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The emotions that it brings
when I look back,
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[Dianne] I did think that
I was going to die.
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But fear didn’t overtake me.
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But I didn’t know
who he was at the time.
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I didn’t even know
he was a serial killer.
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I believe I survived because
God needed to use someone
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to just bring justice
for their loved ones.
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[intro music starts]
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♪ Like a whisper
in a hollow ♪
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♪ Tears fall down
while they pray for tomorrow ♪
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♪ Nobody knows
Nobody sees ♪
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♪ Search back the roads
and cold city streets ♪
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♪ There’s evil in the dark ♪
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♪ Blood on their hands
And the devil in their heart ♪
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We start this half hour
with a story
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that is gripping families
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in the state of Louisiana
this morning.
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[Male reporter] It has
happened again .
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The body of a woman
has been found in Whiskey Bay .
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[Claire] There was a body,
and then another body,
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and another body,
and it was all women.
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Oh my God,
we have a serial killer.
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[Male reporter] Police are
searching for a killer
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preying on women here.
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I couldn’t even imagine
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what type of person
would do this.
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[Female reporter] More addition
to the list
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of confirmed
serial killer victims here.
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[Dana] 16 postmortem stabs.
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Just on, and on, and on, and on.
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The murdered actually cut off
limbs of these victims.
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A ritualistic-type killing.
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Remain calm, I know there is
a lot of fear in this city
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and I feel it.
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Every time you turn on the news,
another girl has disappeared.
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That put the body count
of connected murders at five.
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This is serial killer number two
at work.
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I think that the fear
in Baton Rouge
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was starting to get
at a tipping point.
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[Prem] I think we all
go back in time,
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you think of Jack the Ripper,
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you think of Ted Bundy,
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you think of the Zodiac Killer.
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But they are so far removed
from us that,
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all of a sudden,
here in Baton Rouge...
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It’s like, we had this here.
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Another murder has now
been linked to a serial killer.
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[Male reporter] Sheriff’s
detective said they found
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a nude body
of a 43-year-old woman.
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It was incredible
to even contemplate,
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but could there be
a third serial killer?
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[dramatic music stops]
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[introspective music]
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[Claire] This area has always
been home to me.
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It’s just a big,
university town.
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Big political town,
it’s the capital.
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It’s a fun place,
it’s got really nice people,
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and I enjoy living here,
so it’s home.
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It doesn’t look like a place
where murders happen, does it?
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When I was here,
you walked in numbers.
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You didn’t jog alone,
you carried pepper spray...
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I had a pepper spray
on my keychain for years!
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I mean, everyone runs the lake.
It’s always full of people.
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I mean, it is just
the perfect hunting ground
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for a serial killer.
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[introspective music stops]
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[mysterious music]
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[Dana] In the late 1990’s
and early 2000’s,
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several women from
all different parts of life
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were being killed
in Baton Rouge.
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I think that
the tension escalated
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when there were women
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that were taken from their homes
and killed.
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[tense music]
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Neighbors didn’t know
what happened other than
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son was wandering around
in the front yard
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looking for his mom.
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[David] Randi Mebruer’s son was
about three or four years old.
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He had walked next door
to the neighbor’s
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and asked if he could
come over to play.
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She said, "Well, let’s go
ask your momma."
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He said, "My momma’s not there."
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They checked on her
and she was just gone.
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There was just no sign of her
in the house.
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[David] As I arrived
on the scene,
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I saw pink garbage bags on
the ground in front of the door
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As I walked into the residence,
we say dry marks on the carpet
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where there appeared to be
a body dragged across the carpe
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from the bedroom area.
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We also noticed
on the child’s door...
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Blood droplets on his door.
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It appears that the attacker
had looked in on the child
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while he was asleep.
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We found her contact lens
in the blood,
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on the carpet
in the living room area.
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The attack was very violent.
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Blunt force trauma
was committed to her body,
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and it knocked
her contact lens out.
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[Pat] Ms. Mebruer’s keys
were missing from the house,
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but her car was there,
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which gives you some pause
as to why that happened.
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Many times something’s missing
from a home,
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it certainly
draws attention to that.
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[tense music]
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[David] Randi Mebruer
and Connie Warner
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lived a block away
from each other.
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If you looked out
Connie Warner’s front door
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and looked over the roof
of the house in front of that,
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you could see
Randi Mebruer’s house.
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[music intensifies]
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We were called there
because Connie was missing
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and there appeared to be
a struggle.
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We noticed different things
turned over in the living room.
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We saw where there was struggle
in the bedroom area.
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Different things
were thrown around
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inside the bedroom.
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As we did process
the crime scene and the car,
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we noticed that the car keys
were missing from her vehicle.
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We found, body fluids, blood,
in the backseat of the car,
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but also evidence
on top of the trunk of the car.
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We thought maybe
the attacker took her car
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to remove her body
from the area,
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[keys dangling]
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[car starts]
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brought the car back
and left it at the house.
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[gate closes]
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The biggest problem that
happened to this investigation
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was that we had a hurricane
come through, Hurricane Andrew.
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[raining and wind whooshing]
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In his rampages
across Louisiana,
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Andrew has left
at least 20 people dead.
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So the case was kinda halted.
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[music stops]
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[introspective music]
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When she was found weeks later
by the state capital area,
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her body was decomposed
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to the point where we could not
find any evidence.
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You know,
being a smaller agency,
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we did not have
that many homicides in Zachary.
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Our case went cold,
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but I felt like the cases
were connected.
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[tense music]
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There’s no doubt in my mind
at the time
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that the same attacker
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had abducted Connie Warner
away from her house,
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used her vehicle, uh...
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Same attacker abducted
Randi Mebruer from her house
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and used her vehicle
to transfer her body also.
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We talked to many witnesses
involved,
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including
Randi Mebruer’s family.
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Randi had an ex-husband
she was divorced from.
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We interviewed him, and...
You know, he was a suspect.
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But what bothered us was
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why would he leave
his child there?
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You can see blood droplets
on the child’s door.
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It just didn’t feel
like he was the...
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The prime suspect in the case.
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According to me.
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Unfortunately, Randi’s body
was never found,
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and she was never
heard from again.
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Not in our wildest dreams
did we think
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we might be faced with
a serial killer at this point
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who would continue to kill
until we stopped him.
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[dramatic music]
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We would caution the public
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not to let anyone
into your house
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unless you know who they are.
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I’m thinking, "Is this
somebody they knew?
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Is this somebody
in the neighborhood?"
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Her murder was just
incredibly brutal.
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I’ma be honest,
nobody wants to think
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that you may have a serial
investigation taking place
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until it’s proven.
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Because never know.
Am I gonna be next?
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[Reporter] They found DNA
that ties to one individual.
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[Pat] Lightbulb goes off
in your head.
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It was like coming out
of a dream, just waking up,
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and seeing that there were
a series of very vicious deaths.
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We’ve changed the whole
complexion of our case.
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We now know we have
a serial killer.
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[tense music fades out]
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August the 23, 1992,
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Connie Warner was abducted
from her house.
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Her body was found
in Baton Rouge,
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during Hurricane Andrew.
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In ’98, we had another murder
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right around the corner
from Connie Warner’s house,
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the victim was Randi Mebruer.
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In ’97, we began
receiving complaints
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in the area of Oak Shadows,
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which is where Connie Warner
and Randi Mebruer lived,
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about a peeping tom.
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The individual was later
identified as Derrick Todd Lee.
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Derrick Todd Lee was known
around Zachary
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and maybe
the St. Francisville area.
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He had been a Peeping Tom.
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He had been arrested for that.
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And I think he’d been suspected
of several other crimes.
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He was definitely on
law enforcement radar.
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[David] Derrick Todd Lee,
in his childhood,
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he had some violent tendencies
and did some...
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Committed some crimes back the,
including burglary.
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Based off what I’ve seen in ’92
with Connie Warner,
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a peeping tom in ’97,
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and then again,
Randi Mebruer’s case in ’98,
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Derrick Todd Lee was definitely
a suspect.
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We didn’t have a search warrant,
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but he allowed us in the house
to look around.
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I’ll never forget that night.
I was in the bedroom.
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One side of the closet was very
neat, folded clothes
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the other side of the closet
was disarrayed.
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While I was searching
his closet,
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the hair on the back of my neck
stood up.
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I turned around, he was
right there, on top of me,
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I had to kind of push him back,
get him off of me.
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He became agitated and asked us
to leave the house.
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Obviously, I was close
to something in that closet
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that he didn’t want me to see.
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[music intensifies, then fades]
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[Dana] They just didn’t have
any witnesses,
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they didn’t have any leads.
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But at that point in time,
DNA was just in its infancy.
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So there wasn’t a lot of testing
going on in Baton Rouge,
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and there was not
the CODIS database.
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And that was really before DNA
was...
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Was a tool that was used
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in law enforcement
in Baton Rouge.
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[David] No physical evidence
at the scene.
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Not really understanding DNA
back then, in 1998,
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we just really couldn’t come up
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with a whole lot of evidence
at the time.
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[Prem] At this point,
this case can’t be solved.
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It becomes what is known
as a cold case.
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[tense music]
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[Max] January of ’99,
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we receive a call that
a body had been discovered
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in a remote area of Baton Rouge.
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I go to the scene,
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and there’s the nude body
of a black female
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under a dead end sign.
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On the first look,
it was apparent
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that the body had been posed
in a manner to draw attention.
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There was just something about
the position of her body,
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particularly when she was naked.
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And you see the human body,
the human outline,
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so much better than
if she’d been fully dressed,
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but it was if she was floating,
as if she was a ballerina,
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the way her arms were placed,
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the way that the legs
were placed.
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[Bryan] The most striking thing
was the cuttings
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on and about her body.
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It was almost as if
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someone had tried to perform
their own autopsy on her.
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She was significantly cut,
like a deep cut,
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from almost her hip,
down her leg,
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almost to her ankle,
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where you could actually
see the bone in her leg.
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[Prem] 16 postmortem stabs.
That-That’s a lot.
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That’s, like,
somebody overkilled.
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Just on, and on, and on, and on.
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Obviously, you had
a sick individual
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that had committed
this homicide.
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[dramatic music]
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[Bryan] The fingerprints taken
from the victim,
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they were matched
to Katherine Hall.
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Katherine Hall had
a criminal record.
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[Prem] She was, in fact,
a person who had addictions,
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who had prostitution arrests.
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So, you have, basically,
a woman who is vulnerable
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who is chosen
because of that vulnerability.
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The person targeting
very clearly is, to me,
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like an animal stalking prey.
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Animals pick the weakest
of the lot
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to go after and kill.
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In the mind of the killer,
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these are people
of lesser values,
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But they are still
someone’s mother,
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someone’s daughter,
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they are someone’s loved one.
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[Bryan] In addition to
the significant cuttings
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on and about her legs and body,
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what we found very disturbing is
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her killer had also cut off
one of her eyelids.
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It’s like, "What are you doing
with this?
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Are you taking this?
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Are you taking this
as a souvenir?"
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[dramatic music intensifies]
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In Katherine’s mouth was
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what appeared to be
a pubic hair.
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With a root on it.
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The difference between just
finding a hair without a root
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and a hair with a root is that,
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if a hair has a root,
it has DNA in it.
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When the testing was done,
it was found that
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that root had produced
a DNA sample
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that could be matched
to somebody.
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But there was nobody
in the system to compare it to.
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The other thing that was
very unusual was the fact that
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there are some very strange
ligature marks on her neck.
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And a ligature can be
a piece of cloth,
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it can be a piece of cord,
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But it could also be a zip-tie.
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Her neck appeared to have
a tie like that.
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[introspective music]
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[Bryan] Several days later,
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a citizen found some items
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that had been dumped
on River Road.
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From where she was found,
it’s a good 15 to 20 miles.
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That was later determined to be
the victim’s jacket, ID,
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and there was also a zip-tie
that was cut.
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A zip-tie sufficiently large
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to be placed around
a person’s neck.
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[Bryan] We followed up on
every possible lead we could,
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but because of
her high-risk lifestyle,
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you really don’t find a lot of
people willing to talk about it.
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This is a person whose joy
is in the killing
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and the mutilation.
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This is a totally different
animal.
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What a forensic profiler
would call
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a ritualistic-type killing.
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[music ends]
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[Dana] In 1999,
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there was
an anonymous phone call
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made from a payphone.
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[Christopher] The caller said
her name was Florida Douglas,
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which is her maiden name.
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Which told me that he knew
the victim, he knew her well.
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[dial tone]
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[music fades out]
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[introspective music]
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In the state of Louisiana,
a parish is a county,
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and each parish
has several cities,
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and each city
has a police department.
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Each parish or county would hav
a Sheriff’s Department.
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[Bryan] At the time,
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we’re all working
our own homicides,
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but a lot of the dots
aren’t being connected
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because of jurisdictional line.
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There wasn’t a lot of
communication between parishes,
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so if a murder happened here
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and a murder happened
in Lafayette,
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law enforcement officers
weren’t working together
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in order to solve those murders.
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[dramatic music stops]
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[moody piano music]
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[line ringing]
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[Dana] In 1999,
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there was
an anonymous phone call
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made from a pay phone.
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[line continues ringing]
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[dial tone]
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[police sirens]
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[Christopher] The caller
that made the 911 call said
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there was a dead body
in the old Dynasty Club
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that was vacant at the time.
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They had shrubbery growing
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and greenery growing
inside the building.
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There was lots and lots
of trash.
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It obviously had been a place
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that probably drug users
had frequented.
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She was found, she was nude,
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and she was on her back,
and she draped over a box.
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[Christopher] It appeared
as someone may have
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sat on top of her body
and strangled her.
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The killer placed her body
on top of that box
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so investigators would have
a shock effect
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once we see the body.
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We were able
to get DNA from that scene
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in the form of bodily fluids
we think was semen on her leg.
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We fingerprinted the victim
at the crime scene.
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We eventually identify her
as being Florida Edwards,
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even though the caller said
her name was Florida Douglas,
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which is her maiden name.
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Which told me that he knew
the victim, he knew her well.
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[Dana] At that point in time,
there were no eyewitnesses.
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Obviously somebody made
a phone call,
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but nobody knew who that was.
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[Christopher] The handset
that the caller made
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from this pay phone
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has tissue of napkin
wrapped around the handset,
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which meant that he did not want
to leave his fingerprints.
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[Dana] There was just
a long list of women
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that were murdered
in Baton Rouge.
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Women from all different
parts of life.
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There were women
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that were taken from their home
and killed,
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and then, also,
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there were people that
had high-risk lifestyles
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that were killed.
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[Prem] All of a sudden,
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there are a lot of killing
of women of the street.
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[Christopher] Two neighbors
in the area of North Acadian
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smelled a foul smell
coming from a house nearby.
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They contact
the police department.
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When I walked inside that house
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it was vacant,
it was a lot of trash inside.
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Once we got
to the back of the residence,
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we discovered
the dead body of a female.
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[tense music]
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The female body was in advanced
stage of decomposition,
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you can tell by the infestation
of insects on her body.
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And you could tell that
she had injury to her head.
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She was leaning
against the wall,
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her legs were spread apart.
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[Dana] There was a Bud Light can
along with all the other trash.
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That Bud Light can,
and several others,
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were fingerprinted,
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and there was a fingerprint
lifted from that
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that was kept
at the state police crime lab.
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[Christopher] Fingerprints from
the body in the house
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was matched to Sylvia Cobb,
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who was reported missing
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days prior to discovering
her body.
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She was described
by her family members
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to have been
somewhat down on her luck.
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And was found to be in areas
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where there was
high-risk behavior.
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Both Florida Edwards
and Sylvia Cobb
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frequented places
that were high risk.
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They were at least
in the neighborhoods
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where drugs were being used
and prostitution was prevalent.
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I think that law enforcement
was concerned that,
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because there were similarities
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they were both posed,
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both found in areas
that were frequented
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by drug users and prostitutes,
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that these victims may have been
murdered by the same person.
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[tense music ends]
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[introspective music]
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[Christopher] While
investigating the crimes
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in north Baton Rouge,
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at the same time, we had
another murder took place
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near LSU area,
on Stanford Avenue.
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Gina Wilson Green lived
on Stanford Avenue,
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which is a very well-traveled
road in Baton Rouge,
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about four blocks from LSU.
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Gina was a nurse,
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and she just didn’t show up
for work one day,
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and one of her colleagues
tried to get in touch with her
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and couldn’t do so.
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So he went out to her house
to do a welfare check,
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and found her dead in her bed.
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We got to the residence
and the backdoor was unlocked.
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But once we got in,
we can see the rug
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that led from the backdoor
to the bedroom
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was sort of shift to the right
a little bit.
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Which tells us that, possibly,
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a struggle took place
near the doorway.
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[mysterious music]
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You can see Gina Green laid
in her bed.
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A small amount of blood
near her body.
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You can see some kind of
ligature marks around her neck.
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It’s obvious
that she was strangled.
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When they worked
the crime scene in the house,
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they recovered a blouse
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that they believed
that she was wearing
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at the time of the attack.
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[Christopher] We realized
she had things missing
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from her residence.
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00:24:27,716 --> 00:24:28,676
Her purse,
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she had her cell phone
missing...
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I think the killer that took
the property and evidence
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from Gina Green house,
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his intention probably was
to throw us off track.
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We got help from
a local phone company
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to track Gina Green’s cellphone
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[Dana] They pinged it
out off Choctaw,
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this is kind of a northern part
of Baton Rouge,
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kind of deserted, kind of like
a warehouse district.
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[Christopher] Along with
her cellphone,
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we collected evidence
of her mail,
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as well as her purse
and denim shorts.
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And what’s valuable about that
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is that we’s able
to get trace evidence
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from those items
that was collected.
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[Dana] There wasn’t much
of a DNA database
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across the country,
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and certainly not
in Baton Rouge.
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So they had the genetic identity
of the murderer,
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but they couldn’t
do much with ’em,
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because there wasn’t
a large database
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to draw information from.
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We looked at any friends
or co-workers
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anyone who knew Gina Green.
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[Pat] Gina Green was
a registered nurse.
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Was there some connection
between her murder
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and her work in some way?
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But it was also a forced entry,
a home invasion,
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where they went in, secured her
as fast as they could,
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and then, ended up
raping and killing her.
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[Prem] This is a person
coming into your home,
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knowing your schedule,
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raping you,
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not leaving.
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But then, viciously,
making you fight for your life.
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And we don’t know who it is.
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[music builds up, then stops]
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00:26:17,159 --> 00:26:18,739
[dramatic music]
499
00:26:18,786 --> 00:26:20,616
[Reporter] So with the city
hanging by a thread
500
00:26:20,662 --> 00:26:22,122
in this summer of scare,
501
00:26:22,164 --> 00:26:24,964
you have to wonder
what’s tugging at that thread.
502
00:26:36,512 --> 00:26:38,932
[Pat] The location
of Gina Greene’s home
503
00:26:38,972 --> 00:26:41,272
was adjacent to LSU.
504
00:26:41,308 --> 00:26:45,308
There’s probably 20,000 females
on the campus of LSU,
505
00:26:45,354 --> 00:26:49,114
so it sent ripples
into that community.
506
00:26:49,149 --> 00:26:51,279
The ladies that lived
down the street
507
00:26:51,318 --> 00:26:52,608
can relate to that,
508
00:26:52,653 --> 00:26:55,243
and they’re in total fear
at that point.
509
00:26:55,864 --> 00:26:57,494
[Woman] Everyone needs
to be aware
510
00:26:57,533 --> 00:27:00,623
that something like this could
happen in their neighborhood.
511
00:27:00,661 --> 00:27:04,041
[introspective music]
512
00:27:08,919 --> 00:27:10,879
[Christopher] May 31, 2002,
513
00:27:10,921 --> 00:27:14,801
we was called to
a townhome complex near LSU.
514
00:27:14,842 --> 00:27:16,472
The victim was discovered
in a residence,
515
00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:17,800
stabbed to death.
516
00:27:18,846 --> 00:27:22,716
Charlotte Murray Pace
is just graduating from LSU.
517
00:27:23,225 --> 00:27:26,315
She is one of
the youngest students at LSU
518
00:27:26,353 --> 00:27:27,693
to ever get her MBA.
519
00:27:28,772 --> 00:27:32,072
Her roommate goes
to their apartment
520
00:27:32,109 --> 00:27:35,739
and finds a horribly bloody
crime scene.
521
00:27:36,405 --> 00:27:40,785
Murray’s body in her bedroom,
lying nude on the floor,
522
00:27:41,076 --> 00:27:44,116
where she had been
stabbed 81 times.
523
00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:45,503
[police sirens]
524
00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:48,790
The crime scene
was disorganized,
525
00:27:49,251 --> 00:27:52,211
there was blood evidence
throughout the townhome.
526
00:27:53,255 --> 00:27:54,845
From the hallway to the bedroom
527
00:27:56,091 --> 00:27:59,511
We saw that,
in the living room, on a sofa,
528
00:27:59,553 --> 00:28:01,643
there was a half-eaten sandwich
529
00:28:04,224 --> 00:28:06,854
[Dana] She had, you know,
like, a sandwich and grapes.
530
00:28:06,894 --> 00:28:10,024
And so, she was obviously...
Her lunch was interrupted.
531
00:28:11,148 --> 00:28:13,228
[Christopher] From there,
was a bedroom
532
00:28:13,275 --> 00:28:16,115
where Charlotte Murray Pace
was discovered.
533
00:28:19,448 --> 00:28:21,528
She had multiple stab wounds,
534
00:28:21,575 --> 00:28:22,835
she’s laying on her back,
535
00:28:22,868 --> 00:28:27,038
and her neck had a very,
very large hole in it.
536
00:28:28,123 --> 00:28:30,833
[Pat] Murray was
in pretty good shape,
537
00:28:30,876 --> 00:28:32,536
she was fairly strong,
538
00:28:32,586 --> 00:28:36,256
and it appeared
that she fought her offender
539
00:28:36,298 --> 00:28:37,718
to the death, literally.
540
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,260
He could not gain control of hr
541
00:28:41,303 --> 00:28:44,933
during this whole ordeal
that she went through hell on.
542
00:28:45,807 --> 00:28:48,267
[Dana] Again, there were
no witnesses.
543
00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:51,477
There was no information
at that point
544
00:28:51,521 --> 00:28:55,231
about who would kill
Murray Pace.
545
00:28:57,027 --> 00:28:59,897
Who was just
a brilliant, young person
546
00:28:59,947 --> 00:29:01,607
that was just beginning
her life.
547
00:29:04,993 --> 00:29:07,293
[dramatic music builds up]
548
00:29:07,329 --> 00:29:11,419
I was home from work
and I’d started fixing supper
549
00:29:11,458 --> 00:29:16,298
when I got a phone call
from a close friend of Murray’s.
550
00:29:16,338 --> 00:29:18,008
[phone rings in the distance]
551
00:29:18,048 --> 00:29:20,628
And she told me
what had happened
552
00:29:20,676 --> 00:29:23,886
and we thought
she must have been mistaken.
553
00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:26,679
’Cause, you know, you just
don’t think that can happen.
554
00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:31,266
It’s not something
you ever imagine.
555
00:29:34,523 --> 00:29:36,983
It’s like falling down
a rabbit hole
556
00:29:37,025 --> 00:29:39,605
that the door shuts behind you,
557
00:29:40,988 --> 00:29:46,368
and you find yourself in a world
that’s completely unfamiliar,
558
00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:49,790
with lots of dark corners
and sharp edges,
559
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:52,460
and you never
really leave it again.
560
00:29:52,958 --> 00:29:55,208
It’s always with you after that,
561
00:29:55,877 --> 00:29:58,627
that moment
that changes the world.
562
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:04,760
[sentimental music]
563
00:30:07,639 --> 00:30:11,139
Murray grew up
in Jackson, Mississippi.
564
00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:15,650
She finished high school
when she was 16
565
00:30:17,107 --> 00:30:20,147
and a four-year college
when she was 20,
566
00:30:20,193 --> 00:30:23,403
and had completed her MBA
when she was 22.
567
00:30:25,407 --> 00:30:27,527
She was funny,
568
00:30:27,576 --> 00:30:30,326
she just had a wonderful
sense of humor.
569
00:30:31,288 --> 00:30:34,618
But I think
her greatest attribute
570
00:30:34,666 --> 00:30:38,286
was her ability
to connect with people.
571
00:30:39,546 --> 00:30:41,166
That was her super power.
572
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:45,180
She was as a good a friend
as you’d ever hope to have.
573
00:30:49,431 --> 00:30:52,271
[tense music]
574
00:30:53,226 --> 00:30:55,936
And I finally went
to Baton Rouge
575
00:30:56,438 --> 00:30:58,308
and met with the coroner,
576
00:30:59,191 --> 00:31:01,401
and made him tell me every
single thing
577
00:31:01,443 --> 00:31:02,653
that happened to her,
578
00:31:03,653 --> 00:31:05,703
[sobbing] ’cause I felt
like I had to know it.
579
00:31:09,076 --> 00:31:13,366
And he showed us on a mannequin
all the stab wounds
580
00:31:14,748 --> 00:31:16,328
he showed us everything
581
00:31:16,375 --> 00:31:18,885
until we just couldn’t
look at it anymore.
582
00:31:20,962 --> 00:31:23,422
I became a prosecutor
583
00:31:23,465 --> 00:31:28,055
because I felt that victims
deserve to have justice.
584
00:31:28,095 --> 00:31:31,765
But the sadness of it
is a little hard sometimes.
585
00:31:31,807 --> 00:31:33,767
These families members,
you know,
586
00:31:33,809 --> 00:31:36,099
you hear the term closure...
587
00:31:36,144 --> 00:31:38,694
That’s just...
That doesn’t exist.
588
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:40,610
The rest of their lives,
589
00:31:40,649 --> 00:31:45,109
they will live with the loss
that they’ve experienced,
590
00:31:45,153 --> 00:31:48,623
they will wonder how much
their loved one hurt
591
00:31:48,657 --> 00:31:49,907
when they were killed,
592
00:31:49,950 --> 00:31:53,290
and they will never, ever
leave it behind.
593
00:31:53,328 --> 00:31:56,748
It-they just don’t recover.
Not completely. Ever.
594
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:02,750
[introspective music]
595
00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:05,302
[Christopher] As a detective,
596
00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:07,090
you want to solve
all your cases.
597
00:32:07,676 --> 00:32:08,796
And so, you’re constantly
thinking
598
00:32:08,844 --> 00:32:10,804
about things you’ve done,
599
00:32:10,846 --> 00:32:13,506
things that you should’ve done,
600
00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:16,392
second guessing yourself,
to say,
601
00:32:16,435 --> 00:32:18,275
"Did I look
at all the evidence?"
602
00:32:18,311 --> 00:32:20,101
You really want
to solve all the cases,
603
00:32:20,147 --> 00:32:22,317
not only for the victims,
604
00:32:22,357 --> 00:32:27,107
but the victims families,
as well as the, uh, community.
605
00:32:27,154 --> 00:32:28,704
You got more at stake,
606
00:32:28,738 --> 00:32:31,278
because that serial killer
is not gonna stop his activitie
607
00:32:31,867 --> 00:32:33,657
until he’s apprehended.
608
00:32:33,702 --> 00:32:35,502
It’s a race against the clock.
609
00:32:37,205 --> 00:32:39,785
[tense music]
610
00:32:44,796 --> 00:32:46,206
[Pat] During
our background check,
611
00:32:46,256 --> 00:32:49,086
we learn that Charlotte
Murray Pace once lived
612
00:32:49,134 --> 00:32:52,604
three houses down
from Gina Green.
613
00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:59,143
Murray lived in a house
with other girls
614
00:32:59,186 --> 00:33:03,396
who were in graduate school
on Stanford Avenue.
615
00:33:04,024 --> 00:33:07,154
This was way too coincidental
in our books.
616
00:33:07,194 --> 00:33:10,284
I mean it just sent a shockwave
through all of us.
617
00:33:14,117 --> 00:33:15,947
It stands to reason
618
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:19,964
that the killer
was Charlotte Murray Pace
619
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,830
when he was stalking Gina Green
620
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:26,299
And after he killed Gina,
621
00:33:26,588 --> 00:33:28,668
and Murray moved,
622
00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:31,835
he followed her and stalked he.
623
00:33:33,428 --> 00:33:36,058
He stalked,
he stalked in the way
624
00:33:36,097 --> 00:33:38,387
the ritualistic killer stalked.
625
00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:42,023
That is a part of the psycholog
of these killers,
626
00:33:42,062 --> 00:33:45,482
they are like huntsman
with prey.
627
00:33:50,987 --> 00:33:52,317
[Dana] At this point in time,
628
00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:54,414
there’s still had not been
a connection made.
629
00:33:54,449 --> 00:33:57,989
The murder of Gina Green and
Murray
630
00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:00,366
were different enough that,
631
00:34:00,413 --> 00:34:02,753
you know,
Murray’s stabbed brutally,
632
00:34:02,791 --> 00:34:04,921
and her throat
was slashed as well,
633
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,300
and Gina Green was strangled.
634
00:34:08,255 --> 00:34:10,385
They weren’t close enough
that everybody said,
635
00:34:10,423 --> 00:34:14,053
"Oh, definitely,
must’ve been the same person"
636
00:34:15,095 --> 00:34:17,815
[dramatic music]
637
00:34:18,139 --> 00:34:21,599
In July of 2002,
two of the DNA analysts
638
00:34:21,643 --> 00:34:24,403
just happened to be hanging out
in the breakroom
639
00:34:24,646 --> 00:34:26,726
and talking about their cases.
640
00:34:27,274 --> 00:34:31,194
They decided, not pursuant
to law enforcement requests,
641
00:34:31,236 --> 00:34:34,026
but they decided
to just kinda compare
642
00:34:34,072 --> 00:34:36,952
their profiles that
they received from their DNA,
643
00:34:36,992 --> 00:34:39,122
because Murray’s body had
644
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,580
a complete profile
of her attacker.
645
00:34:43,456 --> 00:34:47,416
So they have this conversation,
and they compare the profiles,
646
00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:48,960
and oh my gosh,
647
00:34:49,546 --> 00:34:52,216
the profiles
were an exact match.
648
00:34:52,757 --> 00:34:56,797
I remember the two DNA analysts
screaming, literally,
649
00:34:56,845 --> 00:34:58,145
in the laboratory,
650
00:34:58,179 --> 00:35:00,179
that we had connected
the Gina Green case
651
00:35:00,223 --> 00:35:01,933
and the Charlotte Murray Pace
case,
652
00:35:02,475 --> 00:35:04,635
We were just completely floored
653
00:35:04,686 --> 00:35:07,306
That’s when the thought was,
654
00:35:07,355 --> 00:35:10,475
"Oh my God,
we have a serial killer."
655
00:35:11,693 --> 00:35:13,113
Hopefully to remain calm,
656
00:35:13,153 --> 00:35:15,243
I know there’s a lot of fear
in this city.
657
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,700
- [Woman] Two unsolved murders.
- [Man] Local women in Baton...
658
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:21,330
Sexual assault, rape,
and a very, very violent death.
659
00:35:21,369 --> 00:35:22,499
You had to worry
about your wife,
660
00:35:22,537 --> 00:35:24,367
you had to worry
about your daughter.
661
00:35:24,414 --> 00:35:25,834
Nobody was safe.
662
00:35:25,874 --> 00:35:27,334
I’m lookin’ ya right between
the eyes and tell you,
663
00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:29,495
we don’t have
anything at this point.
664
00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:32,594
How do you slow this down?
How do you stop it?
665
00:35:32,631 --> 00:35:35,421
How do you prevent
having another victim?
666
00:35:35,842 --> 00:35:37,642
[dramatic music fades]
667
00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:44,735
gun stores are again
668
00:35:44,768 --> 00:35:46,558
selling handguns
at record rates.
669
00:35:46,603 --> 00:35:49,903
Store owners are telling us
most of those buying guns
670
00:35:49,939 --> 00:35:51,569
are female college students.
671
00:35:51,608 --> 00:35:54,898
It’s a situation
that has many people on edge.
672
00:35:54,944 --> 00:35:56,204
[Female Reporter] One of
the murder victims
673
00:35:56,237 --> 00:35:58,567
was Jackson-native Murray Pace,
674
00:35:58,615 --> 00:36:00,495
it’s tonight’s big story
675
00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:03,082
[Claire] There was a big weight
676
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,159
A nervousness, an anxiousness
around campus.
677
00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:10,998
You had Gina Green,
who was killed right off campus
678
00:36:12,253 --> 00:36:14,093
And then you had
Charlotte Murray Pace,
679
00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:16,880
who was a former neighbor
of Gina Green,
680
00:36:16,925 --> 00:36:20,225
and she was stabbed more than
80 times with a screwdriver.
681
00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:23,140
[Dana] Once that connection
is made,
682
00:36:23,181 --> 00:36:26,101
there’s more of an urgency
in Baton Rouge.
683
00:36:26,142 --> 00:36:29,852
I mean, suddenly, we know
that we have a problem,
684
00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:33,978
and that someone else
is likely to be killed
685
00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:36,565
if we don’t do something
to find this person.
686
00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:39,200
So there’s
a great deal of urgency.
687
00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:42,408
It really could have been me,
it could have been my sister,
688
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:45,620
it could have been
any female student at the time.
689
00:36:47,288 --> 00:36:49,418
[introspective music fades]
690
00:36:49,833 --> 00:36:51,133
I’m going to be honest,
691
00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:54,417
nobody wants to think,
at that point in time,
692
00:36:54,462 --> 00:36:57,632
that you may have a serial
investigation taking place
693
00:36:57,674 --> 00:36:58,934
until it’s proven.
694
00:36:58,967 --> 00:37:00,507
We know that
those sorts of things
695
00:37:00,552 --> 00:37:03,142
are very disturbing
to the public.
696
00:37:03,179 --> 00:37:06,349
So, we walk down that path
very carefully.
697
00:37:06,808 --> 00:37:09,058
[intense music]
698
00:37:12,272 --> 00:37:15,192
[Dana] Pam Kinamore is
a 44-year-old owner
699
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:16,613
of an antique shop,
700
00:37:17,152 --> 00:37:19,652
she lives in Baton Rouge,
she is married,
701
00:37:19,696 --> 00:37:21,946
and has one son.
702
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:23,990
On the night in question,
703
00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:26,793
she arrived home,
704
00:37:26,828 --> 00:37:28,618
preparing to take a bath.
705
00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:31,963
She has candles lit,
she has the bathwater run...
706
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,540
And she was just gone.
707
00:37:35,712 --> 00:37:37,632
[Christopher] The victim’s
husband discovered that,
708
00:37:37,672 --> 00:37:40,222
once he got home, the van was
parked in the driveway,
709
00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:44,218
the tub had water in it,
and there’s blood on the rug.
710
00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:47,393
[Woman Reporter] Pam’s husband,
Byron Kinamore, says
711
00:37:47,432 --> 00:37:49,352
he came home late last night.
712
00:37:49,392 --> 00:37:52,482
Pam’s car was in the driveway
of her Briarwood Estates home.
713
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,020
[Male Reporter] Neighbors
noticed lights on in the house
714
00:37:54,063 --> 00:37:55,653
around 10 PM.
715
00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:59,610
[Dana] There was blood found
on the rug in the den.
716
00:38:00,737 --> 00:38:03,607
Other than that, there wasn’t
much sign of struggle.
717
00:38:04,741 --> 00:38:08,041
At the time, we had no clue
as to who may have done this.
718
00:38:08,077 --> 00:38:09,697
The tub was full of water,
719
00:38:09,746 --> 00:38:13,416
so we assume that the victim wa
in the process of taking a bath
720
00:38:13,458 --> 00:38:16,128
when the attacker made contact
with her.
721
00:38:17,212 --> 00:38:20,132
[Dana] Crime scene officers
collected swabs
722
00:38:20,173 --> 00:38:22,723
from those blood spots.
723
00:38:22,759 --> 00:38:26,679
And they were run by
the state police crime lab.
724
00:38:28,598 --> 00:38:30,598
[Woman Reporter] investigators
say this is also too early
725
00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:33,232
to know if this is
in any way connected
726
00:38:33,269 --> 00:38:35,189
to the recent LSU murders.
727
00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:37,480
[dramatic music]
728
00:38:39,776 --> 00:38:42,896
[Dana] On July 16, 2002,
729
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:47,241
fishermen found her body
off the Whiskey Bay Bridge
730
00:38:47,283 --> 00:38:48,953
on the Atchafalaya Basin.
731
00:38:49,869 --> 00:38:52,499
[Pat] the elements had really
taken their toll on her body.
732
00:38:54,165 --> 00:38:57,335
We also discovered
that her throat had been slit.
733
00:38:58,545 --> 00:39:01,925
[Dana] Investigators also saw
a piece of a phone cord
734
00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:04,970
that they thought
was out of place.
735
00:39:05,468 --> 00:39:07,428
So, they collected
that phone cord
736
00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:09,310
and they put it into evidence.
737
00:39:10,807 --> 00:39:14,767
Pam Kinamore was
a little bit different a victim.
738
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,190
She was a wife,
she was a mother,
739
00:39:17,772 --> 00:39:19,862
lived on the opposite side
of town.
740
00:39:22,819 --> 00:39:24,109
They were able to obtain
741
00:39:24,153 --> 00:39:26,823
at least a partial profile
from her body.
742
00:39:27,282 --> 00:39:28,742
Stunning news this evening
in the murder
743
00:39:28,783 --> 00:39:31,793
of South Baton Rouge
businesswoman Pam Kinamore.
744
00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:34,751
DNA tests released
this afternoon
745
00:39:34,789 --> 00:39:36,789
show Kinamore’s killer
is the same man
746
00:39:36,833 --> 00:39:39,633
who murdered two other woman
in South Baton Rouge.
747
00:39:40,169 --> 00:39:41,299
[Natasha] These three women now
748
00:39:41,337 --> 00:39:42,917
all have been linked
forensically
749
00:39:42,964 --> 00:39:46,184
and have been killed by
the same person, and therefore,
750
00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:48,507
have met the definition
of a serial killer.
751
00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:50,760
I mean, honestly, we were just
completely floored,
752
00:39:50,805 --> 00:39:53,135
because these cases
were kind of different.
753
00:39:53,182 --> 00:39:54,812
Charlotte Murray Pace
had been stabbed.
754
00:39:54,851 --> 00:39:57,481
Pam Kinamore had actually been
abducted from her home,
755
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,690
and then, dumped miles away
in a body of water.
756
00:40:00,732 --> 00:40:04,282
Which made connecting them
through a normal means of things
757
00:40:04,319 --> 00:40:07,149
like M. O., victimology,
things like that,
758
00:40:07,196 --> 00:40:08,816
very, very difficult.
759
00:40:08,865 --> 00:40:11,995
And the only way to connect the
was through the forensic means,
760
00:40:12,035 --> 00:40:13,245
in this case, DNA.
761
00:40:13,703 --> 00:40:15,703
It’s a DNA discovery
that prompted police
762
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:18,077
to issue a special plea
late today.
763
00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:19,504
[Christopher] Once we got
the match,
764
00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:21,292
there was a press conference
to announce to the public
765
00:40:21,336 --> 00:40:22,956
that we had one killer.
766
00:40:23,004 --> 00:40:24,554
We want everybody to be aware
767
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:28,089
that it appears that we have
a single, uh... Killer.
768
00:40:28,593 --> 00:40:30,393
[Pat] The decision to
announce that
769
00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:32,388
was extremely hard.
770
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:36,600
We had a duty to the public,
to let them know.
771
00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:39,195
People had a right
to defend themselves
772
00:40:39,228 --> 00:40:40,808
or prepare themselves
773
00:40:40,855 --> 00:40:43,225
if they thought they might
end up as a victim.
774
00:40:43,274 --> 00:40:44,694
[shotgun goes off]
775
00:40:44,734 --> 00:40:46,194
Public officials are
very hesitant
776
00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:47,695
to use the word "serial killer"
777
00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:50,697
because of the fear it invokes
in the general public.
778
00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:52,870
I’m lookin’ ya right between
the eyes and tell you,
779
00:40:52,909 --> 00:40:55,369
we don’t have anything
at this point
780
00:40:55,411 --> 00:40:57,161
that we can give to the public.
781
00:40:57,205 --> 00:40:59,375
[Pat] So it’s always
a juggling act
782
00:40:59,415 --> 00:41:02,665
to try to make sure you got
all your pieces in place
783
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:04,880
before you put out that word,
784
00:41:04,921 --> 00:41:09,801
because you’re gonna be besieged
with thousands of tips
785
00:41:09,842 --> 00:41:13,472
And we needed to be ready
for that day when it came.
786
00:41:13,513 --> 00:41:15,183
We would caution the public
787
00:41:15,223 --> 00:41:17,223
not to let anyone
into your house
788
00:41:17,266 --> 00:41:18,886
unless you know who they are.
789
00:41:19,268 --> 00:41:20,898
[Joel] Nobody knew
what was going on.
790
00:41:20,937 --> 00:41:23,857
There was limited information
coming out in the news.
791
00:41:23,898 --> 00:41:27,108
Everybody was scared
and didn’t know what to do.
792
00:41:27,151 --> 00:41:30,361
You had people
that were buying guns,
793
00:41:30,405 --> 00:41:31,615
going for training...
794
00:41:31,656 --> 00:41:33,736
It was the summer of fear.
795
00:41:33,783 --> 00:41:37,333
The fear of a serial killer
is that there is somebody
796
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:40,370
that is under the radar
of law enforcement.
797
00:41:40,415 --> 00:41:42,635
This person could just
be driving around,
798
00:41:42,667 --> 00:41:43,917
He had apparently followed the,
799
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,210
he apparently had known
some of their routine,
800
00:41:47,255 --> 00:41:49,725
he had known some
of where they had lived.
801
00:41:49,757 --> 00:41:52,427
I’m thinking,
"Is this somebody they knew?
802
00:41:52,468 --> 00:41:54,598
Is this somebody
in the neighborhood?"
803
00:41:54,637 --> 00:41:55,927
People that didn’t
lock their doors
804
00:41:55,972 --> 00:41:57,392
started locking their doors,
805
00:41:57,432 --> 00:41:59,682
People became more skeptical
of everybody they saw,
806
00:41:59,726 --> 00:42:01,596
and became more cautious of,
you know...
807
00:42:01,644 --> 00:42:02,944
"Is that person’s
the serial killer?"
808
00:42:02,979 --> 00:42:05,399
I think everybody
should be cautious.
809
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,230
We know that these guys
will typically kill
810
00:42:08,276 --> 00:42:09,936
until they’re caught,
811
00:42:09,986 --> 00:42:11,446
and our biggest fear is
812
00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:14,867
if the next one was
going to come sooner than later.
813
00:42:16,284 --> 00:42:17,794
[dramatic music stops]
814
00:42:18,411 --> 00:42:20,961
But first, we have
some very important news
815
00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:23,957
regarding the search for
the Baton Rouge Serial Killer.
816
00:42:24,292 --> 00:42:26,502
[Dana] A white man,
in a white truck,
817
00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:29,384
with a naked woman.
818
00:42:29,881 --> 00:42:32,681
a white truck they believe
Pam Kinamore’s body was seen in
819
00:42:32,717 --> 00:42:35,757
shortly before it was dumped
there at the Whiskey Bay Bridge
820
00:42:35,803 --> 00:42:38,313
[Pat] It absolutely went crazy.
821
00:42:38,347 --> 00:42:40,717
It was like a nightmare.
822
00:42:41,434 --> 00:42:44,654
Oh my gosh, have we been wrong?
823
00:42:44,687 --> 00:42:48,187
Are we dealing with
a white man in a white truck?
824
00:42:48,232 --> 00:42:51,242
Everybody in Baton Rouge
apparently knew
825
00:42:51,277 --> 00:42:53,147
who the serial killer was,
except me.
826
00:42:53,196 --> 00:42:55,486
Or is there something else here?
827
00:42:55,531 --> 00:42:56,821
[Pat] This was
a big freakin’ deal.
828
00:42:56,866 --> 00:43:00,156
We’ve changed the whole
complexion and direction
829
00:43:00,203 --> 00:43:01,663
of our case.
830
00:43:01,704 --> 00:43:05,334
That put the body count
of connected murders at five.
831
00:43:05,374 --> 00:43:07,884
So now, we knew
we were on a manhunt.
832
00:43:17,804 --> 00:43:20,264
They found DNA
that ties to one individual,
833
00:43:20,306 --> 00:43:21,966
they’re just not sure
who that individual is...
834
00:43:22,016 --> 00:43:23,976
[Woman] There is fear
in this community,
835
00:43:24,018 --> 00:43:26,188
both on campus and off.
836
00:43:26,687 --> 00:43:28,267
[introspective music]
837
00:43:28,314 --> 00:43:29,864
[Pat] We immediately
called a meeting
838
00:43:29,899 --> 00:43:33,279
with all the Who’s Who of
law enforcement in Baton Rouge.
839
00:43:33,694 --> 00:43:35,154
DAs, US attorneys,
840
00:43:35,196 --> 00:43:37,026
head of
law enforcement agencies,
841
00:43:37,073 --> 00:43:39,373
And we sat at the FBI’s office
842
00:43:39,408 --> 00:43:41,908
and we discussed these cases
at length.
843
00:43:42,495 --> 00:43:46,875
The FBI can assist state and
local law enforcement officers
844
00:43:46,916 --> 00:43:49,036
when they’re conducting
investigations
845
00:43:49,085 --> 00:43:50,545
into serial murders.
846
00:43:50,586 --> 00:43:54,756
The criteria is that there needs
to be three homicides,
847
00:43:54,799 --> 00:43:56,009
and they have to be linked.
848
00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:58,474
The Baton Rouge Police
Department
849
00:43:58,511 --> 00:44:01,311
and the Sheriff’s Office
contacted the FBI
850
00:44:01,347 --> 00:44:02,887
and requested our assistance.
851
00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:05,346
[Christopher] We connected
Gina Green,
852
00:44:05,393 --> 00:44:08,273
Charlotte Murray Pace
and Pam Kinamore through DNA,
853
00:44:10,064 --> 00:44:11,984
now we got confirmation
we have a serial killer
854
00:44:12,024 --> 00:44:13,154
that killed these women.
855
00:44:13,568 --> 00:44:16,608
At that point,
on August the 4th of 2002
856
00:44:16,654 --> 00:44:20,324
the task force was formed
to investigate these homicides.
857
00:44:21,117 --> 00:44:23,327
[Pat] Let us pull together today
858
00:44:23,786 --> 00:44:26,326
to show a force of strength
859
00:44:26,372 --> 00:44:29,002
and send a message
to this offender:
860
00:44:29,041 --> 00:44:30,501
no more victims.
861
00:44:31,419 --> 00:44:33,709
[Jeff] Each agency would provide
862
00:44:33,754 --> 00:44:36,724
a certain number of
investigators to the task force
863
00:44:36,757 --> 00:44:38,677
to assist with covering leads.
864
00:44:39,093 --> 00:44:40,933
[Bryan] There must have been
30 or 40 people.
865
00:44:41,345 --> 00:44:42,885
It was big news, and every day,
866
00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:46,350
the media would want to know
the progress of the task force.
867
00:44:46,851 --> 00:44:48,351
They were really pounding ’em.
868
00:44:49,687 --> 00:44:52,107
[Jeff] We deployed profilers
to the area,
869
00:44:52,148 --> 00:44:55,068
so that they could
review other cases
870
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:57,529
and help with the investigation.
871
00:44:58,154 --> 00:44:59,454
[Natasha] A typical
serial killer
872
00:44:59,488 --> 00:45:02,068
that’s generated by the FBI
873
00:45:02,116 --> 00:45:06,446
is that white male
between the ages of 25, 35...
874
00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:09,075
That’s what they call
a typical serial killer.
875
00:45:12,043 --> 00:45:14,173
[suspenseful music]
876
00:45:15,963 --> 00:45:19,133
One of the tips that we thought
was very viable was
877
00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:23,637
there was a truck driver
traveling toward Lafayette
878
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:25,059
on the interstate.
879
00:45:25,097 --> 00:45:28,557
He remembered seeing a white man
in a white truck
880
00:45:28,601 --> 00:45:34,401
with a naked woman
on the Atchafalaya Basin.
881
00:45:35,650 --> 00:45:38,070
And it looked like
she was either passed out
882
00:45:38,110 --> 00:45:40,280
or something was wrong with her.
883
00:45:40,321 --> 00:45:41,701
[Woman Reporter] Now,
investigators say
884
00:45:41,739 --> 00:45:44,449
they still need your help
in finding a white truck
885
00:45:44,492 --> 00:45:46,452
they believe Pam Kinamore’s boy
was seen in
886
00:45:46,494 --> 00:45:49,544
shortly before it was dumped
there at the Whiskey Bay Bridge
887
00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:52,750
This is the type of white truck
investigators are looking for.
888
00:45:55,503 --> 00:45:58,173
[Prem] The task force released
the first profile,
889
00:45:58,214 --> 00:46:00,764
a white male,
driving a white truck.
890
00:46:01,217 --> 00:46:04,797
We’re not 100% certain that thi
is the person we’re looking for
891
00:46:04,845 --> 00:46:06,175
but we do wanna, uh...
892
00:46:06,222 --> 00:46:07,682
Talk to this individual and see
893
00:46:07,723 --> 00:46:10,143
why he was at that location
at that time.
894
00:46:10,643 --> 00:46:12,983
[Pat] So we all made a decision
to go ahead
895
00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:15,860
and put out the description
of the white truck,
896
00:46:15,898 --> 00:46:17,898
the male, and the female.
897
00:46:17,942 --> 00:46:20,992
And it absolutely went crazy.
898
00:46:21,028 --> 00:46:22,148
[phone ringing]
899
00:46:22,196 --> 00:46:23,776
Police department hotline?
900
00:46:23,823 --> 00:46:27,203
[Pat] Calls keep coming in,
hundreds by the day, saying,
901
00:46:27,243 --> 00:46:29,663
"I know somebody
that’s like this,
902
00:46:29,704 --> 00:46:32,334
he acts like this,
he’s weird..."
903
00:46:32,373 --> 00:46:35,383
Okay, what can you tell me
about the pickup he was in?
904
00:46:35,418 --> 00:46:39,128
I mean everybody in Baton Rouge
apparently knew
905
00:46:39,171 --> 00:46:41,091
who the serial killer was,
except me.
906
00:46:41,674 --> 00:46:44,474
And if you’ve ever been
in South Louisiana,
907
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:47,970
white is the color
of every pickup truck here.
908
00:46:48,764 --> 00:46:51,024
[Dana] Everyone in Louisiana
was looking for
909
00:46:51,058 --> 00:46:54,018
a white man in a white truck,
everyone in Baton Rouge.
910
00:46:54,061 --> 00:46:55,941
[music intensifies, fades out]
911
00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:58,360
I mean, I found myself...
I’d see a white truck
912
00:46:58,399 --> 00:47:01,239
and I’d see some creepy-looking
guy in the white truck,
913
00:47:01,277 --> 00:47:02,487
and I’d automatically think,
914
00:47:02,528 --> 00:47:05,108
"Oh my God, that could be
the serial killer."
915
00:47:05,865 --> 00:47:08,165
There were constant tips
about white men
916
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,240
that were driving white trucks.
917
00:47:10,286 --> 00:47:12,956
Guy pulled up in a white truck,
freaked me out!
918
00:47:13,289 --> 00:47:15,709
And they were constantly
getting search warrants
919
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:18,170
and taking swabs
from the individuals.
920
00:47:18,711 --> 00:47:21,261
They even had people
with white pickup trucks
921
00:47:21,297 --> 00:47:23,507
writing on their truck,
"It’s not me."
922
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:26,430
[Pat] I think everybody’s
worst fear...
923
00:47:26,469 --> 00:47:29,259
"How do you slow this down?
How do you stop it?"
924
00:47:29,305 --> 00:47:31,815
That’s a tremendous amount
of pressure.
925
00:47:32,808 --> 00:47:36,938
They swabbed
over 2,000 white men,
926
00:47:38,064 --> 00:47:39,864
but it was a dead end.
927
00:47:40,149 --> 00:47:41,859
There were no more leads.
928
00:47:45,905 --> 00:47:48,705
[introspective music]
929
00:47:58,334 --> 00:48:00,674
[Christopher] In November 2002,
930
00:48:00,711 --> 00:48:03,511
we became aware of a female
that came up missing,
931
00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:05,877
just west of
East Baton Rouge Parish.
932
00:48:06,592 --> 00:48:09,302
We find out that the victim,
Dene Colomb,
933
00:48:09,345 --> 00:48:11,055
went to visit
her mother’s gravesite
934
00:48:11,097 --> 00:48:12,557
in Grand Coteau, Louisiana.
935
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:16,059
Her vehicle was discovered
near her mother’s grave site.
936
00:48:17,061 --> 00:48:19,401
Her car keys were
still in the vehicle,
937
00:48:19,939 --> 00:48:21,569
as well as her purse.
938
00:48:25,986 --> 00:48:29,906
Her body was found days later
939
00:48:30,533 --> 00:48:32,663
by hunters in the woods.
940
00:48:33,077 --> 00:48:35,697
She had been beaten severely
941
00:48:35,746 --> 00:48:39,286
and at that point in time,
there was a thought, that,
942
00:48:39,333 --> 00:48:41,293
"Hey, we need to check her DNA,
943
00:48:41,335 --> 00:48:43,665
we need to see
if this is the same person
944
00:48:43,712 --> 00:48:45,712
that has been killing
other women."
945
00:48:48,592 --> 00:48:52,262
And when they obtained
the profile, it was.
946
00:48:53,389 --> 00:48:57,479
[Michael] DNA evidence obtained
in Trineisha Dene Colomb case
947
00:48:57,518 --> 00:48:58,808
has matched the DNA evidence
948
00:48:58,853 --> 00:49:01,363
in the Baton Rouge
serial murder cases.
949
00:49:01,397 --> 00:49:02,807
In just over a year,
950
00:49:02,857 --> 00:49:04,727
four women have been murdered
in Louisiana,
951
00:49:04,775 --> 00:49:07,275
their deaths linked
by DNA evidence.
952
00:49:07,736 --> 00:49:09,106
[Dana] It had always
been a theory
953
00:49:09,155 --> 00:49:11,495
that a serial killer
kills within his same race,
954
00:49:11,532 --> 00:49:14,952
but Dene Colomb was
a black female.
955
00:49:15,536 --> 00:49:19,366
So this changed the way
law enforcement looked at it.
956
00:49:19,415 --> 00:49:21,045
At that point in time, it was,
957
00:49:21,083 --> 00:49:25,093
"Okay, are we dealing with
a white man in a white truck?
958
00:49:25,129 --> 00:49:27,919
Or is there something else
here?"
959
00:49:27,965 --> 00:49:29,795
[dramatic music stops]
960
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:32,300
[mysterious music]
961
00:49:36,765 --> 00:49:41,845
On March 3, of 2003,
Carrie Lynn Yoder,
962
00:49:41,896 --> 00:49:46,016
who was obtaining
her doctorate degree at LSU,
963
00:49:46,066 --> 00:49:49,816
disappeared from her residence,
which was very close to campus.
964
00:49:50,404 --> 00:49:52,494
She had been bringing in
groceries.
965
00:49:53,073 --> 00:49:55,623
And she disappeared.
966
00:49:56,744 --> 00:49:59,334
There was no sign of her.
967
00:50:02,041 --> 00:50:05,041
[Pat] Several days later,
a fisherman found her body
968
00:50:05,085 --> 00:50:06,585
in Whiskey Bay,
969
00:50:07,463 --> 00:50:11,883
probably about 100 yards from
where Pam Kinamore was located.
970
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,720
[Christopher] So, we’s pretty
confident, the task force,
971
00:50:14,762 --> 00:50:17,062
that the same person
that killed Carrie Yoder
972
00:50:17,097 --> 00:50:18,677
killed Pam Kinamore.
973
00:50:19,725 --> 00:50:23,265
[Dana] DNA was recovered
from Carrie Yoder’s body
974
00:50:23,479 --> 00:50:25,769
and was submitted for testing.
975
00:50:26,273 --> 00:50:29,073
Law enforcement found, again,
976
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:32,319
that the same person
murdered Carrie Yoder
977
00:50:32,363 --> 00:50:35,743
that murdered Dene Colomb,
that murdered Pam Kinamore,
978
00:50:35,783 --> 00:50:39,043
that murdered Murray Pace,
and that murdered Gina Green.
979
00:50:39,078 --> 00:50:43,038
That put the body count
of connected murders at five.
980
00:50:43,958 --> 00:50:47,418
There was a lot of chaos
caused by the fact
981
00:50:47,461 --> 00:50:49,461
that these murders
had all been connected
982
00:50:49,505 --> 00:50:52,095
and that the killer
was still unknown.
983
00:50:52,132 --> 00:50:54,472
Remain calm, I know there is
a lot of fear in this city,
984
00:50:54,510 --> 00:50:55,840
and I-and I feel it.
985
00:50:55,886 --> 00:50:57,886
It’s a tremendous
amount of pressure
986
00:50:57,930 --> 00:51:00,770
on any officer that works
one of these cases
987
00:51:00,808 --> 00:51:02,728
and can’t find an answer to it.
988
00:51:03,227 --> 00:51:07,267
I’ve exhausted everything I can,
and to talk to these families...
989
00:51:07,314 --> 00:51:08,864
It takes a toll on you.
990
00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:11,439
You could see that
they were working very hard
991
00:51:11,485 --> 00:51:13,815
to try to solve theses murders.
992
00:51:14,655 --> 00:51:18,035
We all felt like
we were holding our breath.
993
00:51:18,075 --> 00:51:20,445
[dramatic music stops]
994
00:51:21,161 --> 00:51:22,541
[introspective music]
995
00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:24,040
[Woman Reporter 1] Terror
continues in Louisiana.
996
00:51:24,081 --> 00:51:25,791
police in Baton Rouge are
desperately searching...
997
00:51:25,833 --> 00:51:27,253
[Woman Reporter 2] Dozens
of law enforcement agencies
998
00:51:27,293 --> 00:51:30,093
are involved in the serial
killer investigation...
999
00:51:32,256 --> 00:51:34,416
[Christopher] The stress
is very high in Baton Rouge.
1000
00:51:35,134 --> 00:51:36,934
It was stressful
not only in the public,
1001
00:51:36,969 --> 00:51:39,759
but also stressful at home,
with your family,
1002
00:51:39,805 --> 00:51:42,925
because they wanna know also
who killed these women.
1003
00:51:45,311 --> 00:51:46,811
As a task force,
1004
00:51:46,854 --> 00:51:48,314
you cannot give details
about your investigation,
1005
00:51:48,355 --> 00:51:50,315
because you gotta keep
the evidence
1006
00:51:50,357 --> 00:51:51,817
as close to vest as possible,
1007
00:51:51,859 --> 00:51:54,819
to make sure the killer
doesn’t know what you know.
1008
00:51:56,196 --> 00:51:59,696
[Ann] It was very frustrating
not to be better informed
1009
00:51:59,742 --> 00:52:03,252
by the law enforcement official
dealing with the case.
1010
00:52:03,912 --> 00:52:07,542
But I also understand we were
not their first priority,
1011
00:52:07,583 --> 00:52:10,293
the case itself
was the first priority.
1012
00:52:10,336 --> 00:52:14,756
[introspective music stops]
1013
00:52:15,007 --> 00:52:17,627
[dramatic music]
1014
00:52:19,887 --> 00:52:22,177
[Jeff] One of our state
crime labs told us
1015
00:52:22,222 --> 00:52:25,642
about a company in Florida,
called DNAPrint Genomics.
1016
00:52:26,435 --> 00:52:28,735
[Dana] This lab out of Florida
actually contacted
1017
00:52:28,771 --> 00:52:30,691
the state police crime lab,
and said,
1018
00:52:30,731 --> 00:52:31,981
"We’d like to give you
1019
00:52:32,024 --> 00:52:33,984
the benefit of this new testing
that we have.
1020
00:52:34,026 --> 00:52:36,986
We think that we can
help identify this person,
1021
00:52:37,363 --> 00:52:38,913
or at least give you
1022
00:52:38,947 --> 00:52:41,487
basic information
about his race."
1023
00:52:42,826 --> 00:52:44,326
[Jeff] It was untested,
1024
00:52:44,370 --> 00:52:46,330
and we didn’t wanna
just take their word for it,
1025
00:52:46,372 --> 00:52:50,792
so we took samples from various
task force officers,
1026
00:52:50,834 --> 00:52:52,544
about 10 to 20 of ’em,
1027
00:52:52,586 --> 00:52:54,336
and we sent those to the compan
1028
00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:57,090
and had them perform their test
on those samples.
1029
00:52:57,132 --> 00:52:59,722
We took the samples
from various individuals,
1030
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,430
of various backgrounds,
1031
00:53:02,096 --> 00:53:05,596
White, black, uh...
Native American, Asian...
1032
00:53:05,641 --> 00:53:08,191
And we sent that information
and those samples
1033
00:53:08,227 --> 00:53:09,017
to the company.
1034
00:53:10,437 --> 00:53:12,607
They conducted their analysis
of those samples,
1035
00:53:12,648 --> 00:53:14,068
they sent us
the information back,
1036
00:53:14,108 --> 00:53:16,858
and they had identified
correctly the race
1037
00:53:16,902 --> 00:53:19,862
of every single blind sample
that we sent them.
1038
00:53:21,448 --> 00:53:24,238
[Christopher] We got the DNA
from all the crime scenes
1039
00:53:24,284 --> 00:53:26,084
that point to one individual,
1040
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,250
But still, we do not have
his identity,
1041
00:53:28,288 --> 00:53:29,788
his name or his picture.
1042
00:53:30,791 --> 00:53:31,961
So, the DNA that connected the
suspect to the five crime scenes
1043
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,790
to the five crime scenes
was sent to Florida.
1044
00:53:35,546 --> 00:53:40,626
The results was 85% African
and 15% Native American,
1045
00:53:40,676 --> 00:53:43,466
which meant that our suspect
is an African American.
1046
00:53:43,929 --> 00:53:46,139
This is a big frickin’ deal,
we’ve changed
1047
00:53:46,181 --> 00:53:49,021
the whole complexion
and direction of our case.
1048
00:53:49,643 --> 00:53:52,523
Because now, we’re looking at
an African American as a suspect
1049
00:53:52,563 --> 00:53:53,943
and not a white male.
1050
00:54:09,705 --> 00:54:10,835
[Prem] I kept thinking,
1051
00:54:10,873 --> 00:54:14,003
"Oh my gosh,
have we been wrong?"
1052
00:54:14,042 --> 00:54:17,302
You know, we’d been going down
rabbit holes this whole time.
1053
00:54:17,337 --> 00:54:18,797
New information tonight,
1054
00:54:18,839 --> 00:54:20,629
in the case of
the Baton Rouge serial killer
1055
00:54:20,674 --> 00:54:23,644
that could change
the focus of the investigation.
1056
00:54:24,678 --> 00:54:27,468
[Dana] This was not a white man
in a white truck.
1057
00:54:27,514 --> 00:54:29,644
They needed to broaden
their search completely.
1058
00:54:29,683 --> 00:54:34,193
This person could possibly be
a dark-complected white male,
1059
00:54:34,229 --> 00:54:37,769
a man of mixed heritage,
or a black male.
1060
00:54:37,816 --> 00:54:39,776
[Jeff] Once we received
that information,
1061
00:54:39,818 --> 00:54:42,398
we reviewed all the previous
tips we had received
1062
00:54:42,446 --> 00:54:44,446
regarding African Americans,
1063
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:47,330
and we reopened
all of those tips.
1064
00:54:47,826 --> 00:54:50,576
[Pat] When I was sitting in
the task force office one day,
1065
00:54:50,621 --> 00:54:54,671
I got a call from somebody
in the town of Breaux Bridge
1066
00:54:54,708 --> 00:54:58,418
that said that they had a crime
that we might ought to look at.
1067
00:54:58,837 --> 00:55:00,297
[introspective music stops]
1068
00:55:01,089 --> 00:55:03,259
[suspenseful music]
1069
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:11,100
Three days before
Pam Kinamore was murdered,
1070
00:55:11,141 --> 00:55:12,601
there was an attack
1071
00:55:12,643 --> 00:55:15,853
about 45 minutes
from Baton Rouge.
1072
00:55:15,896 --> 00:55:18,606
Dianne Alexander was a nurse.
1073
00:55:18,649 --> 00:55:22,319
She was in living in a trailer
in Breaux Bridge, Louisiana.
1074
00:55:23,070 --> 00:55:24,360
[Prem] We’re looking
for a killer,
1075
00:55:24,404 --> 00:55:25,704
we just don’t know who it is.
1076
00:55:25,739 --> 00:55:29,159
But in so many of the cases
I’ve tried,
1077
00:55:29,201 --> 00:55:34,251
I feel that, sometimes,
God’s hand intervenes.
1078
00:55:35,082 --> 00:55:36,372
[Pastor] Father,
may this story come out
1079
00:55:36,416 --> 00:55:37,996
the way it needs to be told.
1080
00:55:38,043 --> 00:55:41,303
May it be filled with words that
will help someone else to heal,
1081
00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:42,588
but at the same time,
1082
00:55:42,631 --> 00:55:44,841
give someone else courage
to tell their own story.
1083
00:55:45,509 --> 00:55:47,429
And we say thank you
that you’re here with us.
1084
00:55:47,469 --> 00:55:48,679
-[Diane] Oh...
- [Pastor] In Jesus’ name.
1085
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:49,970
-[Dianne] In Jesus’ name.
-[Pastor] Amen.
1086
00:55:50,013 --> 00:55:51,853
Thank you. Amen.
1087
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:55,139
My name is Dianne Alexander,
1088
00:55:55,185 --> 00:55:57,515
and I am a survivor.
1089
00:56:01,608 --> 00:56:05,898
I was home alone,
ironing my nursing uniform
1090
00:56:05,946 --> 00:56:10,446
and making dinner for
my husband and my son, Herman.
1091
00:56:11,243 --> 00:56:13,123
[record crackling]
1092
00:56:13,161 --> 00:56:14,791
[gospel music playing]
1093
00:56:14,830 --> 00:56:19,130
I felt a eerie, uneasy feeling,
like something wasn’t right.
1094
00:56:19,585 --> 00:56:21,755
I put on some gospel music.
1095
00:56:23,714 --> 00:56:26,724
[gospel music]
♪ Will be revealed ♪
1096
00:56:27,634 --> 00:56:29,894
There was a knock on the door.
1097
00:56:29,928 --> 00:56:31,598
I wasn’t expecting anyone,
1098
00:56:31,638 --> 00:56:34,888
but I lived in the area
for 12 years,
1099
00:56:34,933 --> 00:56:37,983
so it wasn’t unusual
1100
00:56:38,020 --> 00:56:39,230
just to open the door
1101
00:56:39,271 --> 00:56:41,311
and see who was
on the opposite side.
1102
00:56:41,356 --> 00:56:42,766
[door cracks open]
1103
00:56:42,816 --> 00:56:44,436
So I opened the door,
1104
00:56:44,484 --> 00:56:49,614
and there was this young man,
about mid 30’s,
1105
00:56:49,656 --> 00:56:53,236
well-dressed,
he had a polo shirt on.
1106
00:56:53,619 --> 00:56:55,579
I said, "May I help you?"
1107
00:56:55,621 --> 00:56:58,501
And he said,
"Hi, my name is Anthony.
1108
00:56:58,540 --> 00:57:02,920
I’m supposed to do construction
for the Montgomerys.
1109
00:57:03,629 --> 00:57:05,839
Do you know where they live?"
1110
00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:11,090
And I said, "No, I have no idea
who these people are."
1111
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:16,470
So, he asked for the phone,
which was a handset at the time
1112
00:57:16,516 --> 00:57:18,846
[gospel music still playing]
1113
00:57:18,894 --> 00:57:20,654
So I brought it to him.
1114
00:57:20,687 --> 00:57:25,067
I didn’t close the door because
I didn’t wanna appear rude.
1115
00:57:25,108 --> 00:57:27,608
And he asked
for the phone directory.
1116
00:57:28,153 --> 00:57:30,283
I gave that to him as well.
1117
00:57:32,324 --> 00:57:34,084
He asked again,
1118
00:57:34,117 --> 00:57:36,997
"Are you sure you don’t know
who these people are?",
1119
00:57:37,037 --> 00:57:38,997
And by then, I was frustrated.
1120
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:40,289
And I said, "Look..."
1121
00:57:40,332 --> 00:57:43,082
[sounds get more intense]
1122
00:57:43,126 --> 00:57:46,246
And that’s when he rushed in.
1123
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,210
He overpowered me.
1124
00:57:48,256 --> 00:57:51,716
He caught me by the throat,
put me against the door.
1125
00:57:52,302 --> 00:57:54,012
[sharp, tense effect]
1126
00:57:54,054 --> 00:57:56,644
He whispered in my left ear,
1127
00:57:57,307 --> 00:57:59,597
"I’ve been watching you."
1128
00:58:00,644 --> 00:58:02,024
[gospel music]
♪ Hear me, Jesus ♪
1129
00:58:02,062 --> 00:58:05,772
He removed his hand,
laid me on the floor...
1130
00:58:07,526 --> 00:58:10,026
If I tried to fight him,
1131
00:58:10,570 --> 00:58:14,120
I knew,
without a shadow of a doubt,
1132
00:58:14,157 --> 00:58:15,737
this man would kill me.
1133
00:58:16,702 --> 00:58:21,332
He found a telephone cord,
he cut the phone cord,
1134
00:58:21,373 --> 00:58:24,963
and he tried
to strangle me with it.
1135
00:58:26,169 --> 00:58:29,089
But I ended up
putting my fingers
1136
00:58:29,131 --> 00:58:31,171
between my neck and the cord,
1137
00:58:31,216 --> 00:58:34,796
I was like this, holding it.
1138
00:58:35,387 --> 00:58:37,637
And he didn’t succeed.
1139
00:58:38,724 --> 00:58:42,354
It was summertime.
He was sweating profusely.
1140
00:58:43,186 --> 00:58:48,066
He was sweating so hard
that it was dripping like water.
1141
00:58:48,108 --> 00:58:53,448
Little did he know my eyes were
almost like a camera.
1142
00:58:53,488 --> 00:58:55,568
Taking a mugshot.
1143
00:58:56,241 --> 00:58:57,871
When he turned forward,
1144
00:58:57,909 --> 00:58:58,739
[loud bang]
1145
00:58:58,785 --> 00:59:00,445
it was like snapping a photo.
1146
00:59:01,163 --> 00:59:05,833
Throughout the whole ordeal,
fear didn’t overtake me.
1147
00:59:05,876 --> 00:59:08,836
I did think that
I was going to die.
1148
00:59:09,379 --> 00:59:13,089
But then again, I...
I was at peace.
1149
00:59:13,133 --> 00:59:14,593
[gospel music still playing]
1150
00:59:14,634 --> 00:59:17,224
♪ We are walking
(To the same place) ♪
1151
00:59:17,262 --> 00:59:19,392
♪ To the same place ♪
1152
00:59:19,431 --> 00:59:23,101
He hit me with a blunt object,
in my forehead.
1153
00:59:23,852 --> 00:59:27,312
I didn’t feel the pain,
I only felt the pressure.
1154
00:59:27,355 --> 00:59:29,975
But I have no idea
what he hit me with.
1155
00:59:30,442 --> 00:59:35,662
And my head involuntarily
just went to the left.
1156
00:59:36,073 --> 00:59:38,663
[record crackling]
1157
00:59:41,828 --> 00:59:44,618
And that’s when
Herman showed up.
1158
00:59:45,165 --> 00:59:46,545
[introspective music]
1159
00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:48,083
[Herman] When I was driving up
to the home,
1160
00:59:48,126 --> 00:59:50,416
I notice something very unusual.
1161
00:59:50,462 --> 00:59:52,632
My mom’s car was parked home,
1162
00:59:52,672 --> 00:59:55,932
and also, another car was parked
in the driveway.
1163
00:59:57,636 --> 01:00:00,716
The car was
a gold Mitsubishi Mirage.
1164
01:00:01,848 --> 01:00:03,678
[Dianne] When the young man
realized
1165
01:00:03,725 --> 01:00:05,015
that someone showed up,
1166
01:00:05,060 --> 01:00:08,650
He stomped me in the center
of my abdomen,
1167
01:00:08,688 --> 01:00:11,568
and I curled up
in a fetal position.
1168
01:00:13,068 --> 01:00:14,568
[Herman] Once I got
in the house,
1169
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:17,951
I heard a voice saying,
"Get a knife."
1170
01:00:18,949 --> 01:00:21,699
When Herman entered
through the front door, I said,
1171
01:00:21,743 --> 01:00:23,753
"Herman, get a knife,
get a knife!"
1172
01:00:23,787 --> 01:00:27,747
Then as I looked over
to the left, toward the voice,
1173
01:00:27,791 --> 01:00:29,921
I see daylight down the hallway,
1174
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,750
as if someone had fleed
out the backdoor.
1175
01:00:34,881 --> 01:00:37,681
I quickly ran back
to the front door,
1176
01:00:37,717 --> 01:00:40,467
and I seen the car
speeding away.
1177
01:00:43,223 --> 01:00:47,603
So, I got back in the car,
headed west on Highway 31,
1178
01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:50,774
trying to find the car
that was parked in the driveway.
1179
01:00:51,314 --> 01:00:52,864
I was unsuccessful.
1180
01:00:54,526 --> 01:00:57,316
Through the time of trying
to search for the car,
1181
01:00:57,821 --> 01:00:59,661
I thought about Mom.
[voice cracks]
1182
01:01:06,538 --> 01:01:10,418
Eventually, it’s like a force
just picked me up.
1183
01:01:11,042 --> 01:01:14,302
because I knew I had a phone
in my bedroom,
1184
01:01:15,005 --> 01:01:17,475
but the gentleman
that tried to kill me
1185
01:01:17,507 --> 01:01:20,507
didn’t know
that I had a second phone.
1186
01:01:20,552 --> 01:01:22,512
Then I called 911,
1187
01:01:23,013 --> 01:01:25,523
I was in and out
of consciousness.
1188
01:01:26,516 --> 01:01:29,686
[gospel music fades out]
1189
01:01:31,438 --> 01:01:33,898
[tense music]
1190
01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:36,651
She was in the emergency room
1191
01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:39,533
being taken care of
by the doctors.
1192
01:01:39,571 --> 01:01:44,121
She was in, what I would
consider, grave condition.
1193
01:01:45,535 --> 01:01:48,745
She described the individual
as a black male,
1194
01:01:48,788 --> 01:01:53,328
kind of muscular build,
had a short haircut.
1195
01:01:53,376 --> 01:01:56,546
You know, 25 to 35 years old.
1196
01:01:57,047 --> 01:02:00,217
Approximately 5’9", 5’10"
in height.
1197
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,050
She was lucky to be alive.
1198
01:02:03,094 --> 01:02:05,604
[dramatic music stops]
1199
01:02:06,097 --> 01:02:09,557
I mean, it triggers
a lot of emotions.
1200
01:02:11,311 --> 01:02:12,771
It breaks your heart,
1201
01:02:13,647 --> 01:02:18,067
a lot of rage that you don’t
know where to take it out on.
1202
01:02:19,152 --> 01:02:23,612
Majority of emotions
wasn’t good emotions.
1203
01:02:24,491 --> 01:02:25,911
But you still want
to be positive
1204
01:02:25,951 --> 01:02:27,371
through a situation like this
1205
01:02:27,410 --> 01:02:30,080
because, at the end of the day,
I still have my mom.
1206
01:02:32,916 --> 01:02:36,746
Had Herman not shown up,
I wouldn’t be here today.
1207
01:02:38,338 --> 01:02:41,628
[dramatic music]
1208
01:02:42,634 --> 01:02:45,094
[Jeff] We talked to
Ms. Alexander at length,
1209
01:02:45,136 --> 01:02:47,966
and the profilers
interviewed her as well,
1210
01:02:48,014 --> 01:02:49,974
and came to the determination
1211
01:02:50,016 --> 01:02:52,806
that it was a very good chance
that our unknown offender
1212
01:02:52,852 --> 01:02:55,562
was the person
who assaulted Ms. Alexander.
1213
01:02:57,274 --> 01:03:00,784
We asked her, "Did you get
a really good look at him?"
1214
01:03:01,528 --> 01:03:05,068
and she said, "Yeah, I-I had
a really good look at him.
1215
01:03:06,074 --> 01:03:07,744
While I was
at the police station,
1216
01:03:07,784 --> 01:03:11,754
we did a composite
of my attacker.
1217
01:03:11,788 --> 01:03:16,498
Maybe that’s why I was taking
mugshots with my eyes,
1218
01:03:16,543 --> 01:03:19,713
to remember exactly
what he looked like.
1219
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,880
[introspective music]
1220
01:03:22,924 --> 01:03:25,184
[Arthur] Mrs. Alexander had
described her attacker
1221
01:03:25,218 --> 01:03:29,218
as sweating profusely and
attempting to strangle her.
1222
01:03:29,264 --> 01:03:32,564
Based upon her testimony,
it was my belief that
1223
01:03:33,059 --> 01:03:35,939
there would’ve been a higher
concentration of contact DNA
1224
01:03:35,979 --> 01:03:39,979
around the collar area
of Mrs. Alexander’s dress.
1225
01:03:42,068 --> 01:03:43,898
[tense music]
1226
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:53,829
They tested the DNA
that her attacker left behind.
1227
01:03:53,872 --> 01:03:56,922
They found it to be enough
to prove
1228
01:03:56,958 --> 01:03:59,918
that it was the same person
that had killed
1229
01:03:59,961 --> 01:04:03,131
all five of the women
that were murdered.
1230
01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:06,431
[Natasha] This was monumental
in this case,
1231
01:04:06,468 --> 01:04:10,428
because Dianne Alexander was
the first victim that lived.
1232
01:04:10,472 --> 01:04:13,522
And the DNA that they were
able to retrieve in her case
1233
01:04:13,558 --> 01:04:15,228
that was linked
to the serial killer
1234
01:04:15,268 --> 01:04:17,808
is the first eyewitness
that we had that could tell us
1235
01:04:17,854 --> 01:04:19,944
what the serial killer
actually looked like.
1236
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,690
She is a true living witness
who can say, "Yeah, it’s him.
1237
01:04:24,277 --> 01:04:27,197
[Dana] Also, they were able
to analyze
1238
01:04:27,238 --> 01:04:31,828
the phone cord that was still
at Dianne’s Alexander’s house.
1239
01:04:32,243 --> 01:04:35,663
And they were able
to match it up to the cord
1240
01:04:35,705 --> 01:04:40,665
that was found at the dump site
of Pam Kinamore.
1241
01:04:41,711 --> 01:04:43,341
[Arthur] That shifted
the investigation
1242
01:04:43,380 --> 01:04:44,710
to include our case
1243
01:04:44,756 --> 01:04:47,876
to the South Louisiana
Serial Killer Task Force,
1244
01:04:47,926 --> 01:04:51,716
and a decision was made
to make a news release.
1245
01:04:51,763 --> 01:04:53,853
We had a jigsaw puzzle
1246
01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:56,390
but didn’t know
what the picture looked like.
1247
01:04:56,643 --> 01:04:57,733
Until this weekend.
1248
01:04:59,229 --> 01:05:01,309
[Christopher] A composite
drawing was given to the public
1249
01:05:01,356 --> 01:05:03,606
that was created from the memory
of Ms. Alexander
1250
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:04,730
the time she was attacked.
1251
01:05:06,403 --> 01:05:08,703
[David] The sketch we saw with
the description that, uh...
1252
01:05:08,738 --> 01:05:10,778
that Dianne Alexander gave
and everything else,
1253
01:05:11,366 --> 01:05:13,406
When I saw the sketch,
I knew who it was.
1254
01:05:13,952 --> 01:05:15,912
It was Derrick Todd Lee.
1255
01:05:24,712 --> 01:05:25,922
[Natha
1256
01:05:25,964 --> 01:05:28,674
she was able to give them
a basic description
1257
01:05:28,716 --> 01:05:30,336
of the person that attacked her.
1258
01:05:30,885 --> 01:05:33,345
Dianne Alexander had been
beaten badly,
1259
01:05:33,388 --> 01:05:36,638
and she had bled over
a large portion of the clothing
1260
01:05:36,683 --> 01:05:37,893
that she was wearing.
1261
01:05:37,934 --> 01:05:39,854
And it was his sweat
that was found
1262
01:05:39,894 --> 01:05:42,814
in a void portion
of her clothing.
1263
01:05:42,856 --> 01:05:45,436
And that was what they were abl
to get his DNA from.
1264
01:05:46,901 --> 01:05:49,321
[introspective music]
1265
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:56,370
[Christopher] Derrick Todd Lee
lived in St. Francisville,
1266
01:05:56,411 --> 01:06:00,371
He worked laying concrete,
he also worked at local plants,
1267
01:06:00,415 --> 01:06:01,675
he did labor work.
1268
01:06:01,708 --> 01:06:03,878
So he’s used to working
with his hands.
1269
01:06:03,918 --> 01:06:06,088
He’s a very strong male.
1270
01:06:06,921 --> 01:06:09,301
[Pat] He had a fairly
significant arrest record.
1271
01:06:09,340 --> 01:06:13,390
Mostly peeping tom,
trespassing, those type crimes.
1272
01:06:13,428 --> 01:06:17,218
But the never collected
the DNA of Derrick Todd Lee.
1273
01:06:18,558 --> 01:06:21,228
[dramatic music]
1274
01:06:24,481 --> 01:06:28,231
[David] On the Randi Mebruer
case, back in 1998
1275
01:06:28,276 --> 01:06:32,316
Derrick Todd Lee, he was
my number one suspect.
1276
01:06:33,114 --> 01:06:34,374
I’ll never forget the night
1277
01:06:34,407 --> 01:06:35,947
we went to
Derrick Todd Lee’s house,
1278
01:06:35,992 --> 01:06:37,412
searching his closet,
1279
01:06:37,452 --> 01:06:39,702
and that the hair
on the back of my neck stood up
1280
01:06:39,746 --> 01:06:40,956
[tense music builds up]
1281
01:06:41,664 --> 01:06:42,964
You know, we’d been
working the case,
1282
01:06:42,999 --> 01:06:45,749
interviewing individuals,
talking to many people.
1283
01:06:45,793 --> 01:06:48,053
We began looking
at different cement slabs
1284
01:06:48,087 --> 01:06:49,957
that had been
newly poured by him.
1285
01:06:50,006 --> 01:06:53,006
We searched a swamp area
in the St. Francisville area
1286
01:06:53,051 --> 01:06:55,261
down the road
from where he lived,
1287
01:06:55,303 --> 01:06:56,723
to no avail.
1288
01:06:56,763 --> 01:06:58,433
We just couldn’t come up
with a whole lot of evidence
1289
01:06:58,473 --> 01:06:59,773
at the time.
1290
01:06:59,807 --> 01:07:01,227
No physical evidence
at the scene,
1291
01:07:01,267 --> 01:07:05,097
not really understanding DNA
back then, in 1998.
1292
01:07:05,146 --> 01:07:07,146
[tense music builds up]
1293
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:14,659
This case started off
basically as a homicide in 1998,
1294
01:07:14,697 --> 01:07:17,777
abduction case
from Zachary, Louisiana.
1295
01:07:17,825 --> 01:07:19,365
It kind of stayed
in the back of my mind,
1296
01:07:19,410 --> 01:07:21,750
because it was still
an open case.
1297
01:07:21,788 --> 01:07:24,538
Randi Mebruer’s body
was never located.
1298
01:07:25,291 --> 01:07:28,791
When the murders in Baton Rouge
started increasing in frequency
1299
01:07:28,836 --> 01:07:31,256
I started
looking into this again.
1300
01:07:32,715 --> 01:07:33,965
When I start digging
1301
01:07:34,008 --> 01:07:35,798
into Derrick Todd Lee’s
work history,
1302
01:07:35,843 --> 01:07:38,223
I find out he’s doing
construction work
1303
01:07:38,263 --> 01:07:40,773
around the gates and lakes
at LSU,
1304
01:07:40,807 --> 01:07:42,807
and that he’s been
hauling trucks,
1305
01:07:42,850 --> 01:07:45,350
crossing Whiskey Bay
three times a week,
1306
01:07:45,395 --> 01:07:47,525
where these bodies
are turning up.
1307
01:07:48,606 --> 01:07:49,816
I dig a little bit further,
1308
01:07:49,857 --> 01:07:51,727
and I find out he’s worked
for J.E. Merrit,
1309
01:07:52,402 --> 01:07:55,912
where Connie Warner’s body
turned up, in late ’92.
1310
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,830
It’s starting to look more and
more than just a coincidence.
1311
01:08:03,371 --> 01:08:05,461
I did a criminal history search
on Lee
1312
01:08:05,498 --> 01:08:09,168
and found out
that he was in jail
1313
01:08:09,210 --> 01:08:10,840
when these murders stopped.
1314
01:08:10,878 --> 01:08:14,418
And he was outta jail when
these murders were happening.
1315
01:08:14,465 --> 01:08:17,585
But we still don’t have
Derrick Todd Lee’s DNA.
1316
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:21,759
[tense music]
1317
01:08:22,473 --> 01:08:25,273
[Dianne] When I looked
at the six photos,
1318
01:08:25,310 --> 01:08:28,730
I looked at each face,
each nose,
1319
01:08:28,771 --> 01:08:31,821
from the hair
to the facial features,
1320
01:08:31,858 --> 01:08:33,648
the shape of the face,
1321
01:08:33,693 --> 01:08:35,613
until I got to Derrick Todd Lee.
1322
01:08:37,071 --> 01:08:40,621
And I knew, without a shadow
of a doubt,
1323
01:08:41,409 --> 01:08:43,039
he was the one.
1324
01:08:46,623 --> 01:08:49,253
[dramatic music]
1325
01:08:50,418 --> 01:08:53,208
[Joel] We get the subpoena,
and we go to look for Lee.
1326
01:08:53,254 --> 01:08:57,474
When we first got there,
Lee was belligerent,
1327
01:08:57,508 --> 01:09:00,298
he was hollering and screaming
a bunch of expletives,
1328
01:09:00,345 --> 01:09:03,015
and most of them were directed
at McDavid.
1329
01:09:03,056 --> 01:09:04,426
It was kind of a strange deal,
1330
01:09:04,474 --> 01:09:07,694
because he wouldn’t do
the DNA swab
1331
01:09:07,727 --> 01:09:09,477
if McDavid was present.
1332
01:09:09,729 --> 01:09:11,519
As he saw me, he asked that
1333
01:09:11,564 --> 01:09:14,114
he didn’t want nobody
from Zachary P. D. there,
1334
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:15,570
so I left the area.
1335
01:09:15,610 --> 01:09:18,070
They walked inside his house,
they swabbed him,
1336
01:09:18,112 --> 01:09:19,362
the swab was turned over
1337
01:09:19,405 --> 01:09:22,115
to the Louisiana State Police
Crime Lab.
1338
01:09:23,618 --> 01:09:25,948
[tense music]
1339
01:09:29,499 --> 01:09:32,589
Once we took
Derrick Todd Lee’s DNA,
1340
01:09:32,627 --> 01:09:36,207
I asked the lab technician
to look at our evidence
1341
01:09:36,255 --> 01:09:38,255
that we had submitted
on Randi Mebruer.
1342
01:09:39,217 --> 01:09:40,467
[Natasha] With
the Randi Mebruer case,
1343
01:09:40,510 --> 01:09:43,260
the pink bag was never tested
in serology,
1344
01:09:43,304 --> 01:09:45,564
it was actually tested
for fingerprints.
1345
01:09:45,598 --> 01:09:48,138
they were certain that the bag
had been used to, possibly,
1346
01:09:48,184 --> 01:09:49,944
line whatever was used
1347
01:09:49,977 --> 01:09:52,517
to transport the body away
from the crime scene,
1348
01:09:52,563 --> 01:09:55,443
because Randi Mebruer’s body
has never been found.
1349
01:09:56,192 --> 01:09:59,452
We processed those garbage bag,
and when we were looking
1350
01:09:59,487 --> 01:10:02,407
at the possible bloodstains
that were on the garbage bags,
1351
01:10:02,448 --> 01:10:04,158
one of the things
that we also did was
1352
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,490
we looked at them underneath
an alternate light source.
1353
01:10:06,536 --> 01:10:08,536
If you’ve watched
any of the forensic shows,
1354
01:10:08,579 --> 01:10:09,909
you’ve seen
the little blue light
1355
01:10:09,956 --> 01:10:12,416
that makes
certain body fluids glow.
1356
01:10:12,458 --> 01:10:15,748
And what we noticed was there
was actually a little stain
1357
01:10:15,795 --> 01:10:19,425
in the edge of one of
those bloodstains that glowed.
1358
01:10:19,465 --> 01:10:21,295
And that was when we realized
1359
01:10:21,342 --> 01:10:24,392
we actually had a semen stain
in the edge of a bloodstain.
1360
01:10:25,388 --> 01:10:27,968
We had no idea
that a case that old
1361
01:10:28,015 --> 01:10:30,015
was gonna be linked
to the serial killer.
1362
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:33,980
[dramatic music]
1363
01:10:34,021 --> 01:10:36,981
[Pat] In May of 2003,
1364
01:10:37,024 --> 01:10:39,034
we get a call
in the middle of the night.
1365
01:10:39,402 --> 01:10:42,282
Unbeknownst to us, we got a hit.
1366
01:10:42,989 --> 01:10:44,659
It’s Derrick Todd Lee.
1367
01:10:46,993 --> 01:10:52,543
A suspect has been identified i
the homicides of Gina Green,
1368
01:10:52,582 --> 01:10:56,172
Charlotte Murray Pace,
Pam Kinamore,
1369
01:10:56,210 --> 01:10:58,920
Dene Colomb and
Carrie Lynn Yoder.
1370
01:10:58,963 --> 01:11:00,343
I’ll never forget it,
it was a Sunday.
1371
01:11:00,381 --> 01:11:02,801
I had got through
cutting grass at my house,
1372
01:11:02,842 --> 01:11:05,182
and I received a call from
the task force, and said,
1373
01:11:05,219 --> 01:11:07,719
"Hey, look, just want to
let you all know, right now...
1374
01:11:07,764 --> 01:11:09,314
Your DNA has connected,
1375
01:11:09,348 --> 01:11:11,308
the individual
is Derrick Todd Lee."
1376
01:11:12,268 --> 01:11:14,138
[Pat] We put together
a SWAT team
1377
01:11:14,187 --> 01:11:17,647
comprising of FBI agents
and BRPD
1378
01:11:17,690 --> 01:11:21,860
and we hit the home of Derrick
Todd Lee in West Feliciana.
1379
01:11:21,903 --> 01:11:23,323
He was not there.
1380
01:11:23,362 --> 01:11:26,662
We secured the scene,
the house was searched,
1381
01:11:26,699 --> 01:11:29,329
there was no evidence
that he was there.
1382
01:11:29,744 --> 01:11:32,294
So now, we knew
we were on a manhunt.
1383
01:11:41,422 --> 01:11:43,472
for Derrick Todd Lee
1384
01:11:43,508 --> 01:11:45,468
has been issued
in East Baton Rouge Parish
1385
01:11:45,927 --> 01:11:49,347
on the charges of first-degree
murder and aggravated rape,
1386
01:11:49,388 --> 01:11:52,178
and an extensive manhunt
is currently underway.
1387
01:11:52,558 --> 01:11:54,848
We urge our residents
to be cautious
1388
01:11:54,894 --> 01:11:57,524
and consider Mr. Lee
to be armed and dangerous
1389
01:11:57,563 --> 01:12:00,613
and possibly still
in West Feliciana Parish.
1390
01:12:00,650 --> 01:12:02,400
It wasn’t time to relax.
1391
01:12:02,443 --> 01:12:04,613
We still did not
have the person in custody,
1392
01:12:04,654 --> 01:12:07,824
and we’s praying that he did not
victimize anyone else.
1393
01:12:07,865 --> 01:12:11,615
The FBI received some tips that
he was in Atlanta, Georgia.
1394
01:12:12,119 --> 01:12:16,209
We believe he’s here in Atlanta
and we need to get him arrested
1395
01:12:16,249 --> 01:12:18,709
Derrick Todd Lee,
if you can hear me,
1396
01:12:18,751 --> 01:12:20,591
I met with your mother
this morning.
1397
01:12:20,628 --> 01:12:24,758
She has asked me to ask you
to please turn yourself in.
1398
01:12:25,675 --> 01:12:28,725
[dramatic music]
1399
01:12:29,303 --> 01:12:31,063
[Jeff] Investigators
in Atlanta, Georgia
1400
01:12:31,097 --> 01:12:32,847
located him and arrested him.
1401
01:12:33,808 --> 01:12:36,308
We now have the subject
in custody,
1402
01:12:36,352 --> 01:12:39,652
and soon, he will be transporte
back to Baton Rouge.
1403
01:12:40,731 --> 01:12:44,321
I fell into a ball on the floor
in my kitchen,
1404
01:12:44,777 --> 01:12:48,737
and I literally weeped
for probably an hour.
1405
01:12:49,031 --> 01:12:51,451
I just can’t even tell you
1406
01:12:51,492 --> 01:12:54,792
the emotions that were running
through my body at that point.
1407
01:12:54,829 --> 01:12:57,869
It was a nightmare
that had finally ended.
1408
01:12:58,791 --> 01:13:01,961
[Dianne] When Derrick Todd Lee
was finally captured,
1409
01:13:02,628 --> 01:13:06,008
It was a... A sense of relief,
1410
01:13:06,048 --> 01:13:08,008
that now, he’s behind bars
1411
01:13:08,050 --> 01:13:11,600
and he won’t hurt or kill
anyone else.
1412
01:13:13,764 --> 01:13:18,524
That was an overwhelming joy
for me at that moment.
1413
01:13:23,733 --> 01:13:26,033
[Dana] The DNA
of Derrick Todd Lee
1414
01:13:26,068 --> 01:13:27,898
was also connected
to Randi Mebruer
1415
01:13:27,945 --> 01:13:31,775
as well as Geralyn DeSoto,
over in West Baton Rouge.
1416
01:13:31,824 --> 01:13:35,244
So, the total at that time
was seven.
1417
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:37,620
[Christopher] Once we
apprehended Derrick Todd Lee,
1418
01:13:37,663 --> 01:13:39,163
we brought him in
to be questioned.
1419
01:13:39,206 --> 01:13:40,616
We confronted Derrick
with the fact
1420
01:13:40,666 --> 01:13:43,916
that we had the DNA
on these multiple crime scenes.
1421
01:13:44,211 --> 01:13:46,381
He’s still denying
he committed these acts.
1422
01:13:46,923 --> 01:13:49,513
But one thing that was striking
that he told me, he said,
1423
01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:52,590
"I confess to God,
why should I confess to men?"
1424
01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:57,889
[Ann] To see Derrick Lee
the first time was a shock.
1425
01:13:58,726 --> 01:14:02,646
you kept looking at him
for some sign,
1426
01:14:03,022 --> 01:14:05,482
some mark of the demon,
1427
01:14:05,524 --> 01:14:09,364
Some-something that made him
recognizable
1428
01:14:09,403 --> 01:14:13,743
as subhuman or monstrous.
1429
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:16,660
It seemed impossible
that somebody
1430
01:14:16,702 --> 01:14:18,832
who was an ordinary human being
1431
01:14:18,871 --> 01:14:22,461
which you could have passed
on the street a hundred times,
1432
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:25,090
could be the person that he was.
1433
01:14:25,419 --> 01:14:26,749
[sentimental music]
1434
01:14:26,796 --> 01:14:27,916
[Dana] It was huge.
1435
01:14:27,964 --> 01:14:29,554
The city’d been on edge,
1436
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:32,550
and law enforcement had been
on edge as well,
1437
01:14:32,593 --> 01:14:34,933
just trying to find this person.
1438
01:14:35,846 --> 01:14:39,556
[sentimental music]
1439
01:14:49,944 --> 01:14:52,244
[Max] I received a call,
I believe it was on a Saturday.
1440
01:14:52,279 --> 01:14:54,239
It was on a weekend that, uh...
1441
01:14:54,281 --> 01:14:56,411
a body had been located
in a remote area
1442
01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:58,790
in the extreme North end
of the parish.
1443
01:15:01,038 --> 01:15:04,458
I drove out to see if I could be
of any kind of assistance,
1444
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:06,080
and when I got there,
1445
01:15:06,127 --> 01:15:07,917
it was a very bad scene.
1446
01:15:07,962 --> 01:15:09,212
[tense music]
1447
01:15:09,255 --> 01:15:10,885
The body had been there
for a while.
1448
01:15:10,923 --> 01:15:15,183
It had been, positioned over
some brush and some debris
1449
01:15:15,219 --> 01:15:17,469
in a very degrading manner.
1450
01:15:20,307 --> 01:15:22,977
When we rolled the body,
we discovered that
1451
01:15:23,019 --> 01:15:24,559
her hands had been removed.
1452
01:15:24,603 --> 01:15:26,693
[suspenseful music]
1453
01:15:26,731 --> 01:15:29,271
[Prem] Horrific things
in this case.
1454
01:15:29,817 --> 01:15:33,447
The horror of finding
this decomposing body,
1455
01:15:33,487 --> 01:15:37,487
but the horror
of it being without hands.
1456
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,200
[Max] She also had
a ligature mark
1457
01:15:40,244 --> 01:15:42,004
where she had been choked
to death.
1458
01:15:42,038 --> 01:15:43,248
You couldn’t see the mark,
1459
01:15:43,289 --> 01:15:46,079
because of the collar of insects
around her neck.
1460
01:15:47,126 --> 01:15:49,286
[Bryan] The condition
of her body and the cuttings,
1461
01:15:49,336 --> 01:15:50,796
very, very unusual.
1462
01:15:50,838 --> 01:15:53,668
Just... Just not something
you see in a homicide scene.
1463
01:15:54,508 --> 01:15:56,968
The victim was identified
as Johnnie Mae Williams,
1464
01:15:57,553 --> 01:15:58,853
another black female
1465
01:15:58,888 --> 01:16:02,058
who was living
a high-risk lifestyle.
1466
01:16:02,850 --> 01:16:04,640
Because her hands had been
severed,
1467
01:16:04,685 --> 01:16:07,595
she was starting to get
some bug activity on her body.
1468
01:16:08,564 --> 01:16:11,944
And so, we collected
some of the bugs, because,
1469
01:16:11,984 --> 01:16:15,074
in our minds, we thought someone
had cut her hands off to keep...
1470
01:16:15,112 --> 01:16:16,912
I-I guess as a trophy.
1471
01:16:17,948 --> 01:16:19,778
And then, some of
the other detectives
1472
01:16:19,825 --> 01:16:21,285
immediately remembered that
1473
01:16:21,327 --> 01:16:23,947
one of Katherine Hall’s eyelids
had been cut off.
1474
01:16:24,997 --> 01:16:26,997
[Prem] The alarm went off
at that point.
1475
01:16:27,041 --> 01:16:30,631
With the deaths
of Johnnie Mae Williams
1476
01:16:30,669 --> 01:16:33,299
and Katherine Hall years before
1477
01:16:33,339 --> 01:16:35,049
this is not a coincidence.
1478
01:16:35,633 --> 01:16:37,933
And then you got
these ritualistic cuttings
1479
01:16:37,968 --> 01:16:39,338
on both of them.
1480
01:16:39,386 --> 01:16:41,596
They absolutely know
at this point
1481
01:16:41,931 --> 01:16:46,601
this is serial killer
number two at work.
1482
01:16:46,644 --> 01:16:49,104
[tense music ends]
1483
01:16:53,943 --> 01:16:55,653
[Max] We knew that we had
something
1484
01:16:55,694 --> 01:16:59,284
when we discovered the body
of Johnnie Mae Williams
1485
01:16:59,323 --> 01:17:01,953
and it was so similar
1486
01:17:01,992 --> 01:17:05,622
to the one four years earlier,
with Katherine Hall.
1487
01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:10,580
[Bryan] During the autopsy,
1488
01:17:10,626 --> 01:17:12,746
where her hands
had been severed,
1489
01:17:12,795 --> 01:17:14,305
there was another hair found
1490
01:17:14,338 --> 01:17:16,968
embedded in one of the bones
of her arms.
1491
01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:20,220
[Prem] And the hair
was most likely left
1492
01:17:20,261 --> 01:17:22,851
by the person
who was doing the cutting
1493
01:17:22,888 --> 01:17:24,848
and the taking
of her hands away.
1494
01:17:26,559 --> 01:17:28,269
[Bryan] Ultimately,
the hair collected
1495
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:29,850
from Johnnie Mae’s body
1496
01:17:29,895 --> 01:17:32,975
matched the hair collected
from Katherine Hall’s body,
1497
01:17:33,482 --> 01:17:35,692
So we knew it was
the same killer.
1498
01:17:35,734 --> 01:17:37,284
We knew we had the same person.
1499
01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:39,029
[tense music]
1500
01:17:39,071 --> 01:17:43,031
[Prem] First, we had the violent
series of home invasions
1501
01:17:43,075 --> 01:17:45,865
with a serial killer,
Derrick Todd Lee.
1502
01:17:46,871 --> 01:17:52,081
Then we segue into
ritualistic serial killings,
1503
01:17:52,585 --> 01:17:55,345
murdering prostitutes,
generally speaking,
1504
01:17:55,379 --> 01:17:57,879
and doing multiple cuttings.
1505
01:17:58,924 --> 01:18:00,934
[Bryan] We realize now
that we probably had
1506
01:18:00,968 --> 01:18:03,348
a second serial killer
in Baton Rouge.
1507
01:18:03,762 --> 01:18:06,352
[Max] Derrick Todd Lee had
just been captured.
1508
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:08,350
And now, we’re fixing
to tell everybody
1509
01:18:08,392 --> 01:18:10,352
that we’ve got another
serial killer,
1510
01:18:10,394 --> 01:18:12,154
separate and apart from Lee,
1511
01:18:12,771 --> 01:18:15,571
who we believe
had killed these two women.
1512
01:18:17,276 --> 01:18:19,896
[introspective music]
1513
01:18:23,157 --> 01:18:28,907
[Dana] Prior to the late 1900s
and early 2000, in Baton Rouge,
1514
01:18:28,954 --> 01:18:32,334
there had been no serial killer,
or at least that we knew of.
1515
01:18:32,374 --> 01:18:36,004
This was, you know, something
that was just totally foreign.
1516
01:18:36,045 --> 01:18:38,715
All the sudden,
we know that we have one,
1517
01:18:39,423 --> 01:18:41,553
and then, it looks like
we have two.
1518
01:18:42,843 --> 01:18:44,973
[Bryan] Women were scared
to go out by themself.
1519
01:18:45,012 --> 01:18:48,222
It just really almost had
Baton Rouge in a state of panic.
1520
01:18:50,142 --> 01:18:52,602
[dramatic music]
1521
01:18:52,645 --> 01:18:54,695
In February of ’04,
1522
01:18:54,730 --> 01:18:57,570
some citizens called
from off of Ben Hur Road,
1523
01:18:57,608 --> 01:18:59,608
which is just south of LSU.
1524
01:18:59,652 --> 01:19:03,282
They noticed the body
of a white female
1525
01:19:03,864 --> 01:19:07,124
laying on some brush
in the canal.
1526
01:19:07,159 --> 01:19:09,789
[music becomes tense]
1527
01:19:09,828 --> 01:19:13,288
The first responding deputies
that came up on it
1528
01:19:13,332 --> 01:19:15,042
noticed immediately
1529
01:19:15,084 --> 01:19:19,054
that the body had been laid
upon the brush
1530
01:19:19,088 --> 01:19:20,918
in a posed position.
1531
01:19:21,465 --> 01:19:24,085
The detectives,
upon closer inspection,
1532
01:19:24,134 --> 01:19:27,604
realized that one of her arms
had been severed
1533
01:19:27,638 --> 01:19:29,008
from the elbow down.
1534
01:19:30,683 --> 01:19:32,433
When the body was rolled over,
1535
01:19:32,476 --> 01:19:34,436
there was also a very
significant cutting
1536
01:19:34,478 --> 01:19:36,098
on one of her legs.
1537
01:19:36,730 --> 01:19:38,570
But it was very peculiar
1538
01:19:38,607 --> 01:19:42,937
that the cutting was cut
almost in a perfect square.
1539
01:19:43,779 --> 01:19:46,449
About a three- or four-inch
piece of flesh
1540
01:19:46,490 --> 01:19:48,120
had been removed from her leg.
1541
01:19:48,701 --> 01:19:51,621
So we immediately knew
it was the same person.
1542
01:19:54,039 --> 01:19:57,999
Access to the scene was limited
by a very, very small gate.
1543
01:19:58,377 --> 01:20:00,207
The gate was ajar
1544
01:20:00,671 --> 01:20:01,841
and it was just enough room
1545
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,260
for a small vehicle
to go in and out.
1546
01:20:05,050 --> 01:20:08,390
Well, there was a mud puddle
in the middle of that gate
1547
01:20:08,429 --> 01:20:11,849
and it left
a beautiful tire track,
1548
01:20:11,890 --> 01:20:13,850
that we believed
must have belonged
1549
01:20:13,892 --> 01:20:16,602
to the last vehicle
that had gone through that gate.
1550
01:20:17,229 --> 01:20:19,979
And we believed that was gonna
be the vehicle of the killer.
1551
01:20:20,024 --> 01:20:24,614
The tire prints,
the tire marks were
1552
01:20:24,653 --> 01:20:27,163
what I call
the smoking gun in this case.
1553
01:20:28,532 --> 01:20:29,702
[Max] Our crime scene tech,
1554
01:20:29,742 --> 01:20:31,992
he made a cast
of the tire tracks
1555
01:20:32,036 --> 01:20:35,576
both going into the gap
that entered into the field
1556
01:20:36,123 --> 01:20:38,883
and also the tracks
that backed up to the brush pie
1557
01:20:38,917 --> 01:20:40,537
where her body was found.
1558
01:20:41,545 --> 01:20:43,505
[dramatic music ends]
1559
01:20:43,547 --> 01:20:46,547
[suspenseful music]
1560
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,140
[Bryan] During the autopsy,
1561
01:20:49,178 --> 01:20:52,098
scrapings were taken
from underneath her fingernails
1562
01:20:52,431 --> 01:20:54,221
and submitted for DNA analysis.
1563
01:20:55,434 --> 01:20:58,234
The victim was identified
as Donna Bennett Johnston.
1564
01:20:58,979 --> 01:21:02,399
Same similarities as the other
two victims that we had.
1565
01:21:02,441 --> 01:21:04,361
Very high-risk lifestyle.
1566
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:07,030
She had had some battles
with addiction,
1567
01:21:07,071 --> 01:21:09,571
and then, ultimately,
landed on the streets,
1568
01:21:09,948 --> 01:21:11,948
in the same areas
as Katherine Hall
1569
01:21:11,992 --> 01:21:13,912
and Johnnie Mae Williams.
1570
01:21:16,121 --> 01:21:19,751
We got fingernails scrapings
from Ms. Johnston
1571
01:21:19,792 --> 01:21:22,002
that were compared
for nuclear DNA
1572
01:21:22,044 --> 01:21:25,464
to the root of the hair
from Katherine Hall,
1573
01:21:25,506 --> 01:21:27,466
and then, the shaft
of that same hair
1574
01:21:27,508 --> 01:21:29,178
compared to the shaft
of the hair
1575
01:21:29,218 --> 01:21:31,548
discovered
with Johnnie Mae Williams.
1576
01:21:32,137 --> 01:21:35,427
And ultimately,
they all matched.
1577
01:21:35,474 --> 01:21:36,854
[music intensifies]
1578
01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:39,732
So, we knew at that point
that the same killer
1579
01:21:39,770 --> 01:21:41,940
had committed the homicide
of Donna Johnston,
1580
01:21:41,980 --> 01:21:44,900
Katherine Hall,
and Johnnie Mae Williams.
1581
01:21:46,151 --> 01:21:49,071
We knew without a doubt that
we had the same serial killer
1582
01:21:49,113 --> 01:21:52,033
and that they were probably
more victims out there.
1583
01:21:53,325 --> 01:21:55,945
[introspective music]
1584
01:22:00,082 --> 01:22:01,922
[Max] At that point,
we put a task force together
1585
01:22:01,959 --> 01:22:05,799
involving
the Sheriff’s office, the FBI,
1586
01:22:05,838 --> 01:22:07,458
Louisiana state attorney
general’s office,
1587
01:22:07,506 --> 01:22:10,796
Louisiana State Police,
and the Baton Rouge City Police.
1588
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,060
We had to ensure
our victims’ families
1589
01:22:15,097 --> 01:22:17,807
that this case was going to
be worked just as diligently
1590
01:22:17,850 --> 01:22:19,350
as Derrick Todd Lee’s.
1591
01:22:19,393 --> 01:22:22,153
We would also take this
opportunity to ask any agency
1592
01:22:22,187 --> 01:22:24,807
that if they have murders
they believe are similar,
1593
01:22:24,857 --> 01:22:26,567
to contact the task force.
1594
01:22:27,025 --> 01:22:29,565
Anything of that nature
that remains unsolved
1595
01:22:29,611 --> 01:22:31,781
after Derrick Todd Lee
will be looked at,
1596
01:22:31,822 --> 01:22:34,282
it’s simply a matter
of which ones we prioritize.
1597
01:22:34,783 --> 01:22:37,373
The FBI finally put together
a profile
1598
01:22:37,411 --> 01:22:40,161
of what they thought
this person would be.
1599
01:22:41,457 --> 01:22:43,627
This was probably a white male,
1600
01:22:43,876 --> 01:22:46,336
mid-30s to 40 years old,
1601
01:22:46,670 --> 01:22:48,460
He does not look threatening,
1602
01:22:48,505 --> 01:22:51,505
he does not look like
he’s foaming at the mouth.
1603
01:22:52,217 --> 01:22:55,797
He will start
being a perfect gentleman
1604
01:22:55,846 --> 01:22:58,176
until he turns into that monster
1605
01:22:58,223 --> 01:23:02,193
and then forces his way in
and does what he does.
1606
01:23:08,609 --> 01:23:11,779
The task force sat down and
talked about all the evidence
1607
01:23:11,820 --> 01:23:13,490
that we had to go on
1608
01:23:13,906 --> 01:23:16,316
and we talked about
investigative strategies.
1609
01:23:16,700 --> 01:23:18,370
And the tire tracks,
1610
01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:21,410
we determined that was probably
going to be our best lead.
1611
01:23:22,706 --> 01:23:25,746
The East Baton Rouge Parish
Sheriff’s Office Crime Scene
1612
01:23:25,792 --> 01:23:29,342
had taken molds of those
tire mark impressions
1613
01:23:29,379 --> 01:23:30,799
as well as photographs,
1614
01:23:31,673 --> 01:23:33,933
and their crime scene
investigators had determined,
1615
01:23:33,967 --> 01:23:36,387
by talking to various
tire manufacturers,
1616
01:23:36,428 --> 01:23:39,558
that the tires were
Goodyear Aqua Tread Three.
1617
01:23:39,598 --> 01:23:41,218
[camera click]
1618
01:23:41,266 --> 01:23:43,686
What’s interesting about the
Goodyear Aqua Tread Three tires
1619
01:23:43,727 --> 01:23:46,807
is that it’s
an after-market tire,
1620
01:23:46,855 --> 01:23:48,685
so that means it’s sold
at a tire shop.
1621
01:23:48,732 --> 01:23:50,652
When you go to a tire shop
to buy tires,
1622
01:23:50,692 --> 01:23:52,402
your name is going to be
in a database,
1623
01:23:52,444 --> 01:23:54,574
because they’re gonna have to
get rid of your old tires
1624
01:23:54,613 --> 01:23:56,073
and that gets tracked.
1625
01:23:58,325 --> 01:24:01,415
We found out from Goodyear
that the tires were sold
1626
01:24:01,453 --> 01:24:03,913
at three different locations
in the Baton Rouge area.
1627
01:24:03,956 --> 01:24:05,456
When we went
to these three shops,
1628
01:24:05,499 --> 01:24:06,959
we obtained a list of people
1629
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,090
that had purchased the Goodyear
Aqua Tread Three tires.
1630
01:24:09,127 --> 01:24:11,917
We had approximately 100 names.
1631
01:24:12,756 --> 01:24:15,086
We took the list, divided it up
1632
01:24:15,133 --> 01:24:17,843
amongst the investigators
on the task force,
1633
01:24:17,886 --> 01:24:20,466
and we were tasked
with going out
1634
01:24:20,514 --> 01:24:22,774
and talking to the owners
of these tires
1635
01:24:23,308 --> 01:24:25,228
and seeing
if they would cooperate.
1636
01:24:25,644 --> 01:24:28,444
One of the things that I did
when I got my list is,
1637
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:31,570
I had an analyst run
their criminal histories,
1638
01:24:31,608 --> 01:24:34,648
and based upon my list
of approximately ten people,
1639
01:24:34,695 --> 01:24:38,325
two of them had prior arrests.
1640
01:24:38,365 --> 01:24:42,295
And one of the top two
was Sean Vincent Gillis.
1641
01:24:45,622 --> 01:24:48,292
[tense music]
1642
01:24:49,459 --> 01:24:50,669
[Jeff] The following day,
1643
01:24:50,711 --> 01:24:53,461
I went to see Mr. Gillis
at his residence.
1644
01:24:54,506 --> 01:24:56,126
When I approached
Mr. Gillis’s house,
1645
01:24:56,174 --> 01:24:57,974
we walked past a vehicle
1646
01:24:58,010 --> 01:24:59,390
and noted on the vehicle,
1647
01:24:59,428 --> 01:25:01,048
before we even knocked
on the door,
1648
01:25:01,096 --> 01:25:03,886
that the Goodyear Aqua Tread
Three tires were on the vehicle.
1649
01:25:08,020 --> 01:25:10,310
Mr. Gillis was very unassuming,
1650
01:25:10,355 --> 01:25:13,815
and he asked us to come around
to the backyard to talk to him.
1651
01:25:15,027 --> 01:25:17,857
When I asked him if he knew
Johnnie Mae Williams,
1652
01:25:17,904 --> 01:25:20,994
Gillis told me he did,
in fact, know her.
1653
01:25:21,033 --> 01:25:22,913
[lighter turning on]
1654
01:25:22,951 --> 01:25:25,371
He said, "Johnnie Mae and I
are friends.
1655
01:25:25,412 --> 01:25:26,912
She used to actually
work for me,
1656
01:25:26,955 --> 01:25:29,495
She would come in periodically
and clean my home.
1657
01:25:31,001 --> 01:25:35,171
He said that he knew
Johnnie Mae Williams very well,
1658
01:25:35,213 --> 01:25:38,683
said they had
had sexual relations before,
1659
01:25:39,217 --> 01:25:42,007
said she had been with him
in his car on many occasions.
1660
01:25:42,387 --> 01:25:44,467
[Jeff] That’s when we asked him
for a swab.
1661
01:25:45,223 --> 01:25:49,353
He readily volunteered
to provide a DNA sample
1662
01:25:50,729 --> 01:25:52,309
I handed that swab over
1663
01:25:52,356 --> 01:25:55,776
to our evidence custodian
that was part of the task force,
1664
01:25:55,817 --> 01:25:57,027
and she immediately took it
1665
01:25:57,069 --> 01:25:59,149
to the Louisiana State Police
Crime Lab.
1666
01:26:00,238 --> 01:26:02,448
[Bryan] After more conversation
with Sean,
1667
01:26:02,491 --> 01:26:05,661
he agreed to come down
to the office for questioning.
1668
01:26:07,412 --> 01:26:09,662
[Jeff] He was smoking
a cigarette,
1669
01:26:10,415 --> 01:26:12,575
and I remember,
before he got into the vehicle,
1670
01:26:12,626 --> 01:26:15,586
he smoked half his cigarette
and he threw it on the ground,
1671
01:26:15,629 --> 01:26:17,839
and he said,
"Let’s get this over with."
1672
01:26:21,802 --> 01:26:23,552
[dramatic music]
1673
01:26:23,595 --> 01:26:28,805
It was probably the most
disturbing interrogation
1674
01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:30,310
I’ve ever heard in my life.
1675
01:26:30,352 --> 01:26:32,852
[Bryan] He said that
"the moonlight hit her bone,
1676
01:26:32,896 --> 01:26:34,606
and I just wanted to touch it."
1677
01:26:41,238 --> 01:26:43,238
A policeman looked at me,
and said,
1678
01:26:43,281 --> 01:26:45,581
"You didn’t know you were living
with a serial killer?"
1679
01:26:45,617 --> 01:26:48,747
It’s like being caught
in a story that can’t be true,
1680
01:26:48,787 --> 01:26:50,247
but you can’t get out of it.
1681
01:26:50,288 --> 01:26:51,998
As soon as you can
take a breath
1682
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:53,750
and you realize
that that’s over,
1683
01:26:53,792 --> 01:26:55,082
it’s not over.
1684
01:26:55,127 --> 01:26:58,757
It was incredible
to even contemplate.
1685
01:26:58,797 --> 01:27:00,877
A suspected serial killer,
1686
01:27:00,924 --> 01:27:03,054
making him the third man
accused of that title
1687
01:27:03,093 --> 01:27:05,853
in the Baton Rouge area
in the last ten years.
1688
01:27:05,887 --> 01:27:11,767
Could there be
a third serial killer?
1689
01:27:11,810 --> 01:27:15,190
[Dramatic music fades out]
[dramatic music fades out]
1690
01:27:15,897 --> 01:27:19,357
[music]
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