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OK, so we are talking about copywriting
for lead generation today.
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My name is Andrew Yedlin.
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We have a ton of content, so I'll just
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breeze through my bio real quick.
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I'm a conversion copywriter mostly for
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business to business in SaaS companies,
but do not worry if those are not your
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audiences. Everything I'm going to teach you today
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applies to BCB, whatever the case may be.
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Don't worry about it.
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Everything we're going to cover applies
to all of those audiences.
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I've worked with companies of all sizes
from bootstrappers to small and medium
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sized agencies as well as the big huge
publicly traded companies.
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And I focus on data-driven copywriting
for the whole funnel.
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And that's really what we're going to be
talking about today.
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So I'm not going to spend any more time
on that since it's covered in the
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content. So here's what you're going to learn
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today by the end of this class.
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I want you guys to know how to get people
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to open, click and convert using the
words in your funnel.
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How to outline effective messaging for
that full funnel?
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And how to avoid the most common mistakes
that kill conversions?
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So strategy and planning, sometimes
people want to skip through that and get
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straight to the writing.
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Please do not do that.
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This is where the difference between
successful copy and copy that fails it's
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made is in the strategy and planning.
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Phase of your of your campaign and.
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What I'm going to do is I'm going to give
you a template, a little toolkit that you
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can use once we've covered strategy and
planning that is going to make figuring
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out what to say so much easier.
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So please do not skip this section I've
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promised, I promised to, you know,
include a lot of examples and make sure
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that we're not just stuffing theory land.
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We're going to get into the nitty gritty
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as well.
Again, there's going to be a lot of
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content, so if this starts to overwhelm
you and you feel like you can't keep it
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all straight, here's the one thing that
you can keep in mind.
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What does your prospect need to hear
right now, in that exact moment, to make
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them take the next step in the customer
journey?
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There are a million different things that
you could say about your product or your
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service. You're not going to fit all of that in a
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single email or in a Facebook ad.
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Even your website is probably not going
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to fit.
Every single thing that you've ever
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wanted to say.
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So at each moment, at each step of the
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funnel, you always need to bring it back
to what does that prospect need to hear
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right now in this moment just to take
that next step?
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So again, before you write, there are.
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Five things that you really have to know
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about your audience.
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And you don't want to start writing
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before you know these things and we're
going to go into detail on each of these.
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So it's stage of awareness, pain points,
desires, hesitations or anxieties and
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beliefs and we're going to take these one
by one, starting with the biggest one,
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which is stage of awareness in my
opinion.
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If there is a key to copywriting, it is
this concept, especially in funnels
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because in a funnel.
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It's all about meeting a prospect
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wherever, whatever their current
awareness is.
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It's about matching your messages for
that stage of awareness and then building
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that, building that awareness and as they
move through the funnel and become
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someone who is ready to buy from you.
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And I always think of it always reminds
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me of the matrix.
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Once I started to really understand this
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concept, when I would be, you know, when
I'm online social media and I see all the
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ads that are thrown at me, or when I'm
walking, you know, I'm in the subway and
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I see ads, I always find myself sort of
breaking down.
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Ok, what stage of awareness is this
targeted to?
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And all in all, even if you don't
consider yourself a writer, this concept
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will make you a better marketer because
you're going to see the strategy behind
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everything so much clearer.
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And as a bonus, it's when I give you the
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template at the end of this section, it's
also going to help you understand exactly
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what do prospects need to hear when
they're in different stages of awareness.
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So let's get into the details so you can
start to see what I mean by that.
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So there are five stages of awareness.
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These were identified by absolute Genius
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named Eugene Schwartz in a book he wrote
called Breakthrough Advertising.
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It's kind of like a copywriting Bible for
a lot of copywriters I know.
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And this is a spectrum.
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So there are five stages of awareness and
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people can be kind of in between.
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So don't get too hung up on categorizing
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your prospects, you know, purely in one
of these categories.
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So let's go through what each of these
stages mean and we're going to sort of
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work our way backwards.
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We're going to start with someone who is
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most aware and then work our way
backwards towards people who have.
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Very low awareness and don't seem to
know.
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Ok so most aware this is from the from
the prospects perspective.
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They are thinking something along the
lines of I think your product will help
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me, I just need to know the deal.
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So where is an example of where we might
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encounter someone like that?
So just as an example that I pulled from
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my own inbox is a cart abandonment email.
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The subject line was tickets are still
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waiting for you and they sent me
Ticketmaster sent me this really simple
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email to see.
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Tickets they're basically they don't
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really need to sell me on why I need to
go out to an event or why I should go see
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this particular group perform.
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They are just trying to give me the final
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details and a little nudge and a little
reminder to get me to pull the trigger
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and make that purchase.
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So now moving backwards a little bit.
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Less aware than most aware is product
aware.
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This is someone who knows about your
product, but they aren't sure that it's
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right for them.
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So an example of how we might encounter
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someone like that, maybe on a pricing
page, someone might be in product and a
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product aware stage.
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They know a decent amount about your
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product and right now they're really just
trying to figure out if it is right for
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them or not.
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Maybe they're doing that on a pricing
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page, you know, what can I afford?
How does this compare to some of the
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other solutions I've seen?
Another example that I pulled was here
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from this GEICO ad.
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Geico is relying on, you know, if you
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live in the US, you know what GEICO is
and I don't, I don't know if they're
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international, maybe they are, but if
they're not, if you're in the US, you
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know who GEICO is.
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They are relying on the fact that people
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really do know a lot about them already,
so they're when they're doing their.
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Promotions on LinkedIn.
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They might often be focusing on a product
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aware audience who is already understands
the product but might not know enough
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about it to want to buy.
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All right, now things start to get more
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interesting, especially for lead
generation because most aware and product
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aware. Those are those people have enough
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awareness that they might already be
leads for you, right?
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And when you're trying to capture new
leads, a lot of those people might be in
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a lower phase of awareness, like solution
or pain aware.
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So starting with solution aware, this is
someone who knows what outcome they want,
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but they're not sure if they don't know
if your product will provide it.
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And there's a really good chance in
solution aware that they aren't aware of
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your product at all.
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It sort of depends on the situation, but
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let's look at an example here.
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So here in AdWords when someone is
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looking for the again here best ways to
automate marketing, it's like I know what
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kind of outcome I want, I know I want
some sort of way to make my marketing
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faster or to make it some, you know,
something that I don't have to spend as
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much time doing.
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And you see this first ad here, best
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marketing automation, compare the top 6
platforms.
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And what they're doing there is that
they're aware that people are searching
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for multiple solutions.
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They're not banking on us knowing who
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they are.
They're giving us an invitation to see
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the landscape by saying compare the top
six platforms.
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They know that that's where my mind is
right now.
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My mind isn't.
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To pick a marketing automation tool
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necessarily. At this point I'm just starting to get a
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feel for what solutions are out there.
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How am I going to get the outcome that I
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know that I want?
Pain aware is someone who knows that they
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have a problem, but they don't know.
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They haven't really started to look for
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something. They don't know the solution is and they
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probably haven't really started to look
for it.
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So this was an example that came across
my Facebook feed.
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I don't know what shift is.
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I'm not really familiar with that
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product. But this first sentence, say goodbye to
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all the browser tabs and windows
cluttering your desktop.
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That is a pain that does resonate with
me.
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So you know if they if this was for me,
this was a good match because they did
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hit me at my current level of awareness,
which was pain aware.
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I wasn't looking for solutions for that,
but I was aware that that's something
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annoying but I don't like dealing with.
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And then finally unaware this is a tricky
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1. This is someone who has thoughts,
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feelings. They have an identity, a sense of
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identity, but they aren't necessarily
aware of any pain, particularly any pain
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that is related to your product.
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So an example here on a social media
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post. I'm not 100 % sure if this is an ad or
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not. But this is something that doesn't seem
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to be framed around any sort of pain or
solution.
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It's really seems to be speaking to
people who maybe identify as someone who
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cares about animal treatment right
they're not trying to solve.
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They're not trying to say.
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They're not trying to get me to fix
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anything right now.
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They're not trying to invite me into any
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sort of solution landscape.
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All they're trying to do is match
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something to the identity of people who
care about animals.
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So this is all filled in right now.
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A couple of notes.
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One payment aware and solution aware very
common start points for each generation.
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And the other thing to keep in mind I
mentioned this earlier, is that this is a
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spectrum. When people first learn this concept,
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they sometimes get really stuck on, oh,
is this someone who is solution aware or
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product aware?
It can.
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People can be on the cusp of two.
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You know, someone can be in late solution
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aware or early product aware.
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You don't have to force every single
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prospect that you're targeting into a
clean category.
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You just want to use this as a guide to
generally know who you're talking to.
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Because as you'll see in a little bit,
that will tell you what kind of message
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is your audience needs to hear in that
moment.
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So again, use this as a guide.
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What's you know what a funnel really is
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it's something that builds awareness as
your customers move through it.
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So when you're targeting people who are
paying aware, by the time they become
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customers, you really have to move them
through those other stages of awareness.
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There's really no way around that.
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You can't really get someone from pain
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aware to make up to make a purchase right
away unless you also bring them through
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solution. Fairness, product awareness and most
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awareness and there certainly are you
know marketing assets that are able to
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take people all the way from pain aware
through most aware in one fell swoop.
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If you're nursing long form sales pages,
those are often designed to do something
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like that.
But more often especially in lead
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generation, I think you're going to find
that you're sort of taking baby steps.
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And the key is again when I said just to
remember one thing.
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Or the one thing that you should remember
if you forget everything else is to focus
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on giving them the message they need to
hear in that moment to take the next step
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umm. You know, maybe we use when you start
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your lead Gen funnel, maybe it starts
with someone who is pain aware and all
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they need in that moment is enough
context and motivation to get whatever
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you're offering them that will bring them
to the solution aware phase.
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So if that didn't make sense, don't worry
about it.
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It's all going to start to become more
clear as we keep going through things
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here. So let me show you a bad example.
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This is an example of someone who tried
to send a message for one stage of
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awareness to someone who was actually in
another stage of awareness.
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And that person was me.
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So this email showed up in my inbox.
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Chris from magoosh.
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You deserve a discount.
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Hi there.
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Great news.
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That's all I can see from my inbox.
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The problem is.
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I don't know what magoosh is.
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I don't know who Chris from Magoosh is,
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and I don't understand what the discount
was for.
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I'm not really sure how I ended up on
their list.
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But the point is, this might have been
effective messaging if it had come from,
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say, my favorite food delivery service.
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If this was, you know, Chris from grub
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hub and it says you deserve a discount,
well, I'm going to open that email
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because I know what that is and I want
and I know that I want a discount.
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So this is an example of someone who
really missed the mark.
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I'm not going to open that email because
it's for it did not speak to where I was
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in that moment.
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It didn't take my awareness into account.
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So this is the payoff for the stage of
awareness for you guys paying attention
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to the stage of awareness.
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If you guys go to andrew yedlin dot com
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slash feed out, there's a toolkit there
that include includes this.
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And another thing that I'll go over later
and what's so cool about this is that it
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shows you exactly what messages people
need to hear for different depending on
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what stage of awareness they're in.
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So if someone happens to be in the
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solution aware phase, you can go here and
say, OK, here are the different ways that
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I can start that message and here might
be some important messages to include.
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Maybe at this point I need to show them
how the solution will solve their pain,
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whereas in the problem aware stage
they're not ready for that information
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yet. They're they need me to build more
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empathy and start to tell them.
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What the solution is less about how it
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works and this is a guide so this is not
something that you know.
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I don't want people to take this and use
it as a checklist like OK, I have to do
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this and I have to lead with this.
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It's really just more of a useful guide.
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When someone's in this stage of
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hooking them.
Here are important messages to get to
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give them enough context and motivation
to move to that next stage.
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So please do go there and grab that
toolkit.
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Moving along, let's talk about paint umm.
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On the on the surface level, you know,
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every marketer probably realizes at this
point that you should know what problems
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and pain points those people have.
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Something that gets overlooked a lot is
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what do those problems look like.
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So there's a big difference between
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saying I'm having trouble falling asleep.
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Or your prospects having trouble falling
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asleep and saying that your prospect is
having trouble falling asleep.
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They're tossing and turning all night.
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They are waking up their partner.
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They're staring at the clock.
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People at work are telling them they have
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bags under their eyes.
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They're taking Tylenol, PM you know,
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whatever it might be.
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When you are writing your copy, and we'll
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talk about this later, knowing not just
what problems they have but what that
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pain looks like is going to make your
copy so much more effective.
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Because it's going to let you build
empathy, and it's also going to let you
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tap into the pain that they feel and
really get them eager to find a solution
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to that pain desires.
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What do they want?
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No, really.
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What do they want?
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And no what do they really want?
And the way the reason that I phrased
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things like this is because, again, there
is a circus level desire, maybe it's a,
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let's say you're selling a business to
business solution and you're thinking,
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OK, this is for someone who wants a
specific business outcome.
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Let's say it's a marketing director who
wants more leads, for example.
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And you say, OK, that's the core desire.
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They want more it's.
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But if you dig deeper, there's probably a
deeper motivation there that you can tap
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into. So maybe it's not that the marketing
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director wants more leads.
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Maybe it's that she wants to be seen as a
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success by her boss or her leadership
team so that she can be promoted and
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eventually join the leadership team.
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Excuse me.
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So if we think of our friend Charlie
Bucket here from Willy Wonka, on the
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surface level, it's like he wants candy,
right?
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He sees all these kids getting candy.
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He wants candy too.
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But if you drill a little bit deeper, it
seems that Charlie actually just wants to
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have the same, you know, he just wants to
have a better life.
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He just wants to have the same kind of
life that he sees all the kids around him
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having. And again, when you get really deep.
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And you know on a very deep level what
they're, what your prospects desires are,
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your messaging becomes so much more
powerful because you're not just tapping
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into something that they want
superficially, you're tapping into
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something that is deeply, deeply
important to them.
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And we'll talk about how to get that
information in a little bit hesitations.
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Time and cost are very common
hesitations, so you know those are
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important things to address.
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But you can go a lot deeper than that.
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What else might stop someone from
choosing your solution?
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umm. You know one and you have to really
talk to your customers to uncover this
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kind of stuff.
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But you know, what about what if what if
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someone believes that they've already
tried everything?
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So maybe their hesitation with your
product is.
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I feel like I've already tried everything
your solution could never work because
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I've done everything right.
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So that that's one form that kind of
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hesitation could take where you know,
let's say you're selling some sort of
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software and they hate believe, I don't
think that there is any software that can
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actually do what I needed to.
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beliefs, which leads us nicely into this
next section.
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You want to know what the what your
prospects believe about themselves, what
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they believe about the world, and what
they believe about your product.
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And this stuff is crucial because as
you're moving through someone through
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your funnel, they might have beliefs that
are incompatible with them taking one of
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your offers.
And so as they move through your funnel,
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you have to change their beliefs.
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So how do we learn all this stuff?
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How do we know what pains, desires,
beliefs, hesitations, stage of awareness?
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Have we learned all this stuff?
The best ways are with.
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There are tons of ways.
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But the best ways, in my opinion, are
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with surveys, interviews.
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And this isn't necessarily how to learn
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about your audience, but maybe how to
gosh right how to learn this stuff about
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your audience?
please. So how do we learn this stuff
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about your audience?
The two best ways, in my opinion, are
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with surveys and with interviews.
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a lot of times you're going to be basing
that off of your targeting.
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So that's not necessarily a way to learn
about your audience, but it is a way to
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think about what you, what your messages
need to be for that audience.
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So let's take these one by one.
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Let's talk about.
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What you need to uncover from surveys and
interviews.
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And this is a huge topic and i'm really
only going to be able to touch on it
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here, but i want to see people go, you
know, a lot of times I'll get results
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from a client, from a customer survey
that they ran.
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And a lot of the questions are like,
what's your favorite thing about X or
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what is your favorite feature?
And that's fine.
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That's good stuff to know.
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It's important something that goes, gets
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overlooked is like what happened before
that person became a customer.
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What drove them to seek a solution in the
first place?
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What were they?
How were they solving the problem before
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they bought the product or the solution?
And sometimes that means that they were
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doing nothing.
Sometimes it means that they hired an
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intern to do it.
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Sometimes it means that they are doing
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something in spreadsheets.
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There are all sorts of things that people
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can be doing to solve the problem that
aren't a direct competitor of yours.
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So just really get a feel for what their
life is like before they brought that.
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Before they bought that product, how they
were solving the problem, if they were
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solving it at all.
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And also remember as knowing hesitation,
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super important what concerns do you have
about using our product?
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A really good question to ask after
somebody opts in on one of your offers,
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let's say right after they become a
customer.
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You can have a little question on that
confirmation landing page that says what
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almost stopped you from.
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Purchasing today or what almost stopped
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you from signing up today?
It's a good way to uncover some
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hesitations that the people who aren't
signing up might have.
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So you can address those hesitations up
front and hopefully get more people
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through the funnel that way.
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So we we've talked about using surveys
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and interviews to uncover pains, desires
and hesitations.
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But one other thing that's important is
also knowing the priorities and the
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hierarchy. So for example, someone might want, let's
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say that your product saves someone time
and money.
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Chances are that your best customers
prioritize one of those over the other,
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that they care more about saving time,
thinking about saving money, or vice
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versa. And it's really important to know these
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things because when you are writing
messages throughout your funnel, you have
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to be able to cut through the noise and
everything else that they are all the
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other messages that they're exposed to
and hit them with the thing that they
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care most.
Yeah, I think it's most likely to get
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their attention, or to get an emotional,
positive emotional response, or whatever
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emotional response you're going for.
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So it's not enough to know the pains,
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desires and hesitations.
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Also really important to know what their
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priorities are and what the hierarchy of
these different ideas is.
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One more note.
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It's important not just to learn what
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they're saying, but also how they're
saying it so.
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If someone is saying that if we go back
to the sleep example, that their pain
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point is that they're having trouble
sleeping, you really want to, whenever
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possible, record the exact words that
your customers are using to describe
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that. Because that gives you that pain.
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Because that gives you the best insight
into what types of words your audience is
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using to think about these problems and
when you reflect those words.
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Back to them and their copy.
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It becomes so much more persuasive
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because you're not just saying something
that matches what they're thinking, but
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it also matches how they're thinking
about it.
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And I wish I had more time to talk about
this, but I don't.
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I'm going to point you to some resources
at the end of this section that will show
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you exactly how to do this.
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In terms of discovering more about your
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audience, there are all sorts of
analytics and other tools that you can
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use to get more of this information.
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Something that I'll do with almost all of
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my clients is I'll get into their
websites, Google Analytics and I'll and
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I'll look at how our people getting to
that page.
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I'll look at the types of queries that
people are using to reach that page.
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So for example, let's say.
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You have.
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Your Google Analytics reveals that people
are that lots and lots of people are
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searching for your product by brand
names.
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They know your brand name when they're
searching.
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That tells you that a lot of your
audience is probably.
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Product aware and that's a different
message than if people are getting to
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your page because they're searching for
something that is more problem oriented.
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So there's a lot that you can learn by
looking at how people get onto your page.
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Umm, you can also look at what pages
they're interacting with, right?
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If someone's looking a lot at your
pricing page, sorry, not if someone.
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But if lots of traffic is going to your
pricing page or your customer page, it
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tells you that those prospects are
probably further down the awareness
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spectrum than people who are maybe just
landing on your home page and leaving
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from there.
Chat logs and polls are a great way to
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get extra information again from your
website or from landing pages.
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Reviewing those chat logs and seeing what
are people asking about.
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It'll tell you so much about awareness
and about pain points and priorities, all
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those kinds of things.
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You can also use polls, so a couple of
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common ones for stage of awareness that
come to mind.
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One might be, had you heard of us before
today, that tells you a lot about
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awareness. What other solutions are you considering
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right now?
Again, how they answer that question
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you'll be able to infer.
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A lot about their awareness and some
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other information from them when you know
that.
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Little bonus here.
472
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:47,570
Something that I like to do a lot is I
473
00:28:47,580 --> 00:28:54,690
like to talk to sales teams because I
find that salespeople can kind of
474
00:28:54,700 --> 00:29:00,690
aggregate the voice of the customer
because they speak to so many of them, so
475
00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:06,210
many prospects of so many customers that
they get very in tune with what with
476
00:29:06,220 --> 00:29:09,340
awareness, pain points, desires they
know.
477
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,720
You know, I'll ask sales teams, hey, what
makes someone's face light up like when.
478
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:16,420
You start talking about X.
479
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,800
What is what is that X that makes people
480
00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:23,390
get excited and really tune in to what
you're listening to, what you're saying
481
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,700
and gets them, gets their ears to perk
up.
482
00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:32,070
All of that information can be super
helpful in understanding those five
483
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,700
things that we've talked about earlier.
484
00:29:35,470 --> 00:29:37,510
And finally using empathy.
485
00:29:39,090 --> 00:29:43,580
Sometimes you don't have access to all of
this stuff and you have to really just
486
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:48,380
sort of use your own emotional
intelligence to kind of figure some of
487
00:29:48,390 --> 00:29:49,210
these things out.
488
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:51,410
It's not necessarily the ideal way to do
489
00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:58,150
it, but you know, if you're creating a,
let's say, a lead magnet ebook for a pain
490
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,980
aware audience, there's a lot that you
can use.
491
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:06,560
There's a lot you can do there to just
sort of put yourself in their shoes and,
492
00:30:07,460 --> 00:30:09,130
you know, think about what they might be.
493
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:12,070
Going through at that stage, so when all
494
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,130
else fails, you can rely on empathy.
495
00:30:14,220 --> 00:30:17,950
But be wary of your opinions because
496
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,250
those can lead you astray.
497
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:22,180
So you know the less data that you're
498
00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:26,500
using, the more you'll want to validate
and test that you are doing the right
499
00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:32,500
thing. So here are some resources for you on
500
00:30:32,510 --> 00:30:33,850
surveys and interviews.
501
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,420
There's a book called Finding the right
502
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:37,530
message by Jennifer Havis.
503
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:39,860
Is a wonderful book, and it's pretty
504
00:30:39,870 --> 00:30:44,540
inexpensive on the Kindle version on
Amazon, you can get it for a few bucks, I
505
00:30:44,550 --> 00:30:46,650
think. Highly recommend it.
506
00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:48,540
And I've had the pleasure of meeting Jen
Havis.
507
00:30:48,550 --> 00:30:49,380
She's wonderful.
508
00:30:50,770 --> 00:30:53,460
Version Excel is one of my favorite
509
00:30:53,470 --> 00:30:56,840
resources for all sorts of digital
marketing stuff.
510
00:30:57,340 --> 00:31:03,530
They have a really good blog post on
voice of customer, and that goes back to
511
00:31:03,540 --> 00:31:06,180
that idea that I was talking about where
it's not just important to know what
512
00:31:06,190 --> 00:31:09,050
they're saying, but also how they're
saying it.
513
00:31:09,060 --> 00:31:13,910
And that article dives into more of the
reasons about why you want to focus not
514
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,940
just on the what, but also on the how.
515
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,770
I also recommend checking out jobs to be
516
00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:21,280
done. Switch interviews.
517
00:31:21,420 --> 00:31:25,240
If you're not familiar with the jobs to
be done framework, that doesn't really
518
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:26,990
matter too much the interviews.
519
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:29,340
If you just look for some templates that
520
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:34,350
have questions, they tend to be very
useful.
521
00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:37,850
That's what I use in all of my client
customer interviews.
522
00:31:38,290 --> 00:31:41,580
So it doesn't matter if you're using
personas and you feel like jobs to be
523
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:43,910
done you know is different framework or
something like that.
524
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:44,760
Doesn't matter.
525
00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:47,160
It works the same way even if you're
526
00:31:47,170 --> 00:31:50,580
using personas.
And then finally some stuff about survey
527
00:31:50,590 --> 00:31:53,110
questions. Check out hot this blog@hotmail.com
528
00:31:54,510 --> 00:31:57,340
They have a lot of good info on survey
questions there.
529
00:31:57,350 --> 00:32:01,970
It's just simply too big of a topic for
me to cover today.
530
00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:05,730
But please do check out these resources,
they're all very valuable.
531
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,500
So we're getting towards the end of
talking about strategy and planning.
532
00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:18,630
What I want you guys to think about now
is how each step of your funnel maps to
533
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,180
the different levels of awareness.
534
00:32:20,190 --> 00:32:22,260
So how are you going to build awareness
535
00:32:22,670 --> 00:32:27,100
through the funnel?
And the way I like to think of it is to
536
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:28,810
always meet them where they are.
537
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:31,160
And then and when I say they, I mean the
538
00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:35,040
prospect need the prospect where they are
and then bring them to where they need to
539
00:32:35,050 --> 00:32:39,680
be, which again is about providing enough
context and motivation for them just to
540
00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:41,460
take that next step.
541
00:32:43,890 --> 00:32:49,340
So the toolkit that you guys can download
542
00:32:49,710 --> 00:32:51,600
is it doesn't have.
543
00:32:51,610 --> 00:32:54,000
It has something similar to this that you
544
00:32:54,010 --> 00:32:54,580
guys can use.
545
00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:56,240
It doesn't quite have a table like this.
546
00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:59,130
You could just make a simple table like
this if you find it helpful.
547
00:33:00,350 --> 00:33:08,520
But the point is for every single step of
the funnel you should know what is the
548
00:33:08,530 --> 00:33:12,590
starting stage of awareness that I'm
targeting and by the time.
549
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,750
They have.
550
00:33:14,510 --> 00:33:17,360
But by the time they you finished
551
00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:23,100
exposing them to that ad or whatever it
might be by the end of that where they
552
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:25,560
need to be in terms of stage of
awareness.
553
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:31,120
And you'll notice that it has to happen
sort of step by step.
554
00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:35,100
And I'm not saying that you can't jump 2
levels of awareness with you know, one
555
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:36,260
email or something like that.
556
00:33:36,270 --> 00:33:38,960
I'm sure it's possible and I'm sure that
557
00:33:38,970 --> 00:33:39,850
could be done.
558
00:33:40,050 --> 00:33:42,910
The point is more that.
559
00:33:43,150 --> 00:33:45,630
You want to make sure that you are.
560
00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:50,060
Not that every that you are addressing,
561
00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:56,230
every stage of awareness from wherever
they start to all the way to most aware.
562
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,100
So this is just an example here is that
it might start out with a Facebook ad
563
00:34:01,110 --> 00:34:06,680
where you're targeting someone who is
paying aware and by the time they have
564
00:34:06,940 --> 00:34:12,489
read that ad and clicked onto the landing
page, you're hoping for them to be
565
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:14,270
solution aware again.
566
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,310
When you use that CHEAT SHEET you will
567
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,960
know what kinds of messages.
568
00:34:18,340 --> 00:34:21,250
Work best for each stage of the funnel
569
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:25,389
and you're, sorry, each stage of
awareness and you'll know, you know what
570
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,100
kind of content might be appropriate at
each stage.
571
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,210
So it's always about meeting them where
they are in that moment and then taking
572
00:34:33,219 --> 00:34:35,500
them to that next step.
573
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,900
Hope that makes sense for everyone.
574
00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:39,500
I'm going to keep going.
575
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,630
So that template, that toolkit that I was
576
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,250
talking about, just go here.
577
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:46,719
It has both the stage of awareness CHEAT
578
00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:54,179
SHEET and the lead generation messaging
tab, brief template I think I called it,
579
00:34:54,659 --> 00:35:00,990
which is just a way for you to fully
think about the strategy behind each step
580
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,300
in your funnel before you start writing.
581
00:35:03,310 --> 00:35:06,610
And I highly recommend doing that rather
582
00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:10,040
than just jumping straight into the
words.
583
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,250
With that being said, good job everyone.
584
00:35:13,260 --> 00:35:14,860
You've made it through the strategy and
585
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:20,110
planning section.
Now it is time to write so.
586
00:35:21,940 --> 00:35:25,780
When it's time to write something, that
is always good to keep in mind right as
587
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:26,900
you're sitting down.
588
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:29,110
Is what you're really selling.
589
00:35:29,330 --> 00:35:33,090
And what you're really selling is not a
product, it is not a service.
590
00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:38,160
It is a better version of the prospect in
the future.
591
00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:39,730
It's a better version of themselves.
592
00:35:39,850 --> 00:35:41,590
It is always that.
593
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,950
Some people have asked me, well, it could
also be a better version of their
594
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,680
business, right?
And I don't really agree with that
595
00:35:48,690 --> 00:35:53,660
because even in business to business,
you're still selling to humans who have
596
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:58,380
their own desires and hesitations and
pain points.
597
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,010
So when you're selling to an
organization, you know that person has
598
00:36:03,020 --> 00:36:05,720
their own motive if they're bringing in
your solution.
599
00:36:07,340 --> 00:36:08,830
That's going to reflect on them.
600
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,450
If they're the ones who champion you're
601
00:36:10,460 --> 00:36:16,120
reflecting your service and the, you
know, when things go really well.
602
00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:19,980
That's not just about the business,
that's also about what that does for that
603
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:25,500
person's career, how it makes other
people in the organization see that.
604
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,120
So you're always selling to people.
605
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,910
Even if you're selling to a business,
606
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,610
you're still selling it to people at the
business and you're selling these people
607
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:36,300
a better version of themselves.
608
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,830
Nobody, even in business nobody's going
609
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,760
to buy a product if they think that it's
going to automate their job and get them
610
00:36:43,770 --> 00:36:47,900
laid off, right?
You're still selling to humans and you
611
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:50,910
have to focus on selling them a better
version of themselves.
612
00:36:52,420 --> 00:36:56,220
So a couple of things.
613
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:59,930
First, a lot of people who aren't
614
00:37:00,010 --> 00:37:02,580
copywriters, and even copywriters all the
time.
615
00:37:02,590 --> 00:37:06,370
You sit down, it's time to write, and you
get stuck.
616
00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:07,710
You don't know what to say.
617
00:37:08,030 --> 00:37:09,890
People call it writers block.
618
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:15,760
Some people call it the blinking cursor
of death blanks, blank page syndrome,
619
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:16,780
whatever it might be.
620
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:18,540
So I want to introduce these two
621
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:20,790
structures to you that you may have heard
of.
622
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,110
For the primary reason is that it gives
you a starting point, so it makes it easy
623
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,200
to sit down and write when you have a
structure.
624
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:33,160
But the other thing is that these are
proven persuasive frameworks.
625
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:37,120
We just know that they work because
they've been used for so long.
626
00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:40,840
I've been tested so many times that we
just know that they're persuasive.
627
00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:49,570
The first one is called PAS and the
second one is called AIDA or EDA, and
628
00:37:49,660 --> 00:37:52,140
there is no shame in using.
629
00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:54,500
Reusing these structures over and over,
630
00:37:54,510 --> 00:38:00,840
I've probably written entire email
sequences that only used PS just over and
631
00:38:00,850 --> 00:38:04,700
over. It's not really repetitive, people aren't
632
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:08,610
going to notice that it's repetitive, and
you know you're not trying to win any
633
00:38:08,730 --> 00:38:10,570
prizes for creativity here.
634
00:38:10,850 --> 00:38:13,230
You're just trying to get the work done
635
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:15,230
in an effective way.
636
00:38:15,350 --> 00:38:18,590
And people copywriters rely on these two
637
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,650
frameworks all the time.
638
00:38:20,660 --> 00:38:21,970
These aren't the only two, they're just
639
00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:22,580
two of the most.
640
00:38:22,590 --> 00:38:23,460
Common ones.
641
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:27,750
And there's no shame in using these, so
let's break these down.
642
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,500
So PS stands for problem agitation
solution.
643
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,950
And what do we mean by that?
We mean that you need to hook their
644
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,760
attention with their problem by starting
with their problem.
645
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:45,170
You need to agitate that which means you
want to spark emotion and build empathy
646
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:51,540
by really painting the picture of what
their problem actually looks like.
647
00:38:51,550 --> 00:38:57,320
So again, if you remember back to the
example I gave about someone who can't
648
00:38:57,330 --> 00:39:01,440
sleep, so their problem might be that
they can't sleep agitating it might sound
649
00:39:01,450 --> 00:39:06,760
like, you know, tossing and turning,
keeping your partner up all night, coming
650
00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:10,230
into work and getting questions about why
your eyes look puffy.
651
00:39:10,810 --> 00:39:14,560
All sorts of things like that might be
agitation and then you promise to solve
652
00:39:14,570 --> 00:39:18,190
the pain and that's usually your offer or
your solution.
653
00:39:18,210 --> 00:39:22,420
So that might be your product or earlier
in the funnel.
654
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:27,260
It might be you know, whatever you're
trying to give away as an early offer
655
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:30,690
just to get people into the funnel to
begin with.
656
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:36,320
So let's look at an example of PAS in the
wild.
657
00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:37,120
This is an email.
658
00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:39,060
I believe this came from a better
659
00:39:39,070 --> 00:39:42,360
proposal. So a company who sell software that helps
660
00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:48,520
agencies and freelancers sell their
services to other people through their
661
00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:53,090
proposals. And they've led with this problem that
662
00:39:53,490 --> 00:40:00,120
all freelancers and agency salespeople
are familiar with, which is having sent a
663
00:40:00,130 --> 00:40:05,850
proposal and then having to wait through
that uncomfortable period where you are
664
00:40:05,860 --> 00:40:07,310
wondering what's going on.
665
00:40:08,290 --> 00:40:10,130
And so they've started with the problem,
666
00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:12,620
Now what?
You've sent the proposal, now what?
667
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:17,310
And then they're starting to agitate it
with all of these questions that people
668
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:20,070
are that their prospects are probably
wondering.
669
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,410
I've sent proposals before and I've
wondered all these things like they even
670
00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:28,070
open that they really get and bonus
points for them for saying did they get
671
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,190
sticker shock because they could have
said.
672
00:40:32,090 --> 00:40:36,830
It wasn't too expensive, but actually I
probably would have used the word sticker
673
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,650
shock, so bonus points to them first, for
speaking my language.
674
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,580
Is the deal dead?
Waiting for this information can be hard,
675
00:40:44,590 --> 00:40:46,230
especially with the Big deal on the
table.
676
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,520
So that's a lot of agitation.
677
00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:49,330
They've really drawn a full picture.
678
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,850
One, to show me to build empathy, to show
me that they that they understand it, and
679
00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:59,220
two, to remind to make me feel the full
pain of my problem.
680
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,650
They're not creating the pain, they're
just agitating.
681
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,940
By painting that picture of what it's
like for me.
682
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,360
And then finally at the end, thankfully,
you know, here's their solution.
683
00:41:09,370 --> 00:41:15,360
Thankfully we notify you, so they're now
introducing how they solve the problem
684
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:19,540
for you.
And also, when people learn PS, they can
685
00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:21,950
get hung up on using it perfectly.
686
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,990
Like is this supposed to be over the
687
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,470
course of a whole landing page or am I
supposed to use this in the headline or
688
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,010
what?
What happens if there's something before
689
00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:34,050
problem?
You can tweak things.
690
00:41:34,060 --> 00:41:40,610
This is from base camps homepage, so they
have a really solid PS framework here.
691
00:41:40,620 --> 00:41:43,220
All growing businesses run into the same
problem.
692
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:47,500
They're agitating it not just with the
copy, but also with the imagery here.
693
00:41:48,930 --> 00:41:53,640
They might win an award here for some of
the best agitation illustration or really
694
00:41:53,650 --> 00:41:58,500
enjoy that one, right?
And then they solve them with this.
695
00:41:58,510 --> 00:42:02,440
They introduced the solution that is
going to solve all of those problems.
696
00:42:02,450 --> 00:42:06,380
But then what do you notice here with
we've been expecting you, hey, that
697
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:08,910
doesn't fit into the PS framework.
698
00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:10,510
That is OK.
699
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,780
They have, for whatever reason they've
chosen.
700
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:17,260
They decided that some other headline is
more effective.
701
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:20,080
Hopefully they've done a lot of testing
so they know this works.
702
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:25,810
But the point is, I don't want people to
feel trapped like, Oh no i did PS.
703
00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:28,530
So we can't possibly put something in
front of that.
704
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,500
You totally can.
705
00:42:30,780 --> 00:42:33,030
It is an effective framework, but it's
706
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,990
also a flexible framework.
707
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,490
So you can use it in a way that works for
708
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:42,280
you. And again, in terms of where you use
709
00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:46,990
this, you could use this all in headline
or in Hero section, the way that they the
710
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,160
way that base camp has done it here.
711
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,960
Or you can also do it over the course.
712
00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:54,620
Of an entire page.
713
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:56,750
You know, maybe there's a paragraph about
714
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,510
the problem, paragraph of agitation,
paragraph about the solution.
715
00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:04,020
Maybe it all happens in one paragraph,
maybe it all happens in one sentence.
716
00:43:04,030 --> 00:43:06,070
There are a lot of different ways to do
it.
717
00:43:06,330 --> 00:43:10,960
You could have 5 to 10 different
variations of PAS on the same page.
718
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:13,810
Maybe it's a very flexible framework.
719
00:43:14,130 --> 00:43:17,370
And don't worry about did I do this the
720
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:21,750
right way?
Just use it however works for you.
721
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,110
And of course, always test.
722
00:43:24,660 --> 00:43:28,090
So moving on to the second most popular
723
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:31,290
framework. It's what is Ada.
724
00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:37,070
It stands for attention, interest, desire
and action.
725
00:43:37,210 --> 00:43:40,900
So what do we mean by that?
We mean need to capture the prospects
726
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:43,630
attention. You need to build interest and build
727
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,250
desire and you need to move them to
action.
728
00:43:49,390 --> 00:43:53,940
So quick side note, if you've seen the
movie Glengarry Glen Ross, there is a
729
00:43:53,950 --> 00:44:00,080
really famous scene where Alec Baldwin
tells us that Ada is attention, interest,
730
00:44:00,090 --> 00:44:01,950
decision, action.
731
00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:04,710
He's wrong.
732
00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:06,400
It's desire, not decision.
733
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:09,690
So just trust me on that one.
734
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:12,450
Now let's look at ADA in the wild.
735
00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:14,480
This is another email that i got.
736
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:19,440
This one I believe is from a Weber, the
email automation.
737
00:44:19,450 --> 00:44:20,720
Platform not sure.
738
00:44:21,590 --> 00:44:23,480
And let's take a look at how they did
739
00:44:23,490 --> 00:44:26,020
this. So they've grabbed my attention with this
740
00:44:26,030 --> 00:44:29,900
headline. They've built interest and desire by
741
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:32,890
showing me these different benefits and
outcomes and possibilities.
742
00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:40,250
And finally, they have driven me to
action by showing me how I can get all of
743
00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:43,820
these things that they've already got me
interested and desiring.
744
00:44:46,610 --> 00:44:50,290
One thing, another way that people get
hung up on this stuff is they get really
745
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:51,440
stuck on this whole.
746
00:44:51,450 --> 00:44:52,460
Like interest.
747
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:54,290
Like build interest then build desire.
748
00:44:55,410 --> 00:44:57,330
Really don't worry about it.
749
00:44:57,340 --> 00:45:00,280
You can kind of put interest and desire
together.
750
00:45:01,050 --> 00:45:05,560
You might be like in this case, you start
building interest and desire from the
751
00:45:05,570 --> 00:45:08,710
same moment that you start grabbing
attention so.
752
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,320
It doesn't have to be like this is
attention only, but we will not build
753
00:45:13,330 --> 00:45:14,620
desire or interest.
754
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,020
Then we will move into the part where we
755
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:18,070
build interest and desire.
756
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,410
It doesn't work that way.
757
00:45:19,820 --> 00:45:25,530
The point, the most important points here
are that you need to lead by capturing
758
00:45:25,540 --> 00:45:29,200
attention, because if you don't capture
attention, nothing else happens.
759
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,130
And then you also have to move people to
act.
760
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:35,950
So those two bookends are the most
important part of the framework and
761
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,320
interest and desire can happen really at.
762
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,330
Anytime in between or during.
763
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:45,110
So again, do not get too hung up on that.
764
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:48,230
So let's break this down just a little
765
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,030
bit more.
So how are they capturing my attention?
766
00:45:51,110 --> 00:45:52,110
A couple ways.
767
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:54,870
Some things that I noticed.
768
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,820
First of all, it's something that is
relevant to me because this is the world
769
00:45:58,830 --> 00:45:59,770
I work in.
770
00:46:00,410 --> 00:46:03,000
It has something highly desirable to me
771
00:46:03,010 --> 00:46:05,060
in it.
I like the idea of being able to
772
00:46:05,070 --> 00:46:09,570
supercharge my marketing and they're also
using that word supercharged.
773
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,620
Very powerful and interesting verb.
774
00:46:12,310 --> 00:46:14,960
That probably drew some extra attention
775
00:46:14,970 --> 00:46:15,620
to this headline.
776
00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:17,670
There's something about powerful verbs
777
00:46:18,590 --> 00:46:21,490
that are exciting and attention
capturing.
778
00:46:22,310 --> 00:46:28,490
And also, you might know that it's very
common for people to use numbers in like
779
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:30,330
blog posts and all sorts of things.
780
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:32,720
And one of the IT does a couple things,
781
00:46:32,730 --> 00:46:34,720
one of the things that makes this really
effective.
782
00:46:35,290 --> 00:46:37,650
So I think there's some evidence to show
that.
783
00:46:37,710 --> 00:46:40,610
You know, I'd have to double check this,
but there is evidence out there that I've
784
00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:48,060
read that showing a number, the actual
numerical number not written out, but the
785
00:46:48,070 --> 00:46:52,240
number 4, having that number in a
headline tends to.
786
00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:53,610
Grab attention from the eyes.
787
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:55,770
Eyes tend to go towards it and focus on
788
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:57,050
it. That might be one way that it's
789
00:46:57,060 --> 00:47:03,270
increasing attention, but there's also,
by being specific, they just said the
790
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,390
emails that will supercharge your
marketing.
791
00:47:05,820 --> 00:47:11,370
There's something less attention worthy
about that.
792
00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:14,930
And I think it has to do with when
there's a number, there's something in
793
00:47:14,940 --> 00:47:19,250
your brain that says, OK, if it's 4
emails, like one of those has to be
794
00:47:19,260 --> 00:47:21,750
useful, right?
There's something, they've made it more
795
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,440
specific. They made it more tangible, and there's
796
00:47:25,450 --> 00:47:29,180
just something about using numbers that
tends to get more attention.
797
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:32,570
Don't do it all the time, because that
will get repetitive and, you know,
798
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:35,150
doesn't work.
In every situation.
799
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,930
But that is a reason why it's very common
for people to use number headlines
800
00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:41,550
because they work, that's why umm.
801
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,330
So let's talk a little bit more about
802
00:47:44,340 --> 00:47:51,480
what gets attention, because I've given
you this framework, AIDA And a lot of
803
00:47:51,490 --> 00:47:53,670
people say, OK, well, I won't get their
attention.
804
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,320
There are a lot of things we can do to
get attention.
805
00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:58,560
What are they?
So this is just a couple of them is by no
806
00:47:58,570 --> 00:48:00,110
means a comprehensive list.
807
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:02,920
First one relevance.
808
00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:06,670
Something is relevant to what I care
about or what I'm thinking about.
809
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,550
It's going to capture my attention better
than something that is not relevant.
810
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:12,790
Pain and fear are also very powerful.
811
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,290
Humans are wired to have their attention
812
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:18,100
go towards pain and fear.
813
00:48:19,140 --> 00:48:21,240
If you look at newspaper headlines, you
814
00:48:21,250 --> 00:48:27,350
will see that you know it's very obvious
that they that those types of headlines
815
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,510
are getting lots of clicks because that's
where those businesses run as they run
816
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,060
on. Flicks be careful with fear.
817
00:48:33,070 --> 00:48:37,130
Think about how leading with fear might
impact your brand.
818
00:48:37,350 --> 00:48:43,080
There are definitely situations and times
where it might work very well, but
819
00:48:43,090 --> 00:48:51,070
they're also it's very easy to have fear
based marketing backfire on you, so tread
820
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,550
tread carefully with that.
821
00:48:54,270 --> 00:48:55,330
Pleading with something they want,
822
00:48:55,340 --> 00:48:58,010
something they desire, which ties into
relevance.
823
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,780
Something unusual or controversial is a
good way to get attention.
824
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:10,630
So maybe if you take if there's some sort
of idea in your space that has taken hold
825
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:17,750
of buzzword or some sort of philosophy
that has taken hold that seems to be
826
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:23,450
really popular, maybe it's a good time to
latch on to that.
827
00:49:23,460 --> 00:49:28,340
But to zag and going the other direction,
everybody's saying, you know.
828
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:30,240
Email marketing is dead.
829
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,210
Maybe you're the one who should come
830
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:36,690
through with something to grab attention
that says, you know, email marketing
831
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:38,870
here's why email marketing isn't dead.
832
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,420
That might not be the best example, but
833
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:46,510
again, it's the idea is to take something
that people are talking about and go in a
834
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,320
different direction with it.
835
00:49:50,060 --> 00:49:51,450
Other things that got attention is
836
00:49:51,460 --> 00:49:53,160
change. If they're, you know, if there's some
837
00:49:53,170 --> 00:49:58,790
sort of change that's coming up in your
industry or you know, some law is about
838
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:04,380
to change that is going to impact the way
that consumers do something.
839
00:50:05,340 --> 00:50:06,620
You can tap into that.
840
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:08,600
You'll see, you'll see a lot of ads like
841
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:15,920
that try to use political headlines to
sort of like, you know, some of the taxes
842
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:16,890
are changing.
843
00:50:17,730 --> 00:50:21,190
And here's how you can save more money
844
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,370
because of the way that the laws are
changing or all sorts of different ways
845
00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:30,170
to do that might not have been the best
example either, but the idea is there a
846
00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:33,000
shift coming that you can tell people
about?
847
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:35,400
Because that gets attention.
848
00:50:35,410 --> 00:50:36,270
Things are changing.
849
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,370
I want to know about it.
850
00:50:37,380 --> 00:50:39,680
And also along that idea is timeliness.
851
00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:46,790
Being topical can always can help get
extra attention because it's already on
852
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,230
people's minds.
So we just talked about getting
853
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,760
attention. Now I want to talk a little bit about
854
00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:59,870
building desire and conveying value with
copy and something that I want people to
855
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,040
keep in mind.
856
00:51:02,770 --> 00:51:05,840
Is that pretty much every line of coffee?
857
00:51:05,850 --> 00:51:10,260
Nearly everything you say should be
somehow focused on value for your
858
00:51:10,270 --> 00:51:13,960
audience. Talk about them, what will they get?
859
00:51:13,970 --> 00:51:14,700
Not yourself.
860
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:18,890
This is the number one mistake that I see
861
00:51:19,390 --> 00:51:24,840
non copywriters or beginner copywriters
make as they talk about themselves and
862
00:51:24,850 --> 00:51:27,440
they talk about their products and they
talk about their services.
863
00:51:28,140 --> 00:51:32,520
And what I want you to keep in mind is
that what you want to say is less
864
00:51:32,530 --> 00:51:35,980
important. And what your prospect needs to hear.
865
00:51:36,580 --> 00:51:40,770
And again, this goes back to all of that,
all those interviews and surveys that you
866
00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:43,780
did. Because now you know what your prospect
867
00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:46,720
needs to hear, you can focus your
messages on that.
868
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:52,070
Not about what you want to say, it's
about what they need to hear so.
869
00:51:53,130 --> 00:51:58,780
How do you stay focused on this idea of
what's in it for me from your prospects
870
00:51:58,790 --> 00:52:02,750
perspective?
First thing is to stay laser focused on
871
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,720
what they want.
872
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,740
And two ways to do that.
873
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:08,590
One is with benefits and the other is
with outcomes.
874
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,410
I'm going to talk about those two things
in a second.
875
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,240
And the other thing is to eliminate
selfish copy.
876
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:22,390
Try to move things from we to you
whenever it is something that can be
877
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,260
framed as value for the other person.
878
00:52:25,660 --> 00:52:28,340
There can be some exceptions to this, and
879
00:52:28,350 --> 00:52:30,350
I'm not saying that you can't ever use.
880
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,420
You know the word we or talk about
881
00:52:32,430 --> 00:52:36,540
ourselves. Of course you have to, but most copy can
882
00:52:36,550 --> 00:52:38,720
be improved by switching it around.
883
00:52:38,730 --> 00:52:40,450
So let's look at a tangible example.
884
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:45,010
This is an email that I found in my spam
folder.
885
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:45,770
Big surprise.
886
00:52:46,550 --> 00:52:48,980
And this is a good example of what not to
887
00:52:48,990 --> 00:52:51,000
do. It didn't follow any of the advice that I
888
00:52:51,010 --> 00:52:52,710
just gave on the last slide.
889
00:52:52,750 --> 00:52:55,820
So just so you know, go fiber is a
890
00:52:55,830 --> 00:53:01,290
product that helps men either regrow
their hair or at least.
891
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:03,510
Have it look like their hair has regrown.
892
00:53:05,330 --> 00:53:09,770
So I'm not 100 % sure, but the point here
893
00:53:09,830 --> 00:53:17,640
is I want you to look at how they framed
this relative under the lens of what we
894
00:53:17,650 --> 00:53:21,680
just spoke about a moment ago, says Hello
Andrew, go fiber just released a brand
895
00:53:21,690 --> 00:53:24,590
new video on YouTube and we wanted you to
check it out.
896
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,200
Click on the video below and give us a
thumbs up to show your support.
897
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:32,380
So the first thing to notice here is how
much they talk about themselves.
898
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:35,070
They lead with go fiber just released.
899
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,410
We just did this thing and we want you to
900
00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:39,360
check it out.
901
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,080
So the first time that you really comes
902
00:53:42,090 --> 00:53:45,400
up into this is when they want me to do
something.
903
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,230
Then they tell me to click on the video
below.
904
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:49,500
They don't give me any reason to.
905
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:50,850
If they just tell me to click it, click
906
00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:55,250
on it and they say give us a thumbs up to
show your support.
907
00:53:55,260 --> 00:53:58,620
It's a very selfish email Honestly, I'm
sure that's not what they intended.
908
00:53:58,630 --> 00:54:03,730
When they wrote this is sure they were
well meaning, but from a copywriting
909
00:54:03,740 --> 00:54:05,160
perspective, this is actually a.
910
00:54:05,170 --> 00:54:07,260
Selfish email. That really only focuses
911
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:11,140
on them and what they want, and it
doesn't focus on me.
912
00:54:11,150 --> 00:54:14,980
So in the next version, I'm going to show
you, which is a little bit better that I
913
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:19,560
rewrote. It's going to one stay more focused on
914
00:54:19,570 --> 00:54:24,980
what they want by using, by talking about
benefits that are desirable and relevant
915
00:54:24,990 --> 00:54:25,970
to the audience.
916
00:54:26,550 --> 00:54:29,080
And I'm going to switch things from
917
00:54:29,090 --> 00:54:34,630
talking about the brand product and what
we want you to do to switch it around.
918
00:54:35,170 --> 00:54:38,420
The prospect and here's what you are
going to get.
919
00:54:38,970 --> 00:54:39,950
So let's take a look here.
920
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,840
A little better here.
921
00:54:40,850 --> 00:54:41,560
Hello, Andrew.
922
00:54:41,570 --> 00:54:42,750
Want to see how much hair go?
923
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,540
Fiber can help you regrow?
Check out one customer's impressive
924
00:54:45,550 --> 00:54:47,790
results in this new video.
925
00:54:48,090 --> 00:54:50,620
So you'll see here I've reframed.
926
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:54,260
It's no longer the one we made this
video, and we want you to check it out.
927
00:54:54,270 --> 00:54:57,810
It's now tying it to a benefit for me.
928
00:54:58,710 --> 00:55:00,740
As someone on their list, I may be
929
00:55:00,750 --> 00:55:03,690
someone concerned about what's happening
with my hair.
930
00:55:05,060 --> 00:55:07,110
And that I want to be able to regrow it.
931
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,770
So I've added in this benefit and I am
932
00:55:10,780 --> 00:55:14,060
now speaking in the second person, so I'm
now the subject of this sentence.
933
00:55:14,070 --> 00:55:17,220
Want to see how much hair go fiber can
help you regrow.
934
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:19,610
They're speaking to me.
935
00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:20,830
They're not speaking about themselves
936
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,190
anymore. So you'll also remember a couple slides
937
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,030
ago, I mentioned something called
outcomes.
938
00:55:26,290 --> 00:55:31,910
So let's take a look at what it looks
like when you use outcome, which in my
939
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:32,940
opinion is even better.
940
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:33,520
Hello, Andrew.
941
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:36,090
Want to see how much hair go?
Fiber can help you regrow.
942
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:41,890
See how one customer regrew 75 % of his
hair in this new video.
943
00:55:42,050 --> 00:55:45,760
So what did we do?
We basically took the benefit of
944
00:55:45,770 --> 00:55:49,030
regrowing hair and we made it more
specific.
945
00:55:49,660 --> 00:55:50,850
And more tangible.
946
00:55:52,190 --> 00:55:56,440
By adding 75 % regrease 75 % of their
947
00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:58,820
hair. So regrowing your hair is the benefit.
948
00:55:58,830 --> 00:56:02,170
Regrowing 75 % of your hair is an
outcome.
949
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:05,950
So again, the difference between a
benefit and outcome is that the outcome
950
00:56:06,050 --> 00:56:12,720
is more specific and tangible, and very
often it's based on some kind of number.
951
00:56:12,730 --> 00:56:18,810
So get more leads would be a benefit, get
three times more leads is an outcome.
952
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:21,920
So let's move on.
953
00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:25,500
Another way to build desire is to paint a
954
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:27,200
picture of who they will become.
955
00:56:27,210 --> 00:56:29,780
If you remember, we talked earlier about
956
00:56:29,790 --> 00:56:36,390
how everything is about promising them a
better version of their future selves.
957
00:56:38,110 --> 00:56:41,660
You know, you can really do a lot with
that because you can help paint a picture
958
00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:47,050
of how someone's life might change from
working with your product, your services.
959
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:51,750
So this is something that I wrote for a
client of mine, and I'm only going to
960
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,000
read the first little bit.
961
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:55,750
Imagine this first name.
962
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:56,850
It's six months from today.
963
00:56:56,860 --> 00:56:58,700
Organizations engagement and employee
964
00:56:58,710 --> 00:57:02,360
performance metrics are higher than
they've ever been, and leadership knows
965
00:57:02,380 --> 00:57:04,280
you played a huge role.
966
00:57:04,380 --> 00:57:06,970
So right there I'm painting this picture
967
00:57:06,980 --> 00:57:08,340
of what might happen if they.
968
00:57:08,350 --> 00:57:09,960
Keep working with me and they start to
969
00:57:09,970 --> 00:57:15,290
get this sense of desire, maybe even
attachment to this, to this reality that
970
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:17,390
I'm painting for them, especially at that
point.
971
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:22,890
And leadership knows we played a huge
role, that idea of having this, of having
972
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:25,280
all of these business outcomes, these
metrics.
973
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:32,470
Going up and having leadership know that
you played a huge role that could be
974
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,990
really powerful for that particular
audience that I was speaking to in that
975
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:42,520
moment. So once you've made, when you're building
976
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:46,820
desire, you are essentially making claims
or making promises about what your
977
00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:49,910
product or service can do or what your
offers can do for them.
978
00:57:50,450 --> 00:57:52,220
And that's great.
979
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:53,450
You need to do that.
980
00:57:53,610 --> 00:57:57,670
The problem is that people will not
believe you.
981
00:57:57,770 --> 00:58:02,220
Just because you say that you can do X
doesn't mean that people will believe you
982
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:03,020
can do X.
983
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:05,090
So for example, I live in New York City.
984
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:09,360
And a lot of places will have these
ridiculous signs that say we serve the
985
00:58:09,370 --> 00:58:14,070
best pizza in New York, or a sign we say
we serve the best pizza in the world.
986
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,940
You can buy this for 12$ and ninety seven
cents on Amazon, you can buy that sign.
987
00:58:20,340 --> 00:58:22,490
But this is your audience.
988
00:58:23,290 --> 00:58:25,100
He served the best pizza in the world.
989
00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:28,060
Not sure if I believe you.
990
00:58:28,070 --> 00:58:29,880
So this section we're going to talk about
991
00:58:29,890 --> 00:58:34,440
proving your claims, which is just as
important.
992
00:58:34,450 --> 00:58:38,460
If you only make the claims and you don't
prove them, your conversions are going to
993
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:42,040
suffer. So here's some ways to prove it.
994
00:58:42,050 --> 00:58:42,800
Social proof.
995
00:58:42,810 --> 00:58:44,280
Everyone knows about social proof at this
996
00:58:44,290 --> 00:58:47,610
point, but I'm going to give you a couple
of I'm going to help you be a little bit
997
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:50,690
more strategic with your social proof in
a moment.
998
00:58:51,110 --> 00:58:56,530
Photos and videos are great ways to prove
your claims that things that you're
999
00:58:56,540 --> 00:58:59,660
saying words sometimes you need to show
them with visuals.
1000
00:59:01,250 --> 00:59:08,380
Showing how your product or service works
can be a form of proof, and statistics
1001
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:14,610
are very common ways to prove your
claims, whether those are statistics
1002
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:18,230
about. Results that your audience has gotten
1003
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,430
from working with, or that your customers
have gotten from working with you, or
1004
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:26,140
whether those statistics come from some
sort of external, trustworthy source.
1005
00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:28,410
They can both be used to prove your
points.
1006
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,410
So let's talk a little bit about social
proof, because everyone knows to use it,
1007
00:59:32,420 --> 00:59:34,570
but not everybody knows how to use it.
1008
00:59:34,580 --> 00:59:36,150
And they often say, oh, we need a
1009
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,150
testimonial. So they just slap them around wherever
1010
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,400
they can fit them in all Willy nilly.
1011
00:59:42,610 --> 00:59:43,680
Want to help you be a little bit more
1012
00:59:43,690 --> 00:59:45,890
strategic when you use your testimonial.
1013
00:59:45,900 --> 00:59:48,460
So here are the places where I try to use
1014
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:50,310
testimonials all the time.
1015
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,620
One is near a claim that testimonial
1016
00:59:52,660 --> 00:59:57,300
supports should be example in a second
near points of friction.
1017
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:03,620
And when it's more powerful to hear it
from, to hear a message from.
1018
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:10,170
The emails of a happy customer or someone
else rather than for you, I'm not going
1019
01:00:10,180 --> 01:00:14,000
to spend too much time on that because
you have to somewhat intuit that yourself
1020
01:00:14,010 --> 01:00:15,060
or test it yourself.
1021
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,360
One thing that comes to mind is in the
1022
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:24,270
software as a service world, a lot of
places like to talk about how great they
1023
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,120
are. You know, we have great support.
1024
01:00:27,780 --> 01:00:31,030
It's kind of hard to believe when
someone's you know, everyone wants to
1025
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,000
think that their support team is really
good.
1026
01:00:33,610 --> 01:00:35,160
So that might be an example.
1027
01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:37,660
Where it's not even worth it for you to
1028
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:39,250
try to say we have great support.
1029
01:00:39,260 --> 01:00:40,540
You might want to just put that
1030
01:00:40,550 --> 01:00:44,790
testimonial from someone else who is
saying that you have greater support
1031
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,460
because it's more powerful coming from
their mouths in that situation.
1032
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,630
So let's talk about using testimonials
near claims they support.
1033
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,190
So here we have intercom again and
they're talking about these specific
1034
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,200
benefits of helping your customers and
your team.
1035
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,720
Sorry, not specific benefits those are,
those are.
1036
01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:07,350
Not sure that's quite qualified as
benefits, but either way they're making
1037
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,940
claims. About what their product is going to do
1038
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:13,960
for you.
And then right below that they prove it
1039
01:01:13,970 --> 01:01:19,440
with a testimonial that also has specific
outcomes in it.
1040
01:01:19,450 --> 01:01:26,940
So everything that they said in their own
copy is basically completely validated by
1041
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:31,780
this head of customer service from
another company.
1042
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:37,680
So that is a great place to use
testimonials is whenever you need some
1043
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,060
way to prove one of your claims.
1044
01:01:40,660 --> 01:01:42,790
Another place that you want to use to
1045
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,380
social proof is near a point of friction,
so that might be like a call to action
1046
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,360
button. And I'm going to talk a little bit more
1047
01:01:50,370 --> 01:01:52,310
about calls to action later.
1048
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:54,700
For right now, all you need to know is
1049
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:59,260
that this is a way to make people feel a
little bit more safe about following the
1050
01:01:59,270 --> 01:02:00,080
call to action.
1051
01:02:00,090 --> 01:02:02,170
If they see all of these reputable brands
1052
01:02:02,310 --> 01:02:04,030
have already worked with this company.
1053
01:02:04,430 --> 01:02:06,350
Makes it that much easier to say yes.
1054
01:02:08,220 --> 01:02:09,610
Ok so we've talked about.
1055
01:02:10,340 --> 01:02:12,680
Attention, we've talked about desire.
1056
01:02:13,830 --> 01:02:16,600
We have talked about proving your claims.
1057
01:02:18,670 --> 01:02:21,200
It's also your responsibility to pave a
1058
01:02:21,210 --> 01:02:24,830
smooth path to conversion for your
prospects.
1059
01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:29,790
There are always obstacles, and it is
your job to clear them.
1060
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,510
So, and a lot of friction doesn't really
have anything to do with copywriting
1061
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:40,560
sometimes. Honestly, if something I always something
1062
01:02:40,620 --> 01:02:44,910
I see all the time, or problems with lead
generation forms where there's some sort
1063
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,060
of technical problem.
1064
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:48,940
Get that before you fix your copy,
1065
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:54,120
honestly, but from a copywriting
perspective, there are a couple of things
1066
01:02:54,130 --> 01:02:58,980
that I want to talk about today,
especially when it comes to lead
1067
01:02:58,990 --> 01:03:03,660
generation funnels, and the first one is
on matching messages.
1068
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:09,240
I'll explain what that means in a moment,
and the second is how to use copy to bust
1069
01:03:09,250 --> 01:03:11,750
certain objections or hesitations.
1070
01:03:12,590 --> 01:03:14,830
So let's start with mask with matching
1071
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,430
messages between steps in the funnel.
1072
01:03:18,070 --> 01:03:19,920
Don't worry too much about this copyright
1073
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:25,430
here. This came from a landing page for some
1074
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,260
sort of HR solutions company.
1075
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,460
What I want you to focus on is this
1076
01:03:29,470 --> 01:03:35,090
button that says requested demo that
accompanied this copy when I clicked on
1077
01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:36,200
request a demo.
1078
01:03:37,350 --> 01:03:40,090
This is the form it took me to get a free
1079
01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:41,350
custom quote.
1080
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:44,110
This is a surefire way.
1081
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:48,250
This is a message mismatch, and it's a
surefire way to get people to bounce.
1082
01:03:50,110 --> 01:03:51,370
It causes confusion.
1083
01:03:51,830 --> 01:03:53,640
People are always wondering whenever they
1084
01:03:53,650 --> 01:03:57,660
click on a link, even if it's not
conscious.
1085
01:03:57,670 --> 01:04:02,970
Subconsciously on some level their mind
is saying did I get to where I thought I
1086
01:04:02,980 --> 01:04:06,010
was going and if your messages.
1087
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:08,760
Mismatch between steps.
1088
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:15,300
They will feel a sense of discomfort or
fear that they are in the wrong place,
1089
01:04:15,460 --> 01:04:19,080
and it will make people bounce from your
page without converting.
1090
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:23,480
So make sure these things are fixed.
1091
01:04:23,660 --> 01:04:25,670
If you have a situation like this where
1092
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:30,790
you are paying for a click, like let's
say you're paying for paying per click
1093
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,240
for demos or for free trials or something
like that, and it leads someone to a page
1094
01:04:35,290 --> 01:04:37,410
that has a message match mismatch.
1095
01:04:37,660 --> 01:04:39,750
You might want to pause this video and go
1096
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,020
check on that and fix that right now
because.
1097
01:04:42,830 --> 01:04:46,180
This problem becomes so much worse when
you're paying per click.
1098
01:04:46,790 --> 01:04:52,480
Your acquisition costs can go through the
roof if people are bouncing due to a
1099
01:04:52,490 --> 01:04:56,590
message mismatch.
So the idea is that whenever someone
1100
01:04:56,890 --> 01:05:02,180
finishes, whenever someone follows your
call to action, make sure that the next
1101
01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:08,680
thing they see is a smooth bridge from
the last thing that they saw and the
1102
01:05:08,690 --> 01:05:13,100
template that I gave you a link for
earlier, and that will be at the end of
1103
01:05:13,110 --> 01:05:19,370
this again.
Will help you make sure that you do that
1104
01:05:19,380 --> 01:05:24,930
by forcing you to think about what the
last to think about whatever the prospect
1105
01:05:24,940 --> 01:05:26,040
saw last.
1106
01:05:27,020 --> 01:05:30,210
Ok, let's move on to the next way to
1107
01:05:30,220 --> 01:05:31,600
reduce friction of copy.
1108
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,410
This is a really cool technique I learned
1109
01:05:34,420 --> 01:05:38,790
from Joanna Wiebe from copy hackers, who
is actually the person who coined the
1110
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,320
term conversion copywriter.
1111
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:44,010
She is fantastic and she's one of my most
1112
01:05:44,020 --> 01:05:45,100
important mentors.
1113
01:05:45,340 --> 01:05:46,470
Definitely check her out.
1114
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:51,380
That copy hackers.com
This is a really cool technique.
1115
01:05:51,390 --> 01:05:58,790
So earlier we talked about hesitations
and beliefs and how some of those might
1116
01:05:58,930 --> 01:06:04,500
stop someone from moving forward with
their customer journey with you.
1117
01:06:05,050 --> 01:06:07,950
And one of the examples was.
1118
01:06:08,590 --> 01:06:10,070
I've already tried everything.
1119
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:16,290
That might be an example of hesitation
that you're dealing with your prospect,
1120
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:18,300
and that's something that you uncovered
during research.
1121
01:06:18,460 --> 01:06:23,780
So let's imagine in the back pain
solution world, very crowded market.
1122
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:28,360
You also have a lot of people who have
been promised that they will get rid of
1123
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:29,420
their back pain.
1124
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,590
Probably several times doctors who have
1125
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:38,790
claimed I'll be able to fix it, the
chiropractor going to a masseuse, buying
1126
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,790
different tools and things that help them
with their back, different bed and
1127
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,110
different pillow.
Millions of different things.
1128
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,180
And they feel as though they have tried
everything.
1129
01:06:49,350 --> 01:06:53,410
So if I am a person who experiences back
pain.
1130
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,760
But I carry the hesitation.
1131
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,150
That or the belief that I have already
1132
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:03,010
tried everything.
This message is not going to work on me.
1133
01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:05,410
So what's a way that we can deal with
that?
1134
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,160
How can we overcome that objection with
copy?
1135
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,500
One way is with this phrase.
1136
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,630
Even if you've tried everything now,
1137
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:19,710
people who have that objection are back
in the game because they say, well, hey,
1138
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,770
I have tried everything, but maybe they
have.
1139
01:07:23,780 --> 01:07:27,090
Something different. Look at another
example.
1140
01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:28,730
Build beautiful landing pages.
1141
01:07:29,110 --> 01:07:30,870
Ok, that's fine, that's great.
1142
01:07:31,390 --> 01:07:34,690
But let's say that research revealed
that.
1143
01:07:35,580 --> 01:07:38,220
The people, your audience, people who
you're selling to.
1144
01:07:39,590 --> 01:07:42,420
Don't have a problem with being able to
build beautiful landing pages.
1145
01:07:42,430 --> 01:07:46,280
The problem is that they have to rely too
much on their IT team for it, and that
1146
01:07:46,290 --> 01:07:48,750
causes a host of other problems for them.
1147
01:07:48,910 --> 01:07:51,240
So and again, this is informed by your
1148
01:07:51,250 --> 01:07:54,460
research. You're not just throwing without and even
1149
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:57,820
if statements or clauses into your copy
for no reason.
1150
01:07:57,830 --> 01:08:03,050
You're doing it because you know that the
objection or the hesitation is there so.
1151
01:08:04,290 --> 01:08:08,850
Here is a better way to phrase that for
this audience that has that hesitation,
1152
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:12,370
built beautiful landing pages without
help from MIT.
1153
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:18,240
Now you've got those people who had that
specific objection back in the game.
1154
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:26,550
Ok. So headlines subject lines are huge
topic and I really don't have time to do
1155
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:27,710
either of them justice.
1156
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,640
So I'm just going to whip through these
1157
01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:33,600
and then point you to some other sources
that can help you.
1158
01:08:33,979 --> 01:08:35,819
The headlines job is to grab attention.
1159
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,170
It's to match your expectations and level
1160
01:08:38,180 --> 01:08:39,760
of awareness again.
1161
01:08:39,770 --> 01:08:41,189
So a moment ago we talked about message
1162
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:47,680
matching that could be something that the
headline does or at the very least the
1163
01:08:47,689 --> 01:08:49,460
headline should not violate.
1164
01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:53,340
The expectation and it should also match
1165
01:08:53,350 --> 01:08:56,470
the proper level of the appropriate level
of awareness.
1166
01:08:57,050 --> 01:09:01,250
And finally, it should motivate the
reader to keep reading or to somehow
1167
01:09:01,350 --> 01:09:06,100
continue engaging with your content.
1168
01:09:06,109 --> 01:09:08,140
So that's really it.
1169
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:11,170
Some people try to give the headline
additional jobs.
1170
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:14,790
I think that that's problematic.
1171
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,790
I think you need to, you know, focus on
1172
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:23,100
making sure it does this headline grab
attention in a non sleazy way?
1173
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,540
Does it match expectations and awareness
and will it motivate them to continue on
1174
01:09:27,550 --> 01:09:30,270
the page?
Subject lines.
1175
01:09:31,649 --> 01:09:36,340
The role of the subject line is to get
someone to open without setting them up
1176
01:09:36,350 --> 01:09:38,750
for disappointment.
So click bait.
1177
01:09:40,729 --> 01:09:43,390
It's clickbait because it doesn't deliver
on the promise.
1178
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:47,520
So you can make a big promise in your
subject line, but if you do that, just
1179
01:09:47,529 --> 01:09:50,790
make sure that you can deliver on that
promise.
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01:09:50,930 --> 01:09:55,940
Otherwise people will stop opening your
emails because they will see you as a
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01:09:55,950 --> 01:09:56,990
source of clickbait.
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01:09:58,030 --> 01:09:59,700
So real quick, just two types of
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01:09:59,710 --> 01:10:01,710
approaches that you can try and test.
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01:10:02,190 --> 01:10:04,240
One is being very specific and the other
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01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:05,630
is being very vague.
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01:10:05,730 --> 01:10:07,430
Both work in different situations.
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01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:10,700
Some work better for certain audiences
than others, sometimes both.
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01:10:10,710 --> 01:10:11,800
Work for your audiences.
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01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:15,080
These are definitely specificity.
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01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,100
Is something worth testing your subject
lines around if you are in fact testing
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01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:23,690
your subject lines?
Here's an example of being specific that
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01:10:23,700 --> 01:10:25,570
we saw earlier from aweber.
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01:10:25,950 --> 01:10:28,220
This is hyper specific live workshop with
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01:10:28,230 --> 01:10:30,960
four emails that will supercharge your
marketing.
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01:10:30,970 --> 01:10:31,720
You know we can stack.
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01:10:31,730 --> 01:10:32,940
They're being very direct.
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01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:37,800
I know exactly what this is about and
what kind of value I can expect to get
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01:10:37,810 --> 01:10:38,690
out of this.
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01:10:38,890 --> 01:10:41,230
And on the side of being vague, I got
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01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,420
this email.
Hundreds responded to this.
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01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:46,910
Why didn't you?
I don't really know what it's about, but
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01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,760
it does peak my curiosity a little bit so
I might click on that and see what that's
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01:10:50,770 --> 01:10:51,490
all about.
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01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:56,350
So for more resources on headlines, you
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01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:00,280
can go to copy hackers and look at one of
their blog posts from a few years ago on
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01:11:00,290 --> 01:11:01,570
writing powerful headlines.
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01:11:03,130 --> 01:11:04,380
Check out copy hackers.com
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01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:05,230
in general.
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01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,430
Lots of gold in there.
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01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:12,830
And also, when it comes to headlines,
there's no reason to start from scratch
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01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:13,990
and invent your own.
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01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,540
You can start by writing them using
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01:11:17,620 --> 01:11:21,730
headline formulas.
And that is a way to at the very least
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01:11:21,740 --> 01:11:27,720
get you to start writing without worrying
about, you know, blank page syndrome or
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01:11:27,860 --> 01:11:29,740
writers block or whatever it might be.
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01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:32,490
Use the formulas at the very least as a
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01:11:32,500 --> 01:11:38,920
way to get started umm and if you don't,
you know it might you're headlines.
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01:11:38,930 --> 01:11:43,220
Change from the formula or it might end
up being very formulaic and that's OK
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01:11:43,230 --> 01:11:46,660
too. There are some nuances there, but I don't
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01:11:46,670 --> 01:11:51,220
really have time to get into those so
feel free to get in touch with me if you
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01:11:51,230 --> 01:11:54,410
if you want to geek out about headlines
and stuff like that.
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01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:58,790
So to find resources, I like this post
that I found from aweber.
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01:11:59,610 --> 01:12:03,650
I know that's a long URL, it might be
easier to just go to Google and type in a
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01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:05,840
Weber type in subject line formulas.
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01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:11,930
So that wraps it up for subject lines and
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01:12:11,940 --> 01:12:15,510
headlines. Another thing that is crucial to talk
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01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:21,810
about right now are calls to action, and
I have never seen it explained better
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01:12:21,820 --> 01:12:26,810
than I have by a colleague and mentor of
mine named Joel Kletzky.
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01:12:28,460 --> 01:12:29,580
Super smart copywriter.
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01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,210
He broke calls to actions down into three
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01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:35,800
steps and he might not be the person who
you know, came up with this or invented
1232
01:12:35,810 --> 01:12:40,850
this, but he did explain it in a in a way
that really resonated with me.
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01:12:40,860 --> 01:12:44,640
And I now put this on a uses for every
single thing I write.
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01:12:44,700 --> 01:12:49,050
So the three steps are desired outcome
for required action and an objection
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01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:52,370
Buster. So an example of what that looks like
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01:12:52,380 --> 01:12:56,000
here is I believe this is from HubSpot.
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01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:58,500
They have a desired outcome here.
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01:12:58,930 --> 01:13:03,520
So growing your business also some of
that body copyright there talks to some
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01:13:03,530 --> 01:13:07,520
things that I want to get it required
action I have to click that button if I
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01:13:07,530 --> 01:13:11,220
want to.
Move towards that desired outcome, and
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01:13:11,230 --> 01:13:15,860
then finally I need an objection Buster,
something that makes it feel safe for me
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01:13:15,870 --> 01:13:17,630
to click that button.
1243
01:13:17,780 --> 01:13:19,210
And there are a lot of different ways to
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01:13:19,220 --> 01:13:21,920
do that.
If someone is likely to be concerned
1245
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:27,100
about cost, but your offer is free,
remind them that it is free.
1246
01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:30,830
Or are they worried that they're gonna
have to enter their credit card
1247
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,050
information?
Tell them that they won't have to enter
1248
01:13:33,060 --> 01:13:35,240
their credit card information if that's
true.
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01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:41,000
If they do need to enter their credit
card information and it's not about cost,
1250
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:44,200
there's still other things you can do to
make people feel safer.
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01:13:44,660 --> 01:13:49,210
Social proof again, we talked earlier
that social proof is a good time or a
1252
01:13:49,220 --> 01:13:51,470
good place to use social proof is near
point of friction.
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01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:55,590
Like it could like a call to action
button because again, it just makes
1254
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,230
people feel a little bit safer when it
comes to clicking that.
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01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:06,170
I've created a link down here for you to
watch Joel's video about CTA's Super
1256
01:14:06,180 --> 01:14:07,600
smart guy.
Go check it out.
1257
01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:10,430
Testing and optimization.
1258
01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:12,840
This is a class all of its own, so I'm
1259
01:14:12,850 --> 01:14:16,970
going to keep it really simple and just
focus on a few points and give you a
1260
01:14:16,980 --> 01:14:18,380
little bit of food for thought.
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01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:21,580
So the things that I want to talk about
1262
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:26,900
are, one, looking at the right metrics
first and then figuring out where people
1263
01:14:26,910 --> 01:14:29,880
get stuck in your funnel and figuring out
what to do about that.
1264
01:14:29,890 --> 01:14:34,580
So in terms of looking at the right
metrics first, something that happens
1265
01:14:34,590 --> 01:14:39,910
with my clients all the time is we do
some sort of email, campaign for example,
1266
01:14:40,370 --> 01:14:46,710
and everyone wants to look at how to
improve open and click rates.
1267
01:14:46,810 --> 01:14:49,390
And I think that a lot of that has to do
with.
1268
01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:56,460
The way our reporting software is set up
where it just makes it so easy to see
1269
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:03,410
these very high level metrics and there's
something very enticing about the idea of
1270
01:15:03,420 --> 01:15:08,210
optimizing for opens and optimizing for
clicks and that's fine there.
1271
01:15:08,220 --> 01:15:13,750
You know, those things matter, but what
happens is people go dive right into
1272
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:17,830
those. Into those opens and click rates and
1273
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:25,060
things like that, while they're ignoring
the bigger metrics that happen further
1274
01:15:25,070 --> 01:15:26,120
down the funnel.
1275
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:28,950
So, you know, opens and clicks important,
1276
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:30,200
but they're small fish.
1277
01:15:30,420 --> 01:15:32,080
What about revenue?
1278
01:15:32,220 --> 01:15:36,320
What about qualified leads generated?
What about gross customer ads?
1279
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:41,450
What about average order volume?
Can you track something with your
1280
01:15:41,460 --> 01:15:45,620
campaign that is more meaningful than
simple opens and?
1281
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:51,370
Clicks you know will tinkering with your
subject line in email too.
1282
01:15:52,930 --> 01:15:58,330
You know, if you can get that open rate
up 5 %, is that going to make an impact
1283
01:15:58,450 --> 01:16:01,520
on one of these more important metrics
further down the funnel?
1284
01:16:01,530 --> 01:16:03,060
It may or it may not.
1285
01:16:03,070 --> 01:16:04,780
I just want you to start thinking more
1286
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:06,360
strategically about it.
1287
01:16:06,370 --> 01:16:08,400
And I guess the key point of this section
1288
01:16:08,410 --> 01:16:15,160
is don't lose sight of the big picture,
don't get stuck in tweaking headlines or
1289
01:16:15,170 --> 01:16:20,760
subject lines for emails when you know
there there's something else going on
1290
01:16:20,770 --> 01:16:23,190
further down the funnel that is.
1291
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,220
More that is more worthy of your time.
1292
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,650
So that brings us to the next thing,
funnel stuck.
1293
01:16:31,660 --> 01:16:36,960
So if you look throughout your funnel and
you find there's a certain place where
1294
01:16:37,140 --> 01:16:40,490
people are just not converting and
they're just not going to that next step,
1295
01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:43,760
here are a few of the things that could
be wrong.
1296
01:16:43,940 --> 01:16:48,930
This is by no means even close to a
comprehensive list.
1297
01:16:48,940 --> 01:16:55,410
These are just some things that come to
mind that might be, you know, might be,
1298
01:16:55,420 --> 01:16:58,200
might be among the first things you want
to check.
1299
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:03,800
So the first is that the offer and the
audience fit is wrong.
1300
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:08,960
And essentially what that means is that
the people who were exposed to your offer
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01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:10,910
actually don't want that offer.
1302
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:12,890
And it doesn't matter how you talk about
1303
01:17:12,900 --> 01:17:15,120
it, they're just not interested in that
offer.
1304
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,240
The other is that the offer was framed
improperly.
1305
01:17:19,310 --> 01:17:21,870
So this means that there is a fit between
the audience and the offer.
1306
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:26,340
The audience would want that offer if you
talked about it in the right way.
1307
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,450
So that is another thing can be wrong.
1308
01:17:29,460 --> 01:17:30,850
We'll talk about that as well.
1309
01:17:30,860 --> 01:17:35,280
And the final thing is simply there is
too much friction that is preventing
1310
01:17:35,290 --> 01:17:36,330
people from converting.
1311
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:40,560
So one by one, offer audience fit is
1312
01:17:40,570 --> 01:17:43,430
wrong. Test 8 different offer.
1313
01:17:44,230 --> 01:17:49,150
You might have two different things on
offer and you'll want to measure, you
1314
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:54,240
know what is going on with that, which
offer is getting more attention, more
1315
01:17:54,250 --> 01:18:01,560
interest umm.
So you know this is one of the places to
1316
01:18:01,570 --> 01:18:04,460
start. If people are not taking your offers, try
1317
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:05,750
testing different offers.
1318
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,800
Another thing that you can do is you can
1319
01:18:08,810 --> 01:18:11,980
try different ways of motivating readers
to prove your claims.
1320
01:18:12,830 --> 01:18:15,300
Sorry, motivating readers and proving
your claims.
1321
01:18:16,700 --> 01:18:20,050
This is a little bit trickier because
this is all of your copy and it's hard to
1322
01:18:20,060 --> 01:18:22,600
isolate. You know exactly where the problem is,
1323
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,630
but it might be about your benefits.
1324
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,020
Maybe you were leading with save time and
1325
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:29,520
the message that they needed to hear was
save money.
1326
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,520
Very simplified version of this problem.
1327
01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:36,830
But again, the idea is to is to think
1328
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:41,080
about is it possible that the way we're
talking about this offer, or the way that
1329
01:18:41,090 --> 01:18:44,330
we're trying to prove that the offer does
what it says it?
1330
01:18:44,340 --> 01:18:50,460
Well, is it possible that we are lacking
in some sense there.
1331
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:53,530
Can we test something else to see if that
works better?
1332
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:58,000
And then finally too much friction?
Could there be any friction that we
1333
01:18:58,010 --> 01:19:04,710
didn't address?
This is also a huge topic, but one of the
1334
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:08,560
first things that you should check your
buttons, test your forms, look for those
1335
01:19:08,570 --> 01:19:15,350
message mismatches.
I cannot tell you how many lead
1336
01:19:15,490 --> 01:19:21,610
generation forms have technical problems
that are killing conversions, and people
1337
01:19:21,620 --> 01:19:22,180
have no idea.
1338
01:19:22,190 --> 01:19:23,970
Because you know, if you're trying to
1339
01:19:23,980 --> 01:19:27,680
fill out a form, unless you really
desperately want that thing, you're not
1340
01:19:27,690 --> 01:19:30,040
going to email them say hey something, 's
messed up with your form.
1341
01:19:30,050 --> 01:19:33,340
Or if you're a really nice person, you
might do it too.
1342
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:39,160
So test your forms, check your buttons,
make sure that things at those points of
1343
01:19:39,170 --> 01:19:41,670
friction, which are the calls to action.
1344
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,920
And the transition from one step to
1345
01:19:44,930 --> 01:19:49,660
another from say, add to landing page,
make sure that there isn't anything
1346
01:19:49,670 --> 01:19:52,140
obvious there that could be stopping
people.
1347
01:19:54,220 --> 01:19:56,120
Ok, we covered a lot.
1348
01:19:57,660 --> 01:19:59,790
Please do not forget to get that free
1349
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:03,660
toolkit that I mentioned Andrew yedlin
dot com slash about.
1350
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,450
You just have to enter a little bit of
information to download that but you do
1351
01:20:08,460 --> 01:20:10,030
not have to sign up for my email.
1352
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,990
List so that means if you only want the
1353
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:18,590
toolkit then you will get the links to
the toolkit on that page and also in your
1354
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,150
inbox and then you will not get any more
emails from me.
1355
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,320
But I would absolutely love it if you
check that.
1356
01:20:23,330 --> 01:20:29,870
Roblox so that I can stay in touch with
you and send you occasional tips and
1357
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:35,890
thoughts and whatever about marketing and
copywriting and that kind of stuff.
1358
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:41,160
And then finally if you need a little bit
of extra help, if you want to get
1359
01:20:41,170 --> 01:20:45,020
someones eyes on your copy, who knows
what they're talking about.
1360
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:48,890
I'd like to think that I know what I'm
talking about so you can get your
1361
01:20:48,900 --> 01:20:52,940
website, your landing page reviewed if
you go to this link, but you can also
1362
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:53,820
just find me.
1363
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:55,220
That Andrew yedlin.com
1364
01:20:56,060 --> 01:21:01,900
and use the Get Touch button to send me a
message of any kind.
1365
01:21:02,380 --> 01:21:06,210
Feel free to add me on LinkedIn, I'm
super easy to find if you just type in
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01:21:06,220 --> 01:21:08,690
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There aren't a lot of us out there so you
1367
01:21:08,700 --> 01:21:13,030
will see me and that wraps it up for
today.
1368
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,400
Hope you learned something and I hope to
see you on the other side.
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