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In the late 1990s
and early 2000s,
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several women were victimized
in Baton Rouge.
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[Dana] People that had
high-risk lifestyles
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that were killed.
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There were women that were take
from their homes and killed.
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[Christopher] We knew we had
a serial killer
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operating in the city
of Baton Rouge.
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[Pat] I think that the fear
at Baton Rouge at that point
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was starting to get
at a tipping point.
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Remain calm. I know
there’s a lot of fear
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in the city and I feel it.
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I didn’t even know
he was a serial killer.
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I believe I survived
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because God needed
to use someone
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to bring justice
for their loved ones.
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[Reporter] A break in the
Louisiana serial killer case.
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An arrest warrant
for Derrick Todd Lee
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has been issued at
East Baton Rouge Parish.
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on the charges
of first-degree murder
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and aggravated rape.
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[Dana] For the city
of Baton Rouge,
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it was a collective sigh
of relief.
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[Max] And then as soon
as you can take a breath
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and you realize that
that’s over, it’s not over.
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[Dana] We have
these murders that are differen
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happening in downtown
Baton Rouge.
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Could we have
another serial killer?
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[Bryan] Katherine Hall
was significantly cut
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where you could
actually see the bone.
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[Max] On Johnnie Mae Williams,
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we discovered
her hands had been removed.
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Donna Bennett Johnston,
one of her arms
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had been severed
from the elbow down.
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[Prem] You’ve got
these ritualistic cuttings.
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This is
a totally different animal.
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They absolutely know
at this point,
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this is serial killer
number two.
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[Dana] I couldn’t even
imagine what type of person
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would do this.
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It didn’t make any sense.
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[Bryan] And there was more
female victims
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popping up around town.
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It was incredible
to even contemplate.
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And then the next one happened.
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But could there be
a third serial killer?
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[music]
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♪ Like a whisper in the hollow
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♪ Tears fall down
while they pray for tomorrow ♪
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♪ Nobody knows Nobody sees ♪
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♪ Search back of roads
and cold city streets ♪
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♪ There’s evil in the dark ♪
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♪ Blood on the hands
and the devil will follow ♪
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[music]
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February of ’04, the body
of Donna Johnston was recovered
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in a remote canal near LSU.
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When they were working
the Donna Johnston scene,
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we discovered a tire track.
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The tire that we were looking at
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was ultimately identified
was a Goodyear Aquatred 3.
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When we identified
the individuals
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that had the tire from Goodyear,
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one of those was
Sean Vincent Gillis.
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The following day,
I went to see Mr. Gillis
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at his residence.
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That’s when we asked him
for his swab.
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He readily volunteered
to provide a DNA sample.
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Sean agreed to come down
to the office for questioning.
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Before he got in the vehicle,
he smoked half his cigarette,
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and he threw it on the ground,
and he said,
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"Let’s get this over with."
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[music]
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[Bryan]
My first impression of Sean was
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that he was an
intelligent person, well-spoken.
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He seemed at ease,
but you could tell
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there was
some underlying tension.
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[Bryan] The question then moved
on to,
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had he ever
been out to that field
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where Donna Johnston’s body
was found?
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And he said, yes,
he had been familiar
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with that pasture out there,
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that he used to
go out there frequently
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to smoke weed.
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He said, in fact,
couple nights prior,
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that he had gone out there
on his way home.
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Gillis claimed that
he had to use the restroom,
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so he proceeded to this field
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where the body was located
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to get out and do his thing.
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So he put himself
at that location
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where her body was.
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We said,
"Well, why would you go there
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instead of going to your house?
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[Max] It would’ve been
very easy for him
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to just go directly home.
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It wouldn’t have been
hardly any longer to get there,
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and it just didn’t make sense.
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[Bryan] He made
some incredible statements
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that really tied
into the victims,
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along with the fact that he
said he knew Johnnie Mae
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and she had frequently
ridden in his vehicle with him,
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and he had had sex with her.
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He put himself at that location
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where Donna Johnston’s body
was found.
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Once he admitted that his car
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had absolutely made
the tire track
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and that he had backed up
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exactly where the car would have
backed up to dump the body,
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it became apparent
that it was him.
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It was obvious
he was starting to panic
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because of some
of the things he said,
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which was only pointing
a finger more at him.
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[Jeff] After several hours
of questioning,
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Mr. Gillis, he didn’t
confess to anything.
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And he looked at me and he said,
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"Jeff, you told me
you’d take me home
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when I’m ready to go home.
And I’m ready to go home."
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[Max] We were 99% sure
it was him.
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We had developed probable cause.
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We certainly could have
charged him at that point,
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but we wanted to make sure
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that we weren’t wrong.
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We put surveillance
on Mr. Gillis
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the minute he got home.
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[Bryan] At this point,
it was just a waiting game
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for the crime lab
to give us a word
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whether his DNA was a match.
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[Prem] Within four hours,
they got a hit.
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"We’ve got a match,
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and the killer of these women
is, in fact,
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Sean Vincent Gillis."
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[music]
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[Bryan] "Sean’s DNA has matched
to all three of our victims.
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It’s him. Absolutely, it’s him."
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I drafted an arrest warrant
for him
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for the murder
of Katherine Hall,
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Johnnie Mae Williams,
and Donna Bennett Johnston.
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Once the warrants were signed,
SWAT hits the house.
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My name is Terri Lemoine
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and I lived
with Sean Gillis for nine years.
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[Terri] April 29th, 2004,
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I was off that night and home.
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And for some reason,
Sean came to bed
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at the same time I did,
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which was something
he never did.
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Not even 10 seconds after
I had turned the light off,
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[metallic banging]
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there was what sounded
like a crash in the kitchen.
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And people were yelling,
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and all of a sudden,
the door got kicked in
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to the bedroom.
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And I’m standing in my bedroom,
in my bed clothes,
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with a bunch
of policemen around me.
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And I’m wanting to know
what is going on.
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I want to know
what’s going on right now.
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The policemen turned around,
and looked at me and said,
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"You didn’t know you were
living with a serial killer?"
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It was probably the most
disturbing interrogation
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[Pat] I’ve ever heard
in my life.
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Gillis liked to talk about
what he did
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in vivid detail.
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He really enjoyed the attention.
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Once we opened those floodgates,
it was hard to shut him up.
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I’
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with a bunch
of policemen around me.
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I’m wanting to know
what is going on.
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And the policeman turned around
and looked at me and said,
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"You didn’t know you were livin
with a serial killer?"
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I looked over at Sean
and he shrugged his shoulders.
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And said, "Sorry, honey bunny."
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[Terri] I met Sean Gillis,
working the night shift
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at a convenience store.
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One of my friends decided
that we should meet
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because we had
a whole lot in common.
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Same likes, dislikes, movies.
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He made me laugh too.
He was a geeky guy,
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the kind you’d wanna bring
home to mom.
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I basically worked
most of the time.
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I went to work at night
from 11:00 to 7:00.
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But Sean would always stay home
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He didn’t wanna go anywhere,
didn’t wanna do anything.
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That makes me angry
to think back.
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Sean reminded me of someone
who never wanted to grow up.
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I didn’t know how to feel,
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because, in a way,
it made me responsible
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because I was
taking care of Sean.
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It made me feel
like I was giving him
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the wherewithal
to do what he wanted.
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When you have
a lot of time to think,
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you question a lot
of decisions that you made.
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And when the policeman
turned around and said,
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"You didn’t know you were
living with a serial killer,"
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I just looked at him, I said,
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"Boy, have you got
the wrong house?"
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I’ve told that to people
over and over.
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None of what they were saying
made any sense.
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There was no way possible.
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Not Sean. No way.
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We said, "We absolutely have him
on Katherine Hall,
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Johnnie Mae Williams,
and Donna Bennett Johnston.
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"He can’t deny that."
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We knew that he
absolutely had more victims.
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So our interview strategy
was gonna be
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we’re not gonna press him
real hard.
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We knew, from his
prior interrogation,
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that, you know,
he liked to talk.
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He just got to a point
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where he was kind of
consigned to the fact
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that he was caught.
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And I said,
"Why don’t you tell us
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any others, Sean."
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And I remember he said,
"Do you have a pencil?"
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Once we opened those floodgates,
it was hard to shut him up.
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And he wanted to talk
and talk and talk.
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[Max] He really enjoyed
the attention.
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He identified several
homicides that he had committed.
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It seemed to be important
for him
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to have more bodies
to his credit
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than Derrick Todd Lee.
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He knew that Derrick Todd Lee
had already been arrested
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and was in the process
of going to trial.
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He’d been following it.
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[music]
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[Max] In addition
to the three homicides
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that we were working,
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he confessed to killing
Ann Bryan,
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Joyce Williams, Marilyn Nevils,
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Hardee Schmidt,
and Lillian Robinson.
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All were women who were killed
in the Baton Rouge area
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in the years previous
to catching him.
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[Bryan] He was very meticulous.
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He gave us names, places,
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graphic details at each scene,
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intimate details
about each victim.
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The Johnnie Mae Williams case,
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he said that, one night,
he and Johnnie Mae
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were riding around,
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and, you know they were doing
their drugs, listening to music.
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And he said he pulled
off behind a restaurant
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in the southeast part
of Baton Rouge.
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He said they were
just sitting there,
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listening to music,
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and he said Johnnie Mae
actually fell asleep.
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He said
something just took over.
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And so he said, "I just
slipped it around her neck
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and killed her."
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[music]
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[Max] As soon as you
can take a breath
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and realize that that’s over,
it’s not over.
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[Reporter] Many plenty other
cold cases
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that have remained unsolved.
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[Johnnie] He started choking me,
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put both of his hands
on either side of my neck,
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and he just started squeezing.
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[Reporter] A suspected
serial killer
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is behind bars tonight.
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I think I survived
because I had a purpose.
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[Bryan] Once Sean Gillis
started confessing,
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he talked and talked.
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He gave us names, places,
intimate details.
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It was probably the most
disturbing interrogation
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I’ve ever heard in my life.
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With Katherine Hall’s body,
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the most striking thing
was the cuttings.
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He talked about when he cut
Katherine Hall’s leg,
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he said he cut it deep
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and he said
it kind of laid open.
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He said that the moonlight
had hit her bone
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and "It was so white,
I just wanted to touch it."
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Sean told us that
he had the perfect situation
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with his relationship
with Terri.
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He would drive her to work
and drop her off,
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he said,
which basically gave him
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eight free hours
to roam the streets,
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and he actually called it
hunting, "to go hunting."
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[Reporter] Sean Gillis
has confessed
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to the murder
of at least eight women.
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[Reporter 2] Gillis led members
of the task force
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to locations
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where he allegedly
hid the bodies of his victims.
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[Terri] After going to court
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and listening to
how some of the things occurred
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one thing I had found out
was that
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he had dismembered
one of his victims
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on the kitchen floor.
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And I made a point to go home
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and tear up my floor
in the kitchen.
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And as I was pulling it up,
underneath the tile,
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there was still
big spots of blood.
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It made me feel guilty
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and then it made me feel angry
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because I was feeling guilty.
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And everybody told me I wasn’t
supposed to feel guilty.
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How can you not?
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So many people
have asked me,
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"How could you not know?"
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Why would I know?
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If your husband stays gone
for an odd amount of time,
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and you’re gonna think he’s off
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I’ll say the word,
actually killing someone?
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First thing you’re gonna
think about is,
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"Oh, he might be
seeing another woman."
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This was a letter
that Sean wrote to me
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right after he was arrested
in 2004.
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"My dearest Terri,
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thank you so much
for the last eight years.
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I wish we had 80 more.
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I have never loved a woman
so much
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that each day from you
seems like a year.
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The closer my time daws near,
the less courage I have.
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I do not wanna die this way.
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I know there is
something wrong with my brain,
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but no one gives a damn
to check it out.
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Well, it’s not over
until it’s over.
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Love you so much,
Honey Bunny. Sean."
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Excuse me.
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I know I can’t change
anything that happened.
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I mean, I would if I could.
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Sean took away
the lives of those people.
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I can’t let him
take away mine also.
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[Reporter] The first full day
of testimony underway
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of the first-degree murder tria
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of accused serial killer
Derrick Todd Lee.
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[music]
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[Ann] The trial itself
was surreal.
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It’s like being caught
in a story that can’t be true,
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but you can’t get out of it.
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[Dianne] My being in
the same room
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with Derrick Todd Lee
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wasn’t strange for me
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because I had prayed.
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I prayed and asked God
to let me face him,
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and let me look him in the eye
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so that he would know
that I know
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what he had done to me.
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[Prem] God bless
Dianne Alexander.
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Dianne Alexander
spoke for the dead.
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She spoke for all the women
who came before her
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who had lost their lives
in a violent way.
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She was the voice
of the dead through her life.
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[Ann] She is unflappable.
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And she identified him
absolutely positively
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with no reservations,
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and that’s the deal.
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She is the nail
in his coffin.
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[music]
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[Ann] And when the verdict
came down,
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we were so happy,
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and you get such
an intense relief.
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We thought when it came back
so quickly...
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I’m sorry.
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I just can’t believe
it’s finally happened.
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I’m overwhelmed.
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[music]
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[Anchor] Authorities say
Derrick Lee
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and serial killer
Sean Gillis together
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have killed 15 women,
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00:20:54,712 --> 00:20:56,922
but there are many, many
other cold cases
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that have remained unsolved.
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Authorities say
about 60 women
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have been murdered in and aroun
Baton Rouge since 1992.
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With the trial
of Derrick Todd Lee
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and the trial
of Sean Vincent Gillis,
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we have two serial killers
being tried
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for killing
women in Baton Rouge.
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At the same time, they got
homicides that’s not solved yet
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[Bryan] They’re both
in jail now.
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There’s still a lot
of unsolved homicides.
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There’s also more female victims
popping up around town.
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We had quite a few
high-risk lifestyle women
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killed in the same general area,
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Florida Edwards
and also Sylvia Cobb.
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[Dana] I think that
law enforcement was concerned
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that because they were both
posed, both bound
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in areas that were frequented
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by drug users and prostitutes,
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that these victims may have been
murdered by the same person.
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[Prem] It was incredible
to even contemplate,
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but could there be
a third serial killer
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here at Baton Rouge.
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[Reporter] It’s been more than
two years and four month
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since LSU grad student
Murray Pace
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was brutally murdered.
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[Reporter 2] Louisiana
investigators are searching
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for more possible victims
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of alleged serial killer
Derrick Todd Lee.
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In 2002, while law enforcement
is investigating
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the deaths of
Gina Green and Murray Pace,
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there were a lot of murders
in downtown Baton Rouge,
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under somewhat
different circumstances.
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I think it was
just concern that,
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"Oh, we’ve got
another dead woman here.
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I mean, what is going on?"
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And then the next one happened.
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[music]
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[Christopher] We got
a phone call
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from a local resident
that observed a female body
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near the south side
of the old Dillard’s store.
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This was the place where
the body was discovered
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on that morning.
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Ten feet from the building
south of the structure.
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She was in a flower bed,
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just about this area here.
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The victim is laid
on her back.
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00:23:10,556 --> 00:23:13,976
Her legs was positioned
between the two smaller trees.
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Her shirt was pulled above
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her breast area near her throat.
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[Dana] She was laid out
in the flower bed.
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It appeared
that she had been posed.
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[Christopher] It was obvious
she was strangled
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because there was blood
on her T-shirt.
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It appears that the shirt
that was on her body
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may have been used as a ligature
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to choke and strangle
the victim.
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[music]
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[Dana] She was found
in downtown Baton Rouge
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closer to where Sylvia
and Florida were found.
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The three murders
had several things in common.
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All three of the victims
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appeared to be
sexually assaulted.
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And all three of them
were in areas
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where there were drugs,
prostitution, high-risk areas.
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[music]
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We processed the crime scene
and the victim was identified
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as Renee Newman.
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DNA was ultimately run
on the evidence found
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on Florida Edwards’ body
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as well as evidence
on Renee Newman’s body.
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00:24:21,251 --> 00:24:22,881
They connected those two,
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but they didn’t know
who the killer was.
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[music]
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[Christopher] Working as
a homicide detective,
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you really wanna solve
every case that you work.
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00:24:36,058 --> 00:24:38,388
You wanna bring
closure to the families.
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It takes a toll on you
as an investigator.
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00:24:42,272 --> 00:24:45,192
You always thinking about
the case that you’re working.
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00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:48,825
You always thinking, "What is i
I could’ve done different,
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00:24:49,446 --> 00:24:51,156
what clues
I may have overlooked."
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00:25:00,582 --> 00:25:03,042
While investigating
Renee Newman’s homicide,
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we received a tip
that maybe Sean Vincent Gillis
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may have known her.
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That prompted us
to interview Sean Gillis
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relative to that investigation.
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00:25:14,763 --> 00:25:16,433
Sean was very forthcoming
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00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:18,353
with the previous
murder investigations.
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I would actually say in the ones
involving Renee Newman
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and also the ones
done in Baton Rouge,
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since he was accused of killing
high-risk lifestyle women.
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00:25:37,327 --> 00:25:39,747
[Christopher] Sometimes it takes
a killer to know a killer
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and Sean can shed life
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not only on himself
as being a killer
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but also any additional killers
that he may know.
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Sean told me that,
while he was out there
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searching for a victim,
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he observed another hunter,
another serial killer.
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[Bryan] He said,
"I’m telling you,
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when our eyes locked,
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00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:23,004
we both knew
exactly why we were there.
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[music]
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[Christopher] Sean would not
tell me
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what the other hunter
looked like.
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I guess maybe
they’ve got some kind
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of strict code of conduct
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when it comes to killers
recognizing other killers
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not to divulge
who the other person was.
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He refused to give that
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and that’s when
the interview stopped.
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[music]
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[Johnnie] I am Johnnie Martinez.
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I decided to catch my bus
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to go to the store
to get me some medications.
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00:27:07,251 --> 00:27:09,171
I get off of the bus,
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but the store
is still a ways around
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from where the bus is.
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On the right-hand side,
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there’s a big bush, wooded area.
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00:27:19,930 --> 00:27:22,220
And as I’m walking down
the pathway,
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I see a man
coming down towards me.
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00:27:25,185 --> 00:27:27,845
He was walking
towards the bus stop.
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00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:29,976
He said, "You have
some extra change?"
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When I reached out
to give it to him,
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he grabbed my wrist.
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00:27:38,574 --> 00:27:41,534
He threw a punch,
kind of dazed me a bit.
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00:27:41,577 --> 00:27:43,037
And when I look,
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he was drawing me
towards those big old woods.
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00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:47,790
And I was helpless.
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00:27:47,833 --> 00:27:49,083
There was nothing I could do
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00:27:49,126 --> 00:27:51,036
to prevent him
from taking me in there.
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He was a lot larger than me,
real kind of big-looking guy.
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He had droopy cheeks
like Droopy the dog.
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That’s how I remembered him,
by his cheeks.
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I determined
that I would give him
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the same eye each time
he went to punch me
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00:28:10,063 --> 00:28:13,323
because I saw him
with the other eye
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00:28:13,775 --> 00:28:16,435
and I wanted to make sure
that if
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I would get out of there alive,
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that I wanted to be able
to identify.
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00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:34,464
I think I survived
because I had a purpose.
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God only knows
what your purpose is.
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And he presents it to you
at that point in your life.
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He started choking me,
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put both of his big fat hands
502
00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:50,314
on either side of my neck
and he just started squeezing.
503
00:28:51,396 --> 00:28:54,896
[Dana] Johnnie decided
the best way to survive
504
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,739
was to tell him,
505
00:28:57,778 --> 00:28:59,648
as he tried
to sexually assault her,
506
00:28:59,696 --> 00:29:00,816
that she had AIDS.
507
00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:02,164
She did not have AIDS,
508
00:29:02,199 --> 00:29:03,659
but she was hoping
that would keep her
509
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:05,330
from being sexually assaulted.
510
00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:08,000
Once he couldn’t rape me,
511
00:29:08,038 --> 00:29:11,168
there was not much he could do
but steal my purse.
512
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,670
She decided
that she had a chance
513
00:29:14,711 --> 00:29:18,421
to survive if she
just played dead.
514
00:29:20,259 --> 00:29:22,089
I take a little breath
515
00:29:23,887 --> 00:29:25,967
and close my eyes.
516
00:29:29,101 --> 00:29:31,981
And I feel him get off of me.
517
00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:37,110
And once he got off of me,
518
00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:40,106
I waited a few more seconds.
519
00:29:43,532 --> 00:29:45,072
And he was gone.
520
00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:55,420
[Reggie] I get a call
and the call is in reference
521
00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:58,880
to someone that was beaten,
possibly attempted rape,
522
00:29:58,922 --> 00:30:00,882
really in bad condition.
523
00:30:00,924 --> 00:30:02,724
And they said, "Hey,
the person that’s injured
524
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:03,929
you know,
525
00:30:03,969 --> 00:30:05,139
and she says
she knows you well."
526
00:30:05,178 --> 00:30:06,848
And I said,
"Well, who would that be?"
527
00:30:06,888 --> 00:30:08,718
And it was Johnnie.
528
00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:10,345
And, you know, I was shocked.
529
00:30:11,101 --> 00:30:13,731
[Reggie] Johnnie worked at
a fast food restaurant
530
00:30:13,770 --> 00:30:15,520
that, during our patrol hours,
531
00:30:15,564 --> 00:30:17,404
I would go over there and eat.
532
00:30:17,441 --> 00:30:20,071
And me and Johnnie
became really good friends.
533
00:30:20,736 --> 00:30:22,856
[Reggie] I immediately
got dressed
534
00:30:22,904 --> 00:30:24,954
and I went to the hospital.
535
00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:28,580
I can tell you this,
I walked into the room
536
00:30:28,618 --> 00:30:29,948
and I stood
to the back of the room.
537
00:30:29,995 --> 00:30:31,835
And when I saw her,
538
00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:34,292
pretty much, tears
came from my eyes.
539
00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:38,341
[Johnnie] I had
one big swollen eye
540
00:30:38,754 --> 00:30:40,804
with knots on the side of it.
541
00:30:41,298 --> 00:30:43,928
I had marks
all on the side of my neck.
542
00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:46,886
I looked just like a monster.
543
00:30:46,928 --> 00:30:48,928
My friends came to visit me
544
00:30:48,972 --> 00:30:50,722
after it happened.
545
00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:51,926
They were all crying,
546
00:30:51,975 --> 00:30:53,935
and it hurt me more
547
00:30:53,977 --> 00:30:56,897
because I didn’t want them
to cry for me.
548
00:30:58,315 --> 00:31:00,285
[Reggie] We knew
that her purse was missing.
549
00:31:00,984 --> 00:31:02,784
She said she had a debit card
550
00:31:02,819 --> 00:31:05,859
and it had, possibly,
$700 or so on it.
551
00:31:05,906 --> 00:31:08,066
So we asked her
to make the phone call.
552
00:31:08,825 --> 00:31:10,075
[Dana] He took her purse,
553
00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:12,038
and he went to an ATM,
554
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:15,159
and he used her card at the ATM.
555
00:31:15,207 --> 00:31:17,957
And they have a beautiful
picture of him using the card.
556
00:31:20,170 --> 00:31:22,590
So this was the break
we was looking for.
557
00:31:26,468 --> 00:31:28,218
[Johnnie] I threw
the picture down.
558
00:31:28,261 --> 00:31:29,971
I said, "Man, that’s the guy."
559
00:31:30,847 --> 00:31:32,217
That was him.
560
00:31:32,265 --> 00:31:34,555
He said, "You sure?"
I said, "I’m positive."
561
00:31:34,601 --> 00:31:37,231
Remember I told you
he had droopy cheeks?
562
00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:39,440
Look at his droopy cheeks
on there.
563
00:31:40,023 --> 00:31:42,363
She immediately identified
the guy,
564
00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:44,241
the best feeling ever.
565
00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:54,622
[Dana] Police identified him
as Jeffery Guillory
566
00:31:54,663 --> 00:31:56,623
and found
that he had frequented,
567
00:31:56,665 --> 00:31:58,255
I think, a halfway house
568
00:31:58,291 --> 00:32:01,841
that was in close proximity
to where she was attacked.
569
00:32:02,879 --> 00:32:06,049
We found that Guillory
was from Lake Charles,
570
00:32:06,091 --> 00:32:07,681
was from a family of 10.
571
00:32:07,717 --> 00:32:09,177
He had several convictions
572
00:32:09,219 --> 00:32:11,759
including burglary
and drug convictions.
573
00:32:12,722 --> 00:32:15,352
[Christopher] So our detective
got a warrant for his arrest
574
00:32:15,392 --> 00:32:18,062
for that particular case
with using the ATM machine
575
00:32:18,103 --> 00:32:20,733
with a stolen credit card.
576
00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:23,189
[Dana] When he was arrested
577
00:32:23,233 --> 00:32:26,193
for the attack
on Johnnie Martinez,
578
00:32:26,236 --> 00:32:28,446
police took his fingerprints
579
00:32:28,488 --> 00:32:30,778
as well as his DNA.
580
00:32:30,824 --> 00:32:36,664
[music]
581
00:32:36,705 --> 00:32:41,715
[Dana] The DNA evidence that was
taken from Florida Edwards
582
00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:43,211
as well as Renee Newman
583
00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:46,213
was in the system,
and it was a hit.
584
00:32:47,424 --> 00:32:49,344
[Christopher] It was also
able to match
585
00:32:49,384 --> 00:32:51,054
Jeffery Guillory’s fingerprint
586
00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:53,684
to that of
a beer can left at crime scene
587
00:32:53,722 --> 00:32:56,062
of Sylvia Cobb
on North Arcadian.
588
00:32:56,725 --> 00:32:59,025
[Reporter] Jeffery Lee Guillory
was charged today
589
00:32:59,060 --> 00:33:00,690
for the murders of three women,
590
00:33:00,729 --> 00:33:03,899
Florida Edwards, Sylvia Cobb,
and Renee Newman.
591
00:33:04,441 --> 00:33:08,401
[music]
592
00:33:13,158 --> 00:33:14,908
[Dana] Investigators
questioned him
593
00:33:14,951 --> 00:33:17,081
about Sylvia Cobb.
594
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,660
They questioned him
about Renee Newman
595
00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:21,325
and they questioned him
about Florida Edwards.
596
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:26,379
[Christopher] He denied
knowing the females,
597
00:33:26,421 --> 00:33:28,551
but he was engaged
in the conversation.
598
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:33,390
[Christopher] I showed him
eight photographs
599
00:33:33,428 --> 00:33:35,718
of the victims that was killed
in that same area.
600
00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:39,104
Jeffery said he did not know
any of the women.
601
00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:41,982
But he eventually said
he knew Sylvia Cobb.
602
00:33:45,982 --> 00:33:48,692
The body of Sylvia Cobb
was found
603
00:33:48,735 --> 00:33:52,445
in the same general area,
in an abandoned house.
604
00:33:52,489 --> 00:33:56,239
This is all kind of close
to downtown Baton Rouge.
605
00:33:57,285 --> 00:33:58,655
[Christopher] He knew her
but he had never been
606
00:33:58,703 --> 00:34:00,873
at the house
where her body was discovered.
607
00:34:01,289 --> 00:34:04,959
At times, he would smile
and he was not intimidated.
608
00:34:22,185 --> 00:34:25,345
He seemed so calm and so cool.
609
00:34:26,731 --> 00:34:28,611
[Dana] He was totally unruffled.
610
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:32,359
He just continued to deny
any involvement.
611
00:34:39,327 --> 00:34:41,157
We had Jeffery DNA
at a crime scene,
612
00:34:41,204 --> 00:34:43,044
so as an investigator,
I’m thinking
613
00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:44,501
that he’s gonna
admit to what he did
614
00:34:44,541 --> 00:34:46,631
because we could prove
that his DNA was there.
615
00:34:47,168 --> 00:34:48,998
I’m thinking
that he’s gonna man up
616
00:34:49,045 --> 00:34:52,045
and say, "I was there.
I did kill the victims."
617
00:35:21,745 --> 00:35:23,505
[Christopher laughing]
618
00:35:24,706 --> 00:35:26,206
[Christopher] He never did
admit to it, you know,
619
00:35:26,249 --> 00:35:28,039
so what do you get from that?
620
00:35:28,084 --> 00:35:29,714
How do you assess a person
621
00:35:29,753 --> 00:35:31,753
who don’t wanna admit
to the truth?
622
00:35:32,756 --> 00:35:35,586
Still, he’s a killer,
and I knew he was
623
00:35:35,634 --> 00:35:37,264
because of the fact that
we were able to trace him
624
00:35:37,302 --> 00:35:39,182
to these three crime scenes.
625
00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:55,990
Authorities call
Jeffery Lee Guillory
626
00:35:56,029 --> 00:35:57,569
a suspected serial killer,
627
00:35:57,614 --> 00:35:59,784
making him the third
man accused of that title
628
00:35:59,824 --> 00:36:02,744
in the Baton Rouge area
in the last 10 years.
629
00:36:02,786 --> 00:36:04,656
[Reporter] Guillory’s
fingerprints were found
630
00:36:04,704 --> 00:36:06,794
at the scene of
Sylvia Cobb’s murder
631
00:36:06,831 --> 00:36:08,251
but says DNA evidence
632
00:36:08,291 --> 00:36:10,711
links Guillory
to both Newman and Edwards.
633
00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:13,247
The mother of one alleged victim
634
00:36:13,296 --> 00:36:14,756
is still in Baton Rouge tonight.
635
00:36:14,798 --> 00:36:17,588
Ora Lee Jackson,
was at a loss for words
636
00:36:17,634 --> 00:36:21,054
after news of today’s arrest
in the death of Sylvia Cobb.
637
00:36:21,096 --> 00:36:24,266
I cried and seemed
that I couldn’t
638
00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:26,597
get that together,
couldn’t eat, couldn’t sleep.
639
00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:28,773
And I said,
"Well, thank you, Jesus.
640
00:36:28,812 --> 00:36:30,232
They found the killer."
641
00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:35,147
[music]
642
00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:42,366
[Dana] Johnnie Martinez
came to trial
643
00:36:42,409 --> 00:36:44,619
in order to make sure
644
00:36:44,661 --> 00:36:47,961
that Jeffery Guillory
would never be able
645
00:36:47,997 --> 00:36:50,787
to harm another woman.
646
00:37:01,177 --> 00:37:03,297
[Dana] Finally, we have our guy
647
00:37:03,346 --> 00:37:06,636
for these murders
that occurred in 1999,
648
00:37:06,683 --> 00:37:09,773
2001, and 2002.
649
00:37:10,729 --> 00:37:12,479
[Christopher] With the arrest
of Jeffery Guillory,
650
00:37:12,522 --> 00:37:14,402
now we have
a third serial killer
651
00:37:14,441 --> 00:37:16,441
that’s taken off the streets
of Baton Rouge.
652
00:37:16,484 --> 00:37:18,784
I think that Jeffery’s
also responsible
653
00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:20,990
for the other homicides
that took place in Baton Rouge.
654
00:37:21,448 --> 00:37:23,198
A pproximately 13 females
655
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:25,201
with high-risk lifestyle
was murdered
656
00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:26,663
in the same manner.
657
00:37:27,871 --> 00:37:30,331
I think he’s also responsible
for those murders as well.
658
00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:37,339
[Bryan] The arrest of
serial killer Derrick Todd Lee,
659
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:39,630
serial killer
Sean Vincent Gillis,
660
00:37:39,674 --> 00:37:42,184
and serial killer
Jeffery Guillory,
661
00:37:42,218 --> 00:37:44,178
all in Baton Rouge,
662
00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:46,470
all within
a very short time period.
663
00:37:47,307 --> 00:37:49,307
[Dana] The whole city
was relieved,
664
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:52,600
but the amount of loss
665
00:37:52,645 --> 00:37:56,315
and the amount of sadness,
it’s hard.
666
00:37:57,609 --> 00:37:59,569
[Prem] There was such grief
667
00:38:00,069 --> 00:38:02,659
for the mothers of those women,
668
00:38:02,697 --> 00:38:04,157
such grief,
669
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:08,409
that I don’t think that
that sorrow has ever gone away.
670
00:38:10,121 --> 00:38:11,791
[Ann] The families
of the victims
671
00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:16,541
of Derrick Todd Lee
was a huge support
672
00:38:16,586 --> 00:38:19,376
from sharing that common horror.
673
00:38:19,923 --> 00:38:22,343
We felt very connected.
674
00:38:22,383 --> 00:38:23,883
We weren’t alone.
675
00:38:23,927 --> 00:38:25,887
We had each other.
676
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,560
[music]
677
00:38:32,602 --> 00:38:36,112
[Ann] I don’t want to be
overcritical of the police
678
00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:40,107
because I really do think
they did the best they could.
679
00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:41,321
I do think that.
680
00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:43,401
[Ann] Before AFIS, before CODIS,
681
00:38:43,446 --> 00:38:45,066
before all those systems
682
00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:47,074
kind of created a network
683
00:38:47,116 --> 00:38:48,946
for law enforcement,
684
00:38:48,993 --> 00:38:51,123
things were very isolated.
685
00:38:51,162 --> 00:38:52,332
You could commit crimes
686
00:38:52,372 --> 00:38:54,872
in two counties
in the same state.
687
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:57,290
They wouldn’t connect.
688
00:39:16,396 --> 00:39:17,856
That would be
the question there.
689
00:39:17,897 --> 00:39:21,187
They’re dropping this name
that he’s a serial killer.
690
00:39:21,651 --> 00:39:23,941
None of this really makes sense.
691
00:39:26,531 --> 00:39:28,451
[Ann] They were still
utterly convinced
692
00:39:28,491 --> 00:39:32,791
that Randy’s ex-husband was
the person who had killed her.
693
00:39:33,288 --> 00:39:34,788
[Mike] I told them
694
00:39:34,831 --> 00:39:37,831
that the whole time
while you’re investigating me,
695
00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:40,956
the person responsible
is still out there.
696
00:39:41,004 --> 00:39:43,594
And he killed
six more women after that.
697
00:39:44,007 --> 00:39:45,667
In 1998,
698
00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:49,507
they did not run
Derrick Lee’s DNA,
699
00:39:49,554 --> 00:39:52,474
and think how that would’ve
changed the world.
700
00:39:52,515 --> 00:39:54,845
Why didn’t you ever try
to get a DNA sample?
701
00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:56,983
Had that been
the perfect world of now,
702
00:39:57,020 --> 00:40:00,150
Derrick Todd Lee, he would’ve
been caught right away.
703
00:40:00,857 --> 00:40:02,977
We wanted to get
Derrick Todd Lee’s DNA.
704
00:40:03,026 --> 00:40:06,146
It was early on in the DNA era
705
00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:08,485
as what DNA could do
706
00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:11,781
and never had training on DNA
up to the end,
707
00:40:11,826 --> 00:40:14,656
and really never
understood it, what it could do.
708
00:40:14,704 --> 00:40:17,374
I mean, I understand
what fingerprints can do.
709
00:40:17,415 --> 00:40:18,995
But being a small agency,
710
00:40:19,042 --> 00:40:21,092
we didn’t know
a whole lot about DNA.
711
00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:28,840
It was frustrating.
712
00:40:28,885 --> 00:40:30,895
There’s probably mistakes
we made too,
713
00:40:30,929 --> 00:40:33,349
and like I say,
throughout my years
714
00:40:33,389 --> 00:40:35,519
of working investigations
715
00:40:35,558 --> 00:40:38,688
from ’94 to 2010,
it taught me a lot.
716
00:40:39,062 --> 00:40:40,862
And I think more communication
717
00:40:40,897 --> 00:40:42,357
would’ve been better
on this case,
718
00:40:42,398 --> 00:40:44,568
and maybe we could’ve stopped
some murders.
719
00:40:47,236 --> 00:40:49,656
[music]
720
00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:53,698
[Ann] That’s a thing that you
can’t think about too much,
721
00:40:53,743 --> 00:40:58,753
the fact that, had they run
that DNA in 1998,
722
00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:02,380
that Murray, Gina,
723
00:41:02,418 --> 00:41:06,298
Pam, Carrie, Dene,
724
00:41:06,339 --> 00:41:08,379
all of them would be alive
725
00:41:08,424 --> 00:41:10,054
’cause he would’ve been caught.
726
00:41:10,093 --> 00:41:15,513
It’s just one of those
horrible turns of life.
727
00:41:19,769 --> 00:41:22,899
[music]
728
00:41:26,943 --> 00:41:28,573
[Christopher] The wounds
of that time
729
00:41:28,611 --> 00:41:30,701
are still open,
it’s not healed yet.
730
00:41:31,864 --> 00:41:34,374
The wounds are still fresh toda
731
00:41:34,409 --> 00:41:36,369
as it was back in the ’90s
732
00:41:36,411 --> 00:41:38,081
and 2000s as well.
733
00:41:39,288 --> 00:41:40,578
It still haunts the city
734
00:41:40,623 --> 00:41:43,713
because that’s a dark part
of our history.
735
00:41:46,462 --> 00:41:48,092
[Ann] There are so many women
736
00:41:48,131 --> 00:41:50,631
who had been murdered
737
00:41:50,675 --> 00:41:53,435
whose cases were unsolved.
738
00:41:53,469 --> 00:41:56,639
And that’s one thing
you think of with ours,
739
00:41:57,140 --> 00:42:00,980
that we were fortunate
to know what happened,
740
00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:05,312
and to know who
and what and why,
741
00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:07,776
as much as you can know why.
742
00:42:09,193 --> 00:42:10,903
[Man] Eugenie Boisfontaine.
743
00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:13,105
Dianna Williams.
744
00:42:13,156 --> 00:42:14,986
Tannis Walker.
745
00:42:15,033 --> 00:42:16,833
Patricia Harkins.
746
00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:22,291
[Dana] It’s upsetting
to read so many names
747
00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:23,621
of so many victims
748
00:42:23,666 --> 00:42:26,456
that were killed
during that period of time.
749
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:28,630
And it’s also upsetting
750
00:42:28,671 --> 00:42:32,381
that their killer was never
made answerable
751
00:42:32,425 --> 00:42:33,975
for those murders.
752
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:36,640
It may have been
Jeffery Guillory.
753
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,639
It may have been
Derrick Todd Lee.
754
00:42:40,016 --> 00:42:42,136
It may have been
Sean Vincent Gillis,
755
00:42:42,185 --> 00:42:44,775
or it may have been
somebody totally unrelated.
756
00:42:44,812 --> 00:42:47,942
But their families
have even less answers
757
00:42:48,357 --> 00:42:51,147
and have never received justice.
758
00:42:55,198 --> 00:42:57,238
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