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Not just what we're doing here, 9 00:01:08,459 --> 00:01:11,854 but it's destroyed lives and it's a very real thing. 10 00:01:19,340 --> 00:01:22,647 It's been as busy as every other day was this week. 11 00:01:22,691 --> 00:01:25,520 This has been three times busier than that, 12 00:01:25,563 --> 00:01:27,217 and we started the day with ten people 13 00:01:27,261 --> 00:01:28,581 at the doorway waiting to come in. 14 00:01:28,958 --> 00:01:30,960 It's been nonstop the whole day. 15 00:01:31,569 --> 00:01:33,876 Uh, we were supposed to be limited on our vault tours, 16 00:01:33,919 --> 00:01:35,767 and we've had to not... We've had to turn people away, 17 00:01:35,791 --> 00:01:38,315 which stinks. We've had a lot of people back there, 18 00:01:38,750 --> 00:01:42,145 on the hour, and now it's just sort of the... 19 00:01:42,189 --> 00:01:44,669 Grinding out the last few minutes here. 20 00:01:44,713 --> 00:01:48,064 It's, uh, hard to believe that it's coming to a close. 21 00:01:48,847 --> 00:01:51,198 Uh, but... 22 00:01:52,199 --> 00:01:53,896 What a... what a great day to go out on. 23 00:01:53,939 --> 00:01:55,506 What a great day to go out on. 24 00:02:00,946 --> 00:02:04,167 I don't... I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that 25 00:02:04,211 --> 00:02:06,430 there could possibly be a collection of... 26 00:02:06,474 --> 00:02:09,433 Of the magnitude of what I saw. 27 00:02:09,955 --> 00:02:12,306 And I know I only saw the tip of the iceberg. 28 00:02:12,871 --> 00:02:15,874 You know, the notion of like... Of trying to curate 29 00:02:15,918 --> 00:02:17,615 the world's greatest guitar collection... 30 00:02:17,963 --> 00:02:21,358 I don't think there'll be a collection like this 31 00:02:21,402 --> 00:02:23,534 ever publicly displayed again. 32 00:02:24,361 --> 00:02:28,974 Every color of... of Telecaster and Firebirds, and... 33 00:02:29,236 --> 00:02:32,674 of the whole collection from the 1966 'Nam show, 34 00:02:32,717 --> 00:02:34,415 of course, and things like that. 35 00:02:34,458 --> 00:02:36,480 You know, I mean, one of the reasons we're shutting down, 36 00:02:36,504 --> 00:02:38,593 obviously, is COVID. We had a lease coming up. 37 00:02:39,507 --> 00:02:41,161 We've got a lot of money in this place 38 00:02:41,204 --> 00:02:43,313 and we'd have to put a lot more money in to keep it going. 39 00:02:43,337 --> 00:02:46,340 And with the lease being on the horizon, um, 40 00:02:46,383 --> 00:02:48,231 you know, was the reason that we just had to make 41 00:02:48,255 --> 00:02:50,039 a decision to go ahead and end it now, um. 42 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:52,955 We just couldn't afford to go into it deeper 43 00:02:52,998 --> 00:02:54,565 than what we already were. 44 00:02:54,609 --> 00:02:57,829 Songbirds has been such a huge part of my life 45 00:02:57,873 --> 00:02:59,483 the past three years. 46 00:02:59,962 --> 00:03:04,967 And especially through the, uh, the Coronavirus, 47 00:03:05,010 --> 00:03:07,404 and having this as a venue to come 48 00:03:08,405 --> 00:03:10,581 before we went into shutdown 49 00:03:11,147 --> 00:03:13,584 and then when we opened up, to be able to come here, 50 00:03:15,543 --> 00:03:16,587 just... 51 00:03:17,545 --> 00:03:18,981 There really aren't words. 52 00:03:19,329 --> 00:03:21,244 Just cancel it all out. 53 00:03:21,288 --> 00:03:23,353 Since you're our last customer, that's a gift from us to you, 54 00:03:23,377 --> 00:03:24,465 you can have it all. 55 00:03:26,815 --> 00:03:29,470 Just take it. But you're our last customer. 56 00:03:33,343 --> 00:03:37,695 We wish everyone at Songbirds well and we thank everyone, 57 00:03:38,348 --> 00:03:40,002 all the artists that we've seen, 58 00:03:41,525 --> 00:03:45,616 because live music is just so good for, um, 59 00:03:46,051 --> 00:03:47,401 it's good for the soul. 60 00:03:48,663 --> 00:03:49,838 Y'all love Songbirds. 61 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:53,276 The love that we've received from the thousands 62 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,104 and tens of thousands of people has just... 63 00:03:55,147 --> 00:03:56,647 I didn't realize that was even a thing. 64 00:03:56,671 --> 00:03:58,107 I didn't realize that, um, 65 00:03:59,761 --> 00:04:01,434 I didn't realize that this place had reached that many people. 66 00:04:01,458 --> 00:04:03,262 I mean I kind of did, but I didn't really know. 67 00:04:03,286 --> 00:04:04,966 You know, you don't... You don't ever know. 68 00:04:34,926 --> 00:04:38,321 Songbirds is a... Honestly, a labor of love, 69 00:04:38,365 --> 00:04:40,715 that, uh, was kind of a culmination of different 70 00:04:40,758 --> 00:04:43,065 people's passions and ideals, 71 00:04:43,108 --> 00:04:45,720 uh, to create an awesome place 72 00:04:45,763 --> 00:04:48,070 for people to appreciate music in a new light 73 00:04:48,418 --> 00:04:49,680 in Chattanooga, Tennessee. 74 00:04:50,681 --> 00:04:53,771 Uh, Songbirds is, well, it was probably 75 00:04:53,815 --> 00:04:56,121 the largest vintage guitar museum in the world. 76 00:04:56,861 --> 00:04:59,342 It's the finest collection of, mainly... 77 00:04:59,386 --> 00:05:01,388 It's got all types of guitars 78 00:05:01,431 --> 00:05:03,738 but the strong point for Songbirds was truly 79 00:05:03,781 --> 00:05:05,827 the solid body guitar, uh. 80 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:09,526 Guitars designed between '48 and '65. 81 00:05:09,570 --> 00:05:12,137 What's neat about this collection is 82 00:05:12,181 --> 00:05:14,226 it's not just about quantity. 83 00:05:14,270 --> 00:05:16,838 What I've... what I've been really astounded by is 84 00:05:16,881 --> 00:05:18,753 the quality of the pieces they've collected 85 00:05:18,796 --> 00:05:20,232 over the years. 86 00:05:20,494 --> 00:05:23,540 You're seeing great examples of, of great instruments, 87 00:05:23,584 --> 00:05:26,978 not, not things that have had things done to them. 88 00:05:27,327 --> 00:05:30,373 They're, they're all in pretty astounding condition. 89 00:05:40,514 --> 00:05:43,560 So many may ask, "When did these guitars go from being 90 00:05:43,604 --> 00:05:45,823 cheap, inexpensive, used instruments 91 00:05:45,867 --> 00:05:49,000 to suddenly becoming highly collectible vintage guitars 92 00:05:49,261 --> 00:05:51,263 that were going for tens of thousands, 93 00:05:51,307 --> 00:05:53,483 if not hundreds of thousands of dollars, 94 00:05:53,527 --> 00:05:56,225 some even hitting the million dollar mark?" 95 00:05:56,268 --> 00:05:58,270 These instruments in the '40s, '50s 96 00:05:58,314 --> 00:06:01,926 into the early '60s were pretty much handmade guitars. 97 00:06:01,970 --> 00:06:05,277 1964, The Beatles go on Ed Sullivan, 98 00:06:05,321 --> 00:06:06,931 and that's a huge turning point. 99 00:06:06,975 --> 00:06:09,412 Ladies and gentlemen, The Beatles! 100 00:06:09,456 --> 00:06:11,414 The day after that performance, 101 00:06:11,675 --> 00:06:14,374 every kid in America suddenly wanted to play guitar 102 00:06:14,417 --> 00:06:17,028 or get a drum set, or be in a rock-and-roll band. 103 00:06:17,289 --> 00:06:19,204 Everything changed almost overnight. 104 00:06:19,553 --> 00:06:21,685 So the demand for an electric guitar 105 00:06:21,729 --> 00:06:24,601 just suddenly went up, like, tenfold, 106 00:06:24,645 --> 00:06:27,169 and suddenly the manufacturers had to 107 00:06:27,212 --> 00:06:30,215 ramp up production to meet those demands. 108 00:06:30,477 --> 00:06:33,044 Fender would sell his company to CBS, 109 00:06:33,349 --> 00:06:36,308 a large corporation that knew nothing about building guitars. 110 00:06:36,352 --> 00:06:40,008 So Gibson was also sold in 1969 to a large corporation, 111 00:06:40,051 --> 00:06:41,618 much like Fender. 112 00:06:41,662 --> 00:06:43,664 And the trouble with this was these companies 113 00:06:43,707 --> 00:06:46,231 really knew nothing about building guitars, 114 00:06:46,275 --> 00:06:48,973 but again, had to show profits to shareholders. 115 00:06:49,017 --> 00:06:52,455 And so, now cost-cutting design changes were being implemented. 116 00:06:52,716 --> 00:06:56,024 By the early '70s, the quality of an American guitar 117 00:06:56,285 --> 00:06:58,461 was, was actually pretty poor. 118 00:06:58,505 --> 00:07:00,724 And if you were a guitar player in the know, 119 00:07:00,768 --> 00:07:02,509 you knew better than to go buy a new one, 120 00:07:02,552 --> 00:07:04,685 and you went looking for these older guitars. 121 00:07:04,728 --> 00:07:06,295 They were cheap, they were affordable. 122 00:07:06,338 --> 00:07:07,557 It was just a used guitar. 123 00:07:07,862 --> 00:07:09,820 They may have been scratched up a little bit, 124 00:07:09,864 --> 00:07:11,953 but they played great and sounded great. 125 00:07:12,214 --> 00:07:15,870 And what started to happen by the late '70s is with... 126 00:07:16,174 --> 00:07:18,525 As people became more and more hip to this fact, 127 00:07:18,829 --> 00:07:21,266 the demand for these used guitars started to go up. 128 00:07:21,571 --> 00:07:24,226 And suddenly, with the demand, the price went up. 129 00:07:24,269 --> 00:07:27,272 This sunburst Les Pauls like Eric Clapton played 130 00:07:27,316 --> 00:07:29,274 uh, Peter Green, Mike Bloomfield, 131 00:07:29,536 --> 00:07:31,015 those guitars were the first ones 132 00:07:31,059 --> 00:07:32,452 people really began to seek out. 133 00:07:33,104 --> 00:07:35,977 And by the mid-'80s, they were up to $5,000 already. 134 00:07:36,543 --> 00:07:40,677 It was 1958 to 1960 Sunburst Les Paul. 135 00:07:40,721 --> 00:07:42,374 They only made them for three years. 136 00:07:42,636 --> 00:07:46,161 Those guitars today start at a quarter of a million dollars. 137 00:07:48,337 --> 00:07:50,513 I started to build the collection 138 00:07:50,557 --> 00:07:52,341 for one of my clients. 139 00:07:52,384 --> 00:07:53,864 I have a store in New York. 140 00:07:53,908 --> 00:07:55,953 One of my clients wanted to build a collection, 141 00:07:55,997 --> 00:07:58,434 and that started about 23 years ago, 142 00:07:58,739 --> 00:08:00,828 and we started to build a collection, 143 00:08:00,871 --> 00:08:02,960 never thinking that it would ever turn into anything 144 00:08:03,004 --> 00:08:04,875 besides a private collection. 145 00:08:05,354 --> 00:08:08,531 Uh, this collector basically built up this collection 146 00:08:08,575 --> 00:08:12,274 over 20 years of just amazing pieces, one after the other. 147 00:08:12,927 --> 00:08:15,930 And then I think... just one day he woke up and said, 148 00:08:15,973 --> 00:08:17,864 "I got all this, what do I do with it?" You know. 149 00:08:17,888 --> 00:08:19,629 And he felt it would be great to show it 150 00:08:19,673 --> 00:08:22,414 and share it, you know, instead of keeping it hidden. 151 00:08:22,719 --> 00:08:24,765 I immediately started dedicating a lot of my time 152 00:08:24,808 --> 00:08:28,029 to trying to find what would be a location that would be ideal 153 00:08:28,072 --> 00:08:30,684 for something like a guitar museum, 154 00:08:30,727 --> 00:08:33,251 'cause that's what it was at the beginning, was a guitar museum. 155 00:08:33,730 --> 00:08:36,733 At one point, we had discussed possibly putting 156 00:08:36,777 --> 00:08:40,868 a kind of a storefront museum in Manhattan, in New York, 157 00:08:40,911 --> 00:08:44,654 but the $25,000 a month rent was pretty scary, 158 00:08:44,698 --> 00:08:46,395 and we didn't really want to do that. 159 00:08:46,438 --> 00:08:48,658 So we were looking at cities that might be able to 160 00:08:48,702 --> 00:08:51,574 accommodate this from a... from a business, economic standpoint. 161 00:08:51,618 --> 00:08:53,837 And, you know, of course, it was the usual suspects: 162 00:08:53,881 --> 00:08:57,580 Nashville, um, Austin, Texas, even Seattle, New York, 163 00:08:57,624 --> 00:08:59,321 all the places that have 164 00:08:59,364 --> 00:09:01,255 the density of tourism that would make it make sense. 165 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:02,803 They started a little scouting mission 166 00:09:02,846 --> 00:09:04,718 and they bounced around from city to city, 167 00:09:04,761 --> 00:09:08,460 going from Austin to Seattle to Nashville. 168 00:09:08,722 --> 00:09:10,637 The investors just said Chattanooga. 169 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:12,247 And then I started kind of changing 170 00:09:12,290 --> 00:09:13,814 my thought process about... 171 00:09:15,642 --> 00:09:17,402 Chattanooga in terms of being able to support it, 172 00:09:17,426 --> 00:09:19,515 because I thought 'they need this.' 173 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,778 The opportunity presented itself in Chattanooga 174 00:09:21,822 --> 00:09:24,085 with this beautiful, historic building, 175 00:09:24,128 --> 00:09:26,914 and we just felt that it kind of suited what we wanted to do. 176 00:09:27,349 --> 00:09:30,178 And we figured that if we came in here, 177 00:09:30,439 --> 00:09:33,442 it may take the, the town a little bit of time 178 00:09:33,485 --> 00:09:35,270 to catch up to what we were doing, 179 00:09:35,313 --> 00:09:38,839 but we figured, within a few years, we would be there. 180 00:09:38,882 --> 00:09:40,754 And then, at the end of the night, 181 00:09:40,797 --> 00:09:43,365 around the 8:00 hour, just so you know, 182 00:09:43,408 --> 00:09:45,846 we're gonna take a visit upstairs, and we've got 183 00:09:45,889 --> 00:09:47,954 something very, very special for you up there to see. 184 00:09:47,978 --> 00:09:49,719 I'm not gonna tell you what it is yet, 185 00:09:49,763 --> 00:09:51,939 but trust me, you'll want to stay and see 186 00:09:51,982 --> 00:09:54,202 what we've got for you upstairs which will be our space. 187 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:57,335 So we did a launch party that was really... 188 00:09:57,379 --> 00:10:00,164 I can say it now... was really more of a pseudo-launch party. 189 00:10:00,208 --> 00:10:01,992 We didn't even have any connections 190 00:10:02,036 --> 00:10:03,796 to really make this thing an announcement for real, for real, 191 00:10:03,820 --> 00:10:06,606 but I thought if they started making an announcement, 192 00:10:06,649 --> 00:10:08,651 it went public, we did some demo work, 193 00:10:08,695 --> 00:10:10,261 then it was going to be more real 194 00:10:10,305 --> 00:10:12,220 than it had been in the past. 195 00:10:12,568 --> 00:10:14,265 And, um... and I was right. 196 00:10:14,309 --> 00:10:15,876 It became very real. 197 00:10:16,790 --> 00:10:19,096 I mean, we weren't exactly kamikazes, 198 00:10:19,140 --> 00:10:21,925 but we were darn near close on what we were trying to do. 199 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,189 None of us had ever started a guitar museum before. 200 00:10:25,233 --> 00:10:27,888 I don't think what we did has ever been done. 201 00:10:33,850 --> 00:10:36,636 I spent a lot of nights in here sleeping on a cot, 202 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,725 for real, um, 203 00:10:38,768 --> 00:10:40,008 and waking up the next morning. 204 00:10:41,597 --> 00:10:44,165 And, you know, I knew all the workers' names that were here, 205 00:10:44,208 --> 00:10:46,080 every contractor that was on this place, 206 00:10:46,123 --> 00:10:48,188 every subcontractor that was in this place, I remember them. 207 00:10:48,212 --> 00:10:50,824 I got to the point at that time I knew their kids' names. 208 00:10:51,738 --> 00:10:53,391 And, uh... 209 00:10:54,610 --> 00:10:55,785 we built it. 210 00:11:05,795 --> 00:11:07,928 So we're coming to you from my shop here 211 00:11:07,971 --> 00:11:09,451 on Long Island in New York, 212 00:11:09,756 --> 00:11:11,279 where all the guitars that went over 213 00:11:11,322 --> 00:11:13,760 to the Songbirds Museum made their first stop. 214 00:11:14,325 --> 00:11:15,849 We would go out and procure them, 215 00:11:15,892 --> 00:11:17,764 bring them here to the shop to authenticate 216 00:11:17,807 --> 00:11:19,113 and go through everything 217 00:11:19,156 --> 00:11:21,419 to make sure everything fit the bill, 218 00:11:21,463 --> 00:11:24,814 and then we would, uh, transport them en masse 219 00:11:24,858 --> 00:11:26,990 to Chattanooga to go to Songbirds. 220 00:11:29,776 --> 00:11:31,952 So this is the guitar that started it all. 221 00:11:31,995 --> 00:11:35,999 A 1954 Fender Stratocaster 222 00:11:36,043 --> 00:11:42,179 that I sold on eBay uh, for $25,000 at the time. 223 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,661 And, uh, what's cool about the early ones is 224 00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:48,142 this is a one-piece ash body 225 00:11:48,185 --> 00:11:50,927 and, uh, it doesn't have the vibrato arm, 226 00:11:50,971 --> 00:11:52,624 or the whammy bar, as some call it. 227 00:11:52,668 --> 00:11:54,931 This is called a hardtail and it's drilled through 228 00:11:54,975 --> 00:11:57,325 the back of the guitar, more like a Telecaster. 229 00:11:57,629 --> 00:11:59,501 But you can see the beautiful grain of the ash. 230 00:12:00,241 --> 00:12:02,678 The other thing I love about this particular guitar, 231 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:05,812 and that moved me about it, was the size, 232 00:12:05,855 --> 00:12:07,814 the sheer size of the neck. 233 00:12:07,857 --> 00:12:11,513 It is... it is absolutely huge, but super comfortable. 234 00:12:11,992 --> 00:12:14,821 Allows you to wrap your thumb over the top when you play. 235 00:12:15,212 --> 00:12:17,301 Uh, some people love that style. 236 00:12:17,606 --> 00:12:19,042 You know, the headstocks 237 00:12:19,086 --> 00:12:21,653 on the early guitars are super thin 238 00:12:21,697 --> 00:12:26,310 and the logo that's up there just says Fender Stratocaster, 239 00:12:26,354 --> 00:12:28,965 usually would say 'with synchronized tremolo, ' 240 00:12:29,009 --> 00:12:32,447 but since there's no vibrato arm built onto this bridge, 241 00:12:33,013 --> 00:12:35,276 it simply just says Fender Stratocaster. 242 00:12:35,319 --> 00:12:37,495 And they call this the Spaghetti logo, 243 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:40,411 basically, because it looks like somebody laid spaghetti 244 00:12:40,455 --> 00:12:42,587 on a table to form the word Fender. 245 00:12:42,631 --> 00:12:44,807 Uh, I happen to think it's just 246 00:12:44,851 --> 00:12:47,070 the greatest looking logo I've ever seen. 247 00:12:47,114 --> 00:12:49,029 I wish they never got away from it. 248 00:12:49,072 --> 00:12:51,509 You know, one of the things that makes this a vintage guitar 249 00:12:51,553 --> 00:12:55,296 is that it was... this is the first year of production in 1954 250 00:12:55,339 --> 00:12:59,866 and usually, uh, we stick along that, uh, 251 00:12:59,909 --> 00:13:03,347 pre-1970 line for vintage guitars, 252 00:13:03,391 --> 00:13:07,134 although some people will say 1979. 253 00:13:07,656 --> 00:13:10,528 Uh, pretty much anything made before 1970 254 00:13:10,572 --> 00:13:12,879 would be considered vintage guitars in this store. 255 00:13:16,230 --> 00:13:18,058 You know, interestingly enough, 256 00:13:18,101 --> 00:13:20,712 there was a pretty good rivalry between Gibson and Fender. 257 00:13:21,017 --> 00:13:22,279 They were competitors. 258 00:13:23,715 --> 00:13:25,675 You know, Gibson and Fender are still competitors. 259 00:13:25,761 --> 00:13:27,284 Not to slight Gibson, 260 00:13:28,329 --> 00:13:32,246 but Leo Fender got it right the first time a lot of times. 261 00:13:32,942 --> 00:13:37,468 Fender had this advantage of using, uh, lesser materials 262 00:13:37,512 --> 00:13:41,298 and a bolt-on neck and, and, uh, getting products out cheaply. 263 00:13:41,342 --> 00:13:43,170 They, you know... 264 00:13:43,213 --> 00:13:46,347 The fender was the craftsman wrench, you know, 265 00:13:46,390 --> 00:13:50,264 and Gibson was the dental tool, the dental instrument, 266 00:13:50,307 --> 00:13:52,657 that fine, delicate instrument. 267 00:13:53,136 --> 00:13:56,879 Gibson really started to really flourish on electric side 268 00:13:56,923 --> 00:13:58,141 with Ted McCarty. 269 00:13:58,707 --> 00:14:01,753 Um, it took Gibson a few tries on the Les Paul 270 00:14:01,797 --> 00:14:03,886 to get it to where it's the classic Les Paul, 271 00:14:03,930 --> 00:14:05,148 you know it was... 272 00:14:05,540 --> 00:14:08,238 And all versions are classic in their own way. 273 00:14:08,717 --> 00:14:13,156 But the one that they ended up with, the Sunburst Les Paul, 274 00:14:13,417 --> 00:14:15,942 which is the flame top, with the sunburst 275 00:14:15,985 --> 00:14:18,727 and the, you know, finish, and the humbucking pickups, 276 00:14:19,641 --> 00:14:22,992 it took 'em literally almost six years 277 00:14:23,036 --> 00:14:26,343 and four, five different variations of that. 278 00:14:26,387 --> 00:14:29,085 Leo Fender came out with the Stratocaster in '54, 279 00:14:29,390 --> 00:14:30,957 and the Stratocaster looks identical. 280 00:14:31,740 --> 00:14:34,830 That caused problems at some point 281 00:14:34,874 --> 00:14:36,788 between Gibson and Fender, 282 00:14:36,832 --> 00:14:40,053 where Fenders were trying to upscale their guitars 283 00:14:40,096 --> 00:14:41,837 to be more like Gibson's 284 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:43,795 by adding things like binding on the neck 285 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:47,147 and block marker inlays made of pearl in the neck, 286 00:14:47,190 --> 00:14:50,802 where Gibson was trying to cheapen their guitars 287 00:14:50,846 --> 00:14:53,022 to be more price competitive with Fender. 288 00:14:53,066 --> 00:14:56,373 So they took this great guitar, the Gibson Firebird, 289 00:14:56,417 --> 00:14:59,811 and they made a new version of it starting in 1965 290 00:14:59,855 --> 00:15:03,946 that became, basically, the New Coke of the Gibson world. 291 00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:05,600 And then, throughout the '60s, 292 00:15:05,643 --> 00:15:08,646 you'll see Firebirds come in, SGs come in 293 00:15:08,690 --> 00:15:11,432 in response to Strats, and then Teles, and Jaguars, 294 00:15:11,475 --> 00:15:14,870 and Offsets, you know. Um, and, you know, 295 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:17,177 if you look at Fender's custom color chart, 296 00:15:17,438 --> 00:15:19,222 and Gibson's custom color chart, 297 00:15:19,266 --> 00:15:21,007 they kind of had the same... 298 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:23,400 Different names for kind of the same colors, you know. 299 00:15:23,835 --> 00:15:27,230 They were constantly trying to outdo each other. 300 00:15:27,578 --> 00:15:29,929 So, you know, one of the things that 301 00:15:29,972 --> 00:15:31,626 I always look at is, you know, 302 00:15:31,669 --> 00:15:33,236 which is better: Gibson or Fender? 303 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,282 And honestly, they're both amazing guitars, 304 00:15:35,325 --> 00:15:37,414 but for completely different reasons. 305 00:15:43,029 --> 00:15:46,162 In the late '50s, Gibson's sales started to drop. 306 00:15:46,206 --> 00:15:49,557 The Les Paul was not selling as well as it did before, 307 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,167 partly 'cause rock-and-roll 308 00:15:51,211 --> 00:15:53,126 had kind of killed Les Paul's career. 309 00:15:53,648 --> 00:15:55,258 He wasn't as popular anymore on the radio 310 00:15:55,302 --> 00:15:57,913 as he used to be, um, 311 00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:01,308 and Gibson guitars, the Les Paul, was an expensive guitar. 312 00:16:01,351 --> 00:16:04,572 It was $250, $275 at that time. 313 00:16:04,615 --> 00:16:06,008 And it was a heavy guitar, 314 00:16:06,052 --> 00:16:07,792 weighed about nine pounds around your neck. 315 00:16:08,054 --> 00:16:09,707 There's a little weight there. 316 00:16:09,751 --> 00:16:12,928 But your average Fender guitar weighed seven pounds 317 00:16:12,972 --> 00:16:16,149 and probably costs about $175, give or take in that age. 318 00:16:17,019 --> 00:16:20,370 These started to outsell Gibson by the late '50s, 319 00:16:21,241 --> 00:16:23,373 but the real key was also Fender 320 00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:25,201 had a very aggressive marketing team. 321 00:16:25,462 --> 00:16:26,942 Fender would advertise this as 322 00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:29,292 the modern, hip, youthful guitar, 323 00:16:29,336 --> 00:16:30,902 and they would also 324 00:16:30,946 --> 00:16:32,706 underneath that in their ads, they would write, 325 00:16:32,730 --> 00:16:35,037 "Gibson is your old man's guitar." 326 00:16:35,429 --> 00:16:37,518 Because if you looked at a Sunburst Les Paul, 327 00:16:37,561 --> 00:16:39,172 or a Goldtop Les Paul, 328 00:16:39,215 --> 00:16:41,435 it look like an old arch-top jazz guitar, 329 00:16:41,478 --> 00:16:42,653 like, maybe, your dad played. 330 00:16:43,393 --> 00:16:45,004 So Ted McCarty, 331 00:16:45,047 --> 00:16:47,136 having enough of that, figured he'd fight back. 332 00:16:47,876 --> 00:16:50,531 In '58, he would design three new models 333 00:16:50,574 --> 00:16:52,968 he would refer to as his modern series. 334 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:55,101 He designed a flying V, 335 00:16:56,232 --> 00:16:58,017 The Explorer, 336 00:16:58,408 --> 00:17:00,430 which have both become very popular in recent years, 337 00:17:00,454 --> 00:17:03,370 and there was a third model, called the Moderne, 338 00:17:03,413 --> 00:17:06,286 we don't have one. As far as I know, 339 00:17:06,329 --> 00:17:08,853 there was at least one prototype made 340 00:17:08,897 --> 00:17:11,595 that I believe was destroyed by Gibson later on, 341 00:17:11,856 --> 00:17:13,249 because it was never used. 342 00:17:13,641 --> 00:17:17,906 So in 1958, he would show these at the 1958 Trade Show 343 00:17:18,385 --> 00:17:21,649 and start to p... start production on these Flying Vs. 344 00:17:22,171 --> 00:17:25,000 Later on in '58, he would start production on the Explorer. 345 00:17:25,044 --> 00:17:27,916 By early '59, 346 00:17:27,959 --> 00:17:30,484 feedback from the dealers would inform them 347 00:17:30,527 --> 00:17:32,486 that they couldn't give these guitars away. 348 00:17:32,529 --> 00:17:34,357 These guitars were so radical 349 00:17:34,401 --> 00:17:37,447 in shape, design and look, way ahead of their time, 350 00:17:37,491 --> 00:17:38,927 they could not sell them. 351 00:17:39,493 --> 00:17:41,756 They also found out in '59 352 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:44,585 that anybody in a factory working around these guitars 353 00:17:44,628 --> 00:17:46,978 was having health issues, breathing issues. 354 00:17:47,283 --> 00:17:49,633 They discovered that when... With this wood, 355 00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:52,984 when you sanded it, or sawed it and breathed in the dust, 356 00:17:53,246 --> 00:17:54,856 it was almost carcinogenic. 357 00:17:55,204 --> 00:17:57,119 So they immediately halted production, 358 00:17:57,163 --> 00:17:58,686 got rid of the wood. 359 00:17:58,990 --> 00:18:00,731 Uh, the wood they used on these guitars, 360 00:18:00,775 --> 00:18:03,560 unlike most Gibsons, which were mahogany and maple, 361 00:18:03,908 --> 00:18:07,086 this is a wood called limba wood. 362 00:18:14,745 --> 00:18:18,575 So how I started off at Songbirds was I was a member. 363 00:18:18,619 --> 00:18:22,144 I came and did a Vault Tour here with Irv Berner 364 00:18:22,188 --> 00:18:24,625 uh, one week after we opened. 365 00:18:24,668 --> 00:18:26,235 I'd heard that we had this brand new 366 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:28,150 vintage guitar museum in Chattanooga. 367 00:18:28,194 --> 00:18:31,414 I live on the South Side, very close to the museum, 368 00:18:31,849 --> 00:18:34,548 and I came here on a Saturday and did a Vault Tour 369 00:18:34,591 --> 00:18:36,332 and then immediately left from here 370 00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:38,160 and went to the front desk 371 00:18:38,204 --> 00:18:40,284 and bought an annual membership for my entire family, 372 00:18:40,641 --> 00:18:42,730 and then proceeded to come back here 373 00:18:42,773 --> 00:18:46,255 every free chance I got for that first year that, 374 00:18:46,299 --> 00:18:48,866 that I was around here at the museum. 375 00:18:48,910 --> 00:18:51,826 There's always that thing in life, quantity versus quality. 376 00:18:52,609 --> 00:18:53,847 And we've been fortunate in that 377 00:18:53,871 --> 00:18:55,699 we, we really have kind of both. 378 00:18:55,743 --> 00:18:58,354 We've... we've got an enormous amount of wonderful guitars, 379 00:18:58,615 --> 00:19:01,183 but the quality of this collection and the uniqueness... 380 00:19:01,923 --> 00:19:05,144 There are so many prototypes, one-of-a-kinds, 381 00:19:05,187 --> 00:19:07,842 again, that tell a story from beginning to end. 382 00:19:07,885 --> 00:19:11,324 You can see how certain models would evolve over time. 383 00:19:11,367 --> 00:19:13,978 I know how it is sometimes when they come up with an idea 384 00:19:14,022 --> 00:19:15,458 and you see it for the first time, 385 00:19:15,502 --> 00:19:17,678 and you hold a prototype and, you know, 386 00:19:17,721 --> 00:19:19,941 and the next thing you know, 387 00:19:19,984 --> 00:19:22,117 thousands of them are out there, you know? 388 00:19:22,161 --> 00:19:25,686 And these ideas don't just come from, you know, nowhere. 389 00:19:25,729 --> 00:19:27,514 I think they were inspired. 390 00:19:27,949 --> 00:19:29,472 And so when I see that, 391 00:19:29,516 --> 00:19:32,214 it's... it's kind of like a spiritual experience. 392 00:19:32,258 --> 00:19:33,520 It really was. 393 00:19:34,303 --> 00:19:36,392 The Songbirds' collection is my kind of stuff. 394 00:19:37,219 --> 00:19:39,395 It's solid b... A lot of solid bodies, 395 00:19:40,701 --> 00:19:44,095 '50s and '60s Gibsons and Fenders. 396 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,836 You know, I always tell people 397 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,318 I collect solid body electric guitars 398 00:19:49,362 --> 00:19:52,408 from about 1950 to about 1965. 399 00:19:53,453 --> 00:19:55,194 Those are the 15 years that I really like. 400 00:19:55,846 --> 00:19:58,501 Yeah, it's, it's incredible. I mean, it's just... 401 00:19:58,545 --> 00:20:01,504 It was overwhelming, and inspiring 402 00:20:01,548 --> 00:20:02,636 because you just go, 403 00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:05,943 You know, this... Somebody did this. 404 00:20:06,335 --> 00:20:08,119 Somebody went out and said, 405 00:20:08,163 --> 00:20:10,054 "I'm going to do this and I'm going to commit to it." 406 00:20:10,078 --> 00:20:12,863 You know, when we first started to put this collection together, 407 00:20:12,907 --> 00:20:15,779 it was a few Blackguard Fender Telecasters 408 00:20:15,823 --> 00:20:19,653 made from 1952 to 1954. 409 00:20:20,523 --> 00:20:22,351 And the collection started to grow, 410 00:20:22,395 --> 00:20:24,135 and then it became Stratocasters, 411 00:20:24,179 --> 00:20:27,269 and the, all of a sudden, it became ES335s, 412 00:20:27,313 --> 00:20:30,141 and then Les Pauls, and then one day, 413 00:20:30,185 --> 00:20:32,970 when this idea for a museum came up, 414 00:20:33,275 --> 00:20:37,192 uh, I had to put a stop to everything we were doing, 415 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:38,889 it was literally, stop the presses. 416 00:20:38,933 --> 00:20:41,283 Because now we're not just buying for a collection, 417 00:20:41,327 --> 00:20:43,807 we're buying for a museum, which is very different. 418 00:20:44,199 --> 00:20:47,289 And we had to make sure that we scratched every itch. 419 00:20:47,333 --> 00:20:49,509 So if you grew up and you were a Beatles fan 420 00:20:49,552 --> 00:20:51,487 and you played a Rickenbacker, we suddenly realized, wow, 421 00:20:51,511 --> 00:20:53,077 we didn't have any Rickenbackers. 422 00:20:53,339 --> 00:20:54,949 Or if you were a Gretsch player, 423 00:20:54,992 --> 00:20:56,318 we didn't have any Gretschs, and we didn't have 424 00:20:56,342 --> 00:20:58,431 a whole bunch of flattop guitars, 425 00:20:58,474 --> 00:21:00,514 and we didn't have a whole bunch of archtop guitars. 426 00:21:00,607 --> 00:21:03,305 So it was literally, in many ways, like having to 427 00:21:03,349 --> 00:21:07,353 start over again, but, thankfully, we already had 428 00:21:07,396 --> 00:21:09,746 the really good Fender and Gibson stuff already, 429 00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:11,487 so, we were in a good place. 430 00:21:11,835 --> 00:21:14,055 I became fascinated even more 431 00:21:14,098 --> 00:21:15,926 than I already was with guitar history. 432 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:17,624 And it occurred to me, like, 433 00:21:17,667 --> 00:21:19,147 if I had been an art history person 434 00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:22,150 or somebody who really enjoyed, um, art, 435 00:21:22,455 --> 00:21:25,632 this was like living next door to the Louvre in Paris. 436 00:21:25,675 --> 00:21:27,590 This was, for me, Valhalla, 437 00:21:27,634 --> 00:21:29,549 the most awesome place that I could be around, 438 00:21:29,592 --> 00:21:31,333 and it was right here in my own backyard. 439 00:21:31,377 --> 00:21:34,945 So I started getting books on vintage guitar history, 440 00:21:34,989 --> 00:21:37,513 and I would sit on the couch right behind us, right here, 441 00:21:37,557 --> 00:21:39,341 and bring those in on Saturdays 442 00:21:39,385 --> 00:21:41,865 and read those vintage guitar history books right here 443 00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:43,149 in the midst of the collection. 444 00:21:44,303 --> 00:21:45,889 At about four guitars in, I remember seeing 445 00:21:45,913 --> 00:21:48,263 a guitar that looked like one that we had on display here 446 00:21:48,307 --> 00:21:49,960 and I thought, man, that's really similar 447 00:21:50,004 --> 00:21:51,590 to the one that I'm looking at right here. 448 00:21:51,614 --> 00:21:53,921 And as I walked up from the couch, to the case 449 00:21:53,964 --> 00:21:55,662 and looked at it, realized it wasn't 450 00:21:55,705 --> 00:21:57,683 a guitar that looked like the one that was in the book. 451 00:21:57,707 --> 00:21:59,535 It was the actual guitar that was in the book, 452 00:21:59,579 --> 00:22:02,146 and that kept happening over, and over, and over again. 453 00:22:02,408 --> 00:22:04,366 And my love for this place kept growing. 454 00:22:04,758 --> 00:22:06,803 We had some great programs where you could pay 455 00:22:06,847 --> 00:22:08,805 a little extra, and get to play them. 456 00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:11,417 It was like getting the keys to a Ferrari, 457 00:22:11,460 --> 00:22:13,680 being able to drive around the track a few times. 458 00:22:13,941 --> 00:22:15,769 Uh, it's called The Player's Experience. 459 00:22:15,812 --> 00:22:20,382 We just did one this morning where a young teenager came in 460 00:22:20,426 --> 00:22:24,255 and he played a 1959 Sunburst Les Paul. 461 00:22:24,908 --> 00:22:28,390 Uh, it's considered the Holy Grail of the electric guitar. 462 00:22:28,869 --> 00:22:31,524 Most people in their lifetime won't get a chance to play one. 463 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:36,093 Well, it's hard to get your head around it, actually. 464 00:22:36,442 --> 00:22:39,227 Uh, and everybody I ever try to talk about it with, 465 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:41,490 I would say that you just have to see it. 466 00:22:42,186 --> 00:22:46,887 And not only was it because they were worth so much, 467 00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:48,932 you know, in the value of 'em, 468 00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:51,282 but it was the attention to detail. 469 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:54,503 I mean, this is a labor of love. 470 00:22:54,547 --> 00:22:56,636 These guys are into this. 471 00:22:56,679 --> 00:22:59,813 It was like something I'd never, ever seen before. 472 00:23:00,074 --> 00:23:03,294 There is a certain nostalgic feeling 473 00:23:03,338 --> 00:23:08,778 whenever you can go back to a simpler time. 474 00:23:09,823 --> 00:23:13,043 And, uh, for a lot of teens, growing up, 475 00:23:13,348 --> 00:23:16,090 Fender and Gibson was part of their lives, 476 00:23:16,699 --> 00:23:20,311 and they went to go play in a garage band after school. 477 00:23:20,355 --> 00:23:24,054 And guitars made you popular with the girls, you know, 478 00:23:24,098 --> 00:23:27,406 it was a, uh... It was an incredible time. 479 00:23:28,494 --> 00:23:30,123 One of the great things about Songbirds is 480 00:23:30,147 --> 00:23:32,149 we have all these guitars 481 00:23:32,193 --> 00:23:35,239 where people could walk in and experience, 482 00:23:35,283 --> 00:23:38,460 or maybe be brought back to that very moment in time, 483 00:23:38,504 --> 00:23:41,594 like we were just discussing, where, uh... 484 00:23:42,029 --> 00:23:44,727 Just like seeing an old car can remind you of your honeymoon. 485 00:23:45,293 --> 00:23:48,035 And the great thing about it is that, you know, 486 00:23:48,078 --> 00:23:50,472 although the guitars, many of the guitars were behind glass, 487 00:23:50,516 --> 00:23:53,823 it didn't mean you couldn't play cool old guitars. You could. 488 00:23:53,867 --> 00:23:55,651 We would literally take guitars out of cases 489 00:23:55,695 --> 00:23:57,044 and put it in people's hands. 490 00:23:57,697 --> 00:24:00,830 That was one of the great things about Songbirds, 491 00:24:00,874 --> 00:24:04,094 was the fact that as a guest there, 492 00:24:04,138 --> 00:24:05,922 you could really be involved. 493 00:24:09,535 --> 00:24:12,363 Once the idea of Songbirds was announced to the public, 494 00:24:12,407 --> 00:24:14,888 the first thing... the first response we started to get 495 00:24:14,931 --> 00:24:17,717 from everybody was, whose guitars do you have? 496 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,370 Do you have Elvis' guitars? 497 00:24:19,414 --> 00:24:21,214 You have this guy's guitar? That guy's guitar? 498 00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:24,158 And that was really not what Songbirds was about. 499 00:24:24,201 --> 00:24:27,814 Songbirds... the heroes of this, of this museum are really 500 00:24:27,857 --> 00:24:30,991 the guitars themselves and the guys behind 501 00:24:31,034 --> 00:24:33,167 the original classic designs. 502 00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:37,127 People like Ted McCarty, Leo Fender, George Fullerton, 503 00:24:37,432 --> 00:24:40,391 uh, Freddie Tavares, Don Randall. 504 00:24:40,435 --> 00:24:43,220 These were guys that really helped design these guitars, 505 00:24:43,264 --> 00:24:44,570 get 'em out to the public, 506 00:24:44,613 --> 00:24:46,615 and, of course, you know, well, of course, 507 00:24:46,659 --> 00:24:48,487 the great musicians that played 'em, 508 00:24:48,530 --> 00:24:50,690 but it was really about the instruments themselves, uh. 509 00:24:50,924 --> 00:24:52,621 It wasn't about who owned them. 510 00:24:53,143 --> 00:24:56,669 That being said, we got so many responses like that, 511 00:24:56,712 --> 00:24:59,323 I think there was a little sense of panic early on 512 00:24:59,367 --> 00:25:01,978 and we went out and acquired a bunch of guitars, 513 00:25:02,022 --> 00:25:04,503 just to satisfy that need for some people. 514 00:25:04,546 --> 00:25:07,549 So we do have one showcase here filled 515 00:25:07,593 --> 00:25:09,420 with some celebrity-owned guitars. 516 00:25:09,464 --> 00:25:11,248 That being said, we do have guitars 517 00:25:11,292 --> 00:25:12,902 throughout this collection 518 00:25:12,946 --> 00:25:14,991 that were owned by famous guitar players 519 00:25:15,035 --> 00:25:17,341 that we never advertise, or put a sign up, 520 00:25:17,385 --> 00:25:18,778 'cause when we bought them, 521 00:25:18,821 --> 00:25:20,475 we didn't buy them with that intention, 522 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,608 and we want to do the right thing by the performers. 523 00:25:22,651 --> 00:25:24,491 We weren't trying to make money off their name. 524 00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:27,482 So we did have instruments, did not speak about it. 525 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:28,657 Uhh. 526 00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:30,616 But over here, we've got a guitar 527 00:25:30,659 --> 00:25:32,182 owned by Roy Orbison at one point, 528 00:25:32,226 --> 00:25:34,837 a Strat that was owned and signed by Buddy Guy. 529 00:25:35,577 --> 00:25:38,058 One of my favorite bands growing up was The Doors. 530 00:25:38,101 --> 00:25:41,235 This was a Les Paul owned by Robby Krieger, 531 00:25:41,627 --> 00:25:43,716 early Les Paul with the SG body style, 532 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:46,545 owned by Robby Krieger, signed by him, 533 00:25:46,849 --> 00:25:49,809 a Jazzmaster signed by Bo Diddley. 534 00:25:50,418 --> 00:25:51,854 And on the other side, 535 00:25:51,898 --> 00:25:53,618 we've got some more we could take a look at. 536 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,119 And on this side over here, 537 00:25:56,163 --> 00:25:58,513 we've got one of our prized possessions, 538 00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:02,386 one of Chuck Berry's ES 355s, father of rock-and-roll. 539 00:26:03,257 --> 00:26:06,434 Uh, Paul Burlison was in a group called the Rock and Roll Trio. 540 00:26:06,477 --> 00:26:09,089 They did the original version of Train Kept A-Rollin', 541 00:26:09,132 --> 00:26:10,612 an early rockabilly group. 542 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,704 This was his '52 Les Paul, signed by him. 543 00:26:15,748 --> 00:26:19,403 Carl Wilson, The Beach Boys, his Epiphone 12 string. 544 00:26:19,665 --> 00:26:21,971 Now, again, earlier we spoke about the influence 545 00:26:22,015 --> 00:26:23,669 The Beatles had on everybody, 546 00:26:23,712 --> 00:26:25,714 and the Beatles using that electric 12. 547 00:26:25,758 --> 00:26:27,629 And, shortly thereafter, The Beach Boys 548 00:26:27,673 --> 00:26:29,936 would use a 12 string in many of their hits. 549 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,981 Carl Wilson would play those parts. 550 00:26:33,374 --> 00:26:38,858 A beautiful 1960 Faded 'Burst that was owned by John Fogerty. 551 00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:42,209 And one of the Dick Dale's original Stratocasters, 552 00:26:42,252 --> 00:26:45,429 is the father of surf rock, the amazing Dick Dale. 553 00:26:52,523 --> 00:26:54,743 The notoriety, and probably 554 00:26:54,787 --> 00:26:57,703 the thing most recognizable about Songbirds was the museum. 555 00:26:57,746 --> 00:26:59,835 But it doesn't put aside the fact that 556 00:26:59,879 --> 00:27:03,012 it was an amazing venue, both upstairs and down. 557 00:27:03,056 --> 00:27:04,623 The person behind booking 558 00:27:04,666 --> 00:27:06,886 all the talent, both nationally and locally, 559 00:27:08,017 --> 00:27:09,932 was Chattanooga's unsung hero, 560 00:27:09,976 --> 00:27:12,456 and that is my very good friend, Mr. Mike Dougher. 561 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:16,722 My role at Songbirds has been talent buyer. 562 00:27:17,548 --> 00:27:20,856 Initially, it started out putting some small shows 563 00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:24,077 in, uh, the museum space, 564 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:28,516 uh, leaning towards... great guitarists, 565 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:32,694 and then it sort of expanded into other people 566 00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:35,871 and other styles of music, 567 00:27:35,915 --> 00:27:39,309 and then it expanded even more to Songbirds South 568 00:27:39,353 --> 00:27:42,008 where we could do larger shows down there. 569 00:27:42,051 --> 00:27:44,140 How do you have the instruments and not have 570 00:27:44,184 --> 00:27:46,012 music surrounding them? Live music? 571 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:50,886 I, I have played thousands of bars and venues 572 00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:53,193 across the country as a musician, 573 00:27:53,236 --> 00:27:55,761 and there was a lot of bad places 574 00:27:55,804 --> 00:27:57,371 and a lot of good places. 575 00:27:57,414 --> 00:28:00,461 That is made up of a cool vibe in the venue, 576 00:28:00,504 --> 00:28:02,942 but the staffs treat you poorly. 577 00:28:03,333 --> 00:28:05,727 Then there was other venues that the venue was really poor, 578 00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:07,381 but the staff treated you great. 579 00:28:07,424 --> 00:28:09,228 You know, there was all these hybrids of those. 580 00:28:09,252 --> 00:28:10,708 And I thought, if we're going to do this, 581 00:28:10,732 --> 00:28:12,908 based on my experience, we're going to... 582 00:28:12,952 --> 00:28:14,320 We're going to try and check every box. 583 00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:15,955 And that's how it got here. 584 00:29:21,324 --> 00:29:23,109 Well, that's the other end of this museum. 585 00:29:23,152 --> 00:29:25,348 I mean, one thing was the... Was the guitars, the museum, 586 00:29:25,372 --> 00:29:27,026 and what we were bringing in that respect. 587 00:29:27,374 --> 00:29:29,376 The other thing is the live music scene 588 00:29:29,419 --> 00:29:30,551 we brought to Chattanooga. 589 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,735 Uh, all the showcases in the middle of the room 590 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:42,781 we get moved over into the timeline. 591 00:29:42,998 --> 00:29:45,914 We would put 200 seats out and it was like seeing 592 00:29:45,958 --> 00:29:47,568 a show in a big living room. 593 00:29:58,274 --> 00:30:01,321 There is no greater collection, and to be able to work in 594 00:30:01,364 --> 00:30:04,803 the middle of it, for artists to come in and play 595 00:30:04,846 --> 00:30:07,762 in the middle of it, they would come offstage stage saying, 596 00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:11,374 "I knew I had to bring my A-game because I could feel 597 00:30:11,418 --> 00:30:13,159 and sense the history in the room, 598 00:30:13,202 --> 00:30:16,553 and I had to step up, to meet... to meet the challenge 599 00:30:16,597 --> 00:30:18,904 of all those guitars. It's pretty cool. 600 00:30:29,697 --> 00:30:32,526 Playing at Songbirds, knowing you're surrounded by 601 00:30:32,569 --> 00:30:38,358 the single most impressive collection of guitars, um, 602 00:30:38,401 --> 00:30:41,927 in the world was an amazing thing. 603 00:30:42,753 --> 00:30:45,582 I am delighted to have played on that stage, 604 00:30:45,626 --> 00:30:47,846 played in that room, played in that air. 605 00:30:56,245 --> 00:31:00,380 We've had everybody play here, from Vince Gill, to Dick Dale, 606 00:31:00,423 --> 00:31:03,818 to Tommy Emmanuel to John 5. 607 00:31:04,253 --> 00:31:08,605 Keith Carlock, Dennis Chambers, Billy Cobham, Dave Weckl. 608 00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:10,738 We kept building up. 609 00:31:10,999 --> 00:31:15,221 Uh, we would bring in an artist and then that would give us 610 00:31:15,264 --> 00:31:18,920 an idea to bring in a, maybe, a better or more important 611 00:31:18,964 --> 00:31:20,356 or more interesting artist. 612 00:31:21,096 --> 00:31:27,363 We went from someone like, oh, say, um, a Dick Dale 613 00:31:27,407 --> 00:31:31,193 to having the courage to bring in John 5 614 00:31:31,237 --> 00:31:32,891 from Rob Zombie's band, 615 00:31:33,369 --> 00:31:35,284 which terrified me to no end. 616 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,080 Uh, he was debating whether to play Nashville, 617 00:31:48,123 --> 00:31:50,517 which he normally would do, or come here. 618 00:31:50,778 --> 00:31:53,955 The reason he played here was because of all of 619 00:31:53,999 --> 00:31:56,218 the wonderful guitars that are here. 620 00:31:56,262 --> 00:31:59,047 Um, what a tool to have. 621 00:31:59,091 --> 00:32:01,615 It's like, yeah, do we have a green room? 622 00:32:01,658 --> 00:32:03,878 Yeah, it's worth about $4 million, 623 00:32:03,922 --> 00:32:05,967 so don't spill your beer on anything. 624 00:32:06,315 --> 00:32:09,623 My impressions of Songbirds is as an entity. 625 00:32:09,884 --> 00:32:12,060 From the collection, to the foundation, 626 00:32:12,104 --> 00:32:15,934 to the venue is always been music-friendly, 627 00:32:15,977 --> 00:32:18,588 musician friendly, you know? 628 00:32:18,632 --> 00:32:21,852 And the live venue was just an extension of that. 629 00:32:21,896 --> 00:32:23,376 Now, one of those things 630 00:32:24,377 --> 00:32:28,207 about Songbirds that always struck me was 631 00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:30,165 the attention to detail, and, like, they wanted 632 00:32:30,209 --> 00:32:32,602 the audience to have a great experience, 633 00:32:32,646 --> 00:32:34,493 they wanted the artists to have a great experience. 634 00:32:34,517 --> 00:32:38,086 You know, when you see a guy like Joe Bonamassa be impressed, 635 00:32:38,826 --> 00:32:41,742 then you did something good. 636 00:32:42,221 --> 00:32:45,267 And, uh, if there's ever any affirmation needed, 637 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,357 I'll check that box off a while back with Joe. 638 00:32:49,445 --> 00:32:53,014 But I hate to mention too many bands independently. 639 00:32:53,058 --> 00:32:55,036 Jerry Douglas, I know he was a big one, but you know, 640 00:32:55,060 --> 00:32:57,845 there's... to me, I think the coolest part, 641 00:32:58,454 --> 00:33:00,195 and I'm not saying this to be correct, 642 00:33:00,239 --> 00:33:02,763 I'm not saying this to, to be anything other than truthful, 643 00:33:02,806 --> 00:33:06,506 seeing all the local bands have a place to play was cool. 644 00:34:24,975 --> 00:34:30,590 Working with the local musicians is always important to me. 645 00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:35,073 Um, I think it's part of our mission to include them 646 00:34:35,116 --> 00:34:37,292 in everything that we do here. 647 00:34:37,597 --> 00:34:42,210 So we can bring in, um, Steve Earle or someone like that, 648 00:34:42,471 --> 00:34:46,388 and then also bring in Campbell Station 649 00:34:46,432 --> 00:34:47,955 or The Afternooners, 650 00:34:47,998 --> 00:34:51,959 because they need to know how to act professional, 651 00:34:52,002 --> 00:34:55,354 dress professional, how to do a soundcheck, 652 00:34:55,397 --> 00:34:58,139 how to learn all of those steps, to be a better band. 653 00:34:58,183 --> 00:35:02,796 And we really believe deeply in helping 654 00:35:02,839 --> 00:35:04,972 the young bands learn how to be better. 655 00:35:05,233 --> 00:35:07,540 We can lead 'em all the way up, at the end of the day, 656 00:35:07,583 --> 00:35:09,368 they've got to do their good work on stage. 657 00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:41,139 The people in Chattanooga were always aware that 658 00:35:41,182 --> 00:35:44,664 they had a chance to come play here, and it's a big deal. 659 00:35:44,707 --> 00:35:46,144 I mean, we're a professional outfit. 660 00:35:46,187 --> 00:35:47,841 It's a big deal to come play here. 661 00:35:53,063 --> 00:35:55,805 I don't think it would be a stretch for me to speak 662 00:35:55,849 --> 00:35:58,808 for all the artists here in Chattanooga by saying that 663 00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:02,203 the opportunity that Mike and Songbirds and the team gave us, 664 00:36:02,247 --> 00:36:04,510 the platform, the stage to perform on, 665 00:36:04,553 --> 00:36:06,273 the things that we were able to be around... 666 00:36:08,035 --> 00:36:09,993 um, we will be eternally grateful for that. 667 00:36:10,037 --> 00:36:11,908 And this is a stamp on the music scene 668 00:36:11,952 --> 00:36:13,910 that won't ever go away. 669 00:36:42,765 --> 00:36:44,637 So, we're out here on Station Street. 670 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,963 We're about to close down our final show here at Songbirds. 671 00:36:46,987 --> 00:36:48,423 And we can't help but feel 672 00:36:48,467 --> 00:36:50,295 an enormous amount of gratitude to the fans, 673 00:36:50,338 --> 00:36:53,689 and to the people that supported us over the years, 674 00:36:54,124 --> 00:36:56,083 and we're really grateful for the opportunity 675 00:36:56,126 --> 00:36:57,824 to be able to meet new people. 676 00:36:57,867 --> 00:37:00,609 And it's been an amazing ride, we're very grateful 677 00:37:00,653 --> 00:37:02,533 for everything that, uh, everyone's done for us. 678 00:37:15,885 --> 00:37:18,888 Back in the late 1940s, Leo Fender had a company 679 00:37:18,932 --> 00:37:20,499 called Radio and Television Equipment, 680 00:37:20,542 --> 00:37:24,329 and he basically did radio and TV repairs 681 00:37:24,372 --> 00:37:27,027 and came out with a lap steel guitar. 682 00:37:27,332 --> 00:37:29,595 The electric Spanish guitar would come later. 683 00:37:29,899 --> 00:37:31,771 Starting in late 1949, 684 00:37:31,814 --> 00:37:34,295 the development for what was basically... basically 685 00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:35,490 the guitar I'm holding right here, 686 00:37:35,514 --> 00:37:37,211 which is the Telecaster started. 687 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:39,213 It started as the Broadcaster, 688 00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:42,129 until they received a cease and desist letter 689 00:37:42,172 --> 00:37:44,305 from the Fred Gretsch Manufacturing Company 690 00:37:44,349 --> 00:37:46,655 who made a drum kit called the Broadcaster. 691 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,267 Leo was forced to change the name. 692 00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:50,529 At that time, 693 00:37:50,572 --> 00:37:52,835 they took the broadcaster decal off 694 00:37:52,879 --> 00:37:56,099 and started to call the guitars the Nocaster around the factory 695 00:37:56,143 --> 00:37:58,493 until they came up with a new name for the guitar. 696 00:37:58,537 --> 00:38:00,408 When a new name was decided upon, 697 00:38:00,452 --> 00:38:02,410 it was called the Telecaster, 698 00:38:02,454 --> 00:38:04,456 based on the fact that television was now 699 00:38:04,499 --> 00:38:06,327 the new rage throughout the country. 700 00:38:07,197 --> 00:38:09,025 These are wonderful playing guitars. 701 00:38:09,591 --> 00:38:13,203 They feature solid rock maple necks, and ash bodies, 702 00:38:13,247 --> 00:38:16,511 with... truly unbelievable tone. 703 00:38:17,077 --> 00:38:20,298 And although they made thousands of these instruments, 704 00:38:20,341 --> 00:38:23,083 they're still one of the most sought-after instruments 705 00:38:23,126 --> 00:38:25,520 that collectors look for today. 706 00:38:40,143 --> 00:38:41,971 When I hear guys like Joe Bonamassa, 707 00:38:42,015 --> 00:38:43,625 I mean I get it. I get that. 708 00:38:43,669 --> 00:38:46,454 And, uh, and John 5, John Lowery's his name. 709 00:38:46,498 --> 00:38:47,586 He's a good friend of mine. 710 00:38:48,064 --> 00:38:51,372 But he genuinely loves, loves the guitar. 711 00:38:51,416 --> 00:38:53,113 And when you're there, he's like, 712 00:38:53,156 --> 00:38:55,855 "I can't wait to tell my friends about this." And, uh... 713 00:38:55,898 --> 00:38:58,901 When you walk into Songbirds, 714 00:38:58,945 --> 00:39:03,689 it was packed with premium Fender, Gibson, 715 00:39:03,732 --> 00:39:06,431 a lot of, like, um, 716 00:39:06,474 --> 00:39:10,522 like, interesting custom order Gibsons that have somebody's 717 00:39:10,565 --> 00:39:13,002 name in the fingerboard and, you know, 718 00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:17,659 strange colors and, and very, very cool stuff. 719 00:39:18,268 --> 00:39:20,967 And then, you got to the back room. 720 00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:24,405 That's when all the funny-shaped guitars 721 00:39:24,449 --> 00:39:27,756 start coming out: The Flying Vs, the Explorers, 722 00:39:28,496 --> 00:39:32,021 and stuff that I'd only seen in books. 723 00:39:32,544 --> 00:39:36,461 I mean, the Rosewood Strat, you know? 724 00:39:37,592 --> 00:39:38,792 That would've went to Hendrix. 725 00:39:54,479 --> 00:39:56,002 This is solid rosewood. 726 00:39:56,263 --> 00:39:59,397 It's the only one Fender ever made from 19... 727 00:39:59,614 --> 00:40:01,224 It's dated 1969, 728 00:40:01,268 --> 00:40:04,314 though they didn't finish making this until 1970. 729 00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:07,927 Uh, this came about when they decided to do 730 00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:11,626 a limited run of solid rosewood Fender Telecasters. 731 00:40:11,974 --> 00:40:15,325 In 1968, they would start to build these Telecasters, 732 00:40:15,543 --> 00:40:17,327 and the very first one would go to 733 00:40:17,371 --> 00:40:18,981 George Harrison of The Beatles. 734 00:40:19,025 --> 00:40:21,375 If you've ever seen a film clip of The Beatles 735 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:24,683 on the rooftop playing "Get Back" from the movie Let It Be, 736 00:40:24,726 --> 00:40:27,425 George is playing his solid rosewood Telecaster. 737 00:40:27,947 --> 00:40:29,949 They decided to make us some Strats. 738 00:40:30,210 --> 00:40:32,125 This was the only one that was ever finished, 739 00:40:32,168 --> 00:40:35,781 And this first one was intended to go to Jimi Hendrix. 740 00:40:36,085 --> 00:40:38,479 He passed away before it was ever finished 741 00:40:38,523 --> 00:40:41,482 so it never left the factory, it stayed at the factory, 742 00:40:41,526 --> 00:40:43,223 and it ended up in the... 743 00:40:43,266 --> 00:40:45,486 I believe Fender had a guitar museum for a short while 744 00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:46,922 in the early 80s. 745 00:40:48,533 --> 00:40:50,360 And then it was eventually sold by Fender. 746 00:40:51,492 --> 00:40:53,015 So this is a one of a kind, 747 00:40:53,842 --> 00:40:56,149 initially intended for the great Jimi Hendrix. 748 00:41:01,154 --> 00:41:03,765 What you get when you come here that's different 749 00:41:03,809 --> 00:41:05,506 than any other collection in the world, 750 00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:08,422 is you get to see the actual building of history, 751 00:41:08,466 --> 00:41:10,772 as far as the electric guitar is concerned, 752 00:41:10,816 --> 00:41:13,558 and the very first prototypes of Leo Fender, 753 00:41:13,601 --> 00:41:16,256 to many employee-built guitars from Gibson 754 00:41:16,299 --> 00:41:19,651 to see how their own takes may have been on 755 00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:22,828 certain instruments that came into production. 756 00:41:23,176 --> 00:41:25,439 We hold the prototypes, and we hold the history 757 00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:27,789 much more than the manufacturers do. 758 00:41:27,833 --> 00:41:29,530 They destroyed so many of their records, 759 00:41:30,052 --> 00:41:31,837 but we have their living records here. 760 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,883 And, and the idea that when you can walk through this place, 761 00:41:35,144 --> 00:41:39,018 for most people, the main reaction we get is, "wow, 762 00:41:39,061 --> 00:41:40,933 we didn't even know they ever did that before." 763 00:41:40,976 --> 00:41:42,543 And it's like we have not just 764 00:41:42,587 --> 00:41:44,327 a piece of paper saying they did it, 765 00:41:44,371 --> 00:41:46,895 we have the actual instrument. That's important to us. 766 00:41:47,330 --> 00:41:50,986 I always said... I always told everybody who was going to go 767 00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:53,249 to Songbirds, they're like, "what's it like?" 768 00:41:53,293 --> 00:41:57,036 and I'd go, "They make me look like a hobbyist." 769 00:41:57,602 --> 00:42:00,561 And... and it was... It's the greatest collection 770 00:42:00,605 --> 00:42:03,390 I've ever seen and I was just happy to see it in my lifetime 771 00:42:03,433 --> 00:42:06,959 because, you know, the fact that it was so complete, 772 00:42:07,002 --> 00:42:14,314 and so, like, absolutely 100%, you know, 773 00:42:14,357 --> 00:42:17,447 curated to the highest order, spare no expense, 774 00:42:17,491 --> 00:42:19,928 and nobody's ever going to do that again. 775 00:42:19,972 --> 00:42:22,975 That's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to see that. 776 00:42:23,671 --> 00:42:25,412 Well, I hope people will remember it 777 00:42:25,455 --> 00:42:26,892 and will be talking about it. 778 00:42:26,935 --> 00:42:29,111 I think anybody who was... Who was, uh... 779 00:42:29,155 --> 00:42:30,785 I don't know if that's the right word to use... 780 00:42:30,809 --> 00:42:33,072 But smart enough to make it here early on 781 00:42:33,115 --> 00:42:34,769 and get to experience it, 782 00:42:34,813 --> 00:42:36,684 I think they'll be talking about it forever. 783 00:42:37,206 --> 00:42:39,097 Again, there's nothing else like this anywhere in the world, 784 00:42:39,121 --> 00:42:42,472 and I don't think that... I hate to say never, 785 00:42:42,690 --> 00:42:45,911 but it'll be, probably, a long time before anything else 786 00:42:45,954 --> 00:42:47,826 on this kind of level pops up again, 787 00:42:47,869 --> 00:42:49,436 though I hope it does somewhere. 788 00:42:49,479 --> 00:42:51,046 Well, this collection's super special 789 00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:52,874 because there's nothing like it in the world. 790 00:42:52,918 --> 00:42:54,765 Nobody's gonna be, probably, dumb enough to put something 791 00:42:54,789 --> 00:42:56,835 like this together again, truth be known. 792 00:42:56,878 --> 00:42:59,620 I mean, this is like... This is... this is 793 00:42:59,664 --> 00:43:02,971 vulnerability meets passion, meets having a lot of money. 794 00:43:03,406 --> 00:43:04,862 I mean, that's... At the end of the day, 795 00:43:04,886 --> 00:43:06,540 I don't know how else to say it. 796 00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:08,890 With all due respect, it's... it is those things. 797 00:43:08,934 --> 00:43:12,720 And you will never see, in my opinion, 798 00:43:12,764 --> 00:43:15,114 anything like this again, uh, 799 00:43:15,157 --> 00:43:16,898 at least for the foreseeable future. 800 00:43:17,682 --> 00:43:20,510 It's... it's just a phenomenal collection 801 00:43:20,554 --> 00:43:26,429 and the opportunity to be a piece of letting it be seen, 802 00:43:26,734 --> 00:43:29,519 and been responsible for the home that it's living in 803 00:43:29,563 --> 00:43:32,566 to a degree is, you know, it's an overwhelming honor. 804 00:43:34,786 --> 00:43:36,657 We were really hitting our stride 805 00:43:36,701 --> 00:43:38,528 to where I felt like we were reaching 806 00:43:38,572 --> 00:43:41,183 a level that had never been reached before in Chattanooga. 807 00:43:41,575 --> 00:43:45,013 Um, that's one of the sad parts of, of leaving all this, 808 00:43:45,057 --> 00:43:50,062 is because, um, my goal here was to create this... the... 809 00:43:50,845 --> 00:43:53,282 The best small venue in the country. 810 00:43:53,805 --> 00:43:57,373 I had all these wonderful guitars, all these amps, 811 00:43:57,678 --> 00:43:59,332 all these wonderful tools. 812 00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:03,684 And so with that, I was able to bring in all these artists 813 00:44:03,728 --> 00:44:06,905 and each time we brought in a certain level artist, 814 00:44:06,948 --> 00:44:10,343 it allowed us to go a little higher, and a little higher, 815 00:44:10,386 --> 00:44:11,779 and a little higher. 816 00:44:11,823 --> 00:44:15,696 And, uh, I think as people look back on us, 817 00:44:15,740 --> 00:44:19,526 they'll realize just how incredibly high we got 818 00:44:19,569 --> 00:44:22,050 with the talent level that we brought in. 819 00:44:22,094 --> 00:44:26,489 It's really hard to do to get that, that level to come in 820 00:44:26,533 --> 00:44:29,492 on a consistent basis in a town the size of Chattanooga, 821 00:44:29,536 --> 00:44:31,190 it just is, 822 00:44:31,233 --> 00:44:33,081 when they can play Nashville if they want, or Atlanta. 823 00:44:33,105 --> 00:44:35,847 So to kind of steal 'em away was part of our goal. 824 00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:37,631 I think we did a, a good job with that. 825 00:44:37,892 --> 00:44:42,592 I mean, their focus was, was beyond a guitar collection. 826 00:44:43,115 --> 00:44:45,639 But to be able to pass that on to the generation... 827 00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:50,035 Not only, uh, the love of the, of the instruments 828 00:44:50,078 --> 00:44:52,864 that changed music, like the Stratocaster 829 00:44:52,907 --> 00:44:55,388 and the Les Paul, all that type thing, 830 00:44:55,431 --> 00:44:57,912 and some of the Gretsch guitars that The Beatles played, 831 00:44:57,956 --> 00:45:00,959 and all that kind of stuff, but, uh... 832 00:45:01,002 --> 00:45:03,483 it's one thing to know the history of it, 833 00:45:03,526 --> 00:45:05,180 it's another thing how to play one. 834 00:45:06,007 --> 00:45:08,140 And that's where I was so impressed, 835 00:45:08,183 --> 00:45:10,577 to put in the hands of a young person 836 00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:13,536 would never be able to even touch a guitar. 837 00:45:13,580 --> 00:45:16,278 We need to continue to promote the guitars 838 00:45:16,322 --> 00:45:18,846 so the next generation understands that these are 839 00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:20,630 more than just sticks of wood, 840 00:45:20,674 --> 00:45:23,764 because if we fail, they're just firewood. 841 00:45:24,417 --> 00:45:25,853 And if we succeed, 842 00:45:25,897 --> 00:45:28,116 then a whole new generation goes forward 843 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,814 playing these beautiful instruments, 844 00:45:29,857 --> 00:45:32,773 and we always let people play instruments here. 845 00:45:32,817 --> 00:45:35,950 These... they look like they're all just locked up behind glass, 846 00:45:35,994 --> 00:45:38,736 but we have always let people play instruments here. 847 00:45:38,779 --> 00:45:41,695 There is no thrill better for me, 848 00:45:41,739 --> 00:45:43,784 than having a young guy who plays guitar, 849 00:45:43,828 --> 00:45:45,893 and putting a half million dollar guitar in his hands 850 00:45:45,917 --> 00:45:48,136 and just seeing that photograph when you... 851 00:45:48,180 --> 00:45:50,965 When the wife is standing, ready to take that iPhone pic, 852 00:45:51,009 --> 00:45:54,752 and he's mugging for the camera like he's Jimmy Page, 853 00:45:54,969 --> 00:45:57,406 that is just the best thing, I can tell you. 854 00:45:57,450 --> 00:45:59,321 And that makes it all worthwhile for me. 855 00:46:05,501 --> 00:46:06,807 So, earlier this year, 856 00:46:06,851 --> 00:46:10,898 my father... my dad passed away. 857 00:46:10,942 --> 00:46:13,596 And, um, and it was a really special time for our family 858 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,773 'cause I got to be with him, 859 00:46:15,816 --> 00:46:19,689 um, got to hold his hand, and, um, be with my family 860 00:46:19,733 --> 00:46:22,518 whenever he passed, and it went peacefully. 861 00:46:22,867 --> 00:46:25,130 But I had to go away, had to be away from here 862 00:46:25,173 --> 00:46:27,654 for... um, for several weeks. 863 00:46:28,524 --> 00:46:31,527 And, uh, when I came back to Chattanooga 864 00:46:32,877 --> 00:46:36,924 after being there that whole time, the first thing I did, 865 00:46:38,534 --> 00:46:41,276 which didn't make my wife very happy, um, 866 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,713 was I dropped her off at the house, 867 00:46:43,757 --> 00:46:44,845 hadn't even unpacked. 868 00:46:46,151 --> 00:46:48,022 I dropped her off and drove right over here. 869 00:46:48,806 --> 00:46:50,633 Um, it was on a Sunday afternoon, 870 00:46:50,677 --> 00:46:52,331 the place is open for ten more minutes. 871 00:46:52,592 --> 00:46:54,594 But, um, I had to come here. 872 00:46:54,637 --> 00:46:56,509 I had to come be here, 'cause this is just such 873 00:46:56,552 --> 00:46:59,991 a special place that I love so much. 874 00:47:00,034 --> 00:47:02,732 And after losing, having that great loss, 875 00:47:02,776 --> 00:47:05,083 the first thing I wanted to do when I got back, 876 00:47:05,126 --> 00:47:06,519 just had to do it, was come here. 877 00:47:06,911 --> 00:47:09,174 And, uh, to know it's not going to be here anymore, 878 00:47:09,217 --> 00:47:10,697 um, man it sucks. 879 00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:12,960 There was a young lady that was in Siskin 880 00:47:13,004 --> 00:47:15,354 that we worked with quite a bit. 881 00:47:16,572 --> 00:47:18,531 And she was terminal, and we knew it. 882 00:47:19,314 --> 00:47:22,535 But music and guitar brought her a lot of joy and, uh, 883 00:47:23,666 --> 00:47:25,364 she was released from the hospital 884 00:47:25,407 --> 00:47:27,540 so she could live her last days. 885 00:47:27,583 --> 00:47:29,324 Uh, and she was turning 16, 886 00:47:29,368 --> 00:47:30,888 and she chose to spend a birthday here. 887 00:47:32,762 --> 00:47:35,156 So we brought her in and, uh... 888 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,419 And we kind of... I don't remember how it worked, 889 00:47:37,463 --> 00:47:39,744 but we all pitched in and bought her an additional guitar, 890 00:47:39,769 --> 00:47:41,641 like, an electric guitar I think it was. 891 00:47:41,684 --> 00:47:44,084 And we gave it to her as her birthday present from Songbirds. 892 00:47:44,818 --> 00:47:46,515 And it just so happened the same day 893 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:47,797 that Marty Stuart and Fabulous Superlatives 894 00:47:47,821 --> 00:47:49,214 were playing in town, 895 00:47:49,257 --> 00:47:50,887 and they came down to check out the museum. 896 00:47:50,911 --> 00:47:53,740 And so all the guys came in and surrounded her 897 00:47:53,783 --> 00:47:56,264 at her 16th birthday party she was having here. 898 00:47:56,308 --> 00:47:58,745 Um, and they, uh... 899 00:48:04,925 --> 00:48:07,362 They sang the song Let Us Have a Little Talk with Jesus. 900 00:48:08,842 --> 00:48:10,626 "Let us tell Him all about our troubles, 901 00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:12,910 He will hear our faintest cry, and He answer by and by." 902 00:48:15,936 --> 00:48:16,981 So that was a good one. 903 00:49:15,909 --> 00:49:19,347 All right! I'll take a hug. 904 00:49:24,918 --> 00:49:26,528 This place, and I don't... 905 00:49:26,572 --> 00:49:28,574 I don't say this with any amount of hyperbole, 906 00:49:28,617 --> 00:49:30,968 this place is the coolest place in the universe. 907 00:49:31,272 --> 00:49:33,883 Being the curator of something like this, 908 00:49:33,927 --> 00:49:36,495 being an officer here is something that... 909 00:49:37,887 --> 00:49:40,194 It's bigger than life to me, you know? 910 00:49:40,238 --> 00:49:42,762 I, I really looked at my life simply 911 00:49:42,805 --> 00:49:44,938 as pedaling sticks of wood for the last, 912 00:49:45,243 --> 00:49:50,596 you know, 35 years and, um, having something like this is 913 00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:51,945 just the cherry on top for me. 914 00:49:52,380 --> 00:49:55,122 Everybody in the community and the, you know, 915 00:49:55,166 --> 00:49:58,038 the local cities that would come here on a regular basis, 916 00:49:58,082 --> 00:49:59,997 people that traveled from around the world, 917 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,174 everybody that came here for shows, to see the museum 918 00:50:03,217 --> 00:50:06,046 or for whatever, we, we couldn't thank you enough 919 00:50:06,090 --> 00:50:09,136 for your support and, uh, for the praise 920 00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:11,060 and the great reviews we would get all the time. 921 00:50:11,095 --> 00:50:12,574 We can't thank you enough. 922 00:50:12,618 --> 00:50:14,552 Yeah, I wanna, you know, obviously thank everybody 923 00:50:14,576 --> 00:50:16,293 that came through Songbirds, anybody that dropped 924 00:50:16,317 --> 00:50:19,799 one nickel here or, you know, 925 00:50:19,842 --> 00:50:22,932 made one post on Facebook or made one post on Instagram. 926 00:50:23,411 --> 00:50:24,934 I mean, you guys made us. 927 00:50:24,978 --> 00:50:27,502 The fans are who made us. We built it for you. 928 00:50:28,025 --> 00:50:31,506 We had a great team and we did great work. 929 00:50:32,377 --> 00:50:34,683 Uh, I walk away from this 930 00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:39,775 extremely proud of what we've accomplished. Extremely proud. 931 00:50:40,124 --> 00:50:41,777 It's only three years, 932 00:50:41,821 --> 00:50:44,084 we were knockin' 'em dead. Pretty happy with that. 933 00:50:55,487 --> 00:50:56,836 Okay, are you ready? 934 00:50:57,358 --> 00:50:59,099 I got the thumbs up! 935 00:52:10,083 --> 00:52:12,216 Hey, Irv Berner. How ya' been? 936 00:52:12,259 --> 00:52:13,521 Dave Davidson, good to see you. 937 00:52:13,565 --> 00:52:15,088 Good to see you, too. 938 00:52:18,961 --> 00:52:20,746 What's been going on in Chattanooga 939 00:52:20,789 --> 00:52:22,008 over the past few months? 940 00:52:22,051 --> 00:52:23,575 The cases are all empty. 941 00:52:23,618 --> 00:52:25,751 All the guitars have been shipped out, as you know. 942 00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:28,580 And, uh, yeah, it's kind of strange. 943 00:52:29,233 --> 00:52:31,191 Yeah, it's hard to know... You don't even know 944 00:52:31,235 --> 00:52:33,628 that it happened that way, you know? 945 00:52:33,672 --> 00:52:35,282 But, you know, mounting expenses, 946 00:52:35,326 --> 00:52:37,154 it costs a tremendous amount of money to run 947 00:52:37,197 --> 00:52:38,677 a place like that every month. 948 00:52:39,025 --> 00:52:40,679 I mean, when you think about everything 949 00:52:40,722 --> 00:52:43,986 from the security, to the electrical, 950 00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:46,424 to all the employees, and all the health care costs, 951 00:52:46,467 --> 00:52:49,078 and everything else... the rent, when you're done, 952 00:52:49,383 --> 00:52:51,864 you're spending probably $20,000, $25,000 a month 953 00:52:51,907 --> 00:52:53,300 just to keep the place open. 954 00:53:09,098 --> 00:53:11,258 So let me ask a question. Now that the museum's closed, 955 00:53:11,405 --> 00:53:13,190 what's the process with these guitars? 956 00:53:13,233 --> 00:53:15,540 You know, some of them are being shipped now over here 957 00:53:15,583 --> 00:53:17,672 to New York where you get 'em. 958 00:53:17,716 --> 00:53:19,979 Where does it go from there? 959 00:53:20,022 --> 00:53:22,111 When the decision was made that 960 00:53:22,155 --> 00:53:24,244 the museum was going to close, 961 00:53:24,288 --> 00:53:26,507 one of the biggest questions we had to answer is what 962 00:53:26,551 --> 00:53:27,900 happens to all the guitars? 963 00:53:28,901 --> 00:53:32,034 This was not an easy decision for anyone. 964 00:53:32,078 --> 00:53:35,690 I mean, for me, personally, my personal involvement 965 00:53:35,734 --> 00:53:39,433 of putting this collection together for more than 20 years 966 00:53:39,477 --> 00:53:41,305 really came into play, 967 00:53:41,348 --> 00:53:45,874 and could I really even fathom the idea of breaking it up? 968 00:53:48,268 --> 00:53:50,270 Initially, we drove out, 969 00:53:50,314 --> 00:53:53,230 brought home 300-and-something guitars in one trip. 970 00:53:53,273 --> 00:53:55,144 - Yeah. - But then we decided 971 00:53:55,188 --> 00:53:57,843 to get down to a fact where, um, you know, 972 00:53:57,886 --> 00:54:00,193 now we ship several guitars a week, 973 00:54:01,499 --> 00:54:04,545 either through different carriers to keep it, you know, 974 00:54:04,589 --> 00:54:07,418 spread out a little bit, and we receive the guitars here, uh, 975 00:54:08,332 --> 00:54:11,509 and then once the guitars are set up and out on the wall, 976 00:54:11,552 --> 00:54:16,383 we decide, you know, through our social media, mostly, 977 00:54:16,427 --> 00:54:17,950 we get the word out about 978 00:54:17,993 --> 00:54:20,039 which guitars are available for sale 979 00:54:20,082 --> 00:54:22,607 and people come through and, you know, 980 00:54:22,650 --> 00:54:24,304 call about what they're interested in. 981 00:54:24,348 --> 00:54:25,958 It's a pretty smooth process. 982 00:54:26,350 --> 00:54:27,873 So, every guitar you get, 983 00:54:27,916 --> 00:54:30,702 you basically set up, re-strung and, uh... 984 00:54:31,616 --> 00:54:34,053 Every single guitar goes through 985 00:54:34,096 --> 00:54:37,317 a re-authentication process and I'm going to tell you why. 986 00:54:37,361 --> 00:54:38,623 Okay. 987 00:54:40,059 --> 00:54:41,689 Certain standards have changed within our business 988 00:54:41,713 --> 00:54:44,455 over the past 20-some-odd years, okay? 989 00:54:44,498 --> 00:54:47,632 And it makes us always want to go back, now, where 990 00:54:47,675 --> 00:54:50,374 we take everything apart and photograph every... 991 00:54:50,678 --> 00:54:53,028 All the internal components of every guitar, okay? 992 00:54:53,072 --> 00:54:55,093 That was something that really wasn't done back then. 993 00:54:55,117 --> 00:54:57,206 We kind of took a look, and we put it back together. 994 00:54:57,250 --> 00:54:59,687 But the customers have become more savvy, 995 00:54:59,731 --> 00:55:03,430 and they want more proof, which is totally fine. 996 00:55:03,474 --> 00:55:05,998 So, what we're going to do now is we're going to look here 997 00:55:06,041 --> 00:55:08,566 and we're going to see a body date. 998 00:55:08,914 --> 00:55:14,093 And then, if you look closely, you'll see TG for Tadeo Gomez, 999 00:55:14,136 --> 00:55:17,575 okay, who did a lot of early production work for Fender, 1000 00:55:17,618 --> 00:55:21,666 and you'll see the date: 10/31/51. 1001 00:55:21,709 --> 00:55:25,757 So October 31st, so this is a Halloween special right here. 1002 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,281 Okay? On the neck, 1003 00:55:28,325 --> 00:55:30,588 we look at the neck date, and the neck date, 1004 00:55:30,631 --> 00:55:36,376 usually very close by, says TG, for Tadeo Gomez, 11/7/51. 1005 00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:38,500 Now I'm going to try and give you an angle of that... 1006 00:55:39,423 --> 00:55:41,163 so you can see it. 1007 00:55:41,207 --> 00:55:43,296 Hopefully you can get that on the camera. 1008 00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:46,908 Okay. So that is your neck date. 1009 00:56:10,454 --> 00:56:13,021 Now, some might think that this was a sad story. 1010 00:56:13,065 --> 00:56:14,675 It's, in fact, anything but. 1011 00:56:15,328 --> 00:56:16,721 This was the story of something 1012 00:56:16,764 --> 00:56:18,375 that probably never should have been, 1013 00:56:18,418 --> 00:56:21,334 something far beyond most people's imagination. 1014 00:56:21,595 --> 00:56:24,642 This museum was one of those rare moments in time. 1015 00:56:24,685 --> 00:56:28,341 For a short, short while, we had something truly special here. 1016 00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:31,649 The guitars spoke to you, they took you on a journey 1017 00:56:31,692 --> 00:56:33,912 to a more innocent time in music, 1018 00:56:34,173 --> 00:56:37,263 American history, and for many, their own life. 1019 00:56:37,916 --> 00:56:40,832 Though it was cut short, the life of this museum 1020 00:56:40,875 --> 00:56:43,443 is something that should be celebrated and remembered. 1021 00:56:45,314 --> 00:56:47,142 Though the museum itself will not reopen, 1022 00:56:47,186 --> 00:56:50,668 the space is being taken over by the Songbirds Foundation, 1023 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,759 where it will reopen later this year as an educational center. 1024 00:56:56,151 --> 00:56:58,458 The classic instruments that were on display here 1025 00:56:58,502 --> 00:57:00,373 have once again gone back to their owners 1026 00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:02,810 where they continue to be maintained, 1027 00:57:02,854 --> 00:57:04,595 restrung and set up. 1028 00:57:05,117 --> 00:57:06,771 At that point, they are once again ready 1029 00:57:06,814 --> 00:57:08,773 to be played and appreciated 1030 00:57:08,816 --> 00:57:11,297 as they were intended to be from the beginning. 1031 00:57:11,340 --> 00:57:14,474 At the end of the day, these instruments were the tools 1032 00:57:14,518 --> 00:57:16,911 that let guitar players sing through their fingers. 1033 00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:21,438 You could say, in the right hands, these were songbirds. 1034 00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:30,637 I wrote a song that I call "Guitar Poor". 1035 00:59:08,980 --> 00:59:11,678 And I thought about Songbird so many times 1036 00:59:11,722 --> 00:59:14,115 when I play that song, I thought, boy, talk about 1037 00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:16,988 being guitar poor, we're actually guitar rich. 80546

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