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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,560 There are a lot of allegations swirling around 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,360 about corruption in soccer. 3 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:18,800 People told us about it. 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,840 We came to see evidence of it, 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,560 but getting something sort of specific and detailed 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,880 that you could really hang your hat on as a prosecutor was a challenge. 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,880 The FBI investigation of FIFA began 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,400 before the infamous vote in 2010, 9 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,320 but in the year and a half the investigation's been open, 10 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,920 they learned very little because they haven't had this person 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,440 who can tell them what's happening. 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,680 Chuck Blazer. He's the guy they needed. 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,400 Chuck is not a whistleblower. 14 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:55,160 Chuck is a criminal who was caught in his criminality 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,680 and was deployed to capture other criminals, 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,640 and he made that deal to stay out of prison. 17 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:07,240 Part of his job is to rat out people. 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,960 Part of his job is to tell them where there's bad behavior 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,640 and who they should be looking at. 20 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,360 As we said to him, it's not for him to determine 21 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,080 if he was getting somebody in trouble. 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,240 It's for him to just cut through the, uh... the BS and get to the real facts. 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,160 People who had been his confederates in criminality, 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,320 they weren't gonna get to stick around and keep enjoying the lifestyle 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,680 to which they'd become accustomed when he was out. 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,456 Whistleblower is no longer quite the term. 27 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,880 He's singing like a canary. 28 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,680 He opens their eyes to whole new universes of corruption 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,760 that they had never really contemplated. 30 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,320 They said, "We're gonna give you a key chain." 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,520 "Just toss your keys on the table when you are having dinner with somebody 32 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,720 and that will record the conversations." 33 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,000 And he said, "That is so low-class. I wouldn't do that." 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,680 They said, "Mr. Blazer, you will do what we tell you to do." 35 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,320 The hierarchy was defined for us if you look at the ExCo, 36 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,880 and as with all enterprise investigations, 37 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,240 you wanna get to the top. 38 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,360 I would say when people are talking about the explosion in 2015, 39 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,800 it's what happened in 2011. 40 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,400 That's where everything started. 41 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,440 And I had this feeling. From 2011, I knew that we were going into a wall. 42 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,000 - Next, please. - Mr. President? 43 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,960 Listen, gentlemen, we are not in a bazaar here. 44 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,080 We're in the FIFA house, so please don't intervene. 45 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:00,640 When I was asked to help FIFA establish a governance program 46 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,560 that was worthy of this century, 47 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:06,480 FIFA had been battered by then, uh, by bad press 48 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,840 because there'd been scandal after scandal, dating back for years. 49 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:13,640 The allegations of corruption swirling, well, pretty much everywhere. 50 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,360 Jack Warner, who was at the center of bribery accusations, has resigned. 51 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,320 There's been so many corruption scandals. 52 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,440 It's astonishing, just some of the allegations. 53 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,720 At that point, Sepp Blatter just decided 54 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:30,400 that he needed to do something in order to, um, gain the narrative back. 55 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:37,360 Now we are going into a new period of the FIFA transparency. 56 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,520 Zero tolerance. It's for everybody. 57 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,840 There was the strong sense, and it was pitched this way, 58 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,160 that it's going to stop now, "Enough." 59 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,760 "You need to tell us what we need to do 60 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,720 to make sure we can salvage our reputation and... and pull out of this patch." 61 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,920 The new Ethic Committee will have the possibility 62 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,920 to initiate investigation in case of credible allegations. 63 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,720 My absolute expectation was that FIFA was sincere 64 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,680 in improving its governance, 65 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,480 but I didn't realize, uh, how much of a monarch he was. 66 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,200 The congress in 2011, when I have been re-elected, 67 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:23,120 has decided three different matters. 68 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:24,880 Transparency in finances, 69 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,280 improve organization of the Ethics Committee, 70 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,600 and the third one, to have a better governance. 71 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,680 It's sufficient to have the controls from within FIFA? 72 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,720 You don't want to bring independent bodies from the outside? 73 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,880 We have independent, uh, chairs, chairmen on these committees I just mentioned. 74 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,080 They are totally independent chairmen. 75 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,080 - Paid by FIFA? - Uh, paid by FIFA, nat... naturally. 76 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,160 Nobody is working free of charge nowadays in professional football. 77 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,880 That's... that's not possible. 78 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,320 The Independent Governance Committee, 79 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:04,800 our first meeting was in Zurich at headquarters. 80 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:06,720 Very strange place. 81 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,400 The boardroom feels very bunker-ish, 82 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,920 and I remember just taking a seat 83 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,000 and people sort of sucking in their breath because I had... I... I sat in his seat. 84 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:22,200 It wasn't like there was a throne or an elevated chair 85 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:25,640 or it looked in any way different, but it was a seat that nobody can sit in 86 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,440 because it was... it was his. 87 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,200 There's a very rigid hierarchy. 88 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,720 There are a couple of people at or very near the top, 89 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,040 and they are largely unquestioned. 90 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,400 Blatter used to like to say, "We keep it in the football family." 91 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,000 "It's nobody's business." 92 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,080 "Uh, we are more private about financial things here in Switzerland." 93 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,720 This is a nonprofit organization. Where's the accountability? 94 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,640 What stops a few key people 95 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,480 right at the top of an organization like FIFA 96 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,280 from giving each other raises and enormous bonuses? 97 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:08,360 You know, it is easy to control football when it's played on the field 98 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,080 because you have a referee, you have a time limit, 99 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,520 and you have boundaries. 100 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,320 But outside the field of play, 101 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:15,760 you have no referee, 102 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:19,440 you have no, uh, time limit, and you have no boundaries. 103 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,920 Thank you. Thank you so much. 104 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,281 - Thank you, Al Jazeera. - Much appreciated. 105 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,000 Chuck was the first cooperator, 106 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,720 but we had a number of cooperating witnesses after that. 107 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,000 Our maths is very easy. 108 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,760 We give three to Brazil, 109 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,520 three to Argentina, and three to the president. 110 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,720 And a million and a half to seven presidents. 111 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,880 - Seven? - Seven presidents. 112 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,520 - A million and a half. - Why? 113 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,600 Because there is a country to which we do not give anything. 114 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,560 Because he's honest. 115 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,080 Who can be hurt by this deal? 116 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,560 Everyone! We will all end up in jail! Everyone. You. Me. 117 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,680 Jack Warner was right up there in the top three 118 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,440 of people they were most eager to get. 119 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,440 Because of his relationship with Blazer, 120 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,720 they had an enormous amount of documentary evidence of corruption 121 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,520 on Jack Warner's sons. 122 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,160 They were laundering money for him throughout the world, 123 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,400 particularly in the US. 124 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,320 We went to their condominium. 125 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:20,640 It was early in the morning. 126 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,280 We knew that Jack Warner was gonna be in the country at the time. 127 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,080 Basically woke them up, arrested them. 128 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,560 And while FBI agents are handcuffing his sons, 129 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,440 they say to him, "Listen, Jack, 130 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,440 this is your opportunity to get your sons off the hook." 131 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,120 He was a high-ranking government official in Trinidad at the time. 132 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,040 They couldn't legally arrest him 133 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,240 without special diplomatic permission, which they didn't have. 134 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,280 He looked them in the eye and wished his sons the best of luck, 135 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,160 and hopes they get a good lawyer, 136 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,400 but he's not gonna help anybody do anything. 137 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:07,320 And with that, I declare open the 62nd FIFA Congress 138 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,080 here in Budapest, 2012. 139 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,760 - Welcome to Budapest. Thank you. - Thank you. 140 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,400 FIFA President Sepp Blatter was there 141 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,840 to tell delegates that the organization is involved in a reform process. 142 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,000 This year, the countries of North and Central America 143 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,280 and the Caribbean, which make up CONCACAF, 144 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,320 had the important task of installing the fourth president 145 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,840 in their confederation's 49-year history. 146 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,560 Jeffrey Webb, a 47-year-old banker from the Cayman Islands, 147 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,960 immediately emphasized the subject on which he'd campaigned. 148 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,480 We're not a perfect family. We are a family. 149 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,800 And in every family, we have problems, we have issues, 150 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,800 and how you get through those issues is we work our way through them. 151 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,360 You're coming off of this major scandal. 152 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,000 Scandal after scandal after scandal, 153 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,960 and here comes Jeffrey Webb. 154 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,520 We must move the clouds and allow the sunshine in. 155 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,480 Charismatic, very charismatic, 156 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:10,600 has the ability to calm the waters 157 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:14,000 and to save the day and turn CONCACAF around. 158 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,640 But we have a responsibility to make sure 159 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:21,600 that the past will never be repeated. 160 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,280 He was groomed. 161 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,440 He had all the backing from FIFA that he needed. 162 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,120 He knew full well what he was going into. 163 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,480 Jeff Webb, as soon as he had got his feet under the table at CONCACAF, 164 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:44,040 had immediately started asking for bribes. 165 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,240 Jeff wants 15. 166 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,240 Then it ended up being 12. 167 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:50,720 Welcome, Jeffrey Webb. 168 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,680 How much went to the CONMEBOL people? 169 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:53,840 Ended up being ten. 170 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,840 Turns out that Jeffrey Webb was every bit as corrupt as Jack Warner was before him. 171 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,720 He was every bit as dirty. Jeffrey Webb was demanding 10 million, 15 million. 172 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,320 He wanted gigantic bribes. 173 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,440 And we were just amazed to watch people slotting into roles, 174 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,440 committing crimes themselves, and it was just astonishing to us, 175 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:21,120 but also gave us a sense of the... the scale of what we were up against. 176 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:30,920 There were undoubtedly people who absolutely knew 177 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,120 what they were doing was wrong, and they did it anyway. 178 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,360 But I think over time, 179 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,840 the lines between right and wrong had been blurred. 180 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,840 You would have people seeing it as perhaps, 181 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,640 "That is the rules of engagement." 182 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,280 First of all, Alexandra Wrage, sitting on my right side, 183 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,800 is here as a specialist on integrity checks. 184 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,480 The congress itself was just such a strange... strange event. 185 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:06,040 Lavish and... and sort of decorated with women dressed in long gowns, 186 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,240 standing very still as if they were statues, 187 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,760 and it was very, um, disconcerting. 188 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,920 Just the excess around FIFA continued to... 189 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,800 to startle me all the way through. 190 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,680 Who wouldn't enjoy that lifestyle in an ongoing way? 191 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,840 The question is, what are you willing to do to stay committed to it? 192 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,360 Qatar Airways has three flights a day into Kathmandu. 193 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:55,480 Many passengers are Nepalese workers taking a break 194 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:58,680 from World Cup-related construction jobs in Doha. 195 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,400 Outside Arrivals, this woman waits for her husband. 196 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,280 It will not be a joyous reunion. 197 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,360 When he left for Qatar six months ago, she was his wife. 198 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,760 Today, she's his widow. 199 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,040 Because the World Cup is on, 200 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,720 the workers will have now better conditions, 201 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,400 not only in Qatar, 202 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,400 but in all the Arabic countries, 203 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,920 thanks to the World Cup. 204 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:36,360 The Indian and Nepalese embassies suggest 205 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:41,440 that well over a thousand guest workers have died in the last two years. 206 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,920 But in no way can FIFA accept 207 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,960 to be responsible for the welfare of... of, uh, workers. 208 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,080 They belong, uh, to commercial and industrial companies 209 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,320 of other countries. 210 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,720 We couldn't do that. 211 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,920 Thank you for the question. I like that. 212 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,080 Thank you so much. Thank you. 213 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,080 Fifty-two hundred. 214 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,200 That's not the number of fans or players or sponsorship benefactors. 215 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,360 Fifty-two hundred is the number of workers expected to die 216 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,480 building the infrastructure for the games by 2022. 217 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,256 It is unacceptable for any major event to be built 218 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,560 on the bloods of innocents. 219 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,600 End of story. That is as simple as it goes. 220 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:25,720 The perception in the outside world, sir, 221 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,400 is that that is exactly what's happening here. 222 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,680 And that is... that is a wrongful perception. 223 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,800 To start off with, World Cup-related... World Cup projects are... 224 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,600 there is no deaths and no fatalities that occurred on them. 225 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:38,360 No stadiums have been built yet. 226 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,720 We're starting to build them. 227 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,200 But lots of people have died in other projects. 228 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,400 And there are steps being taken towards resolving that as well. 229 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,800 I'm not embarrassed of saying that when we started off, 230 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,360 the situation was horrendous. 231 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:52,280 Plain and simple. 232 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,440 But one of the legacy objectives of this tournament 233 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,320 is reforming the working conditions and the labor reforms in the country. 234 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,200 We have the desire to fix. We have the intention to fix. 235 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,160 It's not a PR stunt. That's the fundamental part. 236 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,400 When FIFA held their own investigation, 237 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,520 which was done by the former New York prosecutor Michael Garcia, 238 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,760 and people expected a real bombshell, 239 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,560 but they gave the Qatari bid a clean bill of health. 240 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,720 FIFA's own Ethics Committee launched an investigation 241 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:30,800 into these claims, 242 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,680 but there now seem to be conflicting views on the final report. 243 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,880 Mr. Garcia has now disowned the report. 244 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,080 I don't think you can take this report seriously now, 245 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,080 because we did early this morning when it was published, 246 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,960 and then suddenly the person who'd done the investigation disowned it. 247 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,080 Just hours after the report was published, 248 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,160 Michael Garcia, the man who spent two years on the investigation, 249 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,280 branded the report "erroneous," and said he would appeal to FIFA. 250 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,360 The tone at the top. 251 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,440 What an institution like FIFA needs is leadership. 252 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,720 Leadership that sends a message that the rules apply to everyone. 253 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,920 Leadership that wants to understand and learn from any mistakes or missteps 254 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,600 the Ethics Committee may identify. 255 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:21,120 It is that kind of leadership that breathes life into a code of ethics 256 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,080 because true reform comes from changing the culture of the organization. 257 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,640 As the Independent Governance Committee, 258 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,720 we had a long list of proposals that we had made. 259 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:42,200 You know, how, uh, salaries are set and how new members are elected, 260 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,280 whether the president should have an age limit or a term limit, 261 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,000 standard governance issues, 262 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,240 and we... we weren't getting very far with them. 263 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,120 And we were at another meeting, 264 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,760 and a recommendation came down again from Blatter 265 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,800 that the group start wrapping up, 266 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,040 that it spend less money and less time. 267 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,200 What became clear to me was that it was a whitewash, a PR stunt, 268 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,760 and, um, then I was out. 269 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,800 I had not ever been involved in a situation 270 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,960 as cynical as this turned out to be. 271 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:36,080 Sepp Blatter started getting consumed by his own greed, 272 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,800 his own ambition to stay in power. 273 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,800 He... he had agreed to leave the seat to Michel Platini, 274 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,920 then people convinced him otherwise. 275 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,240 At some point, he started being delusional 276 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,920 and wanted to win the Nobel Peace Prize. 277 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,960 He was hallucinating that he's going to bring peace in the Middle East. 278 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,240 It's quite insane, um, to... to be in this position. 279 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,200 You have such a potential impact because football is so important 280 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,440 in term of, uh, what it means in countries 281 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,760 and how it help countries to go through good things, bad things, etcetera. 282 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,960 FIFA is just beyond everything. 283 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,440 The FIFA president is in the same group of people 284 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:30,760 as the head of state. 285 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,240 I think it is a recognition, not only for my name. 286 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:39,960 It is a recognition of FIFA, 287 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,520 the recognition what FIFA is doing all around the world. 288 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,360 I don't think there's a single day I was not pinching myself 289 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,440 by thinking, "No, no, no, it's a dream." 290 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,120 Maybe Blatter was the only one thinking that it could be forever. 291 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:07,120 Sepp Blatter, he was a master operator, and he was determined to stay in charge. 292 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,440 Blatter promises continuity and that he'll keep the development money coming, 293 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,360 and there is essentially no reforms, 294 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,720 and Blatter becomes absolutely consummate 295 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,280 at the external politics, 296 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:25,880 which is about how FIFA relates and flourishes in the world. 297 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,480 This is shake hands for peace. 298 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,520 I have spoken with Prime Minister Netanyahu 299 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,520 to organize in months, 300 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,400 in a year, whatever, but the will is there, 301 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:43,160 to organize a football match for peace 302 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,320 between Palestine and, uh, Israel, 303 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,280 and we organize it in Zurich. 304 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:50,920 Uh, he will be there, 305 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,040 and he said he will shake hands with everybody. 306 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,720 Between 2011 and 2015, 307 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,840 it became too much, 308 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,040 in term of financial power and in term of political power. 309 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,640 And Blatter is responsible for that. 310 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,840 Having a life as if nothing has happened, 311 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,960 supporting reforms, 312 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,960 but in the meantime, you are not reforming yourself. 313 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,200 They just try to put some painting on the wall to make it look better, 314 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,120 but at the end, it was exactly the same. 315 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,880 People were just not able to, uh, to... to stop them. 316 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,760 It's true that he was close to the... to the sun. 317 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,520 We were, in a way, close to the sun, 318 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,240 and that's where I would say FIFA died. 319 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,840 The Justice Department's case against FIFA is evolving in secret, 320 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,640 but they're making incredible traction. 321 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,880 They're building what becomes, in their opinion, 322 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,560 a watertight case showing widespread corruption 323 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,000 throughout world soccer. 324 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,560 Among the most important allegations they make 325 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,400 is the $10 million paid by South Africa in the name of the diaspora fund 326 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,840 to Jack Warner and to Chuck Blazer. 327 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,600 That's documented. They have it proved. 328 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,160 They write it in black and white in a way no one's done before. 329 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,280 The $10 million African diaspora fund. 330 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:33,320 There could hardly be a more valid cause, and there was never any legacy program. 331 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,600 It was a bribe to vote for South Africa. 332 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,520 Blazer pleaded guilty to that. 333 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,320 That's in an actual document 334 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,640 that Chuck Blazer signed and pleaded guilty to. 335 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,800 Obviously, Jack Warner denies, and it's never come to trial, 336 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,120 but that accusation is... is there 337 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,240 in black and white in the criminal indictment 338 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,160 and in Chuck Blazer's guilty plea. 339 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,600 When Blazer pled guilty in a sealed courtroom, 340 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,200 that, I think, brought home to me, 341 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,640 if we were doing this with the doors open, 342 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,120 this would be, um, an enormous moment. 343 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,600 The racketeering conspiracy crime 344 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,160 that he pled guilty to, 345 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,640 we knew someday we were going to put into an indictment 346 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,000 and go arrest people. 347 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,320 Jeffrey, is this election gonna be a foregone conclusion on Friday? 348 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,400 There's gonna be an election. Someone's gonna win. 349 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,400 It's gonna be Sepp Blatter, isn't it? 350 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,880 I don't know. You're telling me. 351 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,400 You're the expert. I think the election is great for FIFA. It's good for FIFA. 352 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,520 Why do you still think Sepp Blatter is right for football 353 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,880 and it's not time for change? 354 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,400 I didn't tell you I thought that. So, goodbye! 355 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,000 I can remember very well driving across the Brooklyn Bridge into Manhattan 356 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,040 to go to FBI headquarters 357 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:17,080 to wait for the news coming in from Switzerland. 358 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,720 The sort of calm before the storm, 359 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,680 buzzing with the excitement of this moment right before. 360 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,520 We had indicted 14 people. 361 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,600 We had no idea how many we would be able to arrest on that day. 362 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,120 May 27th, 2015. 363 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,240 It was like something out of a film script. 364 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,520 I remember waking up and initially seeing a missed call, 365 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,960 and then seeing a couple of text messages, 366 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,680 and then seeing some WhatsApps, and then going on social media. 367 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:55,120 Suddenly, the reality is coming, uh, just smashing in your face. 368 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,160 I got a call telling me that the FBI came in. 369 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,000 And a number of people have been arrested, including Jeffrey Webb and other members. 370 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,040 I called Jeffrey Webb's wife, and I will never forget. 371 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:11,040 She said that the guy said to Jeffrey, 372 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:14,240 "You can hug your son because you will not see him for a very long time." 373 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,360 The FBI goes after FIFA. 374 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,160 Arrests happening right now over corruption allegations 375 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,120 involving the world football's governing body. 376 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,640 Corruption crackdown going down right now. 377 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,520 Swiss police, we understand, raided one of the main FIFA hotels. 378 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,080 There was little bits of information coming out here and there. 379 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,320 And then you see the pictures of the ExCo members 380 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,320 being led out of the Baur au Lac shrouded in... in bedsheets. 381 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,320 Fourteen people are actually implicated 382 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,080 in widespread, systemic corruption. 383 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:57,920 Some of the most important men in world football were arrested. 384 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:04,760 One of the men who has been taken away is the president of CONCACAF, Jeffrey Webb. 385 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,680 You really couldn't believe it, 386 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,680 but then the pieces of the jigsaw fit together. 387 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,720 It was tremendously exciting hearing the news 388 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,280 that one and then two and three and four had been arrested, 389 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,840 and I couldn't believe it was finally happening. 390 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,880 Sepp Blatter isn't among those arrested, 391 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,000 but this afternoon presides over a governing body in crisis. 392 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,600 It was really exciting, but it also didn't last that long 393 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,880 because I had to get home and try to sleep for a couple of hours 394 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,280 before the press conference the next morning. 395 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,720 The Department of Justice held a video press conference in New York. 396 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,960 Such an astonishing day in FIFA history, in football history... 397 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,000 Alex, I'm just going to interrupt you. 398 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,480 Loretta Lynch has just stepped up to the podium. 399 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,560 Good morning, everyone. Thank you all for being here today. 400 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,520 The 14 defendants charged in the indictment we are unsealing today 401 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,840 include high-ranking officials of FIFA. 402 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,560 Two generations of soccer officials used their positions of trust 403 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,800 to solicit bribes to decide who would televise games, 404 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,520 where the games would be held, 405 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,480 and who would run the organization overseeing organized soccer worldwide. 406 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:24,080 When the FBI and the DOJ and the IRS finally deliver in 2015 to the public 407 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,680 the fruits of this investigation, 408 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,720 it's a stunning laundry list of corruption at every level. 409 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,560 They didn't put out one thing. They put out hundreds of things. 410 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,600 This really is the World Cup of fraud, 411 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,880 and today, we are issuing FIFA a red card. 412 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,000 The first time you read the indictment, 413 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,360 it's like a tidal wave hits. 414 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,360 You're getting punched every different direction. 415 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,400 You got these people, senior people, accused of bribery and corruption. 416 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,720 All of these defendants abused the US financial system... 417 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,960 I think it was the scale of it that shocked and surprised so many people. 418 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,880 I would put it in the same category as Lance Armstrong or Oscar Pistorius 419 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,920 or the Russian doping scandal. 420 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,640 They were expected to uphold the rules that keep soccer honest 421 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,280 and to protect the integrity of the game. 422 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:16,680 Instead, they corrupted the business of worldwide soccer 423 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,440 to serve their interests and to enrich themselves. 424 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,680 I'm getting phone calls and questions from my news colleagues. 425 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,720 Suddenly, sport set the news agenda. 426 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:33,400 The US authorities suspect those arrested of taking part in a 24-year scheme 427 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,560 to enrich themselves... 428 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,760 The way Loretta Lynch and Jim Comey talked about FIFA, 429 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,000 they used charges that normally are associated with the Mafia 430 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,080 or, uh, Mexican drug cartels. 431 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,960 The game was hijacked. 432 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,920 This hijacking is being met 433 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,280 with a very aggressive prosecutorial response 434 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,200 in order to change behavior. 435 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,400 This investigation has been long and painstaking, and it is not over. 436 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,400 The US is vowing this is only the beginning 437 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,560 to rid the nonprofit organization, 438 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,040 in charge of the most popular sport in the world, of corruption. 439 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:06,400 Whoa, wait. Hold on. 440 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,440 You're not just saying these people did it. 441 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,960 You might be suggesting FIFA's responsible for this. 442 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,520 And if that's the case, 443 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,720 that's a potential planet-killing event, uh, for FIFA. 444 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,800 Wow. It's... It was... 445 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,000 It was incredible. It was, uh, shameful. 446 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,800 Uh, it was unbelievable. 447 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,480 The impact of these arrests, of these images, was just disastrous. 448 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,600 I mean, FIFA became toxic. 449 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,800 FIFA became a... a criminal organization. 450 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,920 UEFA is deeply shocked and saddened by them. 451 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,880 These events show once again 452 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,840 that corruption is deeply rooted in FIFA's culture. 453 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:54,520 I feel let down. I'm sickened and fed up. 454 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,840 Enough is enough. 455 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,360 Clearly, if these things were true, 456 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,960 there was a big problem at the heart of how FIFA was operating. 457 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,000 The buck stops somewhere, and Blatter and Valcke had been in place, 458 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,000 especially Blatter, for a long time. 459 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:14,400 It's like the end of the world. That's the feeling you have. It's... 460 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,600 The organization will just collapse. 461 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:18,920 You are not anymore in control, 462 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,640 and the system will just smash you in... in pieces. 463 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,120 Sepp Blatter wasn't charged himself by the US authorities 464 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,320 with any corruption himself. 465 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,760 But you're talking about people 466 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:48,400 that he'd sat round the most senior table at FIFA with for decades 467 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,280 and had been his allies as well. 468 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,560 Will you resign, Mr. Blatter? 469 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,480 FIFA's invisible man shows his face at last. 470 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,720 Sepp Blatter may be on the brink, 471 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,880 but it's clear he's planning to brazen it out. 472 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,800 The Americans, they wanted absolutely my head, 473 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120 but they have realized I was not the man 474 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,760 who organized corruption with the members of the ExCo. 475 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,960 The bribery, the kickbacks, the pay-to-play, so to speak, 476 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,800 in order to get contracts, 477 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,280 none of that would have happened without the... 478 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,920 the interaction that these executives had at FIFA, 479 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,120 the various hierarchies and rules at FIFA. 480 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,920 These are... unprecedented 481 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,680 and difficult times for FIFA. 482 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,360 I'm sure more bad news may follow, 483 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,080 but it is necessary 484 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,840 to begin to restore trust 485 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,720 in our organization. 486 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,080 There was just a lot of shock, 487 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:10,320 and people were stunned by the words that were being used. 488 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,160 You know, when you're talking about corruption and fraud 489 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,960 and the FBI and the attorney general, 490 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,200 there's no way this election can take place. 491 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,040 Will Sepp Blatter survive? That's a question on everyone's mind. 492 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,600 But because it was FIFA, because it was Sepp Blatter, 493 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,360 it wasn't surprising, and it added to the drama. 494 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,760 - I want the right person. - Is that Mr. Blatter or Prince Ali? 495 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,120 Everybody knows that one. 496 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,960 Mr. Blatter has done well for Africa. He has done well for Africa. 497 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,480 They love Blatter because Blatter put some of the countries on the map. 498 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,880 Before, I was really proud to be a member of the ExCo of FIFA. 499 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,040 You cannot be proud at that moment. 500 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,240 When I heard that the accusations of corruption 501 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,480 towards some people were concrete, I really became angry. 502 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,560 And I always said then, "If one of us is corrupt, we all are," 503 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,480 and that is precisely what happened. 504 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,240 I'm being blamed for this storm. 505 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,400 Well, fine, then. 506 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,480 Fine! I'll take the responsibility. 507 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,040 I think he had just reached the point 508 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,120 where he believed in his own invulnerability. 509 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,200 I'm with you, and simply... 510 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,240 ...simply, I'd like to stay with you. 511 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,280 I just want to stay with you. 512 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,520 I want to continue with you. 513 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,960 People were arrested, and they were walked out of the hotel, 514 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,240 some of them with sheets over their heads like common criminals. 515 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,000 France, booth one. 516 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,840 And then the football associations around the world 517 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,920 went ahead and re-elected Sepp Blatter like nothing had happened. 518 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,600 Mr. Blatter is elected FIFA president 519 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,680 for the term of 2015-2019. 520 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,680 With all eyes on FIFA, 521 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,440 the most powerful man in football, Sepp Blatter, 522 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,720 has won a fifth term as president of that organization. 523 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,000 Sepp Blatter was the Godfather of football. 524 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,680 To be elected five times as... as president, 525 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,800 to have reigned at FIFA 526 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,440 from 1998 until 2015. 527 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,160 And in his eyes, and I think so many other people's eyes, 528 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,040 he was untouchable. 529 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,600 But he was the man 530 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,520 who was head at what was without doubt the most turbulent, 531 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,040 darkest period in... in FIFA's history. 532 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:15,440 And if you are the person who has been head of an organization, 533 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,160 you are culpable to some degree. 534 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,120 But this is Sepp Blatter, and this was FIFA. 535 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:30,000 The Department of Justice had questions about what FIFA was all about 536 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:31,960 because there was this pivot. 537 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,520 "Are we a criminal organization, or are we a victim?" 538 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,000 You know, from their perspective, maybe it is a Mafia-style organization. 539 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,480 Marco Villiger, the chief legal officer, 540 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,880 who's really the person who hired us and also supervised us, 541 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,680 he was not remotely associated with any of the issues. 542 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,480 To their credit, FIFA gave Marco full authority 543 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:59,000 to do what he thought was necessary to comply with FIFA's legal obligations 544 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,680 and to make sure that FIFA survives. 545 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,200 One of the things we had to do was educate the authorities, 546 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,160 especially the US authorities, about what FIFA really was. 547 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,280 DOJ wanted us to show, not tell, 548 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,400 through really two things. 549 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,800 One was extensive, absolute cooperation. 550 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,520 Huge numbers of documents and information. 551 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,480 But there's also a broader question about management of FIFA. 552 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,560 Can the management that had run the place before 553 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,400 continue to run it when you're trying to reform it? 554 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,960 There's only so much that even Sepp Blatter can brazen out. 555 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,240 He came under absolutely intolerable pressure. 556 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,920 The elections are over. 557 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,920 Despite the fact that the FIFA members have elected me again, 558 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,880 this result doesn't have the support of the football world, 559 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,800 which is why I have decided to lay down my mandate 560 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,480 at an extraordinary elective congress. 561 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,040 Thank you for your attention. 562 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,840 Breaking news now. 563 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,240 FIFA President Sepp Blatter is resigning 564 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,080 from his position, even despite his recent re-election. 565 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:30,680 Amanda, what a stunning turn of events from a man who appeared to see himself 566 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,000 as above all the controversy just last week. 567 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,880 Very quickly, Sepp Blatter had a change of heart, 568 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,760 which I don't think anybody really saw coming. 569 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,600 I felt that, you know, uh, 570 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,720 that this... this was a judgement from the... from the God, you know. 571 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,400 Uh, because he did a lot of things 572 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,560 to damage me, to damage my reputation. 573 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,080 So, I'm thinking that God accepted my prayers. 574 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,800 This is for North Korea 2026. 575 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,680 Oh, okay. But, uh... 576 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,200 But he paid the... the price in 2015. 577 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,760 - Where is my security? Come on. - I think we've just sealed the deal. 578 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,200 Here we go, Sepp. Thanks. 579 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,960 Okay, Sepp, it's all there, as discussed. Thank you. 580 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,840 Blatter may be going, but it won't be quietly. 581 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,120 He wanted to go out of the front door on his own terms 582 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,600 and not be thrown out the back door 583 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,280 or be led out of the door with a sheet over his head. 584 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,600 He said he was going to step aside, but was going to be in place long enough 585 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,120 to oversee the election of his successor. 586 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,720 So many had failed to dethrone Blatter 587 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,720 that the question was, who is left after all the allegations of corruption, 588 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,960 and who is actually a realistic presidential candidate? 589 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,480 What happened then was that, of course, 590 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,640 Michel Platini was the candidate of UEFA and of European football 591 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,560 to become the new president of FIFA 592 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,800 because Mr. Blatter had decided to withdraw. 593 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,360 So, we are all supporting Michel Platini at the time, 594 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,000 and all, uh, you know, 595 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,600 hoping that he would bring the new wind that FIFA needed. 596 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,440 It was very important to have a replacement 597 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,760 who had credibility across the board, right? 598 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,800 As somebody who was not seen as a creature of the prior, uh, regime. 599 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,120 That was critical because you don't get a second bite at this apple. 600 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,400 For Platini, when he saw Blatter floored, 601 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,320 uh, everything seemed to be a formality and he would become FIFA president. 602 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,080 But... There was always gonna be a "but." 603 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,040 That is when the... the leak emerged of this disloyal payment, 604 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,600 as, uh, it has become known, 605 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:16,880 between Blatter and Michel Platini. 606 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,960 And then... 607 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,840 and then started another... another... 608 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,520 another... 609 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,360 The Swiss, uh, attorney... 610 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,760 The Swiss, they have received, uh, information 611 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:40,040 that has happened in 2011 that I... I paid, uh... 612 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,120 uh, whatever, two million, uh, to Michel Platini. 613 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:56,120 In 2011, there was a frustration that Blatter kept staying on. 614 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,680 Platini was obviously lining himself up to go from UEFA to FIFA, 615 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:03,760 and people thought 616 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,240 that he might do it in 2011 and he might challenge Sepp Blatter. 617 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,760 But for him to get a two million Swiss franc payment 618 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,960 from Blatter's FIFA just before that... 619 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,360 Platini literally sent in an invoice. It was a printed invoice. 620 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,720 And it was then paid through the books of FIFA 621 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,360 just before Blatter was due to stand again. 622 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,600 It's just a terrible look. 623 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,040 I was shocked. I was shocked. 624 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:39,160 Then, uh, they have immediately opened a case against me 625 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:42,360 and nobody added what generally they do, 626 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,920 uh, that, uh... 627 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,960 uh, he's innocent until, uh... 628 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,760 until declared guilty. 629 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,040 Nobody has ever mentioned that. 630 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:57,880 If everybody else who stole a bicycle, they will say that, but not for me. 631 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,680 FIFA President Sepp Blatter 632 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,400 and his possible successor, UEFA chief Michel Platini, 633 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,960 have been provisionally suspended for 90 days 634 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,480 by the global football body's Ethics Committee. 635 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,120 This morning, its Ethics Committee, 636 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,440 which Blatter actually set up, 637 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,240 said they were suspending him 638 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,880 and his potential successor, Michel Platini. 639 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,960 And we get told that the payment 640 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,080 is for money Blatter had promised Platini 641 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,400 when he was working for FIFA in 2002, 642 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,320 but never got round to giving him. 643 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,760 Finally, he'd given him two million Swiss francs 644 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:46,160 to provide him with the balance nine years after he finished the work. 645 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,960 This news broke after the arrests in Zurich, 646 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,720 an environment where people were being criminally charged with, 647 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,960 and some people were pleading guilty, of bribes and kickbacks. 648 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,640 Actually, it isn't the same, 649 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,760 but I think part of what they were charged with under the FIFA code 650 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,800 was conflict of interest. 651 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,040 It's against your duty of loyalty 652 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,600 to the organization that you're working for. 653 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:30,160 And this was the moment, really, when there was, in an official document, 654 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:34,160 a payment being made for Sepp Blatter. 655 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:38,640 It felt like the nail in his coffin, really. 656 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,920 Sepp Blatter and the European soccer boss Michel Platini have both been banned 657 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,520 from soccer for eight years 658 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,680 by the Ethics Committee of football's global governing body. 659 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,560 He said he was sorry, though mainly for himself. 660 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,120 I am now suspended eight years. 661 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,320 Suspended eight years. But I will fight. 662 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,000 I will fight for me, and I will fight for FIFA. 663 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,320 Suspended eight years for what? 664 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,480 The decision means Blatter's 17 years at the helm of world soccer 665 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,800 will end in disgrace. 666 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,880 That's what caused Blatter's fall. 667 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,400 Not all the other things, not the arrests, not the US indictment. 668 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,440 That is what led to Sepp Blatter being banned as well. 669 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,440 Sepp built the new FIFA headquarters as his home. 670 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,040 Nobody believed that, um, Sepp will move out of the FIFA house. 671 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,640 Uh, and his departure was a disaster for, you know, for some. 672 00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:00,240 Mr. Platini was then eventually suspended. 673 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,000 The UEFA Executive Committee met, 674 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:09,240 and, uh, they decided unanimously to ask me whether I would be running, 675 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,440 pending what will happen with the suspension of Michel Platini. 676 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,760 At that time, we were all convinced he will be back, 677 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,600 and then he's the candidate, and, uh, that's it. 678 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,400 For Platini, 679 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,840 Infantino is a kind of football civil servant. 680 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,080 He didn't see Infantino's ambitions. 681 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,560 He didn't understand them or see them coming. 682 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,240 Infantino decided he doesn't want to remain general secretary all his life, 683 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,600 and he had a role model right there, Blatter. 684 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:42,520 They come from Swiss villages ten kilometers away from each other. 685 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,040 When Infantino came to see Platini to tell him, 686 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,240 "While you're suspended, I'll be a candidate, 687 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,760 and if you ever come back, I'll let you have the job back," 688 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,040 Platini is naive enough to believe it. 689 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,960 There's no criminal investigation. 690 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,680 Can you guarantee the World Cups will be played in Russia and Qatar, 691 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:07,880 or is it too early to say? 692 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,240 I mean, yes, yes, now, I... 693 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,520 Today, if you ask me the question... twenty to eight, 694 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,320 yes, the World Cup will be played in Russia and in Qatar. 695 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,720 If it would be one wave, it would be okay, 696 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,680 but for me, it was week after week or month after month something more. 697 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,000 Jérôme Valcke, the secretary general of FIFA, 698 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,080 has been suspended. 699 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,040 Soccer's world governing body said it had been made aware 700 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,120 of a series of allegations involving the secretary general. 701 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,080 The 54-year-old has been put on leave 702 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,680 and released from his duties until further notice. 703 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,440 I have no feeling that we did anything wrong, 704 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,240 but we are in a world where everything has to be perfect, 705 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,320 and we were not perfect. 706 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,360 I have never, never, uh, never taken any money. 707 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,840 I have never asked money also. 708 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,200 I have never asked FIFA to give me more. 709 00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:58,320 They gave it. 710 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,960 If you want to run FIFA with the ethics code, good luck. 711 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,680 I'm not sure you can do that. 712 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,320 I mean, that's not the real world. 713 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,880 The Russian Football Federation has also said it'll back Infantino, 714 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,080 who is currently UEFA's general secretary. 715 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,160 Done everything what needs to be done? 716 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,760 I still have time, but I've done already quite a lot, yes. 717 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:23,880 Very well. 718 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,720 - How's it going? - Thank you. Very, very, very, very well. 719 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,680 Okay? Thank you very much. 720 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,680 The number of votes for Gianni is 115. 721 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,320 Congratulations, Mr. Gianni Infantino. 722 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,040 Platini understood, after Infantino was elected president, 723 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,800 that Infantino was an enemy 724 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,600 and hadn't been an ally for a very long time. 725 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,360 He was in the right place at the right time 726 00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,520 with the right friends. 727 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,856 I accept this election, Mr. President. 728 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,040 - Good, thanks. - Oof! 729 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,120 So, when Infantino, uh, won the election... 730 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,520 The destiny. 731 00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:17,040 The fate. Everything happens for a reason. 732 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,960 Al-Qadr, as the Arabs say. 733 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,520 ...one of the first things he did was gesture widely and say... 734 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,040 The money of FIFA is your money. 735 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:28,960 It's not the money of the FIFA president. 736 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,440 And what we understand from that 737 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,480 is that the abiding quid pro quos and status quo 738 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,840 that gave them money is gonna remain in place. 739 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,320 You interpreted it that way because you have a... a wrong mindset 740 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,240 about... about me or about FIFA, uh, at that time. 741 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:47,800 When I say... 742 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,016 FIFA had just gone through that enormous scandal. 743 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,440 Absolutely. Absolutely. 744 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,560 So, the mindset was fashioned by what had happened. 745 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,440 You're right. You're absolutely right. 746 00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,440 And the money of FIFA has to serve for the development of football 747 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,120 and not for any... anything else, and if you... 748 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:08,480 I meant that money is the money of football, of football development, 749 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,360 of all of you who have to develop football in your country. 750 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,680 It's not money of a few people. 751 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,240 Don't misappropriate that money. 752 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,080 Use it where you have to use it. 753 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:18,480 Canada, Mexico, and USA have been selected by the FIFA Congress... 754 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,640 ...to host the 2026 FIFA World Cup. 755 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:23,960 Thank you. 756 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,520 As far as we do know, the kind of institutionalized corruption 757 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:30,520 of FIFA 758 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,320 has been exorcised. 759 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,640 People want to know why you've come to Moscow. 760 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:41,840 I received an invitation from Mr. Putin. "You come to the World Cup." 761 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,520 But I actually think that what we've got now 762 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,120 in terms of a big concern about FIFA and its direction 763 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,200 is actually, um, on the level above that, 764 00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,760 which is about football's place in a difficult and divided world. 765 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,160 It's something that's embedded in our DNA, that we're inherently passionate about. 766 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:20,560 That's why it's a unifier. 767 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,656 We're part of the world. We're a part of the world. 768 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,240 We wanna host the world. We want the world to see who we are. 769 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,520 And we're known for our hospitality, for the way we treat our guests. 770 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,000 It's not only a matter of pride. 771 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,520 It's a fundamental part of our culture 772 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,880 to treat our guests in a hospitable manner, 773 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,920 making them feel welcome and feel safe. 774 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,160 In 2010, World Cups were awarded by FIFA 775 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:53,680 in unacceptable ways with unacceptable consequences. 776 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,120 Human rights, equality, democracy, 777 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,960 the core interests of football were not in the starting eleven 778 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,600 until many years later. 779 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,840 The migrant workers injured 780 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,920 or families of those who died in the build-up to the World Cup 781 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,280 must be cared for. 782 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,440 There is no room for employers 783 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,640 who do not secure the freedom and safety of World Cup workers. 784 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,520 No room for leaders that cannot host the women's game. 785 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,480 No room for hosts 786 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:33,560 that cannot legally guarantee the safety and respect of LGBTQ+ people 787 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,280 coming to this theater of dreams. 788 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,440 The fact is, the World Cup is taking place in Qatar. 789 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,560 They have survived all the allegations that were made against them. 790 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,800 The legacy remains to be seen, 791 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,240 but they're hosting it because they are so wealthy. 792 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,360 That's the reason. 793 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,640 Money is the reason why they're hosting it. 794 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,560 And Pelé! 795 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,160 People are always gonna really love football and enjoy football. 796 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:23,640 That's the whole point. 797 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,200 It's compelling. 798 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,640 It's magnetic. It's captivating. 799 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:29,720 It's magical. 800 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,720 It's the job of the people who run it... 801 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,640 to make sure that they steer it in a direction 802 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:46,480 that embodies good values, 803 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,160 that's worthy of all that passion. 804 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,880 'Cause it's... it's really clear that football can be abused, 805 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,480 um, and exploited, 806 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,440 and the passions of, uh, people who love the game 807 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,280 can be exploited for malevolent purpose. 808 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,960 Dictators have used sport for propaganda, basically, 809 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,520 and that's happened incredibly recently in 2018 in Russia. 810 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,680 The world will witness a welcoming Russia, 811 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,120 a warm Russia, 812 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,160 a Russia which is open to the world. 813 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,120 We don't have to look back to Argentina in '78 or Berlin in 1936. 814 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,400 It's happening, and we've got to be very, very alive to that. 815 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,160 Big sport does need to be extremely honest 816 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:46,880 about the power that it holds. 817 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,080 Ah! 818 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:50,360 Guys! 819 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,760 And whether it represents the force for good in the world that it wants to 820 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,240 or just a power 821 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,000 that can be bought 822 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,800 and be at the service of dictators 823 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,880 and the most powerful and wealthy countries around the world. 824 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:16,600 When I had to leave, 825 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,520 I wouldn't like to leave, but I had to leave, 826 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,080 uh, because somewhere there is always an end. 827 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,720 When I am looking, uh, backwards, 828 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,640 my feeling is a feeling of thanks. 829 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,520 The... the international football has two billion people 830 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,880 which are attached to this game, 831 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,080 and they go always back to play in the streets, 832 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,600 to play everywhere because they believe in the good of the game. 833 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,640 And I am happy to have contributed, 834 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:04,160 uh, to some of historical moments in football. 835 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,400 And this makes me very proud. 836 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,320 We all grew up with the World Cup and FIFA. 837 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,360 But if you are not on the inside, 838 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,480 you never know about all the shadiness, 839 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,280 about this kind of Mafia, 840 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:31,040 people who shared out obscene amounts of money amongst themselves, 841 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,640 carved up disproportionate amounts of power. 842 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,240 If you ask if FIFA can get ever away from corruption, 843 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,160 you have to ask if the world ever can get away from corruption. 844 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,360 I say, "No, it can't." 845 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,640 As it is structured now, no, not... not possible. 846 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,640 You're president of FIFA. 847 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,360 You're not a head of state. 848 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,680 Who elected you? An executive committee? 849 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,160 After what shady deal or alliance or compromise? 850 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:14,720 Who really gives you your power? 851 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:17,520 The players. 852 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,520 "An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." 853 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,320 The impacts go to every single corner of the planet. 854 00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:33,960 The impacts go to every single boy and girl 855 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,760 who dreamt, as I did, 856 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,040 as a little kid running around on a dusty field outside their house. 857 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,640 You were at FIFA for more than 40 years. 858 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,720 Um, president from 1998, 859 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,320 but so many of the ExCo 860 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,240 and so many people that you knew 861 00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,480 were arrested, 862 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,240 and, you know, have faced charges, some have gone to prison, 863 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,360 um, but you were... you were in charge, you were the president. 864 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,280 Do... do you feel a responsibility 865 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,200 that that occurred when you were at the top? 866 00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:21,520 I am... I have a responsibility for the FIFA 867 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,920 and all the members who were working into the FIFA. 868 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,960 I have to take the responsibility. 869 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,760 But members of committees 870 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:35,320 which were coming from other countries and other cultures, 871 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,920 uh, I cannot be responsible. 872 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:44,640 I'm sorry for... for the FIFA, but... but I cannot be morally responsible. 873 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:45,720 Um... 874 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,880 My conscience is clear. 875 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,800 I'm, uh, uh... 876 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,560 And I can sleep well, even now I can sleep well, 877 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,640 uh, because I cannot be responsible for that. 878 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:02,040 I regret this has happened, but I'm not responsible. 75200

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