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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,920 In the late 1990s and early 2000s, 2 00:00:11,136 --> 00:00:14,216 several women were victimized in Baton Rouge. 3 00:00:15,432 --> 00:00:17,772 [Dana] People that had high-risk lifestyles 4 00:00:17,809 --> 00:00:19,479 that were killed. 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,900 There were women that were take from their homes and killed. 6 00:00:21,939 --> 00:00:23,439 [Christopher] We knew we had a serial killer 7 00:00:23,482 --> 00:00:25,032 operating in the city of Baton Rouge. 8 00:00:26,401 --> 00:00:28,241 [Pat] I think that the fear at Baton Rouge at that point 9 00:00:28,278 --> 00:00:30,158 was starting to get at a tipping point. 10 00:00:30,489 --> 00:00:32,199 Remain calm. I know there’s a lot of fear 11 00:00:32,241 --> 00:00:33,531 in the city and I feel it. 12 00:00:33,575 --> 00:00:36,285 I didn’t even know he was a serial killer. 13 00:00:36,703 --> 00:00:38,333 I believe I survived 14 00:00:38,372 --> 00:00:41,422 because God needed to use someone 15 00:00:41,458 --> 00:00:44,168 to bring justice for their loved ones. 16 00:00:44,753 --> 00:00:47,303 [Reporter] A break in the Louisiana serial killer case. 17 00:00:47,339 --> 00:00:49,469 An arrest warrant for Derrick Todd Lee 18 00:00:49,508 --> 00:00:51,798 has been issued at East Baton Rouge Parish. 19 00:00:51,843 --> 00:00:53,933 on the charges of first-degree murder 20 00:00:53,971 --> 00:00:55,351 and aggravated rape. 21 00:00:56,390 --> 00:00:58,310 [Dana] For the city of Baton Rouge, 22 00:00:58,350 --> 00:01:02,060 it was a collective sigh of relief. 23 00:01:02,646 --> 00:01:05,106 [Max] And then as soon as you can take a breath 24 00:01:05,148 --> 00:01:07,568 and you realize that that’s over, it’s not over. 25 00:01:08,193 --> 00:01:10,533 [Dana] We have these murders that are differen 26 00:01:10,571 --> 00:01:13,161 happening in downtown Baton Rouge. 27 00:01:13,198 --> 00:01:15,778 Could we have another serial killer? 28 00:01:16,368 --> 00:01:19,498 [Bryan] Katherine Hall was significantly cut 29 00:01:19,538 --> 00:01:21,248 where you could actually see the bone. 30 00:01:21,290 --> 00:01:22,620 [Max] On Johnnie Mae Williams, 31 00:01:22,666 --> 00:01:25,166 we discovered her hands had been removed. 32 00:01:25,711 --> 00:01:27,961 Donna Bennett Johnston, one of her arms 33 00:01:28,005 --> 00:01:30,475 had been severed from the elbow down. 34 00:01:30,507 --> 00:01:32,547 [Prem] You’ve got these ritualistic cuttings. 35 00:01:32,593 --> 00:01:35,053 This is a totally different animal. 36 00:01:35,554 --> 00:01:37,814 They absolutely know at this point, 37 00:01:38,181 --> 00:01:41,271 this is serial killer number two. 38 00:01:42,019 --> 00:01:44,979 [Dana] I couldn’t even imagine what type of person 39 00:01:45,022 --> 00:01:46,232 would do this. 40 00:01:46,273 --> 00:01:48,193 It didn’t make any sense. 41 00:01:48,233 --> 00:01:50,613 [Bryan] And there was more female victims 42 00:01:50,652 --> 00:01:51,822 popping up around town. 43 00:01:52,237 --> 00:01:55,157 It was incredible to even contemplate. 44 00:01:55,198 --> 00:01:57,328 And then the next one happened. 45 00:01:57,367 --> 00:02:01,367 But could there be a third serial killer? 46 00:02:01,413 --> 00:02:05,333 [music] 47 00:02:12,049 --> 00:02:16,549 ♪ Like a whisper in the hollow 48 00:02:16,595 --> 00:02:21,525 ♪ Tears fall down while they pray for tomorrow ♪ 49 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:25,650 ♪ Nobody knows Nobody sees ♪ 50 00:02:25,687 --> 00:02:30,017 ♪ Search back of roads and cold city streets ♪ 51 00:02:30,067 --> 00:02:33,857 ♪ There’s evil in the dark ♪ 52 00:02:34,780 --> 00:02:40,370 ♪ Blood on the hands and the devil will follow ♪ 53 00:02:43,705 --> 00:02:48,415 [music] 54 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:52,800 February of ’04, the body of Donna Johnston was recovered 55 00:02:52,839 --> 00:02:55,509 in a remote canal near LSU. 56 00:02:55,967 --> 00:02:58,427 When they were working the Donna Johnston scene, 57 00:02:58,470 --> 00:03:00,430 we discovered a tire track. 58 00:03:00,472 --> 00:03:02,272 The tire that we were looking at 59 00:03:02,307 --> 00:03:05,767 was ultimately identified was a Goodyear Aquatred 3. 60 00:03:06,311 --> 00:03:08,481 When we identified the individuals 61 00:03:08,522 --> 00:03:10,732 that had the tire from Goodyear, 62 00:03:10,774 --> 00:03:13,114 one of those was Sean Vincent Gillis. 63 00:03:14,569 --> 00:03:17,699 The following day, I went to see Mr. Gillis 64 00:03:17,739 --> 00:03:19,659 at his residence. 65 00:03:20,367 --> 00:03:22,787 That’s when we asked him for his swab. 66 00:03:22,828 --> 00:03:26,748 He readily volunteered to provide a DNA sample. 67 00:03:28,709 --> 00:03:32,749 Sean agreed to come down to the office for questioning. 68 00:03:33,839 --> 00:03:36,629 Before he got in the vehicle, he smoked half his cigarette, 69 00:03:36,675 --> 00:03:38,475 and he threw it on the ground, and he said, 70 00:03:38,510 --> 00:03:40,390 "Let’s get this over with." 71 00:03:43,849 --> 00:03:46,559 [music] 72 00:03:50,522 --> 00:03:52,652 [Bryan] My first impression of Sean was 73 00:03:52,691 --> 00:03:56,821 that he was an intelligent person, well-spoken. 74 00:03:57,154 --> 00:03:59,664 He seemed at ease, but you could tell 75 00:03:59,698 --> 00:04:01,948 there was some underlying tension. 76 00:04:16,882 --> 00:04:19,052 [Bryan] The question then moved on to, 77 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:21,472 had he ever been out to that field 78 00:04:21,511 --> 00:04:23,811 where Donna Johnston’s body was found? 79 00:04:25,390 --> 00:04:27,560 And he said, yes, he had been familiar 80 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:29,141 with that pasture out there, 81 00:04:29,186 --> 00:04:30,976 that he used to go out there frequently 82 00:04:31,021 --> 00:04:32,361 to smoke weed. 83 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,580 He said, in fact, couple nights prior, 84 00:04:45,619 --> 00:04:48,619 that he had gone out there on his way home. 85 00:04:54,628 --> 00:04:57,338 Gillis claimed that he had to use the restroom, 86 00:04:57,380 --> 00:05:00,170 so he proceeded to this field 87 00:05:00,217 --> 00:05:02,387 where the body was located 88 00:05:02,427 --> 00:05:05,347 to get out and do his thing. 89 00:05:12,687 --> 00:05:15,357 So he put himself at that location 90 00:05:15,398 --> 00:05:16,728 where her body was. 91 00:05:16,775 --> 00:05:19,035 We said, "Well, why would you go there 92 00:05:19,069 --> 00:05:21,069 instead of going to your house? 93 00:05:21,613 --> 00:05:24,123 [Max] It would’ve been very easy for him 94 00:05:24,157 --> 00:05:25,577 to just go directly home. 95 00:05:25,617 --> 00:05:28,997 It wouldn’t have been hardly any longer to get there, 96 00:05:29,037 --> 00:05:30,747 and it just didn’t make sense. 97 00:05:30,789 --> 00:05:32,869 [Bryan] He made some incredible statements 98 00:05:32,916 --> 00:05:34,746 that really tied into the victims, 99 00:05:34,793 --> 00:05:37,883 along with the fact that he said he knew Johnnie Mae 100 00:05:37,921 --> 00:05:40,211 and she had frequently ridden in his vehicle with him, 101 00:05:40,257 --> 00:05:42,127 and he had had sex with her. 102 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:44,585 He put himself at that location 103 00:05:44,636 --> 00:05:47,056 where Donna Johnston’s body was found. 104 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:49,719 Once he admitted that his car 105 00:05:49,766 --> 00:05:52,226 had absolutely made the tire track 106 00:05:52,269 --> 00:05:53,769 and that he had backed up 107 00:05:53,812 --> 00:05:57,612 exactly where the car would have backed up to dump the body, 108 00:05:57,649 --> 00:05:59,979 it became apparent that it was him. 109 00:06:00,610 --> 00:06:02,900 It was obvious he was starting to panic 110 00:06:02,946 --> 00:06:04,736 because of some of the things he said, 111 00:06:04,781 --> 00:06:07,661 which was only pointing a finger more at him. 112 00:06:08,785 --> 00:06:10,655 [Jeff] After several hours of questioning, 113 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:13,624 Mr. Gillis, he didn’t confess to anything. 114 00:06:13,665 --> 00:06:15,635 And he looked at me and he said, 115 00:06:15,667 --> 00:06:17,587 "Jeff, you told me you’d take me home 116 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:19,797 when I’m ready to go home. And I’m ready to go home." 117 00:06:20,505 --> 00:06:23,625 [Max] We were 99% sure it was him. 118 00:06:24,175 --> 00:06:25,965 We had developed probable cause. 119 00:06:26,011 --> 00:06:28,431 We certainly could have charged him at that point, 120 00:06:28,471 --> 00:06:30,141 but we wanted to make sure 121 00:06:30,181 --> 00:06:32,351 that we weren’t wrong. 122 00:06:33,685 --> 00:06:36,485 We put surveillance on Mr. Gillis 123 00:06:36,521 --> 00:06:37,901 the minute he got home. 124 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:40,650 [Bryan] At this point, it was just a waiting game 125 00:06:40,692 --> 00:06:42,282 for the crime lab to give us a word 126 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:43,989 whether his DNA was a match. 127 00:06:44,321 --> 00:06:47,281 [Prem] Within four hours, they got a hit. 128 00:06:47,324 --> 00:06:48,624 "We’ve got a match, 129 00:06:48,658 --> 00:06:51,828 and the killer of these women is, in fact, 130 00:06:51,870 --> 00:06:53,660 Sean Vincent Gillis." 131 00:06:56,875 --> 00:06:58,465 [music] 132 00:06:58,501 --> 00:07:01,461 [Bryan] "Sean’s DNA has matched to all three of our victims. 133 00:07:01,504 --> 00:07:04,554 It’s him. Absolutely, it’s him." 134 00:07:05,383 --> 00:07:07,593 I drafted an arrest warrant for him 135 00:07:07,636 --> 00:07:09,676 for the murder of Katherine Hall, 136 00:07:09,721 --> 00:07:12,141 Johnnie Mae Williams, and Donna Bennett Johnston. 137 00:07:13,308 --> 00:07:16,638 Once the warrants were signed, SWAT hits the house. 138 00:07:21,232 --> 00:07:22,692 My name is Terri Lemoine 139 00:07:22,734 --> 00:07:25,534 and I lived with Sean Gillis for nine years. 140 00:07:26,738 --> 00:07:29,528 [Terri] April 29th, 2004, 141 00:07:29,908 --> 00:07:33,198 I was off that night and home. 142 00:07:33,244 --> 00:07:35,544 And for some reason, Sean came to bed 143 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:36,750 at the same time I did, 144 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:40,000 which was something he never did. 145 00:07:40,919 --> 00:07:44,459 Not even 10 seconds after I had turned the light off, 146 00:07:44,506 --> 00:07:45,876 [metallic banging] 147 00:07:45,924 --> 00:07:48,724 there was what sounded like a crash in the kitchen. 148 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,340 And people were yelling, 149 00:07:50,387 --> 00:07:52,347 and all of a sudden, the door got kicked in 150 00:07:52,389 --> 00:07:53,889 to the bedroom. 151 00:07:53,932 --> 00:07:56,892 And I’m standing in my bedroom, in my bed clothes, 152 00:07:56,935 --> 00:07:58,735 with a bunch of policemen around me. 153 00:07:58,770 --> 00:08:00,980 And I’m wanting to know what is going on. 154 00:08:01,022 --> 00:08:04,032 I want to know what’s going on right now. 155 00:08:06,277 --> 00:08:09,197 The policemen turned around, and looked at me and said, 156 00:08:09,739 --> 00:08:12,489 "You didn’t know you were living with a serial killer?" 157 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:19,963 It was probably the most disturbing interrogation 158 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,710 [Pat] I’ve ever heard in my life. 159 00:08:26,756 --> 00:08:29,256 Gillis liked to talk about what he did 160 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:30,930 in vivid detail. 161 00:08:35,432 --> 00:08:37,602 He really enjoyed the attention. 162 00:08:37,642 --> 00:08:40,602 Once we opened those floodgates, it was hard to shut him up. 163 00:08:53,867 --> 00:08:57,577 I’ 164 00:08:58,121 --> 00:08:59,751 with a bunch of policemen around me. 165 00:08:59,789 --> 00:09:02,329 I’m wanting to know what is going on. 166 00:09:02,792 --> 00:09:05,342 And the policeman turned around and looked at me and said, 167 00:09:05,378 --> 00:09:07,298 "You didn’t know you were livin with a serial killer?" 168 00:09:08,339 --> 00:09:12,469 I looked over at Sean and he shrugged his shoulders. 169 00:09:12,802 --> 00:09:15,512 And said, "Sorry, honey bunny." 170 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:28,401 [Terri] I met Sean Gillis, working the night shift 171 00:09:28,443 --> 00:09:30,283 at a convenience store. 172 00:09:30,695 --> 00:09:33,025 One of my friends decided that we should meet 173 00:09:33,073 --> 00:09:35,203 because we had a whole lot in common. 174 00:09:35,450 --> 00:09:38,790 Same likes, dislikes, movies. 175 00:09:39,829 --> 00:09:42,829 He made me laugh too. He was a geeky guy, 176 00:09:43,708 --> 00:09:45,998 the kind you’d wanna bring home to mom. 177 00:09:47,712 --> 00:09:50,462 I basically worked most of the time. 178 00:09:51,216 --> 00:09:54,136 I went to work at night from 11:00 to 7:00. 179 00:09:54,719 --> 00:09:57,179 But Sean would always stay home 180 00:09:57,222 --> 00:10:00,062 He didn’t wanna go anywhere, didn’t wanna do anything. 181 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:03,060 That makes me angry to think back. 182 00:10:04,145 --> 00:10:07,145 Sean reminded me of someone who never wanted to grow up. 183 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:10,149 I didn’t know how to feel, 184 00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:13,570 because, in a way, it made me responsible 185 00:10:13,613 --> 00:10:15,823 because I was taking care of Sean. 186 00:10:16,783 --> 00:10:18,953 It made me feel like I was giving him 187 00:10:18,993 --> 00:10:21,703 the wherewithal to do what he wanted. 188 00:10:23,915 --> 00:10:25,885 When you have a lot of time to think, 189 00:10:25,917 --> 00:10:28,627 you question a lot of decisions that you made. 190 00:10:33,091 --> 00:10:35,051 And when the policeman turned around and said, 191 00:10:35,093 --> 00:10:38,013 "You didn’t know you were living with a serial killer," 192 00:10:38,346 --> 00:10:39,466 I just looked at him, I said, 193 00:10:39,514 --> 00:10:42,024 "Boy, have you got the wrong house?" 194 00:10:44,519 --> 00:10:47,019 I’ve told that to people over and over. 195 00:10:47,772 --> 00:10:49,862 None of what they were saying made any sense. 196 00:10:49,899 --> 00:10:51,439 There was no way possible. 197 00:10:51,484 --> 00:10:53,744 Not Sean. No way. 198 00:11:07,876 --> 00:11:10,036 We said, "We absolutely have him on Katherine Hall, 199 00:11:10,086 --> 00:11:12,506 Johnnie Mae Williams, and Donna Bennett Johnston. 200 00:11:12,547 --> 00:11:14,797 "He can’t deny that." 201 00:11:22,807 --> 00:11:25,137 We knew that he absolutely had more victims. 202 00:11:25,185 --> 00:11:27,775 So our interview strategy was gonna be 203 00:11:27,812 --> 00:11:29,612 we’re not gonna press him real hard. 204 00:11:30,815 --> 00:11:33,775 We knew, from his prior interrogation, 205 00:11:33,818 --> 00:11:35,188 that, you know, he liked to talk. 206 00:11:58,009 --> 00:11:59,799 He just got to a point 207 00:11:59,844 --> 00:12:02,474 where he was kind of consigned to the fact 208 00:12:02,513 --> 00:12:03,813 that he was caught. 209 00:12:03,848 --> 00:12:07,308 And I said, "Why don’t you tell us 210 00:12:07,352 --> 00:12:09,482 any others, Sean." 211 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,110 And I remember he said, "Do you have a pencil?" 212 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,860 Once we opened those floodgates, it was hard to shut him up. 213 00:12:18,905 --> 00:12:21,285 And he wanted to talk and talk and talk. 214 00:12:23,368 --> 00:12:26,288 [Max] He really enjoyed the attention. 215 00:12:26,329 --> 00:12:29,079 He identified several homicides that he had committed. 216 00:12:29,123 --> 00:12:31,583 It seemed to be important for him 217 00:12:31,626 --> 00:12:32,996 to have more bodies to his credit 218 00:12:33,044 --> 00:12:35,134 than Derrick Todd Lee. 219 00:12:43,888 --> 00:12:47,848 He knew that Derrick Todd Lee had already been arrested 220 00:12:47,892 --> 00:12:50,022 and was in the process of going to trial. 221 00:12:50,061 --> 00:12:51,811 He’d been following it. 222 00:13:04,325 --> 00:13:07,325 [music] 223 00:13:11,249 --> 00:13:13,379 [Max] In addition to the three homicides 224 00:13:13,418 --> 00:13:14,588 that we were working, 225 00:13:14,627 --> 00:13:16,457 he confessed to killing Ann Bryan, 226 00:13:16,504 --> 00:13:18,214 Joyce Williams, Marilyn Nevils, 227 00:13:18,256 --> 00:13:21,126 Hardee Schmidt, and Lillian Robinson. 228 00:13:21,175 --> 00:13:24,005 All were women who were killed in the Baton Rouge area 229 00:13:24,053 --> 00:13:27,263 in the years previous to catching him. 230 00:13:28,099 --> 00:13:30,639 [Bryan] He was very meticulous. 231 00:13:30,685 --> 00:13:33,155 He gave us names, places, 232 00:13:33,187 --> 00:13:36,067 graphic details at each scene, 233 00:13:36,107 --> 00:13:38,187 intimate details about each victim. 234 00:13:43,114 --> 00:13:45,074 The Johnnie Mae Williams case, 235 00:13:45,116 --> 00:13:47,446 he said that, one night, he and Johnnie Mae 236 00:13:47,493 --> 00:13:49,043 were riding around, 237 00:13:49,078 --> 00:13:51,118 and, you know they were doing their drugs, listening to music. 238 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:53,919 And he said he pulled off behind a restaurant 239 00:13:53,958 --> 00:13:56,168 in the southeast part of Baton Rouge. 240 00:14:00,673 --> 00:14:01,843 He said they were just sitting there, 241 00:14:01,883 --> 00:14:03,133 listening to music, 242 00:14:03,176 --> 00:14:05,846 and he said Johnnie Mae actually fell asleep. 243 00:14:19,776 --> 00:14:21,646 He said something just took over. 244 00:14:22,153 --> 00:14:24,453 And so he said, "I just slipped it around her neck 245 00:14:24,489 --> 00:14:25,819 and killed her." 246 00:14:27,742 --> 00:14:29,122 [music] 247 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:30,700 [Max] As soon as you can take a breath 248 00:14:30,745 --> 00:14:33,295 and realize that that’s over, it’s not over. 249 00:14:33,331 --> 00:14:35,041 [Reporter] Many plenty other cold cases 250 00:14:35,083 --> 00:14:36,713 that have remained unsolved. 251 00:14:36,751 --> 00:14:38,211 [Johnnie] He started choking me, 252 00:14:38,252 --> 00:14:40,672 put both of his hands on either side of my neck, 253 00:14:40,713 --> 00:14:42,133 and he just started squeezing. 254 00:14:42,173 --> 00:14:44,013 [Reporter] A suspected serial killer 255 00:14:44,050 --> 00:14:45,430 is behind bars tonight. 256 00:14:45,468 --> 00:14:49,258 I think I survived because I had a purpose. 257 00:15:00,358 --> 00:15:02,938 [Bryan] Once Sean Gillis started confessing, 258 00:15:02,985 --> 00:15:04,145 he talked and talked. 259 00:15:04,195 --> 00:15:08,875 He gave us names, places, intimate details. 260 00:15:15,206 --> 00:15:20,036 It was probably the most disturbing interrogation 261 00:15:20,086 --> 00:15:22,086 I’ve ever heard in my life. 262 00:15:23,256 --> 00:15:24,546 With Katherine Hall’s body, 263 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:27,180 the most striking thing was the cuttings. 264 00:15:27,635 --> 00:15:30,675 He talked about when he cut Katherine Hall’s leg, 265 00:15:30,721 --> 00:15:31,971 he said he cut it deep 266 00:15:32,014 --> 00:15:34,274 and he said it kind of laid open. 267 00:15:42,442 --> 00:15:46,322 He said that the moonlight had hit her bone 268 00:15:46,362 --> 00:15:49,322 and "It was so white, I just wanted to touch it." 269 00:16:05,423 --> 00:16:08,513 Sean told us that he had the perfect situation 270 00:16:08,551 --> 00:16:10,591 with his relationship with Terri. 271 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:14,220 He would drive her to work and drop her off, 272 00:16:14,265 --> 00:16:16,235 he said, which basically gave him 273 00:16:16,267 --> 00:16:17,767 eight free hours to roam the streets, 274 00:16:17,810 --> 00:16:21,650 and he actually called it hunting, "to go hunting." 275 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:32,830 [Reporter] Sean Gillis has confessed 276 00:16:32,867 --> 00:16:34,827 to the murder of at least eight women. 277 00:16:34,869 --> 00:16:36,749 [Reporter 2] Gillis led members of the task force 278 00:16:36,787 --> 00:16:38,287 to locations 279 00:16:38,331 --> 00:16:40,081 where he allegedly hid the bodies of his victims. 280 00:16:40,124 --> 00:16:41,634 [Terri] After going to court 281 00:16:41,667 --> 00:16:44,667 and listening to how some of the things occurred 282 00:16:45,296 --> 00:16:47,796 one thing I had found out was that 283 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,590 he had dismembered one of his victims 284 00:16:51,636 --> 00:16:53,046 on the kitchen floor. 285 00:16:53,095 --> 00:16:55,465 And I made a point to go home 286 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:58,435 and tear up my floor in the kitchen. 287 00:16:58,476 --> 00:17:02,346 And as I was pulling it up, underneath the tile, 288 00:17:02,396 --> 00:17:05,436 there was still big spots of blood. 289 00:17:08,653 --> 00:17:10,953 It made me feel guilty 290 00:17:10,988 --> 00:17:12,658 and then it made me feel angry 291 00:17:12,698 --> 00:17:14,698 because I was feeling guilty. 292 00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:18,748 And everybody told me I wasn’t supposed to feel guilty. 293 00:17:20,873 --> 00:17:22,623 How can you not? 294 00:17:25,545 --> 00:17:27,765 So many people have asked me, 295 00:17:27,797 --> 00:17:30,047 "How could you not know?" 296 00:17:30,091 --> 00:17:32,261 Why would I know? 297 00:17:33,511 --> 00:17:37,771 If your husband stays gone for an odd amount of time, 298 00:17:38,349 --> 00:17:39,769 and you’re gonna think he’s off 299 00:17:40,142 --> 00:17:42,602 I’ll say the word, actually killing someone? 300 00:17:43,354 --> 00:17:44,654 First thing you’re gonna think about is, 301 00:17:44,689 --> 00:17:47,019 "Oh, he might be seeing another woman." 302 00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:56,333 This was a letter that Sean wrote to me 303 00:17:56,367 --> 00:17:59,747 right after he was arrested in 2004. 304 00:17:59,787 --> 00:18:01,617 "My dearest Terri, 305 00:18:02,248 --> 00:18:04,748 thank you so much for the last eight years. 306 00:18:04,792 --> 00:18:06,882 I wish we had 80 more. 307 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:09,339 I have never loved a woman so much 308 00:18:09,380 --> 00:18:11,920 that each day from you seems like a year. 309 00:18:11,966 --> 00:18:16,216 The closer my time daws near, the less courage I have. 310 00:18:16,887 --> 00:18:18,927 I do not wanna die this way. 311 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:22,349 I know there is something wrong with my brain, 312 00:18:22,393 --> 00:18:25,563 but no one gives a damn to check it out. 313 00:18:25,605 --> 00:18:28,195 Well, it’s not over until it’s over. 314 00:18:28,232 --> 00:18:31,442 Love you so much, Honey Bunny. Sean." 315 00:18:34,739 --> 00:18:36,239 Excuse me. 316 00:18:38,326 --> 00:18:41,036 I know I can’t change anything that happened. 317 00:18:41,078 --> 00:18:43,498 I mean, I would if I could. 318 00:18:44,165 --> 00:18:46,715 Sean took away the lives of those people. 319 00:18:47,501 --> 00:18:50,251 I can’t let him take away mine also. 320 00:18:58,763 --> 00:19:01,063 [Reporter] The first full day of testimony underway 321 00:19:01,098 --> 00:19:02,388 of the first-degree murder tria 322 00:19:02,433 --> 00:19:05,443 of accused serial killer Derrick Todd Lee. 323 00:19:09,774 --> 00:19:11,484 [music] 324 00:19:11,525 --> 00:19:14,355 [Ann] The trial itself was surreal. 325 00:19:15,446 --> 00:19:17,986 It’s like being caught in a story that can’t be true, 326 00:19:18,032 --> 00:19:19,702 but you can’t get out of it. 327 00:19:20,409 --> 00:19:21,909 [Dianne] My being in the same room 328 00:19:21,952 --> 00:19:23,412 with Derrick Todd Lee 329 00:19:23,454 --> 00:19:24,964 wasn’t strange for me 330 00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:26,417 because I had prayed. 331 00:19:26,457 --> 00:19:30,087 I prayed and asked God to let me face him, 332 00:19:30,127 --> 00:19:32,337 and let me look him in the eye 333 00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:35,920 so that he would know that I know 334 00:19:35,966 --> 00:19:37,886 what he had done to me. 335 00:19:39,011 --> 00:19:41,471 [Prem] God bless Dianne Alexander. 336 00:19:41,514 --> 00:19:44,354 Dianne Alexander spoke for the dead. 337 00:19:44,392 --> 00:19:48,062 She spoke for all the women who came before her 338 00:19:48,813 --> 00:19:51,403 who had lost their lives in a violent way. 339 00:19:51,982 --> 00:19:56,282 She was the voice of the dead through her life. 340 00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:58,909 [Ann] She is unflappable. 341 00:19:58,948 --> 00:20:01,988 And she identified him absolutely positively 342 00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:04,164 with no reservations, 343 00:20:04,704 --> 00:20:06,294 and that’s the deal. 344 00:20:06,330 --> 00:20:08,670 She is the nail in his coffin. 345 00:20:10,167 --> 00:20:15,377 [music] 346 00:20:19,719 --> 00:20:21,849 [Ann] And when the verdict came down, 347 00:20:21,887 --> 00:20:23,307 we were so happy, 348 00:20:23,347 --> 00:20:26,427 and you get such an intense relief. 349 00:20:26,475 --> 00:20:29,435 We thought when it came back so quickly... 350 00:20:31,021 --> 00:20:32,521 I’m sorry. 351 00:20:34,525 --> 00:20:37,785 I just can’t believe it’s finally happened. 352 00:20:42,032 --> 00:20:43,532 I’m overwhelmed. 353 00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:47,616 [music] 354 00:20:49,206 --> 00:20:50,666 [Anchor] Authorities say Derrick Lee 355 00:20:50,708 --> 00:20:52,788 and serial killer Sean Gillis together 356 00:20:52,835 --> 00:20:54,675 have killed 15 women, 357 00:20:54,712 --> 00:20:56,922 but there are many, many other cold cases 358 00:20:56,964 --> 00:20:58,134 that have remained unsolved. 359 00:20:58,466 --> 00:21:00,006 Authorities say about 60 women 360 00:21:00,050 --> 00:21:02,970 have been murdered in and aroun Baton Rouge since 1992. 361 00:21:03,846 --> 00:21:05,346 With the trial of Derrick Todd Lee 362 00:21:05,389 --> 00:21:08,019 and the trial of Sean Vincent Gillis, 363 00:21:08,392 --> 00:21:09,812 we have two serial killers being tried 364 00:21:09,852 --> 00:21:11,852 for killing women in Baton Rouge. 365 00:21:11,896 --> 00:21:15,316 At the same time, they got homicides that’s not solved yet 366 00:21:15,775 --> 00:21:17,285 [Bryan] They’re both in jail now. 367 00:21:17,735 --> 00:21:20,365 There’s still a lot of unsolved homicides. 368 00:21:20,404 --> 00:21:24,664 There’s also more female victims popping up around town. 369 00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:27,200 We had quite a few high-risk lifestyle women 370 00:21:27,244 --> 00:21:28,704 killed in the same general area, 371 00:21:28,746 --> 00:21:31,366 Florida Edwards and also Sylvia Cobb. 372 00:21:31,415 --> 00:21:34,035 [Dana] I think that law enforcement was concerned 373 00:21:34,084 --> 00:21:37,924 that because they were both posed, both bound 374 00:21:37,963 --> 00:21:40,513 in areas that were frequented 375 00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:43,719 by drug users and prostitutes, 376 00:21:43,761 --> 00:21:47,261 that these victims may have been murdered by the same person. 377 00:21:47,932 --> 00:21:50,772 [Prem] It was incredible to even contemplate, 378 00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:55,230 but could there be a third serial killer 379 00:21:55,272 --> 00:21:57,442 here at Baton Rouge. 380 00:22:03,113 --> 00:22:06,203 [Reporter] It’s been more than two years and four month 381 00:22:06,242 --> 00:22:08,242 since LSU grad student Murray Pace 382 00:22:08,285 --> 00:22:09,785 was brutally murdered. 383 00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:11,289 [Reporter 2] Louisiana investigators are searching 384 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:12,620 for more possible victims 385 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:15,585 of alleged serial killer Derrick Todd Lee. 386 00:22:16,794 --> 00:22:19,764 In 2002, while law enforcement is investigating 387 00:22:19,797 --> 00:22:22,837 the deaths of Gina Green and Murray Pace, 388 00:22:22,883 --> 00:22:25,933 there were a lot of murders in downtown Baton Rouge, 389 00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:29,390 under somewhat different circumstances. 390 00:22:30,349 --> 00:22:32,429 I think it was just concern that, 391 00:22:32,476 --> 00:22:35,096 "Oh, we’ve got another dead woman here. 392 00:22:35,145 --> 00:22:36,435 I mean, what is going on?" 393 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,610 And then the next one happened. 394 00:22:38,649 --> 00:22:41,819 [music] 395 00:22:45,489 --> 00:22:46,949 [Christopher] We got a phone call 396 00:22:46,991 --> 00:22:50,121 from a local resident that observed a female body 397 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,580 near the south side of the old Dillard’s store. 398 00:22:54,957 --> 00:22:58,287 This was the place where the body was discovered 399 00:22:58,335 --> 00:22:59,795 on that morning. 400 00:22:59,837 --> 00:23:01,837 Ten feet from the building south of the structure. 401 00:23:02,548 --> 00:23:04,508 She was in a flower bed, 402 00:23:04,550 --> 00:23:07,470 just about this area here. 403 00:23:08,345 --> 00:23:10,135 The victim is laid on her back. 404 00:23:10,556 --> 00:23:13,976 Her legs was positioned between the two smaller trees. 405 00:23:14,018 --> 00:23:15,848 Her shirt was pulled above 406 00:23:16,186 --> 00:23:17,936 her breast area near her throat. 407 00:23:19,064 --> 00:23:22,404 [Dana] She was laid out in the flower bed. 408 00:23:22,443 --> 00:23:24,493 It appeared that she had been posed. 409 00:23:25,195 --> 00:23:26,485 [Christopher] It was obvious she was strangled 410 00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:28,030 because there was blood on her T-shirt. 411 00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:31,329 It appears that the shirt that was on her body 412 00:23:31,368 --> 00:23:32,658 may have been used as a ligature 413 00:23:32,703 --> 00:23:34,833 to choke and strangle the victim. 414 00:23:36,332 --> 00:23:42,002 [music] 415 00:23:42,046 --> 00:23:44,836 [Dana] She was found in downtown Baton Rouge 416 00:23:44,882 --> 00:23:47,882 closer to where Sylvia and Florida were found. 417 00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:50,887 The three murders had several things in common. 418 00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:52,390 All three of the victims 419 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:54,351 appeared to be sexually assaulted. 420 00:23:54,934 --> 00:23:57,984 And all three of them were in areas 421 00:23:58,020 --> 00:24:02,730 where there were drugs, prostitution, high-risk areas. 422 00:24:03,817 --> 00:24:08,317 [music] 423 00:24:08,364 --> 00:24:11,534 We processed the crime scene and the victim was identified 424 00:24:11,575 --> 00:24:13,115 as Renee Newman. 425 00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:17,214 DNA was ultimately run on the evidence found 426 00:24:17,247 --> 00:24:18,787 on Florida Edwards’ body 427 00:24:18,832 --> 00:24:21,212 as well as evidence on Renee Newman’s body. 428 00:24:21,251 --> 00:24:22,881 They connected those two, 429 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,130 but they didn’t know who the killer was. 430 00:24:25,172 --> 00:24:29,472 [music] 431 00:24:30,594 --> 00:24:32,554 [Christopher] Working as a homicide detective, 432 00:24:32,596 --> 00:24:35,346 you really wanna solve every case that you work. 433 00:24:36,058 --> 00:24:38,388 You wanna bring closure to the families. 434 00:24:39,103 --> 00:24:41,653 It takes a toll on you as an investigator. 435 00:24:42,272 --> 00:24:45,192 You always thinking about the case that you’re working. 436 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:48,825 You always thinking, "What is i I could’ve done different, 437 00:24:49,446 --> 00:24:51,156 what clues I may have overlooked." 438 00:25:00,582 --> 00:25:03,042 While investigating Renee Newman’s homicide, 439 00:25:03,085 --> 00:25:05,635 we received a tip that maybe Sean Vincent Gillis 440 00:25:05,671 --> 00:25:06,881 may have known her. 441 00:25:08,465 --> 00:25:10,755 That prompted us to interview Sean Gillis 442 00:25:10,801 --> 00:25:12,891 relative to that investigation. 443 00:25:14,763 --> 00:25:16,433 Sean was very forthcoming 444 00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:18,353 with the previous murder investigations. 445 00:25:18,976 --> 00:25:21,766 I would actually say in the ones involving Renee Newman 446 00:25:21,812 --> 00:25:23,612 and also the ones done in Baton Rouge, 447 00:25:23,647 --> 00:25:27,027 since he was accused of killing high-risk lifestyle women. 448 00:25:37,327 --> 00:25:39,747 [Christopher] Sometimes it takes a killer to know a killer 449 00:25:39,788 --> 00:25:41,408 and Sean can shed life 450 00:25:41,457 --> 00:25:43,787 not only on himself as being a killer 451 00:25:43,834 --> 00:25:46,094 but also any additional killers that he may know. 452 00:26:10,819 --> 00:26:13,149 Sean told me that, while he was out there 453 00:26:13,197 --> 00:26:14,607 searching for a victim, 454 00:26:14,656 --> 00:26:17,986 he observed another hunter, another serial killer. 455 00:26:18,494 --> 00:26:19,454 [Bryan] He said, "I’m telling you, 456 00:26:19,495 --> 00:26:20,665 when our eyes locked, 457 00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:23,004 we both knew exactly why we were there. 458 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,330 [music] 459 00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:26,835 [Christopher] Sean would not tell me 460 00:26:26,877 --> 00:26:28,997 what the other hunter looked like. 461 00:26:29,046 --> 00:26:31,046 I guess maybe they’ve got some kind 462 00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:33,680 of strict code of conduct 463 00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:35,927 when it comes to killers recognizing other killers 464 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:38,049 not to divulge who the other person was. 465 00:26:39,223 --> 00:26:40,523 He refused to give that 466 00:26:40,557 --> 00:26:42,307 and that’s when the interview stopped. 467 00:26:42,684 --> 00:26:45,654 [music] 468 00:26:59,368 --> 00:27:01,868 [Johnnie] I am Johnnie Martinez. 469 00:27:02,412 --> 00:27:03,872 I decided to catch my bus 470 00:27:03,914 --> 00:27:06,544 to go to the store to get me some medications. 471 00:27:07,251 --> 00:27:09,171 I get off of the bus, 472 00:27:09,211 --> 00:27:12,131 but the store is still a ways around 473 00:27:12,172 --> 00:27:14,172 from where the bus is. 474 00:27:14,216 --> 00:27:15,546 On the right-hand side, 475 00:27:15,592 --> 00:27:18,852 there’s a big bush, wooded area. 476 00:27:19,930 --> 00:27:22,220 And as I’m walking down the pathway, 477 00:27:22,766 --> 00:27:25,136 I see a man coming down towards me. 478 00:27:25,185 --> 00:27:27,845 He was walking towards the bus stop. 479 00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:29,976 He said, "You have some extra change?" 480 00:27:31,775 --> 00:27:33,775 When I reached out to give it to him, 481 00:27:33,819 --> 00:27:35,149 he grabbed my wrist. 482 00:27:38,574 --> 00:27:41,534 He threw a punch, kind of dazed me a bit. 483 00:27:41,577 --> 00:27:43,037 And when I look, 484 00:27:43,078 --> 00:27:45,868 he was drawing me towards those big old woods. 485 00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:47,790 And I was helpless. 486 00:27:47,833 --> 00:27:49,083 There was nothing I could do 487 00:27:49,126 --> 00:27:51,036 to prevent him from taking me in there. 488 00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:58,050 He was a lot larger than me, real kind of big-looking guy. 489 00:27:58,093 --> 00:28:01,933 He had droopy cheeks like Droopy the dog. 490 00:28:01,972 --> 00:28:04,722 That’s how I remembered him, by his cheeks. 491 00:28:05,142 --> 00:28:07,272 I determined that I would give him 492 00:28:07,311 --> 00:28:10,021 the same eye each time he went to punch me 493 00:28:10,063 --> 00:28:13,323 because I saw him with the other eye 494 00:28:13,775 --> 00:28:16,435 and I wanted to make sure that if 495 00:28:16,486 --> 00:28:18,696 I would get out of there alive, 496 00:28:18,739 --> 00:28:21,119 that I wanted to be able to identify. 497 00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:34,464 I think I survived because I had a purpose. 498 00:28:35,005 --> 00:28:37,135 God only knows what your purpose is. 499 00:28:37,174 --> 00:28:40,974 And he presents it to you at that point in your life. 500 00:28:42,471 --> 00:28:44,391 He started choking me, 501 00:28:45,015 --> 00:28:47,145 put both of his big fat hands 502 00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:50,314 on either side of my neck and he just started squeezing. 503 00:28:51,396 --> 00:28:54,896 [Dana] Johnnie decided the best way to survive 504 00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,739 was to tell him, 505 00:28:57,778 --> 00:28:59,648 as he tried to sexually assault her, 506 00:28:59,696 --> 00:29:00,816 that she had AIDS. 507 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:02,164 She did not have AIDS, 508 00:29:02,199 --> 00:29:03,659 but she was hoping that would keep her 509 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:05,330 from being sexually assaulted. 510 00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:08,000 Once he couldn’t rape me, 511 00:29:08,038 --> 00:29:11,168 there was not much he could do but steal my purse. 512 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,670 She decided that she had a chance 513 00:29:14,711 --> 00:29:18,421 to survive if she just played dead. 514 00:29:20,259 --> 00:29:22,089 I take a little breath 515 00:29:23,887 --> 00:29:25,967 and close my eyes. 516 00:29:29,101 --> 00:29:31,981 And I feel him get off of me. 517 00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:37,110 And once he got off of me, 518 00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:40,106 I waited a few more seconds. 519 00:29:43,532 --> 00:29:45,072 And he was gone. 520 00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:55,420 [Reggie] I get a call and the call is in reference 521 00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:58,880 to someone that was beaten, possibly attempted rape, 522 00:29:58,922 --> 00:30:00,882 really in bad condition. 523 00:30:00,924 --> 00:30:02,724 And they said, "Hey, the person that’s injured 524 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:03,929 you know, 525 00:30:03,969 --> 00:30:05,139 and she says she knows you well." 526 00:30:05,178 --> 00:30:06,848 And I said, "Well, who would that be?" 527 00:30:06,888 --> 00:30:08,718 And it was Johnnie. 528 00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:10,345 And, you know, I was shocked. 529 00:30:11,101 --> 00:30:13,731 [Reggie] Johnnie worked at a fast food restaurant 530 00:30:13,770 --> 00:30:15,520 that, during our patrol hours, 531 00:30:15,564 --> 00:30:17,404 I would go over there and eat. 532 00:30:17,441 --> 00:30:20,071 And me and Johnnie became really good friends. 533 00:30:20,736 --> 00:30:22,856 [Reggie] I immediately got dressed 534 00:30:22,904 --> 00:30:24,954 and I went to the hospital. 535 00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:28,580 I can tell you this, I walked into the room 536 00:30:28,618 --> 00:30:29,948 and I stood to the back of the room. 537 00:30:29,995 --> 00:30:31,835 And when I saw her, 538 00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:34,292 pretty much, tears came from my eyes. 539 00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:38,341 [Johnnie] I had one big swollen eye 540 00:30:38,754 --> 00:30:40,804 with knots on the side of it. 541 00:30:41,298 --> 00:30:43,928 I had marks all on the side of my neck. 542 00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:46,886 I looked just like a monster. 543 00:30:46,928 --> 00:30:48,928 My friends came to visit me 544 00:30:48,972 --> 00:30:50,722 after it happened. 545 00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:51,926 They were all crying, 546 00:30:51,975 --> 00:30:53,935 and it hurt me more 547 00:30:53,977 --> 00:30:56,897 because I didn’t want them to cry for me. 548 00:30:58,315 --> 00:31:00,285 [Reggie] We knew that her purse was missing. 549 00:31:00,984 --> 00:31:02,784 She said she had a debit card 550 00:31:02,819 --> 00:31:05,859 and it had, possibly, $700 or so on it. 551 00:31:05,906 --> 00:31:08,066 So we asked her to make the phone call. 552 00:31:08,825 --> 00:31:10,075 [Dana] He took her purse, 553 00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:12,038 and he went to an ATM, 554 00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:15,159 and he used her card at the ATM. 555 00:31:15,207 --> 00:31:17,957 And they have a beautiful picture of him using the card. 556 00:31:20,170 --> 00:31:22,590 So this was the break we was looking for. 557 00:31:26,468 --> 00:31:28,218 [Johnnie] I threw the picture down. 558 00:31:28,261 --> 00:31:29,971 I said, "Man, that’s the guy." 559 00:31:30,847 --> 00:31:32,217 That was him. 560 00:31:32,265 --> 00:31:34,555 He said, "You sure?" I said, "I’m positive." 561 00:31:34,601 --> 00:31:37,231 Remember I told you he had droopy cheeks? 562 00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:39,440 Look at his droopy cheeks on there. 563 00:31:40,023 --> 00:31:42,363 She immediately identified the guy, 564 00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:44,241 the best feeling ever. 565 00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:54,622 [Dana] Police identified him as Jeffery Guillory 566 00:31:54,663 --> 00:31:56,623 and found that he had frequented, 567 00:31:56,665 --> 00:31:58,255 I think, a halfway house 568 00:31:58,291 --> 00:32:01,841 that was in close proximity to where she was attacked. 569 00:32:02,879 --> 00:32:06,049 We found that Guillory was from Lake Charles, 570 00:32:06,091 --> 00:32:07,681 was from a family of 10. 571 00:32:07,717 --> 00:32:09,177 He had several convictions 572 00:32:09,219 --> 00:32:11,759 including burglary and drug convictions. 573 00:32:12,722 --> 00:32:15,352 [Christopher] So our detective got a warrant for his arrest 574 00:32:15,392 --> 00:32:18,062 for that particular case with using the ATM machine 575 00:32:18,103 --> 00:32:20,733 with a stolen credit card. 576 00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:23,189 [Dana] When he was arrested 577 00:32:23,233 --> 00:32:26,193 for the attack on Johnnie Martinez, 578 00:32:26,236 --> 00:32:28,446 police took his fingerprints 579 00:32:28,488 --> 00:32:30,778 as well as his DNA. 580 00:32:30,824 --> 00:32:36,664 [music] 581 00:32:36,705 --> 00:32:41,715 [Dana] The DNA evidence that was taken from Florida Edwards 582 00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:43,211 as well as Renee Newman 583 00:32:43,253 --> 00:32:46,213 was in the system, and it was a hit. 584 00:32:47,424 --> 00:32:49,344 [Christopher] It was also able to match 585 00:32:49,384 --> 00:32:51,054 Jeffery Guillory’s fingerprint 586 00:32:51,094 --> 00:32:53,684 to that of a beer can left at crime scene 587 00:32:53,722 --> 00:32:56,062 of Sylvia Cobb on North Arcadian. 588 00:32:56,725 --> 00:32:59,025 [Reporter] Jeffery Lee Guillory was charged today 589 00:32:59,060 --> 00:33:00,690 for the murders of three women, 590 00:33:00,729 --> 00:33:03,899 Florida Edwards, Sylvia Cobb, and Renee Newman. 591 00:33:04,441 --> 00:33:08,401 [music] 592 00:33:13,158 --> 00:33:14,908 [Dana] Investigators questioned him 593 00:33:14,951 --> 00:33:17,081 about Sylvia Cobb. 594 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,660 They questioned him about Renee Newman 595 00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:21,325 and they questioned him about Florida Edwards. 596 00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:26,379 [Christopher] He denied knowing the females, 597 00:33:26,421 --> 00:33:28,551 but he was engaged in the conversation. 598 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:33,390 [Christopher] I showed him eight photographs 599 00:33:33,428 --> 00:33:35,718 of the victims that was killed in that same area. 600 00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:39,104 Jeffery said he did not know any of the women. 601 00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:41,982 But he eventually said he knew Sylvia Cobb. 602 00:33:45,982 --> 00:33:48,692 The body of Sylvia Cobb was found 603 00:33:48,735 --> 00:33:52,445 in the same general area, in an abandoned house. 604 00:33:52,489 --> 00:33:56,239 This is all kind of close to downtown Baton Rouge. 605 00:33:57,285 --> 00:33:58,655 [Christopher] He knew her but he had never been 606 00:33:58,703 --> 00:34:00,873 at the house where her body was discovered. 607 00:34:01,289 --> 00:34:04,959 At times, he would smile and he was not intimidated. 608 00:34:22,185 --> 00:34:25,345 He seemed so calm and so cool. 609 00:34:26,731 --> 00:34:28,611 [Dana] He was totally unruffled. 610 00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:32,359 He just continued to deny any involvement. 611 00:34:39,327 --> 00:34:41,157 We had Jeffery DNA at a crime scene, 612 00:34:41,204 --> 00:34:43,044 so as an investigator, I’m thinking 613 00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:44,501 that he’s gonna admit to what he did 614 00:34:44,541 --> 00:34:46,631 because we could prove that his DNA was there. 615 00:34:47,168 --> 00:34:48,998 I’m thinking that he’s gonna man up 616 00:34:49,045 --> 00:34:52,045 and say, "I was there. I did kill the victims." 617 00:35:21,745 --> 00:35:23,505 [Christopher laughing] 618 00:35:24,706 --> 00:35:26,206 [Christopher] He never did admit to it, you know, 619 00:35:26,249 --> 00:35:28,039 so what do you get from that? 620 00:35:28,084 --> 00:35:29,714 How do you assess a person 621 00:35:29,753 --> 00:35:31,753 who don’t wanna admit to the truth? 622 00:35:32,756 --> 00:35:35,586 Still, he’s a killer, and I knew he was 623 00:35:35,634 --> 00:35:37,264 because of the fact that we were able to trace him 624 00:35:37,302 --> 00:35:39,182 to these three crime scenes. 625 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:55,990 Authorities call Jeffery Lee Guillory 626 00:35:56,029 --> 00:35:57,569 a suspected serial killer, 627 00:35:57,614 --> 00:35:59,784 making him the third man accused of that title 628 00:35:59,824 --> 00:36:02,744 in the Baton Rouge area in the last 10 years. 629 00:36:02,786 --> 00:36:04,656 [Reporter] Guillory’s fingerprints were found 630 00:36:04,704 --> 00:36:06,794 at the scene of Sylvia Cobb’s murder 631 00:36:06,831 --> 00:36:08,251 but says DNA evidence 632 00:36:08,291 --> 00:36:10,711 links Guillory to both Newman and Edwards. 633 00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:13,247 The mother of one alleged victim 634 00:36:13,296 --> 00:36:14,756 is still in Baton Rouge tonight. 635 00:36:14,798 --> 00:36:17,588 Ora Lee Jackson, was at a loss for words 636 00:36:17,634 --> 00:36:21,054 after news of today’s arrest in the death of Sylvia Cobb. 637 00:36:21,096 --> 00:36:24,266 I cried and seemed that I couldn’t 638 00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:26,597 get that together, couldn’t eat, couldn’t sleep. 639 00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:28,773 And I said, "Well, thank you, Jesus. 640 00:36:28,812 --> 00:36:30,232 They found the killer." 641 00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:35,147 [music] 642 00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:42,366 [Dana] Johnnie Martinez came to trial 643 00:36:42,409 --> 00:36:44,619 in order to make sure 644 00:36:44,661 --> 00:36:47,961 that Jeffery Guillory would never be able 645 00:36:47,997 --> 00:36:50,787 to harm another woman. 646 00:37:01,177 --> 00:37:03,297 [Dana] Finally, we have our guy 647 00:37:03,346 --> 00:37:06,636 for these murders that occurred in 1999, 648 00:37:06,683 --> 00:37:09,773 2001, and 2002. 649 00:37:10,729 --> 00:37:12,479 [Christopher] With the arrest of Jeffery Guillory, 650 00:37:12,522 --> 00:37:14,402 now we have a third serial killer 651 00:37:14,441 --> 00:37:16,441 that’s taken off the streets of Baton Rouge. 652 00:37:16,484 --> 00:37:18,784 I think that Jeffery’s also responsible 653 00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:20,990 for the other homicides that took place in Baton Rouge. 654 00:37:21,448 --> 00:37:23,198 A pproximately 13 females 655 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:25,201 with high-risk lifestyle was murdered 656 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:26,663 in the same manner. 657 00:37:27,871 --> 00:37:30,331 I think he’s also responsible for those murders as well. 658 00:37:34,419 --> 00:37:37,339 [Bryan] The arrest of serial killer Derrick Todd Lee, 659 00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:39,630 serial killer Sean Vincent Gillis, 660 00:37:39,674 --> 00:37:42,184 and serial killer Jeffery Guillory, 661 00:37:42,218 --> 00:37:44,178 all in Baton Rouge, 662 00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:46,470 all within a very short time period. 663 00:37:47,307 --> 00:37:49,307 [Dana] The whole city was relieved, 664 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:52,600 but the amount of loss 665 00:37:52,645 --> 00:37:56,315 and the amount of sadness, it’s hard. 666 00:37:57,609 --> 00:37:59,569 [Prem] There was such grief 667 00:38:00,069 --> 00:38:02,659 for the mothers of those women, 668 00:38:02,697 --> 00:38:04,157 such grief, 669 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:08,409 that I don’t think that that sorrow has ever gone away. 670 00:38:10,121 --> 00:38:11,791 [Ann] The families of the victims 671 00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:16,541 of Derrick Todd Lee was a huge support 672 00:38:16,586 --> 00:38:19,376 from sharing that common horror. 673 00:38:19,923 --> 00:38:22,343 We felt very connected. 674 00:38:22,383 --> 00:38:23,883 We weren’t alone. 675 00:38:23,927 --> 00:38:25,887 We had each other. 676 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,560 [music] 677 00:38:32,602 --> 00:38:36,112 [Ann] I don’t want to be overcritical of the police 678 00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:40,107 because I really do think they did the best they could. 679 00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:41,321 I do think that. 680 00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:43,401 [Ann] Before AFIS, before CODIS, 681 00:38:43,446 --> 00:38:45,066 before all those systems 682 00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:47,074 kind of created a network 683 00:38:47,116 --> 00:38:48,946 for law enforcement, 684 00:38:48,993 --> 00:38:51,123 things were very isolated. 685 00:38:51,162 --> 00:38:52,332 You could commit crimes 686 00:38:52,372 --> 00:38:54,872 in two counties in the same state. 687 00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:57,290 They wouldn’t connect. 688 00:39:16,396 --> 00:39:17,856 That would be the question there. 689 00:39:17,897 --> 00:39:21,187 They’re dropping this name that he’s a serial killer. 690 00:39:21,651 --> 00:39:23,941 None of this really makes sense. 691 00:39:26,531 --> 00:39:28,451 [Ann] They were still utterly convinced 692 00:39:28,491 --> 00:39:32,791 that Randy’s ex-husband was the person who had killed her. 693 00:39:33,288 --> 00:39:34,788 [Mike] I told them 694 00:39:34,831 --> 00:39:37,831 that the whole time while you’re investigating me, 695 00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:40,956 the person responsible is still out there. 696 00:39:41,004 --> 00:39:43,594 And he killed six more women after that. 697 00:39:44,007 --> 00:39:45,667 In 1998, 698 00:39:45,717 --> 00:39:49,507 they did not run Derrick Lee’s DNA, 699 00:39:49,554 --> 00:39:52,474 and think how that would’ve changed the world. 700 00:39:52,515 --> 00:39:54,845 Why didn’t you ever try to get a DNA sample? 701 00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:56,983 Had that been the perfect world of now, 702 00:39:57,020 --> 00:40:00,150 Derrick Todd Lee, he would’ve been caught right away. 703 00:40:00,857 --> 00:40:02,977 We wanted to get Derrick Todd Lee’s DNA. 704 00:40:03,026 --> 00:40:06,146 It was early on in the DNA era 705 00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:08,485 as what DNA could do 706 00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:11,781 and never had training on DNA up to the end, 707 00:40:11,826 --> 00:40:14,656 and really never understood it, what it could do. 708 00:40:14,704 --> 00:40:17,374 I mean, I understand what fingerprints can do. 709 00:40:17,415 --> 00:40:18,995 But being a small agency, 710 00:40:19,042 --> 00:40:21,092 we didn’t know a whole lot about DNA. 711 00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:28,840 It was frustrating. 712 00:40:28,885 --> 00:40:30,895 There’s probably mistakes we made too, 713 00:40:30,929 --> 00:40:33,349 and like I say, throughout my years 714 00:40:33,389 --> 00:40:35,519 of working investigations 715 00:40:35,558 --> 00:40:38,688 from ’94 to 2010, it taught me a lot. 716 00:40:39,062 --> 00:40:40,862 And I think more communication 717 00:40:40,897 --> 00:40:42,357 would’ve been better on this case, 718 00:40:42,398 --> 00:40:44,568 and maybe we could’ve stopped some murders. 719 00:40:47,236 --> 00:40:49,656 [music] 720 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:53,698 [Ann] That’s a thing that you can’t think about too much, 721 00:40:53,743 --> 00:40:58,753 the fact that, had they run that DNA in 1998, 722 00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:02,380 that Murray, Gina, 723 00:41:02,418 --> 00:41:06,298 Pam, Carrie, Dene, 724 00:41:06,339 --> 00:41:08,379 all of them would be alive 725 00:41:08,424 --> 00:41:10,054 ’cause he would’ve been caught. 726 00:41:10,093 --> 00:41:15,513 It’s just one of those horrible turns of life. 727 00:41:19,769 --> 00:41:22,899 [music] 728 00:41:26,943 --> 00:41:28,573 [Christopher] The wounds of that time 729 00:41:28,611 --> 00:41:30,701 are still open, it’s not healed yet. 730 00:41:31,864 --> 00:41:34,374 The wounds are still fresh toda 731 00:41:34,409 --> 00:41:36,369 as it was back in the ’90s 732 00:41:36,411 --> 00:41:38,081 and 2000s as well. 733 00:41:39,288 --> 00:41:40,578 It still haunts the city 734 00:41:40,623 --> 00:41:43,713 because that’s a dark part of our history. 735 00:41:46,462 --> 00:41:48,092 [Ann] There are so many women 736 00:41:48,131 --> 00:41:50,631 who had been murdered 737 00:41:50,675 --> 00:41:53,435 whose cases were unsolved. 738 00:41:53,469 --> 00:41:56,639 And that’s one thing you think of with ours, 739 00:41:57,140 --> 00:42:00,980 that we were fortunate to know what happened, 740 00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:05,312 and to know who and what and why, 741 00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:07,776 as much as you can know why. 742 00:42:09,193 --> 00:42:10,903 [Man] Eugenie Boisfontaine. 743 00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:13,105 Dianna Williams. 744 00:42:13,156 --> 00:42:14,986 Tannis Walker. 745 00:42:15,033 --> 00:42:16,833 Patricia Harkins. 746 00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:22,291 [Dana] It’s upsetting to read so many names 747 00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:23,621 of so many victims 748 00:42:23,666 --> 00:42:26,456 that were killed during that period of time. 749 00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:28,630 And it’s also upsetting 750 00:42:28,671 --> 00:42:32,381 that their killer was never made answerable 751 00:42:32,425 --> 00:42:33,975 for those murders. 752 00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:36,640 It may have been Jeffery Guillory. 753 00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,639 It may have been Derrick Todd Lee. 754 00:42:40,016 --> 00:42:42,136 It may have been Sean Vincent Gillis, 755 00:42:42,185 --> 00:42:44,775 or it may have been somebody totally unrelated. 756 00:42:44,812 --> 00:42:47,942 But their families have even less answers 757 00:42:48,357 --> 00:42:51,147 and have never received justice. 758 00:42:55,198 --> 00:42:57,238 [music] 57984

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