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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,745 --> 00:00:09,792 -[fire hissing] -[alarm beeping] 2 00:00:11,924 --> 00:00:14,231 [soft tense music] 3 00:00:14,275 --> 00:00:15,928 [reporter] Showing you lower Manhattan and everything, 4 00:00:15,972 --> 00:00:17,800 it's actually in pretty good shape now 5 00:00:17,843 --> 00:00:22,022 as we work into clear, but for us, bright sunny skies. 6 00:00:22,065 --> 00:00:25,068 [music continues] 7 00:00:26,026 --> 00:00:28,028 65 degrees at seven o'clock in the morning 8 00:00:28,071 --> 00:00:30,030 and sunny and pleasant for the rest of the day. 9 00:00:33,946 --> 00:00:35,905 80 degrees, it's kind of a guilty pleasure, 10 00:00:35,948 --> 00:00:37,689 as beautiful as this weather is going to be. 11 00:00:37,733 --> 00:00:39,169 The five-day-- Yeah, look at this. 12 00:00:39,213 --> 00:00:41,128 78 degrees on Wednesday. 13 00:00:41,171 --> 00:00:43,086 Thursday, I think I'm even over-done with the clouds there, 14 00:00:43,130 --> 00:00:44,696 I think it turns out to be a little bit nicer. 15 00:00:44,740 --> 00:00:46,350 Friday, very nice. 16 00:00:46,394 --> 00:00:48,657 Saturday, beautiful, cool, pleasant days. 17 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:51,834 [anticipatory music continues] 18 00:00:57,709 --> 00:00:59,798 [anticipatory music muffled] 19 00:01:02,105 --> 00:01:03,585 [fire roaring] 20 00:01:06,022 --> 00:01:07,067 [roaring ends] 21 00:01:17,903 --> 00:01:19,644 -... what do you see? -I can't see, either. 22 00:01:19,688 --> 00:01:21,124 I don't know what you see, I don't know. 23 00:01:21,168 --> 00:01:22,473 You don't even know how much of the building-- 24 00:01:22,517 --> 00:01:24,127 No. No, I don't. 25 00:01:24,171 --> 00:01:25,998 We're going now, to assess the condition. 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,567 [reporter] We are dealing purely in the realm of speculation here 27 00:01:29,611 --> 00:01:29,915 as to what may have happened at the World Trade Center. 28 00:01:32,048 --> 00:01:33,919 -[clicking] -[soft tense music] 29 00:01:34,398 --> 00:01:37,053 [reporter] Obviously, a major incident occurred here, 30 00:01:37,097 --> 00:01:40,361 on the upper floors of one of the World Trade Center towers. 31 00:01:40,404 --> 00:01:43,581 [buzzing] 32 00:01:45,279 --> 00:01:47,281 [Elmes] And when my dad woke me up that morning of 33 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:49,413 September 11th, 2001, 34 00:01:49,457 --> 00:01:51,154 the first plane had gone into the building 35 00:01:51,198 --> 00:01:52,590 and then I watched the second one go through. 36 00:01:54,244 --> 00:01:54,723 [reporter 2] It does not appear that there's any kind of-- 37 00:01:54,766 --> 00:01:55,854 Oh my God! 38 00:01:55,898 --> 00:01:57,987 -[man] Oh God! -[woman] My God! 39 00:01:58,030 --> 00:01:59,771 [reporter 1] That looks like a second plane. 40 00:01:59,815 --> 00:02:01,295 So now you're looking at live pictures, 41 00:02:01,338 --> 00:02:03,297 and there is the second fire. 42 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:05,168 [buzzing] 43 00:02:05,212 --> 00:02:06,909 [Elmes] You could see the fear on my dad, 44 00:02:06,952 --> 00:02:08,650 watching this, and look at me, goes, he's, 45 00:02:08,693 --> 00:02:10,608 "You wanna do this? You still wanna do this? 46 00:02:10,652 --> 00:02:12,436 Watching this?" 47 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,221 [reporter 2] The entire building has just collapsed. 48 00:02:14,264 --> 00:02:16,005 [reporter 1] ...has collapsed? 49 00:02:16,048 --> 00:02:17,833 [reporter 2] The whole building has collapsed. 50 00:02:17,876 --> 00:02:19,530 [reporter 3] ...problem at the North Tower, Peter. 51 00:02:19,574 --> 00:02:20,966 [reporter 4] Let's look at the North Tower. 52 00:02:21,010 --> 00:02:22,011 -Quickly, quickly. -[reporter 3] Coming down. 53 00:02:22,054 --> 00:02:23,665 [buzzing] 54 00:02:23,708 --> 00:02:25,493 [Elmes] So I watched it, and understood, and, 55 00:02:25,536 --> 00:02:28,931 put myself second, and you first, in life. 56 00:02:29,714 --> 00:02:31,455 And I was okay with that. 57 00:02:31,499 --> 00:02:33,283 [mayor] And I'm very worried about all of my... 58 00:02:33,327 --> 00:02:35,111 police officers and firefighters, 59 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:37,200 some of whom might still go into the building. 60 00:02:37,548 --> 00:02:39,420 And we haven't been able to find them yet. 61 00:02:39,463 --> 00:02:41,248 This is gonna be a terrible strain on them... 62 00:02:41,291 --> 00:02:43,337 [unclear] 63 00:02:43,380 --> 00:02:45,295 Not only the people who are injured and hurt, and worse, 64 00:02:45,339 --> 00:02:48,080 but rescue efforts like this really drain you, 65 00:02:48,124 --> 00:02:50,344 so, we're gonna need as much help as we can get. 66 00:02:50,387 --> 00:02:52,694 [newscaster] Mayor Giuliani, I appreciate you speaking to us, 67 00:02:52,737 --> 00:02:54,391 live via telephone as we face-- 68 00:02:54,435 --> 00:02:55,958 [mayor] Right, I would just like to 69 00:02:56,001 --> 00:02:57,089 say to the people of New York City 70 00:02:57,133 --> 00:02:58,178 and the people of America, 71 00:02:58,221 --> 00:03:00,092 that the situation... 72 00:03:00,136 --> 00:03:03,357 -[unintelligible speaking] -[rumbling] 73 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,664 -[rumbling] -[chanting song] 74 00:03:24,421 --> 00:03:27,555 [chant song continues] 75 00:03:31,211 --> 00:03:33,952 -[blower roaring] -[song continues] 76 00:03:35,171 --> 00:03:36,999 [Elmes] I felt it, like, I, I could be that guy. 77 00:03:37,042 --> 00:03:39,915 I could do that job, I could help the people. 78 00:03:39,958 --> 00:03:42,265 [siren wailing] 79 00:03:42,744 --> 00:03:45,921 [Elmes] I was hired January 15th, 2007. 80 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:49,881 -You're hurting, sir? -I hurt. 81 00:03:49,925 --> 00:03:51,013 [Elmes] Twelve years. 82 00:03:51,056 --> 00:03:52,275 [victim] That hurts. 83 00:03:52,623 --> 00:03:55,278 -[sirens wailing] -[chanting song continues] 84 00:03:55,322 --> 00:03:56,888 [Elmes] It's not for everybody. 85 00:03:56,932 --> 00:03:58,760 It takes that certain kind of person. 86 00:04:00,762 --> 00:04:03,460 And, I can put aside what I need to put aside, 87 00:04:03,504 --> 00:04:05,157 to get that job done. 88 00:04:06,158 --> 00:04:07,551 [indistinct voices] 89 00:04:07,595 --> 00:04:09,597 [Elmes] Active duty firefighter. 90 00:04:10,511 --> 00:04:12,600 [siren wailing] 91 00:04:13,644 --> 00:04:14,515 -[slam] -[clatter] 92 00:04:24,525 --> 00:04:26,744 [Elmes] My wife would tell you over the years, 93 00:04:26,788 --> 00:04:29,617 that I'd become desensitized, and then we, 94 00:04:29,660 --> 00:04:31,488 we had children. 95 00:04:31,532 --> 00:04:34,143 I'm not... 96 00:04:34,186 --> 00:04:37,538 sensitive when I'm supposed to be sensitive, in her eyes. 97 00:04:37,581 --> 00:04:39,583 [sprayer roaring] 98 00:04:41,106 --> 00:04:42,543 [Elmes] She would call me cold, I just, 99 00:04:42,586 --> 00:04:44,022 I look at it for what it is, 100 00:04:44,066 --> 00:04:45,589 and I take the emotions out of it, 101 00:04:45,894 --> 00:04:49,767 and I think they're just a reaction from work. 102 00:04:49,811 --> 00:04:52,509 [sprayer roaring] 103 00:04:54,555 --> 00:04:56,296 [Carrie] Nick today is very different 104 00:04:56,339 --> 00:04:58,341 than when I met him ten years ago, you know. 105 00:04:58,385 --> 00:05:00,648 Ten plus years of doing that job. 106 00:05:00,691 --> 00:05:03,346 [siren wailing] 107 00:05:03,390 --> 00:05:05,392 [Carrie] The calls, 108 00:05:05,435 --> 00:05:08,046 the sleep deprivation, I mean, all that stuff changes him. 109 00:05:09,744 --> 00:05:12,181 So I mean, Nicky had to deal with 110 00:05:12,442 --> 00:05:14,052 all the shit thrown at him at work, 111 00:05:14,096 --> 00:05:17,273 he'd come home and deal with me, he was a mess. 112 00:05:19,971 --> 00:05:22,060 [Elmes] The beginning of my journey with kids was, 113 00:05:22,104 --> 00:05:23,932 was very tough. 114 00:05:23,975 --> 00:05:25,977 My son was born without any fingers on his left hand. 115 00:05:26,891 --> 00:05:28,980 [soft tense music] 116 00:05:30,155 --> 00:05:31,505 [Elmes] I took my first night off, 117 00:05:31,548 --> 00:05:33,115 the kids were in the INCU unit, 118 00:05:33,158 --> 00:05:34,725 she was in the hospital, in recovery. 119 00:05:34,769 --> 00:05:36,597 I went home, and I just bawled my eyes out. 120 00:05:36,988 --> 00:05:38,599 I'd sit there, I-- this is my moment, 121 00:05:38,642 --> 00:05:39,861 I got my emotions out, 122 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:42,864 and I went back to the fire-hall for my last night-shift, 123 00:05:42,907 --> 00:05:44,996 and I never took a day off, after that. 124 00:05:46,433 --> 00:05:49,523 [Carrie] I blame myself for Marco's hand a lot, 125 00:05:49,566 --> 00:05:51,220 and I had a really hard time. 126 00:05:54,136 --> 00:05:56,443 [Elmes] My wife suffered from post-partum, severely, 127 00:05:56,486 --> 00:05:58,270 where she was put on suicide watch, 128 00:05:58,314 --> 00:06:00,098 and when I had to go to work, I had to note 129 00:06:00,403 --> 00:06:01,622 when she was gonna be alone 130 00:06:01,665 --> 00:06:02,753 with the kids and stuff, so that... 131 00:06:03,537 --> 00:06:05,147 so I might be available for a call, 132 00:06:05,190 --> 00:06:07,584 'cause she had written suicide notes and stuff. 133 00:06:08,063 --> 00:06:11,066 [Carrie] It made me incredibly strong, 134 00:06:11,109 --> 00:06:13,677 'cause I had to be alone with two babies a lot of the time. 135 00:06:14,286 --> 00:06:17,028 And being a first responder's wife is very difficult. 136 00:06:17,420 --> 00:06:19,596 -[clatter] -[thumping] 137 00:06:20,771 --> 00:06:22,294 [Elmes] I had to take the emotion out 138 00:06:22,338 --> 00:06:23,818 and just be strong, and 139 00:06:23,861 --> 00:06:26,081 take care of everyone, and just, do, like-- 140 00:06:26,516 --> 00:06:28,866 She says I just turn everything into a job. 141 00:06:28,910 --> 00:06:31,042 [tense music continues] 142 00:06:31,391 --> 00:06:35,699 [Carrie] As much as they say you turn off when you're done, 143 00:06:36,352 --> 00:06:38,180 you don't, 'cause it affects everything. 144 00:06:38,223 --> 00:06:39,355 [siren wailing] 145 00:06:41,096 --> 00:06:43,228 [Elmes] When I got on, it was still the old-school mentality. 146 00:06:43,925 --> 00:06:46,057 You know, you come back from an ugly accident scene, 147 00:06:46,101 --> 00:06:47,232 "Everyone okay?" "Yep." 148 00:06:47,276 --> 00:06:48,146 "Good. Suck it up." 149 00:06:48,190 --> 00:06:49,800 [siren wailing] 150 00:06:49,844 --> 00:06:51,236 [Elmes] Just bottle that up and bury it. 151 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:52,847 I just kept going. 152 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:55,850 -[engine rumbling] -[music continues] 153 00:06:58,113 --> 00:06:59,288 [Elmes] That old-school mentality 154 00:06:59,331 --> 00:07:00,768 in the fire-hall still exists. 155 00:07:00,811 --> 00:07:01,769 And we don't wanna hear about it, 156 00:07:01,812 --> 00:07:03,074 don't talk about it. 157 00:07:03,379 --> 00:07:05,816 -[television humming] -[unsettling music] 158 00:07:15,609 --> 00:07:16,479 ♪ Uh 159 00:07:16,827 --> 00:07:18,002 ♪ It's a message 160 00:07:18,046 --> 00:07:19,351 [train rumbling] 161 00:07:20,091 --> 00:07:20,962 ♪ Gangsters 162 00:07:21,484 --> 00:07:23,486 ♪ Black males. Angels 163 00:07:25,183 --> 00:07:26,750 ♪ Keep the message 164 00:07:26,794 --> 00:07:28,665 [Sabini] The Bronx is its own kinda... 165 00:07:28,709 --> 00:07:31,581 it's a huge melting pot, is New York City, you know, 166 00:07:31,625 --> 00:07:33,496 it's very much a focal point of the world, 167 00:07:33,540 --> 00:07:36,717 as a result, so are the New York Police Department, 168 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,370 the New York City Fire Department, 169 00:07:38,414 --> 00:07:41,635 we are in that spotlight, so there's a pride that 170 00:07:42,157 --> 00:07:43,680 -we are viewed that way. -[clattering thud] 171 00:07:43,724 --> 00:07:44,725 Whoo! 172 00:07:44,768 --> 00:07:46,640 [indistinct speaking] 173 00:07:46,683 --> 00:07:48,555 [Sabini] My name's Matthew Sabini, 174 00:07:48,598 --> 00:07:53,037 I'm a firefighter on Engine 71, in the Bronx, for the FDNY. 175 00:07:59,043 --> 00:08:01,176 It's been said a million times, so it's almost cliche now, 176 00:08:01,219 --> 00:08:03,483 but it really brought out the best of New Yorkers. 177 00:08:11,795 --> 00:08:13,493 [Sabini] Going to local community college, 178 00:08:13,536 --> 00:08:15,843 finishing two classes a semester, it's just... 179 00:08:15,886 --> 00:08:17,540 no fucking clue what to do. 180 00:08:17,584 --> 00:08:19,281 I came out of that class in the morning, 181 00:08:19,324 --> 00:08:21,196 and I went to the cafeteria where, 182 00:08:21,239 --> 00:08:23,024 when everyone's sitting there glued to the TV, and that's-- 183 00:08:23,459 --> 00:08:26,506 -[airplane engine roaring] -[siren wailing] 184 00:08:27,245 --> 00:08:29,509 [Sabini] And then that moment kinda, 185 00:08:29,552 --> 00:08:31,902 something clicked, and it was like... 186 00:08:32,207 --> 00:08:34,296 [reflective music] 187 00:08:35,036 --> 00:08:38,256 Yeah, I kinda, like, realized, like, I needed to do something. 188 00:08:38,300 --> 00:08:40,128 Signed up to take the test, 189 00:08:40,171 --> 00:08:42,217 and then a couple years later I was in Probie school. 190 00:08:42,609 --> 00:08:45,089 And it's unfortunate it took a horrific incident like that, 191 00:08:45,133 --> 00:08:47,614 to do that, but it pretty much made me who I am now. 192 00:08:47,657 --> 00:08:49,398 -[train rumbling] -[music continues] 193 00:08:49,877 --> 00:08:51,400 [Smith] That was my goal in my life, 194 00:08:51,443 --> 00:08:52,836 to be a New York City fireman. 195 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:57,145 After nine-eleven, I became a New York City fireman. 196 00:08:57,188 --> 00:08:59,364 [reflective music continues] 197 00:08:59,756 --> 00:09:01,453 [Smith] My name's Kirk Smith, 198 00:09:01,497 --> 00:09:03,760 I work for the New York City Fire Department, FDNY, 199 00:09:03,804 --> 00:09:04,979 in South Bronx. 200 00:09:06,328 --> 00:09:08,373 Our area still has Projects. 201 00:09:08,417 --> 00:09:11,028 There's been some times that we have had some issues. 202 00:09:11,072 --> 00:09:12,334 [train rumbling] 203 00:09:13,901 --> 00:09:15,859 Come on, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it. 204 00:09:16,991 --> 00:09:20,081 The crack epidemic hit us hard, so from there on, 205 00:09:20,124 --> 00:09:24,346 it just was downhill. Crack, dope, coke, weed, pills. 206 00:09:24,389 --> 00:09:27,567 Grab your gun, grab your drug, come outside, do your thing. 207 00:09:29,046 --> 00:09:31,571 There's a fire department right down the hill, that 208 00:09:31,614 --> 00:09:34,486 saved a lot of peoples in these projects where I live at, 209 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:35,966 and they do their thing. 210 00:09:36,010 --> 00:09:39,666 -[anticipatory music] -[beep] 211 00:09:40,623 --> 00:09:42,582 They're gonna see something you don't really wanna see. 212 00:09:44,322 --> 00:09:46,498 [newscaster] In the Bronx, three children trapped 213 00:09:46,542 --> 00:09:49,414 inside a burning building, are in critical condition. 214 00:09:50,154 --> 00:09:51,982 There's gonna be deceased people. 215 00:09:52,026 --> 00:09:54,245 [newscaster] A deadly shooting in a deli in the Bronx. 216 00:09:54,289 --> 00:09:56,813 [sirens wailing] 217 00:09:56,857 --> 00:09:58,336 It's gonna keep going like that. 218 00:10:00,164 --> 00:10:02,253 [newscaster] Devastating scene of fire and ice in the Bronx. 219 00:10:02,297 --> 00:10:04,734 At least twelve people killed, including children, 220 00:10:04,778 --> 00:10:07,128 in the deadliest fire in New York City, 221 00:10:07,171 --> 00:10:08,651 in more than a quarter century. 222 00:10:08,695 --> 00:10:11,045 -[beep] -[anticipatory music continues] 223 00:10:12,263 --> 00:10:14,439 [Sabini] Fuck this, you know? This sucks sometimes. 224 00:10:14,918 --> 00:10:16,877 The first time you see something with a kid, 225 00:10:17,442 --> 00:10:19,662 that really... that hits you. 226 00:10:19,706 --> 00:10:20,968 -Good? -Yeah. 227 00:10:21,446 --> 00:10:22,360 -[beep] -I suck. 228 00:10:22,404 --> 00:10:23,840 Let's go, let's work. 229 00:10:23,884 --> 00:10:25,146 [Sabini] That's the trade-off, is 230 00:10:25,189 --> 00:10:26,538 you get to do this job, and you get to be 231 00:10:26,582 --> 00:10:28,149 in the greatest fire department in the world. 232 00:10:28,192 --> 00:10:29,585 Just push, just push. 233 00:10:29,629 --> 00:10:31,108 Body shot, body shot, there you go. 234 00:10:32,022 --> 00:10:32,980 [reflective music] 235 00:10:33,371 --> 00:10:34,851 [Sabini] But the trade-off is, 236 00:10:34,895 --> 00:10:36,374 yeah, I'm gonna see some of the ugliest 237 00:10:36,418 --> 00:10:38,115 shit that's out there. 238 00:10:38,507 --> 00:10:40,770 I don't think it's a balance, I think it's a trade-off, 239 00:10:40,814 --> 00:10:42,685 it's an accepted trade-off. 240 00:10:42,729 --> 00:10:44,121 [music continues] 241 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:46,254 [Sabini] And that's what people realize now, 242 00:10:46,733 --> 00:10:47,864 out of that. 243 00:10:49,170 --> 00:10:49,866 That's as a whole, not just New York City, 244 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:50,824 that's everywhere. 245 00:10:51,172 --> 00:10:53,087 [reflective music continues] 246 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:54,697 [indistinct voices] 247 00:10:54,741 --> 00:10:56,003 How did I miss that? 248 00:11:06,970 --> 00:11:08,319 [Cooper] There's an adage that says, 249 00:11:08,363 --> 00:11:10,060 "Toronto Fire Service, more than fire," 250 00:11:10,104 --> 00:11:11,540 we just do a lot of stuff. 251 00:11:14,369 --> 00:11:16,153 [reflective music] 252 00:11:16,197 --> 00:11:17,677 [Cooper] This city's three and a half million people. 253 00:11:19,113 --> 00:11:20,680 We are in the Downtown Corps. 254 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,206 [Cooper] It's the busiest apparatus 255 00:11:25,249 --> 00:11:26,381 on the Toronto Fire Service. 256 00:11:26,424 --> 00:11:27,991 It's the busiest one in Canada. 257 00:11:28,035 --> 00:11:29,471 [siren beeping] 258 00:11:29,514 --> 00:11:31,386 [dispatcher] ...fourteen, medical. 259 00:11:33,083 --> 00:11:34,911 [siren wailing] 260 00:11:36,173 --> 00:11:37,740 [Cooper] Let's just use Friday, for instance. 261 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:40,917 This is most of what we did Friday. 262 00:11:42,702 --> 00:11:45,574 Fentanyl overdose, at... Yonge-Dundas Square, 263 00:11:45,617 --> 00:11:48,795 where it's-- right near where there's a safe injection site. 264 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:52,755 Probably on the return from the other call. 265 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:55,149 -[indistinct voices] -[siren wailing] 266 00:11:55,192 --> 00:11:58,152 [Cooper] A transgender person had had a... 267 00:11:58,195 --> 00:12:00,763 fentanyl overdose in a room in a hotel. 268 00:12:00,807 --> 00:12:03,287 -[indistinct voices] -[siren wailing] 269 00:12:03,810 --> 00:12:05,289 [Cooper] Less than a block from the station. 270 00:12:06,551 --> 00:12:08,553 And it was a fentanyl overdose again. 271 00:12:08,815 --> 00:12:10,991 -[indistinct voices] -[melancholic music] 272 00:12:12,383 --> 00:12:13,689 [Cooper] We went to an alarm call, 273 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:15,647 this is at 1:20 in the morning, 274 00:12:15,691 --> 00:12:18,085 because alarms had been set off by... 275 00:12:18,912 --> 00:12:19,913 poor cooking. 276 00:12:21,262 --> 00:12:23,438 We've had another fentanyl overdose. 277 00:12:23,481 --> 00:12:25,179 1:01 in the morning, 278 00:12:25,222 --> 00:12:26,746 intravenous drug user who had been sleeping, 279 00:12:26,789 --> 00:12:28,922 passed out unconscious in a stairwell. 280 00:12:28,965 --> 00:12:31,228 Gentleman had taken his life, bag over his head, 281 00:12:31,272 --> 00:12:32,839 and put helium in. 282 00:12:32,882 --> 00:12:35,450 We had another... residential high-rise alarm, 283 00:12:35,493 --> 00:12:38,192 we found a homeless woman had been smoking... 284 00:12:38,235 --> 00:12:39,933 crack in the stairwell, 285 00:12:39,976 --> 00:12:42,239 and probably hadn't bathed in months. 286 00:12:42,283 --> 00:12:43,937 There's-- There's a mental health issue 287 00:12:43,980 --> 00:12:47,505 out here in our area, in our area of the city, 288 00:12:47,549 --> 00:12:49,681 so a lot of the people that we call homeless people, 289 00:12:49,725 --> 00:12:51,858 are people who actually do have mental health issues, 290 00:12:51,901 --> 00:12:53,598 and, it's hard to deal with them, 291 00:12:53,642 --> 00:12:54,686 because you don't know where to send them. 292 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:56,036 We see here regularly 293 00:12:56,079 --> 00:12:57,515 is sometimes some of our patients, 294 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,691 we have seen more than once in a day, 295 00:12:59,735 --> 00:13:01,084 with the same condition. 296 00:13:01,128 --> 00:13:02,694 -[alarm beeping] -And-- 297 00:13:02,738 --> 00:13:04,348 -Can we stop for a sec? -[dispatcher indistinct] 298 00:13:04,392 --> 00:13:05,872 -[dispatcher] ...medical... -Stop. 299 00:13:05,915 --> 00:13:08,570 [dispatcher indistinct] 300 00:13:08,613 --> 00:13:11,747 -[engine idling] -[reflective music] 301 00:13:14,968 --> 00:13:17,622 -[siren wailing] -[music continues] 302 00:13:17,666 --> 00:13:19,407 [man indistinct over radio] 303 00:13:19,450 --> 00:13:21,496 ...I have no further information. Stand by. 304 00:13:21,539 --> 00:13:24,412 -[siren wailing] -[tense music] 305 00:13:35,989 --> 00:13:39,166 We have a male seizing under Alexander. 306 00:13:41,472 --> 00:13:44,606 -[indistinct voices] -[siren wailing] 307 00:13:46,347 --> 00:13:49,393 [soft tense music] 308 00:14:27,649 --> 00:14:29,738 [music fades] 309 00:14:42,359 --> 00:14:44,231 [Nevin] Detroit is a real tough town. 310 00:14:45,623 --> 00:14:49,845 We went through a municipal bankruptcy in 2014-15. 311 00:14:49,889 --> 00:14:51,673 It's a tough town, 312 00:14:51,716 --> 00:14:53,109 and it's a tough town for public safety workers. 313 00:14:56,199 --> 00:14:57,679 My name is Myke Nevin. 314 00:14:57,722 --> 00:14:59,768 I am Captain of Squad Company Three. 315 00:15:00,943 --> 00:15:02,858 I have 33 years on the Fire Department. 316 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:05,687 I'm the President of the Detroit Firefighter's Association. 317 00:15:05,730 --> 00:15:07,950 That represents all the Detroit firefighters, 318 00:15:07,994 --> 00:15:09,952 the Divisions, and EMS. 319 00:15:09,996 --> 00:15:11,649 You've been out, I know you've got footage 320 00:15:11,693 --> 00:15:14,087 of our firefighters, and I know that some of 321 00:15:14,130 --> 00:15:16,741 your crew have even asked, "How do so few men 322 00:15:17,090 --> 00:15:18,656 combat something so violent?" 323 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:19,962 -[siren wails outside] -You hear the sirens now 324 00:15:20,006 --> 00:15:21,485 as I'm speaking. 325 00:15:21,529 --> 00:15:23,400 This is the city where the sirens never stop. 326 00:15:23,444 --> 00:15:25,402 -We're buzzin' ar-- -[siren wailing outside] 327 00:15:25,446 --> 00:15:26,838 We're buzzin' all over the place, 328 00:15:26,882 --> 00:15:28,449 left and right, never stops. 329 00:15:28,492 --> 00:15:31,365 [siren wailing] 330 00:15:31,408 --> 00:15:34,411 [fast-paced distorted music] 331 00:15:36,283 --> 00:15:38,111 [Nevin] This is the arson capital of the world. 332 00:15:38,154 --> 00:15:40,461 The devil definitely lives in the city of Detroit. 333 00:15:43,377 --> 00:15:45,901 We without hesitation run into burning buildings. 334 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:48,251 We are an aggressive interior-attack department. 335 00:15:49,426 --> 00:15:50,819 [Smith] I've been here 19 years. 336 00:15:51,167 --> 00:15:52,647 Yeah, there have been a couple of moments 337 00:15:52,690 --> 00:15:54,170 where I come back, like, man, this is a-- 338 00:15:54,214 --> 00:15:55,650 this is a crazy reality. 339 00:15:55,693 --> 00:15:56,956 You could die here. 340 00:15:56,999 --> 00:15:58,958 -[alarm ringing] -[music continues] 341 00:15:59,436 --> 00:16:01,786 [Smith] You can die, and that's a very realistic possibility. 342 00:16:01,830 --> 00:16:04,093 [distorted music continues] 343 00:16:04,137 --> 00:16:05,834 -[thud] -[heavy breathing] 344 00:16:06,878 --> 00:16:08,576 [Smith] When we're meeting people, 345 00:16:08,619 --> 00:16:10,360 the pressure is on, right now. 346 00:16:12,058 --> 00:16:14,016 [muffled voice] Hey, you over there on the porch! 347 00:16:14,060 --> 00:16:15,322 [muffled shouting] 348 00:16:16,801 --> 00:16:17,541 [Smith] There's no time, there's no Chapter Six, 349 00:16:17,585 --> 00:16:18,934 there's no textbook. 350 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:20,370 [muffled voice] Hey! On the porch! 351 00:16:22,155 --> 00:16:23,808 Hang on there for me, right? 352 00:16:23,852 --> 00:16:25,071 It's like, you do it right now. 353 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:26,986 [thump] 354 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:29,640 [Nevin] Your big city 355 00:16:29,684 --> 00:16:32,252 public safety workers experience an awful lot, 356 00:16:32,295 --> 00:16:33,949 and a high call volume. 357 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:35,995 -[muffled] Right here. -[crash] 358 00:16:36,038 --> 00:16:37,779 [Nevin] And a high call volume throughout many, many years. 359 00:16:37,822 --> 00:16:39,520 [distorted music continues] 360 00:16:40,260 --> 00:16:41,565 [Nevin] There's car accidents. 361 00:16:41,609 --> 00:16:43,002 [siren wailing] 362 00:16:43,698 --> 00:16:45,787 There's medical emergencies. 363 00:16:45,830 --> 00:16:47,789 There's... assaults. 364 00:16:47,832 --> 00:16:49,617 There's-- I mean, we're doing an awful lot in this town. 365 00:16:49,660 --> 00:16:52,011 We run harder than any department in the country. 366 00:16:52,054 --> 00:16:53,664 [music continues] 367 00:16:53,708 --> 00:16:55,536 [siren wailing] 368 00:16:55,579 --> 00:16:57,668 [newscaster] Flooding is canceling more classes today. 369 00:16:57,712 --> 00:16:59,322 [newscaster 2] As heavy rains led to this. 370 00:17:00,497 --> 00:17:02,064 [Nevin] And it hasn't slowed down. 371 00:17:02,108 --> 00:17:05,241 -[distorted music continues] -[sirens wailing] 372 00:17:08,636 --> 00:17:10,594 -[saw whining] -[crash] 373 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:20,082 [Nevin] We've gone from, you know, insane, or lunacy, to-- 374 00:17:20,126 --> 00:17:22,302 or, Armageddon, to, like, lunacy. 375 00:17:22,345 --> 00:17:25,000 It-- it's really insane how busy we are. 376 00:17:25,044 --> 00:17:27,611 [music continues] 377 00:17:31,528 --> 00:17:34,357 [music fades] 378 00:17:49,372 --> 00:17:52,810 [buzzing] 379 00:17:52,854 --> 00:17:54,856 [Elmes] You know, growing up in East Vancouver, 380 00:17:54,899 --> 00:17:56,814 you know, some people went this way. 381 00:17:56,858 --> 00:17:58,903 Some people went this way, and I just said, 382 00:17:58,947 --> 00:18:00,818 "Well, I'm just gonna walk down the middle, and 383 00:18:01,341 --> 00:18:02,820 and abide by the law 384 00:18:02,864 --> 00:18:04,561 and do what I gotta do to get on the Fire Department." 385 00:18:04,953 --> 00:18:07,999 So yeah, it set... a straight-line path for me. 386 00:18:08,043 --> 00:18:09,914 [buzzing] 387 00:18:09,958 --> 00:18:14,310 In East Vancouver, everything can change in a couple blocks, 388 00:18:14,354 --> 00:18:18,097 like, you know, head north a few blocks, 389 00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:19,446 and you're in a totally different... 390 00:18:19,489 --> 00:18:21,448 -[hitch] -...atmosphere. 391 00:18:21,491 --> 00:18:24,755 [distorted electronic music] 392 00:18:25,756 --> 00:18:27,149 [Stephen] My name's Brad Stephen. 393 00:18:27,454 --> 00:18:29,934 I have been retired, now, for three years. 394 00:18:30,674 --> 00:18:34,983 Was very fortunate to get on to the Fire Department in 1985, 395 00:18:35,026 --> 00:18:36,463 the Vancouver Fire Department. 396 00:18:36,854 --> 00:18:39,596 Like, I can't believe the deterioration 397 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,469 of this area, and the vacancy, 398 00:18:42,860 --> 00:18:45,602 and the heartache down here that exist today. 399 00:18:45,646 --> 00:18:48,257 It's... a sense for me, 400 00:18:48,301 --> 00:18:50,390 of things just not being in control. 401 00:18:50,433 --> 00:18:54,742 The-- The true horrors of addiction come completely real. 402 00:18:54,785 --> 00:18:57,658 [sirens wailing] 403 00:18:59,225 --> 00:19:01,879 [indistinct voices] 404 00:19:02,228 --> 00:19:04,186 [Higgins] I mean, I've been out of Vancouver 23 years, 405 00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:05,796 and things have changed down here. 406 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,537 Our call volume has doubled, 407 00:19:07,581 --> 00:19:09,583 and sometimes tripled, since when I came on the job. 408 00:19:09,626 --> 00:19:12,977 [sirens wailing] 409 00:19:13,021 --> 00:19:15,241 [indistinct voices] 410 00:19:17,373 --> 00:19:19,332 [Higgins] Like, when I came on the job, 411 00:19:19,375 --> 00:19:21,508 it was common to be in the hall for four or five years. 412 00:19:21,551 --> 00:19:23,379 It was just kind of how it worked out. 413 00:19:23,423 --> 00:19:25,642 In the last ten years, because of the high call volume, 414 00:19:25,686 --> 00:19:27,818 it's not-- it's not feasible. 415 00:19:27,862 --> 00:19:28,993 -[siren wailing] -[tense music] 416 00:19:29,037 --> 00:19:30,734 [dispatcher indistinct] 417 00:19:30,778 --> 00:19:34,085 [indistinct speech] 418 00:19:34,695 --> 00:19:36,131 [Higgins] Mentally, physically. 419 00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:37,959 [indistinct voice on radio] 420 00:19:40,527 --> 00:19:41,963 [Higgins] Guys are burning out. 421 00:19:42,006 --> 00:19:45,096 [indistinct voices] 422 00:19:50,841 --> 00:19:52,582 [Higgins] And when you go home, you don't tell a lot of stories. 423 00:19:52,626 --> 00:19:54,149 I used to, coming home, 424 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:55,542 tell Mom about everything that was going on at work. 425 00:19:55,933 --> 00:19:57,544 Can't do that anymore. 426 00:19:57,587 --> 00:19:59,502 It's not... How can they relate, or picture 427 00:19:59,546 --> 00:20:00,677 what I'm telling them. 428 00:20:00,721 --> 00:20:03,506 [siren wailing] 429 00:20:03,550 --> 00:20:06,248 [Higgins] They're basing what I tell them on a TV show 430 00:20:06,292 --> 00:20:07,902 and a movie that they've seen, or something on the news. 431 00:20:07,945 --> 00:20:09,164 That's not reality. 432 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:11,166 What we live here, is reality, 433 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:13,386 and how we go about our day and what we see, is reality. 434 00:20:13,429 --> 00:20:16,650 -[siren wailing] -[soft reflective music] 435 00:20:20,306 --> 00:20:23,396 [siren wailing] 436 00:20:25,833 --> 00:20:27,095 [siren fades] 437 00:20:30,185 --> 00:20:32,013 [rustling] 438 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,197 [soft anticipatory music] 439 00:20:42,589 --> 00:20:46,114 So I remember... early on in my career, 440 00:20:46,157 --> 00:20:49,422 came on scene and there was a baby on a couch. 441 00:20:50,423 --> 00:20:52,555 Had been drinking from a baby bottle 442 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:54,470 that was propped on a pillow while the mother 443 00:20:54,514 --> 00:20:56,211 tried to get some rest. 444 00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:58,648 And when we got there the baby was in full arrest. 445 00:20:58,692 --> 00:21:00,650 -So I did CPR. -[siren wailing] 446 00:21:00,694 --> 00:21:04,959 At the time, I had two little infants at home. 447 00:21:05,002 --> 00:21:07,788 The baby, to my knowledge, didn't make it. 448 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:10,443 Thinking, down in here in Gas Town, 449 00:21:10,486 --> 00:21:12,009 we're on-scene at a nightclub, 450 00:21:12,053 --> 00:21:13,924 found the body of a 21-year old male, 451 00:21:13,968 --> 00:21:17,450 had been stabbed in the chest, had collapsed on the floor, 452 00:21:17,493 --> 00:21:20,148 but he was still... conscious. 453 00:21:20,496 --> 00:21:24,239 And he looked up at me and... he said, "Am I gonna die?" 454 00:21:24,283 --> 00:21:25,632 And I said, "No." 455 00:21:26,023 --> 00:21:28,461 And... he slowly lost consciousness 456 00:21:28,504 --> 00:21:29,592 and he passed away. 457 00:21:30,071 --> 00:21:31,638 Oak Street Bridge. 458 00:21:32,856 --> 00:21:34,467 There was a head-on car crash. 459 00:21:34,510 --> 00:21:37,252 -[splintering crash] -Her legs had been severed. 460 00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:39,254 -[groaning] -Both of them. 461 00:21:39,602 --> 00:21:43,389 Got a report of a stabbing, or an assault. 462 00:21:43,824 --> 00:21:45,652 He's dead, Captain. 463 00:21:45,695 --> 00:21:49,264 The police officer, not a comment on them, 464 00:21:49,525 --> 00:21:52,311 or him at the time, but he screamed, "It's okay! 465 00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:54,356 I felt a pulse!" 466 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,055 And I pulled the stuff that was on him down, 467 00:21:58,099 --> 00:22:00,275 whether it was blankets or whatever, I don't remember. 468 00:22:00,754 --> 00:22:03,147 But he had-- his head was decapitated. 469 00:22:03,887 --> 00:22:05,889 It's fucked up, he's decapitated. 470 00:22:05,933 --> 00:22:07,674 Fuckin', you know, get a grip. 471 00:22:08,588 --> 00:22:11,025 It-- It's just such a bizarre scene, 472 00:22:11,808 --> 00:22:14,376 where two people, 473 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:17,074 one a police officer, one a firefighter, 474 00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:20,208 are arguing whether a guy still has a heartbeat, 475 00:22:20,251 --> 00:22:24,560 and his fuckin' head isn't attached to his body. 476 00:22:24,604 --> 00:22:27,433 We get on scene, and... 477 00:22:27,476 --> 00:22:29,304 the report of a pedestrian struck, 478 00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:33,526 and I've never ever ever ever forgot this. I see... 479 00:22:33,874 --> 00:22:35,615 two rubber boots, 480 00:22:35,658 --> 00:22:37,791 was like they'd just been placed right on the roadway, 481 00:22:37,834 --> 00:22:40,402 about a 100, 150 feet up the road, 482 00:22:40,446 --> 00:22:42,839 there was about, an eight-year old little boy, 483 00:22:42,883 --> 00:22:44,711 who used to be in those boots. 484 00:22:45,146 --> 00:22:46,887 So we get this call, and there's a... 485 00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:49,193 a male down, he's about 25, 30, 486 00:22:49,237 --> 00:22:52,980 and he had multiple stab wounds, thirty, forty stab wounds. 487 00:22:53,023 --> 00:22:55,896 Like, if you wanna know the imagery, is, it just-- 488 00:22:55,939 --> 00:22:58,115 -[thumping] -If you stab a roast, 489 00:22:58,812 --> 00:23:01,249 and you hear that, it's like a thud, 490 00:23:01,292 --> 00:23:03,904 and you can feel the tissue... 491 00:23:03,947 --> 00:23:06,341 I've actually done that, where I've stuck it in. 492 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,605 And I imagine somebody did that 493 00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:12,173 thirty or forty times to this human being. 494 00:23:12,216 --> 00:23:14,131 And this is in this area, roughly. 495 00:23:14,741 --> 00:23:17,221 We get there, and there's a guy hanging by a rope. 496 00:23:17,265 --> 00:23:19,093 There was about a ten-year old boy there. 497 00:23:19,136 --> 00:23:20,660 -[fan whirring] -And his dad's hanging there 498 00:23:20,703 --> 00:23:22,052 in front of him. 499 00:23:22,096 --> 00:23:23,880 There's another call, up in the... 500 00:23:23,924 --> 00:23:25,360 Victoria Drive area. 501 00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:28,102 My God, this baby had been dropped in a... 502 00:23:28,145 --> 00:23:29,669 tub of hot water. 503 00:23:29,712 --> 00:23:31,366 -I had skin on my... -[disturbing rumble] 504 00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:33,063 ...uniform. 505 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:36,676 I highly doubt that baby made it. 506 00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:38,721 Uh, back over here, 507 00:23:38,765 --> 00:23:40,984 -and it was a hose fire. -[fire whooshing] 508 00:23:41,028 --> 00:23:44,074 But there was a... a person on the couch. 509 00:23:44,118 --> 00:23:46,512 -Their abdomen split-- -[fire whooshing] 510 00:23:46,555 --> 00:23:49,166 And they had opened up. It was like a rainbow. 511 00:23:49,210 --> 00:23:51,125 It was the intestines, and, 512 00:23:51,168 --> 00:23:53,301 kidneys and liver, but it was an absolute, 513 00:23:53,344 --> 00:23:57,174 perfectly anatomically preserved body. 514 00:23:57,218 --> 00:23:59,525 I haven't told people these stories. 515 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,705 And every firefighter, they have this... 516 00:24:05,748 --> 00:24:07,141 [pen scratching] 517 00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:10,449 [unsettling anticipatory music] 518 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:21,155 So, I tend to only speak in this for myself, that... it... 519 00:24:22,199 --> 00:24:23,462 it just adds up. 520 00:24:24,027 --> 00:24:26,769 It's just not normal to be driving down a street, 521 00:24:27,378 --> 00:24:28,989 and seeing the light-poles 522 00:24:29,032 --> 00:24:31,252 where people have crashed and killed themselves 523 00:24:31,295 --> 00:24:32,732 in a car accident, 524 00:24:32,775 --> 00:24:34,385 you've gone, pulled up and they're dead. 525 00:24:35,691 --> 00:24:39,216 It's not normal to see rubber boots 526 00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:41,523 on a shelf in a shoe store, 527 00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:43,743 and think about a little eight-year old boy, 528 00:24:44,221 --> 00:24:45,440 but I do. 529 00:24:45,745 --> 00:24:48,443 It's not normal to cross Oak Street Bridge 530 00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:49,792 and think about... 531 00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:53,404 legs being torn off a body of a 21 year-old girl, 532 00:24:53,448 --> 00:24:54,493 but I do. 533 00:24:57,365 --> 00:25:01,500 It's... just not normal. 534 00:25:08,463 --> 00:25:09,508 [MacDonald] This is my dad. 535 00:25:11,031 --> 00:25:12,859 He actually drove this 536 00:25:12,902 --> 00:25:15,557 fire truck, and it started with a hand crank in the front. 537 00:25:15,601 --> 00:25:19,213 So, this is Number Three Haul, we used to go and pick him up, 538 00:25:19,996 --> 00:25:22,216 after his... night shifts. 539 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,001 Yeah. 540 00:25:25,436 --> 00:25:27,787 My father and I did not talk a lot. 541 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:30,790 He progressed through his career, and... 542 00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:32,879 He never told me any stories about it, really. 543 00:25:33,488 --> 00:25:36,535 So, I-- I'm starting from square one. 544 00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:39,407 The term PTSD wasn't there. 545 00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:40,669 There was no such thing. 546 00:25:41,148 --> 00:25:44,238 [shredder rumbling] 547 00:25:49,069 --> 00:25:51,332 [Cooper] I've been doing this for forty years now, and 548 00:25:51,375 --> 00:25:53,813 the ones that were really horrible, always stay. 549 00:25:53,856 --> 00:25:55,292 And when they stay with you, 550 00:25:55,336 --> 00:25:56,729 they stay with you your entire career. 551 00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:04,432 [Cooper] We have a fire in-- which is... 552 00:26:04,475 --> 00:26:06,303 in Toronto history, is an infamous fire, 553 00:26:06,347 --> 00:26:08,305 because in this building we lost ten people. 554 00:26:08,784 --> 00:26:12,005 And, going to the inquest after, you know, 555 00:26:12,048 --> 00:26:13,659 maybe a year or two later when they try to figure out 556 00:26:13,702 --> 00:26:15,704 all the recommendations they can make, 557 00:26:15,748 --> 00:26:17,663 to make this not happen again. 558 00:26:17,706 --> 00:26:20,274 Then, you know, you discover-- we're told by the inquest, that 559 00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:22,624 that one of the people that perished was within 560 00:26:22,668 --> 00:26:24,539 six or eight inches of the end of my hand, 561 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:26,106 and I didn't get them. 562 00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:31,198 And, so, you know what, it's... it's what we do. 563 00:26:33,417 --> 00:26:35,898 Remembering all the stuff that goes on at these things, 564 00:26:35,942 --> 00:26:38,727 it's hard to judge exactly how many triggers you need, or... 565 00:26:38,771 --> 00:26:40,686 or where-- whatever sets it off. 566 00:26:41,121 --> 00:26:43,297 [siren wailing] 567 00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:46,605 It manifests itself in different people different ways. 568 00:26:46,648 --> 00:26:48,128 Talking to my own crew, 569 00:26:48,171 --> 00:26:49,738 you can talk to those guys and know-- 570 00:26:49,782 --> 00:26:51,610 they'll say, "Look, I used to drink this much. 571 00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:53,350 And now I drink this much." 572 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,484 I didn't do that consciously, that happened. 573 00:26:56,527 --> 00:26:58,312 [tense anticipatory music] 574 00:26:58,704 --> 00:27:00,923 [Smith] You can see a guy, you know, stumbling in, 575 00:27:00,967 --> 00:27:02,490 you can see it, you see the change, 576 00:27:02,533 --> 00:27:04,318 you see a substance abuse. 577 00:27:04,361 --> 00:27:05,841 We got guys going down left and right, substance abuse. 578 00:27:05,885 --> 00:27:08,017 We got a guy right now, who's in jail now. 579 00:27:09,453 --> 00:27:11,978 [Nevin] You get the DUI from drinking and driving, 580 00:27:12,021 --> 00:27:13,370 after you went to the bar in the morning, 581 00:27:13,414 --> 00:27:14,763 because of a bad night. 582 00:27:14,807 --> 00:27:18,637 You can't keep hitting it 24 on, 24 off. 583 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:19,594 24 on, 584 00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:21,335 24 off. 585 00:27:21,378 --> 00:27:22,771 It's 24 hours you're away from your family. 586 00:27:25,208 --> 00:27:26,296 [Smith] You know, 'cause your families 587 00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:28,211 take these rides with you. 588 00:27:28,255 --> 00:27:29,996 And that's something that you don't get to turn in, 589 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:32,825 when you leave, you know, when you leave here, 590 00:27:32,868 --> 00:27:34,348 you turn in some of your gear, 591 00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:35,566 there's a lot of things, there's a big checklist, 592 00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:37,612 and nowhere on that checklist, 593 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:40,223 is there a spot for all this to-- all the shit you've seen, 594 00:27:40,267 --> 00:27:41,703 over the years. 595 00:27:41,747 --> 00:27:43,662 And that's-- it becomes a challenge, 596 00:27:43,705 --> 00:27:45,446 and if you're not prepared, to dissect that and process it, 597 00:27:45,489 --> 00:27:46,665 you end up taking it home with you, 598 00:27:46,708 --> 00:27:48,405 and there's-- you-- you-- 599 00:27:48,449 --> 00:27:49,798 you learn to live with it, or you don't. 600 00:27:49,842 --> 00:27:52,279 [tense anticipatory music] 601 00:27:52,888 --> 00:27:54,716 [Higgins] How is your home life? Are things going well? 602 00:27:55,195 --> 00:27:57,763 Because at the fire hall, you kinda detach from that. 603 00:27:58,415 --> 00:28:00,113 -[alarm beeping] -[clattering] 604 00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:03,638 [dispatcher indistinct] 605 00:28:04,421 --> 00:28:06,119 [Higgins] When we leave this place, 606 00:28:06,162 --> 00:28:08,164 everybody has a life, that they go to. 607 00:28:08,208 --> 00:28:10,079 [siren wailing] 608 00:28:10,776 --> 00:28:12,429 [MacDonald] There-- there was a-- 609 00:28:12,473 --> 00:28:13,953 There was a lot of alcoholism on the job. 610 00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:16,782 My brother and I talked a little bit 611 00:28:17,347 --> 00:28:19,828 about how you break the chain. 612 00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:25,616 I only hit my sons once in their entire lives. 613 00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:28,794 I still cringe when I think about how they cried. 614 00:28:30,665 --> 00:28:33,755 [Smith] Guys on our job, PTSD is gonna show up 615 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,149 in those individuals, because of what they see. 616 00:28:36,192 --> 00:28:38,194 [thumping] 617 00:28:38,238 --> 00:28:39,935 [Smith] 'Cause everybody knows they got a little anger issues. 618 00:28:39,979 --> 00:28:41,676 -[thumping] -[grunts] 619 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,721 It's there. 620 00:28:42,764 --> 00:28:44,723 [indistinct shouting] 621 00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:48,814 [Nevin] Sleep deprivation... 622 00:28:48,857 --> 00:28:50,598 you know, our divorce rate's high. 623 00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:53,427 We've been to a lot of funerals, right, we have heart attacks, 624 00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:55,690 we're having-- we've had-- we've had suicides. 625 00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,737 [melancholic music] 626 00:28:59,694 --> 00:29:01,217 [Higgins] We had a member on our job 627 00:29:01,261 --> 00:29:02,436 that I'd talked to five days before, 628 00:29:02,479 --> 00:29:03,742 before he killed himself. 629 00:29:03,785 --> 00:29:05,395 And we talked about retirement, 630 00:29:05,439 --> 00:29:07,571 talked about pension, talked about family life. 631 00:29:07,833 --> 00:29:10,096 There was no indication that he was struggling, 632 00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:11,271 that he actually had demons. 633 00:29:12,141 --> 00:29:13,708 [interviewer] Have you ever in your career, 634 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:15,666 attended a funeral of a firefighter, 635 00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:16,885 who's committed suicide? 636 00:29:16,929 --> 00:29:17,930 Yes. 637 00:29:17,973 --> 00:29:19,758 Yes. And... 638 00:29:20,062 --> 00:29:21,150 And he was... 639 00:29:22,978 --> 00:29:25,938 He was suffering, and we knew the incident. 640 00:29:25,981 --> 00:29:28,941 And we in the Fire Service, at least, in our Fire Service, 641 00:29:28,984 --> 00:29:30,290 I won't speak for the others, 642 00:29:31,378 --> 00:29:33,075 have gone to funerals over the years, 643 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:34,511 many, many times, 644 00:29:34,947 --> 00:29:38,385 that we knew, the person had taken their own lives, 645 00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:40,430 and it wasn't spoken about. 646 00:29:41,257 --> 00:29:43,477 You didn't even ask, if you didn't know the guy, 647 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,348 how the guy l-- how the guy passed. 648 00:29:45,392 --> 00:29:47,350 We know now, I mean, I can tell you there's 649 00:29:47,394 --> 00:29:49,788 probably a dozen, that I can think of. 650 00:29:49,831 --> 00:29:52,442 [melancholic music continues] 651 00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:55,881 [Nevin] The thing that is absolutely sickening, 652 00:29:55,924 --> 00:30:00,102 sickening about Detroit, is that, since 1863, 653 00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:04,846 not one case of mental illness and or PTSD, 654 00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:07,370 has been reported, or on the books, 655 00:30:07,414 --> 00:30:08,850 since 1863. 656 00:30:08,894 --> 00:30:10,983 Because we were told to suck it up, 657 00:30:11,287 --> 00:30:13,420 move on, what's wrong with ya? 658 00:30:13,463 --> 00:30:15,248 Are ya a sissy? 659 00:30:15,291 --> 00:30:17,337 You know, what are you-- what are you crying for? 660 00:30:18,991 --> 00:30:21,384 I've become more understanding, personally, 661 00:30:21,428 --> 00:30:23,256 and a little more compassionate, 662 00:30:23,299 --> 00:30:24,953 as far as these members that are suffering. 663 00:30:25,345 --> 00:30:27,913 I take a step back now, and go, I get it, 664 00:30:28,348 --> 00:30:30,089 where I didn't, earlier. 665 00:30:30,132 --> 00:30:31,873 My members know that, and that's why they support me. 666 00:30:31,917 --> 00:30:33,440 And I'll keep beating that drum. 667 00:30:33,483 --> 00:30:35,485 We'll get the help we need eventually. 668 00:30:35,529 --> 00:30:37,313 And it may not be me at the finish line, 669 00:30:37,357 --> 00:30:38,401 but somebody will be there. 670 00:30:49,021 --> 00:30:52,502 [clattering] 671 00:30:53,721 --> 00:30:55,766 [Elmes] It's not about, everything you see at work, 672 00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:57,681 it could be what 673 00:30:57,725 --> 00:30:59,422 happens at work, it could be the atmosphere at work, 674 00:30:59,466 --> 00:31:01,947 the family life, that got ruined because of-- 675 00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:03,818 where there's so many different things. 676 00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,864 I was getting worn out and broken down, so was-- 677 00:31:05,907 --> 00:31:09,432 short-tempered, on edge, not happy. 678 00:31:09,476 --> 00:31:11,478 I had mental health issues, I needed... 679 00:31:11,957 --> 00:31:13,262 do something to fix this. 680 00:31:13,306 --> 00:31:14,568 What makes me happy? 681 00:31:16,439 --> 00:31:19,616 [ticking] 682 00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:21,140 [Carrie] My dad, growing up, 683 00:31:21,183 --> 00:31:24,230 at 18, he got into... motorcycles. 684 00:31:24,273 --> 00:31:27,276 I just loved him, growing up, Dad, I can't remember what age 685 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,148 he started taking us on his bikes, and 686 00:31:29,583 --> 00:31:31,541 had a little dirt-bike, when I was little, and, 687 00:31:31,585 --> 00:31:33,326 just-- it's literally, just a way of life. 688 00:31:33,369 --> 00:31:36,938 I mean, now, I don't ride nearly as often. 689 00:31:36,982 --> 00:31:39,593 I've always felt, you know, Nick had a dangerous job. 690 00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:42,509 He also rode, that was his release. 691 00:31:42,552 --> 00:31:43,553 I thought, okay. 692 00:31:44,815 --> 00:31:46,165 Someone needs to be a little bit more stable 693 00:31:46,208 --> 00:31:49,124 and responsible, and he deserves to have his outlet. 694 00:31:49,429 --> 00:31:52,519 [reflective music] 695 00:31:53,999 --> 00:31:55,783 [Elmes] The bad didn't matter anymore. 696 00:31:55,826 --> 00:31:58,394 The dark voices in your head, the dark clouds... 697 00:31:59,308 --> 00:32:00,657 they went away and lightened u. 698 00:32:00,701 --> 00:32:02,050 [engine starting] 699 00:32:04,009 --> 00:32:08,100 [Elmes] So I just had a... the feeling of peace. 700 00:32:09,231 --> 00:32:10,972 You can leave the outside world behind you. 701 00:32:11,016 --> 00:32:13,670 -[engine rumbling] -[distorted music] 702 00:32:13,714 --> 00:32:15,324 [Sabini] When I was a teenager, I wanted a crotch rocket, 703 00:32:16,456 --> 00:32:18,980 but I knew if I did go and buy one, 704 00:32:19,024 --> 00:32:20,503 if the bike didn't kill me, my mother would. 705 00:32:20,547 --> 00:32:22,679 After I got on the job, 706 00:32:22,723 --> 00:32:25,073 I got this extra little money, let's start getting into it. 707 00:32:25,117 --> 00:32:28,207 [distorted music continues] 708 00:32:31,384 --> 00:32:32,515 [Cooper] I get on the thing every day. 709 00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:35,866 -[engine starting] -[music continues] 710 00:32:37,694 --> 00:32:39,305 If-- If we didn't live in Toronto, 711 00:32:39,348 --> 00:32:40,828 I'd be on it all the way through the winter. 712 00:32:40,871 --> 00:32:43,962 -[engine rumbling] -[music continues] 713 00:32:46,747 --> 00:32:48,879 [Sabini] Seeing everything on a bike is different. 714 00:32:50,142 --> 00:32:51,882 It's more visceral. 715 00:32:51,926 --> 00:32:53,972 The different smells and the different tastes in the air 716 00:32:54,015 --> 00:32:55,582 as you're going through... 717 00:32:55,625 --> 00:32:58,019 -[engine rumbling] -[distorted music continues] 718 00:32:59,064 --> 00:33:00,674 [Cooper] And you come back from it, 719 00:33:01,066 --> 00:33:03,024 and that's all you thought about why you were out there. 720 00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:05,461 -[engine roaring] -[music continues] 721 00:33:07,811 --> 00:33:09,683 [Elmes] We found our peace and happiness. 722 00:33:09,726 --> 00:33:11,511 -[engine roaring] -[music continues] 723 00:33:11,554 --> 00:33:12,729 It's wind therapy. 724 00:33:12,773 --> 00:33:15,906 -[roaring fades] -[music fades] 725 00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:24,176 -[humming] -[rustling] 726 00:33:24,828 --> 00:33:26,961 You know, I'll never, I'll never know, 727 00:33:27,266 --> 00:33:31,183 but... you know, my father's father, my grandpa, 728 00:33:31,226 --> 00:33:33,794 who's in this picture, he served in the... 729 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,753 what was known as the Great War, the First World War. 730 00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:40,757 And, he never said a word about it. 731 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,979 And, I don't know how anyone can be normal 732 00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:47,286 after serving in the... the trenches, 733 00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:49,505 it's just-- I don't think it's possible. 734 00:33:50,419 --> 00:33:52,073 [motorcycle engine rumbling] 735 00:33:56,860 --> 00:33:58,906 [MacDonald] With respect to how bikers kind of 736 00:33:58,949 --> 00:34:00,386 formed up after the Second World War, 737 00:34:00,429 --> 00:34:01,952 these guys, and I understand, 738 00:34:01,996 --> 00:34:03,389 a lot of them were fighter pilots. 739 00:34:04,477 --> 00:34:06,131 I mean, they lived on the edge, man. 740 00:34:06,522 --> 00:34:08,350 [engines roaring] 741 00:34:08,394 --> 00:34:10,787 And then you're flying at 200, 300 feet off the ground, 742 00:34:10,831 --> 00:34:12,963 you're getting strafed from ground fire. 743 00:34:13,834 --> 00:34:16,097 And then the war ends, and you come home. 744 00:34:16,141 --> 00:34:17,403 [roaring ends] 745 00:34:17,446 --> 00:34:18,708 [water flowing] 746 00:34:22,930 --> 00:34:24,540 [MacDonald] What the hell are you gonna do, 747 00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:27,108 that even comes remotely close to that? 748 00:34:27,152 --> 00:34:29,110 I don't think it's becoming an accountant 749 00:34:29,154 --> 00:34:30,546 or selling real estate. 750 00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:31,547 [creak] 751 00:34:32,722 --> 00:34:34,159 Riding's become my life. 752 00:34:34,768 --> 00:34:35,986 [engine starts] 753 00:34:38,511 --> 00:34:39,860 [squirting] 754 00:34:44,038 --> 00:34:45,300 Bill Shokar. 755 00:34:45,344 --> 00:34:46,910 Firefighter and Acting Captain, 756 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,869 in New Westminster Fire Department. 757 00:34:50,566 --> 00:34:52,873 And the cultures between the Fire Service, 758 00:34:53,613 --> 00:34:55,136 and the whole motorcycle culture, 759 00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:56,442 kind of like an adrenaline junkie. 760 00:34:56,485 --> 00:34:57,878 [engine rumbling] 761 00:34:59,619 --> 00:35:01,490 Every time the alarms go off, it's that shot of adrenaline. 762 00:35:02,926 --> 00:35:05,190 -[sirens wailing] -[unsettling tense music] 763 00:35:08,367 --> 00:35:10,978 [reporter] And you're looking at the devastation here, 764 00:35:11,021 --> 00:35:12,806 at New Westminster Pier Park. 765 00:35:12,849 --> 00:35:15,722 A fire that started just before eight o'clock last nigh, 766 00:35:15,765 --> 00:35:19,769 so, it's been burning here for over 13 hours now. 767 00:35:21,336 --> 00:35:24,165 [engine rumbling] 768 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:27,037 [Shokar] A motorcyclist who's a firefighter, 769 00:35:27,081 --> 00:35:29,997 they're risk-takers, little bit of fearlessness. 770 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,520 [fire roaring] 771 00:35:31,564 --> 00:35:32,826 [man] I'm about to go down there, down below. 772 00:35:33,348 --> 00:35:36,177 [indistinct voices] 773 00:35:36,221 --> 00:35:37,961 [Shokar] So when you kind of marry that 774 00:35:38,005 --> 00:35:40,181 with being on a bike, that adrenaline rush. 775 00:35:40,225 --> 00:35:41,965 [engine rumbling] 776 00:35:42,009 --> 00:35:43,184 You know, you're riding something quite powerful. 777 00:35:44,838 --> 00:35:46,274 It's a tough thing to explain. 778 00:35:46,318 --> 00:35:47,667 Just a feeling. 779 00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:49,756 -[engine rumbling] -[upbeat music] 780 00:35:49,799 --> 00:35:51,627 [Shokar] Through the wind in your hair, and 781 00:35:52,019 --> 00:35:53,499 it's just nice to be free. 782 00:35:54,674 --> 00:35:55,936 [engine roaring] 783 00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:00,941 People, I think, reflect in different ways. 784 00:36:01,289 --> 00:36:02,943 Some people need to be in a quiet room. 785 00:36:02,986 --> 00:36:04,597 Whatever works for you. 786 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,599 But for me it's a great time to reflect. 787 00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:09,297 [reflective music] 788 00:36:10,864 --> 00:36:11,821 Hey. 789 00:36:11,865 --> 00:36:13,475 I got hired in 2003. 790 00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,391 2004, I lost my brother to suicide. 791 00:36:16,696 --> 00:36:19,960 -[Shokar sniffs] -[reflective music] 792 00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:23,790 [sniffs] 793 00:36:25,835 --> 00:36:26,706 And... 794 00:36:31,885 --> 00:36:33,321 You know, I went to a suicide. 795 00:36:33,756 --> 00:36:35,628 Similar age as my brother, 796 00:36:35,671 --> 00:36:38,196 in the same manner as my brother committed suicide, so-- 797 00:36:38,457 --> 00:36:40,633 As you can tell, that clearly had an impact on me. 798 00:36:41,416 --> 00:36:43,766 You know, the job really does take a toll on people. 799 00:36:44,463 --> 00:36:45,812 [engine rumbling] 800 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:47,901 [Shokar] And there is no handbook for that. 801 00:36:47,944 --> 00:36:49,685 Just get out on the open road. 802 00:36:51,513 --> 00:36:52,514 Nothing compares to it. 803 00:36:53,385 --> 00:36:56,605 [engine rumbling] 804 00:37:00,914 --> 00:37:02,176 [clicking] 805 00:37:12,578 --> 00:37:14,406 My name's, Erik Craig Bjarnason. 806 00:37:14,449 --> 00:37:17,974 I was Captain for North Van City Fire Department 807 00:37:18,018 --> 00:37:19,585 for the last 30 years. 808 00:37:19,628 --> 00:37:22,762 Everybody calls me "Paws," because obvious reasons. 809 00:37:23,153 --> 00:37:25,286 I was a member of North Shore Search and Rescue 810 00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:26,766 for almost 30 years. 811 00:37:29,072 --> 00:37:31,336 Every year, we would go travel somewhere in the world, 812 00:37:31,379 --> 00:37:33,729 and we just climb, and it was just a team-building, 813 00:37:33,773 --> 00:37:37,255 it's keeping our skills up, keeping our... 814 00:37:37,298 --> 00:37:39,169 brotherhood together, like, you know, 815 00:37:39,213 --> 00:37:42,042 if you spend a month in a tent, you either love or hate the guy. 816 00:37:42,564 --> 00:37:44,566 And these are all the pictures of... 817 00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:45,741 the hospital, 818 00:37:46,612 --> 00:37:48,657 but we were not prepared to live. 819 00:37:48,701 --> 00:37:50,833 [soft tense music] 820 00:37:51,834 --> 00:37:53,096 [newscaster] There is a crisis tonight 821 00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:55,490 in an extremely dangerous place. 822 00:37:55,534 --> 00:37:58,928 Three lives are in danger, high up Canada's tallest peak, 823 00:37:58,972 --> 00:38:00,800 Yukon's Mount Logan. 824 00:38:00,843 --> 00:38:02,715 The three are members of a rescue team, 825 00:38:02,758 --> 00:38:05,021 and now their colleagues are trying to figure out a way 826 00:38:05,065 --> 00:38:07,023 to save them. 827 00:38:07,067 --> 00:38:10,157 Three team members of ours are on Logan right now, and... 828 00:38:12,202 --> 00:38:15,118 Things do not look good. 829 00:38:15,162 --> 00:38:17,251 [wind blowing] 830 00:38:17,991 --> 00:38:20,385 [Bjarnason] We were hit by a sub-tropical cyclone. 831 00:38:21,429 --> 00:38:24,302 The storm ripped our tent apart, ripped our gear apart, 832 00:38:24,345 --> 00:38:25,999 left us with nothing. 833 00:38:26,042 --> 00:38:28,088 -[wind blowing] -[tense music] 834 00:38:28,131 --> 00:38:30,395 It was a very somber, surreal moment, 835 00:38:30,438 --> 00:38:32,179 because we all expected to die. 836 00:38:33,354 --> 00:38:35,791 [reporter] An Alaska National Guard helicopter 837 00:38:35,835 --> 00:38:38,751 plucked them from the windy ridge in a basket. 838 00:38:39,491 --> 00:38:41,449 I think one of the most beautiful pictures ever, 839 00:38:41,493 --> 00:38:45,366 because, it's basically, showing a birth, like, 840 00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:48,326 we thought we were dead, this is coming back to life. 841 00:38:48,369 --> 00:38:50,240 [newscaster] Those three climbers 842 00:38:50,284 --> 00:38:52,895 rescued from Mount Logan are back home in Vancouver, 843 00:38:52,939 --> 00:38:54,854 but not out of challenges. 844 00:38:54,897 --> 00:38:57,596 [reporter] But Erik Bjarnason is a firefighter who knows 845 00:38:57,639 --> 00:38:59,685 he may never pull a hose again. 846 00:38:59,728 --> 00:39:02,514 Frostbite has stolen some of his fingers. 847 00:39:02,557 --> 00:39:05,691 [tense music continues] 848 00:39:08,781 --> 00:39:10,391 [Bjarnason] The injury itself, 849 00:39:10,435 --> 00:39:12,132 like, I could explain that with science. 850 00:39:12,175 --> 00:39:13,655 This is how we're gonna treat it, 851 00:39:14,003 --> 00:39:15,527 this is where we're gonna amputate. 852 00:39:16,266 --> 00:39:17,790 And I'm thinking, 853 00:39:17,833 --> 00:39:19,139 you know, what do I do with my life now, 854 00:39:19,182 --> 00:39:21,924 like, a life-time of... 855 00:39:21,968 --> 00:39:25,275 work, is kinda gone down the drain in a few days. 856 00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:28,757 Now I'm useless. 857 00:39:28,801 --> 00:39:30,455 The world's a better place without me. 858 00:39:30,498 --> 00:39:33,458 So I went home, and... and there was a gun. 859 00:39:33,501 --> 00:39:34,546 And I thought about it. 860 00:39:34,589 --> 00:39:35,547 I thought about it long and hard. 861 00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:37,766 -Ah, excuse me. -No problem. 862 00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:39,072 Oh, fuck. 863 00:39:39,115 --> 00:39:42,205 [soft tense music] 864 00:39:49,822 --> 00:39:51,954 Luckily for me I'm a harsh drunk. 865 00:39:51,998 --> 00:39:53,826 So I drank till I passed out, 866 00:39:53,869 --> 00:39:56,263 and I woke up and there was a loaded gun in the bed with me. 867 00:39:56,306 --> 00:39:58,439 [tense music continues] 868 00:40:00,441 --> 00:40:01,616 You don't wanna leave, 869 00:40:02,356 --> 00:40:05,446 you know, a legacy of pain and sorrow, 870 00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:07,579 which was what suicide usually does. 871 00:40:08,014 --> 00:40:10,103 None of my family had any idea. 872 00:40:11,844 --> 00:40:13,976 I am in crisis, I need help, 873 00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:17,023 and that's when I saw the failures in the system, 874 00:40:17,066 --> 00:40:18,285 the failures in me, 875 00:40:19,765 --> 00:40:22,420 and I came up with a game plan, what do I need to do 876 00:40:22,768 --> 00:40:24,030 to get healthier? 877 00:40:24,073 --> 00:40:27,163 [reflective music] 878 00:40:29,644 --> 00:40:31,341 [engine starts] 879 00:40:33,518 --> 00:40:37,391 And now I find this, just riding. 880 00:40:37,913 --> 00:40:39,915 [engine rumbling] 881 00:40:42,527 --> 00:40:44,442 I have to credit it with saving my life. 882 00:40:44,485 --> 00:40:46,705 It took me away from the brink of the cliff. 883 00:40:46,748 --> 00:40:48,707 I know there's a lot of other firefighters 884 00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:50,143 suffering the way I was. 885 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:52,493 [engine rumbling] 886 00:40:53,146 --> 00:40:54,582 [Bjarnason] Because I want firefighters to know, 887 00:40:54,626 --> 00:40:56,279 that they're not alone. 888 00:40:56,323 --> 00:40:59,413 -[engine rumbling] -[reflective music continues] 889 00:41:18,258 --> 00:41:21,348 [muffled vintage song] 890 00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:24,090 [mumbling] 891 00:41:25,657 --> 00:41:28,486 Anybody that pays me, I do work for them. 892 00:41:30,966 --> 00:41:33,491 To all types of people. Lawyers, doctors... 893 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,017 Guys from motorcycle clubs, all types of clubs. 894 00:41:38,321 --> 00:41:41,411 -[rustling] -[song continues] 895 00:41:58,167 --> 00:41:59,299 [rustling] 896 00:41:59,865 --> 00:42:02,824 [song continues] 897 00:42:10,615 --> 00:42:13,879 -[clicking] -[song continues] 898 00:42:19,972 --> 00:42:21,539 [Bjarnason] Oh, that was perfect. 899 00:42:21,582 --> 00:42:23,105 [man] Oh, that's coming off right now, then. 900 00:42:25,891 --> 00:42:27,283 [Bjarnason] And that's why I'm fat. 901 00:42:27,849 --> 00:42:30,156 I was 185 when I started workin'. 902 00:42:30,765 --> 00:42:32,245 First of-- First of many. 903 00:42:35,944 --> 00:42:37,685 -[upbeat guitar music] -[Bjarnason laughs] 904 00:42:37,729 --> 00:42:40,558 That was funny, the first time I got... 905 00:42:41,515 --> 00:42:43,822 after my amputation, this guy cut me off. 906 00:42:43,865 --> 00:42:45,475 So I pull-- pulled up beside him, 907 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,086 and I'm honkin' the horn, and... 908 00:42:47,129 --> 00:42:48,174 I'm trying to give him the finger 909 00:42:48,217 --> 00:42:49,131 and I'm going like that. 910 00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:50,959 [others chuckle] 911 00:42:51,003 --> 00:42:52,439 And he couldn't tell what I was doin'. 912 00:42:52,482 --> 00:42:53,875 -[laughter] -So he goes... 913 00:42:54,876 --> 00:42:57,966 [others laugh] 914 00:42:59,446 --> 00:43:02,971 It took all the anger out of me. Oh, yeah. Yeah, have a nice day. 915 00:43:03,015 --> 00:43:04,625 [all laugh] 916 00:43:04,669 --> 00:43:06,235 [music continues] 917 00:43:06,758 --> 00:43:08,237 [indistinct voices] 918 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,197 ♪ One day in your life 919 00:43:11,763 --> 00:43:13,895 ♪ Shouldn't be a problem 920 00:43:14,635 --> 00:43:16,115 [Elmes] I think it was, filling that gap, 921 00:43:16,158 --> 00:43:17,856 to find what we were all looking for, 922 00:43:17,899 --> 00:43:18,857 that missing link. 923 00:43:20,032 --> 00:43:22,338 [clattering] 924 00:43:22,382 --> 00:43:24,776 I started researching other firefighter motorcycle clubs. 925 00:43:25,646 --> 00:43:26,647 And there was lots. 926 00:43:26,691 --> 00:43:29,041 [rhythmic clacking] 927 00:43:29,084 --> 00:43:30,520 But nobody wanted to come here. 928 00:43:30,564 --> 00:43:32,740 Nobody wanted to take that chances, 929 00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:35,482 you know, start one of their charters out here. 930 00:43:35,525 --> 00:43:37,179 [machine clacking] 931 00:43:37,223 --> 00:43:38,659 [Elmes] And it wasn't going anywhere, so... 932 00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:42,707 I decided to open a club. 933 00:43:43,185 --> 00:43:45,710 Group of guys, from other departments, 934 00:43:45,753 --> 00:43:47,276 being able to share and open up. 935 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,801 Brotherhood is still alive, it is real. 936 00:43:49,844 --> 00:43:51,454 ♪ You don't have to cry 937 00:43:52,455 --> 00:43:54,588 [Bjarnason] When I heard about the Florian's Knights, 938 00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:56,503 I heard it from one of my union reps, he goes, 939 00:43:56,546 --> 00:43:58,723 "There's a bunch of guys that ride around on Harleys, 940 00:43:58,766 --> 00:44:01,421 and, I think they do some good fund-raising." 941 00:44:01,464 --> 00:44:04,598 And it's the first time in years and years, 942 00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,992 that I felt any sort of brotherhood, 943 00:44:07,035 --> 00:44:08,167 with other firefighters. 944 00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:09,081 [men laugh] 945 00:44:09,124 --> 00:44:12,562 [song continues] 946 00:44:14,173 --> 00:44:15,478 [MacDonald] Some of the guys have 947 00:44:16,262 --> 00:44:20,483 networks, whether it's fishing, hockey, golf, 948 00:44:20,527 --> 00:44:21,528 families. 949 00:44:22,137 --> 00:44:24,574 And... some of us don't. 950 00:44:24,618 --> 00:44:26,707 [men laughing] 951 00:44:26,751 --> 00:44:29,884 For me, it, it's important. 952 00:44:29,928 --> 00:44:32,017 I need to have people to talk to. 953 00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:33,714 [indistinct conversation] 954 00:44:33,758 --> 00:44:36,151 The stuff I'm scared to talk about with others, 955 00:44:36,195 --> 00:44:37,762 I'm not really sure to express myself, 956 00:44:37,805 --> 00:44:40,155 or what it means, I'll talk about it here. 957 00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:42,288 You walk in here, and every guy knows, 958 00:44:42,331 --> 00:44:44,072 if you need to cry, you can cry in front of us. 959 00:44:44,464 --> 00:44:46,335 If you need to sit there in silence, 960 00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:48,250 you sit there in silence, we understand. 961 00:44:48,294 --> 00:44:50,209 Whatever you need, you get here. 962 00:44:50,252 --> 00:44:52,559 [song fades] 963 00:44:52,602 --> 00:44:54,430 I don't sleep well at night. 964 00:44:54,474 --> 00:44:56,041 I couldn't turn off the little voices, 965 00:44:56,084 --> 00:44:57,738 talking, talking, talking. 966 00:44:57,782 --> 00:45:00,349 I was self-medicating, like, I couldn't sleep at night, 967 00:45:00,393 --> 00:45:02,395 so I drank myself till I slept. 968 00:45:02,438 --> 00:45:05,528 For many, many years, I, I go back... 969 00:45:06,181 --> 00:45:08,531 -To the 1930's? -To the 1930's. 970 00:45:08,575 --> 00:45:09,837 [others laugh] 971 00:45:09,881 --> 00:45:12,666 We've had a rash of, of suicides, 972 00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:16,104 and depression, that didn't lead to suicide, 973 00:45:16,148 --> 00:45:17,627 but it's still there. 974 00:45:17,671 --> 00:45:19,760 This was all designed with the hope that 975 00:45:19,804 --> 00:45:23,416 the stigma of, saying, hey, I'm having trouble, 976 00:45:23,764 --> 00:45:25,505 that was removed, 977 00:45:25,548 --> 00:45:27,594 and there was a place eventually that you could go to 978 00:45:27,637 --> 00:45:28,813 and you get some help. 979 00:45:30,336 --> 00:45:32,077 We've talked to each other over some rough spots, and, 980 00:45:32,512 --> 00:45:34,514 it's just... it became a family. 981 00:45:34,557 --> 00:45:36,342 [song continues] 982 00:45:37,082 --> 00:45:39,911 Yeah, this tattoo here is... it's for my brother. 983 00:45:39,954 --> 00:45:43,610 It says... Oh, man... 984 00:45:44,176 --> 00:45:46,439 "Alone, you have the power of one, 985 00:45:46,482 --> 00:45:48,049 and together, you have the power of eleven." 986 00:45:48,093 --> 00:45:49,485 It's a saying for brothers. 987 00:45:50,748 --> 00:45:52,575 I didn't really know anybody very well, 988 00:45:52,619 --> 00:45:54,795 when I joined. I think all of us joined, 989 00:45:55,317 --> 00:45:58,233 for different reasons, but also some very similar reasons, just 990 00:45:58,277 --> 00:46:01,236 to try and portray a positive message 991 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,196 about our profession, about work-place stress. 992 00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:08,678 It's brotherhood, and again, just riding bikes. 993 00:46:08,983 --> 00:46:12,117 -[engines rumbling] -[song continues] 994 00:46:17,209 --> 00:46:18,645 -[song fades] -That was a great movie! 995 00:46:19,515 --> 00:46:21,343 [laughs] 996 00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:23,389 [laugh] 997 00:46:23,432 --> 00:46:24,999 [Elmes] You know, I made it. I made it real. 998 00:46:25,608 --> 00:46:28,786 I made a real firefighters' motorcycle club 999 00:46:28,829 --> 00:46:30,265 that was doing good. 1000 00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:31,658 Like, this was the point and the purpose, 1001 00:46:31,701 --> 00:46:33,486 and it-- it's-- it's reality, now. 1002 00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:35,662 -[laughing] -[indistinct speaking] 1003 00:46:35,705 --> 00:46:37,403 [Elmes] Like, the kids are in the back-yard playing, 1004 00:46:37,446 --> 00:46:39,405 they call all the brothers in the club Uncle. 1005 00:46:40,362 --> 00:46:43,017 They just... They just extended the family. 1006 00:46:43,713 --> 00:46:45,454 Yeah, there's no limit now. 1007 00:46:45,498 --> 00:46:48,631 We're here, we can move forward. The Florian Knights will, 1008 00:46:48,675 --> 00:46:52,244 you know, hopefully slowly, grow. 1009 00:47:02,907 --> 00:47:04,082 [Sabini] The group of us, we always 1010 00:47:04,125 --> 00:47:05,387 kind of have been doing stuff. 1011 00:47:05,431 --> 00:47:07,041 We were in another club together. 1012 00:47:08,913 --> 00:47:10,392 [Smith] We were with the Fire Riders, 1013 00:47:10,436 --> 00:47:11,698 that's the Fire Department's main, 1014 00:47:11,741 --> 00:47:13,482 big club. 1015 00:47:13,874 --> 00:47:15,354 We just kind of went our own way. 1016 00:47:16,485 --> 00:47:18,096 [Sabini] The other club could only be... 1017 00:47:18,139 --> 00:47:19,793 it was one chapter and that was it. 1018 00:47:19,837 --> 00:47:24,102 There wasn't anywhere to... a way we could grow. 1019 00:47:25,712 --> 00:47:27,235 Smitty actually approached me, 1020 00:47:27,279 --> 00:47:28,889 we drew a patch up, and everything. 1021 00:47:28,933 --> 00:47:31,500 Lookin' on-line, we had a couple ideas for names. 1022 00:47:31,544 --> 00:47:33,241 We came up with Florian's Legion, 1023 00:47:33,285 --> 00:47:36,070 because Saint Florian was a Roman centurion, 1024 00:47:36,592 --> 00:47:38,507 and he's the patron saint of firefighters, so 1025 00:47:38,551 --> 00:47:41,684 I'm doing a Google search on Florian's Legion, and 1026 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,208 Florian's Knights come up. 1027 00:47:43,948 --> 00:47:45,297 And my first instinct was, 1028 00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:46,689 "Fuck, somebody already took this." 1029 00:47:46,733 --> 00:47:49,301 -[rustling] -[upbeat guitar music] 1030 00:47:50,171 --> 00:47:52,652 [Elmes] I got an email, from Matt Sabini, 1031 00:47:52,695 --> 00:47:54,741 "We wanna be part of something, and we like what you've done, 1032 00:47:54,784 --> 00:47:56,830 your brothers from the Bronx FDNY." 1033 00:47:56,874 --> 00:47:58,658 [chuckles] Like, 1034 00:47:58,701 --> 00:48:00,268 it was the same guy trying to do the same thing, 1035 00:48:00,312 --> 00:48:02,053 on the east coast, in a different country. 1036 00:48:02,792 --> 00:48:05,926 I-- It was just all the same ideals and... 1037 00:48:05,970 --> 00:48:07,885 he had gotten the jump on me, starting it. 1038 00:48:08,798 --> 00:48:10,844 -[door rumbling] -[upbeat guitar music] 1039 00:48:11,627 --> 00:48:13,891 [engines rumbling] 1040 00:48:16,981 --> 00:48:19,244 Sometimes, you know, you-- you embark on a path, 1041 00:48:19,287 --> 00:48:21,855 as much as you, in your heart, 1042 00:48:21,899 --> 00:48:23,161 you know, believe in what you're doing, 1043 00:48:23,204 --> 00:48:24,423 there's always elements of doubt, 1044 00:48:24,858 --> 00:48:26,599 "is this really gonna catch on?" 1045 00:48:26,642 --> 00:48:27,905 [guitar music continues] 1046 00:48:29,341 --> 00:48:31,299 [Bjarnason] And to be invited into the Bronx, 1047 00:48:31,343 --> 00:48:33,606 you know, reminded me why we're doin' this. 1048 00:48:33,649 --> 00:48:35,956 This is bringin' firefighters together. 1049 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,133 Like-minded men, that like to ride bikes, 1050 00:48:39,177 --> 00:48:42,484 that it wasn't just a dream of, like, seven or eight guys, 1051 00:48:42,528 --> 00:48:45,313 it was a dream of firefighters in general. 1052 00:48:45,357 --> 00:48:47,315 [siren wailing] 1053 00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:49,622 [Elmes] You know, I based my career decision 1054 00:48:49,665 --> 00:48:51,885 off New York firefighters and their sacrifice. 1055 00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:53,843 And then they call me first, to be 1056 00:48:54,366 --> 00:48:55,236 the Florian Knights. 1057 00:48:56,368 --> 00:48:57,935 [Shokar] From the boys up in Canada, 1058 00:48:57,978 --> 00:48:59,371 you know, we're really excited to come down here, 1059 00:48:59,414 --> 00:49:00,589 you know, we are all one. 1060 00:49:00,633 --> 00:49:01,982 You know, we are you guys, and you are us. 1061 00:49:02,504 --> 00:49:04,115 We couldn't wait to get down here, and meet you 1062 00:49:04,158 --> 00:49:05,768 and make it official. 1063 00:49:05,812 --> 00:49:07,292 You always have a place to go to now in Vancouver. 1064 00:49:07,335 --> 00:49:08,423 You got a family. 1065 00:49:08,858 --> 00:49:11,818 -[reflective song] -[engines rumbling] 1066 00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:19,782 [Sabini] Have an even closer tighter-knit group of guys. 1067 00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:23,395 And if that can help other guys that are 1068 00:49:23,438 --> 00:49:25,484 dealing with stuff, to talk about something, whatever. 1069 00:49:25,527 --> 00:49:27,051 Doesn't have to be firefighting stuff, 1070 00:49:27,094 --> 00:49:28,617 could be anything. All right, come on, 1071 00:49:28,661 --> 00:49:30,968 let's go for a ride, let's grab some lunch, 1072 00:49:31,011 --> 00:49:32,970 get our... you know, clear our heads, 1073 00:49:33,535 --> 00:49:35,276 you don't even have to talk, let's just go for a ride. 1074 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,017 That's all it is, sometimes the ride's enough. 1075 00:49:37,061 --> 00:49:39,498 [engines rumbling] 1076 00:49:39,541 --> 00:49:41,239 [reflective song continues] 1077 00:49:42,675 --> 00:49:46,766 You know, when-- when the FDNY wants to be a part of you, 1078 00:49:47,158 --> 00:49:49,987 whereas most of the world wants to be a part of the FDNY, 1079 00:49:50,291 --> 00:49:51,423 that's very gratifying. 1080 00:49:52,859 --> 00:49:56,602 It just validates what you've been talking about. 1081 00:49:56,645 --> 00:49:57,820 [song continues] 1082 00:49:59,170 --> 00:50:00,345 [Smith] If I go down a hallway with you, 1083 00:50:00,388 --> 00:50:01,999 at two-thirty in the morning, to a fire, 1084 00:50:02,434 --> 00:50:06,481 I can ride with you on a bike, twelve o'clock in the afternoon, 1085 00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:08,135 on a 110-degree day, 1086 00:50:08,179 --> 00:50:10,790 just to put, whatever we do down here, 1087 00:50:11,138 --> 00:50:13,619 back there, and just, keep going. 1088 00:50:13,662 --> 00:50:16,448 -[engines rumbling] -[song fades] 1089 00:50:18,711 --> 00:50:21,975 [water flowing] 1090 00:50:29,722 --> 00:50:31,637 [Elmes] The guys had made that ultimate sacrifice. 1091 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,291 The guys had... 1092 00:50:33,334 --> 00:50:34,553 you know, I watched on TV, perish that day. 1093 00:50:35,728 --> 00:50:37,556 The guys that made me strong enough, 1094 00:50:38,209 --> 00:50:40,254 to continue my journey to become a fireman, 1095 00:50:41,255 --> 00:50:43,649 and then it brought me back, there. 1096 00:50:43,692 --> 00:50:47,044 -[water flowing] -[melancholic music] 1097 00:50:54,964 --> 00:50:57,445 So this is Eric Olsen, I was... 1098 00:50:57,489 --> 00:50:59,273 honored enough to go to his funeral. 1099 00:51:01,188 --> 00:51:03,016 Met all his family, his buddies. 1100 00:51:03,843 --> 00:51:05,105 Seemed like a great guy. 1101 00:51:11,155 --> 00:51:13,113 [Elmes] It was very touching, very moving, and, 1102 00:51:13,157 --> 00:51:14,854 and again, it just felt like, you know, we're not alone, 1103 00:51:14,897 --> 00:51:16,725 doesn't matter if we go to New York, 1104 00:51:16,769 --> 00:51:18,249 or if we go to Connecticut or wherever, 1105 00:51:18,292 --> 00:51:19,554 we're not alone. 1106 00:51:19,598 --> 00:51:22,644 [melancholic music continues] 1107 00:51:24,516 --> 00:51:27,475 [Elmes] I stuck to my guns, I-- I fought through the bad, 1108 00:51:27,867 --> 00:51:29,434 I didn't give up. 1109 00:51:29,477 --> 00:51:32,306 [music continues] 1110 00:51:36,005 --> 00:51:38,051 [Elmes] Those were the most meaningful hug I'll ever give, 1111 00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:39,966 my brothers in my clubhouse, the... 1112 00:51:40,009 --> 00:51:42,099 you know, I-- I hope those guys are watching, 1113 00:51:42,142 --> 00:51:43,796 from above, looking down. 1114 00:51:44,927 --> 00:51:47,626 The hug was for us, but it was for them. 1115 00:51:48,757 --> 00:51:51,108 And I feel that I represented 1116 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,372 all these guys as well, or I wouldn't been here, I think. 1117 00:51:54,415 --> 00:51:56,287 To be at this moment, that was... 1118 00:51:57,679 --> 00:51:59,942 it was just amazing, it was like... 1119 00:51:59,986 --> 00:52:02,597 it was right, it was a... we did everything right. 1120 00:52:04,077 --> 00:52:07,124 [melancholic music continues] 1121 00:52:09,604 --> 00:52:12,912 [engine rumbling] 1122 00:52:17,177 --> 00:52:19,571 [Cooper] For me, I know, and my partner would tell you 1123 00:52:19,614 --> 00:52:20,920 if she were sitting here right now, 1124 00:52:21,312 --> 00:52:23,227 that I'm a different person once I've ridden. 1125 00:52:24,228 --> 00:52:26,055 I-- I don't have to ride that long, 1126 00:52:26,099 --> 00:52:28,928 maybe two, three hours, but it clears the mind of 1127 00:52:28,971 --> 00:52:31,409 all the other things that go along, that build up, 1128 00:52:31,452 --> 00:52:33,062 and that pressure we were talking about before, 1129 00:52:33,106 --> 00:52:34,847 the filling up and the pressure inside... 1130 00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:37,980 -[horn roaring] -[sirens wailing] 1131 00:52:38,459 --> 00:52:40,113 You get on the bike, that doesn't happen. 1132 00:52:42,246 --> 00:52:46,075 And-- when the Florian Knights MC was 1133 00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:48,774 out there as something that I might be interested, 1134 00:52:48,817 --> 00:52:50,428 I thought, Jesus, that's really kind of weird. 1135 00:52:53,909 --> 00:52:55,563 [Cooper] We didn't even know each other. 1136 00:52:55,607 --> 00:52:58,262 The guys in New York, Nick out in the West Coast, 1137 00:52:58,305 --> 00:53:00,046 not-- we don't know each other. 1138 00:53:00,089 --> 00:53:02,048 We-- We found that we're in the Fire Service, 1139 00:53:02,091 --> 00:53:05,356 and we found that this stuff works for us, when we ride. 1140 00:53:06,792 --> 00:53:11,231 There's no bad side to what-- anything of what we do. None. 1141 00:53:11,275 --> 00:53:13,146 If there were, we wouldn't do it. 1142 00:53:24,592 --> 00:53:26,072 [Sabini] Everyone was riding on cloud nine. 1143 00:53:26,115 --> 00:53:27,726 We had two strong chapters 1144 00:53:27,769 --> 00:53:29,641 across the continent, in two countries. 1145 00:53:29,684 --> 00:53:33,035 We got Toronto, right now, it's just him by himself, but 1146 00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:35,342 it's growing quick, and it tells me, 1147 00:53:35,386 --> 00:53:38,084 there is a need and a void, to be filled. 1148 00:53:38,127 --> 00:53:40,347 Hm, kinda like a, fuck, yeah, where 1149 00:53:41,479 --> 00:53:44,438 where this club's gonna be huge, it's gonna be great, and... 1150 00:53:46,397 --> 00:53:48,268 yeah, and then... 1151 00:53:48,312 --> 00:53:49,835 [soft tense anticipatory music] 1152 00:53:49,878 --> 00:53:50,923 Uh... 1153 00:54:16,992 --> 00:54:18,429 [Shokar] Well, it's funny, 1154 00:54:18,472 --> 00:54:20,082 the timing couldn't have been any worse, 1155 00:54:20,126 --> 00:54:23,347 in terms of... if we were gonna fall, I think, 1156 00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:25,740 we-- we fell from the highest pinnacle possible, 1157 00:54:26,132 --> 00:54:27,699 especially after 1158 00:54:27,742 --> 00:54:29,178 just coming back from New York, and... 1159 00:54:29,875 --> 00:54:34,619 You know, reinforcing the bond, in New York, 1160 00:54:34,662 --> 00:54:37,448 and to come back, and have that happen... 1161 00:54:37,491 --> 00:54:40,755 I... can't think of any other way to describe it, 1162 00:54:40,799 --> 00:54:42,279 but, just a tremendous fall. 1163 00:54:42,322 --> 00:54:44,281 [distorted tense music] 1164 00:54:44,629 --> 00:54:45,499 Um... 1165 00:54:50,156 --> 00:54:52,419 [Bjarnason] I felt fantastic in New York. 1166 00:54:52,898 --> 00:54:54,552 We are creating something 1167 00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:56,945 magnificent, and we're creating it 1168 00:54:56,989 --> 00:54:58,773 right from the ground level. 1169 00:54:58,817 --> 00:55:02,429 It's gonna take off, it's gonna be well-received, 1170 00:55:02,734 --> 00:55:07,086 and then to be, kind of, thrown in the mud... 1171 00:55:07,391 --> 00:55:10,437 [distorted music continues] 1172 00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:15,137 [MacDonald] I like watching the evolution of the painting. 1173 00:55:15,616 --> 00:55:17,444 And the more you paint... 1174 00:55:17,836 --> 00:55:20,142 the more you can see in your head, what 1175 00:55:20,186 --> 00:55:21,927 in advance, where you're gonna go. 1176 00:55:22,797 --> 00:55:24,669 And then the other thing I like about painting is, 1177 00:55:24,712 --> 00:55:28,325 you can make mistakes, and you can fix them. 1178 00:55:28,368 --> 00:55:31,415 [distorted music continues] 1179 00:55:31,806 --> 00:55:33,199 [engine rumbling] 1180 00:55:34,243 --> 00:55:36,463 I tend to just lean towards no comment. 1181 00:55:37,290 --> 00:55:40,554 I go back to, you know, I'm not a fool. 1182 00:55:40,598 --> 00:55:44,558 The public perception was not good. 1183 00:55:47,953 --> 00:55:50,172 [Stephen] In my short period as a firefighter, 1184 00:55:50,216 --> 00:55:52,261 how seriously I take that, 1185 00:55:52,653 --> 00:55:55,395 and how much they should be valued, 1186 00:55:55,439 --> 00:55:57,745 in society and in the community, 1187 00:55:58,224 --> 00:56:01,009 and I would have quite enjoyed staying as a firefighter. 1188 00:56:01,053 --> 00:56:05,144 But, at the end of the day, I... I wanted to catch bad guys. 1189 00:56:05,187 --> 00:56:06,972 -[fast-paced distorted music] -[siren sounding] 1190 00:56:07,581 --> 00:56:11,933 That was my mission, and in 1987, I did what 1191 00:56:11,977 --> 00:56:15,633 a lot of firefighters would say, 1192 00:56:15,676 --> 00:56:20,202 was the... despicable act, and go... go to the other side, 1193 00:56:20,246 --> 00:56:23,467 but I did, I, I made the transition to police work, 1194 00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:26,252 so I joined the Vancouver Police Department in 1987. 1195 00:56:26,295 --> 00:56:29,255 So then in 2000 I went plain-clothes, 1196 00:56:29,298 --> 00:56:32,345 doing primarily outlaw motorcycle gang investigations. 1197 00:56:32,389 --> 00:56:34,303 And then, my last five years, 1198 00:56:34,347 --> 00:56:36,393 was at the Vancouver Police Gang Unit, 1199 00:56:36,436 --> 00:56:40,266 investigations into... localized crime groups 1200 00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:41,310 within the city of Vancouver. 1201 00:56:42,573 --> 00:56:44,705 [interviewer] And I wanna give that to you, 1202 00:56:44,749 --> 00:56:46,533 and I want you to tell me, what do you see there, 1203 00:56:46,577 --> 00:56:48,230 in that front-page photograph? 1204 00:56:48,709 --> 00:56:53,410 I see... three Hells Angels and a Florian's Knights. 1205 00:56:54,367 --> 00:56:57,457 And then I see... who I believe is Nick Elmes. 1206 00:56:57,849 --> 00:57:00,895 [soft tense music] 1207 00:57:01,809 --> 00:57:03,332 [Stephen] You know, Mom always told me, 1208 00:57:03,376 --> 00:57:05,639 you're judged by the company you keep. 1209 00:57:06,292 --> 00:57:09,295 [soft tense music continues] 1210 00:57:11,166 --> 00:57:15,127 [Stephen] That, that picture was-- was what caused me to... 1211 00:57:15,693 --> 00:57:16,998 to really react. 1212 00:57:19,436 --> 00:57:22,177 [anticipatory music] 1213 00:57:22,961 --> 00:57:25,485 [Stephen] The cruel and wrong horrific things 1214 00:57:25,529 --> 00:57:27,922 that the Hells Angels motorcycle club represents, 1215 00:57:28,445 --> 00:57:31,360 is nothing you-- you ever want to go close to. 1216 00:57:32,231 --> 00:57:35,364 [anticipatory music continues] 1217 00:57:38,019 --> 00:57:39,543 What their history is, 1218 00:57:39,586 --> 00:57:41,806 what they involve themselves with... 1219 00:57:44,461 --> 00:57:47,855 Significant drug trafficking, specifically, cocaine, 1220 00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:50,075 drug importation and trafficking. 1221 00:57:50,118 --> 00:57:52,338 We were involved in meth trafficking to, 1222 00:57:52,381 --> 00:57:55,515 to a huge degree, in Project E-Pandora, 1223 00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:57,691 hundreds of thousands of dollars of meth, 1224 00:57:57,735 --> 00:57:59,519 at the direction of the Hells Angels. 1225 00:57:59,563 --> 00:58:01,260 If you wanna leave the drug trafficking out of it, 1226 00:58:01,303 --> 00:58:02,827 and you just wanna talk about the violence, 1227 00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:04,698 the shootings, right, 1228 00:58:04,742 --> 00:58:06,787 the Kelowna shootings, the North Dakota shootings, 1229 00:58:06,831 --> 00:58:08,354 the... bombings. 1230 00:58:08,397 --> 00:58:09,877 Like, that's what happens, 1231 00:58:09,921 --> 00:58:11,749 like, violence follows the Hells Angels 1232 00:58:11,792 --> 00:58:13,533 or any outlaw motorcycle gang. 1233 00:58:13,577 --> 00:58:16,667 [anticipatory music continues] 1234 00:58:20,497 --> 00:58:22,020 [Stephen] I was a motorcycle rider once, 1235 00:58:22,063 --> 00:58:23,804 it's fun to ride a motorcycle. 1236 00:58:26,546 --> 00:58:29,157 The historical sense of independent, 1237 00:58:29,549 --> 00:58:33,292 easy rider, go your own way, right? 1238 00:58:33,335 --> 00:58:35,860 It's part of the Hells Angels' mantra, 1239 00:58:35,903 --> 00:58:37,644 is, turn your back on society. 1240 00:58:37,688 --> 00:58:40,038 [anticipatory music continues] 1241 00:58:42,214 --> 00:58:43,737 And these other Hells Angels 1242 00:58:43,781 --> 00:58:45,260 are looking to sanitize their image, 1243 00:58:45,304 --> 00:58:46,914 they're looking for guys like Nick, 1244 00:58:46,958 --> 00:58:48,525 to bring into the fold, 1245 00:58:48,568 --> 00:58:50,265 to say, "Hey, look, the 15-year firefighter 1246 00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:51,919 who's battling PTSD. 1247 00:58:51,963 --> 00:58:54,095 We're supporting charity, what's the big deal?" 1248 00:58:54,139 --> 00:58:57,490 And before you know it, I, I think you get sucked in, 1249 00:58:57,534 --> 00:58:59,797 to... to their culture, 1250 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,582 and now they can say, "Hey, we're-- all we're doing is 1251 00:59:02,626 --> 00:59:04,845 hang around with regular people, especially firefighters. 1252 00:59:04,889 --> 00:59:06,499 You know, aren't we great guys" 1253 00:59:06,543 --> 00:59:09,633 [anticipatory music continues] 1254 00:59:16,988 --> 00:59:18,903 It's just funny, how one sees the photo, 1255 00:59:18,946 --> 00:59:21,296 and look, and like, "Oh, there's... childhood friend." 1256 00:59:21,340 --> 00:59:24,735 I grew up in a neighborhood where... 1257 00:59:24,778 --> 00:59:27,564 some live, and some became, and... 1258 00:59:27,607 --> 00:59:29,609 I didn't dump on most friends for... 1259 00:59:29,653 --> 00:59:30,828 choosing their path in life. 1260 00:59:31,568 --> 00:59:33,221 I-- I posed with a friend of mine, 1261 00:59:33,265 --> 00:59:34,527 I saw my friend and posed with him. 1262 00:59:35,702 --> 00:59:36,616 I don't look at... 1263 00:59:38,226 --> 00:59:40,402 people sometimes for what other people look at them. 1264 00:59:40,446 --> 00:59:41,969 I just look at them, do I know this guy? 1265 00:59:42,013 --> 00:59:43,536 Yeah, he's friend I know, he's a good buddy. 1266 00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:44,668 Do I know his wife? Yeah. 1267 00:59:46,452 --> 00:59:48,193 And then, the allegations came out, 1268 00:59:48,236 --> 00:59:50,195 I'm like, really? You can do that, legally? 1269 00:59:50,238 --> 00:59:54,460 You can just tarnish somebody, deface them? 1270 00:59:54,503 --> 00:59:57,594 [unsettling music] 1271 01:00:11,608 --> 01:00:13,784 You know, when we wear this on the back, 1272 01:00:13,827 --> 01:00:18,615 I've been stopped by the police, six times in the last month. 1273 01:00:19,267 --> 01:00:22,793 I was asleep Sunday night, and I was a Florian Knight, 1274 01:00:22,836 --> 01:00:25,404 and I woke up Monday morning and I was something else. 1275 01:00:25,883 --> 01:00:28,929 [unsettling music continues] 1276 01:00:35,849 --> 01:00:40,201 I think it was a non-story that took on a life of its own. 1277 01:00:40,637 --> 01:00:42,595 Like, a friend of mine, 1278 01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:45,119 ran into an elementary school friend. 1279 01:00:45,859 --> 01:00:47,861 And because of that one picture, 1280 01:00:49,602 --> 01:00:51,648 my life's been turned upside down. 1281 01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:55,129 [unsettling music continues] 1282 01:01:02,615 --> 01:01:06,445 The appearance is very significant to them, 1283 01:01:06,967 --> 01:01:09,840 and there's a whole order-- order of that, right, 1284 01:01:09,883 --> 01:01:11,972 in the Hells Angels world. 1285 01:01:14,366 --> 01:01:15,759 We're gonna use a three-piece patch, 1286 01:01:15,802 --> 01:01:16,847 we're gonna use three distinctive 1287 01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:18,718 pieces of embroidery, 1288 01:01:18,762 --> 01:01:21,286 top rocker, a middle emblem, and a bottom rocker, 1289 01:01:21,329 --> 01:01:24,724 as being reflective of the outlaw community. 1290 01:01:24,768 --> 01:01:26,378 And to this day, 1291 01:01:26,421 --> 01:01:29,076 it's still a significant symbol for them, 1292 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,036 and a significant thing to say that it's a three-piece patch. 1293 01:01:32,776 --> 01:01:34,342 If-- If you're not 1294 01:01:34,386 --> 01:01:36,562 an outlaw club, if you're a regular club, 1295 01:01:36,605 --> 01:01:39,739 and you just like riding with your brothers and sisters, 1296 01:01:39,783 --> 01:01:41,915 then, again, my question to you is, 1297 01:01:41,959 --> 01:01:43,743 why do you want a three-piece patch? 1298 01:01:43,787 --> 01:01:46,659 Like, why do you want to emulate what they are? 1299 01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:49,531 It's obviously gonna affect your reputation, personally. 1300 01:01:50,097 --> 01:01:53,535 But now you're blending the firefighter community 1301 01:01:54,145 --> 01:01:57,714 with an organized crime club. 1302 01:01:58,105 --> 01:02:01,761 Nick Elmes, you're a hero, all the good you've done, 1303 01:02:02,196 --> 01:02:04,024 in your work, and in the community, 1304 01:02:04,416 --> 01:02:07,027 you flushed that, buddy. 1305 01:02:07,071 --> 01:02:08,942 [papers rustling] 1306 01:02:09,247 --> 01:02:11,902 [unsettling music] 1307 01:02:25,045 --> 01:02:27,221 [Elmes] Again, there's bad seeds in every organization, 1308 01:02:27,265 --> 01:02:29,267 but to paint everybody with the same brush is... 1309 01:02:30,137 --> 01:02:32,661 "Bikers are bad," that stigma's still here, 1310 01:02:32,705 --> 01:02:34,489 so let's just walk away from it, and... 1311 01:02:35,099 --> 01:02:36,143 that's it. 1312 01:02:39,059 --> 01:02:41,453 It's addressed to Mr Nick Elmes. 1313 01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:43,585 From the city of Burnaby. 1314 01:02:44,978 --> 01:02:46,806 "The City has considered your years of service, 1315 01:02:46,850 --> 01:02:48,460 and your disciplinary record. 1316 01:02:48,503 --> 01:02:49,853 However, this does not 1317 01:02:50,201 --> 01:02:53,160 mitigate the seriousness of your off-duty conduct. 1318 01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:55,815 Therefore, please be advised 1319 01:02:55,859 --> 01:02:57,556 that your employment with the City of Burnaby is terminated 1320 01:02:57,599 --> 01:02:59,688 for just cause, effective immediately, 1321 01:02:59,732 --> 01:03:02,387 and any and all rights to benefits associated, 1322 01:03:02,430 --> 01:03:03,736 ended immediately." 1323 01:03:04,258 --> 01:03:07,348 [unsettling music] 1324 01:03:11,396 --> 01:03:12,876 [Elmes] The first thing I did when I came home 1325 01:03:12,919 --> 01:03:14,878 was that I cut my patches off, 1326 01:03:14,921 --> 01:03:17,358 and I phoned Matt in New York, let him know what was up. 1327 01:03:17,402 --> 01:03:19,665 I surrendered my stuff, and... 1328 01:03:19,708 --> 01:03:20,884 -[click] -...had to... 1329 01:03:21,754 --> 01:03:22,668 leave the club. 1330 01:03:22,929 --> 01:03:24,496 And I was terminated. 1331 01:03:24,539 --> 01:03:26,498 I'm not active or retired, so I don't 1332 01:03:26,541 --> 01:03:28,805 fit the category of... being a member. 1333 01:03:29,066 --> 01:03:32,156 -[unsettling music continues] -[scrubbing] 1334 01:03:35,768 --> 01:03:38,858 [Carrie] All these guys, like, they all have their own issues. 1335 01:03:38,902 --> 01:03:41,208 And this was, was helping them, 1336 01:03:41,252 --> 01:03:43,689 a group of guys who actually understood. 1337 01:03:43,732 --> 01:03:45,734 Now all of a sudden that's taken away from him, 1338 01:03:45,778 --> 01:03:48,085 not to mention the fact that he can't even go back to work. 1339 01:03:48,999 --> 01:03:51,871 [unsettling music continues] 1340 01:03:54,395 --> 01:03:55,701 You know, and... 1341 01:03:55,744 --> 01:03:56,615 I... 1342 01:03:57,094 --> 01:03:57,964 [sniffs] 1343 01:04:05,798 --> 01:04:07,626 [Elmes] A misjudgment error on my behalf, 1344 01:04:07,669 --> 01:04:10,107 not thinking that it'd go to social media, 1345 01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:11,804 or someone steal it off social media, 1346 01:04:11,848 --> 01:04:13,675 someone use it to slander me or whatever. 1347 01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:15,373 At the end of the day, that's my fault. 1348 01:04:15,416 --> 01:04:17,201 I'll take responsibility for i. 1349 01:04:17,679 --> 01:04:18,985 Let everything else be. 1350 01:04:19,856 --> 01:04:24,164 The guys, in the club, suffer from mental health. 1351 01:04:25,035 --> 01:04:27,646 And this is what they found to keep them going. 1352 01:04:28,081 --> 01:04:30,518 You take that away from them, 1353 01:04:30,562 --> 01:04:31,955 now they got nothing to keep going. 1354 01:04:31,998 --> 01:04:33,870 [unsettling music continues] 1355 01:04:34,348 --> 01:04:38,265 [Shokar] Very quickly, I got a, a clear picture of... 1356 01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:39,571 the court of public opinion. 1357 01:04:40,006 --> 01:04:42,443 You're left just to pick up the pieces. 1358 01:04:42,487 --> 01:04:45,577 [train rumbling] 1359 01:04:50,060 --> 01:04:51,713 [Shokar] Or when something like this happens 1360 01:04:51,757 --> 01:04:52,976 and there's a fall-out, 1361 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,413 and there are unintended consequences, 1362 01:04:55,456 --> 01:04:57,197 there's also unintended victim. 1363 01:04:58,764 --> 01:05:00,548 To stand and fight to clear my name 1364 01:05:00,592 --> 01:05:04,335 would have meant bringing down the people around me. 1365 01:05:05,162 --> 01:05:06,511 [engine starts] 1366 01:05:08,165 --> 01:05:10,863 If my employer is now involved, which affects my livelihood, 1367 01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:12,430 which affects my family... 1368 01:05:12,473 --> 01:05:15,476 if it affects my kids' education, 1369 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,175 you know, when I get contacted by their... 1370 01:05:18,218 --> 01:05:21,656 educational institutions... it's not just me. 1371 01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:25,051 [engine rumbling] 1372 01:05:27,227 --> 01:05:30,361 [unsettling music continues] 1373 01:05:35,627 --> 01:05:37,542 [Shokar] I think every individual 1374 01:05:37,585 --> 01:05:40,110 that was involved at that time, had different things at stake. 1375 01:05:42,112 --> 01:05:45,550 The passion for the riding, was taken away from me, 1376 01:05:45,593 --> 01:05:47,247 to a certain extent, 1377 01:05:47,291 --> 01:05:49,075 I mean, I still get on my bike, I still ride, 1378 01:05:49,641 --> 01:05:51,817 which, you know, it's... 1379 01:05:52,426 --> 01:05:54,472 it's sometimes just tough to stomach. 1380 01:05:56,517 --> 01:06:00,260 Hard to put a value on that, or hard to really describe... 1381 01:06:00,304 --> 01:06:02,045 you know, how do you describe a void? 1382 01:06:02,959 --> 01:06:03,916 [music fades] 1383 01:06:07,659 --> 01:06:08,747 [Bjarnason] No, it was actually nice. 1384 01:06:08,790 --> 01:06:10,096 I really enjoyed living here. 1385 01:06:10,662 --> 01:06:13,882 And there's some things you can't come back from. 1386 01:06:14,231 --> 01:06:15,275 That picture... 1387 01:06:17,016 --> 01:06:19,279 kinda sent me right back to where I started. 1388 01:06:20,541 --> 01:06:23,762 When I was injured, I went to my union, 1389 01:06:23,805 --> 01:06:26,025 and my North End City Fire Department, 1390 01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:28,767 and told them I was having a problem drinking. 1391 01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:31,291 But because it didn't affect my job, 1392 01:06:31,596 --> 01:06:32,814 they refused to help. 1393 01:06:34,338 --> 01:06:37,210 When I actually asked for help, I was ignored, 1394 01:06:37,254 --> 01:06:39,212 and then, persecuted, 1395 01:06:39,256 --> 01:06:41,084 because I decided to put a vest on. 1396 01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:44,609 [unsettling music] 1397 01:06:54,706 --> 01:06:56,969 [Bjarnason] I've been with the Department 30 years, 1398 01:06:57,013 --> 01:06:59,276 and they were asking me, basically, if I was a criminal. 1399 01:06:59,319 --> 01:07:02,235 What we did, for peers to find each other, 1400 01:07:02,627 --> 01:07:05,586 go ride their bike, and hopefully heal a bit. 1401 01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:06,805 Right now, 1402 01:07:08,285 --> 01:07:09,199 there's not a lot of venues out there for that. 1403 01:07:09,547 --> 01:07:12,637 [unsettling music continues] 1404 01:07:15,509 --> 01:07:17,424 [Bjarnason] Like, if I lose this, 1405 01:07:17,468 --> 01:07:21,211 like, I've lost all my social interaction with people. 1406 01:07:21,994 --> 01:07:25,128 So I'll go back to that guy that's got the windows, 1407 01:07:25,171 --> 01:07:26,781 you know, down, 1408 01:07:26,825 --> 01:07:29,001 watching day-time TV, having breakfast beers. 1409 01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:32,178 [unsettling music continues] 1410 01:07:34,963 --> 01:07:38,054 When I... lost my hands, 1411 01:07:38,358 --> 01:07:41,144 I was so proud of myself that I didn't take painkillers, 1412 01:07:41,187 --> 01:07:43,494 'cause I know I have an addictive personality. 1413 01:07:43,537 --> 01:07:45,235 It was dealing with the... 1414 01:07:45,887 --> 01:07:48,977 the negative stigma of being injured, 1415 01:07:49,021 --> 01:07:50,588 in the Fire Department, 1416 01:07:50,631 --> 01:07:52,590 and then the bottle started calling again, and 1417 01:07:52,633 --> 01:07:54,592 you fight, and fight, and fight. 1418 01:07:54,983 --> 01:07:57,290 And eventually you give up, and every time you give up, 1419 01:07:57,334 --> 01:07:59,901 it's easier to reach over and open a beer. 1420 01:07:59,945 --> 01:08:01,120 Yeah, like... 1421 01:08:02,687 --> 01:08:04,819 this was never the way I thought I'd live. 1422 01:08:05,516 --> 01:08:07,822 [unsettling music] 1423 01:08:07,866 --> 01:08:09,955 [MacDonald] My brain lives in a very troubled neighborhood. 1424 01:08:10,521 --> 01:08:12,784 When I get in that state, I just-- 1425 01:08:12,827 --> 01:08:14,177 I quite often think about the people 1426 01:08:14,220 --> 01:08:15,569 that wanna live so badly. 1427 01:08:17,441 --> 01:08:18,964 You know, you hear people say, 1428 01:08:19,007 --> 01:08:20,792 "Come on, man, just pick yourself up. 1429 01:08:20,835 --> 01:08:22,533 Come on, don't be a pussy." 1430 01:08:23,708 --> 01:08:25,362 But if it was that simple, 1431 01:08:25,666 --> 01:08:28,321 we wouldn't be marching for firefighters 1432 01:08:28,365 --> 01:08:30,193 because they've taken their own life. 1433 01:08:31,846 --> 01:08:34,153 When you hear that it's a selfish act 1434 01:08:34,197 --> 01:08:35,720 to take your own life... 1435 01:08:36,155 --> 01:08:38,679 You piss into a hurricane only for so fucking long, and.. 1436 01:08:40,116 --> 01:08:41,813 you got tired of that shit. 1437 01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:45,295 Oh, the motorcycle club was a fresh start. 1438 01:08:45,991 --> 01:08:48,167 There was just no prior judgments. 1439 01:08:48,211 --> 01:08:50,256 I just got to walk in, and... 1440 01:08:50,604 --> 01:08:52,954 I found myself being myself again. 1441 01:08:54,478 --> 01:08:55,740 I actually love life. 1442 01:08:56,044 --> 01:08:59,178 I used to love laughing, and joking around, 1443 01:08:59,222 --> 01:09:02,834 and... I lost that for many years. 1444 01:09:03,356 --> 01:09:06,272 But with the club it definitely came back. 1445 01:09:09,667 --> 01:09:12,365 It would seem that it's the club's death. 1446 01:09:12,409 --> 01:09:16,456 Rightly or wrongly, it's... had the desired effect. 1447 01:09:17,588 --> 01:09:18,719 And... 1448 01:09:21,244 --> 01:09:23,768 we won't be riding as a club any more. 1449 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,640 What am I going to do personally, I-- I-- 1450 01:09:27,815 --> 01:09:30,122 I don't have an answer to that, as a 1451 01:09:30,949 --> 01:09:32,516 you know, a concrete answer. 1452 01:09:34,996 --> 01:09:39,000 One thing I just know for sure, I'll never stop riding my bike. 1453 01:09:43,309 --> 01:09:44,180 [dishes clatter] 1454 01:09:45,877 --> 01:09:47,487 ...fish and chicken bits. 1455 01:09:48,575 --> 01:09:49,446 [splatter] 1456 01:09:50,882 --> 01:09:53,406 Does everyone forget that there was zero criminality, 1457 01:09:53,450 --> 01:09:55,452 to this whole thing? Zero. 1458 01:09:55,495 --> 01:09:57,062 Like zero. Double zeros. 1459 01:09:57,628 --> 01:09:58,629 No criminality. 1460 01:09:59,151 --> 01:10:00,196 No one broke a law. 1461 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:01,545 I don't even have a ticket. 1462 01:10:02,328 --> 01:10:04,025 I don't have a driving infraction. 1463 01:10:04,548 --> 01:10:05,897 Screwed up my life. 1464 01:10:07,028 --> 01:10:08,726 You know, I screwed my wife up in the head. 1465 01:10:09,379 --> 01:10:12,860 Screwed up Paws, he's a mess, that guy's a drunk now. 1466 01:10:13,252 --> 01:10:14,862 Roddy, last time I saw him, 1467 01:10:14,906 --> 01:10:16,560 was screaming at the walls, hadn't left his 1468 01:10:16,603 --> 01:10:18,214 apartment for 36 hours. 1469 01:10:19,127 --> 01:10:23,044 Like-- Did-- Did someone win from this? 1470 01:10:25,699 --> 01:10:28,659 [unsettling music] 1471 01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:32,619 [Stephen] We're a little bit sheltered here in B.C., 1472 01:10:32,663 --> 01:10:34,752 because the Hells Angels have not been 1473 01:10:34,795 --> 01:10:36,623 really challenged. 1474 01:10:36,667 --> 01:10:39,583 It's easy for the public here in British Columbia, 1475 01:10:39,626 --> 01:10:43,195 to be apathetic and indifferent about the Hells Angels, 1476 01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:45,632 because they don't see the daily violence. 1477 01:10:46,938 --> 01:10:48,809 'Cause they will never get dow, 1478 01:10:48,853 --> 01:10:50,768 and reveal what they're truly all about, 1479 01:10:50,811 --> 01:10:53,336 that their sole purpose is criminal activity. 1480 01:10:53,379 --> 01:10:55,207 The people need to believe that. 1481 01:10:55,251 --> 01:10:57,165 The public needs to understand that and accept that. 1482 01:10:57,209 --> 01:10:59,429 We as the police need to remind the public, 1483 01:10:59,472 --> 01:11:02,475 and send a message to persons of that gang. 1484 01:11:03,476 --> 01:11:06,740 And again, it's the combining the PTSD issue, 1485 01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:11,919 the-- the-- per-- the-- and the perception th-- 1486 01:11:11,963 --> 01:11:14,922 the answer... is... 1487 01:11:14,966 --> 01:11:16,707 join the Florian's Knights, 1488 01:11:16,750 --> 01:11:19,057 and associate with the Hells Angels. 1489 01:11:19,492 --> 01:11:21,059 And that can help you. 1490 01:11:21,581 --> 01:11:24,628 And-- And that's-- And that's where-- where... 1491 01:11:24,671 --> 01:11:26,586 Hold on. Time out, man. Time out. 1492 01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:29,023 What have the Hells Angels done for PTSD? 1493 01:11:29,067 --> 01:11:31,330 Like, can you go over that for me? 1494 01:11:31,374 --> 01:11:33,463 Right? Where have they helped? 1495 01:11:33,506 --> 01:11:35,160 They create trauma, 1496 01:11:35,203 --> 01:11:38,032 they-- and-- and that's what they're all about. 1497 01:11:38,381 --> 01:11:40,470 So, that would be my opinion on that. 1498 01:11:41,427 --> 01:11:43,386 [engine rumbling] 1499 01:11:43,429 --> 01:11:44,387 [engine cuts] 1500 01:11:48,391 --> 01:11:49,783 [Smith] People take things, 1501 01:11:50,131 --> 01:11:51,742 they see you doing something like, 1502 01:11:51,785 --> 01:11:53,309 we go to a fire, we're breaking windows, 1503 01:11:53,352 --> 01:11:54,701 and they start yelling at you, 1504 01:11:54,745 --> 01:11:55,789 "Why you breaking the windows for?" 1505 01:11:55,833 --> 01:11:57,225 "Oh, you're doing extra damage." 1506 01:11:57,704 --> 01:11:59,358 Excuse me, I'm a fireman, 1507 01:11:59,402 --> 01:12:01,229 you're a civilian, you don't know what I'm doing. 1508 01:12:05,451 --> 01:12:07,323 [Smith] I'm releasing the hot gases 1509 01:12:07,366 --> 01:12:09,890 in there for the hose team, so when they come in, 1510 01:12:10,761 --> 01:12:13,677 the smoke rises, the temperature goes down, 1511 01:12:14,068 --> 01:12:16,201 but they only see me breaking windows, 1512 01:12:16,244 --> 01:12:18,072 so they get a little agitated. 1513 01:12:18,116 --> 01:12:20,727 [siren wailing] 1514 01:12:21,685 --> 01:12:23,208 [Smith] Now you add a bike into it. 1515 01:12:23,251 --> 01:12:24,905 Oh, and now you're an outlaw biker, 1516 01:12:24,949 --> 01:12:26,472 and now you're this, now you're... 1517 01:12:26,516 --> 01:12:28,953 No, that's how you perceive something. 1518 01:12:28,996 --> 01:12:30,215 Everybody should take 1519 01:12:31,695 --> 01:12:33,392 a couple steps back, look at the big fuckin' picture, 1520 01:12:33,436 --> 01:12:36,656 and see what everybody's doin', not just because of... 1521 01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:39,355 [thumping] 1522 01:12:39,398 --> 01:12:41,008 Look, at what... 1523 01:12:41,792 --> 01:12:42,793 that club's doing. 1524 01:12:43,620 --> 01:12:44,708 Something positive. 1525 01:12:46,666 --> 01:12:48,320 [Sabini] I'm, you know, I'm not ignorant, 1526 01:12:48,364 --> 01:12:51,236 and I'm sympathetic to the problems that 1527 01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:55,371 Canada has seen, with some outlaw clubs, and I've... 1528 01:12:56,676 --> 01:12:58,243 It's not always necessarily with the club, 1529 01:12:58,286 --> 01:13:00,158 sometimes it's individuals in those clubs, 1530 01:13:00,201 --> 01:13:01,855 and I told Nick that from the beginning, 1531 01:13:02,203 --> 01:13:04,597 especially in New York City, we're under the microscope, 1532 01:13:04,641 --> 01:13:08,166 and we cannot be associated... 1533 01:13:09,167 --> 01:13:10,951 in any kind of way with a one-percent club. 1534 01:13:10,995 --> 01:13:12,779 Hindsight being twenty-twenty, 1535 01:13:12,823 --> 01:13:14,955 he thought it was a personal photo, 1536 01:13:15,565 --> 01:13:17,828 that wasn't gonna be shared, with a childhood friend. 1537 01:13:18,568 --> 01:13:19,743 As far as I'm concerned, 1538 01:13:19,786 --> 01:13:20,831 that's the only thing Nick's done wrong. 1539 01:13:21,484 --> 01:13:25,270 And it's certainly not the consequences 1540 01:13:25,313 --> 01:13:30,014 that he's had to face, don't match... that, that slip-up. 1541 01:13:35,193 --> 01:13:36,760 [Cooper] I don't even know where that came from. 1542 01:13:36,803 --> 01:13:39,197 I-- It's incredible, because they got it wrong. 1543 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,068 They got it wrong then, they got it wrong now. 1544 01:13:41,112 --> 01:13:44,071 And unfortunately that was a tragic situation out there. 1545 01:13:44,115 --> 01:13:46,726 It's so easy to discern the one-percent guys 1546 01:13:46,770 --> 01:13:48,380 from anything else, 1547 01:13:48,424 --> 01:13:49,947 then there's so many people in Ontario, 1548 01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:51,122 there's so many people riding bikes, 1549 01:13:51,165 --> 01:13:52,558 that, the one-percent people 1550 01:13:52,602 --> 01:13:54,386 look like the one-percent people. 1551 01:13:54,430 --> 01:13:56,083 God love them, they're doing whatever they're gonna do. 1552 01:13:56,127 --> 01:13:57,781 And what we're doing, and what we're trying to do, 1553 01:13:57,824 --> 01:14:00,261 is we're trying to bring attention to illness 1554 01:14:00,305 --> 01:14:02,002 in the job that we love. 1555 01:14:02,394 --> 01:14:05,441 -Three-fourteen, responding... -[siren wailing] 1556 01:14:06,267 --> 01:14:07,443 [Cooper] You see, if somebody judge me-- 1557 01:14:07,486 --> 01:14:09,270 judges me by the way I look 1558 01:14:09,314 --> 01:14:10,881 and with the tattoos on my hands and everything, 1559 01:14:10,924 --> 01:14:12,491 they're gonna think something, that rather than what I am. 1560 01:14:12,535 --> 01:14:13,666 And you know what, that's too bad. 1561 01:14:13,971 --> 01:14:15,233 'Cause in this day and age, 1562 01:14:15,276 --> 01:14:16,277 we should be a little bit smarter than that. 1563 01:14:19,019 --> 01:14:20,673 [Elmes] I get it, I fit a profile, 1564 01:14:20,717 --> 01:14:23,241 I look a certain way, I'm an easy target. 1565 01:14:23,284 --> 01:14:26,418 It just wreckin' my reputation, you're wreckin' 1566 01:14:27,071 --> 01:14:28,986 a good club, you're wreckin' 1567 01:14:29,029 --> 01:14:30,553 what people are trying to change, 1568 01:14:30,596 --> 01:14:33,512 that stigma of bikers and motorcycle clubs, 1569 01:14:33,556 --> 01:14:35,427 you-- you just wrecked it again, 1570 01:14:35,471 --> 01:14:38,169 like, we're working so hard to change that, now... 1571 01:14:38,212 --> 01:14:39,997 you're taking it away, and it's like, no wonder 1572 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,174 nobody likes bikers, they just keep bashing everybody, 1573 01:14:43,217 --> 01:14:44,654 put us under the same umbrella. 1574 01:15:06,502 --> 01:15:09,505 [hissing] 1575 01:15:10,941 --> 01:15:12,203 [McLaurin] My name is Darnell McLaurin. 1576 01:15:13,639 --> 01:15:15,598 I go by the name "Tiny." 1577 01:15:15,641 --> 01:15:18,775 I pulled a nine-year old girl out of a four flat, right? 1578 01:15:19,427 --> 01:15:22,605 I'm givin' her mouth-to-mouth, it's pourin' down rain, 1579 01:15:23,301 --> 01:15:25,651 went into the hospital, we get her to the hospital. 1580 01:15:25,695 --> 01:15:27,305 Right before I got to the hospital, 1581 01:15:27,348 --> 01:15:28,959 I gave her one last breath, 1582 01:15:29,002 --> 01:15:30,743 she bit her bottom lip, I knew we had her back. 1583 01:15:31,222 --> 01:15:33,529 Right? We go into the hospital, 1584 01:15:33,572 --> 01:15:35,313 they tube her, they do everything, 1585 01:15:35,748 --> 01:15:37,707 little girl is living, right? 1586 01:15:38,142 --> 01:15:39,796 So you get off shift in the morning, 1587 01:15:40,231 --> 01:15:41,972 go to the hospital, 1588 01:15:42,015 --> 01:15:43,669 there's not a soul there with this nine-year old girl. 1589 01:15:43,713 --> 01:15:47,064 Not a mama, not a daddy, not a aunty, not a cousin. 1590 01:15:47,107 --> 01:15:49,109 There was nobody with this child! 1591 01:15:49,936 --> 01:15:51,721 But where do we vent all that out, then? 1592 01:15:52,330 --> 01:15:53,287 Right here. 1593 01:15:55,333 --> 01:15:56,552 Right here at this clubhouse. 1594 01:15:57,335 --> 01:16:00,468 [smooth rock music] 1595 01:16:03,559 --> 01:16:06,823 [door rumbling] 1596 01:16:10,914 --> 01:16:14,047 [engine rumbling] 1597 01:16:18,138 --> 01:16:19,270 [Gilbert] My name's Brent. 1598 01:16:19,313 --> 01:16:21,359 I'm with Detroit Fire Department. 1599 01:16:21,881 --> 01:16:23,622 I'm the National President 1600 01:16:23,666 --> 01:16:26,277 of the Axemen Professional Firefighter Motorcycle Club. 1601 01:16:26,886 --> 01:16:30,455 The City of Detroit... Go big or go home. 1602 01:16:31,021 --> 01:16:32,457 You know, that's how it is. 1603 01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:34,111 -[engines rumbling] -[music continues] 1604 01:16:34,154 --> 01:16:35,982 [McLaurin] Detroit is the Major League 1605 01:16:36,287 --> 01:16:37,505 of firefighting. 1606 01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:40,030 We'd been out fighting fires all week. 1607 01:16:40,073 --> 01:16:41,727 I had a messed-up call, 1608 01:16:41,771 --> 01:16:43,511 people arms was missing, legs was missing, 1609 01:16:43,555 --> 01:16:45,992 you know, head shot off, whatever. 1610 01:16:46,036 --> 01:16:47,864 We talked about it, 1611 01:16:47,907 --> 01:16:49,561 and now we're gonna ride about it. 1612 01:16:51,563 --> 01:16:52,912 -[engine rumbling] -[music continues] 1613 01:16:53,217 --> 01:16:55,480 So, pre-bankruptcy, post-bankruptcy, right? 1614 01:16:55,523 --> 01:16:56,655 It's all the same. 1615 01:16:56,699 --> 01:16:58,178 We're gonna hold each other up, 1616 01:16:58,483 --> 01:17:00,616 the Axemen, we're gonna hold each other up. 1617 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,488 We goin' make sure everybody get through the storm. 1618 01:17:03,531 --> 01:17:06,404 -[engine rumbling] -[music continues] 1619 01:17:07,535 --> 01:17:09,233 [Gilbert] Going through depressions, 1620 01:17:09,276 --> 01:17:10,321 and going through all these horrible times, 1621 01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:11,757 through all these years, 1622 01:17:11,801 --> 01:17:12,932 the Detroit riots and everything. 1623 01:17:15,065 --> 01:17:16,806 This is an outlet for us. 1624 01:17:16,849 --> 01:17:20,113 -[engine rumbling] -[rock music continues] 1625 01:17:25,162 --> 01:17:27,207 [Gilbert] As far as the motorcycle club, 1626 01:17:27,251 --> 01:17:30,123 we're all Detroit, it's on its own event level, too. 1627 01:17:30,167 --> 01:17:33,866 We got so many motorcycle clubs, it's ridiculous, and-- 1628 01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:36,086 I don't know of any other city that's really like that. 1629 01:17:36,826 --> 01:17:40,133 -[engines rumbling] -[rock music ends] 1630 01:17:42,745 --> 01:17:46,096 [indistinct voices] 1631 01:17:47,314 --> 01:17:48,228 [man yelling] 1632 01:17:48,272 --> 01:17:49,882 [rock song on player] 1633 01:17:49,926 --> 01:17:52,493 ♪ Don't come knockin' On my door ♪ 1634 01:17:52,537 --> 01:17:55,366 ♪ I don't wanna see Your shadow no more ♪ 1635 01:17:55,409 --> 01:17:58,543 ♪ 'Cause the lot Gets hypnotized... ♪ 1636 01:18:00,893 --> 01:18:02,112 ♪ Now woman up 1637 01:18:03,069 --> 01:18:05,376 ♪ Get away 1638 01:18:05,898 --> 01:18:07,683 ♪ American woman 1639 01:18:07,726 --> 01:18:10,816 -[song cuts] -[indistinct voices] 1640 01:18:17,301 --> 01:18:18,432 [Harvey] Let me take this off. 1641 01:18:18,476 --> 01:18:19,477 It's there. 1642 01:18:20,391 --> 01:18:21,697 My centerpiece. 1643 01:18:25,178 --> 01:18:27,659 Represents, man and a woman. 1644 01:18:28,442 --> 01:18:29,313 Family. 1645 01:18:29,835 --> 01:18:31,054 [slow rock music] 1646 01:18:31,097 --> 01:18:32,925 Club name is Hammer, 1647 01:18:32,969 --> 01:18:35,667 been part of the Boogie Down since about 30 years. 1648 01:18:36,537 --> 01:18:38,888 When I first came here, it was a nice beautiful city, 1649 01:18:38,931 --> 01:18:40,716 lot of houses, lot of people. 1650 01:18:40,759 --> 01:18:42,369 [indistinct voices] 1651 01:18:42,718 --> 01:18:44,284 It took a turn for the worse. 1652 01:18:45,024 --> 01:18:47,635 Detroit, lot of houses are burnt out right now. 1653 01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:49,681 -[indistinct voices] -[slow rock music continues] 1654 01:18:49,725 --> 01:18:51,596 Sometimes call it the murder capital 1655 01:18:51,639 --> 01:18:53,772 of the United States, you know what I'm sayin', so... 1656 01:18:53,816 --> 01:18:56,035 It's always been crime here, it's no 1657 01:18:56,383 --> 01:18:57,341 denying that. 1658 01:18:57,384 --> 01:19:00,126 [music continues] 1659 01:19:00,605 --> 01:19:02,302 We range from everything, 1660 01:19:02,346 --> 01:19:04,522 police officers, fire department. 1661 01:19:04,827 --> 01:19:06,872 [music continues] 1662 01:19:08,091 --> 01:19:10,615 Being a biker is us against the world, 1663 01:19:10,658 --> 01:19:11,877 and people... 1664 01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:15,315 they can be somethin' different here. 1665 01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:18,754 -[engine whining] -[tire squealing] 1666 01:19:19,842 --> 01:19:21,626 You almost become a superhero 1667 01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:23,802 in that sense, you know what I'm sayin', you just-- 1668 01:19:23,846 --> 01:19:27,197 Whatever you got inside of you that you always wanted to do... 1669 01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,416 -[engine whining] -[tire squealing] 1670 01:19:30,330 --> 01:19:32,506 You can do it without anybody botherin' you about it. 1671 01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:34,726 [engine whining] 1672 01:19:34,770 --> 01:19:36,380 You can just be you. 1673 01:19:36,423 --> 01:19:39,252 -[engine roaring] -[slow rock music continues] 1674 01:19:39,296 --> 01:19:40,950 [man] There you have it, ladies and gentlemen! 1675 01:19:40,993 --> 01:19:43,561 A complete circle from the Boogie Down. 1676 01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:45,041 Right there. 1677 01:19:46,042 --> 01:19:47,130 [music fades] 1678 01:19:47,826 --> 01:19:49,785 The riding, I enjoy riding, 1679 01:19:49,828 --> 01:19:51,482 it's just a whole different world 1680 01:19:51,525 --> 01:19:52,744 when you get out there on that bike. 1681 01:19:52,788 --> 01:19:54,441 [engines rumbling] 1682 01:19:55,312 --> 01:19:58,750 It's just... unexplainable, sometimes. 1683 01:19:58,794 --> 01:20:00,404 You know, the feeling that it gives you. 1684 01:20:00,447 --> 01:20:03,494 -[upbeat rock song] -[engines rumbling] 1685 01:20:22,078 --> 01:20:24,297 [Harvey] It's just a way of letting go of everything, 1686 01:20:24,341 --> 01:20:26,038 whether I'm gonna pay my mortgage or, 1687 01:20:26,082 --> 01:20:28,824 you know, the day-to-day, a lot of freedom. 1688 01:20:28,867 --> 01:20:31,914 -[song continues] -[engine rumbling] 1689 01:20:41,662 --> 01:20:43,751 [song fades] 1690 01:20:44,578 --> 01:20:47,668 [indistinct voices] 1691 01:20:48,017 --> 01:20:49,888 [Harvey] People outside of the club have 1692 01:20:49,932 --> 01:20:52,282 a stereotype of bikers, 1693 01:20:52,325 --> 01:20:55,459 which has always been, probably always will be. 1694 01:20:55,502 --> 01:20:57,853 They... label us as a gang. 1695 01:20:57,896 --> 01:21:01,204 -[engine rumbling] -[rock music] 1696 01:21:02,292 --> 01:21:03,597 Police down there. 1697 01:21:05,425 --> 01:21:06,731 I guess somebody pulled over. 1698 01:21:06,992 --> 01:21:08,689 That blue-red... [unclear] 1699 01:21:08,733 --> 01:21:11,257 [Harvey] It's not like we're angels, 1700 01:21:11,301 --> 01:21:14,478 you know, we've been involved in a few things ourselves, 1701 01:21:14,521 --> 01:21:15,740 'cause even like I say, we have people 1702 01:21:15,783 --> 01:21:17,611 of all walks of life here, so.. 1703 01:21:18,874 --> 01:21:21,485 Some clubs are here to... to rule the world, 1704 01:21:21,528 --> 01:21:25,402 and some are to just have fun, and-- Our agenda is not to be 1705 01:21:25,968 --> 01:21:27,360 terrorizing the public. 1706 01:21:28,492 --> 01:21:30,842 And so when they see us coming up the street, 1707 01:21:30,886 --> 01:21:35,107 two by two, twenty deep, they just like, 1708 01:21:35,151 --> 01:21:36,848 "Some bad guys, get out of their way." 1709 01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:39,024 We're firefighters, nothin' else. 1710 01:21:40,373 --> 01:21:43,681 [Gilbert] We've never had that problem with the police, 1711 01:21:43,724 --> 01:21:45,596 'cause they know who we are. 1712 01:21:45,639 --> 01:21:48,904 We've had to prove ourselves, over and over and over again, 1713 01:21:48,947 --> 01:21:51,428 and every time we set up a new chapter somewhere else, 1714 01:21:51,471 --> 01:21:52,777 they have to prove themselves. 1715 01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:54,300 We're here for the community. 1716 01:21:54,692 --> 01:21:57,825 We're not here for anything else, but that. 1717 01:21:58,304 --> 01:22:00,741 You know, I've blown by Detroit Police at 90, 1718 01:22:00,785 --> 01:22:03,788 they look at my back or... "Axemen, let 'em go." 1719 01:22:04,180 --> 01:22:06,312 Not every MC 1720 01:22:06,878 --> 01:22:09,011 -is like that. -[engine rumbling] 1721 01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:13,058 [McLaurin] 'Cause I feel bad for those guys in Vancouver. 1722 01:22:13,102 --> 01:22:16,583 And it's not just Vancouver, I've heard of other departments, 1723 01:22:16,627 --> 01:22:17,497 as well, 1724 01:22:18,585 --> 01:22:20,283 where they, got the option, quit, 1725 01:22:20,848 --> 01:22:22,241 or lose your job. 1726 01:22:22,285 --> 01:22:25,070 Not understanding what this guy is about, 1727 01:22:25,114 --> 01:22:27,203 not understanding what his organization is about. 1728 01:22:27,638 --> 01:22:29,683 Here's the way I try to explain it, right? 1729 01:22:30,641 --> 01:22:33,861 Just because I have a uniform on with a badge and a name tag, 1730 01:22:33,905 --> 01:22:35,646 I walked in grocery stores, and people be like, 1731 01:22:35,689 --> 01:22:36,690 "Officer, officer." 1732 01:22:37,082 --> 01:22:38,562 They ain't payin' attention. 1733 01:22:38,605 --> 01:22:40,390 All they see is the uniform, and they think I'm a cop. 1734 01:22:40,694 --> 01:22:42,479 But what they don't see is a gun, 1735 01:22:42,522 --> 01:22:44,002 they don't see a fucking 1736 01:22:44,046 --> 01:22:46,787 handcuff, they don't see all that other shit, 1737 01:22:46,831 --> 01:22:48,050 that cops wear, right? 1738 01:22:48,441 --> 01:22:50,487 Only thing they identify with is the uniform. 1739 01:22:50,791 --> 01:22:53,011 And so, the only thing they identify with, 1740 01:22:53,055 --> 01:22:55,753 when they see firefighters riding motorcycles, 1741 01:22:55,796 --> 01:22:59,844 is... a stereotypical... biker. 1742 01:23:00,192 --> 01:23:01,672 Right? 1743 01:23:01,715 --> 01:23:03,500 But, they need to have that opportunity, 1744 01:23:04,066 --> 01:23:07,069 to converse with me, and say, "Hey, no, we aren't... 1745 01:23:07,112 --> 01:23:09,027 what you perceive us to be, 1746 01:23:09,071 --> 01:23:11,508 just like, I may look like a cop, 1747 01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:14,772 but if you dig a little deeper, I'm not. 1748 01:23:14,815 --> 01:23:16,730 I'm just a firefighter in a grocery store, shopping." 1749 01:23:21,257 --> 01:23:24,260 Yeah, so these two, but... obviously these two, total loss. 1750 01:23:24,303 --> 01:23:26,523 That's where... [unclear] 1751 01:23:29,482 --> 01:23:32,050 [Nevin] The firefighters want to come to work and do their job. 1752 01:23:32,094 --> 01:23:33,443 They wanna have enough to do their job, 1753 01:23:33,486 --> 01:23:35,401 they want the equipment to do their job. 1754 01:23:35,793 --> 01:23:38,056 Cities like Detroit, maybe New York, 1755 01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:39,623 after what they experienced, 1756 01:23:39,666 --> 01:23:41,842 Toronto, Vancouver, your bigger cities. 1757 01:23:41,886 --> 01:23:45,411 The jobs of public safety had become more complicated. 1758 01:23:45,455 --> 01:23:47,848 There's cellphones, there's cameras. 1759 01:23:48,153 --> 01:23:50,155 We have to be more responsible, 1760 01:23:50,547 --> 01:23:52,462 and we should be more responsible. 1761 01:23:52,505 --> 01:23:55,856 We're held at a very high level in the public, 1762 01:23:55,900 --> 01:23:57,945 they expect us to act a certain way. 1763 01:23:58,294 --> 01:24:00,600 But when you're on your twelfth run of the day, 1764 01:24:00,644 --> 01:24:03,081 and you haven't slept and you're not thinking right, 1765 01:24:03,125 --> 01:24:05,257 and that you've only had a half a cup of coffee, 1766 01:24:05,823 --> 01:24:07,085 you make mistakes. 1767 01:24:07,129 --> 01:24:08,260 [rumbling] 1768 01:24:08,869 --> 01:24:11,089 [rumbling crash] 1769 01:24:11,133 --> 01:24:12,264 And then they go, "Well, look at that 1770 01:24:12,743 --> 01:24:14,353 silly guy over there, 1771 01:24:14,397 --> 01:24:15,702 or look at the mistake made over there." 1772 01:24:15,746 --> 01:24:17,791 [rumbling crash] 1773 01:24:18,357 --> 01:24:20,098 That you're a jerk now, 1774 01:24:20,142 --> 01:24:22,057 and the Department wants to shit all over you, 1775 01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:24,102 rather than get you into treatment, 1776 01:24:24,146 --> 01:24:25,103 and rather help you. 1777 01:24:25,147 --> 01:24:26,713 This union in Detroit, 1778 01:24:27,149 --> 01:24:29,977 has been begging for support for PTSD 1779 01:24:30,021 --> 01:24:31,631 and peer support help. 1780 01:24:31,675 --> 01:24:33,503 We've gotten none. 1781 01:24:33,546 --> 01:24:35,461 And what they'll do is, they'll use you for pictures, 1782 01:24:35,505 --> 01:24:37,333 they'll stand next to you on election day, 1783 01:24:37,376 --> 01:24:38,986 and they'll want your support, 1784 01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:40,466 and the minute it's over, you're done. 1785 01:24:40,510 --> 01:24:42,294 And then they'll cut your budget, 1786 01:24:42,338 --> 01:24:44,122 shut your firehouse, 1787 01:24:44,166 --> 01:24:45,732 and expect the guys that are left to do more. 1788 01:24:47,691 --> 01:24:49,214 It's bullshit. 1789 01:24:49,258 --> 01:24:51,260 And it's happening all across North America. 1790 01:24:53,653 --> 01:24:55,742 [engine starts] 1791 01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:58,397 [Cooper] There's a lot more of media scrutiny, 1792 01:24:58,441 --> 01:25:00,182 obviously, we're doing this, right now. 1793 01:25:00,573 --> 01:25:02,836 I mean, there's a lot more media scrutiny than there ever was. 1794 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,447 [engine rumbling] 1795 01:25:04,490 --> 01:25:06,579 And this is new to a lot of people 1796 01:25:06,623 --> 01:25:08,494 that are in the Fire Service, 1797 01:25:08,538 --> 01:25:10,235 and it doesn't always come off the best way possible. 1798 01:25:10,540 --> 01:25:12,237 Or portray us in the most-- in the-- in the best light. 1799 01:25:12,585 --> 01:25:14,196 And because we're-- 1800 01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:16,154 the whole world's been more decentralized, 1801 01:25:16,198 --> 01:25:19,418 through media and the internet and everything else, it-- 1802 01:25:19,462 --> 01:25:21,681 it can sometimes work against us. 1803 01:25:23,205 --> 01:25:24,989 People were applauding the fire trucks 1804 01:25:25,032 --> 01:25:26,469 when we were driving down the street to calls, 1805 01:25:27,296 --> 01:25:30,386 after nine-eleven, for a-- for a year. 1806 01:25:30,429 --> 01:25:33,084 We were nine hours away from New York. 1807 01:25:33,345 --> 01:25:35,173 We didn't do any of the stuff that happened down there, 1808 01:25:35,565 --> 01:25:37,480 but the perception of the Fire Department changed. 1809 01:25:37,523 --> 01:25:38,568 [man] Why not? 1810 01:25:38,611 --> 01:25:40,178 Now we're down the road, 1811 01:25:40,222 --> 01:25:41,832 however many years since nine-eleven, 1812 01:25:42,267 --> 01:25:43,834 that's gone away. 1813 01:25:43,877 --> 01:25:45,357 They think we're over-paid sometimes, 1814 01:25:45,401 --> 01:25:46,924 they think, you know, we're lazy, 1815 01:25:46,967 --> 01:25:48,099 or we're doing this, or doing that. 1816 01:25:48,143 --> 01:25:49,579 That's just the way that works. 1817 01:25:49,622 --> 01:25:52,147 That's unfortunate, because we were just 1818 01:25:52,190 --> 01:25:53,757 at a straight line, pretty well all the time, 1819 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,367 but the opinion can change, 1820 01:25:55,411 --> 01:25:57,108 based on what else is going on around. 1821 01:25:57,152 --> 01:25:58,762 -[indistinct voices] -[unsettling music] 1822 01:25:58,805 --> 01:26:00,329 [MacDonald] The dangers are constant. 1823 01:26:01,068 --> 01:26:04,028 They should remember that, when they see 1824 01:26:05,116 --> 01:26:06,422 these articles. 1825 01:26:08,119 --> 01:26:09,512 Come to your senses. 1826 01:26:09,555 --> 01:26:11,122 Remember what we're about. 1827 01:26:11,731 --> 01:26:13,385 Remember what we've done. 1828 01:26:13,429 --> 01:26:15,213 [unsettling music continues] 1829 01:26:15,257 --> 01:26:18,782 [Sabini] If there's another terrorist attack... 1830 01:26:18,825 --> 01:26:22,177 in the city, we're there, we're the front lines, we're... 1831 01:26:22,786 --> 01:26:25,702 We're the first wave, it's gonna get, you know, 1832 01:26:26,006 --> 01:26:26,877 to be in it. 1833 01:26:28,183 --> 01:26:30,315 [cheering] 1834 01:26:30,359 --> 01:26:34,058 [man] We're just, literally, arriving at our destination. 1835 01:26:34,101 --> 01:26:35,538 Finally. 1836 01:26:35,581 --> 01:26:37,235 We're, what, three, four hours late, 1837 01:26:37,279 --> 01:26:38,280 but here we are. 1838 01:26:39,542 --> 01:26:41,108 [man 2] I got one question for you! 1839 01:26:41,152 --> 01:26:46,897 Are you ready? 1840 01:26:46,940 --> 01:26:53,991 Your 2019 NBA champion, Toronto Raptors! 1841 01:26:54,687 --> 01:26:56,428 It's the question of, 1842 01:26:56,472 --> 01:26:58,038 sort of balancing what your experience is 1843 01:26:58,082 --> 01:26:59,170 and what your training is. 1844 01:26:59,214 --> 01:27:00,824 We train for these events. 1845 01:27:01,128 --> 01:27:03,087 We know that there will be large crowds. 1846 01:27:04,175 --> 01:27:09,920 [man 3] The NBA title is yours! 1847 01:27:11,095 --> 01:27:12,401 The ones that make you think, 1848 01:27:12,444 --> 01:27:13,967 are the ones that, being unable to 1849 01:27:14,011 --> 01:27:16,143 address all the issues that happen at the time. 1850 01:27:16,187 --> 01:27:18,015 [man 4] They needed to create 1851 01:27:18,058 --> 01:27:20,409 a locker room of respect and regard. 1852 01:27:20,757 --> 01:27:23,977 I wanna make sure everybody stays calm right now. 1853 01:27:24,282 --> 01:27:26,589 Okay, please, stay calm. 1854 01:27:26,632 --> 01:27:29,635 If-- We're dealing-- I'm getting information 1855 01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:31,550 that we're dealing with a situation 1856 01:27:31,594 --> 01:27:32,595 that's not far from here. 1857 01:27:32,638 --> 01:27:33,770 This is serious. 1858 01:27:33,813 --> 01:27:34,727 [gunshots] 1859 01:27:34,771 --> 01:27:35,815 [screaming] 1860 01:27:35,859 --> 01:27:37,861 [indistinct announcement] 1861 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,082 [newscaster] I wanna go to my colleague, 1862 01:27:42,126 --> 01:27:44,259 Shepard Smith, apparently a shooting in Toronto? 1863 01:27:45,129 --> 01:27:47,000 [reporter] Reports of woman shot, 1864 01:27:47,044 --> 01:27:49,699 people running from the area, police, EMS on scene. 1865 01:27:49,742 --> 01:27:51,831 Unknown what the injuries are. 1866 01:27:51,875 --> 01:27:53,355 -[indistinct voices] -[sirens wailing] 1867 01:27:54,530 --> 01:27:57,272 -[indistinct voices] -[unsettling anticipatory music] 1868 01:28:01,188 --> 01:28:02,668 And we do not 1869 01:28:02,712 --> 01:28:05,280 stand back and wait for a police presence 1870 01:28:05,323 --> 01:28:06,890 or anything else like that, we go do it. 1871 01:28:06,933 --> 01:28:10,197 -[sirens wailing] -[anticipatory music continues] 1872 01:28:12,156 --> 01:28:14,289 [indistinct voices] 1873 01:28:18,467 --> 01:28:23,385 -[sirens wailing] -[music continues] 1874 01:28:23,428 --> 01:28:26,910 [tense music] 1875 01:28:30,392 --> 01:28:32,350 [Cooper] And there were somewhere in the neighborhood f 1876 01:28:32,394 --> 01:28:36,354 249 calls in the four hours that the event was taking place. 1877 01:28:38,530 --> 01:28:40,750 There was a child this morning, before we started the event, 1878 01:28:41,228 --> 01:28:42,752 that was a six-month old infant, 1879 01:28:42,795 --> 01:28:44,144 got crushed in the baby cares today. 1880 01:28:45,232 --> 01:28:46,973 Probably haven't seen that before, 1881 01:28:47,017 --> 01:28:48,323 now they have that in the back of their minds, 1882 01:28:48,366 --> 01:28:49,759 when they have these events, 1883 01:28:49,802 --> 01:28:51,369 or maybe it stays with them, even worse than that. 1884 01:28:54,285 --> 01:28:56,592 Now that you're gonna see more injuries more often, 1885 01:28:56,635 --> 01:28:58,071 and more gruesome injuries. 1886 01:28:58,115 --> 01:28:59,638 As the officer, 1887 01:28:59,682 --> 01:29:01,684 my concern is to be thinking about my crew. 1888 01:29:01,727 --> 01:29:03,512 'Cause they're-- Those are the people 1889 01:29:03,555 --> 01:29:06,384 their spouses, I have to talk to afterward. 1890 01:29:06,428 --> 01:29:07,690 They don't call somebody else. 1891 01:29:09,605 --> 01:29:11,607 [hissing] 1892 01:29:12,521 --> 01:29:14,349 If you're also feeling that way, 1893 01:29:14,392 --> 01:29:16,220 you know what, speak up, let's talk about this. 1894 01:29:16,699 --> 01:29:18,527 Let's, you know, let's talk about this, 1895 01:29:18,570 --> 01:29:20,398 and get some kind of... 1896 01:29:20,442 --> 01:29:22,531 repartee going on amongst ourselves, 1897 01:29:22,574 --> 01:29:24,097 so that we can address this, 1898 01:29:24,141 --> 01:29:25,795 so that we don't lose more people. 1899 01:29:25,838 --> 01:29:28,188 -[indistinct voices] -[reflective music] 1900 01:29:30,060 --> 01:29:33,150 [engines rumbling] 1901 01:29:36,371 --> 01:29:39,504 [Cooper] And that's why, when Florian's Knights were developed 1902 01:29:39,548 --> 01:29:41,376 and they had a goal, you know, they had-- 1903 01:29:41,419 --> 01:29:44,291 they knew that people were suffering from PTSD, 1904 01:29:44,683 --> 01:29:46,119 and they wanted to try to do-- 1905 01:29:46,163 --> 01:29:47,860 to help something with that particular 1906 01:29:47,904 --> 01:29:51,211 rather than a big space, because there is a space there. 1907 01:29:51,255 --> 01:29:52,343 [engine rumbling] 1908 01:29:54,606 --> 01:29:56,478 [reflective song] 1909 01:29:56,521 --> 01:29:59,742 [Sabini] In nine months, unfortunately, since, you know, 1910 01:29:59,785 --> 01:30:02,179 we've lost the Lower Mainland Chapter, we got 1911 01:30:02,658 --> 01:30:04,834 a couple of guys start up in Boston, 1912 01:30:04,877 --> 01:30:07,663 London, England, and Toronto. 1913 01:30:09,099 --> 01:30:11,754 It's for all firefighters, for all of us. 1914 01:30:12,363 --> 01:30:14,800 If people don't wanna hear about it, or they... 1915 01:30:16,498 --> 01:30:18,413 they wanna spin their truth, then, 1916 01:30:18,456 --> 01:30:19,457 fuck 'em. 1917 01:30:19,501 --> 01:30:21,111 We're gonna keep doin' 1918 01:30:21,154 --> 01:30:22,895 what we're doin', 'cause we know we're doin' the right thing. 1919 01:30:23,287 --> 01:30:26,377 -[crackling explosions] -[song continues] 1920 01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:34,559 [dispatcher indistinct] 1921 01:30:34,603 --> 01:30:36,343 What's up, guys? 1922 01:30:36,387 --> 01:30:38,084 [Nevin] Well, you know, when you're a union guy, 1923 01:30:38,128 --> 01:30:39,434 you become... 1924 01:30:39,999 --> 01:30:41,827 There's so much coming at you, 1925 01:30:41,871 --> 01:30:44,047 with negotiations and economics and stuff, that 1926 01:30:44,090 --> 01:30:46,049 sometimes you forget a little bit. 1927 01:30:46,571 --> 01:30:48,443 You know, when you guys came in here, 1928 01:30:48,486 --> 01:30:49,792 and you mentioned that you were going to New York, 1929 01:30:49,835 --> 01:30:52,098 and Vancouver and Toronto, and... 1930 01:30:52,142 --> 01:30:54,187 you were in Detroit, you know, 1931 01:30:54,623 --> 01:30:57,843 you kinda kick me in the rear a little bit, you know, and... 1932 01:30:57,887 --> 01:31:01,630 So I filed this little lawsuit, yesterday, 1933 01:31:02,195 --> 01:31:05,198 and it's for every single member on the Detroit Fire Department. 1934 01:31:05,242 --> 01:31:06,852 I've got all their names, 1935 01:31:06,896 --> 01:31:09,072 I listed here every single person. 1936 01:31:09,115 --> 01:31:11,335 The City's failure to 1937 01:31:11,901 --> 01:31:15,382 supply us with any type of real PTSD 1938 01:31:15,426 --> 01:31:19,169 procedure, because, enough is enough. 1939 01:31:19,996 --> 01:31:23,042 -[indistinct voice on radio] -[reflective song continues] 1940 01:31:29,571 --> 01:31:32,617 [reflective song continues] 1941 01:31:41,104 --> 01:31:42,975 [clinking] 1942 01:31:50,635 --> 01:31:53,986 -[blades whirring] -[song continues] 1943 01:31:59,644 --> 01:32:01,603 [Bjarnason] Well, I always knew I'd come back to Logan, 1944 01:32:01,646 --> 01:32:04,214 it's one of the most beautiful places on earth. 1945 01:32:04,519 --> 01:32:06,956 [reflective song continues] 1946 01:32:08,523 --> 01:32:10,699 And I'd rather take my chance on the mountain, 1947 01:32:10,742 --> 01:32:13,353 than give my life to the Fire Department. 1948 01:32:13,397 --> 01:32:16,792 -[blades whirring] -[song continues] 1949 01:32:58,050 --> 01:33:00,618 [MacDonald] People with PTSD can isolate. 1950 01:33:02,228 --> 01:33:04,491 Everything has to be dealt with in your head. 1951 01:33:04,535 --> 01:33:06,102 [reflective song continues] 1952 01:33:06,624 --> 01:33:08,626 And sometimes doesn't work out very good. 1953 01:33:08,670 --> 01:33:11,324 The team of one fails and crashes, 1954 01:33:11,368 --> 01:33:13,544 and you can get lost pretty quick. 1955 01:33:16,199 --> 01:33:19,289 -[engine rumbling] -[song continues] 1956 01:33:19,985 --> 01:33:22,292 [MacDonald] And it was great to have a fresh start, 1957 01:33:22,335 --> 01:33:23,423 in a sense, with the club. 1958 01:33:24,729 --> 01:33:26,209 I have a feeling that they've saved my life. 1959 01:33:32,868 --> 01:33:35,000 [song continues] 1960 01:33:35,610 --> 01:33:39,309 [Stephen] I've seen PTSD up close and personal, 1961 01:33:39,744 --> 01:33:42,007 and what a horrifying thing that is. Right? 1962 01:33:42,355 --> 01:33:45,141 -[indistinct voices] -[reflective song continues] 1963 01:33:45,837 --> 01:33:48,361 [Stephen] We talk about the New York Florian's Knights, 1964 01:33:48,710 --> 01:33:52,714 about the positiveness, that they're all about, right. 1965 01:33:53,149 --> 01:33:56,761 And perhaps it needs to be maintained, 1966 01:33:56,805 --> 01:33:59,111 and it needs to be built up. 1967 01:33:59,155 --> 01:34:02,027 [engine rumbling] 1968 01:34:02,071 --> 01:34:03,681 [Sabini] You know, we've been going 1969 01:34:03,725 --> 01:34:04,900 to other people's events and saying hi, 1970 01:34:04,943 --> 01:34:06,728 but this is our chance to say, 1971 01:34:06,771 --> 01:34:08,991 you know, this is us, this is what we're about. 1972 01:34:09,034 --> 01:34:10,688 The biker community's coming together. 1973 01:34:10,732 --> 01:34:13,299 [man] Don't stay in the way. Don't worry about it. 1974 01:34:13,343 --> 01:34:14,866 [Sabini] It has nothin' to do with 1975 01:34:14,910 --> 01:34:16,520 how many patches we have on our back. 1976 01:34:16,563 --> 01:34:19,044 That doesn't make a motorcycle club an outlaw. 1977 01:34:19,088 --> 01:34:22,265 -[engines rumbling] -[reflective music] 1978 01:34:31,622 --> 01:34:33,319 [Stephen] What was going on here, 1979 01:34:33,363 --> 01:34:37,019 and what it represented here, in my view... 1980 01:34:37,062 --> 01:34:38,803 was not a positive thing. 1981 01:34:39,630 --> 01:34:41,414 I-- I hope it changes, right. 1982 01:34:41,458 --> 01:34:42,589 I really do. 1983 01:34:42,633 --> 01:34:44,766 I really hope, as firefighters, 1984 01:34:45,157 --> 01:34:47,507 that those particular guys can find a... 1985 01:34:47,943 --> 01:34:51,120 can, you know, a good ending to their journey. 1986 01:34:51,163 --> 01:34:54,384 You know, but, but, it ain't gonna be... 1987 01:34:54,427 --> 01:34:55,428 with those dudes. 1988 01:34:58,518 --> 01:35:01,565 [reflective song continues] 1989 01:35:09,399 --> 01:35:10,530 [Elmes] I don't hear... 1990 01:35:12,141 --> 01:35:14,230 Bill hasn't called me since the day the article comes out. 1991 01:35:14,621 --> 01:35:16,188 I haven't seen Roddy much, 1992 01:35:16,232 --> 01:35:17,929 he's been struggling and suffering with stuff, 1993 01:35:17,973 --> 01:35:19,757 and no one's reached out to offer a hand, 1994 01:35:19,801 --> 01:35:20,715 let's put it that way. 1995 01:35:21,150 --> 01:35:24,196 [reflective song continues] 1996 01:35:29,419 --> 01:35:31,769 I really know who my real friends are. 1997 01:35:32,857 --> 01:35:35,686 [reflective song continues] 1998 01:35:54,226 --> 01:35:55,053 [song ends] 1999 01:35:55,575 --> 01:35:58,622 [scratching] 2000 01:36:00,102 --> 01:36:01,581 [MacDonald] It's part of the job. 2001 01:36:02,234 --> 01:36:04,802 But it doesn't have to be part of the rest of your life. 2002 01:36:07,196 --> 01:36:08,893 If we get the proper care... 2003 01:36:12,854 --> 01:36:15,770 And, you know, we're being filmed here, 2004 01:36:18,860 --> 01:36:22,167 and... then... 2005 01:36:22,211 --> 01:36:24,822 talk about how important is my motorcycle. 2006 01:36:25,649 --> 01:36:27,869 I'm still dealing with the rest of my life. 2007 01:36:32,264 --> 01:36:37,356 And the motorcycle is my medicine. 2008 01:36:41,491 --> 01:36:44,537 -[gulls cawing] -[surf flowing] 2009 01:36:55,505 --> 01:36:58,595 [Vaughn] I'm Don Vaughn, and I'm a neuroscientist at UCLA. 2010 01:37:00,379 --> 01:37:02,773 I just became fascinated with how 2011 01:37:03,121 --> 01:37:05,689 our hopes and dreams and our emotions 2012 01:37:05,732 --> 01:37:08,431 and our behaviors are all intertwined, 2013 01:37:08,474 --> 01:37:10,041 with this biology in our head. 2014 01:37:10,476 --> 01:37:14,524 And trying to understand what happens, when it breaks. 2015 01:37:14,567 --> 01:37:17,527 When soldiers started coming back from the war in Iraq 2016 01:37:17,570 --> 01:37:20,747 with extra-ordinarily high rates of PTSD, 2017 01:37:21,139 --> 01:37:23,098 they didn't get a lot of support at first. 2018 01:37:23,141 --> 01:37:25,840 And it took a lot of doctors and scientists 2019 01:37:25,883 --> 01:37:28,277 testifying, to actually say, "This is real, 2020 01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:29,844 here are the brain scans, 2021 01:37:30,105 --> 01:37:31,802 there's something actually going on here, 2022 01:37:31,846 --> 01:37:33,108 this isn't malingering." 2023 01:37:33,151 --> 01:37:34,892 Sometimes change takes hard evidence. 2024 01:37:34,936 --> 01:37:36,241 [crackling] 2025 01:37:36,981 --> 01:37:38,765 [Vaughn] So, post September 11th, 2026 01:37:40,115 --> 01:37:42,726 when the whole world had seen 2027 01:37:42,769 --> 01:37:44,380 what these firefighters had done, 2028 01:37:44,423 --> 01:37:46,643 that the extra-ordinary actions that they take. 2029 01:37:46,686 --> 01:37:48,427 I think people can understand, 2030 01:37:48,471 --> 01:37:50,603 that when you're involved in a really traumatic event, 2031 01:37:50,647 --> 01:37:52,605 like, I know, a mass shooter, 2032 01:37:52,649 --> 01:37:55,870 there's-- can be an immediate stress response, 2033 01:37:55,913 --> 01:37:57,828 and that can cause PTSD. 2034 01:37:57,872 --> 01:38:00,918 I think maybe what's less clear is that we're finding out now, 2035 01:38:00,962 --> 01:38:03,878 that these small, sort of, sub-clinical traumas 2036 01:38:03,921 --> 01:38:09,100 that happen on a daily basis, over years, can also, 2037 01:38:09,144 --> 01:38:11,842 cause a heavy toll, and it can manifest as PTSD. 2038 01:38:13,626 --> 01:38:15,759 For some people, it's anti-depressants, 2039 01:38:15,802 --> 01:38:17,021 and that works for them. 2040 01:38:17,065 --> 01:38:18,457 But that only works for less than a third. 2041 01:38:19,719 --> 01:38:21,243 Cognitive behavioral therapy, 2042 01:38:21,286 --> 01:38:23,158 trans-cranial magnetic stimulation, 2043 01:38:23,201 --> 01:38:25,160 but that only works for another third of people. 2044 01:38:25,203 --> 01:38:27,118 So what about everybody else who isn't getting treatment? 2045 01:38:27,162 --> 01:38:29,207 We're trying to figure out any tool 2046 01:38:29,251 --> 01:38:31,644 that makes inroads for people, that's a win for me. 2047 01:38:32,515 --> 01:38:33,908 [crackling] 2048 01:38:34,256 --> 01:38:35,822 [Maggiora] My mane is Michael Maggiora, 2049 01:38:35,866 --> 01:38:37,868 and I'm the Lead Research Technician 2050 01:38:37,912 --> 01:38:40,131 and Project Manager, for this experiment, 2051 01:38:40,175 --> 01:38:41,916 with Doctor Vaughn. 2052 01:38:41,959 --> 01:38:43,526 This type of study has never really been done before. 2053 01:38:43,569 --> 01:38:45,310 I mean, this is huge. 2054 01:38:46,529 --> 01:38:48,923 All I knew about motorcycles, were 2055 01:38:48,966 --> 01:38:51,360 the Hells Angels, the Mongols, you know, 2056 01:38:51,403 --> 01:38:52,883 Sons of Anarchy. 2057 01:38:53,928 --> 01:38:55,668 I didn't have a lot of direct contact 2058 01:38:55,712 --> 01:38:59,063 with motorcycle culture, but the media's cast it as... 2059 01:38:59,107 --> 01:39:00,325 bike gangs. 2060 01:39:01,196 --> 01:39:02,458 Hey, guys, how's it goin'? 2061 01:39:03,154 --> 01:39:04,982 Awesome. I'm Michael. 2062 01:39:05,026 --> 01:39:06,810 [Vaughn] You know, from talking to enough motorcyclist, 2063 01:39:06,853 --> 01:39:08,855 we found that they would say, "Oh, it's wind therapy." 2064 01:39:08,899 --> 01:39:10,118 Mike Maggiora, 2065 01:39:10,161 --> 01:39:11,641 -nice to meet you, Jack. -Pleasure. 2066 01:39:11,684 --> 01:39:12,772 [Vaughn] And other people would say, 2067 01:39:12,816 --> 01:39:14,209 that's just full of it, 2068 01:39:14,252 --> 01:39:15,732 you wanna go take some turns real fast. 2069 01:39:15,775 --> 01:39:16,994 And you wanna get that adrenaline rush. 2070 01:39:17,038 --> 01:39:18,778 Hey, Rod! 2071 01:39:18,822 --> 01:39:20,345 Go ahead, have a seat, we'll get started. 2072 01:39:20,693 --> 01:39:23,305 [Vaughn] From my perspective, this was a rare chance 2073 01:39:23,348 --> 01:39:25,263 to do science, and discover something 2074 01:39:25,307 --> 01:39:27,483 that's never been able to be looked at before. 2075 01:39:27,526 --> 01:39:29,180 When I put the cap on, all I need you to do, 2076 01:39:29,224 --> 01:39:30,442 is just reach up and hold. 2077 01:39:30,486 --> 01:39:31,966 [Maggiora] We're using an EEG, 2078 01:39:32,009 --> 01:39:34,272 which is an electroencephalogram. 2079 01:39:34,316 --> 01:39:36,883 That measures at each of these spots around the brain, 2080 01:39:36,927 --> 01:39:38,146 what's the voltage, 2081 01:39:38,189 --> 01:39:39,625 what's the brain activity going on. 2082 01:39:39,669 --> 01:39:41,410 Is anything registering? 2083 01:39:41,453 --> 01:39:43,281 Not yet. We're gonna turn it on now. 2084 01:39:43,325 --> 01:39:44,935 [Vaughn] So we've recruited 2085 01:39:44,979 --> 01:39:46,632 over 50 experienced motorcycle riders, 2086 01:39:46,676 --> 01:39:50,462 to do a very rigorous and long experiment, 2087 01:39:50,506 --> 01:39:52,812 where they would come in, they'd ride their own bikes. 2088 01:39:53,074 --> 01:39:55,032 They would drive a car, 2089 01:39:55,076 --> 01:39:56,773 and then they would sit in what we call passive state, 2090 01:39:56,816 --> 01:39:59,384 and just see what the baseline levels were. 2091 01:40:00,733 --> 01:40:02,866 We measured their electrical brain activity, 2092 01:40:02,909 --> 01:40:04,737 we measured their heart rate, 2093 01:40:04,781 --> 01:40:07,044 we measured adrenaline levels and cortisol levels. 2094 01:40:07,088 --> 01:40:08,872 The brain's always active. 2095 01:40:08,915 --> 01:40:10,917 There's-- It's always processing the world around us. 2096 01:40:10,961 --> 01:40:12,789 One way to think about focus, is that you're able to tune out 2097 01:40:12,832 --> 01:40:14,704 irrelevant information around you. 2098 01:40:14,747 --> 01:40:16,706 So what we did, was, we played tones 2099 01:40:16,749 --> 01:40:18,621 in the ears while people were riding 2100 01:40:18,664 --> 01:40:20,449 or driving or sitting passively, 2101 01:40:20,492 --> 01:40:22,668 and we looked at how their brain processed them. 2102 01:40:22,712 --> 01:40:25,367 And we used that as a marker to see how attentive they are 2103 01:40:25,410 --> 01:40:27,978 while they're riding, versus when they're not riding. 2104 01:40:28,022 --> 01:40:29,632 [reflective music] 2105 01:40:29,675 --> 01:40:31,590 [Vaughn] We all have this internal critic, 2106 01:40:31,634 --> 01:40:33,897 and these stock patterns that are constantly going on. 2107 01:40:33,940 --> 01:40:36,378 But when you start to go down a negative mental health 2108 01:40:36,813 --> 01:40:40,121 pathway, you have these recurring traumatic thoughts, 2109 01:40:40,164 --> 01:40:42,558 that aren't positive, and that can haunt you, 2110 01:40:42,601 --> 01:40:44,560 and there's something about 2111 01:40:45,735 --> 01:40:47,911 finding an activity that captivates your brain 2112 01:40:47,954 --> 01:40:49,652 just enough, where you can't let that 2113 01:40:49,695 --> 01:40:52,046 just continuously run, it's really powerful. 2114 01:40:53,308 --> 01:40:55,397 [engine starts] 2115 01:40:55,962 --> 01:40:59,531 [Maggiora] I was just worried that neuroscience didn't have 2116 01:40:59,575 --> 01:41:03,622 the technology and the analysis to knock this out of the park, 2117 01:41:03,666 --> 01:41:07,409 that, all our fancy brain caps would return nothing. 2118 01:41:07,452 --> 01:41:09,106 [reflective music continues] 2119 01:41:09,759 --> 01:41:11,761 [Vaughn] Honestly, it put a fair amount of stress on me, 2120 01:41:11,804 --> 01:41:15,634 that I know, that people were depending on these results, 2121 01:41:15,678 --> 01:41:19,943 because they're sick of getting, you know, mocked out of the room 2122 01:41:19,986 --> 01:41:21,597 when they say this works for them. 2123 01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,426 -[engine rumbling] -[reflective music continues] 2124 01:41:29,735 --> 01:41:31,215 I'm gonna turn the machine off for you. 2125 01:41:31,259 --> 01:41:32,695 How was your ride, Jack? All right, man. 2126 01:41:32,738 --> 01:41:34,262 -Go well. -Thank you for your time. 2127 01:41:34,305 --> 01:41:35,959 -Thank you. -That was really, really great. 2128 01:41:36,002 --> 01:41:38,222 -Yeah. Thank you. -[reflective music continues] 2129 01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:42,096 [music fades] 2130 01:41:43,488 --> 01:41:45,142 [Maggiora] We took hours and hours of data 2131 01:41:45,186 --> 01:41:46,752 on many, many, many people, in order to find this result. 2132 01:41:46,796 --> 01:41:48,363 [Vaughn] When it comes to science, 2133 01:41:48,406 --> 01:41:50,843 I try and be as cold-hearted as I can about it. 2134 01:41:50,887 --> 01:41:52,497 I know that sounds kinda weird, 2135 01:41:52,541 --> 01:41:54,804 but it's just not the responsibility of science 2136 01:41:54,847 --> 01:41:56,284 to make social decisions. 2137 01:41:56,327 --> 01:41:58,764 Our job is discover what's true and tell 2138 01:41:58,808 --> 01:42:00,288 the world, and then 2139 01:42:00,331 --> 01:42:01,724 society gets to decide what to do with it. 2140 01:42:02,855 --> 01:42:04,857 You were talking about hearing those beeps. 2141 01:42:04,901 --> 01:42:06,424 -Yeah. -Right, and so 2142 01:42:06,468 --> 01:42:08,078 were you able to hear the tones 2143 01:42:08,122 --> 01:42:09,601 throughout the entire experiment? 2144 01:42:09,645 --> 01:42:11,168 At the beginning, I noticed them. 2145 01:42:11,212 --> 01:42:12,691 -Yeah. -They would start, 2146 01:42:12,735 --> 01:42:14,693 and about 30 seconds in, I'd forget about it. 2147 01:42:14,737 --> 01:42:16,478 So then as soon as I hit that went away, 2148 01:42:16,521 --> 01:42:18,306 I off, I was riding again. 2149 01:42:18,349 --> 01:42:22,484 Kind of... evolved into it getting to be a normal ride. 2150 01:42:22,527 --> 01:42:25,095 That they diminished in their presence. 2151 01:42:25,139 --> 01:42:27,793 We found, that in the auditory cortex, 2152 01:42:27,837 --> 01:42:30,231 it actually shows a reduced response 2153 01:42:30,274 --> 01:42:33,234 to this irrelevant information, while riding a motorcycle. 2154 01:42:33,277 --> 01:42:35,714 Meaning, that the brain is so focused, 2155 01:42:35,758 --> 01:42:38,282 it doesn't tune in to what doesn't matter. 2156 01:42:38,326 --> 01:42:41,198 When we look at changes in hormone levels, we see a... 2157 01:42:41,242 --> 01:42:43,505 increase in testosterone 2158 01:42:43,548 --> 01:42:46,072 while riding a motorcycle, and a decrease 2159 01:42:46,116 --> 01:42:48,684 in the stress-related hormone, known as cortisol. 2160 01:42:49,206 --> 01:42:52,035 That tells us that just 20 minutes riding, 2161 01:42:52,078 --> 01:42:54,429 somehow produces a physiological effect 2162 01:42:54,472 --> 01:42:57,910 that actually reduces these metrics of stress. 2163 01:42:59,216 --> 01:43:02,132 Studies find that individuals diagnosed with PTSD 2164 01:43:02,176 --> 01:43:04,178 have an 80 percent higher likelihood 2165 01:43:04,526 --> 01:43:06,092 of having another mental disorder, 2166 01:43:06,136 --> 01:43:08,312 from depression to substance abuse. 2167 01:43:08,356 --> 01:43:10,793 We can at least try evidence-based therapies 2168 01:43:10,836 --> 01:43:12,403 that have been shown to be effective, 2169 01:43:12,447 --> 01:43:14,318 that really can reduce the symptoms, 2170 01:43:14,362 --> 01:43:15,928 maybe eliminate them. 2171 01:43:15,972 --> 01:43:18,714 -[engine rumbling] -[reflective ending music] 2172 01:46:04,009 --> 01:46:06,534 [music fades] 158112

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