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welcome to episode 5 of my podcast what

if there is a better way I'm Leah in

this episode I speak with Professor

Thomas seifried it is a special episode

for me because

who isn't affected by cancer in some way

shape or form so I'm hoping this can be

helpful to somebody

it is also possible to donate to his

research for anybody who feels called to

do that there is a link down in this

description

and there were some technical

difficulties during the recording time

my part of the audio was very quiet so

he had a hard time understanding me

sometimes

I managed to

fix it afterwards but it made the

conversation a little bit chubby so I

apologize

and

thank you to Professor Seafood for

coming on and enjoy the show

welcome Professor Seafood

Hi how are you nice to be here

great to have you

uh can you give a little

I'm a professor of biology at Boston

College here in Chestnut Hill

Massachusetts which is right outside of

the city of Boston actually

and

um I teach the cancer biology class

and I teach General biology

uh to undergraduate students and I have

a very active

uh cancer research laboratory I work

with

um uh Physicians and basic scientists uh

throughout the world

very interesting were you always

interested in cancer specifically

um over time well probably for the last

35 uh years

uh for sure

but I did a lot of work in the field of

epilepsy genetics

uh and these kinds of things

biochemistry lipid biochemistry Tay

Sachs disease I I've worked in a lot of

different genetics and biochemical uh on

a lot of these kinds of issues

interesting and so you have uh you're a

little bit of a contrarian let's say to

the general

cancer

pieces right so yeah can you

can you explain so first of all what

like cancer specifically is and then

compare what the general thought is and

what your research has taught you yeah

a cancer

is defined

as cell division out of control

dysregulated cell growth

okay

um

most

um oncologists

think that this is the result of gene

mutations

our

theory is different it says that the

origin of dysregulated cell growth

arises from the mitochondria and the

cytoplasm

and that uh the mutations are

Downstream effects they are not the

cause of cancer they are the effects of

cancer

and that the dysregulated cell growth is

the result of mitochondrial dysfunction

where the cell can no longer generate

energy through oxygen but must rely on

Ancient Pathways of fermentation to

generate energy

so energy is everything without energy

nothing can survive

uh energy is the key Essence uh of Life

cancer cells generate energy through

fermentation uh normal cells generate

energy through oxidative phosphorylation

so the main difference between Cancer

cell and normal cell is how they

generate energy

so when you generate energy through

chronic fermentation you collect all

these mutations and all these things

that people study they're all Downstream

effects they're not the cause of cancer

the cause of cancer is a dysregulated uh

respiratory system coupled with

increased fermentation and the fuel that

drives the fermentation is the amino

acid glutamine and the sugar glucose

so without glucose and glutamine no

cancer cell can survive all other issues

are less important

so where does the cancer get the sugar

and the glutamine

where does it get the fuel

to grow yes okay no glucose is in

everywhere right and everything you eat

generates some sort of glucose

and the glutamine is made from glucose

it's non-essential amino acid so you

need drug you you can manage glucose

with diet

uh but you will need a drug

to restrict the glutamine

so uh you must Target glucose and

glutamine simultaneously that means

together while transitioning the whole

body over to ketones

um which are derived from fatty acids so

ketogenic diet

together uh restricted ketogenic diet

will lower blood sugar Elevate ketones

uh which is the ketones are for the

normal cells not the tumor cells and

then you target the glutamine at the

same time and this strategy should

manage

all major cancers without toxicity

okay the problem is the problem is no

one can understand this

I I might as well be speaking in ancient

Egyptian

or Greek uh no one can understand what I

just said

um I I it's very simple but no one can

understand it so I I'm I'm always

wondered how is it possible

that I say cancer is a mitochondrial

metabolic disease driven by fermentation

and the fermentation fuels are glucose

and glutamine and the tumor cells cannot

burn ketones so the solution to the

cancer problem is simultaneously

restriction the glucose and glutamine

while transitioning the body over to

therapeutic ketosis

keeps the normal cells healthy and

targets and kills the tumor cells at the

same time

so but for whatever reason

uh people cannot understand this

thank you I don't know I I think there's

two things number one they don't want to

understand it

uh and number two uh it's hard to

generate Revenue

uh when you uh have a very simple

solution to a problem

in other words we do not think

radiation is necessary for the managing

cancer the majority of cancers we don't

think uh toxic chemo is necessary for

managing the majority of cancers

immunotherapies that are the the hot

thing today

are all based on the gene theory of

cancer if the gene theory of cancer is

incorrect you're not going to achieve

the uh success

um that you would that you would have so

I'm telling the world that the view of

cancer

the reason why we have so many deaths

and suffering from cancer

is because the theory is incorrect

once the theory once cancer becomes

recognized as mitochondrial metabolic

disease

the disease will be managed effectively

but

it's hard to convince hard to describe

this to people

lay people understand it more than the

scientists understand I think the

scientists understand it they just don't

want to they don't want it to happen

because that means whatever they're

doing is probably insignificant

which is which is kind of unsettling for

the majority of cancer researchers

yes a lot of like people's life work

would have to be thrown out the way say

again

a lot of people's life work would have

been have

um they would have to throw it out the

window basically

all of the work yeah I wasn't able to

pick that up too clearly yeah again it

was a little soft

oh

a lot of people's life work would have

have to be thrown out the window right

um

yes you're correct and that is a very

disturbing

uh to the majority of cancer researchers

that most of what they're doing is

insignificant it's terrible to say that

you know I'm sure that if someone were

to come to me and say you know your

mitochondrial metabolic theory is wrong

and everything that I've been doing is

incorrect

my argument is show me tell me provide

me with the data showing that I am

Incorrect and I will be more than happy

to debate and discuss this with anyone

and I will clearly show how the how the

somatic mutation Theory the gene theory

is uh incorrect they cannot explain the

nuclear transfer experiments they cannot

explain why we have all these oncogene

driver genes in normal tissue uh how do

you explain uh cancer mutations in

normal tissue that never become cancer

how do you explain the fact that there

is some two tumors that have no

mutations

so how can you tell me that cancer is

due to genetic mutations when we have

all of these inconsistencies

so uh the mitochondrial the the somatic

mutation Theory or the gene theory of

cancer is flawed

okay so most of the cancer treatments

are based on the gene theory of cancer

if the theory describing the disease or

the phenomenon is incorrect what is the

probability of treating people with

therapies based on an incorrect Theory

you're not going to get the resolution

you're not going to get the effects so

we have to kill

millions of people worldwide

by toxic treatments uh because people

cannot accept the fact that they might

be incorrect in their way of

understanding cancer

I mean eventually at somebody your age

if you live to be 76 years old

and we are still irradiating and

poisoning people to make them healthy

then we have a real problem

I hope it doesn't happen yes

well I hope so too you know let

everybody know it's not a genetic

disease so all these crazy things that

we're doing to people why you think are

people excited when they have cancer

that they go and say whoa I'm so excited

that I can get now radiation and toxic

poison you know I didn't like the color

of my hair now I'll take this chemical

and all my hair will fall out and I can

put a wig on and I can change my hairdo

uh as the result of the cancer treatment

right makes no sense no it sounds like a

bad party at any time anytime you see

some person with a bald head from cancer

treatment that person was treated by

someone who doesn't understand what

cancer is otherwise the head why you

can't why your hair falls out you're

trying to kill cancer cells not make you

go bald right so all of these crazy

things that we do to each other it's

just unbelievable unbelievable

so um anyway what are you gonna do

that's the way it is

oh we're gonna change that

so basically

the proof is in the pudding and it's

about the results that the different

treatments get so what are some of the

results that you get or got through your

theory and your treatments yeah well

um that's important because people say

well where's the evidence and the

evidence is we are publishing case

reports of individuals who do metabolic

therapy

and live far longer than they would have

had they done conventional therapy we

are rescuing some uh stage four cancer

patients

from their disease uh by giving them

metabolic therapy as opposed to a

radiation chemo or

or immunotherapy so um

there are no clinical trials yet mainly

because uh no hospital wants to uh pay

for this how you I mean usually

pharmaceutical company pays for clinical

trial

um no pharmaceutical company has come

forward yet to say we would like to do a

big clinical trial on metabolic therapy

to show that we do not need

immunotherapies radiation or toxic

chemicals uh there's no level of

enthusiasm to do something like this

right now

so uh we need a business model and I

think the business model will allow us

to move forward also we don't have

trained Physicians and oncologists they

what I said to you uh they can't believe

what I'm saying because they don't

understand the concepts or even if they

do understand the concepts they don't

they don't want to believe it

so

um so we just have to keep doing case

individual case reports and and

Publishing hard scientific evidence

supporting the theory and then

eventually things will change just a

matter of time

and so you've been able to prolong

people's lives that have been uh

diagnosed with cancer right

okay I say that again

you have been able to prolong people's

lives through the metabolic therapy

yes this is another important point you

should not consider metabolic therapy as

a cure for cancer metabolic therapy is

simply an approach to improve uh overall

survival and quality of life

metabolic therapy will allow cancer

patients to live much much longer with a

higher quality of life than the standard

treatments that we currently have for

cancer does that mean cure we have no

idea all we can say is is if if

everybody is uh talk about cure well

it's clear that standard of care is not

curing the majority of people with

cancer and if those people do survive

standard of care they often pay a big

price for this they have many many

adverse effects in their body

they get other cancers they have

hormonal imbalance they have microbiome

imbalances they have Neuropsychiatric

problems they pay a very severe price

for surviving standard of care treatment

to manage their cancer metabolic therapy

does not produce the kinds of any kinds

of adverse effects it makes you healthy

it makes you feel better you do not have

to lose hair you don't go bald you don't

have uh nausea vomiting you don't have

these kinds of things so you just simply

kill cancer cells gradually while

improving the overall health of your

body

so uh metabolic therapy will replace

toxic standard treatments in the future

right now uh people are just unfamiliar

with the concepts

and can you describe what the

what you what the people need to do or

like what the patients need to do

to get into ketosis and to take care of

me so when the cancer patient presents

to the clinic

uh what we do is we take complete blood

work

we measure all uh parameters in the

blood make sure no bacteria fungus or

parasite infections

um we uh transition the patient from

high carbohydrate diet to very low

carbohydrate ketogenic diet which can

take uh several uh at least 10 days to

15 days

um and then once the patient is in uh

nutritional ketosis by measuring blood

glucose Ketone index

um we then administered to drugs uh to

the patient uh to Target effectively

Target the glutamine and the glucose and

we can use hyperbaric oxygen and we can

use sometimes we use very low dose chemo

um very very low dose chemo which has

almost no side effects whatsoever it's

just the drugs work so much better uh

when patient is in therapeutic ketosis

um so it's a gradual degrading of the

tumor over time

uh we're trying to complete the whole

process within within a four to six

month period uh similar to uh what would

do for standard of care

so

um except that now the patient emerges

in a very healthy State uh with cancer

managed now we don't say cancer is gone

we say cancer is managed it may still be

there but not growing or it could be

gone uh you do MRI

the various non-invasive Technologies we

don't like to use biopsy uh to assess

the cancer

biopsy has runs the risk of spreading

the cancer throughout the body uh we we

do surgery only after the tumor is

shrunken down very small uh without any

inflammation and then the surgeon can

remove the tumor quite effectively we

don't like to use surgery at the

beginning because it could spread the

tumor just like biopsy so we have a very

clear uh protocol for the treatment of

cancer that is based on cancer being a

mitochondrial metabolic disease and this

will all be worked out very very

thoroughly in the clinic not terribly

complicated but will be highly effective

patient presents itself at the clinic

and then you do the tests

and then they change what they eat so

for those people that don't know how the

body would start to get into ketosis

what

do people need to eat to be in a

ketogenic state

well you have to be under the guidance

of a certified

practitioner whether that is a nurse

nurse a physician's assistant physician

nutritionist

the patient needs to be guided and the

patient also needs to monitor their own

blood work and we published the glucose

Ketone index and there's blood meters

now that you can buy on Amazon

that will allow the cancer patient to

monitor their own blood work and then

they would go to the physician and say

okay I am in ketosis and at that time

they would be administered the drugs

uh that work together with the ketosis

to kill the cancer cells

and you know we use glutamine targeting

drugs uh we use uh parasite drugs and

bendazole benbendazole and it's these

drug cocktails used with nutritional

ketosis that will kill the majority of

cancer cells or bring tumors into

complete management

and so

um so for example if a patient likes to

eat cake is that what if a patient likes

to eat lots of cake and sweets is that

helpful cannolis right

cannoli

what's cannolis that will not work that

patient will not survive okay so uh

yeah none of that no cannoli no cake no

spoiled none of these kinds of pastries

okay

um you know this all has to be removed

from the diet until the cancer is

managed once the cancer is managed uh it

may be possible to eat a pizza uh but

you know uh until that you have to

recognize that it's your choice it's the

patient's choice do they want to live or

do they want to die

it's not a it's a it's a choice right I

mean you don't tell the patient you want

to live or you want to die you know it's

just uh

you know I'm not saying it if they want

to eat cake it's cannolis I mean that's

their problem we had an Italian patient

we had from yeah

where was that maybe it was Milan Milano

um

she was doing very very well with

glioblastoma on metabolic therapy and

thought she was uh cured but she was not

cured and then she went back and ate the

cannolis

and the cancer came back and she died so

um

you know no cannolis

and you also have to unless you have a

keto cannoli okay I don't know if that's

possible see food food uh people are

working on all these kinds of Keto foods

but I can tell you a keto cannoli is not

as good as the regular canola

and what about carts

are they helpful or detrimental

what what about what parts carbohydrates

oh carbs yeah no no carbs are carbs are

driving the tumor to grow faster so uh

you want to restrict carbohydrates the

tumor needs carbohydrate to grow now

it's it's really that tumor needs

glucose to grow and glucose comes from

carbohydrates the worst carbohydrates

are the highly glycemic carbohydrates

the highly processed sugars complex

carbs

um are less provocative but uh still

should be restricted uh significantly so

the best so because ketogenic diet is

zero carbohydrate diet extremely low

carbohydrate your body can make carbs

from within so

um the problem is they make very little

carbs from within it's not enough to

drive the tumor so the carbs external

carbs are what's needed to drive the

tumor once you eliminate all external

carbohydrates the carbohydrates that the

body makes is mostly for the brain

and all other tissues will burn fatty

acids and ketones and and the tumors

cannot burn fatty acids and ketones

regardless of what these other people

might think

so basically the most beneficial things

to eat for the body is animal protein

and fat is that correct

yeah well it could be animal protein or

it could be uh vegetables as long as

whatever you eat is it can't Elevate the

glucose Ketone index if you keep your

glucose Ketone index low then it doesn't

make any difference what you eat as long

as you have a low glucose Ketone index

some people do Mediterranean diet some

people do vegan diet some people do

carnivore diet it's just it's almost

like what what did human beings eat 50

000 years ago what was the diet for the

human being 50 000 years ago it wasn't

cannoli there was no cannoli in the

environment at that time right no rice

yeah uh uh no pasta no pasta right so uh

listen it's a hard thing to do if you're

Italian you don't eat pasta It's hard if

you're Chinese and you don't eat rice

it's hard you're Irish you don't eat

potatoes it's hard right poor bread what

about bread no bread so uh yeah right

take away pasta and bread it's gonna be

hard right

all right so

um yeah uh no carbohydrate carbohydrates

must be restricted but it's not forever

it's just until the tumor is managed and

once the tumor is managed then you can

uh go back and and maybe not to the same

level but you can certainly not be

completely restricted some people tell

me

um they would rather die than not eat

pasta and bread

so um that's their choice okay then die

you know it's not my it's not my problem

it's your problem you know I I have a

Korean Korean told me he can never live

every day he has to have rice every

single day

and would rather die than not eat rice

so I said okay that's so that's your

choice that's not my choice

so uh

right yeah

you gotta want it

yeah you want to survive you got to do

what you need to do to kill the cancer

cells and then once the cancer cells are

managed then you might be able to eat

right rice or pasta but not during the

management period not not that at all

okay so

basically the mitochondria needs to be

in a healthy State correct

yes yes okay a mitochondria need to be

maintained in a healthy State and

um you know uh exercise is excellent to

maintain this

uh periodic fasting what they call

intermittent fasting it's hard to do

long-term fasting or zero carbohydrate

diet for a week you can do that there's

a lot of ways to lower your blood sugar

and elevate your ketones

to prevent uh cancer and keep your

mitochondria healthy

and so

um from what I I've seen from your

research is that basically it's not the

um so the the nucleus of the cell that's

damaged but the mitochondria that's

damaged and even if you put that yeah

the new space is also damaged okay yes

so please yeah but uh you know there's a

lot of mutations

most cancers have mutations in the

nucleus

um but that's not the cause that's the

effect of the damaged mitochondria no

cancer is known that has normal

mitochondria so the mitochondria being

abnormal forces the cell to ferment uh

use energy without oxygen and glucose

and glutamine are are those are those

fuels so the nuclear problems are

Downstream they're not the cause they're

the effects so most people in the field

study the effects not the cause

consequently we make no major advance in

cancer once we understand that it's a

mitochondrial metabolic disease then

you're going to see huge huge

advancement in managing the disease

so

um you did studies right where you took

out the mitochondria of one cell and

inserted it into another can you explain

that process a little bit and how you

got different yeah well that was the

nuclear mitochondria transfer

experiments

and and they were done uh over many many

years

uh to ask the simple question

can a cancer

cell uh direct normal development

um that was that they were not testing

the mitochondrial metabolic Theory they

were testing whether or not a cancer

cell can direct normal development and

the answer is uh uh yes up until a point

uh when the organism would abort

um so uh frogs with uh kidney cancer

were able to develop into a tadpole uh

from the nucleus of the tumor but not

into a mature frog

um uh mice were produced from melanoma

nucleus uh but not an adult Mouse

they were all aborted in some way

because of the mutations in the nucleus

prevented development but they never

developed cancer uh from the from the

tumor nucleus so uh what is showing is

that normal mitochondria can suppress

the abnormal cell growth and

um this was done by uh many of the

world's best developmental biologists

and it was repeated over and over again

in many many independent studies

strongest evidence to prove that Cancer

Cannot Be a nuclear genetic disease

those those findings show that Cancer

Cannot Be A genetic disease people need

to get over this they need to understand

this until they understand if they

cannot understand what I just said then

they'll never understand anything so uh

um but the nuclear transfer experiments

prove that Cancer Cannot Be A genetic

disease and those and other findings as

well that I put out my big papers so

yeah I mean normal mitochondria

suppressed abnormal cell growth abnormal

cell growth comes from uh defective in

the mitochondria mitochondria maintained

the differentiated state of quiescence

when the mitochondria becomes defective

the cell falls into a fermentation

metabolism and loses growth control not

that complicated

not to me it's not complicated to other

people it might appear complicated but

that's because they don't read the

scientific literature if you sit down

and read the papers then you'll

completely understand what I'm saying if

you don't read the papers then maybe

it's very complicated so it's just that

simple Yeah so basically the healthy

self right has normal respiration oxygen

goes in gets metabolized yes and the

cell uses the oxygen to do its state

but in the that's correct but if there

is a problem with respiration the cell

has a second mechanism to continue

living correct

yeah well it continues to get energy

from fermentation not respiration okay

so so that's how the cancer cell grows

dysregulated it's a fermentation

metabolism uh

underlying the dysregulated cell growth

so it's very simple uh if they ferment

uh what do what are the fuels to allow

fermentation to take place

glucose and glutamine only two fuels

two

those the cancer cell cannot grow it

cannot it uses those fuels for

fermentation

so uh once you stop the fermentation

fuel the cancer cell cannot grow

it dies

and no radiation no chemo yeah and this

is not the the kind of respiration right

where

is

but it's what's transported around in

the body and word

the cell prefers the sugar

but why would the cell

use the the sugar instead of the oxygen

like what kind of conditions need to be

there in the body because the

permutation to start

you know that comes from okay

anything that can chronically damage the

ability of the mitochondria to generate

energy through oxygen can potentially

cause cancer okay so some people get

exposed to carcinogens which is a

chemical that causes cancer the chemical

causes cancer because it damages

oxidative phosphorylation in the

mitochondria okay some people get cancer

by by virus like papilloma virus now

they require everybody to get vaccinated

against papillomavirus

papillomavirus causes uterine cancer

uterine cancer and and other kinds of

cancers

uh the virus enters the cell and damages

oxidative phosphorylation causing the

cell to go and become fermentative and

thereby losing uh growth control in the

uterus okay uh in the breast uh milk the

milk duct in the breast can become

blocked leading to chronic inflammation

chronic inflammation will damage

mitochondria in some cell or tissue okay

um intermittent hypoxia can damage

respiration in the cell intermittent

hypoxia which is uh either a milk duct

occlusion or some other vascular uh

dysfunction leading to chronic

inflammation damaged mitochondrial

respiration uh then you have

um a

uh cancer is more common for people than

younger people mainly because the damage

to the mitochondria can occur more

gradually the longer you live on the

planet

type 2 diabetes obesity all of these

conditions increase

inflammation in the body inflammation

can damage mitochondria in some cell or

tissue leading to cancer chronic

irritation can lead to melanoma can lead

to colon cancer can lead to breast

cancer can lead to all of these things

so and all cancers come from chronic

damage to oxidative phosphorylation and

if the cells usually that will kill cell

but if the cell can upregulate

fermentation it can bypass the natural

death pathway and thereby become

dysregulated growth and cancer so we

clearly understand the origin of cancer

how it starts

what it needs to grow and what's more

important how to stop it and manage it

we know all of this clearly now so the

problem is nobody believes it and nobody

wants to act upon it uh or understand it

so consequently millions of people must

die needlessly throughout the world

because people cannot understand what I

just said

so basically to summarize

you have to take care of your

mitochondria

if you're exactly yes wait wait stop

say that again

you must take care of your mitochondria

you must take care of your mitochondria

yes

and exercise

and uh correct eating is the way to best

uh do this now of course some people

like to party

uh some people like to drink and smoke

and do all these kinds of things that we

all that many people like to do

um as long as you don't do it too much

uh so if people feel like oh I went to a

party and I drank and I smoked uh now I

put myself at risk for cancer what can I

do okay then uh stop eating for two days

uh and drink water only and reconfir and

re re-establish health of your

mitochondria

um and you might be able to delay this

uh try to avoid obesity try to avoid

type 2 diabetes all these diseases are

all all related to mitochondrial

dysfunction so in one way or the other

so people now should know what to do I'm

not saying everybody should you know do

water only fasting but I'm saying now we

understand what causes cancer we should

be able to uh adjust diet and lifestyle

to it to deal with that so the simplest

way to prevent or

manage it let's say would be to

be the ketogenic state

don't think or well and I ideally don't

say don't smoke go to bed at a decent

time no no no no no I didn't say no okay

okay please practice don't don't drink

or smoke too much oh too much okay

yeah yeah yeah

I mean guys smoke cigarettes all day

long they put themselves at risk for

lung cancer colon cancer and other

cancers but I you know you smoke one

cigarette a a day or or one cigar a week

uh I I don't think that's gonna kill you

okay so uh or give you it's gonna it's

not going to increase your risk for

cancer too much if you want to be pure

and most humans are not pure you do

water only fasting right and most people

don't want to do that so you think

Italians want to go out and just drink

water for a week I don't think so right

who wants the Germans are going to do

that I don't think so either you know

Chinese Nana most people are not going

to do these kinds of things right even

though that's what would prevent cancer

cancer is a disease of diet and

lifestyle

uh primitive people

uh Aboriginal people rarely had cancer

so our ancestors of 50 000 years ago

cancer was extremely rare uh uh even in

even today in Aboriginal populations

um cancer is very very rare in Eskimos

and Africans and South American jungle

people Aboriginal people live in a in a

lifestyle similar to 50 000 years ago

so a cancer is extremely rare

um cancer is very rare in in the wolf in

the wolf

uh cancer and domestic all domestic dogs

uh came from the wolf

um but cancer is number one killer of

domestic dogs

uh dogs eat the same food we eat I mean

they're eating too much of the wrong

food and they get cancer uh wolf eats

natural things uh anybody who lives in

the Paleolithic lifestyle

is at much lower risk for cancer

Paleolithic how we did it how we lived

uh 50 000 years ago okay

what did you eat what did our ancestors

eat 50

000 years ago they ate animals uh they

ate whatever kind of plants and berries

and things like this uh they exercised a

lot you had to chase and kill the deer

in order to eat the deer okay today we

drive up to McDonald's and they pass the

food through the window and you don't

even have to get out of the car to get

the food right and therefore you get

diabetes obesity and cancer and dementia

and all the kinds of things because of

diet and lifestyle so uh you know but no

one wants to go and kill deers and eat

deer so uh they prefer to have someone

else kill it and feed it to them

[Laughter]

no no rice no pasta

no bread you know you didn't have we

didn't have any of that stuff 50 000

years ago you know so the Paleolithic

the Neolithic period I think started

around 10 000 years ago

um when we started to cultivate greens

corn rice wheat uh and then we made

bread and then we made pasta and then we

developed rice and then we got cancer

so so think about that it's it's our

society it's industrial society and

civilization and we're not going to go

back to Paleolithic periods so we just

have to learn to occasionally modulate

what we eat and continue to get exercise

bring a few ancient things

can you hear me

say that say that here like um I said we

should bring a few ancient things to the

now

oh absolutely you know absolutely I mean

it's good to go uh I mean are our

species existed I think from one million

years

uh uh human the human is about one

million some people say six cultures

started maybe 600 000 years ago

um you know but that's not long people

say oh six hundred thousand years a long

time no it's not the Earth is uh uh four

billion years old 3.5 billion years old

so the human species has only been on

the planet for a short period of time

right and already we have cancer and

diabetes

obesity right the Obesity when you see

an obese person they are the survivors

from the Paleolithic period they that's

evolution in action those people are

living in the wrong environment today

but they were the people that survived

famine and starvation their body could

hold all this energy now they eat

cannolis every day and eat bread with

butter on it and they get fat you know

so uh this is and then they get diabetes

and then they get cancer I mean this is

not a cut this is not a complicated

problem yeah some say we are at Peak

civilization right

yes you know but no but we're not going

to go back to the Paleolithic period but

at least you know

that if you go back and okay eat the

yeah what did we eat okay we killed uh

animals human beings killed animals we

did not evolve as a vegetarian species

if we were all vegetarians like the cow

we would not exist today

so uh we eat cows right we eat pigs we

eat anything that walks across we'll

even eat each other occasionally

cannibals right that was part of our

existence so um but uh yeah meat was

always part of the uh human diet uh

vegetables were always part of the where

what we call omnivores we eat everything

uh we can uh eat everything now even to

manage cancer if you are a vegan or

vegetarian or carnivore or whatever uh

pescatel whatever they want to call

these guys that we'd only fish you know

or whatever it is you just measure your

blood sugar and ketones and it tells you

uh what level of Health you're in it

doesn't make any difference what you eat

as long as you can keep a low gki

glucose Ketone index you can you can

reduce risk to cancer you know you don't

do it all the time but occasionally you

might so everybody goes out buys a meter

you know and double checks their blood

sugar uh and people can monitor their

own health you don't need to go to the a

physician to tell you what's going on

you just know if you keep blood sugar

low and ketones elevated occasionally

you're probably going to be healthier

than the guy who doesn't do that yeah

and um

what do you think are

well it's kind of obvious that the

interests that keep this kind of

knowledge small but like maybe you want

to come and a little bit of that

I'll say that again

the interest of keeping this kind of

research small

so the farmer and how it's like this is

like basically free treatment right so

there's nobody that's yeah well no it's

both pre you're asking by by

understanding metabolism you can

Institute uh a lifestyle that will

reduce cancer risk

um you know people people can avoid

those risk factors I think if they're

aware of them unfortunately sometimes

the poor people find themselves in

environments where there are more toxins

in the environment uh which

unfortunately happens in many countries

where the poor are always next to power

plants or some something like that

um

that's prevention but I think I think

that a majority of people uh want to

know what you can do to manage the

cancer once you are diagnosed with

cancer

and there's where you can improve

survival significantly if you treat the

disease as a mitochondrial metabolic

disease the probability of survival with

a higher quality of life

becomes much better uh when you

understand that cancer is metabolic

disease and not a genetic disease so I

think it's an educational not only for

the pharmaceutical not only for the

Physicians but also the general

population as well once people

understand what cancer is they know how

to prevent it and if they get it they

know how to better treat it so it'll be

a learning process and what I say is is

going to be the standard in the future

eventually people will become educated

and will tell the far to tell the

doctors I I don't want uh chemo I don't

want radiation I don't want

immunotherapy what what do you want I

want metabolic therapy please give me

metabolic therapy and if the if the

doctor says well I don't know how to do

that the cancer patient will say then I

will find somebody who knows how to do

that and go to them

because it will change nobody wants

radiation and chemo nobody wants that

they want to get rid of their cancer

without toxicity metabolic therapy can

do that yes and I think it's possible

now because

like knowledge has been through the

internet

um democratized right so everybody has

basically access to everything if they

search for it sure that it's like you

have to be careful but it's not like 50

years ago where the only source of

knowledge would have been the TV or

actually your doctor or some kind of

professional right so I think it's gonna

be

from The Roots up the the the thing the

person looking for it and then

in through that way it will become

common knowledge probably

yeah I I agree

I mean the internet

and media have a very powerful effect

um

you know they can get the word out but

you also have to be careful because

there's a lot of things that

people follow on the internet that are

incorrect

um and are not supported by hard

scientific

work our work we publish peer-reviewed

scientific papers uh establishing the

concepts and and pre-clinical research

showing

what what is correct and then you take

that if you understand cancer

you should be able to develop a therapy

to manage the disease effectively and we

are doing that more and more cancer

patients with these Advanced cancers are

surviving better uh why because we know

we know what the nature of the disease

is the problem is

um the big the big hospitals and

academic research centers uh do not uh

um yet uh accept accept this they still

think cancer is a genetic disease

because they were indoctrinated

brainwashed to believe this kind of

thing they have never heard of the

alternative

so they think oh no I can't be right

because we know cancer is a genetic

disease no no no no they're incorrect

it's not a genetic disease and then some

people say well I can never accept

cancer being anything other than genetic

disease so therefore you you have these

forces that prevent metabolic therapy

from being becoming the standard of care

and then uh you're right about you know

uh how do you earn money if you are a

physician you know telling people don't

eat carbohydrate Foods you know it's

like uh how if you're a radiation

oncologist uh why would you want to

irradiate somebody when they don't need

to be irradiated

um how do you justify irradiating

somebody that I can I can get rid of the

tumor by restricting glucose and

glutamine and then the tumor disappears

or becomes very indolent why should I go

for radiation therapy doesn't make any

sense you know why should I take a toxic

chemical to kill my tumor when I can

just take away glucose and glutamine to

kill the tumor so uh um you know it's

without causing toxicity or going bald

or any of those kinds of things so this

is going to be a very difficult thing

for many people to accept but hey you

want to manage cancer you do it you do

it what we're saying if not then you go

and take chemo and radiation people

we're not stopping anybody who wants to

have radiation and chemo I'm not

stopping them I'm not telling them go

and do radiation to chemo if they want

to do radiation and chemo that's their

that's their choice the doctor says oh

yes you must do radiation and chemo and

uh he says that uh well what about other

things well radiation and chemo are the

only things that I know about so until

he knows does he know the Warburg theory

of cancer does the physician understand

that glucose and glutamine are the only

fuels driving the cancer that he's

trying to manage if not then go find

somebody else that does understand this

you know that the field is going to have

to change quickly otherwise we're

killing all these poor people are dying

yes unfortunately

um can you talk a little bit about some

of like your patients transformations

that you've seen so that people yeah

about what's possible uh there's there's

a new film coming out uh called the

cancer Revolution

it's a documentary film and they

interview many many uh stage four cancer

patients who who uh what they call

terminal

uh who are no longer terminal

um so there's uh they relay their

stories

uh Pablo Kelly from England

uh he's on the web now telling everybody

how he survived pleoplastoma

um with metabolic therapy so more and

more people uh who should be dead

uh are telling others what they did to

survive and um so those guys become

advocates

uh to the metabolic therapy and

um you know uh more and more of these

people are appearing on the social media

so uh I think uh and that's another

motivational Factor they want to be they

can tell others what they did to survive

and so even with stage four cancer

There's Hope basically

yeah you know they always say terminal

cancer

um people say oh I'm diagnosed with

terminal cancer who says that terminal

cancer the guy who's treating you with

radiation and chemo is telling you it's

a terminal cancer because you know we

did everything to the patient the

Cancer's still there yeah you did

everything except Target glucose and

glutamine you know once you start

targeting glucose and glutamine and

transitioning the body to ketosis you'll

do much better now and that doesn't mean

unfortunately people so many people come

to me

after chemo and radiation and immuno

none of that stuff works and then the

physician says oh there's nothing more

we can do uh well you did almost

everything to kill the poor patient and

and now now you're telling me you can't

do it anymore so

um you know uh not and then the patient

tries metabolic therapy and it doesn't

work only because the body has been so

beat up and destroyed by toxic poisons

and radiation that the body can no

longer rally in a healthy way to defeat

the cancer so uh usually most of the

people who start metabolic therapy up

front

um really do well and they never need

radiation or chemo and if they do chemo

uh it's it's very low dose for a much

shorter period of time with minimal if

any toxicity

that's that's good to hear

so

basically

cut out the sugar right

well I mean it depends it

uh if you don't have cancer

uh why you want to cut out sugar sugar

does not cause cancer

sugar feeds cancer if you have the

cancer

sugar will feed it sugar doesn't cause

cancer if you eat too much carbohydrates

and get inflammation in the body like

obesity and type 2 diabetes that is a

risk factor for causing cancer

so uh Sugar by itself is not a

carcinogen but too much sugar in the

body can cause inflammation inflammation

can cause cancer okay so uh again it's

all one of degree so I'm not telling

people don't go out and eat the cannoli

you know or eat stop eating pizza or you

know whatever else potatoes and pasta no

uh I'm I'm saying if you don't have

cancer you can eat the cannoli and the

pizza and the pasta or the potato or the

bread but but uh if you have cancer you

would not eat those kinds of things and

would you

um

recommend going more on a ketogenic diet

as a prevention or only

as a treatment basically

no no you actually there's a lot of

people who do that uh some people decide

to go on a ketogenic diet for say three

or four weeks

um they do that to get healthy uh they

get they lose weight uh they get

healthier uh and then they feel good and

some people are always on that kind of a

diet I have friends that are always in

some sort of ketosis

um you know they don't you know I like

to drink whiskey every now and then and

eat bread you know uh I I would have to

intermittent fasting is easier than

going on these long-term ketogenic diets

and things like this you know so yeah

beer I mean I like beer uh but if I had

cancer I could not do it

so but I don't have cancer so I'll drink

beer and if I ever get cancer I don't

drink beer so um you do and you try to

reduce what you the risk factors you try

to avoid respect

don't forget cancer is a disease of the

lifestyle

and uh it's a part of being in a

civilized society the risk for cancer

and no one wants to go back and to live

in a primitive Paleolithic period nobody

wants to do that so we have to just know

things how do I reduce risk and if I get

cancer what can I do to manage the

disease without toxicity this is the

knowledge that we are uh showing what to

do and how to do it I think this

is maybe contact with you or with your

papers is there I heard this somewhere

where they can donate to support the

research

our our major donation site is the

foundation for cancer uh metabolic

therapy which is Travis christopherson's

Foundation

um so uh and I mentioned this on the in

my in my um a lot of people contact me

uh and I give them a kit of information

uh I can't tell people what to do and

what not to do I'm not a physician I

cannot practice I do not practice

medicine

I just give people information it's the

information

that gives them the knowledge that gives

them the power to understand what they

what they should do or what they can do

and uh in that information kit uh

there's a a donation site people donate

uh whatever they feel they would like to

donate to our research uh through Travis

christopherson's foundation for uh

cancer metabolic therapy

um and that's where we get most of our

research support from philanthropy and

people who who use metabolic therapy and

survive and do very well uh they uh they

donate to our website or to donate to

the foundation which is only right why

you accept money from anybody

uh when they don't survive the treatment

that you give them you know the the

patients go to the hospitals they pay

large amounts of money uh to be treated

and then they don't survive they they

should only be uh money should only be

taken if the people if the patient

survives the doctor should give the

treatment to the patient if the patient

survives then the patient pays for the

treatment if the patient does not

survive he should not have to pay for

the cancer treatment you should only pay

for what works you know and this is the

way I think the business model is if you

survive cancer every year you survive

cancer you're the patient the doctor

should get some some fun for that right

if I if I live five years okay then he

gets the full amount if he dies within

one year he gets nothing or very little

right so uh this is a so you make

donations to support the research only

if the information that provide that you

get has helped you if the information

doesn't help you why you contribute to

somebody's foundation so it's very

logical if the information helps

contribute to the foundation if the

information doesn't help don't

contribute to the foundation

so uh that's the way I look at it

why pay for something if it doesn't work

all those

horrible treatments that people go

through makes sense everything I'm

saying makes a lot of very simple at the

end of the day right

yeah well sometimes people don't want

things to be simple they love

complicated it makes them feel good that

they can understand something

complicated I I don't know it's human

nature it's basically human nature we're

all the same everybody's the same we're

all humans we all think the same way you

know we all have very the only thing

that makes us different is culture

culture and religion changes the way our

brains think but basically we're all the

same

hahaha

right yeah

your brain can be worked in different

ways anyway I will let you go I have a

meeting to go to thank you so much for

coming on but uh I hope I hope this

helped your podcast and uh gets

information thank you so much I hope

okay