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To be fair, it can't be much fun
being a racist.
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You do all this stuff with them students,
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milking it about how much you've changed,
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how much of a better man
you are now, yet you thought
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exactly the same way as I did
when you were my age, didn't you?
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I'll tuck you in.
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What are you doing in bed with Dad?
I was tired, Matthew.
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I'm going to commit a murder
to begin a race war.
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Another MP, Rosie Cooper.
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I know who the informant is.
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It's this slug called Robbie Mullen.
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A lot of people
won't forget what he's done.
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The police are here.
It's about the boys.
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Someone's made a threat against them.
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Listen, listen, look.
I'm... I'm leaving here now.
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Where were these images posted?
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We found them on a thread
in a mobile seized yesterday.
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We believe the original posts are
linked to National Action.
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I'm sorry. He's gonna have to go.
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That's it now.
We can't keep doing this.
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Robbie, this trial isn't
far off now, lad,
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and you're going to have
to demonstrate to the jury
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that you're not the same as Renshaw
and the others,
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that they can trust you,
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cos you're different from them.
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Is this some sort of test?
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Sticking me in the middle of Nigeria,
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see how he handles it, yeah?
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You're scared, aren't you?
No!
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Cos you want me to stand up in court
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and tell everybody
that I'm a changed man and I'm not!
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Jack Renshaw, stand up.
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You've been found guilty of four counts
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of inciting a child to engage
in sexual activities.
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You've displayed not one shred of remorse
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and the defence you put forward,
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that your phone had been hacked,
was as lacking
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in evidence as it was credibility.
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These are very serious offences
against minors,
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and in one case, a boy as young as 13,
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and society needs protection
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against predatory paedophiles like you.
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I impose upon you a prison sentence
of 16 months.
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Take him down.
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Jack! We love you, son!
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16 months. It could have been worse.
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God, it's going to be in the newspapers.
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The whole fucking world's gonna read it.
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The judge ordered reporting restrictions
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because of the upcoming trial
for the plan to kill the MP.
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No detail from this case can be published
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until after that's taken place.
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What? So, they can't print it yet?
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We've got a bit of time.
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But the story will come out, Jack.
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I've got to warn you,
it's a shithole in here.
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I live with four lads.
Yous all stink.
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All right, lad?
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{\an5}Yeah, I'm very well, thank you.
How are you?
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{\an5}Lovely. Yeah, what a beautiful day!
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Are you not going to eat that?
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I'm not hungry.
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Save it for later.
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How are you feeling?
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Been doing anything exciting?
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{\an5}Watching the telly?
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{\an5}Any boxsets you'd like to recommend?
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I haven't been watching much telly.
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I've just... just been
on the computer.
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What did you say?
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I've not been watching telly.
I've been on the computer.
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{\an5}You're being careful about what
websites you've been going on?
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Robbie?
You're telling me what to do again.
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Yeah, I am telling you what to do, yeah.
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{\an5}Because if you've been getting in touch
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{\an5}with any of your old pals
from National Action
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{\an5}or if you've been looking
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at some kind of Combat 18 website
or the BNP
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or whatever right-wing shite
you used to look at,
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{\an5}then this trial will collapse
and you'll end up in prison.
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{\an5}Where we're from, most people end up
in prison anyway, don't they?
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Oh, what kind of comment's that, eh?
All right, come on.
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Wish I was going to prison
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instead of standing in court
grassing on people.
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Will you shut up about being a grass?
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{\an5}Who are you trying to protect anyway?
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{\an5}Jack Renshaw?
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{\an5}Because he's just been convicted
for grooming young boys.
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We've only got your word for that though.
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You could be trying to trick us.
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Why would I wanna trick you?
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I don't know. Why wouldn't you?
Are you stupid or something?
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Stupid? Why am I stupid?
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You're an ungrateful little twat.
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Hey, that's enough!
Yeah.
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Yeah, all of this.
All of this?!
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Look at all this you've got here...
Look, will you pack it in?
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Please, the two of you,
you're worse than the boys!
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You, get in the shower.
Wash your hair!
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And you, you can get the hoover out.
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I'm sorry
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if I sounded ungrateful before, but...
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..I just don't like it.
It's full of Blacks and Asians.
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Rob, come on.
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I know I'm not supposed to say
things like that,
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but I can't help it.
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It's the way that I feel.
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Well, I know it looks bad but...
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No, what looks bad, lad,
is if you get caught out lying.
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At least if you tell the truth,
then no-one can trip you up.
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Are you expecting anyone?
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You're joking, aren't you?
Nobody else knows I live here.
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All right?
Yeah.
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Someone to see you, lad.
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Mill!
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Hello, baby!
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Hello! What you doing?
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B-b-b-b-b... Hello!
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Well, at least he's glad to see
someone. How is he anyway?
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Unhelpful, angry.
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Suspicious.
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Well, his usual jolly self then.
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This could be end of us, you know that?
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I mean, if this all goes wrong,
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then our reputation is shot to pieces.
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So, it all hangs
on a big, sulky racist from Widnes?
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It's not funny!
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She's got a point.
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You need to try and get out,
you know, meet people.
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What, round here?
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Yes, round here.
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It's not doing you any good sitting
in that flat all day by yourself.
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I've ruined my life, I know I have.
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You have not.
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What if they don't believe me,
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the jury?
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It's my word against theirs, isn't it?
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Yeah, but you're telling the truth.
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I don't wanna do it any more.
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That's the truth.
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I just wanna go back
to the way things were before.
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Oi, what you playing at?
Get to the back of the queue, bruv!
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I'm not eating. I'm not eating.
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You all right, Chris?
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How... How's it going?
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I've been hearing whispers about you.
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Look, they hacked my phone.
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They put all this stuff on it
to destroy my reputation.
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It's all fucking lies!
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I mean, they're making me out
like I'm some sort of paedo.
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Matthew Collins is behind it all.
He's trying to destroy me.
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This could make us all look bad.
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That won't happen.
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I promise you that won't happen.
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He's got a big day
in front of him tomorrow.
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Try and make him look respectable,
Shimmy.
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I'll do my best.
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Who's at the bar mitzvah?
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That's my grandson, Reuben.
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I'll be honest with you, Matthew,
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he's got it tough.
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Him and his sisters,
they go to the Jewish school.
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Whole place surrounded by barbed wire.
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Hold still.
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Three security guards on the door.
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It's the same
with all the Jewish schools.
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That it should come to that, eh,
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in this day and age.
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Children having to cross barbed wire
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to go to school.
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He looks dapper, don't he?
Yeah.
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You look really handsome, dead smart.
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How do you feel?
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Like a twat.
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Oh, no, like a used car salesman
or something.
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I wouldn't buy life insurance
off you. Stop it!
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Don't listen.
Robbie, you look great.
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You look like someone
who's doing the right thing.
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There he is!
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Hey.
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You all right?
So, listen, Matthew can't be here,
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not until you've both given evidence,
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but he wanted me to tell you,
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you look better without the bum fluff.
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Come on, you'll be fine.
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In here.
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Sorry, mate, can I help you?
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Are you connected to the case?
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I'm connected with the defence.
Oh, right.
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You know him?
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No.
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He's just trying to freak you out.
Come on, let's get you some tea.
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Court will rise.
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Members of the jury,
it will be alleged by the Crown
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that the defendants hold extreme views.
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All of you, I suspect, hold views
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which could be described
as the very opposite of these.
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You're not racist, you're not homophobic,
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you're not anti-Semitic.
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But it is not a criminal offence
in this country
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just to hold these views,
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however repulsive you feel they might be.
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We live in a free society
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and the law tolerates
the holding of these opinions.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I appear
on behalf of the prosecution.
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Mr Atkinson, I'm going to ask you
to pause for a moment there,
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as we need to hear from Mr Jackson.
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What have you done?
My lord.
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I don't care any more.
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It's too late for me.
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Thank you, my lord.
I represent Mr Renshaw,
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and I would seek, with your leave,
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that you have him re-arraigned
on counts one and two.
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If this is how you wish to proceed.
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It is how I'm instructed, Your Lordship.
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Jack Renshaw, will you stand up, please?
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You are charged on count one
of this indictment
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of engaging in conduct
in preparation of a terrorist act,
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namely the murdering of Rosie Cooper MP.
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Are you guilty or not guilty?
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Guilty.
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On count two, you are charged
with making a threat to kill.
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The particulars are
that, on July 1st, 2017,
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you made a threat to Robbie Mullen
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that you would kill
DC Victoria Henderson,
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intending that Robbie Mullen would fear
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that said threat would be carried out.
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Are you guilty or not guilty?
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Guilty.
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Renshaw's pleaded guilty
to the plots to kill.
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What? Guilty?
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Well, but does that mean
I don't have to give any evidence?
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It's all over or...?
Not quite, I'm afraid.
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They're all still on trial for membership
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and Lythgoe's facing one count
of encouragement to murder.
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I reckon he's fallen on his sword
to try and bury all the paedo stuff.
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Stupid.
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He at least had a decent shot
at a defence,
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but now he's going
to end up with life imprisonment?
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He wants the headline to be
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"Fascist martyr prepared to kill
for the cause".
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And not "Fascist paedo trying
to have sex with young boys".
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What about Lythgoe and Hankinson?
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He's trying to take the heat off them.
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Mr Atkinson, if you could pick up
from where you left off, please.
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My lord.
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These defendants stand before you,
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accused of their continuing
participation in National Action,
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a banned organisation
that sought actively through fear,
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intimidation and violence
to shape society
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in accordance with their beliefs.
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Mr Renshaw had purchased a machete
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with which to carry out his plan.
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The online marketing
for that particular item
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describes it as offering
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"19 inches of unprecedented piercing
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"and slashing power at a market price".
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There is now no doubt,
after his guilty pleas,
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that Mr Renshaw planned the murders
of Rosie Cooper MP
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and Detective Constable
Victoria Henderson.
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The Crown's case is
that he was given permission
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to carry out the murder of Rosie Cooper
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by the then leader
of National Action, Chris Lythgoe,
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in the name of that organisation.
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My lord, I call Robbie Mullen.
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Mr Mullen, it's time.
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Place your right hand on the Bible
and read from the card.
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I... I swear by almighty God
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that the evidence I shall give
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shall be the truth, the whole truth
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and nothing but the truth.
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Could you confirm your name, please?
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Robbie Mullen.
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A little about you to start with,
Mr Mullen.
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Where in the country did you grow up?
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Widnes, which is in the north-west.
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Your school days came
to somewhat of an abrupt end.
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An incident involving
you swearing at a teacher?
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Yeah.
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And you've drifted from job to job
since then,
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no real direction in your life?
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I suppose so.
283
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When did you join National Action?
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2015.
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The gentlemen sitting in the dock,
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are they all known to you
through that organisation?
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Yeah.
288
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My lord, could Mr Mullen speak up,
please? I couldn't hear his reply.
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Do try and project your voice
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to the back of the court, please,
Mr Mullen.
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Sorry.
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Yeah.
293
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You and they were all members
of the organisation before the ban?
294
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Yeah.
And were you all still members
295
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after the ban on National Action
at the end of 2016?
296
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Yeah.
297
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After the ban, did there come a time
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when you had contact
with Matthew Collins,
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who worked for the organisation
Hope Not Hate?
300
00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,600
Yeah.
For what reason?
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I couldn't tell you, really.
302
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I knew I just needed
to get out of there...
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My lord, I'm sorry, he has
a tendency to drop his head down,
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drop his voice down.
305
00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,160
Perhaps try moving a little closer
to the microphone please, Mr Mullen.
306
00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,240
Sorry.
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On page 20 of the bundle,
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we can see an email you had screenshot-ed
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and forwarded to Matthew Collins.
310
00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,880
Yeah.
It was an encrypted email
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you'd received from Chris Lythgoe,
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where he was talking
about recruiting new members
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for National Action in towns
in the north-west.
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Er, yeah.
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Largely white towns, and other -
316
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his words -
"horrifically Paki-fied" towns.
317
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Yeah.
318
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Next page of the bundle, another email,
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this one after National Action
had been banned.
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In it you ask Chris Lythgoe,
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"Are you staying leader
of the overall group?"
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And can you read his reply?
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"You're damn fucking right I am.
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"I'm the one person with a clear picture
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"of where we're going long-term."
326
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:33,360
So, in the period immediately after
the ban, Lythgoe remained in charge?
327
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,120
Yeah.
328
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,080
And Matt Hankinson?
329
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He was Chris's second-in-command.
330
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He handled security and stuff.
331
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,880
And after the ban?
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Carried on like before.
333
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,280
They both did.
334
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:03,280
Let's turn our attention now
to the night of July 1st, 2017.
335
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Did Mr Renshaw say
why he was going to kill
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Rosie Cooper and Victoria Henderson?
337
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,200
We believed, at first,
it was because he was depressed
338
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,120
about going to prison
for his hate speeches.
339
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,640
But I now know that it was also
because he'd been arrested
340
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,400
for grooming young boys
and it was about to come out.
341
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,800
What was Mr Lythgoe's demeanour
342
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,440
as Mr Renshaw outlined his plans?
343
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,120
He seemed happy.
344
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Smiling, nodding his head.
345
00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,120
Did he mention the Home Secretary,
Amber Rudd?
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00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,600
Yeah.
347
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He said Jack should do her
instead of Rosie Cooper.
348
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,040
And what did Mr Renshaw say?
349
00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:48,040
He said she'd be too well protected.
350
00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:51,960
Did Mr Hankinson say anything?
351
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,320
Yeah. He said,
"You should do a synagogue."
352
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,240
And I said there'd be kids there...
353
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,920
My lord, again,
I didn't hear any of that.
354
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,200
And I'm afraid it's not just volume.
He has quite a strong accent.
355
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,160
I'm finding it difficult to understand.
356
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,280
Mr Mullen, once again,
I must ask you to speak up.
357
00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:11,320
If you mumble, nobody can understand you.
358
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,960
So, you said there might be children
in a synagogue,
359
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,160
and what did Mr Renshaw say to that?
360
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,640
He said, "All Jews are the same.
361
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,080
"You don't class a rat by its age."
362
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,560
He said, "Vermin is vermin."
363
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,240
Mr Mullen, you made
a statement to the police
364
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,840
describing yourself in 2015,
365
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,880
at the point you joined National Action,
366
00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,000
as a "bored young man looking
for some identity or path to take".
367
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,520
Is that right?
368
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,000
If you say so.
369
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,680
It's not me saying so.
It's what you told the police.
370
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,240
OK.
After leaving school,
371
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,360
you were unemployed
and claiming sickness benefit
372
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,800
for, erm... about four years?
373
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,080
Yeah. I had a... a stomach problem.
374
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,400
Were you sick?
375
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,160
For about a year, on and off.
For one year.
376
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,600
So, you accept
that for three of those four years,
377
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,080
you were fraudulently
claiming benefits then?
378
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,200
It weren't that simple.
379
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,280
Sometimes, I was sick,
380
00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:35,440
and then I got better.
It came and went.
381
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,240
Wearing your National Action hat,
382
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,640
what would your reaction have been,
say, to a young Somali teenager
383
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,440
arriving in this country,
going "on the sick",
384
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,960
with false stomach problems,
385
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,400
and fraudulently claiming
three years of benefits?
386
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,840
Dunno.
387
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,240
What did you think of the murder
of the MP Jo Cox?
388
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,440
I thought the guy that did it was
a weirdo.
389
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,240
You were asked in your police interview,
390
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,020
"Did you think she was a traitor?"
What did you answer?
391
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,600
I don't remember.
392
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,760
Well, I can tell you.
You said, "Yes."
393
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,440
So, I obviously did.
394
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,800
But does it say in that interview
what time I was talking about?
395
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,800
It doesn't really matter, does it,
Mr Mullen?
396
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,920
Well, it obviously does
397
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,040
because I was probably being asked
398
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:27,360
what I thought about it
before she was killed and not after.
399
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,160
You regarded somebody like Jo Cox,
400
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,560
with her stance on immigration,
as a traitor, didn't you?
401
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,200
Yeah, but that doesn't mean
I thought she deserved to be killed.
402
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,080
Thank you, my lord.
No further questions.
403
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,320
Mr Mullen, as you know,
I appear for Christopher Lythgoe.
404
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,680
After your expulsion from school
405
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,480
and a succession of dead-end jobs,
406
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,760
you found being a member
of National Action exciting.
407
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,000
It gave you purpose.
There were finally people
408
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,360
in your life that were listening to you.
409
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,560
I suppose so.
410
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,560
You told the police
411
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,720
that the primary purpose
of National Action
412
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,880
was to start a race war
413
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,400
and to "take our country back".
414
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,560
Yeah.
So, that must mean
415
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,240
that, at that time,
you shared those same views?
416
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,160
I never said that I didn't.
417
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,040
Please speak up, Mr Mullen.
418
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,000
I never said that I didn't share
those views.
419
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,160
Anti-Jew?
420
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,720
At the time, yeah.
421
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,200
Anti-Black?
422
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,760
Yeah.
423
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,320
Anti-Asian, anti any non-white?
424
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,040
Yeah.
425
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,000
Homophobic?
You know what "homophobic" means?
426
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,320
Yeah.
427
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,720
He's the best witness
the defence have got.
428
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,760
So, you were for a white Britain
429
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,160
by any means necessary,
including violence?
430
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,040
Yeah.
431
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,000
Again, we can't hear you.
432
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,560
Yeah.
433
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,720
Are you still racist?
Remember, you are under oath.
434
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,280
Yeah.
435
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,040
But less so.
436
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,400
Now, you say you didn't like the way
that things were working out
437
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,720
with National Action,
which is why you wanted to get out.
438
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,040
And yet, after the murder of Jo Cox,
439
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:29,840
after the organisation was banned,
440
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,120
you still continued
to attend meetings. Why is that?
441
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,480
It wasn't that easy to walk away.
Why not?
442
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,760
I'd spent a lot of time
with these people.
443
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,120
They were my friends.
444
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,120
Perhaps you were lonely?
445
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,640
In a way, yeah.
446
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,800
A lonely drifter with a dead-end life,
447
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,360
in search of friendship and approval.
448
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,560
No further questions.
449
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,040
Thank you, Mr Aylett.
Let's call it a day there
450
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,840
and reconvene on Monday morning.
451
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,440
And the doctor said
you're getting stronger,
452
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,600
and the nurses are well happy with you.
453
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,280
Said I'll be able to take you
for a little walk soon.
454
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,320
No. No, not just yet.
No, you can't have any Guinness yet.
455
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,360
Hello, Matthew.
456
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,800
All right, love?
457
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,120
I've got T-shirts and clean underwear.
458
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,000
We hadn't been down from Liverpool long.
459
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,720
Yours was the first friendly face
I remember.
460
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,520
You know, our kid blamed me
for me dad leaving, not you.
461
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,240
He said, because I told my mum
462
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,680
when I saw you and my dad in bed
together, then I was a grass...
463
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,800
..and it was my fault
that he left us.
464
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,640
I'm sorry.
465
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,000
I know now that my dad was to blame,
you know.
466
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,920
He was the adult.
You were so young.
467
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,520
You know your mum and dad's marriage
was over long before I came along.
468
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:46,240
But I suppose I was responsible
for him moving out.
469
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,520
Why are you still washing his pants?
470
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,760
I don't know.
471
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,960
Did you ever meet anyone else?
472
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,360
Yeah. I married briefly to Ray.
473
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,000
He wasn't your dad.
474
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,000
He was very charismatic.
475
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,800
He still is.
476
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,320
I was in love with him.
477
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,960
Leona, I don't know how to say this.
478
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,920
I hated you when I was growing up.
479
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,760
OK.
480
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,000
And because you ran off with my dad
481
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,960
and split our house up...
482
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,240
..and because you were Black,
483
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,120
I used you as an excuse
to hate all Black people.
484
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,880
Well, to me, yous were all to blame.
485
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,720
You know, my head was so warped.
486
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,560
I was filled with so much anger
and so much hate, I...
487
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,440
..I joined the National Front.
488
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,280
Are you stupid?
489
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,560
No, no, I'm not.
No, Leona, honestly,
490
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,880
I don't think like that any more.
Look, I'm sorry, but...
491
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,000
it's not me.
Do you know what I mean?
492
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,800
I've spent so long
trying to put right what I did.
493
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,880
So, what do you want from me now?
494
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,080
Why are you telling me this?
495
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,920
You want forgiveness?
496
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,720
I think so.
497
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,520
OK.
498
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,800
I forgive you.
499
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,800
But what about everybody else?
500
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,360
Brenda?
501
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,880
'I checked in on Robbie at the flat.
502
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,000
'He's not there.'
Shit!
503
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,480
'Neighbour saw him Friday.
He's legged it to Widnes.'
504
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,120
Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely
where he's gone.
505
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,800
Is it that one?
Yeah.
506
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,520
Natalie?
507
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,560
I'm Matthew Collins.
I know who you are.
508
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,720
We've just come to ask Robbie
to come back to London
509
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,840
to continue giving his evidence.
He's not here.
510
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,600
Don't fuck about. We've driven
for over four hours to get here.
511
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,040
Sorry about that.
512
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,160
What's the point? None of them
believe a word I'm saying anyway.
513
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,840
Come back, lad. Renshaw's been
convicted now. All you got to do...
514
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,680
Stand there while they take the piss
out of me, my pathetic life,
515
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,680
the way I talk? It's not right,
what they're putting him through.
516
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,920
What the fuck has me
getting kicked out of school
517
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,200
or going on the sick
got to do with anything?
518
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,640
Robbie, come back.
519
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,880
I'm not coming back.
Stop being so fucking selfish!
520
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,840
You're behaving like a spoilt brat!
OK, come on.
521
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,320
No, look, there's people doing
everything they can for you.
522
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,440
I put my own family in danger for you.
523
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,280
Now be a man and come back
and finish what you started!
524
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,040
Just fuck off!
No, you fuck off!
525
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,480
Matt, this isn't helping!
526
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,520
Look, he's got to finish this, Natalie.
527
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,760
He doesn't have to do anything.
Now, please,
528
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,390
my brother's made his decision.
Please respect that.
529
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,800
Fucking waste of time that was,
wasn't it?
530
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,640
I don't care what they say, Robbie.
531
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,720
You're not the same
as them other boys on trial.
532
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,520
I think you're a good person.
533
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,160
Night-night.
534
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,840
Court will rise.
535
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,200
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
We are ready to start.
536
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,960
Hello?
537
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,320
'The court's in session.
No-one's seen him.'
538
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,400
OK, keep us posted.
539
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,400
He's not turned up.
540
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,200
What did you say?
541
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,120
He's not here.
542
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,000
Hey, mate.
543
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,560
All right.
544
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,160
I knew you'd turn up.
545
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,680
I see laughing boy's back.
546
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,680
Don't worry about it.
547
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,760
Hello?
548
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,800
'I'm with him now.
I told you not to worry.'
549
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,880
All right. Nice one, mate.
550
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,760
Thanks, ta-ra.
551
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,320
Right, we're back on.
552
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,680
Do you wanna go across?
Yeah. All right.
553
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,440
I'll see you later.
See you in a bit, love.
554
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,720
And wasn't it the case that night,
Mr Mullen,
555
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,200
that Mr Lythgoe and Mr Hankinson
were both very drunk?
556
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,360
It didn't seem like they were to me.
557
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,680
When Mr Renshaw outlined his plans
that night,
558
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,680
how sure were you
that he was being serious?
559
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,080
100%.
560
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,840
And Mr Lythgoe's reaction?
561
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,640
He said something like,
"Don't fuck it up."
562
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:23,120
Are you sure of that?
563
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,680
Could he not actually have said,
by way of comment,
564
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,320
"You'll only fuck it up"?
565
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,120
No. It was "Don't fuck it up".
566
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,400
You see now, I suggest that
that wasn't said, Mr Mullen.
567
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,000
Well, I suggest it was.
568
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,600
After National Action
569
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,080
had been banned...
570
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,440
..and things started
571
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,520
to quieten down,
isn't it the case that you started
572
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,600
to look elsewhere for excitement?
573
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,520
No, that's not the truth.
574
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,240
You didn't want to go back to being
that bored young man
575
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,200
looking for an identity, did you?
Which is why you sexed up
576
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,200
what was actually said
in the pub that night...
577
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,320
That's ridiculous.
578
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,720
..so you had something exciting
579
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,600
to offer your new friends
at Hope Not Hate.
580
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,000
No.
Your friends who had sorted out
581
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,440
a flat for you and the ones who took
you on holiday to Dublin.
582
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,600
It wasn't like that.
Not a holiday holiday.
583
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,040
You had to give them something
nice and juicy, didn't you?
584
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,440
Because they were the ones that were
listening to you now, weren't they?
585
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,400
I don't know what you're going on about.
586
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,760
I'm not making anything up.
I heard what I heard.
587
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,000
And you weren't there, were you, mate?
588
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,840
No further questions, my lord.
589
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:25,760
Thank you, Mr Mullen.
Is that it?
590
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,280
Yes, you may stand down.
591
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,320
Jack Renshaw is a hero!
592
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,480
He's a nonce, mate, and he got
exactly what he deserved, yeah!
593
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,160
My lord, I call Jack Renshaw.
594
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,400
In the pub that night,
were you seeking permission
595
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,320
from Chris Lythgoe and National Action
596
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,040
to do what you had in your mind?
No.
597
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,880
Did he ever say to you,
when you'd revealed your intentions,
598
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,080
"Don't fuck it up"?
599
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,120
No. That sounds like the workings
of Mullen's fantasy.
600
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,000
Were you drunk when you arrived
at the pub that night?
601
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,000
Yes. I was intoxicated
and I was in a poor mental state.
602
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,080
We were all very drunk,
but Chris is very similar to me,
603
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,040
in the sense that we don't normally
show that we're drunk.
604
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,320
You know, we talk more, talk louder,
605
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,080
but, well, physically,
we don't particularly look drunk.
606
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,800
Thank you, Mr Renshaw.
Could you wait there, please?
607
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,880
Mr Renshaw, is it your hatred of the Jews
608
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,960
what led you
into extreme right-wing politics?
609
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,600
Because you hate them, don't you?
610
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,880
Yeah, I do.
Do you accept
611
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,240
that there were gas chambers?
No.
612
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,000
Do you accept the holocaust,
that millions of Jews were killed
613
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,200
by the Nazis during World War II?
614
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,120
No, I do not.
Where did they all go then?
615
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,080
Most of them were put
into concentration camps,
616
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,920
but if you look at the statistics
of Jews prior to the war
617
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,640
and Jews after the war,
618
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,440
the Jewish population actually increased.
619
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,920
So, what was your plan?
620
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,200
What were you going to do
with this machete?
621
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,280
I hadn't really thought it through.
622
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,440
Chop Rosie Cooper's head off?
623
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,720
Through the heart, or what?
624
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,160
Probably the jugular.
625
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,720
And what were you going to do
with this machete on the jugular?
626
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,160
Hack at it.
627
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,160
You said earlier you couldn't
really remember anything
628
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,080
that had happened at the pub
that evening?
629
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,760
Just snippets.
Just snippets.
630
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,040
But do we understand those snippets
to include
631
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,840
that you can remember Mr Hankinson
did not mention the synagogue
632
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,920
as somewhere you might attack instead?
633
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040
That's right.
And you can clearly remember
634
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,280
that Mr Lythgoe did not say,
"Make sure you don't fuck it up"?
635
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,160
Yeah, because that's just
not something he would say.
636
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,080
Those snippets, by chance, you remember -
637
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,520
the ones that help your friends.
638
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,280
Curious that the rest of the conversation
639
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,280
you were too drunk to remember.
Is it that you're trying
640
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,880
to protect your friends, Mr Renshaw?
641
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,400
Is that why you're standing
there now, lying to the jury?
642
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,720
I haven't lied.
643
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,080
Are you all right, Bren?
644
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,210
You just make sure you do
the fucking business in there, yeah?
645
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,080
That's the twat
who's giving Robbie grief.
646
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,600
Is he?
Yeah.
647
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,230
He's been staring him out,
trying to intimidate him.
648
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,640
Hey, gobshite, why don't me and you
go for a little walk
649
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,000
after this, eh?
Any time.
650
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,120
Yeah, any time.
Ready when you are.
651
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,400
Mr Collins,
652
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,480
at one point you, yourself,
were a mole, weren't you?
653
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:19,680
That's right, yeah.
654
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,680
Er... I was a member
of the National Front
655
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,440
and then the BNP.
656
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,360
I was passing information
to an anti-fascist magazine.
657
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,320
How did you first come into contact
with Robbie Mullen?
658
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,080
He wrote to me under a false name.
659
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,560
You know, it was pretty clear that
he felt trapped at National Action.
660
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,600
It was like he was in a cult
and he wanted out.
661
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,480
Did he ever ask for any money
for the information he gave you?
662
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,040
No, none.
663
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,680
Thank you.
664
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,480
You took Mr Mullen on holiday,
didn't you, to Dublin?
665
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,840
I wouldn't exactly call it a holiday.
666
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,960
He needed a breather.
To be honest with you, we both did.
667
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,880
Well, the situation was very tense
at the time.
668
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,840
Was that as a reward for coming up
with some juicy titbits
669
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,320
for your website
670
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,920
and Hope Not Hate magazine?
671
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,440
No. We felt like we had
a duty of care towards him,
672
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,280
you know, both for his physical
and mental wellbeing.
673
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,680
Well, because, as you said,
you'd been there yourself.
674
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,680
All those years ago,
that anti-fascist magazine had paid
675
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,040
for an air ticket for you
to Australia, hadn't it?
676
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,720
That's right, they did, yeah.
677
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,440
Yeah, but there's a big difference
between me and Robbie Mullen.
678
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,120
You see, I ran off to Australia
679
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,880
rather than be called up to face
any trial
680
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,240
because I didn't want to be accused
publicly as an informant.
681
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,760
You know, I didn't wanna be called
a grass.
682
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,280
You see, me and Robbie come
from a similar background
683
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,920
and we both know what that means.
684
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,360
But he's got the courage
685
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,760
to come back and face the people
he's accusing.
686
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,600
Very commendable, I'm sure.
687
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,680
No, what I'm saying is...
Thank you, my lord.
688
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,840
What I'm saying is Robbie Mullen's
a better man than me.
689
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,160
Court will rise.
690
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,440
Foreman of the jury,
691
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,320
have you reached verdicts
upon which you are all agreed?
692
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,000
Yes.
693
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,600
Will the defendants please rise?
694
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,240
On count three,
encouragement to commit murder,
695
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,440
do you find the defendant,
Christopher Lythgoe,
696
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,800
guilty or not guilty?
697
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,280
Not guilty.
698
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,800
On count four, membership
of a proscribed organisation,
699
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,240
contrary to Section 11
of the Terrorism Act,
700
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:48,280
do you find the defendant,
Jack Renshaw, guilty or not guilty?
701
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,320
Not guilty.
702
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,640
On the same count, membership
of a proscribed organisation,
703
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,800
do you find the defendant,
Matthew Hankinson,
704
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,680
guilty or not guilty?
705
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,400
Guilty.
706
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,000
On the same count, membership
of a proscribed organisation,
707
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,960
do you find the defendant,
Christopher Lythgoe,
708
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,320
guilty or not guilty?
709
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,200
Guilty.
710
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,280
The idea that this country should be
purged of its ethnic minorities,
711
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,960
its Jews and homosexuals,
712
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,360
and an ideological revolution
imposed on the population by force,
713
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,560
is both insidious and evil.
714
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,480
Only a moment's thought is required
to come to the conclusion
715
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,720
that violence and repression
716
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,200
on an unprecedented scale would be needed
717
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,920
to achieve such a reign of terror,
718
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,480
because so many right-minded people
would rise up
719
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,680
and oppose these monstrous plans.
720
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,440
All right? Come in.
You OK?
721
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,040
Thanks for looking after him
during the trial.
722
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,640
Well, he did that himself.
723
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,470
Nobody can persuade him
to do anything he don't want to.
724
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,320
All right.
725
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,480
Ah, ta.
726
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,320
Ooh.
727
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,520
So, go on, then.
728
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,000
What did they get?
729
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,600
Renshaw got life
with a minimum term of 20 years.
730
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,880
Lythgoe got eight and Hankinson got six.
731
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,800
Rosie Cooper, the MP,
she thanked you at the trial.
732
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,560
She gave a statement, saying how
grateful she was for what you did.
733
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,000
She's supposed to be meeting us
at the House of Commons today.
734
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,440
That's why I came down here, but...
735
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,360
I was going to go along with you,
wasn't I?
736
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,640
Mm.
Then why aren't yous going?
737
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:11,840
Well, the police cancelled it
this morning,
738
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,640
and they told her
she can't meet with Robbie.
739
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,040
Why can't they just leave it be, eh?
740
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,680
My mum's got Ellie and I wanted
to do some shopping afterwards.
741
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,280
I was looking forward to it.
742
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,320
That's what happens to people
like us, innit?
743
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,640
Right, get your coat.
744
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,560
What?
We're going shopping, come on!
745
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,040
We'll get the tube into town.
Are you coming, Robbie?
746
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,480
Absolutely not!
747
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,240
Are you sure?
748
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,600
Right.
749
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,840
I'll see you later.
Have fun. See you later.
750
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,720
See you later, love.
Cheers.
751
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,400
Don't spend too much money!
752
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,640
You don't fancy that, lad, no?
No!
753
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,240
I can't think of anything worse, myself.
754
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,400
I don't think they believed a word
I said, did they...
755
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,240
the jury?
756
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,000
I told you they wouldn't.
757
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,480
Well, we got the guilty convictions
we needed, didn't we?
758
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,080
Got a couple of non-guilties too, though.
759
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,240
Well, either way,
they're all in prison, aren't they?
760
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,800
Look, you stopped two women
from getting murdered.
761
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,040
Never forget that.
762
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,040
You know, the best bit of the trial
for me, Rob,
763
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,440
was when they asked you
was you still a racist...
764
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,360
..and you said, "Less so."
765
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,040
You know, it's not just all
about people like me
766
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,720
being struck by bolts of lightning
767
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,280
and suddenly seeing the world
differently.
768
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,600
It's about people like you...
769
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,160
..changing just a little bit.
770
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,840
You know, in the words
of the late, great Robert Nesta,
771
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,200
"We all have a voice inside us
that talks to us
772
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,240
"and that's the voice we must listen to.
773
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,680
"Because in everything you do,
774
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,440
"there's a right way and a wrong way.
775
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,520
"And if you listen good,
776
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,040
"you'll know the right way."
777
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,600
"Less so."
778
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,640
I'll have that, lad.
That's progress.
779
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,040
Jo Cox.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
780
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,960
It's a great privilege to be called
to make my maiden speech
781
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,720
in this most important of debates,
and I congratulate many others
782
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,450
who've made outstanding
maiden speeches today as well.
783
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,840
Batley and Spen is a gathering
of typically independent,
784
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,480
no-nonsense, proud Yorkshire towns
and villages.
785
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,880
Our communities have been
deeply enhanced by immigration,
786
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,400
be it Irish Catholics
across the constituency,
787
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,240
or Muslims from Indian Gujarat or
Pakistan, principally from Kashmir.
788
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,160
And whilst we celebrate our diversity,
789
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,680
the thing that surprises me,
time and time again,
790
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,080
as I travel around the constituency,
is that we are far more united
791
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,000
and have far more in common
than that which divides us.
792
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,000
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