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Several women were victimized
in Baton Rouge.
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[Dana] People that hadhigh-risk lifestyles
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that were killed.
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There were women that were take
from their homes and killed.
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[Christopher] We knew we hada serial killer
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operating in the city
of Baton Rouge.
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[Pat] I think that the fearat Baton Rouge at that point
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was starting to get
at a tipping point.
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Remain calm. I know
there's a lot of fear
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in the city and I feel it.
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I didn't even know
he was a serial killer.
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I believe I survived
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because God needed
to use someone
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to bring justice
for their loved ones.
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[Reporter] A break in theLouisiana serial killer case.
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An arrest warrant
for Derrick Todd Lee
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has been issued at
East Baton Rouge Parish.
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On the charges
of first-degree murder
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and aggravated rape.
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[Dana] For the cityof Baton Rouge,
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it was a collective sigh
of relief.
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[Max] And then as soonas you can take a breath
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and you realize that
that's over, it's not over.
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[Dana] We havethese murders that are differen
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happening in downtown
Baton Rouge.
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Could we have
another serial killer?
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[Bryan] Katherine Hallwas significantly cut
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where you could
actually see the bone.
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[Max] On Johnnie Mae Williams,
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we discovered
her hands had been removed.
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Donna Bennett Johnston,
one of her arms
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had been severed
from the elbow down.
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[Prem] You've gotthese ritualistic cuttings.
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This is
a totally different animal.
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They absolutely know
at this point,
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this is serial killer
number two.
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[Dana] I couldn't evenimagine what type of person
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would do this.
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It didn't make any sense.
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[Bryan] And there was morefemale victims
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popping up around town.
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It was incredible
to even contemplate.
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And then the next one happened.
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But could there be
a third serial killer?
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[music]
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♪ Like a whisper in the hollow
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♪ Tears fall down
while they pray for tomorrow ♪
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♪ Nobody knows Nobody sees ♪
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♪ Search back of roads
and cold city streets ♪
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♪ There's evil in the dark ♪
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♪ Blood on the hands
and the devil will follow ♪
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[music]
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February of '04, the body
of Donna Johnston was recovered
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in a remote canal near LSU.
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When they were working
the Donna Johnston scene,
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we discovered a tire track.
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The tire that we were looking at
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was ultimately identified
was a Goodyear Aquatred 3.
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When we identified
the individuals
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that had the tire from Goodyear,
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one of those was
Sean Vincent Gillis.
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The following day,
I went to see Mr. Gillis
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at his residence.
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That's when we asked him
for his swab.
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He readily volunteered
to provide a DNA sample.
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Sean agreed to come down
to the office for questioning.
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Before he got in the vehicle,
he smoked half his cigarette,
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and he threw it on the ground,
and he said,
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"Let's get this over with."
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[music]
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[Bryan]
My first impression of Sean was
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that he was an
intelligent person, well-spoken.
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He seemed at ease,
but you could tell
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there was
some underlying tension.
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[Bryan] The question then movedon to,
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had he ever
been out to that field
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where Donna Johnston's body
was found?
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And he said, yes,
he had been familiar
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with that pasture out there,
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that he used to
go out there frequently
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to smoke weed.
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He said, in fact,
couple nights prior,
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that he had gone out there
on his way home.
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Gillis claimed that
he had to use the restroom,
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so he proceeded to this field
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where the body was located
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to get out and do his thing.
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So he put himself
at that location
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where her body was.
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We said,
"Well, why would you go there
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instead of going to your house?
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[Max] It would've beenvery easy for him
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to just go directly home.
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It wouldn't have been
hardly any longer to get there,
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and it just didn't make sense.
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[Bryan] He madesome incredible statements
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that really tied
into the victims,
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along with the fact that he
said he knew Johnnie Mae
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and she had frequently
ridden in his vehicle with him,
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and he had had sex with her.
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He put himself at that location
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where Donna Johnston's body
was found.
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Once he admitted that his car
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had absolutely made
the tire track
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and that he had backed up
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exactly where the car would have
backed up to dump the body,
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it became apparent
that it was him.
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It was obvious
he was starting to panic
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because of some
of the things he said,
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which was only pointing
a finger more at him.
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[Jeff] After several hoursof questioning,
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Mr. Gillis, he didn't
confess to anything.
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And he looked at me and he said,
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"Jeff, you told me
you'd take me home
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when I'm ready to go home.
And I'm ready to go home."
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[Max] We were 99% sureit was him.
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We had developed probable cause.
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We certainly could have
charged him at that point,
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but we wanted to make sure
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that we weren't wrong.
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We put surveillance
on Mr. Gillis
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the minute he got home.
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[Bryan] At this point,it was just a waiting game
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for the crime lab
to give us a word
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whether his DNA was a match.
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[Prem] Within four hours,they got a hit.
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"We've got a match,
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and the killer of these women
is, in fact,
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Sean Vincent Gillis."
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[music]
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[Bryan] "Sean's DNA has matched
to all three of our victims.
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It's him. Absolutely, it's him."
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I drafted an arrest warrant
for him
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for the murder
of Katherine Hall,
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Johnnie Mae Williams,
and Donna Bennett Johnston.
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Once the warrants were signed,
SWAT hits the house.
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My name is Terri Lemoine
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and I lived
with Sean Gillis for nine years.
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[Terri] April 29th, 2004,
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I was off that night and home.
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And for some reason,
Sean came to bed
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at the same time I did,
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which was something
he never did.
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Not even 10 seconds after
I had turned the light off,
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[metallic banging]
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there was what sounded
like a crash in the kitchen.
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And people were yelling,
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and all of a sudden,
the door got kicked in
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to the bedroom.
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And I'm standing in my bedroom,
in my bed clothes,
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with a bunch
of policemen around me.
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And I'm wanting to know
what is going on.
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I want to know
what's going on right now.
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The policemen turned around,
and looked at me and said,
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"You didn't know you were
living with a serial killer?"
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It was probably the most
disturbing interrogation
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[Pat] I've ever heardin my life.
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Gillis liked to talk about
what he did
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in vivid detail.
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He really enjoyed the attention.
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Once we opened those floodgates,
it was hard to shut him up.
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I'
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With a bunch
of policemen around me.
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I'm wanting to know
what is going on.
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And the policeman turned around
and looked at me and said,
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"You didn't know you were livin
with a serial killer?"
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I looked over at Sean
and he shrugged his shoulders.
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And said, "Sorry, honey bunny."
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[Terri] I met Sean Gillis,working the night shift
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at a convenience store.
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One of my friends decided
that we should meet
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because we had
a whole lot in common.
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Same likes, dislikes, movies.
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He made me laugh too.
He was a geeky guy,
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the kind you'd wanna bring
home to mom.
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I basically worked
most of the time.
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I went to work at night
from 11:00 to 7:00.
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But Sean would always stay home
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He didn't wanna go anywhere,
didn't wanna do anything.
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That makes me angry
to think back.
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Sean reminded me of someone
who never wanted to grow up.
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I didn't know how to feel,
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because, in a way,
it made me responsible
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because I was
taking care of Sean.
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It made me feel
like I was giving him
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the wherewithal
to do what he wanted.
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When you have
a lot of time to think,
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you question a lot
of decisions that you made.
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And when the policeman
turned around and said,
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"You didn't know you were
living with a serial killer,"
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I just looked at him, I said,
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"Boy, have you got
the wrong house?"
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I've told that to people
over and over.
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None of what they were saying
made any sense.
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There was no way possible.
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Not Sean. No way.
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We said, "We absolutely have him
on Katherine Hall,
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Johnnie Mae Williams,
and Donna Bennett Johnston.
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"He can't deny that."
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We knew that he
absolutely had more victims.
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So our interview strategy
was gonna be
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we're not gonna press him
real hard.
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We knew, from his
prior interrogation,
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that, you know,
he liked to talk.
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He just got to a point
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where he was kind of
consigned to the fact
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that he was caught.
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And I said,
"Why don't you tell us
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any others, Sean."
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And I remember he said,
"Do you have a pencil?"
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Once we opened those floodgates,
it was hard to shut him up.
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And he wanted to talk
and talk and talk.
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[Max] He really enjoyedthe attention.
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He identified several
homicides that he had committed.
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It seemed to be important
for him
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to have more bodies
to his credit
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than Derrick Todd Lee.
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He knew that Derrick Todd Lee
had already been arrested
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and was in the process
of going to trial.
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He'd been following it.
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[music]
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[Max] In additionto the three homicides
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that we were working,
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he confessed to killing
Ann Bryan,
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Joyce Williams, Marilyn Nevils,
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Hardee Schmidt,
and Lillian Robinson.
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All were women who were killed
in the Baton Rouge area
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in the years previous
to catching him.
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[Bryan] He was very meticulous.
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He gave us names, places,
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graphic details at each scene,
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intimate details
about each victim.
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The Johnnie Mae Williams case,
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he said that, one night,
he and Johnnie Mae
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were riding around,
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and, you know they were doing
their drugs, listening to music.
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And he said he pulled
off behind a restaurant
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in the southeast part
of Baton Rouge.
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He said they were
just sitting there,
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listening to music,
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and he said Johnnie Mae
actually fell asleep.
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He said
something just took over.
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And so he said, "I just
slipped it around her neck
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and killed her."
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[music]
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[Max] As soon as youcan take a breath
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and realize that that's over,
it's not over.
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[Reporter] Many plenty othercold cases
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that have remained unsolved.
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[Johnnie] He started choking me,
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put both of his hands
on either side of my neck,
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and he just started squeezing.
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[Reporter] A suspectedserial killer
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is behind bars tonight.
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I think I survived
because I had a purpose.
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[Bryan] Once Sean Gillisstarted confessing,
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he talked and talked.
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He gave us names, places,
intimate details.
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It was probably the most
disturbing interrogation
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I've ever heard in my life.
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With Katherine Hall's body,
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the most striking thing
was the cuttings.
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He talked about when he cut
Katherine Hall's leg,
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he said he cut it deep
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and he said
it kind of laid open.
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He said that the moonlight
had hit her bone
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and "It was so white,
I just wanted to touch it."
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Sean told us that
he had the perfect situation
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with his relationship
with Terri.
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He would drive her to work
and drop her off,
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he said,
which basically gave him
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eight free hours
to roam the streets,
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and he actually called it
hunting, "to go hunting."
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[Reporter] Sean Gillishas confessed
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to the murder
of at least eight women.
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[Reporter 2] Gillis led membersof the task force
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to locations
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where he allegedly
hid the bodies of his victims.
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[Terri] After going to court
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and listening to
how some of the things occurred
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one thing I had found out
was that
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he had dismembered
one of his victims
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on the kitchen floor.
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And I made a point to go home
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and tear up my floor
in the kitchen.
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And as I was pulling it up,
underneath the tile,
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there was still
big spots of blood.
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It made me feel guilty
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and then it made me feel angry
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because I was feeling guilty.
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And everybody told me I wasn't
supposed to feel guilty.
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How can you not?
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So many people have asked me,
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"How could you not know?"
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Why would I know?
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If your husband stays gone
for an odd amount of time,
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and you're gonna think he's off
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I'll say the word,
actually killing someone?
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First thing you're gonna
think about is,
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"Oh, he might be
seeing another woman."
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This was a letter
that Sean wrote to me
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right after he was arrested
in 2004.
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"My dearest Terri,
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thank you so much
for the last eight years.
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I wish we had 80 more.
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I have never loved a woman
so much
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that each day from you
seems like a year.
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The closer my time daws near,
the less courage I have.
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I do not wanna die this way.
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I know there is
something wrong with my brain,
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but no one gives a damn
to check it out.
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Well, it's not over
until it's over.
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Love you so much,
Honey Bunny. Sean."
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Excuse me.
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I know I can't change
anything that happened.
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I mean, I would if I could.
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Sean took away
the lives of those people.
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I can't let him
take away mine also.
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[Reporter] The first full dayof testimony underway
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of the first-degree murder tria
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of accused serial killer
Derrick Todd Lee.
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[Ann] The trial itselfwas surreal.
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It's like being caught
in a story that can't be true,
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but you can't get out of it.
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[Dianne] My being inthe same room
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with Derrick Todd Lee
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wasn't strange for me
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because I had prayed.
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I prayed and asked God
to let me face him,
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and let me look him in the eye
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so that he would know
that I know
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what he had done to me.
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[Prem] God blessDianne Alexander.
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Dianne Alexander
spoke for the dead.
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She spoke for all the women
who came before her
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who had lost their lives
in a violent way.
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She was the voice
of the dead through her life.
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[Ann] She is unflappable.
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And she identified him
absolutely positively
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with no reservations,
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and that's the deal.
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She is the nail in his coffin.
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[Ann] And when the verdictcame down,
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we were so happy,
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and you get such
an intense relief.
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We thought when it came back
so quickly...
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I'm sorry.
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I just can't believe
it's finally happened.
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I'm overwhelmed.
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[Anchor] Authorities sayDerrick Lee
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and serial killer
Sean Gillis together
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have killed 15 women,
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but there are many, many
other cold cases
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that have remained unsolved.
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Authorities say about 60 women
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have been murdered in and aroun
Baton Rouge since 1992.
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With the trial
of Derrick Todd Lee
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and the trial
of Sean Vincent Gillis,
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we have two serial killers
being tried
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for killing
women in Baton Rouge.
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At the same time, they got
homicides that's not solved yet
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[Bryan] They're bothin jail now.
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There's still a lot
of unsolved homicides.
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There's also more female victims
popping up around town.
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We had quite a few
high-risk lifestyle women
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killed in the same general area,
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Florida Edwards
and also Sylvia Cobb.
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[Dana] I think thatlaw enforcement was concerned
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that because they were both
posed, both bound
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in areas that were frequented
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by drug users and prostitutes,
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that these victims may have been
murdered by the same person.
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[Prem] It was incredibleto even contemplate,
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but could there be
a third serial killer
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here at Baton Rouge.
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[Reporter] It's been more thantwo years and four month
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since LSU grad student
Murray Pace
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was brutally murdered.
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[Reporter 2] Louisianainvestigators are searching
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for more possible victims
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of alleged serial killer
Derrick Todd Lee.
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In 2002, while law enforcement
is investigating
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the deaths of
Gina Green and Murray Pace,
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there were a lot of murders
in downtown Baton Rouge,
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under somewhat
different circumstances.
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I think it was
just concern that,
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"Oh, we've got
another dead woman here.
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I mean, what is going on?"
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And then the next one happened.
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[Christopher] We gota phone call
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from a local resident
that observed a female body
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near the south side
of the old Dillard's store.
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This was the place where
the body was discovered
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on that morning.
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Ten feet from the building
south of the structure.
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She was in a flower bed,
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just about this area here.
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The victim is laid on her back.
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Her legs was positioned
between the two smaller trees.
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Her shirt was pulled above
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her breast area near her throat.
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[Dana] She was laid outin the flower bed.
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It appeared
that she had been posed.
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[Christopher] It was obviousshe was strangled
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because there was blood
on her T-shirt.
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It appears that the shirt
that was on her body
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may have been used as a ligature
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to choke and strangle
the victim.
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[Dana] She was foundin downtown Baton Rouge
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closer to where Sylvia
and Florida were found.
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The three murders
had several things in common.
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All three of the victims
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appeared to be
sexually assaulted.
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And all three of them
were in areas
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where there were drugs,
prostitution, high-risk areas.
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[music]
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We processed the crime scene
and the victim was identified
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as Renee Newman.
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DNA was ultimately run
on the evidence found
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on Florida Edwards' body
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as well as evidence
on Renee Newman's body.
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They connected those two,
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but they didn't know
who the killer was.
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[Christopher] Working asa homicide detective,
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you really wanna solve
every case that you work.
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You wanna bring
closure to the families.
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It takes a toll on you
as an investigator.
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You always thinking about
the case that you're working.
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You always thinking, "What is i
I could've done different,
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what clues
I may have overlooked."
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While investigating
Renee Newman's homicide,
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we received a tip
that maybe Sean Vincent Gillis
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may have known her.
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That prompted us
to interview Sean Gillis
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relative to that investigation.
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Sean was very forthcoming
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with the previous
murder investigations.
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I would actually say in the ones
involving Renee Newman
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and also the ones
done in Baton Rouge,
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since he was accused of killing
high-risk lifestyle women.
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[Christopher] Sometimes it takesa killer to know a killer
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and Sean can shed life
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not only on himself
as being a killer
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but also any additional killers
that he may know.
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Sean told me that,
while he was out there
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searching for a victim,
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he observed another hunter,
another serial killer.
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[Bryan] He said,"I'm telling you,
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when our eyes locked,
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we both knew
exactly why we were there.
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[Christopher] Sean would nottell me
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what the other hunter
looked like.
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I guess maybe
they've got some kind
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of strict code of conduct
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when it comes to killers
recognizing other killers
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not to divulge
who the other person was.
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He refused to give that
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and that's when
the interview stopped.
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[Johnnie] I am Johnnie Martinez.
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I decided to catch my bus
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to go to the store
to get me some medications.
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I get off of the bus,
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but the store
is still a ways around
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from where the bus is.
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On the right-hand side,
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there's a big bush, wooded area.
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And as I'm walking down
the pathway,
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I see a man
coming down towards me.
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He was walking
towards the bus stop.
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He said, "You have
some extra change?"
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When I reached out
to give it to him,
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he grabbed my wrist.
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He threw a punch,
kind of dazed me a bit.
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And when I look,
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he was drawing me
towards those big old woods.
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And I was helpless.
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There was nothing I could do
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to prevent him
from taking me in there.
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He was a lot larger than me,
real kind of big-looking guy.
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He had droopy cheeks
like Droopy the dog.
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That's how I remembered him,
by his cheeks.
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I determined
that I would give him
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the same eye each time
he went to punch me
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because I saw him
with the other eye
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and I wanted to make sure
that if
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I would get out of there alive,
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that I wanted to be able
to identify.
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I think I survived
because I had a purpose.
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God only knows
what your purpose is.
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And he presents it to you
at that point in your life.
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He started choking me,
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put both of his big fat hands
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on either side of my neck
and he just started squeezing.
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[Dana] Johnnie decidedthe best way to survive
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was to tell him,
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as he tried
to sexually assault her,
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that she had AIDS.
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She did not have AIDS,
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but she was hoping
that would keep her
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from being sexually assaulted.
509
00:29:06,332 --> 00:29:07,976
Once he couldn't rape me,
510
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,170
there was not much he could do
but steal my purse.
511
00:29:12,004 --> 00:29:14,640
She decided
that she had a chance
512
00:29:14,674 --> 00:29:18,411
to survive if she
just played dead.
513
00:29:20,246 --> 00:29:22,081
I take a little breath
514
00:29:23,883 --> 00:29:26,018
and close my eyes.
515
00:29:29,088 --> 00:29:32,024
And I feel him get off of me.
516
00:29:34,927 --> 00:29:37,096
And once he got off of me,
517
00:29:37,763 --> 00:29:40,099
I waited a few more seconds.
518
00:29:43,502 --> 00:29:45,071
And he was gone.
519
00:29:53,245 --> 00:29:55,414
[Reggie] I get a calland the call is in reference
520
00:29:55,448 --> 00:29:58,884
to someone that was beaten,
possibly attempted rape,
521
00:29:58,918 --> 00:30:00,886
really in bad condition.
522
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,722
And they said, "Hey,
the person that's injured
523
00:30:02,755 --> 00:30:03,923
you know,
524
00:30:03,956 --> 00:30:05,133
and she says
she knows you well."
525
00:30:05,157 --> 00:30:06,826
And I said,
"Well, who would that be?"
526
00:30:06,859 --> 00:30:08,694
And it was Johnnie.
527
00:30:08,728 --> 00:30:10,329
And, you know, I was shocked.
528
00:30:11,063 --> 00:30:13,699
[Reggie] Johnnie worked ata fast food restaurant
529
00:30:13,733 --> 00:30:15,501
that, during our patrol hours,
530
00:30:15,534 --> 00:30:17,403
I would go over there and eat.
531
00:30:17,436 --> 00:30:20,072
And me and Johnnie
became really good friends.
532
00:30:20,706 --> 00:30:22,842
[Reggie] I immediatelygot dressed
533
00:30:22,875 --> 00:30:24,944
and I went to the hospital.
534
00:30:26,412 --> 00:30:28,547
I can tell you this,
I walked into the room
535
00:30:28,581 --> 00:30:29,958
and I stood
to the back of the room.
536
00:30:29,982 --> 00:30:31,817
And when I saw her,
537
00:30:31,851 --> 00:30:34,286
pretty much, tears
came from my eyes.
538
00:30:35,721 --> 00:30:38,324
[Johnnie] I hadone big swollen eye
539
00:30:38,724 --> 00:30:40,793
with knots on the side of it.
540
00:30:41,260 --> 00:30:43,929
I had marks
all on the side of my neck.
541
00:30:44,897 --> 00:30:46,866
I looked just like a monster.
542
00:30:46,899 --> 00:30:48,901
My friends came to visit me
543
00:30:48,934 --> 00:30:50,703
after it happened.
544
00:30:50,736 --> 00:30:51,937
They were all crying,
545
00:30:51,971 --> 00:30:53,939
and it hurt me more
546
00:30:53,973 --> 00:30:56,909
because I didn't want them
to cry for me.
547
00:30:58,277 --> 00:31:00,279
[Reggie] We knewthat her purse was missing.
548
00:31:01,047 --> 00:31:02,782
She said she had a debit card
549
00:31:02,815 --> 00:31:05,851
and it had, possibly,
$700 or so on it.
550
00:31:05,885 --> 00:31:08,054
So we asked her
to make the phone call.
551
00:31:08,821 --> 00:31:10,056
[Dana] He took her purse,
552
00:31:10,089 --> 00:31:12,034
and he went to an ATM,
553
00:31:12,058 --> 00:31:15,161
and he used her card at the ATM.
554
00:31:15,194 --> 00:31:17,963
And they have a beautiful
picture of him using the card.
555
00:31:20,132 --> 00:31:22,568
So this was the break
we was looking for.
556
00:31:26,439 --> 00:31:28,207
[Johnnie] I threwthe picture down.
557
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,975
I said, "Man, that's the guy."
558
00:31:30,843 --> 00:31:32,211
That was him.
559
00:31:32,244 --> 00:31:34,547
He said, "You sure?"
I said, "I'm positive."
560
00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:37,216
Remember I told you
he had droopy cheeks?
561
00:31:37,249 --> 00:31:39,418
Look at his droopy cheeks
on there.
562
00:31:40,086 --> 00:31:42,355
She immediately identified
the guy,
563
00:31:42,388 --> 00:31:44,223
the best feeling ever.
564
00:31:50,229 --> 00:31:54,600
[Dana] Police identified himas Jeffery Guillory
565
00:31:54,633 --> 00:31:56,602
and found
that he had frequented,
566
00:31:56,635 --> 00:31:58,237
I think, a halfway house
567
00:31:58,270 --> 00:32:01,841
that was in close proximity
to where she was attacked.
568
00:32:02,842 --> 00:32:06,045
We found that Guillory
was from Lake Charles,
569
00:32:06,078 --> 00:32:07,646
was from a family of 10.
570
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,181
He had several convictions
571
00:32:09,215 --> 00:32:11,751
including burglary
and drug convictions.
572
00:32:12,685 --> 00:32:15,354
[Christopher] So our detectivegot a warrant for his arrest
573
00:32:15,388 --> 00:32:18,057
for that particular case
with using the ATM machine
574
00:32:18,090 --> 00:32:20,726
with a stolen credit card.
575
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,162
[Dana] When he was arrested
576
00:32:23,195 --> 00:32:26,165
for the attack
on Johnnie Martinez,
577
00:32:26,198 --> 00:32:28,434
police took his fingerprints
578
00:32:28,467 --> 00:32:30,770
as well as his DNA.
579
00:32:30,803 --> 00:32:36,642
[music]
580
00:32:36,676 --> 00:32:41,681
[Dana] The DNA evidence that wastaken from Florida Edwards
581
00:32:41,714 --> 00:32:43,182
as well as Renee Newman
582
00:32:43,215 --> 00:32:46,218
was in the system,
and it was a hit.
583
00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:49,322
[Christopher] It was alsoable to match
584
00:32:49,355 --> 00:32:51,066
Jeffery Guillory's fingerprint
585
00:32:51,090 --> 00:32:53,659
to that of
a beer can left at crime scene
586
00:32:53,693 --> 00:32:56,095
of Sylvia Cobb
on North Arcadian.
587
00:32:56,696 --> 00:32:58,998
[Reporter] Jeffery Lee Guillorywas charged today
588
00:32:59,098 --> 00:33:00,666
for the murders of three women,
589
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:03,903
Florida Edwards, Sylvia Cobb,
and Renee Newman.
590
00:33:04,403 --> 00:33:08,407
[music]
591
00:33:13,145 --> 00:33:14,914
[Dana] Investigatorsquestioned him
592
00:33:14,947 --> 00:33:17,083
about Sylvia Cobb.
593
00:33:17,116 --> 00:33:18,651
They questioned him
about Renee Newman
594
00:33:18,684 --> 00:33:21,187
and they questioned him
about Florida Edwards.
595
00:33:24,156 --> 00:33:26,359
[Christopher] He deniedknowing the females,
596
00:33:26,392 --> 00:33:28,561
but he was engaged
in the conversation.
597
00:33:32,064 --> 00:33:33,108
[Christopher] I showed himeight photographs
598
00:33:33,132 --> 00:33:35,701
of the victims that was killed
in that same area.
599
00:33:35,735 --> 00:33:39,071
Jeffery said he did not know
any of the women.
600
00:33:39,105 --> 00:33:41,974
But he eventually said
he knew Sylvia Cobb.
601
00:33:45,978 --> 00:33:48,681
The body of Sylvia Cobb
was found
602
00:33:48,714 --> 00:33:52,451
in the same general area,
in an abandoned house.
603
00:33:52,485 --> 00:33:56,222
This is all kind of close
to downtown Baton Rouge.
604
00:33:57,256 --> 00:33:58,667
[Christopher] He knew herbut he had never been
605
00:33:58,691 --> 00:34:00,860
at the house
where her body was discovered.
606
00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:05,031
At times, he would smile
and he was not intimidated.
607
00:34:22,148 --> 00:34:25,351
He seemed so calm and so cool.
608
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,621
[Dana] He was totally unruffled.
609
00:34:29,088 --> 00:34:32,358
He just continued to deny
any involvement.
610
00:34:39,298 --> 00:34:41,133
We had Jeffery DNA
at a crime scene,
611
00:34:41,167 --> 00:34:43,045
so as an investigator,
I'm thinking
612
00:34:43,069 --> 00:34:44,470
that he's gonna
admit to what he did
613
00:34:44,503 --> 00:34:46,639
because we could prove
that his DNA was there.
614
00:34:47,139 --> 00:34:48,974
I'm thinking
that he's gonna man up
615
00:34:49,075 --> 00:34:52,078
and say, "I was there.
I did kill the victims."
616
00:35:21,741 --> 00:35:23,509
[Christopher laughing]
617
00:35:24,677 --> 00:35:26,188
[Christopher] He never didadmit to it, you know,
618
00:35:26,212 --> 00:35:28,047
so what do you get from that?
619
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,682
How do you assess a person
620
00:35:29,715 --> 00:35:31,751
who don't wanna admit
to the truth?
621
00:35:32,718 --> 00:35:35,588
Still, he's a killer,
and I knew he was
622
00:35:35,621 --> 00:35:37,265
because of the fact that
we were able to trace him
623
00:35:37,289 --> 00:35:39,158
to these three crime scenes.
624
00:35:53,606 --> 00:35:55,975
Authorities call
Jeffery Lee Guillory
625
00:35:56,075 --> 00:35:57,543
a suspected serial killer,
626
00:35:57,576 --> 00:35:59,779
making him the third
man accused of that title
627
00:35:59,812 --> 00:36:02,715
in the Baton Rouge area
in the last 10 years.
628
00:36:02,748 --> 00:36:04,650
[Reporter] Guillory'sfingerprints were found
629
00:36:04,684 --> 00:36:06,786
at the scene of
Sylvia Cobb's murder
630
00:36:06,819 --> 00:36:08,220
but says DNA evidence
631
00:36:08,254 --> 00:36:10,690
links Guillory
to both Newman and Edwards.
632
00:36:11,090 --> 00:36:13,225
The mother of one alleged victim
633
00:36:13,259 --> 00:36:14,760
is still in Baton Rouge tonight.
634
00:36:14,794 --> 00:36:17,563
Ora Lee Jackson,
was at a loss for words
635
00:36:17,596 --> 00:36:21,033
after news of today's arrest
in the death of Sylvia Cobb.
636
00:36:21,067 --> 00:36:24,236
I cried and seemed
that I couldn't
637
00:36:24,270 --> 00:36:26,605
get that together,
couldn't eat, couldn't sleep.
638
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:28,774
And I said,
"Well, thank you, Jesus.
639
00:36:28,808 --> 00:36:30,209
They found the killer."
640
00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:35,147
[music]
641
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,355
[Dana] Johnnie Martinezcame to trial
642
00:36:42,388 --> 00:36:44,623
in order to make sure
643
00:36:44,657 --> 00:36:47,960
that Jeffery Guillory
would never be able
644
00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:50,796
to harm another woman.
645
00:37:01,173 --> 00:37:03,309
[Dana] Finally, we have our guy
646
00:37:03,342 --> 00:37:06,612
for these murders
that occurred in 1999,
647
00:37:06,645 --> 00:37:09,749
2001, and 2002.
648
00:37:10,716 --> 00:37:12,461
[Christopher] With the arrestof Jeffery Guillory,
649
00:37:12,485 --> 00:37:14,387
now we have
a third serial killer
650
00:37:14,420 --> 00:37:16,422
that's taken off the streets
of Baton Rouge.
651
00:37:16,455 --> 00:37:18,758
I think that Jeffery's
also responsible
652
00:37:18,791 --> 00:37:21,027
for the other homicides
that took place in Baton Rouge.
653
00:37:21,427 --> 00:37:23,195
A pproximately 13 females
654
00:37:23,229 --> 00:37:25,197
with high-risk lifestyle
was murdered
655
00:37:25,231 --> 00:37:26,565
in the same manner.
656
00:37:27,833 --> 00:37:30,336
I think he's also responsible
for those murders as well.
657
00:37:34,407 --> 00:37:37,309
[Bryan] The arrest ofserial killer Derrick Todd Lee,
658
00:37:37,343 --> 00:37:39,612
serial killer
Sean Vincent Gillis,
659
00:37:39,645 --> 00:37:42,148
and serial killer
Jeffery Guillory,
660
00:37:42,181 --> 00:37:44,150
all in Baton Rouge,
661
00:37:44,183 --> 00:37:46,452
all within
a very short time period.
662
00:37:47,286 --> 00:37:49,288
[Dana] The whole citywas relieved,
663
00:37:49,322 --> 00:37:52,591
but the amount of loss
664
00:37:52,625 --> 00:37:56,329
and the amount of sadness,
it's hard.
665
00:37:57,596 --> 00:37:59,565
[Prem] There was such grief
666
00:38:00,032 --> 00:38:02,635
for the mothers of those women,
667
00:38:02,668 --> 00:38:03,836
such grief,
668
00:38:03,869 --> 00:38:08,407
that I don't think that
that sorrow has ever gone away.
669
00:38:10,109 --> 00:38:11,777
[Ann] The familiesof the victims
670
00:38:11,811 --> 00:38:16,515
of Derrick Todd Lee
was a huge support
671
00:38:16,549 --> 00:38:19,385
from sharing that common horror.
672
00:38:19,885 --> 00:38:22,321
We felt very connected.
673
00:38:22,355 --> 00:38:23,889
We weren't alone.
674
00:38:23,923 --> 00:38:25,891
We had each other.
675
00:38:30,596 --> 00:38:32,531
[music]
676
00:38:32,565 --> 00:38:36,102
[Ann] I don't want to beovercritical of the police
677
00:38:36,135 --> 00:38:40,106
because I really do think
they did the best they could.
678
00:38:40,139 --> 00:38:41,307
I do think that.
679
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:43,409
[Ann] Before AFIS, before CODIS,
680
00:38:43,442 --> 00:38:45,077
before all those systems
681
00:38:45,111 --> 00:38:47,046
kind of created a network
682
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:48,948
for law enforcement,
683
00:38:49,048 --> 00:38:51,117
things were very isolated.
684
00:38:51,150 --> 00:38:52,318
You could commit crimes
685
00:38:52,351 --> 00:38:54,854
in two counties
in the same state.
686
00:38:55,221 --> 00:38:57,289
They wouldn't connect.
687
00:39:16,375 --> 00:39:17,843
That would be
the question there.
688
00:39:17,877 --> 00:39:21,180
They're dropping this name
that he's a serial killer.
689
00:39:21,614 --> 00:39:24,016
None of this really makes sense.
690
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:28,454
[Ann] They were stillutterly convinced
691
00:39:28,487 --> 00:39:32,792
that Randy's ex-husband was
the person who had killed her.
692
00:39:33,259 --> 00:39:34,760
[Mike] I told them
693
00:39:34,794 --> 00:39:37,830
that the whole time
while you're investigating me,
694
00:39:37,863 --> 00:39:40,933
the person responsible
is still out there.
695
00:39:41,033 --> 00:39:43,602
And he killed
six more women after that.
696
00:39:44,036 --> 00:39:45,671
In 1998,
697
00:39:45,705 --> 00:39:49,508
they did not run
Derrick Lee's DNA,
698
00:39:49,542 --> 00:39:52,478
and think how that would've
changed the world.
699
00:39:52,511 --> 00:39:54,847
Why didn't you ever try
to get a DNA sample?
700
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,949
Had that been
the perfect world of now,
701
00:39:57,049 --> 00:40:00,152
Derrick Todd Lee, he would've
been caught right away.
702
00:40:00,820 --> 00:40:02,989
We wanted to get
Derrick Todd Lee's DNA.
703
00:40:03,022 --> 00:40:06,125
It was early on in the DNA era
704
00:40:06,158 --> 00:40:08,461
as what DNA could do
705
00:40:08,494 --> 00:40:11,764
and never had training on DNA
up to the end,
706
00:40:11,797 --> 00:40:14,633
and really never
understood it, what it could do.
707
00:40:14,667 --> 00:40:17,370
I mean, I understand
what fingerprints can do.
708
00:40:17,403 --> 00:40:18,971
But being a small agency,
709
00:40:19,005 --> 00:40:21,073
we didn't know
a whole lot about DNA.
710
00:40:27,013 --> 00:40:28,814
It was frustrating.
711
00:40:28,848 --> 00:40:30,883
There's probably mistakes
we made too,
712
00:40:30,916 --> 00:40:33,319
and like I say,
throughout my years
713
00:40:33,352 --> 00:40:35,521
of working investigations
714
00:40:35,554 --> 00:40:38,691
from '94 to 2010,
it taught me a lot.
715
00:40:39,058 --> 00:40:40,826
And I think more communication
716
00:40:40,860 --> 00:40:42,328
would've been better
on this case,
717
00:40:42,361 --> 00:40:44,563
and maybe we could've stopped
some murders.
718
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:49,669
[music]
719
00:40:50,436 --> 00:40:53,706
[Ann] That's a thing that youcan't think about too much,
720
00:40:53,739 --> 00:40:58,744
the fact that, had they run
that DNA in 1998,
721
00:40:59,512 --> 00:41:02,348
that Murray, Gina,
722
00:41:02,381 --> 00:41:06,285
Pam, Carrie, Dene,
723
00:41:06,318 --> 00:41:08,354
all of them would be alive
724
00:41:08,387 --> 00:41:10,056
'cause he would've been caught.
725
00:41:10,089 --> 00:41:15,494
It's just one of those
horrible turns of life.
726
00:41:19,732 --> 00:41:22,902
[music]
727
00:41:26,906 --> 00:41:28,574
[Christopher] The wounds
of that time
728
00:41:28,607 --> 00:41:30,676
are still open,
it's not healed yet.
729
00:41:31,844 --> 00:41:34,347
The wounds are still fresh toda
730
00:41:34,380 --> 00:41:36,349
as it was back in the '90s
731
00:41:36,382 --> 00:41:38,084
and 2000s as well.
732
00:41:39,251 --> 00:41:40,553
It still haunts the city
733
00:41:40,586 --> 00:41:43,723
because that's a dark part
of our history.
734
00:41:46,459 --> 00:41:48,094
[Ann] There are so many women
735
00:41:48,127 --> 00:41:50,629
who had been murdered
736
00:41:50,663 --> 00:41:53,399
whose cases were unsolved.
737
00:41:53,432 --> 00:41:56,635
And that's one thing
you think of with ours,
738
00:41:57,136 --> 00:42:01,040
that we were fortunate
to know what happened,
739
00:42:01,340 --> 00:42:05,311
and to know who
and what and why,
740
00:42:05,578 --> 00:42:07,780
as much as you can know why.
741
00:42:09,181 --> 00:42:10,883
[Man] Eugenie Boisfontaine.
742
00:42:11,183 --> 00:42:13,085
Dianna Williams.
743
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,030
Tannis Walker.
744
00:42:15,054 --> 00:42:16,822
Patricia Harkins.
745
00:42:18,624 --> 00:42:22,261
[Dana] It's upsettingto read so many names
746
00:42:22,294 --> 00:42:23,596
of so many victims
747
00:42:23,629 --> 00:42:26,465
that were killed
during that period of time.
748
00:42:27,133 --> 00:42:28,601
And it's also upsetting
749
00:42:28,634 --> 00:42:32,371
that their killer was never
made answerable
750
00:42:32,405 --> 00:42:33,973
for those murders.
751
00:42:34,073 --> 00:42:36,609
It may have been
Jeffery Guillory.
752
00:42:36,642 --> 00:42:39,645
It may have been
Derrick Todd Lee.
753
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:42,114
It may have been
Sean Vincent Gillis,
754
00:42:42,148 --> 00:42:44,750
or it may have been
somebody totally unrelated.
755
00:42:44,784 --> 00:42:47,953
But their families
have even less answers
756
00:42:48,321 --> 00:42:51,157
and have never received justice.
757
00:42:55,161 --> 00:42:57,229
[music]
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