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Ladies, gentlemen, and those of us
smart enough to transcend a gender.
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I know... I'm fabulous.
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My pronoun's a fat bitch.
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For me!
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This place is wild.
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It's rule-breaking, gender-bending,
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and it's at the forefront of
what I see as a gender revolution.
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Gender: it's a subject that gets
a lot of people very worked up.
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Leave the kid alone.
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People get so upset when they see
someone like me in a dress.
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What exactly is it?
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Bender-gender, cis-tem offender.
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And why does it matter so much?
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-I wanna be a daddy.
-You are a daddy.
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I want to find out, for me, for you,
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for all the eight billion
inhabitants of Planet Sex.
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PLANET SEX
WITH CARA DELEVINGNE
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Is this actually
meant to be serious? No...
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Quite? Half?
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Quasi.
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For me, I think gender is probably
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the most interesting thing
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that runs through
all of humanity and society,
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but it's the conversation
that people have the least.
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This is probably the first time
I've spoken about gender like this,
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ever in my life...
and it's been 29 years too late!
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When I was a little girl,
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I liked dressing up
in boy's clothes.
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I didn't like Barbies,
I liked Action Men. I liked cars.
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But then if someone mistook me
for a guy, I'd be like,
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"No, I'm a girl.
Can't you see that?"
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I started having these gender
identity crises as a teenager.
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I felt very alone. Completely.
There was no one I could talk to.
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The whole thing is very odd.
I'm still figuring it out.
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-That's so sweet.
-That was good.
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Shut up!
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To understand myself better,
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I need to discover what gender
feels like for other people.
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So I'm putting myself out there
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and going to meet
some fabulous gender queer folk.
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There's no better place to start
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than with someone who's had
an extraordinary gender journey.
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This isn't the right place.
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This is one of my nearest
and dearest friends, Mik.
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You might recognise him as Gottmik,
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from the legendary
Ru Paul's Drag Race.
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All right,
stunning angel of my life.
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This is Roland's studio.
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A lot of artistry happens here.
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I got ready for Drag Race here,
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covered this place
with all my stuff.
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This is iconic.
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I'm a trans man,
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which means
I was assigned female at birth,
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and then transitioned into a man.
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But I definitely love
playing with femininity.
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That's why I love drag so much,
it allows you to do that.
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I wake up as a guy
and go to sleep as a guy.
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Gottmik, that female-ish persona,
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is 1000% just my art form.
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When did you first discover
that people can transition?
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I'm from Arizona,
where it's very conservative.
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I didn't even know what trans was.
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When I was 18,
I met a bunch of trans women
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who taught me what trans was
and it just clicked.
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I didn't transition for so long
because I was very feminine,
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and all the trans guys I ever saw
were just very masculine.
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So I used drag to see what
I was comfortable with.
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It kind of helped me find my gender
and realise that
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I'm 1000% not a girl
and 1000% a guy.
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It's amazing.
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I started hormones and it was like
everything fell into place.
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It was almost like every issue I had
was solved in one second.
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It was like the world was like,
"You're on the right path, bitch."
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And it was game over.
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Mik's journey,
from being assigned female at birth,
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to a trans man
who loves to play with femininity,
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has got me thinking
about my own path.
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If someone had asked me as a kid
if I wanted to be a boy...
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-Yeah...
-I do wonder about this a lot.
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If I hadn't become famous,
would it be different?
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If I wasn't a model,
would it have been different?
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It is scary.
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When I started transitioning,
I was a celebrity make-up artist.
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It was scary, I was like,
my God, what am I going to do?
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Go up to my celebrity clients
and say "Hi, I'm a man today"?
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I can't even imagine
even like playing with gender
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and trying to figure out shit
in front of the world like that.
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All right, so where do you think
you're headed with this?
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I honestly don't know.
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The older I've gotten,
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the less I'm trying
to get approval from my family.
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I wonder if I said, "Guys, I want
to transition into being a man,"
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what they would do?
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And by the way,
I would never say that to them.
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This is the thing, it's nothing
against them. They love me.
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It's just, some people
don't understand what that is.
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And they look at you
like they don't know you, suddenly.
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I love you so much, for who you are.
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No, but I mean, that's...
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-I wanna be a daddy.
-You are a daddy, no matter what.
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Maybe one way to explore
my inner masculinity
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and play with gender
is to dress up in drag.
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So Gottmik's put me
in the make-up chair.
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-I love this, thickening your brows.
-Yeah, you are.
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I haven't ever dressed in male drag
apart from when I was nine.
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I would go down the street
dressed as a boy.
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I used to get the foam shaving cream
and put it on my face
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and pretend to shave with the end
of a moisturiser, because it's hard.
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I used to do it next to my dad,
because I wanted to be...
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I get so nervous.
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What are we trying to build?
Like a gender...
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Bender... Cis-tem offender.
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Yep.
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-I'm writing it down.
-Why are you doing that?
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-I think I have a problem.
-Bender gender cis-tem offender.
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-Now we transform her.
-OK.
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Fem-gen-gen-man,
welcome to the world.
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It's scary. But in a good way.
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-You look like Zac Efron.
-It matches my eyebrows perfectly.
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I mean, it's not...not...
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You honestly look hot as all hell.
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And after a bit
of that Gottmik magic...
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I'm really feeling it.
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Wow. What gender
is happening here, ladies?
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Yep. Gentlemen.
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You're cool.
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For me,
drag is an outward expression
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of how I feel inside,
in some way, shape or form.
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My gender is this kind of like...
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multi-coloured sea of...
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sometimes it's wavy
and sometimes it's completely still,
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sometimes there's miles
of tidal waves, it's just...
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For me, it never feels fixed.
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But hold off a second.
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Before we dig too deep here,
I want to clear some things up.
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Like, what actually is gender?
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And is it different
from what sex you are?
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Let's talk about gender, baby!
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Gender.
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So I've called in my fellow Brit
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and expert, Dr Ronx.
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-So right now...
-This looks fun.
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We're going to do cue cards.
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-I'm a bit nervous.
-Gender.
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Oh, my God, that's...
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-It's not an easy starter for ten.
-What is gender?
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Gender is essentially
how somebody feels inside,
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an innate feeling.
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It's not necessarily related
to somebody's sex assigned at birth.
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Shall we talk about what sex is?
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Because I think people
can confuse sex and gender.
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Yes, exactly. Sex.
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OK. Sex...
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Sex is essentially a term
that's given to people at birth
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and it divides people into two,
binary constructs, male or female.
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It's usually related to
their external sex organs.
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So... What is your sex?
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I mean, my sex is...
I have a vagina.
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So society assumes
that if you have a vagina,
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you are going to feel
that you are a woman.
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And if you have a penis,
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that you are going to feel
that you are a man.
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Not everybody
goes on to fit neatly into the box
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that society says
they should fit into.
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Wow. So true.
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Trans / transgender.
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So, trans people
feel that their gender
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isn't aligned to the sex
they were assigned to at birth.
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So for example a female child
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may not grow into a woman.
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They might identify as a man.
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But the thing
we have to be very clear about
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is that the trans experience
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is different
for absolutely everybody.
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I personally have grown up without
feeling like I have a gender.
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But it's more that I didn't belong
in any of the gender stereotypes.
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For me, the whole feminine identity
was so annoying,
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I was like, I am a person
who likes to play outside,
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build, climb, do crazy things,
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and this dress my mum
used to try to put me in
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with really long hair, I was like,
"I can't do any of those things."
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So for me, for example,
I don't feel as though I'm a woman.
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So I would call myself trans.
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I have a vagina
and say that my sex is female, fine.
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But that doesn't mean
I have to walk around the world
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in a kind of...
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-As a woman.
-Yeah, of course.
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Some estimate that
for around 98% of folk,
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their sex and their gender match up.
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But about 2% feel differently.
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Growing up in the UK,
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I've been deeply influenced
by my culture's belief
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that boys should be boys
and girls, well, girls.
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But there are other cultures
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where sex and gender
aren't thought of so rigidly.
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OAXACA
MEXICO
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500 miles south of Mexico City
live the indigenous Zapotec people.
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And for more than 500 years,
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they've recognised not two
but three genders:
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men, women and muxe.
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I'm not a man, I'm not a woman,
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I am proud to be muxe.
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Welcome to my home.
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Felina, like most muxe people,
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was assigned male at birth.
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I was in primary school
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when I realised there were men
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and there were women,
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and I didn't fit into either.
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Because I'm not a woman,
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I don't feel like a woman,
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but I'm not a man either.
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But my brothers,
my aunts and my cousins,
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they knew as soon as
I started walking that I was muxe.
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It's a collective discovery,
it's not individual.
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We don't have to prepare
our parents for when we tell them,
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"I am muxe."
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Instead, everyone knows.
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I love that.
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Muxe make up about 6% of people
in Felina's hometown,
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where they play a unique role.
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Some choose to dress
in traditionally masculine clothing.
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But most wear dresses and work
in stereotypically feminine trades
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such as cooking,
hairdressing and weaving.
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Today, Felina is bringing together
muxe from all over the state,
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for an annual festival
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celebrating muxe culture,
visibility and bravery.
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For me, it's very important
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to keep our customs
and traditions alive,
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so that they never die.
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It gives us the opportunity
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to get together, to hug one another,
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to dance and spend time together.
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The Catholic Church isn't known
for supporting gender diversity,
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but here in Oaxaca, it's a big part
of the muxe festivities.
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As muxes, it's very important
to receive a blessing.
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The priest says
we are all God's children.
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Oaxaca is not paradise,
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but we have worked
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to gain visibility and recognition.
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Bravo!
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It's the first festival
since before the pandemic.
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Today I feel very proud, very happy.
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What can we show to the world?
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Well, obviously, tolerance
and acceptance as people.
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I think we should be loved
and accepted as human beings.
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I am what I am.
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This is part of me, of my culture
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and my way of being.
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I feel proud of my identity.
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It turns out, it's not just Oaxaca
that has more than two genders.
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India has the hijra,
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in Naples, Italy,
there are the feminielli,
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many indigenous Americans
recognise two-spirit people,
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whilst Samoa has the fa'fafine,
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and an island in Indonesia
even recognises up to five genders.
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No, come on, don't eat the birds.
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I think the Western culture
that I grew up in,
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with just two genders,
men and women,
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is far too restrictive.
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It's no wonder some people
just can't help but rebel.
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Like Alok, who defines themself
as non-binary,
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meaning they feel neither
like a man nor like a woman.
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What do you want from me?
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Alok's taking me to a tailor
in the West Village
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whose family has been dressing
the gender non-conforming community
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for 35 years.
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-Hi.
-How are you?
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-Oh, my God.
-Your dress is ready, I think.
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-That looks great.
-I want you to try them.
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OK.
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-How do you like it?
-It's really great.
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-The length is good.
-Yeah.
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-It looks good.
-Can we get more room up here?
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-More room here?
-My shoulders are kind of wide.
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-We can do that.
-Thank you.
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People get so upset when they see
someone like me in a dress.
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They'll go,
"That's a man in a dress!"
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So what?
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Why are we so concerned
with policing fashion?
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Do you think the binary
has affected us badly?
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-Yes.
-Is that more along the lines...?
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We're constantly saying,
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"You're not masculine enough,
feminine enough."
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We're constantly made to feel
like we're not enough.
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Being a man has to be
opposite to being a woman.
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It only gives us two options.
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There's so many different genders
and sexes and sexualities,
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in animals and plants and humans.
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Gender and sexual diversity
is what's natural,
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not dividing billions of
complex things into two categories.
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Why, when it comes to humans,
do we say,
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you all have to be this way?
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Yeah, put it in a box,
black and white, this or that.
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Meeting you, you're so...
outside of gender.
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And you have such confidence
in your masculinity.
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And for me it was a wake-up call
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that all of us are in this journey
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of trying to figure out who we are
outside of what we've been told.
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And that, actually, in a world
without that societal pressure,
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who would we be?
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These things are so ingrained in us,
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I realise how much internalised
shame I have against myself,
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not to anyone else,
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But it's still... whatever your
parents or grandparents believed.
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It does take a long time to change
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but the quicker it happens,
the more people will find freedom.
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I often say, they'll try their best
to destroy you
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and call it love.
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But it was often the people
who said that they loved me first
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who were policing my gender.
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I had to...
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deny myself, erase myself,
invisibilise myself,
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So I didn't allow any video
recordings of me,
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I didn't want any photos
or audio recordings,
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because I felt I was too feminine,
my voice and gestures too girly.
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I was literally in a straightjacket.
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So I wouldn't express myself at all.
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Can I ask how your relationship
is with your family now?
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It's so much better now.
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I think because they saw how...
this is what happiness is.
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Yeah, it's so important.
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I want to be happy, I want to be me,
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I want to live life
outside of norms and binaries,
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I want to live the question.
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And one of the things
I wanted to ask you is,
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modelling,
do you feel like it's difficult
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to figure out
what your own image is?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, really.
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My identity as a person,
I don't really know what that is.
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In the way of, like...
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I went from being
a suicidal, depressed teenager
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to going straight out of school
and becoming a famous model.
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I don't know who I am. Lots of
people don't know who they are.
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-Right.
-I'm nearly 30 and I feel like 16.
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Our experiences show
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how harmful rigid ideas about
masculinity and femininity are.
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Not just to people
who feel they don't fit,
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but to all of society.
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For what it's worth,
if I had grown up in a world
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that understood the complexities
of gender a bit better,
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I think my childhood would have been
a lot easier and happier.
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When I was a teenager,
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I mean, I had a lot of
mental stuff going on.
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Pretty heavy depression,
suicidal thoughts,
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you know,
I had a mental breakdown.
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It was all to do with finding
identity and sexuality and gender...
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Yeah, I think a lot of that
was pretty rough.
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Because I wasn't like everyone else.
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But actually, I was wrong.
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Like me, a lot of people growing up
feel confused about gender.
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The big question is, why?
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Well, gender can be influenced
by how and where we're brought up,
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social pressures,
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and science tells us that
some of it is down to our biology.
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That's you there, in the womb,
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with a soup of sex hormones
running through your body.
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One key ingredient is testosterone.
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For many people,
the more testosterone in the mix,
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the more male you may look
on the outside and feel inside.
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Low testosterone may make you
look and feel more female.
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But hormones combine
in complex ways,
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meaning sometimes you look one way
and feel quite different.
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That's why gender is more of
a spectrum than just men and women.
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And, perhaps surprisingly,
so is your body.
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Genes and hormones influence whether
you develop a penis or a vagina,
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and there can be dozens
of biological variations.
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Meet River Gallo.
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They are not male or female,
they are intersex,
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meaning their sex at birth
was unclear.
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I used to religiously
not step on cracks.
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Of course, me too.
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Two in a row's good,
three in a row's bad luck.
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You have to spin round ten times,
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kick a lamp-post, spit and go,
"Aye, aye, sailor."
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Ow...
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That's what happens when
you're with your bad luck friend.
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Fuck you, tree.
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River's family
runs an El Salvadorean restaurant.
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I cannot wait to find out more
about their extraordinary story.
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-This is my mom.
-Thank you so much for having me.
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I'm Cara.
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Hi.
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-Baby.
-Hi, Mom.
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And to try their famous pupusas.
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-These are really good.
-Cheese or meat.
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Yes, pupusa!
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I always say, the pupusas
paid for my college.
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Tell me a little bit
about you growing up.
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I knew there was something
different about me since I was 12,
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which was when my doctors told me
I was born without testicles.
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So the idea was, we're going to
give you the hormones,
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you're going to turn into a boy.
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You're going to have these testicles
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and you're going to look male
down there.
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And, essentially,
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I was put on testosterone
to start going through puberty,
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and then, when I was 16,
I had a surgery
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to implant prosthetic testicles
into my scrotum.
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I wasn't until I went,
I want to make a film out of it
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that I realised that
my condition was intersex.
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00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,920
So it wasn't until I was 26
that I realised that...
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-Twenty-six.
-Yeah.
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There was a word that existed
and it was me that looked it up.
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River's groundbreaking
short film Ponyboi
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follows a young,
intersex runaway navigating love
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and seeking self-acceptance.
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It's one of the few films ever
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to star an intersex person
as an intersex lead.
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It opened up
a whole new world for River.
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While writing the screenplay,
I discovered that
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my condition is part of
the larger intersex umbrella
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and found that there were
these intersex activists,
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who were really vocal
about their experiences.
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Was it something
you were scared of?
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Or were you just
so happy to find out...
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-I mean, like, surely...
-Yeah...
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Definitely, both.
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It was a relief because it was
community, people, support,
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and at the same time it was like...
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What the fuck?
Why did it take this long?
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Why did no doctor, in these last
10 or 12 years, tell me anything?
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I recently looked at my journals
from that time.
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00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,480
It was heartbreaking,
427
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,240
because there was a lot of talk
of not wanting to live.
428
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,720
There was a lot of,
like, just confusion...
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Are you going to cry? OK...
430
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,840
-Just checking.
-Shut up! God, you're annoying.
431
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,280
-It breaks my heart, though.
-My heart was broken.
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I was crying,
reading these journal entries.
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It was just, like, wow,
nobody was really...
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I needed help. I was, like,
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00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,240
"I don't feel good,
I want to see a therapist."
436
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,760
My parents got me therapists.
437
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,160
-Were you not really pissed?
-Yeah!
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00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,160
I turned that anger into activism.
439
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,600
Is it still the norm, if you're born
intersex, to be assigned a gender?
440
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,960
Pretty much, yeah. Most doctors say,
this is what has to happen.
441
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,560
Leave the kid alone!
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00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,200
It's also doctors preparing
children to have heterosexual sex.
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Because that's what it is,
it's a hetero-patriarchal agenda.
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That's part of the reason why this,
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what I like to call the intersex
tipping point is now happening.
446
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Now we're finally realising
that our shared experience
447
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is collective power
to get these laws made,
448
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,080
so that no intersex child has to
go through what we've been through.
449
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,600
It was really, really nice
to meet River.
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There was a sadness about like...
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being emotionally unsupported,
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going through
all this medical stuff alone.
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How crazy it would have been
to have someone
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make medical decisions that
I couldn't even have control over.
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00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,840
So our sexual biology is actually
this kaleidoscope of diversity.
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It's estimated that up to 1.7%
of us humans are intersex,
457
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about the same number
of people with red hair.
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00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,560
Our bodies don't always
fit neatly into two categories.
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00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,280
So is this the same for our minds?
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The University of Cambridge,
home to Britain's brainiacs,
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where scientist
Dr Christelle Langley
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has been investigating
if gender shows up in the brain.
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What we tried to do in our study was
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to look at whether we could identify
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typically male or female brains.
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00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,000
Brain scans of almost 10,000 people
from all around the world
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have been analysed
with artificial intelligence
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00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,200
trained to pick out
patterns of neural activity
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that differ between
males and females.
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Interesting.
But why are we looking at a cake?
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The brain is made up of
a number of areas and regions,
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much like the ingredients of a cake.
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00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,520
It's similar in the brain,
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in that we can't identify
these individual components.
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00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,040
The important thing is how
the whole brain functions together.
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00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,720
Male and female brains
are structurally very similar,
477
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,120
but the team discovered differences
in the way they communicate.
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00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,840
Brains were given a score
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for how typically male or female
their connection patterns are,
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and plotted onto...
Get ready for it!
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A brain-sex continuum.
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You'd maybe expect the 10,000 brains
483
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to neatly divide into two groups
according to their sex.
484
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,560
But what Dr Christelle discovered
was a surprise.
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00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,120
So in our study,
what we managed to show was that
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approximately 25% mapped onto
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the male end of a continuum,
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and approximately 25% mapped onto
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the female end of the continuum.
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The really interesting finding
was that 50% of people
491
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,880
had what we call
an androgynous brain,
492
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,520
and didn't show any of these
493
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,920
very stereotypical
male and female traits.
494
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,240
So the majority don't have brains
that are clearly male or female.
495
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,480
They're somewhere in between.
496
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,360
The brain, in terms of sex,
is a spectrum.
497
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,760
And that's not all.
498
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,920
We also showed that the 50%
that had the androgynous brain
499
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,400
actually had better mental health,
500
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,400
specifically internalising symptoms
such as depression and anxiety.
501
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,640
Both the female and male ends of the
spectrum had worse mental health.
502
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,720
The study showed people
with more androgynous brains
503
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,360
are happier and healthier.
504
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,800
All things, considered, I would
choose a slice from this cake.
505
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,600
It's dropping. Sorry!
506
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,520
I think it is way too easily seen
for most
507
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,800
as black and white, male and female.
508
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,080
It's so much more dynamic...
509
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,160
and interesting and fascinating
than just what it is.
510
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,680
But it's so much more complicated
511
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,200
than just the simple way
that you're born.
512
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,400
The whole thing is so archaic,
in so many ways.
513
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,120
Okay, story so far:
514
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,840
Rather than being
strictly male or female,
515
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,600
our bodies and our minds
are more fluid and varied
516
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,880
than they ever thought possible.
517
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,840
A massive mix of circumstances
creates millions of unique people
518
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,400
with their own gender identity.
519
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,320
and that's generating
lots of revolutionary ideas
520
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,880
about who you can be in the world.
521
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,880
In Japan,
there's a gender phenomenon
522
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,840
that's grown over the last 15 years.
523
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,880
Touch your tie.
524
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,880
Dansō:
people assigned female at birth
525
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,440
working and often living as men.
526
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,320
I became dansō
when I was about 20 years old.
527
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,800
My identity is complete
when I am dressed as a man.
528
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,560
There are dansō boy-bands,
529
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,200
dansō bars and dansō heartthrobs.
530
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,680
But behind the showbiz glitz
of dansō as entertainment,
531
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,560
lies a really authentic way of life.
532
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,200
Meet Jin,
who lives as a dansō full-time.
533
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,160
Welcome.
534
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,160
I usually explain that I live
my daily life behaving as a man,
535
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,960
while acknowledging
that I am female.
536
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,240
In the past, in Japanese society,
537
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,280
men should be like this,
538
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,200
and women should be like this.
539
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,600
I feel there's a lot of pressure.
540
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,840
I don't like it, I think it's wrong.
541
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,880
Like many dansō,
Jin works as an escort.
542
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,400
A strictly non-sexual one,
playing the perfect boyfriend.
543
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,960
Jin's got an escort date tonight.
544
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,280
-Ayaka?
-Yes.
545
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,000
Good evening.
Nice to meet you. I'm Jin.
546
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,080
-Are you nervous?
-I am nervous.
547
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,760
It looks so good.
548
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,720
I'd love to hear
what you've been up to.
549
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,800
I work in sales.
550
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,440
I think that most women
have a strong desire to be heard.
551
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,880
Cheers.
552
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,680
Because I was born female,
553
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,160
I know what a woman wants.
554
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,600
It certainly seems Jin knows
how to make a woman feel special.
555
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,000
But I'm curious to know
556
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,920
whether wearing masculine clothing
is enough for him.
557
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,480
There was a time
558
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,520
when I wondered
if I was transgender.
559
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,920
There are parts of me
that are female,
560
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,640
I can live as a dansō,
561
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,000
so I decided not to have surgery.
562
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,920
I am going to live with both the
inner part of me that is masculine,
563
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,800
and the feminine part of me,
564
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,520
That's what feels right to me.
565
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,840
I think it's a new form,
566
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,880
a new way of belonging.
567
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,920
I totally get why the dansō
want to live and dress like men.
568
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,480
So far, I've only expressed my more
masculine side through what I wear.
569
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,960
I've never quite worked out whether
I should go further than that.
570
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,520
I'm going on a date Wednesday night,
571
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,320
so what are we doing on Thursday?
572
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,600
Oh, my God, you'll never escape.
573
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,040
When I first started learning
about trans people,
574
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,800
I was like,
"Wait, but I...felt that,"
575
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,800
or "I went through that
when I was young,"
576
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,320
or "that's kind of crazy..."
577
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,960
And then thinking,
"Am I living a lie?"
578
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,080
"Is this this giant secret
that maybe I should be a man?"
579
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,800
And then like, but also, "No."
580
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,200
Alfie...
581
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,760
I love him so much.
582
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,560
What would it be like
to have a man's body?
583
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,000
And is that me?
584
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,680
That's a tough question to answer.
585
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,080
There's someone in Spain
who can give me a taste
586
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,360
of what that might feel like.
587
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,000
This lushly-coiffed
cognitive neuroscientist,
588
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,480
Dr Marte Roel Lesur,
589
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,280
is the brains
of a cutting-edge laboratory
590
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,600
packed with very cool tech.
591
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,720
Welcome to the gender swap.
592
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,680
It's just so cool.
593
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,720
I'm very excited. Can we do it now?
594
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,120
Ready?
595
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,520
You can sit down here.
596
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,040
Here comes the curtain.
Say goodbye to yourselves.
597
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:40,360
Apparently, I'm going to swap bodies
598
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,240
with the guy
sitting opposite me, Carlos.
599
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,640
I don't know why,
I'm a little scared.
600
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,440
My VR headset
is not showing my body,
601
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,640
it's showing his, on me.
602
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:03,240
They have a camera in front
so they can see their full bodies.
603
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,520
What we do is swap the cameras.
604
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,120
The sensation
is making me feel queasy.
605
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,000
But my head is actually starting
to get in sync with this male body.
606
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,240
My God, this is so weird.
607
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,400
Cara will see how we grab
his hand, and stroke it,
608
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,480
And at the same time, my colleague
is stroking Cara's hand.
609
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,880
It really feels like
I'm in the body of a man.
610
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,280
I've got man hands!
611
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,040
No way!
612
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,040
That is crazy, guys.
613
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:03,800
We open a curtain that is separating
614
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,600
the space between the two people,
615
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,280
and they face themselves
as another person.
616
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,000
This is your hand.
This one, right here.
617
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,800
-No, so confusing.
-This one.
618
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,200
What?
619
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,080
I feel like I've become Carlos.
620
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,440
Dude, this is crazy.
621
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,720
Our self identity,
the way we perceive ourselves,
622
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,920
is very grounded on our bodies.
623
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,200
However,
it is possible to shift this,
624
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,960
to feel that we are somebody else,
something else.
625
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,480
This tells us that gender
is much more fluid,
626
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,520
it's not as fixed
as we once thought.
627
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,360
I'm so confused.
628
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,080
That's so weird.
629
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,400
The coolest thing
in the world... oh, my God.
630
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,360
The experiment is short
631
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,440
but so intense
and completely mind-bending.
632
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,080
That was so crazy.
633
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,760
I knew it was going to be amazing
634
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,720
I just didn't understand
exactly how crazy that was.
635
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,120
-That was.
-Yeah, it's really a lot.
636
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,120
There is a moment when you lose
your perspective as your body,
637
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,800
and then you are
fully into that body.
638
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,640
Once you're in it for a while,
it's like, wow,
639
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,040
you get so used to it.
640
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,240
How come I've got such muscly legs?
641
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,040
It's like, that's me but then...
how to feel me?
642
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,840
You know? It's...
643
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,600
But it was emotional at the end,
644
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,760
when you see yourself
and hug yourself.
645
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,640
It's quite shocking, yes.
646
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,920
That really made me feel quite sad,
it was like, that's adorable.
647
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,400
That was just so scary,
and so interesting.
648
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,040
I don't know how much I liked it,
it was quite uncomfortable.
649
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,560
The feeling, the sensation
of touching someone,
650
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,960
that's when it became real,
651
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,280
otherwise it was
"This is cool, technology..."
652
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,320
But when you touch...
653
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,800
it was "I'm in a man's body!"
It was really quite crazy.
654
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,200
It made me happy to be a woman,
in so many ways.
655
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,960
It was like, I'm weird.
656
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,600
Because usually I...
but would I want to look at my dick?
657
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,440
And it was like, not really.
658
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,680
It made me feel weird.
659
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,000
Trying to be a man, I realised...
660
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,080
I was a lot more feminine in the way
that I move than I thought I was.
661
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,920
I am a she, right now.
662
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,280
But I also like dressing as a man
and being a him.
663
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,560
I could just be a woman
that wants to be a man sometimes.
664
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,360
I know I started this journey
as a slightly confused young woman,
665
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,440
not quite sure
of my place in the world.
666
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,920
But this bizarre experience
is making me realise
667
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:12,560
that gender is way more interesting
and fluid than I ever imagined.
668
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,680
Maybe I don't have to
put a label on myself.
669
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,480
I'm in my home town, London!
670
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,080
I'm ending this journey
where I started,
671
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,920
with the fabulous folk
at cabaret night Bar Wotever.
672
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,040
A very, very special haven where,
673
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,360
gender-wise, you can literally be
whatever you want.
674
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,800
Tell me what it's like.
I've never been here.
675
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,400
-I'm...
-Your first time.
676
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,600
Bar Wotever is...The name says it,
677
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,840
it's a night that we put on
where everything's welcome.
678
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,120
All you have to do
is walk through the door
679
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,920
and there is a room, a whole
community of people right there.
680
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,160
-It's so incredible.
-That's so cool.
681
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,680
How do you...
What are your pronouns?
682
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,160
They, them, she, her.
683
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,040
He, him, they, them.
684
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,480
They, them.
685
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,560
She, her, she-daddy.
686
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,320
She-daddy, I like that.
687
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,080
I feel it's going to make
a lot of people happy when they...
688
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,840
I like that.
689
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,120
There's no pressure, everything
should be allowed to be fluid.
690
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,600
You can try pronouns,
try different names,
691
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,440
different expressions.
692
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,640
There's just
so much freedom within it.
693
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:27,960
Especially at a night like this,
it's just freedom.
694
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,360
It's liberating
to now feel able to talk about
695
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,760
this tricky subject
that I used to just run away from.
696
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,520
This is the place to see,
both on and off stage,
697
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,040
just how diverse gender can be.
698
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,400
Ladies, gentlemen,
and those of us smart enough
699
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,720
to transcend a gender.
700
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,440
Come on, it's time for the world
to open up its arms to gender
701
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,560
in all of its fantastic forms.
702
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,640
People need to have
conversations about gender,
703
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:10,160
no matter where you're from,
how old you are.
704
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,640
So let's talk about it.
705
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:17,480
Now I feel like I dance between
the lines, I sway back and forward.
706
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,200
Whether it's masculine or feminine,
it's just who I am.
707
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,200
I'm a loose willow tree,
blowing in the wind of gender.
708
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,960
I don't think there are actually
words to express how freeing,
709
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,040
and how "right"
I feel in myself now.
710
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,320
I've realised that
gender has no signifier
711
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,560
on how you look, how you talk,
what you do with your life.
712
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,280
I don't think
it should matter at all,
713
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,920
people should just be people.
714
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,600
despite
what their gender is, or isn't,
715
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,720
I hope that in the future,
716
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,320
we can all exist
in the same space together.
717
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,400
And every single gender expression
is completely valid.
718
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,800
I'm just living off
this queer energy.
719
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,040
It's a beautiful place.
720
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,520
I've never really been out
and seen this community in this way.
721
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,440
It's a lot of emotion,
a lot of support, a lot of love.
722
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,240
People can feel very weighed down
by a conversation about gender.
723
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,320
But it is fun, it should be fun,
it should be an experience,
724
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,280
an experiment, a way of expressing
yourself and playing with it.
725
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,640
Can I go back in?
726
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,240
Okay, here I go, I'm going...
727
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,240
Planet Sex, yeah!
728
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,960
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