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early 80s in Flint Michigan we looked

like we were on our way to writing

festival you know we had like denim

vests with patches all over them but at

the same time we were all pretty nerdy

like we weren't really into like

heavy-duty drugs or anything like that

we smoked pot and drank and stuff but we

weren't like we weren't to create we did

acid once in a while so it was kind of

like we were just as nerdy as kids that

were into Star Wars but we were into

and that came over one day and he was

like cool then I'm like yeah buy a

guitar dude we'll start a band and he

bought a guitar like within like a month

he was one of those people that just

took to it like a moth to a flame

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we found a copy of his fanzine called

sledgehammer press we recorded our stuff

and sent it out and that was the first

time we ever recorded anything where we

it wasn't we didn't have a studio but we

did like do several takes and edited

together three really good basement

recordings that was the first lineup of

the band pretty much that was where we

started calling it genocide

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I got this book for for Christmas when I

was a kid there was a little bit in here

about Roman Polanski's repulsion and

this photo I found it to be really

haunting we started getting letters from

other bands that were called genocide

and you know obviously the name genocide

is a horrible name I was like cool this

is a good opportunity we have to change

the name

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when I actually heard repulsion for the

first time it blew my mind because I was

like oh my god it's okay for me to play

like this like I thought it was the

weirdest thing like nobody would like it

or whatever and like not only is this

okay it's like everybody's influence

repulsion or the first costume like they

invented

we went to a hardcore show and saw what

it was all about and like found the

promoter they were really cool and they

just took a chance on us until we

started playing really fast and then I

think people just didn't know what to

make him it didn't matter whether they

were punk or metal when we like locked

on to the repulsion formula there were

very few people that actually liked our

music

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so what happened was Matt and I went to

Florida in early 85 truck was amazing

but it just wasn't working out what do

we do now we we need to get a band going

there was an article in the paper about

a group of friends who had been busted

for grave robbing and one of them was a

guy named Dave Hollingshead who was also

a drummer we we got him to start playing

like speed metal sort of beats like

Slayer but he had never done it before

so when you're playing like double-time

on the hi-hats he couldn't really do

that at least not fast enough to really

you know blow somebody's head off so we

just kind of said all right just cheat

we used to call it the cheap beat hit

the hi-hat every other time as fast as

possible

your basic default blasts feet one foot

not two feet one kick drum snare and

it's all in sync it's not all sloppy and

[ __ ] like goody-goody dude it's just

like constant that's the single most

important fundamental I think it's the

rudiment that changed everything

the blast speed

other cemeteries the traditional blast

alternating

you know there's no cheating yes I refer

to it when I was a kid over time

he got so good at the cheap beat that it

went from you know being like the speed

of like a slaughter to this machine gun

sound what you hear on the repulsion

album

we were planning on releasing it as an

album but we were very disappointed in

the way the recording turned out the

repulsion recordings from 86 they were

only released on CD 89 90 by necrosis

records because nobody wanted to release

the demo of repulsion because it was too

noisy

the grizzle in the base that's grind the

grinding base sound you know came from

like Scott Carlson when they went to go

mix it they realized that they wiped his

actual bass tracks so they just ended up

using a scratch track you know and and

it all great things come as complete

accidents that's a pretty uncommon car

together it was an unfinished album it's

what what it was and I just started

circulating and selling it on tape

because I think we're gonna have to try

this one more time

Flint Michigan is definitely part of our

sound my dad works in the auto factory

Matt's dad worked in the auto factory

Aaron's dad drove a truck that delivered

automobiles made in the automobile

factory two dealerships all over the

Midwest that's your future like you're

gonna be working in an auto factory

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unbelievably working-class my grill got

a level working class it literally was

just terrible ox on the horizon and

smokestacks and factories and the smell

of chemicals and was hard to

contextualise because though you lived

it you lived in that you went to school

in that you I need a new face hostility

you know the daily basis

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initially I was I was brought up in a

house that was literally a cup there a

commune which was basically full of

heroin addicts which my father was one

there's a seven-year-old that's exposed

then to let the Sex Pistols the damned

clash Stranglers and a pretty much

discovered industrial music purely

accidentally this is where I met Nick

Baumann

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and this way it basically led me towards

joining napalm death famously I book

napalm death on a show their second ever

show it was 1983 going way back at a

boat club in Nottingham next to the

river here there were 14 years old just

blowing mines really

the plates white 60 people if that but

it was you knew something was pretty

special well I did anyway having

something that was more reminiscent

Killing Joke or very early in the Vics

ignorance wands we want to follow this

into a melting pot and speed it up you

know we couldn't actually do it with the

original drummer who ironically was one

of the founding members of a pawn death

a guy called rat or miles right alleged

as he was known in there unfortunately

for four miles rat me and Nick we're

starting to talk about that he couldn't

play fast enough and this is when we

happened upon Nick Harris you know Nick

Harris was [ __ ] wild he was a force

of nature it was not not human it

carries something come up to me a napalm

death gig and I was really enamored with

his energy it's funny that we arrived

there eventually becoming gravitated

blastbeats

you know because for a minute there we

could have been actually playing very

tribal sand in post-punk very sorts of

revelations and we first had siege

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it blows my mind that ends like napalm

death and drop dead who you know got

their name from the drop dead in their

bands that good you know call us an

influence it's a it's very much an honor

for that

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a lot of bands achieve their speed

through what drummers will call a cheap

beat they'll simplify the B to make the

music faster but Rob never did that Rob

played the full British discharge beat

only at a much higher tempo he was just

a really raging drummer

discharge would have been the biggest

influence on see agent on a lot of us at

that period of time just as discharge

hated Thatcher's England siege hated

Reagan's America I mean a lot of the

story of the grindcore thing really does

come out of the hardcore punk scene in

the UK

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the grind scene I find it more political

than the metal scene generally I think

that comes from the punk roots probably

and like all the DIY aspect bands are

closer to you know the punk spirit and

the punk vision punk has always been

political music I'm not saying there

isn't political people in metal but it

was always more about music with metal

whereas punk was always more about the

politics well a hardcore punk a lot of

people had a lot of things to say you

know I want to be different and I want

to repel and all these other people are

lame and the metal guys they're like I

want to master my instrument and play it

better than anyone

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the outside was recorded I think for

potential release as a split album that

was the thing back then

Justin basically gave me the tapes and

said well sold them to me and I'm like

right now I need the b-side just didn't

became a little bit disillusion but he

was friends with a band called head of

David he left and they were their

guitarist and Nick Bolen actually asked

me to play guitar this is between sorry

a side and b-side on scum I said yes

I'll do it

I went back with them but I kind of

chickened out you know either I just

lost my nerve and so that way the band

went through a wig here for a few months

where they weren't really doing much so

Mick Harris was kind of left on his own

and he recruited leader Ian bill steer

as Mick got a new lineup together the

idea was let's do another recording and

have a name b-side so that's kind of the

way it turned out it's two different

bands make Harris being the only

constant bit crazier I mean they never

rehearsed they never planned anything

it's hard to explain how

unprofessionally was looking back on it

it was just a very fun outlet initially

but I didn't think it was gonna go

anywhere I mean even being in a band was

a bit of a fantasy really John Peel in

the UK is a very famous name because

that's a DJ whose career spans decades

so you going back to you know the

Beatles era I guess as the years went by

he managed to attach himself more and

more to the extreme fringes of music I

was exposed to so much music thanks to

John Perlina I was a 10 year old kid

with a tiny little radio the wireless

radio battery-operated radio listening

in bed when I should have been going to

school so you can imagine the first time

I heard John Peel play anything off

scone I'd left the band by the time he

first plates gone

that very night he played ended a bit

straight after he played the track off

Scott side armor and it was like oh my

god you know I mean this is this is who

the who I grew up listening to is now

just played not only a John Peel session

of a band I've just joined but now Scott

and no harm that's just [ __ ] blow off

effort

the momentum from napalm was so rapid

because of what he did for the band's

was a very brave thing I mean you know

even though days when something's

confrontational people kept people

finally I want to digest you know but

back then I think it was even harder it

was just hard to take in you know you're

just a kid and your musics been played

on national radio

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well Mickey came up with the term it

didn't come from the press as many

people think or even the underground

press it was Mickey a lot of alternative

indie magazines were then focusing on

grunkle to them it was completely new

thing even though it to mean able I'm

deaf there was a really fast hardcore

metal band when the chamber iron core

game it that was a whole different

spectrum than really hardcore kids were

like man you heard this [ __ ] scum

record it's completely ridiculous place

I'd to first place I - don't play side

one side one kind of sucks place I - and

I'm like really what's it like you say

oh man it sounds like [ __ ] Popeye

screaming - people

the sand was still changing I think at

that point it definitely changed on the

second half I'm not saying I was I

wouldn't say I was the conscious part of

it was just going that way clearly and

so the first thing I actually recorded

with him was actually a John pail radio

session I didn't play the show with him

so he did a couple of new songs on that

but it wasn't until you the second album

really from enslavement where he is the

songs that I've written I was at a store

in Houston I go to Houston a lot for

shows and we goodies they had really

good record stores and I found napalm

death from enslavement to obliteration

you know a marker it was written fastest

band in the world this is the fastest

album ever made and no psycho man I

gotta have that so I went out and bought

it I put it on in the first songs

perfectly slow I'm like this isn't fast

man I just I'm not into this at all then

right Edgar just kicks and it takes off

for the entire [ __ ] record that

second song kicked in it was like

plucking in a Christmas tree

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from enslavement scum those records are

just groundbreaking we wouldn't be

sitting here talking about this if those

records didn't exist

what PLF from Houston Texas let's [ __ ]

drive

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I think there's a week you go depends

yeah sometimes maybe like Wow -

sometimes like five or six a week

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like when I first heard like insect

warfare when I was like maybe 50 years

old I just said wow you know that's the

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life

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it's a very honest yawn or two you just

pretty much play as fast as you can

scream scream as loud as you can just

[ __ ] poke balls out

it's pretty [ __ ] extreme I like

knowledge the fact that the average

population doesn't gently think his

music you know it just keeps me calling

music but for maybe like most like

random like normal people they think

this is noise especially where I'm from

for sure like compared to like Asian pop

like like k-pop k-pop whatever that's

like this is like noise but for us this

is true music but I think the thing that

all things grind that lightly really

like to hailed it on them for me was

terrorizing like Terrorizer the like one

and only American grind band like Jesus

Christ

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my original band was Terrorizer back in

1889 back then as kids we didn't have

much and I like a couple pedals which

he's you know a couple pedals and

whatever we had and just try to get the

best sound out of them this one guy used

to come see us practice all the time and

he told us he had a drummer well the guy

takes off at half an hour later he walks

in with Pete

well back then there was not many

drummers that were doing the blasts

there was just speed you know thrash

black metal I just wanted to take it to

the next level I know I wanted to play

like double the skank beep he looks like

he's putting out a cigarette and does a

swivel thing and so he gets like a like

a double bounce going

when me and Jesse heard that right there

and then we told them well do you want

to join the band

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I remember Jessie was uh yes he was

writing with David Vincent Vera Vincent

was asking Jessie that where could they

find on to her leg Pete and Jesse gave

him up just before you could have our

drummer

that's when Pete told me that they were

and them sent him a ticket about a

Florida and I mean I got pissed because

he took off on us and then just you

already made his move I guess he was

gonna go play with napalm I already

already right into Jesse and a couple

days before and going over to keep ahead

of the morning because you know at the

time difference between in LA I think

originally thought it was just for one

to only ended up staying well for many

albums you know there was not a lot of

interest in the Terrorizer and Plus this

other bands worlds were were big bands

you know more better NGOs they had like

a beginning of a history you know what I

mean so it was something cool nice for

me to join bands like that and then with

napalm Dave another big band so he was

what was supposed to be him and I don't

really know what happened to terrorize

after that you know many years past it

was just a one album by Terrorizer there

was basically make napalm death and

mobile angel members because we were

under contract for two albums and you

know I was a Pete scheduled real busy

with more became John same thing with

Jesse I mean we are close a couple of

times but it never happened and you know

I wish they would have and we eat much

at least enough I don't talk to him at

all those bad things between me and him

right now supposedly I gave up on

Terrorizer

you know I didn't give up band a chance

which obviously he took off two more

back and Jesse took up was uh was napalm

man from there on Nana and just don't

really talk to him at all

I did a radio show at the University of

Ottawa a metal radio show with a friend

of mine and I was discovering a lot of

bands that way and the way I got into

grindcore was one day he put on brutal

truths walking corpse from extreme

conditions it's such a classic song the

way it starts with like this tear

anything

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I'm gonna play this aggressive stuff too

I want to do this who am I gonna get to

play with me and I thought of Scott and

Brent Brent had a permanent nickname

Guren gern blanston when a Steve

Martin's characters on Saturday Night

Live we formed as a three-piece so I

might [ __ ] this regarding a singer

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keval was just obscene stirrer he'd

already gone to the brine crusty tour in

England and everything and wrote for cmj

college music journal me and Dan were

doing something else and then it he got

really tired of [ __ ] doing vocals I

recorded something with a drum machine

and had him sing over it some of those

riffs actually turned into a denial of

existence

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back in the early days of brutal truth

we didn't have gear we just borrowed

everything if we were going to play

Rhode Island or something like that

instead of like getting a van or

something like that we would just all

[ __ ] hop a train

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I was hanging out with people like my

friend Jim Welch who at the time was

running Eric USA and all these bands

were already on Eric

and we were friends with Jim it seemed

logical that that would be a natural

label to go to they just captured the

attention of Dave that Danny look I

resented Brian core bands and they were

sterile forced to be fast as hell it's

the right for maximum rock'n'roll

fanzine in the States

I was like their UK correspondent if you

like I've dabbled with promoting I

didn't know at the time but I'm a bit of

an organizing kind of guy hey you know I

tape traded with dick back in the day

and also had a publicity job at the

record label I went from being a music

fan to a facilitator or whatever it's

been called that's what Eric did we were

facilitators initiators that's what I do

I'm like I'm ringing bags up getting in

the studio do this quite forcible

sometimes to do it in the year egg

history when the American bands were

getting signed they're a bit of a bit

more professionalism came in

we started rehearsing a lot writing more

music and that's what the whole speed

factor came into being it worked out

good that we answered up getting

somebody that had never played grindcore

before because we were able to kind of

bold him a little bit rich was

straight-up punk rock he came from that

Philly punk scene so you know grind was

absolutely new to him

I mean it was the kind of thing where

like I joined the band and then two or

three weeks later we like went somewhere

to like write an album and then right

from that we left for a tour and then I

played 250 or more shows a year for the

next through five or six years

I wanted to be faster I just wanted I

didn't have an attention span

I wanted fast

- intensity yeah that's a better word

intensity that's P you know it's

supposed to be like really intense it

actually is pretty much addictive I

think you know the adrenaline you get

more alive I'm a huge adrenaline junkie

and it's just great to be part of the

shoots thunderous noise

music is therapy for a lot of people I

mean you if you don't play you start

your day driving into work at 5:30 in

the morning you hate your boss you know

somebody ran over your cat or your dog

and you're just pissed off and you just

unleash it's sort of like my art you

know you know I don't really play music

i dumbed I'm not really a trained

drummer I just sort of enjoy grinding I

like to play grind and I like to do

grind vocals and yell and play super

fast and it's very much of a emotional

and physical sort of uh outlet for me

so many bouncers do grindcore they have

they lack the passion they lack the

urgency I mean I still don't know the

exact reason why those guys quit napalm

death they couldn't really see beyond

playing - like 60 people in their minds

and in everyone's mind really it was a

small scene how can it how could it ever

get bigger but things happened so

quickly

six months in the band back then was

like a lifetime I viewed napalm as this

thing's just supposed to be very extreme

like a short sharp shock and I didn't

really see it as having much longevity

and which sounds ridiculous now

obviously but that's kind of how I

looked at it Lee and Bill had left after

a Japanese sewer for various reasons I

was pretty devastated really but we knew

Barney because Barney wasn't seen in

their benediction shine and Mickey knew

what I could do we thought Barney would

be a good person to come in because had

a lot of energy

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I was kind of that token roadie who did

nothing except drink and maybe lift a

cabinet I feel your odds down the road

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people you know to walk into a room nice

to hate everybody hates everything

napalm is a paradox as are many other

bands of this ilk we have very very

aggressive extreme violent sounding

which is the important part music

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the ground which is on the wall

but on the other side of things the

lyrics are peaceful tolerance humane

people sights it's a political band and

I wouldn't necessarily discount that but

at the same time I also understand that

politics can also mean nothing

it can be very tokenistic very divisive

the starting point is to bring people

together not forcing a path so my thing

is what the underlying thing for me is

it is a humane humanitarian standpoint

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this kind of music was always really

integrated with like giving a [ __ ] about

things and I think that's kind of assess

something about the general you know

attitude

it was the extremity which was the most

important but it was also the you know

the opportunity to actually say

something in your you know and you're

with your band and your lyrics

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what did we do that was so bad it is

offensive it's stupid it's it's it's

it's blue humor it's it's dumb it's

childish its sophomoric but we know it

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she said I saw that shirt that's your

band Erna been called anal [ __ ] and she

was crying and I'm just like I'm trying

to justify it I'm like I got nothing i

got nothing i broke my mother's heart

this sucks I didn't mean to do that

[ __ ] oh well [ __ ] there I am with hair

like an [ __ ]

this is my favorite they [ __ ] hate

that cover it's so stupid

this is the Unplugged album 80 its own

EP original Mike pretty Mike pretty much

paid for this Mike Mike was doing one of

us who had a job that made money he was

a he was a press operator and like I

like some like print shop and I think

Seth pretty much convinced him like all

right so you can be like 200 dollars a

week and we'll get those record eyes

okay sure Seth would make up bands

[ __ ] constantly he would make up ants

death metal bands would like his cousin

are as friends or something and then

make a demo tape and they'd say oh it's

real bad yeah I lose banana code shoots

come and says like oh yeah well I have

this band called anal [ __ ]

yeah we're gonna play a show man we

don't even have music man we just

[ __ ] let go crazy just like oh yeah

he's like yeah you should come see us

and then he had to make the band Oh

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our first show ever was a rehearsal and

we played in front of his mother his two

brothers Easter Sunday no joke and I

remember his grandmother just like this

just you guys are gonna get yourself

killed if you do that

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there are times when that's good when

the crowd wants it but there are times

when it's like you know I mean there's

one time we played you play Texas and he

was doing the microphone thing and he

hit John square in the head cut his head

open knocked him down started bleeding

and he's bleeding he's bleeding his

pleading I grabbed the mic from Seth and

I'm like I need I need a towel I need a

towel I need something and he cut his

head open

Seth grabs a mic for music yeah and I

need two sprites with no ice somebody

knocked mine over you know I mean that's

what you had to deal with

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I never listened to them myself that's

not kind of music than ever attracted me

you know I don't think everybody is to

see it's crying with ain't no conduct

and there was enough other big grind

bands that anybody knows a bit well it's

just a sub job right now I can respect

like the noise aspects I can get that

and then I guess they also get like a

little bit of a pass because there's

like they started it I guess

I don't think they were really ever that

serious of a band but you know they

became more of a real band after a few

years I do not like anal [ __ ] I think

Seth Putnam was piece of [ __ ] everyone's

like all you have no sense of humor all

right why don't [ __ ] said [ __ ] him as

a piece of [ __ ] the art that he created

it reflected that he was in this

insensitive piece of [ __ ] garbage

that thought that everything everyone

else's pain was like one big [ __ ]

joke he was probably like you'd expect

he was a handful at times he's a really

smart guy though he wasn't a complete

maniac but he definitely knew how to

play his part

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I had already gotten tired of the gigs

and traveling because I was the only one

that could rent a vehicle and all that

was me when they had a car the only one

had a credit card so I could see that it

was it was leaning a lot on on me and my

resources for doing it so Tim told me he

wanted to get out and I told him I

wanted to get out too

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it got really bad he got it got really

stressful sometimes it would be great

you know sometimes the crowd would be

crazy and the crowd would be with it and

it would be great

or and sometimes it would be really hard

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yeah let's get some of these tats this

is the grind for us or tattoo you know

the compilation help you forgot yeah

besides that distance I got oh please

really old school thing this is a

typical that kids show here in Quebec a

classic show from the 70s and in the 80s

every every band from the true you know

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my first band was like discharge it's

more like a noise project that's still

going on today we started that like in

1990 with chainsaw we're still doing

this on and off since like the past 25

years but my first actual real grind ban

was thing sheds

I met Fred in school and we started

Mesrine like in 1997

for a while we were pretty much the only

two bands around we know everybody from

the scene which is from Quebec City to

Montreal even a tower in Toronto it's a

small scene small world

when it's drying core

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five days you know starting Wednesday

finish like Sunday night 17 hours of

music

this year we had the best festival in

history unit such a great show like sob

to rise early you know the people just

think since first ban till last ban

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what what's the scene like beer brand

new mix of like metal and punks that

just coming together doing a show man

I could get us geo dia the same day we

said [ __ ] up psycho yesterday there

were so many great bands and you don't

expect that kind of bands to play you're

you're part of the world we like the

scene we like to give the chance you

know to play really big stage with

massive sound even for that bands no one

knows because I think you always come to

the option action for big names but then

you are surprised with the small one

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it's just getting friends together

drinking beers and having some drank or

moments

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there's no rift it's just like you do

whatever the [ __ ] you there's no real

patterns

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you gotta you gotta understand why they

were legendary and why you're not

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you're playing no score in 2015

you won't be as a jewelry as discharging

with everything you know in the heat the

name

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sort of like a joke - you know it's you

do it for fun you know you can't take

that stuff serious you know and yeah I

think if you take noise core seriously

you're a bit [ __ ] you know what is

happening what is what is going on here

this is just the greatest stuff in the

world

nobody knows how to do what they're

doing and everything's great you know

what how is this not how is this like it

it's reinventing music and not inventing

anything

it makes sense of business girls and

bands - what I noticed there's this girl

listening to that kind of music to me

I'm someone in a band enough music ice

cream that's it and I never over

analyzed it I never felt and I always

felt comfortable you know we're all

metalheads so we we kind of already have

that attitude of like [ __ ] you can't

tell me how to live my life right it

comes with the territory like it so I

think that allows people within our

community to look at me and go awesome

she's doing her own thing she's not

letting people tell her what to do and

so then therefore there's like a lot of

acceptance that at least I I feel I

receive I don't I I haven't felt any

negative responses even though I've seen

them on the internet right

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taking hormones doesn't change your

vocal chords it doesn't change the size

of them like once they're shaped the

shape that's it so you could get a

surgery to change it but it's wildly

successful so the way I learned to

change my voice was by finding a female

vocalist who was within my range that I

could sing and I would put her CD on in

my car and sing along with her when it

comes to doing vocals I'm kind of a

strong believer that you shouldn't

change the vocalist of the band if you

can help it because there's a lot of

character in that

I wanted to do something in between

Scotty you know from repulsion and

Barney from neighbor home death I got to

hang out with Barney a lot and we were

talking about his his vocal delivery and

that it's really hard to mix him because

he his vocals are so like projected that

they just clip everything right and I

was like that is [ __ ] cool like I

want to do that

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okay recording every guy all right you

know before this video dies like I just

want to say this coordinates axons it's

the last great evolution of grindcore

they took it to the next level I don't

know where to go after that nobody's

taking it and evolved it from that yet

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we've gone for noisy and and fast and

sometimes they would somehow I always go

tour it after that go towards like a

melody like when I when I listen to a

lot of music that I was trying to be

extreme it was like missing the hook you

know what I mean

something that takes you somewhere like

I like music that takes me someplace I

don't want to just listen to it and have

it watch over me you know I I want to

experience it somehow

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my thing was like as soon as you slow

down yourself it's not that melody is

bad like I mean I didn't want to Basin

the van because I didn't want groove and

rhythm I was so against how mental was

becoming accessible that's why I hated

power violence because it was like three

seconds of what were tough and we're

playing faster than this it's time to

start throwing down and like punching

the floor and being a douche bag hipster

[ __ ] piece of [ __ ] [ __ ] you've

power love Islands [ __ ] still get so

angry about this before his lyrics were

very personal but very negative in some

aspect yeah a lot of people thought we

were really pretentious because we

didn't follow the same guideline that

everyone else did I mean the last album

was a shot from my front yard at the

beach in the sky I I thought it was cool

though like that was the one thing I

always strive to be a little different

than everything else

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our first shows were actually overseas

that was where the most interest in this

foul music was was Japan

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what I liked about Japan every other

band that played it was like their last

show they were ever gonna play in their

lives every note and every you know

sweat blood and here people just went

for it

you can try to sound Japanese you can't

sound Japanese it's the way their

equipment is the way the rehearsal

spaces are set up it's the way their

shows are set up it's just a different

vibe

heresy from UK heresy and Concord Sox

split album then napalm death scum oh

don't forget sob a fast 7-inch

ultra-fast hardcore raging hardcore the

changes sound a bit and that's why I

started my own band

well Alfre grip started back in 1993

there is no grand cuisine how many

people showed up it's not so important

to me you know

I can say there is more bands than 10

years ago but I think it's still

underground music

well we like just leaving the country a

months out and back it in and then it'll

get and then to Japan a month out and

back again these bands like this Christ

that's the old style Turin where you

hook up in a van and drive across Europe

bands like piss cry so I think free laid

the groundwork for other bands from

Australia to just make the contacts over

there first and go look that black hole

organised something for us that local

organize something for us and they do it

and off they go

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Australian bands going through Southeast

Asia apparently never happened until

Warsaw did it in the 90s and then since

then it's very popular for Australian

bands to go into Southeast Asia

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I'm sort of spiking off atop me here

I've done a in-depth analysis of the

difference between national grand

cosines I felt it's a very international

thing actually I felt that you don't I

understand the lyrics you know you don't

have all these things have enabled it to

become more international than actual

national

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Nasim had a hook they'd [ __ ] throw

something in your like clicking with

that I got it I got it I got it got it

you know if you can get that hook and

you can just go hit it do it

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when you go to France or Spain or South

America they they have some kind of

humor to to it as well but that we just

don't have

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I'm Anders I'm the founding member of

Nasim I played every instrument in this

band starting as a guitarist and a

bassist and then going on to be the

drummer and singer so I've been living

with this band for more than half of my

life and it's going to stay with me

forever

of course cuz it's dead for one thing

Mexico would have hated to be a legend

people have asked me for orders of him

so he can make us a to his face and I

say don't do it because he would have

hated it like this really brutal sense

of humor which would crack me up all the

time yeah I was I was taking a shower

and I had this indie pop record on

really loud and it like then the music

would get blurred out by the showers I

could only hear like the bass

frequencies and that made me think of

this rare farmer and then he went out of

the shower and a kid and started like

playing doing an awesome riff off of

that

a huge amount respect for this guy but

yeah he had a split personality we could

be the most generous most like inviting

kind person but he could also be like a

really arrogant guy that would just be

like hardcore cold that sucks you suck

and I really enjoyed and feared those

qualities of him I didn't really know

him there are a lot of other people have

knowing much much better and have I've

seen another side of him that I didn't

never saw our relationship was so much

concentrated in tune awesome and that

was why I guess it doesn't mean that I

miss him every [ __ ] week

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we got a phone call from my girlfriend

not to fine saying do you know anything

about us cope and

my immediate thought was that he had

passed I don't think he had like a week

of that whole year he had been working

so hard that he really had to go on this

vacation and and it's just you know it's

just not fair

yes your sister went down to Thailand to

search for him she didn't find anything

Mishra's girlfriend wasn't a mess all

the bones in her body was broken and

everything so it was quite a strange

time because you never expect a bad

memory to dying a natural chemistry that

doesn't I mean someone can die out of

the bill in a car crash or whatever but

by a [ __ ] way woodworker

like a month and a half before his body

was actually found after that and how I

was such a is in such an insane

outpouring of you know support and

empathy it's indescribable how much

people cared about this grindcore singer

in some band you know I I tried to

remember him I said so that's that

really lively person he was

after Mishka died it just became this

whole sad or around

we felt like okay so the 20th

anniversary would be an opportunity to

actually do it like in the right way the

core of the DA was all original so to

speak not some members who just needed

someone to sing the song

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before the show he called me up and

asked if I want to do it and I was like

yes right away

I obviously wanted to do it without

understanding how difficult it's

difficult it's going to be

I wasn't trying to me I even couldn't

mimic him one-to-one and I was kind of

throwing in some of my own things which

were feeling more natural to me

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in the very beginning we just wanted to

have high-energy crust grind and we

looked after sounding a little bit like

extreme moister on doom what's us making

it more metal and more fast and more

furious more aggressive in our way and

then having metal background just made

it a little bit bigger song

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by the time the mid-90s are rolled

around Eric had diversified to the point

where they were maybe losing the focus

on what bands put them on the map in the

first place not not good communication

they were overseas and we had problems

when we were doing need to control like

when they lost all the artwork they

didn't pay us they they sold I'm sure

they sold only more records than they

told us they did there was that deal

that they did with Columbia and somehow

we didn't fit into their financial

spreadsheet these bands went from

nothing literally playing pubs to be on

Columbia Records napalm death God flesh

carcass it's insane right but that

actually happened because they were

selling so many records attractive you

know the major label scenes this stuff's

gonna break big next you know and it

didn't so we felt we weren't getting any

attention we deserved and that at the

same time relapse had come up and

relapse had really grown and expanded

we love has always been good about that

they've been on the forefront of

bringing like a lot of extreme stuff

like with misery index pig destroyer I

mean

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who trusts them there's been a lot of

people over the years different people

running the label but their ethics have

stayed the same we don't even have a

contract with relapse really it's it's

just an agreement a gentlemen's

agreement he actually stopped signing

gronckle band's later none maybe last

one was brutal truth 92 or whatever we

had a four album deal with brutal truth

and they they kind of preferred working

with relapse which was okay but it kind

of rattled me a little bit at the time

we had a label that we thought was kind

of getting a tiny bit too apathetic well

we had another label that lived 150

miles from us like dude eventually we

managed to negotiate who was me and Digg

sitting face-to-face at a conference

table at Eirik Records in New York and I

just said look man we would really

appreciate it if we could just go to a

label that we feel is gonna be a hundred

percent behind us right now we were

young and mouthy and he said fair enough

just don't talk [ __ ] about me like Jeff

Walker does and Kevin went on to

hopefully Diggs not like butthurt over

it anymore man but it was weird for a

minute you know there were young guys

they were like committed to what they

were doing as I was and between us we

kind of had a good thing going I mean he

went sour and a couple of occasions in

the intervening like 25 years luckily a

lot of them are kind of water under the

bridge now old hat

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so that's what uh well now that it is

about 17 years later I mean we did make

a pact at the time that we weren't going

to discuss it whether the original

guitar player was poaching money you

know nothing too wild or anything like

that he's tucking money away and I think

at the time I was like I don't really

care you know like but you know let's

not let him handle the money anymore

basically we had never had a manager in

the band different dudes in the bands

were trying to take care of it we had

one guy doing all the bad business

another guy in the band said what the

[ __ ] are you doing look this receipts

crumpled up on the windshield here you

know I'm not getting this ready to go on

tour unless I take over the business so

another guy took over the business he

proceeded to kind of run things into the

ground because he didn't know what he

was doing either but because he done

this hostile takeover he was too proud

to admit it if you ask the dude running

into band how much money we got in the

bank account today I'm just shrug at you

I'm just gonna say that it wasn't me or

rich you know Dan's really non

confrontational and it was easier for

him to dissolve the band than to address

the thievery this just can't go on

anymore it's not enjoyable

I don't play music to make a million

dollars I play it because I enjoy doing

it I no longer enjoy this [ __ ] this it's

over

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in school we were reading old Greek

texts in one of those texts I found the

name Agatha class it's a old Greek

freedom fighter he invited too rich for

a dinner and after dinner he killed them

all since I got Pablo's yeah yeah and

also a grandson as regardless

Archie gothis is a descendant of Agatha

Cleese the Greek tyrant of Syracuse but

also our name apparently in Italian

translates to where did you [ __ ] we've

been told are cockatoos old gray one so

we don't really [ __ ] know

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at some point a lot of so called grind

bands started with this homophobic thing

worshipping snuff movies oh yeah you

have records with dead people on can you

show me you know and that's totally not

what we mean with grind men score was

supposed to be just like leftist

political grind core you know no [ __ ]

homophobia no sexism no racism taking a

stance on all that and I don't know I've

always associated it with having a

really old-school kind of sound to

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I think of it as a a punk-rock

politically intention reboot or

grindcore at this critical moment where

things were getting to be I think really

bogged down with a lot of [ __ ] I

think it's like just intentionally

avoiding metal attitude I think Minsk or

was a response to like bad ribs it's

about okay it's Punk man I don't know it

is political but it also is a sound I

think it's like second generation you

know kind of mid score I was born around

the time I got the cleese was like doing

some of their first records some kind of

silly father-son thing they worship your

bands you know like this like in terms

of sound right much better yeah you know

but with like I got strong leftist

political I hear from him a lot of times

like oh now VIN score is something a

name I came up with and now there are

bands making Minsk were like yeah that's

really crazy

yeah now we have a splitted event called

haggis from America new bands playing

Minsk or

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or grind this is nasty it's guttural it

make it sounds like they're [ __ ] a

throwing up [ __ ] chainsaw it is

ripping through people and the vocals

are all there

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carcass like really started the whole

core grind thing I think like just as

far as like the vocals and just the

riffing style even just down to like how

the blast beats are played like it's

just it all goes back to carcass I'd

started carcass or attempted to an 85 as

I got to know Jeff Walker

I'm guessing towards the end of 86 we

kind of rekindled the whole thing and

this was the version of carcass that you

know people later you know came to know

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Jeff had accessed some they were kind of

like textbooks for students you know

students in pathology I think he just

cuss house tons and tons of stuff and

then created a collage

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I think it was a little bit of

begrudging respect for the the sleeve

and how low we were tuned we were using

a bit of Technology I think it was the

SPX 90 or something once we realized the

studio had one of those we just went

nuts on it

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he's like a basically an effect pedal to

pitch his voice down like at least an

octave maybe I to to me give it that

kind of it makes everybody sound like

the most brutal thing on earth as long

as you know all you got to do is yell

into it and it makes you sound like a

monster more about kind of a fantasy

element I think to it then and I don't

mean fantasy like swords and Conan ship

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like you write about [ __ ] up things in

your head that you probably wouldn't

otherwise speak about there's a

difference between like a band that like

talks about murder talks about death

talks about something talks about bleak

dark scary [ __ ] up [ __ ] that's one

thing

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place was packed drop-dead just finished

playing and I missed them because I had

to work and anal [ __ ] up there Seth

grabs the mic he starts walking around

the stage the band went on stage and

ball a some insulted the audience sing

was Sikh huiling and dropping n bombs

and saying some really shitty things

you're not gonna come to Providence and

pull that [ __ ] the corner of my eye I

see what I thought was Bob he had his

face was painted he was painted up like

a devil or something that night he had

horns on everything he just knocked

stuff like Clara down Clara off the

stage I knocked stuff off the stage and

then I got the ball with the drama then

just melee just happens to you

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I ended up getting arrested my brother

put a couple of those guys in the

hospital and turned into an ugly thing

and a riot happened to be honest with

you she's got a jail with said I know he

actually pressed charges against me

saying that I assaulted him and uh and I

guess I guess I did Honus forget you're

not coming to Providence to see Kyle and

it was a big big problem skinheads back

in like Boston Providence sorry New

England area and anal [ __ ] always

attracted the skin I think so they don't

know grind they don't know anything

about it but they love that you know all

the songs and stuff you know Hitler was

a sensitive man there you go if we did I

just [ __ ] with them they'd be like oh

you know you know they kind of like I'm

like no I'll make it fun of you

so why aren't Pinkett you I'm making fun

of you the racists are this there that I

can tell you I can assure you Seth was

never a racist I was never a racist Mike

was never a racist fred was never a

racist Polly was never a racist John was

never a racist

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I know a lot of stuff was

tongue-in-cheek you know I know but then

a lot of that stuff with Southwest

really legit he was definitely a hateful

spiteful just angry mess of a human

being you know what was he like

hilarious he was a good guy in there he

was cool they talked about pushing the

envelope man and was that all

tongue-in-cheek for him or was he just

stood yeah he was just like he would

poke he would just wanted to poke

everything like he was really [ __ ]

mentally deranged which was hard me cuz

I was like really close with the guy for

years John liked Seth quite a bit and

and Seth really took him to town for it

to stealing Seth's ideas a book written

by John Chang that was one of the song

titles on a record that set with them in

the into their guest listened and

there's a bunch of losers that that

would the other kids this is the guy to

my knowledge and to what I remember

Seth's favorite bands of all time or

negative approach and the Village People

he loved the Village People he saw the

Village People more than 30 times

seth has actually anal concepts stayed

at my house you know with my wife and

daughter in it you know there are times

any turned off and they just be a normal

person not just a maniac trying to [ __ ]

with people on the street but that being

said every time we don't hang out on

Lansdowne Street or something we'd

almost get arrested for him just [ __ ]

with people that are trying to eat in

the restaurant or something you can

arrest it often on stage no offstage I

don't I no comment on that one after the

shows in Philly or at least after one of

the shows when we were on the way back

to the house he was like how's the show

man I was like that's pretty good what

do you think he's like I don't remember

anything the shows I don't I I don't

think he like remembers the shows that

he did you know like I don't think he

could come offstage and be like oh that

was good or that softer whatever I think

when he came off he had no idea what was

going on you know it blacked out

the last time I saw it was a sub Club in

New York and Seth's mom was there and

after the show we were we were all

hanging out and Santa asked me if I'd

met his mom before and I said yeah no I

grabbed her out of the pit like she was

getting killed by these kids they were

just crashed into her and she's like

it's real woman she's like nothing so I

grabbed her and pulled her out so she

would stop getting clobbered and and he

freaked out and he said I'm gonna

[ __ ] kill you and like everybody in

the room just sort of stopped because he

wasn't joking and I remember what he did

to Terry from grief I mean he hit the

guy in the face intentionally and

knocked out half the teeth in his face

and even his mom was except you know

what are you doing calm down why are you

upset and he just like he was insane I

heard later on he went out got a crack

and got like high that night like ended

up sleeping on the street someplace he

wasn't really [ __ ] disturbed by

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sometimes the stress of touring it could

do that used to be the full-time think

as misery index toward you know some

years we do 200 plus shows in a year and

that was like the life you know I'm glad

we don't do that anymore to be honest

hurry up and wait you know show up bloat

in wait around play pack up get goin a

huge thing you know is like drinking

bands drink like crazy because you're

sitting around all day or beer you know

there's nothing to do you just slept

somewhere and it's the biggest [ __ ] Honi

every slip up in your life on tour we do

sleep at people's houses and not at

hotels cuz we can't afford a hotels and

you wake up in the morning and your

whole body from inside out is dirty it's

it's not what people think it is you

know they don't thinks it's this whole

[ __ ] drug orgy and that sort of thing

and you know it's a job you know like

any other but it's just a little

different whenever someone asked me that

you guys have had a job my Joey's drops

it's how could we not

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it's no money to be made maybe that's

what makes money

napalm that makes money brittle true

except that like you're lucky when you

pu your your gas and your van payments

you know I mean like I try to do

everything I can as much as I can but

I'm borrowing money from my friends to

print t-shirts I'm borrowing money from

my wife it's arranged in a circle so to

speak where it's like I'll press at this

plant and then I'll press the next one

here and then I'll pay this guy and this

guy so you know it's always get person

two steps behind is always getting paid

and the records kind of go around a

circle that way we started out in the

little unit that was probably as big as

this little square and then I got a

bigger one and then we moved into this

one we had to expand into another one

over there and it keeps growing which is

cool but records is a it's a messy

business man I think that was what DIY

was about it was like Moses like being

about you entrepreneurs and not

necessarily catering to what big

companies want

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of course DIY goes long way it can be

also a lifestyle and in many other ways

the interviews fanzines spread near

flyers getting the recording sending it

to you mastered getting the artwork all

together cut all the covers and we made

it multiple layers but in certainly Oh

stupid stuff - our - ourselves we tried

to produce everything coordinate the

merchandise we booked the flights in

back then you could count on people to

actually buy your records like you know

if they were interested they wanted to

support you because it was a DIY thing

they recognized that the kind of content

you were making would not exist unless

you did you don't need the big stupid

labels who rip you off by big contracts

and blah blah blah try to keep

everything in your own hands try to work

with people you've created created a

network with it's possible because we

are doing it and we get oh [ __ ] released

everywhere

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I was working as a booking agent doing

booking and management at relapse

records and there was a guy who I was in

touch with that organized shows

somewhere in Michigan and he was doing

some sort of management for Eyehategod

who had lost all of their equipment in

the Katrina who's there there are so

rooms flooded out this guy put together

a benefit CD and got in touch with me he

was like hey what brutal truth want to

do something on this you know because we

were friends with Eyehategod and played

tons of shows with them in the past you

know

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we got together quote-unquote just to

record that which I think Guren plays on

Guren came back and played and his chops

were just rotten so it didn't really

work out but we decided we wanted to do

it anyways we tried this other guy Jody

who'd done some stuff and killed a

client and stuff and it was okay but uh

Burke was more of a fit

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Eric became a full member of brutal

truths and then when it was time to

write I had a great writing partner

because I wrote a lot of stuff back in

the old days but having Eric and his

classic fluid style

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the two records I deal with him are

[ __ ] awesome I'm very proud of him

and I love you know so it was it was

definitely a good a good feeling I feel

fortunate to play for three of my

[ __ ] favorite bands you know

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there a lot of people would call me a

dick for that you know what so be it I'm

a dead

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it was a really good friend of mine and

we were like brothers really four of us

lived in the same house it was me Danny

Kezia Mitch lived in the same edge you

know we wouldn't crank Paul and Jesse

was it was a regular she's very

classical guitarist as well Jesse was

one of nicest guys ever apart from being

one of the godfathers a grind like

anybody you have perhaps corners of a

personality that you know you don't show

everybody you never drank really that

much when he came to England I think him

you know when when you're young and

fresh young America moving to England I

think but I think towards the end there

was just a lot of stuff going his head

with various things and he was drinking

a little bit more than perhaps he should

okay I can't pinpoint say the exact

thing that was going on towards the end

but it just got very intense I just I

think it slightly affect he's playing a

little bit really unfortunately and I

was really concerned for him and kind of

my suggestion or a suggestion it you go

back home

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I touched him a few times on the phone I

would saw him a couple of times and

wasn't quite exactly the Jessi that I

remember unfortunately

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and then it's sad because away it ended

with me and him I go Richard we would

have had more time we hardly would have

talked things out and who knows what

could have been but uh it's just uh too

bad yeah I wasn't even allowed to go

laughs you know

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oh well that's what you get you [ __ ]

[ __ ] and then he died lol I guess it

was kind of a weird thing when he did

die because we have some friends that

are like yes of putnams dead because

he's a total piece of [ __ ] and other

people that are like god it's a bummer

you know so I I would hate to be stoked

about anyone's death you know I don't

think that's a really positive way to

approach things I don't want to like

[ __ ] on his memory but like yeah he was

a [ __ ] scumbag I mean he was like a

real backstabbing piece of [ __ ] in the

end of his life I don't know what the

hell happened

Seth was a good guy I enjoy partying

with him and joined hanging out with him

you know [ __ ] tragedy that happened

you know

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you know we were obviously older and he

had gone through the coma we got

together and we we did a 20th

anniversary show he did a show in town

it was you know and this is one of those

moments where I'd never thought I'd ever

see it's like we played in our hometown

to a [ __ ] sold-out crowd of just

crazy AC fans I'm like never did that

ever happen in our town I I can tell you

that the last time I saw him I'm looking

I was looking at his face I was looking

closely at him and I said you're

jaundiced man we would go in the road

and he would do things he's you know a

person in a healthy body could shouldn't

do and he was doing stuff and a body

that had been really [ __ ] and you know

he would be like I'm gonna go do this

I'm like hey look man you're an adult

you can do what you want I could kick

and scream all I want and I can't do

that anymore when when I his wife called

me I was not surprised I was

disappointed

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people see that set that you know rolled

around on stage did a lot of drugs I

know a guy that he and I would sit and

watch movies all day or watch The

Simpsons and [ __ ] eat Chinese food

and talk about goofy stuff or play music

or you know that was you know it's my

friend you know and that's what I miss

you know I missed that guy you know and

it's just sucks

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grindcore is kind of I don't think it's

just a ping what the original bands did

it's not really that fresh is it I mean

the future grindcore really is I would

say some our electronic element I don't

actually know for sure that someone's

got to surprise me but if it's not if it

doesn't include that it wouldn't be very

contemporary music I don't think

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you know for a while it was a studio

band we played three songs at a New

England metal hardcore festival in 2003

something like that we've had a few

plans to do it but I should say

discussions

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feel good mr. stage get up yeah pingas

where was the side project agoraphobic

was the main thing because we'd already

had honky Reduction out on relapse and

they'd already been kind of like a

ground swell for agoraphobic at that

point and wins there ever a thought was

that always there yeah I mean we always

kind of didn't really want a drummer but

we did entertain having a drummer and we

actually I practiced with Dave Witte a

couple times in the early 90s but I

think Jay and I just wanted to keep it

very simple and didn't want to

overcomplicate agoraphobic with playing

live strangely enough we're gonna need

some drums like snare and kick up their

snare kick vocals and probably guitar

and bass we need a little bit of time

for the changeover what could go wrong

tomorrow night oh there's lots that

could go wrong somebody could spill beer

on the computer we could have some

equipment problems unplug a cable

there's a million cables plugged in

there could be a fire the cops can come

and shut this show down somebody could

have a heart attack I don't know that's

why I just want to get through this one

gig and see what the what the unforeseen

things are that can happen hopefully

nothing hopefully nothing

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I want it straight forward everything

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noise just go you know Code Red

hit it

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I don't know what's a ride across from

the outside

oh that looks like a pumpkin

wait we think watermelon is like stuck

over oh hey I can't go like cantaloupe

or uh coconut yeah cheese has arrived

well which what the [ __ ] support right

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