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Two ten-year-old girls went
missing yesterday evening
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in Soham, Cambridgeshire. It's
Holly and Jessica from my class.
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They came by our house.
I-I-I spoke to them.
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I'll say I was here.
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You were here. I
was in the bath.
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A 28-year-old man and
a 25-year-old woman
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have been taken to help the
police with our enquiries.
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Maxine Carr, I am arresting you on
suspicion of abduction and murder.
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No, no!
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They're not dead, though. How
do you know if they're dead?
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INSECTS BUZZ
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MAN COUGHS
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Oh, God! Oh, my God.
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Oh! Police!
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Two bodies have been found.
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I want to change my statement.
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I said I was in
Soham that weekend...
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..but I wasn't.
I was in Grimsby.
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He told me last night, "If they
arrest you, tell the truth."
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So I am now, and I
am sorry I did lie,
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but only to stop Ian being accused
when he's done nothing, and...
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And it's better for you to
go and find the real person.
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The real person?
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Who's done it.
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This'll be read out in
front of the church.
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"I suggest that we pause
for a moment of silence
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"in memory of these
two little girls.
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"The heartfelt sympathy of
the whole police service
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"goes out to Holly's
parents and brother
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"and to Jessica's parents and
sisters at this ghastly time.
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"A man and a woman are under
arrest for their murder."
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Has Ian ever expressed
interest in children?
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Yeah.
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We wanna start a family.
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I mean a sexual interest.
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No, that's disgusting.
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He says them people want
shooting or castrating,
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like what everyone says.
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See, I know him, better than
anyone, better even than his mum.
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And he couldn't have done
what you're saying he's done
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and then carry on as normal.
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He couldn't... unless
you helped him.
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I didn't bloody help him.
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You did. You admit it.
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You lied for him. Because
I know he's innocent.
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You cleaned his house.
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It's my flaming house!
I'm the cleaner!
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What, am I not allowed to
clean my own house now?
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And even now Sadie's in season,
you know, spreading everywhere.
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What, just leave it?
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Well, you think that I'd
get on my hands and knees
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and scrub something that
I knew had happened?
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Well, would you?
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No, I bloody wouldn't.
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I haven't got anything
at all to do with this
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and he ain't got nowt either.
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We can tie him to
the girls' clothes.
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We found their bodies
dumped in a ditch
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where we now know he
goes plane-spotting.
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It's not nice to think of children
you know, that you've hugged.
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It wasn't him.
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Come on, Maxine. You're
wearing blinkers.
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I'm not wearing blinkers.
You are. I'm not!
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Well, we have to tell you
that he has now been charged
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formally charged, with the
two murders of Holly Wells
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and Jessica Chapman.
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Mm-mm.
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No! SHE SOBS
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No!
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SOBS: He can't have.
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He can't have!
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SHE SOBS
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Maxine, over here! SHOUTING
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MAGISTRATE: Maxine Ann
Carr, you have been charged
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with conspiring to pervert
the course of justice
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by lying about your
whereabouts on August 4th
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and August 5th of this year.
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You will be remanded in custody at
Holloway Prison until your trial.
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ON TV: "How has this happened?"
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This is the question and
thought that one can see
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on all the faces in Soham.
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It is not just the locals
who are wondering this
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but the many hundreds of
visitors who have travelled
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from far and wide to the
small Cambridgeshire village
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to sign books of condolence.
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The long queue that forms
outside St Andrews Church
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is a quiet and
sombre procession.
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Hey. Hey. You seen all
the flowers at the church?
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Yeah, amazing. They just
keep coming, don't they?
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It's like Diana.
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National grief and rage.
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Yeah.
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You see the Attorney
General's warning? Yeah.
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"Condemn Huntley or Carr in print
and you jeopardise the trial."
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Outrageous! Protect
press freedom.
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What, to publish, "My
kinky night with Maxine"?
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Get the feeling you
want to defend her.
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What, like a damsel in distress?
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No, no, I just...
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I don't wanna see her
get torn limb from limb.
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She's not the one who's
been charged with murder.
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Mm.
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Well, Soham will be
glad to see us gone. Mm.
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You off back to London?
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Maybe one more
trip up to Grimsby.
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OK, well, maybe see you
next year at the trial.
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Yeah. Hey, before you
go, if you were me,
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how would you approach
the bereaved families?
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I wouldn't. People want
to hear their story.
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And so, reluctant as you are
to intrude on private grief...
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I can offer big money.
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Sorry. Wish I could help you.
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No, you don't.
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INMATE: Maxine! Hey!
We're going to get you!
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SECOND INMATE: You
hurt kids, we hurt you.
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SHOUTING CONTINUES
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ON PHONE: Ian should
be standing up for you.
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Ian wasn't even at the court.
He's not well enough, mentally.
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Oh, so he's left you
to carry the can.
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It's not his fault,
Mum! He's traumatised.
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And no wonder - being blamed
for something he's never done.
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Right.
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His worst nightmare come true.
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POUNDING ON DOOR
Come on, Shirley!
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Let's have an interview!
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My neighbour's told the police
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she saw you and Ian looking in the
boot of his car and you were crying.
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KNOCK ON DOOR
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And there's reporters
knocking, day and night.
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Maxine? Maxine?
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So she saw me crying.
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It's not a crime to cry.
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No, but the question arises,
"Why were you crying?"
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Are we to believe that
you never suspected
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Ian could have killed
Holly and Jessica?
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Correct.
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Not for a second. Not
in a million years.
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And now?
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He's being framed.
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Someone else put their clothes in
that hangar and them in that ditch.
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Well, I have to tell
you that's a theory
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a jury may find hard to
believe. He didn't kill them.
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OK. What you will say
is that all you know,
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the only thing he told you, is
what he told everybody else.
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He talked to the girls
outside the house
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and then they walked away.
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Correct.
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REPORTER: Ely Cathedral
has been a site of prayer
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stretching back many centuries.
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Today, it was a place of
mourning for the people of Soham.
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Hundreds travelled
from the small village
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to pay their respects
and share their grief.
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They were joined on the
journey by two families,
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their fellow townsfolk,
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two families who have
lost beloved daughters
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in the inexplicable tragedy.
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"Dear Ian, I think about
marrying you every day.
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"I love you, Ian, and I miss
you with my whole heart.
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"Your letters are what are
keeping me going in here.
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"Soon, we'll be together
again, my love."
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Huntley's been transferred to prison
and declared fit to stand trial.
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Oh, and by the way,
his phone records show
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he was trying to cheat on Carr
that weekend but had no luck.
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Right. She won't like that.
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How are we doing putting
the girls in the house?
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Working on forensics, but it's
been so thoroughly cleaned.
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By the immaculate Miss Carr.
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Who worked franticly to remove all
traces while claiming, like him,
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the girls never went inside.
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We need to refute that.
We need them in there.
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SHE RETCHES
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SHE RETCHES
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"Dear Ian, why are you not
responding to my letters?
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"Is it true what my
solicitor told me?
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"Were you trying to see another woman on
Saturday night when I was in Grimsby?"
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Thank you. That was very nice.
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"After everything I've
done, it's not fair."
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I'm worried, Lynda.
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It's been two months. Is
he getting my letters?
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ON PHONE: I'll ask him
when I see him, darling.
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I know it's hard.
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So, that weekend...
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..was it the Monday he
called you to discuss lying?
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Yeah, he said he
wanted me to come home.
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He says, "There's kids gone
missing," and the thing is...
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The thing is?
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The bad thing is...
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..they came in our house.
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They came in the
house? Yeah, they did.
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One of them had a nosebleed.
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You know I've had blackouts.
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But I remember now why
they came into the house.
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I... I don't know if
Maxine told you that.
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No. No, she...
She didn't, lovey.
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One of them had a nosebleed.
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But on the CCTV
thing on the telly...
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..they're leaving the sports
centre just before getting to you
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and none of them have
a nosebleed then.
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Well, no, that's
because it started
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when she was talking
to me about Maxine.
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And they say they found fibres
from the football shirts
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in the boot of my car.
That's because the girls
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sat on the edge of it when I
went indoors to get tissue.
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So the boot was open?
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Yeah. And the bleeding didn't
stop and I said, "Come in."
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I haven't done this, Mum.
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Cos I remember them
leaving my house.
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Well, if you're adamant
on that... I am adamant.
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I am 100% remembering them
girls leaving my house.
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And would I be
physically capable
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of restraining two
healthy young girls?
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Yeah, it's not like
you're a 15st guy.
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Well, I am 12st and fit.
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But, yeah, question is,
was someone following them?
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Don't look at me like that.
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What I need...
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What I need from you lot is some
bloody faith and confidence in me.
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I am telling you the truth, Mum,
as best I can, what I remember.
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I don't ever want you to think
that I might have done this -
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because I haven't. I
could never hurt anybody.
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I never have, I never will.
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Finally, I am telling you this,
about them coming into the house.
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I weren't gonna, but I felt...
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..that's the risk I had to take
just to put your mind at rest.
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Thank you.
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ON RECORDING: Don't say anything,
Mum. It will give the police time
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to counteract everything I'm saying
and build the case against me.
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The girls are in the house.
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CLATTER
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The papers are calling
it a suicide attempt?
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"She's guilty and she
can't live with it."
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It's my eating disorder,
I can't help it!
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Well, yes, there should
be some... sympathy.
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I'm like Princess Diana.
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So, things have
changed a little bit.
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The prosecution have tape recordings
of you talking to Ian's mother Lynda
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over the phone.
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What? That can't be legal.
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Recording a private
conversation? That's shocking.
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Well, it is legal, I'm afraid,
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and they have you admitting to
knowing the girls were in the house.
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So, as well as conspiring to
pervert the course of justice,
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you're also being charged
with assisting an offender.
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But I haven't
assisted an offender.
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You cleaned the house,
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hid the traces of two dead
young girls, girls you knew,
247
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making you in the eyes of many
as bad as him, or even worse.
248
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He's not bad. They
went in the house.
249
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They went out again,
on their merry way.
250
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Really? Because if they
didn't... They did.
251
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..your life together is over.
252
00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,000
Acknowledge he's done what he's
done and distance yourself from him
253
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and you can still
survive. Ian's not a...
254
00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,640
He's not interested
in young girls.
255
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He's got no whatsit -
no previous, no history.
256
00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:18,320
That's not true.
257
00:17:18,360 --> 00:17:22,200
What I'm about to tell you can't
be used in court against him.
258
00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,400
Enquiries through Humberside
Police and social services
259
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are revealing several cases
against him involving sex
260
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with underage girls
whilst in his 20s.
261
00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,280
These are girls he groomed,
one as young as 13,
262
00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,840
and allegations of rape.
263
00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,120
He took a girl for a
walk in an orchard,
264
00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,680
where she says he sexually
assaulted her, when he was 24...
265
00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,800
..and she was 11.
266
00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,200
Let people see - he's
the monster, not you.
267
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SHE SOBS
268
00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,360
SOBBING CONTINUES
269
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I think I've made a
huge mistake, Mum.
270
00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,000
CRIES: I thought he was the best
thing that ever happened to me.
271
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Tell anyone who asks it's over.
272
00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,040
She wrote to the prison
governor. It was read out to me -
273
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"I no longer wish to have any
communication with Mr Ian Huntley."
274
00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,600
Oh, Ian, that's all you need.
275
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:54,640
Yeah.
276
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What a fucking bitch.
277
00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:04,160
So we now have fibre transfers
to and from the football shirts.
278
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:09,040
And thanks to Pat, pollen from the
deposition site on Huntley's shoes,
279
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,160
car footwells and petrol can.
280
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,560
Plus, chalk from the track caught
under the car. PHONE VIBRATES
281
00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,920
And the fact that he changed
all four tyres on the Monday,
282
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,040
that'll speak to the jury.
283
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,240
I'll share duties with
Karim in court. What?
284
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,480
Well, how did he do it?
He's on suicide watch.
285
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,360
Huntley's taken an overdose.
286
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,920
He sees this as his only option,
287
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,520
testament to the
work we're all doing.
288
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,680
So we keep doing it and
pray he pulls through.
289
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,240
He can't escape justice.
290
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,920
REPORTER: It's a short journey
for Huntley from hospital
291
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,080
back to Woodhill Prison, where he
will again be put on suicide watch.
292
00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:59,120
He will spend the next
number of days and nights
293
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,560
in the hospital wing.
294
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,040
The Home Secretary has demanded
that the Prison Service...
295
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,760
It's all over the news.
296
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,480
Have you seen it? Oh,
love, it's terrible.
297
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,240
Typical him, Mum.
298
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,480
Trying to take the easy way out,
leaving me to carry the can.
299
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,880
Too bad, Ian.
300
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,560
Didn't work.
301
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,200
Tough fucking luck.
302
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,400
I'll see you in court.
303
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,080
Thanks for meeting me. Still
waiting for that scoop?
304
00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:40,120
Eve of the trial, emotions running
high, maybe a chink opens up.
305
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,040
And then you pounce, yeah?
306
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,560
That's my job.
307
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,840
The judge rejected
the defence claim.
308
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,080
They've already been
convicted by the media.
309
00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:50,920
But he still criticised them.
310
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,280
Them?
311
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,520
Us.
312
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,280
So the editors just ignore
the sub judice laws, do they?
313
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,040
No, not totally.
314
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,920
And all this stuff coming out now
about Huntley's past in Humberside,
315
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,840
we're sitting on it
until after the trial.
316
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,440
Mm. The authorities are
going to get roasted.
317
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,520
They weren't communicating.
318
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,360
Police, social
services, schools.
319
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,280
How did he get a job as a school
caretaker with his history?
320
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,160
No actual convictions.
321
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,600
There was one
though, for burglary.
322
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,760
I mean, that should have flagged
up and barred him from the job.
323
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,920
All those other
complaints though.
324
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,040
I mean, all those girls.
325
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,720
Mm, I mean it needs
a public inquiry.
326
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,640
Needs a whole new system.
327
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,880
You're not coming down
to cover the trial?
328
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,760
I'm not allowed
to. I'm a witness.
329
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,600
Of course. You met them.
330
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,920
Mm. I talked to his parents.
331
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,760
They showed me this Christmas
card Maxine sent them
332
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,560
after she dumped him.
333
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:52,160
"I shared my life, my bed and
all my dreams with that man.
334
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,400
"I have been living a lie."
335
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,680
Wow. Tragic heroine.
336
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,200
Rehearsal for the courtroom.
337
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,080
Now, a warning to media.
338
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:19,080
Report this trial
dispassionately,
339
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,640
or jeopardise it.
340
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,480
Do not describe emotion.
341
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,080
The Crown may present
it's opening statement.
342
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,840
It may not be disputed that
Carr provided a false account
343
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,600
of Huntley's movements
that Sunday night,
344
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,040
but we have to prove
that she did so knowing,
345
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,280
or believing that he had a hand
in the killing of the girls.
346
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,880
She lied and covered up for him.
347
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,720
Forensically cleaned
the house of the man
348
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,600
who murdered two
ten-year-old girls.
349
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,680
The man who dumped and burned
their bodies in a ditch.
350
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,200
You say there was
significant press presence,
351
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,920
hundreds of reporters every day.
352
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,800
Did this put a strain on
the caretaker at the school?
353
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,840
He did seem stressed.
354
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,840
He said he felt harassed
by the press and...
355
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,960
..by the daily press conferences
the police were holding.
356
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,880
And one time asked me if
they could be held elsewhere.
357
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,680
And you appointed him?
358
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,360
Correct.
359
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,680
Would you say he struck you
as a very good candidate
360
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,440
when you appointed him?
361
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,040
Yes. He did.
362
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,880
And that's a decision
I live with every day.
363
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,360
That's all.
364
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,840
Thank you.
365
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,240
All done.
366
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,120
Love you. Love you.
367
00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:26,840
How did Miss Carr seem
when you spoke to her?
368
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,560
Smiling.
369
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,400
Cheerful, friendly.
370
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,000
Eager to help.
371
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,120
And what about Mr Huntley?
372
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,040
He was very wary.
373
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,160
He refused to have
his photo taken.
374
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840
She was much more convincing.
375
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,800
Happy to pose with the
card Holly had made her.
376
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,720
So when she told me she was
in the house, in the bath,
377
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,760
when the girls came by...
378
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,120
..it was easy to believe her.
379
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,240
God, I can't do anything right.
380
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,920
She was too close to the kids. They
loved her too much. Ooh, sorry.
381
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,000
And that reporter, the
press, they sweet-talk you,
382
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,680
they manipulate you
to get what they want.
383
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,080
You know, they say I'm
bad. They're worse.
384
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,960
You're doing well in there.
385
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,800
Keeping calm. Used to it.
386
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,760
You know, be nice, look nice.
No-one likes you when you're mad.
387
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,680
So swallow it.
388
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,880
You should be prepared for the discoveries
of the bodies and the pathologist's evidence.
389
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,600
It could be quite upsetting.
Should I not get upset?
390
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,040
No, it's fine to get upset.
391
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,040
Shows you care.
392
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,480
You the jury have been
provided with evidence packs?
393
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,760
Could you please refer to the
pathologists report by Dr Nat Carey?
394
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,480
As you have told the court,
395
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,120
the bodies exposed for so long were
too badly decomposed even for you,
396
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,600
an experienced pathologist to
determine the cause of death.
397
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,200
But the skulls and
skeletons revealed no signs
398
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,520
of blunt force
trauma or stabbing.
399
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,360
Which leaves us with?
400
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,720
Something involving interference
with the mechanism of breathing.
401
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,240
Such as?
402
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,200
Strangulation or smothering.
403
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,360
And as for sexual assault?
404
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,200
Due to decomposition I cannot,
from the physical findings,
405
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,200
confirm or refute
that possibility.
406
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,920
Thank you, Dr Cary.
407
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,920
Erm...
408
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,720
My Lord, my client would be
grateful for a very short break.
409
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,120
Very well, Mr Coward.
410
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,240
This is the last time Mr
Huntley will be permitted
411
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,080
to disrupt the court.
412
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,040
The court will
reconvene in 15 minutes.
413
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,320
Should possible causes of
death not include drowning?
414
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,320
Yes, it should be on the list.
415
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:34,840
Thank you.
416
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,920
I'm going to put to
you my client's account
417
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,440
of what actually happened
on 4th of August last year.
418
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,680
At the material time Holly
Wells had a nosebleed.
419
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,200
And because it wouldn't stop,
420
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,240
she and Jessica and the
defendant, Mr Huntley,
421
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,400
went up to the bathroom,
422
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,040
where the girls sat on
the edge of the bath
423
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,440
while he cooled pieces of toilet
paper under the tap in the basin
424
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,640
and handed them to Holly.
425
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,280
And on one of his
turns, he slipped.
426
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,600
And it seems he may well have banged
into her and she went backwards.
427
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,200
He has no recollection of a bang,
but he does remember a splash.
428
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,200
When Holly went into the bath,
429
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,720
which had roughly 18
inches of water in it
430
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,000
because Mr Huntley was
going to wash the dog,
431
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,360
Jessica started screaming, "You
pushed her, you pushed her!"
432
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,560
He then turned towards Jessica
putting his hand, or hands out,
433
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,760
his memory is, over her
mouth, to stop her screaming.
434
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,800
He let her go and she
went to the ground.
435
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,040
He then lifted Holly
out of the bath...
436
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,840
..and looked for signs of
breathing and found none.
437
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,960
He turned his attention
towards Jessica,
438
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,440
looked for signs of
breathing and found none.
439
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,200
That is the whole account.
440
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,400
I don't believe a word of it.
441
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,880
As an experienced pathologist,
I find it wholly implausible
442
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,640
that Jessica could have been
smothered to death as described.
443
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,120
And as to the suggested
drowning of Holly,
444
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,720
I measured the bath overnight.
445
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,400
The overflow is 11 inches.
446
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,920
Even if that was blocked,
447
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,040
the depth you mentioned
of 18 is unrealistic.
448
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,760
And at a depth of barely a foot,
449
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,080
total immersion of the nose and
mouth through a passive accident
450
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,480
is very unlikely.
451
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,640
And the nose, we are
told, is bleeding.
452
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,960
And she is fully clothed.
453
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,280
So there would be blood in
the water soaking the clothes.
454
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,160
Even extremely diluted,
this would be detectable.
455
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,840
None was.
456
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,040
And why no rescue?
457
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,120
Accidental drownings in bathrooms
tend to be solitary affairs
458
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,520
because, by definition...
459
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,000
..human beings
rescue one another.
460
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,480
What's he like? Trying to get off
murder with a story like that.
461
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,440
"It was an accident, it was
only..." What is it? Manslaughter.
462
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,680
The evidence suggests that if the
bodies had been less decomposed
463
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,720
it might be clearer
what happened.
464
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,680
Some people may
blame you for that
465
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,360
because your lies
delayed his arrest.
466
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,760
But his arrest didn't
lead to the bodies.
467
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,760
They were found by accident.
468
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,960
And he'd never have admitted
where they were, so...
469
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Not as thick as I look.
470
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,040
I was knelt down on the
doorstep, brushing Sadie,
471
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,880
directly behind the car.
472
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,720
I heard two voices
and I stood up to look
473
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,000
and there was two girls in
football tops stood there.
474
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,240
They asked me how Miss Carr was
and I found that quite funny
475
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,440
because I weren't used to hearing
Maxine referred to in that way.
476
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,520
I noticed Holly put
her hand up to her face
477
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,600
and there was some blood
on it and under her nose.
478
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,000
I asked if she would
like some tissue.
479
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,040
To which she replied,
"Yes, please".
480
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,200
So what did you do?
481
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,680
I said, "Plonk your bums on
there and I'll get you some."
482
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,840
Could you repeat that?
483
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,000
A lot of us didn't get that.
484
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,720
Yes, erm...
485
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,960
I said, "Plonk your
bums on there."
486
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,280
Plonk your bums there?
487
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Yes.
488
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,440
On the rim of my boot.
489
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,480
What did you do with Sadie?
490
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,200
Secured her in the
downstairs toilet.
491
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,280
You came out and gave
the tissue to Holly.
492
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,320
Did it do the trick?
493
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,120
Sorry?
494
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,160
Did it stop the bleeding?
495
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,520
No.
496
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,440
So what happened next?
497
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,200
It was threatening rain and if
anything it was getting worse.
498
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,080
So, I... I said, "Would you like to come
inside and put some wet tissue on the nose?"
499
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,920
What did they say?
500
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,040
They said yes.
501
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,960
You returned home after
depositing the bodies.
502
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,120
Then what did you do?
503
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,160
Had several cigarettes.
504
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,520
And what were you thinking?
505
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,120
What have I done?
506
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,520
Have you ever told Maxine what
you've told us here today?
507
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,640
I wanted to.
508
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,920
But I couldn't.
509
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,840
You approached Holly's
father, Kevin Wells,
510
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,960
near the school three days
after she disappeared.
511
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,680
You said, "I'm sorry Kev, I
didn't know it was your daughter.
512
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,000
"I hope they come home soon".
513
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,040
What should we call that?
514
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,200
An apology? Inexcusable?
515
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,680
Yes.
516
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,480
Like this story you've come
up with to fit the evidence.
517
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,400
What does a ten-year-old girl
do when she's got a nosebleed
518
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,680
and is a few hundred
yards from home?
519
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,960
I can't speak for the mind
of ten-year-old girls.
520
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,360
Go into a stranger's house? Did you
tell them that Maxine was inside?
521
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,720
No. You knew, as
school caretaker,
522
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,120
you were forbidden from having
schoolchildren in your house?
523
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,560
Yes. And yet you
invited them in.
524
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,960
Yes.
525
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,800
You have been telling lies from start
to finish in this case, haven't you?
526
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,160
You say you somehow
suffocated Jessica,
527
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,200
trying to stop her
from screaming.
528
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:26,000
Screaming because you
were murdering Holly? No.
529
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,520
And when you accidentally knocked her into the
bath, why couldn't you just reach out and help her?
530
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,360
That would have
been the normal...
531
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,680
In these circumstances it is very
rational to know what you were doing.
532
00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:38,760
In those circumstances
it is not so rational.
533
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,720
Believe me, I know.
534
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,200
You can get very angry,
can't you, Mr Huntley?
535
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,320
That's because you...
536
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,400
You have your opinion.
537
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,200
Did you lose your temper with one
of the girls that Sunday evening?
538
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:07,240
Did you become the assertive
individual that you became just now?
539
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,840
You lied to the journalists.
540
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,040
You lied to the police?
541
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,920
Yes, sir, I did.
542
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,400
You now admit you knew a lot.
543
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,520
The girls had been in the
house, which he'd cleaned.
544
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,600
The car, too.
545
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,600
There was bedding in
the washing machine.
546
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,320
He was the last person to see
them and he wanted you to lie.
547
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,280
And yet, you claim
you had no suspicions?
548
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,960
Suspicions he had a
woman round, maybe.
549
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,080
But no, not that.
550
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,640
You claim that all the
guilt should be his to bear
551
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,880
and you should go scot-free?
552
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,240
I know exactly what
I've done, sir.
553
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,600
And I cannot be blamed for
what that thing in the box
554
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,800
has done to me or
those children.
555
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,840
It is noticeable, Miss Carr, how
much you embellished your lies
556
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,280
to the press and the police
to make them more convincing.
557
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,680
Not only were you in the
house, but you were in the bath
558
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,920
and "wished I had popped out
and had a chat with the girls".
559
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,960
I do wish though
I had been there.
560
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,960
I'll be feeling
very guilty, sir,
561
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,520
for a long, long time
that if I was there
562
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,960
I could have stopped
them from dying.
563
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,800
You were so obsessed by him
564
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,800
and so obsessed with
preserving your relationship
565
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,920
and your home and your future,
566
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,680
that you had to divert
attention away from him.
567
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,320
Only because I truly
believed he was innocent.
568
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,320
Mr Latham has suggested to you
569
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,000
that by that Tuesday
evening, the 6th,
570
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,240
you had worked it out that
the children were dead... No.
571
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,120
..and that Ian Huntley
was responsible. No.
572
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,600
Now, let's just examine that.
573
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,800
Did you sleep in the same bed as
Ian Huntley on that Tuesday night?
574
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,360
Yes. And all the following days?
575
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,840
Yeah.
576
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,080
Mm.
577
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,680
Would you have been in the same
bed if you believed for a moment
578
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,880
that he had killed
those children?
579
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,960
I wouldn't be in the same house.
580
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,520
No further questions.
581
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,880
The court will take a break
and reconvene in 30 minutes.
582
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,560
You should fucking hang!
583
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,360
You bastard!
584
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,960
Given you admitted you
conspired with Ian to lie
585
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,680
and he's already pleaded
guilty to that charge,
586
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,880
I have to advise you as your counsel
that perhaps you should, too.
587
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,360
But I wasn't perverting
the course of justice.
588
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,400
I was trying to stop the police from
wrongly accusing him, I thought.
589
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,840
OK, but you do realise the jury
are likely to find you guilty?
590
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,520
Of that charge, yeah,
OK. If they do, they do.
591
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,480
But not assisting an offender,
592
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,040
not cleaning up after knowing he'd
killed the girls, because I didn't.
593
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,880
And I don't want to be
damned for what I never done.
594
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,240
Miss Carr, Maxine,
595
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,640
feels guilty every day,
596
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,200
wishing she had been there that day
and saved those children's lives.
597
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,240
Is it not now time to release
her from this man and his crimes?
598
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,280
If you think she has continued right
through her evidence to tell lies,
599
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,000
that she is not being
frank with you...
600
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,760
..you have to ask why?
601
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,040
Defendants rise.
602
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,480
How do you find the
defendant, Ian Kevin Huntley,
603
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,200
on the charge of the
murder of Jessica Chapman?
604
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:45,800
Guilty.
605
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,640
The murder of Holly
Wells? Guilty.
606
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,200
How do you find the
defendant, Maxine Ann Carr,
607
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,960
on the charge of conspiracy to
pervert the course of justice?
608
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,560
Guilty.
609
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,320
How do you find the
defendant, Maxine Ann Carr,
610
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,480
on the charge of assisting an offender
in the case of Jessica Chapman?
611
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,000
Not guilty.
612
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,920
In the case of Holly Wells?
613
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,360
Not guilty.
614
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,200
Forget her. She doesn't matter.
615
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,360
We will take a short adjournment
616
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,720
and sentencing will
commence tomorrow morning.
617
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,200
To the parents of
Holly and Jessica,
618
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,840
your grief at the
loss of such bright
619
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,240
and life-enhancing
daughters cannot be imagined
620
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,200
and cannot be shared.
621
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,400
Those of us who have been
compelled to listen to
622
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,360
so dispiriting and
merciless a tale
623
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,360
will have had some glimpse
624
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,480
of what you have suffered
and continue to suffer.
625
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,800
Our thoughts are with you all.
626
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,160
Hi, Principle Gilbert.
627
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,000
Just a few words, now
that the verdict's in?
628
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,920
No. Thank you.
629
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,800
How have the students and
community reacted to it?
630
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,200
The girls' siblings go to
the school. Can you comment
631
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,880
on how they're coping? The
families must still have questions.
632
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,800
I'd rather just get on with it.
633
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,360
Right, there we go.
That's everything.
634
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,520
PHONE RINGS
635
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,000
I'll get it.
636
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,480
Brian Farmer's phone,
this is Millie.
637
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,760
Hi, Millie, can I
speak to your dad?
638
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,320
Here he is. Thanks.
639
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,000
For you. Thank you.
640
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:06,000
Hello. Hey, it's
Jane. I'm in Soham.
641
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,720
But I don't, I don't feel...
642
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,080
CAR HORN Sorry. Hang on a sec.
643
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,120
Have you got everything?
Yep. Bye. Bye.
644
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,560
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Don't stay up too late.
645
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,160
I will.
646
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,320
Sorry.
647
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,400
You don't feel what?
648
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,800
Right. I'm supposed to be
knocking on the parents' doors
649
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,560
to offer them a million
quid for their stories.
650
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,960
Well, it's not for me to tell
you what to do, is it? No.
651
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,520
But you know they don't
want money. I know, but...
652
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,520
They want their daughters back.
653
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,000
And they'll never know what
really happened to them.
654
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,600
Would you want to know
if it was your daughter?
655
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,920
The truth?
656
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,760
Yeah.
657
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,840
Yeah.
658
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,600
The whole truth? Every detail?
659
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,320
Yeah.
660
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,360
Just to be there with her.
661
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,360
Yeah.
662
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,880
Maxine?
663
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,200
Maxine?
664
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,760
I know it's you.
665
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,120
One question and
I'll leave you alone.
666
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,400
Did you know?
667
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,760
Did you know he'd killed them?
668
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,160
No comment.
669
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,120
Mum!
670
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,640
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