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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,280 So, suddenly I discovered the Wall. 4 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,120 And I grew up behind the Wall. 5 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,680 All my life till I left Czechoslovakia at thirty-two, 6 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,440 I wanted to go on the other side of the Wall, 7 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,880 for me it was the prison; I was in the cage. 8 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,240 So, of course I didn't like the Wall, 9 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:10,040 but in the same time it is pretty spectacular, this Wall. 10 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,840 What a shit. 11 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,800 How people can do something like that to beautiful landscape? 12 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,520 These, on the both sides, they can defend, 13 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,960 or try to defend themselves, they don't have much chances either, 14 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,800 but the landscape can't defend themselves. 15 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:20,200 And they're destroying the most holy landscape for civilization forever. 16 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:26,240 Nobody can put it back how it was before. Nobody can put it back. 17 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,240 —Hello. —Hello. -How are you? 18 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,080 —Good morning. How are you? -Good morning. 19 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,440 —Do you live here? -Yeah. 20 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,200 Three people and in one day they can build a hundred meters probably. 21 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,840 I guess they are Palestinians. 22 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,200 There is not even army here. 23 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,240 But it's incredible, no? In these three days just... 24 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,560 What do you have there? 25 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,280 Hello my friend, I know you well, I met you many times here. 26 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,480 Always standing here on this spot. Good boy, yes. 27 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:55,280 —Italian? -And this guy too, look at this guy. 28 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,120 —OK, goodbye boys. -Italian? -Yes, of course. 29 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,800 Be well. 30 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,320 Photographer, move away from the fence. 31 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:42,000 Photographer, move away from the fence! 32 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,680 Go back, photographer. Move back! 33 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:06,560 Josef, he is talking to you. 34 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,960 —It was quite good now there. -Yeah? 35 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,880 —Yeah. Because... -But did you get it? 36 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,720 Yeah, I mean you have this cage empty. 37 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,520 This I should have done better. 38 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,960 —They took it away. -They are not anymore there. 39 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:51,120 Because these elements it was nice, then I try to crop it like that. 40 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,760 This is, this is... 41 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,600 —It was this... -Amazing how it changes. 42 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,720 Still it's good. 43 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,960 For the blocks I think it is actually one of the best. 44 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,920 —I think they are blocking it now. -Yeah. 45 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,000 This is probably the best from this situation. 46 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,320 —Then I have one more. -Let me see. 47 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,720 But here, this is not strong. This is nice, but this is... 48 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,840 This is really good. 49 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,800 You know, but this is the thing, just, you come back... 50 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,480 and it gives you... it gives you more sure, 51 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,640 you are more sure if something is alright, 52 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,800 because you can't do it better, 53 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,120 or because it doesn't exist or something like that. 54 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,960 Look! This is also inside. 55 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,200 He's not passing. I already explained to him. 56 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,080 I'm the commander here, you are not passing. Today, closed. 57 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,520 I don't understand. Bullshit... 58 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,840 Photographer, you can't stand within a radius of 150 meters. 59 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,000 I don't speak Hebrew, I can't understand you. 60 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,280 Russian? -No. 61 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,760 English, French, Italian, Spanish? 62 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,720 Here is good. 63 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:33,680 He asked me if I speak Russian. 64 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,840 —Maybe Josef, put the camera for a minute... -Yeah, down. 65 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,760 —Just as we go in. -OK. 66 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,560 Have you got your passport on you? 67 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,200 Yeah. 68 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,520 Hello, how's it going? 69 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,240 Roger, they're coming to fix the cameras. 70 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,920 Check them well and approve entrance. 71 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:47,400 They didn't show me a press card of the Israeli Press Office. 72 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,320 —OK, I understand. -Wait, explain me what the problem is. 73 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,720 Do you have a press card? 74 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,800 A permit. Any shooting in this area here requires a permit. 75 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,200 This is more or less the twentieth time we are here and photographing. 76 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,200 —And we never had a problem. -Doesn't mean that you don't need... 77 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,960 He is one of the most renowned photographers worldwide. 78 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,920 —He is photographing many sites. -He? 79 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:15,760 —And what is the purpose of it? -Eventually it might be a book, 80 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,920 but he is a photographer of an agency called Magnum. 81 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:21,840 Magnum? Ah, I know it. Magnum photographer? 82 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,360 —It is based in France and New York. -Yes, I know it, Magnum. 83 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,480 And he is photographing around the country... 84 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,920 Look, in principle the problem... 85 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:35,160 The problem with taking photos is the people. 86 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:38,680 There are many people who don't want to be photographed. 87 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,080 —That's why you need a permit. -He doesn't photograph any people. 88 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,040 Fine. 89 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,600 —He photographs only landscapes... -I understand. 90 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,880 —And I am filming him all the time. -I understand, fine. 91 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,840 —Do you have a press card? -I don't have a press card. 92 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,320 I am a recent photography graduate and I am acting as his assistant. 93 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,840 What do you want to photograph here? 94 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,840 He is simply photographing this area over here. 95 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,440 Fine, as long as it doesn't concern the southern area, then no problem. 96 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,160 OK, no problem; there is no problem for me too. 97 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:14,560 —Thank you very much indeed. -Please, welcome. 98 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,200 —So you are part of Magnum agency? -Yeah. -Ah, that's nice. 99 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,520 OK, so pleased to meet you, my name is Josef. 100 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,120 —Josef, what? —Koudelka. -Koudelka?-I'm Czech photographer. 101 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,880 —Yoav. Nice to meet you. -Pleased to meet you. So, thank you. 102 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,880 —What do you see here? -Lots of walls. 103 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,600 Lots of walls, number one. What else? 104 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,800 A fence above the walls. What else? 105 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,160 —Lights and cameras. -Lights and cameras. 106 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:41,160 So, this is where Jews came to pray for thousands of years. 107 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:44,080 Comes the violence of the last ten years, since 2000. 108 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,720 And Rachel's Tomb is in the middle of Bethlehem. 109 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,760 People cannot get here anymore. And people still want to pray. 110 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,720 So when things start to develop of how are we going to change the system, 111 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,840 how do we live with Palestinians 112 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,960 and the violence that is happening from their side 113 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,080 and Israelis and the violence that is being thrown upon them? 114 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,640 How do we work that? Part of the security fence is set up. 115 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,000 And in certain places it's a fence and in certain places it's a wall. 116 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,520 And here at Kever Rachel it's not just a wall, 117 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,200 notice the sleeve that we drove through, it's a wall on either side, 118 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,560 only to protect those of us who are coming to Rachel's Tomb. 119 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,840 And if you look at the picture, that is what Rachel's Tomb used to look like. 120 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,360 A little romantic 'cause there were other buildings around it. 121 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:29,560 But bottom—line, until 7, 8 years ago that is what you saw as you came here. 122 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,280 Today, if you look behind you, you can see it is a bullet-proof building 123 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,600 'cause people were attacked when they came to pray here. 124 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,200 And so when you go inside the building, you will see that dome and building 125 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,160 built inside this building that was now built around it, 126 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:47,440 so, a few things... 127 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,920 —Each way you look it's a different landscape. -Yeah, absolutely. 128 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,560 —This is more like a village... -This is more... -I see. 129 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,240 Yeah, so maybe tell me something. So, these are different parts... 130 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,600 —These are different parts in any Arabic city. -I see. 131 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,800 In the south, in the north, wherever. That's the idea of this facility. 132 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,240 It can simulate not only Gaza or Lebanon or whatever, 133 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,640 it can simulate each part of all cities 134 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,080 and it's all built out of models of real cities. 135 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,640 —Oh really? -Yeah. 136 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,680 This I didn't know the last time, because I thought they just built it... 137 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,920 No, no, no. This is built by... 138 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:59,240 They build it by satellite photos and like experience that they have. 139 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,120 Like, for example, if you look towards the Casba there, you see... 140 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,440 On big trainings that they have here for platoons and... 141 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,200 Sorry, I didn't understand, what did you say? 142 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,480 —I'm saying, on big... -Training. 143 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,560 ...trainings that they have here they would put, 144 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,520 besides the regular "red" team, that is the opposite force, 145 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,240 they would add like a civilian... population that are here, 146 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,560 they would put like a market and they are selling vegetables or whatever. 147 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,040 —So it'll be like an actual theatre? -Yeah. 148 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,920 You could film a Hollywood movie here. If you want to. 149 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,680 You know it's... What is fascinating is this square... 150 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,320 You see how important the shadows here are. 151 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,720 And then, you have all this empty square. 152 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,720 And then I'm trying to figure out... But as regards the composition, 153 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,120 the towers of the minarets are very complicated, 154 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,840 suddenly they take all the importance there. 155 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,120 But anyway, I think I should forget about this 156 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,720 and try to discover something else. 157 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,520 As they say, you never get in the same river. 158 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,560 If we come here a little later, that there is not going to... 159 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,800 Yeah, this is good maybe, this is the best maybe. 160 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,760 Forget about this minaret... 161 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,360 Here it is better somehow. 162 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,480 It's OK. 163 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,840 Like, these figures in the back they are so complicated 164 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,960 that they just become too heavy, nothing on the right. 165 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,240 This is the only way. Probably. 166 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,920 —Exactly where you stood before. -Yeah. 167 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,960 And then, if you really want to get rid of the background, to crop it, 168 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,560 but you have to shoot it from... 169 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,120 from this distance because this is the correct. 170 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,960 I wouldn't like to be here when these guys were attacking. 171 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,920 In fact, I wouldn't like to be in any war. 172 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,760 And I feel lucky that I haven't been in any war, 173 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,800 and I hope I won't be in any. 174 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,560 I was extremely lucky that I grew up in Czechoslovakia, 175 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,880 in the country which was not very rich, 176 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,520 the country where there was not much freedom, 177 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,080 and a country in which I couldn't travel. 178 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:55,280 So, suddenly I found myself out of that country. 179 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,840 I lost my friends, I lost my family, 180 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,600 I lost certain background, 181 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,960 the folk music, the playing, singing... 182 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,480 All these things which you lose if you leave your country. 183 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,160 And I decided not to cry, 184 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,200 and on the contrary I decided to use it for my advantage. 185 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,200 To build a new life and to see the world 186 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,800 which I couldn't do in Czechoslovakia. 187 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,240 It is not by chance that the Gypsies who travel 188 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,880 are very different than the Gypsies who settled. 189 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,960 If you travel, the surrounding has much bigger problem with you 190 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,800 to get you where they would like to see you. 191 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,200 You are this guy, 192 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,400 you are different, but in the same time you know 193 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,200 that it is very important try to stay different. 194 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,360 Not to conform yourself, 195 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,520 to keep the healthy anger, 196 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,600 to keep it as long as possible. 197 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,000 I try to see a little that the settlement is there. 198 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,000 This was a stone building underneath, very old. 199 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,240 It's from Jordanian times under it, and they demolished it too. 200 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,760 This used to be where the rooms were. 201 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,440 Thank you. 202 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,120 I go down there. 203 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,560 Hello. Salaam to you too. 204 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,840 God bless you. 205 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,880 Fifty-six... 206 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,600 No, Abu Ali is speaking. 207 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,840 Well, I have friends in "Shab al Dar". 208 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,920 From Israel and Czechoslovakia. 209 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,400 I don't speak Hebrew and I'm trying to finish with them already. 210 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,280 Hopefully they want to leave soon. 211 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,520 Yes. 212 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,880 Want to have a look? 213 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,440 —Come. -No, no. 214 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,400 Have a look. 215 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,560 OK. 216 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,080 Yes. 217 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,640 Look, look. 218 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,240 Go, go look. 219 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,040 From here, come. 220 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,000 Where's he from? 221 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,440 Are you from the settlement Ma'ale Adumim? 222 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,200 —From Ma'ale Adumim? -No. 223 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,720 Jerusalem. 224 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,000 —The nectarine is amazing, huh? -What else you need? 225 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,920 You know, I thought about this absurdity, 226 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,880 just: "God tell me that this is my land, 227 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,040 and so I have to get it in spite of the pharaohs, 228 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:48,160 in spite of Obama. Anybody." 229 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,240 Certainly, 230 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,640 his God tell him quite a few other things too, 231 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,240 like that he shouldn't steal. 232 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,720 -All religions are saying it. -True. 233 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,800 It happened that I don't believe in the God. 234 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,600 —I believe... -That you shouldn't steal. 235 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:15,040 ...in certain things which apply to probably in all religions. 236 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,400 So... 237 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,000 Well, they fixed it. 238 00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:57,840 And this line was good. 239 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,400 Next time you bring spray. 240 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,080 Quite different, yeah. The mountains was not... 241 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,600 You couldn't see the mountains, it was not so present. 242 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,720 There is much more this horizon. 243 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,240 Interesting. 244 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,200 It's completely different. 245 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,600 And what is nice that you see this line, 246 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,760 which is really important here because, 247 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,240 if you take it out, it would be big white space. 248 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,840 Of course, if I compose it now I have to add space more, that it balance. 249 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,440 And today you see the mountains here, 250 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,680 and what is nice are these two lines, 251 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:10,000 these, the horizon of the sea, even if you don't know 252 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,480 that it was really, that the sea used to come just here, 253 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,920 that it was the restaurant at the border of the sea. 254 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,200 Everything is different. 255 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,240 But, to come on the place and to feel: 256 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,120 In this place there is a picture waiting for me. 257 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,480 And to go there as many times when you get it. 258 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,480 —Sometimes you return to the first photo, no? Pardon? 259 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,360 Sometimes you come five times and you go to the first... 260 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,560 Listen, sometimes... I have the picture for example from Rome, 261 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:52,960 which we were... I was sitting behind somebody on the motorbike, 262 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,320 and I saw it. I said: "Listen, stop for two minutes." 263 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:01,320 I run, I take the picture. Ten times I was going back. 264 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,120 Never again. Never. 265 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,120 Already what I did. 266 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,680 But I can't do it better. 267 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,080 Every time when I come here it so beautiful, 268 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,760 But of course every time it's just... 269 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:37,040 I'm not in this spiritual thing but this place is so spiritual. 270 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,800 If you are believer, if you are not believer, 271 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,000 it doesn't matter, something get on you. 272 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:54,560 And if Jesus exist, I am not surprised that he returned to this desert. 273 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,120 Luckily they can't do anything in this landscape. 274 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,880 No point to take pictures. 275 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,120 Just to enjoy it, it's enough. 276 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:52,760 They are designed like cages. These are to prevent 277 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,360 rocks and stones from being thrown into the houses by settlers. 278 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,560 The army doesn't have a mandate to act against the settlers, 279 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,680 or rather it does and it doesn't use it. 280 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,440 So, the settlers would do things and the army would not intervene. 281 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,360 The police is supposed to intervene, but the police is not here. 282 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,720 The settlers would come and throw stones at them, 283 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,040 they would like push them on the stairs 284 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:15,920 but the girls can't get off the path and push back. 285 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,960 Sometimes their mothers were with them, they'd also be pushed 286 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,120 and sometimes international... 287 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,280 —Hi, who are you? -Listeners. 288 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,720 Just because we are in a sensitive area. I just have to find out... 289 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,520 —No problem. -OK. Never mind. 290 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,000 —I would ask... -I believe in all that I say. 291 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,600 Who are these people? I thought they couldn't walk around. 292 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,920 They walk from there, they can't walk further down. 293 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,960 They just came out of there, and this street they can walk. 294 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,000 —This is an "OK" street? -Up to this door. 295 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,200 —Can we walk down there? -Yes, because we are not Palestinians. 296 00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,680 Very good. My name is Josef. 297 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:04,160 I don't have email, and I don't have the phone either. 298 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,400 —Anyway, big cloud, yeah. -Yes, it rained in the morning. 299 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,040 —Yeah? -And last night. 300 00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:15,320 But it was like showers, not really heavy rain. 301 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:21,160 I saw that they changed the wall here, they make it much higher. 302 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,960 For our "protection". 303 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,040 Yeah I know it... 304 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:37,000 You know, in Czechoslovakia they call it "Iron Curtain", 305 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,280 and it was to prevent that the Germans come. 306 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:47,160 But it was to prevent that the Czechs go have a look what it looked like. 307 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,760 Anyway... 308 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,160 Here the walls are to prevent us from going to the other side, 309 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,400 or to prevent the settlers from coming into our side. 310 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,680 Exactly. That's we have written, 311 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,160 we saw written: "One wall, two jail", 312 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,720 —which is correct, no? -Yes. 313 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,480 I don't like to see the city divided as it is. It's not good. 314 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,680 Listen, I'm not sure how much chance we are going to have. 315 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,160 So you have still the soldiers here. 316 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,440 Waiting for some sun. 317 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,080 Sun comes and goes. 318 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,720 Also we are close to sunset. 319 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,960 It's going to be over... 320 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:14,120 Yeah, it looks good. One never knows what's going to happen when you... 321 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,160 when you develop it, but it looks good. 322 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,640 I never photographed the same in any country 323 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,880 and I never photograph any violence because principally in any country 324 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,640 I didn't feel the same that Czechoslovakia was my country, 325 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:18,080 I felt it was my problem and I was a photographer, and... 326 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:24,360 In fact, I never did anything like that in forty years after... 327 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:29,320 So, definitely it was exceptional situation: 328 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:35,560 one day you wake up and you are confronted 329 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,360 with something which is much bigger than you are. 330 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,520 So, suddenly you react different way, 331 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:50,480 the way which you never knew you might ever be reacting. 332 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,920 Of course, I was not happy that the Russians arrived. 333 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,800 But still there were the positive things there, 334 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,720 that Czechs behaved as a nation, that everybody was against, 335 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,080 and I admire how people behaved. 336 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,720 For me one of the most important things was 337 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:24,360 how people changed in Prague '68, it was a miracle. 338 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:29,600 And I would never believe that people can change the way; 339 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,560 that overnight, suddenly, when you have only one thing 340 00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,200 which put people together that it make them change completely. 341 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,000 That it doesn't matter if you are communist, if you are not communist, 342 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,080 if you are young, if you are old, 343 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,560 if you are a worker, if you are intellectual, 344 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,960 you have the same aim; you don't want them to be here. 345 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,480 That's what makes Palestinians strong too. 346 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:07,280 I must say I didn't feel hate 347 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:12,120 this early morning, when I saw these Russian soldiers on the tanks. 348 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,920 I didn't feel the hate to them. 349 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:20,880 I felt that what happened to them could happen to me, 350 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,480 I was soldier too, 351 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,560 one night they could wake me up, 352 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,280 put on the tank and I could be somewhere 353 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,600 in the Warsaw or in Bucharest in their situation. 354 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,080 So, then you are a soldier, 355 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,920 and in most of the cases soldier do what he was told to do. 356 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,200 Tragic thing. 357 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,040 Let's go, no? 358 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,600 Yeah. 359 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,320 Is there still some fog coming? 360 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,440 A lot. 361 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,320 —It keeps on coming. -Yeah. 362 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,800 Sometimes it happens, sometimes not. 363 01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,320 It's too flat. 364 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,120 Do you want to wait? 365 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,600 Maybe we can go to have a look on the olives 366 01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,480 and get back in... 367 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,280 Can you see any blue? No. 368 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,880 —Only grey. -Yeah. 369 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,240 OK, let's try something else. 370 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,000 This wire is quite important there. 371 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,880 Now you can see the whole road behind. 372 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,840 Yeah, as you say, anybody can come, but it won't be the same. 373 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,120 Yeah, even me if I wouldn't see the picture, I wouldn't see... 374 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,200 I would see something completely different. 375 01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,960 I didn't want to go to Israel, essentially, 376 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,280 because I thought: first of all, 377 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,600 I'm European, I am concentrating on the Europe, 378 01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:03,080 I feel European and still there is a lot of things to do here. 379 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,200 But also, I knew that it is complicated, 380 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:13,200 I didn't want to get mixed up with it. That my mind will get mixed up. 381 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:18,000 Because suddenly you start to be involved in something 382 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,360 even if you don't want to be. 383 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:26,920 And I try to separate as much as possible because I know, 384 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:32,000 if I worry or if I don't worry it doesn't change anything. 385 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,400 But, what I realized that I can do, 386 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:42,840 I can go around and show some people 387 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,360 what they maybe haven't seen. 388 01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,800 Hello, how are you? Where are you from? 389 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,600 —Pictures, taking pictures. -Pictures? Ya. 30649

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