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-[fire hissing]
-[alarm beeping]
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[soft tense music]
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[reporter] Showing you
lower Manhattan and everything,
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it's actually
in pretty good shape now
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as we work into clear,
but for us, bright sunny skies.
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[music continues]
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65 degrees
at seven o'clock in the morning
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and sunny and pleasant
for the rest of the day.
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80 degrees,
it's kind of a guilty pleasure,
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as beautiful as
this weather is going to be.
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The five-day--
Yeah, look at this.
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78 degrees on Wednesday.
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Thursday, I think I'm even
over-done with the clouds there,
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I think it turns out
to be a little bit nicer.
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Friday, very nice.
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Saturday, beautiful,
cool, pleasant days.
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[anticipatory music continues]
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[anticipatory music muffled]
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[fire roaring]
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[roaring ends]
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-... what do you see?
-I can't see, either.
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I don't know what you see,
I don't know.
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You don't even know
how much of the building--
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No. No, I don't.
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We're going now,
to assess the condition.
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[reporter] We are dealing purely
in the realm
of speculation here
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as to what may have happened
at the World Trade Center.
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-[clicking]
-[soft tense music]
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[reporter] Obviously,
a major incident occurred here,
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on the upper floors of one of
the World Trade Center towers.
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[buzzing]
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[Elmes] And when my dad
woke me up that morning of
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September 11th, 2001,
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the first plane
had gone into the building
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and then I watched
the second one go through.
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[reporter 2] It does not appear
that there's any kind of--
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Oh my God!
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-[man] Oh God!
-[woman] My God!
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[reporter 1] That looks
like a second plane.
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So now you're
looking at live pictures,
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and there is the second fire.
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[buzzing]
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[Elmes] You could see
the fear on my dad,
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watching this,
and look at me, goes, he's,
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"You wanna do this?
You still wanna do this?
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Watching this?"
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[reporter 2] The entire building
has just collapsed.
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[reporter 1] ...has collapsed?
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[reporter 2] The whole building
has collapsed.
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[reporter 3] ...problem
at the North Tower, Peter.
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[reporter 4] Let's look
at the North Tower.
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-Quickly, quickly.
-[reporter 3] Coming down.
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[buzzing]
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[Elmes] So I watched it,
and understood, and,
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put myself second,
and you first, in life.
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And I was okay with that.
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[mayor] And I'm very
worried about all of my...
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police officers
and firefighters,
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some of whom might
still go into the building.
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And we haven't been
able to find them yet.
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This is gonna be
a terrible strain on them...
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[unclear]
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Not only the people who
are injured and hurt,
and worse,
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but rescue efforts like this
really drain you,
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so, we're gonna need
as much help as we can get.
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[newscaster] Mayor Giuliani,
I appreciate you
speaking to us,
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live via telephone as we face--
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[mayor] Right,
I would just like to
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say to the people
of New York City
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and the people of America,
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that the situation...
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-[unintelligible speaking]
-[rumbling]
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-[rumbling]
-[chanting song]
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[chant song continues]
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-[blower roaring]
-[song continues]
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[Elmes] I felt it, like, I,
I could be that guy.
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I could do that job,
I could help the people.
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[siren wailing]
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[Elmes] I was hired
January 15th, 2007.
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-You're hurting, sir?
-I hurt.
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[Elmes] Twelve years.
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[victim] That hurts.
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-[sirens wailing]
-[chanting song continues]
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[Elmes] It's not for everybody.
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It takes that
certain kind of person.
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And, I can put aside
what I need to put aside,
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to get that job done.
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[indistinct voices]
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[Elmes] Active duty firefighter.
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[siren wailing]
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-[slam]
-[clatter]
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[Elmes] My wife would
tell you over the years,
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that I'd become
desensitized, and then we,
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we had children.
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I'm not...
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sensitive when I'm supposed
to be sensitive, in her eyes.
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[sprayer roaring]
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[Elmes] She would
call me cold, I just,
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I look at it for what it is,
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and I take
the emotions out of it,
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and I think they're just
a reaction from work.
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[sprayer roaring]
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[Carrie] Nick today
is very different
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than when I met him
ten years ago, you know.
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Ten plus years
of doing that job.
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[siren wailing]
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[Carrie] The calls,
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the sleep deprivation, I mean,
all that stuff changes him.
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So I mean,
Nicky had to deal with
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all the shit
thrown at him at work,
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he'd come home and deal with me,
he was a mess.
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[Elmes] The beginning
of my journey with kids was,
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was very tough.
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My son was born without
any fingers on his left hand.
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[soft tense music]
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[Elmes] I took
my first night off,
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the kids were in the INCU unit,
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she was in the hospital,
in recovery.
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I went home,
and I just bawled my eyes out.
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I'd sit there, I--
this is my moment,
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I got my emotions out,
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and I went back to the fire-hall
for my last night-shift,
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and I never took a day off,
after that.
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[Carrie] I blame myself
for Marco's hand a lot,
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and I had a really hard time.
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[Elmes] My wife suffered
from post-partum, severely,
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where she was
put on suicide watch,
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and when I had to go to work,
I had to note
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when she was gonna be alone
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with the kids
and stuff, so that...
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so I might be
available for a call,
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'cause she had written
suicide notes and stuff.
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[Carrie] It made me
incredibly strong,
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'cause I had to be alone with
two babies a lot of the time.
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And being a first responder's
wife is very difficult.
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-[clatter]
-[thumping]
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[Elmes] I had to
take the emotion out
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and just be strong, and
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take care of everyone,
and just, do, like--
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She says I just
turn everything into a job.
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[tense music continues]
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[Carrie] As much as they say
you turn off when you're done,
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you don't,
'cause it affects everything.
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[siren wailing]
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[Elmes] When I got on, it was
still the old-school mentality.
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You know, you come back
from an ugly accident scene,
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"Everyone okay?" "Yep."
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"Good. Suck it up."
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[siren wailing]
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[Elmes] Just bottle
that up and bury it.
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I just kept going.
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-[engine rumbling]
-[music continues]
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[Elmes] That
old-school mentality
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in the fire-hall still exists.
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And we don't
wanna hear about it,
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don't talk about it.
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-[television humming]
-[unsettling music]
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♪ Uh
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♪ It's a message
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[train rumbling]
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♪ Gangsters
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♪ Black males. Angels
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♪ Keep the message
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[Sabini] The Bronx
is its own kinda...
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it's a huge melting pot,
is New York City, you know,
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it's very much
a focal point of the world,
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as a result, so are
the New York Police Department,
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the New York City
Fire Department,
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we are in that spotlight,
so there's a pride that
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-we are viewed that way.
-[clattering thud]
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Whoo!
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[indistinct speaking]
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[Sabini] My name's
Matthew Sabini,
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I'm a firefighter on Engine 71,
in the Bronx, for the FDNY.
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It's been said a million times,
so it's almost cliche now,
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but it really brought out
the best of New Yorkers.
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[Sabini] Going to
local community college,
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finishing two classes
a semester, it's just...
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no fucking clue what to do.
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I came out of that class
in the morning,
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and I went to
the cafeteria where,
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when everyone's sitting there
glued to the TV, and that's--
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-[airplane engine roaring]
-[siren wailing]
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[Sabini] And then
that moment kinda,
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something clicked,
and it was like...
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[reflective music]
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Yeah, I kinda, like, realized,
like, I needed to do something.
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Signed up to take the test,
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and then a couple years later
I was in Probie school.
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And it's unfortunate it took
a horrific incident like that,
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to do that, but it pretty much
made me who I am now.
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-[train rumbling]
-[music continues]
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[Smith] That was
my goal in my life,
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to be a New York City fireman.
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After nine-eleven, I became
a New York City fireman.
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[reflective music continues]
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[Smith] My name's Kirk Smith,
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I work for the New York City
Fire Department, FDNY,
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in South Bronx.
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Our area still has Projects.
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There's been some times
that we have had some issues.
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[train rumbling]
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Come on, get it,
get it, get it, get it, get it.
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The crack epidemic hit us hard,
so from there on,
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it just was downhill.
Crack, dope, coke, weed, pills.
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Grab your gun, grab your drug,
come outside, do your thing.
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There's a fire department
right down the hill, that
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saved a lot of peoples in
these projects where I live at,
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and they do their thing.
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-[anticipatory music]
-[beep]
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They're gonna see something
you don't really wanna see.
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[newscaster] In the Bronx,
three children trapped
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inside a burning building,
are in critical condition.
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There's gonna be
deceased people.
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[newscaster] A deadly shooting
in a deli in the Bronx.
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[sirens wailing]
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It's gonna keep going like that.
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[newscaster] Devastating scene
of fire and ice in the Bronx.
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At least twelve people killed,
including children,
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in the deadliest fire
in New York City,
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in more than a quarter century.
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-[beep]
-[anticipatory music continues]
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[Sabini] Fuck this, you know?
This sucks sometimes.
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The first time you see
something with a kid,
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that really... that hits you.
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-Good?
-Yeah.
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-[beep]
-I suck.
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Let's go, let's work.
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[Sabini] That's
the trade-off, is
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you get to do this job,
and you get to be
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in the greatest
fire department in the world.
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Just push, just push.
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Body shot, body shot,
there you go.
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[reflective music]
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[Sabini] But the trade-off is,
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yeah, I'm gonna
see some of the ugliest
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shit that's out there.
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I don't think it's a balance,
I think it's a trade-off,
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it's an accepted trade-off.
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[music continues]
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[Sabini] And that's
what people realize now,
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out of that.
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That's as a whole,
not just New York City,
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that's everywhere.
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[reflective music continues]
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[indistinct voices]
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How did I miss that?
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[Cooper] There's an adage
that says,
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"Toronto Fire Service,
more than fire,"
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we just do a lot of stuff.
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[reflective music]
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[Cooper] This city's
three and a half million people.
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We are in the Downtown Corps.
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[Cooper] It's
the busiest apparatus
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on the Toronto Fire Service.
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It's the busiest one in Canada.
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[siren beeping]
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[dispatcher]
...fourteen, medical.
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[siren wailing]
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[Cooper] Let's just
use Friday, for instance.
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This is most of
what we did Friday.
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Fentanyl overdose, at...
Yonge-Dundas Square,
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where it's-- right near where
there's a safe injection site.
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Probably on the return
from the other call.
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-[indistinct voices]
-[siren wailing]
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[Cooper] A transgender
person had had a...
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fentanyl overdose
in a room in a hotel.
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-[indistinct voices]
-[siren wailing]
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[Cooper] Less than
a block from the station.
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And it was
a fentanyl overdose again.
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-[indistinct voices]
-[melancholic music]
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[Cooper] We went
to an alarm call,
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this is at 1:20 in the morning,
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because alarms
had been set off by...
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poor cooking.
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We've had another
fentanyl overdose.
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1:01 in the morning,
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intravenous drug user
who had been sleeping,
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passed out unconscious
in a stairwell.
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Gentleman had taken his life,
bag over his head,
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and put helium in.
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We had another...
residential high-rise alarm,
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we found a homeless woman
had been smoking...
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crack in the stairwell,
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and probably
hadn't bathed in months.
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There's-- There's
a mental health issue
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out here in our area,
in our area of the city,
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so a lot of the people
that we call homeless people,
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are people who actually
do have mental health issues,
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and, it's hard
to deal with them,
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because you don't know
where to send them.
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We see here regularly
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is sometimes
some of our patients,
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we have seen
more than once in a day,
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with the same condition.
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-[alarm beeping]
-And--
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-Can we stop for a sec?
-[dispatcher indistinct]
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-[dispatcher] ...medical...
-Stop.
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[dispatcher indistinct]
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-[engine idling]
-[reflective music]
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-[siren wailing]
-[music continues]
302
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[man indistinct over radio]
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...I have no further
information. Stand by.
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-[siren wailing]
-[tense music]
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We have a male
seizing under Alexander.
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-[indistinct voices]
-[siren wailing]
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[soft tense music]
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[music fades]
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[Nevin] Detroit is
a real tough town.
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We went through a municipal
bankruptcy in 2014-15.
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It's a tough town,
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and it's a tough town
for public safety workers.
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My name is Myke Nevin.
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I am Captain
of Squad Company Three.
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I have 33 years
on the Fire Department.
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I'm the President of the Detroit
Firefighter's Association.
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That represents
all the Detroit firefighters,
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the Divisions, and EMS.
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You've been out,
I know you've got footage
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of our firefighters,
and I know that some of
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your crew have even asked,
"How do so few men
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combat something so violent?"
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-[siren wails outside]
-You hear the sirens now
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as I'm speaking.
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This is the city
where the sirens never stop.
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-We're buzzin' ar--
-[siren wailing outside]
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We're buzzin'
all over the place,
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left and right, never stops.
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[siren wailing]
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[fast-paced distorted music]
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[Nevin] This is
the arson capital of the world.
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The devil definitely lives
in the city of Detroit.
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We without hesitation
run into burning buildings.
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We are an aggressive
interior-attack department.
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[Smith] I've been here 19 years.
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Yeah, there have
been a couple of moments
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where I come back,
like, man, this is a--
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this is a crazy reality.
339
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You could die here.
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-[alarm ringing]
-[music continues]
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[Smith] You can die, and that's
a very realistic possibility.
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[distorted music continues]
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-[thud]
-[heavy breathing]
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[Smith] When
we're meeting people,
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the pressure is on, right now.
346
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[muffled voice] Hey,
you over there on the porch!
347
00:16:14,060 --> 00:16:15,322
[muffled shouting]
348
00:16:16,801 --> 00:16:17,541
[Smith] There's no time,
there's no Chapter Six,
349
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there's no textbook.
350
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[muffled voice] Hey!
On the porch!
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Hang on there for me, right?
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It's like, you do it right now.
353
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[thump]
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[Nevin] Your big city
355
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public safety workers
experience an awful lot,
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and a high call volume.
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-[muffled] Right here.
-[crash]
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[Nevin] And a high call volume
throughout many, many years.
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[distorted music continues]
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[Nevin] There's car accidents.
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[siren wailing]
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There's medical emergencies.
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There's... assaults.
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There's-- I mean, we're doing
an awful lot in this town.
365
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We run harder than any
department in the country.
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[music continues]
367
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[siren wailing]
368
00:16:55,579 --> 00:16:57,668
[newscaster] Flooding is
canceling more classes today.
369
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[newscaster 2] As
heavy rains led to this.
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[Nevin] And it
hasn't slowed down.
371
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-[distorted music continues]
-[sirens wailing]
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-[saw whining]
-[crash]
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[Nevin] We've gone from, you
know, insane, or lunacy, to--
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or, Armageddon,
to, like, lunacy.
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It-- it's really insane
how busy we are.
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00:17:25,044 --> 00:17:27,611
[music continues]
377
00:17:31,528 --> 00:17:34,357
[music fades]
378
00:17:49,372 --> 00:17:52,810
[buzzing]
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[Elmes] You know, growing up
in East Vancouver,
380
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you know,
some people went this way.
381
00:17:56,858 --> 00:17:58,903
Some people went this way,
and I just said,
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"Well, I'm just gonna
walk down the middle, and
383
00:18:01,341 --> 00:18:02,820
and abide by the law
384
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and do what I gotta do
to get on the Fire Department."
385
00:18:04,953 --> 00:18:07,999
So yeah, it set...
a straight-line path for me.
386
00:18:08,043 --> 00:18:09,914
[buzzing]
387
00:18:09,958 --> 00:18:14,310
In East Vancouver, everything
can change in a couple blocks,
388
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like, you know,
head north a few blocks,
389
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and you're
in a totally different...
390
00:18:19,489 --> 00:18:21,448
-[hitch]
-...atmosphere.
391
00:18:21,491 --> 00:18:24,755
[distorted electronic music]
392
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[Stephen] My name's
Brad Stephen.
393
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I have been retired,
now, for three years.
394
00:18:30,674 --> 00:18:34,983
Was very fortunate to get on to
the Fire Department in 1985,
395
00:18:35,026 --> 00:18:36,463
the Vancouver Fire Department.
396
00:18:36,854 --> 00:18:39,596
Like, I can't believe
the deterioration
397
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of this area, and the vacancy,
398
00:18:42,860 --> 00:18:45,602
and the heartache down here
that exist today.
399
00:18:45,646 --> 00:18:48,257
It's... a sense for me,
400
00:18:48,301 --> 00:18:50,390
of things just
not being in control.
401
00:18:50,433 --> 00:18:54,742
The-- The true horrors of
addiction come completely real.
402
00:18:54,785 --> 00:18:57,658
[sirens wailing]
403
00:18:59,225 --> 00:19:01,879
[indistinct voices]
404
00:19:02,228 --> 00:19:04,186
[Higgins] I mean, I've been
out of Vancouver 23 years,
405
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:05,796
and things have
changed down here.
406
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,537
Our call volume has doubled,
407
00:19:07,581 --> 00:19:09,583
and sometimes tripled,
since when I came on the job.
408
00:19:09,626 --> 00:19:12,977
[sirens wailing]
409
00:19:13,021 --> 00:19:15,241
[indistinct voices]
410
00:19:17,373 --> 00:19:19,332
[Higgins] Like,
when I came on the job,
411
00:19:19,375 --> 00:19:21,508
it was common to be in the hall
for four or five years.
412
00:19:21,551 --> 00:19:23,379
It was just kind of
how it worked out.
413
00:19:23,423 --> 00:19:25,642
In the last ten years,
because of the high call volume,
414
00:19:25,686 --> 00:19:27,818
it's not-- it's not feasible.
415
00:19:27,862 --> 00:19:28,993
-[siren wailing]
-[tense music]
416
00:19:29,037 --> 00:19:30,734
[dispatcher indistinct]
417
00:19:30,778 --> 00:19:34,085
[indistinct speech]
418
00:19:34,695 --> 00:19:36,131
[Higgins] Mentally, physically.
419
00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:37,959
[indistinct voice on radio]
420
00:19:40,527 --> 00:19:41,963
[Higgins] Guys are burning out.
421
00:19:42,006 --> 00:19:45,096
[indistinct voices]
422
00:19:50,841 --> 00:19:52,582
[Higgins] And when you go home,
you don't tell a lot of stories.
423
00:19:52,626 --> 00:19:54,149
I used to, coming home,
424
00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:55,542
tell Mom about everything
that was going on at work.
425
00:19:55,933 --> 00:19:57,544
Can't do that anymore.
426
00:19:57,587 --> 00:19:59,502
It's not... How can
they relate, or picture
427
00:19:59,546 --> 00:20:00,677
what I'm telling them.
428
00:20:00,721 --> 00:20:03,506
[siren wailing]
429
00:20:03,550 --> 00:20:06,248
[Higgins] They're basing
what I tell them on a TV show
430
00:20:06,292 --> 00:20:07,902
and a movie that they've seen,
or something on the news.
431
00:20:07,945 --> 00:20:09,164
That's not reality.
432
00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:11,166
What we live here, is reality,
433
00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:13,386
and how we go about our day
and what we see, is reality.
434
00:20:13,429 --> 00:20:16,650
-[siren wailing]
-[soft reflective music]
435
00:20:20,306 --> 00:20:23,396
[siren wailing]
436
00:20:25,833 --> 00:20:27,095
[siren fades]
437
00:20:30,185 --> 00:20:32,013
[rustling]
438
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,197
[soft anticipatory music]
439
00:20:42,589 --> 00:20:46,114
So I remember...
early on in my career,
440
00:20:46,157 --> 00:20:49,422
came on scene and there was
a baby on a couch.
441
00:20:50,423 --> 00:20:52,555
Had been drinking
from a baby bottle
442
00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:54,470
that was propped
on a pillow while the mother
443
00:20:54,514 --> 00:20:56,211
tried to get some rest.
444
00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:58,648
And when we got there
the baby was in full arrest.
445
00:20:58,692 --> 00:21:00,650
-So I did CPR.
-[siren wailing]
446
00:21:00,694 --> 00:21:04,959
At the time, I had
two little infants at home.
447
00:21:05,002 --> 00:21:07,788
The baby, to my knowledge,
didn't make it.
448
00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:10,443
Thinking,
down in here in Gas Town,
449
00:21:10,486 --> 00:21:12,009
we're on-scene at a nightclub,
450
00:21:12,053 --> 00:21:13,924
found the body
of a 21-year old male,
451
00:21:13,968 --> 00:21:17,450
had been stabbed in the chest,
had collapsed on the floor,
452
00:21:17,493 --> 00:21:20,148
but he was still... conscious.
453
00:21:20,496 --> 00:21:24,239
And he looked up at me and...
he said, "Am I gonna die?"
454
00:21:24,283 --> 00:21:25,632
And I said, "No."
455
00:21:26,023 --> 00:21:28,461
And... he slowly
lost consciousness
456
00:21:28,504 --> 00:21:29,592
and he passed away.
457
00:21:30,071 --> 00:21:31,638
Oak Street Bridge.
458
00:21:32,856 --> 00:21:34,467
There was a head-on car crash.
459
00:21:34,510 --> 00:21:37,252
-[splintering crash]
-Her legs had been severed.
460
00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:39,254
-[groaning]
-Both of them.
461
00:21:39,602 --> 00:21:43,389
Got a report
of a stabbing, or an assault.
462
00:21:43,824 --> 00:21:45,652
He's dead, Captain.
463
00:21:45,695 --> 00:21:49,264
The police officer,
not a comment on them,
464
00:21:49,525 --> 00:21:52,311
or him at the time,
but he screamed, "It's okay!
465
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:54,356
I felt a pulse!"
466
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,055
And I pulled the stuff
that was on him down,
467
00:21:58,099 --> 00:22:00,275
whether it was blankets
or whatever, I don't remember.
468
00:22:00,754 --> 00:22:03,147
But he had--
his head was decapitated.
469
00:22:03,887 --> 00:22:05,889
It's fucked up,
he's decapitated.
470
00:22:05,933 --> 00:22:07,674
Fuckin', you know, get a grip.
471
00:22:08,588 --> 00:22:11,025
It-- It's just
such a bizarre scene,
472
00:22:11,808 --> 00:22:14,376
where two people,
473
00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:17,074
one a police officer,
one a firefighter,
474
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:20,208
are arguing whether
a guy still has a heartbeat,
475
00:22:20,251 --> 00:22:24,560
and his fuckin' head
isn't attached to his body.
476
00:22:24,604 --> 00:22:27,433
We get on scene, and...
477
00:22:27,476 --> 00:22:29,304
the report
of a pedestrian struck,
478
00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:33,526
and I've never ever
ever ever forgot this. I see...
479
00:22:33,874 --> 00:22:35,615
two rubber boots,
480
00:22:35,658 --> 00:22:37,791
was like they'd just been
placed right on the roadway,
481
00:22:37,834 --> 00:22:40,402
about a 100,
150 feet up the road,
482
00:22:40,446 --> 00:22:42,839
there was about,
an eight-year old little boy,
483
00:22:42,883 --> 00:22:44,711
who used to be in those boots.
484
00:22:45,146 --> 00:22:46,887
So we get this call,
and there's a...
485
00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:49,193
a male down, he's about 25, 30,
486
00:22:49,237 --> 00:22:52,980
and he had multiple stab wounds,
thirty, forty stab wounds.
487
00:22:53,023 --> 00:22:55,896
Like, if you wanna
know the imagery, is, it just--
488
00:22:55,939 --> 00:22:58,115
-[thumping]
-If you stab a roast,
489
00:22:58,812 --> 00:23:01,249
and you hear that,
it's like a thud,
490
00:23:01,292 --> 00:23:03,904
and you can feel the tissue...
491
00:23:03,947 --> 00:23:06,341
I've actually done that,
where I've stuck it in.
492
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,605
And I imagine somebody did that
493
00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:12,173
thirty or forty times
to this human being.
494
00:23:12,216 --> 00:23:14,131
And this is
in this area, roughly.
495
00:23:14,741 --> 00:23:17,221
We get there, and there's
a guy hanging by a rope.
496
00:23:17,265 --> 00:23:19,093
There was about
a ten-year old boy there.
497
00:23:19,136 --> 00:23:20,660
-[fan whirring]
-And his dad's hanging there
498
00:23:20,703 --> 00:23:22,052
in front of him.
499
00:23:22,096 --> 00:23:23,880
There's another call,
up in the...
500
00:23:23,924 --> 00:23:25,360
Victoria Drive area.
501
00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:28,102
My God, this baby
had been dropped in a...
502
00:23:28,145 --> 00:23:29,669
tub of hot water.
503
00:23:29,712 --> 00:23:31,366
-I had skin on my...
-[disturbing rumble]
504
00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:33,063
...uniform.
505
00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:36,676
I highly doubt
that baby made it.
506
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:38,721
Uh, back over here,
507
00:23:38,765 --> 00:23:40,984
-and it was a hose fire.
-[fire whooshing]
508
00:23:41,028 --> 00:23:44,074
But there was a...
a person on the couch.
509
00:23:44,118 --> 00:23:46,512
-Their abdomen split--
-[fire whooshing]
510
00:23:46,555 --> 00:23:49,166
And they had opened up.
It was like a rainbow.
511
00:23:49,210 --> 00:23:51,125
It was the intestines, and,
512
00:23:51,168 --> 00:23:53,301
kidneys and liver,
but it was an absolute,
513
00:23:53,344 --> 00:23:57,174
perfectly
anatomically preserved body.
514
00:23:57,218 --> 00:23:59,525
I haven't
told people these stories.
515
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,705
And every firefighter,
they have this...
516
00:24:05,748 --> 00:24:07,141
[pen scratching]
517
00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:10,449
[unsettling anticipatory music]
518
00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:21,155
So, I tend to only speak in this
for myself, that... it...
519
00:24:22,199 --> 00:24:23,462
it just adds up.
520
00:24:24,027 --> 00:24:26,769
It's just not normal
to be driving down a street,
521
00:24:27,378 --> 00:24:28,989
and seeing the light-poles
522
00:24:29,032 --> 00:24:31,252
where people have
crashed and killed themselves
523
00:24:31,295 --> 00:24:32,732
in a car accident,
524
00:24:32,775 --> 00:24:34,385
you've gone,
pulled up and they're dead.
525
00:24:35,691 --> 00:24:39,216
It's not normal
to see rubber boots
526
00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:41,523
on a shelf in a shoe store,
527
00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:43,743
and think about
a little eight-year old boy,
528
00:24:44,221 --> 00:24:45,440
but I do.
529
00:24:45,745 --> 00:24:48,443
It's not normal
to cross Oak Street Bridge
530
00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:49,792
and think about...
531
00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:53,404
legs being torn off a body
of a 21 year-old girl,
532
00:24:53,448 --> 00:24:54,493
but I do.
533
00:24:57,365 --> 00:25:01,500
It's... just not normal.
534
00:25:08,463 --> 00:25:09,508
[MacDonald] This is my dad.
535
00:25:11,031 --> 00:25:12,859
He actually drove this
536
00:25:12,902 --> 00:25:15,557
fire truck, and it started
with a hand crank in the front.
537
00:25:15,601 --> 00:25:19,213
So, this is Number Three Haul,
we used to go and pick him up,
538
00:25:19,996 --> 00:25:22,216
after his... night shifts.
539
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,001
Yeah.
540
00:25:25,436 --> 00:25:27,787
My father and I
did not talk a lot.
541
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:30,790
He progressed
through his career, and...
542
00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:32,879
He never told me
any stories about it, really.
543
00:25:33,488 --> 00:25:36,535
So, I-- I'm starting
from square one.
544
00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:39,407
The term PTSD wasn't there.
545
00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:40,669
There was no such thing.
546
00:25:41,148 --> 00:25:44,238
[shredder rumbling]
547
00:25:49,069 --> 00:25:51,332
[Cooper] I've been doing this
for forty years now, and
548
00:25:51,375 --> 00:25:53,813
the ones that were
really horrible, always stay.
549
00:25:53,856 --> 00:25:55,292
And when they stay with you,
550
00:25:55,336 --> 00:25:56,729
they stay with you
your entire career.
551
00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:04,432
[Cooper] We have a fire in--
which is...
552
00:26:04,475 --> 00:26:06,303
in Toronto history,
is an infamous fire,
553
00:26:06,347 --> 00:26:08,305
because in this building
we lost ten people.
554
00:26:08,784 --> 00:26:12,005
And, going to the inquest
after, you know,
555
00:26:12,048 --> 00:26:13,659
maybe a year or two later
when they try to figure out
556
00:26:13,702 --> 00:26:15,704
all the recommendations
they can make,
557
00:26:15,748 --> 00:26:17,663
to make this not happen again.
558
00:26:17,706 --> 00:26:20,274
Then, you know, you discover--
we're told by the inquest, that
559
00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:22,624
that one of the people
that perished was within
560
00:26:22,668 --> 00:26:24,539
six or eight inches
of the end of my hand,
561
00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:26,106
and I didn't get them.
562
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:31,198
And, so, you know what, it's...
it's what we do.
563
00:26:33,417 --> 00:26:35,898
Remembering all the stuff
that goes on at these things,
564
00:26:35,942 --> 00:26:38,727
it's hard to judge exactly how
many triggers you need, or...
565
00:26:38,771 --> 00:26:40,686
or where--
whatever sets it off.
566
00:26:41,121 --> 00:26:43,297
[siren wailing]
567
00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:46,605
It manifests itself in
different people
different ways.
568
00:26:46,648 --> 00:26:48,128
Talking to my own crew,
569
00:26:48,171 --> 00:26:49,738
you can talk to
those guys and know--
570
00:26:49,782 --> 00:26:51,610
they'll say, "Look,
I used to drink this much.
571
00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:53,350
And now I drink this much."
572
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,484
I didn't do that consciously,
that happened.
573
00:26:56,527 --> 00:26:58,312
[tense anticipatory music]
574
00:26:58,704 --> 00:27:00,923
[Smith] You can see a guy,
you know, stumbling in,
575
00:27:00,967 --> 00:27:02,490
you can see it,
you see the change,
576
00:27:02,533 --> 00:27:04,318
you see a substance abuse.
577
00:27:04,361 --> 00:27:05,841
We got guys going down left
and right, substance abuse.
578
00:27:05,885 --> 00:27:08,017
We got a guy right now,
who's in jail now.
579
00:27:09,453 --> 00:27:11,978
[Nevin] You get the DUI
from drinking and driving,
580
00:27:12,021 --> 00:27:13,370
after you went
to the bar in the morning,
581
00:27:13,414 --> 00:27:14,763
because of a bad night.
582
00:27:14,807 --> 00:27:18,637
You can't keep
hitting it 24 on, 24 off.
583
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:19,594
24 on,
584
00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:21,335
24 off.
585
00:27:21,378 --> 00:27:22,771
It's 24 hours
you're away from your family.
586
00:27:25,208 --> 00:27:26,296
[Smith] You know,
'cause your families
587
00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:28,211
take these rides with you.
588
00:27:28,255 --> 00:27:29,996
And that's something that
you don't get to turn in,
589
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:32,825
when you leave, you know,
when you leave here,
590
00:27:32,868 --> 00:27:34,348
you turn in some of your gear,
591
00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:35,566
there's a lot of things,
there's a big checklist,
592
00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:37,612
and nowhere on that checklist,
593
00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:40,223
is there a spot for all this
to-- all the shit you've seen,
594
00:27:40,267 --> 00:27:41,703
over the years.
595
00:27:41,747 --> 00:27:43,662
And that's--
it becomes a challenge,
596
00:27:43,705 --> 00:27:45,446
and if you're not prepared,
to dissect that and process it,
597
00:27:45,489 --> 00:27:46,665
you end up
taking it home with you,
598
00:27:46,708 --> 00:27:48,405
and there's-- you-- you--
599
00:27:48,449 --> 00:27:49,798
you learn to live with it,
or you don't.
600
00:27:49,842 --> 00:27:52,279
[tense anticipatory music]
601
00:27:52,888 --> 00:27:54,716
[Higgins] How is your home life?
Are things going well?
602
00:27:55,195 --> 00:27:57,763
Because at the fire hall,
you kinda detach from that.
603
00:27:58,415 --> 00:28:00,113
-[alarm beeping]
-[clattering]
604
00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:03,638
[dispatcher indistinct]
605
00:28:04,421 --> 00:28:06,119
[Higgins] When we
leave this place,
606
00:28:06,162 --> 00:28:08,164
everybody has a life,
that they go to.
607
00:28:08,208 --> 00:28:10,079
[siren wailing]
608
00:28:10,776 --> 00:28:12,429
[MacDonald] There--
there was a--
609
00:28:12,473 --> 00:28:13,953
There was a lot of
alcoholism on the job.
610
00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:16,782
My brother and I
talked a little bit
611
00:28:17,347 --> 00:28:19,828
about how you break the chain.
612
00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:25,616
I only hit my sons
once in their entire lives.
613
00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:28,794
I still cringe when
I think about how they cried.
614
00:28:30,665 --> 00:28:33,755
[Smith] Guys on our job,
PTSD is gonna show up
615
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,149
in those individuals,
because of what they see.
616
00:28:36,192 --> 00:28:38,194
[thumping]
617
00:28:38,238 --> 00:28:39,935
[Smith] 'Cause everybody knows
they got a little anger issues.
618
00:28:39,979 --> 00:28:41,676
-[thumping]
-[grunts]
619
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,721
It's there.
620
00:28:42,764 --> 00:28:44,723
[indistinct shouting]
621
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:48,814
[Nevin] Sleep deprivation...
622
00:28:48,857 --> 00:28:50,598
you know,
our divorce rate's high.
623
00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:53,427
We've been to a lot of funerals,
right, we have heart attacks,
624
00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:55,690
we're having-- we've had--
we've had suicides.
625
00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,737
[melancholic music]
626
00:28:59,694 --> 00:29:01,217
[Higgins] We had
a member on our job
627
00:29:01,261 --> 00:29:02,436
that I'd talked to
five days before,
628
00:29:02,479 --> 00:29:03,742
before he killed himself.
629
00:29:03,785 --> 00:29:05,395
And we talked about retirement,
630
00:29:05,439 --> 00:29:07,571
talked about pension,
talked about family life.
631
00:29:07,833 --> 00:29:10,096
There was no indication
that he was struggling,
632
00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:11,271
that he actually had demons.
633
00:29:12,141 --> 00:29:13,708
[interviewer] Have
you ever in your career,
634
00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:15,666
attended a funeral
of a firefighter,
635
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:16,885
who's committed suicide?
636
00:29:16,929 --> 00:29:17,930
Yes.
637
00:29:17,973 --> 00:29:19,758
Yes. And...
638
00:29:20,062 --> 00:29:21,150
And he was...
639
00:29:22,978 --> 00:29:25,938
He was suffering,
and we knew the incident.
640
00:29:25,981 --> 00:29:28,941
And we in the Fire Service,
at least, in our Fire Service,
641
00:29:28,984 --> 00:29:30,290
I won't speak for the others,
642
00:29:31,378 --> 00:29:33,075
have gone
to funerals over the years,
643
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:34,511
many, many times,
644
00:29:34,947 --> 00:29:38,385
that we knew, the person
had taken their own lives,
645
00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:40,430
and it wasn't spoken about.
646
00:29:41,257 --> 00:29:43,477
You didn't even ask,
if you didn't know the guy,
647
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,348
how the guy l--
how the guy passed.
648
00:29:45,392 --> 00:29:47,350
We know now, I mean,
I can tell you there's
649
00:29:47,394 --> 00:29:49,788
probably a dozen,
that I can think of.
650
00:29:49,831 --> 00:29:52,442
[melancholic music continues]
651
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:55,881
[Nevin] The thing that
is absolutely sickening,
652
00:29:55,924 --> 00:30:00,102
sickening about Detroit,
is that, since 1863,
653
00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:04,846
not one case of
mental illness and or PTSD,
654
00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:07,370
has been reported,
or on the books,
655
00:30:07,414 --> 00:30:08,850
since 1863.
656
00:30:08,894 --> 00:30:10,983
Because
we were told to suck it up,
657
00:30:11,287 --> 00:30:13,420
move on, what's wrong with ya?
658
00:30:13,463 --> 00:30:15,248
Are ya a sissy?
659
00:30:15,291 --> 00:30:17,337
You know, what are you--
what are you crying for?
660
00:30:18,991 --> 00:30:21,384
I've become
more understanding, personally,
661
00:30:21,428 --> 00:30:23,256
and a little more compassionate,
662
00:30:23,299 --> 00:30:24,953
as far as these members
that are suffering.
663
00:30:25,345 --> 00:30:27,913
I take a step back now,
and go, I get it,
664
00:30:28,348 --> 00:30:30,089
where I didn't, earlier.
665
00:30:30,132 --> 00:30:31,873
My members know that,
and that's why they support me.
666
00:30:31,917 --> 00:30:33,440
And I'll keep beating that drum.
667
00:30:33,483 --> 00:30:35,485
We'll get the help
we need eventually.
668
00:30:35,529 --> 00:30:37,313
And it may not be
me at the finish line,
669
00:30:37,357 --> 00:30:38,401
but somebody will be there.
670
00:30:49,021 --> 00:30:52,502
[clattering]
671
00:30:53,721 --> 00:30:55,766
[Elmes] It's not about,
everything you see at work,
672
00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:57,681
it could be what
673
00:30:57,725 --> 00:30:59,422
happens at work, it could
be the atmosphere at work,
674
00:30:59,466 --> 00:31:01,947
the family life,
that got ruined because of--
675
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:03,818
where there's so
many different things.
676
00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,864
I was getting worn out
and broken down, so was--
677
00:31:05,907 --> 00:31:09,432
short-tempered, on edge,
not happy.
678
00:31:09,476 --> 00:31:11,478
I had mental health issues,
I needed...
679
00:31:11,957 --> 00:31:13,262
do something to fix this.
680
00:31:13,306 --> 00:31:14,568
What makes me happy?
681
00:31:16,439 --> 00:31:19,616
[ticking]
682
00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:21,140
[Carrie] My dad, growing up,
683
00:31:21,183 --> 00:31:24,230
at 18, he got into...
motorcycles.
684
00:31:24,273 --> 00:31:27,276
I just loved him, growing up,
Dad, I can't remember what age
685
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,148
he started
taking us on his bikes, and
686
00:31:29,583 --> 00:31:31,541
had a little dirt-bike,
when I was little, and,
687
00:31:31,585 --> 00:31:33,326
just-- it's literally,
just a way of life.
688
00:31:33,369 --> 00:31:36,938
I mean, now,
I don't ride nearly as often.
689
00:31:36,982 --> 00:31:39,593
I've always felt, you know,
Nick had a dangerous job.
690
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:42,509
He also rode,
that was his release.
691
00:31:42,552 --> 00:31:43,553
I thought, okay.
692
00:31:44,815 --> 00:31:46,165
Someone needs to be
a little bit more stable
693
00:31:46,208 --> 00:31:49,124
and responsible, and
he deserves to have his outlet.
694
00:31:49,429 --> 00:31:52,519
[reflective music]
695
00:31:53,999 --> 00:31:55,783
[Elmes] The bad
didn't matter anymore.
696
00:31:55,826 --> 00:31:58,394
The dark voices in your head,
the dark clouds...
697
00:31:59,308 --> 00:32:00,657
they went away and lightened u.
698
00:32:00,701 --> 00:32:02,050
[engine starting]
699
00:32:04,009 --> 00:32:08,100
[Elmes] So I just had a...
the feeling of peace.
700
00:32:09,231 --> 00:32:10,972
You can leave
the outside world behind you.
701
00:32:11,016 --> 00:32:13,670
-[engine rumbling]
-[distorted music]
702
00:32:13,714 --> 00:32:15,324
[Sabini] When I was a teenager,
I wanted a crotch rocket,
703
00:32:16,456 --> 00:32:18,980
but I knew
if I did go and buy one,
704
00:32:19,024 --> 00:32:20,503
if the bike didn't kill me,
my mother would.
705
00:32:20,547 --> 00:32:22,679
After I got on the job,
706
00:32:22,723 --> 00:32:25,073
I got this extra little money,
let's start getting into it.
707
00:32:25,117 --> 00:32:28,207
[distorted music continues]
708
00:32:31,384 --> 00:32:32,515
[Cooper] I get
on the thing every day.
709
00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:35,866
-[engine starting]
-[music continues]
710
00:32:37,694 --> 00:32:39,305
If-- If we didn't live
in Toronto,
711
00:32:39,348 --> 00:32:40,828
I'd be on it
all the way through the winter.
712
00:32:40,871 --> 00:32:43,962
-[engine rumbling]
-[music continues]
713
00:32:46,747 --> 00:32:48,879
[Sabini] Seeing everything
on a bike is different.
714
00:32:50,142 --> 00:32:51,882
It's more visceral.
715
00:32:51,926 --> 00:32:53,972
The different smells and
the different tastes in the air
716
00:32:54,015 --> 00:32:55,582
as you're going through...
717
00:32:55,625 --> 00:32:58,019
-[engine rumbling]
-[distorted music continues]
718
00:32:59,064 --> 00:33:00,674
[Cooper] And you
come back from it,
719
00:33:01,066 --> 00:33:03,024
and that's all you thought about
why you were out there.
720
00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:05,461
-[engine roaring]
-[music continues]
721
00:33:07,811 --> 00:33:09,683
[Elmes] We found
our peace and happiness.
722
00:33:09,726 --> 00:33:11,511
-[engine roaring]
-[music continues]
723
00:33:11,554 --> 00:33:12,729
It's wind therapy.
724
00:33:12,773 --> 00:33:15,906
-[roaring fades]
-[music fades]
725
00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:24,176
-[humming]
-[rustling]
726
00:33:24,828 --> 00:33:26,961
You know,
I'll never, I'll never know,
727
00:33:27,266 --> 00:33:31,183
but... you know,
my father's father, my grandpa,
728
00:33:31,226 --> 00:33:33,794
who's in this picture,
he served in the...
729
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,753
what was known as the Great War,
the First World War.
730
00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:40,757
And, he never said
a word about it.
731
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,979
And, I don't know
how anyone can be normal
732
00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:47,286
after serving in the...
the trenches,
733
00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:49,505
it's just--
I don't think it's possible.
734
00:33:50,419 --> 00:33:52,073
[motorcycle engine rumbling]
735
00:33:56,860 --> 00:33:58,906
[MacDonald] With respect to
how bikers kind of
736
00:33:58,949 --> 00:34:00,386
formed up
after the Second World War,
737
00:34:00,429 --> 00:34:01,952
these guys, and I understand,
738
00:34:01,996 --> 00:34:03,389
a lot of them
were fighter pilots.
739
00:34:04,477 --> 00:34:06,131
I mean,
they lived on the edge, man.
740
00:34:06,522 --> 00:34:08,350
[engines roaring]
741
00:34:08,394 --> 00:34:10,787
And then you're flying
at 200, 300 feet off the ground,
742
00:34:10,831 --> 00:34:12,963
you're getting strafed
from ground fire.
743
00:34:13,834 --> 00:34:16,097
And then the war ends,
and you come home.
744
00:34:16,141 --> 00:34:17,403
[roaring ends]
745
00:34:17,446 --> 00:34:18,708
[water flowing]
746
00:34:22,930 --> 00:34:24,540
[MacDonald] What the hell
are you gonna do,
747
00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:27,108
that even comes
remotely close to that?
748
00:34:27,152 --> 00:34:29,110
I don't think it's
becoming an accountant
749
00:34:29,154 --> 00:34:30,546
or selling real estate.
750
00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:31,547
[creak]
751
00:34:32,722 --> 00:34:34,159
Riding's become my life.
752
00:34:34,768 --> 00:34:35,986
[engine starts]
753
00:34:38,511 --> 00:34:39,860
[squirting]
754
00:34:44,038 --> 00:34:45,300
Bill Shokar.
755
00:34:45,344 --> 00:34:46,910
Firefighter and Acting Captain,
756
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,869
in New Westminster
Fire Department.
757
00:34:50,566 --> 00:34:52,873
And the cultures
between the Fire Service,
758
00:34:53,613 --> 00:34:55,136
and the whole
motorcycle culture,
759
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:56,442
kind of like
an adrenaline junkie.
760
00:34:56,485 --> 00:34:57,878
[engine rumbling]
761
00:34:59,619 --> 00:35:01,490
Every time the alarms go off,
it's that shot of adrenaline.
762
00:35:02,926 --> 00:35:05,190
-[sirens wailing]
-[unsettling tense music]
763
00:35:08,367 --> 00:35:10,978
[reporter] And you're looking
at the devastation here,
764
00:35:11,021 --> 00:35:12,806
at New Westminster Pier Park.
765
00:35:12,849 --> 00:35:15,722
A fire that started just
before eight o'clock last nigh,
766
00:35:15,765 --> 00:35:19,769
so, it's been burning here
for over 13 hours now.
767
00:35:21,336 --> 00:35:24,165
[engine rumbling]
768
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:27,037
[Shokar] A motorcyclist
who's a firefighter,
769
00:35:27,081 --> 00:35:29,997
they're risk-takers,
little bit of fearlessness.
770
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,520
[fire roaring]
771
00:35:31,564 --> 00:35:32,826
[man] I'm about to go
down there, down below.
772
00:35:33,348 --> 00:35:36,177
[indistinct voices]
773
00:35:36,221 --> 00:35:37,961
[Shokar] So when you
kind of marry that
774
00:35:38,005 --> 00:35:40,181
with being on a bike,
that adrenaline rush.
775
00:35:40,225 --> 00:35:41,965
[engine rumbling]
776
00:35:42,009 --> 00:35:43,184
You know, you're riding
something quite powerful.
777
00:35:44,838 --> 00:35:46,274
It's a tough thing to explain.
778
00:35:46,318 --> 00:35:47,667
Just a feeling.
779
00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:49,756
-[engine rumbling]
-[upbeat music]
780
00:35:49,799 --> 00:35:51,627
[Shokar] Through
the wind in your hair, and
781
00:35:52,019 --> 00:35:53,499
it's just nice to be free.
782
00:35:54,674 --> 00:35:55,936
[engine roaring]
783
00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:00,941
People, I think,
reflect in different ways.
784
00:36:01,289 --> 00:36:02,943
Some people
need to be in a quiet room.
785
00:36:02,986 --> 00:36:04,597
Whatever works for you.
786
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,599
But for me
it's a great time to reflect.
787
00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:09,297
[reflective music]
788
00:36:10,864 --> 00:36:11,821
Hey.
789
00:36:11,865 --> 00:36:13,475
I got hired in 2003.
790
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,391
2004, I lost
my brother to suicide.
791
00:36:16,696 --> 00:36:19,960
-[Shokar sniffs]
-[reflective music]
792
00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:23,790
[sniffs]
793
00:36:25,835 --> 00:36:26,706
And...
794
00:36:31,885 --> 00:36:33,321
You know, I went to a suicide.
795
00:36:33,756 --> 00:36:35,628
Similar age as my brother,
796
00:36:35,671 --> 00:36:38,196
in the same manner as my brother
committed suicide, so--
797
00:36:38,457 --> 00:36:40,633
As you can tell, that
clearly had an impact on me.
798
00:36:41,416 --> 00:36:43,766
You know, the job really does
take a toll on people.
799
00:36:44,463 --> 00:36:45,812
[engine rumbling]
800
00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:47,901
[Shokar] And there is
no handbook for that.
801
00:36:47,944 --> 00:36:49,685
Just get out on the open road.
802
00:36:51,513 --> 00:36:52,514
Nothing compares to it.
803
00:36:53,385 --> 00:36:56,605
[engine rumbling]
804
00:37:00,914 --> 00:37:02,176
[clicking]
805
00:37:12,578 --> 00:37:14,406
My name's, Erik Craig Bjarnason.
806
00:37:14,449 --> 00:37:17,974
I was Captain for
North Van City Fire Department
807
00:37:18,018 --> 00:37:19,585
for the last 30 years.
808
00:37:19,628 --> 00:37:22,762
Everybody calls me "Paws,"
because obvious reasons.
809
00:37:23,153 --> 00:37:25,286
I was a member of
North Shore Search and Rescue
810
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:26,766
for almost 30 years.
811
00:37:29,072 --> 00:37:31,336
Every year, we would go
travel somewhere in the world,
812
00:37:31,379 --> 00:37:33,729
and we just climb, and it was
just a team-building,
813
00:37:33,773 --> 00:37:37,255
it's keeping our skills up,
keeping our...
814
00:37:37,298 --> 00:37:39,169
brotherhood together,
like, you know,
815
00:37:39,213 --> 00:37:42,042
if you spend a month in a tent,
you either love or hate the guy.
816
00:37:42,564 --> 00:37:44,566
And these are
all the pictures of...
817
00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:45,741
the hospital,
818
00:37:46,612 --> 00:37:48,657
but we were not
prepared to live.
819
00:37:48,701 --> 00:37:50,833
[soft tense music]
820
00:37:51,834 --> 00:37:53,096
[newscaster] There is
a crisis tonight
821
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:55,490
in an extremely dangerous place.
822
00:37:55,534 --> 00:37:58,928
Three lives are in danger,
high up Canada's tallest peak,
823
00:37:58,972 --> 00:38:00,800
Yukon's Mount Logan.
824
00:38:00,843 --> 00:38:02,715
The three are
members of a rescue team,
825
00:38:02,758 --> 00:38:05,021
and now their colleagues
are trying to figure out a way
826
00:38:05,065 --> 00:38:07,023
to save them.
827
00:38:07,067 --> 00:38:10,157
Three team members of ours
are on Logan right now, and...
828
00:38:12,202 --> 00:38:15,118
Things do not look good.
829
00:38:15,162 --> 00:38:17,251
[wind blowing]
830
00:38:17,991 --> 00:38:20,385
[Bjarnason] We were
hit by a sub-tropical cyclone.
831
00:38:21,429 --> 00:38:24,302
The storm ripped our tent apart,
ripped our gear apart,
832
00:38:24,345 --> 00:38:25,999
left us with nothing.
833
00:38:26,042 --> 00:38:28,088
-[wind blowing]
-[tense music]
834
00:38:28,131 --> 00:38:30,395
It was a very somber,
surreal moment,
835
00:38:30,438 --> 00:38:32,179
because we all expected to die.
836
00:38:33,354 --> 00:38:35,791
[reporter] An Alaska
National Guard helicopter
837
00:38:35,835 --> 00:38:38,751
plucked them from
the windy ridge in a basket.
838
00:38:39,491 --> 00:38:41,449
I think one of the most
beautiful pictures ever,
839
00:38:41,493 --> 00:38:45,366
because, it's basically,
showing a birth, like,
840
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:48,326
we thought we were dead,
this is coming back to life.
841
00:38:48,369 --> 00:38:50,240
[newscaster] Those
three climbers
842
00:38:50,284 --> 00:38:52,895
rescued from Mount Logan
are back home in Vancouver,
843
00:38:52,939 --> 00:38:54,854
but not out of challenges.
844
00:38:54,897 --> 00:38:57,596
[reporter] But Erik Bjarnason
is a firefighter who knows
845
00:38:57,639 --> 00:38:59,685
he may never pull a hose again.
846
00:38:59,728 --> 00:39:02,514
Frostbite has stolen
some of his fingers.
847
00:39:02,557 --> 00:39:05,691
[tense music continues]
848
00:39:08,781 --> 00:39:10,391
[Bjarnason] The injury itself,
849
00:39:10,435 --> 00:39:12,132
like, I could
explain that with science.
850
00:39:12,175 --> 00:39:13,655
This is how
we're gonna treat it,
851
00:39:14,003 --> 00:39:15,527
this is where
we're gonna amputate.
852
00:39:16,266 --> 00:39:17,790
And I'm thinking,
853
00:39:17,833 --> 00:39:19,139
you know,
what do I do with my life now,
854
00:39:19,182 --> 00:39:21,924
like, a life-time of...
855
00:39:21,968 --> 00:39:25,275
work, is kinda gone
down the drain in a few days.
856
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:28,757
Now I'm useless.
857
00:39:28,801 --> 00:39:30,455
The world's
a better place without me.
858
00:39:30,498 --> 00:39:33,458
So I went home, and...
and there was a gun.
859
00:39:33,501 --> 00:39:34,546
And I thought about it.
860
00:39:34,589 --> 00:39:35,547
I thought about it
long and hard.
861
00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:37,766
-Ah, excuse me.
-No problem.
862
00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:39,072
Oh, fuck.
863
00:39:39,115 --> 00:39:42,205
[soft tense music]
864
00:39:49,822 --> 00:39:51,954
Luckily for me
I'm a harsh drunk.
865
00:39:51,998 --> 00:39:53,826
So I drank till I passed out,
866
00:39:53,869 --> 00:39:56,263
and I woke up and there was
a loaded gun in the bed with me.
867
00:39:56,306 --> 00:39:58,439
[tense music continues]
868
00:40:00,441 --> 00:40:01,616
You don't wanna leave,
869
00:40:02,356 --> 00:40:05,446
you know,
a legacy of pain and sorrow,
870
00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:07,579
which was
what suicide usually does.
871
00:40:08,014 --> 00:40:10,103
None of my family had any idea.
872
00:40:11,844 --> 00:40:13,976
I am in crisis, I need help,
873
00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:17,023
and that's when I saw
the failures in the system,
874
00:40:17,066 --> 00:40:18,285
the failures in me,
875
00:40:19,765 --> 00:40:22,420
and I came up with a game plan,
what do I need to do
876
00:40:22,768 --> 00:40:24,030
to get healthier?
877
00:40:24,073 --> 00:40:27,163
[reflective music]
878
00:40:29,644 --> 00:40:31,341
[engine starts]
879
00:40:33,518 --> 00:40:37,391
And now I find this,
just riding.
880
00:40:37,913 --> 00:40:39,915
[engine rumbling]
881
00:40:42,527 --> 00:40:44,442
I have to credit it
with saving my life.
882
00:40:44,485 --> 00:40:46,705
It took me away
from the brink of the cliff.
883
00:40:46,748 --> 00:40:48,707
I know there's
a lot of other firefighters
884
00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:50,143
suffering the way I was.
885
00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:52,493
[engine rumbling]
886
00:40:53,146 --> 00:40:54,582
[Bjarnason] Because
I want firefighters to know,
887
00:40:54,626 --> 00:40:56,279
that they're not alone.
888
00:40:56,323 --> 00:40:59,413
-[engine rumbling]
-[reflective music continues]
889
00:41:18,258 --> 00:41:21,348
[muffled vintage song]
890
00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:24,090
[mumbling]
891
00:41:25,657 --> 00:41:28,486
Anybody that pays me,
I do work for them.
892
00:41:30,966 --> 00:41:33,491
To all types of people.
Lawyers, doctors...
893
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,017
Guys from motorcycle clubs,
all types of clubs.
894
00:41:38,321 --> 00:41:41,411
-[rustling]
-[song continues]
895
00:41:58,167 --> 00:41:59,299
[rustling]
896
00:41:59,865 --> 00:42:02,824
[song continues]
897
00:42:10,615 --> 00:42:13,879
-[clicking]
-[song continues]
898
00:42:19,972 --> 00:42:21,539
[Bjarnason] Oh,
that was perfect.
899
00:42:21,582 --> 00:42:23,105
[man] Oh, that's
coming off right now, then.
900
00:42:25,891 --> 00:42:27,283
[Bjarnason]
And that's why I'm fat.
901
00:42:27,849 --> 00:42:30,156
I was 185
when I started workin'.
902
00:42:30,765 --> 00:42:32,245
First of-- First of many.
903
00:42:35,944 --> 00:42:37,685
-[upbeat guitar music]
-[Bjarnason laughs]
904
00:42:37,729 --> 00:42:40,558
That was funny,
the first time I got...
905
00:42:41,515 --> 00:42:43,822
after my amputation,
this guy cut me off.
906
00:42:43,865 --> 00:42:45,475
So I pull-- pulled up
beside him,
907
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,086
and I'm honkin' the horn, and...
908
00:42:47,129 --> 00:42:48,174
I'm trying to
give him the finger
909
00:42:48,217 --> 00:42:49,131
and I'm going like that.
910
00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:50,959
[others chuckle]
911
00:42:51,003 --> 00:42:52,439
And he couldn't
tell what I was doin'.
912
00:42:52,482 --> 00:42:53,875
-[laughter]
-So he goes...
913
00:42:54,876 --> 00:42:57,966
[others laugh]
914
00:42:59,446 --> 00:43:02,971
It took all the anger out of me.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, have a nice day.
915
00:43:03,015 --> 00:43:04,625
[all laugh]
916
00:43:04,669 --> 00:43:06,235
[music continues]
917
00:43:06,758 --> 00:43:08,237
[indistinct voices]
918
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,197
♪ One day in your life
919
00:43:11,763 --> 00:43:13,895
♪ Shouldn't be a problem
920
00:43:14,635 --> 00:43:16,115
[Elmes] I think it was,
filling that gap,
921
00:43:16,158 --> 00:43:17,856
to find
what we were all looking for,
922
00:43:17,899 --> 00:43:18,857
that missing link.
923
00:43:20,032 --> 00:43:22,338
[clattering]
924
00:43:22,382 --> 00:43:24,776
I started researching other
firefighter motorcycle clubs.
925
00:43:25,646 --> 00:43:26,647
And there was lots.
926
00:43:26,691 --> 00:43:29,041
[rhythmic clacking]
927
00:43:29,084 --> 00:43:30,520
But nobody wanted to come here.
928
00:43:30,564 --> 00:43:32,740
Nobody wanted to
take that chances,
929
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:35,482
you know, start
one of their charters out here.
930
00:43:35,525 --> 00:43:37,179
[machine clacking]
931
00:43:37,223 --> 00:43:38,659
[Elmes] And it
wasn't going anywhere, so...
932
00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:42,707
I decided to open a club.
933
00:43:43,185 --> 00:43:45,710
Group of guys,
from other departments,
934
00:43:45,753 --> 00:43:47,276
being able to share and open up.
935
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,801
Brotherhood is
still alive, it is real.
936
00:43:49,844 --> 00:43:51,454
♪ You don't have to cry
937
00:43:52,455 --> 00:43:54,588
[Bjarnason] When I heard
about the Florian's Knights,
938
00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:56,503
I heard it from one
of my union reps, he goes,
939
00:43:56,546 --> 00:43:58,723
"There's a bunch of guys
that ride around on Harleys,
940
00:43:58,766 --> 00:44:01,421
and, I think they do
some good fund-raising."
941
00:44:01,464 --> 00:44:04,598
And it's the first time
in years and years,
942
00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,992
that I felt
any sort of brotherhood,
943
00:44:07,035 --> 00:44:08,167
with other firefighters.
944
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:09,081
[men laugh]
945
00:44:09,124 --> 00:44:12,562
[song continues]
946
00:44:14,173 --> 00:44:15,478
[MacDonald] Some
of the guys have
947
00:44:16,262 --> 00:44:20,483
networks, whether it's
fishing, hockey, golf,
948
00:44:20,527 --> 00:44:21,528
families.
949
00:44:22,137 --> 00:44:24,574
And... some of us don't.
950
00:44:24,618 --> 00:44:26,707
[men laughing]
951
00:44:26,751 --> 00:44:29,884
For me, it, it's important.
952
00:44:29,928 --> 00:44:32,017
I need to have
people to talk to.
953
00:44:32,060 --> 00:44:33,714
[indistinct conversation]
954
00:44:33,758 --> 00:44:36,151
The stuff I'm scared to
talk about with others,
955
00:44:36,195 --> 00:44:37,762
I'm not really sure
to express myself,
956
00:44:37,805 --> 00:44:40,155
or what it means,
I'll talk about it here.
957
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:42,288
You walk in here,
and every guy knows,
958
00:44:42,331 --> 00:44:44,072
if you need to cry,
you can cry in front of us.
959
00:44:44,464 --> 00:44:46,335
If you need to
sit there in silence,
960
00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:48,250
you sit there in silence,
we understand.
961
00:44:48,294 --> 00:44:50,209
Whatever you need, you get here.
962
00:44:50,252 --> 00:44:52,559
[song fades]
963
00:44:52,602 --> 00:44:54,430
I don't sleep well at night.
964
00:44:54,474 --> 00:44:56,041
I couldn't turn off
the little voices,
965
00:44:56,084 --> 00:44:57,738
talking, talking, talking.
966
00:44:57,782 --> 00:45:00,349
I was self-medicating,
like, I couldn't sleep at night,
967
00:45:00,393 --> 00:45:02,395
so I drank myself till I slept.
968
00:45:02,438 --> 00:45:05,528
For many, many years,
I, I go back...
969
00:45:06,181 --> 00:45:08,531
-To the 1930's?
-To the 1930's.
970
00:45:08,575 --> 00:45:09,837
[others laugh]
971
00:45:09,881 --> 00:45:12,666
We've had a rash of,
of suicides,
972
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:16,104
and depression,
that didn't lead to suicide,
973
00:45:16,148 --> 00:45:17,627
but it's still there.
974
00:45:17,671 --> 00:45:19,760
This was all designed
with the hope that
975
00:45:19,804 --> 00:45:23,416
the stigma of,
saying, hey, I'm having trouble,
976
00:45:23,764 --> 00:45:25,505
that was removed,
977
00:45:25,548 --> 00:45:27,594
and there was a place
eventually that you could go to
978
00:45:27,637 --> 00:45:28,813
and you get some help.
979
00:45:30,336 --> 00:45:32,077
We've talked to each other
over some rough spots, and,
980
00:45:32,512 --> 00:45:34,514
it's just... it became a family.
981
00:45:34,557 --> 00:45:36,342
[song continues]
982
00:45:37,082 --> 00:45:39,911
Yeah, this tattoo here is...
it's for my brother.
983
00:45:39,954 --> 00:45:43,610
It says... Oh, man...
984
00:45:44,176 --> 00:45:46,439
"Alone,
you have the power of one,
985
00:45:46,482 --> 00:45:48,049
and together,
you have the power of eleven."
986
00:45:48,093 --> 00:45:49,485
It's a saying for brothers.
987
00:45:50,748 --> 00:45:52,575
I didn't really
know anybody very well,
988
00:45:52,619 --> 00:45:54,795
when I joined.
I think all of us joined,
989
00:45:55,317 --> 00:45:58,233
for different reasons, but also
some very similar reasons, just
990
00:45:58,277 --> 00:46:01,236
to try and portray
a positive message
991
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,196
about our profession,
about work-place stress.
992
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:08,678
It's brotherhood, and again,
just riding bikes.
993
00:46:08,983 --> 00:46:12,117
-[engines rumbling]
-[song continues]
994
00:46:17,209 --> 00:46:18,645
-[song fades]
-That was a great movie!
995
00:46:19,515 --> 00:46:21,343
[laughs]
996
00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:23,389
[laugh]
997
00:46:23,432 --> 00:46:24,999
[Elmes] You know, I made it.
I made it real.
998
00:46:25,608 --> 00:46:28,786
I made a real firefighters'
motorcycle club
999
00:46:28,829 --> 00:46:30,265
that was doing good.
1000
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:31,658
Like, this was
the point and the purpose,
1001
00:46:31,701 --> 00:46:33,486
and it-- it's--
it's reality, now.
1002
00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:35,662
-[laughing]
-[indistinct speaking]
1003
00:46:35,705 --> 00:46:37,403
[Elmes] Like, the kids are
in the back-yard playing,
1004
00:46:37,446 --> 00:46:39,405
they call all the brothers
in the club Uncle.
1005
00:46:40,362 --> 00:46:43,017
They just...
They just extended the family.
1006
00:46:43,713 --> 00:46:45,454
Yeah, there's no limit now.
1007
00:46:45,498 --> 00:46:48,631
We're here, we can move forward.
The Florian Knights will,
1008
00:46:48,675 --> 00:46:52,244
you know,
hopefully slowly, grow.
1009
00:47:02,907 --> 00:47:04,082
[Sabini] The group
of us, we always
1010
00:47:04,125 --> 00:47:05,387
kind of have been doing stuff.
1011
00:47:05,431 --> 00:47:07,041
We were
in another club together.
1012
00:47:08,913 --> 00:47:10,392
[Smith] We were
with the Fire Riders,
1013
00:47:10,436 --> 00:47:11,698
that's
the Fire Department's main,
1014
00:47:11,741 --> 00:47:13,482
big club.
1015
00:47:13,874 --> 00:47:15,354
We just kind of
went our own way.
1016
00:47:16,485 --> 00:47:18,096
[Sabini] The other club
could only be...
1017
00:47:18,139 --> 00:47:19,793
it was one chapter
and that was it.
1018
00:47:19,837 --> 00:47:24,102
There wasn't anywhere to...
a way we could grow.
1019
00:47:25,712 --> 00:47:27,235
Smitty actually approached me,
1020
00:47:27,279 --> 00:47:28,889
we drew a patch up,
and everything.
1021
00:47:28,933 --> 00:47:31,500
Lookin' on-line, we had
a couple ideas for names.
1022
00:47:31,544 --> 00:47:33,241
We came up
with Florian's Legion,
1023
00:47:33,285 --> 00:47:36,070
because Saint Florian
was a Roman centurion,
1024
00:47:36,592 --> 00:47:38,507
and he's the patron saint
of firefighters, so
1025
00:47:38,551 --> 00:47:41,684
I'm doing a Google search
on Florian's Legion, and
1026
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,208
Florian's Knights come up.
1027
00:47:43,948 --> 00:47:45,297
And my first instinct was,
1028
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:46,689
"Fuck, somebody
already took this."
1029
00:47:46,733 --> 00:47:49,301
-[rustling]
-[upbeat guitar music]
1030
00:47:50,171 --> 00:47:52,652
[Elmes] I got an email,
from Matt Sabini,
1031
00:47:52,695 --> 00:47:54,741
"We wanna be part of something,
and we like what you've done,
1032
00:47:54,784 --> 00:47:56,830
your brothers
from the Bronx FDNY."
1033
00:47:56,874 --> 00:47:58,658
[chuckles] Like,
1034
00:47:58,701 --> 00:48:00,268
it was the same guy
trying to do the same thing,
1035
00:48:00,312 --> 00:48:02,053
on the east coast,
in a different country.
1036
00:48:02,792 --> 00:48:05,926
I-- It was just all
the same ideals and...
1037
00:48:05,970 --> 00:48:07,885
he had gotten
the jump on me, starting it.
1038
00:48:08,798 --> 00:48:10,844
-[door rumbling]
-[upbeat guitar music]
1039
00:48:11,627 --> 00:48:13,891
[engines rumbling]
1040
00:48:16,981 --> 00:48:19,244
Sometimes, you know,
you-- you embark on a path,
1041
00:48:19,287 --> 00:48:21,855
as much as you, in your heart,
1042
00:48:21,899 --> 00:48:23,161
you know,
believe in what you're doing,
1043
00:48:23,204 --> 00:48:24,423
there's always
elements of doubt,
1044
00:48:24,858 --> 00:48:26,599
"is this really gonna catch on?"
1045
00:48:26,642 --> 00:48:27,905
[guitar music continues]
1046
00:48:29,341 --> 00:48:31,299
[Bjarnason] And to be
invited into the Bronx,
1047
00:48:31,343 --> 00:48:33,606
you know, reminded me
why we're doin' this.
1048
00:48:33,649 --> 00:48:35,956
This is bringin'
firefighters together.
1049
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,133
Like-minded men,
that like to ride bikes,
1050
00:48:39,177 --> 00:48:42,484
that it wasn't just a dream of,
like, seven or eight guys,
1051
00:48:42,528 --> 00:48:45,313
it was a dream
of firefighters in general.
1052
00:48:45,357 --> 00:48:47,315
[siren wailing]
1053
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:49,622
[Elmes] You know,
I based my career decision
1054
00:48:49,665 --> 00:48:51,885
off New York firefighters
and their sacrifice.
1055
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:53,843
And then
they call me first, to be
1056
00:48:54,366 --> 00:48:55,236
the Florian Knights.
1057
00:48:56,368 --> 00:48:57,935
[Shokar] From
the boys up in Canada,
1058
00:48:57,978 --> 00:48:59,371
you know, we're really
excited to come down here,
1059
00:48:59,414 --> 00:49:00,589
you know, we are all one.
1060
00:49:00,633 --> 00:49:01,982
You know,
we are you guys, and you are us.
1061
00:49:02,504 --> 00:49:04,115
We couldn't wait to get
down here, and meet you
1062
00:49:04,158 --> 00:49:05,768
and make it official.
1063
00:49:05,812 --> 00:49:07,292
You always have a place
to go to now in Vancouver.
1064
00:49:07,335 --> 00:49:08,423
You got a family.
1065
00:49:08,858 --> 00:49:11,818
-[reflective song]
-[engines rumbling]
1066
00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:19,782
[Sabini] Have an even closer
tighter-knit group of guys.
1067
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:23,395
And if that can help
other guys that are
1068
00:49:23,438 --> 00:49:25,484
dealing with stuff, to talk
about something, whatever.
1069
00:49:25,527 --> 00:49:27,051
Doesn't have to be
firefighting stuff,
1070
00:49:27,094 --> 00:49:28,617
could be anything.
All right, come on,
1071
00:49:28,661 --> 00:49:30,968
let's go for a ride,
let's grab some lunch,
1072
00:49:31,011 --> 00:49:32,970
get our... you know,
clear our heads,
1073
00:49:33,535 --> 00:49:35,276
you don't even have to talk,
let's just go for a ride.
1074
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,017
That's all it is,
sometimes the ride's enough.
1075
00:49:37,061 --> 00:49:39,498
[engines rumbling]
1076
00:49:39,541 --> 00:49:41,239
[reflective song continues]
1077
00:49:42,675 --> 00:49:46,766
You know, when-- when the FDNY
wants to be a part of you,
1078
00:49:47,158 --> 00:49:49,987
whereas most of the world
wants to be a part of the FDNY,
1079
00:49:50,291 --> 00:49:51,423
that's very gratifying.
1080
00:49:52,859 --> 00:49:56,602
It just validates
what you've been talking about.
1081
00:49:56,645 --> 00:49:57,820
[song continues]
1082
00:49:59,170 --> 00:50:00,345
[Smith] If I go
down a hallway with you,
1083
00:50:00,388 --> 00:50:01,999
at two-thirty
in the morning, to a fire,
1084
00:50:02,434 --> 00:50:06,481
I can ride with you on a bike,
twelve o'clock in the afternoon,
1085
00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:08,135
on a 110-degree day,
1086
00:50:08,179 --> 00:50:10,790
just to put,
whatever we do down here,
1087
00:50:11,138 --> 00:50:13,619
back there,
and just, keep going.
1088
00:50:13,662 --> 00:50:16,448
-[engines rumbling]
-[song fades]
1089
00:50:18,711 --> 00:50:21,975
[water flowing]
1090
00:50:29,722 --> 00:50:31,637
[Elmes] The guys had made
that ultimate sacrifice.
1091
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,291
The guys had...
1092
00:50:33,334 --> 00:50:34,553
you know, I watched
on TV, perish that day.
1093
00:50:35,728 --> 00:50:37,556
The guys that
made me strong enough,
1094
00:50:38,209 --> 00:50:40,254
to continue my journey
to become a fireman,
1095
00:50:41,255 --> 00:50:43,649
and then
it brought me back, there.
1096
00:50:43,692 --> 00:50:47,044
-[water flowing]
-[melancholic music]
1097
00:50:54,964 --> 00:50:57,445
So this is Eric Olsen, I was...
1098
00:50:57,489 --> 00:50:59,273
honored enough
to go to his funeral.
1099
00:51:01,188 --> 00:51:03,016
Met all his family, his buddies.
1100
00:51:03,843 --> 00:51:05,105
Seemed like a great guy.
1101
00:51:11,155 --> 00:51:13,113
[Elmes] It was very touching,
very moving, and,
1102
00:51:13,157 --> 00:51:14,854
and again, it just felt like,
you know, we're not alone,
1103
00:51:14,897 --> 00:51:16,725
doesn't matter
if we go to New York,
1104
00:51:16,769 --> 00:51:18,249
or if we go to Connecticut
or wherever,
1105
00:51:18,292 --> 00:51:19,554
we're not alone.
1106
00:51:19,598 --> 00:51:22,644
[melancholic music continues]
1107
00:51:24,516 --> 00:51:27,475
[Elmes] I stuck to my guns,
I-- I fought through the bad,
1108
00:51:27,867 --> 00:51:29,434
I didn't give up.
1109
00:51:29,477 --> 00:51:32,306
[music continues]
1110
00:51:36,005 --> 00:51:38,051
[Elmes] Those were the most
meaningful hug I'll ever give,
1111
00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:39,966
my brothers
in my clubhouse, the...
1112
00:51:40,009 --> 00:51:42,099
you know, I--
I hope those guys are watching,
1113
00:51:42,142 --> 00:51:43,796
from above, looking down.
1114
00:51:44,927 --> 00:51:47,626
The hug was for us,
but it was for them.
1115
00:51:48,757 --> 00:51:51,108
And I feel that I represented
1116
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,372
all these guys as well, or
I wouldn't been here, I think.
1117
00:51:54,415 --> 00:51:56,287
To be at this moment,
that was...
1118
00:51:57,679 --> 00:51:59,942
it was just amazing,
it was like...
1119
00:51:59,986 --> 00:52:02,597
it was right, it was a...
we did everything right.
1120
00:52:04,077 --> 00:52:07,124
[melancholic music continues]
1121
00:52:09,604 --> 00:52:12,912
[engine rumbling]
1122
00:52:17,177 --> 00:52:19,571
[Cooper] For me, I know,
and my partner would tell you
1123
00:52:19,614 --> 00:52:20,920
if she were
sitting here right now,
1124
00:52:21,312 --> 00:52:23,227
that I'm a different person
once I've ridden.
1125
00:52:24,228 --> 00:52:26,055
I-- I don't
have to ride that long,
1126
00:52:26,099 --> 00:52:28,928
maybe two, three hours,
but it clears the mind of
1127
00:52:28,971 --> 00:52:31,409
all the other things
that go along, that build up,
1128
00:52:31,452 --> 00:52:33,062
and that pressure
we were talking about before,
1129
00:52:33,106 --> 00:52:34,847
the filling up
and the pressure inside...
1130
00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:37,980
-[horn roaring]
-[sirens wailing]
1131
00:52:38,459 --> 00:52:40,113
You get on the bike,
that doesn't happen.
1132
00:52:42,246 --> 00:52:46,075
And-- when
the Florian Knights MC was
1133
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:48,774
out there as something that
I might be interested,
1134
00:52:48,817 --> 00:52:50,428
I thought, Jesus,
that's really kind of weird.
1135
00:52:53,909 --> 00:52:55,563
[Cooper] We didn't
even know each other.
1136
00:52:55,607 --> 00:52:58,262
The guys in New York,
Nick out in the West Coast,
1137
00:52:58,305 --> 00:53:00,046
not-- we don't know each other.
1138
00:53:00,089 --> 00:53:02,048
We-- We found that
we're in the Fire Service,
1139
00:53:02,091 --> 00:53:05,356
and we found that this stuff
works for us, when we ride.
1140
00:53:06,792 --> 00:53:11,231
There's no bad side to what--
anything of what we do. None.
1141
00:53:11,275 --> 00:53:13,146
If there were,
we wouldn't do it.
1142
00:53:24,592 --> 00:53:26,072
[Sabini] Everyone
was riding on cloud nine.
1143
00:53:26,115 --> 00:53:27,726
We had two strong chapters
1144
00:53:27,769 --> 00:53:29,641
across the continent,
in two countries.
1145
00:53:29,684 --> 00:53:33,035
We got Toronto, right now,
it's just him by himself, but
1146
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:35,342
it's growing quick,
and it tells me,
1147
00:53:35,386 --> 00:53:38,084
there is a need
and a void, to be filled.
1148
00:53:38,127 --> 00:53:40,347
Hm, kinda like a,
fuck, yeah, where
1149
00:53:41,479 --> 00:53:44,438
where this club's gonna be huge,
it's gonna be great, and...
1150
00:53:46,397 --> 00:53:48,268
yeah, and then...
1151
00:53:48,312 --> 00:53:49,835
[soft tense anticipatory music]
1152
00:53:49,878 --> 00:53:50,923
Uh...
1153
00:54:16,992 --> 00:54:18,429
[Shokar] Well, it's funny,
1154
00:54:18,472 --> 00:54:20,082
the timing couldn't
have been any worse,
1155
00:54:20,126 --> 00:54:23,347
in terms of...
if we were gonna fall, I think,
1156
00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:25,740
we-- we fell from
the highest pinnacle possible,
1157
00:54:26,132 --> 00:54:27,699
especially after
1158
00:54:27,742 --> 00:54:29,178
just coming back
from New York, and...
1159
00:54:29,875 --> 00:54:34,619
You know, reinforcing the bond,
in New York,
1160
00:54:34,662 --> 00:54:37,448
and to come back,
and have that happen...
1161
00:54:37,491 --> 00:54:40,755
I... can't think of
any other way to describe it,
1162
00:54:40,799 --> 00:54:42,279
but, just a tremendous fall.
1163
00:54:42,322 --> 00:54:44,281
[distorted tense music]
1164
00:54:44,629 --> 00:54:45,499
Um...
1165
00:54:50,156 --> 00:54:52,419
[Bjarnason] I felt fantastic
in New York.
1166
00:54:52,898 --> 00:54:54,552
We are creating something
1167
00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:56,945
magnificent,
and we're creating it
1168
00:54:56,989 --> 00:54:58,773
right from the ground level.
1169
00:54:58,817 --> 00:55:02,429
It's gonna take off,
it's gonna be well-received,
1170
00:55:02,734 --> 00:55:07,086
and then to be, kind of,
thrown in the mud...
1171
00:55:07,391 --> 00:55:10,437
[distorted music continues]
1172
00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:15,137
[MacDonald] I like watching
the evolution of the painting.
1173
00:55:15,616 --> 00:55:17,444
And the more you paint...
1174
00:55:17,836 --> 00:55:20,142
the more you can
see in your head, what
1175
00:55:20,186 --> 00:55:21,927
in advance,
where you're gonna go.
1176
00:55:22,797 --> 00:55:24,669
And then the other thing
I like about painting is,
1177
00:55:24,712 --> 00:55:28,325
you can make mistakes,
and you can fix them.
1178
00:55:28,368 --> 00:55:31,415
[distorted music continues]
1179
00:55:31,806 --> 00:55:33,199
[engine rumbling]
1180
00:55:34,243 --> 00:55:36,463
I tend to just
lean towards no comment.
1181
00:55:37,290 --> 00:55:40,554
I go back to,
you know, I'm not a fool.
1182
00:55:40,598 --> 00:55:44,558
The public perception
was not good.
1183
00:55:47,953 --> 00:55:50,172
[Stephen] In my short period
as a firefighter,
1184
00:55:50,216 --> 00:55:52,261
how seriously I take that,
1185
00:55:52,653 --> 00:55:55,395
and how much
they should be valued,
1186
00:55:55,439 --> 00:55:57,745
in society and in the community,
1187
00:55:58,224 --> 00:56:01,009
and I would have quite enjoyed
staying as a firefighter.
1188
00:56:01,053 --> 00:56:05,144
But, at the end of the day, I...
I wanted to catch bad guys.
1189
00:56:05,187 --> 00:56:06,972
-[fast-paced distorted music]
-[siren sounding]
1190
00:56:07,581 --> 00:56:11,933
That was my mission,
and in 1987, I did what
1191
00:56:11,977 --> 00:56:15,633
a lot of firefighters would say,
1192
00:56:15,676 --> 00:56:20,202
was the... despicable act,
and go... go to the other side,
1193
00:56:20,246 --> 00:56:23,467
but I did, I, I made
the transition to police work,
1194
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:26,252
so I joined the Vancouver
Police Department in 1987.
1195
00:56:26,295 --> 00:56:29,255
So then in 2000
I went plain-clothes,
1196
00:56:29,298 --> 00:56:32,345
doing primarily outlaw
motorcycle gang investigations.
1197
00:56:32,389 --> 00:56:34,303
And then, my last five years,
1198
00:56:34,347 --> 00:56:36,393
was at the Vancouver
Police Gang Unit,
1199
00:56:36,436 --> 00:56:40,266
investigations into...
localized crime groups
1200
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:41,310
within the city of Vancouver.
1201
00:56:42,573 --> 00:56:44,705
[interviewer] And
I wanna give that to you,
1202
00:56:44,749 --> 00:56:46,533
and I want you to tell me,
what do you see there,
1203
00:56:46,577 --> 00:56:48,230
in that front-page photograph?
1204
00:56:48,709 --> 00:56:53,410
I see... three Hells Angels
and a Florian's Knights.
1205
00:56:54,367 --> 00:56:57,457
And then I see...
who I believe is Nick Elmes.
1206
00:56:57,849 --> 00:57:00,895
[soft tense music]
1207
00:57:01,809 --> 00:57:03,332
[Stephen] You know,
Mom always told me,
1208
00:57:03,376 --> 00:57:05,639
you're judged
by the company you keep.
1209
00:57:06,292 --> 00:57:09,295
[soft tense music continues]
1210
00:57:11,166 --> 00:57:15,127
[Stephen] That, that picture
was-- was what caused me to...
1211
00:57:15,693 --> 00:57:16,998
to really react.
1212
00:57:19,436 --> 00:57:22,177
[anticipatory music]
1213
00:57:22,961 --> 00:57:25,485
[Stephen] The cruel
and wrong horrific things
1214
00:57:25,529 --> 00:57:27,922
that the Hells Angels
motorcycle club represents,
1215
00:57:28,445 --> 00:57:31,360
is nothing you-- you
ever want to go close to.
1216
00:57:32,231 --> 00:57:35,364
[anticipatory music continues]
1217
00:57:38,019 --> 00:57:39,543
What their history is,
1218
00:57:39,586 --> 00:57:41,806
what they involve
themselves with...
1219
00:57:44,461 --> 00:57:47,855
Significant drug trafficking,
specifically, cocaine,
1220
00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:50,075
drug importation
and trafficking.
1221
00:57:50,118 --> 00:57:52,338
We were involved
in meth trafficking to,
1222
00:57:52,381 --> 00:57:55,515
to a huge degree,
in Project E-Pandora,
1223
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:57,691
hundreds of thousands
of dollars of meth,
1224
00:57:57,735 --> 00:57:59,519
at the direction
of the Hells Angels.
1225
00:57:59,563 --> 00:58:01,260
If you wanna leave
the drug trafficking out of it,
1226
00:58:01,303 --> 00:58:02,827
and you just wanna
talk about the violence,
1227
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:04,698
the shootings, right,
1228
00:58:04,742 --> 00:58:06,787
the Kelowna shootings,
the North Dakota shootings,
1229
00:58:06,831 --> 00:58:08,354
the... bombings.
1230
00:58:08,397 --> 00:58:09,877
Like, that's what happens,
1231
00:58:09,921 --> 00:58:11,749
like, violence
follows the Hells Angels
1232
00:58:11,792 --> 00:58:13,533
or any outlaw motorcycle gang.
1233
00:58:13,577 --> 00:58:16,667
[anticipatory music continues]
1234
00:58:20,497 --> 00:58:22,020
[Stephen] I was
a motorcycle rider once,
1235
00:58:22,063 --> 00:58:23,804
it's fun to ride a motorcycle.
1236
00:58:26,546 --> 00:58:29,157
The historical
sense of independent,
1237
00:58:29,549 --> 00:58:33,292
easy rider,
go your own way, right?
1238
00:58:33,335 --> 00:58:35,860
It's part of
the Hells Angels' mantra,
1239
00:58:35,903 --> 00:58:37,644
is, turn your back on society.
1240
00:58:37,688 --> 00:58:40,038
[anticipatory music continues]
1241
00:58:42,214 --> 00:58:43,737
And these other Hells Angels
1242
00:58:43,781 --> 00:58:45,260
are looking to
sanitize their image,
1243
00:58:45,304 --> 00:58:46,914
they're
looking for guys like Nick,
1244
00:58:46,958 --> 00:58:48,525
to bring into the fold,
1245
00:58:48,568 --> 00:58:50,265
to say, "Hey, look,
the 15-year firefighter
1246
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:51,919
who's battling PTSD.
1247
00:58:51,963 --> 00:58:54,095
We're supporting charity,
what's the big deal?"
1248
00:58:54,139 --> 00:58:57,490
And before you know it,
I, I think you get sucked in,
1249
00:58:57,534 --> 00:58:59,797
to... to their culture,
1250
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,582
and now they can say, "Hey,
we're-- all we're doing is
1251
00:59:02,626 --> 00:59:04,845
hang around with regular people,
especially firefighters.
1252
00:59:04,889 --> 00:59:06,499
You know, aren't we great guys"
1253
00:59:06,543 --> 00:59:09,633
[anticipatory music continues]
1254
00:59:16,988 --> 00:59:18,903
It's just funny,
how one sees the photo,
1255
00:59:18,946 --> 00:59:21,296
and look, and like, "Oh,
there's... childhood friend."
1256
00:59:21,340 --> 00:59:24,735
I grew up
in a neighborhood where...
1257
00:59:24,778 --> 00:59:27,564
some live,
and some became, and...
1258
00:59:27,607 --> 00:59:29,609
I didn't dump
on most friends for...
1259
00:59:29,653 --> 00:59:30,828
choosing their path in life.
1260
00:59:31,568 --> 00:59:33,221
I-- I posed
with a friend of mine,
1261
00:59:33,265 --> 00:59:34,527
I saw my friend
and posed with him.
1262
00:59:35,702 --> 00:59:36,616
I don't look at...
1263
00:59:38,226 --> 00:59:40,402
people sometimes for
what other people look at them.
1264
00:59:40,446 --> 00:59:41,969
I just look at them,
do I know this guy?
1265
00:59:42,013 --> 00:59:43,536
Yeah, he's friend I know,
he's a good buddy.
1266
00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:44,668
Do I know his wife? Yeah.
1267
00:59:46,452 --> 00:59:48,193
And then,
the allegations came out,
1268
00:59:48,236 --> 00:59:50,195
I'm like, really?
You can do that, legally?
1269
00:59:50,238 --> 00:59:54,460
You can just tarnish somebody,
deface them?
1270
00:59:54,503 --> 00:59:57,594
[unsettling music]
1271
01:00:11,608 --> 01:00:13,784
You know, when we
wear this on the back,
1272
01:00:13,827 --> 01:00:18,615
I've been stopped by the police,
six times in the last month.
1273
01:00:19,267 --> 01:00:22,793
I was asleep Sunday night,
and I was a Florian Knight,
1274
01:00:22,836 --> 01:00:25,404
and I woke up Monday morning
and I was something else.
1275
01:00:25,883 --> 01:00:28,929
[unsettling music continues]
1276
01:00:35,849 --> 01:00:40,201
I think it was a non-story
that took on a life of its own.
1277
01:00:40,637 --> 01:00:42,595
Like, a friend of mine,
1278
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:45,119
ran into an elementary
school friend.
1279
01:00:45,859 --> 01:00:47,861
And because of that one picture,
1280
01:00:49,602 --> 01:00:51,648
my life's been
turned upside down.
1281
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:55,129
[unsettling music continues]
1282
01:01:02,615 --> 01:01:06,445
The appearance
is very significant to them,
1283
01:01:06,967 --> 01:01:09,840
and there's a whole order--
order of that, right,
1284
01:01:09,883 --> 01:01:11,972
in the Hells Angels world.
1285
01:01:14,366 --> 01:01:15,759
We're gonna use
a three-piece patch,
1286
01:01:15,802 --> 01:01:16,847
we're gonna use
three distinctive
1287
01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:18,718
pieces of embroidery,
1288
01:01:18,762 --> 01:01:21,286
top rocker, a middle emblem,
and a bottom rocker,
1289
01:01:21,329 --> 01:01:24,724
as being reflective
of the outlaw community.
1290
01:01:24,768 --> 01:01:26,378
And to this day,
1291
01:01:26,421 --> 01:01:29,076
it's still a significant
symbol for them,
1292
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,036
and a significant thing to say
that it's a three-piece patch.
1293
01:01:32,776 --> 01:01:34,342
If-- If you're not
1294
01:01:34,386 --> 01:01:36,562
an outlaw club,
if you're a regular club,
1295
01:01:36,605 --> 01:01:39,739
and you just like riding
with your brothers and sisters,
1296
01:01:39,783 --> 01:01:41,915
then, again,
my question to you is,
1297
01:01:41,959 --> 01:01:43,743
why do you want
a three-piece patch?
1298
01:01:43,787 --> 01:01:46,659
Like, why do you want
to emulate what they are?
1299
01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:49,531
It's obviously gonna affect
your reputation, personally.
1300
01:01:50,097 --> 01:01:53,535
But now you're blending
the firefighter community
1301
01:01:54,145 --> 01:01:57,714
with an organized crime club.
1302
01:01:58,105 --> 01:02:01,761
Nick Elmes, you're a hero,
all the good you've done,
1303
01:02:02,196 --> 01:02:04,024
in your work,
and in the community,
1304
01:02:04,416 --> 01:02:07,027
you flushed that, buddy.
1305
01:02:07,071 --> 01:02:08,942
[papers rustling]
1306
01:02:09,247 --> 01:02:11,902
[unsettling music]
1307
01:02:25,045 --> 01:02:27,221
[Elmes] Again, there's bad seeds
in every organization,
1308
01:02:27,265 --> 01:02:29,267
but to paint everybody
with the same brush is...
1309
01:02:30,137 --> 01:02:32,661
"Bikers are bad,"
that stigma's still here,
1310
01:02:32,705 --> 01:02:34,489
so let's just
walk away from it, and...
1311
01:02:35,099 --> 01:02:36,143
that's it.
1312
01:02:39,059 --> 01:02:41,453
It's addressed to Mr Nick Elmes.
1313
01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:43,585
From the city of Burnaby.
1314
01:02:44,978 --> 01:02:46,806
"The City has considered
your years of service,
1315
01:02:46,850 --> 01:02:48,460
and your disciplinary record.
1316
01:02:48,503 --> 01:02:49,853
However, this does not
1317
01:02:50,201 --> 01:02:53,160
mitigate the seriousness
of your off-duty conduct.
1318
01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:55,815
Therefore, please be advised
1319
01:02:55,859 --> 01:02:57,556
that your employment with the
City of Burnaby is terminated
1320
01:02:57,599 --> 01:02:59,688
for just cause,
effective immediately,
1321
01:02:59,732 --> 01:03:02,387
and any and all rights
to benefits associated,
1322
01:03:02,430 --> 01:03:03,736
ended immediately."
1323
01:03:04,258 --> 01:03:07,348
[unsettling music]
1324
01:03:11,396 --> 01:03:12,876
[Elmes] The first thing
I did when I came home
1325
01:03:12,919 --> 01:03:14,878
was that I cut my patches off,
1326
01:03:14,921 --> 01:03:17,358
and I phoned Matt in New York,
let him know what was up.
1327
01:03:17,402 --> 01:03:19,665
I surrendered my stuff, and...
1328
01:03:19,708 --> 01:03:20,884
-[click]
-...had to...
1329
01:03:21,754 --> 01:03:22,668
leave the club.
1330
01:03:22,929 --> 01:03:24,496
And I was terminated.
1331
01:03:24,539 --> 01:03:26,498
I'm not active
or retired, so I don't
1332
01:03:26,541 --> 01:03:28,805
fit the category of...
being a member.
1333
01:03:29,066 --> 01:03:32,156
-[unsettling music continues]
-[scrubbing]
1334
01:03:35,768 --> 01:03:38,858
[Carrie] All these guys, like,
they all have their own issues.
1335
01:03:38,902 --> 01:03:41,208
And this was, was helping them,
1336
01:03:41,252 --> 01:03:43,689
a group of guys
who actually understood.
1337
01:03:43,732 --> 01:03:45,734
Now all of a sudden
that's taken away from him,
1338
01:03:45,778 --> 01:03:48,085
not to mention the fact that
he can't even go back to work.
1339
01:03:48,999 --> 01:03:51,871
[unsettling music continues]
1340
01:03:54,395 --> 01:03:55,701
You know, and...
1341
01:03:55,744 --> 01:03:56,615
I...
1342
01:03:57,094 --> 01:03:57,964
[sniffs]
1343
01:04:05,798 --> 01:04:07,626
[Elmes] A misjudgment
error on my behalf,
1344
01:04:07,669 --> 01:04:10,107
not thinking that
it'd go to social media,
1345
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:11,804
or someone steal it
off social media,
1346
01:04:11,848 --> 01:04:13,675
someone use it
to slander me or whatever.
1347
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:15,373
At the end of the day,
that's my fault.
1348
01:04:15,416 --> 01:04:17,201
I'll take responsibility for i.
1349
01:04:17,679 --> 01:04:18,985
Let everything else be.
1350
01:04:19,856 --> 01:04:24,164
The guys, in the club,
suffer from mental health.
1351
01:04:25,035 --> 01:04:27,646
And this is what they found
to keep them going.
1352
01:04:28,081 --> 01:04:30,518
You take that away from them,
1353
01:04:30,562 --> 01:04:31,955
now they got
nothing to keep going.
1354
01:04:31,998 --> 01:04:33,870
[unsettling music continues]
1355
01:04:34,348 --> 01:04:38,265
[Shokar] Very quickly,
I got a, a clear picture of...
1356
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:39,571
the court of public opinion.
1357
01:04:40,006 --> 01:04:42,443
You're left
just to pick up the pieces.
1358
01:04:42,487 --> 01:04:45,577
[train rumbling]
1359
01:04:50,060 --> 01:04:51,713
[Shokar] Or when
something like this happens
1360
01:04:51,757 --> 01:04:52,976
and there's a fall-out,
1361
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,413
and there are
unintended consequences,
1362
01:04:55,456 --> 01:04:57,197
there's also unintended victim.
1363
01:04:58,764 --> 01:05:00,548
To stand and fight
to clear my name
1364
01:05:00,592 --> 01:05:04,335
would have meant bringing down
the people around me.
1365
01:05:05,162 --> 01:05:06,511
[engine starts]
1366
01:05:08,165 --> 01:05:10,863
If my employer is now involved,
which affects my livelihood,
1367
01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:12,430
which affects my family...
1368
01:05:12,473 --> 01:05:15,476
if it affects
my kids' education,
1369
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,175
you know, when I
get contacted by their...
1370
01:05:18,218 --> 01:05:21,656
educational institutions...
it's not just me.
1371
01:05:21,700 --> 01:05:25,051
[engine rumbling]
1372
01:05:27,227 --> 01:05:30,361
[unsettling music continues]
1373
01:05:35,627 --> 01:05:37,542
[Shokar] I think
every individual
1374
01:05:37,585 --> 01:05:40,110
that was involved at that time,
had different things at stake.
1375
01:05:42,112 --> 01:05:45,550
The passion for the riding,
was taken away from me,
1376
01:05:45,593 --> 01:05:47,247
to a certain extent,
1377
01:05:47,291 --> 01:05:49,075
I mean, I still get on my bike,
I still ride,
1378
01:05:49,641 --> 01:05:51,817
which, you know, it's...
1379
01:05:52,426 --> 01:05:54,472
it's sometimes
just tough to stomach.
1380
01:05:56,517 --> 01:06:00,260
Hard to put a value on that,
or hard to really describe...
1381
01:06:00,304 --> 01:06:02,045
you know,
how do you describe a void?
1382
01:06:02,959 --> 01:06:03,916
[music fades]
1383
01:06:07,659 --> 01:06:08,747
[Bjarnason] No,
it was actually nice.
1384
01:06:08,790 --> 01:06:10,096
I really enjoyed living here.
1385
01:06:10,662 --> 01:06:13,882
And there's some things
you can't come back from.
1386
01:06:14,231 --> 01:06:15,275
That picture...
1387
01:06:17,016 --> 01:06:19,279
kinda sent me right back
to where I started.
1388
01:06:20,541 --> 01:06:23,762
When I was injured,
I went to my union,
1389
01:06:23,805 --> 01:06:26,025
and my North End
City Fire Department,
1390
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:28,767
and told them I was
having a problem drinking.
1391
01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:31,291
But because
it didn't affect my job,
1392
01:06:31,596 --> 01:06:32,814
they refused to help.
1393
01:06:34,338 --> 01:06:37,210
When I actually asked for help,
I was ignored,
1394
01:06:37,254 --> 01:06:39,212
and then, persecuted,
1395
01:06:39,256 --> 01:06:41,084
because I decided
to put a vest on.
1396
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:44,609
[unsettling music]
1397
01:06:54,706 --> 01:06:56,969
[Bjarnason] I've been with
the Department 30 years,
1398
01:06:57,013 --> 01:06:59,276
and they were asking me,
basically, if I was a criminal.
1399
01:06:59,319 --> 01:07:02,235
What we did,
for peers to find each other,
1400
01:07:02,627 --> 01:07:05,586
go ride their bike,
and hopefully heal a bit.
1401
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:06,805
Right now,
1402
01:07:08,285 --> 01:07:09,199
there's not a lot of venues
out there for that.
1403
01:07:09,547 --> 01:07:12,637
[unsettling music continues]
1404
01:07:15,509 --> 01:07:17,424
[Bjarnason] Like,
if I lose this,
1405
01:07:17,468 --> 01:07:21,211
like, I've lost all my social
interaction with people.
1406
01:07:21,994 --> 01:07:25,128
So I'll go back to that guy
that's got the windows,
1407
01:07:25,171 --> 01:07:26,781
you know, down,
1408
01:07:26,825 --> 01:07:29,001
watching day-time TV,
having breakfast beers.
1409
01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:32,178
[unsettling music continues]
1410
01:07:34,963 --> 01:07:38,054
When I... lost my hands,
1411
01:07:38,358 --> 01:07:41,144
I was so proud of myself
that I didn't take painkillers,
1412
01:07:41,187 --> 01:07:43,494
'cause I know I have
an addictive personality.
1413
01:07:43,537 --> 01:07:45,235
It was dealing with the...
1414
01:07:45,887 --> 01:07:48,977
the negative stigma
of being injured,
1415
01:07:49,021 --> 01:07:50,588
in the Fire Department,
1416
01:07:50,631 --> 01:07:52,590
and then the bottle
started calling again, and
1417
01:07:52,633 --> 01:07:54,592
you fight, and fight, and fight.
1418
01:07:54,983 --> 01:07:57,290
And eventually you give up,
and every time you give up,
1419
01:07:57,334 --> 01:07:59,901
it's easier to reach over
and open a beer.
1420
01:07:59,945 --> 01:08:01,120
Yeah, like...
1421
01:08:02,687 --> 01:08:04,819
this was never
the way I thought I'd live.
1422
01:08:05,516 --> 01:08:07,822
[unsettling music]
1423
01:08:07,866 --> 01:08:09,955
[MacDonald] My brain lives in
a very troubled neighborhood.
1424
01:08:10,521 --> 01:08:12,784
When I get
in that state, I just--
1425
01:08:12,827 --> 01:08:14,177
I quite often
think about the people
1426
01:08:14,220 --> 01:08:15,569
that wanna live so badly.
1427
01:08:17,441 --> 01:08:18,964
You know, you hear people say,
1428
01:08:19,007 --> 01:08:20,792
"Come on, man,
just pick yourself up.
1429
01:08:20,835 --> 01:08:22,533
Come on, don't be a pussy."
1430
01:08:23,708 --> 01:08:25,362
But if it was that simple,
1431
01:08:25,666 --> 01:08:28,321
we wouldn't be
marching for firefighters
1432
01:08:28,365 --> 01:08:30,193
because they've
taken their own life.
1433
01:08:31,846 --> 01:08:34,153
When you hear
that it's a selfish act
1434
01:08:34,197 --> 01:08:35,720
to take your own life...
1435
01:08:36,155 --> 01:08:38,679
You piss into a hurricane
only for so fucking long, and..
1436
01:08:40,116 --> 01:08:41,813
you got tired of that shit.
1437
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:45,295
Oh, the motorcycle club
was a fresh start.
1438
01:08:45,991 --> 01:08:48,167
There was just
no prior judgments.
1439
01:08:48,211 --> 01:08:50,256
I just got to walk in, and...
1440
01:08:50,604 --> 01:08:52,954
I found myself
being myself again.
1441
01:08:54,478 --> 01:08:55,740
I actually love life.
1442
01:08:56,044 --> 01:08:59,178
I used to love laughing,
and joking around,
1443
01:08:59,222 --> 01:09:02,834
and... I lost that
for many years.
1444
01:09:03,356 --> 01:09:06,272
But with the club
it definitely came back.
1445
01:09:09,667 --> 01:09:12,365
It would seem that it's
the club's death.
1446
01:09:12,409 --> 01:09:16,456
Rightly or wrongly, it's...
had the desired effect.
1447
01:09:17,588 --> 01:09:18,719
And...
1448
01:09:21,244 --> 01:09:23,768
we won't be riding
as a club any more.
1449
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,640
What am I going
to do personally, I-- I--
1450
01:09:27,815 --> 01:09:30,122
I don't have
an answer to that, as a
1451
01:09:30,949 --> 01:09:32,516
you know, a concrete answer.
1452
01:09:34,996 --> 01:09:39,000
One thing I just know for sure,
I'll never stop riding my bike.
1453
01:09:43,309 --> 01:09:44,180
[dishes clatter]
1454
01:09:45,877 --> 01:09:47,487
...fish and chicken bits.
1455
01:09:48,575 --> 01:09:49,446
[splatter]
1456
01:09:50,882 --> 01:09:53,406
Does everyone forget
that there was zero criminality,
1457
01:09:53,450 --> 01:09:55,452
to this whole thing? Zero.
1458
01:09:55,495 --> 01:09:57,062
Like zero. Double zeros.
1459
01:09:57,628 --> 01:09:58,629
No criminality.
1460
01:09:59,151 --> 01:10:00,196
No one broke a law.
1461
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:01,545
I don't even have a ticket.
1462
01:10:02,328 --> 01:10:04,025
I don't have
a driving infraction.
1463
01:10:04,548 --> 01:10:05,897
Screwed up my life.
1464
01:10:07,028 --> 01:10:08,726
You know, I screwed
my wife up in the head.
1465
01:10:09,379 --> 01:10:12,860
Screwed up Paws, he's a mess,
that guy's a drunk now.
1466
01:10:13,252 --> 01:10:14,862
Roddy, last time I saw him,
1467
01:10:14,906 --> 01:10:16,560
was screaming at the walls,
hadn't left his
1468
01:10:16,603 --> 01:10:18,214
apartment for 36 hours.
1469
01:10:19,127 --> 01:10:23,044
Like-- Did--
Did someone win from this?
1470
01:10:25,699 --> 01:10:28,659
[unsettling music]
1471
01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:32,619
[Stephen] We're a little bit
sheltered here in B.C.,
1472
01:10:32,663 --> 01:10:34,752
because the Hells Angels
have not been
1473
01:10:34,795 --> 01:10:36,623
really challenged.
1474
01:10:36,667 --> 01:10:39,583
It's easy for the public
here in British Columbia,
1475
01:10:39,626 --> 01:10:43,195
to be apathetic and indifferent
about the Hells Angels,
1476
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:45,632
because they don't
see the daily violence.
1477
01:10:46,938 --> 01:10:48,809
'Cause they will never get dow,
1478
01:10:48,853 --> 01:10:50,768
and reveal
what they're truly all about,
1479
01:10:50,811 --> 01:10:53,336
that their sole purpose
is criminal activity.
1480
01:10:53,379 --> 01:10:55,207
The people need to believe that.
1481
01:10:55,251 --> 01:10:57,165
The public needs to
understand that and accept that.
1482
01:10:57,209 --> 01:10:59,429
We as the police
need to remind the public,
1483
01:10:59,472 --> 01:11:02,475
and send a message
to persons of that gang.
1484
01:11:03,476 --> 01:11:06,740
And again, it's the
combining the PTSD issue,
1485
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:11,919
the-- the-- per-- the--
and the perception th--
1486
01:11:11,963 --> 01:11:14,922
the answer... is...
1487
01:11:14,966 --> 01:11:16,707
join the Florian's Knights,
1488
01:11:16,750 --> 01:11:19,057
and associate
with the Hells Angels.
1489
01:11:19,492 --> 01:11:21,059
And that can help you.
1490
01:11:21,581 --> 01:11:24,628
And-- And that's--
And that's where-- where...
1491
01:11:24,671 --> 01:11:26,586
Hold on. Time out, man.
Time out.
1492
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:29,023
What have the Hells Angels
done for PTSD?
1493
01:11:29,067 --> 01:11:31,330
Like, can you
go over that for me?
1494
01:11:31,374 --> 01:11:33,463
Right? Where have they helped?
1495
01:11:33,506 --> 01:11:35,160
They create trauma,
1496
01:11:35,203 --> 01:11:38,032
they-- and-- and that's
what they're all about.
1497
01:11:38,381 --> 01:11:40,470
So, that would be
my opinion on that.
1498
01:11:41,427 --> 01:11:43,386
[engine rumbling]
1499
01:11:43,429 --> 01:11:44,387
[engine cuts]
1500
01:11:48,391 --> 01:11:49,783
[Smith] People take things,
1501
01:11:50,131 --> 01:11:51,742
they see you
doing something like,
1502
01:11:51,785 --> 01:11:53,309
we go to a fire,
we're breaking windows,
1503
01:11:53,352 --> 01:11:54,701
and they start yelling at you,
1504
01:11:54,745 --> 01:11:55,789
"Why you breaking
the windows for?"
1505
01:11:55,833 --> 01:11:57,225
"Oh, you're doing extra damage."
1506
01:11:57,704 --> 01:11:59,358
Excuse me, I'm a fireman,
1507
01:11:59,402 --> 01:12:01,229
you're a civilian,
you don't know what I'm doing.
1508
01:12:05,451 --> 01:12:07,323
[Smith] I'm
releasing the hot gases
1509
01:12:07,366 --> 01:12:09,890
in there for the hose team,
so when they come in,
1510
01:12:10,761 --> 01:12:13,677
the smoke rises,
the temperature goes down,
1511
01:12:14,068 --> 01:12:16,201
but they only
see me breaking windows,
1512
01:12:16,244 --> 01:12:18,072
so they get a little agitated.
1513
01:12:18,116 --> 01:12:20,727
[siren wailing]
1514
01:12:21,685 --> 01:12:23,208
[Smith] Now you
add a bike into it.
1515
01:12:23,251 --> 01:12:24,905
Oh, and now you're
an outlaw biker,
1516
01:12:24,949 --> 01:12:26,472
and now you're this,
now you're...
1517
01:12:26,516 --> 01:12:28,953
No, that's how
you perceive something.
1518
01:12:28,996 --> 01:12:30,215
Everybody should take
1519
01:12:31,695 --> 01:12:33,392
a couple steps back,
look at the big fuckin' picture,
1520
01:12:33,436 --> 01:12:36,656
and see what everybody's doin',
not just because of...
1521
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:39,355
[thumping]
1522
01:12:39,398 --> 01:12:41,008
Look, at what...
1523
01:12:41,792 --> 01:12:42,793
that club's doing.
1524
01:12:43,620 --> 01:12:44,708
Something positive.
1525
01:12:46,666 --> 01:12:48,320
[Sabini] I'm, you know,
I'm not ignorant,
1526
01:12:48,364 --> 01:12:51,236
and I'm sympathetic
to the problems that
1527
01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:55,371
Canada has seen, with
some outlaw clubs, and I've...
1528
01:12:56,676 --> 01:12:58,243
It's not always
necessarily with the club,
1529
01:12:58,286 --> 01:13:00,158
sometimes it's
individuals in those clubs,
1530
01:13:00,201 --> 01:13:01,855
and I told Nick that
from the beginning,
1531
01:13:02,203 --> 01:13:04,597
especially in New York City,
we're under the microscope,
1532
01:13:04,641 --> 01:13:08,166
and we cannot be associated...
1533
01:13:09,167 --> 01:13:10,951
in any kind of way
with a one-percent club.
1534
01:13:10,995 --> 01:13:12,779
Hindsight being twenty-twenty,
1535
01:13:12,823 --> 01:13:14,955
he thought it was
a personal photo,
1536
01:13:15,565 --> 01:13:17,828
that wasn't gonna be shared,
with a childhood friend.
1537
01:13:18,568 --> 01:13:19,743
As far as I'm concerned,
1538
01:13:19,786 --> 01:13:20,831
that's the only thing
Nick's done wrong.
1539
01:13:21,484 --> 01:13:25,270
And it's certainly not
the consequences
1540
01:13:25,313 --> 01:13:30,014
that he's had to face, don't
match... that, that slip-up.
1541
01:13:35,193 --> 01:13:36,760
[Cooper] I don't even know
where that came from.
1542
01:13:36,803 --> 01:13:39,197
I-- It's incredible,
because they got it wrong.
1543
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,068
They got it wrong then,
they got it wrong now.
1544
01:13:41,112 --> 01:13:44,071
And unfortunately that was
a tragic situation out there.
1545
01:13:44,115 --> 01:13:46,726
It's so easy to discern
the one-percent guys
1546
01:13:46,770 --> 01:13:48,380
from anything else,
1547
01:13:48,424 --> 01:13:49,947
then there's
so many people in Ontario,
1548
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:51,122
there's
so many people riding bikes,
1549
01:13:51,165 --> 01:13:52,558
that, the one-percent people
1550
01:13:52,602 --> 01:13:54,386
look like
the one-percent people.
1551
01:13:54,430 --> 01:13:56,083
God love them, they're doing
whatever they're gonna do.
1552
01:13:56,127 --> 01:13:57,781
And what we're doing,
and what we're trying to do,
1553
01:13:57,824 --> 01:14:00,261
is we're trying to
bring attention to illness
1554
01:14:00,305 --> 01:14:02,002
in the job that we love.
1555
01:14:02,394 --> 01:14:05,441
-Three-fourteen, responding...
-[siren wailing]
1556
01:14:06,267 --> 01:14:07,443
[Cooper] You see,
if somebody judge me--
1557
01:14:07,486 --> 01:14:09,270
judges me by the way I look
1558
01:14:09,314 --> 01:14:10,881
and with the tattoos on
my hands and everything,
1559
01:14:10,924 --> 01:14:12,491
they're gonna think something,
that rather than what I am.
1560
01:14:12,535 --> 01:14:13,666
And you know what,
that's too bad.
1561
01:14:13,971 --> 01:14:15,233
'Cause in this day and age,
1562
01:14:15,276 --> 01:14:16,277
we should be a little bit
smarter than that.
1563
01:14:19,019 --> 01:14:20,673
[Elmes] I get it,
I fit a profile,
1564
01:14:20,717 --> 01:14:23,241
I look a certain way,
I'm an easy target.
1565
01:14:23,284 --> 01:14:26,418
It just wreckin' my reputation,
you're wreckin'
1566
01:14:27,071 --> 01:14:28,986
a good club, you're wreckin'
1567
01:14:29,029 --> 01:14:30,553
what people
are trying to change,
1568
01:14:30,596 --> 01:14:33,512
that stigma of bikers
and motorcycle clubs,
1569
01:14:33,556 --> 01:14:35,427
you-- you just wrecked it again,
1570
01:14:35,471 --> 01:14:38,169
like, we're working
so hard to change that, now...
1571
01:14:38,212 --> 01:14:39,997
you're taking it away,
and it's like, no wonder
1572
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,174
nobody likes bikers, they just
keep bashing everybody,
1573
01:14:43,217 --> 01:14:44,654
put us under the same umbrella.
1574
01:15:06,502 --> 01:15:09,505
[hissing]
1575
01:15:10,941 --> 01:15:12,203
[McLaurin] My name
is Darnell McLaurin.
1576
01:15:13,639 --> 01:15:15,598
I go by the name "Tiny."
1577
01:15:15,641 --> 01:15:18,775
I pulled a nine-year old girl
out of a four flat, right?
1578
01:15:19,427 --> 01:15:22,605
I'm givin' her mouth-to-mouth,
it's pourin' down rain,
1579
01:15:23,301 --> 01:15:25,651
went into the hospital,
we get her to the hospital.
1580
01:15:25,695 --> 01:15:27,305
Right before
I got to the hospital,
1581
01:15:27,348 --> 01:15:28,959
I gave her one last breath,
1582
01:15:29,002 --> 01:15:30,743
she bit her bottom lip,
I knew we had her back.
1583
01:15:31,222 --> 01:15:33,529
Right? We go into the hospital,
1584
01:15:33,572 --> 01:15:35,313
they tube her,
they do everything,
1585
01:15:35,748 --> 01:15:37,707
little girl is living, right?
1586
01:15:38,142 --> 01:15:39,796
So you get off shift
in the morning,
1587
01:15:40,231 --> 01:15:41,972
go to the hospital,
1588
01:15:42,015 --> 01:15:43,669
there's not a soul there
with this nine-year old girl.
1589
01:15:43,713 --> 01:15:47,064
Not a mama, not a daddy,
not a aunty, not a cousin.
1590
01:15:47,107 --> 01:15:49,109
There was nobody
with this child!
1591
01:15:49,936 --> 01:15:51,721
But where do we
vent all that out, then?
1592
01:15:52,330 --> 01:15:53,287
Right here.
1593
01:15:55,333 --> 01:15:56,552
Right here at this clubhouse.
1594
01:15:57,335 --> 01:16:00,468
[smooth rock music]
1595
01:16:03,559 --> 01:16:06,823
[door rumbling]
1596
01:16:10,914 --> 01:16:14,047
[engine rumbling]
1597
01:16:18,138 --> 01:16:19,270
[Gilbert] My name's Brent.
1598
01:16:19,313 --> 01:16:21,359
I'm with Detroit
Fire Department.
1599
01:16:21,881 --> 01:16:23,622
I'm the National President
1600
01:16:23,666 --> 01:16:26,277
of the Axemen Professional
Firefighter Motorcycle Club.
1601
01:16:26,886 --> 01:16:30,455
The City of Detroit...
Go big or go home.
1602
01:16:31,021 --> 01:16:32,457
You know, that's how it is.
1603
01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:34,111
-[engines rumbling]
-[music continues]
1604
01:16:34,154 --> 01:16:35,982
[McLaurin] Detroit
is the Major League
1605
01:16:36,287 --> 01:16:37,505
of firefighting.
1606
01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:40,030
We'd been out
fighting fires all week.
1607
01:16:40,073 --> 01:16:41,727
I had a messed-up call,
1608
01:16:41,771 --> 01:16:43,511
people arms was missing,
legs was missing,
1609
01:16:43,555 --> 01:16:45,992
you know,
head shot off, whatever.
1610
01:16:46,036 --> 01:16:47,864
We talked about it,
1611
01:16:47,907 --> 01:16:49,561
and now we're
gonna ride about it.
1612
01:16:51,563 --> 01:16:52,912
-[engine rumbling]
-[music continues]
1613
01:16:53,217 --> 01:16:55,480
So, pre-bankruptcy,
post-bankruptcy, right?
1614
01:16:55,523 --> 01:16:56,655
It's all the same.
1615
01:16:56,699 --> 01:16:58,178
We're gonna hold each other up,
1616
01:16:58,483 --> 01:17:00,616
the Axemen, we're
gonna hold each other up.
1617
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,488
We goin' make sure
everybody get through the storm.
1618
01:17:03,531 --> 01:17:06,404
-[engine rumbling]
-[music continues]
1619
01:17:07,535 --> 01:17:09,233
[Gilbert] Going
through depressions,
1620
01:17:09,276 --> 01:17:10,321
and going through
all these horrible times,
1621
01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:11,757
through all these years,
1622
01:17:11,801 --> 01:17:12,932
the Detroit riots
and everything.
1623
01:17:15,065 --> 01:17:16,806
This is an outlet for us.
1624
01:17:16,849 --> 01:17:20,113
-[engine rumbling]
-[rock music continues]
1625
01:17:25,162 --> 01:17:27,207
[Gilbert] As far as
the motorcycle club,
1626
01:17:27,251 --> 01:17:30,123
we're all Detroit, it's
on its own event level, too.
1627
01:17:30,167 --> 01:17:33,866
We got so many motorcycle clubs,
it's ridiculous, and--
1628
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:36,086
I don't know of any other city
that's really like that.
1629
01:17:36,826 --> 01:17:40,133
-[engines rumbling]
-[rock music ends]
1630
01:17:42,745 --> 01:17:46,096
[indistinct voices]
1631
01:17:47,314 --> 01:17:48,228
[man yelling]
1632
01:17:48,272 --> 01:17:49,882
[rock song on player]
1633
01:17:49,926 --> 01:17:52,493
♪ Don't come knockin'
On my door ♪
1634
01:17:52,537 --> 01:17:55,366
♪ I don't wanna see
Your shadow no more ♪
1635
01:17:55,409 --> 01:17:58,543
♪ 'Cause the lot
Gets hypnotized... ♪
1636
01:18:00,893 --> 01:18:02,112
♪ Now woman up
1637
01:18:03,069 --> 01:18:05,376
♪ Get away
1638
01:18:05,898 --> 01:18:07,683
♪ American woman
1639
01:18:07,726 --> 01:18:10,816
-[song cuts]
-[indistinct voices]
1640
01:18:17,301 --> 01:18:18,432
[Harvey] Let me take this off.
1641
01:18:18,476 --> 01:18:19,477
It's there.
1642
01:18:20,391 --> 01:18:21,697
My centerpiece.
1643
01:18:25,178 --> 01:18:27,659
Represents, man and a woman.
1644
01:18:28,442 --> 01:18:29,313
Family.
1645
01:18:29,835 --> 01:18:31,054
[slow rock music]
1646
01:18:31,097 --> 01:18:32,925
Club name is Hammer,
1647
01:18:32,969 --> 01:18:35,667
been part of the Boogie Down
since about 30 years.
1648
01:18:36,537 --> 01:18:38,888
When I first came here,
it was a nice beautiful city,
1649
01:18:38,931 --> 01:18:40,716
lot of houses, lot of people.
1650
01:18:40,759 --> 01:18:42,369
[indistinct voices]
1651
01:18:42,718 --> 01:18:44,284
It took a turn for the worse.
1652
01:18:45,024 --> 01:18:47,635
Detroit, lot of houses
are burnt out right now.
1653
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:49,681
-[indistinct voices]
-[slow rock music continues]
1654
01:18:49,725 --> 01:18:51,596
Sometimes call it
the murder capital
1655
01:18:51,639 --> 01:18:53,772
of the United States,
you know what I'm sayin', so...
1656
01:18:53,816 --> 01:18:56,035
It's always been
crime here, it's no
1657
01:18:56,383 --> 01:18:57,341
denying that.
1658
01:18:57,384 --> 01:19:00,126
[music continues]
1659
01:19:00,605 --> 01:19:02,302
We range from everything,
1660
01:19:02,346 --> 01:19:04,522
police officers,
fire department.
1661
01:19:04,827 --> 01:19:06,872
[music continues]
1662
01:19:08,091 --> 01:19:10,615
Being a biker
is us against the world,
1663
01:19:10,658 --> 01:19:11,877
and people...
1664
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:15,315
they can be
somethin' different here.
1665
01:19:15,359 --> 01:19:18,754
-[engine whining]
-[tire squealing]
1666
01:19:19,842 --> 01:19:21,626
You almost become a superhero
1667
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:23,802
in that sense, you know
what I'm sayin', you just--
1668
01:19:23,846 --> 01:19:27,197
Whatever you got inside of you
that you always wanted to do...
1669
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,416
-[engine whining]
-[tire squealing]
1670
01:19:30,330 --> 01:19:32,506
You can do it without
anybody botherin' you about it.
1671
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:34,726
[engine whining]
1672
01:19:34,770 --> 01:19:36,380
You can just be you.
1673
01:19:36,423 --> 01:19:39,252
-[engine roaring]
-[slow rock music continues]
1674
01:19:39,296 --> 01:19:40,950
[man] There you have it,
ladies and gentlemen!
1675
01:19:40,993 --> 01:19:43,561
A complete circle
from the Boogie Down.
1676
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:45,041
Right there.
1677
01:19:46,042 --> 01:19:47,130
[music fades]
1678
01:19:47,826 --> 01:19:49,785
The riding, I enjoy riding,
1679
01:19:49,828 --> 01:19:51,482
it's just a whole
different world
1680
01:19:51,525 --> 01:19:52,744
when you get
out there on that bike.
1681
01:19:52,788 --> 01:19:54,441
[engines rumbling]
1682
01:19:55,312 --> 01:19:58,750
It's just...
unexplainable, sometimes.
1683
01:19:58,794 --> 01:20:00,404
You know, the feeling
that it gives you.
1684
01:20:00,447 --> 01:20:03,494
-[upbeat rock song]
-[engines rumbling]
1685
01:20:22,078 --> 01:20:24,297
[Harvey] It's just a way of
letting go of everything,
1686
01:20:24,341 --> 01:20:26,038
whether I'm gonna
pay my mortgage or,
1687
01:20:26,082 --> 01:20:28,824
you know, the day-to-day,
a lot of freedom.
1688
01:20:28,867 --> 01:20:31,914
-[song continues]
-[engine rumbling]
1689
01:20:41,662 --> 01:20:43,751
[song fades]
1690
01:20:44,578 --> 01:20:47,668
[indistinct voices]
1691
01:20:48,017 --> 01:20:49,888
[Harvey] People
outside of the club have
1692
01:20:49,932 --> 01:20:52,282
a stereotype of bikers,
1693
01:20:52,325 --> 01:20:55,459
which has always been,
probably always will be.
1694
01:20:55,502 --> 01:20:57,853
They... label us as a gang.
1695
01:20:57,896 --> 01:21:01,204
-[engine rumbling]
-[rock music]
1696
01:21:02,292 --> 01:21:03,597
Police down there.
1697
01:21:05,425 --> 01:21:06,731
I guess somebody pulled over.
1698
01:21:06,992 --> 01:21:08,689
That blue-red... [unclear]
1699
01:21:08,733 --> 01:21:11,257
[Harvey] It's not
like we're angels,
1700
01:21:11,301 --> 01:21:14,478
you know, we've been involved
in a few things ourselves,
1701
01:21:14,521 --> 01:21:15,740
'cause even like I say,
we have people
1702
01:21:15,783 --> 01:21:17,611
of all walks of life here, so..
1703
01:21:18,874 --> 01:21:21,485
Some clubs are here to...
to rule the world,
1704
01:21:21,528 --> 01:21:25,402
and some are to just have fun,
and-- Our agenda is not to be
1705
01:21:25,968 --> 01:21:27,360
terrorizing the public.
1706
01:21:28,492 --> 01:21:30,842
And so when they see us
coming up the street,
1707
01:21:30,886 --> 01:21:35,107
two by two, twenty deep,
they just like,
1708
01:21:35,151 --> 01:21:36,848
"Some bad guys,
get out of their way."
1709
01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:39,024
We're firefighters,
nothin' else.
1710
01:21:40,373 --> 01:21:43,681
[Gilbert] We've never had
that problem with the police,
1711
01:21:43,724 --> 01:21:45,596
'cause they know who we are.
1712
01:21:45,639 --> 01:21:48,904
We've had to prove ourselves,
over and over and over again,
1713
01:21:48,947 --> 01:21:51,428
and every time we set up
a new chapter somewhere else,
1714
01:21:51,471 --> 01:21:52,777
they have to prove themselves.
1715
01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:54,300
We're here for the community.
1716
01:21:54,692 --> 01:21:57,825
We're not here for
anything else, but that.
1717
01:21:58,304 --> 01:22:00,741
You know, I've blown by
Detroit Police at 90,
1718
01:22:00,785 --> 01:22:03,788
they look at my back or...
"Axemen, let 'em go."
1719
01:22:04,180 --> 01:22:06,312
Not every MC
1720
01:22:06,878 --> 01:22:09,011
-is like that.
-[engine rumbling]
1721
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:13,058
[McLaurin] 'Cause I feel bad
for those guys in Vancouver.
1722
01:22:13,102 --> 01:22:16,583
And it's not just Vancouver,
I've heard of other departments,
1723
01:22:16,627 --> 01:22:17,497
as well,
1724
01:22:18,585 --> 01:22:20,283
where they,
got the option, quit,
1725
01:22:20,848 --> 01:22:22,241
or lose your job.
1726
01:22:22,285 --> 01:22:25,070
Not understanding
what this guy is about,
1727
01:22:25,114 --> 01:22:27,203
not understanding what
his organization is about.
1728
01:22:27,638 --> 01:22:29,683
Here's the way
I try to explain it, right?
1729
01:22:30,641 --> 01:22:33,861
Just because I have a uniform on
with a badge and a name tag,
1730
01:22:33,905 --> 01:22:35,646
I walked in grocery stores,
and people be like,
1731
01:22:35,689 --> 01:22:36,690
"Officer, officer."
1732
01:22:37,082 --> 01:22:38,562
They ain't payin' attention.
1733
01:22:38,605 --> 01:22:40,390
All they see is the uniform,
and they think I'm a cop.
1734
01:22:40,694 --> 01:22:42,479
But what they
don't see is a gun,
1735
01:22:42,522 --> 01:22:44,002
they don't see a fucking
1736
01:22:44,046 --> 01:22:46,787
handcuff, they don't
see all that other shit,
1737
01:22:46,831 --> 01:22:48,050
that cops wear, right?
1738
01:22:48,441 --> 01:22:50,487
Only thing they
identify with is the uniform.
1739
01:22:50,791 --> 01:22:53,011
And so, the only thing
they identify with,
1740
01:22:53,055 --> 01:22:55,753
when they see firefighters
riding motorcycles,
1741
01:22:55,796 --> 01:22:59,844
is... a stereotypical... biker.
1742
01:23:00,192 --> 01:23:01,672
Right?
1743
01:23:01,715 --> 01:23:03,500
But, they need to
have that opportunity,
1744
01:23:04,066 --> 01:23:07,069
to converse with me,
and say, "Hey, no, we aren't...
1745
01:23:07,112 --> 01:23:09,027
what you perceive us to be,
1746
01:23:09,071 --> 01:23:11,508
just like,
I may look like a cop,
1747
01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:14,772
but if you dig a little deeper,
I'm not.
1748
01:23:14,815 --> 01:23:16,730
I'm just a firefighter
in a grocery store, shopping."
1749
01:23:21,257 --> 01:23:24,260
Yeah, so these two, but...
obviously these two, total loss.
1750
01:23:24,303 --> 01:23:26,523
That's where... [unclear]
1751
01:23:29,482 --> 01:23:32,050
[Nevin] The firefighters want to
come to work and do their job.
1752
01:23:32,094 --> 01:23:33,443
They wanna have
enough to do their job,
1753
01:23:33,486 --> 01:23:35,401
they want the equipment
to do their job.
1754
01:23:35,793 --> 01:23:38,056
Cities like Detroit,
maybe New York,
1755
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:39,623
after what they experienced,
1756
01:23:39,666 --> 01:23:41,842
Toronto, Vancouver,
your bigger cities.
1757
01:23:41,886 --> 01:23:45,411
The jobs of public safety
had become more complicated.
1758
01:23:45,455 --> 01:23:47,848
There's cellphones,
there's cameras.
1759
01:23:48,153 --> 01:23:50,155
We have to be more responsible,
1760
01:23:50,547 --> 01:23:52,462
and we should be
more responsible.
1761
01:23:52,505 --> 01:23:55,856
We're held at a very
high level in the public,
1762
01:23:55,900 --> 01:23:57,945
they expect us
to act a certain way.
1763
01:23:58,294 --> 01:24:00,600
But when you're on
your twelfth run of the day,
1764
01:24:00,644 --> 01:24:03,081
and you haven't slept
and you're not thinking right,
1765
01:24:03,125 --> 01:24:05,257
and that you've only had
a half a cup of coffee,
1766
01:24:05,823 --> 01:24:07,085
you make mistakes.
1767
01:24:07,129 --> 01:24:08,260
[rumbling]
1768
01:24:08,869 --> 01:24:11,089
[rumbling crash]
1769
01:24:11,133 --> 01:24:12,264
And then they go,
"Well, look at that
1770
01:24:12,743 --> 01:24:14,353
silly guy over there,
1771
01:24:14,397 --> 01:24:15,702
or look at the mistake
made over there."
1772
01:24:15,746 --> 01:24:17,791
[rumbling crash]
1773
01:24:18,357 --> 01:24:20,098
That you're a jerk now,
1774
01:24:20,142 --> 01:24:22,057
and the Department
wants to shit all over you,
1775
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:24,102
rather than
get you into treatment,
1776
01:24:24,146 --> 01:24:25,103
and rather help you.
1777
01:24:25,147 --> 01:24:26,713
This union in Detroit,
1778
01:24:27,149 --> 01:24:29,977
has been begging
for support for PTSD
1779
01:24:30,021 --> 01:24:31,631
and peer support help.
1780
01:24:31,675 --> 01:24:33,503
We've gotten none.
1781
01:24:33,546 --> 01:24:35,461
And what they'll do is,
they'll use you for pictures,
1782
01:24:35,505 --> 01:24:37,333
they'll stand
next to you on election day,
1783
01:24:37,376 --> 01:24:38,986
and they'll want your support,
1784
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:40,466
and the minute it's over,
you're done.
1785
01:24:40,510 --> 01:24:42,294
And then
they'll cut your budget,
1786
01:24:42,338 --> 01:24:44,122
shut your firehouse,
1787
01:24:44,166 --> 01:24:45,732
and expect the guys
that are left to do more.
1788
01:24:47,691 --> 01:24:49,214
It's bullshit.
1789
01:24:49,258 --> 01:24:51,260
And it's happening
all across North America.
1790
01:24:53,653 --> 01:24:55,742
[engine starts]
1791
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:58,397
[Cooper] There's a lot more
of media scrutiny,
1792
01:24:58,441 --> 01:25:00,182
obviously, we're doing this,
right now.
1793
01:25:00,573 --> 01:25:02,836
I mean, there's a lot more media
scrutiny than there ever was.
1794
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,447
[engine rumbling]
1795
01:25:04,490 --> 01:25:06,579
And this is new
to a lot of people
1796
01:25:06,623 --> 01:25:08,494
that are in the Fire Service,
1797
01:25:08,538 --> 01:25:10,235
and it doesn't always come off
the best way possible.
1798
01:25:10,540 --> 01:25:12,237
Or portray us in the most--
in the-- in the best light.
1799
01:25:12,585 --> 01:25:14,196
And because we're--
1800
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:16,154
the whole world's
been more decentralized,
1801
01:25:16,198 --> 01:25:19,418
through media and the internet
and everything else, it--
1802
01:25:19,462 --> 01:25:21,681
it can sometimes
work against us.
1803
01:25:23,205 --> 01:25:24,989
People were
applauding the fire trucks
1804
01:25:25,032 --> 01:25:26,469
when we were driving
down the street to calls,
1805
01:25:27,296 --> 01:25:30,386
after nine-eleven,
for a-- for a year.
1806
01:25:30,429 --> 01:25:33,084
We were nine hours
away from New York.
1807
01:25:33,345 --> 01:25:35,173
We didn't do any of the stuff
that happened down there,
1808
01:25:35,565 --> 01:25:37,480
but the perception
of the Fire Department changed.
1809
01:25:37,523 --> 01:25:38,568
[man] Why not?
1810
01:25:38,611 --> 01:25:40,178
Now we're down the road,
1811
01:25:40,222 --> 01:25:41,832
however many years
since nine-eleven,
1812
01:25:42,267 --> 01:25:43,834
that's gone away.
1813
01:25:43,877 --> 01:25:45,357
They think
we're over-paid sometimes,
1814
01:25:45,401 --> 01:25:46,924
they think,
you know, we're lazy,
1815
01:25:46,967 --> 01:25:48,099
or we're doing this,
or doing that.
1816
01:25:48,143 --> 01:25:49,579
That's just the way that works.
1817
01:25:49,622 --> 01:25:52,147
That's unfortunate,
because we were just
1818
01:25:52,190 --> 01:25:53,757
at a straight line,
pretty well all the time,
1819
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,367
but the opinion can change,
1820
01:25:55,411 --> 01:25:57,108
based on what else
is going on around.
1821
01:25:57,152 --> 01:25:58,762
-[indistinct voices]
-[unsettling music]
1822
01:25:58,805 --> 01:26:00,329
[MacDonald] The dangers
are constant.
1823
01:26:01,068 --> 01:26:04,028
They should remember that,
when they see
1824
01:26:05,116 --> 01:26:06,422
these articles.
1825
01:26:08,119 --> 01:26:09,512
Come to your senses.
1826
01:26:09,555 --> 01:26:11,122
Remember what we're about.
1827
01:26:11,731 --> 01:26:13,385
Remember what we've done.
1828
01:26:13,429 --> 01:26:15,213
[unsettling music continues]
1829
01:26:15,257 --> 01:26:18,782
[Sabini] If there's
another terrorist attack...
1830
01:26:18,825 --> 01:26:22,177
in the city, we're there,
we're the front lines, we're...
1831
01:26:22,786 --> 01:26:25,702
We're the first wave,
it's gonna get, you know,
1832
01:26:26,006 --> 01:26:26,877
to be in it.
1833
01:26:28,183 --> 01:26:30,315
[cheering]
1834
01:26:30,359 --> 01:26:34,058
[man] We're just, literally,
arriving at our destination.
1835
01:26:34,101 --> 01:26:35,538
Finally.
1836
01:26:35,581 --> 01:26:37,235
We're, what,
three, four hours late,
1837
01:26:37,279 --> 01:26:38,280
but here we are.
1838
01:26:39,542 --> 01:26:41,108
[man 2] I got
one question for you!
1839
01:26:41,152 --> 01:26:46,897
Are you ready?
1840
01:26:46,940 --> 01:26:53,991
Your 2019 NBA champion,
Toronto Raptors!
1841
01:26:54,687 --> 01:26:56,428
It's the question of,
1842
01:26:56,472 --> 01:26:58,038
sort of balancing
what your experience is
1843
01:26:58,082 --> 01:26:59,170
and what your training is.
1844
01:26:59,214 --> 01:27:00,824
We train for these events.
1845
01:27:01,128 --> 01:27:03,087
We know that
there will be large crowds.
1846
01:27:04,175 --> 01:27:09,920
[man 3] The NBA title is yours!
1847
01:27:11,095 --> 01:27:12,401
The ones that make you think,
1848
01:27:12,444 --> 01:27:13,967
are the ones that,
being unable to
1849
01:27:14,011 --> 01:27:16,143
address all the issues
that happen at the time.
1850
01:27:16,187 --> 01:27:18,015
[man 4] They needed to create
1851
01:27:18,058 --> 01:27:20,409
a locker room
of respect and regard.
1852
01:27:20,757 --> 01:27:23,977
I wanna make sure
everybody stays calm right now.
1853
01:27:24,282 --> 01:27:26,589
Okay, please, stay calm.
1854
01:27:26,632 --> 01:27:29,635
If-- We're dealing--
I'm getting information
1855
01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:31,550
that we're dealing
with a situation
1856
01:27:31,594 --> 01:27:32,595
that's not far from here.
1857
01:27:32,638 --> 01:27:33,770
This is serious.
1858
01:27:33,813 --> 01:27:34,727
[gunshots]
1859
01:27:34,771 --> 01:27:35,815
[screaming]
1860
01:27:35,859 --> 01:27:37,861
[indistinct announcement]
1861
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,082
[newscaster] I wanna go
to my colleague,
1862
01:27:42,126 --> 01:27:44,259
Shepard Smith, apparently
a shooting in Toronto?
1863
01:27:45,129 --> 01:27:47,000
[reporter] Reports
of woman shot,
1864
01:27:47,044 --> 01:27:49,699
people running from the area,
police, EMS on scene.
1865
01:27:49,742 --> 01:27:51,831
Unknown what the injuries are.
1866
01:27:51,875 --> 01:27:53,355
-[indistinct voices]
-[sirens wailing]
1867
01:27:54,530 --> 01:27:57,272
-[indistinct voices]
-[unsettling anticipatory music]
1868
01:28:01,188 --> 01:28:02,668
And we do not
1869
01:28:02,712 --> 01:28:05,280
stand back and wait
for a police presence
1870
01:28:05,323 --> 01:28:06,890
or anything else like that,
we go do it.
1871
01:28:06,933 --> 01:28:10,197
-[sirens wailing]
-[anticipatory music continues]
1872
01:28:12,156 --> 01:28:14,289
[indistinct voices]
1873
01:28:18,467 --> 01:28:23,385
-[sirens wailing]
-[music continues]
1874
01:28:23,428 --> 01:28:26,910
[tense music]
1875
01:28:30,392 --> 01:28:32,350
[Cooper] And there were
somewhere in the neighborhood f
1876
01:28:32,394 --> 01:28:36,354
249 calls in the four hours
that the event was taking place.
1877
01:28:38,530 --> 01:28:40,750
There was a child this morning,
before we started the event,
1878
01:28:41,228 --> 01:28:42,752
that was a six-month old infant,
1879
01:28:42,795 --> 01:28:44,144
got crushed
in the baby cares today.
1880
01:28:45,232 --> 01:28:46,973
Probably haven't
seen that before,
1881
01:28:47,017 --> 01:28:48,323
now they have that
in the back of their minds,
1882
01:28:48,366 --> 01:28:49,759
when they have these events,
1883
01:28:49,802 --> 01:28:51,369
or maybe it stays with them,
even worse than that.
1884
01:28:54,285 --> 01:28:56,592
Now that you're gonna
see more injuries more often,
1885
01:28:56,635 --> 01:28:58,071
and more gruesome injuries.
1886
01:28:58,115 --> 01:28:59,638
As the officer,
1887
01:28:59,682 --> 01:29:01,684
my concern is
to be thinking about my crew.
1888
01:29:01,727 --> 01:29:03,512
'Cause they're--
Those are the people
1889
01:29:03,555 --> 01:29:06,384
their spouses,
I have to talk to afterward.
1890
01:29:06,428 --> 01:29:07,690
They don't call somebody else.
1891
01:29:09,605 --> 01:29:11,607
[hissing]
1892
01:29:12,521 --> 01:29:14,349
If you're also feeling that way,
1893
01:29:14,392 --> 01:29:16,220
you know what, speak up,
let's talk about this.
1894
01:29:16,699 --> 01:29:18,527
Let's, you know,
let's talk about this,
1895
01:29:18,570 --> 01:29:20,398
and get some kind of...
1896
01:29:20,442 --> 01:29:22,531
repartee going on
amongst ourselves,
1897
01:29:22,574 --> 01:29:24,097
so that we can address this,
1898
01:29:24,141 --> 01:29:25,795
so that we don't
lose more people.
1899
01:29:25,838 --> 01:29:28,188
-[indistinct voices]
-[reflective music]
1900
01:29:30,060 --> 01:29:33,150
[engines rumbling]
1901
01:29:36,371 --> 01:29:39,504
[Cooper] And that's why, when
Florian's Knights were developed
1902
01:29:39,548 --> 01:29:41,376
and they had a goal,
you know, they had--
1903
01:29:41,419 --> 01:29:44,291
they knew that people
were suffering from PTSD,
1904
01:29:44,683 --> 01:29:46,119
and they wanted to try to do--
1905
01:29:46,163 --> 01:29:47,860
to help something
with that particular
1906
01:29:47,904 --> 01:29:51,211
rather than a big space,
because there is a space there.
1907
01:29:51,255 --> 01:29:52,343
[engine rumbling]
1908
01:29:54,606 --> 01:29:56,478
[reflective song]
1909
01:29:56,521 --> 01:29:59,742
[Sabini] In nine months,
unfortunately, since, you know,
1910
01:29:59,785 --> 01:30:02,179
we've lost the Lower
Mainland Chapter, we got
1911
01:30:02,658 --> 01:30:04,834
a couple of guys
start up in Boston,
1912
01:30:04,877 --> 01:30:07,663
London, England, and Toronto.
1913
01:30:09,099 --> 01:30:11,754
It's for all firefighters,
for all of us.
1914
01:30:12,363 --> 01:30:14,800
If people don't wanna
hear about it, or they...
1915
01:30:16,498 --> 01:30:18,413
they wanna
spin their truth, then,
1916
01:30:18,456 --> 01:30:19,457
fuck 'em.
1917
01:30:19,501 --> 01:30:21,111
We're gonna keep doin'
1918
01:30:21,154 --> 01:30:22,895
what we're doin', 'cause we know
we're doin' the right thing.
1919
01:30:23,287 --> 01:30:26,377
-[crackling explosions]
-[song continues]
1920
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:34,559
[dispatcher indistinct]
1921
01:30:34,603 --> 01:30:36,343
What's up, guys?
1922
01:30:36,387 --> 01:30:38,084
[Nevin] Well, you know,
when you're a union guy,
1923
01:30:38,128 --> 01:30:39,434
you become...
1924
01:30:39,999 --> 01:30:41,827
There's so much coming at you,
1925
01:30:41,871 --> 01:30:44,047
with negotiations
and economics and stuff, that
1926
01:30:44,090 --> 01:30:46,049
sometimes
you forget a little bit.
1927
01:30:46,571 --> 01:30:48,443
You know,
when you guys came in here,
1928
01:30:48,486 --> 01:30:49,792
and you mentioned that
you were going to New York,
1929
01:30:49,835 --> 01:30:52,098
and Vancouver
and Toronto, and...
1930
01:30:52,142 --> 01:30:54,187
you were in Detroit, you know,
1931
01:30:54,623 --> 01:30:57,843
you kinda kick me in the rear
a little bit, you know, and...
1932
01:30:57,887 --> 01:31:01,630
So I filed this little lawsuit,
yesterday,
1933
01:31:02,195 --> 01:31:05,198
and it's for every single member
on the Detroit Fire Department.
1934
01:31:05,242 --> 01:31:06,852
I've got all their names,
1935
01:31:06,896 --> 01:31:09,072
I listed here
every single person.
1936
01:31:09,115 --> 01:31:11,335
The City's failure to
1937
01:31:11,901 --> 01:31:15,382
supply us with
any type of real PTSD
1938
01:31:15,426 --> 01:31:19,169
procedure, because,
enough is enough.
1939
01:31:19,996 --> 01:31:23,042
-[indistinct voice on radio]
-[reflective song continues]
1940
01:31:29,571 --> 01:31:32,617
[reflective song continues]
1941
01:31:41,104 --> 01:31:42,975
[clinking]
1942
01:31:50,635 --> 01:31:53,986
-[blades whirring]
-[song continues]
1943
01:31:59,644 --> 01:32:01,603
[Bjarnason] Well, I always knew
I'd come back to Logan,
1944
01:32:01,646 --> 01:32:04,214
it's one of the most
beautiful places on earth.
1945
01:32:04,519 --> 01:32:06,956
[reflective song continues]
1946
01:32:08,523 --> 01:32:10,699
And I'd rather take
my chance on the mountain,
1947
01:32:10,742 --> 01:32:13,353
than give my life
to the Fire Department.
1948
01:32:13,397 --> 01:32:16,792
-[blades whirring]
-[song continues]
1949
01:32:58,050 --> 01:33:00,618
[MacDonald] People
with PTSD can isolate.
1950
01:33:02,228 --> 01:33:04,491
Everything has to be
dealt with in your head.
1951
01:33:04,535 --> 01:33:06,102
[reflective song continues]
1952
01:33:06,624 --> 01:33:08,626
And sometimes
doesn't work out very good.
1953
01:33:08,670 --> 01:33:11,324
The team of one
fails and crashes,
1954
01:33:11,368 --> 01:33:13,544
and you can
get lost pretty quick.
1955
01:33:16,199 --> 01:33:19,289
-[engine rumbling]
-[song continues]
1956
01:33:19,985 --> 01:33:22,292
[MacDonald] And it was great
to have a fresh start,
1957
01:33:22,335 --> 01:33:23,423
in a sense, with the club.
1958
01:33:24,729 --> 01:33:26,209
I have a feeling that
they've saved my life.
1959
01:33:32,868 --> 01:33:35,000
[song continues]
1960
01:33:35,610 --> 01:33:39,309
[Stephen] I've seen PTSD
up close and personal,
1961
01:33:39,744 --> 01:33:42,007
and what a horrifying
thing that is. Right?
1962
01:33:42,355 --> 01:33:45,141
-[indistinct voices]
-[reflective song continues]
1963
01:33:45,837 --> 01:33:48,361
[Stephen] We talk about
the New York Florian's Knights,
1964
01:33:48,710 --> 01:33:52,714
about the positiveness,
that they're all about, right.
1965
01:33:53,149 --> 01:33:56,761
And perhaps it
needs to be maintained,
1966
01:33:56,805 --> 01:33:59,111
and it needs to be built up.
1967
01:33:59,155 --> 01:34:02,027
[engine rumbling]
1968
01:34:02,071 --> 01:34:03,681
[Sabini] You know,
we've been going
1969
01:34:03,725 --> 01:34:04,900
to other people's
events and saying hi,
1970
01:34:04,943 --> 01:34:06,728
but this is our chance to say,
1971
01:34:06,771 --> 01:34:08,991
you know, this is us,
this is what we're about.
1972
01:34:09,034 --> 01:34:10,688
The biker community's
coming together.
1973
01:34:10,732 --> 01:34:13,299
[man] Don't stay in the way.
Don't worry about it.
1974
01:34:13,343 --> 01:34:14,866
[Sabini] It has
nothin' to do with
1975
01:34:14,910 --> 01:34:16,520
how many patches
we have on our back.
1976
01:34:16,563 --> 01:34:19,044
That doesn't make
a motorcycle club an outlaw.
1977
01:34:19,088 --> 01:34:22,265
-[engines rumbling]
-[reflective music]
1978
01:34:31,622 --> 01:34:33,319
[Stephen] What
was going on here,
1979
01:34:33,363 --> 01:34:37,019
and what it represented here,
in my view...
1980
01:34:37,062 --> 01:34:38,803
was not a positive thing.
1981
01:34:39,630 --> 01:34:41,414
I-- I hope it changes, right.
1982
01:34:41,458 --> 01:34:42,589
I really do.
1983
01:34:42,633 --> 01:34:44,766
I really hope, as firefighters,
1984
01:34:45,157 --> 01:34:47,507
that those
particular guys can find a...
1985
01:34:47,943 --> 01:34:51,120
can, you know,
a good ending to their journey.
1986
01:34:51,163 --> 01:34:54,384
You know, but, but,
it ain't gonna be...
1987
01:34:54,427 --> 01:34:55,428
with those dudes.
1988
01:34:58,518 --> 01:35:01,565
[reflective song continues]
1989
01:35:09,399 --> 01:35:10,530
[Elmes] I don't hear...
1990
01:35:12,141 --> 01:35:14,230
Bill hasn't called me since
the day the article comes out.
1991
01:35:14,621 --> 01:35:16,188
I haven't seen Roddy much,
1992
01:35:16,232 --> 01:35:17,929
he's been struggling
and suffering with stuff,
1993
01:35:17,973 --> 01:35:19,757
and no one's reached out
to offer a hand,
1994
01:35:19,801 --> 01:35:20,715
let's put it that way.
1995
01:35:21,150 --> 01:35:24,196
[reflective song continues]
1996
01:35:29,419 --> 01:35:31,769
I really know
who my real friends are.
1997
01:35:32,857 --> 01:35:35,686
[reflective song continues]
1998
01:35:54,226 --> 01:35:55,053
[song ends]
1999
01:35:55,575 --> 01:35:58,622
[scratching]
2000
01:36:00,102 --> 01:36:01,581
[MacDonald] It's
part of the job.
2001
01:36:02,234 --> 01:36:04,802
But it doesn't have to be
part of the rest of your life.
2002
01:36:07,196 --> 01:36:08,893
If we get the proper care...
2003
01:36:12,854 --> 01:36:15,770
And, you know,
we're being filmed here,
2004
01:36:18,860 --> 01:36:22,167
and... then...
2005
01:36:22,211 --> 01:36:24,822
talk about how important
is my motorcycle.
2006
01:36:25,649 --> 01:36:27,869
I'm still dealing
with the rest of my life.
2007
01:36:32,264 --> 01:36:37,356
And the motorcycle
is my medicine.
2008
01:36:41,491 --> 01:36:44,537
-[gulls cawing]
-[surf flowing]
2009
01:36:55,505 --> 01:36:58,595
[Vaughn] I'm Don Vaughn, and
I'm a neuroscientist at UCLA.
2010
01:37:00,379 --> 01:37:02,773
I just became
fascinated with how
2011
01:37:03,121 --> 01:37:05,689
our hopes and dreams
and our emotions
2012
01:37:05,732 --> 01:37:08,431
and our behaviors
are all intertwined,
2013
01:37:08,474 --> 01:37:10,041
with this biology in our head.
2014
01:37:10,476 --> 01:37:14,524
And trying to understand
what happens, when it breaks.
2015
01:37:14,567 --> 01:37:17,527
When soldiers started
coming back from the war in Iraq
2016
01:37:17,570 --> 01:37:20,747
with extra-ordinarily
high rates of PTSD,
2017
01:37:21,139 --> 01:37:23,098
they didn't get
a lot of support at first.
2018
01:37:23,141 --> 01:37:25,840
And it took a lot of
doctors and scientists
2019
01:37:25,883 --> 01:37:28,277
testifying,
to actually say, "This is real,
2020
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:29,844
here are the brain scans,
2021
01:37:30,105 --> 01:37:31,802
there's something
actually going on here,
2022
01:37:31,846 --> 01:37:33,108
this isn't malingering."
2023
01:37:33,151 --> 01:37:34,892
Sometimes change
takes hard evidence.
2024
01:37:34,936 --> 01:37:36,241
[crackling]
2025
01:37:36,981 --> 01:37:38,765
[Vaughn] So,
post September 11th,
2026
01:37:40,115 --> 01:37:42,726
when the whole world had seen
2027
01:37:42,769 --> 01:37:44,380
what these
firefighters had done,
2028
01:37:44,423 --> 01:37:46,643
that the extra-ordinary
actions that they take.
2029
01:37:46,686 --> 01:37:48,427
I think people can understand,
2030
01:37:48,471 --> 01:37:50,603
that when you're involved
in a really traumatic event,
2031
01:37:50,647 --> 01:37:52,605
like, I know, a mass shooter,
2032
01:37:52,649 --> 01:37:55,870
there's-- can be
an immediate stress response,
2033
01:37:55,913 --> 01:37:57,828
and that can cause PTSD.
2034
01:37:57,872 --> 01:38:00,918
I think maybe what's less clear
is that we're finding out now,
2035
01:38:00,962 --> 01:38:03,878
that these small,
sort of, sub-clinical traumas
2036
01:38:03,921 --> 01:38:09,100
that happen on a daily basis,
over years, can also,
2037
01:38:09,144 --> 01:38:11,842
cause a heavy toll,
and it can manifest as PTSD.
2038
01:38:13,626 --> 01:38:15,759
For some people,
it's anti-depressants,
2039
01:38:15,802 --> 01:38:17,021
and that works for them.
2040
01:38:17,065 --> 01:38:18,457
But that only works
for less than a third.
2041
01:38:19,719 --> 01:38:21,243
Cognitive behavioral therapy,
2042
01:38:21,286 --> 01:38:23,158
trans-cranial
magnetic stimulation,
2043
01:38:23,201 --> 01:38:25,160
but that only works
for another third of people.
2044
01:38:25,203 --> 01:38:27,118
So what about everybody else
who isn't getting treatment?
2045
01:38:27,162 --> 01:38:29,207
We're trying to
figure out any tool
2046
01:38:29,251 --> 01:38:31,644
that makes inroads for people,
that's a win for me.
2047
01:38:32,515 --> 01:38:33,908
[crackling]
2048
01:38:34,256 --> 01:38:35,822
[Maggiora] My mane is
Michael Maggiora,
2049
01:38:35,866 --> 01:38:37,868
and I'm the Lead
Research Technician
2050
01:38:37,912 --> 01:38:40,131
and Project Manager,
for this experiment,
2051
01:38:40,175 --> 01:38:41,916
with Doctor Vaughn.
2052
01:38:41,959 --> 01:38:43,526
This type of study has
never really been done before.
2053
01:38:43,569 --> 01:38:45,310
I mean, this is huge.
2054
01:38:46,529 --> 01:38:48,923
All I knew
about motorcycles, were
2055
01:38:48,966 --> 01:38:51,360
the Hells Angels,
the Mongols, you know,
2056
01:38:51,403 --> 01:38:52,883
Sons of Anarchy.
2057
01:38:53,928 --> 01:38:55,668
I didn't have
a lot of direct contact
2058
01:38:55,712 --> 01:38:59,063
with motorcycle culture,
but the media's cast it as...
2059
01:38:59,107 --> 01:39:00,325
bike gangs.
2060
01:39:01,196 --> 01:39:02,458
Hey, guys, how's it goin'?
2061
01:39:03,154 --> 01:39:04,982
Awesome. I'm Michael.
2062
01:39:05,026 --> 01:39:06,810
[Vaughn] You know, from
talking to enough motorcyclist,
2063
01:39:06,853 --> 01:39:08,855
we found that they would say,
"Oh, it's wind therapy."
2064
01:39:08,899 --> 01:39:10,118
Mike Maggiora,
2065
01:39:10,161 --> 01:39:11,641
-nice to meet you, Jack.
-Pleasure.
2066
01:39:11,684 --> 01:39:12,772
[Vaughn] And
other people would say,
2067
01:39:12,816 --> 01:39:14,209
that's just full of it,
2068
01:39:14,252 --> 01:39:15,732
you wanna go
take some turns real fast.
2069
01:39:15,775 --> 01:39:16,994
And you wanna
get that adrenaline rush.
2070
01:39:17,038 --> 01:39:18,778
Hey, Rod!
2071
01:39:18,822 --> 01:39:20,345
Go ahead, have a seat,
we'll get started.
2072
01:39:20,693 --> 01:39:23,305
[Vaughn] From my perspective,
this was a rare chance
2073
01:39:23,348 --> 01:39:25,263
to do science,
and discover something
2074
01:39:25,307 --> 01:39:27,483
that's never been able
to be looked at before.
2075
01:39:27,526 --> 01:39:29,180
When I put the cap on,
all I need you to do,
2076
01:39:29,224 --> 01:39:30,442
is just reach up and hold.
2077
01:39:30,486 --> 01:39:31,966
[Maggiora] We're using an EEG,
2078
01:39:32,009 --> 01:39:34,272
which is
an electroencephalogram.
2079
01:39:34,316 --> 01:39:36,883
That measures at each
of these spots around the brain,
2080
01:39:36,927 --> 01:39:38,146
what's the voltage,
2081
01:39:38,189 --> 01:39:39,625
what's the brain
activity going on.
2082
01:39:39,669 --> 01:39:41,410
Is anything registering?
2083
01:39:41,453 --> 01:39:43,281
Not yet.
We're gonna turn it on now.
2084
01:39:43,325 --> 01:39:44,935
[Vaughn] So we've recruited
2085
01:39:44,979 --> 01:39:46,632
over 50 experienced
motorcycle riders,
2086
01:39:46,676 --> 01:39:50,462
to do a very rigorous
and long experiment,
2087
01:39:50,506 --> 01:39:52,812
where they would come in,
they'd ride their own bikes.
2088
01:39:53,074 --> 01:39:55,032
They would drive a car,
2089
01:39:55,076 --> 01:39:56,773
and then they would sit in
what we call passive state,
2090
01:39:56,816 --> 01:39:59,384
and just see what
the baseline levels were.
2091
01:40:00,733 --> 01:40:02,866
We measured
their electrical brain activity,
2092
01:40:02,909 --> 01:40:04,737
we measured their heart rate,
2093
01:40:04,781 --> 01:40:07,044
we measured adrenaline levels
and cortisol levels.
2094
01:40:07,088 --> 01:40:08,872
The brain's always active.
2095
01:40:08,915 --> 01:40:10,917
There's-- It's always
processing the world around us.
2096
01:40:10,961 --> 01:40:12,789
One way to think about focus,
is that you're able to tune out
2097
01:40:12,832 --> 01:40:14,704
irrelevant information
around you.
2098
01:40:14,747 --> 01:40:16,706
So what we did,
was, we played tones
2099
01:40:16,749 --> 01:40:18,621
in the ears
while people were riding
2100
01:40:18,664 --> 01:40:20,449
or driving or
sitting passively,
2101
01:40:20,492 --> 01:40:22,668
and we looked at how
their brain processed them.
2102
01:40:22,712 --> 01:40:25,367
And we used that as a marker
to see how attentive they are
2103
01:40:25,410 --> 01:40:27,978
while they're riding,
versus when they're not riding.
2104
01:40:28,022 --> 01:40:29,632
[reflective music]
2105
01:40:29,675 --> 01:40:31,590
[Vaughn] We all
have this internal critic,
2106
01:40:31,634 --> 01:40:33,897
and these stock patterns
that are constantly going on.
2107
01:40:33,940 --> 01:40:36,378
But when you start to go
down a negative mental health
2108
01:40:36,813 --> 01:40:40,121
pathway, you have these
recurring traumatic thoughts,
2109
01:40:40,164 --> 01:40:42,558
that aren't positive,
and that can haunt you,
2110
01:40:42,601 --> 01:40:44,560
and there's something about
2111
01:40:45,735 --> 01:40:47,911
finding an activity
that captivates your brain
2112
01:40:47,954 --> 01:40:49,652
just enough,
where you can't let that
2113
01:40:49,695 --> 01:40:52,046
just continuously run,
it's really powerful.
2114
01:40:53,308 --> 01:40:55,397
[engine starts]
2115
01:40:55,962 --> 01:40:59,531
[Maggiora] I was just worried
that neuroscience didn't have
2116
01:40:59,575 --> 01:41:03,622
the technology and the analysis
to knock this out of the park,
2117
01:41:03,666 --> 01:41:07,409
that, all our fancy brain caps
would return nothing.
2118
01:41:07,452 --> 01:41:09,106
[reflective music continues]
2119
01:41:09,759 --> 01:41:11,761
[Vaughn] Honestly, it put
a fair amount of stress on me,
2120
01:41:11,804 --> 01:41:15,634
that I know, that people were
depending on these results,
2121
01:41:15,678 --> 01:41:19,943
because they're sick of getting,
you know, mocked out of the room
2122
01:41:19,986 --> 01:41:21,597
when they say
this works for them.
2123
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,426
-[engine rumbling]
-[reflective music continues]
2124
01:41:29,735 --> 01:41:31,215
I'm gonna turn
the machine off for you.
2125
01:41:31,259 --> 01:41:32,695
How was your ride, Jack?
All right, man.
2126
01:41:32,738 --> 01:41:34,262
-Go well.
-Thank you for your time.
2127
01:41:34,305 --> 01:41:35,959
-Thank you.
-That was really, really great.
2128
01:41:36,002 --> 01:41:38,222
-Yeah. Thank you.
-[reflective music continues]
2129
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:42,096
[music fades]
2130
01:41:43,488 --> 01:41:45,142
[Maggiora] We took
hours and hours of data
2131
01:41:45,186 --> 01:41:46,752
on many, many, many people,
in order to find this result.
2132
01:41:46,796 --> 01:41:48,363
[Vaughn] When it
comes to science,
2133
01:41:48,406 --> 01:41:50,843
I try and be as cold-hearted
as I can about it.
2134
01:41:50,887 --> 01:41:52,497
I know that sounds kinda weird,
2135
01:41:52,541 --> 01:41:54,804
but it's just not
the responsibility of science
2136
01:41:54,847 --> 01:41:56,284
to make social decisions.
2137
01:41:56,327 --> 01:41:58,764
Our job is discover
what's true and tell
2138
01:41:58,808 --> 01:42:00,288
the world, and then
2139
01:42:00,331 --> 01:42:01,724
society gets to decide
what to do with it.
2140
01:42:02,855 --> 01:42:04,857
You were talking about
hearing those beeps.
2141
01:42:04,901 --> 01:42:06,424
-Yeah.
-Right, and so
2142
01:42:06,468 --> 01:42:08,078
were you able to hear the tones
2143
01:42:08,122 --> 01:42:09,601
throughout
the entire experiment?
2144
01:42:09,645 --> 01:42:11,168
At the beginning,
I noticed them.
2145
01:42:11,212 --> 01:42:12,691
-Yeah.
-They would start,
2146
01:42:12,735 --> 01:42:14,693
and about 30 seconds in,
I'd forget about it.
2147
01:42:14,737 --> 01:42:16,478
So then as soon as
I hit that went away,
2148
01:42:16,521 --> 01:42:18,306
I off, I was riding again.
2149
01:42:18,349 --> 01:42:22,484
Kind of... evolved into
it getting to be a normal ride.
2150
01:42:22,527 --> 01:42:25,095
That they diminished
in their presence.
2151
01:42:25,139 --> 01:42:27,793
We found, that
in the auditory cortex,
2152
01:42:27,837 --> 01:42:30,231
it actually shows
a reduced response
2153
01:42:30,274 --> 01:42:33,234
to this irrelevant information,
while riding a motorcycle.
2154
01:42:33,277 --> 01:42:35,714
Meaning,
that the brain is so focused,
2155
01:42:35,758 --> 01:42:38,282
it doesn't tune in
to what doesn't matter.
2156
01:42:38,326 --> 01:42:41,198
When we look at changes
in hormone levels, we see a...
2157
01:42:41,242 --> 01:42:43,505
increase in testosterone
2158
01:42:43,548 --> 01:42:46,072
while riding a motorcycle,
and a decrease
2159
01:42:46,116 --> 01:42:48,684
in the stress-related hormone,
known as cortisol.
2160
01:42:49,206 --> 01:42:52,035
That tells us that
just 20 minutes riding,
2161
01:42:52,078 --> 01:42:54,429
somehow produces
a physiological effect
2162
01:42:54,472 --> 01:42:57,910
that actually reduces
these metrics of stress.
2163
01:42:59,216 --> 01:43:02,132
Studies find that individuals
diagnosed with PTSD
2164
01:43:02,176 --> 01:43:04,178
have an 80 percent
higher likelihood
2165
01:43:04,526 --> 01:43:06,092
of having
another mental disorder,
2166
01:43:06,136 --> 01:43:08,312
from depression
to substance abuse.
2167
01:43:08,356 --> 01:43:10,793
We can at least
try evidence-based therapies
2168
01:43:10,836 --> 01:43:12,403
that have been shown
to be effective,
2169
01:43:12,447 --> 01:43:14,318
that really can
reduce the symptoms,
2170
01:43:14,362 --> 01:43:15,928
maybe eliminate them.
2171
01:43:15,972 --> 01:43:18,714
-[engine rumbling]
-[reflective ending music]
2172
01:46:04,009 --> 01:46:06,534
[music fades]
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