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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,146 --> 00:00:17,146 (light music) (birds calling) 2 00:00:20,202 --> 00:00:23,035 (waves splashing) 3 00:00:26,310 --> 00:00:27,359 In commercial fishing, 4 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,373 there's an element of risk in all of it. 5 00:00:31,990 --> 00:00:33,443 Things can go wrong. 6 00:00:34,783 --> 00:00:35,710 And when they go wrong, 7 00:00:35,711 --> 00:00:37,683 they go terribly wrong very quickly. 8 00:00:40,550 --> 00:00:43,217 (rock splashes) 9 00:00:45,140 --> 00:00:46,409 Well, it was a long time ago. 10 00:00:46,410 --> 00:00:49,153 It was November 11th, 1978, as a matter of fact. 11 00:00:50,340 --> 00:00:52,209 We were coming across the Bay of Fundy, 12 00:00:52,210 --> 00:00:55,833 and we ran into some very heavy weather from the southwest. 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,939 When I realized what was going on, 14 00:00:58,940 --> 00:01:01,639 it was when I reached down into the bilge 15 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,121 to close the seacock, 16 00:01:03,122 --> 00:01:05,589 and the water came over my head. 17 00:01:05,590 --> 00:01:08,139 The captain said, "Oh Jesus, Russell, what's happened?" 18 00:01:08,140 --> 00:01:11,009 And I said, "Bill, I can't save her." 19 00:01:11,010 --> 00:01:12,560 I said, "We're gonna lose her." 20 00:01:13,530 --> 00:01:15,363 We were another 14 hours from home, 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,906 and I knew I had to get in the water 22 00:01:17,907 --> 00:01:20,219 and get the hell away from that boat. 23 00:01:20,220 --> 00:01:24,209 I jumped in, came up right next to the skiff. 24 00:01:24,210 --> 00:01:27,259 And it wasn't five minutes after we got away 25 00:01:27,260 --> 00:01:28,569 from the boat that she went down. 26 00:01:28,570 --> 00:01:29,789 I mean, she slid down. 27 00:01:29,790 --> 00:01:33,482 And it was the traditional groan of despair. 28 00:01:33,483 --> 00:01:35,540 (metal groaning) (water splashes) 29 00:01:35,541 --> 00:01:37,599 (somber music) 30 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,859 So the boys are off and Roy and I are together. 31 00:01:40,860 --> 00:01:42,436 Roy said to me, he said, 32 00:01:42,437 --> 00:01:45,523 "Boy, I've been waiting to die for six years, 33 00:01:46,860 --> 00:01:49,010 but I never thought it would be like this." 34 00:01:49,970 --> 00:01:52,319 And I said, "Roy, we're not gonna die. 35 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,249 We're gonna make this together." 36 00:01:54,250 --> 00:01:57,109 He said, "If we had the daylight behind us 37 00:01:57,110 --> 00:01:59,179 we might have a chance, but it's the dark of night." 38 00:01:59,180 --> 00:02:01,030 He said, "And they'll never find us." 39 00:02:02,030 --> 00:02:03,939 Another big sea took us. 40 00:02:03,940 --> 00:02:06,039 We just rolled into the crest of that wave 41 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,569 and kept on rolling. 42 00:02:07,570 --> 00:02:09,889 And when the sea spit us out, 43 00:02:09,890 --> 00:02:11,343 I was still with the skiff. 44 00:02:13,190 --> 00:02:14,193 Roy was gone. 45 00:02:15,978 --> 00:02:18,469 And that night, I was in and out of that skiff 46 00:02:18,470 --> 00:02:19,870 I don't know how many times. 47 00:02:20,780 --> 00:02:22,729 I just hunkered down and waited. 48 00:02:22,730 --> 00:02:23,783 What else could I do? 49 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:28,819 Now dawn comes, you know, hypothermic, 50 00:02:28,820 --> 00:02:31,699 severely hypothermic by that point, 51 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:33,659 kind of a little out of my head. 52 00:02:33,660 --> 00:02:35,779 And something caught my attention on the horizon. 53 00:02:35,780 --> 00:02:40,393 And I looked and there was this large Coast Guard vessel. 54 00:02:41,710 --> 00:02:43,269 I still had my hat on. 55 00:02:43,270 --> 00:02:45,953 I can't believe I still had that goddamn hat. 56 00:02:47,110 --> 00:02:49,629 And I stood up and I waved the hat 57 00:02:49,630 --> 00:02:51,753 and I lost my balance and over I went. 58 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,949 I had just enough to right that skiff 59 00:02:54,950 --> 00:02:56,799 and I got back in and I was done. 60 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,053 I was done. 61 00:03:00,190 --> 00:03:03,939 She gave a big blast of black smoke, 62 00:03:03,940 --> 00:03:05,856 and something in my mind said, 63 00:03:05,857 --> 00:03:07,069 "They've seen you, Russell. 64 00:03:07,070 --> 00:03:08,259 They've seen you and you're gonna live. 65 00:03:08,260 --> 00:03:09,260 You're gonna live." 66 00:03:10,450 --> 00:03:12,739 And they dropped the line right on top of me, 67 00:03:12,740 --> 00:03:15,129 and I couldn't grab it. 68 00:03:15,130 --> 00:03:17,499 I mean, there I was, 29-years-old, six feet, 69 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:19,779 200 pounds, strong as a bull, 70 00:03:19,780 --> 00:03:22,293 and I couldn't hang on to that rope. 71 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,169 They came around behind me in the small boat, four guys. 72 00:03:27,170 --> 00:03:28,953 And they just lifted me backwards. 73 00:03:30,650 --> 00:03:35,263 Every man jack turned out, 74 00:03:38,830 --> 00:03:41,813 and they were cheering. 75 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,336 Yep. And I could hear them. 76 00:03:49,337 --> 00:03:52,754 (somber music continues) 77 00:03:56,910 --> 00:03:59,263 Now we've got this crisis in cod fish. 78 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:04,239 And so our profits have been cut and cut and cut. 79 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,989 And now, the fellows that are in, 80 00:04:05,990 --> 00:04:08,393 many of them financially cannot get out. 81 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,549 They're reduced to working by themselves, 82 00:04:11,550 --> 00:04:14,173 which is the most dangerous thing you can do. 83 00:04:15,790 --> 00:04:17,029 It's not a good situation. 84 00:04:17,030 --> 00:04:19,369 It's not a good situation for a young man 85 00:04:19,370 --> 00:04:21,470 never mind a fellow that's past his prime. 86 00:04:24,219 --> 00:04:27,474 (somber music continues) (waves splashing) 87 00:04:27,475 --> 00:04:30,676 (birds calling) 88 00:04:30,677 --> 00:04:35,677 (water burbles) (soft dramatic music) 89 00:04:38,740 --> 00:04:40,799 (fish sloshing) 90 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,619 People think they get fish 91 00:04:42,620 --> 00:04:44,879 from a supermarket wrapped in plastic 92 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,019 and they have no idea about its source, 93 00:04:49,020 --> 00:04:52,503 which should raise some red flags. 94 00:04:52,504 --> 00:04:56,259 (equipment banging) 95 00:04:56,260 --> 00:04:58,219 Fish from all around the globe, 96 00:04:58,220 --> 00:05:00,989 frozen aboard the factory trawlers, 97 00:05:00,990 --> 00:05:04,539 shipped to China, thawed out, processed, 98 00:05:04,540 --> 00:05:07,529 refreeze it, send it back to this country, 99 00:05:07,530 --> 00:05:09,229 and it's being sold at supermarkets 100 00:05:09,230 --> 00:05:11,959 and restaurants and people don't know it. 101 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,779 (equipment clattering) 102 00:05:15,780 --> 00:05:17,989 The United States fishery today 103 00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:19,729 is the most regulated fishery in the world. 104 00:05:19,730 --> 00:05:22,029 Yeah, I don't think Americans believe that. 105 00:05:22,030 --> 00:05:24,059 I think they think that all of our fish has collapsed 106 00:05:24,060 --> 00:05:25,209 and it's the fisherman's fault 107 00:05:25,210 --> 00:05:27,699 and we might as well get fish from China 108 00:05:27,700 --> 00:05:29,739 because at least there's abundance of it. 109 00:05:29,740 --> 00:05:32,190 Well, that's not the fucking case. It's just not. 110 00:05:34,050 --> 00:05:35,739 (birds calling) 111 00:05:35,740 --> 00:05:38,849 We've lost 5,000 jobs in Massachusetts 112 00:05:38,850 --> 00:05:41,583 and 830 vessels. 113 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,059 It is perverse when fishermen are hurting in New England 114 00:05:46,060 --> 00:05:49,007 and we're importing 90% of our seafood. 115 00:05:49,008 --> 00:05:51,508 (soft music) 116 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:57,229 The average American palette really needs to diversify, 117 00:05:57,230 --> 00:06:01,903 needs to expand what they view as edible seafood. 118 00:06:02,940 --> 00:06:07,839 If Americans chose to go beyond the simple fish stick, 119 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:11,649 the shrimp cocktail, and kinda just open up their minds 120 00:06:11,650 --> 00:06:13,059 and open up their palates, 121 00:06:13,060 --> 00:06:15,149 we could probably feed ourselves 122 00:06:15,150 --> 00:06:17,543 with the resources that we have here at hand. 123 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,247 We are the true conservationists 124 00:06:24,248 --> 00:06:27,419 and we are the true stewards of our ocean. 125 00:06:27,420 --> 00:06:29,639 Fish Harbour out here 126 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,609 has seen fishing for 400 years 127 00:06:33,610 --> 00:06:36,500 and we're not going to let it stop now. 128 00:06:42,301 --> 00:06:47,301 (people chattering) (upbeat jazz music) 129 00:06:57,972 --> 00:06:59,959 (crowd clapping) 130 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:02,439 I wanna introduce a good friend of mine, 131 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,509 Chef Barton Seaver. 132 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:05,109 He does extremely important work 133 00:07:05,110 --> 00:07:07,729 in the field of seafood sustainability. 134 00:07:07,730 --> 00:07:08,939 Just wrote a killer book. 135 00:07:08,940 --> 00:07:10,125 So take it away. 136 00:07:10,126 --> 00:07:11,483 (crowd applauds) All right. 137 00:07:14,330 --> 00:07:16,999 My path towards sustainability started in restaurants. 138 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,856 I called up my fish purveyor one day and said, 139 00:07:18,857 --> 00:07:21,149 "Hey, I want the fish that I knew as a child, 140 00:07:21,150 --> 00:07:22,709 the fish that I caught in the Chesapeake. 141 00:07:22,710 --> 00:07:23,819 I want blue fish, striped bass. 142 00:07:23,820 --> 00:07:24,653 I want blue crabs. 143 00:07:24,654 --> 00:07:26,379 This is gonna be awesome." 144 00:07:26,380 --> 00:07:27,739 And the guy on the other end of the line 145 00:07:27,740 --> 00:07:28,926 literally said to me, he said, 146 00:07:28,927 --> 00:07:31,219 "Kid, what are you talking about? 147 00:07:31,220 --> 00:07:33,899 We ate all those. What else do you want?" 148 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:37,169 We really don't have a deep cultural connection 149 00:07:37,170 --> 00:07:39,979 to our oceans, to the communities that provide 150 00:07:39,980 --> 00:07:42,859 for us from them in this country. 151 00:07:42,860 --> 00:07:44,849 Now in America, if I asked you to close your eyes 152 00:07:44,850 --> 00:07:48,709 and do an exercise where I say, "Picture a farm, okay? 153 00:07:48,710 --> 00:07:51,489 Gently undulating hills, rows of corn, 154 00:07:51,490 --> 00:07:53,239 red barn, color fading." 155 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,039 I mean, we get this, 156 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,199 but when I ask you to close your eyes 157 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,300 and picture a fishery, 158 00:07:58,300 --> 00:07:59,133 most people open their eyes back up and say, 159 00:07:59,134 --> 00:08:01,809 "Huh? What are you talking about?" 160 00:08:01,810 --> 00:08:03,009 To understand what a fishery is, 161 00:08:03,010 --> 00:08:03,843 you stand on that dock 162 00:08:03,844 --> 00:08:06,909 and you turn around and you look at my neighborhood 163 00:08:06,910 --> 00:08:09,899 and you look at the houses and the public schools 164 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:11,949 and the opportunities for a young daughter 165 00:08:11,950 --> 00:08:14,889 or son to follow in five, six, seven generations 166 00:08:14,890 --> 00:08:17,199 of boot steps to take helm of that lobster boat. 167 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,079 That is a fishery, it is the sum 168 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,159 of the labors and aspirations of a community. 169 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,353 And that is something worth saving. 170 00:08:25,588 --> 00:08:29,255 (soft inspirational music) 171 00:08:38,790 --> 00:08:42,709 No other place has ever had its entire identity 172 00:08:42,710 --> 00:08:44,979 wrapped up with a fishery through centuries 173 00:08:44,980 --> 00:08:46,380 the way that Gloucester has. 174 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,169 It's Gloucester that has that statue 175 00:08:51,170 --> 00:08:52,829 of the grizzled fishermen in his oil skins. 176 00:08:52,830 --> 00:08:54,429 It was Gloucester that sent so many men 177 00:08:54,430 --> 00:08:55,629 to sea and lost so many men. 178 00:08:55,630 --> 00:08:56,799 It was Gloucester where, actually, 179 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,939 some of the first Birds Eye processing plants 180 00:08:58,940 --> 00:09:00,849 for frozen fish were located nearby. 181 00:09:00,850 --> 00:09:02,969 So Gloucester is, in many ways, 182 00:09:02,970 --> 00:09:05,731 the iconic American fishing port. 183 00:09:05,732 --> 00:09:10,732 (wood creaking) (birds calling) 184 00:09:14,540 --> 00:09:16,503 My businesses is all family. 185 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,603 It has been forever. 186 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,449 My uncles, in the Bay of Fundy, 187 00:09:30,450 --> 00:09:32,889 took me fishing when I was a little guy, 188 00:09:32,890 --> 00:09:34,590 and I've been doing it ever since. 189 00:09:36,590 --> 00:09:39,290 Well, I guess it's the old saying, it's in your blood. 190 00:09:41,180 --> 00:09:44,173 I started on my own in '77, I believe it was. 191 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,981 Prices were good, 192 00:09:46,982 --> 00:09:48,633 there was plenty of fish to be caught. 193 00:09:50,130 --> 00:09:52,039 And I went to the maximum 194 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,803 of four boats at one time with two crews. 195 00:09:56,970 --> 00:09:58,809 You day boat fish and you'll leave in the dark 196 00:09:58,810 --> 00:09:59,643 at three in the morning, 197 00:09:59,644 --> 00:10:00,909 and you're not coming back to three, four, 198 00:10:00,910 --> 00:10:02,260 five, six in the afternoon. 199 00:10:04,110 --> 00:10:06,039 It's just a feeling of being able 200 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,119 to survive the elements 201 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,263 and taking care of your family. 202 00:10:13,070 --> 00:10:14,170 It's not a bad living. 203 00:10:17,950 --> 00:10:22,693 Let them bake at about 450 degrees. 204 00:10:29,460 --> 00:10:30,712 And you know what's the first thing to do 205 00:10:30,713 --> 00:10:32,093 when you buy fish? 206 00:10:33,650 --> 00:10:36,103 You have to rinse it in cold water. 207 00:10:40,130 --> 00:10:41,413 I'm gonna do one piece 208 00:10:41,414 --> 00:10:43,237 and then I'm gonna let you do the rest. 209 00:10:43,238 --> 00:10:45,303 That's how I taught my children. 210 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:51,349 My son, my husband my father, 211 00:10:51,350 --> 00:10:54,699 both of my grandfathers, my uncles, 212 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:57,749 my grandfather father was a fishermen, 213 00:10:57,750 --> 00:10:59,453 and the father before him. 214 00:11:00,529 --> 00:11:03,029 (soft music) 215 00:11:08,210 --> 00:11:12,623 On June 15, 1965, we arrived at Gloucester. 216 00:11:14,183 --> 00:11:15,983 It was a beautiful day. 217 00:11:16,930 --> 00:11:18,953 They were getting ready for fiesta. 218 00:11:19,940 --> 00:11:24,359 And we went into our friend's house. 219 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,559 And I will never forget, as we walked in, 220 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:30,543 there were two sinks full of fresh fish. 221 00:11:31,580 --> 00:11:34,369 Back then, the Gloucester fishing industry 222 00:11:34,370 --> 00:11:37,899 was 99% Italian-American. 223 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:39,923 Most people did not speak English. 224 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,279 There was so much fish in the ocean 225 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,199 and fishermen were catching fish in a great abundant way. 226 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,893 The cod fish were selling at four cents a pound. 227 00:11:52,140 --> 00:11:54,499 I describe fishermen as birds 228 00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:56,293 that cannot stay in the cage. 229 00:11:57,430 --> 00:12:01,125 It's a way of life. It's a passion. 230 00:12:01,126 --> 00:12:06,126 (crowd chattering) (upbeat parade music) 231 00:12:12,150 --> 00:12:13,389 Places like Gloucester 232 00:12:13,390 --> 00:12:15,219 are so important to our very identity. 233 00:12:15,220 --> 00:12:16,503 They are our history. 234 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,349 One of the great mythologies of America's founding 235 00:12:21,350 --> 00:12:22,859 is that settlers came here 236 00:12:22,860 --> 00:12:24,859 seeking freedom of religion. 237 00:12:24,860 --> 00:12:27,129 But in fact, Europeans had been sailing 238 00:12:27,130 --> 00:12:28,733 to these shores seeking cod. 239 00:12:31,090 --> 00:12:32,569 Family after family, 240 00:12:32,570 --> 00:12:34,359 every generation have been involved, 241 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,663 in some context, either offshore or onshore. 242 00:12:39,850 --> 00:12:43,189 This country was founded and built on fish. 243 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:44,550 And it started here. 244 00:12:47,737 --> 00:12:49,271 Yodel-a-hee-hoo! Our next run. 245 00:12:49,272 --> 00:12:51,745 Okay, nice walk. 246 00:12:51,746 --> 00:12:56,746 (film whirring) (marching music) 247 00:13:01,570 --> 00:13:03,069 Well, it looks like the Russians 248 00:13:03,070 --> 00:13:05,059 have come to California. 249 00:13:05,060 --> 00:13:07,409 This stern trawler here is bringing in its net, 250 00:13:07,410 --> 00:13:09,379 which is four to six times larger 251 00:13:09,380 --> 00:13:10,879 than an American net. 252 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,509 It's capable of taking one million pounds 253 00:13:13,510 --> 00:13:14,883 of fish in three days. 254 00:13:16,150 --> 00:13:17,559 After the Second World War, 255 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:20,579 the Soviet Union industrialized the fish. 256 00:13:20,580 --> 00:13:23,539 Nobody before had ever thought of an industrial fishery. 257 00:13:23,540 --> 00:13:25,446 It was almost an oxymoron, but they did it. 258 00:13:25,447 --> 00:13:27,709 You know, they created factory trawlers 259 00:13:27,710 --> 00:13:28,690 that processed on board. 260 00:13:28,691 --> 00:13:30,973 They could stay out for months at a time. 261 00:13:32,654 --> 00:13:34,569 The United States only had jurisdiction 262 00:13:34,570 --> 00:13:36,199 out to 12 miles. 263 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,299 And just outside that 12 miles 264 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:40,753 was like Chicago City light up at night. 265 00:13:42,685 --> 00:13:44,989 These Russians are really wiping us out. 266 00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:47,269 Somebody ought to get the bull by the horns 267 00:13:47,270 --> 00:13:49,009 and get ahold of the government 268 00:13:49,010 --> 00:13:51,060 and make them understand what's going on. 269 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,609 The Fishermen's Wife Association started in 1969 270 00:14:00,610 --> 00:14:04,129 because they realized that this resource 271 00:14:04,130 --> 00:14:06,549 was being destroyed by the invasion 272 00:14:06,550 --> 00:14:08,949 of the foreign factory trawler. 273 00:14:08,950 --> 00:14:11,659 For the first time, these wives who never, 274 00:14:11,660 --> 00:14:14,309 as we say in Gloucester, never crossed the bridge, 275 00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:15,679 they went to Washington. 276 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:17,599 They testified at Senate hearing, 277 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,299 Congressional hearing, that got the attention 278 00:14:20,300 --> 00:14:22,139 of the whole country. 279 00:14:22,140 --> 00:14:25,539 And these woman got it done. 280 00:14:25,540 --> 00:14:29,490 They started the movement for the Magnuson-Stevens Act. 281 00:14:29,491 --> 00:14:31,991 (soft music) 282 00:14:33,133 --> 00:14:35,989 The new 200-mile US fishing limit, 283 00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:37,909 which went into effect last midnight, 284 00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:40,139 has already resulted in a sharp drop 285 00:14:40,140 --> 00:14:42,039 in foreign trawlers. 286 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,139 The United States assumed control 287 00:14:44,140 --> 00:14:46,669 over the fisheries out 200 miles for the first time. 288 00:14:46,670 --> 00:14:48,149 And it kicked the Soviet fleet out. 289 00:14:48,150 --> 00:14:48,983 We kicked the Polish fleet out. 290 00:14:48,984 --> 00:14:51,379 We kicked the Japanese, kick them all out 291 00:14:51,380 --> 00:14:54,143 and replace them with our boats. 292 00:14:56,380 --> 00:14:57,459 The quid pro quo was 293 00:14:57,460 --> 00:15:00,109 that we would accept the government 294 00:15:00,110 --> 00:15:01,985 managing the fishery. 295 00:15:01,986 --> 00:15:04,491 (birds calling) 296 00:15:04,492 --> 00:15:07,689 (chains rattling) 297 00:15:07,690 --> 00:15:10,129 When that happened, immediately, 298 00:15:10,130 --> 00:15:12,749 the government started giving low-interest loans 299 00:15:12,750 --> 00:15:14,450 to people who built fishing boats. 300 00:15:16,335 --> 00:15:18,979 There were doctors and lawyers and dentists 301 00:15:18,980 --> 00:15:21,719 who invested for tax credit purpose. 302 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,209 And it was just to make the quick dollars. 303 00:15:25,210 --> 00:15:27,059 [David] Everybody said, "Boy, this is great, 304 00:15:27,060 --> 00:15:28,829 you know, we own all this ocean. 305 00:15:28,830 --> 00:15:31,429 Now we're gonna catch all these fish." 306 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:33,569 Many fishermen referred to that era 307 00:15:33,570 --> 00:15:36,709 as the Wild West, anything went. 308 00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:37,929 There were rules on the books, 309 00:15:37,930 --> 00:15:39,719 but very few of them were followed. 310 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,099 Life was good. 311 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:42,550 And it didn't last very long. 312 00:15:48,950 --> 00:15:50,033 Thank you Mr. Chair. 313 00:15:50,970 --> 00:15:53,369 Peter Shelley, Conservation Law Foundation. 314 00:15:53,370 --> 00:15:56,099 I've been coming to this council since 1989 315 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:57,689 to try to prevent overfishing 316 00:15:57,690 --> 00:16:00,109 on Gulf of Maine cod and Georges Bank. 317 00:16:00,110 --> 00:16:02,559 The issue here is what do the cod need? 318 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,599 We started to get calls in the late '80s 319 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,106 from fishermen saying to us, 320 00:16:07,107 --> 00:16:09,569 "You guys need to get involved here, 321 00:16:09,570 --> 00:16:13,909 because the managers are collapsing the fishery." 322 00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:16,393 That's why we brought a lawsuit. 323 00:16:17,677 --> 00:16:20,927 (soft dramatic music) 324 00:16:24,740 --> 00:16:27,189 We supported them because the fishermen 325 00:16:27,190 --> 00:16:30,009 saw things that were changing in the ocean 326 00:16:30,010 --> 00:16:31,769 that they couldn't get the government people 327 00:16:31,770 --> 00:16:32,969 to pay attention to. 328 00:16:32,970 --> 00:16:35,961 There was no regulation on the volume of fish 329 00:16:35,962 --> 00:16:36,989 you could land per day. 330 00:16:36,990 --> 00:16:39,206 If you wanted to, you can catch five, six, 7,000, 331 00:16:39,207 --> 00:16:41,943 10,000 pounds of fish, which people were doing. 332 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,119 American ingenuity being what it is, 333 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,089 you know, we got very efficient. 334 00:16:49,090 --> 00:16:51,549 And so I think we did some damage to the industry, 335 00:16:51,550 --> 00:16:53,979 certainly through the '80s. 336 00:16:53,980 --> 00:16:55,909 Overfishing had been going on so long 337 00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:58,229 that the stock assessments showed 338 00:16:58,230 --> 00:17:01,429 that the populations in this '94, '95 period 339 00:17:01,430 --> 00:17:04,339 as being the lowest that had ever been seen 340 00:17:04,340 --> 00:17:05,839 in recorded history in new England, 341 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,209 which goes back centuries. 342 00:17:08,210 --> 00:17:10,209 A settlement was reached 343 00:17:10,210 --> 00:17:12,309 to come up with a management plan 344 00:17:12,310 --> 00:17:14,819 that set the catch levels low enough 345 00:17:14,820 --> 00:17:16,803 so that overfishing was going to stop. 346 00:17:18,820 --> 00:17:23,739 We started rebuilding the fish stocks in the early '90s, 347 00:17:23,740 --> 00:17:27,069 which most of this came from the fishermen themselves. 348 00:17:27,070 --> 00:17:29,879 Obviously, we don't wanna wipe this area out of fish. 349 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,309 In 1994, they went to a limited access program 350 00:17:33,310 --> 00:17:35,709 and it locked in the people that were in the fishery 351 00:17:35,710 --> 00:17:37,319 and basically locked out anybody 352 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:38,670 that wasn't in the fishery. 353 00:17:40,110 --> 00:17:42,079 During that time, they also established 354 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,463 what they referred to as Days at Sea. 355 00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:48,449 The government originally started out 356 00:17:48,450 --> 00:17:51,849 with like 180 Days at Sea back in the '90s. 357 00:17:51,850 --> 00:17:52,683 And they kept cutting that 358 00:17:52,684 --> 00:17:54,599 and cutting that cutting that. 359 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,479 We were cut back to, I believe it was 360 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,589 160 days per year we could fish. 361 00:17:58,590 --> 00:18:01,059 And then it went downhill from there. 362 00:18:01,060 --> 00:18:05,209 88 days, 44 days, to 32 days. 363 00:18:05,210 --> 00:18:07,810 How the hell are you gonna make a living in 23 days? 364 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:10,159 Well, you can do what some guys did, 365 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,039 is they went out and bought extra permits 366 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,119 for 150,000, 200,000, some of them. 367 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:20,309 Only the cruel joke about that was, in two years, 368 00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:22,719 those permits were worthless 369 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,859 because it wasn't Days at Sea anymore, 370 00:18:24,860 --> 00:18:26,173 it was catch shares. 371 00:18:27,630 --> 00:18:31,969 Per permit, you were allocated quota per your history. 372 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:33,979 The fishery service never told us 373 00:18:33,980 --> 00:18:36,109 that they were going down that history road. 374 00:18:36,110 --> 00:18:39,029 Unfortunately, what tends to happen 375 00:18:39,030 --> 00:18:41,469 unless you have some bulwark against this, 376 00:18:41,470 --> 00:18:44,629 is that larger fleets and larger companies 377 00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:47,109 buy that quota from the smaller fishermen, 378 00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:50,219 amassing it into a larger and larger piece of the pie 379 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:52,419 until it gets to a point where, the small fishermen, 380 00:18:52,420 --> 00:18:54,059 it's really not worth it for them 381 00:18:54,060 --> 00:18:56,010 to hang onto their quota anymore. 382 00:18:58,181 --> 00:18:59,077 When they told us that, 383 00:18:59,078 --> 00:19:03,137 "We're gonna do this kind of a restriction, 384 00:19:03,138 --> 00:19:05,839 because I guarantee you, by 2014, 385 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,939 we are going to have so much fish 386 00:19:07,940 --> 00:19:09,056 that everyone can fish. 387 00:19:09,057 --> 00:19:10,999 And the ones who didn't sell their boats 388 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,795 will be richer and everything else," 389 00:19:12,796 --> 00:19:14,029 and we just said, "We wanna survive. 390 00:19:14,030 --> 00:19:15,463 Just let us survive." 391 00:19:18,580 --> 00:19:20,359 At NOAA Fisheries, what we do 392 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:22,839 is manage fisheries in federal waters, 393 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,839 that's three miles out to 200 miles. 394 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,229 We work with the New England Fishery Management Council. 395 00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:34,639 My job is balancing fish and fishermen. 396 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:39,640 We have allowed fish stocks to get down to very low levels. 397 00:19:40,430 --> 00:19:42,859 And then with climate change, 398 00:19:42,860 --> 00:19:44,629 it created a hostile environment 399 00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:46,589 for these depleted stocks. 400 00:19:46,590 --> 00:19:48,849 Temperature's a really, really important factor 401 00:19:48,850 --> 00:19:51,119 that affects the timing of when the fish spawn. 402 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,309 It affects how many eggs they can produce. 403 00:19:53,310 --> 00:19:55,909 And since 2004, the Gulf of Maine increased 404 00:19:55,910 --> 00:19:57,289 by three degrees Celsius, 405 00:19:57,290 --> 00:19:59,489 which is about five degrees Fahrenheit. 406 00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:00,879 It's like taking the Gulf of Maine 407 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,589 and moving it south to the temperatures 408 00:20:02,590 --> 00:20:03,829 that we would expect to see, 409 00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:05,263 you know, off of New Jersey. 410 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,519 I knew that the job was going to be very tough. 411 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,359 And I knew that there was a lot of distrust 412 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:14,239 towards NOAA Fisheries. 413 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,159 And when you give people bad news, 414 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,609 I've never met a single person 415 00:20:18,610 --> 00:20:20,299 who likes to hear bad news. 416 00:20:20,300 --> 00:20:22,809 Six generations down the line passed down, 417 00:20:22,810 --> 00:20:25,119 and he's done nothing but S-H-I-T to us. 418 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:27,199 I didn't take the fish from the goddamn water. 419 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,804 Then who took it, then? So don't go abusing me! 420 00:20:28,805 --> 00:20:31,529 You and your goddamn people come in! 421 00:20:31,530 --> 00:20:33,299 [John B.] Over 20 years ago, 422 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:35,719 the Canadians made a quota cut. 423 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,029 I'm making a decision based on the desire to ensure 424 00:20:40,030 --> 00:20:42,589 that the Northern cod survives as a species. 425 00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:44,943 They cut it 100%, 426 00:20:45,826 --> 00:20:48,137 and the cod still haven't come back. 427 00:20:48,138 --> 00:20:50,829 (dramatic music) 428 00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:52,099 [Reporter] Fishermen and political leaders 429 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:54,029 rallied on Boston's Fish Pier 430 00:20:54,030 --> 00:20:55,189 demanding the federal government 431 00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:58,679 back off its long-planned 77% reduction. 432 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,409 And we are totally frustrated 433 00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:02,815 with NOAA and their regulatory schemes 434 00:21:02,816 --> 00:21:04,499 and their inability to be flexible 435 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:05,719 and their apparent desire 436 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:06,553 not to work with us. (crowd cheering) 437 00:21:06,554 --> 00:21:08,889 [Reporter] What would an 80 or 90% cut 438 00:21:08,890 --> 00:21:10,549 in current levels mean to that industry? 439 00:21:10,550 --> 00:21:13,319 That is extinction of the fishery as we know it. 440 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,139 The houses we foreclosed on, our boats, everything, 441 00:21:16,140 --> 00:21:18,809 we're looking at a total complete loss of everything. 442 00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:21,009 It's the end of the oldest independent industry 443 00:21:21,010 --> 00:21:23,409 in the country, period. 444 00:21:23,410 --> 00:21:26,179 And all we've ever done is do what we're told. 445 00:21:26,180 --> 00:21:28,029 We need to set the regulations straight. 446 00:21:28,030 --> 00:21:29,723 We need to get the science right. 447 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,659 The reasons the fishing industries die 448 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:35,849 is not because of too much conservation. 449 00:21:35,850 --> 00:21:38,319 It's because of the loss of fish. 450 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,099 Yes, people go out of business. 451 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:41,709 Yes, there is hardship, 452 00:21:41,710 --> 00:21:44,549 because there aren't any fish because, 453 00:21:44,550 --> 00:21:47,529 because there aren't any fish. 454 00:21:47,530 --> 00:21:48,846 Now, Mr. Bullard, I see you out there, 455 00:21:48,847 --> 00:21:50,989 and I appreciate the fact that you're here. 456 00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:52,995 We need your cooperation. (crowd clapping) 457 00:21:52,996 --> 00:21:54,559 We need your help. (crowd cheering) 458 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,659 We need you to find a way to make this work. 459 00:21:58,660 --> 00:22:01,679 At some point, we need to rebuild the fish. 460 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,273 I just hope it's not too late. 461 00:22:04,287 --> 00:22:06,089 Then I won't be miserable 462 00:22:06,090 --> 00:22:09,029 if you can help us take the no out of NOAA. 463 00:22:09,030 --> 00:22:11,032 'Cause I don't know how many times. 464 00:22:11,033 --> 00:22:12,339 (crowd cheering) 465 00:22:12,340 --> 00:22:14,289 We want you to raise the quotas. 466 00:22:14,290 --> 00:22:18,139 Well, legally, we don't think we can do that. 467 00:22:18,140 --> 00:22:19,269 It's not gonna be easy. 468 00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:23,079 There is pain. And there will be pain. 469 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,599 The very survival of fishing communities is on the line. 470 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,609 There's not one fisherman's family tonight 471 00:22:27,610 --> 00:22:29,110 that isn't holding its breath. 472 00:22:34,188 --> 00:22:37,438 (dramatic music slows) 473 00:22:45,695 --> 00:22:46,829 When you go to a store 474 00:22:46,830 --> 00:22:48,809 and you see two different pieces of cod, 475 00:22:48,810 --> 00:22:51,159 maybe even three, you've got Alaskan cod, 476 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,039 you've got Atlantic cod from the New England region, 477 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,969 and then you've got Norwegian cod. 478 00:22:54,970 --> 00:22:56,409 And we're forced to now make 479 00:22:56,410 --> 00:22:58,416 yet a further informed decision of, 480 00:22:58,417 --> 00:23:00,729 "Okay, well, food miles, greenhouse gas, 481 00:23:00,730 --> 00:23:03,329 you know, local economies, global economies. 482 00:23:03,330 --> 00:23:04,389 What are we doing?" 483 00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:06,111 that we forget to ask like, "Wait a minute, 484 00:23:06,112 --> 00:23:08,079 why do we need three pieces of cod 485 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,325 in the grocery store?" 486 00:23:09,326 --> 00:23:11,479 (soft whimsical music) 487 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,469 Americans have a very simple concept 488 00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:16,229 of what seafood is supposed to do, 489 00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:17,989 culinarily and nutritionally. 490 00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:19,689 Only yesterday they told me 491 00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:21,189 how much they like H. Salt fish 492 00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:23,159 because it's not fishy tasting. 493 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,699 It's just plain good eating." 494 00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:27,089 For the average American, 495 00:23:27,090 --> 00:23:30,359 most fish is a dough delivery system, 496 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,369 so of course we don't have an appreciation 497 00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:35,259 for what's really good. 498 00:23:35,260 --> 00:23:36,959 And it's no surprise 499 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,869 that we have things like tilapia, 500 00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:40,979 the fifth most-consumed seafood in America 501 00:23:40,980 --> 00:23:42,680 being at the center of our plates. 502 00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:47,519 Tilapia is the perfect industrial fish. 503 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,549 It's easy to feed. It's easy to reproduce. 504 00:23:51,550 --> 00:23:52,649 It has no flavor. 505 00:23:52,650 --> 00:23:53,979 It's disgusting. 506 00:23:53,980 --> 00:23:55,089 I wouldn't eat a tilapia 507 00:23:55,090 --> 00:23:56,440 with somebody else's mouth. 508 00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:59,319 It became like the aquatic chicken. 509 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,979 And they really went down the same line 510 00:24:01,980 --> 00:24:04,623 as the Perdue chicken model. 511 00:24:05,650 --> 00:24:08,299 We have been taught to like tilapia. 512 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:12,043 We have been taught to like bland, white foods. 513 00:24:12,980 --> 00:24:16,589 There are abundance stocks in the ocean. 514 00:24:16,590 --> 00:24:18,979 Pollock is a delicious fish. 515 00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:21,259 It's very similar to cod, 516 00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:24,449 except that when you sell it at auction, 517 00:24:24,450 --> 00:24:28,039 it's 95 cents, a dollar on a good day. 518 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,949 Cod is 3.40. 519 00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:31,779 So there's a reason why we catch 520 00:24:31,780 --> 00:24:34,082 and continue to target cod and haddock: 521 00:24:34,083 --> 00:24:36,153 because that's what the people wanna eat. 522 00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:40,789 [Barton] We're only willing to eat 523 00:24:40,790 --> 00:24:42,443 a certain number of species. 524 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,459 And when we make demands of any natural system, 525 00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:50,193 then we become sort of the arbiters of natural selection. 526 00:24:51,410 --> 00:24:52,243 And so what we've done 527 00:24:52,244 --> 00:24:54,609 is we've created an entire irrational economy 528 00:24:54,610 --> 00:24:55,919 that's based on demand 529 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,851 rather than what the oceans can sustainably supply. 530 00:24:58,852 --> 00:25:01,269 (soft music) 531 00:25:02,961 --> 00:25:07,961 (boat engine humming) (water splashing) 532 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:11,809 I'm a cod fishermen. 533 00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:13,630 I've caught cod all my life. 534 00:25:13,631 --> 00:25:16,798 (light upbeat music) 535 00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:20,709 I fell off the pier three years ago, 536 00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:22,799 fell 20 feet and landed on my head. 537 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,750 Broke just about every bone in my body. 538 00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:31,319 All the doctors, 36 of them I had, 539 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,716 and every one of them said the same thing, 540 00:25:32,717 --> 00:25:34,369 "Take Social Security Disability. 541 00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:36,079 You're never fishing again." 542 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,699 I said, "I'll prove you wrong." 543 00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:39,850 Nine months later, I was back on that boat. 544 00:25:43,870 --> 00:25:44,703 I like doing this. 545 00:25:44,704 --> 00:25:46,859 This is all I've done my entire life. 546 00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:49,247 I get up at 3:30 and I go to work. 547 00:25:49,248 --> 00:25:52,483 And I'm good at what I do and I enjoy it. 548 00:25:57,070 --> 00:25:58,609 The public gets this impression 549 00:25:58,610 --> 00:26:02,529 that it's easy to just go catch one thing. 550 00:26:02,530 --> 00:26:05,809 The fact is that it's not, it's almost impossible. 551 00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:07,769 If you wanna catch a winter flounder, 552 00:26:07,770 --> 00:26:09,209 you gotta have yellow tails. 553 00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:11,229 If you wanna catch American plaice, 554 00:26:11,230 --> 00:26:12,309 you gotta have gray sole. 555 00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:14,079 You gotta have it all. 556 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,049 Almost all fishing gears 557 00:26:16,050 --> 00:26:18,399 catch more than one thing at a time. 558 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,369 And if you're trying to avoid it, 559 00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:22,239 then we usually call that bycatch. 560 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,659 I get an incidental catch permit for butterfish. 561 00:26:24,660 --> 00:26:26,139 I catch more than I'm allowed 562 00:26:26,140 --> 00:26:27,379 and I just shovel them over the side. 563 00:26:27,380 --> 00:26:30,133 Now, that's just stupid, 564 00:26:30,134 --> 00:26:33,303 but that's the kind of management system we have. 565 00:26:35,978 --> 00:26:39,811 (soft upbeat music continues) 566 00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:52,349 Bycatch, what it means practically 567 00:26:52,350 --> 00:26:54,319 is the fish that fishermen catch 568 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,219 that we are not willing to eat. 569 00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:58,369 They cost a fishermen the same amount of money 570 00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:59,959 to catch the unwanted species 571 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,929 as it does the targeted species. 572 00:27:01,930 --> 00:27:03,499 It's a waste of food, certainly, 573 00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:05,149 but it's a waste of economic opportunity 574 00:27:05,150 --> 00:27:08,009 and it's a waste of delicious opportunity. 575 00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:10,949 Bottom line, bycatch should be on our menu 576 00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:13,203 and it should just be called catch of the day. 577 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,459 Back in the early seventies, 578 00:27:17,460 --> 00:27:18,749 I was down at the Fish Pier 579 00:27:18,750 --> 00:27:22,959 and I saw a box of fish marked "Monkey tails." 580 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,199 And I said to one of the dock workers down there, 581 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,089 I go, "Geez, monkey tails, what's this?" 582 00:27:28,090 --> 00:27:31,509 And he said, "You don't want any of this blank, 583 00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:34,399 but we sell it to France for big money." 584 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,771 As luck would have it, Julia Child came by that day. 585 00:27:37,772 --> 00:27:39,669 And she said, "What, what?" 586 00:27:39,670 --> 00:27:42,337 (upbeat music) 587 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,409 Welcome. I'm Julia Child. 588 00:27:45,410 --> 00:27:47,509 We're gonna have a very fine, 589 00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:49,629 fast fish dinner today. 590 00:27:49,630 --> 00:27:52,539 Under this coverture is one 591 00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:55,149 of the great fish of all time. 592 00:27:55,150 --> 00:27:59,879 Woo, look at that. This is a monkfish. 593 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,799 Look at those teeth, their teeth on the lower part, 594 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,489 very sharp teeth up here. 595 00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:07,019 And look at that tail there. 596 00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:08,369 And within a few weeks, 597 00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:10,186 she had put it on her show. 598 00:28:10,187 --> 00:28:11,157 It was in a cookbook. 599 00:28:11,158 --> 00:28:13,231 It was in the "Time" magazine. 600 00:28:13,232 --> 00:28:14,065 [Julia] You wouldn't think 601 00:28:14,066 --> 00:28:15,879 that terrible looking old fish 602 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,513 would produce such nice, beautiful white flesh. 603 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,959 So that was an example of a chef 604 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,549 taking a nontraditional, under-utilized species 605 00:28:26,550 --> 00:28:28,819 that, you know, it's just really great tasting 606 00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:30,873 that we don't do enough with. 607 00:28:30,874 --> 00:28:34,269 If you happen to run into a monkfish one day, 608 00:28:34,270 --> 00:28:37,383 don't scream, invite him home for dinner. 609 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:39,899 How trash fish becomes cash fish, 610 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:41,519 there's a long history of that. 611 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,389 Lobster used to be trash. 612 00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:46,449 Literally, we fertilized fields with it. 613 00:28:46,450 --> 00:28:49,529 Indentured servants by law in Massachusetts 614 00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:50,649 we're not to be fed lobster 615 00:28:50,650 --> 00:28:52,889 more than three times a week. 616 00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:55,802 There's never anything wrong with the product. 617 00:28:55,803 --> 00:28:58,303 It's only something wrong with how we perceive it. 618 00:29:00,530 --> 00:29:01,363 One fish out there 619 00:29:01,364 --> 00:29:04,639 that there's certainly a lot of is dogfish. 620 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,109 It's a shark. Don't be fooled. 621 00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:08,490 It produces fabulous fish and chips 622 00:29:08,491 --> 00:29:10,569 that's highly valued throughout Europe, 623 00:29:10,570 --> 00:29:12,173 UK, Germany, et cetera. 624 00:29:17,344 --> 00:29:18,177 The problem is, of course, 625 00:29:18,178 --> 00:29:19,369 people aren't used to eating dogfish. 626 00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:21,339 It doesn't sound like the fish you'd wanna eat. 627 00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:24,479 The classic example of that is Patagonian toothfish. 628 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,949 Until they called it Chilean sea bass, 629 00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:27,050 nobody was interested. 630 00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:37,739 [Barton] We asked fishermen to catch fish on our behalf. 631 00:29:37,740 --> 00:29:41,139 And yet, when they do, we're not willing to eat 632 00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:43,140 what they actually are able to bring up. 633 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,839 Up in a cod net comes haddock and hake and pollock 634 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,509 and cusk and ling and monk and skate 635 00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:52,899 and wolf and dog and ray and robins and others. 636 00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:56,509 There's a farm in that ocean that you can use. 637 00:29:56,510 --> 00:30:00,953 So why aren't more chefs using any kind of fish? 638 00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:06,139 I'm sorry, I'm bringing a challenge out to anyone. 639 00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:07,309 If you think you're a chef 640 00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:08,765 and you can't cook one of these fishes, 641 00:30:08,766 --> 00:30:10,199 then you'd better come to Gloucester 642 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,327 so we can teach you. 643 00:30:15,891 --> 00:30:20,891 (water splashing) (birds calling) 644 00:30:21,380 --> 00:30:24,459 There is a certain freedom that you have 645 00:30:24,460 --> 00:30:25,759 out here in this ocean. 646 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,110 (soft somber music) 647 00:30:29,111 --> 00:30:32,197 I always thought it was kind of a noble profession, myself. 648 00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:34,989 You were working hard. 649 00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:36,193 You were feeding people. 650 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:39,249 You ran your own outfit. 651 00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:40,763 You were a small businessman. 652 00:30:42,833 --> 00:30:44,416 [Man] Take it up! 653 00:30:45,517 --> 00:30:46,563 Not anymore. 654 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,220 What we see in the farming industry in the '80s 655 00:30:52,221 --> 00:30:54,671 where they put the small farmers out of business, 656 00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:57,650 the whole country has gone that way. 657 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,170 And we're just the last hold out. 658 00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:04,899 And now that the independent fishermen 659 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:07,409 are no longer strong, 660 00:31:07,410 --> 00:31:09,589 we're no longer out here in number, 661 00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:10,954 we've lost our authority 662 00:31:10,955 --> 00:31:14,353 to be the watchdogs of the ocean. 663 00:31:15,580 --> 00:31:17,569 This is the last great source 664 00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:19,863 of wild protein in this world, 665 00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:25,773 America's fisheries from West Coast to East Coast. 666 00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:32,350 A bum like me (laughs) is not as good as a steward 667 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,059 of the environment as, say, a board of directors member 668 00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:38,435 of British Petroleum or Monsanto 669 00:31:38,436 --> 00:31:42,169 or Archer-Midland-Daniels or somebody like that, 670 00:31:42,170 --> 00:31:47,166 you know, Tyson. (laughs) 671 00:31:47,167 --> 00:31:48,303 You know, who am I? 672 00:31:50,931 --> 00:31:51,931 Who am I? 673 00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:58,749 One of the guys in the old market once told me, 674 00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:02,039 he said, "It used to be the wives, 675 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,729 they came to the market. 676 00:32:03,730 --> 00:32:05,019 They said, 'What's good?' 677 00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:06,229 We told them what was good. 678 00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:07,230 They bought it. It was good. 679 00:32:07,230 --> 00:32:08,063 And they liked fish 680 00:32:08,064 --> 00:32:09,189 and that was the way it went. 681 00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:12,539 Now the wives, they go to the supermarket. 682 00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:14,709 The guy who's working fish came over from the deli. 683 00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:17,169 He doesn't know shit about fish. 684 00:32:17,170 --> 00:32:18,879 He tells them to buy something shitty. 685 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,339 She buys it. She cooks it. 686 00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:22,209 It sucks, and the rest of the family 687 00:32:22,210 --> 00:32:23,160 never eats fish again." 688 00:32:23,161 --> 00:32:26,449 So, I mean, that to me is really what happened. 689 00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:28,659 And we eat about 15 pounds 690 00:32:28,660 --> 00:32:30,569 of seafood per person per year. 691 00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:31,949 That's minuscule compared 692 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:33,386 to the land food meats that we eat. 693 00:32:33,387 --> 00:32:35,050 We eat something like 200 pounds 694 00:32:35,051 --> 00:32:37,493 of beef, chicken, pork. 695 00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:39,630 And it's also quite small 696 00:32:39,631 --> 00:32:42,430 compared to the real fish-eating countries of the world. 697 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,540 Seafood's a great protein. 698 00:32:44,541 --> 00:32:47,019 I mean, if you've gotta eat flesh, 699 00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:48,369 you're better off eating the flesh of a fish 700 00:32:48,370 --> 00:32:49,479 than you are pretty much anything 701 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,829 that walks on four legs. 702 00:32:50,830 --> 00:32:52,989 By saying, "Don't eat fish, 703 00:32:52,990 --> 00:32:55,849 it's unsustainable, our oceans are empty," 704 00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:59,609 we've actually scared people away from eating seafood. 705 00:32:59,610 --> 00:33:01,342 And as a public health measure, 706 00:33:01,343 --> 00:33:03,933 that's actually been a great step backwards. 707 00:33:04,820 --> 00:33:06,476 We need to be eating more seafood in this country. 708 00:33:06,477 --> 00:33:08,099 And think about this, 709 00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:09,776 when we go to the grocery store 710 00:33:09,777 --> 00:33:12,079 and we stand in front of this case 711 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,239 and we're so confused by the amount 712 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,309 of environmental information thrown at us, 713 00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:17,939 we say, "Oh my God, well, 714 00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:20,649 I'm just gonna go get some hamburger." 715 00:33:20,650 --> 00:33:22,149 But by many accounts, 716 00:33:22,150 --> 00:33:25,709 the hamburger is the far worse health choice. 717 00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:27,419 And it's far worse for the environment 718 00:33:27,420 --> 00:33:29,089 in terms of the greenhouse gas emissions 719 00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:32,559 associated with it that are causing ocean acidification 720 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,709 that threaten to absolutely destroy 721 00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:37,927 the very foundations of the marine food system. 722 00:33:38,986 --> 00:33:40,769 And one thing that the United States Government 723 00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:43,929 needs to do a better job on is publicizing 724 00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:46,859 what they do to ensure that the fisheries 725 00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:49,309 of the United States of America are fished sustainably. 726 00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:52,469 It is against the law to overfish 727 00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:53,909 in the United States of America. 728 00:33:53,910 --> 00:33:55,879 Overfishing is a funny word 729 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,899 whose meaning has changed over time. 730 00:33:57,900 --> 00:33:59,707 If you asked the average layperson, 731 00:33:59,708 --> 00:34:00,541 "What is overfishing?" 732 00:34:00,542 --> 00:34:01,709 "Well, there's less fish left 733 00:34:01,710 --> 00:34:03,069 because you caught too many." 734 00:34:03,070 --> 00:34:03,986 That's not what it means today. 735 00:34:03,987 --> 00:34:08,986 Technically, overfishing is fishing at a rate harder 736 00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:12,989 than would give you the longterm maximum sustainable yield. 737 00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:15,609 It's a bit of a theoretical concept. 738 00:34:15,610 --> 00:34:16,480 Overfishing means 739 00:34:16,481 --> 00:34:19,779 that we haven't rebuilt the population 740 00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:22,839 to the level that science says it could be rebuilt to, 741 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,139 and we're trying to rebuild stocks. 742 00:34:25,140 --> 00:34:27,359 So we're not decimating fisheries. 743 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,369 These fishermen we have now 744 00:34:29,370 --> 00:34:30,913 want to preserve the ocean. 745 00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:34,419 They care about it all, because it's their livelihood. 746 00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:37,339 They're small, individual businessmen. 747 00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:40,309 I don't think that the US fishermen 748 00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:42,754 get the credit that they should get 749 00:34:42,755 --> 00:34:46,169 for operating under such a stringent system. 750 00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:48,249 So the consumer should feel great 751 00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:51,199 about getting a US-caught piece of fish. 752 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,200 (soft somber music) (chains rattling) 753 00:35:02,410 --> 00:35:03,813 Not far from here, 754 00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:10,510 oh God, it must have been '76 or '77, 755 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,413 98,000 of fish we put aboard of her in 52 hours. 756 00:35:15,850 --> 00:35:17,543 52 hours straight we went. 757 00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:28,510 Our last trip, we worked 10 days, 10 full days. 758 00:35:31,050 --> 00:35:35,543 The three of us, that's three guys, $735 a share. 759 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,520 Yahoo. 760 00:35:42,210 --> 00:35:43,610 Things have changed so much. 761 00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:47,569 This is our log entry we have to do 762 00:35:47,570 --> 00:35:49,809 for the fishery service every day. 763 00:35:49,810 --> 00:35:52,019 And down here, we have the amount of fishes landed 764 00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:55,492 for the day by this boat, 1,500 pounds of dog fish. 765 00:35:55,493 --> 00:35:57,379 They are 20 cents to the boat. 766 00:35:57,380 --> 00:35:59,799 10 pounds of cod fish, 10 pounds of pollock, 767 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,729 two pounds of haddock, four pounds of flounders. 768 00:36:02,730 --> 00:36:06,703 Gross revenue for this boat today, it was $350. 769 00:36:08,830 --> 00:36:11,709 There is a lot of overhead costs when you go fishing. 770 00:36:11,710 --> 00:36:14,199 First, you pay the fuel oil, 771 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,079 which is the biggest bill today. 772 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,409 Then you have to pay for the food, for the ice. 773 00:36:21,410 --> 00:36:24,449 You have to put money aside for pay insurance. 774 00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:26,659 The list goes on and on. 775 00:36:26,660 --> 00:36:27,941 When you look at all this equipment, 776 00:36:27,942 --> 00:36:31,579 I mean, this stuff is all incredibly expensive. 777 00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:33,709 And most of it is being used 778 00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:36,769 in an extremely harsh climate and salt water. 779 00:36:36,770 --> 00:36:39,999 So it means it doesn't last very long. 780 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,489 I have a hydraulic pump that's got a seal gone in it. 781 00:36:44,490 --> 00:36:47,316 It's probably a $1,000 to repair it. 782 00:36:47,317 --> 00:36:50,019 I went to Walmart and bought a bucket for 9.99 783 00:36:50,020 --> 00:36:52,220 and stuck it underneath it to catch the oil. 784 00:36:53,701 --> 00:36:54,620 It's just gonna have to wait. 785 00:36:54,621 --> 00:36:55,770 I don't have the money. 786 00:36:58,557 --> 00:37:01,359 But now we have an extra added expense, 787 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,749 which is the lease. 788 00:37:02,750 --> 00:37:05,039 My allocation at the beginning of the year 789 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,499 was 3,200 pounds of cod fish. 790 00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:08,889 So we went through that pretty quick. 791 00:37:08,890 --> 00:37:10,529 We just went into our savings 792 00:37:10,530 --> 00:37:15,530 and took out $5,300 to lease another 3,200 pounds 793 00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:17,123 so we could stay in business. 794 00:37:18,690 --> 00:37:21,340 Too many fishermen are losing too much money. 795 00:37:21,341 --> 00:37:23,279 We can't keep up with this much longer. 796 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,093 There'll have to be a solution 797 00:37:25,094 --> 00:37:27,644 or your small boat fishing communities will vanish. 798 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,700 I used to think that there was hope. 799 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:37,700 I used to believe that through everyone's good efforts 800 00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:40,969 and good intentions, that we were gonna pull this out. 801 00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:42,420 I don't believe that anymore. 802 00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,519 Two years ago, the Fishery Service Science Center 803 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,149 told us that, in the Northeast region, 804 00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:55,843 all of our fish stocks would be rebuilt, 805 00:37:56,910 --> 00:38:01,013 at the rate that the stock was increasing, by 2014. 806 00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,899 Fishermen and conservation, we were exhilarated 807 00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:06,989 that a population that was so important, 808 00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:10,361 so iconic, was back so quickly. 809 00:38:10,362 --> 00:38:12,699 (soft somber music) 810 00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,119 That exuberance didn't last very long, 811 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,129 because the model was wrong. 812 00:38:18,130 --> 00:38:20,076 Basically overnight, they said, 813 00:38:20,077 --> 00:38:22,049 "Well, you know what? 814 00:38:22,050 --> 00:38:23,929 We just built this new model. 815 00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:26,609 And (laughs) it says that the fish 816 00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:28,439 is about to collapse." 817 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,934 And it kind of left fishermen 818 00:38:29,935 --> 00:38:31,799 in a state of disbelief. 819 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:32,997 Counting fish is a lot more difficult 820 00:38:32,998 --> 00:38:35,119 than counting trees or deer, actually. 821 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,019 You know, they're under water and they move around 822 00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:38,220 and they're hard to see. 823 00:38:39,490 --> 00:38:41,139 The science that's reported 824 00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:43,909 from Woods Hole Science Center, 825 00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:46,569 which comes out of their research boats, 826 00:38:46,570 --> 00:38:49,369 that's our book we live by. 827 00:38:49,370 --> 00:38:52,599 Everything relies on the science. 828 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,869 Therefore, everyone is very critical of the science. 829 00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:57,629 Fishermen are always wondering 830 00:38:57,630 --> 00:38:59,149 how are they using their nets? 831 00:38:59,150 --> 00:39:01,129 What speed are they towing at? 832 00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:03,169 Are they fishing in the right areas? 833 00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:05,409 Do they get a good overall perspective 834 00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:06,860 of what's actually out there? 835 00:39:08,772 --> 00:39:10,909 You have lots of opinions 836 00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:12,329 on what's going on in the water. 837 00:39:12,330 --> 00:39:14,199 You have the fishermen who are out there 838 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,319 who can find the fish and know how to find the fish 839 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,889 and say that they think there are a lot of fish. 840 00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:19,770 You have the scientists 841 00:39:19,771 --> 00:39:22,829 who have their very data-centric approach. 842 00:39:22,830 --> 00:39:26,069 And so, yeah, it can be very adversarial. 843 00:39:26,070 --> 00:39:27,189 It's fair to say there's a fair amount 844 00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:29,859 of scientific debate about what you have 845 00:39:29,860 --> 00:39:32,159 as far as its value for catch advice 846 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,398 after you've adjusted some things. 847 00:39:33,399 --> 00:39:35,289 Is that fair to say? 848 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:37,019 No. No? 849 00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:39,589 The hostility, I guess, between those two camps 850 00:39:39,590 --> 00:39:43,597 that ought to be cooperating is unhealthy. 851 00:39:44,932 --> 00:39:48,629 To counter that, I'm sure that other people 852 00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:51,109 have taken that precise estimate in other years 853 00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:53,049 when they liked the number. 854 00:39:53,050 --> 00:39:54,349 Oh, that's not the point. 855 00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:56,319 Nice editorial, but not the point. 856 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,099 Biomass is low. 857 00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,119 We present a stochastic projection. 858 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,252 You look at the median value. 859 00:40:02,253 --> 00:40:04,119 I mean, I can't give you a number. 860 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,953 No, I understand. 861 00:40:04,954 --> 00:40:07,429 But obviously, there's a fair amount 862 00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:08,446 of uncertainty with the projection, 863 00:40:08,447 --> 00:40:10,614 so it's fair to say, okay. 864 00:40:11,948 --> 00:40:13,137 I don't know. 865 00:40:13,138 --> 00:40:14,899 How do you know? 866 00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:16,712 (man laughs) Well, I would ask. 867 00:40:16,713 --> 00:40:18,339 There's so much mistrust 868 00:40:18,340 --> 00:40:19,569 between the fishing industry 869 00:40:19,570 --> 00:40:22,129 and the National Marine Fishery Service 870 00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:24,279 because of all the polarization 871 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,029 that this cordial relationship 872 00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:28,589 that we enjoyed for decades 873 00:40:28,590 --> 00:40:30,243 has pretty much evaporated. 874 00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:36,589 When you are operating in a system 875 00:40:36,590 --> 00:40:37,799 where everyone understands 876 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,429 that we're all in this together 877 00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:41,669 and that the oceans are a shared resource, 878 00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:43,589 then I think you begin to see examples, 879 00:40:43,590 --> 00:40:45,499 like in Norway or in Iceland, 880 00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:47,692 countries that began to look at regulations 881 00:40:47,693 --> 00:40:51,589 and the communication and collaboration between fishermen 882 00:40:51,590 --> 00:40:54,281 that I think leads to opportunities. 883 00:40:54,282 --> 00:40:56,782 (regal music) 884 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,599 Norway is the second-largest seafood exporter 885 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,916 in the world. 886 00:41:03,917 --> 00:41:06,769 The cod is the most valuable product 887 00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:08,503 from the wild-catch sector. 888 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:12,579 People have been catching cod 889 00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:16,329 and living from cod for thousands and thousands of years. 890 00:41:16,330 --> 00:41:18,349 In Norway, there's a very special legislation 891 00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:22,109 giving the Fishermen's Organization a very strong position. 892 00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:25,169 And we do that by organizing minimum prices 893 00:41:25,170 --> 00:41:28,399 for the fish, securing equal terms of competition, 894 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,999 both for those who sell the fish, 895 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,929 as well as for the fishing industry who buy the fish. 896 00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:36,249 Most of the fishermen is very pleased with this system. 897 00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:37,499 Being a fishermen in Norway today 898 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:40,979 is a well-respected and a very good occupation. 899 00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:42,739 The average fisherman today 900 00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:46,423 who would make more than a $100,000 US a year. 901 00:41:48,110 --> 00:41:50,199 When I was over there, I went to that conference, 902 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,609 and it just seemed that the fishermen themselves 903 00:41:54,610 --> 00:41:57,599 had a lot more respect by the regulators, 904 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,158 by the government that they do over here. 905 00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:02,729 (audience applauds) 906 00:42:02,730 --> 00:42:05,459 In Norway, we have put the collaboration 907 00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:08,343 with fisherman into our sampling routines. 908 00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:13,019 Every day, they do sampling for the scientists 909 00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:15,059 from their catches, 910 00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:18,899 data that goes directly into stock assessment 911 00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:21,049 so that we can come up 912 00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:24,589 with the best possible conclusions. 913 00:42:24,590 --> 00:42:27,109 That's how things like stock assessment should be done. 914 00:42:27,110 --> 00:42:28,979 They should be cooperative ventures, 915 00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:30,930 because we want the answer to be right. 916 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,599 Fishermen inherently are more trusting 917 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,909 of the data that's coming from fishing vessels 918 00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:39,699 that actually gets used in the region 919 00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:42,269 than they are of a big research vessel 920 00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:45,969 that's chockablock full of PhD scientists, 921 00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:48,373 but probably has never got at a fish. 922 00:42:49,850 --> 00:42:52,529 It is important to have also a close cooperation 923 00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:55,086 between scientists, the fishing industry, 924 00:42:55,087 --> 00:42:57,089 and the administrators, 925 00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:59,039 so the fisherman have their say 926 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,213 on how we should structure the various regulation. 927 00:43:04,220 --> 00:43:07,349 We have been able to rebuild the stocks 928 00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:09,043 to a historical level. 929 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,246 Two years ago, we had the total allowable catch 930 00:43:12,247 --> 00:43:15,249 for more than 1 million tons of cod. 931 00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:18,239 That's the highest cod stock we had ever had. 932 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:19,549 There will always be attention, 933 00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:21,969 there will always be different opinions 934 00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:24,169 about what is correct thing to do. 935 00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:27,719 I think, in a way, we understand each other's role 936 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,443 and the need to go forward, yeah. 937 00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:36,639 [Reporter] Government surveys claim cod 938 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,699 is at dangerously low levels in the Gulf of Maine. 939 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:42,569 The goal, a break to allow the species 940 00:43:42,570 --> 00:43:44,429 time to bounce back. 941 00:43:44,430 --> 00:43:46,779 Our reading of the stock assessment science 942 00:43:46,780 --> 00:43:50,289 indicated that some of the populations, including cod, 943 00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:53,539 might be at the point of a commercial collapse 944 00:43:53,540 --> 00:43:58,129 and that the fisheries should be closed. 945 00:43:58,130 --> 00:44:01,379 (soft music) 946 00:44:01,380 --> 00:44:04,739 I talked with some managers from Newfoundland 947 00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:08,299 and they said, "You know, 20 years ago, 948 00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:11,769 our mistake was we let fishermen catch 949 00:44:11,770 --> 00:44:14,697 those last concentrations of cod." 950 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,440 Can we strike a balance that saves cod and saves fishermen, 951 00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:31,220 or is either one of those destined for extinction? 952 00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:33,413 And what if you are wrong? 953 00:44:34,333 --> 00:44:37,683 There's no contingency plan for if you are wrong. 954 00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:40,519 We've been talking about fish. 955 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,679 I wanna talk about humans. 956 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,409 I've seen more fishermen and fisherman's wife 957 00:44:46,410 --> 00:44:49,769 cry on the other side of my desk 958 00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:51,289 than I can remember. 959 00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:53,789 How do we even know that any of these 960 00:44:53,790 --> 00:44:56,839 kinds of closures are gonna work? 961 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,789 I'm opposed to this motion, 962 00:44:58,790 --> 00:45:01,459 because if it is adopted, I'm all done. 963 00:45:01,460 --> 00:45:04,399 I would urge you to reject this motion. 964 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,089 I think it's gross overkill. 965 00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:10,759 From what we heard yesterday and today, 966 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,760 I don't see how we can avoid saying 967 00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:17,909 this is a stock in collapse, 968 00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:21,789 this is an emergency, and action is warranted. 969 00:45:21,790 --> 00:45:25,049 What this will do is eliminate the integral fleet 970 00:45:25,050 --> 00:45:28,059 of Maine, New Hampshire, 971 00:45:28,060 --> 00:45:29,359 and potentially some of the folks 972 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,660 in Northern Massachusetts. 973 00:45:33,020 --> 00:45:35,550 [Man] Motion carries. (gavel banging) 974 00:45:35,551 --> 00:45:38,468 (crowd chattering) 975 00:45:40,869 --> 00:45:42,759 (upbeat inspirational music) 976 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,229 [Announcer] Our day is just beginning 977 00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:46,058 as yours is coming to an end. 978 00:45:46,059 --> 00:45:48,029 We are searching for a new answer 979 00:45:48,030 --> 00:45:49,849 to that nightly question. 980 00:45:49,850 --> 00:45:50,683 Hey, honey, what's for dinner? 981 00:45:50,684 --> 00:45:54,639 ♪ Trust the Gorton's Fisherman ♪ 982 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,549 That advertisement on television, 983 00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:57,949 that big blue trawler 984 00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:59,639 over to the yellow slickers. 985 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,556 I used to have a skipper, he'd say, 986 00:46:01,557 --> 00:46:05,839 "Chief, chief, I never saw that boat around here. 987 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,189 You ever see that guy around here? 988 00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:10,429 Where does he go fishing, anyway?" 989 00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:12,179 Our fish sticks are so delicious, 990 00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:14,279 they'll make your taste buds snap to attention 991 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,961 and say, "Ahoy, matey." 992 00:46:16,962 --> 00:46:19,849 (audience laughs) (audience applauds) 993 00:46:19,850 --> 00:46:21,329 Gorton's is an example of one 994 00:46:21,330 --> 00:46:23,752 of the very large businesses that are in town 995 00:46:23,753 --> 00:46:26,863 that don't buy from local fishermen anymore. 996 00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:28,840 We couldn't supply them, 997 00:46:28,841 --> 00:46:31,599 the kind of volume that they need 998 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,519 and the kind of dependability that they need. 999 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,236 We couldn't do it. 1000 00:46:35,237 --> 00:46:36,070 The Gorton's Fisherman, 1001 00:46:36,071 --> 00:46:39,119 like everything in Gloucester has changed. 1002 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,859 Brokers are watching computer screens 1003 00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:43,459 and they're buying their fish 1004 00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:44,993 wherever the supply is. 1005 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,789 It's advertising. 1006 00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:50,999 They're using the Gloucester Fisherman 1007 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,603 and everything to brand their product. 1008 00:46:53,604 --> 00:46:56,756 (soft upbeat music) 1009 00:46:56,757 --> 00:46:58,849 Gorton's of Gloucester hasn't sold 1010 00:46:58,850 --> 00:47:02,233 Gloucester fish in years, generations. 1011 00:47:03,243 --> 00:47:05,779 (soft dramatic music) 1012 00:47:05,780 --> 00:47:07,459 When you think of seafood, 1013 00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:08,819 I think a lot of Americans think of it 1014 00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:10,059 as the most local food. 1015 00:47:10,060 --> 00:47:12,439 In fact, they'll probably only ever eat it 1016 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,713 when they go for their beach vacation. 1017 00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:18,939 But actually, seafood is like the least local food 1018 00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:20,893 Americans are likely to come across. 1019 00:47:21,820 --> 00:47:24,709 91% of our seafood in any given year 1020 00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:26,733 is coming to us from abroad. 1021 00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:30,120 [Barton] We rarely consider 1022 00:47:30,121 --> 00:47:33,163 where our seafood comes from or even think to ask. 1023 00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:37,189 At present, the United States imports 1024 00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:39,469 more than 6 billion pounds of seafood, 1025 00:47:39,470 --> 00:47:42,443 making it one of the most significant trade imbalances. 1026 00:47:43,390 --> 00:47:45,683 So we're right now involved 1027 00:47:45,684 --> 00:47:48,229 in this ridiculous fish swap. 1028 00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:50,969 We export about 3 billion pounds 1029 00:47:50,970 --> 00:47:53,329 of seafood every single year, 1030 00:47:53,330 --> 00:47:54,429 really excellent seafood, 1031 00:47:54,430 --> 00:47:57,749 black cod and New England sea scallops, wild salmon. 1032 00:47:57,750 --> 00:48:02,109 And in return, we get farmed shrimp, farmed tilapia. 1033 00:48:02,110 --> 00:48:03,929 And why? It's cheap. 1034 00:48:03,930 --> 00:48:06,069 It's easy. It's flavorless. 1035 00:48:06,070 --> 00:48:08,074 And that's what Americans seem to want. 1036 00:48:08,075 --> 00:48:09,796 Fish can be moved anywhere. 1037 00:48:09,797 --> 00:48:13,309 And the cost of moving fish is oftentimes less 1038 00:48:13,310 --> 00:48:14,599 than the cost of catching fish. 1039 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,793 So fish catching goes on where it's cheap. 1040 00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:24,059 [Paul] Almost all of the tilapia is coming from China. 1041 00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:27,509 90% of the shrimp is coming from China, Vietnam, Thailand, 1042 00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:29,429 and then all of the Pangasius catfish 1043 00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:31,763 is coming to us largely from abroad 1044 00:48:31,764 --> 00:48:34,792 In many of the Southeast Asian countries, 1045 00:48:34,793 --> 00:48:36,863 it's a industrial scale aquaculture. 1046 00:48:39,211 --> 00:48:42,579 So these fish are grown in very, very high densities, 1047 00:48:42,580 --> 00:48:44,019 packed in tooth to jowl. 1048 00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:45,409 I've seen these ponds, and it's almost 1049 00:48:45,410 --> 00:48:46,901 like an M.C. Escher painting where like, 1050 00:48:46,902 --> 00:48:49,410 tail in front of head in front of tail in front of head. 1051 00:48:49,411 --> 00:48:52,161 (fish splashing) 1052 00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:56,039 Under this banner of, 1053 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,939 we're gonna create cheap seafood and a lot of it, 1054 00:48:58,940 --> 00:49:01,509 they're taking over coastlines of these countries 1055 00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:03,189 that don't have that many other options, 1056 00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:05,039 and they sell it to them as progress, 1057 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,613 as development, as we're gonna have jobs for you. 1058 00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:12,159 Labor restrictions, labor costs in Asia 1059 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,049 are much lower than they are in the United States, 1060 00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:18,589 plus they don't have nearly the environmental restrictions 1061 00:49:18,590 --> 00:49:20,499 and regulations that we have here. 1062 00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,399 So it allows their fish to hit the market 1063 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,753 in the United States at much lower price levels. 1064 00:49:29,770 --> 00:49:32,229 A lot of the biomass that's taken out of the ocean 1065 00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:35,419 is not caught by mom and pop operators, 1066 00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:37,229 not caught by small-scale operators. 1067 00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:38,429 They're big commercial enterprises 1068 00:49:38,430 --> 00:49:41,419 that are not particularly grounded in a community, 1069 00:49:41,420 --> 00:49:43,259 industries that do not have a lot of men 1070 00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:45,179 who are fourth-generation fishermen, 1071 00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:46,110 industries that are simply 1072 00:49:46,111 --> 00:49:47,599 like many other extractive industries 1073 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,909 around the world that are applying capital 1074 00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:52,390 to make profit for shareholders and then move on. 1075 00:49:58,740 --> 00:50:00,789 There are a lot of third-world people 1076 00:50:00,790 --> 00:50:02,109 who have been very threatened 1077 00:50:02,110 --> 00:50:04,363 by first-world fisheries relocating. 1078 00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:08,369 Foreign fleets have come in with technology, 1079 00:50:08,370 --> 00:50:11,009 the scale of which local people there had never seen. 1080 00:50:11,010 --> 00:50:13,160 And these fleets have vacuumed up the fish. 1081 00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:16,129 Fish don't stand a chance 1082 00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:18,059 against these giant factory trawlers 1083 00:50:18,060 --> 00:50:20,489 that can let out 30 miles of hooks 1084 00:50:20,490 --> 00:50:22,719 or nets that you could swallow up 1085 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,469 an entire football field in, 1086 00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:26,259 the helicopters chasing schools of fish 1087 00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:27,879 above them in the air. 1088 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:28,933 What's a fish to do? 1089 00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:33,303 In a factory trawler, 1090 00:50:34,340 --> 00:50:38,469 their net is a size of 10 jumbo planes. 1091 00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:40,899 Their bycatch, in one haul, 1092 00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:42,823 was what I could catch all year. 1093 00:50:44,590 --> 00:50:46,613 Where do you see the rationality there? 1094 00:50:47,660 --> 00:50:49,219 I would argue that we may be 1095 00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:51,989 actually causing more environmental problems 1096 00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:54,559 of overfishing by importing our fish 1097 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,729 from places that don't regulate their fisheries 1098 00:50:56,730 --> 00:51:01,084 than we would if we fished a little harder in the US. 1099 00:51:01,085 --> 00:51:05,085 (soft dramatic music continues) 1100 00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:13,649 Well, US imports over 90% of the seafood 1101 00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:15,559 that we consume in this country. 1102 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,539 And considering how much seafood is caught here, 1103 00:51:17,540 --> 00:51:19,779 that almost seems unbelievable. 1104 00:51:19,780 --> 00:51:21,609 But most of the seafood that we catch 1105 00:51:21,610 --> 00:51:22,460 goes somewhere else. 1106 00:51:22,461 --> 00:51:24,079 And then, often, it gets re-imported 1107 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,349 back into this country. 1108 00:51:25,350 --> 00:51:27,129 Some of these products that you see 1109 00:51:27,130 --> 00:51:28,813 have enormous carbon footprint. 1110 00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:32,619 I was at a restaurant in Gloucester. 1111 00:51:32,620 --> 00:51:34,529 I asked them a little bit more about the haddock, 1112 00:51:34,530 --> 00:51:36,169 'cause I saw the processing factory 1113 00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:37,379 right across over there. 1114 00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:40,399 And I knew the auction was right down the road. 1115 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,639 And the haddock was actually, it had come, 1116 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,499 fished off the Grand Banks, landed in Gloucester, 1117 00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:49,069 went on a container and went to China, 1118 00:51:49,070 --> 00:51:50,409 came back to Gloucester, 1119 00:51:50,410 --> 00:51:54,209 and was sitting there on my plate in the restaurant 1120 00:51:54,210 --> 00:51:57,427 across the street from almost where it was caught. 1121 00:51:57,428 --> 00:51:59,239 It just seems crazy that here you have 1122 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:00,369 these American fishermen and they go out, 1123 00:52:00,370 --> 00:52:01,203 they catch something, 1124 00:52:01,204 --> 00:52:02,509 and then it's too expensive 1125 00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:03,599 to process it in this country. 1126 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,189 So we ship it halfway across the world. 1127 00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:06,639 It gets processed over there 1128 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,648 and probably treated with something 1129 00:52:07,649 --> 00:52:10,679 that we wouldn't wanna have in our bodies. 1130 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,459 Preservatives are added. 1131 00:52:12,460 --> 00:52:14,829 You may have masked the aging by dipping it 1132 00:52:14,830 --> 00:52:17,149 in some brine or gassing, 1133 00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:19,503 but the flavor, it never lies. 1134 00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:24,919 You get fish sometimes twice and thrice frozen. 1135 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,979 If I bring haddock home and my wife freezes it 1136 00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:29,589 and then we have company down the line 1137 00:52:29,590 --> 00:52:31,189 that we have a haddock dinner or something, 1138 00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:33,429 it's tasty, it's good. 1139 00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:36,419 I'd still rather have it right off the boat. 1140 00:52:36,420 --> 00:52:38,442 But if she thawed it out, refroze it 1141 00:52:38,443 --> 00:52:40,233 and thawed it out again, 1142 00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:43,420 I wouldn't even give it to the dog, myself. 1143 00:52:45,340 --> 00:52:47,609 Of all these billions of pounds of seafood 1144 00:52:47,610 --> 00:52:49,833 that are coming to this country every year, 1145 00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:53,493 not a lot of it gets looked at. 1146 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,309 The trade of meat and poultry and everything else 1147 00:52:57,310 --> 00:52:59,649 is very heavily regulated by the USDA, 1148 00:52:59,650 --> 00:53:03,282 but there is no such organization for fish. 1149 00:53:03,283 --> 00:53:05,629 So USDA is doing their thing with meat and poultry. 1150 00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:06,550 FDA has everything else, 1151 00:53:06,551 --> 00:53:08,659 seafood, vegetables, processed foods. 1152 00:53:08,660 --> 00:53:10,399 They never get above 2% 1153 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,819 in terms of their inspection rates. 1154 00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:14,589 So odds are, if you're sending a shipment of something, 1155 00:53:14,590 --> 00:53:16,633 odds are, it's not gonna get inspected. 1156 00:53:16,634 --> 00:53:19,209 (soft dramatic music) 1157 00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:20,329 Whenever somebody does a study, 1158 00:53:20,330 --> 00:53:22,369 whenever a state does their own testing, 1159 00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:24,709 they find violation after violation after violation, 1160 00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:26,503 especially in aquaculture products. 1161 00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:31,589 The levels of toxicants that have been found 1162 00:53:31,590 --> 00:53:33,869 in the flesh are pretty alarming, 1163 00:53:33,870 --> 00:53:35,599 and including antibiotics. 1164 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,439 Remember, with these animals, you are what you eat. 1165 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,029 If it's just like soaked in antibiotics, 1166 00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:42,830 then you're gonna be consuming that. 1167 00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:48,349 We ourselves published a story on imported shrimp 1168 00:53:48,350 --> 00:53:50,729 where we bought over 200 cases of shrimp 1169 00:53:50,730 --> 00:53:53,849 that were frozen or fresh and tested them 1170 00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:56,239 for a range of antibiotics and other things. 1171 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:59,369 And what we found is, out of those over 200 shrimp, 1172 00:53:59,370 --> 00:54:02,963 we found 11 samples that had antibiotics on them. 1173 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,209 There were cases of where the FDA knew 1174 00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:09,139 certain aquaculture drugs were being used 1175 00:54:09,140 --> 00:54:13,069 in Vietnam that were illegal in the US, 1176 00:54:13,070 --> 00:54:15,959 but they weren't testing any of the imports 1177 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,753 for that particular drug. 1178 00:54:20,410 --> 00:54:22,369 You go to a restaurant and you'll see your tuna, 1179 00:54:22,370 --> 00:54:26,299 and it's perfectly pink all the way through. 1180 00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:28,199 There's no tuna that the meat 1181 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,100 is perfectly pink all the way through. 1182 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,539 There's a process with tuna whereby processors 1183 00:54:35,540 --> 00:54:38,699 put it through a CO gassing program 1184 00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:42,199 that bursts all the blood vessels in the piece of fish 1185 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,109 to allow it to maintain 1186 00:54:45,110 --> 00:54:48,989 this bright watermelon color. 1187 00:54:48,990 --> 00:54:50,869 Why that's a problem is that tuna 1188 00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:52,809 is a histamine producing species, 1189 00:54:52,810 --> 00:54:56,549 and people can die from histamine poisoning. 1190 00:54:56,550 --> 00:54:59,989 Histamines happen when there's temperature abuse. 1191 00:54:59,990 --> 00:55:01,659 Normally, you'd be able to tell that 1192 00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:04,679 because the tuna would show signs of temperature abuse, 1193 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,359 browning on the edges. 1194 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,999 Well, once you've had it gassed, 1195 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,669 it masks all indication. 1196 00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:12,579 So other countries, like Canada, 1197 00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:15,419 have outlawed what we call tailpipe tuna. 1198 00:55:15,420 --> 00:55:16,729 But here in the United States, 1199 00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:18,819 you can buy it at your retailer at a price 1200 00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:23,309 much lower than a fresh piece of tuna. 1201 00:55:23,310 --> 00:55:25,999 When you get that kind of level of uncertainty, 1202 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,099 I don't think Americans would tolerate that 1203 00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:29,669 for any other food product, 1204 00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:31,369 for any other meat product. 1205 00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:33,459 This is not the feeding of the hungry movement. 1206 00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:35,659 This is feeding the restaurant movement 1207 00:55:35,660 --> 00:55:38,783 that wants to sell you a 10.99 a plate of shrimp. 1208 00:55:41,310 --> 00:55:44,309 And I know for a fact that the more they shut us down, 1209 00:55:44,310 --> 00:55:46,610 the more fish are coming from other countries. 1210 00:55:47,947 --> 00:55:52,947 (soft music) (boat engine humming) 1211 00:55:54,901 --> 00:55:55,886 Get down, c'mon. 1212 00:55:55,887 --> 00:55:57,276 C'mon, let's run. (claps) 1213 00:55:57,277 --> 00:55:58,619 c'mon, baby. 1214 00:55:58,620 --> 00:55:59,610 What's happening right now 1215 00:55:59,611 --> 00:56:02,659 is I invested into the industry. 1216 00:56:02,660 --> 00:56:05,329 I elected to stay in the industry 1217 00:56:05,330 --> 00:56:07,069 when Days at Sea came around. 1218 00:56:07,070 --> 00:56:09,209 And my wife and I purchased other permits 1219 00:56:09,210 --> 00:56:10,899 from fellows that were getting out of the business. 1220 00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:11,733 [Reporter] Can you walk him beforehand? 1221 00:56:11,734 --> 00:56:14,759 Absolutely the calm before the storm. 1222 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,746 Right now, I owe a bank here in the region 1223 00:56:19,747 --> 00:56:24,209 $400,000 on permits that are worthless 1224 00:56:24,210 --> 00:56:28,045 because the Fishery Service changed their plan. 1225 00:56:28,046 --> 00:56:32,549 (wind howling) (TV playing indistinctly) 1226 00:56:32,550 --> 00:56:34,993 I'm paying $5,000 a month to the bank, 1227 00:56:38,180 --> 00:56:43,180 and there's no money coming in. 1228 00:56:47,610 --> 00:56:49,769 I'd like to think there was. 1229 00:56:49,770 --> 00:56:52,609 But as John Bullard said, "Too bad. 1230 00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:54,799 It's no different than being a factory worker. 1231 00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,307 Go find another job." 1232 00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:58,970 It's all I've ever done. 1233 00:57:01,616 --> 00:57:04,616 (soft somber music) 1234 00:57:06,264 --> 00:57:08,847 (wind howling) 1235 00:57:16,068 --> 00:57:18,818 (snow pattering) 1236 00:57:21,210 --> 00:57:23,599 And everybody that's risk their life 1237 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,109 to feed this country fresh fish 1238 00:57:26,110 --> 00:57:27,923 is being tortured right now. 1239 00:57:33,140 --> 00:57:35,629 I had the opportunity to sell the entire business, 1240 00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:38,390 boats and permits, almost three years ago 1241 00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:40,833 for over 3 million bucks. 1242 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,829 And I didn't, I can't put these guys out on the street. 1243 00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:47,863 I'm not like that. 1244 00:57:49,084 --> 00:57:52,203 (metal scraping) 1245 00:57:52,204 --> 00:57:53,569 You know, what am I gonna do, 1246 00:57:53,570 --> 00:57:54,969 take the money and run, 1247 00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:56,509 let everybody starve to death? 1248 00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:57,510 I can't. 1249 00:57:58,530 --> 00:58:01,739 We're gonna downsize the house a few years early, 1250 00:58:01,740 --> 00:58:03,989 but we'll do it, no big deal. 1251 00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:06,310 You do what you have to do. 1252 00:58:07,653 --> 00:58:11,486 (soft somber music continues) 1253 00:58:14,075 --> 00:58:16,742 (clock ticking) 1254 00:58:17,616 --> 00:58:20,019 (birds calling) 1255 00:58:20,020 --> 00:58:22,849 [Frank] We're cleaning her up, chipping, painting, 1256 00:58:22,850 --> 00:58:25,479 adding some steel, as, you know, 1257 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,709 she's got some time onto her. 1258 00:58:27,710 --> 00:58:30,199 (sander whirring) 1259 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,329 We've lost everything. We've lost our market. 1260 00:58:32,330 --> 00:58:36,099 We've lost opportunity. Our investments are no good. 1261 00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:37,833 This boat isn't worth a damn. 1262 00:58:38,810 --> 00:58:41,385 I can't sell it, even if I want to. 1263 00:58:41,386 --> 00:58:44,553 (paintbrush scraping) 1264 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,230 It's a catch 22. 1265 00:58:47,231 --> 00:58:50,394 You can't stay in, yet you can't get out. 1266 00:58:50,395 --> 00:58:53,812 (welding torch crackles) 1267 00:58:57,710 --> 00:59:01,669 Our port infrastructures, our machine shops, 1268 00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:04,079 our oil facilities, our ice facilities, 1269 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,899 all the ancillary businesses, 1270 00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:10,359 our supply businesses, have gone into demise as well. 1271 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,021 The City of Gloucester has been ruined. 1272 00:59:14,022 --> 00:59:17,855 (soft somber music continues) 1273 00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:22,989 They've opened up the door. 1274 00:59:22,990 --> 00:59:24,479 Not just cracked it open, 1275 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,569 they've opened up the door. 1276 00:59:26,570 --> 00:59:28,509 We're gonna lose more people 1277 00:59:28,510 --> 00:59:30,469 in the industry, more boats. 1278 00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:32,939 And once they start building condominiums 1279 00:59:32,940 --> 00:59:35,699 and hotels in the waterfront, 1280 00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:37,800 the fishing boats are not gonna come back. 1281 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,543 I used to say that we could feed the world. 1282 00:59:43,810 --> 00:59:46,269 Then I used to say we could feed the United States. 1283 00:59:46,270 --> 00:59:49,403 And now I'm just saying just let us feed Massachusetts. 1284 00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:55,096 In a few years, the only thing we're gonna have 1285 00:59:55,097 --> 00:59:57,609 are these oars with the name of the boats 1286 00:59:57,610 --> 00:59:58,733 that they are no more. 1287 01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:02,887 In silence, I was saying that to myself. 1288 01:00:04,753 --> 01:00:06,479 It's gonna go corporate. 1289 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,280 That's where all of this is leading. 1290 01:00:09,702 --> 01:00:12,352 And that'll be the end of a great and long tradition. 1291 01:00:14,980 --> 01:00:16,889 Fishermen are absolutely right 1292 01:00:16,890 --> 01:00:20,279 to feel as though they have been targeted, 1293 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:21,430 because they have been. 1294 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,139 The fishermen who are struggling to make ends meet, 1295 01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:27,269 whose quotas are constantly being slashed, 1296 01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:30,119 who are being given very different information 1297 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,413 from different sources and who are largely being vilified, 1298 01:00:34,340 --> 01:00:36,359 they feel under attack. 1299 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:37,360 And rightly so. 1300 01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:44,099 Everyone in this discussion has equal interest. 1301 01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:46,389 Everyone wants to sustain jobs. 1302 01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:48,789 Everyone wants to have dinner on the table. 1303 01:00:48,790 --> 01:00:51,563 Everyone wants resilient ecosystems. 1304 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,359 But it's that lack of understanding 1305 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,949 that we're all in this together 1306 01:00:55,950 --> 01:00:57,500 that I think is so detrimental. 1307 01:00:59,710 --> 01:01:03,173 If there are no fishermen, there's no seafood. 1308 01:01:04,956 --> 01:01:07,329 And, ultimately, we're trying to sustain the ocean 1309 01:01:07,330 --> 01:01:09,623 so that we may sustain ourselves. 1310 01:01:13,547 --> 01:01:17,380 (soft somber music continues) 1311 01:01:22,284 --> 01:01:24,689 (soft upbeat music) 1312 01:01:24,690 --> 01:01:27,179 I had grown up on same-day sourced seafood, 1313 01:01:27,180 --> 01:01:30,359 and I knew what really fresh seafood tasted like. 1314 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,329 I was traveling through Spain 1315 01:01:32,330 --> 01:01:34,109 and I saw bass fishermen coming up 1316 01:01:34,110 --> 01:01:36,166 with their wicker baskets filled with ice and fish, 1317 01:01:36,167 --> 01:01:37,909 and they were going right into the restaurants 1318 01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:38,910 in the harbor. 1319 01:01:41,950 --> 01:01:44,399 Moments later, the waiters were coming out 1320 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:45,999 and changing the menu board. 1321 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,159 And what we just saw go in the wicker basket 1322 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,960 was what was on the menu that night. 1323 01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:57,806 And that was kind of the light bulb. 1324 01:01:57,807 --> 01:01:58,959 I had an epiphany there. 1325 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,729 I was like, "Why can't we do that at home? 1326 01:02:01,730 --> 01:02:03,527 We should have this at home." 1327 01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:07,943 Voila, suddenly, Dock to Dish was born. 1328 01:02:12,970 --> 01:02:14,199 [Sarah] Dock to Dish operates 1329 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,519 as a restaurant-supported fishery, 1330 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,129 which is a membership-based program. 1331 01:02:20,130 --> 01:02:23,059 Instead of a chef walking into a fish market 1332 01:02:23,060 --> 01:02:24,589 and saying, "This is what I want, 1333 01:02:24,590 --> 01:02:26,529 this is what's on my menu," 1334 01:02:26,530 --> 01:02:28,189 we're now switching it to, 1335 01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:30,129 the fisherman comes into the harbor, 1336 01:02:30,130 --> 01:02:33,329 and whatever comes in within that 24-hour period 1337 01:02:33,330 --> 01:02:34,980 gets delivered to the restaurant. 1338 01:02:40,110 --> 01:02:42,509 It was the community-supported agriculture movement, 1339 01:02:42,510 --> 01:02:45,279 it was the CSAs that you saw in the local farms here 1340 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,680 is where I really was able to see the blueprint. 1341 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,132 They blazed a trail for us to follow, 1342 01:02:52,133 --> 01:02:54,149 and so now, fisheries and seafood, 1343 01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:55,779 we're just following what the farmers 1344 01:02:55,780 --> 01:02:57,980 and the chefs have done already on the land. 1345 01:02:59,700 --> 01:03:02,929 Our whole premise is built on transparency, 1346 01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:04,499 a know-your-fishermen culture. 1347 01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:06,579 You really should be entitled 1348 01:03:06,580 --> 01:03:08,273 to know who caught your seafood. 1349 01:03:10,290 --> 01:03:11,165 Hey, Jeff. 1350 01:03:11,166 --> 01:03:12,409 (Jeff speaks faintly) 1351 01:03:12,410 --> 01:03:13,410 Yeah. 1352 01:03:17,064 --> 01:03:22,064 (laughs) That is awesome. (woman laughs) 1353 01:03:22,190 --> 01:03:26,309 So these are warty California sea cucumbers. 1354 01:03:26,310 --> 01:03:27,887 I'm gonna buy some from you. 1355 01:03:29,361 --> 01:03:31,049 4.50 a pound. [Jeff] Yeah. 1356 01:03:31,050 --> 01:03:33,020 [Sarah] Well, then I can take 50 pounds. 1357 01:03:33,021 --> 01:03:34,899 (laughs) Smile. 1358 01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:35,733 I'm smiling. 1359 01:03:35,734 --> 01:03:38,199 [Sarah] (laughs) He's like, "I'm smiling. 1360 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:39,217 What do you want?" 1361 01:03:42,590 --> 01:03:45,909 This demand-based system is not sustainable. 1362 01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:47,210 We've already proven that. 1363 01:03:48,590 --> 01:03:52,909 We're really changing the conversation around fish, 1364 01:03:52,910 --> 01:03:56,601 actively making it a more sustainable endeavor. 1365 01:03:56,602 --> 01:03:58,143 It's always the way, right? 1366 01:03:59,370 --> 01:04:01,279 We get to write that check right there 1367 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,119 on the docks to the fishermen. 1368 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,419 So where are these fish going? 1369 01:04:04,420 --> 01:04:06,829 They're gonna Providence in LA 1370 01:04:06,830 --> 01:04:09,989 with one of the best seafood restaurants out there. 1371 01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:13,509 They can go out when the weather is good. 1372 01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:17,269 They know they have a paycheck waiting for them on the dock. 1373 01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:18,499 That would be awesome. 1374 01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:20,486 And as soon as those urchins are good, let me know. 1375 01:04:20,487 --> 01:04:21,457 Yeah, I will. 1376 01:04:21,458 --> 01:04:24,057 [Sarah] That's not something that they're used to. 1377 01:04:25,493 --> 01:04:27,279 If you're an American fisherman 1378 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,139 following American laws, 1379 01:04:29,140 --> 01:04:30,859 you're a sustainable fishery. 1380 01:04:30,860 --> 01:04:32,309 We firmly believe that, like, 1381 01:04:32,310 --> 01:04:33,929 if there's something unsustainable 1382 01:04:33,930 --> 01:04:34,763 about what you're doing, 1383 01:04:34,764 --> 01:04:37,047 NOAA is gonna be the first one to eliminate you. 1384 01:04:41,059 --> 01:04:42,969 What we need to move towards 1385 01:04:42,970 --> 01:04:44,969 and what I hope that this program 1386 01:04:44,970 --> 01:04:46,779 is helping to demonstrate 1387 01:04:46,780 --> 01:04:49,183 is a more supply-driven network. 1388 01:04:53,857 --> 01:04:56,857 (crickets chirping) 1389 01:05:01,622 --> 01:05:02,622 C'mon. 1390 01:05:03,964 --> 01:05:07,047 (truck engine roars) 1391 01:05:08,050 --> 01:05:10,099 Really, you have to start somewhere. 1392 01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:13,213 And right now where we're starting is at the top. 1393 01:05:14,223 --> 01:05:16,640 (soft music) 1394 01:05:25,230 --> 01:05:26,230 Hi! 1395 01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,269 So what do you have for us today? 1396 01:05:30,270 --> 01:05:32,494 The meat is really orange. 1397 01:05:32,495 --> 01:05:35,819 It's got these crazy black lines on it. 1398 01:05:35,820 --> 01:05:37,019 It's really beautiful. 1399 01:05:37,020 --> 01:05:39,741 That's usually bycatch, so that's really exciting. 1400 01:05:39,742 --> 01:05:42,232 [Niki] Let's get to it. [Sarah] Yeah. 1401 01:05:42,233 --> 01:05:44,129 I've been looking for so long 1402 01:05:44,130 --> 01:05:46,779 to find fish that are from California, 1403 01:05:46,780 --> 01:05:50,089 and it's been very hard to source these ingredients 1404 01:05:50,090 --> 01:05:52,086 because a lot of the fish that are caught 1405 01:05:52,087 --> 01:05:55,989 don't end up in the markets that are available to us. 1406 01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:58,433 The meat is so fresh, Sarah. 1407 01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:03,109 Yes, 'cause it's just really firm, 1408 01:06:03,110 --> 01:06:05,432 really clean, really shiny. 1409 01:06:05,433 --> 01:06:08,433 (soft upbeat music) 1410 01:06:14,913 --> 01:06:16,049 It's good. 1411 01:06:16,050 --> 01:06:18,449 We have a mantra that define our cooking, 1412 01:06:18,450 --> 01:06:20,700 and we say the fish is the star of the plate. 1413 01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:24,323 We are looking for the best ingredients possible. 1414 01:06:25,405 --> 01:06:28,679 If you give someone wild fish, for instance, 1415 01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,733 and you give him again what he was buying before, 1416 01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,669 I'm sure all the consumer will know the difference. 1417 01:06:36,670 --> 01:06:38,320 I think it's all about education. 1418 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,349 So we've got two beautiful yellows. 1419 01:06:41,350 --> 01:06:42,663 That's nice. 1420 01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:49,220 Wow. This will be an adventure. 1421 01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:51,019 All sorts of people walk into this restaurant 1422 01:06:51,020 --> 01:06:52,309 and say, "Well, I don't eat uni." 1423 01:06:52,310 --> 01:06:55,719 But yet, I talk to people all the time here 1424 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,199 that say that they tried uni 1425 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,119 for the first time here and loved it. 1426 01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,729 So I think there's always that possibility 1427 01:07:01,730 --> 01:07:02,939 that you can turn people on 1428 01:07:02,940 --> 01:07:04,609 to something they've never had before 1429 01:07:04,610 --> 01:07:05,810 and please them with it. 1430 01:07:06,910 --> 01:07:10,123 I spent a lot of time around fishermen as a kid. 1431 01:07:11,790 --> 01:07:14,329 I feel a certain responsibility, I think, 1432 01:07:14,330 --> 01:07:16,799 to try and really highlight American seafood, 1433 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,123 wild American seafood. 1434 01:07:19,020 --> 01:07:21,069 To my mind, the less American fishermen 1435 01:07:21,070 --> 01:07:22,499 that are contemplating selling their boats 1436 01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:24,900 and giving it all up, the better off we all are. 1437 01:07:26,435 --> 01:07:28,949 When we look for chefs, we are really looking 1438 01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:32,639 for people who embrace the whole animal. 1439 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,899 It's not just the filet that people are getting. 1440 01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:36,749 They're getting a bouillabaisse sauce 1441 01:07:36,750 --> 01:07:39,227 made out of the head and the tail 1442 01:07:39,228 --> 01:07:42,219 or a sauce thickened by the eyes 1443 01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:45,109 or the cheeks themselves. 1444 01:07:45,110 --> 01:07:46,510 It's not just about utilizing all the fish, 1445 01:07:46,511 --> 01:07:48,819 it's about really creating a cuisine around the whole fish 1446 01:07:48,820 --> 01:07:51,783 and a culture around the whole fish. 1447 01:07:53,020 --> 01:07:53,853 Here we go. 1448 01:07:53,854 --> 01:07:56,699 Mackerel Español, Jose. España. 1449 01:07:56,700 --> 01:07:59,435 These are actually from the Beckwith brothers in Montauk. 1450 01:07:59,436 --> 01:08:01,029 If you're bringing fish to Dan Barber, 1451 01:08:01,030 --> 01:08:03,240 you better let him know who caught it. 1452 01:08:03,241 --> 01:08:05,779 Okay, they're going on the menu tonight. 1453 01:08:05,780 --> 01:08:09,279 How do we create delicious dishes 1454 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,423 out of the fish that you normally wouldn't use? 1455 01:08:14,049 --> 01:08:15,981 A great example is bouillabaisse. 1456 01:08:15,982 --> 01:08:17,739 Fishermen arrived to the docks, 1457 01:08:17,740 --> 01:08:19,769 and the wives took out all the damaged fish 1458 01:08:19,770 --> 01:08:22,119 and all the fish that were in the nets that wouldn't sell. 1459 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,163 And they made this beautiful stew. 1460 01:08:24,164 --> 01:08:26,609 It ends up becoming an iconic dish 1461 01:08:26,610 --> 01:08:27,839 that becomes what it means 1462 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,783 to be French by the seashore. 1463 01:08:30,770 --> 01:08:33,261 The barrier for a lot of the underutilized species 1464 01:08:33,262 --> 01:08:35,369 was that people just weren't familiar with them. 1465 01:08:35,370 --> 01:08:36,599 They didn't know how to cook them. 1466 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,669 The chefs have removed that ceiling. 1467 01:08:38,670 --> 01:08:39,739 Now they're cool. 1468 01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:42,059 We have a lot of questions from regulars. 1469 01:08:42,060 --> 01:08:45,389 And a lot of people who are consider foodies 1470 01:08:45,390 --> 01:08:47,709 are very interested knowing 1471 01:08:47,710 --> 01:08:50,180 that the fish is sustainable 1472 01:08:51,020 --> 01:08:55,299 and we are helping the fishermen to have a job 1473 01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:58,440 and be financially sustainable as well. 1474 01:08:59,700 --> 01:09:02,499 We tend to associate deliciousness 1475 01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:05,199 and enjoyment of food with some kind of gluttony, 1476 01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,399 some kind of negative impact on the environment 1477 01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:08,839 when actually, the opposite is true 1478 01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,613 if it's done with intelligent design. 1479 01:09:13,210 --> 01:09:14,709 You as an eater don't have a choice 1480 01:09:14,710 --> 01:09:15,909 if this is what you're being handed. 1481 01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:18,579 And as long as there's culinary craft involved 1482 01:09:18,580 --> 01:09:21,349 and it's a key component, gluttony is good 1483 01:09:21,350 --> 01:09:24,269 in the pursuit of this kind of balance. 1484 01:09:24,270 --> 01:09:25,770 The choices that we make here 1485 01:09:25,771 --> 01:09:28,529 hopefully will inspire the people that come here 1486 01:09:28,530 --> 01:09:30,199 to go and make similar choices 1487 01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,159 when they go out to purchase seafood, 1488 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,099 you know, in the retail setting. 1489 01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:37,239 I feel like it's a collective awakening. 1490 01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,719 We are at a crossroad. 1491 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,399 We are, and it's not too late to change things. 1492 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,059 I do believe that, you know, ultimately, 1493 01:09:45,060 --> 01:09:46,729 these ideas end up trickling down. 1494 01:09:46,730 --> 01:09:48,097 It just takes awhile. 1495 01:09:48,098 --> 01:09:50,151 (class bell rings) 1496 01:09:50,152 --> 01:09:53,319 (students chattering) 1497 01:09:54,450 --> 01:09:56,389 Finding fish that was caught locally, 1498 01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:58,979 processed locally, and then delivered to us 1499 01:09:58,980 --> 01:10:00,712 was almost impossible at a price point 1500 01:10:00,713 --> 01:10:03,809 that we could deal with in a public school. 1501 01:10:03,810 --> 01:10:06,413 New Hampshire Community Seafood made it possible. 1502 01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:08,879 [Spencer] Hey there, chef. 1503 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:09,713 Hey, how are ya? 1504 01:10:09,714 --> 01:10:11,239 We've got some locally caught 1505 01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,759 and processed Acadian redfish for you, yeah. 1506 01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:16,760 Very nice. 1507 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,839 Some herbs, breadcrumbs, and a little butter, 1508 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:20,969 some fresh lemon juice. 1509 01:10:20,970 --> 01:10:23,170 Nice and simple, and it's fresh. It works. 1510 01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,299 This fish was caught by New Hampshire fishermen, 1511 01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:28,679 as well as processed in New Hampshire. 1512 01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,309 And we're bringing it to the schools today 1513 01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:32,279 through New Hampshire Farm to School. 1514 01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,719 And we're building a new layer 1515 01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,769 of access for young high school students, 1516 01:10:35,770 --> 01:10:37,169 elementary and middle as well, 1517 01:10:37,170 --> 01:10:39,183 to eat locally caught seafood. 1518 01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:41,889 There's a study that says that kids 1519 01:10:41,890 --> 01:10:44,909 eat 2/3 of what they eat in a day at school. 1520 01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:47,529 So we have a bigger impact 1521 01:10:47,530 --> 01:10:48,363 on what they're eating now 1522 01:10:48,364 --> 01:10:49,939 and what they're eating in the future 1523 01:10:49,940 --> 01:10:51,790 than I think a lot of people realize. 1524 01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:55,492 So we're here to show you the fish 1525 01:10:55,493 --> 01:10:58,359 that you guys will be eating today, super fresh. 1526 01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,668 You can eat the eyes, actually. (laughs) 1527 01:11:02,669 --> 01:11:05,752 (soft upbeat music) 1528 01:11:07,373 --> 01:11:09,339 do you guys like it? I mean what's. 1529 01:11:09,340 --> 01:11:10,739 Yeah, it's pretty good. 1530 01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:11,658 [Spencer] Well, you already ate it. 1531 01:11:11,659 --> 01:11:13,903 It's all gone. Yeah, it's gone. It's gone. 1532 01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:17,029 Yeah, so there's the filet. 1533 01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:19,299 Just about a little angle, but nice. 1534 01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:22,129 That was a good first cut, I'd say. 1535 01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:24,294 I would, if the school continued to do this, 1536 01:11:24,295 --> 01:11:26,899 'cause most people don't eat fish 1537 01:11:26,900 --> 01:11:29,219 in their daily routines. 1538 01:11:29,220 --> 01:11:30,789 They don't understand that there 1539 01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:33,439 are many different types of fish that you can eat. 1540 01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:34,539 I mean, I'm a fishermen daughter, 1541 01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:35,629 so I'm used to fish 1542 01:11:35,630 --> 01:11:38,099 that's no more than six or eight hours old. 1543 01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:41,089 So I was pleasantly surprised when I came in here 1544 01:11:41,090 --> 01:11:43,219 and the room didn't smell like fish, 1545 01:11:43,220 --> 01:11:44,799 which it's not supposed to, 1546 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,550 and it actually tasted really good. 1547 01:11:48,420 --> 01:11:50,332 One of the ways that we can get fish here 1548 01:11:50,333 --> 01:11:52,579 at the right price is if we order 1549 01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:54,529 500 pounds at a time and have it split up 1550 01:11:54,530 --> 01:11:56,633 between all the different districts. 1551 01:11:58,130 --> 01:11:59,689 We're not looking for things like cod 1552 01:11:59,690 --> 01:12:01,209 and halibut and salmon 1553 01:12:01,210 --> 01:12:02,359 and things that we can't afford, 1554 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,219 but we can do a lot with pollock 1555 01:12:04,220 --> 01:12:06,653 and hake and dogfish. 1556 01:12:07,660 --> 01:12:08,989 We really just wanna promote 1557 01:12:08,990 --> 01:12:10,639 like a bio-diverse plate. 1558 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,419 So yeah, redfish today. 1559 01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:13,819 Maybe who knows, next month, 1560 01:12:13,820 --> 01:12:15,070 you guys will do dogfish. 1561 01:12:16,340 --> 01:12:19,090 (student laughs) 1562 01:12:24,190 --> 01:12:25,795 Thank you for that question. 1563 01:12:25,796 --> 01:12:26,929 I think it's very important 1564 01:12:26,930 --> 01:12:28,769 from a public health perspective 1565 01:12:28,770 --> 01:12:31,239 that we acknowledge that access 1566 01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,709 to sustainable, healthy protein, 1567 01:12:33,710 --> 01:12:37,419 healthy seafood, is imperative in American society. 1568 01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:39,049 Further, the average age of fishermen 1569 01:12:39,050 --> 01:12:41,029 in this country is growing. 1570 01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:43,239 And few participants are joining their ranks. 1571 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,779 A lack of jobs and prosperity in wild fisheries 1572 01:12:46,780 --> 01:12:48,629 has led young people in coastal communities 1573 01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:50,553 to look for work elsewhere. 1574 01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:54,359 Aquaculture could provide that missing opportunity 1575 01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,589 in an exciting and innovative new industry. 1576 01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:59,499 And this is already happening 1577 01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:00,909 where sons and daughters of fishermen 1578 01:13:00,910 --> 01:13:02,309 are operating dozens of oyster, 1579 01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:03,463 mussel, seaweed farms. 1580 01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,483 (soft upbeat music) 1581 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,069 I'm a shellfish farmer in Wellfleet. 1582 01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:13,953 This is not an instant gratification type of job. 1583 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,813 You have to have a little patience. 1584 01:13:17,917 --> 01:13:21,259 I mean, a hard shell clam takes typically 1585 01:13:21,260 --> 01:13:25,573 24 to 36 months for a harvest. 1586 01:13:27,889 --> 01:13:30,299 Aquaculture is gaining traction. 1587 01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:33,469 Oysters have really come into vogue lately. 1588 01:13:33,470 --> 01:13:34,933 And that's great, because it's shedding light 1589 01:13:34,934 --> 01:13:38,229 on a conversation that is more 1590 01:13:38,230 --> 01:13:40,363 than just how good is this oyster. 1591 01:13:41,900 --> 01:13:43,636 I get more and more inquiries about, 1592 01:13:43,637 --> 01:13:45,339 "Hey, can I get out to the flats 1593 01:13:45,340 --> 01:13:46,792 and see actually where these are from?" 1594 01:13:46,793 --> 01:13:47,833 I say, "Sure. 1595 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:49,830 Let's go take a walk out there, 1596 01:13:49,831 --> 01:13:52,439 and we'll show you exactly where they're from." 1597 01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:54,049 People are doing a good job. 1598 01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:56,323 And I think the better job they do, 1599 01:13:57,500 --> 01:13:59,509 the better it is for the business 1600 01:13:59,510 --> 01:14:02,083 and the economy in town here. 1601 01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:07,099 [Alex] Not only does it provide a sustainable resource, 1602 01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:09,539 it employs local people, 1603 01:14:09,540 --> 01:14:11,329 and it's also completely beneficial 1604 01:14:11,330 --> 01:14:13,080 to the health of the harbor itself. 1605 01:14:14,210 --> 01:14:17,023 Clams, oysters, mussels, seaweed, 1606 01:14:17,024 --> 01:14:19,489 these are all things that remove nitrogen 1607 01:14:19,490 --> 01:14:22,239 from the environment, prevent dead zones, 1608 01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:23,393 that actually clean the water 1609 01:14:23,394 --> 01:14:25,169 and actually provide habitat 1610 01:14:25,170 --> 01:14:27,270 for a lot of the fish that we like to eat. 1611 01:14:32,707 --> 01:14:35,179 So I cannot stress enough how much aquaculture 1612 01:14:35,180 --> 01:14:39,609 must co-exist in parallel with our wild fisheries, 1613 01:14:39,610 --> 01:14:41,409 as they will augment each other 1614 01:14:41,410 --> 01:14:43,839 and ultimately raise the profile and value 1615 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,490 of each of each other's products. 1616 01:14:48,533 --> 01:14:53,489 (soft music) (waves splashing) 1617 01:14:53,490 --> 01:14:54,639 We have to be serious. 1618 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,799 We cannot speak from all sides of our mouth. 1619 01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,769 If for conservation we're trying to do, 1620 01:14:59,770 --> 01:15:01,773 then let's stick to the conservation. 1621 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,379 125 pound of red fish filet. 1622 01:15:08,380 --> 01:15:10,329 Every year in Boston at this time a year, 1623 01:15:10,330 --> 01:15:12,839 there's the Boston Seafood Expo, 1624 01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,529 and all the whole world comes to it. 1625 01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:18,309 People are trying to sell fish 1626 01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:20,487 and people are coming to buy fish. 1627 01:15:20,488 --> 01:15:22,559 (Angela speaks in Italian) 1628 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:27,089 We are promoting the Gloucester fishing industry. 1629 01:15:27,090 --> 01:15:29,415 We are doing the redfish soup. 1630 01:15:29,416 --> 01:15:31,609 Redfishes right now is one of those fish 1631 01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:32,939 that there is abundance. 1632 01:15:32,940 --> 01:15:34,719 It's very sustainable. 1633 01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:35,869 It's a beautiful fish. 1634 01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:37,463 It's beautiful to look at it. 1635 01:15:38,930 --> 01:15:40,969 Already my eyes are killing me. 1636 01:15:40,970 --> 01:15:43,266 Yeah, we'll put more celery and onions in there. 1637 01:15:43,267 --> 01:15:45,213 Too many carrots. I'm coming. 1638 01:15:46,820 --> 01:15:49,849 My eyes are already killing me with the onions. 1639 01:15:49,850 --> 01:15:52,729 Jason, if you see that it's a little watery, 1640 01:15:52,730 --> 01:15:56,829 then keep the cover this way so it steams out. 1641 01:15:56,830 --> 01:15:58,580 There's gonna be fish in the ocean, 1642 01:15:59,610 --> 01:16:01,260 and somebody is gonna catch them. 1643 01:16:02,234 --> 01:16:07,234 And if the small family-owned boat doesn't exist anymore 1644 01:16:07,410 --> 01:16:09,559 because they're getting wiped out 1645 01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,203 and because our boats are old, 1646 01:16:12,530 --> 01:16:13,530 who's gonna fish? 1647 01:16:14,770 --> 01:16:15,793 Factory trawlers. 1648 01:16:17,650 --> 01:16:18,483 Would you like to taste 1649 01:16:18,484 --> 01:16:20,029 some redfish soup? [Man] Yes, please. 1650 01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:21,939 Well, this came in yesterday 1651 01:16:21,940 --> 01:16:23,859 on the boats in Gloucester. 1652 01:16:23,860 --> 01:16:26,249 This is a very old tradition fish. 1653 01:16:26,250 --> 01:16:28,529 The redfish was the fish 1654 01:16:28,530 --> 01:16:30,199 that fed the American armed force 1655 01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:31,289 during World War II. 1656 01:16:31,290 --> 01:16:32,859 Do you get redfish all year long? 1657 01:16:32,860 --> 01:16:35,799 Yes, our boats can get redfish all year long. 1658 01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,479 So we're hoping to increase the requests for them 1659 01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:43,309 so we can keep our fishermen fishing. 1660 01:16:43,310 --> 01:16:45,809 Unfortunately, we don't have any containers 1661 01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:48,103 for take-home. (laughs) 1662 01:16:49,260 --> 01:16:50,949 If we don't do that, believe me, 1663 01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:54,339 there will be condominiums and hotels and restaurant 1664 01:16:54,340 --> 01:16:57,419 and T-shirts and taffy in the Gloucester waterfront. 1665 01:16:57,420 --> 01:16:58,950 There will be. 1666 01:16:58,951 --> 01:17:01,618 (water rushing) 1667 01:17:06,990 --> 01:17:08,829 When things started dwindling, we cut back. 1668 01:17:08,830 --> 01:17:10,669 We cut back on gear. 1669 01:17:10,670 --> 01:17:13,679 We cut back on maintenance to the boats. 1670 01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,309 We had to sell three boats 1671 01:17:15,310 --> 01:17:18,309 at probably way below fair market value 1672 01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:19,359 just to get rid of them, 1673 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:20,419 'cause we couldn't pay the insurance, 1674 01:17:20,420 --> 01:17:21,820 we couldn't pay the dockage. 1675 01:17:23,020 --> 01:17:25,869 So we went from a good, vibrant business, 1676 01:17:25,870 --> 01:17:28,900 everybody very happy, to basically 1677 01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:32,744 working on a thread right now. 1678 01:17:32,745 --> 01:17:35,828 (soft somber music) 1679 01:17:36,833 --> 01:17:38,079 For the captains and owners 1680 01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,429 that are staying in this business, 1681 01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:43,323 it takes change, a lot of change. 1682 01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,473 It's time, perseverance. 1683 01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:51,779 Brian, my great-nephew and I, 1684 01:17:51,780 --> 01:17:54,459 decided to rig up the 44-foot Ryan Zachary 1685 01:17:54,460 --> 01:17:58,399 for an experimental mackerel jig fishery, 1686 01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,400 automated mackerel reels out of Iceland. 1687 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,193 We're catching quite a few mackerel when we go. 1688 01:18:05,490 --> 01:18:06,729 Your great-great-grandfather 1689 01:18:06,730 --> 01:18:08,925 would have been proud of you. 1690 01:18:08,926 --> 01:18:12,593 (soft inspirational music) 1691 01:18:13,930 --> 01:18:15,759 People think they get fish 1692 01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,979 from a supermarket wrapped in plastic. 1693 01:18:17,980 --> 01:18:20,319 You know, they have no connection 1694 01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:21,993 to who caught the fish. 1695 01:18:23,250 --> 01:18:24,989 Once they start to think about, 1696 01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:27,229 where did that fish come from 1697 01:18:27,230 --> 01:18:29,110 and did it come from my neighbor 1698 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,689 and how was it handled 1699 01:18:33,690 --> 01:18:35,100 and who processed it 1700 01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,849 before I put it in my frying pan or on the grill? 1701 01:18:38,850 --> 01:18:41,559 Once they start asking questions about that, 1702 01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,363 then there's a story to tell. 1703 01:18:46,522 --> 01:18:48,969 What I think we as consumers must demand 1704 01:18:48,970 --> 01:18:50,673 is storied seafood, 1705 01:18:51,970 --> 01:18:53,999 because if that seafood has a story, 1706 01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,699 then we can apply our value system 1707 01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:59,349 in choosing whether or not we buy it. 1708 01:18:59,350 --> 01:19:00,489 If it comes from somebody 1709 01:19:00,490 --> 01:19:02,966 that's snapping up quota and harming neighbors 1710 01:19:02,967 --> 01:19:06,859 and doing things that I don't necessarily agree with, 1711 01:19:06,860 --> 01:19:09,193 well, I'm not gonna buy his or her fish. 1712 01:19:10,204 --> 01:19:12,379 And if this person is acting responsibly, 1713 01:19:12,380 --> 01:19:14,279 is local, is fishing artisanally, 1714 01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,499 is going out teaching his son, 1715 01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:17,779 apprenticing in the same thing, 1716 01:19:17,780 --> 01:19:20,379 okay, that's something I really can get into. 1717 01:19:20,380 --> 01:19:22,463 Okay. I will buy that story. 1718 01:19:23,850 --> 01:19:25,369 I think what's really important 1719 01:19:25,370 --> 01:19:27,589 is people being aware 1720 01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:29,409 and not being satisfied when I read a menu 1721 01:19:29,410 --> 01:19:31,269 that just says sea bass. 1722 01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:32,609 But what kind of sea bass is it? 1723 01:19:32,610 --> 01:19:34,079 And where was that sea bass from? 1724 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,329 And how was that sea bass caught? 1725 01:19:35,330 --> 01:19:37,339 And is it wild or is it farm-raised? 1726 01:19:37,340 --> 01:19:39,699 And is it fresh or is it frozen? 1727 01:19:39,700 --> 01:19:41,021 If you don't get the answers that you like, 1728 01:19:41,022 --> 01:19:43,313 then those are the fish that you should be avoiding. 1729 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,419 If you really wanna support fish 1730 01:19:46,420 --> 01:19:48,919 and you want to support the rebuilding 1731 01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,579 of our ecosystem, then buy local fish. 1732 01:19:52,580 --> 01:19:54,709 Try a variety of fish. 1733 01:19:54,710 --> 01:19:57,199 You'll encourage fishermen to take more control 1734 01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,409 over their future, to fish more responsibly. 1735 01:20:00,410 --> 01:20:01,553 And it'll be fresher. 1736 01:20:03,130 --> 01:20:04,839 [Peter] If it's been harvested 1737 01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,879 in the United States under the Magnuson Act, 1738 01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,619 it's a sustainable product. 1739 01:20:09,620 --> 01:20:11,363 And so support your neighbor. 1740 01:20:14,620 --> 01:20:16,889 I think as much as we are trying 1741 01:20:16,890 --> 01:20:21,179 to save the oceans, we are trying to save those 1742 01:20:21,180 --> 01:20:24,279 who provide us access to the oceans 1743 01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,539 so that fishermen might regain a place 1744 01:20:26,540 --> 01:20:28,949 in our society that they've rightfully earned, 1745 01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:30,739 which is a place of honor. 1746 01:20:30,740 --> 01:20:31,909 Gloucester is a unique place. 1747 01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:34,393 There'll never be another place like it. 1748 01:20:35,890 --> 01:20:38,609 That sticktuitiveness, that believing 1749 01:20:38,610 --> 01:20:40,449 that we can get the job done 1750 01:20:40,450 --> 01:20:42,113 no matter how large it is, 1751 01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:48,880 that spirit is born in scratching for a living 1752 01:20:49,740 --> 01:20:52,013 and wrestling a living from the sea. 1753 01:20:53,310 --> 01:20:55,101 And that will be gone. 1754 01:20:55,102 --> 01:20:56,602 That will be gone. 1755 01:21:02,150 --> 01:21:05,153 In a community like Gloucester, there isn't much. 1756 01:21:06,885 --> 01:21:08,873 We're just a fishing town. 1757 01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:13,859 And I really do believe our faith 1758 01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:14,953 will keep us strong. 1759 01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:20,986 Like my uncles told me when I was a kid, 1760 01:21:20,987 --> 01:21:22,059 "You need to watch out, boy, 1761 01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:23,660 because it gets into your blood. 1762 01:21:26,410 --> 01:21:28,437 It's an adventure. You'll love it." 1763 01:21:30,745 --> 01:21:32,145 We're just gonna keep going. 1764 01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:35,713 We're doing the best we can. 1765 01:21:35,714 --> 01:21:37,459 He's not gonna get rich, 1766 01:21:37,460 --> 01:21:40,149 but if he can keep going 1767 01:21:40,150 --> 01:21:43,409 and raise a family and pay the bills, 1768 01:21:43,410 --> 01:21:44,607 it's not a bad living. 1769 01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:47,917 (soft music) 1770 01:22:24,358 --> 01:22:27,525 (soft dramatic music) 1771 01:23:32,868 --> 01:23:35,868 (soft upbeat music) 1772 01:24:46,105 --> 01:24:48,605 (soft music) 127071

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