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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:18,315 --> 00:00:22,235 I have therefore chosen this time and place 2 00:00:22,444 --> 00:00:26,823 to discuss a topic on which ignorance too often abounds 3 00:00:26,823 --> 00:00:29,826 and the truth too rarely perceived, 4 00:00:29,993 --> 00:00:33,872 and that is the most important topic on earth, peace. 5 00:00:34,789 --> 00:00:35,999 What kind of a peace do I mean 6 00:00:36,208 --> 00:00:39,252 and what kind of a peace do we seek? 7 00:00:39,252 --> 00:00:44,007 Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world 8 00:00:44,007 --> 00:00:46,885 by American weapons of war. 9 00:00:46,885 --> 00:00:48,094 Not the peace of the grave 10 00:00:49,471 --> 00:00:51,014 or the security of the slave. 11 00:00:52,057 --> 00:00:55,602 I am talking about genuine peace, 12 00:00:55,602 --> 00:00:59,564 the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living. 13 00:00:59,564 --> 00:01:02,651 The kind that enables men and nations to grow 14 00:01:02,651 --> 00:01:04,110 and to hope 15 00:01:04,277 --> 00:01:07,113 and build a better life for their children, 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:12,953 not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women. 17 00:01:12,953 --> 00:01:17,290 Not merely peace in our time, but peace in all time. 18 00:01:17,457 --> 00:01:19,960 [tranquil music playing] 19 00:01:32,681 --> 00:01:35,559 [woman] That straight, sleek look that it should have, 20 00:01:35,559 --> 00:01:37,060 and very often you'll find 21 00:01:37,060 --> 00:01:41,064 a zipper hidden in the, uh, arm and-- 22 00:01:43,108 --> 00:01:44,276 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. 23 00:01:44,442 --> 00:01:46,403 You'll excuse the fact that I'm out of breath, 24 00:01:46,403 --> 00:01:48,947 but about 10 or 15 minutes ago, 25 00:01:48,947 --> 00:01:51,700 a tragic thing, from all indications at this point, 26 00:01:51,700 --> 00:01:52,951 has happened in the city of Dallas. 27 00:01:54,286 --> 00:01:56,580 This is Walter Cronkite in our newsroom. 28 00:01:56,580 --> 00:01:59,833 Here's a, uh, piece of copy that was rushed to-- to me 29 00:01:59,833 --> 00:02:02,002 and was torn off from the United Press. 30 00:02:02,002 --> 00:02:03,169 President Kennedy has been shot in Dallas. 31 00:02:03,336 --> 00:02:05,922 Along with Governor Connally of Texas. 32 00:02:05,922 --> 00:02:08,216 They've been taken to Parkland Hospital there, 33 00:02:08,216 --> 00:02:11,052 where their condition is, as yet, unknown. 34 00:02:11,052 --> 00:02:12,178 [reporter 1] And just now we've received 35 00:02:12,178 --> 00:02:13,680 reports here at Parkland 36 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,433 that Governor Connally was shot in the upper left chest, 37 00:02:16,433 --> 00:02:18,852 and the first unconfirmed reports 38 00:02:18,852 --> 00:02:20,895 say the President was hit in the head. 39 00:02:20,895 --> 00:02:22,397 That's an unconfirmed report 40 00:02:22,397 --> 00:02:24,232 that the President was hit in the head. 41 00:02:24,232 --> 00:02:25,609 [reporter 2] Police began chasing 42 00:02:25,609 --> 00:02:29,029 an unknown gunman across the railroad tracks. 43 00:02:29,029 --> 00:02:31,031 Would you see if they need some coffee or something? 44 00:02:31,031 --> 00:02:32,198 These people are awfully shaken up. 45 00:02:32,198 --> 00:02:33,366 They were in the line of fire. 46 00:02:33,533 --> 00:02:35,201 [man] The President's car was some 50 feet 47 00:02:35,201 --> 00:02:37,037 when we heard the first shot. 48 00:02:37,037 --> 00:02:39,414 And then as the car got directly in front of us, 49 00:02:39,414 --> 00:02:41,458 a gunshot from the top of the hill 50 00:02:41,458 --> 00:02:43,793 hit the President's side-- side of the temple. 51 00:02:43,793 --> 00:02:45,378 [reporter over phone] Where did the shots come from? 52 00:02:45,378 --> 00:02:46,796 [woman over phone] The shots came from the hill. 53 00:02:46,796 --> 00:02:47,589 [reporter] From the hill? 54 00:02:47,589 --> 00:02:48,256 [woman] Yes. 55 00:02:48,256 --> 00:02:49,424 [reporter 3] Excuse me just a moment, John. 56 00:02:49,424 --> 00:02:51,009 Uh, there was just word from the hospital 57 00:02:51,176 --> 00:02:54,012 that they have dispatched a call for a neurosurgeon. 58 00:02:54,012 --> 00:02:56,014 All we can do now is pray for him, 59 00:02:56,014 --> 00:02:57,724 and that's about all we can do. 60 00:03:00,644 --> 00:03:02,729 [reporter 4] President's wife, Jackie Kennedy, was not hurt. 61 00:03:02,729 --> 00:03:05,899 She walked into the hospital. A priest has been ordered. 62 00:03:05,899 --> 00:03:07,067 Emergency supplies of blood 63 00:03:07,067 --> 00:03:08,652 also being rushed to the hospital. 64 00:03:08,818 --> 00:03:11,279 [reporter 5] Just a moment. We have a bulletin coming in. 65 00:03:11,279 --> 00:03:13,156 We'll now put you directly through Parkland Hospital 66 00:03:13,156 --> 00:03:15,575 and KBLX news director, Bill Hamdon. 67 00:03:15,575 --> 00:03:17,452 [reporter 6] Two priests, who were with 68 00:03:17,452 --> 00:03:19,746 President Kennedy, say he is dead. 69 00:03:19,746 --> 00:03:20,914 [woman gasps] 70 00:03:22,290 --> 00:03:24,584 -Just two priests announced it? -[man] Yes. 71 00:03:24,584 --> 00:03:26,002 But it's not the truth, is it? 72 00:03:31,216 --> 00:03:33,093 [Walter Cronkite] The flash, apparently official, 73 00:03:34,094 --> 00:03:36,513 President Kennedy died 74 00:03:36,513 --> 00:03:39,057 at 1:00 p.m. Central Standard Time, 75 00:03:40,684 --> 00:03:42,852 some 38 minutes ago. 76 00:03:45,730 --> 00:03:47,774 [boy] I just can't see why anybody would want 77 00:03:47,774 --> 00:03:51,236 to shoot Mr. Kennedy for all the things he's done for us. 78 00:03:51,403 --> 00:03:54,322 He tried to keep us from getting into war and everything. 79 00:03:54,322 --> 00:04:01,538 It's a simple matter of a bullet right through the head. 80 00:04:01,538 --> 00:04:03,748 [officer] All the information that we have received 81 00:04:03,915 --> 00:04:05,792 now indicates that it did come 82 00:04:05,792 --> 00:04:08,837 from about the fifth or fourth floor of that building. 83 00:04:09,838 --> 00:04:11,715 We're checking it out now. 84 00:04:11,881 --> 00:04:13,091 10-4 now, and 112. 85 00:04:14,926 --> 00:04:17,262 We found empty rifle shells, 86 00:04:17,470 --> 00:04:20,265 and it looked like the man had been there for some time. 87 00:04:20,265 --> 00:04:21,891 [reporter 7] Police made a systematic search 88 00:04:21,891 --> 00:04:23,017 of the building. 89 00:04:23,393 --> 00:04:24,936 They found no weapon. 90 00:04:25,145 --> 00:04:26,396 [reporter 8] We just got the word. 91 00:04:26,396 --> 00:04:28,356 Lyndon B. Johnson has been sworn in 92 00:04:28,356 --> 00:04:31,151 as the President of the United States 93 00:04:31,359 --> 00:04:34,571 just prior to a takeoff to return to Washington. 94 00:04:35,155 --> 00:04:40,076 [reporter 9] Behind the casket is Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy. 95 00:04:40,285 --> 00:04:41,870 They are helping her down. 96 00:04:43,163 --> 00:04:47,000 Now, new President, Lyndon Baines Johnson. 97 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,004 We have suffered a loss that cannot be weighed. 98 00:04:51,004 --> 00:04:52,547 [reporter 10] At Bethesda Naval Hospital, 99 00:04:52,547 --> 00:04:54,591 the autopsy team has completed work. 100 00:04:54,591 --> 00:04:57,343 Now the body of the slain President and his widow 101 00:04:57,510 --> 00:05:00,847 are at last brought home to the White House. 102 00:05:00,847 --> 00:05:02,599 [reporter 11] Who do you think would do something like this? 103 00:05:04,517 --> 00:05:07,228 Probably some segregationist crackpot or something. 104 00:05:07,228 --> 00:05:09,564 Just... They had it all planned out. 105 00:05:09,564 --> 00:05:12,358 I really believe that his blood will be on their hands. 106 00:05:14,819 --> 00:05:15,820 [reporter 12] Here is the suspect. 107 00:05:16,029 --> 00:05:16,738 Can we roll it please? 108 00:05:16,738 --> 00:05:18,114 [Lee Harvey Oswald] People have given me a hearing 109 00:05:18,114 --> 00:05:20,408 without legal representation or anything. 110 00:05:20,408 --> 00:05:22,410 -Did you shoot the President? -I didn't shoot anybody. 111 00:05:22,577 --> 00:05:24,829 I emphatically deny these charges. 112 00:05:24,829 --> 00:05:27,665 [reporter 13] This is 24-year-old Lee H. Oswald. 113 00:05:27,665 --> 00:05:29,459 He answers the description of a young man 114 00:05:29,459 --> 00:05:31,836 sighted at the Book Depository Building. 115 00:05:31,836 --> 00:05:34,088 [reporter 14] Police chased Oswald into a movie theater. 116 00:05:34,088 --> 00:05:37,634 Police said he fired at them, killing Patrolman J.D. Tippit. 117 00:05:37,634 --> 00:05:40,470 A rifle was found in a building where he worked. 118 00:05:40,470 --> 00:05:42,472 [reporter 15] Police refused to say whether they have 119 00:05:42,472 --> 00:05:44,766 any fingerprints from that weapon as yet. 120 00:05:44,766 --> 00:05:48,269 The man obviously was an excellent shot or very lucky, 121 00:05:48,436 --> 00:05:51,064 in that witnesses said three shots were fired, 122 00:05:51,231 --> 00:05:53,274 at least two of them found their marks. 123 00:05:53,274 --> 00:05:54,526 [reporter 16] At the Capitol Rotunda, 124 00:05:54,526 --> 00:05:56,945 there will be three short speeches 125 00:05:56,945 --> 00:05:59,823 before the public is allowed to start viewing the body. 126 00:05:59,823 --> 00:06:03,159 Chief, do you have any concern for the safety of your prisoner? 127 00:06:03,159 --> 00:06:04,828 [officer] No, but because necessary 128 00:06:04,828 --> 00:06:06,496 precautions will be taken, of course. 129 00:06:06,496 --> 00:06:07,956 [reporter 17] Is there any doubt in your mind, Chief, 130 00:06:07,956 --> 00:06:09,749 that Oswald is the man who killed the President? 131 00:06:09,749 --> 00:06:11,709 [officer] I think this is the man who killed the President. 132 00:06:11,709 --> 00:06:13,545 I'm just a patsy. 133 00:06:13,545 --> 00:06:16,339 [reporter 18] So great is the crush outside the Capitol, 134 00:06:16,506 --> 00:06:19,676 that people who have not been in line can't possibly. 135 00:06:19,843 --> 00:06:21,553 We are now switching to Dallas 136 00:06:21,553 --> 00:06:23,888 where they are about to move Lee Oswald and whether-- 137 00:06:24,055 --> 00:06:25,014 [gunshot] 138 00:06:25,014 --> 00:06:26,724 [reporter 19] He's been shot. 139 00:06:26,724 --> 00:06:29,185 [indistinct] 140 00:06:29,185 --> 00:06:30,645 [reporter 20] There's a man with a gun. 141 00:06:30,645 --> 00:06:32,689 [Cronkite] Lee Harvey Oswald, 142 00:06:32,689 --> 00:06:35,859 the man who Dallas police say killed President Kennedy, 143 00:06:36,025 --> 00:06:37,485 himself is dead. 144 00:06:37,652 --> 00:06:40,697 The man Dallas police seized at the scene, 145 00:06:40,697 --> 00:06:43,950 and are holding, has been identified as Jack Ruby. 146 00:06:43,950 --> 00:06:48,037 He is being held by the Dallas police. Now, back to Washington. 147 00:06:49,664 --> 00:06:51,082 [reporter 21] Fifty-three countries 148 00:06:51,249 --> 00:06:53,710 are represented in all today. 149 00:06:53,710 --> 00:06:57,297 There are a dozen members of ruling royal families, 150 00:06:57,297 --> 00:06:59,924 30 foreign ministers. 151 00:07:00,133 --> 00:07:01,217 [reporter 22] Things should be all right 152 00:07:01,426 --> 00:07:02,760 in the few months ahead. 153 00:07:02,969 --> 00:07:05,305 [Dwight D. Eisenhower] I'm sure the, uh, 154 00:07:05,305 --> 00:07:07,640 entire citizenry of the nation 155 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:12,270 will stand faithfully behind the government. 156 00:07:12,270 --> 00:07:16,566 This bizarre sequence of double killings raise great questions. 157 00:07:16,566 --> 00:07:19,277 Who actually fired the shots that killed Kennedy? 158 00:07:19,277 --> 00:07:21,195 Was there a conspiracy? 159 00:07:21,195 --> 00:07:25,450 The first wound described is a wound in the back of the head 160 00:07:25,450 --> 00:07:27,619 and would seem to indicate a shot from behind. 161 00:07:27,619 --> 00:07:29,287 But the doctors also said there was 162 00:07:29,287 --> 00:07:31,039 a wound in the throat at the front, 163 00:07:31,039 --> 00:07:33,625 which seemed to indicate a shot from the other direction. 164 00:07:33,625 --> 00:07:35,585 [Cronkite] The new President, Lyndon Johnson, 165 00:07:35,585 --> 00:07:37,795 appointed a commission of seven prominent Americans 166 00:07:37,795 --> 00:07:40,131 to investigate the whole affair. 167 00:07:40,131 --> 00:07:42,800 Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States. 168 00:07:42,967 --> 00:07:45,637 Richard B. Russell, senator from Georgia. 169 00:07:45,637 --> 00:07:48,389 John Sherman Cooper, senator from Kentucky. 170 00:07:48,556 --> 00:07:51,392 Hale Boggs, representative from Louisiana 171 00:07:51,559 --> 00:07:54,729 Gerald R. Ford, representative from Michigan. 172 00:07:54,729 --> 00:07:57,440 John J. McCloy, presidential adviser. 173 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,110 Allen W. Dulles, ex-head of the CIA. 174 00:08:01,110 --> 00:08:02,695 - Are you convinced that he was shot from 175 00:08:02,904 --> 00:08:04,113 the School Book Depository? 176 00:08:04,113 --> 00:08:06,658 Well, I think we better leave all that, you know. 177 00:08:06,866 --> 00:08:09,452 The evidence report will cover all-- all of that. 178 00:08:27,220 --> 00:08:28,596 [reporter 23] The Warren Commission 179 00:08:28,805 --> 00:08:30,014 makes these major findings. 180 00:08:30,014 --> 00:08:32,642 Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated President Kennedy. 181 00:08:32,642 --> 00:08:34,268 He did it alone. 182 00:08:34,435 --> 00:08:36,104 He was not a part of any conspiracy, 183 00:08:36,104 --> 00:08:37,689 either domestic or foreign. 184 00:08:37,689 --> 00:08:38,898 [reporter 24] Some other details 185 00:08:39,065 --> 00:08:41,025 will be of interest mainly to historians 186 00:08:41,192 --> 00:08:42,986 and others having some special interest. 187 00:08:42,986 --> 00:08:45,238 [reporter 25] But there was one further piece of evidence 188 00:08:45,405 --> 00:08:47,448 that the public cannot see. 189 00:08:47,448 --> 00:08:50,702 Abraham Zapruder's film of the actual assassination. 190 00:08:50,702 --> 00:08:53,287 This murder now is the most thoroughly 191 00:08:53,287 --> 00:08:55,581 documented crime in American history. 192 00:08:55,581 --> 00:08:57,583 And for those who care to pursue it 193 00:08:57,583 --> 00:09:00,086 down to the last detail, it's all there. 194 00:09:12,348 --> 00:09:15,268 [Oliver Stone] This is Dealey Plaza. 195 00:09:15,268 --> 00:09:18,980 To this day, it remains a crime scene. 196 00:09:18,980 --> 00:09:21,399 In the years since the Warren Report, 197 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:23,735 many significant re-investigations were made 198 00:09:23,901 --> 00:09:26,029 into the murder of President Kennedy. 199 00:09:27,572 --> 00:09:30,158 Each one revealed new facts and evidence 200 00:09:30,324 --> 00:09:33,494 that shed more light on what really happened here that day. 201 00:09:35,580 --> 00:09:39,167 Starting in 1975, after the Watergate scandal, 202 00:09:39,333 --> 00:09:42,003 Senator Frank Church conducted an investigation 203 00:09:42,003 --> 00:09:46,215 into the abuses and crimes of the FBI and CIA. 204 00:09:46,215 --> 00:09:49,135 During that time, the public learned of the CIA plots 205 00:09:49,302 --> 00:09:51,179 to assassinate foreign leaders 206 00:09:51,179 --> 00:09:53,931 like Patrice Lumumba of the Republic of Congo 207 00:09:53,931 --> 00:09:56,559 and Fidel Castro of Cuba. 208 00:09:56,726 --> 00:10:00,772 Plots orchestrated under Director Allen Dulles. 209 00:10:00,772 --> 00:10:03,024 But the Church committee didn't stop there. 210 00:10:03,024 --> 00:10:05,651 Senators Richard Schweiker and Gary Hart 211 00:10:05,651 --> 00:10:09,363 were tasked to reexamine the roles of the CIA and FBI 212 00:10:09,363 --> 00:10:13,201 as the chief investigators for the Warren Commission, 213 00:10:13,201 --> 00:10:15,995 and look for signs of conflicts or cover-ups. 214 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,539 J. Edgar Hoover writes, 215 00:10:18,539 --> 00:10:20,958 "Yes, we did have a relationship with Mr. Ruby 216 00:10:21,125 --> 00:10:23,544 and he acted as our informant." 217 00:10:23,544 --> 00:10:26,464 Now, who said that at the time of the Warren Commission report? 218 00:10:26,464 --> 00:10:30,343 Did anybody ever imply that-- that Jack Ruby 219 00:10:30,343 --> 00:10:33,096 was a confidential informant for the FBI? 220 00:10:33,096 --> 00:10:36,641 Nobody breathed that. That was classified. 221 00:10:36,641 --> 00:10:38,684 [Stone] Faith in what the American public was told 222 00:10:38,684 --> 00:10:41,771 by the Warren Commission was starting to unravel. 223 00:10:41,938 --> 00:10:45,024 The intelligence agencies did all the wrong things 224 00:10:45,024 --> 00:10:47,568 if they really were looking for conspiracy 225 00:10:47,568 --> 00:10:49,946 or to find out who killed John Kennedy. 226 00:10:49,946 --> 00:10:53,574 [Stone] The search for real answers gained momentum. 227 00:10:53,574 --> 00:10:55,952 Then, 12 years after the assassination, 228 00:10:55,952 --> 00:10:58,746 the most iconic piece of evidence was leaked 229 00:10:58,913 --> 00:11:00,998 and finally shown to the public. 230 00:11:01,165 --> 00:11:03,251 It's the film shot by the Dallas 231 00:11:03,251 --> 00:11:06,629 dress manufacturer, Abraham Zapruder. 232 00:11:06,796 --> 00:11:10,007 And it's the execution of President Kennedy, 233 00:11:10,174 --> 00:11:11,843 and, uh, Bob and Dick, 234 00:11:11,843 --> 00:11:13,219 would you please narrate 235 00:11:13,386 --> 00:11:15,471 what we're seeing as we show this film? 236 00:11:15,471 --> 00:11:17,223 [Robert Groden] Now, before he goes behind the sign, 237 00:11:17,223 --> 00:11:19,100 the President is waving to the crowd. 238 00:11:19,100 --> 00:11:20,893 When he comes out from behind the sign, he is shot. 239 00:11:20,893 --> 00:11:22,436 Then Governor Connally is shot. 240 00:11:22,436 --> 00:11:23,688 [Geraldo Rivera] He's already been hit. 241 00:11:23,688 --> 00:11:25,064 [Groden] He's already been hit. 242 00:11:25,064 --> 00:11:26,858 [Rivera] And now? 243 00:11:26,858 --> 00:11:29,443 [Groden] At the bottom of the screen, the head shot. 244 00:11:29,443 --> 00:11:32,071 [Rivera] That's the shot that blew off his head. 245 00:11:32,071 --> 00:11:34,240 That's the most upsetting thing I've ever seen. 246 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,533 We'll talk about it in a minute. 247 00:11:35,533 --> 00:11:37,410 [Stone] Seeing the shock and brutality 248 00:11:37,577 --> 00:11:39,787 of the actual assassination 249 00:11:39,787 --> 00:11:41,414 caused a public outcry. 250 00:11:41,414 --> 00:11:43,040 The government formed 251 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:48,212 the House Select Committee on Assassinations, the HSCA. 252 00:11:48,212 --> 00:11:50,548 The committee will come to order. 253 00:11:50,548 --> 00:11:53,050 [Stone] The HSCA re-interviewed witnesses 254 00:11:53,050 --> 00:11:54,677 and took new testimonies 255 00:11:54,677 --> 00:11:56,470 that exposed massive inconsistencies 256 00:11:56,470 --> 00:11:58,848 with the original Warren Report. 257 00:11:58,848 --> 00:12:01,184 Has any other scientist to date 258 00:12:01,184 --> 00:12:06,314 linked the so-called pristine bullet to the injuries? 259 00:12:06,314 --> 00:12:08,191 Not that I'm aware of. No. 260 00:12:08,191 --> 00:12:14,280 The Pentagon has destroyed its Kennedy assassination file, 261 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,533 and we don't know why that was done. 262 00:12:17,533 --> 00:12:19,619 [Stone] But at the end of that investigation, 263 00:12:19,619 --> 00:12:22,330 what the HSCA learned was considered 264 00:12:22,330 --> 00:12:24,749 too damaging to be made public. 265 00:12:24,749 --> 00:12:27,168 And close to a half-million records 266 00:12:27,168 --> 00:12:30,713 were to remain sealed until 2029, 267 00:12:30,713 --> 00:12:33,132 a fact that we made clear 268 00:12:33,132 --> 00:12:35,885 at the conclusion to our 1991 film, JFK. 269 00:12:37,303 --> 00:12:39,055 The media controversy that accompanied 270 00:12:39,055 --> 00:12:41,849 the film forced Congress to do something about 271 00:12:41,849 --> 00:12:46,145 the secrecy that still surrounded these classified files. 272 00:12:46,145 --> 00:12:48,356 Hearings were held on Capitol Hill. 273 00:12:48,356 --> 00:12:49,941 Most Americans did not 274 00:12:49,941 --> 00:12:51,817 believe or support the verdict 275 00:12:51,817 --> 00:12:54,070 of the Warren Commission initially. 276 00:12:54,070 --> 00:12:56,948 And now more than three in four, 277 00:12:56,948 --> 00:12:59,909 according to all recent samplings of public opinion, 278 00:13:00,076 --> 00:13:03,621 think some conspiracy was involved. 279 00:13:03,621 --> 00:13:05,831 And in 1992, the John F. Kennedy 280 00:13:05,831 --> 00:13:08,584 Records Collection Act was passed. 281 00:13:08,584 --> 00:13:10,044 Clerk will report the title. 282 00:13:10,044 --> 00:13:11,587 Senate 3006, an act to provide 283 00:13:11,754 --> 00:13:13,839 for the expeditious disclosure of records 284 00:13:13,839 --> 00:13:17,051 relevant to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. 285 00:13:17,051 --> 00:13:18,719 [Stone] This act provided funding 286 00:13:18,719 --> 00:13:21,764 and formed the Assassination Records Review Board, 287 00:13:24,016 --> 00:13:27,311 The public wasn't going to have to wait until 2029. 288 00:13:27,311 --> 00:13:30,523 Declassification was to begin now. 289 00:13:30,523 --> 00:13:32,233 The board was given a budget 290 00:13:32,233 --> 00:13:34,402 and timeline of four years to declassify 291 00:13:34,402 --> 00:13:36,612 and make public as many documents 292 00:13:36,612 --> 00:13:39,198 and records as possible. 293 00:13:39,365 --> 00:13:41,617 They managed to collect over two million pages 294 00:13:41,617 --> 00:13:45,121 of declassified records and artifacts. 295 00:13:45,121 --> 00:13:48,624 They are all housed at the National Archives in Maryland, 296 00:13:48,624 --> 00:13:50,793 and since then, the public has been free 297 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,839 to view, study, and investigate. 298 00:13:54,839 --> 00:13:57,383 There is now so much more that we know, 299 00:13:57,550 --> 00:13:59,635 and with those facts in hand, 300 00:13:59,635 --> 00:14:01,887 we will go back and piece together 301 00:14:02,054 --> 00:14:03,931 what really happened that day, 302 00:14:03,931 --> 00:14:06,851 and discover the reasons why. 303 00:14:08,561 --> 00:14:09,645 Let's begin. 304 00:14:11,105 --> 00:14:12,189 [reporter] Something has happened 305 00:14:12,189 --> 00:14:12,982 in the motorcade. 306 00:14:12,982 --> 00:14:13,983 Standby, please. 307 00:14:13,983 --> 00:14:15,651 [Whoopi Goldberg] The JFK case 308 00:14:15,651 --> 00:14:18,112 was such a mass of confusion. 309 00:14:18,112 --> 00:14:20,239 For example, the Warren Commission 310 00:14:20,406 --> 00:14:23,492 was limited to only three shots, 311 00:14:23,492 --> 00:14:26,704 because three shells were found on the sixth floor 312 00:14:26,704 --> 00:14:28,664 of the School Book Depository. 313 00:14:28,873 --> 00:14:29,874 [J. Edgar Hoover] On that floor, 314 00:14:30,082 --> 00:14:32,793 we found the three empty shells that had been fired, 315 00:14:33,002 --> 00:14:35,296 but they had characteristics on them 316 00:14:35,504 --> 00:14:37,548 so that our ballistics expert 317 00:14:37,548 --> 00:14:40,634 was able to prove that they were fired by this gun. 318 00:14:40,634 --> 00:14:42,303 [Lyndon Johnson] Any of them fired at me? 319 00:14:42,303 --> 00:14:43,262 [Hoover] No, there was never any... 320 00:14:43,262 --> 00:14:44,472 [Johnson] All three at the President? 321 00:14:44,472 --> 00:14:45,473 [Hoover] All three at the President, 322 00:14:45,473 --> 00:14:46,682 and we have them. 323 00:14:46,682 --> 00:14:48,100 [Goldberg] The FBI concluded that 324 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:51,020 all three bullets struck inside the car. 325 00:14:51,020 --> 00:14:52,897 [Hoover] He was hit by the first and the third. 326 00:14:53,064 --> 00:14:54,690 The second shot hit the governor. 327 00:14:54,857 --> 00:14:56,484 The third shot tore a large part 328 00:14:56,484 --> 00:14:59,320 of the President's head off. 329 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,490 The Warren Commission put itself in a straitjacket. 330 00:15:02,490 --> 00:15:05,785 They could not possibly allow more than three shots, 331 00:15:05,785 --> 00:15:07,661 because four shots or more 332 00:15:07,661 --> 00:15:09,789 would have clearly indicated conspiracy. 333 00:15:09,789 --> 00:15:11,582 And they were not going there. 334 00:15:11,582 --> 00:15:13,501 [James Tague speaking] 335 00:15:21,592 --> 00:15:23,594 [Goldberg] Records show the first shot 336 00:15:23,594 --> 00:15:25,763 had missed its target completely, 337 00:15:25,930 --> 00:15:28,974 and the final shot hit Kennedy in the head. 338 00:15:29,141 --> 00:15:32,728 So, how does one account for one bullet hitting two victims, 339 00:15:32,937 --> 00:15:34,146 and doing all this damage? 340 00:15:35,523 --> 00:15:38,192 Arlen Specter was a Yale Law School graduate 341 00:15:38,192 --> 00:15:41,404 working in the Philadelphia district attorney's office, 342 00:15:41,404 --> 00:15:44,573 when he was asked to serve on the Warren Commission. 343 00:15:44,573 --> 00:15:48,869 Aha! What if one bullet made all seven wounds? 344 00:15:48,869 --> 00:15:50,329 Arlen Specter, he is the one 345 00:15:50,329 --> 00:15:52,873 that gave birth to the single-bullet theory. 346 00:15:52,873 --> 00:15:55,334 What if one bullet went into Kennedy's back 347 00:15:55,334 --> 00:15:58,003 and came out his neck, 348 00:15:58,003 --> 00:16:01,215 and then went into Connally's back, piercing the lung, 349 00:16:01,215 --> 00:16:03,884 destroying four inches of the right fifth rib, 350 00:16:03,884 --> 00:16:05,970 exiting from the front of his chest, 351 00:16:05,970 --> 00:16:07,430 going into the back of the wrist, 352 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:09,557 shattering the distal end of the radius. 353 00:16:09,557 --> 00:16:11,183 In a 6-foot-4 guy like Connally, 354 00:16:11,183 --> 00:16:13,686 that's a big heavy bone comminuted fracture. 355 00:16:13,686 --> 00:16:15,438 Exits from the front of the wrist, 356 00:16:15,438 --> 00:16:17,440 goes into his left thigh. 357 00:16:17,606 --> 00:16:19,817 Whatever you want, whatever you need, 358 00:16:19,984 --> 00:16:22,820 this bullet happily and readily obliges you. 359 00:16:22,820 --> 00:16:25,072 It is indeed a magic bullet. 360 00:16:26,323 --> 00:16:28,993 CE-399 was the magic bullet, 361 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,204 and all government investigations so far 362 00:16:32,371 --> 00:16:34,957 have treated that bullet 363 00:16:34,957 --> 00:16:37,835 as absolutely foundational to this case. 364 00:16:38,002 --> 00:16:39,753 How important is chain of custody 365 00:16:39,753 --> 00:16:41,755 in a legal proceeding? 366 00:16:41,755 --> 00:16:43,674 Chain of custody basically refers to 367 00:16:43,674 --> 00:16:45,259 the integrity of evidence. 368 00:16:45,259 --> 00:16:47,052 If I, uh, pick up a piece of evidence 369 00:16:47,052 --> 00:16:49,430 and I transfer it to somebody else 370 00:16:49,597 --> 00:16:51,223 for holding or processing, 371 00:16:51,223 --> 00:16:53,851 my name is the first name on this list. 372 00:16:53,851 --> 00:16:55,269 The second person who touches this 373 00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:57,396 and takes possession of it is next. 374 00:16:57,396 --> 00:17:00,107 And if you don't do that, there's no way to prove 375 00:17:00,107 --> 00:17:02,026 that the evidence you collected on day one 376 00:17:02,026 --> 00:17:04,904 is the same one you get on day 25 when you go to court. 377 00:17:04,904 --> 00:17:06,739 Can you walk us through 378 00:17:06,739 --> 00:17:09,116 the magic bullet's chain of custody 379 00:17:09,283 --> 00:17:14,580 from the Parkland employees to the Secret Service to the FBI? 380 00:17:14,580 --> 00:17:17,750 Well, the magic bullet was supposedly found on a stretcher 381 00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:18,876 at Parkland Hospital, 382 00:17:19,043 --> 00:17:20,878 and went through several hands 383 00:17:21,045 --> 00:17:24,548 before it got to the Secret Service. 384 00:17:24,548 --> 00:17:27,343 Richard Johnsen was the first Secret Service agent 385 00:17:27,343 --> 00:17:31,180 to handle it, and he carried it back to Washington, D.C. 386 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:33,307 When he got back to Washington, D.C., 387 00:17:33,474 --> 00:17:35,726 he gave it to the chief of the Secret Service, 388 00:17:35,726 --> 00:17:37,811 who was James Rowley. 389 00:17:39,313 --> 00:17:41,690 And at the White House, James Rowley 390 00:17:41,857 --> 00:17:45,152 gave it to Elmer Lee Todd, 391 00:17:45,152 --> 00:17:46,904 and Todd then took it to the FBI lab 392 00:17:46,904 --> 00:17:50,157 and gave it to Robert Frazier. 393 00:17:50,157 --> 00:17:54,161 We have interesting information produced by John Hunt, 394 00:17:54,161 --> 00:17:56,539 a private citizen who went to the archives 395 00:17:56,539 --> 00:17:58,290 on four or five occasions 396 00:17:58,290 --> 00:18:02,336 to track down the story about the magic bullet, 397 00:18:02,336 --> 00:18:04,797 and what he found was truly astounding. 398 00:18:04,797 --> 00:18:07,132 He practically moved into 399 00:18:07,132 --> 00:18:09,635 the National Archives in Washington, D.C. 400 00:18:09,635 --> 00:18:11,804 They allowed him to set up a desk 401 00:18:11,804 --> 00:18:15,057 with a computer and his own scanner. 402 00:18:15,057 --> 00:18:18,477 And he also, uh, did something different. 403 00:18:18,477 --> 00:18:21,855 He didn't interview policemen and FBI people, 404 00:18:21,855 --> 00:18:24,650 and he wasn't swayed by their excuses. 405 00:18:24,650 --> 00:18:26,402 He went straight to, 406 00:18:26,402 --> 00:18:30,197 "This is what you told and you signed your name." 407 00:18:30,197 --> 00:18:32,241 [Goldberg] Working with the FBI 408 00:18:32,241 --> 00:18:33,993 and Warren Commission documents, 409 00:18:33,993 --> 00:18:36,996 John Hunt asked the most basic question. 410 00:18:36,996 --> 00:18:40,374 "Was CE-399 in evidence 411 00:18:40,374 --> 00:18:43,669 the same bullet that was found on the stretcher?" 412 00:18:44,587 --> 00:18:46,922 At 7:30 at night, 413 00:18:46,922 --> 00:18:48,799 this is the day of the assassination, 414 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:51,093 November 22nd, 1963, 415 00:18:51,093 --> 00:18:54,221 a bullet appears in the record, 416 00:18:54,221 --> 00:18:58,225 and it's signed for by Robert Frazier, 417 00:18:58,225 --> 00:19:01,186 who is the main investigator at the FBI lab. 418 00:19:02,271 --> 00:19:04,064 And it's not just one document. 419 00:19:04,231 --> 00:19:06,650 There are multiple documents that indicate 420 00:19:06,650 --> 00:19:12,281 that Frazier signed for a bullet at 7:30 that night. 421 00:19:12,281 --> 00:19:14,700 Now, here's where things get interesting. 422 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:18,662 Elmer Lee Todd received the bullet at the White House 423 00:19:18,662 --> 00:19:23,500 from chief of the Secret Service, James Rowley. 424 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:27,880 And Todd documents, very clearly in writing, 425 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,509 that he got this bullet at 8:50 p.m. 426 00:19:32,509 --> 00:19:33,594 How is that possible? 427 00:19:33,594 --> 00:19:36,221 How can Robert Frazier receive the bullet 428 00:19:36,221 --> 00:19:40,225 in the lab at 7:30 from Elmer Lee Todd, 429 00:19:40,225 --> 00:19:43,312 when Todd didn't get the bullet until 8:50? 430 00:19:43,479 --> 00:19:47,358 You would think that they would have handled it, uh, you know, 431 00:19:47,358 --> 00:19:49,652 like it would have been gold going to the bank. 432 00:19:49,652 --> 00:19:51,320 There it is in the record, 433 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,657 someone is lying about when they got the bullet. 434 00:19:54,823 --> 00:19:55,908 [David Mantik] It gets worse, though. 435 00:19:55,908 --> 00:19:57,660 Todd initialed that bullet, 436 00:19:57,660 --> 00:20:01,914 the one that he got at 8:50, 437 00:20:01,914 --> 00:20:04,083 and everyone else who touched the bullet 438 00:20:04,083 --> 00:20:06,085 after that initialed it too, 439 00:20:06,085 --> 00:20:07,461 including Robert Frazier. 440 00:20:07,461 --> 00:20:10,297 I went to the archives to look at this bullet. 441 00:20:10,297 --> 00:20:12,466 And specifically, what we want to know is, 442 00:20:12,466 --> 00:20:15,719 do we see Todd's initials on this bullet? 443 00:20:15,719 --> 00:20:17,971 He said he initialed the bullet. 444 00:20:17,971 --> 00:20:20,349 It is not there. 445 00:20:20,349 --> 00:20:23,185 Todd's initials are not on the magic bullet. 446 00:20:25,229 --> 00:20:27,856 I was very interested in finding out what the Review Board 447 00:20:27,856 --> 00:20:29,274 would show us about this. 448 00:20:29,441 --> 00:20:32,486 So, we began scouring their evidence, 449 00:20:32,486 --> 00:20:34,697 and we found out something very interesting. 450 00:20:34,697 --> 00:20:36,699 We found out that the Warren Report 451 00:20:36,699 --> 00:20:38,283 had from an FBI report 452 00:20:38,283 --> 00:20:40,327 saying that the guys that found the bullet 453 00:20:40,327 --> 00:20:42,496 later identified that as the bullet they'd seen. 454 00:20:42,496 --> 00:20:44,039 The internal record didn't show that at all. 455 00:20:44,206 --> 00:20:46,333 The internal records said this bullet 456 00:20:46,333 --> 00:20:47,876 didn't look like that bullet at all. 457 00:20:48,043 --> 00:20:50,504 But the FBI had reported to the Warren Commission that it did. 458 00:20:50,504 --> 00:20:51,296 They'd lied. 459 00:20:51,296 --> 00:20:53,298 We then talk to the FBI agent 460 00:20:53,298 --> 00:20:55,259 that was supposed to have carried that bullet around. 461 00:20:55,259 --> 00:20:57,136 His name was Bardwell Odum. 462 00:20:57,136 --> 00:20:58,929 I got Bardwell Odum on the phone. 463 00:20:58,929 --> 00:21:02,307 I sent him the documents that said that he had done this. 464 00:21:02,307 --> 00:21:04,017 He said, "I never had that bullet. 465 00:21:04,017 --> 00:21:05,686 I never showed any bullet to anyone. 466 00:21:05,686 --> 00:21:07,354 "If I'd had the bullet, there'd be a 302. 467 00:21:07,521 --> 00:21:09,648 "I would have filed a report, particularly in that area. 468 00:21:09,648 --> 00:21:12,025 Everybody was very uptight about getting everything right." 469 00:21:12,025 --> 00:21:13,902 So, we scoured for 302 reports. 470 00:21:14,069 --> 00:21:16,196 His name appears nowhere in the record. 471 00:21:16,196 --> 00:21:18,157 This is just something that the FBI invented. 472 00:21:18,157 --> 00:21:20,826 It's conceivable that some mysterious bullet 473 00:21:20,826 --> 00:21:22,369 showed up from who knows where. 474 00:21:23,662 --> 00:21:25,164 Todd did not initial it, 475 00:21:25,330 --> 00:21:29,501 and it ended up in the FBI lab as the magic bullet. 476 00:21:29,501 --> 00:21:32,629 One can only surmise that, somewhere in the FBI, 477 00:21:32,629 --> 00:21:35,132 they realized they had to close the loop on Oswald's guilt. 478 00:21:35,299 --> 00:21:37,176 And so they just switched it out. 479 00:21:37,176 --> 00:21:40,053 Because none of the four people, 480 00:21:40,053 --> 00:21:42,097 either the guys at Parkland, 481 00:21:42,097 --> 00:21:43,140 or the two Secret Service agents, 482 00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:44,683 could identify the bullet. 483 00:21:44,683 --> 00:21:46,560 The guy who is supposed to have gotten confirmation that 484 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,980 they did identify the bullet said he never did it. 485 00:21:49,980 --> 00:21:51,148 And the record supports that. 486 00:21:51,315 --> 00:21:53,525 So, there's-- there's good reason to be 487 00:21:53,525 --> 00:21:56,403 very suspicious about the magic bullet. 488 00:21:56,403 --> 00:22:01,825 The chain of custody doesn't start from the laboratory. 489 00:22:01,825 --> 00:22:04,453 It starts from the crime scene. 490 00:22:04,453 --> 00:22:07,039 Each piece of evidence should be photographed, 491 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:11,168 documented, and preserved properly. 492 00:22:12,419 --> 00:22:14,213 From the scene, 493 00:22:14,213 --> 00:22:18,091 evidence is collected, sent to the laboratory. 494 00:22:18,091 --> 00:22:20,886 We have to keep the chain of custody 495 00:22:20,886 --> 00:22:22,137 when they enter the lab. 496 00:22:22,137 --> 00:22:23,472 Who examined? 497 00:22:24,807 --> 00:22:27,267 Who did the further analysis? 498 00:22:27,267 --> 00:22:31,021 And each step have to maintain 499 00:22:31,021 --> 00:22:33,774 until you submit to the court. 500 00:22:33,774 --> 00:22:35,067 If this chain broke, 501 00:22:36,443 --> 00:22:39,446 then my evidence becomes inadmissible. 502 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,033 [Goldberg] The other problem 503 00:22:43,033 --> 00:22:44,868 is the lack of damage to the bullet 504 00:22:44,868 --> 00:22:48,747 after going through two men, smashing two bones, 505 00:22:48,747 --> 00:22:50,624 and making seven wounds. 506 00:22:50,791 --> 00:22:52,668 Dr. Joseph Dolce 507 00:22:52,668 --> 00:22:56,672 was a much-honored battlefield surgeon during World War II. 508 00:22:56,672 --> 00:22:58,841 He worked for the Warren Commission. 509 00:22:59,007 --> 00:23:03,345 And so they gave us the original rifle, the Mannlicher-Carcano, 510 00:23:03,345 --> 00:23:07,391 plus 100 bullets, 6.5 millimeters. 511 00:23:07,391 --> 00:23:10,769 And we went and we shot the cadaver wrists, 512 00:23:10,769 --> 00:23:13,355 and in every instance, 513 00:23:13,355 --> 00:23:17,317 the front or the tip of the bullet was smashed. 514 00:23:17,317 --> 00:23:19,069 Under no circumstances, 515 00:23:19,236 --> 00:23:21,780 do I feel that this bullet could hit the wrist, 516 00:23:21,780 --> 00:23:23,407 and still not be deformed. 517 00:23:23,407 --> 00:23:25,117 [Goldberg] Dolce came to believe 518 00:23:25,117 --> 00:23:28,036 that two bullets had struck Connally. 519 00:23:28,036 --> 00:23:30,330 Since Arlen Specter pre-screened 520 00:23:30,330 --> 00:23:32,082 the medical witnesses for the commission, 521 00:23:32,249 --> 00:23:35,127 Dolce's name is not in the Warren Report, 522 00:23:35,294 --> 00:23:38,422 and his testimony is not in the volumes. 523 00:23:38,422 --> 00:23:40,674 And even Connally refused to accept 524 00:23:40,841 --> 00:23:42,467 the single-bullet theory. 525 00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:47,723 [reporter] Former Senator John Sherman Cooper 526 00:23:47,890 --> 00:23:49,933 is the first member of the Warren Commission 527 00:23:49,933 --> 00:23:51,977 to agree to talk on television 528 00:23:51,977 --> 00:23:55,355 about what went on inside the deliberations. 529 00:23:55,355 --> 00:23:57,316 Yes, there were disagreements. 530 00:23:57,316 --> 00:24:00,027 I think the most serious one 531 00:24:00,027 --> 00:24:03,655 that comes to me the most vividly, 532 00:24:03,655 --> 00:24:07,159 of course, is the question of whether or not the first shot 533 00:24:07,326 --> 00:24:09,161 went through President Kennedy 534 00:24:09,161 --> 00:24:11,705 and then through Governor Connally. 535 00:24:11,705 --> 00:24:13,373 [Goldberg] Although it never specified 536 00:24:13,373 --> 00:24:15,500 the order of the shots, 537 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:18,462 the Warren Report had one bullet 538 00:24:18,462 --> 00:24:21,006 going through Kennedy and Governor Connally, 539 00:24:21,006 --> 00:24:22,591 another missing the car, 540 00:24:22,758 --> 00:24:26,386 hitting a bystander on Commerce Street, James Tague, 541 00:24:26,386 --> 00:24:29,097 and the final shot hitting Kennedy in the head. 542 00:24:30,182 --> 00:24:32,434 I could not convince myself 543 00:24:32,434 --> 00:24:35,854 that the same bullet struck both of them, although... 544 00:24:35,854 --> 00:24:39,024 [reporter] You mean that you yourself didn't-- 545 00:24:39,024 --> 00:24:40,817 Weren't convinced about the single-bullet theory, which... 546 00:24:40,817 --> 00:24:43,487 No, I wasn't convinced by it. Neither was Senator Russell. 547 00:24:43,487 --> 00:24:45,614 [Goldberg] Senator Richard Russell of Georgia 548 00:24:45,614 --> 00:24:48,408 did not want to serve on the commission. 549 00:24:48,408 --> 00:24:50,494 After he attended the first meeting, 550 00:24:50,494 --> 00:24:53,789 he quickly became disenchanted with the proceedings. 551 00:24:53,789 --> 00:24:56,792 Particularly the roles of J. Edgar Hoover 552 00:24:56,792 --> 00:25:00,629 and acting attorney general Nicholas Katzenbach. 553 00:25:00,629 --> 00:25:03,840 His personal papers at the University of Georgia Library 554 00:25:04,007 --> 00:25:05,592 contain a memo 555 00:25:05,592 --> 00:25:09,471 written after the initial December 5th, 1963, 556 00:25:09,471 --> 00:25:11,473 executive session. 557 00:25:11,473 --> 00:25:13,934 "Something strange is happening. 558 00:25:13,934 --> 00:25:17,145 "Warren and Katzenbach know all about the FBI 559 00:25:17,145 --> 00:25:19,898 "and are apparently planning to show Oswald 560 00:25:19,898 --> 00:25:22,275 "as the only one considered. 561 00:25:22,275 --> 00:25:26,113 This to me is an untenable position." 562 00:25:26,113 --> 00:25:29,157 His papers revealed that he wrote a dissenting opinion 563 00:25:29,157 --> 00:25:31,451 for the presentation at the final 564 00:25:31,451 --> 00:25:34,246 commission meeting of September 18th. 565 00:25:34,246 --> 00:25:36,957 On that day, he shared his concerns 566 00:25:36,957 --> 00:25:38,417 with President Johnson. 567 00:26:17,372 --> 00:26:21,168 [Goldberg] He also thought that Oswald did not act alone. 568 00:26:21,168 --> 00:26:23,962 Russell was strongly influenced by the Zapruder film 569 00:26:24,129 --> 00:26:26,965 and by the testimony of Governor Connally. 570 00:26:26,965 --> 00:26:28,759 I understand there's some, uh, 571 00:26:28,925 --> 00:26:31,136 some question in the minds of the experts 572 00:26:31,303 --> 00:26:33,346 about, uh, whether or not 573 00:26:33,346 --> 00:26:35,849 we could both have been hit by the same bullet, 574 00:26:35,849 --> 00:26:37,476 and that was the first bullet. 575 00:26:37,476 --> 00:26:39,936 Uh, I just don't happen to believe that. 576 00:26:40,103 --> 00:26:42,230 I don't believe that I will believe it. 577 00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:44,107 [Goldberg] This forced the other commissioners 578 00:26:44,107 --> 00:26:46,777 to include Connally's dissent in the report. 579 00:26:46,777 --> 00:26:50,113 And as a result, they could not absolutely deny 580 00:26:50,113 --> 00:26:53,742 the possibility of a conspiracy. 581 00:26:53,742 --> 00:26:55,535 Russell became the first commissioner 582 00:26:55,702 --> 00:26:58,747 to criticize the Warren Report in public. 583 00:26:58,747 --> 00:27:00,582 He was followed by commission members 584 00:27:00,582 --> 00:27:04,961 John Sherman Cooper and Hale Boggs. 585 00:27:04,961 --> 00:27:08,465 But then Walter Cronkite interviewed John McCloy 586 00:27:08,465 --> 00:27:12,219 during a four-night special, co-hosted by Dan Rather. 587 00:27:12,385 --> 00:27:15,263 Are you satisfied that as much effort 588 00:27:15,263 --> 00:27:19,643 was put into challenging that case as into establishing it? 589 00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:21,061 I'll answer that in just a moment. 590 00:27:21,061 --> 00:27:22,854 If I may just say one thing, I would-- 591 00:27:23,021 --> 00:27:24,147 I'd like to say in the first place, 592 00:27:24,147 --> 00:27:25,774 I had some questions 593 00:27:25,774 --> 00:27:27,818 as to the propriety of my appearing here 594 00:27:27,984 --> 00:27:30,153 as a former member of the commission 595 00:27:30,153 --> 00:27:32,447 to comment on the evidence of the commission. 596 00:27:32,447 --> 00:27:35,742 [Goldberg] McCloy never answered Cronkite's question. 597 00:27:35,951 --> 00:27:39,037 But even worse, CBS employee Roger Feinman 598 00:27:39,246 --> 00:27:41,665 later discovered internal documents 599 00:27:41,665 --> 00:27:43,834 showing McCoy consulted extensively 600 00:27:43,834 --> 00:27:46,253 on the series through his daughter, Ellen, 601 00:27:46,419 --> 00:27:51,007 an administrative assistant to CBS President Richard Salant. 602 00:27:51,174 --> 00:27:54,761 In 1992, reporter Jerry Policoff 603 00:27:54,761 --> 00:27:57,681 confronted Salant and Ellen McCoy 604 00:27:57,681 --> 00:28:01,143 with the documents revealing John McCloy's instructions 605 00:28:01,143 --> 00:28:03,353 for the content of the show. 606 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,357 Only then did Salant admit to their concealment. 607 00:28:07,357 --> 00:28:10,235 CBS, NBC, and The New York Times 608 00:28:10,235 --> 00:28:12,988 continued to support the commission's finding 609 00:28:12,988 --> 00:28:14,698 and never publicly reviewed 610 00:28:14,865 --> 00:28:19,369 the 26 volumes of supplemental evidence. 611 00:28:19,369 --> 00:28:22,122 Mr. Dulles, let me put some of the criticisms to you. 612 00:28:22,122 --> 00:28:23,415 Surely. 613 00:28:23,415 --> 00:28:25,333 Some of the papers and some of the documents 614 00:28:25,333 --> 00:28:27,836 that are in the archives are-- are there 615 00:28:27,836 --> 00:28:31,464 but are withheld from public view by the FBI, the CIA, 616 00:28:31,464 --> 00:28:34,176 an organization with which you have some experience. 617 00:28:34,176 --> 00:28:36,928 Is there anything in those which years from now 618 00:28:36,928 --> 00:28:39,139 when they may be released will upset applecarts? 619 00:28:39,139 --> 00:28:40,640 Oh, no, I don't think so. 620 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,727 No, I think everything that really is-- is vital 621 00:28:43,727 --> 00:28:45,770 insofar as forming a judgment as to what 622 00:28:45,770 --> 00:28:48,481 really happened has been made available. 623 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:53,195 [Goldberg] The Warren Commission was aware 624 00:28:53,195 --> 00:28:55,947 of something else that was wrong with their evidence. 625 00:28:55,947 --> 00:28:59,159 All kinds of ballistic tests show that the bullets, in fact, 626 00:28:59,159 --> 00:29:01,578 came from that rifle. That was his rifle. 627 00:29:01,745 --> 00:29:03,580 You took a picture of him with it. 628 00:29:03,747 --> 00:29:05,498 -No, no. -His home prints and fingerprints 629 00:29:05,498 --> 00:29:07,584 are all over the School Book Depository. 630 00:29:07,751 --> 00:29:09,377 [Marina Porter] You have been misinformed. 631 00:29:09,377 --> 00:29:14,007 The ballistics tests did not prove anything at all. 632 00:29:14,007 --> 00:29:16,218 [reporter] This is the weapon that was used. 633 00:29:16,218 --> 00:29:19,846 A rather well-worn military rifle. 634 00:29:19,846 --> 00:29:24,434 We know that Oswald had possession of that rifle 635 00:29:24,434 --> 00:29:26,269 because we have him photographed with it. 636 00:29:26,269 --> 00:29:30,106 And we have his wife saying that it was, quote, 637 00:29:30,106 --> 00:29:32,400 "Faithful rifle of Lee Oswald." 638 00:29:33,902 --> 00:29:35,987 [Stone] Is the rifle in evidence today 639 00:29:36,154 --> 00:29:37,781 the same rifle the commission said 640 00:29:37,781 --> 00:29:39,783 Oswald ordered through the mail? 641 00:29:39,783 --> 00:29:41,826 The rifle that Lee Oswald 642 00:29:41,826 --> 00:29:45,622 allegedly ordered under an alias of Alex Hidell, 643 00:29:45,622 --> 00:29:48,041 was obtained through Klein's Sporting Goods store in Chicago. 644 00:29:48,041 --> 00:29:51,920 It was a mail-order, got it out of American Rifleman magazine. 645 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,256 He wrote on the coupon he wanted 646 00:29:54,256 --> 00:29:56,383 a 36-inch model, Mannlicher-Carcano, 647 00:29:56,549 --> 00:30:00,845 6.5 millimeter, for $19.95. 648 00:30:00,845 --> 00:30:03,139 Robert Frazier was one of the examiners 649 00:30:03,139 --> 00:30:05,350 and he was a firearms expert for the FBI. 650 00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:07,644 And he testified that he did measure it, 651 00:30:07,644 --> 00:30:08,645 and the measurement 652 00:30:08,645 --> 00:30:10,814 was 40.2 inches in length, 653 00:30:10,814 --> 00:30:12,482 from barrel to stock. 654 00:30:12,482 --> 00:30:14,818 There's a 4.2-inch difference in the one he ordered, 655 00:30:14,818 --> 00:30:17,988 versus what they found in the Book Depository. 656 00:30:17,988 --> 00:30:20,615 [Goldberg] Klein's may have indeed delivered 657 00:30:20,615 --> 00:30:24,035 a different Mannlicher-Carcano model to Oswald, 658 00:30:24,035 --> 00:30:27,163 but there are other anomalies to the story. 659 00:30:27,163 --> 00:30:29,374 The model that Oswald ordered 660 00:30:29,374 --> 00:30:31,835 showed these strap attachment points 661 00:30:31,835 --> 00:30:34,212 on the bottom of the barrel and stock. 662 00:30:34,379 --> 00:30:36,631 [Brian Edwards] In the photograph is Lieutenant Carl Day, 663 00:30:36,631 --> 00:30:38,049 with the Dallas Police Department 664 00:30:38,049 --> 00:30:40,427 bringing a rifle out of the Book Depository. 665 00:30:40,593 --> 00:30:43,805 One of the straps at the back of the gun is on the left side 666 00:30:43,972 --> 00:30:47,017 of the stock embedded in the stock. 667 00:30:47,017 --> 00:30:49,019 That's clearly not the rifle that was ordered, 668 00:30:49,019 --> 00:30:52,022 or at least appears in the Klein' Sporting Goods store. 669 00:30:52,188 --> 00:30:55,233 [Goldberg] The straps shown in the so-called backyard photos 670 00:30:55,233 --> 00:30:59,404 are on the bottom and not on the side of the stock. 671 00:30:59,404 --> 00:31:03,700 Marina Oswald took backyard photographs of Lee Oswald 672 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:06,911 holding a rifle and a pistol on his hip. 673 00:31:06,911 --> 00:31:10,498 And in that first photograph, that she took three of, 674 00:31:10,498 --> 00:31:16,129 Commission Exhibit 133A and 133B 675 00:31:16,129 --> 00:31:21,176 show a ring on the ring finger of the right hand. 676 00:31:21,176 --> 00:31:25,722 133C, the ring appears on the left hand. 677 00:31:25,722 --> 00:31:28,308 In fact, the Dallas Police showed Lee Oswald 678 00:31:28,308 --> 00:31:30,727 one of the pictures while he was still in custody. 679 00:31:30,727 --> 00:31:32,520 He said, "That's my face, but I don't remember 680 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,565 ever having that picture taken of me." 681 00:31:35,565 --> 00:31:37,859 [Goldberg] But after all these questions are asked, 682 00:31:37,859 --> 00:31:40,236 the underlying mystery remains. 683 00:31:40,403 --> 00:31:44,574 Why would anyone use a rifle in an assassination, 684 00:31:44,574 --> 00:31:46,659 knowing there was a paper trail 685 00:31:46,659 --> 00:31:50,080 that would lead right back to them? 686 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,083 Was there a palm print found on the rifle? 687 00:31:53,083 --> 00:31:57,587 The foremost fingerprint expert the FBI had, Sebastian Latona, 688 00:31:57,587 --> 00:32:01,257 took that rifle and attempted to lift prints off of the rifle, 689 00:32:01,257 --> 00:32:03,176 the stock and/or the barrel. 690 00:32:03,176 --> 00:32:04,928 Uh, he testified to the Warren Commission 691 00:32:04,928 --> 00:32:07,764 that he found no usable prints 692 00:32:07,764 --> 00:32:11,559 anywhere on that rifle, on the metal or the stock. 693 00:32:11,726 --> 00:32:14,646 But yet, Lieutenant Day in Dallas 694 00:32:14,646 --> 00:32:17,607 before the rifle went to Washington, said he found 695 00:32:17,607 --> 00:32:20,360 a partial palm print on the trigger guard on the left side 696 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,114 and a partial print underneath the stock on the barrel. 697 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,574 But Sebastian Latona said there was no evidence 698 00:32:26,574 --> 00:32:27,951 that a lift had even been attempted. 699 00:32:27,951 --> 00:32:29,786 [Stone] No partials at all? 700 00:32:29,786 --> 00:32:31,246 Nothing that he could use in court. 701 00:32:31,246 --> 00:32:33,748 There has to be eight points of identification. 702 00:32:33,915 --> 00:32:36,751 He found nothing that would match that. 703 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,212 [woman on recorder] J. Edgar Hoover, on 2192. 704 00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:43,216 [Hoover] Yes, I've seen the reports 705 00:32:43,425 --> 00:32:45,218 on this investigation. 706 00:32:45,218 --> 00:32:48,555 This man, Oswald, he had fired three shots. 707 00:32:48,555 --> 00:32:50,723 He then threw the gun aside, 708 00:32:50,723 --> 00:32:56,980 and, uh, he apparently had come down the five flights of steps. 709 00:32:57,147 --> 00:32:59,774 A stairway from the fifth floor. 710 00:32:59,774 --> 00:33:01,484 [Johnson] You can prove that? 711 00:33:01,484 --> 00:33:03,820 [Hoover] Oh, yes. Oh, yes, we can prove that. 712 00:33:03,820 --> 00:33:06,614 [Johnson] Did anybody hear, anybody see him? 713 00:33:06,781 --> 00:33:09,617 [Hoover] Most of the employees were down on a lower floor, but 714 00:33:09,617 --> 00:33:13,413 he was stopped at the second floor by a police officer. 715 00:33:13,413 --> 00:33:16,458 And some workers, some manager in the building 716 00:33:16,458 --> 00:33:18,418 told the police officer, "Well, he's all right, he works here. 717 00:33:18,585 --> 00:33:20,086 You needn't hold him." 718 00:33:20,086 --> 00:33:22,589 So they let him go. That's how he got out. 719 00:33:22,589 --> 00:33:24,674 [Marrion Baker] At the time that I heard those shots, 720 00:33:24,674 --> 00:33:28,553 I ran into that building and made it up to the second floor. 721 00:33:28,553 --> 00:33:32,056 It was approximately a minute and a half to two minutes. 722 00:33:32,056 --> 00:33:34,476 [Cronkite] In possibly less than two minutes, 723 00:33:34,476 --> 00:33:37,061 investigators came to the School Book Building 724 00:33:37,228 --> 00:33:39,606 with stopwatches and critical eyes. 725 00:33:39,606 --> 00:33:42,484 Not only police and government agents traced that route, 726 00:33:42,484 --> 00:33:44,819 Chief Justice Warren and some other commission members 727 00:33:44,819 --> 00:33:46,154 did it for themselves. 728 00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:50,074 I was interested in finding 729 00:33:50,074 --> 00:33:52,577 a specific witness to the assassination, 730 00:33:52,744 --> 00:33:54,787 which was Victoria Adams. 731 00:33:56,414 --> 00:33:58,124 She worked on the fourth floor 732 00:33:58,124 --> 00:34:00,418 of the Texas School Book Depository, 733 00:34:00,585 --> 00:34:02,921 and she knew Oswald. 734 00:34:03,087 --> 00:34:05,131 I went to the National Archives 735 00:34:05,131 --> 00:34:09,552 searching for her original testimony. 736 00:34:09,552 --> 00:34:11,137 I was told that the tape 737 00:34:11,137 --> 00:34:14,265 containing her testimony was missing. 738 00:34:14,265 --> 00:34:16,559 And later I learned that that tape 739 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,979 had been destroyed by the Warren Commission. 740 00:34:19,979 --> 00:34:21,898 And so I finally ended up finding her 741 00:34:22,065 --> 00:34:25,318 and getting her side of the story. 742 00:34:25,318 --> 00:34:28,947 Vicki Adams was 22 at the time of the assassination, 743 00:34:28,947 --> 00:34:30,698 and she testified that immediately 744 00:34:30,698 --> 00:34:33,743 after the assassination, 745 00:34:33,743 --> 00:34:35,703 she ran down the back stairs 746 00:34:35,870 --> 00:34:37,872 to get outside to see what was going on. 747 00:34:38,748 --> 00:34:40,375 If that were true, 748 00:34:40,375 --> 00:34:44,420 she would have seen Oswald on the back stairs. 749 00:34:44,420 --> 00:34:47,048 But she testified that she saw and heard no one. 750 00:34:48,508 --> 00:34:50,927 She had realized that something was wrong, 751 00:34:51,094 --> 00:34:52,971 because no one was believing her. 752 00:34:52,971 --> 00:34:56,558 So she asked David Belin, who was questioning her, 753 00:34:56,558 --> 00:34:58,560 "Interview Sandra Styles, 754 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,063 a coworker who went down the stairs with me." 755 00:35:02,063 --> 00:35:04,524 This became a rather serious problem 756 00:35:04,524 --> 00:35:06,192 for the Warren Commission, 757 00:35:06,359 --> 00:35:11,823 because discrediting one woman was easy to do. 758 00:35:11,823 --> 00:35:14,993 But discrediting a corroborating witness, 759 00:35:14,993 --> 00:35:17,203 that may have been a little bit tougher. 760 00:35:17,203 --> 00:35:21,165 So Belin said, "We don't need Sandra Styles, 761 00:35:21,165 --> 00:35:22,083 we have you." 762 00:35:23,126 --> 00:35:24,419 [man] We've had Mr. Belin here 763 00:35:24,419 --> 00:35:26,045 with us too, one of our counselors 764 00:35:26,045 --> 00:35:28,006 who's been here several times, and... 765 00:35:28,006 --> 00:35:31,593 He knows this city now as very few people do. 766 00:35:31,801 --> 00:35:33,803 [Barry Ernest] According to Vioki's original 767 00:35:34,012 --> 00:35:38,057 FBI testimony she left the window on the fourth floor 768 00:35:38,266 --> 00:35:41,603 within 15 to 30 seconds of the assassination. 769 00:35:41,603 --> 00:35:45,148 The Warren Commission elevated that time to one minute. 770 00:35:45,148 --> 00:35:47,817 She said she arrived on the first floor 771 00:35:47,817 --> 00:35:50,361 within 60 seconds of the assassination. 772 00:35:50,528 --> 00:35:54,824 The Warren Commission elevated that time to several minutes. 773 00:35:54,824 --> 00:35:56,951 So what the Warren Commission did 774 00:35:57,118 --> 00:35:59,662 was successfully deceive the public 775 00:35:59,662 --> 00:36:03,458 into thinking that Vicki was just another confused witness. 776 00:36:03,458 --> 00:36:04,792 Case closed. 777 00:36:04,792 --> 00:36:06,085 Reenactments prove, 778 00:36:06,252 --> 00:36:08,713 the report says, that Oswald did have time, 779 00:36:08,713 --> 00:36:11,883 just enough time to fire the shots, secret the rifle, 780 00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:14,218 and get down to the second floor cafeteria. 781 00:36:16,262 --> 00:36:22,101 But in 1999, I found a document in the National Archives 782 00:36:22,101 --> 00:36:25,855 that had been suppressed for 35 years. 783 00:36:25,855 --> 00:36:28,441 It was a letter written 784 00:36:28,441 --> 00:36:32,278 by Assistant US Attorney Martha Jo Stroud. 785 00:36:32,278 --> 00:36:35,281 It was a transmittal letter forwarding 786 00:36:35,448 --> 00:36:38,576 Vicki's signed testimony to J. Lee Rankin, 787 00:36:38,576 --> 00:36:40,953 the head honcho of the Warren Commission's 788 00:36:40,953 --> 00:36:43,498 investigation at that point. 789 00:36:43,498 --> 00:36:45,917 In the last paragraph of that letter, 790 00:36:45,917 --> 00:36:47,794 almost as an afterthought, 791 00:36:47,794 --> 00:36:52,048 we're introduced to a woman by the name of Dorothy Garner. 792 00:36:52,215 --> 00:36:56,052 Garner was Vicki's immediate supervisor 793 00:36:56,219 --> 00:36:59,305 who had stood at the window with Vicki. 794 00:36:59,305 --> 00:37:02,892 The letter quotes Garner as saying that she saw 795 00:37:02,892 --> 00:37:04,560 Vicki go down the stairs 796 00:37:04,727 --> 00:37:10,650 before she saw Officer Baker and Roy Truly come up. 797 00:37:10,650 --> 00:37:13,945 When I found and interviewed Dorothy Garner, 798 00:37:13,945 --> 00:37:15,738 she confirmed everything. 799 00:37:15,905 --> 00:37:18,533 She said that she had been at the window with Vicki, 800 00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:22,370 that Vicki had left the window immediately, 801 00:37:22,537 --> 00:37:26,624 that she actually followed Vicki outside the office 802 00:37:26,624 --> 00:37:30,461 and to a point where she could see her going down the stairs. 803 00:37:30,461 --> 00:37:33,881 And during that whole time, she never saw Oswald. 804 00:37:33,881 --> 00:37:37,552 So the Stroud letter became a very dangerous document 805 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,886 for the Warren Commission. 806 00:37:40,263 --> 00:37:42,390 [Goldberg] Without the Review Board's 807 00:37:42,598 --> 00:37:43,891 declassification process, 808 00:37:43,891 --> 00:37:47,603 we would never have learned of the corroborating testimony 809 00:37:47,603 --> 00:37:51,482 of three witnesses that provide powerful evidence 810 00:37:51,482 --> 00:37:53,943 that Oswald was not on the sixth floor 811 00:37:53,943 --> 00:37:56,279 at the time of the shooting. 812 00:38:07,874 --> 00:38:12,253 Legally speaking, the autopsy should have been done in Dallas, 813 00:38:12,253 --> 00:38:15,214 and there was a forensic pathologist, Earl Rose. 814 00:38:15,381 --> 00:38:17,717 He was there to assume jurisdiction 815 00:38:17,717 --> 00:38:20,094 and to do the autopsy. 816 00:38:20,094 --> 00:38:22,054 He was pushed up against the wall 817 00:38:22,054 --> 00:38:24,223 and threatened, hands on guns, 818 00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:26,267 a lot of expletives and so on. 819 00:38:26,267 --> 00:38:28,060 He followed them out of the driveway, 820 00:38:28,227 --> 00:38:31,522 and they took the body illegally out of Dallas 821 00:38:31,522 --> 00:38:34,025 in violation of the laws in the state of Texas. 822 00:38:35,443 --> 00:38:37,028 [Goldberg] After Air Force One 823 00:38:37,028 --> 00:38:38,738 left Dallas for Washington, 824 00:38:38,738 --> 00:38:42,033 two of the key doctors who had tried to save Kennedy's life 825 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,369 at Parkland Hospital, held a press conference. 826 00:38:45,369 --> 00:38:49,290 They were Dr. Malcolm Perry and Dr. Kemp Clark. 827 00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:51,667 When were the two major points of evidence 828 00:38:51,667 --> 00:38:53,127 revealed by Kemp Clark and Malcolm Perry 829 00:38:53,127 --> 00:38:55,087 at the press conference? 830 00:38:55,087 --> 00:38:57,006 Dr. Perry performed the tracheotomy 831 00:38:57,006 --> 00:38:59,425 to help Kennedy breathe, 832 00:38:59,425 --> 00:39:01,511 and at a press conference right after 833 00:39:01,677 --> 00:39:04,514 the failed resuscitation efforts in Dallas, 834 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,390 he was asked, "Well, where was the bullet?" 835 00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:08,267 He said, "The bullet looked like it was coming at him. 836 00:39:08,267 --> 00:39:09,977 He had an entrance wound in the throat." 837 00:39:10,937 --> 00:39:12,355 [Douglas Horne] Kemp Clarke 838 00:39:12,355 --> 00:39:13,773 was the head of neurosurgery at Parkland. 839 00:39:13,773 --> 00:39:16,901 He said that the President had a gaping wound 840 00:39:16,901 --> 00:39:18,528 in the occipital-parietal area. 841 00:39:18,528 --> 00:39:21,155 That's, you know, the right rear of the head. 842 00:39:21,155 --> 00:39:23,157 And so the description he gave of that 843 00:39:23,157 --> 00:39:26,118 was entirely consistent with an exit wound. 844 00:39:26,118 --> 00:39:27,286 We have a transcript today 845 00:39:27,453 --> 00:39:29,247 of what they said at the press conference. 846 00:39:29,247 --> 00:39:32,083 So it's White House transcript 1327C. 847 00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:33,918 That's a very important historical document, 848 00:39:33,918 --> 00:39:37,004 because the Secret Service confiscated the videotapes 849 00:39:37,004 --> 00:39:38,840 from the local TV stations. 850 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,760 [Goldberg] There is, however, a surviving clip of Dr. Perry 851 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,638 recorded not long after the press conference. 852 00:39:59,068 --> 00:40:01,696 [Goldberg] What Clark and Perry both revealed that day 853 00:40:01,863 --> 00:40:05,491 would indicate an assassin from the front. 854 00:40:05,658 --> 00:40:07,660 And Assistant White House Press Secretary 855 00:40:07,827 --> 00:40:10,204 Malcolm Kilduff's statement 856 00:40:10,204 --> 00:40:13,708 seems to support this conclusion. 857 00:40:13,708 --> 00:40:19,964 It's a simple matter of a bullet right through the head. 858 00:40:22,133 --> 00:40:23,634 [Goldberg] The day after the shooting, 859 00:40:23,634 --> 00:40:26,554 Dr. Perry was seen by Nurse Audrey Bell, 860 00:40:26,554 --> 00:40:28,931 who had been with him in the operating room. 861 00:40:28,931 --> 00:40:31,517 [Audrey Bell] Saturday morning, when I got over there, 862 00:40:31,684 --> 00:40:33,895 Dr. Perry came up to the office. 863 00:40:33,895 --> 00:40:35,354 I said, "You look awful. 864 00:40:35,354 --> 00:40:37,732 Did you get any sleep last night?" 865 00:40:37,899 --> 00:40:39,942 He said, "Well, not too much, 866 00:40:39,942 --> 00:40:43,696 between the calls from Bethesda that came in during the night." 867 00:40:43,696 --> 00:40:45,531 I said, "What about?" 868 00:40:45,531 --> 00:40:48,284 He said, "Oh, whether that was an entrance wound 869 00:40:48,451 --> 00:40:50,536 or an exit wound in the throat." 870 00:40:50,536 --> 00:40:52,121 He said, "They were wanting me to change my mind." 871 00:40:53,331 --> 00:40:55,333 In his Warren Commission testimony, 872 00:40:55,333 --> 00:40:58,127 he basically retracted what he had said 873 00:40:58,127 --> 00:41:00,463 and they forced him to back down 874 00:41:00,463 --> 00:41:02,590 and intimidated him on the witness stand. 875 00:41:02,757 --> 00:41:05,593 It was really quite embarrassing for me as a physician 876 00:41:05,593 --> 00:41:08,220 to see how someone else who was telling the truth 877 00:41:08,387 --> 00:41:10,848 was basically forced to recant his own opinion. 878 00:41:10,848 --> 00:41:13,517 Did it occur to you at the time or did you think, 879 00:41:13,517 --> 00:41:17,605 "Was this an entry wound or was this an exit wound?" 880 00:41:17,772 --> 00:41:20,191 Actually, I didn't really give it much thought 881 00:41:20,358 --> 00:41:22,193 and I realized that perhaps 882 00:41:22,193 --> 00:41:23,986 it would have been better had I done so. 883 00:41:23,986 --> 00:41:26,989 But I actually applied my energies, 884 00:41:26,989 --> 00:41:29,075 and those of us there all did, 885 00:41:29,075 --> 00:41:30,785 to the problem at hand. 886 00:41:30,952 --> 00:41:32,787 And I didn't really concern myself too much 887 00:41:32,787 --> 00:41:35,206 with how it happened or why. 888 00:41:35,206 --> 00:41:39,835 In 1975, Dr. Shires hired me 889 00:41:39,835 --> 00:41:43,005 on the faculty at the University of Washington 890 00:41:43,172 --> 00:41:45,049 in the cardiac surgery division. 891 00:41:45,049 --> 00:41:49,220 So I got to know Malcolm when I joined the faculty. 892 00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:51,305 We developed a professional relationship, 893 00:41:51,305 --> 00:41:55,059 and we would operate together on complex cases. 894 00:41:55,059 --> 00:42:01,107 I was particularly interested in, uh, Dr. Perry's position 895 00:42:01,107 --> 00:42:02,858 with the JFK assassination 896 00:42:02,858 --> 00:42:07,071 because he did the tracheotomy on him after he was shot. 897 00:42:07,071 --> 00:42:11,033 The problem is that Malcolm categorically refused 898 00:42:11,033 --> 00:42:14,662 to ever discuss the assassination, 899 00:42:14,662 --> 00:42:16,414 uh, and he wouldn't answer my questions 900 00:42:16,622 --> 00:42:17,707 about that neck wound. 901 00:42:17,707 --> 00:42:20,501 And then one night after we had operated together 902 00:42:20,501 --> 00:42:23,587 for many hours on a complex case, 903 00:42:23,587 --> 00:42:25,631 we were sitting in the surgeons' lounge alone, 904 00:42:25,631 --> 00:42:27,717 drinking coffee, 905 00:42:27,717 --> 00:42:31,387 and I once again asked him about that neck wound. 906 00:42:31,387 --> 00:42:37,309 And this time, he said it was an entrance wound, 907 00:42:37,309 --> 00:42:41,355 unquestionably an entrance wound. 908 00:42:41,355 --> 00:42:45,443 One of the-- the main reasons Dr. Perry changed his testimony 909 00:42:45,609 --> 00:42:48,446 and publicly agreed it was an exit wound 910 00:42:48,446 --> 00:42:52,450 is a Secret Service agent, uh, put the pressure on him, 911 00:42:52,616 --> 00:42:55,202 and that person was Elmer Moore. 912 00:42:56,454 --> 00:42:58,873 In 1970, Elmer Moore was the head 913 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,001 of the Secret Service office in Seattle 914 00:43:02,001 --> 00:43:05,379 and a graduate student named Jim Gochenaur 915 00:43:05,379 --> 00:43:07,423 became friends with him, 916 00:43:07,423 --> 00:43:09,967 and he admitted to Gochenaur that he regretted 917 00:43:09,967 --> 00:43:13,345 putting pressure on Dr. Perry. 918 00:43:13,512 --> 00:43:15,347 So I asked him directly. 919 00:43:15,514 --> 00:43:21,187 I said, "Mr. Moore, did you pressure Dr. Perry?" 920 00:43:21,187 --> 00:43:22,563 He stopped for a minute. 921 00:43:22,563 --> 00:43:24,940 He says, "Well, I was ordered to do that." 922 00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:26,358 He expanded on it. 923 00:43:26,358 --> 00:43:27,985 And he said that Inspector Kelley 924 00:43:27,985 --> 00:43:31,322 had ordered him to talk with Perry 925 00:43:31,322 --> 00:43:33,324 and, uh, convince him that it could be 926 00:43:33,324 --> 00:43:36,118 either an exit or an entry wound, 927 00:43:36,118 --> 00:43:38,662 not an entry wound. 928 00:43:38,662 --> 00:43:41,957 And I thought it was pretty interesting 929 00:43:42,124 --> 00:43:46,796 that he would admit to something that's pretty close to a felony. 930 00:43:46,796 --> 00:43:49,590 [Donald Miller] Elmer Moore was also in charge 931 00:43:49,590 --> 00:43:51,258 of getting the doctors at Parkland 932 00:43:51,258 --> 00:43:53,594 to change their testimony, 933 00:43:53,594 --> 00:43:55,387 and agree that there was no big hole 934 00:43:55,387 --> 00:43:58,599 in the back of Kennedy's head. 935 00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,477 [Goldberg] Charles Crenshaw, a third year resident, 936 00:44:01,477 --> 00:44:04,897 was in the emergency room at Parkland that day. 937 00:44:04,897 --> 00:44:08,442 He later said in public that he felt the wounds in Kennedy 938 00:44:08,442 --> 00:44:10,903 originated from the front. 939 00:44:10,903 --> 00:44:13,197 From here, through. 940 00:44:13,364 --> 00:44:15,616 [Gary Aguilar] Charles Crenshaw wrote a book, 941 00:44:15,616 --> 00:44:18,285 Conspiracy of Silence, in the wake of the film JFK, 942 00:44:18,285 --> 00:44:20,246 saying, "Look, I was at Parkland Hospital. 943 00:44:20,246 --> 00:44:23,249 "I saw Kennedy, I was involved in the treatment, 944 00:44:23,249 --> 00:44:25,084 "and Kennedy's wounds were not consistent 945 00:44:25,084 --> 00:44:27,169 "with a shot from above and behind because 946 00:44:27,169 --> 00:44:29,880 he had a defect involving the right rear of his head." 947 00:44:32,091 --> 00:44:33,634 [man over recorder] Using the most precise 948 00:44:33,634 --> 00:44:35,261 medical terminology that you can use. 949 00:44:35,261 --> 00:44:36,428 [Audrey Bell over recorder] Okay, let's see, 950 00:44:36,595 --> 00:44:39,849 it was on the right rear 951 00:44:39,849 --> 00:44:43,853 and he shifted the head, a little bit, to the left, 952 00:44:43,853 --> 00:44:48,149 lifted up the, well, kind of the matted area, the flap. 953 00:44:48,149 --> 00:44:52,111 And you could see the, uh, hole, 954 00:44:52,111 --> 00:44:54,446 and there was, uh, 955 00:44:54,446 --> 00:44:58,742 brain and spinal fluid dripping down out of it. 956 00:44:58,742 --> 00:45:01,662 Then I noticed it was dripping, you know, down into a bucket. 957 00:45:04,123 --> 00:45:06,125 [Stone] As early as 1981, 958 00:45:06,125 --> 00:45:08,544 copies of the autopsy photos were leaked 959 00:45:08,544 --> 00:45:11,755 and distributed among JFK researchers. 960 00:45:11,755 --> 00:45:13,549 The image of Kennedy's head wound 961 00:45:13,549 --> 00:45:18,137 contradicted what was witnessed by the Parkland doctors. 962 00:45:18,137 --> 00:45:22,850 I recall the injury being right along in this area. 963 00:45:26,061 --> 00:45:29,523 [Mantik] It's as if the autopsy materials were designed 964 00:45:29,523 --> 00:45:32,026 to hide what was really happening, 965 00:45:32,026 --> 00:45:34,445 as opposed to what they should usually do. 966 00:45:34,445 --> 00:45:39,033 They're supposed to reveal the full extent of things. 967 00:45:39,033 --> 00:45:41,035 [Goldberg] The evening of the assassination, 968 00:45:41,035 --> 00:45:44,747 the body of President Kennedy was returned to Washington. 969 00:45:44,747 --> 00:45:48,292 The autopsy was performed at Bethesda Medical Center, 970 00:45:48,292 --> 00:45:50,085 a naval institution. 971 00:45:50,252 --> 00:45:52,213 All of the top forensic pathologists 972 00:45:52,213 --> 00:45:53,589 in the United States 973 00:45:53,797 --> 00:45:56,467 were within one-hour drive or flying time from D.C. 974 00:45:57,343 --> 00:45:59,428 Not one of them was called upon. 975 00:45:59,428 --> 00:46:01,388 There were two Navy pathologists, 976 00:46:01,555 --> 00:46:03,015 Commander James Humes 977 00:46:03,182 --> 00:46:05,351 and his associate, J. Thornton Boswell. 978 00:46:05,351 --> 00:46:09,021 These two military pathologists who had never done 979 00:46:09,021 --> 00:46:12,399 a single gunshot-wound autopsy in their entire careers. 980 00:46:12,566 --> 00:46:14,193 This is something that really 981 00:46:14,193 --> 00:46:16,028 has to be emphasized to every American. 982 00:46:16,028 --> 00:46:18,197 I don't care, Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative. 983 00:46:18,197 --> 00:46:19,698 This is your president, 984 00:46:19,698 --> 00:46:21,992 and you've got multiple gunshot wounds 985 00:46:21,992 --> 00:46:24,954 to determine angles, trajectory, range, sequence. 986 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,372 And then you've got to correlate 987 00:46:26,538 --> 00:46:28,332 with the multiple gunshot wounds in Connally. 988 00:46:28,332 --> 00:46:30,584 This is a formidable task that would have required 989 00:46:30,751 --> 00:46:35,047 two or three major forensic pathologists to-- to undertake. 990 00:46:35,047 --> 00:46:37,258 So they called Humes and Boswell. 991 00:46:37,258 --> 00:46:38,592 They realized they were over their head. 992 00:46:38,592 --> 00:46:39,927 They called in an expert 993 00:46:39,927 --> 00:46:41,804 from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, 994 00:46:41,804 --> 00:46:43,222 a guy named Pierre Finck. 995 00:46:43,389 --> 00:46:45,808 Dr. Humes and Boswell started the autopsy 996 00:46:45,808 --> 00:46:48,269 before their forensics consultant even got there, 997 00:46:48,269 --> 00:46:50,145 but they realized they were in over their head. 998 00:46:50,145 --> 00:46:53,440 So they asked to have a medical examiner because Dr. Finck, 999 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,402 who is a forensic pathologist, wasn't doing autopsies. 1000 00:46:56,402 --> 00:46:58,237 He hadn't done one in more than two years. 1001 00:46:58,237 --> 00:47:00,197 So they asked for permission to bring in somebody 1002 00:47:00,197 --> 00:47:04,076 who knew what they were doing. Permission was denied. 1003 00:47:04,076 --> 00:47:05,494 [Aguilar] There were a lot of people 1004 00:47:05,703 --> 00:47:06,704 at the Bethesda morgue. 1005 00:47:06,704 --> 00:47:08,122 The latest count by all the researchers 1006 00:47:08,122 --> 00:47:10,708 that I know of is about 33 people. 1007 00:47:10,708 --> 00:47:12,918 There was a gallery, bleachers. 1008 00:47:12,918 --> 00:47:15,921 Apparently, all three rows were filled with people. 1009 00:47:15,921 --> 00:47:18,841 These three autopsy pathologists were given a body, 1010 00:47:19,008 --> 00:47:20,175 told, "Here's the body, 1011 00:47:20,175 --> 00:47:22,136 he was shot from behind, he fell forward," 1012 00:47:22,136 --> 00:47:23,846 which they wrote in their autopsy report, 1013 00:47:23,846 --> 00:47:25,097 figure out how the wounds fit 1014 00:47:25,264 --> 00:47:27,141 the known circumstances of the shooting. 1015 00:47:27,141 --> 00:47:30,686 But what this really speaks to is the fact that the autopsy 1016 00:47:30,686 --> 00:47:32,104 was not in the control of the surgeons 1017 00:47:32,271 --> 00:47:34,315 that were charged with doing it. 1018 00:47:34,315 --> 00:47:36,275 It was in the control of people who were there, 1019 00:47:36,275 --> 00:47:38,027 who were telling them what they could do 1020 00:47:38,235 --> 00:47:39,445 and what they couldn't do. 1021 00:47:39,445 --> 00:47:42,156 [reporter] Let's talk about those two wounds, Captain. 1022 00:47:42,156 --> 00:47:44,867 You examined this whole area of the back. 1023 00:47:44,867 --> 00:47:46,076 [James J. Humes] Yes, sir. 1024 00:47:46,076 --> 00:47:47,661 [Wecht] So on the night of the autopsy, 1025 00:47:47,828 --> 00:47:49,705 Humes and Boswell said, 1026 00:47:49,705 --> 00:47:51,874 "Hey, we got a bullet hole in the President's back," 1027 00:47:51,874 --> 00:47:54,793 which they examined with the finger, 1028 00:47:54,793 --> 00:47:56,045 then with an instrument, then took x-rays, 1029 00:47:56,211 --> 00:47:57,880 then took out the lungs. 1030 00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,048 And no bullets. 1031 00:47:59,214 --> 00:48:00,716 In a murder case, 1032 00:48:00,716 --> 00:48:03,469 that is a very serious problem for them. 1033 00:48:03,469 --> 00:48:04,970 So where did that bullet go? 1034 00:48:05,137 --> 00:48:07,890 It was just, like you say, a work of fiction. 1035 00:48:07,890 --> 00:48:10,142 A call came in from the FBI in Dallas. 1036 00:48:10,142 --> 00:48:11,769 A bullet was found. 1037 00:48:11,769 --> 00:48:13,354 Darrell Tomlinson, a maintenance man 1038 00:48:13,354 --> 00:48:15,105 at Parkland Hospital, 1039 00:48:15,105 --> 00:48:17,900 trying to get to the men's room, passing by the ER, 1040 00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:19,568 found the stretchers blocking the way, 1041 00:48:19,568 --> 00:48:21,862 bent down, moved the stretcher, 1042 00:48:21,862 --> 00:48:23,322 and there was a bullet. 1043 00:48:23,489 --> 00:48:24,990 How did that bullet get there? 1044 00:48:24,990 --> 00:48:26,533 Humes and Boswell came up 1045 00:48:26,533 --> 00:48:28,994 with this totally absurd conclusion 1046 00:48:28,994 --> 00:48:30,954 that when the President lay 1047 00:48:30,954 --> 00:48:33,999 on the stretcher, supine position, 1048 00:48:33,999 --> 00:48:36,001 and pressure was applied to his chest 1049 00:48:36,001 --> 00:48:38,420 for cardiopulmonary resuscitation, 1050 00:48:38,420 --> 00:48:41,965 that pressure, applied anteriorly, forced the bullet, 1051 00:48:41,965 --> 00:48:43,967 which had gone deeply into the tissues, 1052 00:48:43,967 --> 00:48:45,761 back out through like a tunnel. 1053 00:48:45,761 --> 00:48:48,097 In and out, a car in reverse. 1054 00:48:48,097 --> 00:48:50,766 And what's very important to note is 1055 00:48:50,933 --> 00:48:53,602 bullets don't go in and out like that. 1056 00:48:53,602 --> 00:48:57,189 The bullet becomes encased. But that was their conclusion. 1057 00:48:57,189 --> 00:49:00,651 Keep in mind, they did not know that there was a bullet hole 1058 00:49:00,651 --> 00:49:02,403 in the front of the President's neck. 1059 00:49:02,569 --> 00:49:05,030 Commander. Now, Captain Humes, 1060 00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:06,990 how many autopsies have you performed? 1061 00:49:06,990 --> 00:49:09,159 [Humes] Approximately 1,000. 1062 00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:13,872 It wasn't until the next morning when Humes decided, 1063 00:49:13,872 --> 00:49:15,040 "Hey, maybe we outta talk with 1064 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,543 the surgeons at Parkland Hospital." 1065 00:49:17,543 --> 00:49:20,462 Earlier that day, the doctors at Parkland Hospital 1066 00:49:20,462 --> 00:49:22,256 had determined that the bullet 1067 00:49:22,423 --> 00:49:24,133 had fortuitously ripped through the trachea. 1068 00:49:24,133 --> 00:49:27,386 So they enlarged that bullet hole. 1069 00:49:27,386 --> 00:49:29,555 And now they learned, for the first time, 1070 00:49:29,555 --> 00:49:31,557 that there was a tracheostomy 1071 00:49:31,557 --> 00:49:33,892 superimposed upon a bullet wound. 1072 00:49:33,892 --> 00:49:36,520 "Aha!" said Humes and Boswell. 1073 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,105 "Now we know!" 1074 00:49:38,105 --> 00:49:40,899 The shot fired from the rear, entered the back, 1075 00:49:40,899 --> 00:49:43,277 moving around 2,000 feet per second, 1076 00:49:43,277 --> 00:49:46,155 comes out, then stops, sees the starched white collar, 1077 00:49:46,155 --> 00:49:48,657 gets frightened to death, plops into the front of his clothing. 1078 00:49:48,657 --> 00:49:50,242 And that's where the bullet came from, 1079 00:49:50,242 --> 00:49:52,411 found by Tomlinson on the stretcher. 1080 00:49:52,411 --> 00:49:53,954 Four or five months later, 1081 00:49:53,954 --> 00:49:56,582 under Arlen Specter's single-bullet theory, 1082 00:49:56,582 --> 00:49:59,126 that bullet has been rejuvenated, it's been revitalized. 1083 00:49:59,126 --> 00:50:00,669 That bullet has now gone through 1084 00:50:00,669 --> 00:50:02,504 Kennedy, through Connally, 1085 00:50:02,504 --> 00:50:06,675 and now, as of April of 1964, the Stretcher Bullet, 1086 00:50:06,675 --> 00:50:08,427 Commission Exhibit #399, 1087 00:50:08,427 --> 00:50:10,137 the hero of the Warren Commission report, 1088 00:50:10,137 --> 00:50:13,265 is now from Connally's left thigh. 1089 00:50:13,265 --> 00:50:15,559 How is that possible? 1090 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:17,478 It's unbelievable! 1091 00:50:17,478 --> 00:50:20,481 ...which is scientific evidence 1092 00:50:20,481 --> 00:50:26,737 that the wound was made from behind and passed forward. 1093 00:50:26,737 --> 00:50:30,324 [Aguilar] Dr. Humes destroyed his original autopsy notes. 1094 00:50:30,324 --> 00:50:32,242 Now, Dr. Humes, the chief autopsy pathologist, 1095 00:50:32,242 --> 00:50:34,369 and what we all know as doctors, 1096 00:50:34,369 --> 00:50:36,205 notes taken while you're doing something 1097 00:50:36,205 --> 00:50:37,748 are much more important, 1098 00:50:37,748 --> 00:50:39,541 and are likely to be closer to the truth 1099 00:50:39,541 --> 00:50:42,085 than anything you write later. 1100 00:50:42,085 --> 00:50:44,630 And he admitted that he'd destroyed autopsy notes. 1101 00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:46,673 You destroyed your original notes 1102 00:50:46,673 --> 00:50:48,217 in a medical legal autopsy? 1103 00:50:48,217 --> 00:50:51,887 And remember, that night Oswald is still alive. 1104 00:50:51,887 --> 00:50:53,263 You're going to be asked, doctor, 1105 00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:58,101 at some point in time under oath to give sworn testimony. 1106 00:50:58,101 --> 00:51:00,020 Why did you destroy those notes, doctor? 1107 00:51:00,187 --> 00:51:03,482 Doesn't a pathologist keep his notes? 1108 00:51:03,482 --> 00:51:06,151 And he said, "Well, I destroyed my own autopsy notes 1109 00:51:06,151 --> 00:51:08,570 "because they were splattered with the President's blood 1110 00:51:08,570 --> 00:51:11,406 and I didn't want them to become objects of morbid curiosity." 1111 00:51:11,406 --> 00:51:12,950 The third doctor, Dr. Finck, 1112 00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:14,952 who was there, also wrote some notes 1113 00:51:14,952 --> 00:51:16,537 and complained bitterly about the fact 1114 00:51:16,537 --> 00:51:18,121 that his notes disappeared too. 1115 00:51:18,121 --> 00:51:20,249 He was so upset because he had to go home 1116 00:51:20,249 --> 00:51:22,543 and reconstruct all of his notes from memory. 1117 00:51:24,628 --> 00:51:26,547 The two FBI agents at the autopsy, 1118 00:51:26,547 --> 00:51:29,258 Frank O'Neill and James Sibert, 1119 00:51:29,258 --> 00:51:31,885 they reported what they heard during the autopsy, 1120 00:51:32,052 --> 00:51:34,680 what they heard the pathologists say, 1121 00:51:34,846 --> 00:51:36,974 specifically Dr. Humes. 1122 00:51:36,974 --> 00:51:41,562 They were interviewed by Arlen Specter in early 1964. 1123 00:51:41,562 --> 00:51:45,774 He proceeded to write very unfavorable comments 1124 00:51:45,774 --> 00:51:48,527 about them in a summary memo for the record. 1125 00:51:48,527 --> 00:51:50,028 We know with confidence 1126 00:51:50,028 --> 00:51:51,822 why he didn't like what they had to say, 1127 00:51:51,822 --> 00:51:53,699 because they were providing evidence 1128 00:51:53,865 --> 00:51:56,159 that the single-bullet theory could not be true. 1129 00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,453 [Goldberg] Neither Sibert nor O'Neill 1130 00:51:58,453 --> 00:52:01,164 were asked to testify for the Warren Commission, 1131 00:52:01,164 --> 00:52:03,584 and their written notes became classified. 1132 00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:06,211 In 1997, their depositions were taken 1133 00:52:06,211 --> 00:52:09,423 by the Assassination Records Review Board. 1134 00:52:09,423 --> 00:52:11,633 [Douglas Horne] Both Sibert and O'Neill 1135 00:52:11,633 --> 00:52:14,928 were shown the photographs of the back of JFK's head, 1136 00:52:14,928 --> 00:52:18,015 the autopsy photographs that are the most controversial. 1137 00:52:18,015 --> 00:52:19,808 And they both said that they didn't 1138 00:52:19,808 --> 00:52:21,602 see anything like that at the autopsy. 1139 00:52:21,768 --> 00:52:24,021 O'Neill had said, "It looks like it's been doctored. 1140 00:52:24,187 --> 00:52:25,439 "I don't mean the photo has been doctored. 1141 00:52:25,439 --> 00:52:27,608 It looks like the head has been put back together," 1142 00:52:27,608 --> 00:52:28,942 you know, by embalmers and then photographed." 1143 00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:30,777 That was what he said under oath. 1144 00:52:30,944 --> 00:52:33,238 Sibert did not remember 1145 00:52:33,238 --> 00:52:35,991 drawing a diagram of the wound for the House committee. 1146 00:52:35,991 --> 00:52:38,035 So he drew a new one for the Review Board. 1147 00:52:38,035 --> 00:52:39,995 And it's one of our most important wound diagrams. 1148 00:52:40,162 --> 00:52:42,581 And it shows what could only be an exit defect 1149 00:52:42,581 --> 00:52:43,957 in the right rear of the skull. 1150 00:52:50,964 --> 00:52:53,425 [Goldberg] This new evidence, combined with 1151 00:52:53,425 --> 00:52:56,386 the Review Board's declassification of 40 witnesses 1152 00:52:56,386 --> 00:52:59,264 who saw a hole in the back of Kennedy's head, 1153 00:52:59,264 --> 00:53:03,769 constitutes powerful evidence of a shot from the front. 1154 00:53:04,686 --> 00:53:06,021 (gunshot) 1155 00:53:09,149 --> 00:53:10,651 Who was the autopsy photographer? 1156 00:53:10,651 --> 00:53:13,070 John Stringer. 1157 00:53:13,236 --> 00:53:15,656 He was a Navy civilian. He was widely respected. 1158 00:53:15,822 --> 00:53:16,865 He had written a textbook 1159 00:53:17,032 --> 00:53:18,909 on medical photography for the Navy. 1160 00:53:18,909 --> 00:53:20,243 So he was the photographer of record. 1161 00:53:20,243 --> 00:53:22,496 He photographed the autopsy itself 1162 00:53:22,496 --> 00:53:26,124 and also photographed the President's brain. 1163 00:53:26,124 --> 00:53:28,251 [Stone] The autopsy photos of the President's brain 1164 00:53:28,251 --> 00:53:30,504 are housed at the National Archives. 1165 00:53:30,504 --> 00:53:33,590 These photos cannot be scanned or reproduced, 1166 00:53:33,590 --> 00:53:36,468 but are only available to be viewed on site 1167 00:53:36,468 --> 00:53:40,305 by researchers authorized by the Kennedy family. 1168 00:53:40,305 --> 00:53:42,307 [Horne] Half of the brain photos are taken 1169 00:53:42,307 --> 00:53:44,935 of a brain from above, superior views, 1170 00:53:44,935 --> 00:53:48,438 which is what Stringer said he shot of the complete organ. 1171 00:53:48,438 --> 00:53:51,024 But the other half of the brain photos in the archives 1172 00:53:51,024 --> 00:53:54,486 are taken of the bottom, called basilar views. 1173 00:53:54,486 --> 00:53:57,239 Now, we were very careful to question Mr. Stringer 1174 00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,282 about all the photographs he took, 1175 00:53:59,449 --> 00:54:02,536 and ask him what kind of film he used for black and white, 1176 00:54:02,536 --> 00:54:04,162 what kind of film he used for color. 1177 00:54:04,162 --> 00:54:06,289 Jeremy Gunn showed Stringer 1178 00:54:06,289 --> 00:54:10,127 the color positive transparencies of the brain, 1179 00:54:10,127 --> 00:54:11,753 and Stringer immediately noted, 1180 00:54:11,753 --> 00:54:14,423 "Well, these aren't Kodak. These might be Ansco." 1181 00:54:14,423 --> 00:54:16,883 He said, "I don't see the name of the manufacturer on here, 1182 00:54:16,883 --> 00:54:19,720 but these don't have the right notches in the corner." 1183 00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:21,471 So Jeremy Gunn said, 1184 00:54:21,471 --> 00:54:23,807 "Did you use this film with these notches in it?" 1185 00:54:23,807 --> 00:54:25,517 Stringer said, "No." 1186 00:54:25,517 --> 00:54:27,352 "Did you take basilar views when you shot the brain?" 1187 00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:30,188 And he says, "Not as far as I know." 1188 00:54:30,355 --> 00:54:32,691 [Goldberg] Doesn't this all lead to the question 1189 00:54:32,691 --> 00:54:36,278 if Stringer did not take these photographs, then who did? 1190 00:54:38,113 --> 00:54:41,366 Robert Knudsen was a Navy photographer 1191 00:54:41,366 --> 00:54:44,327 who was detailed to the White House in 1958. 1192 00:54:44,494 --> 00:54:47,748 If you read his obituaries in The New York Times 1193 00:54:47,914 --> 00:54:49,207 and The Washington Post, 1194 00:54:49,207 --> 00:54:51,126 you will see that he is credited 1195 00:54:51,293 --> 00:54:53,837 with photographing Kennedy's autopsy, 1196 00:54:53,837 --> 00:54:57,174 except officially he was not. 1197 00:54:57,340 --> 00:54:59,926 [Horne] Robert Knudsen was not interviewed by 1198 00:55:00,135 --> 00:55:01,553 the Warren Commission. 1199 00:55:01,553 --> 00:55:05,682 So they finally found Robert Knudsen in 1978. 1200 00:55:05,682 --> 00:55:07,809 And to its credit, the House Select Committee 1201 00:55:07,809 --> 00:55:09,227 did a deposition of him. 1202 00:55:09,394 --> 00:55:12,063 To their discredit, they never published it. 1203 00:55:12,063 --> 00:55:16,443 They buried it for 15 years and it got released in 1993. 1204 00:55:16,443 --> 00:55:18,361 And I know why they buried it, 1205 00:55:18,361 --> 00:55:21,281 because everything he told them about autopsy photography 1206 00:55:21,281 --> 00:55:22,866 contradicted what they thought they knew 1207 00:55:22,866 --> 00:55:24,034 in the official record. 1208 00:55:24,034 --> 00:55:26,828 [Mantik] After his death in 1989, 1209 00:55:26,828 --> 00:55:28,413 his wife was interviewed by 1210 00:55:28,580 --> 00:55:31,082 the Assassination Records Review Board. 1211 00:55:43,094 --> 00:55:46,264 He told her that one photograph in particular, 1212 00:55:46,264 --> 00:55:47,808 presumably the back of the head, 1213 00:55:47,808 --> 00:55:50,268 had been severely altered. 1214 00:55:50,268 --> 00:55:52,145 [Jeremy Gunn] Where was the wound covered? 1215 00:55:57,818 --> 00:56:00,529 [Jeremy Gunn] In one sense, uh, probably worth saying 1216 00:56:00,529 --> 00:56:02,364 that what you're saying is very different 1217 00:56:02,364 --> 00:56:04,324 from what the United States government 1218 00:56:04,324 --> 00:56:06,493 has said for a long time. 1219 00:56:06,660 --> 00:56:10,038 And why didn't he say something to somebody? 1220 00:56:31,142 --> 00:56:33,186 [Horne] John Stringer is still 1221 00:56:33,186 --> 00:56:34,646 the autopsy photographer of record, 1222 00:56:34,646 --> 00:56:36,314 I think they both took pictures and I personally think 1223 00:56:36,481 --> 00:56:39,192 that many of John Stringer's pictures 1224 00:56:39,192 --> 00:56:41,111 never made it into the official collection. 1225 00:56:41,278 --> 00:56:42,279 And a lot of the ones we're looking at 1226 00:56:42,445 --> 00:56:44,030 are Robert Knudsen's pictures. 1227 00:56:47,701 --> 00:56:50,871 [Mantik] Saundra Spencer worked at the Anacostia Facility, 1228 00:56:51,037 --> 00:56:53,248 a Naval Photographic Center, 1229 00:56:53,248 --> 00:56:55,542 which was quite separate from the Bethesda lab. 1230 00:56:55,542 --> 00:56:58,712 That weekend, she received film. 1231 00:56:58,879 --> 00:57:01,631 [Horne] The photographs that Saundra Spencer developed, 1232 00:57:01,631 --> 00:57:03,800 which never made it into the official record. 1233 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,469 The only evidence we have of them is her testimony. 1234 00:57:08,305 --> 00:57:10,682 Saundra Spencer was visibly upset 1235 00:57:10,682 --> 00:57:13,059 when she looked at the official autopsy photographs 1236 00:57:13,059 --> 00:57:16,605 because she said, "I developed pictures of him and his family 1237 00:57:16,605 --> 00:57:19,482 for almost three years and he never looked like this." 1238 00:57:19,482 --> 00:57:21,484 She said, "He looks terrible in these photographs." 1239 00:57:25,989 --> 00:57:26,698 -She started to cry. 1240 00:57:26,907 --> 00:57:28,366 -[Stone] In front of the Review Board? 1241 00:57:28,533 --> 00:57:30,994 [Horne] Yes, she started to cry in front of Jeremy and I 1242 00:57:31,161 --> 00:57:32,913 and the person from the archives, 1243 00:57:32,913 --> 00:57:35,373 and she said, "He did not look this bad 1244 00:57:35,373 --> 00:57:37,417 in the photographs I developed on Sunday." 1245 00:57:37,417 --> 00:57:40,378 He was very cleaned up. It was very respectful. 1246 00:57:40,545 --> 00:57:42,714 And in one of the photographs she developed, 1247 00:57:42,714 --> 00:57:44,382 there was a brain, an intact brain, 1248 00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:46,217 sitting next to the body, 1249 00:57:46,217 --> 00:57:47,594 the nude body of the President. 1250 00:57:47,761 --> 00:57:49,429 Strange, first of all, that it's intact 1251 00:57:49,429 --> 00:57:52,849 because FBI agent Frank O'Neill told the Review Board 1252 00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:55,685 that over half of the mass of the brain was missing. 1253 00:57:58,438 --> 00:58:01,232 [Mantik] So the brain autopsy or autopsies, 1254 00:58:01,232 --> 00:58:03,693 there were probably two such events, 1255 00:58:03,693 --> 00:58:08,490 uh, occurred later and we're not done on November 22nd. 1256 00:58:08,490 --> 00:58:10,241 [Aguilar] Anybody that's seen the Zapruder film 1257 00:58:10,241 --> 00:58:11,701 can see Kennedy's head explodes 1258 00:58:11,701 --> 00:58:13,244 and debris flies all over the place. 1259 00:58:13,244 --> 00:58:14,579 Jackie Kennedy climbed out 1260 00:58:14,579 --> 00:58:16,331 onto the trunk of the limousine, 1261 00:58:16,331 --> 00:58:19,501 picked up a chunk of the President's brain, had it with her, 1262 00:58:19,501 --> 00:58:21,336 took it in and gave it to, uh, 1263 00:58:21,336 --> 00:58:23,338 one of the doctors at Parkland Hospital. 1264 00:58:23,338 --> 00:58:25,590 When you look at the autopsy photographs of the brain, 1265 00:58:25,590 --> 00:58:27,008 which I've seen the originals of, 1266 00:58:27,008 --> 00:58:28,927 you can just see that the brain is disrupted, 1267 00:58:28,927 --> 00:58:30,929 but very little of the tissue is missing. 1268 00:58:30,929 --> 00:58:33,682 Then we look at the autopsy report of the brain, 1269 00:58:33,682 --> 00:58:35,684 what they call the supplemental brain examination. 1270 00:58:35,850 --> 00:58:37,477 The brain in evidence that's weighed there 1271 00:58:37,477 --> 00:58:39,479 weighs 1,500 grams. 1272 00:58:39,479 --> 00:58:42,857 1500 grams is-- is above average weight 1273 00:58:42,857 --> 00:58:44,442 of an adult male brain. 1274 00:58:44,442 --> 00:58:47,487 There was one report of 8,000 autopsies 1275 00:58:47,487 --> 00:58:50,365 and the average weight of an adult male brain 1276 00:58:50,365 --> 00:58:52,283 was 1,336 grams. 1277 00:58:52,283 --> 00:58:56,079 So they're saying that President Kennedy's brain 1278 00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:57,789 was well above the average weight. 1279 00:58:57,789 --> 00:58:59,791 Where did all that brain tissue disappear to? 1280 00:58:59,791 --> 00:59:03,670 That flies around Dealey Plaza that Jackie has in her hand, 1281 00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:05,296 that everybody is picking off of their clothes? 1282 00:59:08,216 --> 00:59:10,969 [Chesser] There are two photographs of the brain 1283 00:59:10,969 --> 00:59:13,388 I viewed those in 2015. 1284 00:59:13,388 --> 00:59:15,890 The brain looked to me to be distorted. 1285 00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:17,559 My first thought was that the brain had been sitting 1286 00:59:17,726 --> 00:59:19,811 in a jar of formaldehyde for a long time. 1287 00:59:19,811 --> 00:59:22,772 The Review Board had a consultant. 1288 00:59:22,939 --> 00:59:25,734 A renowned forensic pathologist. 1289 00:59:25,734 --> 00:59:28,361 He looked at the brain photographs and he said, 1290 00:59:28,361 --> 00:59:30,905 "This is a very well-fixed brain. 1291 00:59:31,072 --> 00:59:33,992 It's all gray. It's not pink at all. 1292 00:59:33,992 --> 00:59:36,911 "It's been fixed for two or three weeks in formaldehyde. 1293 00:59:37,078 --> 00:59:38,580 It's been fixed at least two weeks, 1294 00:59:38,580 --> 00:59:40,081 maybe as long as three weeks." 1295 00:59:40,081 --> 00:59:42,333 I looked at Jeremy Gunn and he looked at me 1296 00:59:42,333 --> 00:59:43,752 and the hair stood up on the back of my neck, 1297 00:59:43,752 --> 00:59:48,173 because I knew that JFK's brain was examined... 1298 00:59:48,173 --> 00:59:50,675 less than three days after he was killed. 1299 00:59:50,675 --> 00:59:52,385 One can only imagine that they wanted 1300 00:59:52,385 --> 00:59:54,179 the-- the damage to the brain 1301 00:59:54,179 --> 00:59:56,389 to be consistent with the hypothesis 1302 00:59:56,389 --> 00:59:58,683 that Oswald had done the shooting. 1303 00:59:58,683 --> 01:00:00,060 So if you had a defect going all the way 1304 01:00:00,268 --> 01:00:01,186 to the back of the head, 1305 01:00:01,186 --> 01:00:03,354 like so many witnesses testified to it, 1306 01:00:03,521 --> 01:00:07,984 it might raise questions about whether that huge defect 1307 01:00:07,984 --> 01:00:10,528 could've cau-- been caused by a single shot to the head 1308 01:00:10,695 --> 01:00:13,114 as Oswald is supposed to have done. 1309 01:00:13,114 --> 01:00:14,365 [Chesser] At a teaching hospital, 1310 01:00:14,365 --> 01:00:17,327 there was no shortage of brains. 1311 01:00:17,327 --> 01:00:18,745 Autopsies were very frequent. 1312 01:00:18,745 --> 01:00:20,246 Frequently, the brain was saved 1313 01:00:20,246 --> 01:00:22,874 for teaching medical students, 1314 01:00:22,874 --> 01:00:24,375 so it would not have been difficult 1315 01:00:24,375 --> 01:00:26,711 to find a brain for replacement. 1316 01:00:26,878 --> 01:00:28,254 This is just one more reason 1317 01:00:28,254 --> 01:00:31,007 why this cannot be President Kennedy's brain 1318 01:00:31,007 --> 01:00:34,969 in the photographs that we have stored at the archives. 1319 01:00:34,969 --> 01:00:40,600 What we have here... is evidence that impugns the authenticity 1320 01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,144 of the brain photographs in the National Archives. 1321 01:00:43,311 --> 01:00:45,105 If there was a trial today, 1322 01:00:45,105 --> 01:00:48,108 these brain photographs would not be admissible as evidence. 1323 01:00:50,110 --> 01:00:52,028 I'd hate to be in your shoes today. 1324 01:00:53,154 --> 01:00:54,239 You have a lot to think about. 1325 01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:55,573 You've seen much hidden evidence 1326 01:00:55,573 --> 01:00:57,283 the American public has never seen. 1327 01:00:58,993 --> 01:01:02,413 You know, going back to when we were children, 1328 01:01:02,413 --> 01:01:04,457 I think that most of us in this courtroom thought 1329 01:01:04,457 --> 01:01:07,127 that justice came into being automatically. 1330 01:01:08,253 --> 01:01:09,879 That virtue was its own reward, 1331 01:01:09,879 --> 01:01:11,923 that-- that good would triumph over evil. 1332 01:01:13,550 --> 01:01:17,345 But as we get older, we know this just isn't true. 1333 01:01:17,345 --> 01:01:20,056 Individual human beings have to create justice 1334 01:01:20,056 --> 01:01:21,182 and this is not easy, 1335 01:01:22,892 --> 01:01:26,271 because the truth often poses a threat to power, 1336 01:01:26,437 --> 01:01:30,400 and one often has to fight power at great risk to themselves. 1337 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,068 [Goldberg] The one physician present 1338 01:01:32,068 --> 01:01:35,196 at both Parkland Hospital and the Bethesda morgue 1339 01:01:35,196 --> 01:01:36,614 was George Burkley, 1340 01:01:36,614 --> 01:01:39,242 Kennedy's personal doctor. 1341 01:01:39,242 --> 01:01:42,579 Arlen Specter did not depose George Burkley, 1342 01:01:42,579 --> 01:01:46,666 but Burkley did an interview with the JFK Library in 1967, 1343 01:01:46,666 --> 01:01:48,793 and was asked this question. 1344 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,170 [interviewer speaking] 1345 01:01:57,844 --> 01:01:59,304 [interviewer] I see. 1346 01:01:59,304 --> 01:02:01,848 [Miller] The reason he didn't say anything was, 1347 01:02:01,848 --> 01:02:05,351 he was intimately involved in the coverup. 1348 01:02:05,351 --> 01:02:08,062 [Goldberg] Burkley signed the autopsy descriptive sheet 1349 01:02:08,062 --> 01:02:12,066 with a bullet in the back at the level of T3. 1350 01:02:12,066 --> 01:02:14,527 And he also signed Kennedy's death certificate, 1351 01:02:14,527 --> 01:02:17,071 which also placed that wound in the back. 1352 01:02:17,238 --> 01:02:19,282 That death certificate is not in 1353 01:02:19,282 --> 01:02:21,701 the Warren Commission volumes, 1354 01:02:21,701 --> 01:02:24,913 and the descriptive sheet in the Commission volumes 1355 01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:27,123 does not have Burkley's signature. 1356 01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:30,752 In 1977, through his lawyer, 1357 01:02:30,752 --> 01:02:33,087 he wrote a letter to Richard Sprague, 1358 01:02:33,087 --> 01:02:34,756 Chief Counsel of the House 1359 01:02:34,756 --> 01:02:37,300 Select Committee on Assassinations. 1360 01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:39,928 He said he had information indicating 1361 01:02:39,928 --> 01:02:42,055 that others besides Oswald 1362 01:02:42,055 --> 01:02:44,933 must've participated in the assassination. 1363 01:02:45,099 --> 01:02:48,561 He was willing to talk about it at this time. 1364 01:02:48,561 --> 01:02:50,939 Sprague, who made clear his intention 1365 01:02:50,939 --> 01:02:53,524 to fully investigate the CIA's involvement, 1366 01:02:53,691 --> 01:02:55,610 was forced out two weeks later. 1367 01:02:55,610 --> 01:02:57,528 Dr. Burkley submitted a written statement 1368 01:02:57,528 --> 01:02:59,739 to the House Select Committee, 1369 01:02:59,739 --> 01:03:01,616 but there is no official record 1370 01:03:01,616 --> 01:03:05,036 of him being deposed as a witness. 1371 01:03:05,036 --> 01:03:08,998 In 1982, he told JFK researcher Henry Hurt, 1372 01:03:08,998 --> 01:03:10,416 "I know there was more than one gunman," 1373 01:03:10,416 --> 01:03:11,834 and when Henry Hurt 1374 01:03:11,834 --> 01:03:13,795 tried to recontact Burkley for more details, 1375 01:03:13,962 --> 01:03:15,171 Burkley cut him off at the knees. 1376 01:03:15,171 --> 01:03:16,839 "I don't want to talk about it anymore." 1377 01:03:16,839 --> 01:03:18,258 The very next year, Burkley talked 1378 01:03:18,258 --> 01:03:21,052 to Michael Kurtz, another JFK researcher, 1379 01:03:21,052 --> 01:03:22,428 told him that he knew there was 1380 01:03:22,428 --> 01:03:24,055 a conspiracy to kill the President 1381 01:03:24,055 --> 01:03:25,431 and that he recalled an exit wound 1382 01:03:25,431 --> 01:03:27,642 in the back of President Kennedy's head. 1383 01:03:27,642 --> 01:03:29,602 Now, that's a very significant statement. 1384 01:03:29,602 --> 01:03:31,604 That the only doctor we know of 1385 01:03:31,604 --> 01:03:34,440 who was present at both Parkland for treatment, 1386 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,150 and at Bethesda during the autopsy, 1387 01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:38,528 told Michael Kurtz in 1983 1388 01:03:38,528 --> 01:03:40,822 that Kennedy had an exit wound in the back of his head. 1389 01:03:40,822 --> 01:03:42,240 When Kurtz tried to recontact Burkley, 1390 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,575 Burkley cut him off at the knees. 1391 01:03:44,575 --> 01:03:46,160 "I don't want to talk about this anymore." 1392 01:03:46,327 --> 01:03:47,829 Dr. Burkley was deceased by the time 1393 01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:49,580 the Review Board was impaneled. 1394 01:03:49,747 --> 01:03:52,041 So then Jeremy decided, well, 1395 01:03:52,041 --> 01:03:55,169 we can ask the executor of his estate, 1396 01:03:55,169 --> 01:03:57,255 his daughter, to sign a waiver 1397 01:03:57,255 --> 01:03:59,590 so that we could go to the law firm 1398 01:03:59,590 --> 01:04:01,301 that Mr. Illig used to work for, 1399 01:04:01,301 --> 01:04:02,677 because he was deceased also, 1400 01:04:02,677 --> 01:04:04,012 and see if there were 1401 01:04:04,012 --> 01:04:05,722 any records in the file of Mr. Illig 1402 01:04:05,722 --> 01:04:07,724 that would have revealed what it was 1403 01:04:07,724 --> 01:04:09,934 he wanted to tell the HSCA in detail, 1404 01:04:09,934 --> 01:04:11,811 and she said she would do that. 1405 01:04:11,811 --> 01:04:13,104 And then Jeremy called her on the phone, 1406 01:04:13,104 --> 01:04:15,523 she had completely changed her mind 1407 01:04:15,523 --> 01:04:16,941 and adamantly refused to sign it 1408 01:04:16,941 --> 01:04:19,027 and terminated the phone call. 1409 01:04:24,449 --> 01:04:26,367 The face sheet for the autopsy, 1410 01:04:26,367 --> 01:04:29,537 where it shows the front and back silhouette of the body, 1411 01:04:29,537 --> 01:04:32,248 where you mark scars and bullet wounds and things, 1412 01:04:32,415 --> 01:04:34,917 the face sheet showed the bullet wound 1413 01:04:34,917 --> 01:04:39,881 in the back at the level of thoracic vertebra T3, 1414 01:04:39,881 --> 01:04:42,925 which is five and a half to six inches below. 1415 01:04:42,925 --> 01:04:44,677 [Goldberg] That location coincided with 1416 01:04:44,844 --> 01:04:48,514 what Sibert and O'Neill wrote in their report. 1417 01:04:48,514 --> 01:04:52,143 And in order to make the facts fit the single-bullet theory, 1418 01:04:52,143 --> 01:04:54,145 one bullet doing all this damage, 1419 01:04:54,145 --> 01:04:57,940 the doctors needed an exit point for the back wound. 1420 01:04:57,940 --> 01:05:01,402 The Warren Commission raised the wound in the back 1421 01:05:01,402 --> 01:05:04,572 so that it would align with the alleged exit wound 1422 01:05:04,572 --> 01:05:06,741 in the front of Kennedy's neck. 1423 01:05:06,741 --> 01:05:08,242 Commissioner Gerald Ford 1424 01:05:08,242 --> 01:05:10,870 did this simply via the stroke of a pen, 1425 01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:13,331 changing the description in their report 1426 01:05:13,331 --> 01:05:16,167 from back, to back of the neck. 1427 01:05:16,167 --> 01:05:18,586 As I recall, they said about Gerald Ford 1428 01:05:18,586 --> 01:05:21,089 that he could not chew gum and walk at the same time. 1429 01:05:21,089 --> 01:05:23,758 Now, all of a sudden, he becomes a forensic pathologist, 1430 01:05:23,925 --> 01:05:26,594 and a photographer, and a criminalist, and an expert, 1431 01:05:26,761 --> 01:05:29,347 and he knows where the bullet hole was and he moved it up. 1432 01:05:29,347 --> 01:05:31,641 [Goldberg] But then in 1979, 1433 01:05:31,641 --> 01:05:34,977 the House Select Committee moved it lower in the back 1434 01:05:34,977 --> 01:05:37,605 because they had pictures from the autopsy. 1435 01:05:37,605 --> 01:05:39,399 It is conceivable that, at the time, 1436 01:05:39,399 --> 01:05:41,234 the Warren Commission thought 1437 01:05:41,234 --> 01:05:44,779 no one would ever see the autopsy photos. 1438 01:05:44,779 --> 01:05:46,989 When the Review Board declassified 1439 01:05:46,989 --> 01:05:49,075 the notation showing what Ford had done, 1440 01:05:49,075 --> 01:05:51,911 the former commissioner replied that it had nothing to do 1441 01:05:51,911 --> 01:05:54,372 with a conspiracy theory. 1442 01:05:54,372 --> 01:05:57,166 He was only trying to be more precise. 1443 01:05:57,333 --> 01:06:00,753 This is directly contradicted by a conversation Ford had 1444 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,049 with French President Valéry Giscard d'Estaing. 1445 01:06:05,049 --> 01:06:06,884 Ford told him the assassination 1446 01:06:06,884 --> 01:06:09,679 was not the work of one person. 1447 01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:11,889 It was something set up. 1448 01:06:11,889 --> 01:06:14,058 "We were sure it was set up, 1449 01:06:14,058 --> 01:06:16,978 but we were not able to discover by whom." 1450 01:06:19,439 --> 01:06:20,857 [Stone] With all the documents 1451 01:06:20,857 --> 01:06:22,817 declassified by the Review Board, 1452 01:06:22,984 --> 01:06:25,820 we can see this scene in a new light. 1453 01:06:25,987 --> 01:06:29,073 In regards to the JFK assassination, 1454 01:06:29,073 --> 01:06:32,869 conspiracy theories are now conspiracy facts. 1455 01:06:33,828 --> 01:06:35,621 The forensics show evidence 1456 01:06:35,788 --> 01:06:37,248 of multiple shooters with Oswald, 1457 01:06:37,248 --> 01:06:39,083 not even at the sixth floor window 1458 01:06:39,083 --> 01:06:41,544 at the time of the assassination. 1459 01:06:41,544 --> 01:06:47,049 And his fingerprints not found on the supposed murder weapon. 1460 01:06:47,216 --> 01:06:50,970 Still, there was no trial for Lee Harvey Oswald. 1461 01:06:50,970 --> 01:06:52,305 These people have given me a hearing 1462 01:06:52,305 --> 01:06:54,265 without legal representation or anything. 1463 01:06:54,265 --> 01:06:55,683 [reporter] Did you shoot the President? 1464 01:06:55,683 --> 01:06:58,144 I didn't shoot anybody, no, sir. 1465 01:06:58,144 --> 01:07:00,771 [Stone] Attorney Mark Lane tried to represent Oswald 1466 01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:01,939 in the proceedings, 1467 01:07:02,106 --> 01:07:03,983 but was denied by the Warren Commission. 1468 01:07:32,011 --> 01:07:35,139 Did the accused man get a fair trial? 1469 01:07:35,139 --> 01:07:36,307 I can tell you from my experiences 1470 01:07:36,307 --> 01:07:39,393 having tried several hundred cases to verdict, 1471 01:07:39,393 --> 01:07:41,312 and being responsible for thousands of cases 1472 01:07:41,479 --> 01:07:42,772 as head of the criminal courts 1473 01:07:42,772 --> 01:07:44,357 and running the homicide bureau, 1474 01:07:44,357 --> 01:07:46,901 that I don't believe there's any courtroom in America 1475 01:07:46,901 --> 01:07:48,736 where Oswald would've been convicted 1476 01:07:48,736 --> 01:07:49,862 on the evidence that was presented 1477 01:07:50,029 --> 01:07:52,323 before the Warren Commission. 1478 01:07:52,490 --> 01:07:56,160 [Stone] Instead of a jury of 12 American citizens, 1479 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,829 judgment was passed by a panel of seven 1480 01:07:58,829 --> 01:08:02,333 appointed wise men and career statesmen. 1481 01:08:02,333 --> 01:08:06,796 A judgment perpetuated by the media at that time. 1482 01:08:06,796 --> 01:08:09,215 Looking at the declassified documents, 1483 01:08:09,215 --> 01:08:11,008 we see there's even more mystery 1484 01:08:11,008 --> 01:08:13,803 behind Oswald to uncover. 1485 01:08:13,970 --> 01:08:17,848 A man who was, in his own words, a patsy. 1486 01:08:17,848 --> 01:08:20,935 Murdered on live television. 1487 01:08:20,935 --> 01:08:22,895 [reporter 1] This was the dreary funeral 1488 01:08:23,104 --> 01:08:24,230 of Lee Harvey Oswald, 1489 01:08:24,230 --> 01:08:28,192 alleged murderer of President Kennedy. 1490 01:08:28,192 --> 01:08:30,486 Burial was in an otherwise empty plot 1491 01:08:30,486 --> 01:08:33,698 in Rose Hill Cemetery outside Fort Worth. 1492 01:08:33,698 --> 01:08:35,825 A plot that we were told was bought 1493 01:08:35,825 --> 01:08:38,035 long ago by Oswald's mother. 1494 01:08:38,035 --> 01:08:41,038 No one was on hand for the funeral as mourners, 1495 01:08:41,038 --> 01:08:44,458 except the family of the dead man. 1496 01:08:44,458 --> 01:08:46,544 [reporter 2] Oswald spent his early years 1497 01:08:46,752 --> 01:08:47,628 in an orphanage. 1498 01:08:47,628 --> 01:08:51,799 At the age of 17, he joined the US Marine Corps. 1499 01:08:51,799 --> 01:08:53,175 A year later, he was sent 1500 01:08:53,342 --> 01:08:56,512 to one of the most secret US bases in the world, 1501 01:08:56,512 --> 01:08:58,180 Atsugi in Japan. 1502 01:08:58,180 --> 01:09:00,850 From here, the CIA operated spy flights 1503 01:09:00,850 --> 01:09:02,476 over communist China 1504 01:09:02,476 --> 01:09:04,979 using U-2 reconnaissance planes. 1505 01:09:06,731 --> 01:09:10,443 [Goldberg] During the 1975 Church Committee investigation 1506 01:09:10,610 --> 01:09:13,195 of US intelligence activities, 1507 01:09:13,195 --> 01:09:14,864 Committee member Richard Schweiker 1508 01:09:14,864 --> 01:09:17,283 remarked about Oswald, 1509 01:09:17,283 --> 01:09:20,119 that everywhere you looked with him, 1510 01:09:20,119 --> 01:09:23,497 there are fingerprints of intelligence. 1511 01:09:23,664 --> 01:09:25,750 [man] Many people said he was a forthright, 1512 01:09:25,958 --> 01:09:26,959 upstanding American 1513 01:09:26,959 --> 01:09:28,502 as a young person, 1514 01:09:28,502 --> 01:09:32,089 and yet they later depicted him as a Castro-loving, 1515 01:09:32,256 --> 01:09:35,259 Cuban-loving, Russian-loving person. 1516 01:09:35,259 --> 01:09:37,136 [Jefferson Morley] In the spring of 1963, 1517 01:09:37,136 --> 01:09:39,055 Oswald started handing out pamphlets 1518 01:09:39,221 --> 01:09:41,307 for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, 1519 01:09:41,307 --> 01:09:44,185 a pro-Castro, pro-Cuban Revolution group 1520 01:09:44,185 --> 01:09:47,104 that was popular on college campuses. 1521 01:09:47,104 --> 01:09:50,566 And some of them, he stamped "544 Camp Street," 1522 01:09:50,566 --> 01:09:54,070 which was an office in downtown, uh, New Orleans 1523 01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:56,697 near where the CIA's offices were, 1524 01:09:56,697 --> 01:09:58,449 right across the street, in fact. 1525 01:09:58,449 --> 01:10:01,661 There was also the home of the Cuban Revolutionary Council, 1526 01:10:01,661 --> 01:10:04,538 which was the leading anti-Castro group. 1527 01:10:04,538 --> 01:10:08,793 Why would a pro-Castro activist put his headquarters 1528 01:10:08,793 --> 01:10:10,461 in the same headquarters 1529 01:10:10,461 --> 01:10:13,172 as the leading anti-Castro group in the country? 1530 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,717 'Cause he was a provocateur. 1531 01:10:16,717 --> 01:10:19,303 This gets back to being an agent or a double agent, 1532 01:10:19,303 --> 01:10:21,263 because he played both roles. 1533 01:10:21,263 --> 01:10:25,309 Here was Oswald who had two associations. 1534 01:10:25,309 --> 01:10:27,520 One, he has a group of anti-Castro Cubans. 1535 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,939 At the same time, he was handing out leaflets 1536 01:10:29,939 --> 01:10:31,148 for the Fair Play for Cuba committee, 1537 01:10:31,148 --> 01:10:33,109 uh, with the other side of the fence. 1538 01:10:33,109 --> 01:10:36,070 So the two groups that had the most motivation 1539 01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:38,948 to assassinate the President, he was dealing with. 1540 01:10:40,282 --> 01:10:42,535 [Goldberg] And not surprisingly, 1541 01:10:42,535 --> 01:10:45,996 many of these groups were known and, in some cases 1542 01:10:45,996 --> 01:10:47,957 supported, by the US government. 1543 01:10:48,958 --> 01:10:51,544 In the spring of 1963, 1544 01:10:51,544 --> 01:10:55,798 Oswald began associating with men who, it would be revealed, 1545 01:10:55,798 --> 01:10:59,885 had clear connections with these government efforts. 1546 01:10:59,885 --> 01:11:01,887 One of these men, David Ferrie, 1547 01:11:01,887 --> 01:11:07,309 had been with Oswald in the Civil Air Patrol back in 1955, 1548 01:11:07,309 --> 01:11:10,396 and was known as an extreme anti-Communist. 1549 01:11:10,396 --> 01:11:14,275 He was also a trainer and a pilot for the CIA 1550 01:11:14,275 --> 01:11:17,153 in its secret war against Cuba. 1551 01:11:17,153 --> 01:11:18,779 Oswald was involved with these 1552 01:11:18,779 --> 01:11:21,991 Cuban exile training activities with Ferrie. 1553 01:11:23,242 --> 01:11:25,369 I do know that I saw him one time 1554 01:11:25,369 --> 01:11:28,956 with a man by the name of Guy Banister. 1555 01:11:28,956 --> 01:11:32,209 And, uh, what Guy's role was 1556 01:11:32,209 --> 01:11:35,880 in all of this, I-- I really don't know. 1557 01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,799 [Goldberg] Banister was an extreme right-winger 1558 01:11:38,799 --> 01:11:40,760 who was close to the FBI, 1559 01:11:40,926 --> 01:11:44,430 the CIA, and the American Nazi Party. 1560 01:11:44,430 --> 01:11:50,352 Banister gave Oswald his own office at 544 Camp Street. 1561 01:11:50,352 --> 01:11:53,439 Oswald now began to use his office 1562 01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:57,693 to print up and stamp pro-Castro literature. 1563 01:11:57,693 --> 01:12:01,822 After the assassination, when the FBI questioned Banister, 1564 01:12:01,822 --> 01:12:04,408 a former FBI agent himself, 1565 01:12:04,408 --> 01:12:08,704 they did not ask him about Oswald. 1566 01:12:08,704 --> 01:12:12,416 At some point, the FBI, I think probably after the assassination 1567 01:12:12,416 --> 01:12:15,002 decided they didn't-- they wanted to disconnect 1568 01:12:15,002 --> 01:12:17,171 Oswald from the FBI, 1569 01:12:17,171 --> 01:12:20,257 and-- and of course, Banister, who's associated with the FBI, 1570 01:12:20,257 --> 01:12:22,885 would have to be disconnected as well. 1571 01:12:22,885 --> 01:12:23,844 The problem with that, 1572 01:12:24,011 --> 01:12:25,846 many of those handbills had 1573 01:12:26,013 --> 01:12:28,641 the 544 Camp Street address on them. 1574 01:12:28,808 --> 01:12:32,478 There was a message from New Orleans to the Bureau 1575 01:12:32,478 --> 01:12:35,231 written by Special Agent Maynor, 1576 01:12:35,231 --> 01:12:38,234 uh, who actually mentioned pamphlets 1577 01:12:38,234 --> 01:12:40,945 that had the 544 Camp Street address on it. 1578 01:12:40,945 --> 01:12:44,114 And before that message was sent, it was scratched out. 1579 01:12:45,616 --> 01:12:48,035 [Goldberg] The Warren Commission pushed the idea 1580 01:12:48,202 --> 01:12:50,454 that Oswald was a staunch communist, 1581 01:12:50,454 --> 01:12:52,623 citing evidence of his defection 1582 01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:56,293 to the Soviet Union in 1959. 1583 01:12:56,293 --> 01:12:59,046 His trip to Russia raised a number of questions 1584 01:12:59,046 --> 01:13:00,756 that we wanted to get into. 1585 01:13:00,756 --> 01:13:07,555 For example, when any American went to Russia 1586 01:13:07,555 --> 01:13:10,140 and renounced his American citizenship, 1587 01:13:10,140 --> 01:13:12,643 and subsequently changed his mind 1588 01:13:12,643 --> 01:13:16,021 and wanted to come back to this country. 1589 01:13:16,021 --> 01:13:18,148 Upon returning to this country, 1590 01:13:18,148 --> 01:13:20,442 there was a thorough debriefing 1591 01:13:21,193 --> 01:13:24,113 by the CIA, 1592 01:13:24,113 --> 01:13:28,158 with one exception, as far as we can ascertain, Oswald. 1593 01:13:29,618 --> 01:13:32,496 Now, that smacks of an intelligence relationship. 1594 01:13:32,663 --> 01:13:33,914 [reporter] Did you kill the President? 1595 01:13:33,914 --> 01:13:35,416 No, they're taking me in 1596 01:13:35,416 --> 01:13:38,002 because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. 1597 01:13:39,753 --> 01:13:42,256 [Goldberg] State Department Intelligence 1598 01:13:42,464 --> 01:13:43,757 Officer Otto Otepka 1599 01:13:43,757 --> 01:13:47,136 had noted the marked increase in the number of Americans 1600 01:13:47,136 --> 01:13:49,638 defecting to Russia at the time. 1601 01:13:49,638 --> 01:13:53,559 He also noted that some of them came from the military. 1602 01:13:53,559 --> 01:13:56,729 He, therefore, suspected that some of these men 1603 01:13:56,896 --> 01:13:58,772 were fake defectors. 1604 01:13:58,772 --> 01:14:00,774 They had been assigned by the CIA 1605 01:14:00,774 --> 01:14:04,778 to garner intelligence behind the Iron Curtain. 1606 01:14:04,778 --> 01:14:09,283 He sent a letter to the CIA asking which ones were real 1607 01:14:09,283 --> 01:14:12,119 and which were their agents. 1608 01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:16,540 Oswald was one of the names on Otepka's list. 1609 01:14:16,540 --> 01:14:20,002 Otepka's request was forwarded to James Angleton, 1610 01:14:20,002 --> 01:14:21,837 Chief of Counterintelligence. 1611 01:14:21,837 --> 01:14:25,591 He instructed that there be no research done on Oswald, 1612 01:14:25,591 --> 01:14:29,803 but Otepka continued to work on the Oswald case. 1613 01:14:29,803 --> 01:14:31,597 The thing of significance 1614 01:14:31,764 --> 01:14:34,224 was that he was really interested in Lee Harvey Oswald 1615 01:14:34,224 --> 01:14:36,644 before the assassination, 1616 01:14:36,644 --> 01:14:41,482 and he actually had a study of these defectors in his safe. 1617 01:14:41,482 --> 01:14:44,610 Well, things got worse. His office was not only bugged, 1618 01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:47,237 they planted people in his office to spy on him. 1619 01:14:47,237 --> 01:14:51,241 They started putting confidential documents in his burn bag, 1620 01:14:51,241 --> 01:14:52,785 and then tried to blame him in saying 1621 01:14:52,785 --> 01:14:54,495 he's burning confidential documents. 1622 01:14:54,495 --> 01:14:56,538 The guy has gone, you know, wacko. 1623 01:14:56,705 --> 01:14:58,374 [Goldberg] As a result, 1624 01:14:58,540 --> 01:15:01,460 he was formally removed from the State Department 1625 01:15:01,460 --> 01:15:04,505 on November 5th, 1963, 1626 01:15:04,505 --> 01:15:07,800 just 17 days before the assassination. 1627 01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,470 So you will not see Otepka's name in the Warren Report. 1628 01:15:11,470 --> 01:15:15,099 And he was not called as a witness before that body. 1629 01:15:15,099 --> 01:15:17,559 In fact, Angleton, the man 1630 01:15:17,559 --> 01:15:21,730 who had access to all the Oswald files at the CIA, 1631 01:15:21,730 --> 01:15:23,899 coordinated the agency's response 1632 01:15:23,899 --> 01:15:27,277 to the Warren Commission's requests. 1633 01:15:27,444 --> 01:15:29,446 [reporter] The CIA Deputy Director 1634 01:15:29,655 --> 01:15:31,156 of Plans, Richard Helms, 1635 01:15:31,156 --> 01:15:32,825 swore to the Warren Commission 1636 01:15:32,825 --> 01:15:34,702 that the agency never had 1637 01:15:34,702 --> 01:15:38,080 or contemplated any contact with Oswald. 1638 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,083 The line that the CIA fed the Warren Commission, 1639 01:15:41,083 --> 01:15:43,460 that they really didn't know anything about this guy. 1640 01:15:43,627 --> 01:15:46,714 We now know that that was complete nonsense. 1641 01:15:46,714 --> 01:15:50,259 Oswald was a figure of intense interest 1642 01:15:50,259 --> 01:15:52,970 for four years before the assassination. 1643 01:15:52,970 --> 01:15:56,932 And a dozen senior CIA officers 1644 01:15:56,932 --> 01:15:58,684 were very well acquainted with him. 1645 01:15:58,851 --> 01:16:01,478 Everything he did, where he went, 1646 01:16:01,478 --> 01:16:04,023 what his politics were, his family life. 1647 01:16:04,023 --> 01:16:07,735 I mean, remember, they were reading his mother's mail. 1648 01:16:07,735 --> 01:16:09,862 That's how closely they were watching him 1649 01:16:09,862 --> 01:16:12,531 right up until Kennedy was killed. 1650 01:16:12,531 --> 01:16:15,117 And then Kennedy was killed, Oswald's arrested, 1651 01:16:15,284 --> 01:16:18,996 and they say, "Oh, we know nothing about this man." 1652 01:16:18,996 --> 01:16:22,666 [Goldberg] In fact, ARRB records show 1653 01:16:22,666 --> 01:16:27,004 that Angleton and the CIA were receiving reports on Oswald 1654 01:16:27,004 --> 01:16:30,758 up until one week before the assassination. 1655 01:16:30,924 --> 01:16:32,551 So, you know, the whole investigation 1656 01:16:32,718 --> 01:16:35,679 would have been totally different 1657 01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:38,974 if-- if the public and the investigators had known 1658 01:16:38,974 --> 01:16:42,644 just how much the CIA knew about the alleged lone nut. 1659 01:16:45,230 --> 01:16:48,650 [Goldberg] One of the places Oswald leafleted in front of 1660 01:16:48,650 --> 01:16:52,071 was Clay Shaw's International Trade Mart. 1661 01:16:52,071 --> 01:16:56,325 Shaw, who was arrested by New Orleans DA Jim Garrison 1662 01:16:56,492 --> 01:16:58,911 on charges that he was part of the conspiracy 1663 01:16:59,078 --> 01:17:00,996 to kill President Kennedy, 1664 01:17:00,996 --> 01:17:05,167 always denied he was associated with the CIA. 1665 01:17:05,167 --> 01:17:06,376 [interviewer] You have never yourself had 1666 01:17:06,585 --> 01:17:07,252 any CIA connection? 1667 01:17:07,252 --> 01:17:08,462 None whatsoever. 1668 01:17:08,462 --> 01:17:09,588 Any association with the organization? 1669 01:17:09,755 --> 01:17:10,881 Not a one. 1670 01:17:10,881 --> 01:17:12,758 [Goldberg] The Review Board has shown 1671 01:17:12,758 --> 01:17:15,177 these denials to be false. 1672 01:17:15,177 --> 01:17:18,680 Shaw was both a highly valued contract agent 1673 01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,225 and had a covert security clearance 1674 01:17:21,225 --> 01:17:25,062 for a project code named QKENCHANT. 1675 01:17:27,231 --> 01:17:29,274 New Orleans attorney Dean Andrews 1676 01:17:29,274 --> 01:17:32,027 had worked with Oswald in May of '63 1677 01:17:32,027 --> 01:17:35,405 in an attempt to upgrade his military discharge 1678 01:17:35,405 --> 01:17:37,825 from its "undesirable" status. 1679 01:17:37,991 --> 01:17:42,621 After the assassination, a man calling himself Clay Bertrand 1680 01:17:42,621 --> 01:17:46,208 phoned Andrews and asked him to consider going to Dallas 1681 01:17:46,375 --> 01:17:48,627 to defend Oswald. 1682 01:17:48,794 --> 01:17:52,840 Under oath, Clay Shaw denied that he was Clay Bertrand, 1683 01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:54,633 and Andrews claimed that because 1684 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,261 of the medication he was on, 1685 01:17:57,261 --> 01:17:59,888 he had only imagined the phone call. 1686 01:17:59,888 --> 01:18:02,391 But today, because of the work 1687 01:18:02,391 --> 01:18:04,768 of the Assassination Records Review Board, 1688 01:18:04,768 --> 01:18:08,147 we now have evidence and 12 people who confirmed 1689 01:18:08,147 --> 01:18:10,941 that Shaw used this name as an alias. 1690 01:18:10,941 --> 01:18:14,111 Andrews later admitted that Shaw was Bertrand 1691 01:18:14,111 --> 01:18:16,113 to author Harold Weisberg, 1692 01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:18,490 but made him promise not to reveal this 1693 01:18:18,657 --> 01:18:20,868 until after Andrews' death. 1694 01:18:24,121 --> 01:18:25,956 [John Newman] In the FBI, 1695 01:18:25,956 --> 01:18:30,752 uh, a stop or flash was placed on Oswald's files, 1696 01:18:30,752 --> 01:18:34,173 which meant that no one 1697 01:18:34,173 --> 01:18:37,176 could ask for a document in those files, 1698 01:18:37,176 --> 01:18:40,637 or no one could even add a document to those files 1699 01:18:40,637 --> 01:18:44,766 without going through the FBI's espionage division. 1700 01:18:44,766 --> 01:18:47,519 And that lasted for four years. 1701 01:18:47,686 --> 01:18:50,772 It was essentially a blinking red light 1702 01:18:50,772 --> 01:18:52,983 on Oswald's files at FBI. 1703 01:18:54,484 --> 01:18:57,905 On 8 October, 1963, 1704 01:18:58,071 --> 01:19:01,366 an FBI agent whose name was Marvin Gheesling 1705 01:19:01,533 --> 01:19:04,286 took that status off of Oswald's files. 1706 01:19:06,496 --> 01:19:08,999 What that action did was to lower 1707 01:19:08,999 --> 01:19:13,253 Oswald's threat profile at the FBI 1708 01:19:13,253 --> 01:19:16,840 just weeks before the Kennedy assassination. 1709 01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,718 And what that would mean is there was no reason 1710 01:19:19,718 --> 01:19:23,055 to put Oswald's name on the security index. 1711 01:19:23,055 --> 01:19:25,349 One thing about the security index 1712 01:19:25,349 --> 01:19:27,643 is when you have a Presidential motorcade 1713 01:19:27,643 --> 01:19:29,978 going through a particular route, 1714 01:19:30,145 --> 01:19:31,647 anybody who's on that index 1715 01:19:31,647 --> 01:19:33,440 has to be removed from where they are. 1716 01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:35,359 They cannot be on the parade route. 1717 01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:37,194 And, of course, that exposes 1718 01:19:37,361 --> 01:19:39,780 the President to a dangerous situation 1719 01:19:39,780 --> 01:19:41,406 that he shouldn't have been in. 1720 01:19:41,406 --> 01:19:44,576 That action at the FBI didn't happen in isolation. 1721 01:19:44,743 --> 01:19:49,581 The same thing happened at CIA at exactly the same time. 1722 01:19:49,748 --> 01:19:51,541 [Stone] Who was the CIA's liaison 1723 01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:52,834 they chose to work 1724 01:19:52,834 --> 01:19:56,213 with the House Select Committee in 1978? 1725 01:19:56,213 --> 01:19:57,172 George Joannides. 1726 01:19:57,339 --> 01:19:59,174 He was the case officer 1727 01:19:59,174 --> 01:20:01,009 for the Cuban students 1728 01:20:01,176 --> 01:20:03,595 who had a series of encounters with Oswald 1729 01:20:03,762 --> 01:20:05,430 before the assassination. 1730 01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:07,849 And then, 13 years later, 1731 01:20:07,849 --> 01:20:10,644 when Congress reopens the investigation, 1732 01:20:10,644 --> 01:20:13,438 the CIA calls Joannides out of retirement, 1733 01:20:13,438 --> 01:20:15,399 and make him the point person 1734 01:20:15,565 --> 01:20:17,901 to deal with the Congressional investigators 1735 01:20:17,901 --> 01:20:19,569 who are looking into the CIA's 1736 01:20:19,569 --> 01:20:22,406 possible role in the assassination. 1737 01:20:22,406 --> 01:20:24,783 The HSCA knew nothing about this, 1738 01:20:24,783 --> 01:20:26,410 and I went to Bob Blakey, 1739 01:20:26,410 --> 01:20:29,121 the head of the HSCA investigation, 1740 01:20:29,121 --> 01:20:31,540 and I said, "Bob, did you ever know this guy, Joannides?" 1741 01:20:31,540 --> 01:20:33,500 And he said, "Yeah, you know, we dealt with him a lot. 1742 01:20:33,500 --> 01:20:35,127 He was the liaison." 1743 01:20:35,127 --> 01:20:37,838 And I said, "Did you know what he was doing in 1963?" 1744 01:20:37,838 --> 01:20:40,007 And he said, "He wasn't doing anything in 1963. 1745 01:20:40,173 --> 01:20:41,633 "We had an agreement with the CIA 1746 01:20:41,633 --> 01:20:43,051 "that nobody who was operational 1747 01:20:43,051 --> 01:20:44,803 "at the time of the assassination 1748 01:20:44,803 --> 01:20:46,805 would be involved in the investigation." 1749 01:20:46,972 --> 01:20:50,684 And I said, "Bob, Joannides was running those Cubans 1750 01:20:50,684 --> 01:20:53,145 "who were in touch with Oswald. He was running the Cubans 1751 01:20:53,145 --> 01:20:55,439 "who were blaming Castro for the assassination. 1752 01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,984 "He was Dick Helms' hand-picked man in Miami, 1753 01:20:58,984 --> 01:21:01,820 "controlling the group that had the most to do with Oswald 1754 01:21:01,987 --> 01:21:04,114 "before and after the assassination. 1755 01:21:04,114 --> 01:21:06,366 And then he came along and he stonewalled you." 1756 01:21:06,366 --> 01:21:09,077 The reason why they brought Joannides in to do it 1757 01:21:09,077 --> 01:21:12,080 was to hide the connection to Oswald. 1758 01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,499 He was definitely shocked because 1759 01:21:14,499 --> 01:21:17,127 he saw just how clever they had been. 1760 01:21:17,127 --> 01:21:20,213 They had gone right to the heart of his investigation, 1761 01:21:20,213 --> 01:21:22,007 and figured out how to paralyze it. 1762 01:21:22,007 --> 01:21:23,717 I remember that he said, you know, 1763 01:21:23,717 --> 01:21:27,054 "I'll never believe anything the CIA tells me again." 1764 01:21:29,264 --> 01:21:30,849 [Goldberg] Even the Assassination Records 1765 01:21:31,058 --> 01:21:31,600 Review Board 1766 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,520 had trouble getting documents from government agencies. 1767 01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,107 What were some of your difficulties working with the CIA? 1768 01:21:39,107 --> 01:21:43,111 One of the censors at the CIA was at a meeting with us, 1769 01:21:43,111 --> 01:21:46,782 and there was a document that we put up on the screen 1770 01:21:46,782 --> 01:21:48,408 and said, "We are prepared to release it." 1771 01:21:49,451 --> 01:21:50,660 And I asked him, you know, 1772 01:21:50,827 --> 01:21:53,288 "Tell us why we shouldn't release this record?" 1773 01:21:53,288 --> 01:21:55,791 And it was silence for about two minutes. 1774 01:21:55,791 --> 01:21:58,919 And he finally said, "I know there is a reason, 1775 01:21:58,919 --> 01:22:01,380 I just can't think of what it is." 1776 01:22:02,756 --> 01:22:04,132 [Goldberg] In late 1992, 1777 01:22:04,299 --> 01:22:07,552 a month after the Records Act was passed, 1778 01:22:07,719 --> 01:22:11,264 the Secret Service began its compliance plan. 1779 01:22:11,264 --> 01:22:14,393 But by January of 1995, 1780 01:22:14,393 --> 01:22:18,146 it had begun destroying important documents. 1781 01:22:18,313 --> 01:22:21,316 The destruction of records is actually referenced 1782 01:22:21,316 --> 01:22:25,904 in the Assassination Records Review Board final, uh, report. 1783 01:22:25,904 --> 01:22:29,199 Very, um, very disappointing. 1784 01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:31,368 Uh, they were records that related to trips 1785 01:22:31,368 --> 01:22:35,914 that President Kennedy had taken, uh, in the fall of 1963 1786 01:22:35,914 --> 01:22:38,708 prior to him going to Dallas. 1787 01:22:38,708 --> 01:22:40,168 [John R. Tunheim] There were many threats made 1788 01:22:40,377 --> 01:22:41,336 to President Kennedy's life 1789 01:22:41,336 --> 01:22:43,463 during the year 1963. 1790 01:22:43,463 --> 01:22:45,173 They're called threat sheets. 1791 01:22:45,173 --> 01:22:47,008 And the Secret Service fought us 1792 01:22:47,008 --> 01:22:49,136 on release of those records. 1793 01:22:49,136 --> 01:22:50,554 They even enlisted 1794 01:22:50,554 --> 01:22:53,223 Vice President Gore's wife to help them, 1795 01:22:53,223 --> 01:22:55,809 because she had a very legitimate concern 1796 01:22:55,809 --> 01:22:57,352 for mental health records. 1797 01:22:57,519 --> 01:23:00,981 And the idea was that this might disclose the names of people 1798 01:23:00,981 --> 01:23:02,899 who had mental health problems. 1799 01:23:02,899 --> 01:23:06,069 In the end, when we required agencies to disclose, 1800 01:23:06,069 --> 01:23:08,071 to swear under oath that they had 1801 01:23:08,071 --> 01:23:09,990 located all assassination records, 1802 01:23:10,157 --> 01:23:12,242 had turned everything over to us, 1803 01:23:12,409 --> 01:23:16,663 the Secret Service refused to sign the document under oath. 1804 01:23:16,663 --> 01:23:17,873 I think that was telling. 1805 01:23:19,624 --> 01:23:22,586 [Goldberg] Few people knew that there had been at least 1806 01:23:22,586 --> 01:23:27,174 two prior plots to kill President Kennedy in 1963. 1807 01:23:27,174 --> 01:23:29,885 One was in Chicago on November 2nd. 1808 01:23:29,885 --> 01:23:33,680 The second was in Tampa on November 18th. 1809 01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,433 Kennedy ended up not going to Chicago. 1810 01:23:36,433 --> 01:23:37,934 Tell us about that plot. 1811 01:23:37,934 --> 01:23:41,438 An informant, on October 31st, 1812 01:23:41,438 --> 01:23:45,942 an informant named Lee gave a warning to the FBI 1813 01:23:45,942 --> 01:23:48,862 stating that four Cubans 1814 01:23:48,862 --> 01:23:51,239 were headed to Chicago to shoot Kennedy. 1815 01:23:51,406 --> 01:23:55,160 The following day, a landlady reported to the Chicago police 1816 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,871 that she had rented a room to four people 1817 01:23:57,871 --> 01:23:59,956 that had rifles with telescopic sights 1818 01:23:59,956 --> 01:24:01,917 and a sketch of the motorcade. 1819 01:24:02,083 --> 01:24:05,128 The FBI passed that on to the Secret Service, 1820 01:24:05,295 --> 01:24:08,632 and the Secret Service botched the surveillance 1821 01:24:08,632 --> 01:24:09,883 of these four individuals. 1822 01:24:09,883 --> 01:24:11,301 Two of them escaped, 1823 01:24:11,468 --> 01:24:13,720 but they actually picked up two of the snipers, 1824 01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:14,888 and they detained them. 1825 01:24:15,055 --> 01:24:17,390 They were stonewalled by the snipers. 1826 01:24:17,390 --> 01:24:19,142 They didn't get any information out of them. 1827 01:24:19,142 --> 01:24:22,521 While this was going on, there was another threat coming in 1828 01:24:22,687 --> 01:24:27,692 from another alternate patsy named Thomas Arthur Vallee, 1829 01:24:27,692 --> 01:24:29,110 who was making open and loud threats 1830 01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:31,738 that he would assassinate Kennedy. 1831 01:24:31,738 --> 01:24:35,325 They only picked him up when Kennedy canceled his trip, 1832 01:24:35,325 --> 01:24:38,912 on November 2nd at 10:00 in the morning. 1833 01:24:39,079 --> 01:24:43,333 What you found in Vallee and the whole Chicago plot 1834 01:24:43,333 --> 01:24:47,087 is so many similarities to what eventually happened in Dallas 1835 01:24:47,254 --> 01:24:50,131 that it can't be considered coincidental. 1836 01:24:50,131 --> 01:24:54,553 Vallee, if we compare him to Oswald, is an ex-Marine. 1837 01:24:54,553 --> 01:24:57,305 He had been posted, like Oswald, in the Far East 1838 01:24:57,472 --> 01:25:00,642 on a station that was linked to the CIA 1839 01:25:00,642 --> 01:25:03,853 because there were U-2 surveillance planes on it. 1840 01:25:03,853 --> 01:25:07,816 It was easy to portray him as disgruntled, anti-Kennedy, 1841 01:25:07,816 --> 01:25:09,693 a loner, armed. 1842 01:25:09,693 --> 01:25:12,404 Uh, he had another intelligence link 1843 01:25:12,404 --> 01:25:14,990 that he shared with Oswald. 1844 01:25:15,156 --> 01:25:17,784 He trained Cuban exiles for combat, 1845 01:25:17,784 --> 01:25:20,412 which was a CIA responsibility. 1846 01:25:20,412 --> 01:25:23,665 And Oswald, we know, at least offered to do that. 1847 01:25:23,665 --> 01:25:27,794 He most likely did train Cuban exiles, but we know he tried to. 1848 01:25:27,794 --> 01:25:29,963 Oswald, as we know, was moved 1849 01:25:30,130 --> 01:25:33,842 from New Orleans to Dallas in October 1850 01:25:33,842 --> 01:25:35,302 to be there just at the right time... 1851 01:25:36,386 --> 01:25:37,846 for the motorcade. 1852 01:25:37,846 --> 01:25:41,057 And he's placed in a tall building, where he gets a job. 1853 01:25:41,057 --> 01:25:44,352 He's adjacent to the perfect kill zone. 1854 01:25:44,352 --> 01:25:47,272 Now, if we look at what happened to, uh, Vallee, 1855 01:25:47,272 --> 01:25:50,025 he's moved like a pawn, in August, 1856 01:25:50,025 --> 01:25:53,028 from Long Island to Chicago 1857 01:25:53,028 --> 01:25:54,904 to be there in time for the motorcade. 1858 01:25:54,904 --> 01:25:56,364 And where does he get a job? 1859 01:25:56,364 --> 01:25:59,784 In a tall building adjacent to the motorcade 1860 01:25:59,784 --> 01:26:02,454 with a perfect view of a kill zone. 1861 01:26:02,454 --> 01:26:05,040 It would have forced Kennedy's motorcade 1862 01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,500 to do a sharp turn, slow down, 1863 01:26:07,500 --> 01:26:08,710 and be in a point 1864 01:26:08,710 --> 01:26:11,796 where you could've had perfect triangulation of fire. 1865 01:26:11,796 --> 01:26:13,256 And what about the trip to Florida? 1866 01:26:13,423 --> 01:26:14,883 On November 18th, 1867 01:26:14,883 --> 01:26:17,135 Kennedy was scheduled 1868 01:26:17,135 --> 01:26:19,596 to do a 27-mile-long motorcade in Tampa. 1869 01:26:19,596 --> 01:26:24,100 Secret Service was very nervous about the Floridian Hotel 1870 01:26:24,267 --> 01:26:25,935 where the motorcade would've gone by. 1871 01:26:25,935 --> 01:26:27,312 It would have forced a sharp turn. 1872 01:26:27,312 --> 01:26:30,357 Nobody fired away at him. But in this case, 1873 01:26:30,357 --> 01:26:34,653 the patsy would've been a Gilbert Policarpo Lopez. 1874 01:26:34,653 --> 01:26:36,237 He was a Cuban exile. 1875 01:26:36,404 --> 01:26:40,492 He attended Fair Play for Cuba Committee meetings. 1876 01:26:40,492 --> 01:26:43,495 And what do you think was the relevance of it? 1877 01:26:43,495 --> 01:26:45,080 [Paul Bleau] Well, if he had been 1878 01:26:45,288 --> 01:26:46,498 assassinated in Tampa, 1879 01:26:46,498 --> 01:26:49,501 Lopez, he would've been the, uh, potential patsy, 1880 01:26:49,501 --> 01:26:52,879 if they had to admit to a front shot... 1881 01:26:52,879 --> 01:26:55,131 because Oswald was behind. 1882 01:26:55,131 --> 01:26:58,927 There were rumors that he had assisted Oswald 1883 01:26:58,927 --> 01:27:00,595 in the assassination in Dallas. 1884 01:27:00,595 --> 01:27:03,765 Had anyone-- anyone tried to speak to the Warren Commission 1885 01:27:03,765 --> 01:27:05,600 about these incidents? 1886 01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,602 [Bleau] Abraham Bolden 1887 01:27:07,602 --> 01:27:10,188 was the first Black Secret Service agent 1888 01:27:10,188 --> 01:27:12,232 assigned to the White House detail, 1889 01:27:12,232 --> 01:27:14,192 and he was hand-picked by Kennedy. 1890 01:27:14,192 --> 01:27:16,778 He was in Chicago, uh, when this plot went down. 1891 01:27:16,778 --> 01:27:20,573 So he was there when the Secret Service was briefed 1892 01:27:20,573 --> 01:27:22,242 about the four snipers. 1893 01:27:22,242 --> 01:27:24,452 And he witnessed how much 1894 01:27:24,452 --> 01:27:27,580 the security was lax for Chicago. 1895 01:27:27,580 --> 01:27:31,000 And he also witnessed, after the assassination, 1896 01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,128 the steps that were taken to keep 1897 01:27:33,128 --> 01:27:36,005 the Chicago plot completely secret. 1898 01:27:36,005 --> 01:27:38,299 No paper trail, compartmentalized, 1899 01:27:38,299 --> 01:27:41,010 agents ordered to keep silent about it. 1900 01:27:41,010 --> 01:27:43,763 This information did not make its way 1901 01:27:43,763 --> 01:27:45,974 to Secret Service agents 1902 01:27:45,974 --> 01:27:48,226 that were protecting Kennedy 1903 01:27:48,226 --> 01:27:50,562 for future motorcades, including Dallas. 1904 01:27:50,562 --> 01:27:52,605 [Goldberg] Secret Service Agent Elmer Moore 1905 01:27:52,605 --> 01:27:57,110 was aware of Agent Bolden and the Chicago plot. 1906 01:27:57,277 --> 01:28:00,363 I met with Elmer three times face-to-face, 1907 01:28:00,530 --> 01:28:03,658 several phone calls, very short, one very long one. 1908 01:28:03,658 --> 01:28:07,746 I first asked him, "Did you ever interview 1909 01:28:07,746 --> 01:28:09,330 Thomas Arthur Vallee?" 1910 01:28:09,330 --> 01:28:11,207 And he says, "Oh, Washington 1911 01:28:11,207 --> 01:28:13,209 wouldn't let me see the files on that." 1912 01:28:13,376 --> 01:28:15,837 I said, "Oh, well, what about a man, 1913 01:28:16,004 --> 01:28:18,590 a Secret Service agent by the name of Abraham Bolden?" 1914 01:28:20,049 --> 01:28:22,677 His demeanor completely changed. 1915 01:28:22,677 --> 01:28:26,514 He stood up from his chair, he pulled out his revolver, 1916 01:28:26,514 --> 01:28:29,559 and he put it on the table right in front of me. 1917 01:28:29,559 --> 01:28:32,312 He leaned over the table and he says, 1918 01:28:32,312 --> 01:28:35,273 "Jim, tell me right now, who are you working for?" 1919 01:28:38,067 --> 01:28:40,987 I said, "I'm an independent researcher." 1920 01:28:41,488 --> 01:28:42,572 He told me... 1921 01:28:45,116 --> 01:28:46,493 in a very loud voice... 1922 01:28:48,244 --> 01:28:51,039 and with a very stern look on his face, 1923 01:28:51,039 --> 01:28:54,083 "We finally got him." 1924 01:28:54,083 --> 01:28:55,960 [Bleau] Abraham Bolden was one person 1925 01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:57,670 who did try to say what he knew 1926 01:28:57,670 --> 01:29:00,882 to the Warren Commission, but they blocked him. 1927 01:29:00,882 --> 01:29:02,550 He was blocked from talking 1928 01:29:02,550 --> 01:29:06,179 and eventually railroaded into some phony crime 1929 01:29:06,179 --> 01:29:08,014 and put into jail for a number of years. 1930 01:29:12,519 --> 01:29:14,229 [Stone] The National Archives is home 1931 01:29:14,437 --> 01:29:15,522 to forensic evidence 1932 01:29:15,522 --> 01:29:17,732 of Kennedy's assassination, 1933 01:29:17,732 --> 01:29:21,152 and government files regarding Lee Harvey Oswald. 1934 01:29:21,152 --> 01:29:23,530 But the Review Board also declassified 1935 01:29:23,530 --> 01:29:26,032 many documents regarding Kennedy's plans 1936 01:29:26,032 --> 01:29:27,742 for withdrawal from Vietnam, 1937 01:29:27,742 --> 01:29:30,119 and how he planned to shape his progressive, 1938 01:29:30,119 --> 01:29:33,081 new American foreign policy. 1939 01:29:33,081 --> 01:29:35,542 A policy that, if put in motion, 1940 01:29:35,542 --> 01:29:38,878 would completely derail plans secretly already set up 1941 01:29:39,045 --> 01:29:40,964 by the Pentagon and the CIA. 1942 01:29:46,302 --> 01:29:49,430 I never realized Kennedy was so dangerous to the establishment. 1943 01:29:50,932 --> 01:29:53,184 Is that why? 1944 01:29:53,184 --> 01:29:54,519 That's the real question, isn't it? 1945 01:29:54,519 --> 01:29:55,937 "Why?" 1946 01:29:56,104 --> 01:30:00,316 The "how" and the "who" is just scenery for the public. 1947 01:30:00,316 --> 01:30:03,486 Oswald, Ruby, Cuba, the Mafia, 1948 01:30:03,653 --> 01:30:05,697 keeps 'em guessing like some kind of parlor game. 1949 01:30:05,697 --> 01:30:09,117 Prevents 'em from asking the most important question: "Why?" 1950 01:30:09,117 --> 01:30:12,287 Why was Kennedy killed? Who benefited? 1951 01:30:12,453 --> 01:30:14,163 Who has the power to cover it up? 1952 01:30:14,706 --> 01:30:15,623 Who? 1953 01:30:18,334 --> 01:30:19,961 [Donald Sutherland] His first year in office, 1954 01:30:19,961 --> 01:30:23,590 Kennedy must shape his own policy as President, 1955 01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:26,926 sometimes in conflict with what his predecessors have done, 1956 01:30:26,926 --> 01:30:29,929 especially in foreign policy. 1957 01:30:30,096 --> 01:30:35,685 And by the fall of 1963, Kennedy had made many enemies. 1958 01:30:35,685 --> 01:30:39,314 He was working on an American withdrawal from Vietnam. 1959 01:30:39,314 --> 01:30:42,734 An upcoming State visit to Indonesia in '64. 1960 01:30:42,734 --> 01:30:46,946 An independent, unified democracy in the Congo. 1961 01:30:46,946 --> 01:30:50,617 Through Nasser, a balanced policy in the Middle East. 1962 01:30:50,617 --> 01:30:53,912 Normalization of relations with Cuba. 1963 01:30:53,912 --> 01:30:56,956 And a détente with Russia. 1964 01:30:56,956 --> 01:31:00,084 Even going so far as to offer them a joint mission to the moon. 1965 01:31:01,210 --> 01:31:04,464 But back in April of 1961, 1966 01:31:04,464 --> 01:31:07,759 the first stain on his administration asserted itself. 1967 01:31:09,761 --> 01:31:12,847 Kennedy, who had campaigned as a strong anti-Communist, 1968 01:31:12,847 --> 01:31:15,934 signed off on the Bay of Pigs invasion plan. 1969 01:31:15,934 --> 01:31:17,310 His approval of the plan 1970 01:31:17,310 --> 01:31:19,729 contained two distinct limitations. 1971 01:31:19,729 --> 01:31:22,690 America would supply arms and equipment, 1972 01:31:22,690 --> 01:31:25,610 but there would be no Americans in the landing force. 1973 01:31:25,610 --> 01:31:27,946 Second, after preliminary air strikes 1974 01:31:28,112 --> 01:31:29,948 by Cuban exile pilots, 1975 01:31:30,114 --> 01:31:32,200 there would only be further strikes 1976 01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:34,535 after the invasion secured an airfield. 1977 01:31:36,162 --> 01:31:38,247 Dulles believed that Kennedy would, 1978 01:31:38,247 --> 01:31:40,416 like Eisenhower, support the operation 1979 01:31:40,416 --> 01:31:44,003 with direct US military intervention if needed, 1980 01:31:44,003 --> 01:31:47,256 all the while assuring him it would not be necessary. 1981 01:31:48,508 --> 01:31:50,426 Well, first, I want to say that 1982 01:31:50,426 --> 01:31:53,221 there will not be, under any conditions, 1983 01:31:53,221 --> 01:31:56,182 be an intervention in Cuba by United States armed forces. 1984 01:32:13,366 --> 01:32:15,660 [Sutherland] The invasion was a disaster. 1985 01:32:15,827 --> 01:32:19,038 Victory has 100 fathers and defeat is an orphan. 1986 01:32:19,038 --> 01:32:20,957 Further statements, uh... 1987 01:32:20,957 --> 01:32:23,001 detailed, uh, discussions, 1988 01:32:24,669 --> 01:32:28,131 are not to, uh, conceal responsibility 1989 01:32:28,131 --> 01:32:30,925 because I'm the responsible officer of the Government. 1990 01:32:30,925 --> 01:32:34,345 [Sutherland] In public, Kennedy accepted the blame. 1991 01:32:34,345 --> 01:32:36,305 In private, he and his brother suspected 1992 01:32:36,305 --> 01:32:38,933 they had been lied to by the CIA. 1993 01:32:38,933 --> 01:32:43,396 Allen Dulles confessed that the mission was bound to fail 1994 01:32:43,396 --> 01:32:45,314 as it was planned by the CIA, 1995 01:32:45,314 --> 01:32:47,692 without US military support. 1996 01:32:47,692 --> 01:32:50,194 He confessed this while, uh, preparing 1997 01:32:50,194 --> 01:32:52,155 an article for Harper's Magazine 1998 01:32:52,155 --> 01:32:54,323 with the young editor, Willie Morris, 1999 01:32:54,323 --> 01:32:58,161 that he couldn't have done this with his small group of exiles, 2000 01:32:58,161 --> 01:32:59,579 his Cuban brigade. 2001 01:32:59,579 --> 01:33:02,665 He needed the Marines and the Air Force to go in, 2002 01:33:02,665 --> 01:33:05,334 and he thought Kennedy was going to be young and pliable, 2003 01:33:05,501 --> 01:33:08,296 and that in the 11th hour, Kennedy would be forced 2004 01:33:08,296 --> 01:33:11,799 to send in, uh, the full might of the US military. 2005 01:33:11,799 --> 01:33:15,261 [Sutherland] While drafting the article in 1965, 2006 01:33:15,261 --> 01:33:16,971 Dulles told his editor, 2007 01:33:17,138 --> 01:33:20,808 "That Kennedy-- He thought he was a God." 2008 01:33:20,808 --> 01:33:22,977 [David Talbot] Jack Kennedy did stand firm. 2009 01:33:22,977 --> 01:33:24,896 He did not send in the military. 2010 01:33:24,896 --> 01:33:27,774 He did not make it an even bigger global crisis 2011 01:33:27,774 --> 01:33:29,108 than it already was. 2012 01:33:29,108 --> 01:33:31,569 Kennedy is just furious. 2013 01:33:31,569 --> 01:33:32,945 He knows he's been lied to, 2014 01:33:33,112 --> 01:33:37,408 deceived by his senior military and intelligence advisers. 2015 01:33:37,408 --> 01:33:41,746 He announces that the agency, uh, is going to be downsized. 2016 01:33:41,746 --> 01:33:44,874 And he vows famously, he tells friends 2017 01:33:44,874 --> 01:33:47,919 he's going to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces 2018 01:33:47,919 --> 01:33:50,588 and scatter it to the winds. 2019 01:33:50,588 --> 01:33:54,175 It wasn't just the Bay of Pigs that angered President Kennedy 2020 01:33:54,175 --> 01:33:55,760 when it came to the CIA. 2021 01:33:55,927 --> 01:33:59,597 In that same month, in April of 1961, 2022 01:33:59,597 --> 01:34:03,684 he was also being lied to about a coup in France, 2023 01:34:03,684 --> 01:34:05,269 a military coup that was aimed at 2024 01:34:05,269 --> 01:34:08,064 overthrowing President Charles de Gaulle, 2025 01:34:08,064 --> 01:34:10,483 one of our strongest allies. 2026 01:34:10,483 --> 01:34:12,443 [Sutherland] Allen Dulles, who had a long history 2027 01:34:12,443 --> 01:34:14,904 of antagonism with de Gaulle, 2028 01:34:14,904 --> 01:34:16,197 falsely reported to Kennedy 2029 01:34:16,364 --> 01:34:19,075 that the vast majority of the French military 2030 01:34:19,075 --> 01:34:21,619 was staunchly opposed to de Gaulle's support 2031 01:34:21,786 --> 01:34:25,164 of Algerian self-determination. 2032 01:34:25,164 --> 01:34:29,627 What he didn't tell him was that as far back as 1959, 2033 01:34:29,627 --> 01:34:32,839 the CIA had discussed his overthrow. 2034 01:34:32,839 --> 01:34:36,676 This coup attempt, orchestrated by four French generals, 2035 01:34:36,676 --> 01:34:38,386 was quickly put down. 2036 01:34:38,386 --> 01:34:42,265 And several news reports pointed to Allen Dulles' hand 2037 01:34:42,265 --> 01:34:44,767 in supporting the episode. 2038 01:34:44,767 --> 01:34:46,811 JFK assures the French ambassador, 2039 01:34:46,978 --> 01:34:48,855 "I have nothing to do with this. 2040 01:34:48,855 --> 01:34:52,108 I stand in full support of President de Gaulle." 2041 01:34:52,108 --> 01:34:54,443 But he says something very, very alarming. 2042 01:34:54,443 --> 01:34:57,864 He tells the French ambassador, President Kennedy, 2043 01:34:57,864 --> 01:35:01,742 that "I'm not in full control, though, of my entire government. 2044 01:35:01,742 --> 01:35:03,953 "I'm not in control of the CIA 2045 01:35:03,953 --> 01:35:06,372 and I can't speak for what's happening there." 2046 01:35:06,372 --> 01:35:10,084 That's a stunning admission for a US President to make. 2047 01:35:11,752 --> 01:35:13,296 [Sutherland] In 1960, 2048 01:35:13,462 --> 01:35:16,507 the Congo had been granted its independence 2049 01:35:16,507 --> 01:35:18,259 from Belgian colonial rule 2050 01:35:18,259 --> 01:35:21,345 and carried out a democratic election. 2051 01:35:21,345 --> 01:35:23,764 In the disorder of the transition, 2052 01:35:23,764 --> 01:35:26,642 the Belgians, backed by England and France, 2053 01:35:26,642 --> 01:35:29,562 sought to eliminate its charismatic Prime Minister, 2054 01:35:29,562 --> 01:35:31,731 Patrice Lumumba. 2055 01:35:31,731 --> 01:35:34,942 Eisenhower and CIA Director Allen Dulles 2056 01:35:34,942 --> 01:35:39,572 favored the European nation in this colonial conflict. 2057 01:35:39,572 --> 01:35:43,951 Eisenhower gave the go-ahead to have Lumumba assassinated. 2058 01:35:44,911 --> 01:35:46,329 Kennedy never knew this. 2059 01:35:46,329 --> 01:35:51,167 He gets elected the following November of 1960, 2060 01:35:51,167 --> 01:35:54,337 and he heads in the opposite direction. 2061 01:35:54,337 --> 01:35:56,339 To those new states whom we welcome 2062 01:35:56,339 --> 01:35:59,258 to the ranks of the free, 2063 01:35:59,258 --> 01:36:05,223 we pledge our word that one form of colonial control 2064 01:36:05,223 --> 01:36:08,226 shall not have passed away 2065 01:36:08,226 --> 01:36:13,064 merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. 2066 01:36:13,064 --> 01:36:15,441 [Sutherland] But events are already in motion. 2067 01:36:15,441 --> 01:36:18,778 With the backing of British and US intelligence and arms, 2068 01:36:18,778 --> 01:36:22,823 Col. Joseph Mobutu's forces captured President Lumumba 2069 01:36:22,823 --> 01:36:26,118 at the beginning of December 1960. 2070 01:36:26,118 --> 01:36:27,620 [Richard Mahoney] Dag Hammarskjold, 2071 01:36:27,620 --> 01:36:30,831 the UN Secretary General, calls JFK, 2072 01:36:30,831 --> 01:36:33,000 uh, who's the President-elect at this point, 2073 01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:34,794 and asked him to intercede 2074 01:36:34,961 --> 01:36:37,797 to get Lumumba released from prison. 2075 01:36:37,797 --> 01:36:41,926 When Kennedy intervenes to save Lumumba, 2076 01:36:41,926 --> 01:36:45,221 that's a signal directly to the CIA 2077 01:36:45,221 --> 01:36:48,432 that they have to dispatch this guy immediately. 2078 01:36:48,432 --> 01:36:52,603 And so 48 hours before Kennedy takes the oath of office, 2079 01:36:52,770 --> 01:36:56,148 Lumumba is delivered into the hands of his enemies. 2080 01:36:56,148 --> 01:36:58,317 He's taken out and shot in the head. 2081 01:36:58,317 --> 01:37:01,279 Kennedy doesn't know this until months later. 2082 01:37:01,279 --> 01:37:02,655 Who finally tells him? 2083 01:37:02,655 --> 01:37:05,283 The CIA? No, they still keep it a secret. 2084 01:37:05,449 --> 01:37:09,287 He's informed by his UN ambassador, Adlai Stevenson. 2085 01:37:09,287 --> 01:37:11,914 His face crumples, he's holding his hand, 2086 01:37:11,914 --> 01:37:13,791 he's grimacing in anguish, 2087 01:37:13,791 --> 01:37:17,920 hearing about the assassination of Patrice Lumumba. 2088 01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:19,088 [Sutherland] Within a very short 2089 01:37:19,255 --> 01:37:21,549 period of time after the assassination, 2090 01:37:21,549 --> 01:37:25,720 Hammarskjold died in a mysterious plane crash. 2091 01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:27,471 The photographs show his body 2092 01:37:27,471 --> 01:37:30,433 as the only one not burned or charred, 2093 01:37:30,433 --> 01:37:34,520 and he had a playing card, reportedly the ace of spades, 2094 01:37:34,687 --> 01:37:38,524 stuffed into his shirt collar above the knot of the tie. 2095 01:37:38,524 --> 01:37:40,651 There are controversial documents 2096 01:37:40,651 --> 01:37:42,570 that indicate Allen Dulles 2097 01:37:42,570 --> 01:37:44,697 was involved in the sabotage of the plane. 2098 01:37:47,283 --> 01:37:49,076 [Lisa Pease] John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles, 2099 01:37:49,243 --> 01:37:51,454 they felt, you know, what they had to say 2100 01:37:51,620 --> 01:37:53,998 was good enough for the rest of the world, 2101 01:37:53,998 --> 01:37:55,666 that they knew more than the President. 2102 01:37:55,666 --> 01:37:57,793 There were things they didn't tell Eisenhower 2103 01:37:57,793 --> 01:38:00,713 that they were doing under his administration. 2104 01:38:00,713 --> 01:38:02,798 [Talbot] And actually, Jack Kennedy 2105 01:38:02,798 --> 01:38:05,926 does move to decapitate the top of the CIA. 2106 01:38:06,093 --> 01:38:08,554 He lets it be known that Allen Dulles, 2107 01:38:08,554 --> 01:38:10,806 as well as his two top advisers, 2108 01:38:10,806 --> 01:38:12,224 Richard Bissell, 2109 01:38:12,224 --> 01:38:14,769 who is also very involved with the Bay of Pigs, 2110 01:38:14,769 --> 01:38:16,395 and General Cabell, 2111 01:38:16,562 --> 01:38:19,231 who was, uh, the right-hand man to Allen Dulles. 2112 01:38:19,231 --> 01:38:21,150 So the top three people in the CIA, 2113 01:38:21,317 --> 01:38:25,154 Kennedy forces them out before the end of the year. 2114 01:38:25,154 --> 01:38:27,990 Have you ever committed any act of violence in your life? 2115 01:38:31,118 --> 01:38:32,119 No. 2116 01:38:34,205 --> 01:38:35,748 [Sutherland] The existence of communism 2117 01:38:35,915 --> 01:38:37,666 so close to American shores 2118 01:38:37,666 --> 01:38:40,628 kept Cuba on Kennedy's plate. 2119 01:38:40,628 --> 01:38:43,547 And the Joint Chiefs of Staff presented a plan to Kennedy 2120 01:38:43,714 --> 01:38:45,883 called Operation Northwoods, 2121 01:38:45,883 --> 01:38:48,177 whereby the CIA would secretly perform 2122 01:38:48,177 --> 01:38:50,763 terrorist acts in the United States 2123 01:38:50,930 --> 01:38:52,765 and blame them on Castro 2124 01:38:52,765 --> 01:38:55,726 to justify bombings and an invasion of Cuba. 2125 01:38:55,893 --> 01:38:58,020 And you see all these plans 2126 01:38:58,020 --> 01:39:00,606 being sent to McNamara and to Kennedy. 2127 01:39:00,606 --> 01:39:02,108 [Horne] "Fake an attack by Cubans 2128 01:39:02,108 --> 01:39:03,818 against the Guantanamo Bay sentries. 2129 01:39:03,818 --> 01:39:06,237 Sink a US ship in Guantanamo Bay 2130 01:39:06,237 --> 01:39:07,405 and blame it on Cuba." 2131 01:39:07,571 --> 01:39:12,368 The one that scares me the most was very sophisticated. 2132 01:39:12,368 --> 01:39:16,247 Uh, take an airliner and fly it as a drone over Cuba 2133 01:39:16,247 --> 01:39:17,748 without any people in it, 2134 01:39:17,748 --> 01:39:19,166 with a tape-recording that would play, 2135 01:39:19,166 --> 01:39:20,626 "We're under attack by Cuban aircraft! 2136 01:39:20,793 --> 01:39:22,628 "Oh, my God, they're going to kill us!" 2137 01:39:22,795 --> 01:39:23,838 Blow up the airplane! 2138 01:39:23,838 --> 01:39:25,756 Blow up this huge drone 2139 01:39:25,756 --> 01:39:29,301 and use that to start a war. 2140 01:39:29,301 --> 01:39:31,679 [Sutherland] The President declined the recommendation. 2141 01:39:33,097 --> 01:39:34,849 The Northwoods plan was our big find 2142 01:39:35,015 --> 01:39:36,434 in the way of military records. 2143 01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:37,601 They are universally recognized today 2144 01:39:37,768 --> 01:39:39,520 for their importance. 2145 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:41,647 It's one of those releases that the Review Board members, 2146 01:39:41,647 --> 01:39:44,859 the board members themselves were justifiably proud of 2147 01:39:44,859 --> 01:39:46,777 that came out of the JFK Records Act. 2148 01:39:48,863 --> 01:39:51,449 [Stone] In addition to the problems with the CIA, 2149 01:39:51,449 --> 01:39:54,660 Kennedy's own military advisers started pressuring him 2150 01:39:54,660 --> 01:39:55,995 to send troops to Vietnam. 2151 01:39:56,162 --> 01:39:58,289 A country that Kennedy had visited 2152 01:39:58,289 --> 01:40:00,207 10 years earlier as a Congressman, 2153 01:40:00,207 --> 01:40:02,793 and witnessed firsthand how the French 2154 01:40:02,793 --> 01:40:04,462 were losing their war 2155 01:40:04,628 --> 01:40:07,798 against the Viet Minh in the fight for independence. 2156 01:40:07,798 --> 01:40:09,383 Once he became President, 2157 01:40:09,383 --> 01:40:12,636 Kennedy wanted to avoid the same trap. 2158 01:40:12,803 --> 01:40:16,140 The Vietnam decision is finally arrived at, 2159 01:40:16,140 --> 01:40:17,850 which is NSAM 111, 2160 01:40:17,850 --> 01:40:20,644 where Kennedy says no combat troops 2161 01:40:20,644 --> 01:40:22,480 but will increase the advisers. 2162 01:40:22,646 --> 01:40:25,566 And that was his decision, in the Kennedy presidency. 2163 01:40:25,566 --> 01:40:28,110 Never to cross that line. 2164 01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:32,615 [Sutherland] Near the end of his first year in office, 2165 01:40:32,615 --> 01:40:34,033 Kennedy received a report 2166 01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:36,869 from Walt Rostow and General Maxwell Taylor, 2167 01:40:36,869 --> 01:40:39,038 his foreign policy and military advisers, 2168 01:40:39,038 --> 01:40:40,539 that called for increased training 2169 01:40:40,539 --> 01:40:42,625 of South Vietnamese troops, 2170 01:40:42,625 --> 01:40:44,543 increased bombings of the North, 2171 01:40:44,543 --> 01:40:47,755 and the use of US combat troops. 2172 01:40:47,755 --> 01:40:49,215 The influence on Kennedy's reluctance 2173 01:40:49,381 --> 01:40:51,509 to committing ground troops 2174 01:40:51,509 --> 01:40:55,387 was his ambassador to India, John Kenneth Galbraith. 2175 01:40:55,387 --> 01:40:58,432 [James K. Galbraith] My father went to see, uh, Walt Rostow. 2176 01:40:58,432 --> 01:40:59,850 He went in to talk to him. 2177 01:41:00,017 --> 01:41:03,938 Rostow gestured on his desk to the, uh, pile of papers. 2178 01:41:03,938 --> 01:41:07,149 The Rostow Taylor report was plainly visible. 2179 01:41:07,149 --> 01:41:09,109 Uh, my father asked to see it. 2180 01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:10,861 Walt said that his security classification 2181 01:41:11,028 --> 01:41:13,072 wasn't sufficiently high. 2182 01:41:13,072 --> 01:41:14,740 My father did not think that 2183 01:41:14,740 --> 01:41:18,452 Walt Rostow's security classification was higher than his. 2184 01:41:18,452 --> 01:41:21,121 Uh, and at the given moment, uh, the phone rang. 2185 01:41:21,121 --> 01:41:23,123 Walt turned to-- to answer the phone 2186 01:41:23,123 --> 01:41:25,334 and-- and Dad picked up the report 2187 01:41:25,334 --> 01:41:28,295 and walked out of the office and read it. 2188 01:41:28,295 --> 01:41:30,548 [Sutherland] Kennedy sent Galbraith to Saigon 2189 01:41:30,714 --> 01:41:33,551 to write a report that would differ in its recommendations 2190 01:41:33,551 --> 01:41:37,763 from what Taylor and Rostow had given to him. 2191 01:41:37,763 --> 01:41:39,390 Kennedy knew what he wanted 2192 01:41:39,390 --> 01:41:41,058 and he knew what my father would deliver, which he did, 2193 01:41:41,058 --> 01:41:43,561 which is a very detailed and skeptical report 2194 01:41:43,561 --> 01:41:46,355 about the efficiency of the South Vietnamese government, 2195 01:41:46,355 --> 01:41:49,733 about the capacity of any military force 2196 01:41:49,733 --> 01:41:52,361 to prevail in the security situation 2197 01:41:52,361 --> 01:41:55,155 that was in existence in South Vietnam at that time. 2198 01:41:55,155 --> 01:41:56,490 [Sutherland] Kennedy told Galbraith 2199 01:41:56,657 --> 01:42:00,077 to deliver his report to Defense Secretary McNamara, 2200 01:42:00,077 --> 01:42:02,413 and he, in turn, gave instructions 2201 01:42:02,413 --> 01:42:05,499 to begin the withdrawal to General Harkins, 2202 01:42:05,499 --> 01:42:09,336 the commanding General of all forces in Vietnam. 2203 01:42:09,336 --> 01:42:12,423 The Pentagon dragged its feet on formulating plans, 2204 01:42:12,590 --> 01:42:17,469 and McNamara called for a meeting in May of 1963. 2205 01:42:17,469 --> 01:42:20,389 One of the most important finds of the Review Board 2206 01:42:20,389 --> 01:42:22,808 are the notes from this meeting. 2207 01:42:22,975 --> 01:42:25,060 [Horne] McNamara said, "It's not fast enough. 2208 01:42:25,060 --> 01:42:26,312 I want you to accelerate it." 2209 01:42:26,312 --> 01:42:28,606 He says, "I want to pull out 1,000 men, 2210 01:42:28,772 --> 01:42:31,066 uh, in December by the end of the year. 2211 01:42:31,066 --> 01:42:33,027 "And I want you to pull out 2212 01:42:33,027 --> 01:42:34,987 complete units, not just individuals." 2213 01:42:34,987 --> 01:42:37,406 He wanted units to come out. 2214 01:42:37,573 --> 01:42:40,242 [Sutherland] After the withdrawal plan was approved, 2215 01:42:40,242 --> 01:42:42,494 Kennedy sent Secretary of Defense McNamara 2216 01:42:42,494 --> 01:42:47,249 and General Taylor to Saigon in September of '63. 2217 01:42:47,249 --> 01:42:50,044 He planned on using their report as the basis 2218 01:42:50,044 --> 01:42:53,005 to formally order the withdrawal to begin. 2219 01:42:53,005 --> 01:42:55,049 Kennedy controlled the report, 2220 01:42:55,049 --> 01:42:56,592 since it was actually being written 2221 01:42:56,592 --> 01:42:59,803 under the supervision of Bobby Kennedy. 2222 01:42:59,970 --> 01:43:01,513 [Newman] Three days later, 2223 01:43:01,513 --> 01:43:03,057 that leaks out into the newspapers. 2224 01:43:03,057 --> 01:43:05,684 Then his opponents find out. 2225 01:43:05,684 --> 01:43:07,394 And McGeorge Bundy says to Kennedy, "Hey, look, 2226 01:43:07,394 --> 01:43:09,229 "if they're talking about it in the newspapers, 2227 01:43:09,229 --> 01:43:10,272 we might as well put it on paper." 2228 01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:12,691 And they put it, and it was NSAM 263. 2229 01:43:12,691 --> 01:43:15,819 And that's how it was actually written and why. 2230 01:43:15,819 --> 01:43:17,988 Well, here's one of the things 2231 01:43:17,988 --> 01:43:19,490 McNamara said in the secret debrief. 2232 01:43:19,490 --> 01:43:23,035 He said, "We had agreed, the President and I, 2233 01:43:23,035 --> 01:43:24,995 "that we had trained them, 2234 01:43:24,995 --> 01:43:26,664 "we had given them everything we could. 2235 01:43:26,830 --> 01:43:29,500 "And if they couldn't win, too bad. 2236 01:43:29,500 --> 01:43:33,545 We had to get out even if they were going to be defeated." 2237 01:43:33,545 --> 01:43:36,882 So McNamara and Kennedy had decided that they were willing 2238 01:43:37,049 --> 01:43:39,843 to pull out of Vietnam in a losing scenario. 2239 01:43:40,010 --> 01:43:40,969 That's very important. 2240 01:43:42,471 --> 01:43:45,182 But later in that month, McGeorge Bundy, 2241 01:43:45,182 --> 01:43:47,768 who's the National Security Adviser, 2242 01:43:47,768 --> 01:43:49,895 puts together a memo 2243 01:43:49,895 --> 01:43:51,855 based upon the-- the truth about the war, 2244 01:43:51,855 --> 01:43:54,233 which is just going terribly. 2245 01:43:54,233 --> 01:43:57,277 And he does it in a way to try and make sure 2246 01:43:57,444 --> 01:43:59,238 that Kennedy would be able to go along with this. 2247 01:43:59,405 --> 01:44:01,115 [Sutherland] This is reflected in 2248 01:44:01,115 --> 01:44:03,450 the National Security Action Memorandum: 2249 01:44:03,450 --> 01:44:06,286 NSAM 273. 2250 01:44:06,286 --> 01:44:09,540 [Newman] The way Bundy writes the first draft of 273 2251 01:44:09,540 --> 01:44:11,166 is to say, "Look, we need to intensify 2252 01:44:11,333 --> 01:44:14,169 "the war effort against the communists. 2253 01:44:14,169 --> 01:44:16,004 "But the way we're going to do it 2254 01:44:16,004 --> 01:44:18,590 is to increase South Vietnamese forces." 2255 01:44:18,590 --> 01:44:21,051 There's not a word about American forces 2256 01:44:21,051 --> 01:44:22,803 or Americanizing the war. 2257 01:44:25,347 --> 01:44:27,683 While Kennedy's body is still in the casket 2258 01:44:27,683 --> 01:44:30,185 in the rotunda over in the Capitol building, 2259 01:44:30,352 --> 01:44:34,606 is when Johnson changes NSAM 273 to a new version. 2260 01:44:34,606 --> 01:44:37,192 And when it comes to the key paragraph, 2261 01:44:37,192 --> 01:44:39,069 paragraph seven, which just talks about 2262 01:44:39,069 --> 01:44:41,655 how we're going to intensify the war, 2263 01:44:41,655 --> 01:44:43,198 instead of changing a few words, 2264 01:44:43,198 --> 01:44:46,368 there's two big hash marks through that paragraph, 2265 01:44:46,368 --> 01:44:48,078 and it's completely rewritten. 2266 01:44:48,078 --> 01:44:49,371 And I said-- I asked Bundy in an interview, 2267 01:44:49,371 --> 01:44:51,165 I said, "Who told you to do that?" 2268 01:44:51,165 --> 01:44:53,000 He said, "Johnson did." 2269 01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:54,460 [Sutherland] These changes allowed the US 2270 01:44:54,460 --> 01:44:57,588 to unilaterally engage in combat in Vietnam 2271 01:44:57,588 --> 01:44:59,840 rather than simply supporting and advising 2272 01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:01,383 South Vietnamese troops. 2273 01:45:02,551 --> 01:45:04,303 And within days, 2274 01:45:04,303 --> 01:45:07,431 we're talking about sending out the DESOTO missions. 2275 01:45:07,431 --> 01:45:10,309 These-- These naval excursions 2276 01:45:10,309 --> 01:45:13,145 along the coastline of North Vietnam 2277 01:45:13,145 --> 01:45:15,898 that ends up with The Maddox 2278 01:45:15,898 --> 01:45:18,317 and the, and the so-called Tonkin Gulf attacks. 2279 01:45:18,317 --> 01:45:20,235 And then the resolution in Congress 2280 01:45:20,235 --> 01:45:23,572 opening the door to intervention in Vietnam. 2281 01:45:23,572 --> 01:45:26,033 [Sutherland] In the Review Board's declassifications, 2282 01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:28,327 there's evidence that Johnson was fully aware 2283 01:45:28,327 --> 01:45:30,704 of Kennedy's Vietnam withdrawal plans, 2284 01:45:30,704 --> 01:45:32,498 disagreed with them, 2285 01:45:32,498 --> 01:45:35,250 and worked on Robert McNamara to make him renounce them. 2286 01:45:36,251 --> 01:45:38,170 [Lyndon B. Johnson speaking] 2287 01:45:47,262 --> 01:45:49,890 In retaliation for this unprovoked 2288 01:45:49,890 --> 01:45:52,017 attack on the high seas, 2289 01:45:52,184 --> 01:45:54,520 our forces have struck the bases 2290 01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:58,524 used by the North Vietnamese patrol craft. 2291 01:45:58,524 --> 01:46:00,692 [Sutherland] And as declassified memos have revealed, 2292 01:46:00,692 --> 01:46:02,277 by autumn of 1964, 2293 01:46:02,444 --> 01:46:05,072 during his campaign against Barry Goldwater, 2294 01:46:05,239 --> 01:46:07,324 Johnson had already decided 2295 01:46:07,491 --> 01:46:10,410 that he was going to escalate the Vietnam War. 2296 01:46:10,410 --> 01:46:11,870 In fact, the directive that would become 2297 01:46:12,037 --> 01:46:13,705 the Tonkin Gulf Resolution 2298 01:46:13,872 --> 01:46:18,085 had been written before the Tonkin Gulf Incident itself. 2299 01:46:18,085 --> 01:46:19,962 Three months before the election, 2300 01:46:19,962 --> 01:46:23,632 Johnson had already planned for an extensive air war. 2301 01:46:23,632 --> 01:46:26,260 It was to begin after his inauguration. 2302 01:46:27,970 --> 01:46:32,391 [Johnson] We intend to convince the communists 2303 01:46:32,391 --> 01:46:37,229 that we cannot be defeated by force of arms 2304 01:46:37,229 --> 01:46:39,064 or by superior power. 2305 01:46:44,152 --> 01:46:46,321 [Pease] When news came of Kennedy's death, 2306 01:46:46,321 --> 01:46:48,615 all over the planet, people were mourning 2307 01:46:48,615 --> 01:46:51,326 and crying and going to embassies. 2308 01:46:51,326 --> 01:46:53,745 In Latin America, the people just lit candles 2309 01:46:53,745 --> 01:46:56,081 because they didn't even have electrical power, 2310 01:46:56,081 --> 01:46:57,708 but they wanted to honor his killing. 2311 01:46:57,875 --> 01:46:59,293 In the Yucatan Peninsula, 2312 01:46:59,459 --> 01:47:03,547 peasants cleared an area and planted a peace garden. 2313 01:47:03,547 --> 01:47:05,132 [Philip Muehlenbeck] Nasser learned of Kennedy's death 2314 01:47:05,132 --> 01:47:07,384 in the middle of the night. He got up, dressed, 2315 01:47:07,551 --> 01:47:10,429 went down to his office, and then realized, 2316 01:47:10,429 --> 01:47:12,222 "Well, there's nothing I can do about this." 2317 01:47:12,222 --> 01:47:14,850 According to his son, Nasser went to a-- 2318 01:47:14,850 --> 01:47:18,061 A great state of depression after Kennedy's death. 2319 01:47:18,061 --> 01:47:21,398 Uh, relations with Egypt gradually deteriorated, 2320 01:47:21,398 --> 01:47:24,359 and they increasingly shifted their allegiance 2321 01:47:24,359 --> 01:47:26,194 towards the Soviet Union as well. 2322 01:47:26,194 --> 01:47:29,781 A mass was held in the leading Catholic Church in Cairo, 2323 01:47:29,781 --> 01:47:32,117 which has a capacity of 600. 2324 01:47:32,117 --> 01:47:35,621 They somehow fit 4,000 people into that church. 2325 01:47:35,621 --> 01:47:38,165 Algeria, which had special feeling for Kennedy, 2326 01:47:38,332 --> 01:47:40,626 declared a state of mourning for a week. 2327 01:47:40,626 --> 01:47:43,754 Flags were flown, uh, at half mast. 2328 01:47:43,921 --> 01:47:46,632 The US ambassador to Egypt said 2329 01:47:46,632 --> 01:47:49,384 that he thought the Egyptians had seen in Kennedy 2330 01:47:49,551 --> 01:47:51,637 the best of what they saw in Americans. 2331 01:47:51,637 --> 01:47:54,848 That Kennedy had represented a kind of ideal of America 2332 01:47:54,848 --> 01:47:56,850 to ordinary Egyptians. 2333 01:47:56,850 --> 01:47:58,936 [Sutherland] Castro got the news of Kennedy's death 2334 01:47:58,936 --> 01:48:00,395 while discussing détente 2335 01:48:00,562 --> 01:48:03,065 with the French journalist Jean Daniel. 2336 01:48:03,231 --> 01:48:06,652 He then exclaimed, "This is bad news. 2337 01:48:06,652 --> 01:48:08,612 Everything is now going to change." 2338 01:48:11,114 --> 01:48:13,617 When Khrushchev paid his respects to President Kennedy 2339 01:48:13,784 --> 01:48:16,370 at the American embassy, 2340 01:48:16,370 --> 01:48:18,956 he was reportedly holding back tears. 2341 01:48:20,707 --> 01:48:23,669 Robert Kennedy knew that after his brother's death, 2342 01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:28,131 relations with the Soviet Union hung in the balance. 2343 01:48:28,131 --> 01:48:34,096 My father, he wanted to convey a message to Premier Khrushchev 2344 01:48:34,096 --> 01:48:35,681 saying that our family knew 2345 01:48:35,847 --> 01:48:39,601 that the Soviets were not involved in the assassination. 2346 01:48:39,601 --> 01:48:43,855 That it was a right-wing plot from our own country. 2347 01:48:44,022 --> 01:48:46,191 In other words, the CIA, 2348 01:48:46,191 --> 01:48:48,443 or forces aligned with the CIA. 2349 01:48:48,443 --> 01:48:51,238 [Robert F. Kennedy Jr.] The day that his brother died, 2350 01:48:51,405 --> 01:48:54,491 my father's first phone call 2351 01:48:54,491 --> 01:48:59,496 was to the CIA desk officer at Langley 2352 01:48:59,496 --> 01:49:05,502 and he asked them, "Did your people conduct this horror?" 2353 01:49:07,796 --> 01:49:10,382 [Talbot] We know from how Bobby operated 2354 01:49:10,382 --> 01:49:14,177 that terrible day, November 22nd, 1963, 2355 01:49:14,177 --> 01:49:17,097 at his home in, uh, McLean, Virginia, 2356 01:49:17,097 --> 01:49:21,935 that he immediately suspected there was not a lone gunman. 2357 01:49:21,935 --> 01:49:23,562 Why do we know this? 2358 01:49:23,562 --> 01:49:26,606 Because he was being told by his closest aides, 2359 01:49:26,606 --> 01:49:29,151 people like Kenny O'Donnell and Dave Powers, 2360 01:49:29,151 --> 01:49:30,569 who were in the limousine 2361 01:49:30,569 --> 01:49:33,363 immediately behind President Kennedy's limousine. 2362 01:49:33,363 --> 01:49:35,157 They were both World War II veterans. 2363 01:49:35,157 --> 01:49:37,743 They knew what gunfire sounded like. 2364 01:49:37,909 --> 01:49:39,953 They reported it to him that gunfire 2365 01:49:39,953 --> 01:49:41,913 had not just come from the-- the rear. 2366 01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:44,166 It had come from different sides. 2367 01:49:44,166 --> 01:49:46,543 There was gunfire from the front as well. 2368 01:49:46,543 --> 01:49:48,962 It was a crossfire. 2369 01:49:48,962 --> 01:49:51,548 [Kennedy Jr.] I was in the East Room, 2370 01:49:51,715 --> 01:49:56,053 with my dad and with Jackie and a couple of my siblings, 2371 01:49:56,053 --> 01:49:58,472 and Lyndon Johnson came in, 2372 01:49:58,472 --> 01:50:01,349 and told the adults in the room 2373 01:50:01,349 --> 01:50:04,269 that Lee Harvey Oswald had been killed, 2374 01:50:04,269 --> 01:50:07,564 and that a man had shot him. 2375 01:50:07,731 --> 01:50:11,109 And I said to my dad and mom at that time, 2376 01:50:11,276 --> 01:50:12,778 "Why did he shoot him? 2377 01:50:12,778 --> 01:50:15,238 Did he-- Did he love our family?" 2378 01:50:15,238 --> 01:50:16,740 And the way that they acted 2379 01:50:16,907 --> 01:50:19,451 was that this only compounded the tragedy. 2380 01:50:21,036 --> 01:50:22,537 [Sutherland] Many people at home 2381 01:50:22,537 --> 01:50:24,372 felt that after Kennedy's death, 2382 01:50:24,372 --> 01:50:28,376 a period of depression and cynicism overtook the country, 2383 01:50:28,376 --> 01:50:32,130 and that America was somehow changed forever. 2384 01:50:32,130 --> 01:50:33,799 Our overwhelming disbelief 2385 01:50:33,799 --> 01:50:35,342 in the Warren Commission's findings 2386 01:50:35,509 --> 01:50:38,220 contributed to increased skepticism 2387 01:50:38,220 --> 01:50:40,722 of all our foundational beliefs about government. 2388 01:50:43,642 --> 01:50:46,603 But I think Allen Dulles' appointment to the Warren Commission 2389 01:50:46,603 --> 01:50:49,815 is one of the great frauds of American history. 2390 01:50:49,815 --> 01:50:52,859 I don't think that even if you had 10 more commissions, 2391 01:50:52,859 --> 01:50:54,111 you'd never get away from the idea 2392 01:50:54,277 --> 01:50:55,737 that maybe there was a plot. 2393 01:50:55,904 --> 01:50:58,156 We just didn't find any traces of it. 2394 01:50:58,156 --> 01:51:00,534 What really happened with Allen Dulles was 2395 01:51:00,700 --> 01:51:03,870 the CIA lobbied to have him put on the Commission, 2396 01:51:03,870 --> 01:51:06,414 'cause they needed to have one of their own on the Commission 2397 01:51:06,581 --> 01:51:10,627 to make sure that certain doors remained closed. 2398 01:51:10,794 --> 01:51:16,675 I think there's a direct thread between the events of 1963 2399 01:51:16,675 --> 01:51:18,885 and the kind of horror show 2400 01:51:18,885 --> 01:51:22,973 that America is having to endure right now. 2401 01:51:22,973 --> 01:51:25,767 And I think once you kill a President 2402 01:51:25,767 --> 01:51:27,435 in broad daylight on the streets of an American city, 2403 01:51:27,602 --> 01:51:30,397 and everyone knows that powerful forces did it, 2404 01:51:30,397 --> 01:51:34,025 that sends a signal not only to the American people, 2405 01:51:34,192 --> 01:51:37,946 but to the American media, to the American future leaders. 2406 01:51:37,946 --> 01:51:40,866 And if America really wants a democratic society, 2407 01:51:40,866 --> 01:51:44,494 then we should get to the bottom of this traumatic crime 2408 01:51:44,494 --> 01:51:47,831 that continues to reverberate throughout American history. 2409 01:51:47,831 --> 01:51:51,293 They poll historians, they poll the American people, 2410 01:51:51,293 --> 01:51:54,045 and they say, "Who were the most popular Presidents?" 2411 01:51:54,045 --> 01:51:56,089 Well, one metric that you can use 2412 01:51:56,089 --> 01:52:00,468 to objectively-- at least judge the foreign policy, 2413 01:52:00,468 --> 01:52:02,971 is how many boulevards are named 2414 01:52:02,971 --> 01:52:05,390 after that President in foreign countries? 2415 01:52:05,390 --> 01:52:09,269 How many hospitals, how many colleges, how many schools? 2416 01:52:09,269 --> 01:52:13,773 How many statues are-- are standing of that President 2417 01:52:13,773 --> 01:52:15,609 in capitals all over the world? 2418 01:52:15,609 --> 01:52:17,694 And in that sense, President Kennedy 2419 01:52:17,694 --> 01:52:20,238 beats every other President, hands down. 2420 01:52:23,325 --> 01:52:25,160 [Stone] Although many of Kennedy's 2421 01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:27,329 progressive and unprecedented goals 2422 01:52:27,329 --> 01:52:32,542 and changes in policy were undone after his assassination, 2423 01:52:32,542 --> 01:52:36,004 a few powerful ones remain. 2424 01:52:36,004 --> 01:52:37,923 I think Mr. Kennedy has done 2425 01:52:37,923 --> 01:52:40,300 some significant things in civil rights, 2426 01:52:40,467 --> 01:52:42,928 and I would include the Attorney General. 2427 01:52:43,094 --> 01:52:48,183 I think both of these men are men of genuine goodwill. 2428 01:52:48,183 --> 01:52:50,936 And, uh, I think there is a necessity now 2429 01:52:51,102 --> 01:52:53,396 to see the urgency of the moment. 2430 01:52:56,149 --> 01:52:59,027 I'm asking from you an unequivocal assurance 2431 01:52:59,027 --> 01:53:02,113 that you will not bar entry to these students, 2432 01:53:02,113 --> 01:53:04,157 and that you will step aside peacefully, 2433 01:53:04,157 --> 01:53:06,785 do your constitutional duty. 2434 01:53:06,785 --> 01:53:09,621 [Stone] In showdowns using federal troops, 2435 01:53:09,621 --> 01:53:12,791 the Kennedy administration won admission of Black students 2436 01:53:12,791 --> 01:53:16,211 to the last public colleges in the south. 2437 01:53:16,211 --> 01:53:19,214 George Wallace made it clear that this fight was not over. 2438 01:53:19,381 --> 01:53:23,051 And the-- the South this year-- next year 2439 01:53:23,051 --> 01:53:25,470 will decide who the next President is, 2440 01:53:25,470 --> 01:53:27,847 whoever the South votes for will be the President. 2441 01:53:27,847 --> 01:53:29,849 And you're gonna see that the South 2442 01:53:29,849 --> 01:53:32,644 is going to be against some folks. 2443 01:53:32,644 --> 01:53:35,021 [Stone] That night, Kennedy addressed the nation 2444 01:53:35,021 --> 01:53:37,148 in what many consider the finest 2445 01:53:37,148 --> 01:53:39,359 Presidential speech on civil rights 2446 01:53:39,359 --> 01:53:41,111 since Abraham Lincoln. 2447 01:53:41,111 --> 01:53:43,989 ...and that the rights of every man are diminished 2448 01:53:44,155 --> 01:53:47,242 when the rights of one man are threatened. 2449 01:53:47,242 --> 01:53:50,787 If an American, because his skin is dark... 2450 01:53:50,787 --> 01:53:56,126 cannot enjoy the full and free life which all of us want, 2451 01:53:56,126 --> 01:53:58,211 then who among us would be content 2452 01:53:58,378 --> 01:54:01,464 to have the color of his skin changed? 2453 01:54:01,631 --> 01:54:04,467 One hundred years of delay have passed 2454 01:54:04,467 --> 01:54:07,721 since President Lincoln freed the slaves, 2455 01:54:07,721 --> 01:54:12,142 yet their heirs, their grandsons, are not fully free. 2456 01:54:12,142 --> 01:54:17,105 And this nation, for all its hopes and all its boasts, 2457 01:54:17,272 --> 01:54:21,234 will not be fully free until all its citizens are free. 2458 01:54:21,401 --> 01:54:22,652 We face, therefore, 2459 01:54:22,819 --> 01:54:24,821 a moral crisis as a country and a people, 2460 01:54:24,988 --> 01:54:26,823 and this is a matter which concerns 2461 01:54:26,990 --> 01:54:29,492 this country and what it stands for. 2462 01:54:29,492 --> 01:54:33,079 And in meeting it, I ask the support of all of our citizens. 2463 01:54:33,079 --> 01:54:35,290 Thank you very much. 2464 01:54:35,290 --> 01:54:38,293 [somber music playing] 2465 01:55:37,852 --> 01:55:41,022 ♪ 208932

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