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Defendants
Erik and Lyle Menendez,
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how do you plead?
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- Not guilty.
- Not guilty.
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Jerry told me everything.
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You violated
the doctorpatient privilege.
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She was at risk. We both were.
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As I told you,
Lyle had threatened me.
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There were a series of sessions
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between Dr. Oziel
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and the defendants.
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I have ruled that none
of these communications
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are privileged.
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Erik, what if I could
make the nightmares stop?
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When I was five or six,
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Dad would massage my penis
with his mouth.
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Yesterday, he told me
when he turned 11,
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his father started raping him.
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As a mother, and a human being,
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I believe it.
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As a lawyer, I will believe it
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when I can prove it.
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I never told anyone.
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Dad said
if anyone ever found out,
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that something bad
would happen to me.
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How about Dr. Oziel?
Did you tell him?
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No. He reported everything
back to my parents.
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That was the arrangement.
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How about after the murders?
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Lyle and I made a deal
not to talk about it.
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We didn't...
We didn't want anyone
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to have a bad impression
of our parents.
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I thought Dad stopped
after I confronted him.
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That couldn't have been
easy to do.
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No. If I had known he was
still doing that to Erik,
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I never would've gone
to Princeton.
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Never would've left him alone
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in that house.
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Lyle knew about your abuse.
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He figured it out when I was 12.
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That Dad was doing stuff to me.
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Like rough stuff.
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And he went up to Dad
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and told him to stop, but...
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Just made things worse.
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What will happen
if you ever tell anyone again?
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You'll hurt me.
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Wrong!
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What will I do?
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You'll kill me.
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That's right.
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I believed him.
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I was nothing to him.
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What about you, Lyle?
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What about me, what?
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Listen, we have kids
killing their parents
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all the time
in South Central Los Angeles,
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and nobody writes about that.
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This is just another
domestic murder
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with a bit of glitz.
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The signatures don't match.
Even I can see that.
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Goodreau did not sign
the gun permit application.
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Well, Les, go to
forensics school
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get yourself a degree,
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then you can tell the experts
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to go screw themselves.
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Feel like the police gods
are laughing at us, Tommy.
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12 months and all we've got
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is the word of
a complete nutjob.
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Zoeller. Go, go, go.
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Hey, how's it going?
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Yeah? Where is it?
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Okay, thanks.
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Erik's Ford Escort
has been located.
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It's in New Jersey.
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Great. It'll take months
to get an outofstate warrant.
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Not my way.
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License and registration,
please.
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Yes, sir, officer.
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Did I do something wrong?
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Registration's expired.
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I have to take this vehicle
down to the station house.
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Step out, please.
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Nothing? He checked.
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Tore the car apart,
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right, okay, well,
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send me the report.
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I appreciate the help.
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No gunpowder residue,
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no blood traces.
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- Ticket stubs for "Batman"?
- No.
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Police gods are
really kicking our ass, Tommy.
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Erik has a natural
acting talent.
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I don't know if he could
make a living at it,
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but as far as commitment
and enthusiasm go,
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he was a star.
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He told me his parents
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made him withdraw
from your class.
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His father didn't think
acting was good enough
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for his son.
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I felt terrible for Erik.
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It was like he had the life
knocked out of him.
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Did he ever talk about
his life at home? His dad?
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I never got the sense
he found much joy there.
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He had ways of communicating
his unhappiness.
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One time, he surprised the class
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with a soliloquy from
"Richard II."
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I have been studying
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how I may compare this prison
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where I live unto the world.
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And for, because the world
is populous,
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and here is not a creature
but myself,
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I cannot do it.
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Yet I'll hammer it out.
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Thoughts tending to ambition,
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they do plot unlikely wonders:
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How these vain, weak nails
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may tear a passage
through the flinty ribs
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of this hard world,
my ragged prison walls,
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and, for they cannot,
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die in their own pride.
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The class was mesmerized.
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It's about King Richard's
loneliness in prison.
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When I asked him
why he chose that piece,
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he said it was because I'd said
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how difficult it was.
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Especially for him.
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Why especially?
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He has dyslexia.
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Really?
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He never mentioned it.
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The school didn't know, either.
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When I asked his mother,
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she said he'd been diagnosed
years earlier.
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His mother never told
the school?
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She acted like his dyslexia
was an embarrassment.
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It's too bad.
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There was so much
we could've done for Erik.
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Sounds like it would've
been Jose's idea
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not to inform the school.
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Kitty deferred to him
on all things
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that concerned their sons.
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I'm really trying to get a fix
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on what kind of a mother
she was.
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So why did she come to see you?
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Depression.
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She found out her husband
had multiple affairs.
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She blamed her sons for getting
in between her and Jose.
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Her whole world
revolved around Jose.
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I didn't get any sleep
last night.
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You know I've had insomnia
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for weeks now.
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Just when I was dozing off,
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I hear Erik screaming
in his bedroom.
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What happened?
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I thought, "Jesus Christ",
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he's gonna wake up Jose."
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So much racket.
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So I went in his room.
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Was Erik okay?
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He was fine.
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It was just a nightmare.
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But from the way
he was shaking...
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What'd you do?
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I didn't do anything to him.
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It was just a nightmare.
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I meant, "What did you do
to comfort him?"
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I took him to his bathroom
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and made him take a cold shower.
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Like my father used to do
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with my brothers
when they had nightmares.
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How comforting.
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Did she ever hint, or imply,
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that Erik was sexually abused
by Mr. Menendez?
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No.
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But she once told me there were
"sick secrets" in the house.
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She never would explain
what she meant.
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Just talked to Erik's doctor
and his tennis coaches.
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They didn't see any evidence
of sex abuse.
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And he never said anything
to them.
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It's hard to imagine,
if it went on as long
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as Erik says, his mother
wouldn't have noticed
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and done something.
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I can't figure Kitty out.
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She told her shrink
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their family had "sick secrets,"
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but didn't say what.
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Maybe Kitty didn't understand.
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Maybe she was afraid.
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I don't think she had
a maternal bone in her body,
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but we need this to make sense
to us,
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never mind the jury.
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Fantastic.
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Diane Sawyer has an interview
with our favorite whackadoo.
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Judalon?
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Yeah. Just aired
on the east coast.
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It's explosive.
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Are Lyle and Erik Menendez
guilty?
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Did they murder their parents?
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Yes, they did.
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You know this?
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Yes, I heard it
from their own mouths
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that they killed their parents.
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What did she say?
What did she say?
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Mentiras, Mama.
It's just mentiras.
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She says that at
Dr. Oziel's request,
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she was right up there
in his fourthfloor office,
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listening in the next room
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when Erik and Lyle
met with Oziel
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on that Halloween night
last year.
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I can't believe
Grandma's watching this.
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Aunt Terry, Aunt Marta,
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our whole family's watching
this, Lyle.
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Erik said that Lyle
made him take the first shot.
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One of the things that Lyle said
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that was really disturbing
to me was.
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"Well, for once,
my father would have to
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congratulate me on
planning the perfect murder."
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- Dios mio.
- Carlos.
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We don't know it's the truth.
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For what would they kill
their parents?
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$14 million.
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Erik and Lyle
had no idea about money.
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They thought it grew on trees.
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Shame on you
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for believing a stranger
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over your own nephews.
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Family is everything.
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That's what Jose would say.
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Why didn't Dr. Oziel
go to the police?
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There was the issue
of doctorpatient privilege
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and Jerry made audio notes.
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He has tapes of Lyle and Erik
confessing.
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And indeed, that tip
from Judalon Smyth
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led police to Dr. Oziel's home
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and bank vault,
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where they confiscated
17 tape recordings.
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That's it.
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There's no question they did it.
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Now, Lyle,
this is a diabolical creature.
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Jerry compared him to Ted Bundy.
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What are they gonna think of us?
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It's gonna be okay, Erik.
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We just need to...
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To...
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Just keep it together, Erik.
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She gave an interview
to Diane Sawyer.
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Today she's in "Vanity Fair,"
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spewing her lies
to Dominick Dunne,
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all with the DA's blessing.
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The jury pool is
being poisoned, Your Honor.
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These interviews
are as much a shock to us
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as they are to the defense.
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Come on, Pam.
The DA himself appeared
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on Diane Sawyer's show.
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Your Honor, Judalon Smyth
has half the county believing
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there is a taped confession
by my clients.
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Dr. Oziel's tapes
are compromised.
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The only fair thing is for you
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to reverse your decision
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and keep the tapes out.
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Nice try, Ms. Abramson.
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Maybe what needs to happen
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is for you and Ms. Ferrero
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to work out a plea bargain.
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This crime so offends
the district attorney,
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00:11:16,810 --> 00:11:18,478
I can't imagine anything.
268
00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:21,481
Miss Abramson has to offer
would satisfy us.
269
00:11:21,514 --> 00:11:23,016
Ms. Ferrero has no qualms
270
00:11:23,050 --> 00:11:24,818
making deals with
contract killers
271
00:11:24,852 --> 00:11:26,153
and serial rapists.
272
00:11:26,186 --> 00:11:28,088
Her cynicism
is what's offensive.
273
00:11:28,121 --> 00:11:31,158
She said I was the worst sex
of her life.
274
00:11:31,191 --> 00:11:32,993
That's defamation, Ross,
not to mention
275
00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:34,862
physically impossible.
276
00:11:34,895 --> 00:11:36,363
It's not worth it, Jerry.
277
00:11:36,396 --> 00:11:38,498
I'm sorry. I have to go.
278
00:11:45,005 --> 00:11:48,308
My father had this creed
he made us learn.
279
00:11:48,341 --> 00:11:51,879
"Today, I will be master
of my emotions.
280
00:11:51,912 --> 00:11:54,347
"If I feel depressed,
I will sing.
281
00:11:54,381 --> 00:11:57,017
"If I feel sad, I will laugh.
282
00:11:57,050 --> 00:12:01,388
"If I feel fear,
I will plunge ahead.
283
00:12:01,421 --> 00:12:04,224
I will be master
of my emotions."
284
00:12:04,257 --> 00:12:08,261
And why was mastering
your emotions important?
285
00:12:08,295 --> 00:12:09,930
Dad thought it was
a sign of weakness
286
00:12:09,963 --> 00:12:11,264
to show emotion.
287
00:12:11,298 --> 00:12:13,466
We had to be strong.
288
00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:14,878
That's why Erik and I
never told anyone
289
00:12:14,902 --> 00:12:18,271
what was happening to us.
290
00:12:18,305 --> 00:12:20,874
To him.
291
00:12:20,908 --> 00:12:23,276
You said "us."
292
00:12:23,310 --> 00:12:26,479
What was happening to you?
293
00:12:29,449 --> 00:12:31,251
I'm only here to listen, Lyle.
294
00:12:31,284 --> 00:12:34,554
I know you're in pain.
295
00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:36,556
Vicary thinks
that I can help you,
296
00:12:36,589 --> 00:12:39,026
and I think I can.
297
00:12:39,059 --> 00:12:42,229
But that first step
has to be yours.
298
00:12:48,335 --> 00:12:53,206
It wasn't right.
299
00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:59,546
Parents aren't supposed to...
300
00:12:59,579 --> 00:13:01,248
She'd make me touch her.
301
00:13:02,983 --> 00:13:04,852
Your mother.
302
00:13:04,885 --> 00:13:08,088
Yes.
303
00:13:08,121 --> 00:13:11,191
When I was 11,
304
00:13:11,224 --> 00:13:12,860
she'd make me come into her bed
305
00:13:12,893 --> 00:13:14,461
and do things to her
306
00:13:14,494 --> 00:13:16,596
I knew I shouldn't be doing.
307
00:13:19,199 --> 00:13:21,301
I knew there was
something off about her,
308
00:13:21,334 --> 00:13:22,578
but I never would've
guessed that.
309
00:13:22,602 --> 00:13:24,271
So Erik was abused by his father
310
00:13:24,304 --> 00:13:25,939
from the age of six,
311
00:13:25,973 --> 00:13:27,540
and Lyle was abused at...
312
00:13:27,574 --> 00:13:30,010
11 by his mother.
313
00:13:30,043 --> 00:13:33,280
Even in its perversity,
it doesn't make sense.
314
00:13:33,313 --> 00:13:34,982
Like there's a piece missing.
315
00:13:35,015 --> 00:13:36,483
There is.
316
00:13:36,516 --> 00:13:39,586
Jon and I feel that Lyle
was abused by Jose as well.
317
00:13:39,619 --> 00:13:42,022
Then why tell us
about his mother?
318
00:13:42,055 --> 00:13:43,390
Probably testing the waters.
319
00:13:43,423 --> 00:13:45,258
A boy being abused by his mother
320
00:13:45,292 --> 00:13:47,327
is in some ways
more acceptable to him.
321
00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,462
Maybe the reason
322
00:13:49,496 --> 00:13:51,364
Erik and Lyle's stories
don't line up
323
00:13:51,398 --> 00:13:53,333
is the same reason
we can't find any evidence
324
00:13:53,366 --> 00:13:55,368
to back them up,
because they are not true.
325
00:13:55,402 --> 00:13:58,138
Inconsistencies don't mean
the boys are lying.
326
00:13:58,171 --> 00:13:59,539
Just means that maybe
327
00:13:59,572 --> 00:14:01,508
they haven't told us
the whole story yet.
328
00:14:01,541 --> 00:14:04,211
Well, how long
till they do that?
329
00:14:13,420 --> 00:14:16,589
Did you think about it?
330
00:14:16,623 --> 00:14:18,258
Yeah.
331
00:14:18,291 --> 00:14:21,962
You okay with it?
332
00:14:21,995 --> 00:14:23,997
That's it. Let's go.
333
00:14:30,938 --> 00:14:32,906
We want to tell our family
the truth.
334
00:14:32,940 --> 00:14:35,575
We don't want them to hear it
from anyone else.
335
00:14:35,608 --> 00:14:37,144
Is that okay?
336
00:14:37,177 --> 00:14:38,678
I think it's
the right thing to do.
337
00:14:38,711 --> 00:14:41,081
You boys made
the right decision.
338
00:14:41,114 --> 00:14:42,582
We'll help any way we can.
339
00:14:42,615 --> 00:14:44,651
Thank you.
340
00:14:51,058 --> 00:14:52,425
This is good.
341
00:14:52,459 --> 00:14:56,997
I needed to know
they would come clean.
342
00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:59,032
How have you boys been?
343
00:14:59,066 --> 00:15:01,034
Are you getting enough food?
344
00:15:01,068 --> 00:15:04,704
It's fine, Aunt Marta.
345
00:15:04,737 --> 00:15:06,974
There's something
Erik and I feel
346
00:15:07,007 --> 00:15:08,508
the family needs to know,
347
00:15:08,541 --> 00:15:11,578
and, we're counting on you
to tell the others.
348
00:15:20,353 --> 00:15:22,255
Erik and I killed our parents.
349
00:15:25,392 --> 00:15:27,427
It wasn't for the money.
350
00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:29,729
Dad was molesting my brother.
351
00:15:29,762 --> 00:15:33,433
He molested Erik...
Why would you say that?
352
00:15:33,466 --> 00:15:35,211
The only thing your father
has left is his name.
353
00:15:35,235 --> 00:15:36,612
Now you want to take that away,
too?
354
00:15:36,636 --> 00:15:39,239
Mom, too. She molested me, too.
355
00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:40,340
Did things to me t...
356
00:15:40,373 --> 00:15:41,674
No, no, no.
357
00:15:41,708 --> 00:15:43,210
Dios mío.
358
00:15:43,243 --> 00:15:44,311
I don't want to hear it.
359
00:15:44,344 --> 00:15:47,614
Carlos. Let them speak.
360
00:15:47,647 --> 00:15:49,482
It is the truth, Uncle Carlos.
361
00:15:49,516 --> 00:15:51,451
We want to take responsibility
for what we did.
362
00:15:51,484 --> 00:15:53,220
But we want the family to know.
363
00:15:53,253 --> 00:15:54,687
Mom and Dad did things to us
364
00:15:54,721 --> 00:15:56,299
they needed to
take responsibility for, too.
365
00:15:56,323 --> 00:15:58,725
So that's why you killed them?
366
00:16:00,793 --> 00:16:02,262
Carlos...
367
00:16:02,295 --> 00:16:03,630
That's no excuse to take a life.
368
00:16:03,663 --> 00:16:05,132
No, it's not.
369
00:16:05,165 --> 00:16:07,234
But we thought we were fighting
for our lives.
370
00:16:07,267 --> 00:16:08,635
Enough!
371
00:16:08,668 --> 00:16:10,003
I've heard enough.
372
00:16:12,405 --> 00:16:14,774
Please. We love our parents.
373
00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:16,109
We love you guys,
374
00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:19,212
and please, please forgive us.
375
00:16:33,193 --> 00:16:34,761
The police have nothing,
376
00:16:34,794 --> 00:16:36,796
your best witnesses,
Oziel and Judalon,
377
00:16:36,829 --> 00:16:38,665
are pieces of crap
on the sea of life,
378
00:16:38,698 --> 00:16:40,400
and once the tapes are out,
Pam, you're...
379
00:16:40,433 --> 00:16:42,169
There's no plea offer
forthcoming.
380
00:16:42,202 --> 00:16:45,172
Kids killing their parents
is a crime against society.
381
00:16:45,205 --> 00:16:46,539
You said so yourself,
382
00:16:46,573 --> 00:16:48,575
kids kill their parents
all the time.
383
00:16:48,608 --> 00:16:50,353
And in California, those kids
don't end up on death row.
384
00:16:50,377 --> 00:16:51,420
What if I told you
there was sexual abuse
385
00:16:51,444 --> 00:16:53,180
in the family?
386
00:16:53,213 --> 00:16:55,748
Nothing you pull out of
your hat surprises me, Leslie.
387
00:16:55,782 --> 00:16:58,151
Sorry, Jill, there'll be
no deals on this one.
388
00:17:03,123 --> 00:17:04,657
Ira...
389
00:17:04,691 --> 00:17:06,702
You are using these boys
as a pawn to get reelected.
390
00:17:06,726 --> 00:17:08,361
It is desperate and it's unfair.
391
00:17:08,395 --> 00:17:09,829
These are not violent people.
392
00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:12,465
Erik and Lyle
are not career criminals.
393
00:17:12,499 --> 00:17:14,201
Okay, look me in the eye
right now
394
00:17:14,234 --> 00:17:16,303
and tell me you believe
these boys deserve to die.
395
00:17:16,336 --> 00:17:17,637
You know they don't.
396
00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:19,272
Leslie, I speak on behalf
397
00:17:19,306 --> 00:17:20,583
of every attorney in this office
398
00:17:20,607 --> 00:17:22,275
when I say I've had it with you.
399
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:24,244
Call the deputies.
I need Ms. Abramson
400
00:17:24,277 --> 00:17:25,345
escorted out of here.
401
00:17:25,378 --> 00:17:26,579
You can't bully me, Ira.
402
00:17:26,613 --> 00:17:28,115
- Let's go.
- Out.
403
00:17:28,148 --> 00:17:30,783
It's wrong and you know it.
404
00:17:30,817 --> 00:17:33,086
Well, that went well.
No, it didn't, Leslie.
405
00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:34,554
It didn't go well at all.
406
00:17:34,587 --> 00:17:36,489
We just blew our only chance
for a plea bargain
407
00:17:36,523 --> 00:17:38,525
and now the boys will
go to trial for their lives.
408
00:17:44,764 --> 00:17:45,764
Dad told me
409
00:17:46,499 --> 00:17:48,501
if I screamed...
410
00:17:48,535 --> 00:17:50,103
He would hit me so hard
411
00:17:50,137 --> 00:17:52,272
that I would never be able
to cry or scream again.
412
00:17:52,305 --> 00:17:54,574
Imagine that I had a gun
to my head.
413
00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:56,843
That was the fear that I had.
414
00:17:56,876 --> 00:18:01,448
I live with that fear every day.
415
00:18:08,855 --> 00:18:10,790
How could you?
416
00:18:10,823 --> 00:18:12,559
You lied to me.
417
00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:13,860
Jamie, please.
418
00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:15,728
You killed your parents!
419
00:18:15,762 --> 00:18:18,265
And you're still lying.
420
00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:20,300
You're sick.
421
00:18:29,809 --> 00:18:31,311
Jamie, I understand.
422
00:18:31,344 --> 00:18:32,912
You have to do
what's right for you.
423
00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:35,315
You've been a part
of this family for so...
424
00:18:39,419 --> 00:18:40,863
Jamie's moving
out of the guest house.
425
00:18:40,887 --> 00:18:45,558
She doesn't want to see Lyle
anymore.
426
00:18:45,592 --> 00:18:49,162
I know this all
must have been very confusing.
427
00:18:49,196 --> 00:18:50,730
Mom...
428
00:18:50,763 --> 00:18:54,301
What Erik said
about Uncle Jose...
429
00:18:54,334 --> 00:18:55,802
It's true.
430
00:18:59,839 --> 00:19:01,308
Erik made me promise
431
00:19:01,341 --> 00:19:02,518
not to tell my mom
about the massages
432
00:19:02,542 --> 00:19:04,377
that his dad was giving him.
433
00:19:04,411 --> 00:19:05,845
It was a pinky promise,
434
00:19:05,878 --> 00:19:07,680
but I was ten, so I thought...
435
00:19:07,714 --> 00:19:09,916
We know about pinky promises.
436
00:19:09,949 --> 00:19:11,651
So, when you would visit
437
00:19:11,684 --> 00:19:13,353
your Uncle Jose
and your Aunt Kitty,
438
00:19:13,386 --> 00:19:15,688
did your Uncle Jose
do anything to you?
439
00:19:15,722 --> 00:19:17,624
No.
440
00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:19,326
Did you notice anything else?
441
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,728
Thing that might have
made you uncomfortable?
442
00:19:26,266 --> 00:19:28,501
Well, this one time, before bed,
443
00:19:28,535 --> 00:19:33,306
Uncle Jose took Erik and Lyle
into the bathroom
444
00:19:33,340 --> 00:19:34,974
to take a shower together.
445
00:19:35,007 --> 00:19:36,776
- The three of them?
- Yes.
446
00:19:36,809 --> 00:19:39,746
They had this shower
with three heads.
447
00:19:39,779 --> 00:19:41,381
And after they came out,
448
00:19:41,414 --> 00:19:42,982
Uncle Jose took them into a room
449
00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:44,884
to "play a game."
450
00:19:44,917 --> 00:19:45,885
What kind of game?
451
00:19:45,918 --> 00:19:47,554
I don't know.
452
00:19:47,587 --> 00:19:50,623
He'd lock the door
and wouldn't let me play.
453
00:19:50,657 --> 00:19:53,660
They were in there
for almost an hour.
454
00:19:56,963 --> 00:19:59,899
What'd you play?
455
00:20:06,939 --> 00:20:09,709
What do you play?
456
00:20:25,292 --> 00:20:28,795
He went right to bed.
457
00:20:28,828 --> 00:20:34,401
He didn't talk.
458
00:20:34,434 --> 00:20:37,670
Well, thank you, Andy.
You've been very brave.
459
00:20:37,704 --> 00:20:40,573
And we'll talk more later.
460
00:20:40,607 --> 00:20:43,576
Until then, don't discuss this
with anyone, okay?
461
00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:45,278
Marta, you too.
462
00:20:45,312 --> 00:20:47,514
Okay.
463
00:21:06,533 --> 00:21:08,335
Here you go.
464
00:21:08,368 --> 00:21:10,537
- Ma'am.
- Thank you.
465
00:21:13,005 --> 00:21:15,775
Are you kidding me?
466
00:21:15,808 --> 00:21:17,085
They upheld Albracht's decision.
467
00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:18,911
The tapes are in. All of 'em.
468
00:21:18,945 --> 00:21:20,480
It gets worse.
They're releasing.
469
00:21:20,513 --> 00:21:23,316
Oziel and Judalon's
sealed testimony.
470
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:25,585
Well...
471
00:21:25,618 --> 00:21:27,330
I can think of one person
who will be more pissed
472
00:21:27,354 --> 00:21:29,722
about this than we are.
473
00:21:29,756 --> 00:21:31,090
It is outrageous
474
00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:32,592
that the court released
testimony
475
00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:33,993
given under seal,
476
00:21:34,026 --> 00:21:36,329
so I feel compelled
to address the lies.
477
00:21:36,363 --> 00:21:38,631
Judalon Smyth told in court.
478
00:21:38,665 --> 00:21:40,633
First of all...
479
00:21:40,667 --> 00:21:44,003
I never asked her
to eavesdrop on my patients.
480
00:21:44,036 --> 00:21:47,674
I never disclosed to her
the contents of any session.
481
00:21:47,707 --> 00:21:50,477
I never hypnotized her
or gave her drugs.
482
00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:52,912
None of her accusations
are true.
483
00:21:52,945 --> 00:21:54,914
She wasn't even my patient.
484
00:21:54,947 --> 00:21:56,649
That's all we have to say.
485
00:21:56,683 --> 00:21:58,017
Before I leave,
486
00:21:58,050 --> 00:21:59,719
I'd like to send a message
487
00:21:59,752 --> 00:22:00,953
to Erik and Lyle,
488
00:22:00,987 --> 00:22:02,097
tell them I'm thinking of them,
489
00:22:02,121 --> 00:22:03,890
I care for them a great deal,
490
00:22:03,923 --> 00:22:05,358
and I wish Leslie Abramson
491
00:22:05,392 --> 00:22:07,894
the best of luck
in defending them.
492
00:22:07,927 --> 00:22:10,363
If Dr. Oziel wants to be
helpful to the boys,
493
00:22:10,397 --> 00:22:13,900
tell him to go kill himself.
494
00:22:13,933 --> 00:22:15,735
You have messages from.
495
00:22:15,768 --> 00:22:16,903
Soble at the "Times,".
496
00:22:16,936 --> 00:22:18,046
Brand from the "Miami Herald"...
497
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:19,772
- Has Tim called?
- No,
498
00:22:19,806 --> 00:22:22,108
but your brother did.
499
00:22:22,141 --> 00:22:24,411
717? That's not his area code.
500
00:22:24,444 --> 00:22:26,679
He said that's the number
you asked him for.
501
00:22:55,508 --> 00:22:56,876
Hello?
502
00:22:56,909 --> 00:22:58,077
Hi.
503
00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:01,047
This is Leslie Abramson.
504
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,949
Is this Sol?
505
00:23:02,982 --> 00:23:04,851
Because Jose died first,
506
00:23:04,884 --> 00:23:06,419
the estate passed to Kitty,
507
00:23:06,453 --> 00:23:07,787
before she was killed.
508
00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:10,557
Now, those boys can't profit
from their crime,
509
00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:11,691
so the estate
510
00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:13,793
goes to Kitty's
immediate family.
511
00:23:13,826 --> 00:23:15,762
To us.
512
00:23:15,795 --> 00:23:17,096
Those boys get nothing.
513
00:23:17,129 --> 00:23:18,565
But they haven't been convicted.
514
00:23:18,598 --> 00:23:20,132
They confessed. See, that's why
515
00:23:20,166 --> 00:23:21,734
we have to file the lawsuit
516
00:23:21,768 --> 00:23:22,869
as soon as possible.
517
00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:24,203
So they don't waste it all.
518
00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:26,473
They need to pay for their sins.
519
00:23:26,506 --> 00:23:28,708
They are our nephews, Milton!
520
00:23:28,741 --> 00:23:30,710
Kids who I believe
were terribly abused.
521
00:23:30,743 --> 00:23:32,211
That's all a bunch of crap.
522
00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:34,213
We're done with these brats.
523
00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:36,148
So you can be that coldblooded?
524
00:23:36,182 --> 00:23:38,551
Who you calling coldblooded?
525
00:23:38,585 --> 00:23:39,952
I want you out of my house.
526
00:23:39,986 --> 00:23:41,988
Both of you.
527
00:23:52,632 --> 00:23:54,867
It's unbelievable,
what money can do.
528
00:23:58,838 --> 00:24:02,074
Uncle Brian doesn't know
what he's talking about.
529
00:24:02,108 --> 00:24:04,677
What do you mean?
530
00:24:08,915 --> 00:24:10,783
I spent the summer at Uncle Jose
531
00:24:10,817 --> 00:24:12,118
and Aunt Kitty's house
532
00:24:12,151 --> 00:24:14,253
when I was 15. Lyle was eight.
533
00:24:14,286 --> 00:24:16,523
He told me what Uncle Jose
was doing to him.
534
00:24:16,556 --> 00:24:18,925
I told Aunt Kitty.
She called me a little liar
535
00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:21,060
and dragged him upstairs
and shut the door.
536
00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:23,162
We never talked about it again.
537
00:24:23,195 --> 00:24:24,764
Did you tell anyone else?
538
00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:27,266
No. I didn't know what to do.
539
00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:28,868
I was only 15.
540
00:24:28,901 --> 00:24:30,236
I was confused.
541
00:24:30,269 --> 00:24:31,771
Okay, Diane. Thank you.
542
00:24:31,804 --> 00:24:32,905
This has been very helpful.
543
00:24:32,939 --> 00:24:33,939
We'll be in touch.
544
00:24:37,043 --> 00:24:38,645
It's hearsay evidence
545
00:24:38,678 --> 00:24:40,647
about what an eightyearold
may have said
546
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,881
15 years ago.
547
00:24:41,914 --> 00:24:43,249
It's not gonna convince a jury.
548
00:24:43,282 --> 00:24:45,785
Not if Lyle won't admit
that Jose abused him.
549
00:24:45,818 --> 00:24:47,654
Not even then.
550
00:24:47,687 --> 00:24:49,064
Our showandtell for
the jury's going to be
551
00:24:49,088 --> 00:24:52,224
all tell and no show.
552
00:24:52,258 --> 00:24:55,061
All that abuse.
553
00:24:55,094 --> 00:24:57,096
There's gotta be
something tangible
554
00:24:57,129 --> 00:24:59,699
that Jose or Kitty left behind.
555
00:25:08,975 --> 00:25:10,015
So who bought the house?
556
00:25:10,777 --> 00:25:12,011
A sheik, from Saudi Arabia.
557
00:25:12,044 --> 00:25:13,646
You have the directions
to Calabasas?
558
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,857
- Yeah, got 'em.
- The house looks
559
00:25:14,881 --> 00:25:16,124
under construction,
but it's okay.
560
00:25:16,148 --> 00:25:18,150
You can put everything inside.
561
00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:20,152
That's it.
562
00:25:20,186 --> 00:25:21,988
Everything is gone.
563
00:25:25,357 --> 00:25:28,027
It's gonna be okay, Nana.
564
00:25:30,763 --> 00:25:33,566
He worked his whole...
His whole life for this.
565
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,801
I know.
566
00:25:34,834 --> 00:25:37,036
All right, I got it.
567
00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:41,774
I'm just a reporter, Donovan.
568
00:25:41,808 --> 00:25:44,744
I don't have a dog
in this fight.
569
00:25:44,777 --> 00:25:47,213
The cops say I'll have to
testify at the trial.
570
00:25:49,248 --> 00:25:50,650
I'm not looking forward to it.
571
00:25:50,683 --> 00:25:53,219
Me and Lyle really shared a lot.
572
00:25:53,252 --> 00:25:56,155
Like what, for example?
573
00:25:56,188 --> 00:26:00,593
Like, um...
574
00:26:00,627 --> 00:26:02,695
Four months before the murders,
575
00:26:02,729 --> 00:26:06,332
we were talking, and...
576
00:26:06,365 --> 00:26:08,668
I told Lyle
I was sexually abused
577
00:26:08,701 --> 00:26:10,002
when I was a kid.
578
00:26:12,404 --> 00:26:15,708
And he told me
he was molested, too.
579
00:26:15,742 --> 00:26:18,244
By his dad.
580
00:26:18,277 --> 00:26:20,379
Erik was, too.
581
00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:23,783
I don't know.
Maybe he was just saying that
582
00:26:23,816 --> 00:26:26,118
to make me feel better.
I don't know.
583
00:26:26,152 --> 00:26:28,087
I'm sorry...
584
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:30,022
You know if he told anyone else?
585
00:26:30,056 --> 00:26:32,825
No.
586
00:26:32,859 --> 00:26:35,361
But I told Glenn Stevens
what Lyle said.
587
00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:44,671
But I told Glenn Stevens
what Lyle said.
588
00:26:44,704 --> 00:26:46,739
I spoke to Stevens.
He wouldn't let me tape him,
589
00:26:46,773 --> 00:26:48,340
but I took notes,
590
00:26:48,374 --> 00:26:50,409
and he confirmed that
Goodreau told him
591
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:52,111
about Lyle and his father.
592
00:26:52,144 --> 00:26:54,146
Do you think Stevens
would testify?
593
00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:55,748
He was pretty clear he wouldn't
594
00:26:55,782 --> 00:26:57,383
unless he was forced to.
595
00:26:57,416 --> 00:26:59,986
All right. Thank you, Mr. Rand.
596
00:27:04,456 --> 00:27:05,768
I'll fly to New York
and talk to.
597
00:27:05,792 --> 00:27:07,727
Goodreau and Stevens.
598
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,161
I'll go with you.
599
00:27:09,195 --> 00:27:10,773
Well, it's Lyle's business.
I can handle it.
600
00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:12,665
There's someone I need to see.
601
00:27:36,222 --> 00:27:37,757
Is that you?
602
00:27:37,790 --> 00:27:40,059
I'm me. Are you you?
603
00:27:40,092 --> 00:27:42,895
Damn it, you still have my nose.
604
00:27:42,929 --> 00:27:45,064
I thought you'd outgrow it
by now.
605
00:27:47,499 --> 00:27:52,171
Nice to see you, Daddy.
606
00:27:52,204 --> 00:27:54,273
The chicken pot pie
is good here.
607
00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:03,349
Come on, honey.
608
00:28:03,382 --> 00:28:05,184
And what if Lyle goes free?
609
00:28:06,385 --> 00:28:07,820
Gotta think about that.
610
00:28:07,854 --> 00:28:09,255
Are you afraid of him?
Is that why
611
00:28:09,288 --> 00:28:10,957
you wanted to meet
in a public place?
612
00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:12,792
He knows I know things.
613
00:28:12,825 --> 00:28:15,103
I already spoke to Goodreau,
and he's willing to testify.
614
00:28:15,127 --> 00:28:16,963
I just need you
to go on the record
615
00:28:16,996 --> 00:28:20,967
about what he told you
about Lyle being molested.
616
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,070
Don't you want to help Lyle?
You were friends.
617
00:28:24,103 --> 00:28:26,238
I thought he was my friend.
618
00:28:26,272 --> 00:28:28,875
And then I realized
he was using me.
619
00:28:28,908 --> 00:28:30,743
He gave you a job, Glenn.
620
00:28:30,777 --> 00:28:33,112
Running a chicken wing shack.
621
00:28:33,145 --> 00:28:35,815
Look, I've got a good job now,
on Wall Street.
622
00:28:35,848 --> 00:28:38,517
I'm not about to give that up
for him.
623
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:41,120
I mean, besides,
624
00:28:41,153 --> 00:28:44,791
how can I help someone
who did that to his parents?
625
00:28:57,203 --> 00:28:59,972
Happy birthday dear Erik
626
00:29:00,006 --> 00:29:02,408
Happy birthday to you.
627
00:29:02,441 --> 00:29:04,076
Thank you, Leslie.
628
00:29:04,110 --> 00:29:05,444
It's just another birthday.
629
00:29:05,477 --> 00:29:07,513
There's no such thing.
630
00:29:07,546 --> 00:29:09,015
I saw my dad last week.
631
00:29:09,048 --> 00:29:10,850
Hadn't seen him since I was 14.
632
00:29:10,883 --> 00:29:12,985
You know how many birthdays
he missed?
633
00:29:13,019 --> 00:29:15,421
But that didn't stop me.
634
00:29:15,454 --> 00:29:20,326
I got you a present.
635
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:22,561
We just found out today.
636
00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:24,363
California Supreme Court
637
00:29:24,396 --> 00:29:27,199
agreed to review the ruling
on Oziel's tapes.
638
00:29:27,233 --> 00:29:28,868
Wow.
639
00:29:28,901 --> 00:29:30,837
Do you think we have a chance?
I do.
640
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:32,839
They know the issues
at stake here
641
00:29:32,872 --> 00:29:35,341
are bigger than just your case.
642
00:29:41,213 --> 00:29:46,919
So, Erik...
643
00:29:46,953 --> 00:29:50,990
I need to understand why
644
00:29:51,023 --> 00:29:53,559
what happened happened.
645
00:29:53,592 --> 00:29:56,863
Maybe if you tell me
646
00:29:56,896 --> 00:29:59,498
the last time your father
abused you...
647
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,079
It was two weeks
before everything.
648
00:30:13,112 --> 00:30:16,215
I got accepted to UCLA.
649
00:30:18,985 --> 00:30:22,588
I told my parents
I wanted to live oncampus.
650
00:30:22,621 --> 00:30:25,224
And Dad said no.
651
00:30:25,257 --> 00:30:27,093
And that he wouldn't pay for it
652
00:30:27,126 --> 00:30:30,496
unless I spent
four nights a week at home.
653
00:30:32,231 --> 00:30:36,368
And that's when I knew
it was never gonna end.
654
00:30:36,402 --> 00:30:40,973
And that's when things
started to get out of control.
655
00:30:41,007 --> 00:30:44,176
How do you mean?
656
00:30:49,081 --> 00:30:52,318
We thought our parents
were gonna kill us.
657
00:31:46,338 --> 00:31:48,207
Lyle looks to be about eight.
658
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,942
Erik's six.
659
00:31:49,976 --> 00:31:51,310
How do we know it's them?
660
00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:53,245
We can't see their faces,
just their bodies.
661
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,357
I compared them with photos
of them from the swimming pool.
662
00:31:55,381 --> 00:31:58,184
Birthmarks match.
The floor matches
663
00:31:58,217 --> 00:31:59,986
other pictures from
the Princeton house,
664
00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:01,163
and the handwriting
on the outside of the envelope
665
00:32:01,187 --> 00:32:02,521
matches Kitty's.
666
00:32:02,554 --> 00:32:04,194
Well, I've taken pictures
of my daughter
667
00:32:04,223 --> 00:32:05,400
in the bathtub, but these are...
668
00:32:05,424 --> 00:32:06,592
It's kiddie porn.
669
00:32:06,625 --> 00:32:08,260
Pictures of their genitals?
670
00:32:08,294 --> 00:32:10,262
Like, what kind of parent
takes photos like these?
671
00:32:10,296 --> 00:32:13,065
Someone could argue
these were taken by accident.
672
00:32:13,099 --> 00:32:15,134
These photos were carefully
saved and catalogued.
673
00:32:15,167 --> 00:32:17,003
This is no accident.
674
00:32:17,036 --> 00:32:20,439
Leslie, I doubted their story,
but not anymore.
675
00:32:20,472 --> 00:32:22,008
So, this is it? You've searched
676
00:32:22,041 --> 00:32:23,209
the rest of the boxes?
677
00:32:23,242 --> 00:32:24,543
I turned the house upside down.
678
00:32:24,576 --> 00:32:30,049
Same as the house on Elm Drive.
679
00:32:30,082 --> 00:32:31,583
Erik told me
680
00:32:31,617 --> 00:32:33,761
that he and Lyle thought
their parents would kill them.
681
00:32:33,785 --> 00:32:36,122
They were afraid
for their lives.
682
00:32:36,155 --> 00:32:38,190
That fits
with what I've been reading.
683
00:32:38,224 --> 00:32:41,360
Kids who are sexually abused
have no sense of safety.
684
00:32:41,393 --> 00:32:43,262
The two people who are supposed
to protect them
685
00:32:43,295 --> 00:32:44,763
are the ones hurting them.
686
00:32:44,796 --> 00:32:46,074
It would be better
if the murders
687
00:32:46,098 --> 00:32:47,499
were a direct response
688
00:32:47,533 --> 00:32:49,068
to an act of abuse.
689
00:32:49,101 --> 00:32:51,003
Erik said his father
last abused him
690
00:32:51,037 --> 00:32:52,738
two weeks before the murders.
691
00:32:52,771 --> 00:32:54,106
It's too much time elapsed.
692
00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:55,541
So how are we gonna fit this
693
00:32:55,574 --> 00:32:59,245
into a narrative
the jury is gonna understand?
694
00:32:59,278 --> 00:33:02,648
We have to find a way
through this,
695
00:33:02,681 --> 00:33:05,617
'cause we owe it to these boys.
696
00:33:07,453 --> 00:33:09,421
The verdict was announced
just hours ago:
697
00:33:09,455 --> 00:33:12,391
Four officers acquitted
in the beating of Rodney King.
698
00:33:12,424 --> 00:33:15,294
Many blame the verdicts
on Judge Weisberg's decision
699
00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:17,163
to move the trial
to Simi Valley,
700
00:33:17,196 --> 00:33:19,231
where many police officers
reside.
701
00:33:19,265 --> 00:33:21,333
And right now,
we're getting images
702
00:33:21,367 --> 00:33:23,769
of the reaction
in South Central Los Angeles.
703
00:33:23,802 --> 00:33:26,072
Let's go immediately live
to the scene.
704
00:33:26,105 --> 00:33:27,739
The situation here is
getting more
705
00:33:27,773 --> 00:33:29,717
and more dangerous by the
minute, as reports come in
706
00:33:29,741 --> 00:33:31,577
of buildings being set on fire
and looting.
707
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:33,512
Merchants in Koreatown
just north of here
708
00:33:33,545 --> 00:33:35,581
are reportedly forming
armed patrols.
709
00:33:37,683 --> 00:33:41,420
My God, Tim.
710
00:33:41,453 --> 00:33:44,690
What kind of world is this
for our kid?
711
00:33:44,723 --> 00:33:47,093
All this hate and cruelty.
712
00:33:47,126 --> 00:33:49,328
This baby we're adopting,
713
00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:51,197
what if we can't protect him?
714
00:34:03,775 --> 00:34:05,495
People of Los Angeles
have sent a message.
715
00:34:06,645 --> 00:34:08,190
No more disasters
like McMartin and Rodney King.
716
00:34:08,214 --> 00:34:09,724
No mistakes on my watch.
Is that clear?
717
00:34:09,748 --> 00:34:10,716
Mr. Garcetti,
I have no intention
718
00:34:10,749 --> 00:34:12,318
of losing Menendez.
719
00:34:12,351 --> 00:34:14,120
Winning is a given, Ms. Ferrero.
720
00:34:14,153 --> 00:34:15,454
Bozanich.
721
00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:16,855
I got married recently.
722
00:34:16,888 --> 00:34:18,324
Bozanich.
723
00:34:18,357 --> 00:34:20,592
You grew up in Palos Verdes,
didn't you?
724
00:34:20,626 --> 00:34:23,595
Went to Wellesley,
all that fancy upbringing?
725
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:28,334
I need to know
if you can go for the jugular.
726
00:34:28,367 --> 00:34:31,603
I was born to be
a prosecutor, Mr. Garcetti.
727
00:34:31,637 --> 00:34:33,339
Tomorrow, we'll hear from
the Supreme Court
728
00:34:33,372 --> 00:34:34,716
on the Oziel tapes...
I need you to get the trial
729
00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:36,275
moved downtown.
730
00:34:36,308 --> 00:34:37,443
A majority black jury
731
00:34:37,476 --> 00:34:38,877
will see the Menendez brothers
732
00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:40,679
for the entitled, rich punks
that they are.
733
00:34:40,712 --> 00:34:43,182
They won't cut them any slack.
734
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:52,291
Leslie Abramson's office...
735
00:35:00,799 --> 00:35:02,601
They ruled out the December tape
736
00:35:02,634 --> 00:35:04,836
of Erik and Lyle.
737
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:09,608
Am I nuts, or did we
just win something?
738
00:35:09,641 --> 00:35:11,510
Don't count your chickens.
739
00:35:11,543 --> 00:35:13,379
They're allowing Oziel's
audio notes
740
00:35:13,412 --> 00:35:14,713
of Erik's confession.
741
00:35:14,746 --> 00:35:16,648
Well, it's half a victory.
I'll take it.
742
00:35:16,682 --> 00:35:18,284
That was the last chance Texaco.
743
00:35:18,317 --> 00:35:21,653
There's no court left
to appeal to.
744
00:35:21,687 --> 00:35:23,655
So now we know
what the prosecution's
745
00:35:23,689 --> 00:35:26,658
gonna do at trial.
We gotta build our case.
746
00:35:26,692 --> 00:35:28,794
Sexual abuse led to the murders.
747
00:35:28,827 --> 00:35:31,330
That will explain Erik
killing his father,
748
00:35:31,363 --> 00:35:33,599
but until Lyle says
Jose molested him too,
749
00:35:33,632 --> 00:35:35,367
the jury won't see
the connection.
750
00:35:35,401 --> 00:35:37,669
Well, he acted to protect
his brother from abuse,
751
00:35:37,703 --> 00:35:40,239
just as he tried to
do when Erik was 12.
752
00:35:40,272 --> 00:35:41,949
There are other ways
of protecting your brother
753
00:35:41,973 --> 00:35:43,775
short of killing your parents.
754
00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:46,278
The jury needs to see
the whole picture.
755
00:35:46,312 --> 00:35:48,747
Both parents
abused both brothers.
756
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:51,817
If the jury senses
that there's a piece missing,
757
00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:53,852
that Jose molested Lyle too,
758
00:35:53,885 --> 00:35:56,422
they're gonna think
we're trying to hide something.
759
00:35:56,455 --> 00:35:57,856
So we can build our defense,
760
00:35:57,889 --> 00:35:59,358
but it's not gonna hold up
761
00:35:59,391 --> 00:36:01,360
until Lyle comes clean.
762
00:36:07,766 --> 00:36:09,801
The grand jury has returned
two counts each
763
00:36:09,835 --> 00:36:11,570
of firstdegree murder,
764
00:36:11,603 --> 00:36:13,472
and a charge of conspiracy,
765
00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:15,207
against Lyle and Erik Menendez.
766
00:36:15,241 --> 00:36:17,909
The district attorney
will seek the death penalty.
767
00:36:17,943 --> 00:36:18,977
Judge Ito,
768
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:20,812
this is extreme and unwarranted.
769
00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:22,848
The DA is overreaching.
770
00:36:22,881 --> 00:36:24,550
Noted, Ms. Abramson.
771
00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:25,951
Let's talk venue.
772
00:36:25,984 --> 00:36:27,919
Your Honor, this case
needs to come downtown,
773
00:36:27,953 --> 00:36:29,555
so that justice can be serve...
774
00:36:29,588 --> 00:36:30,898
I know what you want,
Ms. Bozanich,
775
00:36:30,922 --> 00:36:32,958
but the downtown calendar
is full
776
00:36:32,991 --> 00:36:34,693
and this portends to be a long
777
00:36:34,726 --> 00:36:36,528
and complicated trial.
778
00:36:36,562 --> 00:36:37,929
I am therefore calendaring it
779
00:36:37,963 --> 00:36:39,665
for Judge Weisberg's court
780
00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:41,700
in Van Nuys. Have a nice drive.
781
00:36:44,403 --> 00:36:46,372
That's good for us, honey.
782
00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:56,682
I know it's a burden on you
to come here.
783
00:36:56,715 --> 00:36:58,025
If you can only manage
once a week,
784
00:36:58,049 --> 00:36:59,651
I won't mind.
785
00:36:59,685 --> 00:37:01,920
I'm sorry, Erik.
786
00:37:06,458 --> 00:37:07,493
I tried.
787
00:37:07,526 --> 00:37:08,760
I really tried. I just
788
00:37:08,794 --> 00:37:10,696
can't stop picturing you
789
00:37:10,729 --> 00:37:11,797
holding that shotgun.
790
00:37:11,830 --> 00:37:13,832
Please don't do that.
791
00:37:13,865 --> 00:37:16,034
It wasn't me.
792
00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:18,537
I mean, I did it,
but it's not who I am.
793
00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:21,807
Part of me knows that. I just...
794
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,444
I can't forget.
795
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:38,490
It's okay, Noelle. I understand.
796
00:37:38,524 --> 00:37:41,460
I hope everything
turns out well for you, Erik.
797
00:37:51,703 --> 00:37:53,405
It was so stupid of me
798
00:37:53,439 --> 00:37:54,940
to say that to Oziel.
799
00:37:54,973 --> 00:37:56,442
I wasn't threatening him,
800
00:37:56,475 --> 00:37:59,077
but sometimes I say things
like my dad.
801
00:37:59,110 --> 00:38:01,347
I just couldn't believe
Erik told him.
802
00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:03,782
I love my brother,
and this all started
803
00:38:03,815 --> 00:38:05,484
because I was trying
to protect him.
804
00:38:05,517 --> 00:38:07,085
From your father.
805
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,955
Yes. He told me Dad was still
doing that stuff to him.
806
00:38:09,988 --> 00:38:12,691
I d... I didn't know. I...
807
00:38:12,724 --> 00:38:13,835
And he was such
an intelligent man.
808
00:38:13,859 --> 00:38:15,060
He was... he was a great man.
809
00:38:15,093 --> 00:38:16,862
Why couldn't he just stop it?
810
00:38:19,931 --> 00:38:22,568
When Erik told you,
what did you do?
811
00:38:22,601 --> 00:38:24,603
I confronted Dad,
812
00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:26,638
and then things just went crazy.
813
00:38:26,672 --> 00:38:29,775
We knew they were gonna kill us.
814
00:38:29,808 --> 00:38:31,577
Dad always threatened that...
815
00:38:31,610 --> 00:38:34,613
That he could kill us
and get a new family.
816
00:38:34,646 --> 00:38:37,449
He had guns upstairs.
He was capable of that.
817
00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:41,119
But I thought for sure
818
00:38:41,152 --> 00:38:42,721
after I confronted him
when Erik was 12,
819
00:38:42,754 --> 00:38:44,055
he stopped hurting him,
820
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:45,724
because that's about
how old I was
821
00:38:45,757 --> 00:38:48,427
when he stopped molesting me.
822
00:39:12,951 --> 00:39:15,487
And it all came out after that.
823
00:39:15,521 --> 00:39:17,756
The abuse started
when Lyle was six
824
00:39:17,789 --> 00:39:19,491
and ended when he was 10,
825
00:39:19,525 --> 00:39:22,494
and then Jose turned
all of his attention to Erik.
826
00:39:22,528 --> 00:39:25,697
And 11 years later,
he kills his father.
827
00:39:25,731 --> 00:39:28,033
Eleven years of scar tissue
building up over his anger.
828
00:39:28,066 --> 00:39:29,735
It's like a volcano dome
829
00:39:29,768 --> 00:39:31,470
building up over boiling lava.
830
00:39:31,503 --> 00:39:33,639
One day, that volcano
blows its top.
831
00:39:33,672 --> 00:39:34,873
And yet he keeps saying
832
00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:37,075
what a great man his father was.
833
00:39:37,108 --> 00:39:40,479
Right, he's idealizing
his abuser.
834
00:39:40,512 --> 00:39:43,549
It's a coping mechanism
when the victim
835
00:39:43,582 --> 00:39:45,817
is in an ongoing relationship
with his abuser.
836
00:39:45,851 --> 00:39:47,185
I mean, in many ways, he's...
837
00:39:47,218 --> 00:39:50,456
He's patterned himself
after his dad.
838
00:39:50,489 --> 00:39:51,723
Lyle said
839
00:39:51,757 --> 00:39:53,167
he thought his parents
would kill them,
840
00:39:53,191 --> 00:39:54,660
and Erik said the same thing.
841
00:39:54,693 --> 00:39:56,161
Do you believe them?
842
00:39:56,194 --> 00:39:57,663
I believe they genuinely thought
843
00:39:57,696 --> 00:39:59,465
their lives were in danger.
844
00:39:59,498 --> 00:40:00,799
Longterm abuse victims
845
00:40:00,832 --> 00:40:02,768
are often hypervigilant
846
00:40:02,801 --> 00:40:04,169
to the smallest threat.
847
00:40:04,202 --> 00:40:07,573
They exaggerate them
in their own minds.
848
00:40:07,606 --> 00:40:09,441
Thanks, Jon.
849
00:40:15,981 --> 00:40:18,684
So now we have our last piece.
850
00:40:18,717 --> 00:40:20,085
What are you thinking?
851
00:40:20,118 --> 00:40:23,455
Imperfect selfdefense.
852
00:40:23,489 --> 00:40:24,923
These boys were abused
853
00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:26,558
from the age of six.
854
00:40:26,592 --> 00:40:28,594
They grew up with no sense
855
00:40:28,627 --> 00:40:30,496
of feeling protected
by their parents.
856
00:40:30,529 --> 00:40:33,732
This is what
a little faggot does.
857
00:40:33,765 --> 00:40:35,200
Beaten into submission...
858
00:40:35,233 --> 00:40:36,234
Fear me.
859
00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:38,036
Terrified into keeping secrets,
860
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:39,104
sick secrets.
861
00:40:39,137 --> 00:40:41,006
Wrong! What will I do?
862
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:43,108
- You'll kill me.
- That's right.
863
00:40:43,141 --> 00:40:44,976
When they finally
stood up to their parents
864
00:40:45,010 --> 00:40:47,112
and threatened to spill
those secrets,
865
00:40:47,145 --> 00:40:48,847
they were made to believe
866
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,649
that their parents
would kill them.
867
00:40:50,682 --> 00:40:51,717
A genuine
868
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:53,552
but unreasonable belief
869
00:40:53,585 --> 00:40:54,586
that their lives
870
00:40:54,620 --> 00:40:55,987
were in imminent danger.
871
00:41:05,931 --> 00:41:09,000
So they shot their parents
in selfdefense?
872
00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:13,004
Imperfect selfdefense?
873
00:41:13,038 --> 00:41:15,507
I believe that.
874
00:41:15,541 --> 00:41:16,742
Do you?
875
00:41:16,775 --> 00:41:19,010
Yes.
876
00:41:19,044 --> 00:41:22,648
And do you believe them?
The abuse?
877
00:41:26,918 --> 00:41:28,987
Yes, I believe them.
878
00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:33,759
I believe in our case.
879
00:41:34,305 --> 00:41:40,940
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