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patriotic�music

Every�election�is�a facelift�for�the�country,

and�babe,�we're�lookin'�botched.

I�mean�"snatched."

Sure,�some�cities don't�have�water,

but�let's�talk about�the�ones�that�do!

I�don't�let�myself get�discouraged,

which�is�why�I�bring�this�quote with�me�whenever�I�enter�the

voting�booth.

I�think�that,�to�be very�honest�with�you,

I-�I�do�believe�that�we...

should�have�rightly�believed but�we�certainly�believed�that

certain�issues�are�just�settled.

Certain�issues�are�just�settled.

And�that's�why�I�do believe�that�we�are�living,

sadly,�in,�um,�real unsettled...times.

Iconic�words�from�Vice President�Kamala�Harris.

[eagle�caws]

People�say�that democracy�isn't�cool,

but�then�how�do�you�explain�why there�are�so�many�long�lines�at

the�polls,�idiot?!

[sighs]�Don't�fight me�on�this�because,

in�the�words�of activist�Kandi�Burruss,

"I�am�not�Michelle�Obama.

You�go�low,�I'm goin'�low�wit�cha!"

U-S-A:�where�sparklers�are legal,�despite�the�danger.

Tonight,�I'll�be�joined by�Bob�the�Drag�Queen.

Democrats�are pass-around�party�bottoms.

And�DeRay�Mckesson.

There�is�no�America without�Black�people.

U-S-A!

U-S-A!

Oh,�no!

Ziwe � starts�now!

cool�theme�music

My�guest�tonight�is an�iconic�drag�queen,

comedian,�and�activist�who believes�in�the�power�of

democracy.

Show�them�what democracy�looks�like!

[Ziwe�VO]�He�was�arrested�while exercising�his�First�Amendment

right.

All�equality!

[Ziwe�VO]�His�HBO travel�show, � We're�Here,

reveals�his�true pro-America�agenda.

Please�welcome Bob�the�Drag�Queen!

Ah!

-"Yankee�Doodle" -Ah.

My�little�wave�to�the�world.

-How�are�you?! -Hello,�thank�you�for�coming!

I'm�beyond�excited.

I'm�beyond�excited.

What's�beyond�excited?

What's�the�next�level?

Um,�titillated.

I'm�very�excited to�titillate�you.

I'll�tittle�you!

No,�let's�just�hop into�this�interview,

because�I�have�a�lot�of questions�for�you�about...

democracy.

-I�love�democracy. -[Ziwe]�You�do?

-We�stan. -We�stan�democracy?

Oh,�we�stan�democracy.

Okay,�[bleep],�marry, kill:�legislative�branch,

executive�branch, judicial�branch?

Are�we�talking,�like,�2009?!

Why�would�you�take it�[laughing]�to�2009?

There�was�a�hot person�in�office�in�2009.

Barack�Obama?

Yes,�of�all�the�people�who've been�in�office�since�I've�been

alive,�he's�the�#1.

And�that's�Ronald Reagan,�Bill�Clinton,

Obama...

What�year�do�you think�I�was�born?

1985?

What�year�were�you�born?!

I�was�born�in 2002�'cause�I'm�19.

So�you�don't�think we're�the�same�age.

[guffawing]�Wow!

I'm�shook.

You-�you�were actually�really�close,

and�I'm�hurt�by�that.

Where�were�you January�6th,�2021?

Funny�you�should�ask...

because�you'll�notice�I�went dark�on�social�media�that�day,

and�my�GPS was�turned�off,

and�I�do�have�a very�long�CVS�receipt

for�one�tube�of�ChapStick�that was�purchased�on�the�Upper�West

Side�of�Manhattan�that�is�the only�evidence�of�where�I�was.

That's�my�story�and I'm�sticking�to�it.

patriotic�music

How�would�you�rate�the�Great American�Experiment�on�a�scale

of�"sashay"�to�"slay?"

-Oh,�this�whole�country? -Yeah!

America!

In�the�main�challenge,�you really�let�freedom�ring.

But�on�the�runway...

you�were�not�shining from�sea�to�shining�sea.

I'm�sorry,�my�dear,�but you�are�up�for�elimination.

That�was�my�RuPaul.

Not�as�good�as�my�Obama�but...

Okay,�well,�do- do�the�Barack�Obama.

Thank�you!

Was�that-�it's�like pulling�teeth�around�here!

Ugh.�[clears�throat]

[Obama�voice] Uh...America,�uh...

I,�uh,�was�talking�to Michelle,�and,�uh...

she�was,�uh,�telling me,�uh,�that...

it�is�time�to�show up�for�each�other!

[regular�voice]�Are�you gonna�acknowledge�that�was�good?

Yes.

I�need�you�to�acknowledge that�that�was�a�very�good�Barack

Obama.

I'm�saying�it's�good!

What-�how�much validation�do�you�need?

Uh,�maybe�just�one�more.

It�was�good.

That's�the�same�one!�[laughs]

On�an�episode�of�Billboard Pride's�'Spillin'�the�Tea,'

you�said,�"All�white people�are�racist."

Just�to�show�America you're�not�biased,

could�you�make�a�sweeping generalization�about�Black

people?

All�Black�people�in�America...

um,�have�probably,�um...

tense�music

been�at�the�receiving�end�of some�form�of�white�supremacy

ideology.

Wow,�and�can�you�make�a generalization�about�Latinos?

I'm�gonna�pass�on�that�one.

Asians?

Pass�on�that�one�too.

Indigenous�people?

Oh,�I-�mm,�pass on�that�one�too.

Interesting�that�you�didn't�say they�were�subject�to�racism�as

well.

[inhales�sharply]�Cancelled.

You�didn't�even�ask�for�my pronouns�when�I�sat�down!

I�read�them!

They're�she/her�and�also�he/him.

Well,�I�updated them�this�morning.

Oh,�what�are�they�now?

Just�reversed;�now he/him�and�she/her.

Could�you�tell�them�that�we'll be�right�back�after�the�break?

[Obama�voice]�Uh...America, uh,�we�will�be�right�back,

uh,�after�this�short�break!

[Ziwe�VO]�Next�on � Ziwe...

Do�you�want�me�to explain�fisting?

You�just�kinda�cram�it.

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[man�VO]�From�the�majestic heights�of�the�Rocky�Mountains

to�the�awe-inspiring depths�of�the�Grand�Canyon,

America�is�definitely�not�in the�grips�on�an�ethnocentric

backlash�against�the historically�disenfranchised,

all�because�a�couple�of�brokeys didn't�want�to�pay�taxes�to

Britain.

Across�her�wide-open�prairies roam�the�steady�winds�of�freedom

-�the�kind�of�feel-good metaphor�that�lets�you�know

America�is�the�real�deal,�with real�judicial�appointments�that

are�built�to�last like�a�big�old�truck,

a�truck�that�makes�laws that�are�balanced�and�fair.

-[women]�No�justice! -[crowd]�No�peace!

[man�VO]�Whether�gazing�up�at the�starry�skies�of�the�country

or�the�twinkling lights�of�the�city,

America�knows�how to�dream�big...

and�incarcerate�big, because�people�deserve�it.

Bad�Americans:�jailed.

Good�Americans:�free.

A�nation�where�every�politician is�definitely�effective�and

definitely�gets�things�done

and�is�definitely�not�too�old�- because�that�would�be�ageist�-

and�a�Congress�that�definitely wants�to�do�anything,

-anything�at�all. -[Senator�Johnson]�I-�I�object.

[man�VO]�Whether�breaking a�new�record�for�speed...

-[overlapping�shouting] -endurance...

[overlapping�shouting]

-or�strength... -[crowd]�U-S-A!�U-S-A!

[man�VO]�America celebrates�its�champions...

-Roman�Polanski. -[cheers�and�applause]

[man�VO]�And�is ready�to�celebrate�you.

America:�the�only�country that�is�big�and�strong.

Plan�your�visit today�at�usausausa.baby.me.

exciting�strings

If�you�could�give�a�shout-out to�some�of�your�favorite�Black

female�politicians...

Can�I�tell�you�one�of�my-�a moment�that�really�rocked�my

world�before�I�give�a�shout-out?

-[Ziwe]�What? -[sighs]

When�you're�Black...

and�you're-�you're�kinda�raised to�root�for�everyone�Black,

so�you�kind�of�just do�it�blindly.

Yes.

Without�even considering�what�they're�up�to.

Got�it.

And�when�I�was�younger, I�really�was,�like,

very�inspired by�Condoleeza�Rice.

[Ziwe]�Oh,�got�it! Yes.

And�then�I�got older,�and�I�was�like,

"Oh,�she�w-�oh!

Oh..."

Think�about�the�things that�woman�had�to�overcome.

Her�name�was�"Condolisa Ri-"�Is�it�"Condoleeza?"

"Condoleeza�Rice."

-"Condoleeza." -Yeah.

It's�kind�of�an amazing�name.

And�it's�like,�when�you have�a�name�like�"Oprah"�or

"Condoleeza,"�you have�to�make�it�big.

And�to�be�clear,�when�you say�"A�name�like�'Oprah'..."

A�name�that,�like, white�people�would�be�like,

"What's�with�that�name?"

Like�"Condoleeza."

Like�a�Black-�she�has�a- it's�a�old�Black�country�name.

It�is?

What�is�the�last�13-year-old white�girl�you�met�named

-"Condoleeza?" -[ding]

[Ziwe]�Wow.

But�anyway,�I�was inspired�by�her�as�a�kid,

and�as�I�got�older,�I started�to�be�like,

"Oh,�no,�she's�kinda...

[bleep]ed."

But�Stacey�Abrams.

What's�wild�about Stacey�Abrams�is,�like,

there's�so�much expectation�of�Black�women�to,

like,�kind�of�save the�day�in�politics,

so,�I�mean,�you famously�once�said,

quote,�"You�can�always�rely on�progress�from�Black�women."

Mm-hm.

So�what�issues�are�you currently�waiting�for�Black

women�to�fix?

Um,�I-�I�don't�know�that�I'm waiting�for�Black�women�to�fix

things,�but�when they�do,�you�know,

I'm�like...

they-�they�kinda do�their�own�thing.

I'm-�I'm�not�like,�you�know...

getting�Black�women to�do�certain�things.

I�need�you�to�acknowledge that�that�was�a�very�good�Barack

Obama.

[slow-mo]�It�was�good.

But�I�think�that�Black�women will�shock�us�in�the�future�with

what�they've�fixed.

We�won't�even- sometimes�there�are,

you�know,�different�factions�of people�working�their�own�things

in�their�own�time.

So�do�you�think�that�if Stacey�Abrams�takes�a�day�off,

democracy�will�die?

Well,�what�day�is�it?

On�a�Tuesday.

Which�season?

Fall.

Death�of�democracy.

Wow!

You've�claimed�Harriet�Tubman was�the�first�Black�superhero.

Yes!

Who�would�win�in�a�fight: Harriet�Tubman�or�Spiderman.

Um,�I'm�gonna�go with�Harriet�Tubman.

How�would�she beat�Spiderman's�ass?

-Well,�she�has�a�gun. -[gunshot]

[crew�laughter]

And�is�this�the�Tom Holland�version�or�the...

-Tobey�Maguire? -That�twink?

[scoffs]�Oh,�she�would�ruin.

Tom�Hollands�is�98�lbs soaking�wet�with�rain�boots�on.

Harriet�Tubman�is�a scout�for�the�US�military.

The�cardio�on�this�woman?

From�below�the�Mason Dixie�to�Canada�12�times?!

Also,�those�guns back�in�the�day,

it�wasn't,�like, a�little�bullet.

It�would�wreck�your�whole�shit!

Closed�casket!

[slam]

And�your�impression�of�Harriet Tubman�shooting�Spiderman�to

camera?

Watch�out,�Spidan[bleep]!

exciting�cinematic�music

[Ziwe�VO]�Next�on � Ziwe...

Hi,�are�you�Team�Oligarchy?

Or�Team�De-mocracy? [chuckles]

chimes

"The�Star-Spangled Banner"�hip-hop�beat

chimes

Famously,�you�once�said,�quote, that�you�thought�about�possibly

running�for�office.

N-�[laughs]�no, I�n-�[laughs]

Yeah,�you�did!

Bob,�would�you�run for�office�one�day?

Maybe�down�the�line when�I've�had�enough,

I�will.

No,�I'm-�I'm�not cut�out�for�politics.

I�don't�have�what�it�takes.

What�does�it�take?

I�think�it�takes,�um,�one,�a level�of�servitude�that�I�don't

have;�I'm�not�very�subservient.

I'm�a�dom�top.

Maybe�down�the�line

Down�the,�down the,�down�the�line

Most�politicians,�are�they power�bottoms�or�are�they�dom

tops?

Republicans�or�Democrats?

'Cause�the�Green�Party, they're�fisting�bottoms.

-They're�nasty. -Wow!

Oh,�the�Green�Party?

You�don't�wanna [bleep]�with�them.

What�does�that�even�mean?

Fisting?

-It's�when�you�take�your�hand- -No,�I-�oh,�gosh.

Oh,�okay,�sorry.

Do�you�want�me�to explain�fisting?

With�consent,�can�I explain�it�to�you?

In�relation�to�politics.

Fisting�is�when�you�take�a ballot�and�you�put�it�in�the

box,�so�you�kind�of�have�to crunch�up�the�ballot�like�this

so�that�it�can�fit�in�there, and�then�you�just�kinda�cram�it.

And�the�Republicans?

Um,�they're- they're�kind�of,�um.

lazy�tops.

Democrats?

Democrats�are pass-around�party�bottoms.

Oh,�wow!

Yeah.

Do�you�need�me�to�describe�what a�pass-around�party�bottom�is?

For�the�record,�yes, please,�to�your�camera.

-It's�when�you�pick�a�bottom... -[Ziwe]�Yes.

And�you�pass�'em around�at�a�party.

Yes.

Don't�knock�it until�you've�tried�it.

Being�a�Democrat?

"The Star-Spangled�Banner"

[Ziwe�VO]�Next�on � Ziwe...

[laughing]�This...is...rigged!

Rigged!

chimes

Nice�country�you�got�there.

Would�be�a�shame�if something�happened�to�it.

Donate�now�and�I'll see�what�I�can�do.

chimes

exciting�strings

It's�time�to�play Mobilize�the�Vote.

Could�you�sing�the�jingle?

Mobilize�the�vote

Mobilize�that mutha[bleep]in'�voooote...

N[bleep].

I�thought�you�were gonna�say�it�with�me.

Can�I�say�n[bleep]�on�this�show?

Yeah.

Can�you�say�it�with�me,�though?

No.

Someone�is�going to�spin�the�wheel.

Based�on�where�it�lands,�you will�have�to�inspire�that�group

to�rock�the�vote�by�picking something�out�of�the�Bag�of

-Tricks. -[Bob]�Got�it.

Let's�begin!

Richard�Nixon?

[Bob]�Oh,�God.

Wow!

That's...really...

bubonic�plague!

[Bob]�It's�a�little�dark.

[Ziwe]�Perfect�for�the�times.

Great,�spin�the�wheel!

patriotic�music

Ratata-tatata-tatata.

[Ziwe]�LGBTQ+.

Uh,�"Plug�their�favorite�beer."

Lesbians,�I'm�talkin'�to�you!

So�listen,�Edna!

I'm�gonna�need�you�to�put down�the�Pabst�Blue�Ribbon,

call�your�twink cousin,�let�him�know...

we're�votin'�this�November.

Spin�again.

patriotic�music

Oh,�this�is�your�people!

The�way�you�come�on my�show�to�insult�me...

[long�beep]

Spin�again.

patriotic�music

Your�people.

[laughs]

[shrieking�laugh]

Wow,�Nene!

Wow!

"Blank�is�on�the�ballot."

Elders.

I'm�sorry�to�interrupt you�from�watching�the�news,

which�you�love�to�do, or�from�doing�sudoku.

Now,�I�know�that as�you...mature,

um,�getting�to�live becomes�much�more�expensive.

And�let's�just�say�medication...

is�on�the�ballot.

That�sounds�like�a�threat.

eerie�tone

chimes

Democracy�works�if you�work�it,�pledge.

So�let's�play�Electoral�College.

Jingle�me!

All�right,�here�we�go.

Uh,�Electoral�College

Bi-di�di�di

[Ziwe]�All�you�have�to�do�is take�a�ping�pong�ball�and�toss

it�into�a�cup.

That�will�be�your�vote.

Hey!

Because�you�did�it�wrong, the�Scantron�was�messed�up.

[buzzer]

Your�vote�didn't�count�because you�didn't�have�a�witness�when

you�signed.

-[buzzer] -Yikes.

Okay,�here�we�go.

Sorry,�the polling�site�is�closed.

[laughs]�Oh�my�God!

Okay,�woo!

Ayyy!

Gang�gang�gang!

Sorry,�that�one�doesn't�count!

Well,�why doesn't�that�one�count?

Because�we�lost your�votes�in�the�mail.

-[buzzer] -Wow!

That's�the�show! [laughs]

Let�me�vote�as�a�white�guy.

Oh�my�God!

[overlapping�dings]

exciting�music

This�just�in:�Local�Man�Does Horrific�Thing�with�Horrific

Weapon.

For�more�on�this story,�my�co-anchor�Ike.

Thank�you,�Ziwe.

Sources�say�he�got�said�horrific weapon�from�Horrific�Weapons

Store.

Local�politicians�are shocked�to�learn�that,

based�on�their�inaction, everything�played�out�to�its

logical�conclusion.

Ike?

More�after�we�find�out�the perpetrator's�race�and�gender.

Ziwe?

White�and�male.

Back�to�you,�Ike.

And�now,�a�word from�our�sponsors.

The�only�way�we're�able�to�bring you�this�in-depth�coverage�is

because�of�the�generous�support of�the�horrific�weapon's�parent

company.

uplifting�jovial�music

If!�Only!�Somebody!�Could!

Tell�me!�Why!�This! Keeps!�Happening!

The�million!�Dollar! Question!

I'd�be�a�rich�woman if�I�knew�the�answer.

Breaking�news...

Actually,�no�breaking news�at�the�moment.

I,�uh...

Well,�uh...

It's�just�that�these�events�keep happening�so�quickly�one�after

the�other�that�I,�uh...

Well,�you�know,�the�first�thing I�feel�after�I�peeled�back�the

layer�of�numbness is�an�anger,

followed�with�hints�of a�sad�helplessness.

somber�pensive�music

This�just�in:�meet�the�doctors that�are�required�to�sing!

Is�the�best�medicine�music?!

Do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti cured!

exciting�music

Welcome�to Democracy:�The�Game�Show!

exciting�game�show�music

Where�the�rules�were�made up�a�very�long�time�ago,

and�you�have�to�not question�them�at�all.

Guess�what�-�this game�is�not�rigged,

just�like�democracy!

Let's�play.

Please�welcome�the�contestants!

Are�you�ready�for�democracy?!

[Ziwe�VO] Contestant�#1�is�Elizabeth,

a�schoolteacher�from�New�Jersey.

Are�you�ready�for�democracy?!

And�then�do�a- can�you�krump?

Like,�"Are�you�ready?!"

"The�Star-Spangled Banner"�hip-hop�beat

Contestant�#2�is�Mark, a�guy�in�New�York�City.

Are�you�ready�for�democracy?!

Before�we officially�play�the�game,

I�need�you�to�prove�that you're�American�citizens.

The�person�with�the most�identity�wins.

Show�me�your�identification.

Licenses!

Voter�registration!

You�knew�this�was about�democracy!

-Credit�card... -[Ziwe]�Wow!

Um...teacher�ID...

Okay,�teacher�ID!

Union�shout-outs!

Come�on,�Mark.

Voter�ID...

Do�you�always�travel with�your�voter�ID?

Yeah,�I�keep�it right�under�my�ID.

-The�voter�ID�card�wins. -[ding]

That's�one�point,�but�Elizabeth, I�think�teachers�are�our�best

laborers,�so�a point�for�you,�too.

-Thank�you. -[ding]

Now,�let's�play�a�game;�it's called�Lesser�of�Two�Evils.

I'll�tell�you about�two�candidates,

and�I'll�need�you�to�run�to the�lesser�of�two�evils�and�tag

them�with�your�I�Voted�sticker.

Now,�Candidate�A is�a�sex�offender,

and�Candidate�B�is�a milder�sex�offender.

So�who�are�you�gonna�vote�for?

[sighs]

We�have�to�choose,�right?

Or�you�don't�vote.

Lesser�of�two�evils!

-[ding]�[ding] -Wow,�I�love�that�for�us.

Candidate�A�is�a�gay�pro-life Democrat�and�Candidate�B�is�a

Black�Republican.

[Mark]�I�can't�go�pro-life.

[ding]

[Ziwe]�Oh,�Herschel�Walker.

[Elizabeth]�I'm�just gonna�close�my�eyes.

[ding]

[Ziwe]�Candidate A�is�98�years�old,

Candidate�B�is�a�woman.

Okay,�we're pro-woman;�I�love�that�vibe.

[ding]

Okay,�Candidate�A lied�about�being�Black,

Candidate�B�thinks Black�people�lie.

I'm�gonna�sit�this�one�out.

You're�gonna-�you're�not gonna�vote�in�this�election?!

I'm�choosing�between the�lesser�of�two�evils.

I-�I�don't�think either�of�them�is�less,

but�I�also�don't�want�to�not exercise�my�right�to�vote,

so�my�gut instinct�is�to�sit�out.

exciting�game�show�music

[buzzer]

[Ziwe]�The�next�round�is called�Where�are�Your�Morals?

Stand�up�against�what you�hate�in�politics.

What�do�you�guys�hate?

What�do�I�hate?

-Yes,�hurry! -[Mark]�Okay,�oh,�geez.

-Well,�I�hate�ConEd. -[ding]

They're�awful.

-Not�a�fan�of�cops. -[ding]

Wow!

I�hate�racism,�I hate�inequality,

I�hate�liars.

Now,�here's�a�question�for�you: this�could�be�full�with�money.

[cash�register�ding]

So�I�wanna�know�how�much�cash would�it�take�for�you�to�drop

your�morals.

$100?

No.

$15,000?

No.

$1�million.

[softly]�Yeah.

-$1�million? -Yeah.

Please�say�"I�love�Con�Edison."

Con�Edison�is�just�fine.

[dramatic�thud]

[Ziwe]�It's�time�to�dab�your way�into�America's�heart�by

doing�a�little�dance,�just�like your�political�heroes�have�done.

Whoever's�my�favorite�wins.

Hit�it!

-For�democracy? -Dab�for�democracy!

Dab�for-�isn't that-�isn't�this-

Dab!

Isn't�this,�like...

Dab!

"The Star-Spangled�Banner"

[dinging]

[Ziwe]�In�this�next�game, you'll�sing�a�song�to�win�the

Black�vote.

It's�called�"The Black�National�Anthem."

Do�you�guys�know�that?

I�hardly�know�the�words�to the-�the�white�national�anthem.

[eagle�caw]

The�white�national...?

-[buzzer] -[dramatic�thud]

Hit�it!

"Lift�Every Voice�and�Sing"

Lift�every voice�and�sing

Sing!

I�just-

Can�I�sing�this as�a�white�woman?!

-Is�this�a�trap? -It�doesn't...

Is�capitalism�a�trap?

-[softly]�Little�bit. -Mm...

Are�the�major�tenets�of our�government�a�trap?

Is�democracy�a�trap?

No!

Then�no,�this�is�not�a�trap.

-[buzzer] -[dramatic�thuds]

This�is�called�Stay in�Line,�to�vote!

This�money�in�your hands�is�your�life�savings,

so�hold�onto�it�as�long�as possible�while�standing�on�one

foot�or�you�lose�your�vote.

Okay,�stay�in�line!

Work!

Go�back�to�work!

Wooooork!

Wooooork!

Voting!

Voting!

Oh,�you�dropped�your�money!

[landslide]

-[buzzer] -Final:�beat�The�Essay�Contest!

Explain�why�democracy�is great,�but�don't�be�boring!

If�you're�boring,�I�get to�ring�my�little�bell.

[bell�rings]

For�whom�the�bell�tolls!

Democracy's�great 'cause�it's,�uh...

the�actual�government�that�is for�the�peop-�[bell�rings]

Elizabeth?!

Democracy�is�about�voting, and�voting�is�about�using�your

-voice. -[bell�rings]

I'm�ringing�that bell�positively.

And�that's�The Democracy�Game�Show!

triumphant�music

-You�both�lost. -[dramatic�thud]

chimes

I�don't�believe�in�free�speech.

It's�going�to�cost you�to�hear�my�voice.

chimes

My�next�guest�is�a�Civil Rights�activist�and�podcaster,

whose�work�first�became�highly visible�during�the�Ferguson

-protests. -[crowd]�Black�lives�matter!

The�police�killing people�has�to�stop.

patriotic�music

[Ziwe�VO]�From�police�reform campaigns�to�a�well-funded

Baltimore�mayoral�race,

to�his�iconic�blue Patagonia�vest,

he�is�one�of�the�most�online political�figures�working

today.

DeRay�Mckesson!

-Thank�you. -[applause]

That's�so�fun.

I�love�your�Blackness�and�mine!

I�love�you�in�this�vest.

A�cut-off�vest�is�great.

Thank�you,�I�had�to keep�it�a�little�slutty.

elegant�music

[laughs]

I�love�that�you�have�a�vest!

I�love�that � you � have�a�vest!

What's�a�more�iconic�look,�the Black�Panther�beret�or�a�DeRay

vest?

The�beret.

But�I�love�a�good�vest!

You�know,�I-�I've�had the�vest�for�a�long�time.

Is�it�the�same�vest every�single�time?

Same�vest.

When�it�rips, Patagonia�will�fix�it�for�me.

[Ziwe]�And�do�you�wash�it?

I�do;�it�takes�a�long�time 'cause�you�have�to�dry�it�with

tennis�balls�[chuckling]�so that�the�down�doesn't�clump.

Or�I�can�actually�ask Patagonia�to�help�me�wash�it.

Okay,�Patagonia�flex!

I�don't�have�a�deal�with�them.

Do�you�need�an�agent?

What's�stopping�you from�getting�a�deal?

What's�a�deal like�with�Patagonia?

It-�it�would�be�cool�to do�a�line�of�acti-vests.

Get�it?

"Acti-vests?"

Isn't�that�cool?

Do�you�agree�with�the following�statements?

Oh,�God...

[Ziwe]�Please�repeat after�me�if�you�do.

Here�we�go.

"I�love�the�United States�of�America."

-I...love�Black�people. -[ding]

"I�love�the�government."

[ding]

"I�have�nothing�but�admiration and�respect�for�the�troops,

who�lay�down�their�lives�each day�to�protect�our�country."

If�the�troops�are�Black people,�then�absolutely.

-[ding] -[Ziwe]�Got�it.

So�you�only support�Black�troops?

Uh,�I�support�Black�people.

Black�people�made this,�you�know?

There�is�no�America without�Black�people.

Tea!

Boom.

Where�were�you�January�6th?

Watching�white�people�run�up on�the�Capitol�and�the�police�do

nothing.

January�6th�is�so�fascinating because�if�Black�people�had�done

that,�as�you�know,�they'd�have shot�at-�the�10�police�there

would�have�shot�everybody.

Oh�my�gosh!

They�did�more�to�us�when all�we�had�was�cell�phones.

Mm.

Those�people-�I�will�never forget�that�man�putting�his�feet

on�Nancy�Pelosi's�desk.

That�is�wild.

I�would�never storm�the�Capitol,

but�other�people�are�a little�more�radical.

Now�DeRay,�I�remember�very vividly�the�Ferguson�uprising.

Why�would�you�say�that�you�are sort�of�a�face�of�this�movement?

I�think�that�my�tweets resonated�with�people,

and�I�hoped�that�they�were�able to�use�them�to�mobilize�across

the�country,�but I'm-�I-�I�sit�here�as,�like,

one�of�many�people�who stood�in�the�street�in�2014,

and�I'm�of�that.

You�stand�on�the forefathers�of�people�like�Jack,

for�example.

-Jack? -Jack,�Twitter�man.

Oh,�Twitter,�uh, ah-�[chuckles]

Well,�if�I�stand�on�the shoulders�of�Jack�in�terms�of

protests,�but�I consider�Jack�a�friend.

-[Ziwe]�Oh,�you�do? -Yeah.

Flex!

I�mean...�[chuckles]

Are�you�in�favor�of Elon�Musk's�buying�Twitter?

No.

You�don't�support African-American

entrepreneurship?

[laughs]

If�you�had�to�estimate,�how many�watch�lists�do�you�think

you're�on?

Today?

I�don't�know,�not a�lot,�hopefully.

But�back�then,�it�was�a�lot.

For�those�watching�at�home,�I have�no�association�with�this

man�whatsoever.

And�the�FBI-�I�will tell�you,�I'll�never�forget,

I�was�somewhere,�um,�where�Miss Tina�was�and�I�had-�the�FBI�had

just�come�to�my�house, and�I�tweeted�about�it,

and�she�just,�like- you�know,�people�were,�like,

nervous�about being�around�me,

and�I�was�like,�"I didn't-�I�didn't�do�anything!

The�FBI�just�stopped�by."

And�what�did�Miss�Tina-�what does�she�have�to�do�with�this

story?

There�were,�like,�a set�of�people�who,�like,

didn't�wanna�be�too close�to�me�that�day...

[Ziwe]�Got�it.

That�was�just�a Beyonce�flex,�it's�okay.

-[DeRay]�It�was�a- -Just�admit�it.

-Ah... -Admit�it,�admit�it!

Oh�God,�no,�it- that�was�true.

Shout-out�to�Beyonce,�though!

We�love�Beyonce.

And�she�follows�you.

And�she�follows�me.

And�she�follows�me.

In�the�past,�you've�said�that having�a�seat�at�the�table

doesn't�matter�as�much as�people�think�it�does.

But�why�is�this�photo�of�you sitting�at�a�table�featured�on

your�website?

So�that�was�a�important�moment; that�was�a�intergenerational

meeting�of�Civil�Rights leaders�with�President�Obama.

I�said�to�him,�I'm�like,�"Obama, you�can't�call�people�'thugs!'"

He�had�just�called�the Baltimore�protestors�"thugs."

And�he�looked�at me�and�he�was�like,

"DeRay,�you�said�things�on TV�you�shouldn't�say�either."

And�I�was�like...

"But�I'm�not�the�president."

And�he�was�like, "You're�right."

And�I�was�like,�"Thank you,�President�Obama."

Your�boy�Obama.

You�once�tweeted,�"Protesters are�the�entrepreneurs�of

American�democracy."

Did�I�tweet�that?!

-You�tweeted�that. -When?!

How�much�money should�they�make?

-Did�I�tweet�that?! -You�tweeted�that!

I�think�people�should�be�p- social�justice�work�is�work.

How�much�do�you�make?

Our�tax�forms�are�public.

[Ziwe]�Hm.

-They're�on�there. -[ding]

Got�it.

Next�on � Ziwe...

Did�you�know�that�when you�were�being�tear-gassed,

that�you�were�going�to�get�a guest�spot�in�'Being�Mary�Jane?'

No!

chimes

I�put�the�"racy" in�"democracy."

chimes

exciting�strings

Your�interview�with�Katy�Perry stoked�a�lot�of�criticism�for

being�a�publicity�stunt.

Why�are�you�sighing?

Okay,�w-�what?

What�about�Katy?

Can�I�even�show you�the�question?

It�says�"How�did�you�book�her?"

-Zoom�in�on�that! -[laughs]

[Ziwe]�How�dare you�interrupt�me?

I�actually�think�it's�rude�to come�on�someone's�show�and�be

surprised�they're�gonna�ask about�the�things�you�did�in�the

past!

Katy�is�my�friend.

Uh,�I�am�on�the�board of�Katy's�foundation,

The�Firework�Foundation, and�we�run�a�summer�camp,

and�Katy�and�I�are�both�camp counselors�at�the�summer�camp.

We�have�one�coming up�in�September.

You�are�camp counselors�at�the�summer�camp?!

Yeah,�Katy's�like�a legitimate�counselor;

she's�not�like�a just...there�hanging�out.

And�what�do�you�and Katy�Perry�do�at�this�camp?

We're�not�the�only�counselors.

There's,�like,�a whole�set�of�counselors.

Well,�I�don't�mean it�in�a�creepy�way,

I�mean�what�do�you�and�the multiple�counselors�-�plus�the

very-famous�celebrity�Katy Perry�-�do�at�the�camp?

We've�done�go-kart,�we�do- they�design�a�shoe�for�Katy

Perry's�collection...

Are�you�and�Katy�Perry involved�in�a�content�farm?

[laughs]

No,�they're�middle-schoolers!

You�know,�any�way�that�I can�help�make�a�difference,

sign�me�up!

Do�you�have�a�board- are�you�a�foundation?

Can�I�be�on�the�board?

You�love�a�board,�chile!

[laughs]

You�go�to�exclusive fashion�events�sometimes,

like�this�Gucci�Hamptons�party.

Are�you�there�to�canvass?

Uh,�I'm�on�the�Gucci Changemakers�council.

Well,�how�many councils�are�you�on?!

[laughs]

I�am;�I'm�on�the board�of�Rock�the�Vote,

Katy's�board,�uh, Gucci�Changemakers.

I�think�those are�the�only...

boards�I'm�on, besides�our�board.

I�love�boards�as�well.

What�inspired�your�decision to�run�for�mayor�of�Baltimore?

Was�it�a�lust�for�power�or�to take�a�job�away�from�a�Black

-woman? -Ah!

Well,�let's�be�clear, you�know-

Could�you�do�that scream�again?

It�wa-�[laughs]

It�was�the�right�decision,�and that�woman�who�won�ended�up�in

jail�for�fraud.

But�running�for�mayor�was�an acknowledgement�that�the�people

who�were�running...

were�not�the�bee's�knees and�that,�like,

I�could�do�a better�job�than�that.

Speaking�of�platforms,�um,�your photograph�is�hanging�at�the

National�Portrait�Gallery.

Can�you�name�five�Black�female activists�you'd�probably�taken

the�spot�of?

I�wanna�believe�that there�is�room�for�all�of�us,

uh,�but�I�think�that�there�needs to�be�a�portrait�of�Diane�Nash,

who�is�an�incredible leader�of�the�Freedom�Riders;

Fannie�Lou�Hamer, obviously;

Bell�Hooks,�right?

Rest�in�Peace.

Septima�Clark,�and...

I�think�Coretta doesn't�get�enough...

Coretta�Scott�King.

Coretta�doesn't�get�enough sort�of�praise�as�an�organizer

-herself- -[Ziwe]�Mm.

As�an�activist�herself.

Okay,�can�I�ask�you�some questions�about�8�Can't�Wait?

Yes.

8�Can't�Wait�worked!

It�was�one�of�the most�successful-

[Ziwe]�It�worked?!

-Yeah! -[Ziwe]�Really?!

It's�the�single�biggest reduction�to�the�power�of�police

in�American�history.

[Ziwe]�So�8�Can't Wait�and�Campaign�Zero.

There's�in-fighting,�there's alleged�accusations�being�thrown

around.

So�are�you�a�messy [bleep]�that�lives�for�drama?

[laughs]

Um...

No,�you�know, here's�the�thing:

some�people�don't�love�me�or the�work�that�we�do�or�people

on�our�team�or�our approach,�right?

[Ziwe]�Mm.

And�the�goal wasn't�to�be�popular,

the�goal�was�to�figure�out�how to�do�right�by�Black�people�and

-community... -[Ziwe]�Mm.

And�every�single�day,�I'm confident�that�we�do�that.

Would�you�say�that�you're�the living�embodiment�of�a�corporate

release�statement?

No,�we�break�the law�all�the�time!

Oh�my�gosh,�why�would you�say�that�on�camera?!

[laughs]

You've�been�critical of�fellow�activist...

Shaun�King�for mishandling�funds.

Okay.

Do�you�think�it's�generally�a good�idea�to�be�skeptical�of

people�who�rise�to fame�through�activism?

Y-�yeah,�I�think�that-�I think�that�celebrity�corrodes

-almost�all�things,�right? -Mm!

Uh,�and�I-�when�I�think about�the�platform�I�have,

I�think�about�it�as a�tool,�not�a�goal.

Often,�being�in�places�allows�me to�say�the�thing�to�the�people

or�get�close�to�the�people�so�I can�ask�them�about�this�or

"Can�you�do�the�law?"

or�"Can�you-�can�we have�a�meeting�about�this?"

-Those�sort�of�things. -Mm.

Uh,�but�the�moment�that�fame or�visibility�becomes�the�goal,

I've�just�seen�it�ruin�people; I've�seen�it...

What?

Every�guest�has�a�nugget�that they�wanna�share�on�the�show.

The�nugget�is�that we�can�win,�you�know?

I�think�about�the-�the wave�of�protests�-�2014,

2020,�all�these�people�in�the street�-�and�the�thing�that�I

take�away�from�it�is�that,�like, we�can�actually�change�this.

I'm�a�believer�in�democracy.

Do�you�have�anything�to�ask�me before�we�go�for�the�rest�of�our

lives?

-Yes. -What?

Did�you�vote�for�Eric�Adams?

The�only�politician�that�I�will stand�up�for�every�single�day�is

Andrew�Yang.

Andrew�Yang

[both�in�unison] What's�not�to�like?

And�that's�our�show.

chime

exciting�music

This�just�in: rain�is�wet�as�hell!

This�just�in:�studies�show it�feels�good�to�stress�eat!

And�it's�good�for�you!

Mmm,�salt!

Yum.

This�just�in:�more pictures�of�Spiderman!

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