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Kate and Matt.
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- Mark. - Oh, Mark.
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Who'd like to go first?
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OK.
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Basically I kissed someone.
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I was drunk. It meant nothing.
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And I apologised a thousand times.
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And I accept his apology and people make mistakes,
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but mistakes have consequences.
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I mean, how would he feel if I did this to him?
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Really interesting question, Kate.
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How would he feel if I did this to him?
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I want you both to try something.
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I want you to swap seats.
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Kate, you're Matt.
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- Mark. - Mark. Mark, you're Kate.
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This is just a game, but it's also a great way to see
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everything from each other's perspective.
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Are you willing to give it a try?
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So, Kate, describe your relationship.
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Me?
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Oh, my relationship with Mark?
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That's right.
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Yeah, well, I mean, we live together.
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She's my girlfr... He's my...my...she's my girl...
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Sorry, I don't think I understand.
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- Mark, why don't you go first? - Sure.
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My name is Mark.
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I was in a pretty wonderful relationship for almost four years
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until I decided to set it on fire.
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I didn't decide anything, Kate.
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Uh, Mark.
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Sorry?
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That's Mark. You're Kate.
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Go on, Mark.
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I wasn't thinking about my girlfriend because I don't really respect her.
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Obviously.
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- Come on. - I'm selfish.
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Mark, describe the incident.
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I was at work drinks
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and I remember kissing some girl from marketing,
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and who knows what else I did because I have a drinking problem?
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I see. Mm.
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Kate, how do you respond to this?
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Yeah, thank you for telling me, Mark.
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I...I appreciate your honesty.
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It was a totally meaningless kiss.
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Well, I definitely wouldn't be psychotic about it.
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- Let's move on. - I would never say that.
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I hear your anger. Um...
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I think it might be easier for you to see Mark's point of view
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if you were one step further removed.
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Um, switch places with me.
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I'll be you.
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Uh...
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I'm you, you're me?
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- Who, am I? - You're still me, Mark.
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- You're still Kate. - I'm still Kate.
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- Take the reins, Joanne. - Who's Joanne?
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Oh, that's my...your name.
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I'm Joanne.
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You're Kate, you're Mark.
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Thank you, Joanne. Thank you so much for seeing us at such short notice.
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I know how busy you are.
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Do you mind if I go first, Kate?
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Please.
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See, the thing is, Joanne, I'm in pain.
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I've hurt the person I value most in the world.
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And although it was meaningless, it was still a betrayal.
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Yes, exactly.
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That's exactly how you feel, isn't it, Kate?
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I mean, yes?
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But if I look at it, what I did
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might be the symptom of a relationship in distress,
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not the cause.
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How do you mean?
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Well, I get the feeling that Kate is terrified
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of having her heart broken again.
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Yeah.
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And my stupid mistake was proof I was gonna leave.
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Yeah, I'm...I'm afraid of being abandoned.
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Sometimes, I get the feeling you're punishing me for things
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I haven't even done yet.
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Yes. Yeah, I punish you for nothing all the time.
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You're always testing the strength of our relationship,
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waiting for everything to fall apart.
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Yeah, but it won't.
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It won't.
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But what do I know?
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You're the world-famous therapist.
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Is there any hope for us?
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Doesn't excuse what you did, Mark?
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- Not at all. - And it depends.
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Do you still love Kate?
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- He does. - Very much.
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And, Kate, what about you?
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Well, I don't want to throw all this away.
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You have to believe me.
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I'm so sorry.
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Sorry for what?
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For cheating.
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You cheated on me?
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You know I did.
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You know I did.
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Kate, what the hell are you talking about?
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Oh, I'm still Kate. Sorry.
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- Wh-wh-whoa. When? - Two weeks ago.
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Wait, so you, dragged me to couples counselling
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because I "set the relationship on fire"
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but the whole time you've been doing the same thing?
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I think...I think what Mark is trying to say is...
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No, no, no, no. Do not speak for me, please.
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Nobody speaks for Mark.
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Wait, you cheated on me?
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- Yeah, but... - Well, who is it?
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- Do I know him? - Her.
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It's a woman? Wait, wait. So...you're bi now?
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What? No.
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I think there's a been a misunderstanding.
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I'll say. How is this helping? What kind of therapist are you?
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- I'm not a therapist. - You're not a therapist?
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Are you serious? I think I'm having a panic attack.
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Wait, wait, so this... this whole-whole thing
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is just some big, elaborate lie?
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I thought it was a game.
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This is a game to you, Joanne.
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What kind of sick freak, are you?
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Hey, don't talk about her like that.
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What, you think you're better than me
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with your diplomas and your stupid books that you haven't even read.
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Oh, oh.
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I never loved you. Can you hear me up there on your high horse?
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I-I SETTLED for you.
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I looked around at my life and I thought, you know what?
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Matt...Mick...MARK, it's closing time.
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And if this is the best I can do, then fine!
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So here it is.
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Here is what you've been willing me to say since the beginning.
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I'm leaving you. I am leaving you.
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And I hope I never have to see your stupid face again till the day I die!
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- Mark? - What?
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Remember when you were in Bolivia
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and Kate wanted to go on a tour of that silver mine?
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You're claustrophobic.
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But Kate insisted.
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"Live a little," she said.
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And it was 100 degrees down there
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and you had to crawl, and parts of it had caved in.
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Do you remember what happened?
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Kate freaked out.
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She couldn't breathe.
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And the tour guide wouldn't stop the tour, so...
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..you took her hand and you found your own way out of there.
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And it was scary under there.
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Underground.
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Almost as scary as being in love.
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You've both made mistakes.
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Neither one of you is perfect.
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But if this world is that crumbling silver mine in Bolivia...
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..there's only one person that you want there with you.
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Mark?
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Yes, Kate?
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Marry me?
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Er, really?
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She's right.
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It's you and me.
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What do you say?
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Oh, that's all the time we have.
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You're a god.
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No, no, I'm just Joanne.
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OK.
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Oh, I've just got to grab my bag.
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Thank you...
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..Joanne.
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You're welcome.
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I just got this.
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Still figuring it out. -
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Um, does that sound nice?
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No?
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Oh, what about the... No. -
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Oh, that's nice.
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It sounds like someone's pissing in the bush.
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Uh...
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I think I will go.
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Where?
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The Daintree.
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Oh, you changed your mind?
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You'll get dengue.
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Yeah.
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I figure, life's short, so I should live it more.
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Yeah, dengue will shorten it.
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And how are you feeling this week?
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Uh, well...I haven't cried inside the cleaner's cupboard
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or the Macca's drive-through.
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What about Bunnings?
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And Moana?
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I chose not to put myself through it.
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- Well, that's great to hear. - Yeah.
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You said some things last week that I think we need to unpack.
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Oh...
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I'm not a murderer, if that's what you think.
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No, let's talk more about your Bubu Agnes.
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- Am I saying that right? - Yeah, it's fine.
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These white people, they can say words like quiche,
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but are too scared to pronounce 'bubu'.
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Would you be open to sharing more about her?
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Uh...sure.
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What did you wanna know?
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Well, it sounds like she was a big part of your life.
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She was.
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She helped raise me.
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Used to take you to the markets with me almost every Sunday.
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She used to take me to the markets with her every Sunday.
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I'd have to bribe you with fish and saksak though.
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She used to always make me fish and sago.
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That's my favourite dish.
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You always helped me to look so pretty.
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She's so funny.
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She didn't trust any of the hairdressers,
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so I would have to be the one that would dye her hair jet black.
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AND she would make me put a flower in her hair every week.
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You were a good girl, Betty.
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You made me so very happy.
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It's OK, Betty. It's OK to cry.
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I'm just...
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I'm just really sorry.
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What are you sorry for?
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I should have...
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I should've called you that morning and told you I wasn't gonna make it.
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I was supposed to take you with me to the markets that Sunday,
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but I slept in.
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And I...I should have been there.
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I didn't know what was going to happen.
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I could've called the ambulance when you had the heart attack,
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I could've done something.
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There's nothing you could have done.
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I'm just...I'm just really sorry.
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Please forgive me.
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I never blamed you.
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You need to stop blaming yourself.
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Your bubu loves you.
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You are the sunshine of my life.
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I want you to focus on your breathing, Betty.
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Breathe in.
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And then out.
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Now, shift your attention to something in the room.
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The best thing we can do, as their loved ones,
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is to live a life that they'd be proud of.
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I hate this fucking thing.
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What do you think your Bubu Agnes would say if she were here?
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Sorry.
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It's new.
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- I'll be returning it. - You should.
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