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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:47,381 --> 00:00:54,322 ♪♪♪ 2 00:01:02,430 --> 00:01:04,198 Blenheim Palace. 3 00:01:04,265 --> 00:01:06,500 It's so interesting that apparently Her Majesty, 4 00:01:06,567 --> 00:01:08,068 whenever she goes there, always says, 5 00:01:08,136 --> 00:01:10,204 "Why is your Palace bigger than mine?' 6 00:01:10,671 --> 00:01:17,311 ♪♪♪ 7 00:01:32,493 --> 00:01:34,862 We're at a quintessentially British event, 8 00:01:34,928 --> 00:01:36,464 Sir James, what brings you here? 9 00:01:36,530 --> 00:01:38,031 So this is an amazing place. 10 00:01:38,098 --> 00:01:39,467 I've never been here before. 11 00:01:39,533 --> 00:01:40,744 I've obviously been to Blenheim, 12 00:01:40,768 --> 00:01:42,803 but not to Salon Privé before. 13 00:01:42,870 --> 00:01:45,706 This is the Duke of Marlborough Award. 14 00:01:45,773 --> 00:01:47,875 So Your Grace, would you like to present Ben 15 00:01:47,941 --> 00:01:49,042 with his award, please? 16 00:01:51,078 --> 00:01:53,481 Andrew, we're at the Salon Privé. 17 00:01:53,547 --> 00:01:54,682 What brings you here? 18 00:01:55,383 --> 00:01:57,451 We've been before, we've enjoyed it, I like cars 19 00:01:57,518 --> 00:01:59,520 and it's a nice setting, you know, 20 00:01:59,587 --> 00:02:00,921 it's just a nice thing to do. 21 00:02:01,155 --> 00:02:03,157 What's special about British cars? 22 00:02:03,224 --> 00:02:04,592 When they work? 23 00:02:05,593 --> 00:02:08,429 They have a personality, a character. 24 00:02:09,630 --> 00:02:12,032 What would you say is the defining qualities 25 00:02:12,099 --> 00:02:13,634 of being quintessentially British? 26 00:02:14,101 --> 00:02:16,737 Well, I think that we're very friendly people. 27 00:02:16,804 --> 00:02:20,541 I think we're very relaxed and creative and I suppose 28 00:02:20,608 --> 00:02:22,210 a little bit quirky. 29 00:02:22,276 --> 00:02:24,245 And you think of all the incredible things 30 00:02:24,312 --> 00:02:25,779 that have come out of this country, 31 00:02:26,247 --> 00:02:28,882 from the Rolling Stones and the Beatles to Aston Martin. 32 00:02:28,949 --> 00:02:31,919 I mean, it's an absolutely fantastic mélange 33 00:02:31,985 --> 00:02:34,188 of excitement and creativity, I think. 34 00:02:34,255 --> 00:02:37,791 ♪♪♪ 35 00:02:37,858 --> 00:02:39,560 Our feature documentary is called 36 00:02:39,627 --> 00:02:40,994 Quintessentially British. 37 00:02:41,329 --> 00:02:44,164 What does quintessentially British mean to you? 38 00:02:45,233 --> 00:02:49,703 Unique, I think, probably is the best way to describe it. 39 00:02:50,204 --> 00:02:53,907 It's very difficult to pin down 40 00:02:53,974 --> 00:02:56,510 what it means to be British. 41 00:02:56,910 --> 00:03:00,248 There is something about self-deprecation, 42 00:03:00,314 --> 00:03:04,952 something about attachment to history and tradition. 43 00:03:05,018 --> 00:03:06,720 Quiet pride. 44 00:03:06,787 --> 00:03:10,458 Being in a garden, a green space. 45 00:03:11,158 --> 00:03:15,095 I think of our British sense of humor is really 46 00:03:15,162 --> 00:03:17,565 what the British people turn to, 47 00:03:17,631 --> 00:03:21,502 in times of trouble, and what helps us get out of it. 48 00:03:21,869 --> 00:03:24,305 I think the way we speak, 49 00:03:24,638 --> 00:03:26,540 because we're full of irony, 50 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,742 so ironic and always saying 51 00:03:28,809 --> 00:03:30,778 things we don't quite mean. 52 00:03:30,844 --> 00:03:32,989 There's always "Well, what did he mean when he said that?" 53 00:03:33,013 --> 00:03:34,748 There's always that element. I love that. 54 00:03:34,815 --> 00:03:37,117 Politeness, kindness. 55 00:03:38,419 --> 00:03:39,920 Stuck-up-ness. 56 00:03:40,588 --> 00:03:42,656 When American friends of mine come over here, 57 00:03:42,723 --> 00:03:44,425 they often say, "Oh you know, the English 58 00:03:44,492 --> 00:03:46,260 are so friendly." And I think 59 00:03:46,327 --> 00:03:49,330 to myself and I sometimes say to them, "They're civil." 60 00:03:50,163 --> 00:03:52,900 They're not really necessarily friendly. 61 00:03:52,966 --> 00:03:56,003 But you know, they're polite in a way that you know, 62 00:03:56,069 --> 00:03:59,940 in America you go into a shop or the supermarket 63 00:04:00,007 --> 00:04:01,475 and you know, they're all over you 64 00:04:01,542 --> 00:04:03,022 with this kind of, you know, bonhomie, 65 00:04:03,076 --> 00:04:04,945 which then is just switched off. 66 00:04:05,313 --> 00:04:07,147 You know, we don't overstate things. 67 00:04:07,214 --> 00:04:09,650 Americans are all about these big gestures, aren't they? 68 00:04:09,717 --> 00:04:11,452 You know, when they meet each other 69 00:04:11,519 --> 00:04:13,559 and they're sort of "Oh, it's fantastic to see you." 70 00:04:13,587 --> 00:04:15,856 We're a little bit quieter, you know, sort of assume 71 00:04:15,923 --> 00:04:17,491 that it's good to see you, 72 00:04:17,558 --> 00:04:19,092 but we'd really just rather sort of get 73 00:04:19,159 --> 00:04:22,029 down to talking about what's going on. 74 00:04:22,095 --> 00:04:24,798 We do like to go our own way and do our own thing, 75 00:04:25,299 --> 00:04:28,502 and listening to other people can be difficult at times. 76 00:04:28,569 --> 00:04:30,371 Yes. 77 00:04:30,438 --> 00:04:32,640 We kind of have a strict sense of formal etiquette. 78 00:04:32,706 --> 00:04:34,708 But in truth, anyone who's spent 79 00:04:34,775 --> 00:04:36,553 any time with normal British people would know 80 00:04:36,577 --> 00:04:39,112 that we're basically a lot of the time drunk. 81 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:41,515 So, we're a mass of contradictions. 82 00:04:41,582 --> 00:04:43,283 I think if you ask my wife 83 00:04:43,351 --> 00:04:45,052 what the quintessential characteristics 84 00:04:45,118 --> 00:04:47,154 of an Englishmen are, she would say good manners, 85 00:04:47,220 --> 00:04:50,157 respectful behaviour, decent standards of dress. 86 00:04:50,858 --> 00:04:52,993 Perhaps she's a little old fashioned in that. 87 00:04:53,661 --> 00:04:54,995 Just being very English. 88 00:04:58,899 --> 00:05:03,704 If the cliché of the Englishman is his politeness, 89 00:05:03,771 --> 00:05:08,108 his discretion, his privacy, obeys the rules, 90 00:05:08,609 --> 00:05:12,079 is it any wonder that those same people 91 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:14,582 love going to the theatre where everything is different 92 00:05:14,648 --> 00:05:17,751 and the people let their hair down and sometimes their pants. 93 00:05:21,922 --> 00:05:26,259 We love the theatre, because so many of us are 94 00:05:26,326 --> 00:05:28,696 not theatrical in our lives. 95 00:05:29,997 --> 00:05:33,867 And the most famous Englishman who ever lived wrote plays, 96 00:05:33,934 --> 00:05:35,035 but was an actor. 97 00:05:37,405 --> 00:05:38,472 Not a king. 98 00:05:39,039 --> 00:05:40,474 Not a politician. 99 00:05:41,008 --> 00:05:42,109 Not an athlete. 100 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:44,311 Not a saint. 101 00:05:47,848 --> 00:05:50,451 Our national hero is an actor. 102 00:05:51,218 --> 00:05:53,787 Of course, other cultures love their theater. 103 00:05:53,854 --> 00:05:57,458 And everyone loves storytelling it's a very, very basic need. 104 00:05:57,525 --> 00:06:00,994 But the Brits have caught on to it, perhaps more than most. 105 00:06:02,195 --> 00:06:04,364 We've been at it a long time. 106 00:06:05,766 --> 00:06:07,835 Just do a sound check, Ian, just... 107 00:06:07,901 --> 00:06:09,437 Yes, yes, go ahead. Yup. 108 00:06:09,503 --> 00:06:10,838 Sir Ian McKellen. 109 00:06:11,705 --> 00:06:14,642 You... please, I'm not Sir. 110 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:16,109 Okay, okay. 111 00:06:16,176 --> 00:06:17,645 That's a title. 112 00:06:17,711 --> 00:06:19,413 It's not a name. 113 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,214 Unless you're calling everybody else Mister. 114 00:06:23,050 --> 00:06:24,952 Sure. Okay. Ian McKellen. 115 00:06:25,018 --> 00:06:27,220 Yep, yep, thank you. 116 00:06:30,157 --> 00:06:33,293 I began to like Shakespeare by going to see his plays. 117 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:34,528 Not by reading them. 118 00:06:34,595 --> 00:06:36,129 Or being taught them. 119 00:06:36,196 --> 00:06:37,998 He knew, it seems better 120 00:06:38,065 --> 00:06:39,900 than any other writer who ever lived, 121 00:06:39,967 --> 00:06:43,270 the variety of human needs and passions, 122 00:06:43,336 --> 00:06:44,605 and desires. 123 00:06:44,672 --> 00:06:46,339 That's the basis of it all 124 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:50,644 is the jealousy, the love, the hatred, the fear. 125 00:06:50,711 --> 00:06:53,781 Shakespeare, in one speech tells you 126 00:06:53,847 --> 00:07:00,621 more about the life of a man, from cradle to grave 127 00:07:00,921 --> 00:07:04,992 than a thousand pages of someone else's writing 128 00:07:05,058 --> 00:07:06,827 could tell you. 129 00:07:06,894 --> 00:07:09,797 We love tales of horror and violence and murder 130 00:07:09,863 --> 00:07:11,675 and people doing terrible things to each other. 131 00:07:11,699 --> 00:07:13,634 And Shakespeare does them so brilliantly. 132 00:07:13,701 --> 00:07:16,670 He only invented one plot for himself 133 00:07:16,737 --> 00:07:18,371 in the whole of the 37 plays. 134 00:07:18,438 --> 00:07:19,718 That was the last play he wrote. 135 00:07:19,773 --> 00:07:21,141 All the others he pinched. 136 00:07:21,208 --> 00:07:22,843 What? From history books, 137 00:07:22,910 --> 00:07:25,145 from poetry books, from other people's plays. 138 00:07:25,212 --> 00:07:27,481 There was a Hamlet play before Shakespeare wrote his. 139 00:07:27,948 --> 00:07:31,552 We filmed Hamlet before we put it onto the stage 140 00:07:31,619 --> 00:07:34,655 and when we were filming it, the Duke of Edinburgh died. 141 00:07:34,722 --> 00:07:39,026 The Duke of Edinburgh dying as we were filming a play 142 00:07:39,092 --> 00:07:42,530 about a royal family who lived in a castle. 143 00:07:42,596 --> 00:07:44,832 And here we were in the shadow of Windsor Castle, 144 00:07:44,898 --> 00:07:46,266 and we were filming the castle. 145 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:49,269 You know, the queen losing her husband after so long. 146 00:07:49,336 --> 00:07:51,404 Here we are doing a story about a queen who 147 00:07:51,471 --> 00:07:53,574 loses a husband and marries her husband's brother. 148 00:07:53,641 --> 00:07:56,443 It's hard not to see what the connections are. 149 00:07:57,578 --> 00:08:00,748 Ian McKellen was wary of playing Hamlet 150 00:08:00,814 --> 00:08:04,852 because he's 80 and Hamlet's 20. 151 00:08:04,918 --> 00:08:08,856 But I thought he can respect the language and the poetry, 152 00:08:08,922 --> 00:08:12,225 but still make it his own and make it modern. 153 00:08:12,292 --> 00:08:15,796 Because whilst he's known now as Gandalf, he's still 154 00:08:15,863 --> 00:08:18,532 sort of known for being this great, 155 00:08:18,599 --> 00:08:20,400 great Shakespearean actor. 156 00:08:20,934 --> 00:08:23,937 Oh, we're living in an age when an 82 year old man 157 00:08:24,004 --> 00:08:26,707 is pretending to be a 22 year old boy 158 00:08:26,774 --> 00:08:29,109 and that specific man doing it, MacKellen. 159 00:08:29,777 --> 00:08:31,411 Here we are, it's live. 160 00:08:31,812 --> 00:08:34,047 And never forget, you can never forget 161 00:08:34,114 --> 00:08:35,616 when you're seeing a Shakespeare play 162 00:08:35,683 --> 00:08:37,163 that that's exactly what you're doing. 163 00:08:37,718 --> 00:08:39,152 You're seeing a play. 164 00:08:40,287 --> 00:08:41,855 Dame Judi. 165 00:08:41,922 --> 00:08:43,557 Dame Judi, to your left please. 166 00:08:43,624 --> 00:08:45,926 Over here please, Judi. 167 00:08:45,993 --> 00:08:47,728 We were filming with Sir Ian McKellen 168 00:08:47,795 --> 00:08:51,164 with Hamlet and you of course, played Ophelia in Hamlet 169 00:08:51,231 --> 00:08:52,833 - and Hamlet... - And Gertrude. 170 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:54,134 And Gertrude and Ophelia... 171 00:08:54,201 --> 00:08:55,803 Not in the same production. 172 00:08:55,869 --> 00:08:57,270 Not in the same production. 173 00:08:57,337 --> 00:08:58,972 What is it about Shakespeare that is 174 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:00,340 so quintessentially English 175 00:09:00,407 --> 00:09:01,567 and beloved around the world? 176 00:09:01,609 --> 00:09:03,176 I have two passions. 177 00:09:03,476 --> 00:09:05,579 One is Shakespeare. The other is trees. 178 00:09:05,646 --> 00:09:08,649 And I was brought up on Shakespeare as a little girl, 179 00:09:08,716 --> 00:09:10,751 and my family used to quote it. 180 00:09:10,818 --> 00:09:14,755 Reams of it, I could do a whole play for you now. 181 00:09:15,255 --> 00:09:18,592 If you like the Dream or Twelfth Night, I could do all that. 182 00:09:18,659 --> 00:09:20,594 I could do a lot of Measure for Measure. 183 00:09:20,661 --> 00:09:22,863 I could do a bit of The Merchant of Venice. 184 00:09:23,196 --> 00:09:26,767 It's a good note to give to tired old actors 185 00:09:26,834 --> 00:09:29,002 of Shakespeare is, you know 186 00:09:29,069 --> 00:09:30,570 Shakespeare was an Italian? 187 00:09:33,306 --> 00:09:35,676 "To be or not to be, that's the question," I mean... 188 00:09:37,177 --> 00:09:41,114 Italians, the cliche for us who are not Italians, 189 00:09:41,181 --> 00:09:42,683 is that they never stop talking. 190 00:09:43,316 --> 00:09:44,718 You can say the same of the Irish. 191 00:09:46,353 --> 00:09:48,155 And talking very well. 192 00:09:49,189 --> 00:09:52,092 Good talk. Not idle chatter. 193 00:09:53,393 --> 00:09:57,798 But done with great flair and imagination and metaphor 194 00:09:57,865 --> 00:10:03,236 and a variety of pace in the speaking and the hands 195 00:10:03,303 --> 00:10:05,639 and the gestures coming to it in a way 196 00:10:05,706 --> 00:10:10,678 that the British wouldn't express themselves these days. 197 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:13,146 I mean, we've had the Victorian era to live 198 00:10:13,213 --> 00:10:17,317 through to change our collective personality, 199 00:10:17,384 --> 00:10:20,153 our national personality. But I think Shakespeare's 200 00:10:20,220 --> 00:10:25,292 characters are much more what we think of as Italian or Irish. 201 00:10:32,833 --> 00:10:35,803 My world at the moment, we talk so much 202 00:10:35,869 --> 00:10:38,972 about the provenance of where your item is made. 203 00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:42,609 And I think what's so interesting about the Queen, 204 00:10:42,676 --> 00:10:44,978 but also the Royal Family at large, 205 00:10:45,045 --> 00:10:47,114 is they've always shopped that way. 206 00:10:47,180 --> 00:10:50,650 They've always supported the Savile Row's, 207 00:10:50,718 --> 00:10:52,720 the Henry Poole's, Prince Charles gets 208 00:10:52,786 --> 00:10:55,355 his John Lobb shoes, the Duke of Edinburgh, 209 00:10:55,422 --> 00:10:57,257 a Lock, Co. cap. 210 00:10:57,324 --> 00:11:01,528 And that's so important to them to support these brands 211 00:11:01,594 --> 00:11:04,131 and to give them their Royal Warrants and I think 212 00:11:04,197 --> 00:11:08,401 it's often underestimated how important that is 213 00:11:08,468 --> 00:11:10,738 and how that keeps these businesses alive. 214 00:11:11,504 --> 00:11:15,442 I have to confess that I have never, ever been able 215 00:11:15,508 --> 00:11:20,047 to afford to go to Savile Row to buy my clothes. 216 00:11:20,113 --> 00:11:25,552 But I think there is something about precision tailoring, 217 00:11:25,618 --> 00:11:29,556 genuine craftsmanship that is an important 218 00:11:29,622 --> 00:11:33,193 bit of British making tradition. 219 00:11:33,260 --> 00:11:35,729 The sartorial elegance, which is actually 220 00:11:35,796 --> 00:11:38,398 partly seen in Downton Abbey, is very British, 221 00:11:38,465 --> 00:11:40,367 whether it's through James Bond 222 00:11:40,433 --> 00:11:41,769 or the Savile Row tailors. 223 00:11:41,835 --> 00:11:43,470 I think the British are known for it 224 00:11:43,536 --> 00:11:45,372 and it's trying to set a high bar. 225 00:11:45,438 --> 00:11:47,707 And some ways, of course, that's what His Royal Highness 226 00:11:47,775 --> 00:11:49,576 Prince Philip set out to do. 227 00:11:49,642 --> 00:11:52,980 He always encouraged people to be the best 228 00:11:53,046 --> 00:11:55,082 and that's where you should aim for. 229 00:11:55,148 --> 00:11:58,819 Not half tying a tie, but tying a tie really well. 230 00:11:58,886 --> 00:12:01,989 Learning how to do something really well, you know, 231 00:12:02,055 --> 00:12:04,457 looking at someone's shoes, are they polished or not? 232 00:12:04,524 --> 00:12:07,327 And I still find I look at someone's shoes, 233 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:09,830 just glancing down just seeing whether 234 00:12:09,897 --> 00:12:11,664 they're polished or not. 235 00:12:12,332 --> 00:12:16,003 My husband gave our son a 21st birthday present 236 00:12:16,069 --> 00:12:17,838 of a suit from Savile Row. 237 00:12:18,305 --> 00:12:22,209 So it's that wonderful process of choosing the fabric, 238 00:12:22,275 --> 00:12:25,245 of deciding, it's of getting measured, of getting adjusted. 239 00:12:25,312 --> 00:12:30,650 That whole process and journey is a delight to watch. 240 00:12:31,618 --> 00:12:33,520 There is no other street like Savile Row. 241 00:12:33,586 --> 00:12:36,323 Through the generations it's survived and it's survived 242 00:12:36,389 --> 00:12:38,334 because of obviously the great houses, the names that have 243 00:12:38,358 --> 00:12:40,160 existed here on the Row. 244 00:12:40,227 --> 00:12:43,663 We don't claim to be in fashion at any one time, 245 00:12:43,730 --> 00:12:45,165 because fashion comes and goes. 246 00:12:45,232 --> 00:12:46,967 Like the tide, it comes in and out. 247 00:12:47,234 --> 00:12:50,037 Bespoke is a tailoring term and the young will 248 00:12:50,103 --> 00:12:52,705 always have a need to create things 249 00:12:52,772 --> 00:12:53,974 that are unique for them. 250 00:12:56,076 --> 00:12:58,011 Henry Poole really is the founding fathers 251 00:12:58,078 --> 00:13:01,214 of Savile Row and also the great inventors of the dinner suit, 252 00:13:01,281 --> 00:13:02,715 otherwise known as the Tuxedo. 253 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:06,386 It's a great honour to be at Henry Poole and being known 254 00:13:06,453 --> 00:13:08,721 for dressing some of the great names of the past, 255 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:11,558 such as Vanderbilts, such as J.P. Morgan, 256 00:13:11,624 --> 00:13:14,694 such as Napoleon III, such as the Tzars of Russia, 257 00:13:14,761 --> 00:13:16,363 even the Emperor of Japan. 258 00:13:16,429 --> 00:13:18,431 Still today, these names stand. 259 00:13:19,732 --> 00:13:22,335 Winston Churchill was probably one of our great men 260 00:13:22,402 --> 00:13:24,204 that have walked in here. 261 00:13:24,271 --> 00:13:26,974 And of course, he came to us as a young, slim gentleman 262 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,710 and got to meet my great grandfather and my grandfather. 263 00:13:30,777 --> 00:13:33,947 And my grandfather remembered talking about his suits 264 00:13:34,014 --> 00:13:36,749 that came in for abundant alteration cleaning 265 00:13:36,816 --> 00:13:38,418 due to the cigar smoke. 266 00:13:38,485 --> 00:13:40,245 And they would always find little bits of ash 267 00:13:40,453 --> 00:13:42,022 and stubs inside pockets, 268 00:13:42,089 --> 00:13:44,091 which was very much his character. 269 00:13:44,591 --> 00:13:46,860 But he was apparently a wonderful man, 270 00:13:46,927 --> 00:13:48,428 even though he was quite moody 271 00:13:48,495 --> 00:13:49,997 at some points, you know, and we did 272 00:13:50,063 --> 00:13:51,764 have a little tit for tats over bills 273 00:13:51,831 --> 00:13:53,666 that were eventually sorted. 274 00:13:54,501 --> 00:13:56,203 This is what we call measure books. 275 00:13:59,072 --> 00:14:01,574 So we would have measured Winston's father, 276 00:14:01,641 --> 00:14:05,045 and this is 1886 by the looks of it. 277 00:14:05,112 --> 00:14:10,083 Later on in life, Winston came to us in 1906, which is there, 278 00:14:10,650 --> 00:14:12,986 and that's some of his clothes that was made. 279 00:14:14,621 --> 00:14:17,757 You'll always meet customers and get to know them, 280 00:14:17,824 --> 00:14:19,344 which is the best part of the business. 281 00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:21,561 How would you like your pockets here? 282 00:14:21,628 --> 00:14:22,963 This is the big question here. 283 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:25,232 Well, generally I don't use them. 284 00:14:25,298 --> 00:14:27,667 You know, I won't be putting any cigars in them. 285 00:14:27,734 --> 00:14:29,414 - Like Churchill. - You should, you should. 286 00:14:29,469 --> 00:14:31,204 - I should. - Four working buttons 287 00:14:31,271 --> 00:14:32,949 on the cuff? So there's four working buttons here? 288 00:14:32,973 --> 00:14:34,141 Yes please, yes. 289 00:14:34,207 --> 00:14:35,442 Pleats or no pleats? 290 00:14:35,508 --> 00:14:36,709 That's a very good question. 291 00:14:36,776 --> 00:14:38,946 You're not strong on the thigh, 292 00:14:39,012 --> 00:14:40,380 so you don't need to have pleats. 293 00:14:40,447 --> 00:14:42,482 - Right. - Zip fly or button fly? 294 00:14:42,549 --> 00:14:44,151 - Zip fly. - I have to ask. 295 00:14:44,217 --> 00:14:47,220 - Yeah. - But for most people it's zip. 296 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,658 So, single-breasted, button two, notched lapel. 297 00:14:51,724 --> 00:14:54,894 So, that's your plain weave with no colorway. 298 00:14:54,962 --> 00:14:58,198 That's your pinhead, showing the actual distances 299 00:14:58,265 --> 00:14:59,632 between the two colorways. 300 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:02,769 And I probably would put it between those two. 301 00:15:03,336 --> 00:15:06,839 So, Simon, I think executive decision, I think let's go... 302 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:08,308 - Yes. - Let's go for this. 303 00:15:08,375 --> 00:15:09,652 Yes, I think that's a lovely one. 304 00:15:09,676 --> 00:15:11,311 It perfectly works well. 305 00:15:11,378 --> 00:15:13,189 It's smart casual and dress it up, dress it down. 306 00:15:13,213 --> 00:15:14,847 And also it has a bit more character, 307 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:16,516 it has a little bit more of the depth 308 00:15:16,583 --> 00:15:17,860 in the marbling effect with the pinhead. 309 00:15:17,884 --> 00:15:19,352 So it's a good, good choice. 310 00:15:20,020 --> 00:15:21,998 So when you mention Savile Row, I immediately think 311 00:15:22,022 --> 00:15:23,991 of The Beatles and their last live performance 312 00:15:24,057 --> 00:15:26,193 on the roof at number 3, Savile Row. 313 00:15:26,259 --> 00:15:29,629 Sadly a bit before my time on the row. 314 00:15:29,696 --> 00:15:31,764 There's quite often tours that come, 315 00:15:31,831 --> 00:15:34,601 they will always stop outside the Apple building, 316 00:15:34,667 --> 00:15:37,637 before they come and stop here at number 10, Savile Row. 317 00:15:38,871 --> 00:15:42,109 We're very fortunate, we have quite an eclectic 318 00:15:42,175 --> 00:15:43,710 range of customers. 319 00:15:43,776 --> 00:15:47,214 Officers in the army, to captains of industry. 320 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,117 And we have been known to make the odd outfit 321 00:15:50,183 --> 00:15:51,784 for heads of state. 322 00:15:52,485 --> 00:15:54,754 Thankfully, I've still got my head. 323 00:15:56,756 --> 00:15:59,492 Prince William and Prince Harry did their year 324 00:15:59,559 --> 00:16:01,928 at Sandhurst and whilst they were training there, 325 00:16:01,995 --> 00:16:04,564 we were asked to make their initial uniforms. 326 00:16:05,265 --> 00:16:07,867 We received a great accolade and the fact 327 00:16:07,934 --> 00:16:11,071 that their first official portrait was of them 328 00:16:11,138 --> 00:16:14,307 wearing their uniforms made by Dege, Skinner. 329 00:16:15,442 --> 00:16:17,777 When Prince Harry married, we were approached 330 00:16:17,844 --> 00:16:20,513 and asked if we would make the frock-coat 331 00:16:20,580 --> 00:16:22,849 uniform for the Blues and Royals, 332 00:16:22,915 --> 00:16:24,717 which was his mother regiment. 333 00:16:24,784 --> 00:16:26,519 Other than the people that were measuring 334 00:16:26,586 --> 00:16:29,022 and doing the fitting, no one actually knew 335 00:16:29,089 --> 00:16:30,523 who we were making it for. 336 00:16:32,525 --> 00:16:34,894 We're going to be making you a sports coat, 337 00:16:34,961 --> 00:16:36,763 but a sports coat with a difference. 338 00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:40,667 This jacket here is what we call the Bentley coat. 339 00:16:41,168 --> 00:16:45,305 We've utilised the Bentley stitching that is seen 340 00:16:45,372 --> 00:16:47,574 on every car steering wheel. 341 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,711 And I understand that it takes 50 man hours to make 342 00:16:51,778 --> 00:16:53,313 a Bentley steering wheel. 343 00:16:53,646 --> 00:16:55,715 Which is, funnily enough, the same period 344 00:16:55,782 --> 00:16:58,218 of time it takes us to make a two piece suit, 345 00:16:58,685 --> 00:17:00,287 50 to 60 man hours. 346 00:17:00,887 --> 00:17:06,093 The buttons are an engraved Bentley wheel nut that would 347 00:17:06,159 --> 00:17:07,960 have been on all the original Bentley's. 348 00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:09,462 Get the rubber hammer out, 349 00:17:09,529 --> 00:17:11,631 bang it, untwist it, wheel comes off. 350 00:17:11,698 --> 00:17:13,233 Bit like Formula One, 351 00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:15,868 but not as quick as Formula One these days. 352 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:24,043 ♪♪♪ 353 00:17:27,347 --> 00:17:31,251 My full name is Adrian Bailie Nottage Palmer 354 00:17:31,318 --> 00:17:33,986 and I am the 4th Baron of Reading. 355 00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:35,822 And I'm terribly fortunate 356 00:17:36,289 --> 00:17:39,559 that I am able to wear quite a lot of my father's clothes 357 00:17:39,626 --> 00:17:41,861 and indeed my grandfather's clothes. 358 00:17:41,928 --> 00:17:44,197 When I got married, I actually wore 359 00:17:44,264 --> 00:17:46,133 my grandfather's tailcoat, which was made 360 00:17:46,199 --> 00:17:48,535 in Savile Row in 1921. 361 00:17:49,969 --> 00:17:53,240 Huntley, Palmers was founded by Thomas Huntley. 362 00:17:53,306 --> 00:17:56,943 The Palmers and the Huntleys were in fact related 363 00:17:57,610 --> 00:18:00,947 and as things took off, he wrote to his cousin 364 00:18:01,013 --> 00:18:03,015 and said, "Will you come and join me?" 365 00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:05,818 Huntley, Palmers had a Royal Warrant 366 00:18:05,885 --> 00:18:09,956 from every royal family in the world. 367 00:18:10,523 --> 00:18:12,225 Beat that. 368 00:18:12,292 --> 00:18:14,727 I was the last member of the family to do 369 00:18:14,794 --> 00:18:16,896 what they called a really old fashioned 370 00:18:16,963 --> 00:18:19,332 apprenticeship and I always remember when I went 371 00:18:19,399 --> 00:18:21,801 to the Huntley, Palmer factory in Huyton, 372 00:18:21,868 --> 00:18:25,004 they didn't like the idea of the boss's son coming up here. 373 00:18:25,071 --> 00:18:28,475 And my first job was to get all the chewing gum off 374 00:18:28,541 --> 00:18:30,377 the floor of the lady's loo. 375 00:18:30,443 --> 00:18:32,912 I swear to this day that that lavatory 376 00:18:32,979 --> 00:18:34,647 had never been so clean. 377 00:18:34,714 --> 00:18:36,449 They thought I would last about 5 minutes, 378 00:18:36,516 --> 00:18:38,851 whereas in fact it took me about 5 hours to do. 379 00:18:40,086 --> 00:18:43,690 I think I'm very fortunate because I've had my biscuit 380 00:18:43,756 --> 00:18:46,859 life and then I've had my farming life. 381 00:18:46,926 --> 00:18:50,630 I was 39 when I inherited the title from my uncle. 382 00:18:50,697 --> 00:18:53,132 I always slightly assumed that I would have inherited 383 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,471 the title from my father, but sadly he died before he was 71. 384 00:19:01,441 --> 00:19:04,544 I nearly always actually have a bite to eat at lunch time 385 00:19:04,611 --> 00:19:07,647 in the staff restaurant where the food is frightfully good 386 00:19:07,714 --> 00:19:09,982 and quite a bit cheaper than upstairs. 387 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:21,328 Do you think the House of Lords 388 00:19:21,394 --> 00:19:22,794 - should be abolished? - Definitely. 389 00:19:23,330 --> 00:19:25,765 The House of Commons, I think, is the most incredible 390 00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:27,434 institution on the planet. 391 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:29,068 The Lords... 392 00:19:29,536 --> 00:19:33,139 Anything hereditary without actually doing it yourself 393 00:19:33,206 --> 00:19:35,608 and achieving it yourself shouldn't be around. 394 00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:38,678 I don't see why, you know, you should get there through birth. 395 00:19:38,745 --> 00:19:40,112 I think that's just ridiculous. 396 00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:42,081 It's a bit outdated, if you will. 397 00:19:42,148 --> 00:19:44,584 So I've heard the House of Lords be called 398 00:19:44,651 --> 00:19:47,086 the most expensive daycare facility 399 00:19:47,153 --> 00:19:49,622 for the elderly, with their subsidised meals 400 00:19:49,689 --> 00:19:50,990 paid by the taxpayer. 401 00:19:51,057 --> 00:19:52,625 But that's all okay, I mean, 402 00:19:52,692 --> 00:19:54,227 we have the House of Commons, right? 403 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:58,341 I thought we were just going to talk about some gardens here. 404 00:19:58,365 --> 00:19:59,866 I haven't studied it in great depth, 405 00:19:59,932 --> 00:20:01,634 to be honest, but it probably could 406 00:20:01,701 --> 00:20:03,236 do with a bit of modernisation. 407 00:20:03,570 --> 00:20:06,706 But I quite like the décor, so don't modernize that. 408 00:20:08,708 --> 00:20:10,710 I'm quite keen on the House of Lords. 409 00:20:10,777 --> 00:20:13,746 People want to abolish it, but basically it could be renamed 410 00:20:13,813 --> 00:20:15,448 a House of Experts. 411 00:20:15,515 --> 00:20:18,117 Somebody once said to my children's mother 412 00:20:18,184 --> 00:20:21,954 that I speak on every subject. That is not true. 413 00:20:22,021 --> 00:20:26,793 If, for example, there was a big division on a health bill 414 00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:31,063 amendment, I probably wouldn't vote unless I'd spoken 415 00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:34,867 to somebody who had health knowledge. 416 00:20:35,935 --> 00:20:37,804 In the 30 years that you've been here, 417 00:20:37,870 --> 00:20:39,806 what are you most proud of? 418 00:20:39,872 --> 00:20:43,109 Being able to participate, particularly on amendments 419 00:20:43,175 --> 00:20:47,046 to various bills, being able to change the course of history. 420 00:20:48,247 --> 00:20:52,051 I think you famously described Manderston, your home, 421 00:20:52,118 --> 00:20:55,187 as it has 109 rooms, but how many rooms too many? 422 00:20:55,254 --> 00:20:56,489 A hundred. 423 00:20:56,556 --> 00:20:58,558 Yes, so funny. 424 00:20:59,692 --> 00:21:03,162 First thing you get given when you come here is a clothes peg 425 00:21:03,229 --> 00:21:06,966 and then, if we're lucky, a locker and then even luckier 426 00:21:07,033 --> 00:21:08,868 still, a desk and I've actually kept 427 00:21:08,935 --> 00:21:13,105 my great-grandfather's nameplate, 428 00:21:13,506 --> 00:21:14,707 which I'm very proud of. 429 00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:19,679 This is a World Heritage site, 430 00:21:19,746 --> 00:21:23,483 this is an important building, this is a working museum. 431 00:21:23,550 --> 00:21:25,785 It is the people's parliament. 432 00:21:25,852 --> 00:21:28,555 It is for the future of this country. 433 00:21:28,621 --> 00:21:30,523 And I believe in this building. 434 00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:33,726 I believe in the fabric of this building and I believe 435 00:21:33,793 --> 00:21:36,929 in democracy and this is the home of democracy. 436 00:21:38,297 --> 00:21:39,932 Which is the Commons, which is the Lords? 437 00:21:39,999 --> 00:21:42,034 Well, the good thing is we always know, 438 00:21:42,101 --> 00:21:44,537 if you're at this end of the building, everything's green. 439 00:21:44,604 --> 00:21:46,506 If you go to the other end, it's red. 440 00:21:46,573 --> 00:21:49,275 So we have that bit in the middle of no man's land. 441 00:21:50,343 --> 00:21:52,545 Do I look in envy to the Lords? 442 00:21:52,612 --> 00:21:54,581 I've got to say, it might be a little bit grander. 443 00:21:54,647 --> 00:21:57,650 It might have a little bit more gold gilding than we have. 444 00:21:57,717 --> 00:22:00,487 But the reality is, we are the elected House, 445 00:22:00,553 --> 00:22:02,889 we are the democratic House. 446 00:22:02,955 --> 00:22:06,693 This is supremacy when it comes between the two Houses. 447 00:22:07,694 --> 00:22:10,296 Democracy's never perfect, we will all find fault, 448 00:22:10,363 --> 00:22:12,999 but if you're going to find one democracy that people want 449 00:22:13,065 --> 00:22:17,504 to copy, it's this one and can I stand by what I represent here? 450 00:22:17,570 --> 00:22:19,205 Absolutely. 451 00:22:19,271 --> 00:22:22,041 Am I proud of the Westminster democracy? 452 00:22:22,108 --> 00:22:25,945 Yes, of course and I'm so pleased there are 453 00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:28,214 so many parliaments around the world 454 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,350 that's based on this democracy. 455 00:22:31,418 --> 00:22:34,621 And that matters to me and it matters the role 456 00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:36,288 that we played around the world 457 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:38,658 in ensuring democracy comes first. 458 00:22:38,891 --> 00:22:42,495 The Westminster model, I think by far, yes, 459 00:22:42,562 --> 00:22:45,297 I'm going to say, it's the best model that we've got. 460 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:50,302 Part of my family, is not only my wife, daughter 461 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:53,473 and the grandchildren, but it's also the pets, isn't it? 462 00:22:53,540 --> 00:22:56,443 You know, Boris the parrot thinks he's a politician. 463 00:22:56,509 --> 00:22:58,110 He loves coming to Parliament. 464 00:22:58,177 --> 00:23:00,279 He shouts, "Order, order, lock the doors." 465 00:23:00,346 --> 00:23:02,381 Betty, a Patterdale Terrier, 466 00:23:02,449 --> 00:23:05,284 who wants to keep charge of everything and of course, 467 00:23:05,351 --> 00:23:07,591 I've got Maggie the tortoise and why's she called Maggie? 468 00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:10,523 She's not for turning and she's got a hard shell. 469 00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:11,958 So of course as you realize, 470 00:23:12,024 --> 00:23:14,427 all the pets are named after politicians. 471 00:23:14,494 --> 00:23:16,463 They all are part of the family, 472 00:23:16,529 --> 00:23:19,398 they play the role and quite rightly, 473 00:23:19,466 --> 00:23:21,434 they don't miss out either. 474 00:23:26,338 --> 00:23:29,676 I've always thought that I had the great 475 00:23:29,742 --> 00:23:34,681 advantage of growing up as a teenager in the 1960s. 476 00:23:34,747 --> 00:23:38,918 I came out of that period wanting to change the world. 477 00:23:39,852 --> 00:23:45,625 And I decided that democracy was the way to achieve change. 478 00:23:47,226 --> 00:23:50,362 I wanted to come to Cambridge, so I applied. 479 00:23:50,429 --> 00:23:55,535 I was absolutely terrified. I did a terrible interview, 480 00:23:55,602 --> 00:23:59,405 but remarkably, Pembroke College gave me a place. 481 00:24:01,674 --> 00:24:06,846 Spending a really wonderful period of time here, 482 00:24:06,913 --> 00:24:09,916 burying myself in English literature 483 00:24:09,982 --> 00:24:14,386 was not just a treat, but it was a rather 484 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,188 wonderful preparation for life. 485 00:24:19,025 --> 00:24:21,694 One of the things that inspired me 486 00:24:21,761 --> 00:24:26,265 in Cambridge was a supervision with one of the Fellows. 487 00:24:26,332 --> 00:24:29,235 We had written essays, they weren't terribly good essays. 488 00:24:29,301 --> 00:24:33,405 He said, "Let me tell you what Wordsworth and Coleridge 489 00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:35,107 were really all about." 490 00:24:35,441 --> 00:24:39,679 And for the next 2 hours, he paced up and down, 491 00:24:39,746 --> 00:24:41,213 pulled books out of the bookcase 492 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,782 and read quotations at us. 493 00:24:42,849 --> 00:24:47,353 He conjured up a whole world for us. 494 00:24:47,419 --> 00:24:51,524 And that is the power of a good supervision. 495 00:24:51,591 --> 00:24:55,595 It can inspire, it can fire your imagination, 496 00:24:55,662 --> 00:24:59,699 it can fire your passion. That transference 497 00:24:59,766 --> 00:25:05,504 of enthusiasm and inspiration is what Cambridge teaching, 498 00:25:05,572 --> 00:25:08,775 at its very best, is all about. 499 00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:12,879 It's no accident that Cambridge has produced 500 00:25:12,945 --> 00:25:17,283 over 100 Nobel Prize winners because of the quality 501 00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:18,985 of intellectual attainment, 502 00:25:19,051 --> 00:25:22,388 the depth of research, the quality of teaching. 503 00:25:22,454 --> 00:25:26,693 If we lost that, we would be diminished terribly. 504 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:31,564 The ability to offer to the very best and brightest 505 00:25:31,631 --> 00:25:35,134 of our students, here in Britain, 506 00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:37,837 an opportunity to flourish and to shine. 507 00:25:40,807 --> 00:25:43,275 I was at Cambridge on a scholarship, 508 00:25:43,342 --> 00:25:45,244 so I didn't get there through privilege. 509 00:25:45,311 --> 00:25:47,246 But once you're there, you realise that you're 510 00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:50,449 part of a great deal of historical privilege. 511 00:25:50,516 --> 00:25:53,252 If I hadn't been to Cambridge, perhaps I wouldn't have been 512 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:55,755 invited to go to the Royal Shakespeare Company 513 00:25:55,822 --> 00:25:58,190 by these Cambridge people who were running it. 514 00:25:58,758 --> 00:26:00,727 I went for the interview and I didn't get in. 515 00:26:01,093 --> 00:26:03,029 And I think they saw that I wasn't properly posh. 516 00:26:03,095 --> 00:26:05,364 That's why. And I was just talking a lot. 517 00:26:05,431 --> 00:26:07,566 And I think they were like, "Oh, please." 518 00:26:07,634 --> 00:26:09,144 I'm not bitter, though. I'm definitely not bitter 519 00:26:09,168 --> 00:26:10,448 about it, I never think about it, 520 00:26:10,502 --> 00:26:11,704 even though it's 20 years ago. 521 00:26:12,538 --> 00:26:16,008 My experience of Cambridge was that I flourished 522 00:26:16,075 --> 00:26:17,476 because I went there to work. 523 00:26:18,277 --> 00:26:19,646 I loved it. 524 00:26:19,712 --> 00:26:21,447 It was very high pressure. 525 00:26:21,513 --> 00:26:24,917 Now, a lot of students couldn't take the pressure, 526 00:26:24,984 --> 00:26:26,352 wouldn't enjoy the pressure, 527 00:26:26,418 --> 00:26:27,720 would hate the pressure. 528 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,157 I'm Callum Sullivan and I recently graduated 529 00:26:31,223 --> 00:26:33,059 with a degree in music. 530 00:26:33,125 --> 00:26:35,361 I captained my Cambridge crew in the Boat Race 531 00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:37,063 against Oxford to victory. 532 00:26:37,496 --> 00:26:40,099 When I really decided I wanted to apply to Cambridge 533 00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:42,034 and put in the work that meant I could 534 00:26:42,101 --> 00:26:44,570 get there was actually probably watching a Boat Race. 535 00:26:45,071 --> 00:26:47,239 I realised at that point that this was an event 536 00:26:47,306 --> 00:26:48,708 that was really special 537 00:26:48,775 --> 00:26:50,677 and that I actually had the capacity 538 00:26:50,743 --> 00:26:53,179 to possibly be in this environment. 539 00:26:53,245 --> 00:26:54,546 Best decision I ever made. 540 00:26:55,748 --> 00:26:57,784 Once you're part of this Boat Club, you have to be, 541 00:26:57,850 --> 00:27:00,319 particularly for the six seven months leading up to the race, 542 00:27:00,386 --> 00:27:02,397 totally locked in and making sure that you're getting 543 00:27:02,421 --> 00:27:04,223 as much out of yourself as you can. 544 00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:06,268 And we're all expected to do really well in our studies 545 00:27:06,292 --> 00:27:08,160 as well, so it is a bit of a challenge 546 00:27:08,227 --> 00:27:09,987 and one that's really, really great learning. 547 00:27:10,596 --> 00:27:12,965 We usually end the week on a pretty tough session 548 00:27:13,032 --> 00:27:15,401 on Sundays, earn the day off we tend to say. 549 00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:17,704 Get up a little bit later than usual on Monday mornings, 550 00:27:17,770 --> 00:27:21,107 head to Nanna Mex for a Monday burrito on the student deal. 551 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:25,077 You know, when you're sitting on the start line on race day 552 00:27:25,144 --> 00:27:27,646 and you know that there's something like 6 million 553 00:27:27,714 --> 00:27:29,381 people watching on BBC One 554 00:27:29,448 --> 00:27:31,217 and you know that there's 200,000 people 555 00:27:31,283 --> 00:27:33,119 on the banks of the Thames. 556 00:27:33,185 --> 00:27:34,963 And you're sitting there and you're absolutely trying 557 00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:38,124 to do anything but make a mess of the first stroke 558 00:27:38,190 --> 00:27:40,159 and end up losing your crew the race. 559 00:27:40,226 --> 00:27:41,870 And that's basically all you can think about, otherwise, 560 00:27:41,894 --> 00:27:43,763 you do exactly that. 561 00:27:44,731 --> 00:27:46,866 To hear the roars of the crowds coming through 562 00:27:46,933 --> 00:27:48,534 Hammersmith Bridge, it's a really special 563 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,668 thing to be a part of. 564 00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:52,905 So my first plaque is yet to go up, 565 00:27:52,972 --> 00:27:54,974 it's somewhere in one of the corners of the room. 566 00:27:55,041 --> 00:27:56,375 Oh, there it is. 567 00:27:56,442 --> 00:27:58,044 Yes, that's my plaque there 568 00:27:58,110 --> 00:28:00,112 and I'm right in the middle of the 5-seater. 569 00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:02,514 And I think it's destined for one of these spaces 570 00:28:02,581 --> 00:28:03,916 on the walls up here. 571 00:28:05,985 --> 00:28:08,721 This race has been part of national culture 572 00:28:08,788 --> 00:28:10,489 a little bit for so long. 573 00:28:12,424 --> 00:28:15,061 I thoroughly enjoy the Oxbridge Boat Race. 574 00:28:15,361 --> 00:28:18,030 My number two sister went to Cambridge and Geordie went 575 00:28:18,097 --> 00:28:21,167 to Oxford and my number five sister went to Oxford as well. 576 00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:24,003 So there is this extraordinary rivalry, 577 00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:26,172 light blue and dark blue and obviously as children 578 00:28:26,238 --> 00:28:28,307 we were always very excited if somebody sank, 579 00:28:28,374 --> 00:28:31,210 we were usually waiting for that. 580 00:28:31,811 --> 00:28:34,313 It was the first thing I ever saw on television. 581 00:28:34,881 --> 00:28:37,750 I was walking past a shop front and there was a crowd 582 00:28:37,817 --> 00:28:40,452 looking into the window and I went to join them 583 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:43,990 and on a little screen about that size, 584 00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:46,826 there was some brown, shady image. 585 00:28:48,861 --> 00:28:51,697 And I realised it was moving image, which was happening 586 00:28:51,764 --> 00:28:55,968 at that moment and so that was the first time I saw television. 587 00:28:57,236 --> 00:28:59,806 Oh, well, I've always wanted Cambridge 588 00:28:59,872 --> 00:29:01,352 to win the Boat Race, because my uncle 589 00:29:01,407 --> 00:29:02,674 went to Cambridge. 590 00:29:04,343 --> 00:29:06,112 It's not really a race, is it? 591 00:29:06,178 --> 00:29:09,015 Because it's the same two competing for something 592 00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:11,784 that's largely irrelevant to everybody else. 593 00:29:25,464 --> 00:29:27,333 Cricket originated in England, 594 00:29:27,399 --> 00:29:30,269 originated in the countryside. I can't possibly imagine 595 00:29:30,336 --> 00:29:32,204 what it was like back then, but look at where 596 00:29:32,271 --> 00:29:33,940 we've come to now, so. 597 00:29:35,674 --> 00:29:38,177 Cricket I think is part of tradition and of course 598 00:29:38,244 --> 00:29:40,980 Lord's Cricket Ground is as much about the ceremony 599 00:29:41,047 --> 00:29:42,815 as I guess the game itself. 600 00:29:42,882 --> 00:29:46,052 You've got Lord's Cricket Ground, regarded as the home 601 00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:48,654 of cricket and it's still only colonial countries 602 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,522 who predominantly play cricket, 603 00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:52,424 which says everything about the game. 604 00:29:52,491 --> 00:29:54,193 Cricket is essentially, 605 00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:56,595 a quintessentially English pastime. 606 00:29:56,662 --> 00:30:00,066 There are very few games where you can play for five days, 607 00:30:00,132 --> 00:30:02,869 go home, do anything you like in between, 608 00:30:02,935 --> 00:30:04,971 and at the end of five days, have a draw 609 00:30:05,037 --> 00:30:07,673 and everyone be relatively happy with that result. 610 00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:10,877 I was brought up on cricket because at the end 611 00:30:10,943 --> 00:30:13,279 of our garden in Wigan was the local 612 00:30:13,345 --> 00:30:15,214 cricket club and I watched 613 00:30:15,281 --> 00:30:17,249 their ground through the seasons. 614 00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:20,652 In the winter when it was fallow and snowing, 615 00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:22,721 and then in the spring when the grass 616 00:30:22,788 --> 00:30:25,892 could be cut and the players arrived to practice. 617 00:30:25,958 --> 00:30:28,136 And then at the weekends when they actually played games, 618 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,461 I could watch them. 619 00:30:30,029 --> 00:30:32,598 And I became not a player of cricket, 620 00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:34,500 but I was in the score box marking 621 00:30:34,566 --> 00:30:37,536 the rather complicated way in which 622 00:30:37,603 --> 00:30:39,138 points are scored in cricket. 623 00:30:39,371 --> 00:30:41,307 You go to a cricket match and you don't have 624 00:30:41,373 --> 00:30:43,209 to watch it all the time. 625 00:30:43,275 --> 00:30:45,444 There's plenty of time to have a chat with the person 626 00:30:45,511 --> 00:30:48,247 next door to you, often about cricket. 627 00:30:49,015 --> 00:30:50,616 "Oh, they're starting again." 628 00:30:52,818 --> 00:30:55,487 To think of it as a game in which people win or lose, 629 00:30:55,554 --> 00:30:57,623 no, it's a different sort of game altogether, 630 00:30:57,689 --> 00:30:58,925 it's the game of life. 631 00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:05,231 Okay, in my house, there was no cricket, 632 00:31:05,297 --> 00:31:08,600 there was no rugby, there was no Aussie Rules, 633 00:31:08,667 --> 00:31:10,236 none of that stuff. We all sailed. 634 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,139 I don't know anything about team sports. 635 00:31:13,205 --> 00:31:15,607 Nothing. You're truly asking the wrong Australian. 636 00:31:15,674 --> 00:31:17,634 I can't believe they didn't take away my passport. 637 00:31:17,676 --> 00:31:19,436 But yes, I don't know anything about cricket. 638 00:31:19,678 --> 00:31:20,746 Sorry. 639 00:31:21,447 --> 00:31:23,287 Her Majesty the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh 640 00:31:23,315 --> 00:31:25,317 many times attended test matches, 641 00:31:25,384 --> 00:31:27,519 often meeting the players on the field of play 642 00:31:27,586 --> 00:31:29,321 during the tea interval. 643 00:31:29,388 --> 00:31:31,490 Only on one occasion has the Queen actually stayed 644 00:31:31,557 --> 00:31:33,459 for lunch, however. That was during a test 645 00:31:33,525 --> 00:31:36,162 match against Australia. Her favourite tipple, 646 00:31:36,228 --> 00:31:38,130 Dubonnet, was not present. 647 00:31:38,197 --> 00:31:41,100 So a member of the kitchen staff had to be dispatched 648 00:31:41,167 --> 00:31:42,969 to find an off licence somewhere 649 00:31:43,035 --> 00:31:44,836 in St John's Wood or Maida Vale, 650 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:46,605 which had a bottle of Dubonnet in stock. 651 00:31:46,672 --> 00:31:48,941 And then had to dash back to the ground in time 652 00:31:49,008 --> 00:31:51,944 to serve the Queen her favourite aperitif before lunch. 653 00:31:52,011 --> 00:31:54,413 Just one of the little, extra measures that we take 654 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,948 to ensure our special guests 655 00:31:56,015 --> 00:31:57,549 are well looked after at this ground. 656 00:32:05,257 --> 00:32:07,826 I lived in Bloomsbury for several years 657 00:32:07,893 --> 00:32:11,130 in London and it's an area that's very special to me. 658 00:32:11,197 --> 00:32:12,631 And I think what I love about it, 659 00:32:12,698 --> 00:32:14,200 other than the Dickensian heritage, 660 00:32:14,266 --> 00:32:17,136 is all the little twists and turns 661 00:32:17,203 --> 00:32:19,171 and you stumble upon these small museums 662 00:32:19,238 --> 00:32:21,040 that you may not have known existed. 663 00:32:21,107 --> 00:32:24,043 I particularly love the Sir John Soane's Museum. 664 00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:26,445 And is quite famously said that the British 665 00:32:26,512 --> 00:32:28,247 are such avid collectors. 666 00:32:28,314 --> 00:32:32,318 And there's no better example of a random, delightful, 667 00:32:32,384 --> 00:32:36,955 at times horrifying, collection of antiquities hidden away 668 00:32:37,023 --> 00:32:39,125 on a quiet street in Bloomsbury. 669 00:32:40,026 --> 00:32:41,560 People look at these buildings, 670 00:32:41,627 --> 00:32:44,363 they look at a place like this and they see 671 00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:47,466 something that's really like a fly in amber. 672 00:32:48,434 --> 00:32:50,669 We're in the library dining room 673 00:32:50,736 --> 00:32:52,971 of Sir John Soane's townhouse. 674 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,774 Which became, after his death, his museum. 675 00:32:56,108 --> 00:32:59,578 He was appointed to be the architect of the Bank 676 00:32:59,645 --> 00:33:01,926 of England and that was probably his greatest achievement, 677 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:07,153 and he was awarded a knighthood. He was also fortunate 678 00:33:07,219 --> 00:33:10,322 in marrying an heiress, Eliza Smith. 679 00:33:11,623 --> 00:33:14,360 One of the great tragedies was that only two years 680 00:33:14,426 --> 00:33:17,729 after they moved into the house, Eliza Soane died. 681 00:33:18,530 --> 00:33:24,203 Soane was disconsolate. The tomb he designed 682 00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:25,771 a few months after her death 683 00:33:25,837 --> 00:33:28,840 and it was a remarkable departure 684 00:33:28,907 --> 00:33:30,209 from contemporary tombs. 685 00:33:31,177 --> 00:33:33,312 Giles Gilbert Scott must have looked at it 686 00:33:33,379 --> 00:33:35,047 and being intimate with the house 687 00:33:35,114 --> 00:33:36,782 and the collections, it would have 688 00:33:36,848 --> 00:33:39,885 come to him as an Edicule, which offers shelter 689 00:33:39,951 --> 00:33:41,520 for communication. 690 00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:44,690 Gilbert Scott, who designed the phone box, 691 00:33:44,756 --> 00:33:47,159 he saw this and thought that shape, 692 00:33:47,226 --> 00:33:49,595 and I hope he thought and that love story, 693 00:33:49,661 --> 00:33:51,930 will be just perfect for this new invention 694 00:33:51,997 --> 00:33:53,499 called the phone. 695 00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:56,768 His inspiration was a brilliant bit 696 00:33:56,835 --> 00:33:58,737 of lateral thinking, if you like. 697 00:33:58,804 --> 00:34:01,107 Gilbert Scott wanted it to be silver, 698 00:34:01,173 --> 00:34:05,177 but the Post Office said, "Oh no, budget, budget" 699 00:34:05,244 --> 00:34:07,513 and they said it's going to have to be red. 700 00:34:07,579 --> 00:34:11,817 And now that's an iconic sense of Englishness in this country 701 00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:13,819 and right around the world. 702 00:34:21,727 --> 00:34:23,362 So we're here today at Henry Poole. 703 00:34:23,429 --> 00:34:25,631 At this stage, we've done now the pattern. 704 00:34:25,697 --> 00:34:27,799 We've gone through the detailing with yourself. 705 00:34:27,866 --> 00:34:30,202 Back width is good, shoulder width is good. 706 00:34:30,269 --> 00:34:33,172 At this point, I'd be asking you if there's anything you 707 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,673 don't like, anything you want 708 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:36,408 to change, you know, button heights. 709 00:34:37,843 --> 00:34:40,646 Sleeve length, they're just a little bit short. 710 00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:42,914 So I'm just going to put in a quarter of an inch 711 00:34:42,981 --> 00:34:45,016 on those and then you should show about 712 00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:47,519 a centimetre 3/8 of shirt cuff. 713 00:34:47,586 --> 00:34:48,654 Sure. 714 00:34:49,288 --> 00:34:52,491 I mean, I really like how comfortable it feels 715 00:34:52,558 --> 00:34:54,893 and how light and also I like the color. 716 00:34:55,127 --> 00:34:57,829 Obviously, it's a little bit livelier than a plain navy, 717 00:34:57,896 --> 00:34:59,965 but without being overly flashy, you know, 718 00:35:00,031 --> 00:35:01,633 if you had a real electric blue suit, 719 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,535 then, you know, how many times are 720 00:35:03,602 --> 00:35:05,537 you going to wear it before you get bored 721 00:35:05,604 --> 00:35:08,084 or people say, "Here he comes in his electric blue suit again?" 722 00:35:13,011 --> 00:35:15,647 We have to admire the entrepreneurial spirit 723 00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:19,518 of the original John Lobb, who in 1863 saw the Prince 724 00:35:19,585 --> 00:35:23,422 of Wales in the park and saw that he left a muddy footprint 725 00:35:23,489 --> 00:35:26,024 and then he used that as an imprint to make his first 726 00:35:26,091 --> 00:35:28,527 riding boots, which he'd gifted to the Prince of Wales 727 00:35:28,594 --> 00:35:30,396 before he was King. 728 00:35:30,462 --> 00:35:32,864 That's how the long standing relationship 729 00:35:32,931 --> 00:35:34,566 with this heritage brand, 730 00:35:34,633 --> 00:35:36,868 the Royal Family and of course, the Royal Warrant 731 00:35:36,935 --> 00:35:40,239 that John Lobb has carried for so long, came about. 732 00:35:43,875 --> 00:35:45,844 My great-great-grandfather 733 00:35:45,911 --> 00:35:47,112 founded the firm. 734 00:35:47,579 --> 00:35:49,381 The fact that it's a family run business. 735 00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:51,717 Behind that family run element of it 736 00:35:51,783 --> 00:35:53,952 is the fact that it's an independent business 737 00:35:54,019 --> 00:35:56,922 and I think it is that element of independence, 738 00:35:56,988 --> 00:36:00,058 which is maybe a quintessentially English trait. 739 00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:04,563 In World War II, when my great-uncle had started 740 00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:07,165 running the firm, there was a moment when the bombs 741 00:36:07,233 --> 00:36:09,034 were falling on London. 742 00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,770 One evening he decided that it would be best to have 743 00:36:11,837 --> 00:36:14,540 the lasts move out into the country to keep them safe. 744 00:36:14,906 --> 00:36:16,775 Early the next day, the building was bombed 745 00:36:16,842 --> 00:36:18,109 and it was condemned. 746 00:36:18,677 --> 00:36:21,513 The lasts are very much the lifeblood of the firm. 747 00:36:21,580 --> 00:36:24,383 Keeping those from being burned was a good move. 748 00:36:27,118 --> 00:36:29,388 So those are all old names. 749 00:36:29,455 --> 00:36:31,366 Thing is, we've actually got to the point where lots 750 00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:33,167 of people don't know who these people are anymore. 751 00:36:33,191 --> 00:36:36,061 - Yes. - David Niven, Lord Olivier. 752 00:36:36,127 --> 00:36:39,231 This is Peter O'Toole, Aristotle Onassis. 753 00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:41,667 Sinatra. 754 00:36:42,768 --> 00:36:44,636 - Wow. - Small feet. 755 00:36:44,703 --> 00:36:46,638 Those are well used. We had a lot of work 756 00:36:46,705 --> 00:36:47,806 for him over the years. 757 00:36:49,641 --> 00:36:52,544 Jackie Onassis, she had large feet, 758 00:36:52,611 --> 00:36:54,580 I have to say. 759 00:36:55,013 --> 00:36:57,283 Yes, she was quite tall I think, she was a tall lady. 760 00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:58,550 Yes. 761 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,021 Some people, I have heard, will be asked 762 00:37:03,088 --> 00:37:04,990 to be buried in their shoes. 763 00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:06,868 Obviously, their favourite items that they may have had 764 00:37:06,892 --> 00:37:08,460 during their lives. 765 00:37:08,527 --> 00:37:10,729 Well, they do say you should judge a man by shoes. 766 00:37:12,398 --> 00:37:14,199 Regardless of what he might be wearing. 767 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:16,602 This is what we're faced with, 768 00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:20,306 which is this blue suit which you're having made. 769 00:37:20,372 --> 00:37:22,073 - Yes. - By Simon. 770 00:37:22,841 --> 00:37:24,976 You might prefer something which is a little bit more, 771 00:37:25,043 --> 00:37:26,778 sort of in keeping with the suit. 772 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,349 The one I think that really sort of complemented 773 00:37:30,416 --> 00:37:32,951 what you were wearing was the double-monk shoe, 774 00:37:33,018 --> 00:37:35,387 it's designed as quite a sort of comfortable shoe as well. 775 00:37:36,121 --> 00:37:37,489 Which is good for everyday wear. 776 00:37:46,164 --> 00:37:48,867 British weather is, for me, perfect. 777 00:37:49,901 --> 00:37:51,770 It changes every day. 778 00:37:52,604 --> 00:37:53,805 You never get bored. 779 00:37:54,506 --> 00:37:58,143 It's reliable in its unreliability. 780 00:38:00,979 --> 00:38:03,081 The best cab service in the world 781 00:38:03,148 --> 00:38:05,183 is the London taxi driver, right or wrong? 782 00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:07,218 Definitely, Fred. 783 00:38:07,285 --> 00:38:09,263 Just our origin, it's being going so long, it's an icon. 784 00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:12,223 It's like a red bus or a telephone box. 785 00:38:12,624 --> 00:38:15,327 Come to London, you ride in a black cab. 786 00:38:15,594 --> 00:38:17,863 If I got into the back of your cab and said, 787 00:38:17,929 --> 00:38:19,731 "Take me to the umbrella shop." 788 00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:21,867 We'd take you to James Smith, Sons, 789 00:38:21,933 --> 00:38:24,470 New Oxford St, Bloomsbury. Of course we know it. 790 00:38:24,536 --> 00:38:26,304 Yes. 791 00:38:26,372 --> 00:38:28,374 I suppose rain is quintessentially English, 792 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,343 hence the umbrella has to also be quintessentially English 793 00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:33,011 to protect you from this ghastly weather. 794 00:38:33,078 --> 00:38:34,580 Having said that, today we are blessed 795 00:38:34,646 --> 00:38:36,448 with some beautiful blue skies. 796 00:38:37,416 --> 00:38:39,685 I love it when I see those sort of shops 797 00:38:39,751 --> 00:38:42,421 which do something very particular. 798 00:38:42,488 --> 00:38:46,157 Which are charming, which say something about us 799 00:38:46,224 --> 00:38:48,727 and which I would hate to die out. 800 00:38:48,794 --> 00:38:52,431 That emporium of umbrellas. 801 00:38:52,498 --> 00:38:56,735 It's a mad idea and I'm absolutely delighted 802 00:38:56,802 --> 00:38:58,003 it's still there. 803 00:38:58,704 --> 00:39:00,906 James Smith and Sons have been in business 804 00:39:00,972 --> 00:39:04,576 since 1830 and we're on to the sixth generation. 805 00:39:04,643 --> 00:39:06,612 It's quintessential English, 806 00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:08,680 but it's actually a little bit more than that. 807 00:39:09,648 --> 00:39:12,818 The umbrella was said to have started either in Egypt 808 00:39:12,884 --> 00:39:15,854 or China, and the real pick up with it came 809 00:39:15,921 --> 00:39:17,923 with the invention of steel as part 810 00:39:17,989 --> 00:39:19,791 of the Industrial Revolution. 811 00:39:19,858 --> 00:39:22,561 People had more money, more time to spend on things. 812 00:39:22,628 --> 00:39:26,031 Slowly then, umbrellas became popular in London 813 00:39:26,097 --> 00:39:27,733 as a fashion accessory. 814 00:39:28,133 --> 00:39:30,335 A good umbrella becomes part of you. 815 00:39:30,402 --> 00:39:32,170 It can make you stand up tall, 816 00:39:32,237 --> 00:39:34,840 but it can also make you feel good inside as well. 817 00:39:36,374 --> 00:39:39,144 We've always been taught you must never open 818 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:40,912 your umbrella indoors, you always have 819 00:39:40,979 --> 00:39:42,247 to store it wrapped up. 820 00:39:44,015 --> 00:39:46,618 Part of the folklore, we say, is where that came from 821 00:39:46,685 --> 00:39:49,621 is that the salesmen would tell people that it was bad luck 822 00:39:49,688 --> 00:39:52,424 to leave an umbrella open indoors. 823 00:39:52,491 --> 00:39:55,160 So then they'd be folded up, they'd be wet 824 00:39:55,226 --> 00:39:56,795 and because they were made of silk 825 00:39:56,862 --> 00:39:58,630 in those days, then they would rot 826 00:39:58,697 --> 00:40:01,266 and then they'd come back to buy another umbrella. 827 00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:04,470 You go to James Smith now, they've got an enormous 828 00:40:04,536 --> 00:40:07,439 horseshoe saying, "Don't worry, it's not bad luck. 829 00:40:07,506 --> 00:40:09,374 You can do what you like with your umbrella. 830 00:40:09,441 --> 00:40:12,110 This horseshoe will protect you." Honestly. 831 00:40:13,879 --> 00:40:16,448 There's a secret part in every Englishman which wants 832 00:40:16,515 --> 00:40:18,316 to be The Gentleman Spy. 833 00:40:18,383 --> 00:40:20,586 The immaculately tailored Savile Row suit, 834 00:40:20,652 --> 00:40:22,854 the rolled up umbrella. It's as deeply rooted 835 00:40:22,921 --> 00:40:25,557 in English culture these days, as cricket is. 836 00:40:28,059 --> 00:40:31,196 If you've got the money and if you've got the inclination 837 00:40:31,262 --> 00:40:35,200 to have someone look after you, to treat you, to pamper you, 838 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:37,302 go to somewhere like Trumper's. 839 00:40:37,368 --> 00:40:41,306 They may even give you the cologne that James Bond wore. 840 00:40:42,407 --> 00:40:45,010 We're at Geo. F. Trumper. 841 00:40:45,076 --> 00:40:48,780 It's a flagship store, this has been here 100 years. 842 00:40:48,847 --> 00:40:50,882 Open the door in the morning and your body 843 00:40:50,949 --> 00:40:52,651 gets the goose bumps going. 844 00:40:52,718 --> 00:40:54,986 We always give accessories 845 00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:56,822 to the James Bond films. 846 00:40:56,888 --> 00:40:59,124 You could miss it if you didn't know what you were 847 00:40:59,190 --> 00:41:00,358 looking at in the bathroom, 848 00:41:00,425 --> 00:41:01,993 but we usually spot them. 849 00:41:02,994 --> 00:41:04,429 People trust us. 850 00:41:04,496 --> 00:41:06,031 All the famous people that come to us 851 00:41:06,097 --> 00:41:07,999 trust that we'll never mention who they are. 852 00:41:08,066 --> 00:41:10,268 We never phone magazines or newspapers when they arrive. 853 00:41:10,335 --> 00:41:12,337 They come in, feel very relaxed, 854 00:41:12,403 --> 00:41:14,940 as if nobody's recognized them. 855 00:41:15,006 --> 00:41:16,307 Ian McKellen? 856 00:41:16,842 --> 00:41:17,943 Yes. 857 00:41:18,977 --> 00:41:20,646 Oh, I have been there once. 858 00:41:21,613 --> 00:41:22,981 Yes, to get a shave. 859 00:41:23,949 --> 00:41:25,183 Yes, it was very good. 860 00:41:25,817 --> 00:41:27,686 So even the current Prime Minister 861 00:41:27,753 --> 00:41:30,722 was a customer of our other branch in St James'. 862 00:41:30,789 --> 00:41:32,558 We actually don't do his hair anymore, 863 00:41:32,624 --> 00:41:34,860 which is probably noticeable by the haircuts. 864 00:41:35,894 --> 00:41:37,696 What, he pays to get that haircut? 865 00:41:37,763 --> 00:41:39,197 I just assumed his mum did it. 866 00:41:39,264 --> 00:41:40,632 That's ridiculous. 867 00:41:49,608 --> 00:41:53,278 I love looking at gardens, sitting in gardens, 868 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:54,713 walking through gardens. 869 00:41:55,413 --> 00:41:57,983 I am hopeless at being a gardener. 870 00:41:58,817 --> 00:42:00,619 Sir Edmund Loder that classic example 871 00:42:00,686 --> 00:42:02,287 of an English eccentric, 872 00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:03,855 having that sort of passion that drive 873 00:42:03,922 --> 00:42:06,224 to build a garden on such a grand scale, 874 00:42:06,291 --> 00:42:08,860 a great deal of it by his own hand. 875 00:42:10,061 --> 00:42:11,930 Leonardslee's often referred to as one 876 00:42:11,997 --> 00:42:14,332 of the most important woodland gardens in England. 877 00:42:14,866 --> 00:42:16,902 A lot of the English garden design was taking 878 00:42:16,968 --> 00:42:18,770 influence from Europe. 879 00:42:18,837 --> 00:42:20,748 After the English landscape movement and the woodland 880 00:42:20,772 --> 00:42:22,774 garden explosion, suddenly English gardens 881 00:42:22,841 --> 00:42:24,042 were influencing Europe. 882 00:42:24,676 --> 00:42:26,453 And apparently Hitler had his eye on Leonardslee 883 00:42:26,477 --> 00:42:28,413 as his new home. 884 00:42:28,479 --> 00:42:30,599 The great English film Black Narcissus was shot here. 885 00:42:30,649 --> 00:42:33,619 Sir Edmund created a landscape which could pass 886 00:42:33,685 --> 00:42:35,120 for the Himalayas, certainly 887 00:42:35,186 --> 00:42:36,822 with the rhododendrons and azaleas. 888 00:42:36,888 --> 00:42:38,857 It's a place to get lost in, a place to wander 889 00:42:38,924 --> 00:42:40,604 and every day it's a privilege and an honor 890 00:42:40,659 --> 00:42:42,661 to come in and work in this classic example 891 00:42:42,728 --> 00:42:43,962 of an English woodland garden. 892 00:42:46,197 --> 00:42:47,766 One of the definitions 893 00:42:47,833 --> 00:42:50,101 of Britishness is a love of gardens. 894 00:42:50,168 --> 00:42:53,571 So even if you're living on the fifth floor of a high rise 895 00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:55,273 and if you have a little balcony outside, 896 00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:57,475 it's full of pots with things growing in it. 897 00:42:57,542 --> 00:42:58,977 It's extraordinary. 898 00:42:59,044 --> 00:43:00,779 The British love gardening. 899 00:43:00,846 --> 00:43:03,448 The English are obsessed with gardens and that probably 900 00:43:03,514 --> 00:43:06,284 culminates with the Chelsea Flower Show every year. 901 00:43:06,351 --> 00:43:09,387 It brings a real mix of different types 902 00:43:09,454 --> 00:43:11,790 of design in one location for people 903 00:43:11,857 --> 00:43:13,817 to just get inspiration from for their own gardens 904 00:43:13,859 --> 00:43:15,961 and for their own houses even as well. 905 00:43:16,027 --> 00:43:18,529 This is essentially like, I suppose, the Champions League 906 00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:20,832 of gardening that I'm visiting today, I think, 907 00:43:20,899 --> 00:43:22,634 and having had a little walk around, 908 00:43:22,701 --> 00:43:24,670 I'm definitely getting that sense. 909 00:43:24,736 --> 00:43:27,216 This is fantastic, I mean it's if you like, in our back garden. 910 00:43:28,606 --> 00:43:31,142 Chelsea is the quintessential British occasion. 911 00:43:31,209 --> 00:43:32,978 It is. One of them. 912 00:43:33,444 --> 00:43:34,880 What is so quintessentially British 913 00:43:34,946 --> 00:43:36,782 about the Chelsea Flower Show? 914 00:43:36,848 --> 00:43:38,425 That we're here in this weather with no coats 915 00:43:38,449 --> 00:43:40,251 and with nothing else on. 916 00:43:40,318 --> 00:43:41,853 And it's fun, and it's fun. 917 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,822 You get the chance to put a pretty frock on 918 00:43:43,889 --> 00:43:46,091 and you see beautiful things and chat to lovely people. 919 00:43:46,157 --> 00:43:48,426 And we are a Royal Borough, because Queen Victoria, 920 00:43:48,493 --> 00:43:50,528 on her deathbed, decreed that the borough 921 00:43:50,595 --> 00:43:52,664 she was born in should become a Royal Borough. 922 00:43:52,731 --> 00:43:55,009 So that's why we're the Royal Borough of Kensington, Chelsea. 923 00:43:55,033 --> 00:43:56,510 And later on this afternoon, we'll be welcoming 924 00:43:56,534 --> 00:43:58,169 some of the Royal Family, 925 00:43:58,236 --> 00:44:00,038 some of the people that live in our boroughs. 926 00:44:00,105 --> 00:44:03,074 So it all comes together on our RHS Chelsea Flower Show. 927 00:44:03,141 --> 00:44:10,015 ♪♪♪ 928 00:44:15,921 --> 00:44:19,224 It's truly brilliant just to meet a fellow queen. 929 00:44:19,290 --> 00:44:22,861 Especially today, where it is the art form of gardening 930 00:44:22,928 --> 00:44:24,362 at the Chelsea Flower Show. 931 00:44:24,429 --> 00:44:26,064 And the art form of drag. 932 00:44:26,131 --> 00:44:30,068 And just a gorgeous British icon, as well. 933 00:44:30,135 --> 00:44:31,669 Absolutely. Here here. 934 00:44:31,737 --> 00:44:33,972 What a pleasure it is to meet Judi Dench. 935 00:44:35,173 --> 00:44:36,842 Thank you. 936 00:44:36,908 --> 00:44:38,877 Is it really bad as well that I really just wanted 937 00:44:38,944 --> 00:44:40,584 to joke and be like, "It's such a pleasure 938 00:44:40,645 --> 00:44:41,913 to meet Maggie Smith." 939 00:44:42,848 --> 00:44:45,717 But no, it truly is a pleasure to meet you, honestly. 940 00:44:45,784 --> 00:44:47,618 And you, you look beautiful. 941 00:44:47,685 --> 00:44:48,854 Thank you. 942 00:44:52,357 --> 00:44:55,260 I was making handbags in the early seventies 943 00:44:55,326 --> 00:44:59,030 and the opportunity came to buy Launer. 944 00:44:59,097 --> 00:45:01,900 When I bought the company, it had the Royal Warrant, 945 00:45:01,967 --> 00:45:03,969 but it'd not been really used. 946 00:45:04,702 --> 00:45:07,038 I obviously wanted to go direct to the palace 947 00:45:07,105 --> 00:45:08,874 and slowly managed to do that. 948 00:45:09,474 --> 00:45:11,777 Oh, the Queen is a delightful person. 949 00:45:12,043 --> 00:45:13,979 Just like the lady next door. 950 00:45:14,045 --> 00:45:17,115 Very interested in what we do, because when she was 951 00:45:17,182 --> 00:45:20,118 in the factory, she spent a good afternoon with us. 952 00:45:21,186 --> 00:45:24,589 It's reported that the Queen has 200 handbags, 953 00:45:24,655 --> 00:45:27,558 predominantly Launer London handbags. 954 00:45:27,625 --> 00:45:30,829 If I was lucky enough to be invited for an audience 955 00:45:30,896 --> 00:45:33,564 with the Queen, I think the most mortifying thing for me 956 00:45:33,631 --> 00:45:35,466 would be if she moved her Launer handbag 957 00:45:35,533 --> 00:45:38,303 from her left to her right arm. 958 00:45:38,369 --> 00:45:41,306 It is suggested that's her indication to the courtiers 959 00:45:41,372 --> 00:45:42,507 to come and rescue her. 960 00:45:43,441 --> 00:45:46,311 The Launer handbag, as well as being a stylish accessory, 961 00:45:46,377 --> 00:45:50,481 has become her escape route in difficult social situations. 962 00:45:50,548 --> 00:45:52,650 It's an understated British way of getting out 963 00:45:52,717 --> 00:45:55,053 of an awkward situation. 964 00:45:56,287 --> 00:45:58,323 We're very lucky to be in The Crown. 965 00:45:58,389 --> 00:46:01,492 The costume designers were interested in coming 966 00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:04,529 to the showroom, because they knew that Mrs. Thatcher 967 00:46:04,595 --> 00:46:07,598 and Her Majesty carried my handbags. 968 00:46:07,665 --> 00:46:11,169 That's very intriguing that two silhouetted, 969 00:46:11,236 --> 00:46:14,639 famous, pair of ladies chose the same handbag brand. 970 00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:17,976 This was the Traviata, which is the Queen's. 971 00:46:18,543 --> 00:46:20,311 I know this is a beautiful white one. 972 00:46:20,378 --> 00:46:24,049 Mrs. Thatcher had the Olympia, which was the nearest 973 00:46:24,115 --> 00:46:27,552 to the bag that she carried when she bought from me. 974 00:46:27,986 --> 00:46:29,254 Both great ladies. 975 00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:35,560 James Purdey & Sons have been making guns 976 00:46:35,626 --> 00:46:37,362 for quite a long time now. 977 00:46:37,428 --> 00:46:39,898 They are probably the finest gunmaker in the world, 978 00:46:39,965 --> 00:46:41,732 as British gunmakers are. 979 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:44,135 These take around about two and a half, three years 980 00:46:44,202 --> 00:46:46,271 to build, so this is a real work of art. 981 00:46:46,337 --> 00:46:48,840 New this would be 100,000 plus. 982 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,118 You will see someone using one of these, 983 00:46:51,142 --> 00:46:52,743 particularly on a day like today, 984 00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:54,512 which is the Glorious Twelfth. 985 00:46:54,579 --> 00:46:56,514 It's probably the most exhilarating sport of all, 986 00:46:56,581 --> 00:46:58,349 bird shooting, I think. 987 00:46:58,416 --> 00:47:00,751 They can beat on the wing at up to 70 miles an hour, 988 00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:02,320 which is a real sport. 989 00:47:02,387 --> 00:47:05,356 Hitting them is quite a feat. 990 00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:08,393 The Royals are traditionally very involved in country sports, 991 00:47:08,459 --> 00:47:10,061 particularly shooting. 992 00:47:10,128 --> 00:47:12,497 They're quite well known to be part of that scene. 993 00:47:12,563 --> 00:47:14,866 That quintessential British scene, yes. 994 00:47:16,968 --> 00:47:18,736 I think I was brought up to think 995 00:47:18,803 --> 00:47:20,171 it was cruel to kill animals. 996 00:47:20,872 --> 00:47:23,541 And the idea of the posh folks going off 997 00:47:23,608 --> 00:47:25,243 and the centre of their activity, 998 00:47:25,310 --> 00:47:27,745 being killing something. 999 00:47:28,179 --> 00:47:30,715 I think you've got to be of a certain frame 1000 00:47:30,781 --> 00:47:32,417 of mind of which I am not. 1001 00:47:33,018 --> 00:47:35,086 I'd much rather they were gathered together, 1002 00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:37,588 the central point of the weekend 1003 00:47:37,655 --> 00:47:40,892 was when they all dressed up and did charades, played charades, 1004 00:47:40,959 --> 00:47:42,527 put on a little pantomime. 1005 00:47:43,995 --> 00:47:45,130 Shooting a bird... 1006 00:47:45,196 --> 00:47:46,364 Aww. 1007 00:47:46,431 --> 00:47:48,299 If that's essentially English, 1008 00:47:48,366 --> 00:47:52,070 it's not an Englishness that I can respond to at all. 1009 00:47:52,137 --> 00:47:54,906 I look at the Glorious Twelfth and think it is a load 1010 00:47:54,973 --> 00:47:57,608 of baloney as far as I'm concerned. 1011 00:47:57,675 --> 00:47:59,277 I'm quite grateful that they're not 1012 00:47:59,344 --> 00:48:01,146 blapping away at the grouse all year long, 1013 00:48:01,212 --> 00:48:05,783 but it's a quite absurd piece of gastronomic elitism. 1014 00:48:05,850 --> 00:48:09,820 I don't know anybody who eats grouse on August the 12th, 1015 00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:12,590 but I'm sure if we went to some of the smart hotels in London, 1016 00:48:12,657 --> 00:48:16,094 they would serve it to me for an astronomical amount of money, 1017 00:48:16,161 --> 00:48:17,996 which I do not wish to pay. 1018 00:48:18,729 --> 00:48:21,199 We're at the Stafford Hotel, and today we're 1019 00:48:21,266 --> 00:48:24,702 in the Game Bird, which is our wonderful signature restaurant. 1020 00:48:25,170 --> 00:48:27,605 This hotel has been here since 1912, 1021 00:48:27,672 --> 00:48:30,575 but Glorious Twelfth goes back to 1853. 1022 00:48:30,942 --> 00:48:33,644 So ever since that day, we've been serving grouse 1023 00:48:33,711 --> 00:48:36,314 on the 12th of August and get excited by it. 1024 00:48:36,381 --> 00:48:38,583 It was shot this morning and is on its way 1025 00:48:38,649 --> 00:48:40,885 from the North Yorkshire Moors. 1026 00:48:43,488 --> 00:48:45,856 It's the Glorious Twelfth, first grouse of the season. 1027 00:48:45,923 --> 00:48:47,392 We have it here at The Stafford. 1028 00:48:48,326 --> 00:48:49,794 It's a very discreet place. 1029 00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:51,462 So we're not about celebrity, 1030 00:48:51,529 --> 00:48:54,065 we're not about royalty, but they all come here. 1031 00:48:54,132 --> 00:48:56,301 Her Majesty, the Queen visits the Stafford. 1032 00:48:56,567 --> 00:48:58,970 The Queen Mother used to visit for afternoon tea weekly 1033 00:48:59,037 --> 00:49:00,738 walking up from Clarence House. 1034 00:49:00,805 --> 00:49:03,241 The cellars served the King of England when he lived 1035 00:49:03,308 --> 00:49:04,542 in St. James's Palace. 1036 00:49:04,609 --> 00:49:06,477 We served the port to the king. 1037 00:49:06,544 --> 00:49:08,413 It is a very special place. 1038 00:49:11,916 --> 00:49:13,384 We're going to be getting through 1039 00:49:13,451 --> 00:49:15,053 what's called the blessing. 1040 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,954 The blessing involves the final fitting. 1041 00:49:17,022 --> 00:49:18,932 We're looking at the small details now and the general 1042 00:49:18,956 --> 00:49:21,892 comfort that we hear from you and how you enjoy the suit. 1043 00:49:21,959 --> 00:49:25,730 Also, we have the extra cloth there, which I must say Frank, 1044 00:49:25,796 --> 00:49:27,698 if any prosperity takes place, 1045 00:49:27,765 --> 00:49:30,268 we can have four inches of extra cloth inside to allow 1046 00:49:30,335 --> 00:49:31,769 that difference in inches. 1047 00:49:31,836 --> 00:49:34,439 So do not haste, we are there for you. 1048 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,142 This is good to go now. 1049 00:49:41,479 --> 00:49:43,314 Of course, in reality, 1050 00:49:43,381 --> 00:49:45,126 I couldn't show you around because it's members only. 1051 00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:46,817 Absolutely. 1052 00:49:47,152 --> 00:49:48,586 We're rule breakers. 1053 00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:53,024 So let me just show you some things here 1054 00:49:53,091 --> 00:49:56,861 in the South Library that are quite interesting. 1055 00:49:57,795 --> 00:50:00,631 This is Faraday's wheelchair. 1056 00:50:00,698 --> 00:50:06,737 Faraday, our great scientist, was also the honorary secretary 1057 00:50:06,804 --> 00:50:10,508 just at the very beginning of the club's history. 1058 00:50:11,342 --> 00:50:13,978 And there we have Dickens' chair. 1059 00:50:14,745 --> 00:50:17,082 And this incredibly tall arrangement, 1060 00:50:17,148 --> 00:50:20,051 with the three tiers, was the cheapest way 1061 00:50:20,118 --> 00:50:23,921 of accommodating this huge number of books in one room. 1062 00:50:24,522 --> 00:50:27,925 The only problem is that a lot of older members who have 1063 00:50:27,992 --> 00:50:30,895 vertigo are terrified of going up there, 1064 00:50:30,961 --> 00:50:33,698 so we send the library staff up to find the books. 1065 00:50:33,998 --> 00:50:35,266 I can well imagine that. 1066 00:50:37,135 --> 00:50:38,403 The Athenaeum does have 1067 00:50:38,469 --> 00:50:39,870 an amazing role of honor. 1068 00:50:40,171 --> 00:50:44,041 Charles Dickens, Charles Darwin, Churchill, 1069 00:50:44,109 --> 00:50:47,512 J.M.W. Turner, who does those wonderful interiors, 1070 00:50:47,812 --> 00:50:49,080 member of the club. 1071 00:50:50,848 --> 00:50:52,250 Wherever you look in a way. 1072 00:50:53,384 --> 00:50:55,286 The clubs went through a very hard time 1073 00:50:55,353 --> 00:50:57,288 in Pall Mall and in St James'. 1074 00:50:57,355 --> 00:50:59,023 And they were out of favor, 1075 00:50:59,090 --> 00:51:01,792 they were old fashioned, they were seen to be a relic 1076 00:51:01,859 --> 00:51:03,461 of the 19th century. 1077 00:51:03,528 --> 00:51:05,830 If you read the novels of Dickens and Thackeray, 1078 00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:08,299 there always seemed to be somebody going off to the club 1079 00:51:08,366 --> 00:51:10,801 and somebody coming back from Parliament to report 1080 00:51:10,868 --> 00:51:12,870 over a nice glass of Port. 1081 00:51:13,338 --> 00:51:15,473 I've been a member of a private members club 1082 00:51:15,540 --> 00:51:16,974 purely and simply because 1083 00:51:17,041 --> 00:51:18,609 I've got it as part of a promotion 1084 00:51:18,676 --> 00:51:20,578 and part of my work and what I was doing. 1085 00:51:20,645 --> 00:51:23,848 But average person, private member's club, is irrelevant. 1086 00:51:23,914 --> 00:51:25,316 That's out of our league. 1087 00:51:25,383 --> 00:51:27,118 - Yeah. - That's out of our league. 1088 00:51:27,185 --> 00:51:29,820 We are just London boys. 1089 00:51:29,887 --> 00:51:32,123 That's another... 1090 00:51:32,190 --> 00:51:33,624 It's another world for us. 1091 00:51:33,691 --> 00:51:34,851 Another world, exactly, yeah. 1092 00:51:34,892 --> 00:51:36,227 But they're lovely places. 1093 00:51:36,294 --> 00:51:38,028 - Apparently. - Yeah. 1094 00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:39,730 We only go to the main door, 1095 00:51:39,797 --> 00:51:41,437 we don't get invited in, we just drop off. 1096 00:51:42,867 --> 00:51:46,671 It's a very useful way of making sure 1097 00:51:46,737 --> 00:51:49,039 that you can meet someone and entertain them 1098 00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:50,775 in the middle of London, 1099 00:51:50,841 --> 00:51:54,712 but I would say it's more a functional thing for me 1100 00:51:54,779 --> 00:51:58,183 than part of my being and identity. 1101 00:51:58,249 --> 00:52:00,718 The only real advantage of a club 1102 00:52:00,785 --> 00:52:02,920 would be that it'd be a place 1103 00:52:02,987 --> 00:52:05,022 where you could go and sit quietly. 1104 00:52:05,089 --> 00:52:07,392 But who might come up to you 1105 00:52:07,458 --> 00:52:10,428 and want to have a good long chat? 1106 00:52:10,495 --> 00:52:12,997 Actors have a number of clubs 1107 00:52:13,063 --> 00:52:14,832 that they could be expected to join. 1108 00:52:14,899 --> 00:52:17,468 The Garrick, but women aren't allowed to be members 1109 00:52:17,535 --> 00:52:18,803 of the Garrick Club. 1110 00:52:18,869 --> 00:52:20,705 Why would I want to go to a club 1111 00:52:20,771 --> 00:52:22,573 that wouldn't have women in it? I don't know. 1112 00:52:23,541 --> 00:52:25,376 The men's clubs, they can go there, 1113 00:52:25,443 --> 00:52:27,745 they can sit, they can talk about racing 1114 00:52:27,812 --> 00:52:29,347 and Backgammon and things 1115 00:52:29,414 --> 00:52:31,549 and I don't necessarily want to do that. 1116 00:52:31,616 --> 00:52:33,251 You also know where they are. 1117 00:52:33,318 --> 00:52:34,752 That's probably quite positive. 1118 00:52:34,819 --> 00:52:36,787 You shouldn't regard them as exclusive, 1119 00:52:36,854 --> 00:52:39,056 just an opportunity to meet other people 1120 00:52:39,123 --> 00:52:41,726 and to widen your own circle of friends 1121 00:52:41,792 --> 00:52:45,230 and the bonhomie and the banter that can arise from it. 1122 00:52:45,296 --> 00:52:46,731 It's fun. 1123 00:52:46,797 --> 00:52:48,366 It's quite British. 1124 00:52:50,235 --> 00:52:52,169 John Wilson Croker, 1125 00:52:52,237 --> 00:52:55,873 he saw that in London, there were lots of political clubs, 1126 00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:58,676 there were lots of what were known as fashionable clubs, 1127 00:52:58,743 --> 00:53:00,778 really, for the aristocracy, if you like. 1128 00:53:00,845 --> 00:53:04,482 But what was needed perhaps was a club for writers 1129 00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:06,917 and artists and scientists, 1130 00:53:06,984 --> 00:53:09,720 which would not be about politics 1131 00:53:09,787 --> 00:53:12,423 and would not be about class. 1132 00:53:12,490 --> 00:53:16,394 The club built this Grecian temple 1133 00:53:16,461 --> 00:53:18,729 and under the auspices of Athena 1134 00:53:18,796 --> 00:53:20,631 and that sense of classical wisdom, 1135 00:53:20,698 --> 00:53:22,533 the scientists, artists, 1136 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,570 writers, judges, cabinet ministers, 1137 00:53:25,636 --> 00:53:30,040 bishops, whatever their views, they could get along together. 1138 00:53:30,107 --> 00:53:34,579 A place at the Athenaeum was like gold. 1139 00:53:34,645 --> 00:53:37,915 This is a very British institution, 1140 00:53:37,982 --> 00:53:39,584 which suits me very well. 1141 00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:41,786 It reflects aspects of Britain 1142 00:53:41,852 --> 00:53:44,322 and its history that I warm to. 1143 00:53:44,389 --> 00:53:48,459 You know, inclusiveness, liberalism and conservatism. 1144 00:53:48,526 --> 00:53:51,228 And one of the things you have to be very careful about here, 1145 00:53:51,296 --> 00:53:54,064 at club table when you don't know whose opposite you, 1146 00:53:54,131 --> 00:53:57,001 is you might be sounding off about some subject 1147 00:53:57,067 --> 00:53:59,236 and you find the person opposite you, 1148 00:53:59,304 --> 00:54:01,839 is the world's leading expert in it. 1149 00:54:01,906 --> 00:54:06,477 So you tend to find people around here are quite cautious 1150 00:54:06,544 --> 00:54:09,947 to check on who's present. 1151 00:54:10,014 --> 00:54:11,716 That's happened to me. 1152 00:54:11,782 --> 00:54:14,051 Terrifying. 1153 00:54:14,118 --> 00:54:17,154 In terms of the membership of this club, 1154 00:54:17,221 --> 00:54:20,190 what I've tracked is the story of Britain, 1155 00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:23,761 because Britain has become much more dominated 1156 00:54:23,828 --> 00:54:27,498 by the middle class than by the upper class. 1157 00:54:27,565 --> 00:54:29,767 You're aware of classes. 1158 00:54:29,834 --> 00:54:33,571 You know Shaw said, "When an Englishman opens his mouth..." 1159 00:54:33,638 --> 00:54:35,840 "people judge him." 1160 00:54:35,906 --> 00:54:38,809 The Americans are quite good at class, actually. 1161 00:54:38,876 --> 00:54:40,845 Particularly among the upper echelons. 1162 00:54:40,911 --> 00:54:43,180 But the British have been very class-conscious 1163 00:54:43,247 --> 00:54:44,815 and some still are. 1164 00:54:44,882 --> 00:54:47,418 But I think there's been a big change there. 1165 00:54:47,485 --> 00:54:49,954 I think there's been a big change there. 1166 00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:53,824 Has the class system changed so sufficiently 1167 00:54:53,891 --> 00:54:55,960 that we're able to move forward? 1168 00:54:56,026 --> 00:55:00,998 It probably has, because probably there's more people 1169 00:55:01,065 --> 00:55:04,268 from various backgrounds making vast amounts of money. 1170 00:55:04,335 --> 00:55:06,003 I suppose that's the new class system 1171 00:55:06,070 --> 00:55:07,605 now in our country, isn't it? 1172 00:55:07,672 --> 00:55:10,007 People who have money. People don't have money. 1173 00:55:18,949 --> 00:55:20,250 Neil. 1174 00:55:21,285 --> 00:55:22,920 How are you? 1175 00:55:22,987 --> 00:55:24,389 Frank, nice to see you again. 1176 00:55:24,455 --> 00:55:26,190 Nice to see you too, absolutely. 1177 00:55:26,256 --> 00:55:27,892 Okay Frank, so here we are, 1178 00:55:27,958 --> 00:55:29,360 all ready for your second fitting. 1179 00:55:29,427 --> 00:55:31,061 You'll see a slight difference 1180 00:55:31,128 --> 00:55:32,697 to when you were last here in so much 1181 00:55:32,763 --> 00:55:34,432 as we've now made the bespoke shoe trees. 1182 00:55:34,499 --> 00:55:37,768 Which my younger brother made in our tree making section. 1183 00:55:37,835 --> 00:55:39,637 He's a fairly new... New character. 1184 00:55:39,704 --> 00:55:41,906 He's only been here 30 years or so, so yes, 1185 00:55:41,972 --> 00:55:43,541 we're still trying to train him. 1186 00:55:43,608 --> 00:55:45,410 He's a lifer, he's a lifer. 1187 00:55:45,476 --> 00:55:48,045 For sure, but most of us are, most of us are so, yes. 1188 00:55:48,112 --> 00:55:50,481 So the trees are also bespoke 1189 00:55:50,548 --> 00:55:52,950 and we're left with this beautifully varnished shoe tree, 1190 00:55:53,017 --> 00:55:55,920 which is an exact replica of your foot also. 1191 00:55:55,986 --> 00:55:58,689 So, it's got the correct width and contours that your foot has, 1192 00:55:58,756 --> 00:56:00,458 so the shoe will never shrink back, 1193 00:56:00,525 --> 00:56:02,793 you'd always maintain that size and shape, 1194 00:56:02,860 --> 00:56:05,930 which is very important for the longevity of the shoe. 1195 00:56:05,996 --> 00:56:08,065 The double monk is a shoe 1196 00:56:08,132 --> 00:56:09,934 that's been part of the firm's history 1197 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,336 since it was created by my grandfather. 1198 00:56:12,403 --> 00:56:14,672 It has a sort of timeless quality to it. 1199 00:56:14,739 --> 00:56:18,075 So you've got the oak bark sole hammered 1200 00:56:18,142 --> 00:56:21,278 and shaped to your last and hand-stitched onto the weld. 1201 00:56:21,345 --> 00:56:23,280 The heel was built up with... 1202 00:56:23,347 --> 00:56:26,050 There's no block heel, this is individual layers of leather. 1203 00:56:26,116 --> 00:56:28,152 Every pair of shoes goes through 1204 00:56:28,218 --> 00:56:29,954 four different craftsman's hands. 1205 00:56:30,020 --> 00:56:31,798 We've got the closer who makes the beautiful uppers, 1206 00:56:31,822 --> 00:56:33,333 the shoemaker who's stitched all the sole 1207 00:56:33,357 --> 00:56:35,059 and the heel together. 1208 00:56:35,125 --> 00:56:36,970 And then the tree makers who make the wooden inserts 1209 00:56:36,994 --> 00:56:38,796 to go in afterwards. 1210 00:56:38,863 --> 00:56:40,474 So all these guys are highly trained, highly skilled. 1211 00:56:40,498 --> 00:56:42,132 It's very much a team collective effort. 1212 00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:43,834 I get to see you and get all praise 1213 00:56:43,901 --> 00:56:45,302 what a beautiful shoe it is, 1214 00:56:45,369 --> 00:56:46,937 so I get the glory when they fit well, 1215 00:56:47,004 --> 00:56:48,338 but by the same token, 1216 00:56:48,405 --> 00:56:49,874 I also get the grief if they don't. 1217 00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:51,542 So I guess it's a double-edged sword. 1218 00:56:53,811 --> 00:56:55,580 I kind of feel like 1219 00:56:55,646 --> 00:56:57,314 I'd want to sleep in them if I could. 1220 00:56:59,416 --> 00:57:03,654 If you're invited to one of our many amazing country houses 1221 00:57:03,721 --> 00:57:06,156 for the weekend, you wouldn't go wrong 1222 00:57:06,223 --> 00:57:07,825 by wearing a Henry Poole suit 1223 00:57:07,892 --> 00:57:10,060 and a John Lobb shoe for your arrival. 1224 00:57:14,431 --> 00:57:17,735 I'm sure you recognize this room. 1225 00:57:17,802 --> 00:57:21,539 Oh wow. I do, the library. 1226 00:57:21,606 --> 00:57:24,274 Well, there are many portraits in it. 1227 00:57:24,341 --> 00:57:27,044 There's one there of the 1st Earl of Carnarvon. 1228 00:57:27,111 --> 00:57:29,547 Obviously, Geordie and I have got to number eight. 1229 00:57:29,614 --> 00:57:32,282 What's quite special about Highclere, 1230 00:57:32,349 --> 00:57:35,452 is there has been an estate here, a home here, 1231 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,722 if you like, for at least 1200 years. 1232 00:57:37,788 --> 00:57:40,891 So one of the most special things about this building, 1233 00:57:40,958 --> 00:57:44,061 heritage, gardens, home is the longevity. 1234 00:57:44,128 --> 00:57:47,197 I think the idea that you have this great perspective 1235 00:57:47,264 --> 00:57:50,034 looking backwards, a sense of an anchor, 1236 00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:53,771 perhaps a sense of reassurance in quite a changeable world. 1237 00:57:53,838 --> 00:57:55,706 We've been here a while. 1238 00:57:55,773 --> 00:57:58,576 In 1922, Lord Carnarvon and Highclere Castle 1239 00:57:58,643 --> 00:58:01,211 were front page news around the world. 1240 00:58:01,278 --> 00:58:05,015 Against all the odds, Lord Carnarvon and Howard Carter, 1241 00:58:05,082 --> 00:58:08,185 two maverick Englishmen, discovered the steps, 1242 00:58:08,252 --> 00:58:11,589 the 22 steps which led down to the Tomb of Tutankhamun. 1243 00:58:11,656 --> 00:58:13,758 That glint of gold. 1244 00:58:13,824 --> 00:58:18,362 That glimpse back into a Pharaonic world 3500 years old, 1245 00:58:18,428 --> 00:58:21,966 captured the whole world's imagination. 1246 00:58:22,032 --> 00:58:26,036 What a story to have at Highclere Castle. 1247 00:58:27,404 --> 00:58:29,439 My father-in-law had always told me the story, 1248 00:58:29,506 --> 00:58:32,376 the end of World War II, he and some of his Army friends 1249 00:58:32,442 --> 00:58:35,680 with Princess Elizabeth and Princess Margaret ran around 1250 00:58:35,746 --> 00:58:37,848 the streets of London and did the conga 1251 00:58:37,915 --> 00:58:41,085 and just celebrated the end of World War II. 1252 00:58:41,151 --> 00:58:43,921 And they were all standing outside the black gates 1253 00:58:43,988 --> 00:58:45,489 of Buckingham Palace. 1254 00:58:45,556 --> 00:58:48,659 My father-in-law with Princess Elizabeth 1255 00:58:48,726 --> 00:58:50,628 and Margaret shouting up to the King and Queen, 1256 00:58:50,695 --> 00:58:52,630 "Long live the King and Queen." 1257 00:58:52,697 --> 00:58:55,065 They'd always remained friends 1258 00:58:55,132 --> 00:58:56,500 and she had a love of racing, 1259 00:58:56,567 --> 00:58:58,202 so he was her racing manager, 1260 00:58:58,268 --> 00:59:01,305 but her racing friend above all. 1261 00:59:02,539 --> 00:59:04,975 Geordie, my husband, and I took over the Castle 1262 00:59:05,042 --> 00:59:07,444 after his father had sadly died. 1263 00:59:07,511 --> 00:59:10,581 His parents had never lived in it. 1264 00:59:10,648 --> 00:59:12,917 It reminds you that a home 1265 00:59:12,983 --> 00:59:15,586 is about welcoming friends to the door. 1266 00:59:15,653 --> 00:59:17,788 Julian and Emma Fellowes were good friends 1267 00:59:17,855 --> 00:59:19,624 and I thought it'd be fun 1268 00:59:19,690 --> 00:59:21,826 and I love putting together weekend house parties, 1269 00:59:21,892 --> 00:59:25,329 it was where this house started in Victorian times. 1270 00:59:25,395 --> 00:59:28,899 So Julian Fellowes said that he wrote Downton 1271 00:59:28,966 --> 00:59:30,935 with Highclere in mind. 1272 00:59:31,001 --> 00:59:33,437 None of us dreamt or guessed how successful 1273 00:59:33,503 --> 00:59:35,305 Downton Abbey would be, 1274 00:59:35,372 --> 00:59:37,675 how we'd all fall in love with the different characters, 1275 00:59:37,742 --> 00:59:40,010 whether it's Bates or Anne or Lady Mary. 1276 00:59:40,077 --> 00:59:43,013 It's really Julian Fellowes' excellent writing 1277 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,484 and I guess the way Maggie Smith delivers all her lines 1278 00:59:47,551 --> 00:59:50,320 so perfectly. 1279 00:59:51,689 --> 00:59:53,490 It's just making people happy. 1280 00:59:53,557 --> 00:59:55,726 That's all Highclere wants to do. 1281 00:59:55,793 --> 00:59:57,962 Hats have almost disappeared. 1282 00:59:58,028 --> 00:59:59,864 Ties have almost disappeared. 1283 00:59:59,930 --> 01:00:02,099 Well, we'll be naked next I should think. 1284 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,171 Lock's dates back to 1676. 1285 01:00:07,237 --> 01:00:09,173 We're the oldest hat shop in the world 1286 01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:11,942 and one of the oldest still family-owned businesses 1287 01:00:12,009 --> 01:00:13,844 in the world as well. 1288 01:00:13,911 --> 01:00:17,014 We originally opened on the other side of the street. 1289 01:00:17,081 --> 01:00:19,650 This is the sunny side of the street. 1290 01:00:19,717 --> 01:00:22,219 You always do more business on the sunny side of the street, 1291 01:00:22,286 --> 01:00:24,121 because that's where people want to walk. 1292 01:00:25,222 --> 01:00:27,157 My great, great, great, 1293 01:00:27,224 --> 01:00:28,859 however many great-grandfathers it is, 1294 01:00:28,926 --> 01:00:30,895 was a gentleman called James Benning 1295 01:00:30,961 --> 01:00:34,665 and he is famous as he is the original Mad Hatter 1296 01:00:34,732 --> 01:00:36,533 that Lewis Carroll based the character on 1297 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,468 in Alice in Wonderland. 1298 01:00:38,535 --> 01:00:42,306 So I am a direct descendant of the original Mad Hatter. 1299 01:00:42,372 --> 01:00:44,408 I'm very proud of that. 1300 01:00:44,474 --> 01:00:47,011 We've got a great connection with James Bond. 1301 01:00:47,077 --> 01:00:49,446 We hatted Sean Connery in the '60s. 1302 01:00:49,513 --> 01:00:52,549 In Dr. No, he famously wore a Trilby. 1303 01:00:52,616 --> 01:00:55,052 In Goldfinger, Oddjob wore a, 1304 01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:58,188 what we call a square crown Coke 1305 01:00:58,255 --> 01:01:00,424 and that was the one with the reinforced brim, 1306 01:01:00,490 --> 01:01:02,592 which he used to throw at his victims 1307 01:01:02,659 --> 01:01:05,329 and sliced their heads off and all sorts. 1308 01:01:05,395 --> 01:01:09,599 Famously, the square crown Coke was also worn 1309 01:01:09,666 --> 01:01:11,235 by Winston Churchill. 1310 01:01:11,301 --> 01:01:13,337 We were very proud that Winston Churchill 1311 01:01:13,403 --> 01:01:14,905 was a big customer of ours, 1312 01:01:14,972 --> 01:01:17,775 before and during and after the war. 1313 01:01:17,842 --> 01:01:21,111 When the war was taking a turn for the worse, 1314 01:01:21,178 --> 01:01:23,147 you'd find that when you look in the ledgers, 1315 01:01:23,213 --> 01:01:26,116 there'd be an insertion for Winston Churchill for a new hat, 1316 01:01:26,183 --> 01:01:28,418 because it was a way of him lifting his spirits 1317 01:01:28,485 --> 01:01:29,987 when the chips were down. 1318 01:01:30,054 --> 01:01:33,057 One of the moments in history 1319 01:01:33,123 --> 01:01:35,559 that my family are very proud of, 1320 01:01:35,625 --> 01:01:38,128 is that my grandfather fitted the crown 1321 01:01:38,195 --> 01:01:39,964 for the Queen's coronation. 1322 01:01:40,030 --> 01:01:42,967 We were commissioned by Garrards, the Queen's jewellers. 1323 01:01:43,033 --> 01:01:47,037 To make a velvet pad that went inside the crown, 1324 01:01:47,104 --> 01:01:48,806 so it would size it down, 1325 01:01:48,873 --> 01:01:52,276 so it would fit the Queen on her coronation day. 1326 01:01:52,342 --> 01:01:54,945 So we use a machine called a conformateur, 1327 01:01:55,012 --> 01:01:57,681 a French invention, dates back to 1849 1328 01:01:57,748 --> 01:02:00,617 and we still use the same machine today. 1329 01:02:00,684 --> 01:02:02,953 We haven't found a better way of doing it. 1330 01:02:03,020 --> 01:02:05,389 Looks like an instrument of torture. 1331 01:02:05,455 --> 01:02:08,325 I think someone described it as quite steampunk 1332 01:02:08,392 --> 01:02:10,127 and I quite like that. 1333 01:02:10,194 --> 01:02:12,462 Right, okay, so if you look straight ahead for me. 1334 01:02:12,529 --> 01:02:16,400 Plonk the old girl on, get it centred for you 1335 01:02:16,466 --> 01:02:18,335 and then just pushes down. 1336 01:02:18,402 --> 01:02:21,338 Looks like it should hurt, but it doesn't hurt at all. 1337 01:02:21,405 --> 01:02:23,808 And then we just give that a squeeze. 1338 01:02:26,410 --> 01:02:28,846 There we go, lift that off. 1339 01:02:28,913 --> 01:02:30,714 It's little bit of an old girl, 1340 01:02:30,781 --> 01:02:33,117 so we have to give it a little bit of gentle persuasion. 1341 01:02:33,183 --> 01:02:39,156 And then hopefully, there's an imprint of your head shape. 1342 01:02:39,223 --> 01:02:40,958 There you go, sir. 1343 01:02:41,025 --> 01:02:43,260 That is amazing and it's an exotic looking egg. 1344 01:02:43,327 --> 01:02:44,761 Yes, yes. 1345 01:02:46,864 --> 01:02:50,968 What I love is when I get a customer coming in here, 1346 01:02:51,035 --> 01:02:53,537 a young guy comes in and says, 1347 01:02:53,603 --> 01:02:55,739 "I've always wanted a Lock hat 1348 01:02:55,806 --> 01:02:58,575 "because my grandfather wore one." 1349 01:03:02,947 --> 01:03:07,885 ♪♪♪ 1350 01:03:32,176 --> 01:03:38,648 ♪♪♪ 1351 01:04:08,712 --> 01:04:13,683 ♪♪♪ 1352 01:04:27,297 --> 01:04:28,765 Frank, you've been very patient 1353 01:04:28,832 --> 01:04:30,734 for the various visits to here 1354 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,072 and today's visit is to see the outfit completed now. 1355 01:04:35,139 --> 01:04:39,109 I am very, very pleased as how it's turned out. 1356 01:04:53,723 --> 01:04:56,526 My son being a racehorse trainer... 1357 01:04:56,593 --> 01:05:00,364 I mean, he's had as many as over 100 horses in training 1358 01:05:00,430 --> 01:05:04,201 at any one time and quite how he manages 1359 01:05:04,268 --> 01:05:06,803 to know which horse to run, in which race, 1360 01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:09,039 in which country, I don't know. 1361 01:05:09,106 --> 01:05:13,143 And of course, a lot of staff here follow Hugo. 1362 01:05:13,210 --> 01:05:15,745 Quite often. I'm stopped in the passage and they go, 1363 01:05:15,812 --> 01:05:18,148 "Hello, my Lord, I'm 100 pounds better off 1364 01:05:18,215 --> 01:05:21,251 than when I last saw you." 1365 01:05:21,318 --> 01:05:24,154 won by the favourite, Chauncery House! 1366 01:05:24,221 --> 01:05:26,090 Trained by Nicky Henderson. 1367 01:05:26,156 --> 01:05:27,958 Ridden by Nico De Boinville. 1368 01:05:28,025 --> 01:05:30,227 We're here at Sandown Park, 1369 01:05:30,294 --> 01:05:32,662 a quintessential British racecourse. 1370 01:05:32,729 --> 01:05:34,698 We try and come as much as we can, 1371 01:05:34,764 --> 01:05:37,001 we absolutely love horses. 1372 01:05:37,067 --> 01:05:39,003 We have a share in a couple of horses as well, 1373 01:05:39,069 --> 01:05:40,389 so it's our favourite place to be. 1374 01:05:40,437 --> 01:05:42,206 Yeah. 1375 01:05:42,272 --> 01:05:44,250 Sandown Park has always been a favourite racecourse 1376 01:05:44,274 --> 01:05:45,709 of the Royal Family. 1377 01:05:45,775 --> 01:05:47,611 Indeed, the Queen Mother used to say 1378 01:05:47,677 --> 01:05:49,213 it was her favourite racecourse. 1379 01:05:49,279 --> 01:05:50,923 And Nicky Henderson, who trains for the Queen, 1380 01:05:50,947 --> 01:05:52,716 is here today. 1381 01:05:52,782 --> 01:05:54,851 I know people don't like two-horse races. 1382 01:05:54,918 --> 01:05:57,387 I love them, in fact, one-horse races. 1383 01:06:01,725 --> 01:06:03,327 Concorde used to come over 1384 01:06:03,393 --> 01:06:05,162 5 to 11 every morning. 1385 01:06:05,229 --> 01:06:07,697 You could set your clock by it. 1386 01:06:07,764 --> 01:06:09,533 Right, we're going again. 1387 01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:12,969 I'm Nicky Henderson, a racehorse trainer. 1388 01:06:14,304 --> 01:06:17,907 I was always equestrian-minded, if you like. 1389 01:06:17,974 --> 01:06:21,345 Even from school days and at Eton in those days, 1390 01:06:21,411 --> 01:06:23,080 racing was about the biggest crime. 1391 01:06:23,147 --> 01:06:25,849 To be caught on a racecourse was a heinous crime. 1392 01:06:27,084 --> 01:06:29,186 Well, I was very lucky actually, 1393 01:06:29,253 --> 01:06:31,088 because the Queen Mother's horses came here 1394 01:06:31,155 --> 01:06:32,956 and we had some wonderful times. 1395 01:06:33,023 --> 01:06:36,293 I mean, she was a spectacular lady. 1396 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,762 I think she really enjoyed the people 1397 01:06:38,828 --> 01:06:40,530 that were involved in racing. 1398 01:06:40,597 --> 01:06:41,965 Racing's full of characters. 1399 01:06:42,032 --> 01:06:44,468 Some good, some bad, mostly good. 1400 01:06:47,271 --> 01:06:50,240 The Queen took over the Queen Mother's horses 1401 01:06:50,307 --> 01:06:52,876 and all the mares that were breeding. 1402 01:06:52,942 --> 01:06:55,279 She toured the horses and she loved to come down 1403 01:06:55,345 --> 01:06:57,047 and see them. 1404 01:06:57,114 --> 01:07:00,384 And it's lovely that she takes such an interest in it all 1405 01:07:00,450 --> 01:07:02,452 and as you know, 1406 01:07:02,519 --> 01:07:06,690 racing is probably her number one relaxation, hobby, passion. 1407 01:07:08,525 --> 01:07:11,295 Both the Queen Mother and the Queen, they're A, 1408 01:07:11,361 --> 01:07:13,430 very knowledgeable, but B, 1409 01:07:13,497 --> 01:07:16,933 terribly easy to work with and talk to about something 1410 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,902 that we both love. 1411 01:07:19,669 --> 01:07:22,739 The Gold Cup, the Champion Hurdle, the Champion Chase, 1412 01:07:22,806 --> 01:07:25,209 they are the pinnacle, the Oscar, if you like, 1413 01:07:25,275 --> 01:07:27,111 of the racing world. 1414 01:07:27,177 --> 01:07:30,080 Over the years, there've been some good days 1415 01:07:30,147 --> 01:07:31,848 and I suppose these are the special ones, 1416 01:07:31,915 --> 01:07:35,219 because these are Bobs Worth and Long Run's Gold Cups. 1417 01:07:36,253 --> 01:07:41,191 2012 was a particularly good Cheltenham festival. 1418 01:07:41,258 --> 01:07:44,961 Horse's feet vary in size quite considerably 1419 01:07:45,028 --> 01:07:47,464 and as you can see, there are big ones 1420 01:07:47,531 --> 01:07:48,932 and there are little ones. 1421 01:07:50,567 --> 01:07:53,470 This is actually a youngster of Her Majesty's, 1422 01:07:53,537 --> 01:07:55,305 called Rapid Flight. 1423 01:07:55,372 --> 01:07:57,807 He's... They're all homebred. 1424 01:07:57,874 --> 01:08:00,777 And he's a rather sweet horse. 1425 01:08:00,844 --> 01:08:04,881 He won the other day and he's due to run again this weekend, 1426 01:08:04,948 --> 01:08:06,883 if he doesn't eat the door. 1427 01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:08,818 But he's just a nice youngster, 1428 01:08:08,885 --> 01:08:12,389 his life's in front of him, so who knows? 1429 01:08:12,456 --> 01:08:14,724 And what is the breakfast of champions? 1430 01:08:15,425 --> 01:08:16,926 Well, this morning he... What? 1431 01:08:16,993 --> 01:08:18,695 - What he's actually had to eat? - Yes. 1432 01:08:18,762 --> 01:08:21,931 He's had a bowl of nuts, he's had some hay, 1433 01:08:21,998 --> 01:08:23,500 he's been out, 1434 01:08:23,567 --> 01:08:25,369 he's been actually jumping this morning. 1435 01:08:26,336 --> 01:08:27,804 Wow, so beautiful. 1436 01:08:27,871 --> 01:08:29,273 So, Rapid Flight. 1437 01:08:29,339 --> 01:08:31,040 He's called Rapid Flight. 1438 01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:34,144 I don't know how rapid he is, but he won the other day 1439 01:08:34,211 --> 01:08:36,079 and I hope you win again this weekend. 1440 01:08:42,819 --> 01:08:44,754 Have you ever been to the Proms? 1441 01:08:44,821 --> 01:08:46,089 I haven't, no. 1442 01:08:48,091 --> 01:08:51,060 I'm not very British, am I? 1443 01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:58,902 ♪♪♪ 1444 01:08:58,968 --> 01:09:00,570 Could I tempt you with a programme, sir? 1445 01:09:00,637 --> 01:09:02,239 Oh my goodness me, yes of course. 1446 01:09:02,306 --> 01:09:05,275 Yes, it's £5 and it goes to support our charities 1447 01:09:05,342 --> 01:09:07,411 and we've just surpassed a million pounds 1448 01:09:07,477 --> 01:09:08,578 raised for charity. 1449 01:09:09,413 --> 01:09:11,848 I'm Susie Gregson, founder and Chief Executive 1450 01:09:11,915 --> 01:09:13,383 of Proms at St Jude's. 1451 01:09:13,450 --> 01:09:15,018 I think you're missing 1452 01:09:15,084 --> 01:09:17,354 three very important letters there, Susie. 1453 01:09:18,422 --> 01:09:23,092 MBE. I was awarded an MBE by Her Majesty, the Queen. 1454 01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:26,763 I was awarded it for services to the community. 1455 01:09:26,830 --> 01:09:28,898 Pretty much for founding Proms at St Jude's 1456 01:09:28,965 --> 01:09:30,867 and for keeping it going for so many years. 1457 01:09:30,934 --> 01:09:35,839 ♪♪♪ 1458 01:09:35,905 --> 01:09:38,475 Proms was set up almost 30 years ago. 1459 01:09:38,542 --> 01:09:40,277 I don't think any of us anticipated 1460 01:09:40,344 --> 01:09:41,978 that it would last as long as it did 1461 01:09:42,045 --> 01:09:43,580 and be as much loved as it is. 1462 01:09:43,647 --> 01:09:46,450 By pulling together, we've become a community 1463 01:09:46,516 --> 01:09:48,218 and over the years, 1464 01:09:48,285 --> 01:09:50,095 we've consistently raised money for good causes. 1465 01:09:50,119 --> 01:09:53,323 It's almost entirely run by volunteers of all ages. 1466 01:09:54,157 --> 01:09:55,825 Proms isn't a new concept. 1467 01:09:55,892 --> 01:09:58,495 It started, I think, in the mid-18th century 1468 01:09:58,562 --> 01:10:00,797 and it started with pleasure gardens, 1469 01:10:00,864 --> 01:10:04,534 where people could stroll around while musicians played. 1470 01:10:05,735 --> 01:10:07,704 Well, tonight we've got a wonderful concert 1471 01:10:07,771 --> 01:10:10,407 with Braimah and Konya Kanneh-Mason. 1472 01:10:10,474 --> 01:10:13,076 The Kanneh-Masons will be playing Elgar's Sospiri 1473 01:10:13,142 --> 01:10:14,878 and Elgar, of course, 1474 01:10:14,944 --> 01:10:16,822 was actually living in Hampstead when he wrote it. 1475 01:10:16,846 --> 01:10:19,048 So really, we're playing it on his doorstep. 1476 01:10:19,649 --> 01:10:24,588 ♪♪♪ 1477 01:10:45,509 --> 01:10:47,677 It was special to play a piece 1478 01:10:47,744 --> 01:10:50,179 in Hampstead knowing that it was written so close 1479 01:10:50,246 --> 01:10:52,115 to where we were performing. 1480 01:10:53,850 --> 01:10:55,652 We both live in West Hampstead. 1481 01:10:55,719 --> 01:10:58,322 It was a really lovely atmosphere for us to play in. 1482 01:10:59,856 --> 01:11:01,658 If Elgar was sat in the audience, 1483 01:11:01,725 --> 01:11:04,060 I would love to speak to him afterwards 1484 01:11:04,127 --> 01:11:05,862 and ask how he thinks we did 1485 01:11:05,929 --> 01:11:07,797 and what he thinks we should do or change. 1486 01:11:09,699 --> 01:11:11,267 I grew up with music around the house. 1487 01:11:11,335 --> 01:11:13,102 It was always there, 1488 01:11:13,169 --> 01:11:15,147 so I think that's how I naturally gravitated towards it, 1489 01:11:15,171 --> 01:11:17,441 because then I was just immersed in music 1490 01:11:17,507 --> 01:11:18,942 from a very early age. 1491 01:11:21,578 --> 01:11:23,680 We were extremely lucky 1492 01:11:23,747 --> 01:11:26,716 to have parents who grew up loving music. 1493 01:11:26,783 --> 01:11:29,886 They really believed that it was an essential part 1494 01:11:29,953 --> 01:11:34,223 of the education, and we've just been really, really lucky 1495 01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:36,860 to have had incredible opportunities 1496 01:11:36,926 --> 01:11:40,163 and an amazing support network. 1497 01:11:42,265 --> 01:11:47,036 ♪♪♪ 1498 01:12:01,651 --> 01:12:03,387 My name is Dylan Kawende. 1499 01:12:03,453 --> 01:12:06,055 I'm the British-born son of Congolese Rwandan refugees. 1500 01:12:06,122 --> 01:12:09,125 I set up the #GetDyl2Cambridge campaign 1501 01:12:09,192 --> 01:12:11,828 to pursue my dream of becoming a lawyer. 1502 01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:16,600 So my dad received an offer to study at Cambridge University, 1503 01:12:16,666 --> 01:12:18,502 but he couldn't take up the place 1504 01:12:18,568 --> 01:12:20,336 because he didn't have the funding. 1505 01:12:20,404 --> 01:12:24,173 Back in the '90s, my parents migrated to the UK 1506 01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,776 during a time of chaos and disorder. 1507 01:12:26,843 --> 01:12:30,914 They always dreamed of a better future for myself 1508 01:12:30,980 --> 01:12:33,783 and my four siblings. So when they came over here, 1509 01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:36,953 the aspiration was that we would all benefit society. 1510 01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:39,889 And that has helped me to forge my own path 1511 01:12:39,956 --> 01:12:42,426 and despite the financial hurdles 1512 01:12:42,492 --> 01:12:44,093 of studying law at Cambridge University, 1513 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,396 I've been able to pursue my dream. 1514 01:12:46,463 --> 01:12:48,598 Lots of people will recognise my campaign, 1515 01:12:48,665 --> 01:12:50,600 my #GetDyl2Cambridge campaign. 1516 01:12:50,667 --> 01:12:52,902 An arduous effort, but definitely worth it 1517 01:12:52,969 --> 01:12:55,405 and I wouldn't have had all these resources 1518 01:12:55,472 --> 01:12:57,306 if not for the people who believed in me. 1519 01:12:57,373 --> 01:13:00,410 It's been an amazing journey, an amazing experience. 1520 01:13:08,585 --> 01:13:13,523 There is still that feeling in rural England. 1521 01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:16,726 There's something rather lovely about it. 1522 01:13:18,628 --> 01:13:23,733 I love going into old churches in little villages 1523 01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:30,173 and sensing the history and the sense of peace and quiet. 1524 01:13:31,374 --> 01:13:33,977 I love going to Grantchester 1525 01:13:34,043 --> 01:13:37,681 and having cream tea in the orchard tea rooms. 1526 01:13:38,815 --> 01:13:41,985 Is that the whole of modern Britain? 1527 01:13:42,051 --> 01:13:45,221 No, of course not. But it's part of the whole. 1528 01:13:46,289 --> 01:13:50,694 Chocolate box, Christmas card, the village. 1529 01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,529 I'm not a villager, 1530 01:13:52,596 --> 01:13:54,864 I'm a provincial urban lad, 1531 01:13:54,931 --> 01:13:56,900 so I get much more sentimental 1532 01:13:56,966 --> 01:14:00,036 about the paintings of L.S. Lowry. 1533 01:14:00,103 --> 01:14:05,675 Lowry painted the now demolished cityscapes of the North. 1534 01:14:05,742 --> 01:14:07,711 The mean little houses and streets 1535 01:14:07,777 --> 01:14:10,514 and the big overpowering factories and churches. 1536 01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:12,081 Smoke in the air. 1537 01:14:13,449 --> 01:14:15,619 Damp. Dirty. 1538 01:14:17,286 --> 01:14:19,623 Well, the North was a bit like that 1539 01:14:19,689 --> 01:14:23,392 when I was growing up and I can get sentimental about that, 1540 01:14:23,459 --> 01:14:24,961 rather than... 1541 01:14:27,196 --> 01:14:30,500 anything down at Grantchester with all those posh people. 1542 01:14:35,038 --> 01:14:36,682 You know, the mountains of the Lake District, 1543 01:14:36,706 --> 01:14:38,675 the mountains of the Highlands of Scotland, 1544 01:14:38,742 --> 01:14:41,745 they are some of the oldest landmasses in the world. 1545 01:14:41,811 --> 01:14:45,549 The Himalayas, the tall mountains these days are new, 1546 01:14:45,615 --> 01:14:47,016 they've just arrived. 1547 01:14:48,417 --> 01:14:52,889 The Pennines have been here since time immemorial 1548 01:14:52,956 --> 01:14:55,925 and I get sentimental about that. 1549 01:14:55,992 --> 01:14:58,962 If I am trying to think what it is to be British 1550 01:14:59,028 --> 01:15:02,766 is to have lived in the variable landscapes. 1551 01:15:02,832 --> 01:15:06,369 Which people down South here on this little island, 1552 01:15:06,435 --> 01:15:09,072 people who live in London, they don't know about mountains. 1553 01:15:09,138 --> 01:15:11,374 There aren't any mountains here, there're a few hills. 1554 01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:13,176 No mountains. 1555 01:15:18,347 --> 01:15:21,350 I don't think there's a direct link between us 1556 01:15:21,417 --> 01:15:25,121 today living in London and the London where Shakespeare lived. 1557 01:15:25,188 --> 01:15:27,791 I mean that's long, long ago and it was very, very different. 1558 01:15:27,857 --> 01:15:31,060 Very violent, horrible place, actually. 1559 01:15:31,127 --> 01:15:33,963 Cruelty on the streets. 1560 01:15:34,030 --> 01:15:35,865 Deaths in the air. 1561 01:15:35,932 --> 01:15:38,134 Short lives. 1562 01:15:38,201 --> 01:15:40,937 Dirty. Disease-ridden. 1563 01:15:41,004 --> 01:15:42,872 Mmm-mmm. 1564 01:15:48,177 --> 01:15:50,146 You're at Bekonscot Model Village, 1565 01:15:50,213 --> 01:15:52,281 the oldest model village in the world. 1566 01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,656 This is where we got the quirky names. 1567 01:15:59,723 --> 01:16:03,593 The fruiter is, You Are A Peach, Heavenly Soles 1568 01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:07,463 and this is the smallest Marks, Spencers in the world. 1569 01:16:07,530 --> 01:16:09,132 What did they sell in the '30s? 1570 01:16:09,198 --> 01:16:10,967 And they sent us all the information. 1571 01:16:11,034 --> 01:16:14,938 And basically they just sold hats, stockings, shoes, 1572 01:16:15,004 --> 01:16:16,773 gloves and scarves. 1573 01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,375 Things like that. Not like they do today. 1574 01:16:22,011 --> 01:16:26,115 This is a little memorial to our founder, Roland Callingham. 1575 01:16:26,182 --> 01:16:28,718 People think he's buried there, but he's not. 1576 01:16:29,986 --> 01:16:32,789 Why do you think the 1930s was chosen 1577 01:16:32,856 --> 01:16:34,457 as the period? 1578 01:16:34,523 --> 01:16:36,359 I think it was the time was just about right, 1579 01:16:36,425 --> 01:16:39,528 because then after that, everything sort of changed. 1580 01:16:39,595 --> 01:16:41,798 I think we got it just right. 1581 01:16:41,865 --> 01:16:44,033 So it was almost like an idyllic, 1582 01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:45,669 quintessentially British time? 1583 01:16:45,735 --> 01:16:48,504 Oh, I think so. No doubt about that. Yes. 1584 01:16:48,571 --> 01:16:50,974 Yes, it was. It was. 1585 01:16:54,210 --> 01:16:56,045 That is English. 1586 01:16:56,112 --> 01:16:59,716 Even now you go out and about on a Saturday and Sunday, 1587 01:16:59,783 --> 01:17:01,117 they're playing cricket. 1588 01:17:09,926 --> 01:17:13,396 One thing we can't get to scale are the fish. 1589 01:17:13,462 --> 01:17:17,934 These are enormous, mutant whales in scale, so yes. 1590 01:17:20,937 --> 01:17:23,239 Do you think the trains run on time here? 1591 01:17:23,306 --> 01:17:25,074 Oh, definitely. 1592 01:17:25,141 --> 01:17:28,111 No leaves on the line or anything like that, no. 1593 01:17:29,746 --> 01:17:30,980 Hiya. 1594 01:17:34,217 --> 01:17:36,686 Why are Pixar movies so successful? 1595 01:17:36,753 --> 01:17:39,889 Because Pixar works for kids and it works for adults. 1596 01:17:39,956 --> 01:17:43,026 Maybe that's the secret success formula for Bekonscot. 1597 01:17:43,092 --> 01:17:44,928 Yes, I think it is, yes. 1598 01:17:44,994 --> 01:17:47,530 You come as a child, you bring your children, 1599 01:17:47,596 --> 01:17:51,000 you then bring the grandchildren and it starts all over again. 1600 01:17:53,002 --> 01:17:56,940 And you've got Ascot Racecourse, as it was in the 1930s. 1601 01:17:57,006 --> 01:17:59,475 One of our model makers who got the MBE, 1602 01:17:59,542 --> 01:18:00,944 he went up to meet the Queen. 1603 01:18:01,010 --> 01:18:02,712 He actually spoke to the Queen 1604 01:18:02,779 --> 01:18:06,315 for it seems a lot longer than everyone else, 1605 01:18:06,382 --> 01:18:09,485 because she said, "Oh, I came such and such a year." 1606 01:18:09,552 --> 01:18:11,630 And he said, "Excuse me, Mom, you came in," whatever. 1607 01:18:11,654 --> 01:18:12,956 And they chatted, you know. 1608 01:18:13,022 --> 01:18:14,423 If it'd been anyone else, 1609 01:18:14,490 --> 01:18:16,225 it'd been off with his head, you know. 1610 01:18:16,292 --> 01:18:22,165 Her Majesty came with Queen Mary in '34 and '39. 1611 01:18:22,231 --> 01:18:26,335 The Royal Family has decided that it will define itself 1612 01:18:26,402 --> 01:18:30,706 through its theatrical presentation of itself. 1613 01:18:31,707 --> 01:18:33,877 And a parade, a royal parade, 1614 01:18:33,943 --> 01:18:37,513 is something quite remarkable and it's very British. 1615 01:18:39,448 --> 01:18:42,718 This is the first time we've had an opportunity 1616 01:18:42,786 --> 01:18:45,588 to celebrate a Platinum Jubilee. 1617 01:18:45,654 --> 01:18:48,391 The first time in all our history 1618 01:18:48,457 --> 01:18:51,560 that somebody should be on the throne for 70 years. 1619 01:18:51,627 --> 01:18:54,430 How fantastic is that? 1620 01:18:54,497 --> 01:18:57,100 Without a doubt, over the last few years, 1621 01:18:57,166 --> 01:19:01,104 the most extraordinary person, not just who is British, 1622 01:19:01,170 --> 01:19:03,206 is of course, Her Majesty the Queen. 1623 01:19:03,272 --> 01:19:05,108 What an amazing woman. 1624 01:19:05,174 --> 01:19:08,044 Well, she means the glue that holds the nation together. 1625 01:19:08,111 --> 01:19:09,645 Because if you look back, 1626 01:19:09,712 --> 01:19:11,547 she's been one of the most effective 1627 01:19:11,614 --> 01:19:13,549 and best monarchs we've ever had. 1628 01:19:13,616 --> 01:19:16,886 The Queen means everything. She's iconic. 1629 01:19:16,953 --> 01:19:19,856 She is an incredible role model. 1630 01:19:19,923 --> 01:19:21,891 She's been a fantastic public servant. 1631 01:19:21,958 --> 01:19:24,994 The sport of kings, it has to be renamed the sport of queens. 1632 01:19:25,061 --> 01:19:26,996 She's a star. Like you know, 1633 01:19:27,063 --> 01:19:30,199 Queen is someone everyone has to look up to. 1634 01:19:30,266 --> 01:19:31,700 Oh, I love the Queen. 1635 01:19:31,767 --> 01:19:33,269 We'll raise a glass to the Queen. 1636 01:19:33,336 --> 01:19:35,338 Yeah, without the Queen being here, 1637 01:19:35,404 --> 01:19:36,806 this country wouldn't be what it is. 1638 01:19:36,873 --> 01:19:38,374 Exactly. 1639 01:19:38,441 --> 01:19:39,708 But the Royal Family, 1640 01:19:39,775 --> 01:19:41,177 aren't they German in origin? 1641 01:19:41,244 --> 01:19:42,378 We don't... Well... 1642 01:19:42,445 --> 01:19:43,813 We don't look at them like that. 1643 01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,348 No. No. 1644 01:19:45,414 --> 01:19:47,116 They've become British, 1645 01:19:47,183 --> 01:19:48,828 I'm not sure whether one would call them English. 1646 01:19:48,852 --> 01:19:50,329 Oh, they're English, they're not German, 1647 01:19:50,353 --> 01:19:52,021 they are Anglo-Saxon. 1648 01:19:52,088 --> 01:19:53,857 Well, where did the Anglo-Saxons come from? 1649 01:19:53,923 --> 01:19:56,993 The reason they are very British, 1650 01:19:57,060 --> 01:19:59,728 is that they are very British. 1651 01:20:01,164 --> 01:20:03,099 They're hugely valued for what they offer 1652 01:20:03,166 --> 01:20:04,868 and for what they represent. 1653 01:20:06,802 --> 01:20:09,738 The monarch has to be apolitical. 1654 01:20:09,805 --> 01:20:12,608 But it doesn't stop us, the world, 1655 01:20:12,675 --> 01:20:15,444 the papers analysing, perhaps, 1656 01:20:15,511 --> 01:20:20,249 some moments that seem slightly more provocative. 1657 01:20:20,316 --> 01:20:23,552 Her most marked sartorial choices, 1658 01:20:23,619 --> 01:20:26,956 was at the State Opening of Parliament in 2017. 1659 01:20:27,023 --> 01:20:31,160 She came in steadfast in a beautiful mid-blue suit, 1660 01:20:31,227 --> 01:20:33,396 matching hat with a perhaps 1661 01:20:33,462 --> 01:20:36,732 not too subtle circular formation 1662 01:20:36,799 --> 01:20:40,203 of star-like yellow flowers, resembling the European flag. 1663 01:20:40,269 --> 01:20:42,438 Part of me thinks if she was allowed to talk, 1664 01:20:42,505 --> 01:20:44,440 she would be disappointed 1665 01:20:44,507 --> 01:20:47,176 that we were breaking our ties with Europe, 1666 01:20:47,243 --> 01:20:50,346 but only she knows and maybe her dresser. 1667 01:20:50,413 --> 01:20:56,285 ♪♪♪ 1668 01:21:06,795 --> 01:21:08,664 I was 20-years-old. 1669 01:21:08,731 --> 01:21:11,734 I remember all the people in the street, myself included, 1670 01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,636 to see the car and the Queen. 1671 01:21:13,702 --> 01:21:15,504 Everybody was amazed by that. 1672 01:21:15,571 --> 01:21:17,406 That was an amazing day. 1673 01:21:17,473 --> 01:21:19,008 So you saw the Queen go by? 1674 01:21:19,075 --> 01:21:20,743 Absolutely. 1675 01:21:20,809 --> 01:21:22,111 Were there are George's crosses 1676 01:21:22,178 --> 01:21:23,312 on the streets then? 1677 01:21:23,379 --> 01:21:24,780 Oh, that's a good question. 1678 01:21:24,847 --> 01:21:27,083 I don't remember that. 1679 01:21:27,150 --> 01:21:30,653 As a country, we're pretty good at friendly appropriation 1680 01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:32,989 of other people's property. 1681 01:21:33,056 --> 01:21:34,757 I mean, St. George, 1682 01:21:34,823 --> 01:21:36,601 I don't think St. George was actually an Englishman. 1683 01:21:36,625 --> 01:21:38,594 I don't know too much about him. 1684 01:21:38,661 --> 01:21:40,997 I'm pretty sure he is the saint, 1685 01:21:41,064 --> 01:21:44,467 the personification of Britain. 1686 01:21:44,533 --> 01:21:46,502 So, yeah. 1687 01:21:46,569 --> 01:21:48,938 The Genoese in the north of Italy, 1688 01:21:49,005 --> 01:21:52,508 their state flag was the white and red flag 1689 01:21:52,575 --> 01:21:54,978 that we know is the English flag. 1690 01:21:55,044 --> 01:21:56,912 From a footballer perspective, 1691 01:21:56,980 --> 01:21:59,148 you know, we look at that flag with real pride 1692 01:21:59,215 --> 01:22:00,950 and as something to fight for 1693 01:22:01,017 --> 01:22:02,995 and as something that we want to kind of take across 1694 01:22:03,019 --> 01:22:04,520 and do the best we could. 1695 01:22:04,587 --> 01:22:06,355 So I always had a lot of love and pride 1696 01:22:06,422 --> 01:22:07,790 towards St George's Cross. 1697 01:22:08,791 --> 01:22:11,194 I'm very pleased to have a conversation with you guys, 1698 01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:12,962 because you asked me a good question. 1699 01:22:13,029 --> 01:22:15,698 Why there are very little Italian flag here 1700 01:22:15,764 --> 01:22:17,833 and there is also St George flag? 1701 01:22:17,900 --> 01:22:21,337 St George's flag was adopted in Genoa immediately 1702 01:22:21,404 --> 01:22:23,872 after the first crusade. 1703 01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:27,476 The King of England decided to ask the permission 1704 01:22:27,543 --> 01:22:29,912 to the Genoa Republic to use the Genoa flag 1705 01:22:29,979 --> 01:22:33,016 in order to be safe cruising in Mediterranean area. 1706 01:22:33,082 --> 01:22:36,352 Our so-called English flag, 1707 01:22:36,419 --> 01:22:38,354 we were actually shelling out the reddies 1708 01:22:38,421 --> 01:22:39,989 year by year saying, 1709 01:22:40,056 --> 01:22:41,856 "Hello Genoa, sorry, we owe you a bit of money 1710 01:22:41,890 --> 01:22:43,892 "for our national flag, here you are, darling." 1711 01:22:43,959 --> 01:22:48,497 I was not able to understand why they stopped in 1599. 1712 01:22:48,564 --> 01:22:50,966 Our King or Queen said, "I think we've had enough 1713 01:22:51,034 --> 01:22:53,802 "of paying out for this Genoese flag and I like the flag, 1714 01:22:53,869 --> 01:22:54,970 "let's keep it." 1715 01:22:55,038 --> 01:22:57,573 So this is really our flag. 1716 01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,843 We wrote down a letter to the Queen, to Buckingham Palace. 1717 01:23:00,909 --> 01:23:03,812 We received a very good letter back from Buckingham Palace, 1718 01:23:03,879 --> 01:23:06,149 I'm very proud of that, saying, "Big thanks." 1719 01:23:06,215 --> 01:23:09,752 Maybe one day with all the money coming from the flag, 1720 01:23:09,818 --> 01:23:12,188 we may reconstruct the Republic of Genoa. 1721 01:23:12,255 --> 01:23:13,722 That could be a good idea. 1722 01:23:13,789 --> 01:23:15,724 Don't say here, because this is illegal, 1723 01:23:15,791 --> 01:23:18,794 so I'm not going to say that. Okay. 1724 01:23:18,861 --> 01:23:22,098 We need to have a conversation about the St George flag. 1725 01:23:22,165 --> 01:23:24,767 We love it and I'm sure you guys love too. 1726 01:23:24,833 --> 01:23:27,736 We can decide that April 23rd 1727 01:23:27,803 --> 01:23:30,239 we should have a celebration all together. 1728 01:23:30,306 --> 01:23:32,908 People from England and people from Genoa. 1729 01:23:34,143 --> 01:23:36,379 I, before starting this documentary, 1730 01:23:36,445 --> 01:23:38,847 thought that the St George's flag 1731 01:23:38,914 --> 01:23:41,517 is a quintessentially English flag, 1732 01:23:41,584 --> 01:23:43,086 but filming this documentary, 1733 01:23:43,152 --> 01:23:45,554 we discovered that the English stole it 1734 01:23:45,621 --> 01:23:48,291 from the Italians, from the Genoese. 1735 01:23:48,357 --> 01:23:51,427 Well, to be honest, it doesn't really surprise me. 1736 01:23:51,494 --> 01:23:57,066 We're quite a thievery nation, I suppose. 1737 01:23:57,133 --> 01:23:58,867 Is that so? 1738 01:23:58,934 --> 01:24:01,104 I'm not surprised to learn that as a story. 1739 01:24:01,170 --> 01:24:03,406 What you've just told me is all brand new information, 1740 01:24:03,472 --> 01:24:05,040 but very interesting that maybe comes up 1741 01:24:05,108 --> 01:24:06,742 in a quiz one day I might use. 1742 01:24:09,712 --> 01:24:11,414 What is actually British? 1743 01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:14,817 Think about it, fish and chips isn't, tea isn't. 1744 01:24:14,883 --> 01:24:18,521 A cup of tea, "Cuppa cha, sir, cuppa cha." 1745 01:24:18,587 --> 01:24:20,423 Lovely Cockney, "Cuppa cha." 1746 01:24:20,489 --> 01:24:22,358 It's not a Cockney word at all, "cha." 1747 01:24:22,425 --> 01:24:25,461 "Cha" is a Mandarin Chinese word. 1748 01:24:25,528 --> 01:24:27,130 Tea is from China. 1749 01:24:27,196 --> 01:24:29,132 Yes so, I think that's something 1750 01:24:29,198 --> 01:24:32,468 to link the two cultures together. 1751 01:24:32,535 --> 01:24:34,970 Three times the number of British people 1752 01:24:35,037 --> 01:24:37,640 have an Indian dish every week. 1753 01:24:37,706 --> 01:24:40,976 Wow, that's great, okay. 1754 01:24:41,043 --> 01:24:43,679 Which dish in Indian, like, what do they like? 1755 01:24:43,746 --> 01:24:45,848 They say chicken tikka masala. 1756 01:24:45,914 --> 01:24:48,083 Wow, chicken tikka masala, nice. 1757 01:24:48,151 --> 01:24:50,819 That's my favourite too. 1758 01:24:50,886 --> 01:24:53,088 Juana, what's the national dish? 1759 01:24:53,156 --> 01:24:55,791 Well, we definitely at home still have fish and chips 1760 01:24:55,858 --> 01:24:58,294 every Friday evening from the local fish and chip shop. 1761 01:24:58,361 --> 01:25:00,296 Fish and chips. 1762 01:25:00,363 --> 01:25:04,833 That is the quintessential English dish. 1763 01:25:04,900 --> 01:25:08,537 Thank you very much to those Jewish immigrants from Europe, 1764 01:25:08,604 --> 01:25:11,340 who brought the idea of fried fish with them. 1765 01:25:11,407 --> 01:25:14,910 Beef, of course, is a French word, boeuf. 1766 01:25:14,977 --> 01:25:17,913 Mutton and lamb comes from the Normans. 1767 01:25:17,980 --> 01:25:20,483 Oh and thank you very much to the Vikings, 1768 01:25:20,549 --> 01:25:22,050 because they brought this idea 1769 01:25:22,117 --> 01:25:24,253 of smoking fish and preserving fish, 1770 01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,523 so smoked salmon and smoked haddock and kippers. 1771 01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:29,425 Thank you very much to the Vikings. 1772 01:25:29,492 --> 01:25:34,530 Pork, not pig, pork. 1773 01:25:34,597 --> 01:25:38,367 Foreign word. Because the French were better cooks. 1774 01:25:38,434 --> 01:25:40,068 That's the reason. 1775 01:25:40,135 --> 01:25:42,738 Imagine the UK without any Caribbean influence. 1776 01:25:42,805 --> 01:25:45,474 Rum punch, jerk chicken, Red Stripe, 1777 01:25:45,541 --> 01:25:49,077 like, a British person, one of their favourite beers 1778 01:25:49,144 --> 01:25:51,214 is generally a Red Stripe, everyone knows it. 1779 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:52,748 Beer. English bitter beer, 1780 01:25:52,815 --> 01:25:54,317 one of the most famous in the world. 1781 01:25:54,383 --> 01:25:55,751 That's not English. 1782 01:25:55,818 --> 01:25:57,686 500 years ago, we didn't have any hops. 1783 01:25:57,753 --> 01:25:59,688 They came from the Netherlands, 1784 01:25:59,755 --> 01:26:02,258 from what is now Belgium and Holland. 1785 01:26:02,325 --> 01:26:03,526 They had hops. 1786 01:26:03,592 --> 01:26:05,861 They showed us how to make beer. 1787 01:26:05,928 --> 01:26:08,331 Cider, cider, English cider's lovely. 1788 01:26:08,397 --> 01:26:09,932 Thank you, the Normans. 1789 01:26:09,998 --> 01:26:11,600 Thank you, William the Conqueror, 1790 01:26:11,667 --> 01:26:13,369 for bringing all your apples over 1791 01:26:13,436 --> 01:26:15,070 and showing us how to make cider. 1792 01:26:15,137 --> 01:26:19,442 Whiskey. Now, that'll be British. Would it? 1793 01:26:19,508 --> 01:26:21,377 Why don't you ask the Irish? 1794 01:26:21,444 --> 01:26:26,582 Because it's probably the Irish who invented whiskey. 1795 01:26:27,683 --> 01:26:32,255 Gin. Now gin, the quintessential English drink. 1796 01:26:32,321 --> 01:26:33,456 No, it isn't. 1797 01:26:33,522 --> 01:26:35,324 We got the idea from Holland 1798 01:26:35,391 --> 01:26:38,894 and they got the idea from North Africa via Italy. 1799 01:26:38,961 --> 01:26:40,329 Not English at all. 1800 01:26:41,464 --> 01:26:44,767 Where did the sausage come from? The British sausage. 1801 01:26:44,833 --> 01:26:47,303 You can't get those abroad. 1802 01:26:47,370 --> 01:26:49,238 And there's nothing like one. 1803 01:26:49,305 --> 01:26:50,973 A British sausage. 1804 01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,442 Superior to any sausage I've ever had 1805 01:26:53,509 --> 01:26:55,177 anywhere else in the world. 1806 01:26:56,279 --> 01:26:59,582 Now, is that not quintessentially British? 1807 01:26:59,648 --> 01:27:04,287 ♪♪♪ 1808 01:27:04,353 --> 01:27:06,489 Who are really English is very hard to say, 1809 01:27:06,555 --> 01:27:08,324 really, if you look at the history. 1810 01:27:08,391 --> 01:27:10,335 The more you look back, the more interesting it gets 1811 01:27:10,359 --> 01:27:12,961 and the more different peoples come into the equation. 1812 01:27:13,028 --> 01:27:15,764 It's so fascinating to see one wave of immigrants 1813 01:27:15,831 --> 01:27:17,300 after another so... 1814 01:27:17,366 --> 01:27:19,268 And it's still continuing of course. 1815 01:27:19,335 --> 01:27:24,540 We've had to face our, you know, all our phobias, haven't we? 1816 01:27:24,607 --> 01:27:28,677 Our racisms and our fears and our anxieties about the other, 1817 01:27:28,744 --> 01:27:30,279 but we're all the other. 1818 01:27:30,346 --> 01:27:32,214 We are the other. Of course, we're mongrels. 1819 01:27:32,281 --> 01:27:34,450 That's what's so absolutely wonderful. 1820 01:27:34,517 --> 01:27:37,553 This has, in some ways, 1821 01:27:37,620 --> 01:27:40,222 always been a multicultural society. 1822 01:27:40,289 --> 01:27:42,157 It's more evident now, 1823 01:27:42,224 --> 01:27:44,360 because of obviously the end of empire 1824 01:27:44,427 --> 01:27:47,029 and the whole impact of a Commonwealth 1825 01:27:47,095 --> 01:27:48,664 and all of those things. 1826 01:27:48,731 --> 01:27:50,599 It's been very interesting to see 1827 01:27:50,666 --> 01:27:53,636 how many people have been very keen to live in Britain. 1828 01:27:53,702 --> 01:27:57,306 Is it just about there being a national health system 1829 01:27:57,373 --> 01:28:00,476 and there being a social security system, 1830 01:28:00,543 --> 01:28:02,878 of a kind that you certainly don't get 1831 01:28:02,945 --> 01:28:04,480 in the United States? 1832 01:28:04,547 --> 01:28:06,281 No, it's about more than that. 1833 01:28:06,349 --> 01:28:09,385 It's about people being attracted 1834 01:28:09,452 --> 01:28:14,390 to certain assumptions about the way we live. 1835 01:28:16,258 --> 01:28:18,160 I come... My family come from Ireland. 1836 01:28:18,226 --> 01:28:22,831 We know all about wanting to be accepted as foreigners 1837 01:28:22,898 --> 01:28:24,767 in this country. 1838 01:28:24,833 --> 01:28:28,371 It takes a while, but we do integrate, 1839 01:28:28,437 --> 01:28:31,073 we do welcome people from abroad. 1840 01:28:31,139 --> 01:28:32,541 We always have. 1841 01:28:32,608 --> 01:28:34,176 Churchill? 1842 01:28:34,242 --> 01:28:36,679 - He was half American. - Hm? 1843 01:28:36,745 --> 01:28:39,348 He was half... His mother was American. 1844 01:28:39,415 --> 01:28:41,917 Well, maybe that's quintessentially British 1845 01:28:41,984 --> 01:28:43,786 that in fact you're not local at all, 1846 01:28:43,852 --> 01:28:48,290 you're an invader or an immigrant 1847 01:28:48,357 --> 01:28:50,759 or started from somewhere else, why not? 1848 01:28:52,327 --> 01:28:56,198 I love the idea of this country being multiracial, 1849 01:28:56,264 --> 01:28:58,401 which it gloriously is. 1850 01:28:58,467 --> 01:29:00,503 In an ideal world, I like the sense 1851 01:29:00,569 --> 01:29:02,337 that anybody could consider themselves to... 1852 01:29:02,405 --> 01:29:04,673 call Britain home, because I think that its... 1853 01:29:04,740 --> 01:29:11,179 At its best when it celebrates how cosmopolitan it is. 1854 01:29:11,246 --> 01:29:14,049 I get frustrated when British people think 1855 01:29:14,116 --> 01:29:18,286 we're not inclusive and that we're not all embracing, 1856 01:29:18,353 --> 01:29:21,256 because from what I've seen from my travels, is that we are. 1857 01:29:21,323 --> 01:29:22,991 We really are. 1858 01:29:23,058 --> 01:29:24,493 Your surname is Petrucci. 1859 01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,128 Mm-hm. 1860 01:29:26,194 --> 01:29:27,630 Is that an English surname? 1861 01:29:27,696 --> 01:29:29,765 It's Italian. Sicilian. My Grandad. 1862 01:29:29,832 --> 01:29:34,937 Launer is a truly British company 1863 01:29:35,003 --> 01:29:36,939 and I'm very proud of the fact, 1864 01:29:37,005 --> 01:29:41,910 because of course my background was originally from Germany. 1865 01:29:41,977 --> 01:29:46,081 Jacob Dege came over from Germany in 1855. 1866 01:29:46,148 --> 01:29:50,653 My great-great-grandfather was also a tailor in London. 1867 01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:54,457 His son and Mr. Dege's, or now it's pronounced Dege, 1868 01:29:54,523 --> 01:29:56,725 their two sons got on very well, 1869 01:29:56,792 --> 01:29:59,327 so they actually started up on their own. 1870 01:29:59,394 --> 01:30:02,631 Culturally, I think because of the richness 1871 01:30:02,698 --> 01:30:06,234 of people's experiences from the Caribbean, from India, 1872 01:30:06,301 --> 01:30:09,905 from Africa, from Europe obviously makes it far richer 1873 01:30:09,972 --> 01:30:12,107 and there is really something for everyone. 1874 01:30:13,308 --> 01:30:16,479 Oh, we are in Chinatown, phenomenonal. 1875 01:30:16,545 --> 01:30:18,981 Amazing place, yes. 1876 01:30:19,047 --> 01:30:21,917 It's a good place to mix with British culture 1877 01:30:21,984 --> 01:30:24,720 and international culture and Oriental, 1878 01:30:24,787 --> 01:30:26,555 Chinese culture as well. 1879 01:30:26,622 --> 01:30:28,524 There's so many Indians over here 1880 01:30:28,591 --> 01:30:30,859 and I don't feel like I'm an outsider. 1881 01:30:30,926 --> 01:30:32,728 I feel like I belong to this place. 1882 01:30:32,795 --> 01:30:36,298 British Asians are definitely a huge part of Britain 1883 01:30:36,364 --> 01:30:39,868 with our cuisines, with our commerce, with our cricket. 1884 01:30:39,935 --> 01:30:43,005 There are a lot of dishes in our culture 1885 01:30:43,071 --> 01:30:45,508 to have worth celebrating that. 1886 01:30:45,574 --> 01:30:48,043 When I was retraining my career 1887 01:30:48,110 --> 01:30:50,021 in horticulture, Leonardslee was kind of spoken of 1888 01:30:50,045 --> 01:30:52,414 in hushed terms then, it was the lost hidden gem, 1889 01:30:52,481 --> 01:30:54,650 it was shut for, you know, eight to ten years. 1890 01:30:54,717 --> 01:30:56,885 Ironically, for a quintessentially English 1891 01:30:56,952 --> 01:30:58,554 woodland garden, 1892 01:30:58,621 --> 01:31:00,523 it was saved by a South African-born family. 1893 01:31:00,589 --> 01:31:02,991 So Penny Streeter and her family bought it, 1894 01:31:03,058 --> 01:31:04,860 reopened it and are driving it forward, 1895 01:31:04,927 --> 01:31:06,562 making it what it is today. 1896 01:31:06,629 --> 01:31:08,296 Elgar was... 1897 01:31:08,363 --> 01:31:10,241 He was often considered quintessentially English, 1898 01:31:10,265 --> 01:31:13,301 but a lot of his influences were European. 1899 01:31:13,368 --> 01:31:15,838 It's not unusual for foreign influences 1900 01:31:15,904 --> 01:31:18,641 to find their way into British culture or British society. 1901 01:31:18,707 --> 01:31:20,408 Same is true of cricket. 1902 01:31:20,475 --> 01:31:22,911 It probably originated in South East England, 1903 01:31:22,978 --> 01:31:25,480 but there is a competing theory 1904 01:31:25,548 --> 01:31:28,216 which suggests the game was imported by Flemish weavers, 1905 01:31:28,283 --> 01:31:31,620 who arrived in this country in the 16th and 17th century. 1906 01:31:31,687 --> 01:31:34,089 So, foreign influences have made their way 1907 01:31:34,156 --> 01:31:35,891 into English cricket, just as they have 1908 01:31:35,958 --> 01:31:38,260 into every other aspect of British life. 1909 01:31:38,326 --> 01:31:42,898 Britishness, for me, is not about being insular. 1910 01:31:42,965 --> 01:31:45,233 It's about being open to the world, 1911 01:31:45,300 --> 01:31:50,138 absorbing influences and being able, in turn, to influence. 1912 01:31:50,205 --> 01:31:53,208 And that, I think, is one of the things 1913 01:31:53,275 --> 01:31:55,678 that makes us special. 1914 01:32:01,917 --> 01:32:04,753 Britain, 300 years old, 1915 01:32:04,820 --> 01:32:07,856 England, 1,100 years old. 1916 01:32:07,923 --> 01:32:10,726 They're very different things historically. 1917 01:32:10,793 --> 01:32:12,360 They often say about England 1918 01:32:12,427 --> 01:32:14,462 that it's really the history of the shires. 1919 01:32:14,529 --> 01:32:19,301 Back in the mists of time is where we come from, as it were. 1920 01:32:21,369 --> 01:32:23,471 It's very interesting that the British 1921 01:32:23,538 --> 01:32:25,373 are often called the English, 1922 01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:29,011 which extremely annoys members of the other nations. 1923 01:32:29,077 --> 01:32:32,114 Now where I come from is extremely English. 1924 01:32:32,180 --> 01:32:35,083 On all sides of my family, English. 1925 01:32:35,150 --> 01:32:36,819 You have Irish ancestry as well. 1926 01:32:36,885 --> 01:32:38,320 I do. 1927 01:32:38,386 --> 01:32:39,755 Do you consider yourself 1928 01:32:39,822 --> 01:32:41,456 quintessentially English or British? 1929 01:32:43,158 --> 01:32:44,703 It's very interesting you should ask that, 1930 01:32:44,727 --> 01:32:46,662 because I've just done that programme 1931 01:32:46,729 --> 01:32:48,330 Who Do You Think You Are? 1932 01:32:48,396 --> 01:32:53,368 There is a huge slice of me that is Irish. 1933 01:32:53,435 --> 01:32:56,138 And I was born in England. 1934 01:32:56,204 --> 01:32:59,141 And then there's a lot of something elsewhere, as well. 1935 01:32:59,207 --> 01:33:01,143 I can't say anymore. 1936 01:33:01,209 --> 01:33:02,911 I'm like a kind of fruitcake. 1937 01:33:02,978 --> 01:33:04,479 Yes, and I discovered 1938 01:33:04,546 --> 01:33:06,414 when I did the same program 1939 01:33:06,481 --> 01:33:08,450 that I had quite a recent relative 1940 01:33:08,516 --> 01:33:10,853 who was a professional actor. 1941 01:33:10,919 --> 01:33:12,921 I could feel myself to be a Kiwi, 1942 01:33:12,988 --> 01:33:14,690 having worked there for quite a lot. 1943 01:33:14,757 --> 01:33:18,160 Sean, born and bred in Swansea in South Wales 1944 01:33:18,226 --> 01:33:20,028 and lived in London most of his life, 1945 01:33:20,095 --> 01:33:22,865 still feels he's abroad when he's in London. 1946 01:33:22,931 --> 01:33:25,467 I think I've brought my Welshness with me 1947 01:33:25,533 --> 01:33:27,703 throughout my whole life, everywhere I've been. 1948 01:33:27,770 --> 01:33:30,372 But I've lived in South Africa, I've lived in America, 1949 01:33:30,438 --> 01:33:33,175 I've lived in England, so I've lived all over the world. 1950 01:33:33,241 --> 01:33:34,743 And if you ask me in ten years, 1951 01:33:34,810 --> 01:33:37,345 I'll probably be clearer, but at the moment, 1952 01:33:37,412 --> 01:33:40,048 I'm certainly feeling very Welsh, yes. 1953 01:33:40,115 --> 01:33:41,850 Blood wise, I'm half Irish, 1954 01:33:41,917 --> 01:33:46,655 so I feel like I'm a bit of everything. 1955 01:33:46,722 --> 01:33:49,591 But I guess I quite enjoy playing up 1956 01:33:49,658 --> 01:33:52,260 to being a little bit of a stereotype of somebody 1957 01:33:52,327 --> 01:33:54,897 who's English, but you know, and sort of sounding posh, 1958 01:33:54,963 --> 01:33:56,531 but I'm not really posh either. 1959 01:33:56,598 --> 01:33:58,901 I just happen to have a posh voice. 1960 01:33:58,967 --> 01:34:01,069 But my parents are from South East London, 1961 01:34:01,136 --> 01:34:02,470 so they talk like that. 1962 01:34:02,537 --> 01:34:04,139 So I don't know what I am, 1963 01:34:04,206 --> 01:34:06,017 but I quite enjoy playing a bit of a character. 1964 01:34:06,041 --> 01:34:07,642 And if I'm really feeling it, 1965 01:34:07,710 --> 01:34:09,230 I like to pretend I'm in Downton Abbey. 1966 01:34:09,277 --> 01:34:11,413 That's usually when I'm at home. 1967 01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,049 Ooh, quintessentially British, I think. Yes. 1968 01:34:14,116 --> 01:34:16,151 Yes, I'd like to think. 1969 01:34:16,218 --> 01:34:18,754 I think British is probably how I would identify myself with, 1970 01:34:18,821 --> 01:34:20,388 purely and simply because 1971 01:34:20,455 --> 01:34:22,390 of the diverse nature of where I'm from. 1972 01:34:22,457 --> 01:34:24,903 You know, my dad's from Jamaica, my mum's from England and Wales 1973 01:34:24,927 --> 01:34:26,862 and you know I think to encapsulate 1974 01:34:26,929 --> 01:34:28,330 as many of the islands 1975 01:34:28,396 --> 01:34:30,565 as I possibly can and areas within myself, 1976 01:34:30,632 --> 01:34:32,376 that's why I would probably call myself British 1977 01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:33,802 over just English. 1978 01:34:33,869 --> 01:34:36,204 English. Yes. 1979 01:34:36,271 --> 01:34:37,806 Why? 1980 01:34:37,873 --> 01:34:41,944 Um... I don't really know, to be honest. 1981 01:34:42,010 --> 01:34:48,216 British is a bit, maybe, sensitive at the moment. 1982 01:34:48,283 --> 01:34:49,818 - English. - English. 1983 01:34:49,885 --> 01:34:51,887 And why so decisively? 1984 01:34:51,954 --> 01:34:54,923 Why? Because that's our origin. We are English. 1985 01:34:54,990 --> 01:34:57,159 Yep, definitely. 1986 01:34:57,225 --> 01:35:01,930 I feel I completely identify as a very British person. 1987 01:35:01,997 --> 01:35:04,800 Yes, I'm very much a proud Brit. Absolutely. 1988 01:35:05,868 --> 01:35:09,204 I'm from Monmouthshire, the border of Wales, 1989 01:35:09,271 --> 01:35:12,607 so I think I always sounded very English 1990 01:35:12,674 --> 01:35:15,210 to the Welsh people and Welsh to the English people. 1991 01:35:15,277 --> 01:35:16,644 So I think I've always had 1992 01:35:16,711 --> 01:35:18,413 a slightly mongrelised accent, so... 1993 01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:21,049 You're not born British, you have it thrust upon you. 1994 01:35:21,950 --> 01:35:24,152 I would consider myself English, 1995 01:35:24,219 --> 01:35:27,389 though my parents were both from Glasgow. 1996 01:35:27,455 --> 01:35:31,259 Yes, I think I do consider myself quintessentially English. 1997 01:35:31,326 --> 01:35:34,262 I would consider myself British. 1998 01:35:34,329 --> 01:35:36,799 The connotations of being considered English 1999 01:35:36,865 --> 01:35:39,101 are fairly negative, I still feel. 2000 01:35:39,167 --> 01:35:42,604 I am English, I am British, I am Congolese, I am Rwandan, 2001 01:35:42,670 --> 01:35:45,774 I'm a Christian, I'm black, you know, 2002 01:35:45,841 --> 01:35:49,111 I'm happy to wear that complexity with pride. 2003 01:35:49,177 --> 01:35:50,979 When people ask me where I'm from, 2004 01:35:51,046 --> 01:35:52,480 I say I'm from the Caribbean. 2005 01:35:52,547 --> 01:35:54,883 Because like I am and I'm very proud 2006 01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:57,152 to be from the Caribbean. 2007 01:35:57,219 --> 01:36:01,790 I am English and proudly English 2008 01:36:01,857 --> 01:36:06,461 and I am Irish and proudly Irish. 2009 01:36:06,528 --> 01:36:08,263 Quintessentially British, 2010 01:36:08,330 --> 01:36:09,808 I've never thought of myself as English. 2011 01:36:09,832 --> 01:36:11,433 I think we're a generation 2012 01:36:11,499 --> 01:36:14,636 that have grown up being Brits rather than... 2013 01:36:14,702 --> 01:36:16,371 English in a way. 2014 01:36:16,438 --> 01:36:18,874 If not more European. 2015 01:36:18,941 --> 01:36:20,876 I am English, I was born in England. 2016 01:36:20,943 --> 01:36:23,345 But I also consider myself British and to be honest, 2017 01:36:23,411 --> 01:36:24,947 in the current political climate, 2018 01:36:25,013 --> 01:36:26,781 I consider myself European as well. 2019 01:36:26,849 --> 01:36:30,185 I'm not allowed to say I consider myself European. 2020 01:36:30,252 --> 01:36:32,720 Delete that bit from the... 2021 01:36:35,123 --> 01:36:37,359 I consider myself British. 2022 01:36:37,425 --> 01:36:39,027 I'm Lancashire all the way through. 2023 01:36:39,094 --> 01:36:40,695 I'm Chorley all the way through. 2024 01:36:40,762 --> 01:36:43,731 We've got great sport, we've got great food. 2025 01:36:43,798 --> 01:36:47,870 Morecambe Bay Shrimps, Bury Black Pudding, 2026 01:36:47,936 --> 01:36:50,005 Uncle Joe's Mint Balls from Wigan. 2027 01:36:50,072 --> 01:36:51,940 With all this coming out of Lancashire, 2028 01:36:52,007 --> 01:36:53,208 we have so much to offer. 2029 01:36:53,275 --> 01:36:54,709 So what do I call myself? 2030 01:36:54,776 --> 01:36:56,211 A Lancastrian. 2031 01:36:56,278 --> 01:36:58,046 Proud to be a Lancastrian, 2032 01:36:58,113 --> 01:37:01,249 proud of my accent, proud of the North of England. 2033 01:37:01,316 --> 01:37:03,285 And of course, yes I'm English. 2034 01:37:03,351 --> 01:37:04,887 But I'm British as well. 2035 01:37:04,953 --> 01:37:07,522 And I represent a parliament 2036 01:37:07,589 --> 01:37:10,993 that covers the United Kingdom and that matters to me. 2037 01:37:11,059 --> 01:37:14,762 So of course, yes, I am British, I am English, 2038 01:37:14,829 --> 01:37:17,432 but I'm a true Lancastrian. 2039 01:37:17,499 --> 01:37:19,167 I was born in England. 2040 01:37:19,234 --> 01:37:21,603 I have a deep attachment to England. 2041 01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:24,606 But I want to be part of an internationalist future, 2042 01:37:24,672 --> 01:37:27,075 not an English past. 2043 01:37:27,142 --> 01:37:30,045 I spent a lot of my school days and university time being taught 2044 01:37:30,112 --> 01:37:33,248 that nationalism had been a very bad, narrow thing 2045 01:37:33,315 --> 01:37:35,017 which was now extinct. 2046 01:37:35,083 --> 01:37:39,654 And yet we now see a new brand of narrow Englishness 2047 01:37:39,721 --> 01:37:41,456 that I think is terribly sad. 2048 01:37:41,523 --> 01:37:45,293 And I think it should be possible both to celebrate a, 2049 01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:47,795 yes, quintessentially British 2050 01:37:47,862 --> 01:37:50,398 or quintessentially English occasion like this 2051 01:37:50,465 --> 01:37:54,602 without wanting to take the whole country 2052 01:37:54,669 --> 01:37:57,172 into standing on the white cliffs of Dover, 2053 01:37:57,239 --> 01:37:59,774 giving two fingers to Johnny Foreigner. 2054 01:37:59,841 --> 01:38:01,543 Okay? 2055 01:38:07,582 --> 01:38:09,451 If I go home and tell my wife 2056 01:38:09,517 --> 01:38:11,153 that I've ended up talking about spies, 2057 01:38:11,219 --> 01:38:13,088 she'll just roll her eyes completely, 2058 01:38:13,155 --> 01:38:14,722 because that's one of my... 2059 01:38:14,789 --> 01:38:16,891 I actually write spy fiction in my spare time. 2060 01:38:20,028 --> 01:38:22,497 And it bores her to tears. 2061 01:38:22,564 --> 01:38:25,233 My immediate predecessor as Master of Pembroke, 2062 01:38:25,300 --> 01:38:29,304 was Sir Richard Dearlove, who had been head of MI6, 2063 01:38:29,371 --> 01:38:34,309 known as C rather than M in the James Bond films. 2064 01:38:34,376 --> 01:38:37,345 So, yes, there have been people 2065 01:38:37,412 --> 01:38:41,516 from the world of espionage or counter-espionage here, 2066 01:38:41,583 --> 01:38:45,453 but only in an official capacity these days. 2067 01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:49,557 We did have a previous Master who was burned at the stake. 2068 01:38:49,624 --> 01:38:51,626 I hope this isn't a pattern 2069 01:38:51,693 --> 01:38:55,730 that will be repeated for present and future Masters. 2070 01:38:55,797 --> 01:38:57,532 I think Frank, it's gin o'clock, 2071 01:38:57,599 --> 01:39:00,702 so it's been so nice meeting you. 2072 01:39:00,768 --> 01:39:05,407 And then this is what we have very much enjoyed... 2073 01:39:07,542 --> 01:39:10,578 creating, making, and then drinking. 2074 01:39:10,645 --> 01:39:13,281 Mind you, it was four years of making 2075 01:39:13,348 --> 01:39:15,817 and it was nine months of tasting gin. 2076 01:39:17,252 --> 01:39:18,987 Can you think 2077 01:39:19,054 --> 01:39:21,165 of any Shakespearean expressions off the top of your head? 2078 01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:23,358 "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him well." 2079 01:39:23,425 --> 01:39:25,827 Not me. 2080 01:39:25,893 --> 01:39:27,829 - That's good, Fred, eh? - Not bad. 2081 01:39:27,895 --> 01:39:30,865 I'm educated, bruv. London taxi driver, see? 2082 01:39:30,932 --> 01:39:34,136 We know a bit about everything, a bit about everything. 2083 01:39:34,202 --> 01:39:36,404 I like to use, "Therein lies the rub," 2084 01:39:36,471 --> 01:39:38,540 when I'm often making a joke about something where, 2085 01:39:38,606 --> 01:39:40,575 you know, it just maybe doesn't work properly 2086 01:39:40,642 --> 01:39:43,045 or whatever is not a big deal. "Therein lies the rub." 2087 01:39:43,111 --> 01:39:44,711 But of course, you know, when it was used 2088 01:39:44,746 --> 01:39:46,414 in a play originally, 2089 01:39:46,481 --> 01:39:48,683 it was for a very, very tragic situation, you know, 2090 01:39:48,750 --> 01:39:50,185 probably something life and death, 2091 01:39:50,252 --> 01:39:51,853 it usually is in Shakespeare. 2092 01:39:51,919 --> 01:39:55,123 "To be, or not to be, that is the question." 2093 01:39:55,190 --> 01:39:57,925 "Wherefore art thou Romeo?" 2094 01:39:57,992 --> 01:40:02,030 "She who doth protest," you know that sometimes gets said 2095 01:40:02,097 --> 01:40:04,066 in a bit of a joking way when you're like, 2096 01:40:04,132 --> 01:40:06,801 "Well, I'm really not bothered about this, but..." 2097 01:40:06,868 --> 01:40:09,404 Personally, I didn't like Shakespeare. 2098 01:40:09,471 --> 01:40:11,273 You know, the British have Shakespeare 2099 01:40:11,339 --> 01:40:13,875 and us Chinese have Confucius. 2100 01:40:13,941 --> 01:40:17,579 "Though this is madness, there is method in it." 2101 01:40:17,645 --> 01:40:20,048 "Such sweet sorrow." 2102 01:40:20,115 --> 01:40:22,217 It's like, she sells seashells on the seashore. 2103 01:40:22,284 --> 01:40:24,686 The shells she sells are seashells, I'm sure, 2104 01:40:24,752 --> 01:40:28,390 but if she sells seashells on the seashore, 2105 01:40:28,456 --> 01:40:30,925 then I'm sure she sells seashore shells 2106 01:40:30,992 --> 01:40:34,196 and I bet Ian McKellen can't do that. 2107 01:40:37,132 --> 01:40:41,069 Shakespeare knew and said often through his characters that, 2108 01:40:41,136 --> 01:40:43,638 "All the world's a stage, 2109 01:40:43,705 --> 01:40:46,208 "and all the men and women merely players." 2110 01:40:48,210 --> 01:40:50,078 We're all acting. 158928

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