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To be fair, it can't be much fun
being a racist.
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You do all this stuff
with them students,
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milking it about
how much you've changed,
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how much of a better man
you are now, yet you thought
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exactly the same way as I did
when you were my age, didn't you?
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I'll tuck you in.
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What are you doing in bed with Dad?
I was tired, Matthew.
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I'm going to commit a murder
to begin a race war.
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Another MP, Rosie Cooper.
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I know who the informant is.
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It's this slug called Robbie Mullen.
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A lot of people
won't forget what he's done.
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The police are here.
It's about the boys.
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Someone's made a threat
against them.
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Listen, listen, look.
I'm... I'm leaving here now.
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Where were these images posted?
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We found them on a thread
in a mobile seized yesterday.
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We believe the original posts are
linked to National Action.
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I'm sorry. He's gonna have to go.
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That's it now.
We can't keep doing this.
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Robbie, this trial isn't
far off now, lad,
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and you're going to have
to demonstrate to the jury
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that you're not the same as Renshaw
and the others,
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that they can trust you,
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cos you're different from them.
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Is this some sort of test?
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Sticking me in the middle
of Nigeria,
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see how he handles it, yeah?
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You're scared, aren't you?
No!
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Cos you want me to stand up in court
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and tell everybody
that I'm a changed man and I'm not!
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Jack Renshaw, stand up.
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You've been found guilty
of four counts
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of inciting a child to engage
in sexual activities.
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You've displayed
not one shred of remorse
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and the defence you put forward,
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that your phone had been hacked,
was as lacking
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in evidence as it was credibility.
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These are very serious offences
against minors,
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and in one case,
a boy as young as 13,
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and society needs protection
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against predatory paedophiles
like you.
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I impose upon you a prison sentence
of 16 months.
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Take him down.
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Jack! We love you, son!
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INAUDIBLE
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16 months. It could have been worse.
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God, it's going to be
in the newspapers.
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The whole fucking world's
gonna read it.
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The judge ordered reporting restrictions
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because of the upcoming trial
for the plan to kill the MP.
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No detail from this case
can be published
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until after that's taken place.
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What? So, they can't print it yet?
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We've got a bit of time.
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But the story will come out, Jack.
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KNOCK ON DOOR
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I've got to warn you,
it's a shithole in here.
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I live with four lads.
Yous all stink.
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All right, lad?
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Yeah, I'm very well, thank you.
How are you?
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Lovely. Yeah, what a beautiful day!
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Are you not going to eat that?
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I'm not hungry.
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Save it for later.
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How are you feeling?
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Been doing anything exciting?
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Watching the telly?
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Any boxsets you'd like to recommend?
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I haven't been watching much telly.
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I've just... just been
on the computer.
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What did you say?
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I've not been watching telly.
I've been on the computer.
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You're being careful about what
websites you've been going on?
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HE SIGHS
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Robbie?
You're telling me what to do again.
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Yeah, I am telling you what to do, yeah.
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Because if you've been getting
in touch
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with any of your old pals
from National Action
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or if you've been looking
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at some kind of Combat 18 website
or the BNP
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or whatever right-wing shite
you used to look at,
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then this trial will collapse
and you'll end up in prison.
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Where we're from, most people end up
in prison anyway, don't they?
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Oh, what kind of comment's that, eh?
All right, come on.
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Wish I was going to prison
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instead of standing in court
grassing on people.
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Will you shut up
about being a grass?
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Who are you trying to protect
anyway?
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Jack Renshaw?
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Because he's just been convicted
for grooming young boys.
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We've only got your word
for that though.
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You could be trying to trick us.
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Why would I wanna trick you?
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I don't know. Why wouldn't you?
Are you stupid or something?
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Stupid? Why am I stupid?
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You're an ungrateful little twat.
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Hey, that's enough!
Yeah.
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Yeah, all of this.
All of this?!
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Look at all this you've got here...
Look, will you pack it in?
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Please, the two of you,
you're worse than the boys!
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You, get in the shower.
Wash your hair!
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And you, you can get
the hoover out.
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I'm sorry
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if I sounded ungrateful before, but...
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...I just don't like it.
It's full of Blacks and Asians.
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Rob, come on.
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I know I'm not supposed to say
things like that,
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but I can't help it.
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It's the way that I feel.
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Well, I know it looks bad but...
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No, what looks bad, lad,
is if you get caught out lying.
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At least if you tell the truth,
then no-one can trip you up.
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KNOCK ON DOOR
Are you expecting anyone?
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You're joking, aren't you?
Nobody else knows I live here.
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All right?
Yeah.
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Someone to see you, lad.
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Mill!
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Hello, baby!
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Hello! What you doing?
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B-b-b-b-b... Hello!
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Well, at least he's glad to see
someone. How is he anyway?
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Unhelpful, angry.
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Suspicious.
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Well, his usual jolly self then.
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This could be end of us,
you know that?
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I mean, if this all goes wrong,
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then our reputation
is shot to pieces.
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So, it all hangs
on a big, sulky racist from Widnes?
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It's not funny!
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She's got a point.
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You need to try and get out,
you know, meet people.
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What, round here?
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Yes, round here.
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It's not doing you any good sitting
in that flat all day by yourself.
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I've ruined my life, I know I have.
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You have not.
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What if they don't believe me,
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the jury?
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It's my word against theirs,
isn't it?
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Yeah, but you're telling the truth.
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I don't wanna do it any more.
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That's the truth.
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I just wanna go back
to the way things were before.
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Oi, what you playing at?
Get to the back of the queue, bruv!
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I'm not eating. I'm not eating.
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You all right, Chris?
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How... How's it going?
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I've been hearing whispers
about you.
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Look, they hacked my phone.
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They put all this stuff on it
to destroy my reputation.
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It's all fucking lies!
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I mean, they're making me out
like I'm some sort of paedo.
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Matthew Collins is behind it all.
He's trying to destroy me.
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This could make us all look bad.
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That won't happen.
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I promise you that won't happen.
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He's got a big day
in front of him tomorrow.
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Try and make him look respectable, Shimmy.
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I'll do my best.
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Who's at the bar mitzvah?
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That's my grandson, Reuben.
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I'll be honest with you, Matthew,
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he's got it tough.
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Him and his sisters,
they go to the Jewish school.
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Whole place surrounded
by barbed wire.
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Hold still.
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Three security guards on the door.
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It's the same
with all the Jewish schools.
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That it should come to that, eh,
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in this day and age.
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Children having to cross barbed wire
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to go to school.
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He looks dapper, don't he?
Yeah.
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You look really handsome,
dead smart.
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How do you feel?
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Like a twat.
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Oh, no, like a used car salesman
or something.
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THEY LAUGH
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I wouldn't buy life insurance
off you. Stop it!
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Don't listen.
Robbie, you look great.
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You look like someone
who's doing the right thing.
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There he is!
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PROTESTORS SHOUT ANGRILY
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PROTESTORS SHOUT
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Hey.
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You all right?
So, listen, Matthew can't be here,
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not until you've both given evidence,
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but he wanted me to tell you,
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you look better
without the bum fluff.
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ROBBIE CHUCKLES
Come on, you'll be fine.
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In here.
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Sorry, mate, can I help you?
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Are you connected to the case?
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I'm connected with the defence.
Oh, right.
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You know him?
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No.
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He's just trying to freak you out.
Come on, let's get you some tea.
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Court will rise.
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Members of the jury,
it will be alleged by the Crown
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that the defendants hold
extreme views.
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All of you, I suspect, hold views
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which could be described
as the very opposite of these.
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You're not racist,
you're not homophobic,
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you're not anti-Semitic.
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But it is not a criminal offence
in this country
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just to hold these views,
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however repulsive you feel
they might be.
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We live in a free society
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and the law tolerates
the holding of these opinions.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I appear
on behalf of the prosecution.
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Mr Atkinson, I'm going to ask you
to pause for a moment there,
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as we need to hear from Mr Jackson.
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What have you done?
My lord.
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I don't care any more.
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It's too late for me.
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Thank you, my lord.
I represent Mr Renshaw,
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and I would seek, with your leave,
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that you have him re-arraigned
on counts one and two.
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If this is how you wish to proceed.
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It is how I'm instructed,
Your Lordship.
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Jack Renshaw,
will you stand up, please?
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You are charged on count one
of this indictment
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of engaging in conduct
in preparation of a terrorist act,
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namely the murdering
of Rosie Cooper MP.
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Are you guilty or not guilty?
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Guilty.
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On count two, you are charged
with making a threat to kill.
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The particulars are
that, on July 1st, 2017,
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you made a threat to Robbie Mullen
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that you would kill
DC Victoria Henderson,
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intending that Robbie Mullen
would fear
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that said threat would
be carried out.
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Are you guilty or not guilty?
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Guilty.
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Renshaw's pleaded guilty
to the plots to kill.
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What? Guilty?
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Well, but does that mean
I don't have to give any evidence?
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It's all over or...?
Not quite, I'm afraid.
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They're all still on trial
for membership
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and Lythgoe's facing one count
of encouragement to murder.
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I reckon he's fallen on his sword
to try and bury all the paedo stuff.
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Stupid.
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He at least had a decent shot
at a defence,
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but now he's going
to end up with life imprisonment?
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He wants the headline to be
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"Fascist martyr prepared to kill
for the cause".
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And not "Fascist paedo trying
to have sex with young boys".
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What about Lythgoe and Hankinson?
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He's trying to take the heat
off them.
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Mr Atkinson, if you could pick up
from where you left off, please.
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My lord.
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These defendants stand before you,
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accused of their continuing
participation in National Action,
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a banned organisation
that sought actively through fear,
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intimidation and violence
to shape society
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in accordance with their beliefs.
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Mr Renshaw had purchased a machete
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with which to carry out his plan.
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The online marketing
for that particular item
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describes it as offering
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"19 inches of unprecedented piercing
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"and slashing power
at a market price".
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There is now no doubt,
after his guilty pleas,
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that Mr Renshaw planned the murders
of Rosie Cooper MP
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and Detective Constable
Victoria Henderson.
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The Crown's case is
that he was given permission
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to carry out the murder
of Rosie Cooper
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by the then leader
of National Action, Chris Lythgoe,
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in the name of that organisation.
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My lord, I call Robbie Mullen.
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HE SIGHS
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DOOR OPENS
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Mr Mullen, it's time.
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Place your right hand on the Bible
and read from the card.
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I... I swear by almighty God
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that the evidence I shall give
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shall be the truth, the whole truth
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and nothing but the truth.
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Could you confirm your name, please?
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Robbie Mullen.
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A little about you to start with,
Mr Mullen.
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Where in the country
did you grow up?
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Widnes, which is in the north-west.
285
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Your school days came
to somewhat of an abrupt end.
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An incident involving
you swearing at a teacher?
287
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Yeah.
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And you've drifted from job to job
since then,
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no real direction in your life?
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I suppose so.
291
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When did you join National Action?
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2015.
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The gentlemen sitting in the dock,
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are they all known to you
through that organisation?
295
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Yeah.
296
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My lord, could Mr Mullen speak up,
please? I couldn't hear his reply.
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Do try and project your voice
298
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to the back of the court, please,
Mr Mullen.
299
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Sorry.
300
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Yeah.
301
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You and they were all members
of the organisation before the ban?
302
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Yeah.
And were you all still members
303
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after the ban on National Action
at the end of 2016?
304
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Yeah.
305
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After the ban, did there come a time
306
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when you had contact
with Matthew Collins,
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who worked for the organisation
Hope Not Hate?
308
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Yeah.
For what reason?
309
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I couldn't tell you, really.
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I knew I just needed
to get out of there...
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My lord, I'm sorry, he has
a tendency to drop his head down,
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drop his voice down.
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Perhaps try moving a little closer
to the microphone please, Mr Mullen.
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Sorry.
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On page 20 of the bundle,
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we can see an email
you had screenshot-ed
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and forwarded to Matthew Collins.
318
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,200
Yeah.
It was an encrypted email
319
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you'd received from Chris Lythgoe,
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where he was talking
about recruiting new members
321
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for National Action in towns
in the north-west.
322
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Er, yeah.
323
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Largely white towns, and other -
324
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his words -
"horrifically Paki-fied" towns.
325
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Yeah.
326
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Next page of the bundle,
another email,
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this one after National Action
had been banned.
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In it you ask Chris Lythgoe,
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"Are you staying leader
of the overall group?"
330
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And can you read his reply?
331
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"You're damn fucking right I am.
332
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"I'm the one person
with a clear picture
333
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"of where we're going long-term."
334
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,680
So, in the period immediately after
the ban, Lythgoe remained in charge?
335
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,440
Yeah.
336
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And Matt Hankinson?
337
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He was Chris's second-in-command.
338
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He handled security and stuff.
339
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And after the ban?
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Carried on like before.
341
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They both did.
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Let's turn our attention now
to the night of July 1st, 2017.
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Did Mr Renshaw say
why he was going to kill
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Rosie Cooper and Victoria Henderson?
345
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We believed, at first,
it was because he was depressed
346
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about going to prison
for his hate speeches.
347
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But I now know that it was also
because he'd been arrested
348
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for grooming young boys
and it was about to come out.
349
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What was Mr Lythgoe's demeanour
350
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as Mr Renshaw outlined his plans?
351
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He seemed happy.
352
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Smiling, nodding his head.
353
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Did he mention the Home Secretary,
Amber Rudd?
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00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,920
Yeah.
355
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He said Jack should do her
instead of Rosie Cooper.
356
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And what did Mr Renshaw say?
357
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He said she'd be too well protected.
358
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,280
Did Mr Hankinson say anything?
359
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,640
Yeah. He said,
"You should do a synagogue."
360
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,560
And I said there'd be kids there...
361
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,240
My lord, again,
I didn't hear any of that.
362
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,520
And I'm afraid it's not just volume.
He has quite a strong accent.
363
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,480
I'm finding it difficult
to understand.
364
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,600
Mr Mullen, once again,
I must ask you to speak up.
365
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,600
If you mumble,
nobody can understand you.
366
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,280
So, you said there might be children
in a synagogue,
367
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,440
and what did Mr Renshaw say to that?
368
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,960
He said, "All Jews are the same.
369
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,400
"You don't class a rat by its age."
370
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He said, "Vermin is vermin."
371
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,000
Mr Mullen, you made
a statement to the police
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describing yourself in 2015,
373
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at the point you joined
National Action,
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as a "bored young man looking
for some identity or path to take".
375
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,280
Is that right?
376
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,760
If you say so.
377
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,960
It's not me saying so.
It's what you told the police.
378
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,000
OK.
After leaving school,
379
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,120
you were unemployed
and claiming sickness benefit
380
00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:06,520
for, erm... about four years?
381
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:10,840
Yeah. I had a... a stomach problem.
382
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,160
Were you sick?
383
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,920
For about a year, on and off.
For one year.
384
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,360
So, you accept
that for three of those four years,
385
00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:20,840
you were fraudulently
claiming benefits then?
386
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,960
It weren't that simple.
387
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,040
Sometimes, I was sick,
388
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,200
and then I got better.
It came and went.
389
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,000
Wearing your National Action hat,
390
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,400
what would your reaction have been,
say, to a young Somali teenager
391
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,200
arriving in this country,
going "on the sick",
392
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,720
with false stomach problems,
393
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,120
and fraudulently claiming
three years of benefits?
394
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:47,560
Dunno.
395
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,000
What did you think of the murder
of the MP Jo Cox?
396
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,200
I thought the guy that did it was
a weirdo.
397
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,000
You were asked
in your police interview,
398
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,720
"Did you think she was a traitor?"
What did you answer?
399
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,360
I don't remember.
400
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,520
Well, I can tell you.
You said, "Yes."
401
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,200
So, I obviously did.
402
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,560
But does it say in that interview
what time I was talking about?
403
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,560
It doesn't really matter, does it,
Mr Mullen?
404
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:14,680
Well, it obviously does
405
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,800
because I was probably being asked
406
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,120
what I thought about it
before she was killed and not after.
407
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:21,920
You regarded somebody like Jo Cox,
408
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,320
with her stance on immigration,
as a traitor, didn't you?
409
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,920
Yeah, but that doesn't mean
I thought she deserved to be killed.
410
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,800
Thank you, my lord.
No further questions.
411
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,080
Mr Mullen, as you know,
I appear for Christopher Lythgoe.
412
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,440
After your expulsion from school
413
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,240
and a succession of dead-end jobs,
414
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,520
you found being a member
of National Action exciting.
415
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,760
It gave you purpose.
There were finally people
416
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,080
in your life
that were listening to you.
417
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,320
I suppose so.
418
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,320
You told the police
419
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,480
that the primary purpose
of National Action
420
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,640
was to start a race war
421
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,120
and to "take our country back".
422
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,320
Yeah.
So, that must mean
423
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,000
that, at that time,
you shared those same views?
424
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,920
I never said that I didn't.
425
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,800
Please speak up, Mr Mullen.
426
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,760
I never said that I didn't share
those views.
427
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,880
Anti-Jew?
428
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,480
At the time, yeah.
429
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:24,960
Anti-Black?
430
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,520
Yeah.
431
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,080
Anti-Asian, anti any non-white?
432
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,800
Yeah.
433
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,760
Homophobic?
You know what "homophobic" means?
434
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,040
Yeah.
435
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,480
WHISPERS: He's the best witness
the defence have got.
436
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,520
So, you were for a white Britain
437
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,880
by any means necessary,
including violence?
438
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,800
MUMBLES: Yeah.
439
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,760
Again, we can't hear you.
440
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,280
Yeah.
441
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,440
Are you still racist?
Remember, you are under oath.
442
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,040
Yeah.
443
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,760
But less so.
444
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,160
Now, you say you didn't like the way
that things were working out
445
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,480
with National Action,
which is why you wanted to get out.
446
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,800
And yet, after the murder
of Jo Cox,
447
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,600
after the organisation was banned,
448
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,840
you still continued
to attend meetings. Why is that?
449
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,200
It wasn't that easy to walk away.
Why not?
450
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,480
I'd spent a lot of time
with these people.
451
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,840
They were my friends.
452
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,840
Perhaps you were lonely?
453
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,360
In a way, yeah.
454
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,560
A lonely drifter
with a dead-end life,
455
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,080
in search of friendship
and approval.
456
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,320
No further questions.
457
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,800
Thank you, Mr Aylett.
Let's call it a day there
458
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,560
and reconvene on Monday morning.
459
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,200
And the doctor said
you're getting stronger,
460
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,360
and the nurses are well happy
with you.
461
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:32,960
Said I'll be able to take you
for a little walk soon.
462
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,040
No. No, not just yet.
No, you can't have any Guinness yet.
463
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,080
Hello, Matthew.
464
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,560
All right, love?
465
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,840
I've got T-shirts
and clean underwear.
466
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,760
We hadn't been down
from Liverpool long.
467
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,440
Yours was the first friendly face
I remember.
468
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,280
You know, our kid blamed me
for me dad leaving, not you.
469
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,000
He said, because I told my mum
470
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,400
when I saw you and my dad in bed
together, then I was a grass...
471
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520
...and it was my fault
that he left us.
472
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,400
I'm sorry.
473
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,720
I know now that my dad was to blame,
you know.
474
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,640
He was the adult.
You were so young.
475
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,240
You know your mum and dad's marriage
was over long before I came along.
476
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,000
But I suppose I was responsible
for him moving out.
477
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,280
Why are you still washing his pants?
478
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,520
SHE CHUCKLES
479
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,480
I don't know.
480
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,680
Did you ever meet anyone else?
481
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:58,080
Yeah. I married briefly to Ray.
482
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,720
He wasn't your dad.
483
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,760
He was very charismatic.
484
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,520
He still is.
485
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,040
I was in love with him.
486
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,680
Leona, I don't know how to say this.
487
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,640
I hated you when I was growing up.
488
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,520
OK.
489
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,760
And because you ran off with my dad
490
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,680
and split our house up...
491
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,000
...and because you were Black,
492
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,840
I used you as an excuse
to hate all Black people.
493
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,640
Well, to me,
yous were all to blame.
494
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,480
You know, my head was so warped.
495
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,280
I was filled with so much anger
and so much hate, I...
496
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,160
...I joined the National Front.
497
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,040
Are you stupid?
498
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,320
No, no, I'm not.
No, Leona, honestly,
499
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,640
I don't think like that any more.
Look, I'm sorry, but...
500
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,760
it's not me.
Do you know what I mean?
501
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,520
I've spent so long
trying to put right what I did.
502
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,600
So, what do you want from me now?
503
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,800
Why are you telling me this?
504
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,640
You want forgiveness?
505
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,480
I think so.
506
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,240
OK.
507
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,520
I forgive you.
508
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,520
But what about everybody else?
509
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,480
SHE SCOFFS ANGRILY
510
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,120
Brenda?
511
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,640
'I checked in on Robbie at the flat.
512
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,760
'He's not there.'
Shit!
513
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,240
'Neighbour saw him Friday.
He's legged it to Widnes.'
514
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,840
Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely
where he's gone.
515
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,520
Is it that one?
Yeah.
516
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,280
Natalie?
517
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,320
I'm Matthew Collins.
I know who you are.
518
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,480
We've just come to ask Robbie
to come back to London
519
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,600
to continue giving his evidence.
He's not here.
520
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,360
Don't fuck about. We've driven
for over four hours to get here.
521
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,800
Sorry about that.
522
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,920
What's the point? None of them
believe a word I'm saying anyway.
523
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,600
Come back, lad. Renshaw's been
convicted now. All you got to do...
524
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,440
Stand there while they take the piss
out of me, my pathetic life,
525
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,440
the way I talk? It's not right,
what they're putting him through.
526
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,680
What the fuck has me
getting kicked out of school
527
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,960
or going on the sick
got to do with anything?
528
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,400
Robbie, come back.
529
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,640
I'm not coming back.
Stop being so fucking selfish!
530
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,600
You're behaving like a spoilt brat!
OK, come on.
531
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,080
No, look, there's people doing
everything they can for you.
532
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,200
I put my own family in danger
for you.
533
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,040
Now be a man and come back
and finish what you started!
534
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,800
Just fuck off!
No, you fuck off!
535
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,240
Matt, this isn't helping!
536
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,280
Look, he's got to finish this, Natalie.
537
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,520
He doesn't have to do anything.
Now, please,
538
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,960
my brother's made his decision.
Please respect that.
539
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,520
Fucking waste of time that was,
wasn't it?
540
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,360
I don't care what they say, Robbie.
541
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,440
You're not the same
as them other boys on trial.
542
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,240
I think you're a good person.
543
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,880
Night-night.
544
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,160
Court will rise.
545
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,520
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
We are ready to start.
546
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,800
MOBILE PHONE RINGS
547
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,320
Hello?
548
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,680
NICK: 'The court's in session.
No-one's seen him.'
549
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,720
OK, keep us posted.
550
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,760
He's not turned up.
551
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,560
What did you say?
552
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,440
He's not here.
553
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,360
Hey, mate.
554
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,920
All right.
555
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,520
I knew you'd turn up.
556
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,000
I see laughing boy's back.
557
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,000
Don't worry about it.
558
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,560
MOBILE PHONE RINGS
559
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,120
Hello?
560
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,160
'I'm with him now.
I told you not to worry.'
561
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,240
All right. Nice one, mate.
562
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,120
Thanks, ta-ra.
563
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,640
Right, we're back on.
564
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,040
Do you wanna go across?
Yeah. All right.
565
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,800
I'll see you later.
See you in a bit, love.
566
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,080
And wasn't it the case that night,
Mr Mullen,
567
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,560
that Mr Lythgoe and Mr Hankinson
were both very drunk?
568
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,720
It didn't seem like they were to me.
569
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,040
When Mr Renshaw outlined his plans
that night,
570
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,040
how sure were you
that he was being serious?
571
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,440
100%.
572
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,200
And Mr Lythgoe's reaction?
573
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,000
He said something like,
"Don't fuck it up."
574
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,480
Are you sure of that?
575
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Could he not actually have said,
by way of comment,
576
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,680
"You'll only fuck it up"?
577
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,480
No. It was "Don't fuck it up".
578
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,760
You see now, I suggest that
that wasn't said, Mr Mullen.
579
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,320
Well, I suggest it was.
580
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,960
After National Action
581
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,440
had been banned... INAUDIBLE
582
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,800
...and things started
583
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,880
to quieten down,
isn't it the case that you started
584
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,960
to look elsewhere for excitement?
585
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,880
No, that's not the truth.
586
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,600
You didn't want to go back to being
that bored young man
587
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,560
looking for an identity, did you?
Which is why you sexed up
588
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,560
what was actually said
in the pub that night...
589
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:41,680
That's ridiculous.
590
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,080
...so you had something exciting
591
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,960
to offer your new friends
at Hope Not Hate.
592
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,360
No.
Your friends who had sorted out
593
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,800
a flat for you and the ones who took
you on holiday to Dublin.
594
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,960
It wasn't like that.
Not a holiday holiday.
595
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,400
You had to give them something
nice and juicy, didn't you?
596
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,800
Because they were the ones that were
listening to you now, weren't they?
597
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,760
I don't know
what you're going on about.
598
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,120
I'm not making anything up.
I heard what I heard.
599
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,360
And you weren't there,
were you, mate?
600
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,160
No further questions, my lord.
601
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,080
Thank you, Mr Mullen.
Is that it?
602
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,600
Yes, you may stand down.
603
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,840
PROTESTORS SHOUT ANGRILY
604
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,680
Jack Renshaw is a hero!
605
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,800
He's a nonce, mate, and he got
exactly what he deserved, yeah!
606
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,520
My lord, I call Jack Renshaw.
607
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,760
In the pub that night,
were you seeking permission
608
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,680
from Chris Lythgoe
and National Action
609
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,400
to do what you had in your mind?
No.
610
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,240
Did he ever say to you,
when you'd revealed your intentions,
611
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:42,440
"Don't fuck it up"?
612
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,480
No. That sounds like the workings
of Mullen's fantasy.
613
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,360
Were you drunk when you arrived
at the pub that night?
614
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,320
Yes. I was intoxicated
and I was in a poor mental state.
615
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,440
We were all very drunk,
but Chris is very similar to me,
616
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,400
in the sense that we don't normally
show that we're drunk.
617
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,680
You know, we talk more, talk louder,
618
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,440
but, well, physically,
we don't particularly look drunk.
619
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,120
Thank you, Mr Renshaw.
Could you wait there, please?
620
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,240
Mr Renshaw,
is it your hatred of the Jews
621
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:20,320
what led you
into extreme right-wing politics?
622
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,960
Because you hate them, don't you?
623
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,240
Yeah, I do.
Do you accept
624
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:26,560
that there were gas chambers?
No.
625
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,360
Do you accept the holocaust,
that millions of Jews were killed
626
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,560
by the Nazis during World War II?
627
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,480
No, I do not.
Where did they all go then?
628
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,440
Most of them were put
into concentration camps,
629
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,280
but if you look at the statistics
of Jews prior to the war
630
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,000
and Jews after the war,
631
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,760
the Jewish population
actually increased.
632
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,280
So, what was your plan?
633
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,520
What were you going to do
with this machete?
634
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,640
I hadn't really thought it through.
635
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,800
Chop Rosie Cooper's head off?
636
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,040
Through the heart, or what?
637
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,520
Probably the jugular.
638
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,080
And what were you going to do
with this machete on the jugular?
639
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,480
Hack at it.
640
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,520
You said earlier you couldn't
really remember anything
641
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,440
that had happened at the pub
that evening?
642
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,120
Just snippets.
Just snippets.
643
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,400
But do we understand those snippets
to include
644
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,200
that you can remember Mr Hankinson
did not mention the synagogue
645
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,280
as somewhere
you might attack instead?
646
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,400
That's right.
And you can clearly remember
647
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,640
that Mr Lythgoe did not say,
"Make sure you don't fuck it up"?
648
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,520
Yeah, because that's just
not something he would say.
649
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,440
Those snippets, by chance,
you remember -
650
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,880
the ones that help your friends.
651
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,640
Curious that the rest
of the conversation
652
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,640
you were too drunk to remember.
Is it that you're trying
653
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,240
to protect your friends, Mr Renshaw?
654
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,720
Is that why you're standing
there now, lying to the jury?
655
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,040
I haven't lied.
656
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,720
PROTESTORS SHOUT AGGRESSIVELY
657
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,280
SHOUTING CONTINUES
658
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,440
Are you all right, Bren?
659
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,120
You just make sure you do
the fucking business in there, yeah?
660
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,440
That's the twat
who's giving Robbie grief.
661
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,960
Is he?
Yeah.
662
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,360
He's been staring him out,
trying to intimidate him.
663
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,000
Hey, gobshite, why don't me and you
go for a little walk
664
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,360
after this, eh?
Any time.
665
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,440
Yeah, any time.
Ready when you are.
666
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,760
Mr Collins,
667
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,840
at one point you, yourself,
were a mole, weren't you?
668
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,040
That's right, yeah.
669
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,040
Er... I was a member
of the National Front
670
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,800
and then the BNP.
671
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,720
I was passing information
to an anti-fascist magazine.
672
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:16,680
How did you first come into contact
with Robbie Mullen?
673
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,440
He wrote to me under a false name.
674
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,920
You know, it was pretty clear that
he felt trapped at National Action.
675
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,960
It was like he was in a cult
and he wanted out.
676
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,840
Did he ever ask for any money
for the information he gave you?
677
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,400
No, none.
678
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,000
Thank you.
679
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,840
You took Mr Mullen on holiday,
didn't you, to Dublin?
680
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,200
I wouldn't exactly call it
a holiday.
681
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,320
He needed a breather.
To be honest with you, we both did.
682
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,240
Well, the situation was very tense
at the time.
683
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:48,200
Was that as a reward for coming up
with some juicy titbits
684
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,680
for your website
685
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,280
and Hope Not Hate magazine?
686
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,800
No. We felt like we had
a duty of care towards him,
687
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,640
you know, both for his physical
and mental wellbeing.
688
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,040
Well, because, as you said,
you'd been there yourself.
689
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,040
All those years ago,
that anti-fascist magazine had paid
690
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,400
for an air ticket for you
to Australia, hadn't it?
691
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,040
That's right, they did, yeah.
692
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,800
Yeah, but there's a big difference
between me and Robbie Mullen.
693
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,480
You see, I ran off to Australia
694
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,240
rather than be called up to face
any trial
695
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,600
because I didn't want to be accused
publicly as an informant.
696
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,120
You know, I didn't wanna be called
a grass.
697
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,640
You see, me and Robbie come
from a similar background
698
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,280
and we both know what that means.
699
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,720
But he's got the courage
700
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,120
to come back and face the people
he's accusing.
701
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,960
Very commendable, I'm sure.
702
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,040
No, what I'm saying is...
Thank you, my lord.
703
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:39,160
What I'm saying is Robbie Mullen's
a better man than me.
704
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,480
Court will rise.
705
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,800
Foreman of the jury,
706
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,680
have you reached verdicts
upon which you are all agreed?
707
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,320
Yes.
708
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,920
Will the defendants please rise?
709
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,600
On count three,
encouragement to commit murder,
710
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,800
do you find the defendant,
Christopher Lythgoe,
711
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,120
guilty or not guilty?
712
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,600
Not guilty.
713
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,160
On count four, membership
of a proscribed organisation,
714
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,600
contrary to Section 11
of the Terrorism Act,
715
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,600
do you find the defendant,
Jack Renshaw, guilty or not guilty?
716
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,640
Not guilty.
717
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,000
On the same count, membership
of a proscribed organisation,
718
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,160
do you find the defendant,
Matthew Hankinson,
719
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,040
guilty or not guilty?
720
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,720
Guilty.
721
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,360
On the same count, membership
of a proscribed organisation,
722
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,320
do you find the defendant,
Christopher Lythgoe,
723
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,640
guilty or not guilty?
724
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,520
Guilty.
725
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,640
The idea that this country should be
purged of its ethnic minorities,
726
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,320
its Jews and homosexuals,
727
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,720
and an ideological revolution
imposed on the population by force,
728
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:26,920
is both insidious and evil.
729
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,840
Only a moment's thought is required
to come to the conclusion
730
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,080
that violence and repression
731
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,560
on an unprecedented scale
would be needed
732
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,280
to achieve such a reign of terror,
733
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,840
because so many right-minded people
would rise up
734
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,000
and oppose these monstrous plans.
735
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,640
HE KNOCKS ON DOOR
736
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,760
All right? Come in.
You OK?
737
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,400
Thanks for looking after him
during the trial.
738
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,000
Well, he did that himself.
739
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,320
Nobody can persuade him
to do anything he don't want to.
740
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,680
All right.
741
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,800
Ah, ta.
742
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,640
Ooh.
743
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,880
So, go on, then.
744
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,320
What did they get?
745
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:31,920
Renshaw got life
with a minimum term of 20 years.
746
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:36,200
Lythgoe got eight
and Hankinson got six.
747
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,160
Rosie Cooper, the MP,
she thanked you at the trial.
748
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,920
She gave a statement, saying how
grateful she was for what you did.
749
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,360
She's supposed to be meeting us
at the House of Commons today.
750
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,800
That's why I came down here, but...
751
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,720
I was going to go along with you,
wasn't I?
752
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:56,000
Mm.
Then why aren't yous going?
753
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,200
Well, the police cancelled it
this morning,
754
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,000
and they told her
she can't meet with Robbie.
755
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,400
Why can't they just leave it be, eh?
756
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,040
My mum's got Ellie and I wanted
to do some shopping afterwards.
757
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,640
I was looking forward to it.
758
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,640
That's what happens to people
like us, innit?
759
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,000
Right, get your coat.
760
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,920
What?
We're going shopping, come on!
761
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,400
We'll get the tube into town.
Are you coming, Robbie?
762
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,840
Absolutely not!
763
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,560
Are you sure?
764
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,920
Right.
765
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,200
I'll see you later.
Have fun. See you later.
766
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,080
See you later, love. Cheers.
767
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,760
Don't spend too much money!
ALISON LAUGHS
768
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,960
You don't fancy that, lad, no?
No!
769
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,560
I can't think of anything worse, myself.
770
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,760
I don't think they believed a word
I said, did they...
771
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,600
the jury?
772
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,360
I told you they wouldn't.
773
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,840
Well, we got the guilty convictions
we needed, didn't we?
774
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,440
Got a couple of non-guilties too, though.
775
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,560
Well, either way,
they're all in prison, aren't they?
776
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:00,160
Look, you stopped two women
from getting murdered.
777
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,360
Never forget that.
778
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,400
You know, the best bit of the trial
for me, Rob,
779
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,760
was when they asked you
was you still a racist...
780
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,680
...and you said, "Less so."
781
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,400
You know, it's not just all
about people like me
782
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,080
being struck by bolts of lightning
783
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,600
and suddenly seeing the world differently.
784
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,920
It's about people like you...
785
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,480
...changing just a little bit.
786
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:38,200
You know, in the words
of the late, great Robert Nesta,
787
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,560
"We all have a voice inside us
that talks to us
788
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,600
"and that's the voice
we must listen to.
789
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,040
"Because in everything you do,
790
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,800
"there's a right way
and a wrong way.
791
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,880
"And if you listen good,
792
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,360
"you'll know the right way."
793
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,920
"Less so."
794
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,960
I'll have that, lad.
That's progress.
795
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,400
Jo Cox.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
796
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,320
It's a great privilege to be called
to make my maiden speech
797
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,080
in this most important of debates,
and I congratulate many others
798
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,600
who've made outstanding
maiden speeches today as well.
799
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:31,200
Batley and Spen is a gathering
of typically independent,
800
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,840
no-nonsense, proud Yorkshire towns
and villages.
801
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,240
Our communities have been
deeply enhanced by immigration,
802
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,760
be it Irish Catholics
across the constituency,
803
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,560
or Muslims from Indian Gujarat or
Pakistan, principally from Kashmir.
804
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,520
And whilst we celebrate
our diversity,
805
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,040
the thing that surprises me,
time and time again,
806
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,440
as I travel around the constituency,
is that we are far more united
807
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,320
and have far more in common
than that which divides us.
808
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,320
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