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patriotic�music
Every�election�is�a facelift�for�the�country,
and�babe,�we're�lookin'�botched.
I�mean�"snatched."
Sure,�some�cities don't�have�water,
but�let's�talk about�the�ones�that�do!
I�don't�let�myself get�discouraged,
which�is�why�I�bring�this�quote with�me�whenever�I�enter�the
voting�booth.
I�think�that,�to�be very�honest�with�you,
I-�I�do�believe�that�we...
should�have�rightly�believed but�we�certainly�believed�that
certain�issues�are�just�settled.
Certain�issues�are�just�settled.
And�that's�why�I�do believe�that�we�are�living,
sadly,�in,�um,�real unsettled...times.
Iconic�words�from�Vice President�Kamala�Harris.
[eagle�caws]
People�say�that democracy�isn't�cool,
but�then�how�do�you�explain�why there�are�so�many�long�lines�at
the�polls,�idiot?!
[sighs]�Don't�fight me�on�this�because,
in�the�words�of activist�Kandi�Burruss,
"I�am�not�Michelle�Obama.
You�go�low,�I'm goin'�low�wit�cha!"
U-S-A:�where�sparklers�are legal,�despite�the�danger.
Tonight,�I'll�be�joined by�Bob�the�Drag�Queen.
Democrats�are pass-around�party�bottoms.
And�DeRay�Mckesson.
There�is�no�America without�Black�people.
U-S-A!
U-S-A!
Oh,�no!
Ziwe � starts�now!
cool�theme�music
My�guest�tonight�is an�iconic�drag�queen,
comedian,�and�activist�who believes�in�the�power�of
democracy.
Show�them�what democracy�looks�like!
[Ziwe�VO]�He�was�arrested�while exercising�his�First�Amendment
right.
All�equality!
[Ziwe�VO]�His�HBO travel�show, � We're�Here,
reveals�his�true pro-America�agenda.
Please�welcome Bob�the�Drag�Queen!
Ah!
-"Yankee�Doodle" -Ah.
My�little�wave�to�the�world.
-How�are�you?! -Hello,�thank�you�for�coming!
I'm�beyond�excited.
I'm�beyond�excited.
What's�beyond�excited?
What's�the�next�level?
Um,�titillated.
I'm�very�excited to�titillate�you.
I'll�tittle�you!
No,�let's�just�hop into�this�interview,
because�I�have�a�lot�of questions�for�you�about...
democracy.
-I�love�democracy. -[Ziwe]�You�do?
-We�stan. -We�stan�democracy?
Oh,�we�stan�democracy.
Okay,�[bleep],�marry, kill:�legislative�branch,
executive�branch, judicial�branch?
Are�we�talking,�like,�2009?!
Why�would�you�take it�[laughing]�to�2009?
There�was�a�hot person�in�office�in�2009.
Barack�Obama?
Yes,�of�all�the�people�who've been�in�office�since�I've�been
alive,�he's�the�#1.
And�that's�Ronald Reagan,�Bill�Clinton,
Obama...
What�year�do�you think�I�was�born?
1985?
What�year�were�you�born?!
I�was�born�in 2002�'cause�I'm�19.
So�you�don't�think we're�the�same�age.
[guffawing]�Wow!
I'm�shook.
You-�you�were actually�really�close,
and�I'm�hurt�by�that.
Where�were�you January�6th,�2021?
Funny�you�should�ask...
because�you'll�notice�I�went dark�on�social�media�that�day,
and�my�GPS was�turned�off,
and�I�do�have�a very�long�CVS�receipt
for�one�tube�of�ChapStick�that was�purchased�on�the�Upper�West
Side�of�Manhattan�that�is�the only�evidence�of�where�I�was.
That's�my�story�and I'm�sticking�to�it.
patriotic�music
How�would�you�rate�the�Great American�Experiment�on�a�scale
of�"sashay"�to�"slay?"
-Oh,�this�whole�country? -Yeah!
America!
In�the�main�challenge,�you really�let�freedom�ring.
But�on�the�runway...
you�were�not�shining from�sea�to�shining�sea.
I'm�sorry,�my�dear,�but you�are�up�for�elimination.
That�was�my�RuPaul.
Not�as�good�as�my�Obama�but...
Okay,�well,�do- do�the�Barack�Obama.
Thank�you!
Was�that-�it's�like pulling�teeth�around�here!
Ugh.�[clears�throat]
[Obama�voice] Uh...America,�uh...
I,�uh,�was�talking�to Michelle,�and,�uh...
she�was,�uh,�telling me,�uh,�that...
it�is�time�to�show up�for�each�other!
[regular�voice]�Are�you gonna�acknowledge�that�was�good?
Yes.
I�need�you�to�acknowledge that�that�was�a�very�good�Barack
Obama.
I'm�saying�it's�good!
What-�how�much validation�do�you�need?
Uh,�maybe�just�one�more.
It�was�good.
That's�the�same�one!�[laughs]
On�an�episode�of�Billboard Pride's�'Spillin'�the�Tea,'
you�said,�"All�white people�are�racist."
Just�to�show�America you're�not�biased,
could�you�make�a�sweeping generalization�about�Black
people?
All�Black�people�in�America...
um,�have�probably,�um...
tense�music
been�at�the�receiving�end�of some�form�of�white�supremacy
ideology.
Wow,�and�can�you�make�a generalization�about�Latinos?
I'm�gonna�pass�on�that�one.
Asians?
Pass�on�that�one�too.
Indigenous�people?
Oh,�I-�mm,�pass on�that�one�too.
Interesting�that�you�didn't�say they�were�subject�to�racism�as
well.
[inhales�sharply]�Cancelled.
You�didn't�even�ask�for�my pronouns�when�I�sat�down!
I�read�them!
They're�she/her�and�also�he/him.
Well,�I�updated them�this�morning.
Oh,�what�are�they�now?
Just�reversed;�now he/him�and�she/her.
Could�you�tell�them�that�we'll be�right�back�after�the�break?
[Obama�voice]�Uh...America, uh,�we�will�be�right�back,
uh,�after�this�short�break!
[Ziwe�VO]�Next�on � Ziwe...
Do�you�want�me�to explain�fisting?
You�just�kinda�cram�it.
chimes
[man�VO]�From�the�majestic heights�of�the�Rocky�Mountains
to�the�awe-inspiring depths�of�the�Grand�Canyon,
America�is�definitely�not�in the�grips�on�an�ethnocentric
backlash�against�the historically�disenfranchised,
all�because�a�couple�of�brokeys didn't�want�to�pay�taxes�to
Britain.
Across�her�wide-open�prairies roam�the�steady�winds�of�freedom
-�the�kind�of�feel-good metaphor�that�lets�you�know
America�is�the�real�deal,�with real�judicial�appointments�that
are�built�to�last like�a�big�old�truck,
a�truck�that�makes�laws that�are�balanced�and�fair.
-[women]�No�justice! -[crowd]�No�peace!
[man�VO]�Whether�gazing�up�at the�starry�skies�of�the�country
or�the�twinkling lights�of�the�city,
America�knows�how to�dream�big...
and�incarcerate�big, because�people�deserve�it.
Bad�Americans:�jailed.
Good�Americans:�free.
A�nation�where�every�politician is�definitely�effective�and
definitely�gets�things�done
and�is�definitely�not�too�old�- because�that�would�be�ageist�-
and�a�Congress�that�definitely wants�to�do�anything,
-anything�at�all. -[Senator�Johnson]�I-�I�object.
[man�VO]�Whether�breaking a�new�record�for�speed...
-[overlapping�shouting] -endurance...
[overlapping�shouting]
-or�strength... -[crowd]�U-S-A!�U-S-A!
[man�VO]�America celebrates�its�champions...
-Roman�Polanski. -[cheers�and�applause]
[man�VO]�And�is ready�to�celebrate�you.
America:�the�only�country that�is�big�and�strong.
Plan�your�visit today�at�usausausa.baby.me.
exciting�strings
If�you�could�give�a�shout-out to�some�of�your�favorite�Black
female�politicians...
Can�I�tell�you�one�of�my-�a moment�that�really�rocked�my
world�before�I�give�a�shout-out?
-[Ziwe]�What? -[sighs]
When�you're�Black...
and�you're-�you're�kinda�raised to�root�for�everyone�Black,
so�you�kind�of�just do�it�blindly.
Yes.
Without�even considering�what�they're�up�to.
Got�it.
And�when�I�was�younger, I�really�was,�like,
very�inspired by�Condoleeza�Rice.
[Ziwe]�Oh,�got�it! Yes.
And�then�I�got older,�and�I�was�like,
"Oh,�she�w-�oh!
Oh..."
Think�about�the�things that�woman�had�to�overcome.
Her�name�was�"Condolisa Ri-"�Is�it�"Condoleeza?"
"Condoleeza�Rice."
-"Condoleeza." -Yeah.
It's�kind�of�an amazing�name.
And�it's�like,�when�you have�a�name�like�"Oprah"�or
"Condoleeza,"�you have�to�make�it�big.
And�to�be�clear,�when�you say�"A�name�like�'Oprah'..."
A�name�that,�like, white�people�would�be�like,
"What's�with�that�name?"
Like�"Condoleeza."
Like�a�Black-�she�has�a- it's�a�old�Black�country�name.
It�is?
What�is�the�last�13-year-old white�girl�you�met�named
-"Condoleeza?" -[ding]
[Ziwe]�Wow.
But�anyway,�I�was inspired�by�her�as�a�kid,
and�as�I�got�older,�I started�to�be�like,
"Oh,�no,�she's�kinda...
[bleep]ed."
But�Stacey�Abrams.
What's�wild�about Stacey�Abrams�is,�like,
there's�so�much expectation�of�Black�women�to,
like,�kind�of�save the�day�in�politics,
so,�I�mean,�you famously�once�said,
quote,�"You�can�always�rely on�progress�from�Black�women."
Mm-hm.
So�what�issues�are�you currently�waiting�for�Black
women�to�fix?
Um,�I-�I�don't�know�that�I'm waiting�for�Black�women�to�fix
things,�but�when they�do,�you�know,
I'm�like...
they-�they�kinda do�their�own�thing.
I'm-�I'm�not�like,�you�know...
getting�Black�women to�do�certain�things.
I�need�you�to�acknowledge that�that�was�a�very�good�Barack
Obama.
[slow-mo]�It�was�good.
But�I�think�that�Black�women will�shock�us�in�the�future�with
what�they've�fixed.
We�won't�even- sometimes�there�are,
you�know,�different�factions�of people�working�their�own�things
in�their�own�time.
So�do�you�think�that�if Stacey�Abrams�takes�a�day�off,
democracy�will�die?
Well,�what�day�is�it?
On�a�Tuesday.
Which�season?
Fall.
Death�of�democracy.
Wow!
You've�claimed�Harriet�Tubman was�the�first�Black�superhero.
Yes!
Who�would�win�in�a�fight: Harriet�Tubman�or�Spiderman.
Um,�I'm�gonna�go with�Harriet�Tubman.
How�would�she beat�Spiderman's�ass?
-Well,�she�has�a�gun. -[gunshot]
[crew�laughter]
And�is�this�the�Tom Holland�version�or�the...
-Tobey�Maguire? -That�twink?
[scoffs]�Oh,�she�would�ruin.
Tom�Hollands�is�98�lbs soaking�wet�with�rain�boots�on.
Harriet�Tubman�is�a scout�for�the�US�military.
The�cardio�on�this�woman?
From�below�the�Mason Dixie�to�Canada�12�times?!
Also,�those�guns back�in�the�day,
it�wasn't,�like, a�little�bullet.
It�would�wreck�your�whole�shit!
Closed�casket!
[slam]
And�your�impression�of�Harriet Tubman�shooting�Spiderman�to
camera?
Watch�out,�Spidan[bleep]!
exciting�cinematic�music
[Ziwe�VO]�Next�on � Ziwe...
Hi,�are�you�Team�Oligarchy?
Or�Team�De-mocracy? [chuckles]
chimes
"The�Star-Spangled Banner"�hip-hop�beat
chimes
Famously,�you�once�said,�quote, that�you�thought�about�possibly
running�for�office.
N-�[laughs]�no, I�n-�[laughs]
Yeah,�you�did!
Bob,�would�you�run for�office�one�day?
Maybe�down�the�line when�I've�had�enough,
I�will.
No,�I'm-�I'm�not cut�out�for�politics.
I�don't�have�what�it�takes.
What�does�it�take?
I�think�it�takes,�um,�one,�a level�of�servitude�that�I�don't
have;�I'm�not�very�subservient.
I'm�a�dom�top.
Maybe�down�the�line
Down�the,�down the,�down�the�line
Most�politicians,�are�they power�bottoms�or�are�they�dom
tops?
Republicans�or�Democrats?
'Cause�the�Green�Party, they're�fisting�bottoms.
-They're�nasty. -Wow!
Oh,�the�Green�Party?
You�don't�wanna [bleep]�with�them.
What�does�that�even�mean?
Fisting?
-It's�when�you�take�your�hand- -No,�I-�oh,�gosh.
Oh,�okay,�sorry.
Do�you�want�me�to explain�fisting?
With�consent,�can�I explain�it�to�you?
In�relation�to�politics.
Fisting�is�when�you�take�a ballot�and�you�put�it�in�the
box,�so�you�kind�of�have�to crunch�up�the�ballot�like�this
so�that�it�can�fit�in�there, and�then�you�just�kinda�cram�it.
And�the�Republicans?
Um,�they're- they're�kind�of,�um.
lazy�tops.
Democrats?
Democrats�are pass-around�party�bottoms.
Oh,�wow!
Yeah.
Do�you�need�me�to�describe�what a�pass-around�party�bottom�is?
For�the�record,�yes, please,�to�your�camera.
-It's�when�you�pick�a�bottom... -[Ziwe]�Yes.
And�you�pass�'em around�at�a�party.
Yes.
Don't�knock�it until�you've�tried�it.
Being�a�Democrat?
"The Star-Spangled�Banner"
[Ziwe�VO]�Next�on � Ziwe...
[laughing]�This...is...rigged!
Rigged!
chimes
Nice�country�you�got�there.
Would�be�a�shame�if something�happened�to�it.
Donate�now�and�I'll see�what�I�can�do.
chimes
exciting�strings
It's�time�to�play Mobilize�the�Vote.
Could�you�sing�the�jingle?
Mobilize�the�vote
Mobilize�that mutha[bleep]in'�voooote...
N[bleep].
I�thought�you�were gonna�say�it�with�me.
Can�I�say�n[bleep]�on�this�show?
Yeah.
Can�you�say�it�with�me,�though?
No.
Someone�is�going to�spin�the�wheel.
Based�on�where�it�lands,�you will�have�to�inspire�that�group
to�rock�the�vote�by�picking something�out�of�the�Bag�of
-Tricks. -[Bob]�Got�it.
Let's�begin!
Richard�Nixon?
[Bob]�Oh,�God.
Wow!
That's...really...
bubonic�plague!
[Bob]�It's�a�little�dark.
[Ziwe]�Perfect�for�the�times.
Great,�spin�the�wheel!
patriotic�music
Ratata-tatata-tatata.
[Ziwe]�LGBTQ+.
Uh,�"Plug�their�favorite�beer."
Lesbians,�I'm�talkin'�to�you!
So�listen,�Edna!
I'm�gonna�need�you�to�put down�the�Pabst�Blue�Ribbon,
call�your�twink cousin,�let�him�know...
we're�votin'�this�November.
Spin�again.
patriotic�music
Oh,�this�is�your�people!
The�way�you�come�on my�show�to�insult�me...
[long�beep]
Spin�again.
patriotic�music
Your�people.
[laughs]
[shrieking�laugh]
Wow,�Nene!
Wow!
"Blank�is�on�the�ballot."
Elders.
I'm�sorry�to�interrupt you�from�watching�the�news,
which�you�love�to�do, or�from�doing�sudoku.
Now,�I�know�that as�you...mature,
um,�getting�to�live becomes�much�more�expensive.
And�let's�just�say�medication...
is�on�the�ballot.
That�sounds�like�a�threat.
eerie�tone
chimes
Democracy�works�if you�work�it,�pledge.
So�let's�play�Electoral�College.
Jingle�me!
All�right,�here�we�go.
Uh,�Electoral�College
Bi-di�di�di
[Ziwe]�All�you�have�to�do�is take�a�ping�pong�ball�and�toss
it�into�a�cup.
That�will�be�your�vote.
Hey!
Because�you�did�it�wrong, the�Scantron�was�messed�up.
[buzzer]
Your�vote�didn't�count�because you�didn't�have�a�witness�when
you�signed.
-[buzzer] -Yikes.
Okay,�here�we�go.
Sorry,�the polling�site�is�closed.
[laughs]�Oh�my�God!
Okay,�woo!
Ayyy!
Gang�gang�gang!
Sorry,�that�one�doesn't�count!
Well,�why doesn't�that�one�count?
Because�we�lost your�votes�in�the�mail.
-[buzzer] -Wow!
That's�the�show! [laughs]
Let�me�vote�as�a�white�guy.
Oh�my�God!
[overlapping�dings]
exciting�music
This�just�in:�Local�Man�Does Horrific�Thing�with�Horrific
Weapon.
For�more�on�this story,�my�co-anchor�Ike.
Thank�you,�Ziwe.
Sources�say�he�got�said�horrific weapon�from�Horrific�Weapons
Store.
Local�politicians�are shocked�to�learn�that,
based�on�their�inaction, everything�played�out�to�its
logical�conclusion.
Ike?
More�after�we�find�out�the perpetrator's�race�and�gender.
Ziwe?
White�and�male.
Back�to�you,�Ike.
And�now,�a�word from�our�sponsors.
The�only�way�we're�able�to�bring you�this�in-depth�coverage�is
because�of�the�generous�support of�the�horrific�weapon's�parent
company.
uplifting�jovial�music
If!�Only!�Somebody!�Could!
Tell�me!�Why!�This! Keeps!�Happening!
The�million!�Dollar! Question!
I'd�be�a�rich�woman if�I�knew�the�answer.
Breaking�news...
Actually,�no�breaking news�at�the�moment.
I,�uh...
Well,�uh...
It's�just�that�these�events�keep happening�so�quickly�one�after
the�other�that�I,�uh...
Well,�you�know,�the�first�thing I�feel�after�I�peeled�back�the
layer�of�numbness is�an�anger,
followed�with�hints�of a�sad�helplessness.
somber�pensive�music
This�just�in:�meet�the�doctors that�are�required�to�sing!
Is�the�best�medicine�music?!
Do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti cured!
exciting�music
Welcome�to Democracy:�The�Game�Show!
exciting�game�show�music
Where�the�rules�were�made up�a�very�long�time�ago,
and�you�have�to�not question�them�at�all.
Guess�what�-�this game�is�not�rigged,
just�like�democracy!
Let's�play.
Please�welcome�the�contestants!
Are�you�ready�for�democracy?!
[Ziwe�VO] Contestant�#1�is�Elizabeth,
a�schoolteacher�from�New�Jersey.
Are�you�ready�for�democracy?!
And�then�do�a- can�you�krump?
Like,�"Are�you�ready?!"
"The�Star-Spangled Banner"�hip-hop�beat
Contestant�#2�is�Mark, a�guy�in�New�York�City.
Are�you�ready�for�democracy?!
Before�we officially�play�the�game,
I�need�you�to�prove�that you're�American�citizens.
The�person�with�the most�identity�wins.
Show�me�your�identification.
Licenses!
Voter�registration!
You�knew�this�was about�democracy!
-Credit�card... -[Ziwe]�Wow!
Um...teacher�ID...
Okay,�teacher�ID!
Union�shout-outs!
Come�on,�Mark.
Voter�ID...
Do�you�always�travel with�your�voter�ID?
Yeah,�I�keep�it right�under�my�ID.
-The�voter�ID�card�wins. -[ding]
That's�one�point,�but�Elizabeth, I�think�teachers�are�our�best
laborers,�so�a point�for�you,�too.
-Thank�you. -[ding]
Now,�let's�play�a�game;�it's called�Lesser�of�Two�Evils.
I'll�tell�you about�two�candidates,
and�I'll�need�you�to�run�to the�lesser�of�two�evils�and�tag
them�with�your�I�Voted�sticker.
Now,�Candidate�A is�a�sex�offender,
and�Candidate�B�is�a milder�sex�offender.
So�who�are�you�gonna�vote�for?
[sighs]
We�have�to�choose,�right?
Or�you�don't�vote.
Lesser�of�two�evils!
-[ding]�[ding] -Wow,�I�love�that�for�us.
Candidate�A�is�a�gay�pro-life Democrat�and�Candidate�B�is�a
Black�Republican.
[Mark]�I�can't�go�pro-life.
[ding]
[Ziwe]�Oh,�Herschel�Walker.
[Elizabeth]�I'm�just gonna�close�my�eyes.
[ding]
[Ziwe]�Candidate A�is�98�years�old,
Candidate�B�is�a�woman.
Okay,�we're pro-woman;�I�love�that�vibe.
[ding]
Okay,�Candidate�A lied�about�being�Black,
Candidate�B�thinks Black�people�lie.
I'm�gonna�sit�this�one�out.
You're�gonna-�you're�not gonna�vote�in�this�election?!
I'm�choosing�between the�lesser�of�two�evils.
I-�I�don't�think either�of�them�is�less,
but�I�also�don't�want�to�not exercise�my�right�to�vote,
so�my�gut instinct�is�to�sit�out.
exciting�game�show�music
[buzzer]
[Ziwe]�The�next�round�is called�Where�are�Your�Morals?
Stand�up�against�what you�hate�in�politics.
What�do�you�guys�hate?
What�do�I�hate?
-Yes,�hurry! -[Mark]�Okay,�oh,�geez.
-Well,�I�hate�ConEd. -[ding]
They're�awful.
-Not�a�fan�of�cops. -[ding]
Wow!
I�hate�racism,�I hate�inequality,
I�hate�liars.
Now,�here's�a�question�for�you: this�could�be�full�with�money.
[cash�register�ding]
So�I�wanna�know�how�much�cash would�it�take�for�you�to�drop
your�morals.
$100?
No.
$15,000?
No.
$1�million.
[softly]�Yeah.
-$1�million? -Yeah.
Please�say�"I�love�Con�Edison."
Con�Edison�is�just�fine.
[dramatic�thud]
[Ziwe]�It's�time�to�dab�your way�into�America's�heart�by
doing�a�little�dance,�just�like your�political�heroes�have�done.
Whoever's�my�favorite�wins.
Hit�it!
-For�democracy? -Dab�for�democracy!
Dab�for-�isn't that-�isn't�this-
Dab!
Isn't�this,�like...
Dab!
"The Star-Spangled�Banner"
[dinging]
[Ziwe]�In�this�next�game, you'll�sing�a�song�to�win�the
Black�vote.
It's�called�"The Black�National�Anthem."
Do�you�guys�know�that?
I�hardly�know�the�words�to the-�the�white�national�anthem.
[eagle�caw]
The�white�national...?
-[buzzer] -[dramatic�thud]
Hit�it!
"Lift�Every Voice�and�Sing"
Lift�every voice�and�sing
Sing!
I�just-
Can�I�sing�this as�a�white�woman?!
-Is�this�a�trap? -It�doesn't...
Is�capitalism�a�trap?
-[softly]�Little�bit. -Mm...
Are�the�major�tenets�of our�government�a�trap?
Is�democracy�a�trap?
No!
Then�no,�this�is�not�a�trap.
-[buzzer] -[dramatic�thuds]
This�is�called�Stay in�Line,�to�vote!
This�money�in�your hands�is�your�life�savings,
so�hold�onto�it�as�long�as possible�while�standing�on�one
foot�or�you�lose�your�vote.
Okay,�stay�in�line!
Work!
Go�back�to�work!
Wooooork!
Wooooork!
Voting!
Voting!
Oh,�you�dropped�your�money!
[landslide]
-[buzzer] -Final:�beat�The�Essay�Contest!
Explain�why�democracy�is great,�but�don't�be�boring!
If�you're�boring,�I�get to�ring�my�little�bell.
[bell�rings]
For�whom�the�bell�tolls!
Democracy's�great 'cause�it's,�uh...
the�actual�government�that�is for�the�peop-�[bell�rings]
Elizabeth?!
Democracy�is�about�voting, and�voting�is�about�using�your
-voice. -[bell�rings]
I'm�ringing�that bell�positively.
And�that's�The Democracy�Game�Show!
triumphant�music
-You�both�lost. -[dramatic�thud]
chimes
I�don't�believe�in�free�speech.
It's�going�to�cost you�to�hear�my�voice.
chimes
My�next�guest�is�a�Civil Rights�activist�and�podcaster,
whose�work�first�became�highly visible�during�the�Ferguson
-protests. -[crowd]�Black�lives�matter!
The�police�killing people�has�to�stop.
patriotic�music
[Ziwe�VO]�From�police�reform campaigns�to�a�well-funded
Baltimore�mayoral�race,
to�his�iconic�blue Patagonia�vest,
he�is�one�of�the�most�online political�figures�working
today.
DeRay�Mckesson!
-Thank�you. -[applause]
That's�so�fun.
I�love�your�Blackness�and�mine!
I�love�you�in�this�vest.
A�cut-off�vest�is�great.
Thank�you,�I�had�to keep�it�a�little�slutty.
elegant�music
[laughs]
I�love�that�you�have�a�vest!
I�love�that � you � have�a�vest!
What's�a�more�iconic�look,�the Black�Panther�beret�or�a�DeRay
vest?
The�beret.
But�I�love�a�good�vest!
You�know,�I-�I've�had the�vest�for�a�long�time.
Is�it�the�same�vest every�single�time?
Same�vest.
When�it�rips, Patagonia�will�fix�it�for�me.
[Ziwe]�And�do�you�wash�it?
I�do;�it�takes�a�long�time 'cause�you�have�to�dry�it�with
tennis�balls�[chuckling]�so that�the�down�doesn't�clump.
Or�I�can�actually�ask Patagonia�to�help�me�wash�it.
Okay,�Patagonia�flex!
I�don't�have�a�deal�with�them.
Do�you�need�an�agent?
What's�stopping�you from�getting�a�deal?
What's�a�deal like�with�Patagonia?
It-�it�would�be�cool�to do�a�line�of�acti-vests.
Get�it?
"Acti-vests?"
Isn't�that�cool?
Do�you�agree�with�the following�statements?
Oh,�God...
[Ziwe]�Please�repeat after�me�if�you�do.
Here�we�go.
"I�love�the�United States�of�America."
-I...love�Black�people. -[ding]
"I�love�the�government."
[ding]
"I�have�nothing�but�admiration and�respect�for�the�troops,
who�lay�down�their�lives�each day�to�protect�our�country."
If�the�troops�are�Black people,�then�absolutely.
-[ding] -[Ziwe]�Got�it.
So�you�only support�Black�troops?
Uh,�I�support�Black�people.
Black�people�made this,�you�know?
There�is�no�America without�Black�people.
Tea!
Boom.
Where�were�you�January�6th?
Watching�white�people�run�up on�the�Capitol�and�the�police�do
nothing.
January�6th�is�so�fascinating because�if�Black�people�had�done
that,�as�you�know,�they'd�have shot�at-�the�10�police�there
would�have�shot�everybody.
Oh�my�gosh!
They�did�more�to�us�when all�we�had�was�cell�phones.
Mm.
Those�people-�I�will�never forget�that�man�putting�his�feet
on�Nancy�Pelosi's�desk.
That�is�wild.
I�would�never storm�the�Capitol,
but�other�people�are�a little�more�radical.
Now�DeRay,�I�remember�very vividly�the�Ferguson�uprising.
Why�would�you�say�that�you�are sort�of�a�face�of�this�movement?
I�think�that�my�tweets resonated�with�people,
and�I�hoped�that�they�were�able to�use�them�to�mobilize�across
the�country,�but I'm-�I-�I�sit�here�as,�like,
one�of�many�people�who stood�in�the�street�in�2014,
and�I'm�of�that.
You�stand�on�the forefathers�of�people�like�Jack,
for�example.
-Jack? -Jack,�Twitter�man.
Oh,�Twitter,�uh, ah-�[chuckles]
Well,�if�I�stand�on�the shoulders�of�Jack�in�terms�of
protests,�but�I consider�Jack�a�friend.
-[Ziwe]�Oh,�you�do? -Yeah.
Flex!
I�mean...�[chuckles]
Are�you�in�favor�of Elon�Musk's�buying�Twitter?
No.
You�don't�support African-American
entrepreneurship?
[laughs]
If�you�had�to�estimate,�how many�watch�lists�do�you�think
you're�on?
Today?
I�don't�know,�not a�lot,�hopefully.
But�back�then,�it�was�a�lot.
For�those�watching�at�home,�I have�no�association�with�this
man�whatsoever.
And�the�FBI-�I�will tell�you,�I'll�never�forget,
I�was�somewhere,�um,�where�Miss Tina�was�and�I�had-�the�FBI�had
just�come�to�my�house, and�I�tweeted�about�it,
and�she�just,�like- you�know,�people�were,�like,
nervous�about being�around�me,
and�I�was�like,�"I didn't-�I�didn't�do�anything!
The�FBI�just�stopped�by."
And�what�did�Miss�Tina-�what does�she�have�to�do�with�this
story?
There�were,�like,�a set�of�people�who,�like,
didn't�wanna�be�too close�to�me�that�day...
[Ziwe]�Got�it.
That�was�just�a Beyonce�flex,�it's�okay.
-[DeRay]�It�was�a- -Just�admit�it.
-Ah... -Admit�it,�admit�it!
Oh�God,�no,�it- that�was�true.
Shout-out�to�Beyonce,�though!
We�love�Beyonce.
And�she�follows�you.
And�she�follows�me.
And�she�follows�me.
In�the�past,�you've�said�that having�a�seat�at�the�table
doesn't�matter�as�much as�people�think�it�does.
But�why�is�this�photo�of�you sitting�at�a�table�featured�on
your�website?
So�that�was�a�important�moment; that�was�a�intergenerational
meeting�of�Civil�Rights leaders�with�President�Obama.
I�said�to�him,�I'm�like,�"Obama, you�can't�call�people�'thugs!'"
He�had�just�called�the Baltimore�protestors�"thugs."
And�he�looked�at me�and�he�was�like,
"DeRay,�you�said�things�on TV�you�shouldn't�say�either."
And�I�was�like...
"But�I'm�not�the�president."
And�he�was�like, "You're�right."
And�I�was�like,�"Thank you,�President�Obama."
Your�boy�Obama.
You�once�tweeted,�"Protesters are�the�entrepreneurs�of
American�democracy."
Did�I�tweet�that?!
-You�tweeted�that. -When?!
How�much�money should�they�make?
-Did�I�tweet�that?! -You�tweeted�that!
I�think�people�should�be�p- social�justice�work�is�work.
How�much�do�you�make?
Our�tax�forms�are�public.
[Ziwe]�Hm.
-They're�on�there. -[ding]
Got�it.
Next�on � Ziwe...
Did�you�know�that�when you�were�being�tear-gassed,
that�you�were�going�to�get�a guest�spot�in�'Being�Mary�Jane?'
No!
chimes
I�put�the�"racy" in�"democracy."
chimes
exciting�strings
Your�interview�with�Katy�Perry stoked�a�lot�of�criticism�for
being�a�publicity�stunt.
Why�are�you�sighing?
Okay,�w-�what?
What�about�Katy?
Can�I�even�show you�the�question?
It�says�"How�did�you�book�her?"
-Zoom�in�on�that! -[laughs]
[Ziwe]�How�dare you�interrupt�me?
I�actually�think�it's�rude�to come�on�someone's�show�and�be
surprised�they're�gonna�ask about�the�things�you�did�in�the
past!
Katy�is�my�friend.
Uh,�I�am�on�the�board of�Katy's�foundation,
The�Firework�Foundation, and�we�run�a�summer�camp,
and�Katy�and�I�are�both�camp counselors�at�the�summer�camp.
We�have�one�coming up�in�September.
You�are�camp counselors�at�the�summer�camp?!
Yeah,�Katy's�like�a legitimate�counselor;
she's�not�like�a just...there�hanging�out.
And�what�do�you�and Katy�Perry�do�at�this�camp?
We're�not�the�only�counselors.
There's,�like,�a whole�set�of�counselors.
Well,�I�don't�mean it�in�a�creepy�way,
I�mean�what�do�you�and�the multiple�counselors�-�plus�the
very-famous�celebrity�Katy Perry�-�do�at�the�camp?
We've�done�go-kart,�we�do- they�design�a�shoe�for�Katy
Perry's�collection...
Are�you�and�Katy�Perry involved�in�a�content�farm?
[laughs]
No,�they're�middle-schoolers!
You�know,�any�way�that�I can�help�make�a�difference,
sign�me�up!
Do�you�have�a�board- are�you�a�foundation?
Can�I�be�on�the�board?
You�love�a�board,�chile!
[laughs]
You�go�to�exclusive fashion�events�sometimes,
like�this�Gucci�Hamptons�party.
Are�you�there�to�canvass?
Uh,�I'm�on�the�Gucci Changemakers�council.
Well,�how�many councils�are�you�on?!
[laughs]
I�am;�I'm�on�the board�of�Rock�the�Vote,
Katy's�board,�uh, Gucci�Changemakers.
I�think�those are�the�only...
boards�I'm�on, besides�our�board.
I�love�boards�as�well.
What�inspired�your�decision to�run�for�mayor�of�Baltimore?
Was�it�a�lust�for�power�or�to take�a�job�away�from�a�Black
-woman? -Ah!
Well,�let's�be�clear, you�know-
Could�you�do�that scream�again?
It�wa-�[laughs]
It�was�the�right�decision,�and that�woman�who�won�ended�up�in
jail�for�fraud.
But�running�for�mayor�was�an acknowledgement�that�the�people
who�were�running...
were�not�the�bee's�knees and�that,�like,
I�could�do�a better�job�than�that.
Speaking�of�platforms,�um,�your photograph�is�hanging�at�the
National�Portrait�Gallery.
Can�you�name�five�Black�female activists�you'd�probably�taken
the�spot�of?
I�wanna�believe�that there�is�room�for�all�of�us,
uh,�but�I�think�that�there�needs to�be�a�portrait�of�Diane�Nash,
who�is�an�incredible leader�of�the�Freedom�Riders;
Fannie�Lou�Hamer, obviously;
Bell�Hooks,�right?
Rest�in�Peace.
Septima�Clark,�and...
I�think�Coretta doesn't�get�enough...
Coretta�Scott�King.
Coretta�doesn't�get�enough sort�of�praise�as�an�organizer
-herself- -[Ziwe]�Mm.
As�an�activist�herself.
Okay,�can�I�ask�you�some questions�about�8�Can't�Wait?
Yes.
8�Can't�Wait�worked!
It�was�one�of�the most�successful-
[Ziwe]�It�worked?!
-Yeah! -[Ziwe]�Really?!
It's�the�single�biggest reduction�to�the�power�of�police
in�American�history.
[Ziwe]�So�8�Can't Wait�and�Campaign�Zero.
There's�in-fighting,�there's alleged�accusations�being�thrown
around.
So�are�you�a�messy [bleep]�that�lives�for�drama?
[laughs]
Um...
No,�you�know, here's�the�thing:
some�people�don't�love�me�or the�work�that�we�do�or�people
on�our�team�or�our approach,�right?
[Ziwe]�Mm.
And�the�goal wasn't�to�be�popular,
the�goal�was�to�figure�out�how to�do�right�by�Black�people�and
-community... -[Ziwe]�Mm.
And�every�single�day,�I'm confident�that�we�do�that.
Would�you�say�that�you're�the living�embodiment�of�a�corporate
release�statement?
No,�we�break�the law�all�the�time!
Oh�my�gosh,�why�would you�say�that�on�camera?!
[laughs]
You've�been�critical of�fellow�activist...
Shaun�King�for mishandling�funds.
Okay.
Do�you�think�it's�generally�a good�idea�to�be�skeptical�of
people�who�rise�to fame�through�activism?
Y-�yeah,�I�think�that-�I think�that�celebrity�corrodes
-almost�all�things,�right? -Mm!
Uh,�and�I-�when�I�think about�the�platform�I�have,
I�think�about�it�as a�tool,�not�a�goal.
Often,�being�in�places�allows�me to�say�the�thing�to�the�people
or�get�close�to�the�people�so�I can�ask�them�about�this�or
"Can�you�do�the�law?"
or�"Can�you-�can�we have�a�meeting�about�this?"
-Those�sort�of�things. -Mm.
Uh,�but�the�moment�that�fame or�visibility�becomes�the�goal,
I've�just�seen�it�ruin�people; I've�seen�it...
What?
Every�guest�has�a�nugget�that they�wanna�share�on�the�show.
The�nugget�is�that we�can�win,�you�know?
I�think�about�the-�the wave�of�protests�-�2014,
2020,�all�these�people�in�the street�-�and�the�thing�that�I
take�away�from�it�is�that,�like, we�can�actually�change�this.
I'm�a�believer�in�democracy.
Do�you�have�anything�to�ask�me before�we�go�for�the�rest�of�our
lives?
-Yes. -What?
Did�you�vote�for�Eric�Adams?
The�only�politician�that�I�will stand�up�for�every�single�day�is
Andrew�Yang.
Andrew�Yang
[both�in�unison] What's�not�to�like?
And�that's�our�show.
chime
exciting�music
This�just�in: rain�is�wet�as�hell!
This�just�in:�studies�show it�feels�good�to�stress�eat!
And�it's�good�for�you!
Mmm,�salt!
Yum.
This�just�in:�more pictures�of�Spiderman!
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