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Al:
On November the 15th, 1959,
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a father, a mother,
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and their two teenage children
were murdered.
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**
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Edwards: Who could have any
reason to kill them?
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All the potential leads
just did not pan out.
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Al: When we developed
the photographs,
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we were able to see
a boot print
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that one could not observe
with the naked eye.
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They knew that there was
a potential of a second suspect.
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Man: "I came out of prison
embittered, ruthless,
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and emotionally unstable."
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Man #2: "I'll wait till they
catch me, if they do."
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**
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Man:
The Hickock investigation
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took us to Kansas City,
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where we learned that Hickock
had passed a hot check
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for $192 at Elko Camera Shop
back on November 21st.
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He had been working
at Sand's Paint Shop in Olathe,
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and we interviewed Bob Sands,
owner of the paint shop.
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He told us that Hickock
had been working for him,
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but didn't show up
after November 20th.
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When he last seen him, Hickock
said, "See you in the morning."
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On the 9th, we put out an arrest
warrant for Richard E. Hickock
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for bad checks.
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We also obtained
a search warrant
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for the Hickock family farm.
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Troutner: The Hickock family,
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the parents Walter and Eunice,
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were very liked
and respected in Edgerton.
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But pretty early after
the Hickocks moved here,
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people started
finding out about Dick.
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Being a petty thief,
being a charming con man.
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Hickock was someone who could
fool you into thinking
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that he was a fine,
upstanding citizen,
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and then when you had
your back turned,
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commit any number of crimes.
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Troutner: There was
a point when Mr. Hickock,
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the dad, would give a horse
to a family or a store owner
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kind of payback for what
Dick had took from them.
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Crable: "We are sorry our kid
stole from you, have a horse.
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Lets forget that
this ever happened."
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And, so, that became [Laughs]
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kind of a running gag in town.
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You knew how much trouble
Hickock was in
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by the number of horses
that were on his father's land.
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Welch: The KBI visited
Hickock's parents
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and developed
the alleged itinerary
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of Hickock and Smith
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that particular weekend.
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Man: Mrs. Hickock told us that
her son Richard and Perry Smith
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had made a trip to
Fort Scott, Kansas,
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on Saturday, November 14th,
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and that they were to locate
a sister of Smith's.
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Mrs. Hickock told us that
Richard had not returned home
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until just before lunch
on November 15th.
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She claimed that she had not
seen Richard since that morning.
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We told Mrs. Hickock that we'd
like to search the premises.
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We found a bloody shirt
in the drawer.
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Then we found something else
in the closet.
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That's where Nye spots
the shotgun
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that Hickock had purchased
on credit in Olathe.
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I think every third Kansan
had a 12-gauge shotgun probably.
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That wouldn't be surprising,
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but Nye later said that
he actually felt excitement
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when he picked
that shotgun up
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and really felt they were
on the right trail.
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Man: Outside Kansas City,
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we interviewed Hickock's
second ex-wife,
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Margaret Edna Sanders.
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She described Richard Hickock
as having a violent temper
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that was easily aroused.
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He drinks liquor, usually
screwdrivers, and a lot of beer,
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smokes Marlboro or Pall Mall
cigarettes,
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likes to dance,
and is a lover of music.
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The next day, we interviewed
Dick's first ex-wife, Carol.
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She said that since he's got
out of the penitentiary,
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Hickock usually called the house
at least once a week.
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The last contact she had
with him was on November 19th,
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two days before he was
last spotted in the area.
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Man #2: "I was born
June 6, 1931, in Kansas City.
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We were always what you'd call
semi-poor --
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never down and out,
but always on the verge of it.
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Dad was a hard worker, and
done his best to provide for us.
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He was always strict.
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My mother was always neat, and
we had clean clothes aplenty.
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Hammon:
I thought he was good-looking.
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He didn't look like
an ordinary high school guy.
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Troutner: He had a way with
the ladies, and men, too.
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Just kind of winning them over,
getting their friendship,
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their trust.
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LeBert-Corbello: He excelled
at whatever he did --
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basketball, girlfriends...
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It wasn't until after the wreck
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that he started changing.
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[Thunder rumbling]
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Man: "He was working with me.
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I run a body and fender shop
in Gardner, Kansas,
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for Rourke Motor Company,
and he was my helper."
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The dad sent Dick to Olathe
for some car parts.
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Man: "Water on the highway
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caused him to lose control
of his car.
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He was ejected from the car."
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Troutner: He landed face down
in this ditch of water,
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and a passerby that had been
behind him stopped
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and ran over and pulled him
out of the ditch.
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He probably would've drowned.
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He suffered a dislocated jaw,
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and something happened
where an eye
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was askew from the other one.
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He had serious major head
injuries from that car wreck.
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You look at his eyes,
they are not in line.
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they're like...
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His personality was
a little different.
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It wasn't the happy-go-lucky guy
like he used to be.
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Man: "I was fired,
and in the condition I was in,
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couldn't find another job,
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but I had met a girl
and fallen in love.
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In July of '51, we were married.
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All hell broke loose
from her dad
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until he learned
she was pregnant,
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but still he never
wished me good luck."
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LeBert-Corbello: Carol married
Dick at about 16 years old,
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and she absolutely adored him.
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Dick was really good
to his wife,
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and, especially,
his little boys.
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Woman:
"Dick was an excellent father.
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I loved watching him
play with our boys.
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But he was a womanizer.
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Although he loved me, he loved
any other woman he could."
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Man: "In the early part of 1957,
I met this girl by the name
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of Margaret Sanders at work.
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To make a long story short,
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we became real intimate
in our relations.
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He fathered another child
with her.
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At this point in his life,
Hickock is pretty destitute
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and hopeless.
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He's tried playing the role
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of father and good husband.
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He's failed at that.
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He's with the mistress,
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and things are looking
very bleak.
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Man: "I started drinking
real heavy after that,
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and was drunk
for almost a month.
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The first time in my life
that I had ever done that.
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I started neglecting
my businesses,
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spending more money than I
was earning, writing bad checks,
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and in the end,
becoming a thief."
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Crable: Hickock had stolen
some firearms,
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and he tried to sell them
at a pawn shop
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in downtown Kansas City.
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Man: "Dick was arrested.
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He was sentenced
to Lansing Penitentiary
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for 5 years."
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LeBert-Corbello:
It was enough time for him
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to stew over the fact
that he was poor,
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and he wanted a quick way
to get rich,
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to get the big score.
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**
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Tedrow:
It seemed like for a while,
time just went pretty slow.
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Every day not knowing
what was going on,
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every day something new
you would hear.
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Was it true? Was it not?
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Frack: That's why you're better
if you don't think about it.
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You couldn't do anything
about it until we found out
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who did it.
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Tedrow:
There was some feeling like,
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"Will anybody ever
have to pay for this?"
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**
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Man: "After we crossed back
into the States,
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we took a bus
and hitchhiked to Barstow.
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We had to lighten our load
for hitchhiking,
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so we mailed
most of our belongings
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general delivery to Las Vegas.
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We'd pick them up COD later.
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Our only purpose
for returning to the U.S.
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was to pull a score big enough
to finance a trip to Brazil
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where they couldn't extradite
us back to the States
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if they ever caught on
to who pulled the Clutter deal.
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We hitchhiked east,
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made it to Iowa where we stole
a car parked in a yard.
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Finally ended up back
in Kansas City, my hometown.
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**
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I started on one of the most
cautious check-passing sprees
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that part of the country
had ever seen.
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We were hotter than a pistol
because of the checks
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we passed before.
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I cashed over $500
worth of checks.
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How I managed to do it
without getting busted,
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I can't imagine."
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[Telephone rings]
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Man: While agents Nye,
Church, and myself
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were at the Wyandotte County
Sheriff's Office,
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a call came in from the
Furniture Mart located
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at 3206 Brown Avenue
in Kansas City
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that a bogus check had been used
the night before to purchase
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a new Olympic television set.
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Went to the furniture mart
where employees
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positively identified Hickock.
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While we were at
the Furniture Mart,
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the subjects attempted
to cash another check
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at Walt's Service Station
in Kansas City.
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The son of the station owner
recognized Hickock.
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They had gone
to school together.
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He refused to cash the check,
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stating that he had
a drawer full of them.
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We cruised the Kansas City area
in search for the car
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or subjects
with negative results.
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**
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Man: On December 18th,
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we interviewed
Mrs. Dorothy Marchant,
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the sister
of Perry Edward Smith.
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Mrs. Marchant told us that she
was afraid of Perry Smith,
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and that she had
very little to do with him.
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She considered he was a lot
like his father.
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They both did not respect
the rights of others,
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nor did they care
how they lived.
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Mrs. Marchant told us that
when they were young,
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they suffered severe hardships.
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Man: "My father was
a farmer, trapper,
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and quite a famous
Bronco rider in rodeos
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during his younger days.
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Our family was my brother James,
my sister Fern,
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my sister Dorothy, and myself.
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My mother was also
a country girl
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and later became a lady champion
Bronco rider.
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She was an Indian.
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Her maiden name was Buckskin."
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His mom was a rodeo star.
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The rodeo culture
got woven into their life.
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Perry's dad was Irish, and
his mom was full-blood Indian.
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I guess that's why he got
along with my dad, Joe,
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because they were
both half-breeds.
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Man: "At some point
our family moved to Juneau
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where my father was
making hooch, a bootlegger.
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I believe it was during
this period my mother
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became acquainted with alcohol.
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I remember my mother
was entertaining some sailors
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while my father was away.
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When he came home, my father
threw the sailors out
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after a violent struggle
and proceeded to beat my mother.
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I was scared.
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Mom ended up taking us kids
to San Francisco.
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She ran off with dad's truck,
leaving him behind in jail,
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where she had him put.
248
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In Frisco, I run as free
and wild as a coyote.
249
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My mother was always drunk,
250
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never in a fit condition
to properly provide
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and care for us.
252
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There was no rule or discipline
253
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or anyone to show me
right from wrong.
254
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I had stole so many things
from so many stores,
255
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I lost track of which was first.
256
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I was sent away to school.
257
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I wet the bed every night.
258
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This was very humiliating,
but I couldn't control myself.
259
00:12:50,403 --> 00:12:54,241
I was severely beaten
by the cottage mistress."
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Back in those days,
you wouldn't want to believe
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that the nuns were so mean,
but they were that mean,
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they were that strict.
They were punishing.
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Man: "One evening, she hit me
with her flashlight.
264
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I still carry the scar
on my penis.
265
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She almost severed it
completely off.
266
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She was later discharged,
267
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but this never changed my mind
268
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about what I wished
I could have done to her
269
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and all the people
who made fun of me."
270
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Man: "Mrs. Marchant told us that
she was afraid of Perry Smith,
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and in the event the Kansas
officers talked to him,
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she requested that he not be
advised of her present address.
273
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Ms. Marchant also told us
that she had never lived
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in Fort Scott, Kansas."
275
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That was the alibi
that they had come up with,
276
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and of course,
that was all a ruse.
277
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That wasn't true at all.
278
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[Indistinct chatter]
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Man: "It was agreed that
the county would conduct
280
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a daily press conference."
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Uh, I have no comment
in regards to that.
282
00:13:57,470 --> 00:13:59,572
"Handling the news people
who were arriving
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was a matter to deal with.
284
00:14:01,508 --> 00:14:04,644
One morning, the sheriff's
secretary interrupted my gloom.
285
00:14:04,677 --> 00:14:08,348
She ushered in a woman and
a short, small man
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wrapped in a long scarf.
287
00:14:11,051 --> 00:14:13,253
'Mr. Dewey, I am Truman Capote,
288
00:14:13,286 --> 00:14:16,156
and this is my friend
Nelle Harper Lee.
289
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She is a writer, too.'"
290
00:14:18,191 --> 00:14:19,559
[Laughs]
291
00:14:19,592 --> 00:14:21,461
Just right on in.
292
00:14:21,494 --> 00:14:23,363
[Indistinct chatter]
293
00:14:23,396 --> 00:14:27,167
Clarke: Truman had been a famous
writer since the 1940s.
294
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He had written short stories,
which were widely read.
295
00:14:32,405 --> 00:14:34,674
And because of his demeanor
296
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and his way of doing things,
he became rather famous.
297
00:14:38,178 --> 00:14:42,082
He was in the newspaper columns,
the gossip columns all the time.
298
00:14:42,115 --> 00:14:46,419
Not making a whole lot of money,
but he became very well known.
299
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Man: [Capote-style accent]
"Then, one morning
300
00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,589
in November 1959,
301
00:14:49,622 --> 00:14:51,992
while flicking through
The New York Times,
302
00:14:52,025 --> 00:14:55,462
I encountered on a deep
inside page this headline,
303
00:14:55,495 --> 00:14:59,266
'Wealthy Farmer,
3 of Family Slain.'
304
00:14:59,299 --> 00:15:01,434
I thought about it
all that November day
305
00:15:01,468 --> 00:15:03,603
and part of the next."
306
00:15:03,636 --> 00:15:05,172
Clarke:
The killers had not been caught,
307
00:15:05,205 --> 00:15:06,706
but Truman didn't
care about that.
308
00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:09,076
What he cared about
was the effect
309
00:15:09,109 --> 00:15:10,944
these killings would have
on this little town,
310
00:15:10,978 --> 00:15:13,446
because he knew little towns,
he'd grown up in little towns,
311
00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,950
he spent much of his life
in a little town in the South.
312
00:15:16,984 --> 00:15:19,686
He was a little nervous
about going to Kansas.
313
00:15:19,719 --> 00:15:22,189
Truman looked for someone
to go along with him,
314
00:15:22,222 --> 00:15:23,556
and he talked to a friend
of his.
315
00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:26,559
Um, he talked to,
um, Harper Lee,
316
00:15:26,593 --> 00:15:30,998
who had just written a novel
called "To Kill a Mockingbird,"
317
00:15:31,031 --> 00:15:33,266
but it had not been published.
318
00:15:33,300 --> 00:15:35,468
Truman and Harper Lee
had been neighbors
319
00:15:35,502 --> 00:15:37,404
in Monroeville, Alabama.
320
00:15:37,437 --> 00:15:40,974
She was a year younger,
but she was sort of the boss.
321
00:15:41,008 --> 00:15:42,575
Truman was too soft
for the boys,
322
00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:45,478
and Nelle was too hard
for the girls.
323
00:15:45,512 --> 00:15:47,547
She was very assertive.
324
00:15:47,580 --> 00:15:49,082
Man: [Capote-style accent]
"She is a gifted woman,
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courageous, and with a warmth
326
00:15:51,084 --> 00:15:53,553
that instantly kindles
most people.
327
00:15:53,586 --> 00:15:56,289
Feeling at loose ends, she said
she would accompany me
328
00:15:56,323 --> 00:15:58,691
in the role of
assistant researchist.
329
00:15:58,725 --> 00:16:01,094
It was twilight
when we arrived."
330
00:16:01,128 --> 00:16:05,098
**
331
00:16:05,132 --> 00:16:06,566
Man:
"That day was the first time
332
00:16:06,599 --> 00:16:09,269
I set eyes on Truman Capote.
333
00:16:09,302 --> 00:16:13,273
He said, 'What I'm here for
is to do a very special story
334
00:16:13,306 --> 00:16:14,741
on the family.
335
00:16:14,774 --> 00:16:16,276
It doesn't make any
difference to me
336
00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:18,378
if the case is even solved.'
337
00:16:18,411 --> 00:16:22,415
Well, he could've talked
all day without saying that.
338
00:16:22,449 --> 00:16:24,217
It made one hell
of a difference to me."
339
00:16:24,251 --> 00:16:25,752
Clarke:
He was right to be nervous,
340
00:16:25,785 --> 00:16:27,754
because when he went out there,
341
00:16:27,787 --> 00:16:32,325
they looked on Truman as if he
had just arrived on a spaceship
342
00:16:32,359 --> 00:16:33,293
from Mars.
343
00:16:33,326 --> 00:16:34,794
It didn't go very well.
344
00:16:34,827 --> 00:16:38,765
They didn't want to divulge
details to strangers.
345
00:16:38,798 --> 00:16:40,400
So they shut them down.
346
00:16:40,433 --> 00:16:42,435
A number of people just turned
on their heels,
347
00:16:42,469 --> 00:16:44,137
and said, "I don't
want to talk about it".
348
00:16:44,171 --> 00:16:45,438
Well, when he came in,
349
00:16:45,472 --> 00:16:46,773
he was such a little fella,
I thought,
350
00:16:46,806 --> 00:16:48,308
"Well, who's
this little kid coming in?"
351
00:16:48,341 --> 00:16:50,043
[Laughs]
352
00:16:50,077 --> 00:16:52,712
But some don't think they
should let him in Garden City.
353
00:16:52,745 --> 00:16:55,748
"Why didn't they keep him out?"
354
00:16:58,818 --> 00:17:05,425
**
355
00:17:05,458 --> 00:17:07,327
Edwards: "We were all looking
forward to several days
356
00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:10,130
at Herbert's
this Thanksgiving.
357
00:17:10,163 --> 00:17:11,098
Herbert and Bonnie had planned
358
00:17:11,131 --> 00:17:13,066
for the Clutter family
Thanksgiving dinner
359
00:17:13,100 --> 00:17:15,335
to be at their home
near Holcomb.
360
00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:17,170
We had already received
the invitation
361
00:17:17,204 --> 00:17:19,506
in the mail
before this happened."
362
00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:21,374
Woman: "Dear family,
it is time we had
363
00:17:21,408 --> 00:17:24,511
a family reunion long enough
to really get acquainted again.
364
00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:27,314
We were all so excited,
and they were so --
365
00:17:27,347 --> 00:17:28,848
Herbert was so excited.
366
00:17:28,881 --> 00:17:31,184
He's going to have us
all out there.
367
00:17:31,218 --> 00:17:34,654
Woman: "Activities will include
gabbing, games of all kinds,
368
00:17:34,687 --> 00:17:37,724
hunting, horseback riding,
after-dinner naps,
369
00:17:37,757 --> 00:17:40,593
eating, TV, football games."
370
00:17:40,627 --> 00:17:42,629
So she had it
very well organized.
371
00:17:42,662 --> 00:17:43,630
[Laughs]
372
00:17:43,663 --> 00:17:45,265
"We will have good bed space
373
00:17:45,298 --> 00:17:47,167
for 17 adults, and floor space
374
00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,137
for all the kids
and a baby bed available."
375
00:17:50,170 --> 00:17:52,339
Edwards: "There had not been
a big Thanksgiving gathering
376
00:17:52,372 --> 00:17:55,875
since Grandma Clutter died
in 1954."
377
00:17:55,908 --> 00:17:58,411
And I know it would
have been a great time,
378
00:17:58,445 --> 00:18:02,182
and, boy, did somebody ruin it.
379
00:18:02,215 --> 00:18:04,117
Woman: Yeah,
they had a family reunion,
380
00:18:04,151 --> 00:18:06,619
just not the way
they planned it.
381
00:18:09,922 --> 00:18:13,426
Here's something from
Truman Capote
382
00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:19,499
asking to show
around the farm.
383
00:18:19,532 --> 00:18:23,536
That was the only request
they've ever had.
384
00:18:23,570 --> 00:18:27,407
Shields: Truman asked permission
to walk around the house,
385
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,609
and got permission for Nelle
and Truman
386
00:18:29,642 --> 00:18:32,779
to come on the property
and come into the house.
387
00:18:32,812 --> 00:18:36,216
Edwards: There was Capote
standing in front of the house,
388
00:18:36,249 --> 00:18:41,354
and I just felt so angry,
like he had no business there,
389
00:18:41,388 --> 00:18:46,326
and it seemed like
a real invasion.
390
00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:47,860
**
391
00:18:47,894 --> 00:18:50,530
Shields:
The house seemed haunted.
392
00:18:50,563 --> 00:18:53,533
All that was missing
were the people.
393
00:18:53,566 --> 00:18:56,503
And the rooms had been,
of course,
394
00:18:56,536 --> 00:18:58,905
cleaned after the murder scene,
395
00:18:58,938 --> 00:19:04,611
but they really had a sense of
entering into the inner sanctum.
396
00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:06,679
Woman:
That was very disappointing,
397
00:19:06,713 --> 00:19:08,248
very disappointing.
398
00:19:08,281 --> 00:19:10,950
I understand people have
to make their living,
399
00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:15,555
but it's sad that it has to come
off of somebody else's tragedy,
400
00:19:15,588 --> 00:19:17,657
and I can remember them
saying at the time,
401
00:19:17,690 --> 00:19:19,559
"I wish we had just
torn the house down,"
402
00:19:19,592 --> 00:19:24,964
because that's not the way
you want to remember your home.
403
00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:28,201
[Wind whistling]
404
00:19:28,235 --> 00:19:30,737
-Do you remember that picture?
-I know.
405
00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:33,973
-What year is that?
-1950.
406
00:19:34,006 --> 00:19:36,776
1950.
407
00:19:36,809 --> 00:19:38,978
I looked pretty good
in those days.
408
00:19:39,011 --> 00:19:41,948
Too bad time
changes things.
409
00:19:41,981 --> 00:19:43,650
Cullivan:
When I was in the army
410
00:19:43,683 --> 00:19:45,718
back about the time
of the Korean war,
411
00:19:45,752 --> 00:19:47,520
I was training,
412
00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:49,689
and we had a fellow
who joined us
413
00:19:49,722 --> 00:19:52,525
and he was almost finished
with his service.
414
00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:54,427
We were bunkmates.
415
00:19:54,461 --> 00:19:57,497
His name was
Perry Edward Smith
416
00:19:57,530 --> 00:20:01,401
and he was an excellent
equipment operator.
417
00:20:01,434 --> 00:20:04,437
He always had a smile
on his face,
418
00:20:04,471 --> 00:20:08,308
but he never talked
about his family.
419
00:20:08,341 --> 00:20:10,977
His mother abandoned the family,
420
00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:15,014
she died of
an alcoholic overdose.
421
00:20:15,047 --> 00:20:18,851
The brother committed suicide.
422
00:20:18,885 --> 00:20:23,723
The sister, she probably
also committed suicide.
423
00:20:23,756 --> 00:20:26,526
He did also have one sister
who was living in California
424
00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:29,596
and had a real life.
425
00:20:29,629 --> 00:20:31,531
He joined the army,
426
00:20:31,564 --> 00:20:34,767
and this was at the time
of the height of the Korean war,
427
00:20:34,801 --> 00:20:37,036
but he never saw much action.
428
00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:39,872
He started drinking
heavily and carousing,
429
00:20:39,906 --> 00:20:42,008
getting into fights.
430
00:20:42,041 --> 00:20:44,944
Man: "I had many violent
bursts of anger.
431
00:20:44,977 --> 00:20:47,314
I was in Korea 15 months
432
00:20:47,347 --> 00:20:51,618
and finished my army service
in Fort Lewis, Washington."
433
00:20:51,651 --> 00:20:53,586
Cullivan: Around Christmastime,
434
00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:56,055
I decided I was
going to take home leave,
435
00:20:56,088 --> 00:20:59,058
and I had a very nice
leather jacket,
436
00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:01,994
and Perry asked me if he
could borrow this jacket
437
00:21:02,028 --> 00:21:05,498
because he had
rented a motorcycle.
438
00:21:05,532 --> 00:21:11,003
When I came back, Perry was
gone, my jacket was gone.
439
00:21:11,037 --> 00:21:16,409
**
440
00:21:16,443 --> 00:21:20,713
[Crashing]
441
00:21:20,747 --> 00:21:22,682
[Monitor beeping]
442
00:21:22,715 --> 00:21:26,419
He had slid on some sandy patch
443
00:21:26,453 --> 00:21:29,589
and really messed up his legs.
444
00:21:29,622 --> 00:21:33,793
He was lucky that they weren't
amputated, they were so bad.
445
00:21:33,826 --> 00:21:37,430
Man: "I spent about a year
in the hospital.
446
00:21:37,464 --> 00:21:43,035
Shattered left leg,
broken hip, broken left arm."
447
00:21:43,069 --> 00:21:48,608
He used to take aspirin, 2 or 3
at a time, not with water,
448
00:21:48,641 --> 00:21:52,412
he would chew them
to kill the pain.
449
00:21:52,445 --> 00:21:54,414
Man: "After my accident,
450
00:21:54,447 --> 00:21:57,350
I stayed with a friend
till spring."
451
00:21:57,384 --> 00:22:00,887
Perry Smith was kind of
a unique part of our family.
452
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,790
I wasn't even born yet when
my parents first met him.
453
00:22:03,823 --> 00:22:06,959
I was born
Jewell Perry William James,
454
00:22:06,993 --> 00:22:11,664
and Perry was my dad's friend,
so I was named after him.
455
00:22:11,698 --> 00:22:14,367
When I was about 5,
Perry showed up.
456
00:22:14,401 --> 00:22:16,569
Most children have
a fear of strangers,
457
00:22:16,603 --> 00:22:19,839
but even before I'd
seen him, I had this...
458
00:22:19,872 --> 00:22:22,709
"Something's not right."
459
00:22:22,742 --> 00:22:25,111
I closed my eyes,
I covered my ears,
460
00:22:25,144 --> 00:22:27,547
I wouldn't look at him,
I wouldn't listen to him.
461
00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:30,717
Something about him scared me.
462
00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:32,619
Since I was named
after him,
463
00:22:32,652 --> 00:22:34,454
I guess I was supposed
to be his friend.
464
00:22:34,487 --> 00:22:38,391
And, so that summer,
he had bought a Model A Ford.
465
00:22:38,425 --> 00:22:39,992
We all loaded on it.
466
00:22:40,026 --> 00:22:42,128
We picked dandelions
out of a field,
467
00:22:42,161 --> 00:22:44,731
and Perry and my dad
made dandelion wine.
468
00:22:44,764 --> 00:22:46,666
It seemed to me that
he was pretty happy
469
00:22:46,699 --> 00:22:48,601
with the people here, you know.
470
00:22:48,635 --> 00:22:50,503
I think probably
if he stayed here,
471
00:22:50,537 --> 00:22:53,806
he would have been, he'd
probably be alive yet, you know?
472
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,609
But he left.
473
00:22:56,643 --> 00:22:59,746
You know, and we never
heard from him again.
474
00:23:01,514 --> 00:23:04,150
We found out later he was
in communications
475
00:23:04,183 --> 00:23:08,555
with a colleague
that was in prison with him.
476
00:23:08,588 --> 00:23:10,557
Bascue: Both of them ended up
at the same prison
477
00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:13,626
and developed some type
of a friendship.
478
00:23:13,660 --> 00:23:15,027
During that friendship,
479
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,996
Dick Hickock
had come up with a plan
480
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:19,966
that he was going to rob the
Clutter family of their money,
481
00:23:19,999 --> 00:23:22,935
and that he wasn't going
to leave any witnesses.
482
00:23:22,969 --> 00:23:28,040
But he didn't have, uh, the
nerve himself to carry it out.
483
00:23:28,074 --> 00:23:31,143
And that's why he had enlisted
the help of Perry Smith.
484
00:23:31,177 --> 00:23:34,681
Man: "Perry had told Hickock
that prior to 1955,
485
00:23:34,714 --> 00:23:37,717
he had killed a black man
by clubbing him to death."
486
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:40,520
Bascue: It's possible that
this story was developed
487
00:23:40,553 --> 00:23:42,489
to make him look
a little bit tougher
488
00:23:42,522 --> 00:23:44,190
so people would leave
him alone in prison,
489
00:23:44,223 --> 00:23:46,493
and Dick Hickock
believed the story.
490
00:23:46,526 --> 00:23:47,494
LeBert-Corbello:
Dick thought that he would be
491
00:23:47,527 --> 00:23:50,563
a good accomplice because
in case they needed
492
00:23:50,597 --> 00:23:52,632
to kill someone,
he knew Perry would do it,
493
00:23:52,665 --> 00:23:54,734
and he wouldn't have to do that.
494
00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:56,936
Crable: They both very much
were dreamers.
495
00:23:56,969 --> 00:24:00,673
That had started in that period
when they were incarcerated.
496
00:24:00,707 --> 00:24:02,842
They had been feeding
each other's fantasies.
497
00:24:02,875 --> 00:24:04,176
It was gonna be this big score
498
00:24:04,210 --> 00:24:08,080
and then they was going to head
to Mexico and start a new life.
499
00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:11,484
LeBert-Corbello:
He connected with Perry Smith,
500
00:24:11,518 --> 00:24:15,154
and the two together
were a fatal combination.
501
00:24:15,187 --> 00:24:19,792
There are three things that Dick
often said after leaving prison.
502
00:24:19,826 --> 00:24:24,564
He said that he was going
to get a big score,
503
00:24:24,597 --> 00:24:28,100
that his family would have
no more money worries,
504
00:24:28,134 --> 00:24:31,738
and he said,
"There will be no witnesses."
505
00:24:34,206 --> 00:24:39,045
**
506
00:24:39,078 --> 00:24:41,213
Man: "After the check spree
in Kansas,
507
00:24:41,247 --> 00:24:43,249
we drove on to Florida,
508
00:24:43,282 --> 00:24:48,154
got to Miami Beach on the 21st
and spent Christmas there.
509
00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:50,523
Everything we got with
the checks was sold in Florida
510
00:24:50,557 --> 00:24:53,626
for about a fourth
of what I paid for it.
511
00:24:53,660 --> 00:24:57,964
On the 26th, we left Miami
and drove all over creation,
512
00:24:57,997 --> 00:24:59,832
went to Jacksonville
where I worked half a day
513
00:24:59,866 --> 00:25:01,233
digging a ditch,
514
00:25:01,267 --> 00:25:03,970
then to South Carolina,
New Orleans,
515
00:25:04,003 --> 00:25:06,973
Shreveport, Dallas,
and Fort Worth.
516
00:25:07,006 --> 00:25:09,241
In Fort Worth, we picked up
a hitchhiker and his son
517
00:25:09,275 --> 00:25:12,178
and drove them home to Corpus.
518
00:25:12,211 --> 00:25:14,013
We picked up $2 worth
of soda bottles
519
00:25:14,046 --> 00:25:17,183
on the side of the road
on the way there.
520
00:25:17,216 --> 00:25:18,751
Then we went to El Paso,
521
00:25:18,785 --> 00:25:21,320
then to Phoenix, where
we slept in the car,
522
00:25:21,353 --> 00:25:24,223
and finally,
just before New Year's,
523
00:25:24,256 --> 00:25:27,827
we decided we'd head
back to Vegas."
524
00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:30,563
[Wind whistling]
525
00:25:30,597 --> 00:25:36,102
**
526
00:25:36,135 --> 00:25:38,571
Man: "By Christmas day,
we had been working
527
00:25:38,605 --> 00:25:40,907
on the Wells lead
for almost three weeks,
528
00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:43,009
but it wasn't gelling.
529
00:25:43,042 --> 00:25:45,945
Smith and Hickock were out
there somewhere
530
00:25:45,978 --> 00:25:48,615
and we weren't finding them.
531
00:25:48,648 --> 00:25:51,684
It wasn't the best Christmas
we ever had at our house.
532
00:25:51,718 --> 00:25:53,252
Our boys were 9 and 12,
533
00:25:53,285 --> 00:25:55,755
but I didn't have
much enthusiasm
534
00:25:55,788 --> 00:25:58,658
for fooling with their toys."
535
00:25:58,691 --> 00:26:04,196
Paul: Mom was in many respects a
single parent much of the time.
536
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:08,100
Doing this investigation,
Dad was gone a lot,
537
00:26:09,001 --> 00:26:14,807
and I always felt that
she gave up a lot for him.
538
00:26:14,841 --> 00:26:17,610
**
539
00:26:17,644 --> 00:26:19,979
[Birds chirping]
540
00:26:20,012 --> 00:26:25,985
**
541
00:26:26,018 --> 00:26:31,958
**
542
00:26:31,991 --> 00:26:37,964
**
543
00:26:37,997 --> 00:26:43,936
**
544
00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:49,942
**
545
00:26:49,976 --> 00:26:51,410
Edwards: "I don't remember
being depressed
546
00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:53,813
until Nancy and Kenyon
were killed.
547
00:26:53,846 --> 00:26:55,815
Even worse than the grief
was the chaos
548
00:26:55,848 --> 00:26:58,017
that entered my mind
and my spirit.
549
00:26:58,050 --> 00:27:01,020
There was no longer
any point in planning,
550
00:27:01,053 --> 00:27:03,956
no reason to expect
fairness or justice,
551
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:05,992
no reason to expect
anything good
552
00:27:06,025 --> 00:27:09,028
just because you worked hard
and were good to others.
553
00:27:09,061 --> 00:27:11,764
I don't know exactly when
I stopped going to church,
554
00:27:11,798 --> 00:27:13,800
I raged at God for a while.
555
00:27:13,833 --> 00:27:15,401
Raged at him for
letting that happen
556
00:27:15,434 --> 00:27:18,304
when they had done
nothing to deserve it.
557
00:27:18,337 --> 00:27:21,808
What kind of God would let
something that terrible happen?
558
00:27:21,841 --> 00:27:25,745
If that was what God was like,
well, I could do without him."
559
00:27:27,213 --> 00:27:29,315
Man: "At Christmas
there was no big gathering
560
00:27:29,348 --> 00:27:30,950
at my parents' home.
561
00:27:30,983 --> 00:27:33,686
I began distancing
myself from them.
562
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,022
It had become the only way
I could manage the pain
563
00:27:36,055 --> 00:27:37,757
I felt for them.
564
00:27:37,790 --> 00:27:39,025
My pitiful parents,
565
00:27:39,058 --> 00:27:41,728
conscientious,
law-abiding citizens,
566
00:27:41,761 --> 00:27:45,331
shocked that their son
was a wanted man.
567
00:27:45,364 --> 00:27:47,934
My first wife and I did manage
to share our presents
568
00:27:47,967 --> 00:27:49,235
with my children.
569
00:27:49,268 --> 00:27:51,370
As they sat with the lights
flickering
570
00:27:51,403 --> 00:27:52,939
on our Christmas tree,
571
00:27:52,972 --> 00:27:54,874
I decided to tell them
that Uncle Dick
572
00:27:54,907 --> 00:27:56,743
had done something wrong.
573
00:27:56,776 --> 00:27:58,244
As I struggled
to find the words,
574
00:27:58,277 --> 00:28:01,347
I looked at their young
and innocent faces
575
00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:05,151
and wondered how hard it's going
to be for them to be Hickocks
576
00:28:05,184 --> 00:28:07,954
in the state on Kansas.
577
00:28:07,987 --> 00:28:10,189
**
578
00:28:10,222 --> 00:28:14,160
I came to know so many people
there that I wouldn't have known
579
00:28:14,193 --> 00:28:16,162
under any other
circumstance in my life
580
00:28:16,195 --> 00:28:18,297
and came to like
them a great deal
581
00:28:18,330 --> 00:28:20,767
and made many,
many friends there.
582
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,771
Truman started off on hugely
the wrong foot,
583
00:28:24,804 --> 00:28:28,174
but they eventually
became friends.
584
00:28:28,207 --> 00:28:31,778
Once Harper and Truman
became friends with the Deweys,
585
00:28:31,811 --> 00:28:34,413
Truman was up on
the investigation.
586
00:28:34,446 --> 00:28:36,315
Shields: As a result
of perseverance,
587
00:28:36,348 --> 00:28:37,917
Nelle Harper Lee
and Truman Capote
588
00:28:37,950 --> 00:28:39,919
were well into
Al Dewey's graces.
589
00:28:39,952 --> 00:28:41,954
He trusted them, he liked them,
590
00:28:41,988 --> 00:28:45,124
they were invited over
to the Deweys to have dinner,
591
00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:47,827
during which a critical
phone call came.
592
00:28:47,860 --> 00:28:52,431
**
593
00:28:52,464 --> 00:28:56,235
Bascue: Law enforcement
in Las Vegas had received
594
00:28:56,268 --> 00:28:57,970
an attempt-to-locate from Kansas
595
00:28:58,004 --> 00:29:00,840
for these two subjects,
Smith and Hickock,
596
00:29:00,873 --> 00:29:07,479
and they were given a vehicle
description and tag number.
597
00:29:07,513 --> 00:29:11,150
Man: "It was early evening when
two local officers on patrol
598
00:29:11,183 --> 00:29:14,320
happened to spot
a black 1956 Chevy
599
00:29:14,353 --> 00:29:16,488
outside the post office
600
00:29:16,522 --> 00:29:22,228
with plates that matched
the dispatch from Kansas."
601
00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:24,196
Bascue: Smith and Hickock
had just stopped
602
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:25,832
and picked up the belongings
603
00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:31,070
that they had shipped
from Mexico to Las Vegas.
604
00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:34,340
Man: "Officers searched the car,
and in the trunk,
605
00:29:34,373 --> 00:29:36,876
found a box from Mexico."
606
00:29:36,909 --> 00:29:41,380
[Police radio chatter]
607
00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:44,050
[Telephone rings]
608
00:29:44,083 --> 00:29:45,818
Paul: That evening,
609
00:29:45,852 --> 00:29:49,021
Truman and Nelle
were having dinner with us.
610
00:29:49,055 --> 00:29:51,123
A phone call came from Las Vegas
611
00:29:51,157 --> 00:29:54,927
where Dad is informed
that Hickock and Smith
612
00:29:54,961 --> 00:29:56,528
had been caught.
613
00:29:56,562 --> 00:29:58,530
Welch: The Las Vegas
Police Department
614
00:29:58,564 --> 00:30:02,068
said "Happy New Year and Merry
Christmas and everything else,
615
00:30:02,101 --> 00:30:06,538
we've got these two guys
in custody."
616
00:30:06,572 --> 00:30:09,976
Shields:
Al was in a celebratory mood.
617
00:30:10,009 --> 00:30:11,210
They had 'em.
618
00:30:11,243 --> 00:30:13,045
He got out a big map,
619
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:14,480
put it on the dining room table,
620
00:30:14,513 --> 00:30:16,115
and showed the route
that they would take
621
00:30:16,148 --> 00:30:18,017
out there to Las Vegas.
622
00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:20,953
And Truman wanted to go
out to Las Vegas
623
00:30:20,987 --> 00:30:23,622
with Al Dewey
to bring them back,
624
00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:28,494
but Al said,
"Not this time, not this time."
625
00:30:28,527 --> 00:30:30,229
Man: "I asked the officer
on the phone
626
00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:33,399
if they had found anything,
like boots.
627
00:30:33,432 --> 00:30:35,434
He said yes.
628
00:30:35,467 --> 00:30:39,438
Turns out the box they found
in the trunk contained two,
629
00:30:39,471 --> 00:30:42,308
one with a cat's paw sole design
630
00:30:42,341 --> 00:30:45,011
and the other one
with diamond tread.
631
00:30:45,044 --> 00:30:48,247
Both were similar to the tracks
found on the cardboard box
632
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,882
at the murder scene."
633
00:30:49,916 --> 00:30:52,584
They sent those boots
and other materials
634
00:30:52,618 --> 00:30:55,587
to "General delivery,
Las Vegas, Perry Smith."
635
00:30:55,621 --> 00:30:59,058
Thank God they did that.
636
00:30:59,091 --> 00:31:02,328
Paul: If the Las Vegas police
had grabbed them earlier,
637
00:31:02,361 --> 00:31:05,932
that really critical
piece of evidence
638
00:31:05,965 --> 00:31:09,268
wouldn't have been found.
It was purely happenstance.
639
00:31:09,301 --> 00:31:12,071
Purely happenstance.
640
00:31:12,104 --> 00:31:14,941
Man: "It was at that point
that I told them to keep the men
641
00:31:14,974 --> 00:31:19,478
in maximum security
until we arrived."
642
00:31:19,511 --> 00:31:21,647
**
643
00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:29,956
**
644
00:31:29,989 --> 00:31:33,125
[Indistinct chatter]
645
00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:39,031
**
646
00:31:39,065 --> 00:31:42,368
[Sirens wailing]
647
00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:46,238
**
648
00:31:48,374 --> 00:31:51,410
Bascue: It was around the end
of December of 1959,
649
00:31:51,443 --> 00:31:56,182
and Smith and Hickock were
arrested in Las Vegas, Nevada.
650
00:31:56,215 --> 00:32:00,119
Here we have mug shots
of both Smith and Hickock.
651
00:32:00,152 --> 00:32:03,555
Hickock on the left
and Perry Smith on the right,
652
00:32:03,589 --> 00:32:08,260
and then there's a picture
of the bloody boot print
653
00:32:08,294 --> 00:32:10,729
that law enforcement took,
654
00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:14,200
and the boot here is one
of Perry Smith's boots
655
00:32:14,233 --> 00:32:19,205
that he wore on the night
that the Clutters were murdered.
656
00:32:19,238 --> 00:32:22,608
Those boots, well,
you count on good luck
657
00:32:22,641 --> 00:32:24,143
falling your way
sometimes,
658
00:32:24,176 --> 00:32:26,979
and that's what happened
in the Clutter case.
659
00:32:27,013 --> 00:32:31,150
**
660
00:32:31,183 --> 00:32:33,319
One of the strategies if you
have multiple defendants
661
00:32:33,352 --> 00:32:35,721
is identifying the person
that's most likely
662
00:32:35,754 --> 00:32:38,224
to engage
in a conversation.
663
00:32:38,257 --> 00:32:41,527
And by golly,
it had to be Hickock.
664
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,463
Exactly.
665
00:32:44,496 --> 00:32:47,766
Hickock's personality
was he thought he could do
666
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:50,469
a snow job basically.
667
00:32:50,502 --> 00:32:53,372
He felt more comfortable
trying to engage conversation
668
00:32:53,405 --> 00:32:56,475
to learn more about
what the agents knew.
669
00:32:56,508 --> 00:33:00,246
**
670
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,048
Man: "I first saw Dick Hickock
671
00:33:02,081 --> 00:33:06,418
in jail inside
the Las Vegas Police Department.
672
00:33:06,452 --> 00:33:12,358
Agent Church and myself took him
to the interrogation room."
673
00:33:12,391 --> 00:33:16,395
They go into the evening
first day as I recall,
674
00:33:16,428 --> 00:33:18,397
and Hickock, of course,
he's his usual,
675
00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:23,269
boastful, braggadocio self,
676
00:33:23,302 --> 00:33:24,636
but that evening,
677
00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:31,410
Nye and Church kind of
play with Hickock.
678
00:33:31,443 --> 00:33:34,080
"We started off
by going over these checks
679
00:33:34,113 --> 00:33:37,449
that he had passed
in the Kansas City area --
680
00:33:37,483 --> 00:33:39,418
what was obtained
through these checks,
681
00:33:39,451 --> 00:33:41,753
where it was disposed of,
682
00:33:41,787 --> 00:33:44,456
and then we go into his
particular activities,
683
00:33:44,490 --> 00:33:46,392
along with Perry Edward Smith,
684
00:33:46,425 --> 00:33:52,231
over the weekend of the 14th
and 15th of November 1959.
685
00:33:52,264 --> 00:33:55,134
We asked him about the murder
of the Clutter family
686
00:33:55,167 --> 00:33:57,569
in Holcomb, Kansas."
687
00:33:57,603 --> 00:33:59,571
Bascue: To help them get
the confessions,
688
00:33:59,605 --> 00:34:05,311
they had to have evidence
available to them to show that,
689
00:34:05,344 --> 00:34:06,712
"Listen, we got you guys,
690
00:34:06,745 --> 00:34:09,581
so it'd be in your best
interest to talk to us."
691
00:34:09,615 --> 00:34:13,552
And one of the things that they
talked about was the boot print.
692
00:34:13,585 --> 00:34:15,821
You know, "We have your boots.
693
00:34:15,854 --> 00:34:19,458
Is there any reason
why your boot prints
694
00:34:19,491 --> 00:34:23,295
should be at the scene if you've
never been there before?"
695
00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:26,832
**
696
00:34:26,865 --> 00:34:29,635
[Static]
697
00:34:29,668 --> 00:34:36,375
**
698
00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:43,115
**
699
00:34:43,149 --> 00:34:49,655
**
700
00:34:49,688 --> 00:34:56,362
**
701
00:34:56,395 --> 00:35:02,901
**
702
00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:09,641
**
703
00:35:09,675 --> 00:35:16,382
**
704
00:35:16,415 --> 00:35:18,750
[Feedback]
705
00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:22,454
On the other side, Smith was
not really giving up anything.
706
00:35:22,488 --> 00:35:23,389
Mnh-mnh.
707
00:35:23,422 --> 00:35:25,791
He was very cagey.
708
00:35:25,824 --> 00:35:27,559
"Don't discuss anything,
709
00:35:27,593 --> 00:35:30,429
the less information out there,
the better off I am."
710
00:35:30,462 --> 00:35:34,400
Definitely more adept
at avoiding answering questions
711
00:35:34,433 --> 00:35:37,203
in a criminal setting
than Hickock.
712
00:35:38,604 --> 00:35:44,543
Man: "I first talked to
Perry Smith on January 2, 1960.
713
00:35:44,576 --> 00:35:48,414
This is at the police
department at Las Vegas.
714
00:35:48,447 --> 00:35:50,682
I talked to him from 2:00
in the afternoon
715
00:35:50,716 --> 00:35:54,420
until 5:00 in the afternoon.
716
00:35:54,453 --> 00:35:59,725
He denied any knowledge
of the Clutter murders."
717
00:35:59,758 --> 00:36:02,628
At that time, of course,
Hickock was giving
718
00:36:02,661 --> 00:36:04,730
basically
a full confession.
719
00:36:04,763 --> 00:36:08,900
**
720
00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:13,272
**
721
00:36:13,305 --> 00:36:17,443
**
722
00:36:17,476 --> 00:36:21,647
**
723
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,817
**
724
00:36:25,851 --> 00:36:29,988
**
725
00:36:30,021 --> 00:36:34,360
**
726
00:36:34,393 --> 00:36:37,563
[Feedback]
727
00:36:37,596 --> 00:36:40,766
**
728
00:36:40,799 --> 00:36:43,469
Reporter: Charges in the slaying
of the Herbert Clutter family
729
00:36:43,502 --> 00:36:46,505
in Holcomb were filed
after a dramatic confession
730
00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:48,307
was made in Las Vegas
731
00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:52,444
by Kansas State Penitentiary
parolee Richard Eugene Hickock,
732
00:36:52,478 --> 00:36:56,515
age 28, who was charged
with 4 counts of murder.
733
00:36:56,548 --> 00:36:58,016
Hickock made his statement,
734
00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:00,652
then collapsed into
the arms of law man.
735
00:37:00,686 --> 00:37:04,890
The confession also implicated
parolee Perry Edward Smith.
736
00:37:04,923 --> 00:37:06,892
Smith, questioned separately,
737
00:37:06,925 --> 00:37:10,796
declined to confirm that he
participated in the slayings.
738
00:37:10,829 --> 00:37:14,333
Both men will be returned
here later this week.
739
00:37:14,366 --> 00:37:18,003
**
740
00:37:23,742 --> 00:37:25,544
**
741
00:37:25,577 --> 00:37:27,713
They took two vehicles,
and each suspect
742
00:37:27,746 --> 00:37:29,047
was transported separately.
743
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,550
It was, in essence,
strategy.
744
00:37:31,583 --> 00:37:33,719
So, you know, one
can't learn from the other
745
00:37:33,752 --> 00:37:36,388
as to what's going on.
746
00:37:36,422 --> 00:37:39,725
Man #1: "Hickock and Mr. Church
were in the lead car.
747
00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:43,695
Myself, Perry, and Mr. Duntz
were following.
748
00:37:43,729 --> 00:37:46,732
Before we were even
out of the city limits,
749
00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:49,401
I told Perry Smith that Hickock
750
00:37:49,435 --> 00:37:52,638
had given other agents
a statement.
751
00:37:52,671 --> 00:37:56,007
Perry could see
Hickock in the car ahead,
752
00:37:56,041 --> 00:37:58,577
and Hickock was talking."
753
00:37:58,610 --> 00:38:03,515
Perry Smith had taken offense to
what was told to law enforcement
754
00:38:03,549 --> 00:38:05,551
by Hickock.
755
00:38:05,584 --> 00:38:06,985
Man #1: "Perry said to us,
756
00:38:07,018 --> 00:38:09,388
'Isn't he tough?
Look at him talk.'
757
00:38:09,421 --> 00:38:12,391
Then he said, 'Hickock had
told me if we were ever caught
758
00:38:12,424 --> 00:38:14,426
that we weren't going
to say a word,
759
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:18,330
but there he is just
talking his head off.'"
760
00:38:18,364 --> 00:38:20,632
**
761
00:38:20,666 --> 00:38:22,734
Perry Smith, you know,
was on the trip home
762
00:38:22,768 --> 00:38:25,571
when he started discussing
the actual case
763
00:38:25,604 --> 00:38:30,376
with Agent Dewey.
764
00:38:30,409 --> 00:38:33,779
"With a sudden burst
of anger, he said,
765
00:38:33,812 --> 00:38:36,848
'Now I'm going to
tell you what happened.'"
766
00:38:36,882 --> 00:38:39,050
The meltdown starts.
767
00:38:39,084 --> 00:38:40,919
[Chuckles]
768
00:38:40,952 --> 00:38:45,090
**
769
00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:50,696
Man #2: "I got this letter from
Dick while I was in Buhl, Idaho.
770
00:38:50,729 --> 00:38:54,966
He said he had what he called
some setup that was a cinch.
771
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,968
**
772
00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:59,371
I never would have left
if it hadn't been for this
773
00:38:59,405 --> 00:39:02,541
so-called invitation from Dick
774
00:39:02,574 --> 00:39:05,043
to come down to Kansas City."
775
00:39:07,446 --> 00:39:10,749
[Whistle blowing]
776
00:39:10,782 --> 00:39:13,519
Man #1: "Smith said he came
to Kansas City by bus
777
00:39:13,552 --> 00:39:18,924
from Las Vegas
on November 11th."
778
00:39:18,957 --> 00:39:21,493
Man #2: "Dick met me
in the bus station.
779
00:39:22,561 --> 00:39:25,497
He told me all about
this 'cinch.'"
780
00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:29,735
Man #1: "Smith said
that he stayed overnight
781
00:39:29,768 --> 00:39:32,538
on November 13th
at the home of Dick's parents
782
00:39:32,571 --> 00:39:34,640
in the small town of Edgerton.
783
00:39:34,673 --> 00:39:40,178
**
784
00:39:40,211 --> 00:39:43,715
The next morning, they had
put new tires on Hickock's car
785
00:39:43,749 --> 00:39:47,519
and shortly after lunch,
they left Olathe for Holcomb."
786
00:39:47,553 --> 00:39:51,990
**
787
00:39:52,023 --> 00:39:54,926
Man #2: "We had Dick's shotgun
788
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,896
and a hunting jacket
full of shells
789
00:39:57,929 --> 00:39:59,465
and extra shells.
790
00:40:00,165 --> 00:40:02,601
All this in the trunk
of the car.
791
00:40:02,634 --> 00:40:08,574
**
792
00:40:08,607 --> 00:40:11,943
We bought some cord in Emporia.
793
00:40:11,977 --> 00:40:16,214
In the store, Dick asked
how much we would need.
794
00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:20,852
I told him, 'I don't know.
Your guess is as good as mine.'
795
00:40:20,886 --> 00:40:22,788
And Dick said to the clerk,
796
00:40:22,821 --> 00:40:26,892
'Well, hell,
give it all to us.'"
797
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:29,761
Man #1: "Smith
said it was enough
798
00:40:29,795 --> 00:40:32,097
to tie up 12 to 14 people.
799
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:37,969
**
800
00:40:38,003 --> 00:40:43,875
**
801
00:40:43,909 --> 00:40:49,748
**
802
00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:53,552
It was before midnight when they
pulled into a service station
803
00:40:53,585 --> 00:40:56,087
inside the Garden City limits.
804
00:40:56,121 --> 00:40:59,991
From there, it was a short
stretch to Holcomb."
805
00:41:00,025 --> 00:41:06,632
**
806
00:41:06,665 --> 00:41:10,101
Man #2: "It was discussed
if we was ever been seen
807
00:41:10,135 --> 00:41:12,203
or identified.
808
00:41:12,237 --> 00:41:15,907
Dick said then that member
of the family had to go."
809
00:41:15,941 --> 00:41:20,779
**
810
00:41:20,812 --> 00:41:25,884
Man #1: "I asked Perry
what he meant by the word 'go.'
811
00:41:25,917 --> 00:41:28,787
He said he meant to kill them."
812
00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:34,726
**
813
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,196
Very envious -- I am very
envious of their ability
814
00:41:38,229 --> 00:41:42,701
to get the confessions
from the two suspects.
815
00:41:42,734 --> 00:41:44,670
But it would be
equivalent of winning
816
00:41:44,703 --> 00:41:47,806
an $80 million lottery.
817
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:50,642
Thomas: I agree. I think
just the feeling to know
818
00:41:50,676 --> 00:41:52,611
pretty much assured in your mind
that you've got the people
819
00:41:52,644 --> 00:41:55,981
that's responsible would
have been very rewarding.
820
00:41:56,014 --> 00:41:58,249
**
821
00:41:58,283 --> 00:42:02,688
Welch: But the case
is not over yet.
822
00:42:02,721 --> 00:42:07,593
You haven't yet convicted
the guilty, lying,
823
00:42:07,626 --> 00:42:13,031
thieving S.O.B.,
but that will come.
824
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:26,277
**
825
00:42:28,313 --> 00:42:35,320
**
826
00:42:37,656 --> 00:42:44,663
**
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