,120
But I have to say, Sisterwrite,
989
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,520
which was the women-of-colour
book shops,
990
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,120
were the only ones who were
honest enough to say,
991
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,560
"We disapprove of the content.
992
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,400
"We do not support, you know,
lesbian SM."
993
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,120
And we did this whole
performance march
994
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,160
against the censorship
of Love Bites.
995
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:43,640
I wasn't too worried about the
obscene-publications squad.
996
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,120
There was all sorts of rules,
archaic rules,
997
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,760
you know, to do with how erect
a dildo can be.
998
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,120
It can only be... It has to be
less than 45 degrees.
999
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,960
Really weird stuff.
1000
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,480
I didn't expect to find myself
in court
1001
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,680
for an over-45-degree dildo.
1002
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,200
It was an awful distraction,
all of that stuff,
1003
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:12,440
because, really, we wanted just
to get on with the creativity -
1004
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,560
exploring of
what we were doing.
1005
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,520
FISCH: And I think that started
the realisation that this was
1006
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,240
a backlash against people
for their sexuality.
1007
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,760
There was always this attempt
to silence.
1008
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,160
The Aids activism was...
1009
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,000
"Silence equals death" was one
of the slogans that we used,
1010
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,040
because nobody recognised us
1011
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,440
as a community
1012
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,080
and having a voice at all.
1013
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:50,040
-Act Up is the Aids Coalition
to Unleash Power
1014
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,680
and it's an Aids activist
group, which I got involved in
1015
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:57,080
after going to the '87
march on Washington
1016
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,040
and seeing the Names Project
be unfolded
1017
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,720
and just standing there
for hours,
1018
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,360
hearing name after name
after name.
1019
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,160
In Act Up, we wanted to talk
about women and Aids.
1020
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,120
One of the things that was
happening on the women's scene,
1021
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,120
on the dyke scene, is that
there was becoming a, sort of,
1022
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,400
faction that was saying,
1023
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,240
"Well, you know, we're
lesbians - we don't get Aids,"
1024
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,200
who became very judgemental.
1025
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,200
And so we needed to talk
about behaviour -
1026
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,000
that the virus was, you know,
1027
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,840
passed by behaviour and not
by identity, you know.
1028
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,880
It was great, because it really
did get people
1029
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,160
talking about
the nuts and bolts of,
1030
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,160
you know, what we did.
1031
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,840
You know, lesbians use
IV drugs.
1032
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,680
Lesbians are strippers
and sex workers.
1033
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,200
Erm...
1034
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,840
And something that very
few people talk about, but...
1035
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,880
lesbians sometimes
sleep with gay men.
1036
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,600
And, you know, with men.
But also with gay men.
1037
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,760
The proximity - um...
1038
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,840
And in those days, you know,
drugs, party -
1039
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,720
you know, things happen.
1040
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,360
But I think particularly with
sex workers it was an issue,
1041
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,240
because there was...
1042
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,160
From one faction, there was
this whole attitude that,
1043
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,440
you know, if you slept with men
in any way, shape or form,
1044
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,200
you were not a lesbian.
1045
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,000
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1046
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,120
Up until then, lesbians are not
seen as particularly activist
1047
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,480
and the gay-male scene was
split between activist gays,
1048
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,560
who all wore loads of badges
and did gay volunteering
1049
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,680
work for Switchboard or Friend
or whatever,
1050
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,440
and scene queens who went to
Heaven and all those things,
1051
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,360
and none of the groups
got together.
1052
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,440
And lesbians didn't mix
much with gay men
1053
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,640
and the two types of gay men
didn't mix much.
1054
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,600
Section 28, as well as HIV,
brought us all together.
1055
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,000
CHEERING
1056
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,240
Section 28 of the
Local Government Act
1057
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,520
said that local authorities
were not allowed
1058
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:03,000
to promote homosexuality as
a pretend family relationship.
1059
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,640
And these are
the sort of things
1060
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,960
that made us rebel dykes.
It wasn't we just woke up
1061
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,040
one morning and goes,
"Oh, let's be rebels."
1062
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,480
We actually had things
to rebel against.
1063
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:18,520
My girlfriend in the late '70s,
early '80s -
1064
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,920
she'd left her husband to come
and live with me
1065
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,320
and brought her baby.
1066
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,520
He took the baby
and he never came back.
1067
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,640
And we were both very
distraught.
1068
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,280
Like, "What's going on?"
1069
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,280
This solicitor who we hired
took the case to court
1070
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,280
and the judge ruled
in his favour
1071
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,040
because we were lesbians!
1072
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,720
That's why we were rebels.
1073
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,120
Children who need to be
taught to respect
1074
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,440
traditional moral values
1075
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:52,440
are being taught that they have
an inalienable right to be gay.
1076
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,320
-To have Margaret Thatcher's
government come up with an idea
1077
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,320
that your relationships
were pretend
1078
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,240
and that you should be
silenced,
1079
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,160
you shouldn't be
allowed to be spoken of -
1080
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,560
it was a really
outraging feeling.
1081
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,200
It was, you know,
quite celebratory in the '80s.
1082
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,320
There was a lot of fun and
pleasure in it
1083
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,360
and we'd moved on a lot,
I think, from the kind of
1084
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,120
'50s or '60s sense of people
feeling a bit apologetic
1085
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,800
about their sexuality,
to feeling great about it.
1086
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,480
Hi! We're all gay -
it's great, innit?
1087
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,440
LAUGHTER
1088
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,400
We went on a lot of matches
against clause 28.
1089
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,560
It was horrifying, because I
had so recently been at school
1090
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,160
and then clause 28 was coming
to really stop even teachers
1091
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,960
being able to respond to
a child
1092
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,840
who might be in real danger.
1093
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,400
Even if you've got nice
parents, it's hard to come out.
1094
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,720
So a teacher is
the next port of call
1095
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,920
and they weren't allowed
to even listen
1096
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,240
or even respond in
any positive way.
1097
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,400
It was just hor...
We knew that it was dangerous.
1098
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,880
We knew already that
people killed themselves
1099
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,920
because they needed
to come out.
1100
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,480
And then the government was
telling teachers
1101
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:07,960
that they can't be themselves.
1102
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,400
It's relationships.
1103
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,560
You can't start
by being covered up
1104
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,640
and being restricted
and being scared.
1105
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,280
-It was quite
a pernicious idea
1106
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,560
within this
Local Government Act
1107
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,320
that the promotion of
homosexuality
1108
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,280
should be outlawed in schools.
1109
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:30,120
And in particular that schools
should not be able to teach
1110
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,000
what they called a pretended
family relationship -
1111
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,840
that having two lesbian
mothers, for instance,
1112
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,200
was actually a family,
1113
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,080
but they were saying
that's not a real family.
1114
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,240
It felt like it was mainly
gay people fighting it.
1115
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,080
There were straight people
fighting it
1116
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,600
but I didn't feel like the
media was supporting the fight.
1117
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,800
Erm...
1118
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,040
Yeah, it felt quite scary,
1119
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,200
like that we weren't going to
win.
1120
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,680
We were talking to ourselves
by the '80s.
1121
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,360
We were completely
self-referential,
1122
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,400
internal looking. We weren't
capable
1123
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,400
of talking to anybody
we didn't agree with.
1124
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,680
We weren't capable of
the grand gesture
1125
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,320
and the thing that happened
with Section 28
1126
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,240
and the abseilers was that the
grand gesture came back
1127
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,120
and the grand gesture came back
led by lesbians.
1128
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,960
SUSANNAH: And I think for us,
that came very naturally.
1129
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,040
That was the kind of...
I think, part of, in a way,
1130
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,760
the training camp that Greenham
Common was for activist women
1131
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,760
and for activist dykes
at that time.
1132
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,080
Greenham was very much
about that,
1133
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,880
about doing physical things -
1134
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,640
cutting fences, blockading,
entering the USAF base,
1135
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,360
pushing at boundaries and
stepping over boundaries
1136
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,320
and making quite symbolic
actions that, you know,
1137
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,920
were headline grabbing as well.
1138
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,560
We were quite conscious of
that - the way to use the media
1139
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,520
and grab headlines in that way.
1140
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,920
It was actually loads and loads
of women who'd never been
1141
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,400
seen before, absolutely
livid at this legislation.
1142
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,680
SUSANNAH: We had a meeting at
my flat in Clapham
1143
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,160
to talk about direct action
1144
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,720
and where we wanted to
go with it next.
1145
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,400
There was a debate in the
House of Lords coming up
1146
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,760
and the first idea we had was
a bit more ambitious -
1147
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,240
we wanted to hijack a boat and
board the Palace of Westminster
1148
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,000
from the river, sort of
storm it from the river.
1149
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,280
And, you know, we were
seriously talking this through
1150
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,040
but there was issues of
the tide times
1151
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,280
and where we were going to get
this boat and everything,
1152
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,800
so it was maybe a
little bit ambitious.
1153
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,240
And then I think we were...
1154
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,920
I think the TV might have
been on.
1155
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,240
We were reminded of the way
the House of Lords is, where
1156
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,240
there's the public gallery
above where the lords sit.
1157
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,720
And so, we had this idea
of abseiling in, or sliding in.
1158
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,120
A couple of people went...
Sally and Janet, I think,
1159
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,480
went up Clapham High Street
1160
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,480
and bought a couple of
washing lines,
1161
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,280
and we kind of chopped those
into four
1162
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:43,920
and then we wrapped them...
1163
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,520
Like, four of us had them
under our jumpers
1164
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:47,960
or whatever,
wrapped around us.
1165
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,840
We were queueing to get into
the House of Lords
1166
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,280
for this debate, so Paula was
kind of shouting out,
1167
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,120
"Are you a lord?
Are you a lord?
1168
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,280
"Can you sign us in as a guest
1169
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,120
"to come into your guest
gallery?" And before too long,
1170
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,640
one guy said,
"Yes, OK, I'll take you in."
1171
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,680
So, he signed in
four or five of us
1172
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,720
and we went into this side
gallery, which was lucky,
1173
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,400
actually, because the visitors'
gallery is significantly lower
1174
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:10,760
than the public gallery.
1175
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,080
So, we were sitting there and
the debate was going on
1176
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,600
and I can't... You know,
it's a very adrenaline-y thing.
1177
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,680
I can't honestly remember
much about it now.
1178
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,520
But got these ropes out,
tied them to
1179
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,160
the little wrought-iron balcony
and pitched over.
1180
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,680
I kind of got rope burns
going down this nylon thing
1181
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,920
very badly to the floor,
1182
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,320
and then other friends who were
in the public gallery
1183
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,200
were shouting and, you know,
kicking off and everything.
1184
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,400
Their security moved
quite quickly.
1185
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,760
They held us in there for
a good number of hours.
1186
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,680
We didn't get
charged with anything at all.
1187
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,640
They could have
charges within their own bylaws
1188
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,120
but I think they just thought,
"Let's get rid of them."
1189
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,840
And this actually caused
a huge stir, because it was
1190
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,520
the first time that a lot of
gay men had seen lesbians
1191
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,440
involved in direct action
1192
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,360
and doing something
that was for everybody.
1193
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,680
It was lesbians who became
the outrageous activists.
1194
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,600
SUSANNAH: The invasion of
the Six O'Clock News at the BBC
1195
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,520
was another high-profile action
that we did.
1196
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,480
I didn't actually go in there
but I was, kind of,
1197
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,120
involved in
the thinking about it.
1198
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,520
Red and Stella in particular,
who'd been on the abseiling,
1199
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,360
and then various other dykes
1200
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,760
who hadn't been on
the abseiling
1201
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,160
but were really, really keen
to do some more direct action
1202
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,720
around Clause 28, came together
in a new group
1203
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,600
for activists
and we started to plan.
1204
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,560
It was helped by the fact that
one of the dykes
1205
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,720
had a friend who worked,
I think, as a runner in the BBC
1206
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,400
and passed us a floor plan,
1207
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,520
so that they had an idea of
where the studio actually was
1208
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,640
in this massive TV Centre.
1209
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,640
There was quite a lot of
hair-raising bits
1210
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,880
of being on completely
the wrong floor.
1211
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,840
I seem to remember they had to,
sort of,
1212
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,200
lock themselves in the toilet
for quite a long time.
1213
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:57,880
They were a bit more
organised this time -
1214
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,800
they had T-shirts with
"stop the clause" on.
1215
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,480
I think they had to go and
strip off
1216
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,440
and get their T-shirts
in place.
1217
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,760
But, anyway, they kind of
pulled it together, as we know,
1218
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,880
cos we do have the film
footage of that.
1219
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,160
And they got into this studio
and padlocked themselves
1220
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:14,680
to the bottom of the desk,
1221
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,560
which is why they couldn't
so easily get rid of them,
1222
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,560
and you could hear
these muffled voices
1223
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:20,720
from under the desk.
1224
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,800
The Six O'Clock News from
the BBC,
1225
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,320
with Sue Lawley and
Nicholas Witchell.
1226
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,440
Good evening.
The headlines at six o'clock...
1227
01:08:31,480 --> 01:08:34,040
In the House of Lords,
a vote is taking place now
1228
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,280
on a challenge to the poll tax.
Tory rebels have said...
1229
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,320
-This is about rights
for lesbian and gay people.
1230
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:39,800
-..the tax is unfair
and unpopular.
1231
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,480
-Stop Section 28.
-And I do apologise
1232
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,600
if you're hearing quite a lot
of noise in the studio.
1233
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,640
-Stop the clause.
-I'm afraid that we have rather
1234
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,720
been invaded by some people
that we hope
1235
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,480
to be removing shortly.
1236
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:50,840
In the meantime...
1237
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,000
And Sue Lawley holding it
together very well.
1238
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,720
I think we all have to agree
she did a masterful job there,
1239
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,040
whereas Nicholas Witchell,
1240
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,160
who then went on to be
the royal correspondent,
1241
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:00,920
you know, he got stuck in
off-camera...
1242
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,280
Get off me, you arsewipe.
Stop section 28!
1243
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:04,960
Stop section 28!
1244
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,920
..helping the security guards
to squash them
1245
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,240
and get on top of them.
1246
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,760
-And direct action
is important.
1247
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,920
With one thing done by half
a dozen people,
1248
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,080
you can be on
the Nine O'Clock News
1249
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,000
and reach the whole country,
1250
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,280
and make a point.
1251
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,120
And, you know,
sometimes it doesn't work,
1252
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,880
but when it really works,
by God it works.
1253
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,760
And it was horrific and yet,
looking back, it was the thing
1254
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,280
that brought us all together
and founded
1255
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,360
what has since become one of
the most successful
1256
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,280
lesbian and gay movements
in the world.
1257
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,280
Because it really pissed
a lot of people off.
1258
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,040
People really became aware of
how oppressive
1259
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,160
the Tory government
were becoming.
1260
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,080
Lots of people came out
and said, "This is not on."
1261
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:01,680
Then there was far
more marches,
1262
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:02,920
far more demonstrating,
1263
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,640
and it became very hardcore
with the police.
1264
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,800
And round the same period
was the poll-tax riot.
1265
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,120
We were pretty much doing
a riot a week, I think,
1266
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,800
at some points. There was a lot
going on
1267
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,800
where we were protesting
and agitating, really.
1268
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,920
About 1990, I kind of got
bored of the party lifestyle.
1269
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,640
You know, I wanted to do
something,
1270
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,280
yeah, bit more challenging.
I mean, it was fun
1271
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,160
but I just got bored of it.
You know, we didn't have...
1272
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,760
You can't do the same things
for years on end.
1273
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,560
ROZ: I moved on.
1274
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,520
There was a point where
I dropped out of
1275
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,440
the Chain Reaction collective.
1276
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,000
DEL: She was pretty much
excluded - not exactly
1277
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:15,600
for being trans but that was
a factor that was used.
1278
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,520
It was weird because, like,
nobody would actually say
1279
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,600
what I'd done and most people
just got the idea
1280
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,680
I'd done something
and it was awful.
1281
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,560
Maybe Roz slept with
the wrong person.
1282
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,800
In the end, all of the fights
1283
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,160
and the debates within feminism
absolutely got me down
1284
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,000
and in the end, I left London
because it just did my head in.
1285
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,200
I tried to find a squat in
Amsterdam.
1286
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,120
It was fucking freezing.
1287
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,040
Every day, I would take
an acid tab.
1288
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,440
I just lived in this completely
psychedelic, fucked-up world.
1289
01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:58,160
I ended up getting arrested
on some demonstration.
1290
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,760
I still, to this day,
don't know
1291
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,680
what the demonstration
was even for.
1292
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,760
And it was actually during
those three days
1293
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,360
in the police station when I,
sort of, detoxed off drugs
1294
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,480
and realised this wasn't
a very good idea.
1295
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,040
MAJ: After being a traveller
for about a year,
1296
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:18,280
which didn't really work,
1297
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,560
I found myself in
Women Only Space.
1298
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,120
So, it's a rural women-only
community.
1299
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,320
It was bought and paid for by
some of the women
1300
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,000
coming from Greenham.
1301
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,760
I don't want to say
exactly where it is,
1302
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,960
because it's
kind of like a women's refuge.
1303
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,920
People went on and became
famous artists,
1304
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:44,240
famous film-makers,
1305
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:48,080
lecturers, journalists,
barristers, nurses.
1306
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:49,440
All sorts of things.
1307
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,000
DEBBIE: A few months after
Mouth Almighty split,
1308
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,560
I actually got my first job
1309
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,600
as an indie guitarist with
the band Curve.
1310
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,520
I saw them
on the telly on the Monday,
1311
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,640
answered the advert on
the Wednesday.
1312
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,120
I went to the audition
on the Friday
1313
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,040
and was in the band by
tea-time. So, that was good.
1314
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,240
ROCK MUSIC PLAYS
1315
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,280
At least, I hope that nowadays
for young people
1316
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,760
it's much easier to be
what they are.
1317
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:49,000
And I think it's taken these
30 years to develop,
1318
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,080
that people can start feeling
more comfortable
1319
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,680
in the way they feel inside.
1320
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,360
YVONNE: I'm about to start
a new club,
1321
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,120
which is about
all women welcome.
1322
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,360
It means queer folks,
it means non-binary.
1323
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,760
You know, when I hear
my nieces and nephews
1324
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,720
talk about their experiences
1325
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,280
with gay and lesbian
young kids...
1326
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,480
..that's when I kind of go,
"We've moved on."
1327
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,640
The trouble is that we've gone
so far into the mainstream
1328
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,800
and we're so respectable now
1329
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,000
that we're losing all our sharp
edges and we're losing
1330
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:33,240
our ability to be the rebels.
1331
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,120
MUSIC PLAYS, WHISTLES BLOW
1332
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:49,440
One thing I find most
amusing is about SM,
1333
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:53,000
because it was very secretive
in the '80s.
1334
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,160
And it's taken all
these 30 years to become
1335
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:01,160
something, like,
of a normal thing.
1336
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,600
And now you see these books
like 50 Shades Of Grey
1337
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,040
and it's a normal thing.
1338
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:07,320
You know, anybody does it
1339
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,440
and they discuss it
in the workplace.
1340
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,440
I can have sex in private now
and still enjoy myself!
1341
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,080
Yeah, and in the end,
it isn't two groups, is it?
1342
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,040
-No groups are homogeneous.
-No.
1343
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,240
But the thing about us
as SM dykes
1344
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,600
was that we were ostracised
from the lesbian community,
1345
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,360
and so we formed a family
around that.
1346
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,600
And, you know, 30 years later,
we're still friends
1347
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,680
because there were
so very few of us
1348
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,560
that felt we were really
interested in sex
1349
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,760
and being positive about sex.
1350
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,680
SEIJA: It was like
a real energy
1351
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,760
of what people had they
wanted to say
1352
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,000
and they wanted to explore.
1353
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:01,680
And that's maybe why it
continued after the clubs
1354
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,160
and after the movement,
1355
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:07,080
that people took it in their
lives and they continued.
1356
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,800
Every Tuesday, we took over
a gay men's club in Vauxhall.
1357
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:22,200
We started the UK's first ever
lesbian S and M night,
1358
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:23,720
Chain Reaction.
1359
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,080
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1360
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:26,680
Yay!
1361
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,200
We wanted what the gay men
had access to -
1362
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,480
places to have sex.
1363
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,800
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1364
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,040
ROCK MUSIC PLAYS
1365
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,640
The show I'm doing now
is my perspective
1366
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:03,520
of gay pride from the viewpoint
of a rebel dyke.
1367
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,680
There's that whole
thing of just being...
1368
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,000
Always challenging,
always challenging the norm,
1369
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:10,760
challenging what's expected,
1370
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,520
and getting power from
doing something else.
1371
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,680
And, you know, I've been called
"sir" my whole life!
1372
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,400
And so I thought, "OK, I could
probably be a drag king again."
1373
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:24,080
Funnily enough, the drag-king
community very much reminds me
1374
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:25,760
of the rebel dyke community,
1375
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,400
because we're a minority and
we've got each other's backs
1376
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,920
and that's a really, really
lovely feeling.
1377
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,480
MUSIC: Remember Me
by Mouth Almighty
1378
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,080
YVONNE: We, as older lesbians,
1379
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:59,040
have paved the way so younger
people can come along and have,
1380
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,200
kind of, like, the freedom
that they've got now.
1381
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,920
Not that most of us have
any clue...
1382
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,640
In the same way I have no clue
about all the previous,
1383
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,760
you know, older lesbians
that had gone before me.
1384
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,480
It's very necessary that
this story gets told,
1385
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,440
because we all stand on
the shoulders of giants.
1386
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:16,720
And if the women hadn't
started Gateways,
1387
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,760
we would never have
started Chain Reaction.
1388
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,640
But this story has been,
so far, unsaid.
1389
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,920
So I'm very happy that it's
finally been documented.
1390
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,800
MUSIC: Skirt
by Nightnurse
1391
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,280
LISA: I don't want to be
a straight gay,
1392
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,240
which is how we used to
refer to people like that
1393
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,000
in the '80s. For me,
1394
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,840
the whole point of
gay liberation,
1395
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,600
the whole point of coming out,
1396
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,480
is to come out as yourself.
1397
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,200
Whatever that is, wherever it
leads you,
1398
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:18,720
you should be yourself.
1399
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,680
And rebel dykes in the '80s
did that at a time
1400
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,480
when there were really
far too many people,
1401
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,000
both inside the movement
and in the general public,
1402
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,800
all trying to tell us
how to behave.
1403
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,120
DEBBIE: And, you know, we had
to fight long and hard
1404
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,440
to find our place
but, you know, we did.
1405
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:38,280
I mean, look at
lesbian society now.
1406
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,440
That's cos we did that.
1407
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:42,600
We did that. Be thankful.
1408
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,760
♪ I met a girl
and she didn't have a heart
1409
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:05,240
♪ But I never really found out
till the morning
1410
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,280
♪ I let her take me home
1411
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,000
♪ Even though I knew the signs
1412
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:14,120
♪ I know it wasn't smart
but I'm not sorry
1413
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:21,720
♪ What can you do
with a girl that has no heart?
1414
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:26,280
♪ We kept each other up
until the morning
1415
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,440
♪ So, even though I knew
1416
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:31,160
♪ She was trouble
from the start
1417
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:36,000
♪ I stayed another night
and I'm still yawning
1418
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,720
♪ Having no heart
1419
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,800
♪ You never need to care
1420
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,560
♪ You don't have to satisfy
1421
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,800
♪ It is the ones
1422
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,440
♪ You know you'll never have
1423
01:20:53,480 --> 01:20:57,840
♪ You always want too much
1424
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,040
♪ End of story
1425
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:04,720
♪ I met a girl
1426
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,520
♪ She never had much time
1427
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,800
♪ She always had to rush out
in the morning
1428
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,960
♪ So, even though I knew
1429
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,760
♪ We were a million
worlds apart
1430
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,800
♪ I stayed another month
but I'm not sorry
1431
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,960
♪ Having no time
1432
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,400
♪ You never need to care
1433
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:32,880
♪ You don't have to justify
1434
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,360
♪ It is the ones
1435
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,680
♪ You know you'll never have
1436
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:43,200
♪ You always want too much
1437
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,760
♪ End of story
1438
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:54,000
♪ You can have it all
1439
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:58,840
♪ Practising freefall
1440
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,520
♪ Then you pay the toll
1441
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:08,160
♪ In the morning
1442
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,240
♪ Having no heart
1443
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,640
♪ You never need to care
1444
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,560
♪ You don't have to satisfy
1445
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,560
♪ It is the ones
1446
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,080
♪ You know you'll never have
1447
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:47,480
♪ You always want too much
1448
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,360
♪ End of story
1449
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,720
♪ I met a girl
1450
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,360
♪ She never had a heart
1451
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:01,360
♪ I should have known it
from the start
1452
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,560
♪ We were a million
worlds apart
1453
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:10,560
♪ Well, I know it wasn't smart
1454
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,040
♪ But I'm not
1455
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:14,640
♪ Sorry. ♪
1456
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,480
MUSIC: Trouble by
the Well Oiled Sisters
1457
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,680
♪ You don't know
the trouble I'm in
1458
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,520
♪ And you don't know
the trouble I've seen
1459
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,560
♪ Talking to myself
1460
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,280
♪ I'll drink to kill the pain
1461
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,880
♪ Knowing in my heart
that I won't see you again
1462
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,080
♪ I'm in trouble
1463
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,080
♪ I'm in trouble
1464
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:40,040
♪ So, please come home
1465
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,760
♪ Please come home
1466
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:48,280
♪ Please come home
1467
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,920
♪ I'm in trouble
1468
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,040
♪ I'm in trouble
1469
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,280
♪ You're so cold
1470
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,400
♪ You can't meet my eye
1471
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,640
♪ You laugh too loud
1472
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,160
♪ You calculate and lie
1473
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,280
♪ Looking at the stars
1474
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,560
♪ I'm waiting for a sign
1475
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:16,400
♪ If I don't lose my nerve
1476
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:18,640
♪ Then I'm gonna lose my mind
1477
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:20,560
♪ I'm in trouble
1478
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,120
♪ I'm in trouble
1479
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,960
♪ So, please come home
1480
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,040
♪ Please come home
1481
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,960
♪ Please come home
1482
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,720
♪ I'm in trouble
1483
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,960
♪ I'm in trouble
1484
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:14,440
♪ You don't know
the trouble I'm in
1485
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:21,120
♪ And you don't know
the trouble I've seen
1486
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,520
♪ Living in the past
1487
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,840
♪ I'm thinking about us
1488
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,720
♪ Counting out my change
1489
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,600
♪ And I'm getting on that bus
1490
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:33,360
♪ I'm in trouble
1491
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,680
♪ I'm in trouble
1492
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:43,520
♪ So, please come home
1493
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,040
♪ Please come home
1494
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:53,240
♪ Please come home
1495
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,760
♪ I'm in trouble
1496
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:02,120
♪ Yeah, please come home
1497
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,600
♪ Please come home
1498
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:12,480
♪ Please come home
1499
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,160
♪ I'm in trouble
1500
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,440
♪ I'm in trouble
1501
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,440
♪ I'm in trouble
1502
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,680
♪ I'm in trouble. ♪
1503
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,480
MUSIC: Remember Me
by Mouth Almighty
1504
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,760
♪ Well, your love left much
to be desired
1505
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,880
♪ You were everything
but not enough
1506
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,240
♪ Each tear you shed
is just another lie
1507
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,920
♪ Behind each smile, a sullen
scowl
1508
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,960
♪ Remember me, remember me
1509
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,880
♪ Won't you remember me
1510
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:37,480
♪ Oh, remember me, remember me
1511
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,760
♪ Won't you remember me
1512
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,040
♪ The lies you told
to pass the time
1513
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,720
♪ Well, I became accustomed to
1514
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,480
♪ But I no longer
need your closeness
1515
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:55,080
♪ You ripped
the wellness from my soul
1516
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,880
♪ Remember me, remember me
1517
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,800
♪ Won't you remember me
1518
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:06,320
♪ Oh, remember me, remember me
1519
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,120
♪ Won't you remember me
1520
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,960
♪ Don't call me
or call, call around
1521
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,680
♪ To say you've seen
the inner void
1522
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:03,240
♪ And leave with your
dead-hearted smile
1523
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,000
♪ Another while
1524
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:06,640
♪ Just a little bit more
1525
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:11,160
♪ Oh, remember me, remember me
1526
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:13,760
♪ Won't you remember me
1527
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:18,200
♪ Oh, remember me, remember me
1528
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,880
♪ Won't you remember me
1529
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:25,560
♪ Oh, remember me, remember me
1530
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,240
♪ Won't you remember me
1531
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:32,720
♪ Oh, remember me, remember me
1532
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:36,240
♪ Won't you remember. ♪
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