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We're ready. 5 00:02:08,336 --> 00:02:09,922 One, two, three. 6 00:02:14,885 --> 00:02:19,347 I haven't seen you for many years, since 1968. 7 00:02:20,641 --> 00:02:25,854 I have decided that I will do no more jazz festivals. 8 00:02:26,855 --> 00:02:29,107 That decision has not changed. 9 00:02:30,818 --> 00:02:32,736 I will sing for you, 10 00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:37,157 or we will do and share with you a few moments, 11 00:02:38,158 --> 00:02:42,454 after which I shall graduate to a higher class, I hope, 12 00:02:42,537 --> 00:02:44,873 and I hope you will come with me. 13 00:02:45,791 --> 00:02:48,168 We will start from the beginning, 14 00:02:50,378 --> 00:02:52,715 which was about a little girl, 15 00:02:54,216 --> 00:02:56,051 and her name was Blue. 16 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:00,490 What's "free" to you, Nina? 17 00:04:00,573 --> 00:04:01,742 - What's "free" to me? - Yeah. 18 00:04:01,825 --> 00:04:04,202 Same thing it is to you. You tell me. 19 00:04:04,286 --> 00:04:06,329 No, no, you tell me. 20 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:08,123 I don't know. 21 00:04:10,708 --> 00:04:13,086 It's just a feeling. 22 00:04:13,170 --> 00:04:15,422 It's just a feeling. 23 00:04:15,505 --> 00:04:18,591 It's like, "How do you tell somebody how it feels to be in love?" 24 00:04:18,675 --> 00:04:21,636 How are you going to tell anybody who has not been in love 25 00:04:21,719 --> 00:04:23,138 how it feels to be in love? 26 00:04:23,221 --> 00:04:25,390 You cannot do it to save your life. 27 00:04:25,473 --> 00:04:28,852 You can describe things but you can't tell them, 28 00:04:28,936 --> 00:04:31,354 but you know it when it happens. 29 00:04:31,438 --> 00:04:33,023 That's what I mean by "free." 30 00:04:33,106 --> 00:04:36,693 I've had a couple of times onstage when I really felt free, 31 00:04:36,777 --> 00:04:38,862 and that's something else. 32 00:04:38,946 --> 00:04:42,074 That's really something else! 33 00:04:42,157 --> 00:04:45,327 Like, all... all... Like... like... 34 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:48,872 I'll tell you what freedom is to me, no fear. 35 00:04:51,208 --> 00:04:53,961 I mean, really, no fear. 36 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:57,965 If I could have that 37 00:04:58,048 --> 00:05:01,969 half of my life, no fear. 38 00:05:56,064 --> 00:05:59,192 My mother was one of the greatest entertainers of all time, 39 00:05:59,276 --> 00:06:00,903 hands down... 40 00:06:00,986 --> 00:06:02,362 but she paid a huge price. 41 00:06:03,821 --> 00:06:06,699 People seem to think that when she went out on stage, 42 00:06:06,783 --> 00:06:10,620 that was when she became Nina Simone. 43 00:06:10,703 --> 00:06:12,915 My mother was Nina Simone 24/7... 44 00:06:12,998 --> 00:06:17,085 and that's where it became a problem. 45 00:06:52,620 --> 00:06:58,043 When she was performing, she was brilliant, she was loved. 46 00:06:58,126 --> 00:07:00,212 She was also a revolutionary. 47 00:07:00,295 --> 00:07:03,340 She found a purpose for the stage, 48 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:09,346 a place from which she could use her voice to speak out for her people. 49 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,816 But when the show ended, everybody else went home. 50 00:07:21,899 --> 00:07:25,487 She was alone and she was still fighting... 51 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:28,781 but she was fighting her own demons... 52 00:07:28,865 --> 00:07:31,659 full of anger and rage. 53 00:07:33,203 --> 00:07:35,580 She couldn't live with herself... 54 00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:38,208 and everything fell apart. 55 00:08:10,407 --> 00:08:13,701 Good evening. Our guest tonight is Nina Simone. 56 00:08:13,785 --> 00:08:18,165 Probably the foremost blues singer, jazz singer, singer of all songs 57 00:08:18,248 --> 00:08:19,707 in the United States today. 58 00:08:19,791 --> 00:08:23,378 Nina, are you happy with the kind of work you are doing? 59 00:08:23,461 --> 00:08:25,588 What makes me the happiest, 60 00:08:25,672 --> 00:08:28,966 is when I'm performing and there are people out there 61 00:08:29,051 --> 00:08:32,345 who feel with me and I know I touched them. 62 00:08:32,429 --> 00:08:34,431 But to be completely honest, 63 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:37,559 the whole thing seems so much like a dream. 64 00:08:37,642 --> 00:08:41,063 I never thought I was gonna stay in show business. 65 00:08:41,146 --> 00:08:43,106 When I first got into show business, 66 00:08:43,190 --> 00:08:46,193 I wasn't a blues singer and I wasn't even a jazz singer. 67 00:08:46,276 --> 00:08:48,361 I was a classical pianist. 68 00:08:48,445 --> 00:08:49,696 I studied to become 69 00:08:49,779 --> 00:08:53,075 the first black classical pianist in America, 70 00:08:53,158 --> 00:08:55,493 and that's all that was on my mind. 71 00:08:55,577 --> 00:08:58,913 That's what I was prepared to be. 72 00:08:59,497 --> 00:09:03,043 I was born Eunice Waymon, which is my real name, by the way, 73 00:09:03,126 --> 00:09:06,671 in a town called Tryon, North Carolina. 74 00:09:06,754 --> 00:09:10,967 I started to play the piano when I was three or four. 75 00:09:11,051 --> 00:09:13,136 My mother was a preacher 76 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:17,307 and she took me with her on her revivals, 77 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:20,017 and I started to play the piano in church. 78 00:09:39,121 --> 00:09:43,040 Revival meetings were some of the most exciting times 79 00:09:43,125 --> 00:09:45,085 that I've ever had. 80 00:09:45,168 --> 00:09:47,254 The music was so intense, 81 00:09:47,337 --> 00:09:49,922 you just sort of went out of yourself. 82 00:09:50,006 --> 00:09:51,258 I felt it tremendously. 83 00:09:51,341 --> 00:09:52,800 I was leading it. 84 00:09:54,261 --> 00:09:59,349 When I was seven, the choir of our church gave a program at the local theater, 85 00:09:59,432 --> 00:10:02,769 and I was on that program... 86 00:10:02,852 --> 00:10:05,272 And I played some song, I don't remember what it was, 87 00:10:05,355 --> 00:10:09,359 and these two women, two white women, in the audience heard me. 88 00:10:09,442 --> 00:10:11,903 One of them was the woman that my mother worked for, 89 00:10:11,986 --> 00:10:15,657 and the other one was a music teacher, Mrs. Mazzanovich, 90 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:18,618 and they decided right then and there to give me lessons. 91 00:10:18,701 --> 00:10:21,496 And so, for five years after that, 92 00:10:21,579 --> 00:10:25,167 I studied piano, classical piano, with this teacher. 93 00:10:30,004 --> 00:10:34,259 I crossed the railroad tracks every weekend to get to Mrs. Mazzanovich. 94 00:10:34,342 --> 00:10:35,885 And, you know, railroad tracks in the South 95 00:10:35,968 --> 00:10:38,180 are supposed to be dividing the blacks from the whites. 96 00:10:38,263 --> 00:10:39,431 Well, it really did. 97 00:10:40,348 --> 00:10:42,309 I was so scared. 98 00:10:42,392 --> 00:10:44,977 Mrs. Mazzanovich frightened me. 99 00:10:45,061 --> 00:10:49,982 It was her being white, in the sense that I had never seen. 100 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:51,943 She was alien to me. 101 00:10:52,026 --> 00:10:55,780 Her white hair, the combs in it, her pleasantness... 102 00:10:56,364 --> 00:10:58,241 I loved that. 103 00:10:58,325 --> 00:11:00,452 And she started me on Bach. 104 00:11:00,535 --> 00:11:03,330 And this Bach, I liked him. 105 00:11:08,168 --> 00:11:10,212 Mrs. Mazzanovich had it in her mind 106 00:11:10,295 --> 00:11:14,299 that I was gonna be one of the world's greatest concert pianists. 107 00:11:14,382 --> 00:11:17,927 So it was all very disciplined classical music. 108 00:11:18,010 --> 00:11:22,098 Bach, Beethoven, Debussy, Brahms, you name it. 109 00:11:22,181 --> 00:11:26,894 Then Mrs. Mazzanovich got a fund together, "Eunice Waymon Fund," 110 00:11:26,978 --> 00:11:28,980 and I gave lots of recitals, 111 00:11:29,063 --> 00:11:30,064 and they would take up collection 112 00:11:30,147 --> 00:11:33,610 to further my education after I had left her. 113 00:11:34,736 --> 00:11:38,155 Mommy took to all of the training like a fish to water, 114 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,949 but it was a double-edged sword. 115 00:11:40,032 --> 00:11:41,618 She had a very lonely life 116 00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:45,121 because she was practicing seven, eight hours a day. 117 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:47,081 When I first started to take lessons, 118 00:11:47,164 --> 00:11:48,791 I became terribly aware 119 00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:52,504 of how isolated I was from the other children, 120 00:11:52,587 --> 00:11:55,298 and how isolated I was 121 00:11:55,382 --> 00:11:58,217 from the white community and the negro community. 122 00:11:58,301 --> 00:12:02,013 I felt it, all the time, even when the kids used to play with me. 123 00:12:02,096 --> 00:12:05,475 They always wanted me just to play the piano for them to dance. 124 00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:08,395 I wasn't asked too much to do anything else. 125 00:12:08,478 --> 00:12:11,648 That was very hard. 126 00:12:12,649 --> 00:12:16,110 Part of that isolation, of course, was the thing about color. 127 00:12:17,028 --> 00:12:20,239 I was a black girl, and I knew about it, and I lived in it. 128 00:12:20,323 --> 00:12:22,367 I lived in the South for 17 years. 129 00:12:24,118 --> 00:12:26,746 My mom rarely referred to Jim Crow and segregation 130 00:12:26,829 --> 00:12:31,918 and a lot of the racial issues that were going on at that stage in her life. 131 00:12:32,001 --> 00:12:35,004 But she did tell me about times when she was told her nose was too big, 132 00:12:35,087 --> 00:12:37,299 her lips were too full and her skin was too dark. 133 00:12:38,215 --> 00:12:40,718 And after she was told that, they probably told her, 134 00:12:40,802 --> 00:12:44,472 "There's only certain things you'll be good for in your life." 135 00:12:44,556 --> 00:12:46,683 What I knew, I knew. 136 00:12:46,766 --> 00:12:50,144 But we weren't allowed to mention anything racial in our house. 137 00:12:50,227 --> 00:12:52,980 I wasn't consciously dealing with race. 138 00:12:53,064 --> 00:12:55,358 That wasn't consciously on my mind at all... 139 00:12:55,942 --> 00:12:57,944 until years later. 140 00:13:02,907 --> 00:13:05,201 After I graduated from high school, 141 00:13:05,284 --> 00:13:08,705 the money that had been saved from the Eunice Waymon Fund 142 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:13,960 sent me to New York to Juilliard for a year and a half. 143 00:13:14,877 --> 00:13:21,008 And then I applied for a scholarship to Curtis Institute of Music in Philadelphia. 144 00:13:21,092 --> 00:13:25,430 I was playing Czerny and Liszt and Rachmaninoff and Bach. 145 00:13:25,513 --> 00:13:30,184 I knew I was good enough, but they turned me down, 146 00:13:30,267 --> 00:13:35,940 and it took me about six months to realize it was because I was black. 147 00:13:36,023 --> 00:13:42,154 I never really got over that jolt of racism at the time. 148 00:13:44,782 --> 00:13:46,534 Then the money ran out 149 00:13:46,618 --> 00:13:49,829 and the reality hit me that I had to go to work. 150 00:13:49,912 --> 00:13:54,959 My parents had moved the whole family to Philadelphia to be near me, 151 00:13:55,042 --> 00:13:58,212 and my family is very poor, so I had to work. 152 00:13:58,295 --> 00:13:59,964 What else was there for me to do? 153 00:14:00,047 --> 00:14:04,260 So, I got myself a job in Atlantic City for a summer. 154 00:14:04,343 --> 00:14:06,846 It was a very crummy bar 155 00:14:07,597 --> 00:14:11,809 and I used to go in in evening gowns. I didn't know any better. 156 00:14:11,893 --> 00:14:14,353 And I played everything that I could think of. 157 00:14:14,437 --> 00:14:17,857 Pop songs, classical, spirituals, all kinds of things. 158 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:20,276 It was very strange. 159 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,612 And I had never sung before, 160 00:14:22,695 --> 00:14:24,406 and the owner came in the second night 161 00:14:24,489 --> 00:14:27,950 and told me if I wanted to keep the job, I had to sing. 162 00:14:30,828 --> 00:14:34,957 So, $90 was more money than I had ever heard of in my life, 163 00:14:35,041 --> 00:14:38,294 so I said, "Well, I'll sing," and ever since then, I've been singing. 164 00:14:41,548 --> 00:14:45,217 Eunice Waymon was playing in the bars to support her family 165 00:14:45,301 --> 00:14:49,972 and to have money to continue her classical piano training. 166 00:14:50,056 --> 00:14:51,724 But since she didn't want her mother to know that 167 00:14:51,808 --> 00:14:55,186 she was playing "the devil's music" in bars, 168 00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:57,897 she changed her name. 169 00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:00,274 Eunice Waymon became Nina Simone. 170 00:15:01,693 --> 00:15:04,654 She named herself "Niña," meaning "little one," 171 00:15:04,737 --> 00:15:07,198 and she had a boyfriend who called her "Niña," 172 00:15:07,281 --> 00:15:12,036 and "Simone" came from the French actress Simone Signoret. 173 00:15:12,954 --> 00:15:14,664 I didn't want my mother to find out. 174 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:16,499 I knew she would hate it. 175 00:15:16,583 --> 00:15:21,463 So I, kind of, kept it from her for a long, long time. 176 00:15:21,546 --> 00:15:23,172 Was it lonely for a young girl 177 00:15:23,255 --> 00:15:24,924 entertaining in these strange bars? 178 00:15:25,007 --> 00:15:26,968 Extremely. Extremely lonely. 179 00:15:27,051 --> 00:15:28,928 Working peculiar hours, I imagine. 180 00:15:29,011 --> 00:15:31,138 12:00 midnight to 7:00 in the morning. 181 00:15:31,222 --> 00:15:32,807 It ruined your social life, uh... 182 00:15:32,890 --> 00:15:34,100 Never had much of one. 183 00:15:34,183 --> 00:15:37,353 - Why'd you keep on with it? - Couldn't help it. 184 00:15:37,437 --> 00:15:40,565 I have to play and I needed money. 185 00:15:40,648 --> 00:15:46,195 It was always a matter of necessity from day to day what I'm going to do. 186 00:15:46,278 --> 00:15:48,322 I didn't even know I was going to stay in show business. 187 00:15:48,405 --> 00:15:50,617 I never thought about a choice. 188 00:16:00,710 --> 00:16:05,006 From the beginning, I felt there was something eating at her. 189 00:16:05,089 --> 00:16:07,759 You know, "What's eating at you, Nina?" 190 00:16:07,842 --> 00:16:09,218 And, um... 191 00:16:11,053 --> 00:16:13,347 gradually that got stronger. 192 00:16:31,783 --> 00:16:33,951 The first time I played with Nina, 193 00:16:34,035 --> 00:16:39,666 it was the summer of 1957 at a restaurant in New Hope, Pennsylvania. 194 00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:41,250 She didn't look at me. 195 00:16:41,333 --> 00:16:44,295 Said nothing, as though I wasn't... I wasn't even there, 196 00:16:44,378 --> 00:16:47,965 and started in on a song. 197 00:16:48,049 --> 00:16:49,926 She never told me what key she was going to be in. 198 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:53,763 She just started playing, and I knew exactly where I was going to go with it. 199 00:16:53,846 --> 00:16:57,559 It was like we had a telepathic relationship. 200 00:16:57,642 --> 00:17:00,394 Before you knew it, we were just weaving in and out. 201 00:17:00,477 --> 00:17:03,022 And then she looked up. 202 00:17:12,824 --> 00:17:16,578 Al Schackman is a terribly sensitive, creative man. 203 00:17:16,661 --> 00:17:18,120 He has perfect pitch, 204 00:17:18,204 --> 00:17:20,665 which means that no matter what key I'm in, 205 00:17:20,748 --> 00:17:24,376 he's able to adapt himself immediately, 'cause I do that all the time. 206 00:17:24,460 --> 00:17:27,213 I'll change the key in the middle of a tune. 207 00:17:29,757 --> 00:17:34,762 Nina had a wonderful way of taking a piece of music, and... 208 00:17:34,846 --> 00:17:39,976 not interpreting it, but... but, like, metamorphosizing it. 209 00:17:41,185 --> 00:17:45,106 You know, morphing it into her experience. 210 00:17:53,698 --> 00:17:57,910 What I was interested in was conveying an emotional message, 211 00:17:57,994 --> 00:18:00,537 which means using everything you've got inside you 212 00:18:00,622 --> 00:18:02,874 sometimes to barely make a note 213 00:18:02,957 --> 00:18:05,459 or if you have to strain to sing, you sing. 214 00:18:05,542 --> 00:18:08,004 So sometimes I sound like gravel, 215 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:11,173 and sometimes I sound like coffee and cream. 216 00:18:32,528 --> 00:18:37,033 When I first saw Nina at my club in 1959, 217 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:39,451 I was impressed. She was different. 218 00:18:39,535 --> 00:18:42,329 She mixed in folk music with jazz. 219 00:18:42,413 --> 00:18:44,624 She played very fine piano. 220 00:18:44,707 --> 00:18:48,169 Her voice was totally different from anybody else. 221 00:18:48,252 --> 00:18:52,381 It was a woman's voice, but it had the depth of a baritone. 222 00:18:53,299 --> 00:18:59,221 That depth and that darkness carried the insight of what was in Nina's soul... 223 00:19:00,222 --> 00:19:02,474 and it reached you very quickly. 224 00:19:24,246 --> 00:19:28,125 She was an artist. She was an original artist. 225 00:19:28,209 --> 00:19:32,379 So we paid attention, and in 1960, I put her on the Newport Jazz Festival, 226 00:19:32,463 --> 00:19:34,966 and she was a hit there. 227 00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:04,078 Her sound is so original. 228 00:20:04,161 --> 00:20:05,705 When she first appeared... 229 00:20:05,788 --> 00:20:08,332 she was one of those musicians who... 230 00:20:08,415 --> 00:20:10,918 Once... You don't have to hear them a bunch. 231 00:20:11,002 --> 00:20:14,088 If you hear them once, then the next time you hear 'em, you say, 232 00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:16,132 "Oh, that's that same one I heard last week. 233 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:18,592 Nobody sounds like that except her." 234 00:20:26,308 --> 00:20:27,309 At Newport, 235 00:20:27,393 --> 00:20:30,271 she was sitting on a high stool with a tambourine, 236 00:20:30,354 --> 00:20:31,438 and I was in the back. 237 00:20:31,522 --> 00:20:34,441 She wasn't sure she wanted to go through with it. 238 00:20:34,525 --> 00:20:38,905 If I remember right, she was a little, you know, "What am I doing here?" 239 00:20:38,988 --> 00:20:41,573 And I said, "You're here because, you know, you belong here." 240 00:20:49,498 --> 00:20:52,293 And she said, "Okay, Al, but you better play." 241 00:20:52,376 --> 00:20:55,087 And I said, "Don't worry, I'll play." 242 00:21:02,469 --> 00:21:05,932 But then, if you watch during her performance of "Little Liza," 243 00:21:06,015 --> 00:21:08,142 she has that little smile from time to time. 244 00:21:09,601 --> 00:21:11,312 She let go, and it was really cute. 245 00:21:21,197 --> 00:21:23,574 Then I recorded seven or eight tunes 246 00:21:23,657 --> 00:21:25,785 that I had been doing all of those years, 247 00:21:25,868 --> 00:21:28,704 and of course, the public picked out "I Loves You Porgy." 248 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:32,249 It was not pushed or promoted to be a hit at all. 249 00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:44,971 - Girls! Guys! Hi. - Hi, Hugh, nice to see you. 250 00:21:45,054 --> 00:21:46,055 Real good. 251 00:21:46,138 --> 00:21:48,515 Eleanor, you want to, uh, take Don's coat here, 252 00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:52,103 and maybe you can show the girls where the powder room is and bedroom. 253 00:21:52,186 --> 00:21:53,687 Hello, there. 254 00:21:53,770 --> 00:21:55,314 Very nice to have you with us this evening. 255 00:21:55,397 --> 00:21:56,523 This is Playboy's Penthouse, 256 00:21:56,607 --> 00:22:00,277 and I'm Hugh Hefner, editor/publisher of Playboy magazine. 257 00:22:01,487 --> 00:22:05,574 I'd like you to meet someone that I think most of you know, Nina Simone. 258 00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:10,246 She came out of nowhere in the last year as a recording star. 259 00:22:10,329 --> 00:22:12,832 Now has a very, very big record in "Porgy" 260 00:22:12,915 --> 00:22:14,959 that is breaking all kinds of sales records. 261 00:22:15,042 --> 00:22:16,543 We're very happy she could join us 262 00:22:16,627 --> 00:22:18,045 - tonight on Playboy's Penthouse... - Thanks. 263 00:22:18,129 --> 00:22:22,674 And she's going to play and sing a little bit for us now with her group. 264 00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:27,263 Do you want to hear "Porgy"? 265 00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:29,140 - Very much! - Right! 266 00:22:29,223 --> 00:22:31,725 Good, that's what we'll do. 267 00:23:45,466 --> 00:23:48,219 Nina, there's a man named Andy Stroud. 268 00:23:48,302 --> 00:23:51,263 He walked into your life and became a permanent part. 269 00:23:51,347 --> 00:23:52,931 How did you meet your husband? 270 00:23:53,015 --> 00:23:58,854 He came to see me at a nightclub and a mutual friend introduced us. 271 00:23:58,937 --> 00:24:03,525 Nina came to the table and sat, and I was eating a hamburger plate, 272 00:24:03,609 --> 00:24:06,820 and there were fries, and she dipped into them. 273 00:24:06,903 --> 00:24:09,223 And she wanted to know if it was okay. I said, "All right." 274 00:24:09,281 --> 00:24:14,495 We got cute and then she gave me that card with a note on it. 275 00:24:14,578 --> 00:24:19,041 Then I went over to see her at her place in the next day or two. 276 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:41,730 How did you know that Andy Stroud was to be your husband 277 00:24:41,813 --> 00:24:44,775 and not just another guy out for a date or something else? 278 00:24:44,858 --> 00:24:47,736 That's a hard question. 279 00:24:47,819 --> 00:24:51,365 He told me that he had wanted to meet me for a long time. 280 00:24:51,448 --> 00:24:54,076 And he had come for me. I fell in love with him. 281 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,997 Then later, he scared me to death. He was so, you know... 282 00:24:59,081 --> 00:25:02,876 He knew what he wanted and he just took over. 283 00:25:05,671 --> 00:25:09,258 He abandoned his own career as a sergeant of the police department 284 00:25:09,341 --> 00:25:10,551 to manage me, 285 00:25:10,634 --> 00:25:15,056 and for the first time, I knew what it was not to be just floundering out there. 286 00:25:33,532 --> 00:25:35,367 I just remember meeting Andy. 287 00:25:35,451 --> 00:25:41,373 Here was a tough, New York, you know, vice squad cop, 288 00:25:41,457 --> 00:25:46,170 that when he stepped out of his car uptown, people ran. 289 00:25:47,754 --> 00:25:52,509 And he had... he had a way of just saying one word... 290 00:25:52,593 --> 00:25:54,261 "Hey." 291 00:25:54,345 --> 00:25:57,598 and that could put a lot of fear in people. 292 00:25:57,681 --> 00:26:01,852 But Andy and Nina married in 1961. 293 00:26:01,935 --> 00:26:05,439 He retired from the police force and became her manager, 294 00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:06,523 and he did well for her. 295 00:26:06,607 --> 00:26:10,111 They bought a beautiful house in Mount Vernon, New York. 296 00:26:10,194 --> 00:26:15,031 We had a 13-room house, four acres of land, lot of trees. 297 00:26:47,731 --> 00:26:50,442 And Lisa was born nine months later. 298 00:26:50,526 --> 00:26:56,532 The first three hours after Lisa was born were the most peaceful in my life, 299 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:59,285 and I was in love with the world. 300 00:26:59,368 --> 00:27:00,369 And Andrew was there. 301 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,538 He was sitting right there, and he said... 302 00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:04,790 I said, "How's the baby?" He says, "How's the mother?" 303 00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:07,000 And I loved him for that. 304 00:27:07,083 --> 00:27:08,752 I loved being a mother. 305 00:27:08,835 --> 00:27:10,671 I was a good mother. 306 00:27:10,754 --> 00:27:13,507 I was a goddamn good mother. 307 00:27:14,425 --> 00:27:16,552 I remember our house in Mount Vernon 308 00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:17,844 like the back of my hand. 309 00:27:17,928 --> 00:27:19,137 It was like a fairy tale. 310 00:27:19,221 --> 00:27:21,890 I remember seeing the paisley on the walls. 311 00:27:21,973 --> 00:27:24,935 The walls were kind of like a... 312 00:27:25,018 --> 00:27:27,396 They were hued in gold, but it really wasn't gold. 313 00:27:27,479 --> 00:27:29,147 It was more like a muted gold 314 00:27:29,231 --> 00:27:30,774 but it felt like it was velvet. 315 00:27:30,857 --> 00:27:35,821 So I'd always run my hands, like, over the walls, because it was textured. 316 00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:38,324 And my mom, she had her cold storage 317 00:27:38,407 --> 00:27:42,578 where she kept her fur coats and her costumes. 318 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:44,288 So I was always in there. 319 00:27:44,871 --> 00:27:46,665 These were the good, sweet days. 320 00:27:46,748 --> 00:27:50,336 We were building and growing together. 321 00:27:57,926 --> 00:28:02,973 I had an overall plan to develop and create her as an artist. 322 00:28:03,056 --> 00:28:06,977 I had set up an office at 5th Avenue and 42nd Street. 323 00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:09,271 I had a publicist. 324 00:28:09,355 --> 00:28:14,276 I had a guy who was a record-promotion man that I got from Atlantic Records. 325 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:18,280 I had another fellow who did the college radio station promotion, 326 00:28:18,364 --> 00:28:21,533 and a photographer. 327 00:28:21,617 --> 00:28:23,034 Dad was the original Puff Daddy. 328 00:28:23,118 --> 00:28:27,706 I mean, he really had a vision, and he was a very astute businessman. 329 00:28:27,789 --> 00:28:30,959 And of course, she was burning to get on to Carnegie Hall. 330 00:28:31,042 --> 00:28:35,171 She had trained as a classical pianist with the one thought in mind 331 00:28:35,256 --> 00:28:39,343 of being the first black female classical pianist 332 00:28:39,426 --> 00:28:41,220 to appear in Carnegie Hall. 333 00:28:41,303 --> 00:28:43,430 That was her prime objective. 334 00:28:45,516 --> 00:28:48,810 However, none of the New York City promoters 335 00:28:48,894 --> 00:28:51,355 would undertake this project. 336 00:28:51,438 --> 00:28:55,484 So, I took my own money to promote the appearance. 337 00:28:56,735 --> 00:29:01,573 She was ecstatic. I mean, she was out of her mind with joy. 338 00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:05,827 You apparently wrote a letter to your parents saying, 339 00:29:05,911 --> 00:29:08,204 "This is where you wanted me to play, 340 00:29:08,289 --> 00:29:10,624 - but I should have been playing Bach." - "Playing Bach." 341 00:29:10,707 --> 00:29:12,293 So this was your glory occasion, 342 00:29:12,376 --> 00:29:13,877 but you were still disappointed? 343 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,129 Well, I loved the audience, 344 00:29:16,212 --> 00:29:20,133 but I wasn't playing classical music, and I wanted to be, 345 00:29:20,216 --> 00:29:21,217 and so I wrote, 346 00:29:21,302 --> 00:29:26,181 "Yes, I'm in Carnegie Hall, finally, but I'm not playing Bach." 347 00:30:23,238 --> 00:30:24,615 After Carnegie Hall, 348 00:30:24,698 --> 00:30:27,618 she was getting airplay all over the country, 349 00:30:27,701 --> 00:30:30,371 magazine pictures and stories. 350 00:30:37,961 --> 00:30:41,965 She became highly successful and recognized. 351 00:30:44,468 --> 00:30:47,053 - Oh! Thank you very much! - Meeting in Japan. 352 00:30:47,137 --> 00:30:49,723 A young woman who's made a very emphatic name for herself... 353 00:30:49,806 --> 00:30:51,933 An accomplished pianist and distinctive... 354 00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:53,577 who's now become a rather famous artist. 355 00:30:53,602 --> 00:30:56,062 A remarkable blues-soul sound. 356 00:30:56,146 --> 00:30:58,106 For the first time on British television, 357 00:30:58,189 --> 00:31:00,025 The High Priestess of Soul... 358 00:31:01,317 --> 00:31:03,236 - Nina Simone. - Nina Simone. 359 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:04,405 The great Nina Simone. 360 00:31:08,283 --> 00:31:10,285 Miss Simone brings to her music 361 00:31:10,369 --> 00:31:12,203 a kind of technique and discipline 362 00:31:12,287 --> 00:31:14,540 we generally associate with classical music. 363 00:31:14,623 --> 00:31:17,208 She has introduced fugue and counterpoint 364 00:31:17,292 --> 00:31:20,837 into the freewheeling spontaneity of the jazz world. 365 00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:26,301 Nina, do you think that 366 00:31:26,385 --> 00:31:28,929 now that you are successful as a popular artist 367 00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:30,681 that you'd like to do any classical? 368 00:31:30,764 --> 00:31:34,225 Yes, but I don't have time to think about it too much. 369 00:31:34,309 --> 00:31:38,730 But you have to realize that when I'm most satisfied with my music, 370 00:31:38,814 --> 00:31:43,026 I call upon all of the things that I have learned in classical music. 371 00:31:47,656 --> 00:31:51,034 She wanted everything that money and success could buy. 372 00:31:51,117 --> 00:31:55,038 So I promised her that she was going to be a rich black bitch. 373 00:31:55,121 --> 00:31:57,749 We had a blackboard and he used to put on there, 374 00:31:57,833 --> 00:32:00,711 "I'll be a rich black bitch by this such-and-such date," 375 00:32:00,794 --> 00:32:03,505 and he said, "Then you could quit," and I always believed him, 376 00:32:03,589 --> 00:32:06,382 but I never could quit because he worked me too hard. 377 00:32:46,923 --> 00:32:50,135 Andy said, "Nina, it's hard work. 378 00:32:50,218 --> 00:32:52,596 You wanna make the money, you have to work." 379 00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:54,640 And she resented that. 380 00:32:54,723 --> 00:32:55,891 Then Lisa was born, 381 00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:59,853 and she resented being torn away, having to go on the road. 382 00:33:04,858 --> 00:33:07,861 I didn't realize what my mom did for a living. 383 00:33:07,944 --> 00:33:10,656 I just know that Mom was always traveling. 384 00:33:10,739 --> 00:33:14,075 My mother often told me that I had 13 nannies in seven years. 385 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:16,369 So, while she was trying to maintain 386 00:33:16,452 --> 00:33:20,123 some sense of a schedule for me and normalcy for me, 387 00:33:20,206 --> 00:33:21,708 she was out there doing what she was doing. 388 00:33:21,792 --> 00:33:24,294 Can I have five more minutes? It's very frustrating... 389 00:33:24,377 --> 00:33:27,548 When we were on the road, there were times we had to be careful. 390 00:33:27,631 --> 00:33:30,634 She could get angry and start arguments with people. 391 00:33:30,717 --> 00:33:31,927 Y'all pushing! You're pushing! 392 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:34,429 Don't put nothin' in it! Let's do it again. 393 00:33:34,513 --> 00:33:37,348 If anyone were talking in the audience, she would just sit, 394 00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:41,436 and at first, she would say, "Please..." 395 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,064 and she said, "I'm not continuing." 396 00:33:44,147 --> 00:33:47,400 She'd get up, walk out, and the gig was over. 397 00:33:47,483 --> 00:33:49,069 I just want them to listen to the music 398 00:33:49,152 --> 00:33:51,029 like they did in the classical world. 399 00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:54,616 I thought they needed teaching. If they couldn't listen, fuck it! 400 00:33:56,535 --> 00:33:58,203 She got into Carnegie Hall, 401 00:33:58,286 --> 00:34:04,543 and she got the big house in the country, but she began questioning herself. 402 00:34:04,626 --> 00:34:08,755 She'd get into moods of depression about the whole business, 403 00:34:08,839 --> 00:34:12,217 the personal relationship, cursing and smashing things, 404 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,596 and this worsened as the time went by. 405 00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:33,529 All I did was work, work, work. 406 00:34:33,614 --> 00:34:37,909 I was always tired. I was always tired. 407 00:34:37,993 --> 00:34:39,620 I could never sleep. 408 00:34:39,703 --> 00:34:42,455 You see, music always goes through my head, 409 00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:45,834 which means the more I played, the less I could relax. 410 00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:48,336 I kept thinking Andy would let me rest. 411 00:34:48,419 --> 00:34:50,046 He never did. 412 00:35:20,243 --> 00:35:23,747 She felt she was being handled like a racehorse, 413 00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:26,541 and she was always fighting, fighting, fighting it. 414 00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:30,003 Andy would say, "Nina, we've got a career here. 415 00:35:30,086 --> 00:35:33,256 That's not going to continue if you don't nurture it." 416 00:35:33,339 --> 00:35:37,093 So, she came to resent Andy... 417 00:35:37,177 --> 00:35:38,804 but she was afraid of Andy. 418 00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:44,017 Andrew protected me against everybody but himself. 419 00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,853 He wrapped himself around me like a snake. 420 00:35:46,937 --> 00:35:50,440 I worked like a dog, and I was scared of him... 421 00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:52,567 and Andrew beat me up. 422 00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:55,070 But I've never talked to you about this. 423 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:58,364 But he beat me up. I was deathly scared of Andrew. 424 00:36:12,628 --> 00:36:17,718 One time, early in the morning, like 4:00, 5:00 in the morning, uh... 425 00:36:17,801 --> 00:36:23,056 the phone rings. It's Nina, and she needed to hide out. 426 00:36:26,059 --> 00:36:30,396 I had gone to a discotheque with Andrew... 427 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,066 and a fan came up to me and gave me a note, 428 00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:36,737 and he saw me take this note and put it in my pocket. 429 00:36:40,281 --> 00:36:43,326 She thought nothing of it. I mean, she related this to me. 430 00:36:43,409 --> 00:36:45,787 And Andy came back and grabbed her arm 431 00:36:45,871 --> 00:36:49,750 and took her out from the place and beat her up. 432 00:36:49,833 --> 00:36:54,004 And when I got out on the street, he started raining blows on me. 433 00:36:54,087 --> 00:36:55,338 Bloody blows. 434 00:36:55,421 --> 00:36:57,966 He beat me all the way home, 435 00:36:58,049 --> 00:37:03,679 up the stairs, in the elevator, in my room, put a gun to my head. 436 00:37:03,764 --> 00:37:06,057 Then he tied me up and raped me. 437 00:37:10,061 --> 00:37:14,649 She came to my place and... and she was beat up. 438 00:37:14,733 --> 00:37:17,527 And I, you know, put her to bed, and... 439 00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:22,198 and she, you know, rested for a couple of days. 440 00:37:22,282 --> 00:37:24,492 He didn't find me for two weeks. 441 00:37:24,575 --> 00:37:26,577 My eyes, I couldn't see. 442 00:37:26,661 --> 00:37:29,247 And he said, "Who beat you up like that?" 443 00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:30,331 And I said, "You did!" 444 00:37:30,415 --> 00:37:32,876 He said, "No, I didn't. I've been looking for you for two weeks." 445 00:37:32,959 --> 00:37:35,586 I said, "You're insane!" 446 00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:39,215 He was brutal... but I... I loved him 447 00:37:39,299 --> 00:37:42,718 and I guess I just believed he wouldn't do it anymore. 448 00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:56,649 My mother always said, till the day she died, 449 00:37:56,732 --> 00:37:59,945 Dad was the best manager that she ever had. 450 00:38:00,028 --> 00:38:02,030 But on top of being charismatic, 451 00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:06,451 he could be a bully and he could be very mean, 452 00:38:06,534 --> 00:38:10,789 and she was on the receiving end of that... 453 00:38:10,872 --> 00:38:14,793 more times than, you know, she should have been, 454 00:38:14,876 --> 00:38:16,211 which should have been never. 455 00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:19,798 Mom would allude to, you know, 456 00:38:19,881 --> 00:38:23,218 "He's rammed my head into a concrete wall." 457 00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:25,428 She said that he punched her in the stomach 458 00:38:25,511 --> 00:38:27,055 when she was pregnant with me. 459 00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:46,657 As a child, I remember sitting in the car between them 460 00:38:46,741 --> 00:38:48,869 and they were arguing about something, 461 00:38:48,952 --> 00:38:52,538 and I remember my father reaching across me, 462 00:38:52,622 --> 00:38:55,000 so it was like this, and backhanding her. 463 00:38:56,376 --> 00:39:00,839 We're going home in the car, I'm driving, and I slapped her. 464 00:39:00,922 --> 00:39:05,260 Blood spurted... right over this eyebrow. 465 00:39:05,343 --> 00:39:10,265 She had, like, a one-inch cut from my ring, you know. 466 00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:11,641 We got her home 467 00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:16,354 and I clipped the skin together and taped it... 468 00:39:16,437 --> 00:39:19,900 and a week later, there wasn't even a scar. 469 00:39:22,235 --> 00:39:23,904 I think they were both nuts. 470 00:39:23,987 --> 00:39:26,364 She stayed with him. 471 00:39:26,447 --> 00:39:28,366 She had this love affair with fire. 472 00:39:31,327 --> 00:39:34,122 That's like inviting the bull with the red cape, 473 00:39:34,205 --> 00:39:36,958 "Just come on into my kitchen and let's see what we can do." 474 00:39:37,042 --> 00:39:39,002 That's what she did. 475 00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:41,379 - What do I want for her? - Yes. 476 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:44,007 Myself. What else? 477 00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:45,841 Career-wise. 478 00:39:47,343 --> 00:39:50,680 My father had a strategic plan in terms of 479 00:39:50,763 --> 00:39:53,183 how Mom's career was going to go. 480 00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:56,561 He wanted her to be able to win all the awards, 481 00:39:56,644 --> 00:40:00,190 and to become the huge star that he knew that she could be... 482 00:40:01,942 --> 00:40:04,402 but she wanted something more. 483 00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:08,281 There was something missing in her, some meaning. 484 00:40:13,703 --> 00:40:17,748 They died in Birmingham, the nation's most segregated big city. 485 00:40:17,832 --> 00:40:19,459 Dynamite exploded on Sunday morning, 486 00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:22,712 killed four little girls, injured 20 other Negroes. 487 00:40:22,795 --> 00:40:24,464 It was one of more than 40 bombings 488 00:40:24,547 --> 00:40:25,715 in that Birmingham area. 489 00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:33,264 Kids were murdered in Birmingham on a Sunday 490 00:40:33,348 --> 00:40:36,184 and in Sunday schools in a Christian nation, 491 00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:37,435 and nobody cares! 492 00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:43,816 When the kids got killed in that church... that did it. 493 00:40:43,899 --> 00:40:46,361 First you get depressed, and after that, you get mad. 494 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:49,405 And when these kids got bombed, 495 00:40:49,489 --> 00:40:51,741 I just sat down and wrote this song. 496 00:40:51,824 --> 00:40:55,495 And it's a very... moving, violent song, 497 00:40:55,578 --> 00:40:57,580 'cause that's how I feel about the whole thing. 498 00:41:33,158 --> 00:41:34,367 "Mississippi Goddam." 499 00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:35,618 Phew! 500 00:41:35,701 --> 00:41:37,412 Hmm? Got my attention. 501 00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:40,498 What she was doing was different. 502 00:41:40,581 --> 00:41:44,627 There's something about a woman... 503 00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:48,881 if you look at all the suffering that black folks went through... 504 00:41:48,964 --> 00:41:54,262 not one black man would dare say, "Mississippi, goddam." 505 00:41:54,345 --> 00:42:00,101 And then to have someone with her stature talking about your problem, 506 00:42:00,185 --> 00:42:02,353 you know how happy they had to be? 507 00:42:02,437 --> 00:42:05,315 We all wanted to say it. She said it. 508 00:42:06,482 --> 00:42:08,193 "Mississippi, goddam!" 509 00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:35,845 For Mommy to write a song called "Mississippi Goddam" 510 00:42:35,928 --> 00:42:37,097 was revolutionary. 511 00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:40,516 They didn't have cursing on the radio or on television or anything. 512 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,060 DJ's refused to play it, 513 00:42:42,143 --> 00:42:47,357 and boxes of the 45s used to be sent back from the radio stations cracked in two. 514 00:43:11,005 --> 00:43:13,966 As the civil rights movement really swung into high gear, 515 00:43:14,049 --> 00:43:16,302 she swung into high gear with it. 516 00:43:16,386 --> 00:43:21,766 In '65, we played at the Selma March in Montgomery, Alabama. 517 00:43:21,849 --> 00:43:25,895 We have a legal and constitutional right 518 00:43:25,978 --> 00:43:29,440 to march from Selma to Montgomery! 519 00:43:29,524 --> 00:43:32,026 It was extremely dangerous. 520 00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:34,279 The federal Marshals were called in, 521 00:43:34,362 --> 00:43:38,032 and they were standing on the tops of all the buildings downtown 522 00:43:38,116 --> 00:43:40,368 with guns. 523 00:43:40,451 --> 00:43:43,954 Seated in front of the stage facing the audience 524 00:43:44,038 --> 00:43:45,498 was Martin Luther King, 525 00:43:45,581 --> 00:43:49,919 Ralph Bunche from the UN and a lot of other worldwide dignitaries. 526 00:43:50,002 --> 00:43:54,382 You had Langston Hughes, James Baldwin, Sidney Poitier, 527 00:43:54,465 --> 00:43:57,593 Bill Cosby, Leonard Bernstein, Harry Belafonte, 528 00:43:57,677 --> 00:43:59,595 and we did "Mississippi Goddam." 529 00:44:30,168 --> 00:44:32,753 My mother said that after she sang that song, 530 00:44:32,837 --> 00:44:36,674 she got so angry that her voice broke... 531 00:44:36,757 --> 00:44:38,509 and from "Mississippi Goddam" on, 532 00:44:38,593 --> 00:44:43,013 it never, ever returned to its former octave. 533 00:44:45,516 --> 00:44:49,937 But I think that Mom's anger is what sustained her. 534 00:44:50,938 --> 00:44:55,901 The energy and the creativity and the passion of those days 535 00:44:55,985 --> 00:44:57,653 is really what kept her going. 536 00:45:13,168 --> 00:45:14,837 When she wrote "Mississippi Goddam," 537 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,422 I thought it was something else. 538 00:45:16,506 --> 00:45:18,424 You know, I liked it. 539 00:45:18,508 --> 00:45:21,552 They put a 45 out on it, and I knew it had a lot of impact. 540 00:45:22,262 --> 00:45:24,722 But my complaint was that 541 00:45:24,805 --> 00:45:28,809 while I was always pushing for the commercial side of the picture, 542 00:45:28,893 --> 00:45:33,147 she got sidetracked with all of these civil rights activities. 543 00:45:34,399 --> 00:45:37,402 When the civil rights thing came up, all of a sudden, 544 00:45:37,485 --> 00:45:43,157 I could let myself be heard about what I'd been feeling all the time. 545 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,577 When I was young, I knew to stay alive. 546 00:45:46,661 --> 00:45:49,580 As a black family, we had to work at it. 547 00:45:49,664 --> 00:45:51,874 We had to keep secrets. 548 00:45:51,957 --> 00:45:55,002 We never complained about being poor, 549 00:45:55,085 --> 00:45:58,423 or being taken advantage of or not getting our share. 550 00:45:58,506 --> 00:46:00,925 We had to keep our mouths shut 551 00:46:01,008 --> 00:46:04,219 as I walked across that railroad track every Saturday. 552 00:46:04,304 --> 00:46:07,139 So I knew to break the silence 553 00:46:07,222 --> 00:46:11,686 meant a confrontation with the white people of that town. 554 00:46:14,564 --> 00:46:16,399 And though I didn't know I knew it, 555 00:46:16,482 --> 00:46:20,027 if the black man rises up and says, "I'm just not gonna do that anymore..." 556 00:46:23,864 --> 00:46:26,241 he stands to get murdered. 557 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:33,999 But no one mentioned that, which is, indeed, quite strange. 558 00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:55,980 It touched me first time when I gave a recital at this library. 559 00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:58,315 Everybody was seated 560 00:46:58,399 --> 00:47:00,943 and they told me my parents had to sit in the back, 561 00:47:01,026 --> 00:47:02,027 and I said, 562 00:47:02,111 --> 00:47:04,697 "If they have to sit in the back, I won't perform." 563 00:47:04,780 --> 00:47:06,156 They fixed it that time 564 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,743 and they brought them to the front and they let them sit down, 565 00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:13,956 but it was my first feeling of being discriminated against, 566 00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:17,460 and I recoiled in horror at such a thing. 567 00:48:27,029 --> 00:48:32,367 I choose to reflect the times and the situations in which I find myself. 568 00:48:32,452 --> 00:48:34,870 That, to me, is my duty... 569 00:48:34,954 --> 00:48:37,665 and at this crucial time in our lives, 570 00:48:37,748 --> 00:48:42,252 when everything is so desperate, when every day is a matter of survival, 571 00:48:42,336 --> 00:48:44,589 I don't think you can help but be involved. 572 00:48:44,672 --> 00:48:46,381 Young people, black and white, know this, 573 00:48:46,466 --> 00:48:49,093 and so that's why they're so involved in politics. 574 00:48:49,176 --> 00:48:51,095 We will shape and mold this country 575 00:48:51,178 --> 00:48:54,223 or it will not be molded and shaped at all anymore. 576 00:48:54,306 --> 00:48:55,746 So I don't think you have a choice... 577 00:48:55,808 --> 00:48:59,228 How can you be an artist and not reflect the times? 578 00:49:41,854 --> 00:49:43,939 I've always thought that I was shaking people up, 579 00:49:44,023 --> 00:49:46,441 but now I want to go at it more 580 00:49:46,526 --> 00:49:50,404 and I want to go at it more deliberately and I want to go at it coldly. 581 00:49:50,487 --> 00:49:53,490 I want... I want to shake people up so bad 582 00:49:53,574 --> 00:49:57,662 that when they leave a nightclub where I've performed, 583 00:49:57,745 --> 00:49:59,789 I just want them to be to pieces. 584 00:49:59,872 --> 00:50:02,166 All right! 585 00:51:05,646 --> 00:51:07,898 I want to go in that den 586 00:51:07,982 --> 00:51:12,527 of those elegant people with their old ideas, smugness, 587 00:51:12,612 --> 00:51:14,404 and just drive them insane. 588 00:51:14,488 --> 00:51:15,990 Rise up! 589 00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:36,927 It's all right if you dance slow! 590 00:51:44,268 --> 00:51:47,688 But it was very exhilarating to be part of that movement at the time 591 00:51:47,772 --> 00:51:49,481 because I was needed. 592 00:51:49,564 --> 00:51:55,320 Now I could sing to help my people, and that became the mainstay of my life. 593 00:51:55,404 --> 00:52:00,743 Not classical piano, not classical music, not even popular music, 594 00:52:00,826 --> 00:52:03,328 but civil rights music. 595 00:52:03,412 --> 00:52:08,375 I got to know Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Andrew Young, 596 00:52:08,458 --> 00:52:12,046 and artists, actors, actresses, poets, writers, 597 00:52:12,129 --> 00:52:16,508 people like myself who felt compelled to make the stand that I have. 598 00:52:16,591 --> 00:52:20,304 It was very important for her to connect with 599 00:52:20,387 --> 00:52:23,265 the writers and playwrights of that moment 600 00:52:23,348 --> 00:52:25,059 because those people had 601 00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:28,312 the intellectual background of the movement 602 00:52:28,395 --> 00:52:29,855 and she didn't have that. 603 00:52:29,939 --> 00:52:31,941 She had music, the musical background. 604 00:52:32,607 --> 00:52:34,234 For instance, Langston Hughes, 605 00:52:34,318 --> 00:52:36,904 he wrote the lyrics for "Backlash Blues" for her. 606 00:52:36,987 --> 00:52:41,200 Lorraine Hansberry, Nina took her play, Young, Gifted, and Black, 607 00:52:41,283 --> 00:52:42,743 and made a song out of it. 608 00:52:42,827 --> 00:52:43,828 It's regarded as 609 00:52:43,911 --> 00:52:46,413 one of the most important songs in the civil rights movement. 610 00:52:47,414 --> 00:52:50,584 I know that there are only 300 black students here 611 00:52:50,667 --> 00:52:53,921 in this college of 18,000. 612 00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:57,424 So this song is dedicated only to you. 613 00:53:15,234 --> 00:53:17,527 Lorraine Hansberry was my best friend, 614 00:53:17,611 --> 00:53:21,490 and she wrote plays, Raisin in the Sun and Young, Gifted, and Black. 615 00:53:21,573 --> 00:53:24,994 She taught me a lot about Karl Marx, Lenin, philosophy. 616 00:53:25,077 --> 00:53:27,287 The basic fabric of our society 617 00:53:27,371 --> 00:53:29,749 that has Negroes in the situation that they are in 618 00:53:29,832 --> 00:53:32,793 is the thing which must be changed, you know. 619 00:53:39,008 --> 00:53:41,844 Those times were pretty amazing. 620 00:53:41,927 --> 00:53:45,305 I look back now and I'm just like, "Wow! Who's who of Black America!" 621 00:53:45,389 --> 00:53:47,182 Lorraine Hansberry was my godmother. 622 00:53:47,266 --> 00:53:51,395 Malcolm X's wife, Betty Shabazz, was my auntie. 623 00:53:51,478 --> 00:53:53,939 They lived right next door in Mount Vernon. 624 00:53:54,023 --> 00:53:55,941 There are six daughters and I was like the seventh. 625 00:53:56,025 --> 00:53:58,443 So I was always riding my bike over there. 626 00:53:58,527 --> 00:54:01,571 Lisa and I were the same age, and... 627 00:54:01,655 --> 00:54:04,116 I think we may have called one another twins. 628 00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:06,827 It was just a great, great time. 629 00:54:06,911 --> 00:54:09,204 There was music, there were discussions. 630 00:54:09,288 --> 00:54:13,793 Whether it was at our house or Lisa's house, Nina Simone's home, 631 00:54:13,876 --> 00:54:16,921 it was definitely party with a purpose. 632 00:54:17,546 --> 00:54:19,965 We happened to be a fly on the wall 633 00:54:20,049 --> 00:54:27,014 with some of the genius poets and poetesses of the time, the era. 634 00:54:27,097 --> 00:54:29,892 And to sit in that room and listen... 635 00:54:29,975 --> 00:54:33,728 These were brilliant, well-read, well-traveled, 636 00:54:33,813 --> 00:54:38,275 charming, alluring, charismatic people 637 00:54:38,358 --> 00:54:41,403 who were moved to make a difference in the world. 638 00:54:42,029 --> 00:54:45,615 I'm born of the Young, Gifted, and Black affirmation. 639 00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:49,244 For me, and those of us in that environment, 640 00:54:49,328 --> 00:54:52,497 it was daring to proclaim it... 641 00:54:52,581 --> 00:54:56,543 and then share it joyously when she sang it. 642 00:55:01,340 --> 00:55:05,594 People would stand up and engage in their African-ness 643 00:55:05,677 --> 00:55:07,762 without apology... 644 00:55:07,847 --> 00:55:11,433 and it's a contemporary, hip song of the era. 645 00:55:11,516 --> 00:55:14,394 It means you get to hum it in public. 646 00:55:19,524 --> 00:55:22,987 She became a legend in the activists' movement, 647 00:55:23,070 --> 00:55:26,656 and through meetings and discussions that I overheard, 648 00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:30,202 she was convinced that certain things must be done 649 00:55:30,285 --> 00:55:33,580 in order to... push the revolution. 650 00:55:33,663 --> 00:55:36,416 I told them that's not the answer, 651 00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:41,713 and then it began to manifest in her attitude towards me and the business. 652 00:55:41,796 --> 00:55:43,465 She'd fly off. 653 00:55:43,548 --> 00:55:45,050 I remember a few nights, you know, 654 00:55:45,134 --> 00:55:47,677 you go to bed happy and holding one another. 655 00:55:47,761 --> 00:55:48,762 I wake up, 656 00:55:48,845 --> 00:55:51,640 and she'd be sitting up in bed with her arms folded, 657 00:55:51,723 --> 00:55:53,642 looking at me, thinking about killing me. 658 00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:59,564 And this is how it went. The political work became very heavy. 659 00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:02,943 To me, we are the most beautiful creatures 660 00:56:03,027 --> 00:56:05,237 in the whole world, black people. 661 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,783 So my job is to make them more curious 662 00:56:09,866 --> 00:56:12,161 about where they came from 663 00:56:12,244 --> 00:56:16,873 and their own identity and pride in that identity. 664 00:56:16,957 --> 00:56:18,250 That's why my songs... 665 00:56:18,333 --> 00:56:20,920 I try to make them as powerful as possible, 666 00:56:21,003 --> 00:56:24,381 mostly just to make them curious about themselves. 667 00:56:24,464 --> 00:56:26,050 We don't know anything about ourselves. 668 00:56:26,133 --> 00:56:27,134 We don't even have 669 00:56:27,217 --> 00:56:30,012 the pride and the dignity of African people, 670 00:56:30,095 --> 00:56:32,973 but we can't even talk about where we came from. 671 00:56:33,057 --> 00:56:34,683 We don't know. 672 00:56:34,766 --> 00:56:36,893 It's like a lost race. 673 00:57:56,806 --> 00:58:02,604 I really mean to provoke this feeling of, like, "Who am I? Where'd I come from?" 674 00:58:02,687 --> 00:58:05,274 You know, "Do I really like me?" and, "Why do I like me?" 675 00:58:05,357 --> 00:58:08,360 And, like, you know, "If I am black and beautiful, 676 00:58:08,443 --> 00:58:11,821 I really am and I know it, and I don't care who cares or says what." 677 00:59:04,624 --> 00:59:06,668 This is what compels me 678 00:59:06,751 --> 00:59:10,464 to push black people to identify with black culture. 679 00:59:10,547 --> 00:59:15,969 Giving out to them that black-ness, that black power. 680 00:59:25,770 --> 00:59:27,731 Nina was a real rebel. 681 00:59:27,814 --> 00:59:29,233 She didn't really fit 682 00:59:29,316 --> 00:59:33,112 in the revolutionary black female role that was offered her. 683 00:59:33,862 --> 00:59:37,116 She could avoid pretentious phoniness 684 00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:39,618 and get more depth out of a song 685 00:59:39,701 --> 00:59:42,412 than people are used to hearing out of those songs. 686 00:59:45,790 --> 00:59:49,711 She was a kind of patron saint of the rebellion. 687 01:00:00,514 --> 01:00:03,433 Nina started to get more aggressive. 688 01:00:03,517 --> 01:00:07,020 I remember one time as she walked right up to Dr. King and said, 689 01:00:07,687 --> 01:00:10,399 "I'm not non-violent!" 690 01:00:10,482 --> 01:00:14,611 And he said, "That's okay, sister. You don't have to be." 691 01:00:14,694 --> 01:00:18,323 I was never non-violent. Never. 692 01:00:18,407 --> 01:00:22,244 I thought we should get our rights by any means necessary. 693 01:00:22,327 --> 01:00:24,746 And then she met Stokely Carmichael. 694 01:00:24,829 --> 01:00:27,666 Miss Simone says something very significant 695 01:00:27,749 --> 01:00:29,918 in her song "Mississippi Goddam." 696 01:00:30,001 --> 01:00:34,923 She says, "This country..." She says, "This country is built on lies." 697 01:00:35,006 --> 01:00:37,592 You're gonna sit in front of your television set 698 01:00:37,676 --> 01:00:39,553 and listen to LBJ tell you that, 699 01:00:39,636 --> 01:00:43,390 "Violence never accomplishes anything, my fellow Americans." 700 01:00:43,473 --> 01:00:47,144 And the honky drafting you out of school to go fight in Vietnam. 701 01:00:47,227 --> 01:00:49,563 If you don't want any trouble, 702 01:00:49,646 --> 01:00:52,816 keep your filthy white hands off our beautiful black skin. 703 01:00:52,899 --> 01:00:54,568 Keep them off! 704 01:00:55,068 --> 01:00:59,323 I am just one of the people who is sick of the social order, 705 01:00:59,406 --> 01:01:02,867 sick of the establishment, sick to my soul of it all. 706 01:01:02,951 --> 01:01:06,955 To me, America's society is nothing but a cancer, 707 01:01:07,038 --> 01:01:10,584 and it must be exposed before it can be cured. 708 01:01:10,667 --> 01:01:12,001 I am not the doctor to cure it. 709 01:01:12,085 --> 01:01:15,755 All I can do is expose the sickness. 710 01:01:17,674 --> 01:01:20,344 Are you ready, black people? 711 01:01:20,427 --> 01:01:21,803 Yeah! 712 01:01:23,012 --> 01:01:24,389 Are you ready, black people? 713 01:01:24,473 --> 01:01:25,682 Yeah! 714 01:01:27,184 --> 01:01:30,103 - Are you really ready? - Yeah! 715 01:01:30,645 --> 01:01:32,939 She wanted to align herself 716 01:01:33,022 --> 01:01:37,026 with the extreme terrorist militants who were influencing her. 717 01:01:37,110 --> 01:01:39,654 And after all of these meetings with all these people, 718 01:01:39,738 --> 01:01:40,739 she would come to me and, 719 01:01:40,822 --> 01:01:44,368 "Let's get the guns. Let's poison the reservoir." 720 01:01:44,451 --> 01:01:47,246 All sorts of violent terrorist acts. 721 01:01:47,329 --> 01:01:52,501 Are you ready to call the wrath of black gods... black magic... 722 01:01:52,584 --> 01:01:53,585 Yeah! 723 01:01:53,668 --> 01:01:55,086 To do your bidding? 724 01:01:55,169 --> 01:01:57,049 Black people are never going to get their rights 725 01:01:57,130 --> 01:01:59,508 unless they have their own separate state. 726 01:01:59,591 --> 01:02:02,969 And if we'd have armed revolution, there'd be a lot of blood. 727 01:02:03,052 --> 01:02:05,054 I think we'd have that separate state. 728 01:02:05,138 --> 01:02:09,058 Are you ready to smash white things? 729 01:02:09,142 --> 01:02:11,811 Yeah! 730 01:02:11,895 --> 01:02:13,855 To burn buildings, are you ready? 731 01:02:13,938 --> 01:02:15,982 Yeah! 732 01:02:16,065 --> 01:02:18,067 At a certain point, Nina started to play 733 01:02:18,151 --> 01:02:21,029 only political songs and nothing else, 734 01:02:21,112 --> 01:02:22,739 and that started to hurt her career. 735 01:02:22,822 --> 01:02:25,242 That became a problem to book her, 736 01:02:25,325 --> 01:02:27,035 because promoters were a little bit afraid that 737 01:02:27,118 --> 01:02:31,498 it might only be the political message that you were getting. 738 01:02:31,581 --> 01:02:34,418 Are you ready to kill if necessary? 739 01:02:34,501 --> 01:02:36,253 Yeah! 740 01:02:36,336 --> 01:02:38,004 Is your mind ready? 741 01:02:38,087 --> 01:02:39,088 Yeah! 742 01:02:39,172 --> 01:02:41,508 - Is your body ready? - Yeah! 743 01:02:41,591 --> 01:02:45,094 If I'd had my way, I'd have been a killer. 744 01:02:45,178 --> 01:02:47,931 I would have had guns, and I would have gone to the South 745 01:02:48,014 --> 01:02:51,476 and gave them violence for violence, shotgun for shotgun, 746 01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,102 but my husband told me... 747 01:02:53,186 --> 01:02:55,647 I didn't know anything about guns, and he refused to teach me, 748 01:02:55,730 --> 01:02:58,275 and the only thing I had was music, so I obeyed him. 749 01:02:58,358 --> 01:03:01,736 But if I'd had my way, I wouldn't be sitting here today. 750 01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:03,780 I'd be probably dead. 751 01:03:03,863 --> 01:03:06,240 Are you really, really, really ready? 752 01:03:06,325 --> 01:03:07,867 Yeah! 753 01:03:07,951 --> 01:03:10,412 She's putting down the white people... 754 01:03:10,495 --> 01:03:13,665 I mean, you know, like a barking dog, 755 01:03:13,748 --> 01:03:16,585 but she still wanted all the good things. 756 01:03:16,668 --> 01:03:23,216 Whenever she'd see, like, Aretha Franklin and Gladys Knight and all of these people 757 01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:28,763 on the prime television shows, she, of course, was very upset because 758 01:03:28,847 --> 01:03:33,267 she wasn't able to get on to these shows because of her reputation. 759 01:03:33,352 --> 01:03:38,398 It got so that there wasn't that much work and the expenses were high. 760 01:03:38,482 --> 01:03:41,860 It was cutting the legs out from all the work that I had done. 761 01:03:41,943 --> 01:03:43,653 See you later. 762 01:03:43,737 --> 01:03:45,405 I'll see you later. 763 01:03:45,489 --> 01:03:46,490 I remember my dad 764 01:03:46,573 --> 01:03:49,493 complaining about the fact that she never stopped speaking out, 765 01:03:49,576 --> 01:03:51,620 but that's who she was. 766 01:03:51,703 --> 01:03:52,912 It was okay when you were onstage. 767 01:03:52,996 --> 01:03:54,373 It's okay 'cause you let it all hang out, 768 01:03:54,456 --> 01:03:56,666 and then when the show ends and the lights go out, 769 01:03:56,750 --> 01:03:58,668 "Okay, let's put the monkey back in the cage, 770 01:03:58,752 --> 01:04:01,546 and eat your banana and, you know, just behave yourself." 771 01:04:02,213 --> 01:04:05,174 It was like she was penalized and punished 772 01:04:05,258 --> 01:04:07,719 for being herself. 773 01:04:07,802 --> 01:04:13,141 That's a very painful, lonely place to be. 774 01:04:14,308 --> 01:04:15,685 Good evening. 775 01:04:15,769 --> 01:04:19,898 Tonight my guest in the studio with me needs almost no introduction. 776 01:04:19,981 --> 01:04:21,483 She is Miss Nina Simone. 777 01:04:21,566 --> 01:04:24,903 Nina, when it comes to the artists today, we find that more of the artists 778 01:04:24,986 --> 01:04:29,449 are attempting to alert America to the need for change. 779 01:04:29,533 --> 01:04:31,075 Is this really the artist's role? 780 01:04:31,701 --> 01:04:36,790 Well, I think it's something that, um, I have chosen to do 781 01:04:36,873 --> 01:04:40,502 and I have felt compelled to do it. 782 01:04:40,585 --> 01:04:42,796 So it is my role... 783 01:04:42,879 --> 01:04:46,466 but sometimes, I wish it wasn't. 784 01:04:46,550 --> 01:04:48,468 I think that the artists 785 01:04:48,552 --> 01:04:52,096 who don't get involved in preaching messages 786 01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:54,433 probably are happier, 787 01:04:54,516 --> 01:04:59,604 but you see, I have to live with Nina, and that is very difficult. 788 01:05:43,231 --> 01:05:46,234 I think 19 people depend on me for their livelihood. 789 01:05:46,317 --> 01:05:47,652 That's a hell of a lot of people. 790 01:05:47,736 --> 01:05:50,905 I know that if I say, "Well, look, I'm too tired to work tonight," 791 01:05:50,989 --> 01:05:52,741 I'm gonna get it from both ends. 792 01:05:52,824 --> 01:05:56,786 Nobody's going to understand or care that I'm too tired. 793 01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:58,747 I'm very aware of that. 794 01:05:58,830 --> 01:06:01,541 Now, I would like some freedom, somewhere... 795 01:06:01,625 --> 01:06:03,167 where I didn't feel those pressures. 796 01:06:32,363 --> 01:06:35,659 By the late '60s, I realized that Nina was fighting 797 01:06:35,742 --> 01:06:39,120 demons that could appear at any moment and you wouldn't know it. 798 01:06:39,203 --> 01:06:42,248 She could get violent, she could get really physical, 799 01:06:42,331 --> 01:06:45,209 and the change in her would be dramatic... 800 01:06:45,293 --> 01:06:47,504 boom, like a switch. 801 01:06:47,587 --> 01:06:51,424 And I... I, after a while, realized that I was... 802 01:06:51,508 --> 01:06:55,386 I wasn't with my sister, I was with "that one..." 803 01:06:55,469 --> 01:06:59,140 and that one was... menacing. 804 01:07:14,739 --> 01:07:18,785 She was very concerned, in her sane moments, 805 01:07:18,868 --> 01:07:23,122 about these fits of depression and anger. 806 01:07:23,206 --> 01:07:25,959 We even went to Columbia-Presbyterian Hospital, 807 01:07:26,042 --> 01:07:28,795 I think, signed her in for four or five days. 808 01:07:28,878 --> 01:07:34,050 They conducted every test known to... medicine at the time 809 01:07:34,133 --> 01:07:37,637 and they were unable to find anything. 810 01:08:14,633 --> 01:08:18,928 And her downward spiral, it just got worse and worse. 811 01:08:19,929 --> 01:08:22,556 We did a tour with Bill Cosby, 812 01:08:22,641 --> 01:08:26,185 and the last night, she became erratic. 813 01:08:26,269 --> 01:08:28,938 She had a can of shoe polish. 814 01:08:29,022 --> 01:08:31,357 She was putting it in her hair. 815 01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:34,360 And she began talking gibberish, 816 01:08:34,443 --> 01:08:38,197 and she was totally out of it, incoherent. 817 01:08:38,281 --> 01:08:41,284 It appeared she was having a nervous breakdown. 818 01:08:41,367 --> 01:08:43,494 And when it came time to go on, 819 01:08:43,577 --> 01:08:49,500 I had to escort her by holding her arm onto the stage 820 01:08:49,583 --> 01:08:52,086 and sat her down at the piano, 821 01:08:52,170 --> 01:08:55,757 and I immediately stood in the wings on the opposite side 822 01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,134 where we could see one another. 823 01:08:58,217 --> 01:09:02,513 She's watching me pantomime and she performed. 824 01:09:03,932 --> 01:09:07,518 Basically, she had no control over her emotions, 825 01:09:07,601 --> 01:09:11,898 and underneath it all, sex dominated her. 826 01:09:11,981 --> 01:09:14,651 There were times, once or twice a week, 827 01:09:14,734 --> 01:09:20,824 when there was a sex attack when she goes into a maniacal rage. 828 01:09:20,907 --> 01:09:25,036 There had to be sex. I mean, this is driving her. 829 01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:29,457 My attitude towards sex was that we should have it all the time. 830 01:09:29,540 --> 01:09:31,417 How did Andy act towards you? 831 01:09:31,500 --> 01:09:35,546 I just wanted him to move me sexually, and he never was able to. 832 01:09:35,629 --> 01:09:36,630 Right. 833 01:09:36,715 --> 01:09:39,843 He didn't know how to touch me and he never had enough time. 834 01:09:39,926 --> 01:09:44,305 He'd come to see me late at night and be there two hours and leave. 835 01:09:45,306 --> 01:09:49,560 I knew that she was dating other people. 836 01:09:49,643 --> 01:09:54,983 We agreed that we could both have our own outside partners... 837 01:09:55,066 --> 01:10:00,363 but we would work together for the sake of the business and the child. 838 01:10:02,615 --> 01:10:08,705 I can't sit here and speak about Aunt Nina and Uncle Andy's marriage. 839 01:10:08,788 --> 01:10:10,498 What I can say is that 840 01:10:10,581 --> 01:10:15,169 participation and activism during the '60s... 841 01:10:16,170 --> 01:10:20,466 rendered chaos in any individual's lives. 842 01:10:21,425 --> 01:10:25,638 People sacrificed sanity, well-being, life. 843 01:10:26,555 --> 01:10:29,017 Nina Simone was a free spirit 844 01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:33,021 in an era that didn't really appreciate a woman's genius. 845 01:10:33,104 --> 01:10:37,483 So what does that do to a household and a family? 846 01:10:37,566 --> 01:10:38,943 Not because of income, 847 01:10:39,027 --> 01:10:43,072 but because of your soul not being able to do what you need to do. 848 01:10:55,001 --> 01:10:57,253 Direct from our newsroom in Washington, 849 01:10:57,336 --> 01:11:01,715 this is the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite. 850 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,427 Good evening. Dr. Martin Luther King, 851 01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:07,555 the apostle of non-violence in the civil rights movement, 852 01:11:07,638 --> 01:11:10,224 has been shot to death in Memphis, Tennessee. 853 01:11:10,308 --> 01:11:12,435 Jesus! 854 01:11:12,518 --> 01:11:13,978 Jesus. 855 01:11:14,062 --> 01:11:17,857 There was shock in the nation's negro communities. 856 01:11:17,941 --> 01:11:19,859 Men, women and children poured into the streets. 857 01:11:19,943 --> 01:11:22,987 They appeared dazed. Many were crying. 858 01:11:23,822 --> 01:11:27,450 I think White America made its biggest mistake 859 01:11:27,533 --> 01:11:30,536 when she killed Dr. King last night. 860 01:11:30,619 --> 01:11:34,082 He was the one man in our race 861 01:11:34,165 --> 01:11:36,042 who was trying to teach our people 862 01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:40,504 to have love, compassion, and mercy for what white people had done. 863 01:11:40,588 --> 01:11:44,092 When White America killed Dr. King last night, 864 01:11:44,175 --> 01:11:47,303 she killed all reasonable hope. 865 01:11:50,264 --> 01:11:53,517 We want to do a tune written... 866 01:11:54,853 --> 01:11:57,646 for today... 867 01:11:57,730 --> 01:12:02,318 for this hour for Dr. Martin Luther King. 868 01:12:02,401 --> 01:12:06,155 We had yesterday to learn it, and... 869 01:12:07,365 --> 01:12:08,574 so we'll see. 870 01:12:44,193 --> 01:12:49,991 Last year, Lorraine Hansberry left us, and she was a dear friend, 871 01:12:50,074 --> 01:12:52,201 and then Langston Hughes left us. 872 01:12:52,285 --> 01:12:53,327 Who can go on? 873 01:12:53,411 --> 01:12:56,705 Do you realize how many we have lost? 874 01:12:57,874 --> 01:13:01,210 Then it really gets down to reality, doesn't it? 875 01:13:02,753 --> 01:13:04,672 Not a performance. 876 01:13:06,257 --> 01:13:09,510 Not microphones and all that crap, 877 01:13:09,593 --> 01:13:12,013 but really something else. 878 01:13:13,306 --> 01:13:15,849 We can't afford any more losses. 879 01:13:15,934 --> 01:13:20,104 Oh, no. Oh, my God. 880 01:13:20,188 --> 01:13:23,357 They're shooting us down, one by one. 881 01:13:23,441 --> 01:13:25,734 Don't forget that... 882 01:13:25,818 --> 01:13:27,486 'cause they are... 883 01:13:29,197 --> 01:13:31,824 killing us one by one. 884 01:14:23,209 --> 01:14:26,004 I knew that we were lost. 885 01:14:26,087 --> 01:14:31,009 I felt chased all the time, no matter what I did or how sad I got. 886 01:14:31,092 --> 01:14:35,638 I felt that there was just no life for me in the country. 887 01:14:35,721 --> 01:14:39,100 I knew I had to quit or I had to leave Andy 888 01:14:39,183 --> 01:14:41,144 or do something. 889 01:14:41,227 --> 01:14:45,023 So I took my ring off, put it on the table... 890 01:14:45,106 --> 01:14:47,233 and I left the country. 891 01:15:17,221 --> 01:15:20,808 According to my godsister Attallah Shabazz... 892 01:15:20,891 --> 01:15:24,937 I was staying with them, and Mom had gone away, 893 01:15:25,021 --> 01:15:27,856 and the phone would ring and whenever it would ring, 894 01:15:27,940 --> 01:15:30,901 I would go running, saying, "Is that my mommy on the phone?" 895 01:15:31,735 --> 01:15:34,280 And then I remember going back to the house in Mount Vernon 896 01:15:34,363 --> 01:15:36,365 and Dad just wasn't there. 897 01:15:36,449 --> 01:15:37,950 He wasn't there. 898 01:15:38,034 --> 01:15:41,287 And nobody told me anything, you know? 899 01:15:41,370 --> 01:15:44,540 And, um, so... 900 01:15:46,459 --> 01:15:50,088 One day you're at home and the staff is there 901 01:15:50,171 --> 01:15:51,464 and your dad's there and the dog's there 902 01:15:51,547 --> 01:15:54,050 and everything that's familiar to you is there, 903 01:15:54,133 --> 01:15:56,469 and then you come back, I don't know, weeks later 904 01:15:56,552 --> 01:15:59,722 and... nothing's there, nobody's there. 905 01:16:18,157 --> 01:16:21,744 I decided that I wanted to go to Africa to live 906 01:16:21,827 --> 01:16:24,163 and never come back to America. 907 01:16:24,247 --> 01:16:28,626 I got a divorce from Andy and I went to Liberia... 908 01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:30,503 and I moved there to stay. 909 01:16:32,755 --> 01:16:38,177 When I got to Africa, I am happy, I'm beyond happy. 910 01:16:38,261 --> 01:16:42,723 Liberia is a place that was founded by the American slaves, 911 01:16:42,806 --> 01:16:46,769 and it only makes sense that I should feel at home there. 912 01:16:48,396 --> 01:16:50,314 I wore... Bikinis and boots is all I wore. 913 01:16:50,398 --> 01:16:51,399 Yeah. 914 01:16:51,482 --> 01:16:54,527 Well, there was no loneliness. There was no boredom. 915 01:16:54,610 --> 01:16:56,904 The days flew into nights, 916 01:16:56,987 --> 01:16:59,782 and you just couldn't keep up with the times 917 01:16:59,865 --> 01:17:02,993 'cause there was so much to do. It was always fun. 918 01:17:05,371 --> 01:17:07,748 I also am keenly aware 919 01:17:07,831 --> 01:17:13,337 that I've entered a world that I dreamed of all my life 920 01:17:13,421 --> 01:17:16,507 and that it is a perfect world. 921 01:17:16,590 --> 01:17:18,884 And I remember thinking of the United States 922 01:17:18,967 --> 01:17:23,181 as something that I had had in a dream 923 01:17:23,264 --> 01:17:25,516 sometime in my life, 924 01:17:25,599 --> 01:17:29,978 but is now gone, like it never existed! 925 01:17:30,062 --> 01:17:33,232 It was a dream that I had had 926 01:17:33,316 --> 01:17:34,983 and I had worked myself out of it 927 01:17:35,067 --> 01:17:39,112 'cause I had toiled so long in that place, in that prison... 928 01:17:40,113 --> 01:17:43,367 and now I'm home, now I'm free, 929 01:17:43,451 --> 01:17:45,494 and there is no going back. 930 01:17:45,578 --> 01:17:48,581 There, it was vast and open, 931 01:17:48,664 --> 01:17:51,041 and everything was natural. 932 01:17:51,124 --> 01:17:52,125 Everything! 933 01:17:52,210 --> 01:17:56,755 I have seen lightning in Africa not flash, but hover, 934 01:17:56,839 --> 01:18:02,010 and what it does is it electrifies you into complete speechlessness. 935 01:18:02,094 --> 01:18:06,349 I have seen it! I have seen God. 936 01:18:13,231 --> 01:18:17,067 In my seventh grade year, Mom moved me to Liberia, 937 01:18:17,150 --> 01:18:19,111 but she was always traveling, 938 01:18:19,195 --> 01:18:21,864 and I never knew half the time if I wasn't going, 939 01:18:21,947 --> 01:18:24,533 that she was leaving or when she was coming back. 940 01:18:24,617 --> 01:18:29,455 So I lived with a family for a year and I went to school there, 941 01:18:29,538 --> 01:18:30,581 and I lived with them 942 01:18:30,664 --> 01:18:34,543 until Mom came and decided to buy a house on the beach, 943 01:18:34,627 --> 01:18:37,796 and I went from living with them to living with her, 944 01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,048 and she just... 945 01:18:42,885 --> 01:18:45,221 I could never do anything right. 946 01:18:46,805 --> 01:18:51,894 She went from being my comfort to the monster in my life. 947 01:18:51,977 --> 01:18:54,980 Now she was the person that was doing the beating, 948 01:18:55,063 --> 01:18:57,691 and she was beating me. 949 01:18:58,359 --> 01:19:02,195 One time, we were in public somewhere, I did something, and she just... 950 01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,783 she went off on me in front of everybody, 951 01:19:05,866 --> 01:19:07,660 and I didn't show any emotion 952 01:19:07,743 --> 01:19:10,704 because when Mom... when Mom would see you cry, 953 01:19:10,788 --> 01:19:12,039 she knew she could push your buttons. 954 01:19:12,122 --> 01:19:13,374 That's what she wanted, 955 01:19:13,457 --> 01:19:15,751 and I would not give her that satisfaction. 956 01:19:15,834 --> 01:19:19,422 When she would hit me, I would look her dead in her face... 957 01:19:20,798 --> 01:19:25,261 and she'd be like, "You better cry. You better cry." 958 01:19:25,344 --> 01:19:26,970 I wouldn't do it. 959 01:19:28,514 --> 01:19:30,724 Times got really bad, 960 01:19:30,808 --> 01:19:34,812 to the point where I thought about committing suicide. 961 01:19:34,895 --> 01:19:37,648 So, when I was 14, I flew to New York, 962 01:19:37,731 --> 01:19:41,277 and I wound up living with my dad and I never went back. 963 01:19:44,655 --> 01:19:47,283 After we broke up, a lot of things happened. 964 01:19:47,366 --> 01:19:50,828 She didn't file taxes. She didn't take care of business. 965 01:19:50,911 --> 01:19:52,621 She lost the house in Mount Vernon. 966 01:19:52,705 --> 01:19:54,998 Everything went crazy. 967 01:19:55,958 --> 01:20:00,838 She lived a nomadic life, having no manager, having no husband... 968 01:20:00,921 --> 01:20:05,551 but she always said living in Africa was the happiest time in her life. 969 01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:09,888 She could just be there, enjoy herself. She didn't have to sing at all. 970 01:20:09,972 --> 01:20:13,517 She wasn't playing piano and she wasn't performing. 971 01:20:13,601 --> 01:20:17,020 She said she hated the piano. She hated it. 972 01:20:17,104 --> 01:20:20,358 Think about it. She's playing since she was four years old. 973 01:20:21,274 --> 01:20:22,360 On the other hand, 974 01:20:22,443 --> 01:20:26,364 she was very well aware that in Africa, no money came in. 975 01:20:26,447 --> 01:20:28,407 So she had to pick up her career again. 976 01:20:29,867 --> 01:20:33,078 She didn't want to return to what she called, 977 01:20:33,161 --> 01:20:35,331 "The United Snakes of America." 978 01:20:35,414 --> 01:20:40,210 So she moved to Switzerland, which was the complete opposite of Africa, 979 01:20:40,293 --> 01:20:43,422 and the first thing she did was the Montreux concert. 980 01:21:08,989 --> 01:21:10,366 You on yet? 981 01:21:12,242 --> 01:21:15,037 Do you hear all those noises? 982 01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,080 You didn't forget me, huh? 983 01:21:17,164 --> 01:21:20,876 That's... That's what's so wild, you didn't forget me. 984 01:21:23,336 --> 01:21:25,255 I didn't expect you to, 985 01:21:27,090 --> 01:21:29,301 but I'm tired. 986 01:21:31,344 --> 01:21:33,180 You don't know what I mean. 987 01:21:35,433 --> 01:21:38,351 And there are many people in show business who said, 988 01:21:38,436 --> 01:21:40,896 "Oh, she... You know, she used to be a star. 989 01:21:40,979 --> 01:21:43,106 She's gone all the way to the bottom," 990 01:21:43,190 --> 01:21:47,110 and all kinds of crap which means nothing to me at all. 991 01:21:48,195 --> 01:21:52,658 I hope that you will see me or see the spirit 992 01:21:52,741 --> 01:21:57,329 in another sphere, on another plane very soon now. 993 01:21:57,413 --> 01:22:00,541 And again, I don't wanna let you down and I get this feeling. 994 01:22:00,624 --> 01:22:04,920 So I think the only way to tell you who I am these days... 995 01:22:05,003 --> 01:22:09,550 is to sing a song by Janis Ian. 996 01:22:26,484 --> 01:22:28,819 Hey, girl, sit down! 997 01:22:28,902 --> 01:22:30,195 Sit down! 998 01:22:35,868 --> 01:22:37,160 Sit down! 999 01:25:38,842 --> 01:25:41,219 In Switzerland, there I had no money. 1000 01:25:41,303 --> 01:25:43,263 I never got anything from Andy. 1001 01:25:43,346 --> 01:25:46,684 He just cut himself off from me and I was left high and dry. 1002 01:25:46,767 --> 01:25:51,897 So I left Switzerland and I went to Paris, thinking that I could resume my career. 1003 01:25:51,980 --> 01:25:53,606 I did it alone 1004 01:25:53,691 --> 01:25:57,235 and I landed in the wrong place. 1005 01:25:57,319 --> 01:26:01,949 I was working every night in a small cafe for about $300 a night. 1006 01:26:11,583 --> 01:26:14,127 No, we just do "Vous Etes Seuls." 1007 01:26:14,211 --> 01:26:15,378 It goes like this! 1008 01:26:20,968 --> 01:26:24,346 I was desperate and no one believed that I was there. 1009 01:26:24,429 --> 01:26:28,016 I was too big to be there. No one came to see me. 1010 01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:30,811 And I had fallen from grace. 1011 01:26:31,854 --> 01:26:38,026 I'm sorry that I didn't become the world's first black classic pianist. 1012 01:26:38,110 --> 01:26:40,696 I think I would have been happier. 1013 01:26:40,779 --> 01:26:43,907 I'm not very happy now. 1014 01:26:43,991 --> 01:26:47,285 I wouldn't change being part of the civil rights movement. 1015 01:26:47,369 --> 01:26:48,787 I wouldn't change that. 1016 01:26:48,871 --> 01:26:51,832 But some of the songs that I sang have hurt my career. 1017 01:26:51,915 --> 01:26:57,337 All of the controversial songs the industry decided to punish me for... 1018 01:26:57,420 --> 01:27:00,298 and they put a boycott on all of my records, 1019 01:27:00,382 --> 01:27:02,760 and it's, uh... 1020 01:27:04,219 --> 01:27:07,055 hard for me to incorporate those songs anymore 1021 01:27:07,139 --> 01:27:08,849 because they are not relevant to the times. 1022 01:27:08,932 --> 01:27:12,811 In terms of the civil rights movement, how far have we come? 1023 01:27:12,895 --> 01:27:14,354 There aren't any civil rights! 1024 01:27:15,522 --> 01:27:16,689 What do you mean? 1025 01:27:16,774 --> 01:27:20,485 There is no reason to sing those songs. Nothing is happening. 1026 01:27:20,568 --> 01:27:23,488 There's no civil rights movement. Everybody's gone. 1027 01:27:24,990 --> 01:27:29,953 I met Nina in 1967 and I've been her friend all her life. 1028 01:27:30,037 --> 01:27:33,415 She called me in 1982 and she was here in Paris, 1029 01:27:33,498 --> 01:27:36,835 living in a very small apartment, hardly with any money. 1030 01:27:36,919 --> 01:27:41,256 She did concerts of four hours long at Trois Mailletz, that nightclub, 1031 01:27:41,339 --> 01:27:43,675 and she got a few hundred dollars a night. 1032 01:27:44,384 --> 01:27:46,386 And that was the worst period. 1033 01:27:46,469 --> 01:27:50,808 I visited her in that little apartment and it was so dirty, 1034 01:27:50,891 --> 01:27:55,103 so I cleaned it all up and, "Nina, you can't live like this," 1035 01:27:55,187 --> 01:27:57,272 but at that moment, she was still uncontrollable. 1036 01:27:58,190 --> 01:28:00,483 This thing in the Grand Hotel in Paris happened. 1037 01:28:00,567 --> 01:28:02,861 Somebody looked her in the eyes a bit too long, 1038 01:28:02,945 --> 01:28:09,117 and she was already a bit nervous and she kind of... made a movement 1039 01:28:09,201 --> 01:28:11,244 and I thought, "She's going to hit him." 1040 01:28:11,328 --> 01:28:12,788 Immediately, my arms around her, 1041 01:28:12,871 --> 01:28:17,167 and I dragged her out in a taxi and I said to the taxi driver, "Drive!" 1042 01:28:18,501 --> 01:28:23,465 When I saw her in Paris, she was like a street urchin dressed in rags. 1043 01:28:23,548 --> 01:28:28,303 I couldn't believe what was happening and I was really, really sad. 1044 01:28:28,971 --> 01:28:31,932 Gerrit and I, we knew something was very wrong, 1045 01:28:32,015 --> 01:28:34,351 and we were trying to figure out, 1046 01:28:34,434 --> 01:28:37,062 and like, "What is it? What is it, really?" 1047 01:28:38,856 --> 01:28:43,235 So Gerrit found her a condo in Nijmegen in Holland, 1048 01:28:43,318 --> 01:28:48,031 and Gerrit had a friend, a doctor, that he brought to Nina's place, 1049 01:28:48,115 --> 01:28:51,034 and the doctor examined her and asked her questions, 1050 01:28:51,118 --> 01:28:54,121 and he prescribed a medication 1051 01:28:54,204 --> 01:28:57,749 which was kind of new... new spectrum, called Trilafon. 1052 01:28:58,791 --> 01:29:02,712 It wasn't till I was in my 20s and I went to visit her in Nijmegen, 1053 01:29:02,795 --> 01:29:06,799 that's when I learned the term "manic-depressive" and "bipolar" 1054 01:29:06,884 --> 01:29:07,885 and I remember asking, 1055 01:29:07,968 --> 01:29:09,808 "Well, what is that? What do you mean by that?" 1056 01:29:09,845 --> 01:29:11,554 And her mood swings 1057 01:29:11,638 --> 01:29:14,224 and a lot of the things I dealt with earlier in life 1058 01:29:14,307 --> 01:29:15,907 when, you know, one minute she'd be happy 1059 01:29:15,934 --> 01:29:18,520 and then the next minute... 1060 01:29:18,603 --> 01:29:22,732 I'd be dealing with someone that wasn't in the room five minutes ago. 1061 01:29:22,815 --> 01:29:25,652 It started to make sense. 1062 01:29:25,735 --> 01:29:28,696 She got so deep in the shit in the end 1063 01:29:28,780 --> 01:29:32,784 that she realized it's either dying or give in. 1064 01:29:32,868 --> 01:29:35,620 And she gave in because we said, "Nina... 1065 01:29:35,703 --> 01:29:39,917 we'll get you a house, we'll get you your musicians, 1066 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,961 we'll make the things all right around you, 1067 01:29:43,045 --> 01:29:45,463 we'll book your concerts... 1068 01:29:45,547 --> 01:29:48,175 but you have to do as we say. 1069 01:29:49,176 --> 01:29:51,929 You have to take your medicine. You have to work. 1070 01:29:52,012 --> 01:29:55,807 God has given you the possibility to be able to do what you do, so do it! 1071 01:29:55,890 --> 01:29:59,144 The only thing we want to hear is either 'yes' or 'no.'" 1072 01:29:59,227 --> 01:30:02,855 And she said, with tears in her eyes, "Yes." 1073 01:30:03,856 --> 01:30:04,983 When I saw her, 1074 01:30:05,067 --> 01:30:08,903 I was very concerned because she had a... a nervous tic. 1075 01:30:08,987 --> 01:30:11,949 You know, she'd be talking or sitting and this... 1076 01:30:12,032 --> 01:30:13,951 Her mouth would always be twitching, 1077 01:30:14,034 --> 01:30:17,412 and when she would walk, it was more of a shuffle. 1078 01:30:17,495 --> 01:30:19,747 And I'm like, "What's going on here?" 1079 01:30:19,831 --> 01:30:22,042 You know, "Why... 1080 01:30:22,125 --> 01:30:24,336 What's going on? What am I missing?" 1081 01:30:24,419 --> 01:30:26,171 And they had her on medication. 1082 01:30:27,214 --> 01:30:30,425 She started taking the Trilafon and the doctor said, 1083 01:30:30,508 --> 01:30:34,429 "Through the years, it's going to have an effect on her motor skills. 1084 01:30:34,512 --> 01:30:39,977 Her voice is going to start to slur and her piano abilities will decline. 1085 01:30:40,060 --> 01:30:41,436 You can deal with that 1086 01:30:41,519 --> 01:30:47,234 or you can deal with her probably damaging herself or someone else." 1087 01:30:48,610 --> 01:30:51,071 But the Trilafon really helped. 1088 01:30:51,154 --> 01:30:52,947 I mean, there were times in Holland, 1089 01:30:53,031 --> 01:30:56,159 sitting on her terrace in these lounge chairs 1090 01:30:56,243 --> 01:30:57,619 and just holding hands... 1091 01:30:57,702 --> 01:31:00,788 I mean, she was like... She was my sister. 1092 01:31:00,872 --> 01:31:05,460 And not talking at all for hours, just enjoying the day. 1093 01:31:07,629 --> 01:31:10,965 And I suppose that medication enabled her to perform 1094 01:31:11,049 --> 01:31:14,344 and fulfill the business dealings that were taking place 1095 01:31:14,427 --> 01:31:16,971 so that her career could get back on track, 1096 01:31:17,055 --> 01:31:19,016 but there were times when I questioned that, 1097 01:31:19,099 --> 01:31:20,267 you know, "But what about her heart?" 1098 01:31:20,350 --> 01:31:24,437 Because at the end of the day, you guys got wives and husbands and lives, 1099 01:31:24,521 --> 01:31:26,189 but she's alone. 1100 01:31:28,191 --> 01:31:31,403 My personal life is a shambles. 1101 01:31:31,486 --> 01:31:36,574 I've had a few love affairs and I would love to be married, 1102 01:31:36,658 --> 01:31:41,079 but everything has had to be sacrificed for the music. 1103 01:31:53,050 --> 01:31:56,303 We had to do, first in Holland, eight concerts, 1104 01:31:56,386 --> 01:31:59,181 and the word spread that Nina's doing the job well. 1105 01:31:59,264 --> 01:32:02,767 Then she was on the road again and it was... poof. 1106 01:32:02,850 --> 01:32:04,102 The business was going. 1107 01:32:06,271 --> 01:32:07,314 She came onstage 1108 01:32:07,397 --> 01:32:11,068 and you had this overwhelming, emotional feeling 1109 01:32:11,151 --> 01:32:15,197 coming from the audience just because she was there. 1110 01:32:16,698 --> 01:32:19,701 Now listen to me. 1111 01:32:19,784 --> 01:32:21,203 I love you very much. 1112 01:32:21,286 --> 01:32:24,914 I think you know that and I know that you love me. 1113 01:32:24,997 --> 01:32:26,416 I know that. 1114 01:32:29,252 --> 01:32:30,337 And we never knew too well 1115 01:32:30,420 --> 01:32:32,880 what was going to happen and how the mood would be. 1116 01:32:33,548 --> 01:32:37,135 So this place is very hot and it's very crowded 1117 01:32:37,219 --> 01:32:38,928 and it's very ugly. 1118 01:32:42,557 --> 01:32:45,185 But she opened her heart and soul 1119 01:32:45,268 --> 01:32:46,603 at that moment. 1120 01:32:46,686 --> 01:32:49,814 That's this special kind of connection she had with an audience. 1121 01:32:50,648 --> 01:32:53,526 This song is popular all over France. 1122 01:32:54,277 --> 01:32:56,321 It's from our first album... 1123 01:32:56,404 --> 01:32:59,199 the very first album we made in this world, 1124 01:32:59,282 --> 01:33:02,034 which is at least 25 years old. 1125 01:33:02,119 --> 01:33:04,246 I only wish I was as wise... 1126 01:33:04,329 --> 01:33:07,915 could have been as wise then as I have become now. 1127 01:33:09,292 --> 01:33:10,627 I have suffered. 1128 01:33:11,711 --> 01:33:15,382 But there's a Bösendorfer here, so we'll see what happens. 1129 01:33:15,465 --> 01:33:17,217 "My Baby Just Cares For Me." 1130 01:33:24,141 --> 01:33:26,476 She was helped by "My Baby Just Cares For Me," 1131 01:33:26,559 --> 01:33:30,563 that song that became a hit because of the Chanel advertisement. 1132 01:33:30,647 --> 01:33:33,691 And when "My Baby Just Cares For Me" came along, I said, 1133 01:33:33,775 --> 01:33:37,237 "I have to take this opportunity now to go all over the world 1134 01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,489 because this is my last chance." 1135 01:33:39,572 --> 01:33:43,576 And so I worked very hard to take advantage of my second coming 1136 01:33:43,660 --> 01:33:46,538 because it was my last time as far as I was concerned. 1137 01:34:24,909 --> 01:34:28,455 And she was happiest doing music. I think that was her salvation. 1138 01:34:28,538 --> 01:34:30,957 That's the one thing that she didn't have to think about. 1139 01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,211 When she sat at the piano, her fingers could fly. 1140 01:34:39,882 --> 01:34:41,133 She was an anomaly. 1141 01:34:41,218 --> 01:34:43,470 She was a genius. She was brilliant, 1142 01:34:43,553 --> 01:34:48,850 and that brilliance shone through no matter what she was going through. 1143 01:34:48,933 --> 01:34:52,645 Even into her old age, she was brilliant. 1144 01:34:59,402 --> 01:35:02,239 She was genius. She could do whatever she liked. 1145 01:35:02,322 --> 01:35:04,657 And when she didn't have her medicine, 1146 01:35:04,741 --> 01:35:08,119 she, musically, could get even further out. 1147 01:35:16,378 --> 01:35:18,588 In one of those little concerts, and it's recorded, 1148 01:35:18,671 --> 01:35:22,259 she starts playing one song and she sings another. 1149 01:35:22,342 --> 01:35:25,011 And this recording, I made Miles Davis... 1150 01:35:25,094 --> 01:35:28,473 while we were on tour, we were on the same jazz tour as Miles Davis, 1151 01:35:28,556 --> 01:35:30,057 and I made him listen to it, 1152 01:35:30,141 --> 01:35:33,436 and he said, "Gerrit... let me listen to it again! 1153 01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,688 How is she doing this?" 1154 01:35:35,772 --> 01:35:37,189 He couldn't understand. 1155 01:35:43,905 --> 01:35:48,242 As I got older, I started to look at her and I thought to myself, 1156 01:35:48,326 --> 01:35:51,329 "Wow, she's from another time!" 1157 01:35:51,413 --> 01:35:55,917 But she was not at odds with the times. The times was at odds with her. 1158 01:35:56,584 --> 01:36:03,425 I think when a person moves to their own kind of clock, spirit, flow, 1159 01:36:04,384 --> 01:36:08,721 if we were living in an environment that allowed us to be exactly who we are, 1160 01:36:08,805 --> 01:36:10,890 you're always in congress with yourself. 1161 01:36:10,973 --> 01:36:12,600 The challenge is, 1162 01:36:12,684 --> 01:36:15,853 "How do we fit in in the world that we're around, but we... 1163 01:36:15,937 --> 01:36:18,815 Are we allowed to be exactly who we are? 1164 01:36:18,898 --> 01:36:23,653 Was Nina Simone allowed to be exactly who she was?" 1165 01:36:24,862 --> 01:36:27,865 As fragile as she was strong, 1166 01:36:27,949 --> 01:36:31,619 as vulnerable as she was dynamic, 1167 01:36:31,703 --> 01:36:34,456 she was African royalty. 1168 01:36:34,539 --> 01:36:38,292 How does royalty stomp around in the mud 1169 01:36:38,376 --> 01:36:40,503 and still walk with grace? 1170 01:36:41,295 --> 01:36:45,925 Most people are afraid to be as honest as she lived. 1171 01:37:00,314 --> 01:37:01,941 Good night! 96766

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