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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,938 --> 00:00:24,942 [narrator] In the late 1800s, Physical Culture magazine was a pioneer 2 00:00:25,024 --> 00:00:27,444 for having fitness models grace their covers. 3 00:00:27,528 --> 00:00:29,821 They were considered too racy for the times 4 00:00:29,905 --> 00:00:33,617 and overcame an obscenity conviction in 1909 from the Supreme Court, 5 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:35,994 which made them instantly more successful. 6 00:00:37,204 --> 00:00:39,414 Fitness magazines became the source of information 7 00:00:39,498 --> 00:00:43,418 for health, fitness, physical development and bodybuilding. 8 00:00:43,502 --> 00:00:46,088 Many emerged over the years and if you were a fitness model, 9 00:00:46,171 --> 00:00:50,092 your goal was to be on the cover of a prestigious fitness magazine. 10 00:00:50,801 --> 00:00:54,179 As contests like Mr. America and Mr. Universe were created, 11 00:00:54,263 --> 00:00:56,473 so were great physiques like Steve Reeves. 12 00:00:56,557 --> 00:00:59,226 Steve embodied model good looks built for Hollywood, 13 00:00:59,309 --> 00:01:00,852 and people took notice. 14 00:01:02,521 --> 00:01:03,897 The International Federation of Bodybuilding 15 00:01:03,981 --> 00:01:07,192 was founded by Ben and Joe Weider in 1946, 16 00:01:07,276 --> 00:01:10,529 and popularity continued to grow for the sport. 17 00:01:10,612 --> 00:01:13,824 The IFBB conceived the elite bodybuilding competition, 18 00:01:13,907 --> 00:01:17,786 Mr. Olympia, in 1965, and the quest for muscle emerged, 19 00:01:17,869 --> 00:01:20,455 as did bodybuilding stars and fierce competitors 20 00:01:20,539 --> 00:01:23,792 like Frank Zane and Arnold Schwarzenegger. 21 00:01:23,875 --> 00:01:26,295 Arnold Schwarzenegger had the size that men admired, 22 00:01:26,378 --> 00:01:28,880 and Frank Zane had the symmetry that men desired. 23 00:01:29,798 --> 00:01:33,594 Bodybuilding slowly began to shift over the decades from the Greek-God look 24 00:01:33,677 --> 00:01:39,057 to the extreme muscle monsters of today, tipping the scales at over 250 pounds. 25 00:01:39,141 --> 00:01:43,478 Genetics aside, this new mass of muscle is not an obtainable look for most men 26 00:01:43,562 --> 00:01:48,442 to achieve nor desire, and many gave up pursuing extreme bodybuilding. 27 00:01:48,525 --> 00:01:51,737 A new boost in men's fitness modeling competitions started to take hold, 28 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:53,405 and the IFBB took notice 29 00:01:53,488 --> 00:01:55,449 and created the new division of Men's Physique, 30 00:01:55,532 --> 00:01:58,619 which shifted the aesthetics back to the classic bodybuilding days 31 00:01:58,702 --> 00:02:02,706 of 30 years ago, where men have a more flattering look with small waists, 32 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:06,710 a V-taper, and perfect muscular proportions. 33 00:02:06,793 --> 00:02:08,462 The approach between a fitness model 34 00:02:08,545 --> 00:02:12,341 and an IFBB Men's Physique Pro competitor differ by the fact 35 00:02:12,424 --> 00:02:16,887 that fitness models stay roughly between five to seven percent body fat daily, 36 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:20,724 ready year-round for any given moment's notice for a photo shoot. 37 00:02:20,807 --> 00:02:25,228 The competitors have an on and off season preparing for the shows. 38 00:02:25,312 --> 00:02:28,148 In the off-season, they bulk up to pack on the muscle gains, 39 00:02:28,231 --> 00:02:31,026 and their body fat can be as high as 12 percent, 40 00:02:31,109 --> 00:02:35,238 then they start the leaning-out process at 12 to 16 weeks before a competition, 41 00:02:35,322 --> 00:02:38,867 with their body fat dropping considerably to three to four percent range 42 00:02:38,950 --> 00:02:42,537 to achieve a dry and extremely shredded aesthetic physique. 43 00:02:42,621 --> 00:02:44,790 The better conditioning of the lean muscle mass, 44 00:02:44,873 --> 00:02:46,583 the better their show results. 45 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:49,168 And since the average man can achieve this body of muscle 46 00:02:49,252 --> 00:02:51,713 with the right lifestyle of diet and training, 47 00:02:51,797 --> 00:02:55,425 the popularity of fitness modeling and competing has gained momentum. 48 00:02:57,176 --> 00:03:01,014 Before there was physique, you know, there's always been fitness modeling, 49 00:03:01,098 --> 00:03:03,892 and there's been bodybuilding, but [stammers] I never got the size 50 00:03:03,975 --> 00:03:06,395 and I never really wanted to be as big as a bodybuilder. 51 00:03:06,478 --> 00:03:09,231 So I made it to the national level um, for bodybuilding, 52 00:03:09,314 --> 00:03:10,732 and I remember being backstage, 53 00:03:10,816 --> 00:03:13,068 and they said, "Look, you've got great genetics, 54 00:03:13,151 --> 00:03:15,529 you know, you've got a good marketable look, 55 00:03:15,612 --> 00:03:17,906 you could turn pro in bodybuilding, for sure. 56 00:03:17,989 --> 00:03:20,784 It's gonna take you ten, 15 years." 57 00:03:20,867 --> 00:03:23,245 And not that I wasn't willing to put in that time, 58 00:03:23,328 --> 00:03:26,832 it's just I know my body and I know my frame. 59 00:03:26,915 --> 00:03:29,126 And to support anything over 200 pounds, 60 00:03:29,208 --> 00:03:31,586 or even close to that, for me, is really stretching it. 61 00:03:31,670 --> 00:03:34,089 So I'm not gonna keep trying to gain and gain and gain. 62 00:03:34,172 --> 00:03:36,758 I'm just gonna fine-tune until it's a perfect sculpture. 63 00:03:36,842 --> 00:03:39,761 There's no hiding anything. Once the stage lights hit you, it's there. 64 00:03:39,845 --> 00:03:41,555 You're gonna see who cheated on their diet, 65 00:03:41,638 --> 00:03:43,932 who cheated on their last few reps, you know. 66 00:03:44,015 --> 00:03:47,269 Then you're gonna see the guys like me, you know, that went above and beyond. 67 00:03:47,352 --> 00:03:49,563 When I did get my pro card, it was amazing. 68 00:03:49,646 --> 00:03:51,815 It was better than winning my first pro show. 69 00:03:51,898 --> 00:03:54,860 You sacrifice for so many years, and it finally happens. 70 00:03:54,943 --> 00:03:56,945 I was on cloud nine for weeks. 71 00:03:57,028 --> 00:03:58,655 No one even knew who I was. 72 00:03:58,739 --> 00:04:04,911 Stepping on stage in my pro debut in 2013 Greater Gulf winner 73 00:04:04,995 --> 00:04:07,539 and your new Olympia-qualified athlete, 74 00:04:07,622 --> 00:04:10,792 and they said, "Olympia-qualified athlete, Jeremy Buendia." 75 00:04:11,918 --> 00:04:15,881 And I'm just like, I just sat there and thought like, "I'm going to Olympia." 76 00:04:15,964 --> 00:04:18,049 Men's Physique is new. 77 00:04:18,133 --> 00:04:21,636 And it wasn't around when I started. If it was, maybe I would've done it. 78 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,849 Being always ready in two days out from a shoot paid dividends 79 00:04:25,932 --> 00:04:27,809 because I have photographers that will call me 80 00:04:27,893 --> 00:04:30,604 because somebody came in, and they were out of shape, 81 00:04:30,687 --> 00:04:32,898 or, uh, they call me because they know 82 00:04:32,981 --> 00:04:36,026 I'm gonna be shredded to the bone, and they don't have to worry about it. 83 00:04:36,109 --> 00:04:37,819 It's never about what you looked like yesterday. 84 00:04:37,903 --> 00:04:41,448 It's never about the picture you submit. What do you look like right now? 85 00:04:41,531 --> 00:04:44,826 I did a magazine cover that's actually coming out next month. 86 00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:47,537 And the guy texts me at eight in the morning, 87 00:04:47,621 --> 00:04:49,998 very professional photographer, and said send in a picture right now, 88 00:04:50,081 --> 00:04:51,917 that he could forward on to the magazine. 89 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,668 If they liked it, I shot the very next day. 90 00:04:53,752 --> 00:04:55,212 Usually, they schedule ahead, [stammers] and you know, 91 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:57,214 they can give you a little bit of time, 92 00:04:57,297 --> 00:05:00,509 but they don't care what you say you're gonna look like. 93 00:05:00,592 --> 00:05:02,469 There's no integrity in fitness modeling. 94 00:05:02,552 --> 00:05:05,180 [chuckles] There is none. The body is so hard to manipulate. 95 00:05:05,263 --> 00:05:08,058 Never thought in a million years I'd be on a magazine cover. 96 00:05:08,141 --> 00:05:12,312 Every single cover I look at, in some way, like a little trophy. 97 00:05:12,395 --> 00:05:16,274 Magazines were a way for me to build a brand, in a sense, 98 00:05:16,358 --> 00:05:20,487 and to build up my name as a fitness model or fitness expert, 99 00:05:20,570 --> 00:05:23,907 um, which then allowed me to start getting endorsement deals 100 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:27,869 from the supplement companies, then allowed me to start shooting 101 00:05:27,953 --> 00:05:31,581 all these products, uh, infomercials, and commercials. 102 00:05:31,665 --> 00:05:34,960 Shot with everybody who you could ever think of 103 00:05:35,043 --> 00:05:37,671 like Robert Reiff, I mean, all the best photographers, 104 00:05:37,754 --> 00:05:41,591 and landed my first cover, my first fitness cover, 105 00:05:41,675 --> 00:05:44,761 so that was like a dream come true. 106 00:05:44,845 --> 00:05:47,848 Arnold's doing this new encyclopedia of bodybuilding, 107 00:05:47,931 --> 00:05:50,809 and he wants you to shoot the ab section. 108 00:05:50,892 --> 00:05:54,062 They've got me doing all these weird ab exercises. 109 00:05:54,145 --> 00:05:58,483 [stammers] Anrnold walks in and he says, "I never have abs like you." 110 00:05:58,567 --> 00:06:00,777 I said, "Well, coming from you, that's quite a compliment." 111 00:06:00,861 --> 00:06:04,239 And I remember there were ab exercises I could not do. 112 00:06:04,322 --> 00:06:09,286 And he's like, "You're the abs guy. How can you not do these jackknives." 113 00:06:09,368 --> 00:06:13,248 And I'm like, "I-- Arnold, I don't do jackknives. 114 00:06:13,331 --> 00:06:14,749 I've never done a frickin' jackknife." 115 00:06:14,833 --> 00:06:17,419 I don't even know what a jackknife is, you know. 116 00:06:17,502 --> 00:06:20,255 They want me, you know, with my legs up over my head, touch-- 117 00:06:20,338 --> 00:06:23,091 Coming up, touching my hands, doing all these weird variations, 118 00:06:23,174 --> 00:06:26,219 and I'm like, "I don't bend like that." 119 00:06:27,137 --> 00:06:29,514 So he's like, "Hey, Bill, do you have any fishing wire? 120 00:06:29,598 --> 00:06:34,936 We will tie it around his shoe and then I hold it off screen, 121 00:06:35,020 --> 00:06:37,355 and that's what we call movie magic." 122 00:06:37,439 --> 00:06:40,442 [laughs] And I said, "This is Arnold Schwarzenegger." 123 00:06:40,525 --> 00:06:44,362 I mean, I'm sitting here in these little skimpy-ass gym shorts, 124 00:06:44,446 --> 00:06:48,325 I'm trying to do like sit-ups, Bill's taking pictures. 125 00:06:48,407 --> 00:06:50,452 Bill's like, "No, no, we don't have any." 126 00:06:50,535 --> 00:06:52,913 So he's like, "Okay, forget it. I'll just hold him myself. 127 00:06:52,996 --> 00:06:56,458 Come, I'll hold you. You just photoshop me out, Bill." Right? 128 00:06:56,541 --> 00:07:01,254 So we got the shots, and I just thought, this is so frickin' surreal. 129 00:07:02,380 --> 00:07:04,925 ["Inner Fire" playing] 130 00:07:20,523 --> 00:07:22,442 -♪ Hunger -Hunger ♪ 131 00:07:22,525 --> 00:07:25,320 -♪ Hunger -Feel like hunger ♪ 132 00:07:25,403 --> 00:07:28,782 -♪ Hunger -They're watching me ♪ 133 00:07:28,865 --> 00:07:32,118 ♪ The battle starts ♪ 134 00:07:32,202 --> 00:07:35,497 ♪ Every day when you wake up ♪ 135 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:38,416 ♪ Be easy, boy ♪ 136 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:40,251 ♪ Ooh ♪ 137 00:07:40,335 --> 00:07:43,713 ♪ Is wishing you could measure up ♪ 138 00:07:43,797 --> 00:07:45,674 -♪ Inner fire -Inner fire ♪ 139 00:07:45,757 --> 00:07:47,592 -♪ Inner fire -Inner fire ♪ 140 00:07:47,676 --> 00:07:49,803 -♪ Inner fire -Inner fire ♪ 141 00:07:49,886 --> 00:07:51,471 ♪ Oh, it's what you need ♪ 142 00:07:51,554 --> 00:07:53,390 ♪ Inner fire ♪ 143 00:07:53,473 --> 00:07:55,308 ♪ Inner fire ♪ 144 00:07:55,392 --> 00:07:57,978 ♪ Inner fire ♪ 145 00:07:58,061 --> 00:07:59,854 ♪ It's what you need ♪ 146 00:08:00,605 --> 00:08:03,900 ♪ Ooh ♪ 147 00:08:03,984 --> 00:08:07,404 ♪ Pride of the lion ♪ 148 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:11,324 ♪ He is the leader of the pack ♪ 149 00:08:11,408 --> 00:08:15,120 ♪ There's no denying ♪ 150 00:08:15,203 --> 00:08:18,581 ♪ The hunger waiting to attack ♪ 151 00:08:18,665 --> 00:08:22,419 ♪ Inner fire, Inner fire ♪ 152 00:08:22,502 --> 00:08:25,088 ♪ Inner fire ♪ 153 00:08:25,171 --> 00:08:26,798 ♪ It's what you need ♪ 154 00:08:26,881 --> 00:08:30,176 -♪ Feel the hunger -Hunger ♪ 155 00:08:30,260 --> 00:08:34,681 ♪ Hunger, hunger, it's what you need ♪ 156 00:08:35,390 --> 00:08:37,225 ♪ Ooh ♪ 157 00:08:41,396 --> 00:08:44,983 -♪ Feel the hunger -Feel the hunger ♪ 158 00:08:55,577 --> 00:08:57,704 [narrator] Greg Plitt is truly a fitness icon. 159 00:08:57,787 --> 00:09:00,373 He has appeared on more than 200 magazine covers 160 00:09:00,457 --> 00:09:03,960 and at least one cover every month, for the last five years. 161 00:09:04,044 --> 00:09:07,881 Motivational speaker, actor, and ex-Army Ranger. 162 00:09:18,933 --> 00:09:22,062 Jeremy Buendia is an IFBB Men's Physique Pro, 163 00:09:22,145 --> 00:09:25,315 reigning Mr. Olympia Champion, and endorsed athlete. 164 00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:27,233 [exhales sharply] 165 00:09:32,238 --> 00:09:35,408 TJ Hoban is a top fitness model, working actor. 166 00:09:35,492 --> 00:09:39,370 He has graced over 100 magazine covers, endorsed over 30 products, 167 00:09:39,454 --> 00:09:41,956 and has appeared on numerous TV shows. 168 00:09:47,212 --> 00:09:49,214 That's what we do. [exhales] 169 00:09:49,297 --> 00:09:52,759 Sadik Hadzovic is an IFBB Men's Physique Pro, 170 00:09:52,842 --> 00:09:58,223 first ever Arnold Classic Champion, Olympia runner-up, and endorsed athlete. 171 00:09:58,306 --> 00:10:00,100 Another day in paradise. 172 00:10:05,313 --> 00:10:08,942 Matt Christianer is the first ever IFBB Men's Physique Pro 173 00:10:09,025 --> 00:10:10,693 and endorsed athlete. 174 00:10:16,241 --> 00:10:20,829 David Kimmerle is a top fitness model and has been on over 60 magazine covers, 175 00:10:20,912 --> 00:10:23,581 and romance novels, and endorsed athlete. 176 00:10:27,335 --> 00:10:30,130 ♪ I say, push 'em down ♪ 177 00:10:30,213 --> 00:10:31,923 David Morin is a top fitness model 178 00:10:32,006 --> 00:10:34,759 appearing on numerous magazine covers and publications, 179 00:10:34,843 --> 00:10:38,012 an endorsed athlete, and gym owner. 180 00:10:38,096 --> 00:10:39,806 ♪ Get 'em out ♪ 181 00:10:39,889 --> 00:10:43,226 ♪ Find your way Without a doubt ♪ 182 00:10:45,812 --> 00:10:48,815 Jason Poston is an IFBB Men's Physique Pro, 183 00:10:48,898 --> 00:10:52,068 third on the Olympia stage, and an endorsed athlete. 184 00:10:55,071 --> 00:10:56,364 Colin Wayne is a fitness model 185 00:10:56,447 --> 00:10:58,992 appearing on numerous magazine covers and novels, 186 00:10:59,075 --> 00:11:02,871 social media sensation, and an ex-Army Staff Sergeant. 187 00:11:08,543 --> 00:11:12,714 Tonnell Rodrigue is an IFBB Men's Physique Pro athlete. 188 00:11:14,299 --> 00:11:16,009 This is gonna hurt a little. 189 00:11:17,594 --> 00:11:20,930 Dennis "The Menace" James is an IFBB Pro Bodybuilder 190 00:11:21,014 --> 00:11:24,601 who's appeared on the Olympia stage a staggering 11 times, 191 00:11:24,683 --> 00:11:29,230 intense pro trainer, prep coach, and an endorsed athlete. 192 00:11:29,314 --> 00:11:30,982 Nice and slow, there you go. 193 00:11:32,025 --> 00:11:33,985 Five of the top fitness cover models 194 00:11:34,068 --> 00:11:36,988 and five of the top IFBB Men's Physique Pro athletes 195 00:11:37,071 --> 00:11:39,449 were brought together to share their lifestyles, 196 00:11:39,532 --> 00:11:43,286 their life stories, their intense drive and determination, 197 00:11:43,369 --> 00:11:45,330 and their enduring sacrifices, which makes them 198 00:11:45,413 --> 00:11:47,540 some of the best physiques in the world. 199 00:11:48,249 --> 00:11:50,126 -Hey, man, take my seat. -Cool, man. How you doing, man? 200 00:11:50,210 --> 00:11:51,878 -Good to see you, bro. -Good to see you again. 201 00:11:51,961 --> 00:11:54,005 -Everybody doing good? -Great to see you, man. 202 00:11:54,088 --> 00:11:55,798 -Yeah, you too, you too. -What's up. 203 00:11:55,882 --> 00:11:57,467 What's up, man? Hey, what's up, man. 204 00:11:57,550 --> 00:11:59,761 Going all around, man, all around. 205 00:11:59,844 --> 00:12:01,804 What's up buddy? Good to see you, man. 206 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:04,933 [Dennis] How important is genetics? What do you guys think? 207 00:12:05,724 --> 00:12:10,188 A guy with genetics versus a guy with less genetics. 208 00:12:10,271 --> 00:12:12,857 -[TJ] Does heart count? -Heart, of course, heart is-- 209 00:12:12,941 --> 00:12:16,152 [stammers] I think, for me, heart is more important than genetics. 210 00:12:16,236 --> 00:12:17,237 -[TJ] In everything? -Yeah. 211 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,197 -[TJ] In business, in fitness? -If you don't have the heart, 212 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,116 the greatest genetics on the planet, it's not gonna help you. 213 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,826 -[TJ] Yeah. - Genetics can take you so far. 214 00:12:23,910 --> 00:12:27,997 We could say Jeremy has superior genetics. That's just my opinion. 215 00:12:28,081 --> 00:12:30,708 I think we've seen the first physique guy that does. 216 00:12:30,792 --> 00:12:35,713 How do we know that, genetically, Jeremy has better genetics than he does 217 00:12:35,797 --> 00:12:40,093 unless we do like some type of crazy scientific evaluation? 218 00:12:40,176 --> 00:12:43,096 The truth is, what-- You just focus on what you can focus on. 219 00:12:43,179 --> 00:12:47,183 It's-- What is Jeremy doing versus what are you doing. 220 00:12:48,643 --> 00:12:51,980 [grunts] 221 00:12:52,063 --> 00:12:54,649 I've always had a good set of shoulders 222 00:12:54,732 --> 00:12:57,944 so when I go to the gym, that's the last thing I'm gonna do. 223 00:12:58,027 --> 00:13:00,947 I have weak calves. When I go in the gym, when I'm fresh, 224 00:13:01,030 --> 00:13:02,991 when I'm strong, that's when I push my calves. 225 00:13:03,074 --> 00:13:05,368 You have to be realistic with yourself and your physique. 226 00:13:05,451 --> 00:13:07,786 Every action has, you know, a purpose. 227 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:09,706 [Greg] Every action has a result. 228 00:13:09,788 --> 00:13:12,625 And then we never get burned out because hard work pays off. 229 00:13:12,709 --> 00:13:16,004 We start to see the transformation, then we get addicted to it. 230 00:13:16,087 --> 00:13:18,381 So basically you're saying, when something is lacking, 231 00:13:18,464 --> 00:13:19,882 you got to train it more often. 232 00:13:19,966 --> 00:13:24,095 If you've got 12-inch calves and 17-inch arms, 233 00:13:24,178 --> 00:13:26,180 then you're training your arms heavier than your calves. 234 00:13:26,264 --> 00:13:29,183 [David Morin] Genetics can be, to a certain point, manipulated. 235 00:13:29,267 --> 00:13:33,646 If I'm not training the muscle that-- Like a calf, that kind of gets forgotten, 236 00:13:33,730 --> 00:13:37,483 is my excuse the fact that I have small calves or is the fact that I've just... 237 00:13:37,567 --> 00:13:39,277 I didn't man up and I didn't train it. 238 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,237 I got a case of pussitis and I left them out. 239 00:13:41,321 --> 00:13:44,866 The other things that genetics will help determine is, uh... 240 00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:46,617 you know, your shape. 241 00:13:46,701 --> 00:13:49,078 You know, [stammers] the lines in your definition. 242 00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:50,580 [Dennis] Do you have an eight-pack? 243 00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:54,459 Do you have a eight or a ten or a six-pack or a four-pack? 244 00:13:54,542 --> 00:13:56,127 And no matter how lean you get, 245 00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:58,880 it's not gonna change [stammers] your.. 246 00:13:58,963 --> 00:14:01,007 you know, certain things about your body structure. 247 00:14:01,090 --> 00:14:04,635 [Sadik exhaling] 248 00:14:04,719 --> 00:14:06,387 [Sadik] Although I worked out at home for many years, 249 00:14:06,471 --> 00:14:08,431 I still didn't feel comfortable to be in a gym. 250 00:14:08,514 --> 00:14:10,683 I was like, "I'm not big enough to be in the gym." 251 00:14:10,767 --> 00:14:12,810 People are gonna look at me, you know, so I didn't. 252 00:14:12,894 --> 00:14:14,395 I never felt like I belonged. 253 00:14:14,479 --> 00:14:16,814 So the gym, for me, was more, uh... 254 00:14:16,898 --> 00:14:18,107 Number one, it was an escape, 255 00:14:18,191 --> 00:14:20,610 but it was also a place where I got to prove myself. 256 00:14:20,693 --> 00:14:23,863 I remember my first gym membership, I was 17 years old. 257 00:14:23,946 --> 00:14:26,532 My brother and I, we helped my neighbor move out, 258 00:14:26,616 --> 00:14:28,993 and she's like, "Please give this $200, 259 00:14:29,077 --> 00:14:31,954 100 to your brother and 100 you keep for yourself." 260 00:14:32,038 --> 00:14:36,376 So I did something wrong and I took all $200, 261 00:14:36,459 --> 00:14:38,419 and I bought my first gym membership, you know. 262 00:14:38,503 --> 00:14:41,798 I bought a few months at a local gym, and it all started like that. 263 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:43,716 I told my brother, after the Olympia, 264 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,053 and I was, "Hey man, you know, I owe you a $100." [laughs] 265 00:14:47,136 --> 00:14:50,181 I gravitated towards TV 'cause that's all I... you know, that's all I... 266 00:14:50,264 --> 00:14:52,558 All I saw was, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, 267 00:14:52,642 --> 00:14:54,852 Sylvester Stallone, guys like this, you know. 268 00:14:54,936 --> 00:14:58,231 I used to watch wrestling, so these guys, one thing they all had in common 269 00:14:58,314 --> 00:15:01,692 was they had incredible bodies, and they exuded this confidence. 270 00:15:01,776 --> 00:15:05,238 So, you know, growing up, I always just did a bunch of pushups, 271 00:15:05,321 --> 00:15:07,615 a bunch of pull-ups, you know, anything I could do. 272 00:15:07,698 --> 00:15:11,369 I used to do, maybe thousand bicep curls a day, 273 00:15:11,452 --> 00:15:12,995 for years and years and years. 274 00:15:13,079 --> 00:15:16,582 I wouldn't gain any muscle but at least I was trying to, you know. 275 00:15:16,666 --> 00:15:17,750 And eventually, it all clicked, 276 00:15:17,834 --> 00:15:20,670 And I guess that's what it was, I was trying to find myself. 277 00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:22,964 -Come on, Sadik, come on. -Come on. Come on. 278 00:15:23,047 --> 00:15:25,466 [Sadik] I could count on one hand the amount of gym sessions 279 00:15:25,550 --> 00:15:27,802 I missed in the last five years, you know. 280 00:15:27,885 --> 00:15:31,431 It's very few, you know. So I work out, you know, twice a day every day. 281 00:15:31,514 --> 00:15:32,723 I love it. 282 00:15:32,807 --> 00:15:36,185 One injury can be career ending. 283 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:39,313 [stammers] And you know, all depends how bad of an injury it is. 284 00:15:39,397 --> 00:15:42,442 It could be a pec tear, it could be a biceps tear. It's over. 285 00:15:42,525 --> 00:15:46,571 You know what I mean? So how can you mimic heavy training 286 00:15:47,530 --> 00:15:48,948 by not using heavy weight? 287 00:15:49,031 --> 00:15:51,659 [Dennis] Why not just try to use light weight 288 00:15:51,742 --> 00:15:53,703 and use it super, super slow? 289 00:15:53,786 --> 00:15:56,289 'Cause it feels like it's three times the weight. 290 00:15:56,372 --> 00:15:58,291 This is where the time, under tension, right here. 291 00:15:58,374 --> 00:15:59,375 [grunts] 292 00:15:59,459 --> 00:16:01,335 [Dennis] Keep pushing, man, come on. All that tension, come on, there you go. 293 00:16:01,419 --> 00:16:04,839 But it's three times less pressure on the joints, 294 00:16:04,922 --> 00:16:06,632 on the tendons, and on the muscle, you know what I mean? 295 00:16:06,716 --> 00:16:08,676 -And less repetitions. -Yeah. And less repetition. 296 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:11,971 And with repetition, you know, it causes damage. 297 00:16:12,054 --> 00:16:14,348 Yeah. So that's why, you know, I figured it out. 298 00:16:14,432 --> 00:16:18,060 You know, the mentality for guys that are in the gym, it's very ego-driven. 299 00:16:18,144 --> 00:16:20,480 They wanna go in there, they wanna push as much weight as they can 300 00:16:20,563 --> 00:16:21,689 and that's not it. 301 00:16:21,772 --> 00:16:24,942 That is a one-way ticket to nowhere, to injury. 302 00:16:25,026 --> 00:16:29,614 The way I've been able to do this for [laughs] sixteen, 17 years, 303 00:16:29,697 --> 00:16:32,575 is by just being real conscious of you know, keeping my ego in check 304 00:16:32,658 --> 00:16:35,161 and checking out-- worry about what the guy next to me is benching. 305 00:16:36,621 --> 00:16:39,290 [TJ] People always ask me what compelled me to start working out. 306 00:16:39,373 --> 00:16:42,835 Really, it started when I was pretty young, 307 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:44,462 about 12 years old. 308 00:16:44,545 --> 00:16:50,593 [TJ stammers] I was always a little kid. Scrawny, tiny, big glasses, braces. 309 00:16:50,676 --> 00:16:54,722 I mean, my glasses were like coke bottles, and funny hairdo, 310 00:16:54,805 --> 00:16:56,349 just an awkward, little shy kid. 311 00:16:56,432 --> 00:16:59,060 It was very difficult for me to, even from that point forward, 312 00:16:59,143 --> 00:17:00,978 talk to a girl, let alone get a date. 313 00:17:01,062 --> 00:17:03,564 And I got bullied, you know, quite a bit as a kid, 314 00:17:03,648 --> 00:17:06,400 growing up in Chicago, tough neighborhood. 315 00:17:06,484 --> 00:17:08,861 [TJ] You know what? One day, I just got tired of it. 316 00:17:08,945 --> 00:17:11,656 I got fed up, then I said, "You know, I wanna do something about this." 317 00:17:12,448 --> 00:17:13,449 [sighs] Come on. 318 00:17:13,533 --> 00:17:16,494 [TJ] And that's when I decided that I wanted to start working out. 319 00:17:16,577 --> 00:17:20,206 And that, for that birthday, I asked my mom for a set of weights, 320 00:17:20,289 --> 00:17:23,960 to my garage and to a gym, heavy bag, speed bag. 321 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:27,588 And I swear, I thought I was Rocky, fighting for my life, every day. 322 00:17:29,173 --> 00:17:31,133 [Jeremy] I've grown up with fitness. 323 00:17:31,217 --> 00:17:33,719 Every morning I wake up, but it was my Dad clinking weights. 324 00:17:33,803 --> 00:17:35,638 I remember the first time I bench pressed the bar, 325 00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:36,847 I was like five years old, and that's-- 326 00:17:36,931 --> 00:17:40,268 Bench pressing 45 pounds for a five-year-old's pretty incredible. 327 00:17:40,351 --> 00:17:43,437 So, you know, I was doing push-ups and pull-ups and sit-ups 328 00:17:43,521 --> 00:17:44,564 since I can remember. 329 00:17:44,647 --> 00:17:46,399 I wouldn't know if I was passionate about it when I was a little kid, 330 00:17:46,482 --> 00:17:48,359 it's something that, you know, I saw my Dad working out. 331 00:17:48,442 --> 00:17:50,486 It's something I did 'cause I followed the footsteps of my Dad. 332 00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:52,071 I had a lot of issues. I had separation anxiety 333 00:17:52,154 --> 00:17:53,739 when I was a kid, I had school phobia. 334 00:17:53,823 --> 00:17:56,659 We'd have like these math... these speed math tests, 335 00:17:56,742 --> 00:17:59,078 you know, like 4th grade, and if I didn't win, 336 00:17:59,161 --> 00:18:02,248 or if I didn't get a 100 percent on the test, 337 00:18:02,331 --> 00:18:04,709 I missed one, I'd literally have an anxiety attack, 338 00:18:04,792 --> 00:18:06,335 and I'd leave school. 339 00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:08,004 I just didn't have the social skills. 340 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,755 I was always a good athlete, and people always, 341 00:18:09,839 --> 00:18:11,090 I was known for sports, 342 00:18:11,173 --> 00:18:14,010 but I was never hanging out with popular kids. 343 00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:15,678 We'd just cruise to the football games, 344 00:18:15,761 --> 00:18:17,597 and my Dad was giving me these pep talks, 345 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,850 you know, just visualization and tell me what I had to do. 346 00:18:20,933 --> 00:18:23,519 My Dad was hard on us both, you know. 347 00:18:23,603 --> 00:18:25,104 Um... 348 00:18:27,565 --> 00:18:30,693 Even like practices, I had goals every practice I had to do. 349 00:18:30,776 --> 00:18:33,654 We'd have live scrimmages and what not, and my Dad would tell me 350 00:18:33,738 --> 00:18:35,573 you have to make this ex amount of tackles. 351 00:18:35,656 --> 00:18:38,909 I did it. I always made sure I did what my Dad asked me to do, 352 00:18:38,993 --> 00:18:42,246 and there would be certain times where I wouldn't do what he told me to do 353 00:18:42,330 --> 00:18:44,457 and you know, I'd hear it, you know. 354 00:18:44,540 --> 00:18:46,917 It's not because he was being a jerk, 355 00:18:47,001 --> 00:18:51,130 it was because he expected, he knew what my capabilities were. 356 00:18:51,213 --> 00:18:53,674 I got in so many fights. I wouldn't really call them fights. 357 00:18:53,758 --> 00:18:56,093 I'd get tapped on the shoulder and just blasted. 358 00:18:56,177 --> 00:18:58,554 My neighbor at the time was about 32 years old, 359 00:18:58,638 --> 00:18:59,764 and he was just jacked. 360 00:18:59,847 --> 00:19:03,684 And I was like, "Man, who is this guy?" Like, "I wanna look like this," you know. 361 00:19:03,768 --> 00:19:05,936 And he got me my first job at the gym. 362 00:19:06,979 --> 00:19:09,023 [Matt] It was a way that I could go in, 363 00:19:09,106 --> 00:19:11,942 And [stammers] I could take all that negativity 364 00:19:12,026 --> 00:19:16,697 and harness it and focus it into something positive. 365 00:19:17,948 --> 00:19:22,703 I was getting bullied and harassed by so many people, 366 00:19:22,787 --> 00:19:24,538 and my car would get messed with, 367 00:19:24,622 --> 00:19:27,875 and I had people waiting with, no joke, baseball bats, 368 00:19:27,958 --> 00:19:31,921 waiting for me, 'cause I worked at the gym late at night. I would leave by myself. 369 00:19:32,004 --> 00:19:33,756 I mean, I reached the point to where... 370 00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:39,011 I felt like I was going to get killed, like it was that, um... 371 00:19:39,095 --> 00:19:42,515 I basically got post-traumatic stress disorder from being bullied so bad 372 00:19:42,598 --> 00:19:45,643 at that young age 'cause I just... I didn't know how to deal with it. 373 00:19:45,726 --> 00:19:48,562 I didn't know what to do. I couldn't understand why it was going on. 374 00:19:50,147 --> 00:19:52,483 -[grunts] -[Dennis] Come on, Matt, five... 375 00:19:52,566 --> 00:19:53,984 [Dennis] Let me throw this question out. 376 00:19:54,068 --> 00:19:58,781 Cardio, fast on an empty stomach. Fasted or not? 377 00:19:58,864 --> 00:19:59,865 -[Jeremy] Fasted. -[David Morin] Fasted. 378 00:19:59,949 --> 00:20:01,659 -[Dennis] Okay, why? -Because I get results. 379 00:20:01,742 --> 00:20:03,327 [Tonnell] There's pros and cons to it. 380 00:20:03,411 --> 00:20:05,621 -Like, I don't do fasted cardio at all. -[Dennis] Why not? 381 00:20:05,705 --> 00:20:08,374 I feel like I lose a lot of muscle when I do it. 382 00:20:08,457 --> 00:20:11,043 I have to have something consumed in my body 383 00:20:11,127 --> 00:20:12,628 before I start my workout personally. 384 00:20:12,712 --> 00:20:15,214 Yeah, but you don't worry about it if you consume, 385 00:20:15,297 --> 00:20:18,134 let's say, three, four, 500 calories before you do your cardio 386 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:20,261 and that's all you burn off? 387 00:20:20,344 --> 00:20:22,930 Instead of going to the body fat that you wanna lose? 388 00:20:23,013 --> 00:20:25,933 That's why I think fasted cardio is the main thing 389 00:20:26,016 --> 00:20:28,018 because now, you have no calories in your body-- 390 00:20:28,102 --> 00:20:30,688 -[TJ] What's your night-time meal? -[Dennis] Are you eating carbs at night? 391 00:20:30,771 --> 00:20:32,106 Yeah. 392 00:20:32,189 --> 00:20:35,151 Okay, so-- But carbohydrates are in and out of the system 393 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:37,403 anywhere from three to six hours, 394 00:20:37,486 --> 00:20:40,322 so you wait-- You have your meal at 9:00 p.m., 395 00:20:40,406 --> 00:20:43,117 you're having oatmeal, whatever, I mean... 396 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,494 You're not saying what you eat so I gotta assume here. 397 00:20:45,578 --> 00:20:47,955 You know, if you have egg whites and oatmeal at night, 398 00:20:48,038 --> 00:20:51,208 54 grams of carbs, 50 grams of protein. 399 00:20:51,292 --> 00:20:53,252 Okay, that oatmeal is gonna be in your system. 400 00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:55,671 [Jason] You know, it's gonna be transported into glucose, okay. 401 00:20:55,755 --> 00:20:58,048 It will restore what you burned off all day, 402 00:20:58,132 --> 00:21:01,969 or it'll be, you know, spilled over, and you'll store it as fat. 403 00:21:02,052 --> 00:21:05,723 So by the time you wake up, depending on, you know, what time it is, 404 00:21:05,806 --> 00:21:08,684 that's why you might need to explore healthy fats, you know, 405 00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:11,437 because if you're flattening out too much, 406 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,231 you know, you got to look at a more long term energy source 407 00:21:14,315 --> 00:21:16,567 like a healthy fat, even at night. 408 00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:22,490 If you haven't had your breakfast, uh... Do you keep your heart rate lower? 409 00:21:22,573 --> 00:21:25,993 And what is that number you keep it at the extended period of time? 410 00:21:26,076 --> 00:21:27,077 Um... 411 00:21:27,161 --> 00:21:32,458 Personally, for me, the heart rate should be anywhere between 120 and 140, okay? 412 00:21:32,541 --> 00:21:37,797 And the length of the cardio depends on what your diet is like. 413 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,716 If you're on a high fat diet, let's call it, The Ketosis Diet, 414 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,595 I think you should go longer with lower intensity. 415 00:21:44,678 --> 00:21:48,182 And if you're on a low, moderate carb diet, 416 00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:51,060 you should go faster, higher intensity cardio. 417 00:21:51,143 --> 00:21:55,189 The best time to do cardio is always on an empty stomach. 418 00:21:55,272 --> 00:21:57,691 Lot of people, they don't have the cardio equipment at the house. 419 00:21:57,775 --> 00:22:01,445 They don't have the time to go to the gym 'cause they gotta work, then I tell them, 420 00:22:01,529 --> 00:22:05,783 "Then do it after your workout when you're somewhat semi-empty again." 421 00:22:05,866 --> 00:22:07,993 I'm gonna jump in and say something. 422 00:22:08,077 --> 00:22:11,789 The most effective thing for me is, I'll do a minute walk, 423 00:22:11,872 --> 00:22:13,165 followed by a minute of sprint. 424 00:22:13,249 --> 00:22:15,709 Then I'll bring my heart rate down again and walk for one minute. 425 00:22:15,793 --> 00:22:17,002 -Then I'll sprint for a minute. -[Jason] Mm-hm. 426 00:22:17,086 --> 00:22:18,921 So constantly bringing the heart rate up and down-- 427 00:22:19,004 --> 00:22:21,048 You're doing that, uh, for an extended period of time? 428 00:22:21,131 --> 00:22:22,758 Or do you shorten the amount of time you're doing your cardio? 429 00:22:22,842 --> 00:22:25,010 It depends. Right now, I'm holding some body fat, 430 00:22:25,094 --> 00:22:26,679 I'll probably do 40 minutes. 431 00:22:26,762 --> 00:22:31,349 But leading up to a show, I'll be maybe three percent body fat, 432 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:33,394 I'll probably do 25 minutes. 433 00:22:33,477 --> 00:22:36,897 You know, I've gotten away with doing 15 minutes and still losing body fat. 434 00:22:36,981 --> 00:22:40,276 The way you're looking, you can't argue with Sadik. 435 00:22:40,358 --> 00:22:43,863 I started training super hard, eating 4,000 calories a day, 436 00:22:43,946 --> 00:22:47,157 and two-hour workouts a day, five, six days a week. 437 00:22:47,241 --> 00:22:52,830 I put on about 40 pounds, naturally, in, uh, about six, eight months. 438 00:22:52,913 --> 00:22:56,458 You know, I mentioned I couldn't even talk to a girl, let alone get a date, 439 00:22:56,542 --> 00:22:59,336 but I did actually get a date for homecoming, 440 00:22:59,420 --> 00:23:03,299 and bought the, you know, the new outfit and the corsage and rented the limo, 441 00:23:03,381 --> 00:23:05,509 and she called me the night of and told me she was gonna be going 442 00:23:05,593 --> 00:23:06,677 with my best friend instead. 443 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,847 I was so devastated, but it was one of those things 444 00:23:09,930 --> 00:23:15,311 that it was just like, man, one day, you know, I'm not gonna be overlooked. 445 00:23:19,148 --> 00:23:22,693 [Jeremy] 32nd game of my senior year, went against a 270 pound center. 446 00:23:22,776 --> 00:23:26,447 He came out on me to try and lead block, and I popped him right in the mouth, 447 00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:29,158 but my neck snapped back, and I've never gone down on the field. 448 00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:31,285 My dad told me, "I don't care if you break your leg. 449 00:23:31,368 --> 00:23:33,579 You crawl off the field. You never stop a game." 450 00:23:33,662 --> 00:23:36,665 So, my neck snapped back, stinger down the side. 451 00:23:36,749 --> 00:23:40,210 I just felt this-- My arm went completely numb. 452 00:23:40,294 --> 00:23:43,547 Ran off the side, you know, I didn't stop the game. Ran off, an arm dangling. 453 00:23:43,631 --> 00:23:47,676 Ended up bulging a disk in my neck and I-- 454 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,721 You know, it hindered me the rest of the year, you know. 455 00:23:50,804 --> 00:23:55,559 But we had high hopes of me getting scholarships going into my senior year. 456 00:23:55,643 --> 00:23:58,270 When I finished football and I realized I wasn't gonna get-- 457 00:23:58,354 --> 00:24:00,105 I wasn't gonna play football in college, 458 00:24:00,189 --> 00:24:04,610 I went to my coach and I told him, "Hey, I'm dropping your weights class." 459 00:24:04,693 --> 00:24:06,236 -I was like, I'm not gonna get big... -[groans] 460 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,365 training the way you're having us train, so, you know, I wanna be a bodybuilder. 461 00:24:09,447 --> 00:24:13,327 I was prepping for my first bodybuilding show before I graduated. 462 00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:15,537 So I'd go to school with [stammers] my food, 463 00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:17,748 -and kids would just give me a hard time. -[groans] 464 00:24:17,831 --> 00:24:19,959 Even teachers would give me a hard time. 465 00:24:20,042 --> 00:24:22,336 You know, I had a teacher call me, "no neck". 466 00:24:22,419 --> 00:24:25,798 Being shorter and having muscle, 467 00:24:25,881 --> 00:24:30,135 you're an easy target 'cause you got bigger guys want to test you. 468 00:24:30,219 --> 00:24:33,639 -Two and three, beautiful. -[grunts] 469 00:24:33,722 --> 00:24:39,477 Been dying to ask, you know, some of you IFBB Pros, are you guys--? 470 00:24:39,561 --> 00:24:41,981 You know, there are so many different equations out there to follow for diet, 471 00:24:42,064 --> 00:24:43,691 and I call it thinning the skin. 472 00:24:43,774 --> 00:24:47,361 Are you guys really into carb cycling or you just going negative calories? 473 00:24:47,444 --> 00:24:49,487 How are you keeping track of how negative you are 474 00:24:49,571 --> 00:24:51,281 to make sure you're not burning up your muscle? 475 00:24:51,365 --> 00:24:56,453 Myself, my coach, we go day to day. [stammers] We read my body every day. 476 00:24:56,537 --> 00:24:59,164 We make the adjustments we need based off of where my weight's at, 477 00:24:59,248 --> 00:25:01,083 the way I'm lookin', and how tight I am. 478 00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:03,419 You know, carb cycling, I use carb cycling. 479 00:25:03,501 --> 00:25:06,130 I'll go up on my high days, my low days, my moderate days. 480 00:25:06,213 --> 00:25:07,923 If I wanna drop down and tighten up, 481 00:25:08,007 --> 00:25:10,217 I'll drop my carbs or drop my calories a little bit, 482 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,678 and you know, if I wanna refeed back up and boost my metabolism, 483 00:25:12,761 --> 00:25:15,180 I'll have a high day, and then I'll drop right back down. 484 00:25:15,264 --> 00:25:19,351 'Cause typically when you do a refeed day, you might hold up the next day, 485 00:25:19,435 --> 00:25:21,478 but the following day, your weight will actually be lower. 486 00:25:21,562 --> 00:25:23,605 -Hold a little water? -You'll hold a bit of water, 487 00:25:23,689 --> 00:25:25,315 but that boost of the higher calories 488 00:25:25,399 --> 00:25:27,192 and higher carbs is gonna speed up metabolism, 489 00:25:27,276 --> 00:25:29,903 so you will be able to drop the next few days after that. 490 00:25:30,696 --> 00:25:32,448 [Jason exhaling] 491 00:25:32,530 --> 00:25:35,951 Cool. Down four pounds. [sighs] 492 00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:38,203 What would your fat and your carb be? 493 00:25:38,287 --> 00:25:39,288 -Personally? -Yeah. 494 00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:41,999 For me, my fats are right around 50 grams of fat a day, 495 00:25:42,082 --> 00:25:45,294 and my carbs can vary between 70 on a low day 496 00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:47,838 between 50 grams to a 125 grams of carbs. 497 00:25:47,921 --> 00:25:51,050 Usually, my weight will hold around 175... 498 00:25:51,133 --> 00:25:54,344 175 grams of carbs, but I don't go super high on fats, 499 00:25:54,428 --> 00:25:57,222 and when I do, my carbs are a lot lower. 500 00:25:57,306 --> 00:25:59,266 It's take in my fats or I take in the carb. 501 00:25:59,349 --> 00:26:01,769 I usually choose between the two. I mean, depends on your body. 502 00:26:01,852 --> 00:26:03,812 Like me and Matt are roughly the same size, 503 00:26:03,896 --> 00:26:06,774 and I carbed up the day before Olympia on 400 grams of carbs, 504 00:26:06,857 --> 00:26:08,984 he carbed up on a 1,000. 505 00:26:09,068 --> 00:26:11,320 If I were to do a thousand grams of carbs, I would... I'd spill over like that. 506 00:26:11,403 --> 00:26:12,404 Right. 507 00:26:12,488 --> 00:26:15,074 When we say, okay, we go up in fats-- 508 00:26:15,157 --> 00:26:17,743 Let's say you go up to 90 on a low carb day, 509 00:26:17,826 --> 00:26:21,121 what sources of fat do you choose? 510 00:26:21,205 --> 00:26:26,251 I usually use, uh, salmon, lean red meat, almonds, almond butter. 511 00:26:26,335 --> 00:26:30,506 Yeah, which is good essential fatty acids, of course, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 512 00:26:30,588 --> 00:26:33,050 -[Dennis] Anybody likes peanut butter? -I don't like peanut butter 513 00:26:33,133 --> 00:26:35,677 -because I'll eat the whole damn jar. -[Dennis] Too much, yeah. 514 00:26:35,761 --> 00:26:38,889 -That's self-manipulation. -[Dennis] I'm a peanut butter freak. 515 00:26:38,972 --> 00:26:43,811 So I went to the show, he told me, "Stop drinking three days out." 516 00:26:43,894 --> 00:26:48,482 I stopped drinking not knowing that you can kill yourself. 517 00:26:48,565 --> 00:26:52,319 Three days out from the show, I totally eliminated the water, 518 00:26:52,402 --> 00:26:55,030 which means, now I'm carb loading. 519 00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:57,157 What do I need to carb load? That's oatmeal. 520 00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:00,661 Don't drink for one day and try to eat oatmeal dry. 521 00:27:00,744 --> 00:27:03,122 -Oh, my God. -[laughs] 522 00:27:03,205 --> 00:27:05,415 [exhales] 523 00:27:05,499 --> 00:27:09,627 [Matt] The quickest way to lose body fat is to double your muscle mass. 524 00:27:09,711 --> 00:27:12,548 You need to lift heavy and you need to eat. Develop that muscle mass. 525 00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:17,594 And then your body will just lean out naturally to sustain that muscle. 526 00:27:17,678 --> 00:27:19,637 [Dennis] More muscle burns more fat. 527 00:27:19,721 --> 00:27:22,349 -[exhales] -[Jeremy] That's what we do in the gym. 528 00:27:22,432 --> 00:27:25,853 We're tearing our body apart and then rebuilding it. 529 00:27:27,062 --> 00:27:28,564 [exhales] 530 00:27:28,646 --> 00:27:32,234 [David Morin] I never liked the gym. I hated the gym, as a matter of fact. 531 00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:36,321 Until, um, my ex-wife left me for a guy in the gym. 532 00:27:36,405 --> 00:27:40,117 I need to get in shape, he's got what I want. The challenge is on. 533 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,164 I'm 6'2" at the time. Uh, when I got into the gym, I was 168 pounds. 534 00:27:45,247 --> 00:27:46,874 If I turned sideways, I'd disappear, 535 00:27:46,957 --> 00:27:50,169 except for that nice little belly I got 'cause I had a desk job. 536 00:27:50,252 --> 00:27:55,924 So I got in the gym, and the fascinating transformation occurred, and I was hungry. 537 00:27:56,008 --> 00:28:01,722 I was hungry for growth. I realized that living in a sedentary job field 538 00:28:01,805 --> 00:28:05,809 and you know, living the domesticated life of the nine to five and coming home, 539 00:28:05,893 --> 00:28:09,855 and that whole grind isn't conducive to biology. 540 00:28:09,938 --> 00:28:13,650 I got in there and started realizing that first, it was anger, you know, 541 00:28:13,734 --> 00:28:17,529 that propelled me into weight training and you know, and all that stuff, 542 00:28:17,613 --> 00:28:19,114 and building the body and becoming strong. 543 00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:22,242 Then it started becoming my therapy, um, 544 00:28:22,326 --> 00:28:26,704 because I started transmuting all those negative feelings, 545 00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:30,417 and it was working, you know, like it helped me transition from that breakup 546 00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:33,378 and get the attention I wanted from everybody else. 547 00:28:33,462 --> 00:28:37,299 What else can I do in my life the same way? 548 00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:39,343 What else did I have that was untapped potential, 549 00:28:39,426 --> 00:28:41,678 that was maybe negative that I could turn around? 550 00:28:41,762 --> 00:28:44,973 And, uh, that's when I realized there was a lot of people 551 00:28:45,057 --> 00:28:47,392 that I knew that needed the gym. 552 00:28:48,352 --> 00:28:50,854 [David Kimmerle] What is harder, losing fat or gaining muscle? 553 00:28:50,938 --> 00:28:53,482 You've got the ectomorph that's screaming, "Oh, my, gosh! Muscle's hard to put on." 554 00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:54,608 You got the mesomorph saying, 555 00:28:54,691 --> 00:28:57,110 "Dude, I wish I could just eat everything I want." 556 00:28:57,194 --> 00:28:59,238 I would much rather have a fast metabolism 557 00:28:59,321 --> 00:29:02,574 than have a hard time putting on size because you can always put size on. 558 00:29:02,658 --> 00:29:04,076 There's many methods. 559 00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:07,496 You know, [stammers] it's takes a daily grind to keep weight off. 560 00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:09,623 Like on your body type though, you're an ectomorph. 561 00:29:09,706 --> 00:29:11,875 -Yeah. -[Dennis] Yeah. Uh... 562 00:29:11,959 --> 00:29:13,252 Kind of meso too. 563 00:29:13,335 --> 00:29:15,254 I mean, I saw your pictures when you were a kid. 564 00:29:15,337 --> 00:29:16,463 -Yeah, yeah. -I mean-- 565 00:29:16,546 --> 00:29:18,090 Yeah. I was small. 566 00:29:18,173 --> 00:29:19,925 That's an interesting point because I think, 567 00:29:20,008 --> 00:29:22,261 you know, they say there's a phenotype and that's what you are, 568 00:29:22,344 --> 00:29:23,929 but I think you can transform. 569 00:29:24,012 --> 00:29:25,055 -You can change. -Yeah. 570 00:29:25,138 --> 00:29:27,474 You can get-- You can be a pure ectomorph based on the signals 571 00:29:27,557 --> 00:29:29,476 -of the protocol in the environment. -[Dennis] To each can change a lot too. 572 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,354 [David Morin] You're a soccer player, you're an ectomorph. 573 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:35,774 But you take that soccer player and you put him on a 12-week, you know, 574 00:29:35,857 --> 00:29:39,278 compound movement plan and improve his diet and supplements, 575 00:29:39,361 --> 00:29:41,655 you can make him into a mesomorph in 12 months. 576 00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:43,991 So genetics and all this stuff people talk, 577 00:29:44,074 --> 00:29:45,951 it's like... it's all relative to the environment. 578 00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:49,621 I can fluctuate five pounds in a day if I'm not eating right. 579 00:29:49,705 --> 00:29:51,832 I drop weight like, phew, like that. 580 00:29:51,915 --> 00:29:53,417 See, and the fact, I hate you. 581 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:54,584 [laughter] 582 00:29:54,668 --> 00:29:58,755 I started at 93 pounds, ectomorph. 583 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,174 Could not gain weight, could not gain weight. 584 00:30:01,258 --> 00:30:04,469 I just had to eat and eat and eat, eight to ten meals 585 00:30:04,553 --> 00:30:07,431 8,000 calories a day because I wanted to get bigger 586 00:30:07,514 --> 00:30:08,765 and get bigger and get bigger. 587 00:30:08,849 --> 00:30:12,311 Then you finally got there and then you-- For me, I fine tuned it, but it was hard. 588 00:30:12,394 --> 00:30:13,478 I was wondering what it would be like to-- 589 00:30:13,562 --> 00:30:15,647 Like have to eat too much and have that be a problem. 590 00:30:15,731 --> 00:30:18,483 It was a problem 'cause it costs a lot of money to eat that much. [laughs] 591 00:30:18,567 --> 00:30:20,694 -[laughter] -Touché, touché. Right. I like that. 592 00:30:20,777 --> 00:30:22,946 -There's more than one aspect to it. -You made me feel better. 593 00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:26,241 -[Dennis] So who believes in cheat meals? -I utilize my cheat meal. 594 00:30:26,325 --> 00:30:28,702 On a-- I utilize my cheat meal on a lagging body part day. 595 00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:30,329 Just getting that higher amount of, 596 00:30:30,412 --> 00:30:32,497 you know, the over-nourishment of the food, 597 00:30:32,581 --> 00:30:34,750 utilizing more, you know, eat, consume more red meats, 598 00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:37,044 get that extra creatine on a lagging body part, 599 00:30:37,127 --> 00:30:39,087 higher amount of carbs, the type of carbs. 600 00:30:39,171 --> 00:30:42,007 I like to go with starchy carbs [stammers] on a lagging body part day 601 00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:44,134 'cause those carbs are gonna hit me a lot quicker. 602 00:30:44,217 --> 00:30:46,970 My body is going to utilize them and I'm gonna grow faster. 603 00:30:47,054 --> 00:30:49,222 [Dennis] I'm glad that you brought this up because a lot of people 604 00:30:49,306 --> 00:30:50,307 cheat on their day off. 605 00:30:50,390 --> 00:30:53,143 They use their day off to do the cheat meal, 606 00:30:53,226 --> 00:30:54,519 and I was always the same. 607 00:30:54,603 --> 00:30:57,230 I said, "I cheat, but I gotta train that day." 608 00:30:57,314 --> 00:30:58,607 I always said the same thing. 609 00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,109 I had to cheat at least once a week 'cause I believe 610 00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:03,195 that it spikes your metabolism first, 611 00:31:03,278 --> 00:31:05,989 and number two, it keeps you sane from dieting, 612 00:31:06,073 --> 00:31:08,492 and you get, you know, you feel good, you know, that day, 613 00:31:08,575 --> 00:31:10,619 and it keeps you for another three, four, five days, 614 00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:13,330 and then you suffer one, and you already have another cheat meal again. 615 00:31:13,413 --> 00:31:18,335 You see me, I'll go from 240 to 190 like, you know, with a matter of a couple weeks. 616 00:31:18,418 --> 00:31:21,088 And I know that my body reacts to that type of training. 617 00:31:21,171 --> 00:31:23,590 I believe that when you fluctuate a lot, 618 00:31:23,673 --> 00:31:26,968 and you go through these, you know, vicious cycles of packing on 619 00:31:27,052 --> 00:31:30,347 and then ripping it down, that it messes with your brain, 620 00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:33,225 um, among other things, like your body chemistry. 621 00:31:33,308 --> 00:31:37,562 But I found that once started eating really clean on a daily basis, 622 00:31:37,646 --> 00:31:41,233 and then having cheat meals, like for me, it's having desserts, 623 00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:42,818 and that kind of keeps my sanity. 624 00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:46,780 I, mentally, as bad ass as I try to be, 625 00:31:46,863 --> 00:31:50,867 I got a really hard time stopping the cheat. 626 00:31:50,951 --> 00:31:53,245 That's the difference between people that's gonna make it 627 00:31:53,328 --> 00:31:56,081 and the people that won't make it. [laughs] 628 00:31:56,164 --> 00:31:57,791 Lower it down one more time, right here. 629 00:31:57,874 --> 00:31:59,000 -Come on. -[grunts] 630 00:31:59,084 --> 00:32:00,794 Come on. Come on, Sadik. 631 00:32:00,877 --> 00:32:02,796 -Come on, where you at? -[groans] 632 00:32:02,879 --> 00:32:04,673 -Come on. -I can do this. 633 00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:07,134 -Yes, come on. And three, come on. -[grunts] 634 00:32:07,217 --> 00:32:10,303 -One, come on, two, and good. -Thanks. 635 00:32:10,387 --> 00:32:11,972 [exhales, groans] 636 00:32:12,055 --> 00:32:14,266 You know, a lot of people think that bodybuilders are selfish. 637 00:32:14,349 --> 00:32:16,977 I'm not selfish, you know. I'm focused. 638 00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:21,606 I don't need to sit at home like a hobbit, and that's kinda how I lived before. 639 00:32:21,690 --> 00:32:23,900 I was like, "I can't go anywhere, I'm on lock down. 640 00:32:23,984 --> 00:32:26,528 I got a show comin' up. I can't do this, I can't do that." 641 00:32:26,611 --> 00:32:30,198 And you put people off, and guess what? You lose people. 642 00:32:30,282 --> 00:32:32,534 And guess what? Sometimes you don't get 'em back. 643 00:32:32,617 --> 00:32:35,829 It's hard on your friends too because they're not wrong 644 00:32:35,912 --> 00:32:38,582 for thinking the way that you think. You know, it's not normal. 645 00:32:38,665 --> 00:32:41,626 It's not normal to be in a gym every day for four hours. 646 00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:43,545 It's not normal to be eating every two hours. 647 00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:44,754 That's not a normal thing. 648 00:32:44,838 --> 00:32:47,591 But that's why the sport is so great because it's so difficult. 649 00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:50,802 People that aren't doing what we're doing don't necessarily understand 650 00:32:50,886 --> 00:32:52,387 the things that we put ourselves through. 651 00:32:53,138 --> 00:32:55,849 -[men laughing] -[indistinct chattering] 652 00:32:55,932 --> 00:32:58,935 [indistinct chatter] 653 00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:30,717 I came back from overseas in the military. I was in a hotel lobby bar. 654 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,427 I'm trying to work my game that night, 655 00:33:32,511 --> 00:33:35,639 trying to get the digits and get the shit situated, you know, 656 00:33:35,722 --> 00:33:39,142 and as I'm doing this, I get a tap on my shoulder and, uh, 657 00:33:39,226 --> 00:33:41,228 it was an agent, he keeps on talking to me, 658 00:33:41,311 --> 00:33:43,188 and, um, he's like, "Hey, man, you got a good looks. 659 00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:46,441 You should come up to my room, get some pictures," And, um-- 660 00:33:46,525 --> 00:33:47,859 [laughter] 661 00:33:47,943 --> 00:33:49,569 I didn't know how to take that, man. 662 00:33:49,653 --> 00:33:51,696 Those were fighting words for me back in the day. 663 00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:54,491 I went up to his room right away and stripped down. No, um-- 664 00:33:54,574 --> 00:33:57,327 [all laugh] 665 00:33:57,410 --> 00:33:59,663 -I told you sexual favors. -[David] And that's how it all started. 666 00:33:59,746 --> 00:34:01,456 Nah. Um... 667 00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:03,208 No, but I took his card down, man. 668 00:34:03,291 --> 00:34:06,378 He's saying, "Hey, I can make you famous. I can get you a cover." 669 00:34:06,461 --> 00:34:08,547 You wanna hear that so you believe it right away. 670 00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:10,590 You don't do the due diligence to really research it. 671 00:34:10,674 --> 00:34:13,635 Next thing you know, you're in a trap, in a corner. 672 00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:15,762 Your integrity's on the line, your name's on the line, 673 00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:18,682 and what are you gonna do? And you can't just back out right away 674 00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:21,518 because then you're gonna burn a bridge, this guy's gonna hate you. 675 00:34:21,601 --> 00:34:25,272 It's a really bad situation, so, that card I did my due diligence, I checked him out, 676 00:34:25,355 --> 00:34:27,482 researched him, found out he's legit. 677 00:34:27,566 --> 00:34:31,236 I gave him a call and said, "Hey, what do you think if I come up there?" 678 00:34:31,319 --> 00:34:32,946 So we did a test shoot, and um, 679 00:34:33,029 --> 00:34:35,115 the test shoot landed the cover of Muscle and Fitness. 680 00:34:35,198 --> 00:34:36,616 If you believe in what you're doing, 681 00:34:36,700 --> 00:34:39,286 and what your work is back-loaded with passion and love, 682 00:34:39,369 --> 00:34:44,207 I think it's gonna go a lot further than glory or fame or just popularity. 683 00:34:44,291 --> 00:34:47,752 [stammers] I think those fuels burn out in that fire, 684 00:34:47,836 --> 00:34:51,339 but, uh, you know, at the end of the day, it's like, you just gotta show up. 685 00:34:51,423 --> 00:34:55,468 You show up, you at least put yourself in a position to get an opportunity. 686 00:34:55,552 --> 00:34:58,930 You know, if you sit at home, no one's gonna come knocking on the door. 687 00:34:59,014 --> 00:35:02,434 Fitness, for me, has always been a very private thing. 688 00:35:02,517 --> 00:35:04,269 It's been my coping mechanism. 689 00:35:04,352 --> 00:35:06,313 It's been my release. 690 00:35:06,396 --> 00:35:11,192 And that's why, you know, I never got compelled to go up on stage 691 00:35:11,276 --> 00:35:13,028 and compare myself to other people 692 00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:17,032 'cause to me, I just wanted to be the best me, you know. 693 00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:21,536 And the sure fire way I knew to screw up something that you love 694 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:23,663 is to try to make a business out of it. 695 00:35:23,747 --> 00:35:26,499 It's no longer fun. Now it's a job. 696 00:35:26,583 --> 00:35:29,502 [TJ] Covers are a byproduct of just fucking working out. 697 00:35:30,545 --> 00:35:32,589 To be honest, I don't try to monetize 'em. 698 00:35:32,672 --> 00:35:33,673 [Jason] Bullshit. 699 00:35:33,757 --> 00:35:36,968 You don't want to get on the stage, compare yourself to other people. 700 00:35:37,052 --> 00:35:39,804 I think that's why anyone gets in a sport, to compare themselves-- 701 00:35:39,888 --> 00:35:42,641 -Some people have something to prove. -I was never in your sport, bro. 702 00:35:42,724 --> 00:35:45,935 Yeah, but what sport--? Are you in any sport? 703 00:35:46,019 --> 00:35:50,440 I wrestled for six years. I did martial arts, I boxed but... 704 00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:52,609 You wanna be on covers of magazines, 705 00:35:52,692 --> 00:35:56,988 you wanna be in magazines, you wanna act, you wanna put on makeup, 706 00:35:57,072 --> 00:36:01,993 you wanna get in front of lights, cameras, action, 707 00:36:02,077 --> 00:36:06,623 but you don't wanna get up and show your hard work, 708 00:36:06,706 --> 00:36:09,876 and show that your hard work is better than someone else's? 709 00:36:09,959 --> 00:36:11,961 I don't understand. How is one--? How is--? 710 00:36:12,045 --> 00:36:13,505 I don't under-- I don't get it. 711 00:36:13,588 --> 00:36:15,173 You're missing my point, bro. 712 00:36:15,256 --> 00:36:16,758 [Jason] Yeah, I am, so that's why I'm asking. 713 00:36:16,841 --> 00:36:20,929 All right. For me, I never wanted to make a business out of fitness 714 00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:24,933 because it was something very dear to me ever since I was a kid. 715 00:36:25,016 --> 00:36:28,186 It was something that actually helped me overcome adversity. 716 00:36:28,269 --> 00:36:30,480 It's something that I've, still to this day, turn to, 717 00:36:30,563 --> 00:36:33,316 every time I got an issue or a problem, I go workout. 718 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,444 I don't-- I respect what you guys do so don't take it that way. 719 00:36:36,528 --> 00:36:38,154 No, I'm-- I know I'm not. I'm just... 720 00:36:38,238 --> 00:36:39,948 You might have, but the truth is, 721 00:36:40,031 --> 00:36:42,784 I admire what you guys do, to put your balls on the line. 722 00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:46,830 Because it's not a pure sport. There's-- 723 00:36:46,913 --> 00:36:50,375 It's left to the subject of opinion, to people, 724 00:36:50,458 --> 00:36:54,462 and everyone has different opinions. Judges have different opinions. 725 00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:59,342 And who's to say, you know, you're not as good as this guy? 726 00:36:59,426 --> 00:37:02,053 You guys are fucking at the top of your game. 727 00:37:02,137 --> 00:37:04,806 Who's to say you're not as good as this guy? 728 00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:07,809 He's fucking bad ass. He won the title, he deserves it. 729 00:37:07,892 --> 00:37:12,063 And I ain't takin' nothing away from you. [stammers] It's subjective. 730 00:37:12,147 --> 00:37:15,942 And call me a control freak, but I don't like leaving my fate 731 00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:19,612 up to subjective opinions of others. That's part of it. 732 00:37:19,696 --> 00:37:23,950 The other is, I got into fitness because I just started working out 733 00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:26,619 'cause I had issues I had to sort out as a kid. 734 00:37:26,703 --> 00:37:29,080 So that's what I turned to instead of drugs or alcohol. 735 00:37:29,164 --> 00:37:32,542 And some of us live with two different people. 736 00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:36,379 -Oh, yeah. -Who you are, your persona that you use, 737 00:37:36,463 --> 00:37:38,757 everything you use to manipulate some persona 738 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,092 to get some type of success... 739 00:37:41,176 --> 00:37:42,802 is illusion. 740 00:37:42,886 --> 00:37:43,970 -Yeah. -It's ego. 741 00:37:44,053 --> 00:37:46,806 If we don't have a belief that we can become that person, 742 00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:50,393 that lack of a belief turns every journey into a debate. 743 00:37:50,477 --> 00:37:52,604 Pain versus pride, and pain starts to fill so much 744 00:37:52,687 --> 00:37:55,315 that all of a sudden, we start second guessing who we wanna be. 745 00:37:55,398 --> 00:37:59,277 Well, you can manipulate it. Just at the end of the day, 746 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,489 don't believe that that manipulation was ever you. 747 00:38:02,572 --> 00:38:06,326 Because when that's taken away from you, you'd be pretty sad, you know. 748 00:38:06,409 --> 00:38:09,454 You don't put stock in stuff that's manipulated. 749 00:38:09,537 --> 00:38:11,998 Put stock in who you are, the value of who you are, 750 00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:13,124 and your emotion and happiness 751 00:38:13,208 --> 00:38:15,627 'cause we take away all the stuff that we use, 752 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:17,754 we take away all the supplements we use. 753 00:38:17,837 --> 00:38:22,217 I mean, ultimately, we became who we are because we really truly weren't happy. 754 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:25,053 We couldn't accept who we were, you know? 755 00:38:25,136 --> 00:38:27,222 We go through a process of accepting ourselves. 756 00:38:27,305 --> 00:38:29,474 You believe in the title, you believe in the cover, 757 00:38:29,557 --> 00:38:32,310 you believed in this, and then when it was gone, 758 00:38:32,393 --> 00:38:33,853 "Fuck, who am I?" 759 00:38:33,937 --> 00:38:36,314 I mean, how many guys you see go in the gym, 760 00:38:36,397 --> 00:38:37,482 and it's like leg day, right? 761 00:38:37,565 --> 00:38:41,569 And it's their day they don't wanna do, that's their weakest day, right? 762 00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:43,696 They go into the gym, I'm gonna do legs, right? 763 00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:46,282 And, uh, they go in the off hour, no one's really there, 764 00:38:46,366 --> 00:38:49,536 but it so happens Sally's there, some girl that they wanna hook up with, 765 00:38:49,619 --> 00:38:51,663 so all of a sudden, it doesn't become leg day, does it? 766 00:38:51,746 --> 00:38:53,957 It turns right into arm day or something or chest day, 767 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,501 -so they can show off in front of Sally. -[all laugh] 768 00:38:56,584 --> 00:38:59,128 That's someone that's doing something for a third party. 769 00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:01,631 They don't pay your bills yet you give them all this value. 770 00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:04,676 It makes no sense. If you really want Sally, you believe in what you want, 771 00:39:04,759 --> 00:39:06,594 you go after, no matter what, what anyone says. 772 00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:08,847 And when you reach those horizons, 773 00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:13,101 trust me, Sally and Sue and Nicole and everybody else gonna come, 774 00:39:13,184 --> 00:39:16,604 and you get to pick your choice because you're a leader, man. 775 00:39:17,772 --> 00:39:20,066 ["Ready for Battle" playing] 776 00:39:34,038 --> 00:39:36,332 ♪ Ready for battle ♪ 777 00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:40,795 ♪ Ready for war ♪ 778 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,179 ♪ Ready for battle ♪ 779 00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:55,226 ♪ Ready for war ♪ 780 00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:01,274 ♪ 'Cause I'm ready for battle ♪ 781 00:40:03,151 --> 00:40:05,653 ♪ 'Cause I'm ready for war ♪ 782 00:40:08,031 --> 00:40:09,157 ♪ Ready for battle ♪ 783 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,492 ♪ I'm prepared for war Before the limelight ♪ 784 00:40:11,576 --> 00:40:14,037 ♪ Ready for my weapon of choice I know the time's right ♪ 785 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,622 ♪ Feelin' like a million soldiers ♪ 786 00:40:15,705 --> 00:40:18,541 ♪ Ready to deal with the agony Of battle in by the light ♪ 787 00:40:18,625 --> 00:40:20,752 ♪ Ready for battle Ready for war ♪ 788 00:40:20,835 --> 00:40:23,212 ♪ Ready to fight Hit it on the walls ♪ 789 00:40:23,296 --> 00:40:25,423 ♪ A soldier at heart The blood on the stone ♪ 790 00:40:25,506 --> 00:40:28,051 ♪ They fire for bomb Then I get up for more ♪ 791 00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:30,303 ♪ 'Cause I'm ready for battle ♪ 792 00:40:33,306 --> 00:40:34,766 ♪ Ready for war ♪ 793 00:40:38,144 --> 00:40:40,396 ♪ 'Cause I'm ready for battle ♪ 794 00:40:48,863 --> 00:40:53,409 [shouting, cheering] 795 00:40:53,493 --> 00:40:56,871 [laughter] 796 00:40:58,623 --> 00:41:02,043 [Jeremy] I grew up cooking a lot. I can cook anything and everything. 797 00:41:03,378 --> 00:41:05,630 But since I'm dieting all the time, 798 00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:08,424 I don't get to enjoy any like-- So I look forward to offseason. 799 00:41:08,508 --> 00:41:10,551 Cooking is like one of my favorite things to do. 800 00:41:10,635 --> 00:41:12,762 I hate pulling water. Do you like--? 801 00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:15,306 It just depends on how conditioned you come into the show 802 00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:16,432 and how ready you are. 803 00:41:16,516 --> 00:41:20,853 For me, like, at the San Jose show, I didn't carb up 'til two days before 804 00:41:20,937 --> 00:41:23,982 because I was already super conditioned, and I had to pull water very hard. 805 00:41:24,065 --> 00:41:26,693 You know, post Olympia, I came in bigger but I was holding water, 806 00:41:26,776 --> 00:41:29,529 so I started carbing up on Tuesday, four days out, 807 00:41:29,612 --> 00:41:31,823 and I pulled water a lot harder the last two days, 808 00:41:31,906 --> 00:41:34,242 and it worked both ways. 809 00:41:34,325 --> 00:41:39,414 But you know, I prefer to not pull water as hard 'cause you don't feel as bad. 810 00:41:39,497 --> 00:41:41,124 -My head was startin' to hurt. -Headaches, dude. 811 00:41:41,207 --> 00:41:43,418 -My head was killing me Friday. -You wake up with headaches. 812 00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:44,544 I was walking through the expo, 813 00:41:44,627 --> 00:41:46,462 and everybody come up to try and talk to you 814 00:41:46,546 --> 00:41:48,798 before you go on stage, like I just wasn't there mentally. 815 00:41:48,881 --> 00:41:51,092 I was like, "Everybody, I gotta go and go rest." 816 00:41:51,175 --> 00:41:53,011 -I train hard all up to the showtime. -Really? 817 00:41:53,094 --> 00:41:54,470 The day before, I don't work out but... 818 00:41:54,554 --> 00:41:57,098 -Yeah. - You don't find yourself swollen? 819 00:41:57,181 --> 00:41:58,182 No. 820 00:41:58,266 --> 00:42:03,104 I don't hit legs hard, that's for sure, before a shoot. My legs swell up. 821 00:42:03,187 --> 00:42:04,981 With bodybuilding, I mean, we'd stop at like, 822 00:42:05,064 --> 00:42:07,483 for me, seven to ten days out, I would stop doing legs, 823 00:42:07,567 --> 00:42:10,403 so they wouldn't hold water, you know. But it's different now, you know? 824 00:42:10,486 --> 00:42:12,655 Pretty much working all the way up until the show. 825 00:42:12,739 --> 00:42:16,284 I don't train too hard the last week so I can walk straight on stage. 826 00:42:16,367 --> 00:42:18,077 [laughter] 827 00:42:18,161 --> 00:42:21,581 It's not just like we diet for two days and then we take a day off. 828 00:42:21,664 --> 00:42:23,332 It's like day after day after day, 829 00:42:23,416 --> 00:42:25,460 week after week after week, month after month after month, 830 00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:26,627 and year after year after year. 831 00:42:26,711 --> 00:42:29,672 I mean, that's like, it's-- You've been doing this for 15 years now 832 00:42:29,756 --> 00:42:32,467 and the way you looked back then wasn't as good as the way you look now. 833 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:34,594 - Right. -It's just like a constant progression. 834 00:42:35,178 --> 00:42:37,305 [exhales] 835 00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:41,100 We do something that looks very healthy, 836 00:42:41,184 --> 00:42:46,814 but in actuality, it's very damaging to the person, mentally and physically. 837 00:42:46,898 --> 00:42:48,566 You know, if you're training twice a day, every day, 838 00:42:48,649 --> 00:42:50,485 if you're not consuming the right amount of calories, 839 00:42:50,568 --> 00:42:54,072 if you're not sleeping and resting enough, you're risking injury. 840 00:42:54,155 --> 00:42:56,574 I'll tell you what I feel like a day before the show. 841 00:42:56,657 --> 00:43:00,787 Day before the show, noises hurt me, you know, gives me headaches. 842 00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:04,665 Bright lights, they give me headaches. TV, you know, everything's off. 843 00:43:04,749 --> 00:43:09,295 Dizziness, you know, confusion, anxiety, 844 00:43:09,378 --> 00:43:13,424 all these things come into play in the last few weeks before a show, 845 00:43:13,508 --> 00:43:16,219 and you really do, you have to remind yourself, 846 00:43:16,302 --> 00:43:18,096 "Hey, this is only happening, 847 00:43:18,179 --> 00:43:21,641 I only feel this way because I'm so, you know, lean." 848 00:43:21,724 --> 00:43:23,810 You know, your body needs calories. 849 00:43:23,893 --> 00:43:27,522 It needs that stuff to, you know, feel normal. 850 00:43:27,605 --> 00:43:30,691 And it's not normal and you will not feel normal. 851 00:43:30,775 --> 00:43:32,193 I heard a quote one time, they said, 852 00:43:32,276 --> 00:43:34,403 "To get in the best, uh, condition of your life, 853 00:43:34,487 --> 00:43:36,155 you have to feel your worst." 854 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,661 And I never once, you know, had anxiety or headaches or felt sick, 855 00:43:41,744 --> 00:43:43,788 but once I really started dialing down 856 00:43:43,871 --> 00:43:46,165 and getting into that one percent body fat, 857 00:43:46,249 --> 00:43:48,501 you can see how the mind will play tricks on you. 858 00:43:48,584 --> 00:43:52,088 Most people, they would go to a hospital for that, you know, but not me. 859 00:43:57,927 --> 00:43:58,928 [TJ] Yeah. 860 00:44:03,975 --> 00:44:05,518 I've got my six-pack bag. 861 00:44:05,601 --> 00:44:10,565 I'm loading it up with my fuel meals, which prepare all my meals for me, 862 00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:13,442 helps keep me fueled throughout the day. Let's go train. 863 00:44:14,110 --> 00:44:18,114 ["Grindin'" by Thomas Tha Franchise playing] 864 00:44:18,197 --> 00:44:20,491 [grunts] 865 00:44:20,575 --> 00:44:24,120 [grunts] 866 00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:27,540 Come on. 867 00:44:29,167 --> 00:44:32,211 [grunts] One more. 868 00:44:32,295 --> 00:44:34,630 -[grunts] -Come on, come on. 869 00:44:34,714 --> 00:44:38,342 Come on. Where you at? Where you at? 870 00:44:41,554 --> 00:44:44,849 -One at a time -[grunting] 871 00:44:54,775 --> 00:44:57,320 [exhales] 872 00:45:19,926 --> 00:45:24,305 The reason most people fail in achieving their perfect physique 873 00:45:24,388 --> 00:45:26,265 is because they fail in the kitchen. 874 00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:29,060 So, I don't care how hard they train in the gym, 875 00:45:29,143 --> 00:45:32,647 you know, how many repetitions, how many days you're training, 876 00:45:32,729 --> 00:45:35,566 you're not gonna see any results unless you eat properly, you know. 877 00:45:35,650 --> 00:45:38,819 If I have a Ferrari, I'm gonna put 93 octane in my Ferrari. 878 00:45:38,903 --> 00:45:40,613 I'm not gonna put low grade gasoline. 879 00:45:40,696 --> 00:45:43,366 I don't enjoy cooking but, you know, I enjoy winning, 880 00:45:43,449 --> 00:45:46,118 and in order for me to win the Mr. Olympia, 881 00:45:46,202 --> 00:45:49,247 I have to eat the way I eat, and it's gonna pay off. 882 00:45:49,330 --> 00:45:53,876 This is probably 60 grams of protein. I have to weigh it. 883 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,713 At this point though, I really, when you weigh something every single day, 884 00:45:57,797 --> 00:46:00,132 all day, every day, eight times a day 885 00:46:00,216 --> 00:46:03,010 for three years, four years, five years, six, 886 00:46:03,094 --> 00:46:06,222 then you literally can look at something and be pretty damn accurate. 887 00:46:06,305 --> 00:46:08,266 Sadik's always got about 80 grams of carbs there. 888 00:46:08,349 --> 00:46:11,560 -[David Morin] That's pretty beasty, man. -I can sit there and count it up. 889 00:46:11,644 --> 00:46:15,606 He's got like, I look at food constantly 'cause I don't have a scale everywhere, 890 00:46:15,690 --> 00:46:19,819 so I'm like, "He's got about what, seven ounces or eight ounces of steak?" 891 00:46:19,902 --> 00:46:20,903 [Sadik] Ten. 892 00:46:20,987 --> 00:46:21,988 -Ten ounces? -[Sadik] That's like ten. 893 00:46:22,071 --> 00:46:25,074 And that's like eight or nine ounces of sweet potato. 894 00:46:25,157 --> 00:46:26,826 And it's a nice, low, glycemic carb, 895 00:46:26,909 --> 00:46:29,620 so it's diabetic-friendly carb, in general, right? 896 00:46:29,704 --> 00:46:33,499 He's going like 75 grams of protein and 80 grams of carbs. 897 00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:35,960 Don't forget about the pickle. 898 00:46:36,043 --> 00:46:37,295 -[Matt] And the pickle. -And the pickle. 899 00:46:37,378 --> 00:46:40,631 One of the things that I noticed that were the differences 900 00:46:40,715 --> 00:46:43,551 between the physique guys that actually compete against each other 901 00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:48,848 and the fitness guys are that physique is a competition. 902 00:46:48,931 --> 00:46:51,392 You guys are gettin' up on stage, 903 00:46:51,475 --> 00:46:54,145 and you are competing against one each other. 904 00:46:54,228 --> 00:46:58,316 And so, that immediately puts you in a different mindset, 905 00:46:58,399 --> 00:47:01,193 to where, this person is your friend. 906 00:47:01,277 --> 00:47:03,070 And you can compartmentalize that, 907 00:47:03,154 --> 00:47:05,364 but at one point or another, there's a switch that happens, 908 00:47:05,448 --> 00:47:08,617 just like fighters fightin' each other that are in the same camp, 909 00:47:08,701 --> 00:47:10,161 where you gotta take that person down 910 00:47:10,244 --> 00:47:13,622 and you got to do everything you can to win within the rules. 911 00:47:13,706 --> 00:47:16,542 And so, at that point, they become your competitor. 912 00:47:16,625 --> 00:47:19,503 David, you gettin' ready to compete. Is this your first show? 913 00:47:19,587 --> 00:47:22,340 I won the Mr. California overall. I won-- 914 00:47:22,423 --> 00:47:24,425 -So you're qualified for the nationals? -Yeah, I've qualified, 915 00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:27,803 and I go to the nationals in the USA, and I end up, 916 00:47:27,887 --> 00:47:29,930 I guess my biggest mistake is overthinking it. 917 00:47:30,014 --> 00:47:32,224 I was going up there and doing what I felt like 918 00:47:32,308 --> 00:47:34,185 the judges wanted to see, and I was wrong. 919 00:47:34,268 --> 00:47:36,896 I would go up there and do my fitness model poses. 920 00:47:36,979 --> 00:47:38,939 -So... -[Dennis] So what's your approach now? 921 00:47:39,023 --> 00:47:42,485 I'll have perfected my posing as much as I can, 922 00:47:42,568 --> 00:47:44,070 do a different presentation to the judges, 923 00:47:44,153 --> 00:47:45,988 and hopefully, I place a little better this time. 924 00:47:48,908 --> 00:47:50,785 [narrator] Hany Rambod, known as the Pro Creator, 925 00:47:50,867 --> 00:47:54,330 has 13 Olympia titles to his credit as a pro trainer 926 00:47:54,413 --> 00:47:57,666 and prep coach of some of the top physiques in the world. 927 00:47:58,709 --> 00:48:01,087 [Sadik] I really work extensively on my posing. 928 00:48:01,170 --> 00:48:02,879 A lot of athletes, they just focus on the gym. 929 00:48:02,963 --> 00:48:04,632 Yeah, you can have the best physique in the world, 930 00:48:04,715 --> 00:48:06,717 but if you can't present it right, doesn't matter. 931 00:48:06,801 --> 00:48:10,054 [Jeremy] Through this transition, staying square across the top, small waist. 932 00:48:13,182 --> 00:48:14,642 -Yeah, buddy. -Excellent. 933 00:48:15,601 --> 00:48:17,978 -[Hany] Blow it out, there you go. -There it is. 934 00:48:18,062 --> 00:48:20,606 -You see how he's bending his knee? -Yeah, it's beautiful. 935 00:48:20,689 --> 00:48:22,358 -You know why we do that? -No. 936 00:48:22,441 --> 00:48:25,569 [Sadik] If you bend that knee slightly, catches judges eye. 937 00:48:25,653 --> 00:48:30,658 You're gonna be competing against 300 national level competitors. 938 00:48:30,741 --> 00:48:32,909 All of them have amazing physiques. 939 00:48:32,993 --> 00:48:36,038 You need to grab their attention even though you're standing on that line. 940 00:48:36,122 --> 00:48:37,957 You can't go on stage and display your physique 941 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,667 the way you need to be displaying it. 942 00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:42,378 You're gonna get lost in the mix, so being able to manipulate angles 943 00:48:42,461 --> 00:48:44,713 and accentuate your strengths, and minimize your weaknesses 944 00:48:44,797 --> 00:48:47,550 is gonna make you a great poser on stage. 945 00:48:47,633 --> 00:48:50,136 Having that charisma on stage to capture the audience, 946 00:48:50,219 --> 00:48:54,140 to capture those judges, is very important because in our sport, 947 00:48:54,223 --> 00:48:58,644 [stammers] it's a pretty boy sport, so we gotta go up there and present that. 948 00:48:58,727 --> 00:49:03,232 The last thing you wanna do is worry about what the guy is doing next to you. 949 00:49:03,315 --> 00:49:06,444 You wanna really make sure you maximize what you have to show. 950 00:49:06,527 --> 00:49:09,113 So when you're up there, have that confidence, have that swag 951 00:49:09,196 --> 00:49:11,574 that you already have, just be natural and be comfortable. 952 00:49:11,657 --> 00:49:14,243 The moment you start rushing things and forcing things on stage, 953 00:49:14,326 --> 00:49:16,495 it's gonna show and it's gonna transpire through your routine, 954 00:49:16,579 --> 00:49:18,747 and it's gonna make you look very uncomfortable up there. 955 00:49:18,831 --> 00:49:23,294 Take your time. You bust your butt 24/7, 365 days a year 956 00:49:23,377 --> 00:49:25,713 to go on that stage for 20, 40 seconds. 957 00:49:25,796 --> 00:49:27,214 Maybe if you're lucky, two minutes, okay? 958 00:49:27,298 --> 00:49:29,258 Everyone has a great physique on that stage. 959 00:49:29,341 --> 00:49:30,384 Everyone deserves to be there, 960 00:49:30,468 --> 00:49:32,636 but if you don't show the judges you want it, 961 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,555 if they can't feel your heart and your dedication 962 00:49:34,638 --> 00:49:36,223 while you're up there, you ain't gonna win. 963 00:49:36,307 --> 00:49:38,851 [Jeremy] Walk out, you hit your routine. At the national level and amateur level, 964 00:49:38,934 --> 00:49:41,270 you get the front and back pose, back to the front, three poses, okay? 965 00:49:41,353 --> 00:49:44,315 -[David] One, two, three. -Nope, switch your foot work. 966 00:49:44,398 --> 00:49:46,775 Come on, what we just did. Practice. Step across, step back. 967 00:49:46,859 --> 00:49:48,277 -One, two, three. -Perfect practice. 968 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,280 [Jeremy] And bam, one, two. Open up, elevate the shoulders. 969 00:49:53,407 --> 00:49:56,869 [Sadik] You're not as wide as you could be. Yeah, now you are. 970 00:49:56,952 --> 00:49:58,037 -Feel that? -Yeah. 971 00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,121 Right there. 972 00:49:59,205 --> 00:50:01,998 -So my rear delt's not popping? -There. 973 00:50:02,082 --> 00:50:03,542 [Hany] Right there. 974 00:50:03,626 --> 00:50:05,920 Right there. Stay right there. 975 00:50:06,002 --> 00:50:08,172 Stay right there. There. 976 00:50:09,965 --> 00:50:11,509 [Hany] Get the shoulders up. 977 00:50:11,592 --> 00:50:13,511 What you do is when your shoulders come down, 978 00:50:13,594 --> 00:50:15,011 you're gonna look straight up and down. 979 00:50:15,095 --> 00:50:17,139 You're gonna lose your V-taper. You gotta keep your shoulders up. 980 00:50:17,223 --> 00:50:19,058 The best man is gonna win. 981 00:50:19,141 --> 00:50:22,895 You wanna display the least amount of weaknesses on that stage. 982 00:50:22,978 --> 00:50:25,481 [Jeremy] Step back across, nail it, boom. 983 00:50:25,564 --> 00:50:27,525 -One, two, three. Right? -[Jeremy] Tight, right there. 984 00:50:27,608 --> 00:50:31,445 [Jeremy] Okay, obliques tight, good smile, okay, stay smiling. 985 00:50:31,529 --> 00:50:34,281 You gotta keep that smile 'cause when you're smilin' on stage, 986 00:50:34,365 --> 00:50:36,700 you have to be able to keep your abs tight so your breathing technique, 987 00:50:36,784 --> 00:50:38,410 when you're on stage, has gotta be specific. 988 00:50:38,494 --> 00:50:41,830 Short breaths, breathing through the chest not through the stomach, okay? 989 00:50:41,914 --> 00:50:44,875 Let me tell you something about catching your breath. 990 00:50:44,959 --> 00:50:47,378 You're looking at the judges. You know when they're focusing on you 991 00:50:47,461 --> 00:50:49,505 and when they're focused on the guy at the center stage. 992 00:50:49,588 --> 00:50:52,258 When I need to catch my breath, I wait for the right moment. 993 00:50:52,341 --> 00:50:54,176 When they're not looking at me, and I go... [exhales] 994 00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:56,095 I hold my breath again, and I contract the abs. 995 00:50:56,178 --> 00:50:59,765 [Jeremy] A guy covers you up on stage, you gotta make sure you step out. 996 00:50:59,848 --> 00:51:01,684 So what's gonna happen is there's gonna be a bunch of guys lined up. 997 00:51:01,767 --> 00:51:03,978 So line up on the side, Matt's gonna do his routine, 998 00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:06,313 line up on the side, he's gonna step right in front of you. 999 00:51:06,397 --> 00:51:07,398 So bam. 1000 00:51:07,481 --> 00:51:09,817 If that's the case, you need to step out this way. 1001 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:11,151 -Keep stepping out. -[Jeremy] Keep stepping out. 1002 00:51:11,235 --> 00:51:13,279 The expeditors on the stage-- Not in front of him. 1003 00:51:13,362 --> 00:51:16,031 This is important though because if you guys get lost on the side, 1004 00:51:16,115 --> 00:51:17,366 you get covered up, they're not gonna see you. 1005 00:51:17,449 --> 00:51:19,159 They're not gonna call you out for the first callouts. 1006 00:51:19,243 --> 00:51:21,453 You can keep bumping out. There's expeditors on the stage. 1007 00:51:21,537 --> 00:51:23,706 I don't care if you get up in the middle of the stage, 1008 00:51:23,789 --> 00:51:25,624 it's not your job to get covered up. 1009 00:51:25,708 --> 00:51:28,544 It's their job to keep you guys in a line, so keep stepping out, 1010 00:51:28,627 --> 00:51:30,337 and they'll pull you guys back in, okay? 1011 00:51:30,421 --> 00:51:34,842 So don't worry about overshadowing somebody 'cause it's about you. 1012 00:51:34,925 --> 00:51:36,677 So, I used to doing NPC, 1013 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,887 I used to switch my pose every six seconds. 1014 00:51:38,971 --> 00:51:40,180 Yeah, keep moving a little bit. 1015 00:51:40,264 --> 00:51:44,184 And it's gonna attract their eye, like, "Why does Kimmerle keep moving? 1016 00:51:44,268 --> 00:51:45,769 Oh, actually, he's got a really good physique. 1017 00:51:45,853 --> 00:51:48,063 Maybe I'm gonna bump him up on the score card." 1018 00:51:48,147 --> 00:51:49,356 So always have their attention. 1019 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,319 One of the most important things going into a men's physique show, 1020 00:51:53,402 --> 00:51:55,279 I always tell them three things, 1021 00:51:55,362 --> 00:52:00,868 small waist, rounded deltoids, and a ridiculous V-taper. 1022 00:52:00,951 --> 00:52:04,288 It's hard to be able to, you know, embrace my off-season, 1023 00:52:04,371 --> 00:52:06,540 you know, especially with everything I've been seeing in the social media, 1024 00:52:06,624 --> 00:52:10,126 and, you know, the hate I've been getting for not being stage-ready all the time. 1025 00:52:10,210 --> 00:52:14,089 Your body needs to rest, and as you know, every time your body gets worn down, 1026 00:52:14,173 --> 00:52:17,133 it doesn't wanna change, it doesn't wanna start getting leaner. 1027 00:52:17,217 --> 00:52:20,220 It hits that plateau, and it does that because your body's adapting. 1028 00:52:20,304 --> 00:52:23,599 It's fighting against trying to come down and get ultra lean. 1029 00:52:23,682 --> 00:52:27,061 So, when your body has that break, you saw what it did, 1030 00:52:27,143 --> 00:52:28,771 we were able to make some huge changes. 1031 00:52:28,854 --> 00:52:32,107 We put seven pounds of pure muscle on you and got you harder and more conditioned 1032 00:52:32,191 --> 00:52:33,400 than you've ever been before. 1033 00:52:33,484 --> 00:52:36,487 But if we just jump right back into a prep, it's gonna be, 1034 00:52:36,570 --> 00:52:38,405 God, three weeks from now, four weeks from now, 1035 00:52:38,489 --> 00:52:39,907 we're gonna have to start getting ready. 1036 00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:43,035 Your body's not gonna be able to bounce back when you're not even done dieting 1037 00:52:43,118 --> 00:52:44,953 for all these photoshoots that we're still doing. 1038 00:52:45,037 --> 00:52:46,497 We're not even done doing that yet. 1039 00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:49,416 So we have to try to strategize, create the blueprint, 1040 00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:51,669 work off of being able to work on the offseason. 1041 00:52:51,752 --> 00:52:53,629 The guys keep getting bigger and bigger, 1042 00:52:53,712 --> 00:52:57,007 bring you in a little bit bigger, bring you in just, you know, just as hard. 1043 00:52:57,091 --> 00:52:59,927 I thought condition was right on point 'cause you don't wanna get too hard, 1044 00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:02,596 but being a little bit fuller on your body, 1045 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,306 getting a little bit more muscular is okay. 1046 00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:07,476 But we can't-- We gotta draw a really thin line 1047 00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:09,728 because at the end of the day, this isn't bodybuilding. 1048 00:53:09,812 --> 00:53:12,439 We don't wanna go the other way. This is one of those sports 1049 00:53:12,523 --> 00:53:14,858 that if you're almost too good, it's gonna hurt you. 1050 00:53:14,942 --> 00:53:16,485 You have to have that right balance. 1051 00:53:16,568 --> 00:53:18,194 Being the champion is new to me so... 1052 00:53:18,278 --> 00:53:20,989 You know, understanding that this is what's gonna come along with it, 1053 00:53:21,073 --> 00:53:23,575 you know, is, um, something I'm learning. 1054 00:53:23,659 --> 00:53:25,911 At the end of the day, you gotta be confident with who you are, 1055 00:53:25,994 --> 00:53:27,871 and you don't have to prove yourself, you already did that. 1056 00:53:27,955 --> 00:53:31,709 I have pictures of Jeremy, you know, getting presented the first place award 1057 00:53:31,792 --> 00:53:35,087 at the Olympia, on my phone, just to remind myself, you know. 1058 00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:37,923 I'm proud of his accomplishment, you know, and that's what I want. 1059 00:53:38,006 --> 00:53:41,343 I think hunger is the most important thing, you know, when, uh... 1060 00:53:41,427 --> 00:53:45,013 The only thing that makes me hungry is, you know, failure. 1061 00:53:45,097 --> 00:53:47,266 And I'm an athlete that's not afraid to fail. 1062 00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:50,436 If I get second or third, you know, that's what I consider failing. 1063 00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:52,187 Although it's a really great thing, 1064 00:53:52,271 --> 00:53:55,065 that's what pushes me and makes me excel to the next level. 1065 00:53:55,149 --> 00:53:57,359 After this year's Olympia, a lot of people were like, 1066 00:53:57,443 --> 00:54:00,404 "Hey, man, how do you feel? Are you upset you got second place?" 1067 00:54:00,487 --> 00:54:02,656 I was like, "No, it was the best thing that could happen." 1068 00:54:02,740 --> 00:54:04,616 In my mind, being perfect is being Mr. Olympia. 1069 00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:07,494 And you know what? I'm number two in the world. 1070 00:54:07,578 --> 00:54:09,288 I didn't win because I wasn't the best. 1071 00:54:09,371 --> 00:54:12,416 So I'm gonna get back to the gym, and I'm gonna train until I'm number one. 1072 00:54:29,099 --> 00:54:30,058 [groans] 1073 00:54:30,142 --> 00:54:34,396 [Dennis] One, two, three. Slow it down. Come on. 1074 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,568 -[groans] -[Dennis] Come on, come on. 1075 00:54:40,944 --> 00:54:42,154 -[grunts] -[Dennis] Slow it down. 1076 00:54:42,237 --> 00:54:45,783 -[groaning] Last one. -Come on! Up! 1077 00:54:46,575 --> 00:54:48,660 -First place. -First place. 1078 00:54:48,744 --> 00:54:51,538 -One! -More, more. Last one. 1079 00:54:51,622 --> 00:54:53,373 [screams] 1080 00:54:53,457 --> 00:54:55,584 [Dennis] Let's go. All the way to the top. Do it slow. 1081 00:54:55,667 --> 00:54:56,752 -Do it slow. -[screams] 1082 00:54:56,835 --> 00:54:58,462 Come on. All you, no help. 1083 00:54:58,545 --> 00:55:01,840 Come on, come on. Get it, get it, get it. Come on. 1084 00:55:01,924 --> 00:55:04,635 -Come on. -Fuck! Fuck! 1085 00:55:04,718 --> 00:55:06,762 -That's how you do it. -Fuck! 1086 00:55:06,929 --> 00:55:09,223 -Whoa. Shit. -[Dennis chuckling] 1087 00:55:09,305 --> 00:55:11,767 -[Dennis] Woo! -Oh, fuck. 1088 00:55:12,226 --> 00:55:13,227 [breathes heavily] 1089 00:55:14,645 --> 00:55:18,565 -[groans] Oh, fuck. -You all right? You all right? 1090 00:55:18,649 --> 00:55:22,318 I'm good, big boy. This is what it takes to be number one, huh? 1091 00:55:22,402 --> 00:55:23,362 [ice splashing] 1092 00:55:23,445 --> 00:55:27,741 [Sadik] This is the torturous stuff I do to move from second to first place. 1093 00:55:37,209 --> 00:55:40,336 All these little details that competitors don't wanna do 1094 00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:44,340 to make the improvements they wanna make, this is one of them. 1095 00:55:45,425 --> 00:55:48,512 Are you willing to suffer? You know how bad do you wanna win? 1096 00:55:48,595 --> 00:55:51,223 Do you wanna jump in a tub full of fucking ice? 1097 00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:54,810 You ask me, I wanna win. And that's what I'm willing to do. 1098 00:55:54,893 --> 00:55:56,728 [exhales] 1099 00:56:08,031 --> 00:56:09,032 [grunts] 1100 00:56:11,618 --> 00:56:15,831 I was diagnosed with diabetes September 1st, 2011. 1101 00:56:15,914 --> 00:56:17,416 I admitted myself to the hospital, 1102 00:56:17,499 --> 00:56:21,128 and they found my blood sugar was a little over 550, 1103 00:56:21,211 --> 00:56:23,714 which the doctors told me was close to comatose level. 1104 00:56:23,797 --> 00:56:26,758 Crazy, crazy symptoms, like unhealable sores, 1105 00:56:26,842 --> 00:56:28,135 you know, um, numb, 1106 00:56:28,218 --> 00:56:31,972 uh, tingling in the hands and feet that leads to amputations, 1107 00:56:32,055 --> 00:56:35,851 um, chemicals in the brain that can cause ketoacidosis 1108 00:56:35,934 --> 00:56:38,937 if the blood sugar gets too high, you literally just go crazy. 1109 00:56:39,021 --> 00:56:42,232 The doctors do tell you, "You can still eat the fruit, 1110 00:56:42,316 --> 00:56:44,776 you can still eat oatmeal, you can still eat all these carbs, 1111 00:56:44,860 --> 00:56:47,613 you just dose your insulin." 1112 00:56:47,696 --> 00:56:49,615 Well, no, you can't eat normal. 1113 00:56:49,698 --> 00:56:52,200 You have to come to a point as a diabetic 1114 00:56:52,284 --> 00:56:55,954 that I have to eat low-carb the rest of my life. 1115 00:56:56,038 --> 00:56:59,249 Keeping up with my blood sugar and keeping up with my food, 1116 00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:03,462 I have to know exactly what I eat every single time I eat. 1117 00:57:03,545 --> 00:57:05,297 It's gotta be precise, 1118 00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:09,801 and the medicine that goes into my body, that when I inject my insulin, 1119 00:57:09,885 --> 00:57:14,097 I have to inject the exact amount of carbohydrates and proteins, 1120 00:57:14,181 --> 00:57:15,766 and fats that I'm gonna eat, 1121 00:57:15,849 --> 00:57:18,268 or my blood sugar will go up or down or fluctuate. 1122 00:57:18,352 --> 00:57:20,896 I don't go into the stomach, like most diabetics, 1123 00:57:20,979 --> 00:57:24,399 because we've got our shirt off as a IFBB Pro, 1124 00:57:24,483 --> 00:57:27,819 and I don't want the scar tissue or the bruising on my stomach, 1125 00:57:27,903 --> 00:57:30,364 so, I put it on location that's hidden. 1126 00:57:30,447 --> 00:57:33,325 It's not easy, and that's where I'm at now. 1127 00:57:33,408 --> 00:57:35,327 My life has changed. 1128 00:57:35,410 --> 00:57:37,955 Going through what I went through my first year 1129 00:57:38,038 --> 00:57:39,957 of being diabetic, it sucked. 1130 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,627 I mean, I was like, you lay there in bed, and you're kinda like, 1131 00:57:43,710 --> 00:57:47,798 "This is what the rest of my life's gonna be like, really?" 1132 00:57:47,881 --> 00:57:51,802 And 'cause your energy level, I mean, you just wanna sleep all day. There's-- 1133 00:57:51,885 --> 00:57:53,887 All the diabetics know what I'm going through, 1134 00:57:53,971 --> 00:57:57,599 and then the sick people, the other people that deal with health issues. 1135 00:57:57,683 --> 00:58:02,187 So, what do you do? Do you cry about it? Do you whine about it? 1136 00:58:02,270 --> 00:58:07,567 Yeah, you let it out, but at what point do you say, enough is enough? 1137 00:58:13,407 --> 00:58:15,701 Nothing I wanna do more, but to make him proud. 1138 00:58:15,784 --> 00:58:18,245 If I have one goal in life, it's to make him proud. 1139 00:58:18,328 --> 00:58:23,083 My dad and I are so much alike, that, you know, there's a close relationship, 1140 00:58:23,166 --> 00:58:26,670 but when we get in arguments, we're both very, very stubborn, 1141 00:58:26,753 --> 00:58:29,673 and we're very, very similar in how we get angry, 1142 00:58:29,756 --> 00:58:31,717 that we won't talk for months at a time. 1143 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,637 I will lay my pride down to make things right with him 1144 00:58:35,721 --> 00:58:39,141 just so we can both be okay again. 'Cause my dad and I are tight like, 1145 00:58:39,224 --> 00:58:41,560 I'm on the phone with him every single day, a couple times a day. 1146 00:58:41,643 --> 00:58:44,604 It kills me. He didn't come to my first Olympia, 1147 00:58:44,688 --> 00:58:47,274 'cause we were arguing, and that's the only show I ever lost. 1148 00:58:47,357 --> 00:58:49,901 I've never lost nothing for my dad. 1149 00:58:49,985 --> 00:58:53,697 Never. Never lost in front of my dad. 1150 00:58:53,780 --> 00:58:56,616 You know, my dad has the highest expectations from me. 1151 00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:58,910 You know, when he looks at me, he sees a star. 1152 00:58:58,994 --> 00:59:00,162 And that's the way it's always been. 1153 00:59:00,245 --> 00:59:03,123 My dad's always told me that you're gonna be somebody. 1154 00:59:04,291 --> 00:59:06,835 I wouldn't change anything. 1155 00:59:07,794 --> 00:59:10,756 You know, [stammers] I'm proud of the person I am. 1156 00:59:10,839 --> 00:59:14,301 I have my flaws and I know that, and I work on them every single day. 1157 00:59:14,384 --> 00:59:17,804 I know exactly what my flaws are, and I'm very aware of 'em. 1158 00:59:17,888 --> 00:59:20,682 Don't fight with somebody that has a different opinion. 1159 00:59:20,766 --> 00:59:23,018 Don't fight with somebody that likes him better than you. 1160 00:59:23,101 --> 00:59:25,979 How you gonna do that? You wanna fight with everybody? 1161 00:59:26,063 --> 00:59:28,231 That's what you wanna do? That's not a champ. 1162 00:59:28,315 --> 00:59:30,525 Champ is keep your cool, keep your cool. 1163 00:59:30,609 --> 00:59:32,527 When something like this happens, keep your cool. 1164 00:59:32,611 --> 00:59:34,821 You're the champ. [stammers] You're not supposed to fight. 1165 00:59:34,905 --> 00:59:37,074 You're supposed to be the champ. Act like a champ. 1166 00:59:37,157 --> 00:59:40,619 You almost got in a fight with my director of marketing of last year 1167 00:59:40,702 --> 00:59:43,955 the day after the Olympia in the gym. You almost got in a fist fight. 1168 00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:47,084 I mean, I got a phone call saying, "You need to drop this guy. 1169 00:59:47,167 --> 00:59:48,960 This guy is no good. He is not-- 1170 00:59:49,044 --> 00:59:51,880 He doesn't have the right attitude, he doesn't have this, he's not fixable." 1171 00:59:51,963 --> 00:59:54,216 And I just said I'm gonna do whatever I can 1172 00:59:54,299 --> 00:59:56,259 to make sure that we can turn him around. 1173 00:59:56,343 --> 00:59:59,096 And I knew that we could try to focus, you know, 1174 00:59:59,179 --> 01:00:02,724 all that anger into training and being able to focus on, you know, 1175 01:00:02,808 --> 01:00:06,061 that end goal, which is try to, you know, win the biggest show in the world. 1176 01:00:06,144 --> 01:00:08,980 I've really seen a huge change just since last year. 1177 01:00:09,064 --> 01:00:10,732 I demand respect. 1178 01:00:10,816 --> 01:00:12,651 I don't want-- I don't deserve to be disrespected. 1179 01:00:12,734 --> 01:00:15,862 I'm a good person. I work my butt off and I do what I'm supposed to be doing. 1180 01:00:15,946 --> 01:00:17,030 You know, nobody-- 1181 01:00:17,114 --> 01:00:22,077 I don't feel anybody has the right to disrespect me or belittle me. 1182 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,622 And I feel that's why I get so upset when people do say stuff to me. 1183 01:00:25,705 --> 01:00:27,624 Everyone has their own definition of winning. 1184 01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:30,460 You know, to me, I mean, I see success in every failure 1185 01:00:30,544 --> 01:00:34,631 because every time I lose, I get better. You know, so what is winning? 1186 01:00:34,714 --> 01:00:38,593 Getting gold medal when you weren't the best guy on stage? 1187 01:00:38,677 --> 01:00:39,970 What about if that does happen 1188 01:00:40,053 --> 01:00:41,930 and you know that you're not the best guy on stage, 1189 01:00:42,013 --> 01:00:43,682 and then what? You're not the winner. 1190 01:00:43,765 --> 01:00:46,977 You know, so you can't sleep at night. That gold medal doesn't mean anything. 1191 01:00:47,060 --> 01:00:49,146 So when you know that you were the best guy, 1192 01:00:49,229 --> 01:00:50,856 regardless of the placing that-- 1193 01:00:50,939 --> 01:00:53,191 Where you placed, that's winning. 1194 01:00:53,275 --> 01:00:54,985 [exhales] 1195 01:00:55,068 --> 01:00:57,779 They can work their hardest all they want to. It's not good enough. 1196 01:00:57,863 --> 01:01:00,866 [breathes heavily] 1197 01:01:00,949 --> 01:01:02,409 I'm meant to be the best. 1198 01:01:05,412 --> 01:01:08,290 Nobody will ever take that away from me. 1199 01:01:08,373 --> 01:01:09,958 [exhales] 1200 01:01:10,041 --> 01:01:12,127 Yep. Come on. 1201 01:01:23,388 --> 01:01:24,723 Come on! 1202 01:01:24,806 --> 01:01:27,350 [grunts] 1203 01:01:36,818 --> 01:01:37,986 Come on! 1204 01:01:44,576 --> 01:01:47,662 How important is supplements, nutrition supplements? 1205 01:01:47,746 --> 01:01:50,790 And, what, if you do, what do you use? 1206 01:01:50,874 --> 01:01:55,086 You know, I'm taking, uh, the multivitamin from MET-Rx. 1207 01:01:55,170 --> 01:02:00,091 [Jason] I'm taking the carnitine, CLA, um... 1208 01:02:00,175 --> 01:02:03,428 The whey protein powder, probably once a day. 1209 01:02:03,511 --> 01:02:04,804 You guys travel all the time, 1210 01:02:04,888 --> 01:02:07,015 -so you can't have a kitchen with you. -Mm-hm. 1211 01:02:07,098 --> 01:02:09,726 When I'm traveling, I like to make sure that I bring enough protein, 1212 01:02:09,809 --> 01:02:13,688 so I can snack down three shakes a day while I'm there 1213 01:02:13,772 --> 01:02:18,276 because I don't know how readily available good quality food is. 1214 01:02:22,989 --> 01:02:27,786 I do, uh, two protein shakes a day. I do one first thing in the morning, um, 1215 01:02:27,869 --> 01:02:30,538 and instead of adding water, I add egg whites. 1216 01:02:30,622 --> 01:02:35,210 It's a hydrolyzed isolate whey, and then I do one post-workout. 1217 01:02:35,293 --> 01:02:39,005 Um, I do a pre-workout as well just because I like the energy, 1218 01:02:39,089 --> 01:02:41,091 the focus, the endurance of it. 1219 01:02:41,174 --> 01:02:44,511 Um, and then I do a fat burner and a multivitamin. 1220 01:02:44,594 --> 01:02:47,973 And that's, keep it pretty simple but the basics. It works pretty well. 1221 01:02:48,056 --> 01:02:51,268 And it's the off-season, like Jeremy and Sadik, 1222 01:02:51,351 --> 01:02:53,019 what do you guys rely on right now? 1223 01:02:53,103 --> 01:02:56,231 Um, definitely a fast-acting carbohydrate drink. 1224 01:02:56,314 --> 01:03:00,068 -Carbohydrates. -Which I'll either drink pre-workout, 1225 01:03:00,151 --> 01:03:01,861 I might drink it intra-workout, 1226 01:03:01,945 --> 01:03:03,571 -or post-workout. -[Dennis] Mm-hm. 1227 01:03:03,655 --> 01:03:06,449 So you don't use it intra and post, so you choose either one? 1228 01:03:06,533 --> 01:03:09,244 I will choose depending on how many carbohydrate meals I had 1229 01:03:09,327 --> 01:03:10,620 leading up to that day, 1230 01:03:10,704 --> 01:03:14,040 but most of the time, I find myself drinking it during my workout. 1231 01:03:14,124 --> 01:03:19,087 I'll mix in some BCAAs to help keep me anabolic during my workout, 1232 01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:23,133 um, as well as, I will take a protein shake, of course. 1233 01:03:23,216 --> 01:03:26,886 I'm sure all of us use protein shakes, um, in addition to a pre-workout. 1234 01:03:26,970 --> 01:03:29,389 You know, I don't get to the gym 'til 8:00 p.m., 1235 01:03:29,472 --> 01:03:32,726 so I need that, you know, boost from the pre-workout to get me fired up. 1236 01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:38,023 You know, let's talk a little bit about the differences between protein. 1237 01:03:38,106 --> 01:03:40,734 Like, um, do you take in casein? 1238 01:03:40,817 --> 01:03:43,236 [Sadik] On the off-season, I'll absolutely take in casein. 1239 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,364 This way, you know, I have a steady release of protein while I'm sleeping. 1240 01:03:47,532 --> 01:03:49,409 How about Hydro-Iso? 1241 01:03:49,492 --> 01:03:51,536 Hydrolyze, not in the off-season because it's... 1242 01:03:51,619 --> 01:03:53,079 -It's very expensive. -[TJ] Mm-hm. 1243 01:03:53,163 --> 01:03:55,165 But I'll take an isolate, uh, off-season. 1244 01:03:55,248 --> 01:03:57,834 And I'll switch to a hydrolyzed when I'm closer to a show. 1245 01:03:57,917 --> 01:04:00,128 And how do those react differently for you? 1246 01:04:00,211 --> 01:04:03,631 Um, well, under the Olympia stage lights, you know, 1247 01:04:03,715 --> 01:04:05,508 if they react you can see the difference, 1248 01:04:05,592 --> 01:04:07,260 you know, between the hydrolate and the isolate. 1249 01:04:07,344 --> 01:04:09,554 Isolate, you know, has a little bit of dairy in it, 1250 01:04:09,637 --> 01:04:10,805 whereas the hydrolyzed doesn't. 1251 01:04:10,889 --> 01:04:12,265 -It doesn't convert to dairy. -[TJ] Mm-hm. 1252 01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:14,351 So, it's a big difference, you know, 1253 01:04:14,434 --> 01:04:15,769 when you're sitting in front of the judges, 1254 01:04:15,852 --> 01:04:19,356 but for the average person trying to look good, there's no difference. 1255 01:04:19,439 --> 01:04:23,401 Creatine, BCAAs, uh, I like to use a carnitine, 1256 01:04:23,485 --> 01:04:27,989 uh, before my workouts to help convert the fat into energy. 1257 01:04:28,073 --> 01:04:31,284 Um, I use a fast-acting carbohydrate, and, uh, 1258 01:04:31,368 --> 01:04:34,662 that concern-- that is determined on what body part 1259 01:04:34,746 --> 01:04:36,998 I'm training, and how much I use of that. 1260 01:04:37,082 --> 01:04:41,044 On a lagging body part, I'm gonna use more of that 1261 01:04:41,127 --> 01:04:44,839 to just make sure I'm getting the optimal out of my body on that specific day, 1262 01:04:44,923 --> 01:04:48,176 so my body is in a surplus, so my specific muscle group 1263 01:04:48,259 --> 01:04:49,886 will have more than enough to grow. 1264 01:04:49,969 --> 01:04:51,054 To maximize hypertrophy, 1265 01:04:51,137 --> 01:04:53,181 you have to consistently give the body nutrients 1266 01:04:53,264 --> 01:04:54,766 -and shuttle those nutrients through. -Exactly. 1267 01:04:54,849 --> 01:04:57,769 I've found as I've gotten older, you know, recovery is critical, 1268 01:04:57,852 --> 01:05:00,647 so a lot of glutamine I use post-workout with my protein. 1269 01:05:00,730 --> 01:05:04,776 I do use a pre-workout 'cause I wanna-- I need that kick in the ass, you know. 1270 01:05:04,859 --> 01:05:08,488 Um, but I've noticed an absolute correlation between, 1271 01:05:08,571 --> 01:05:11,491 you know, um, specific protocol post-workout 1272 01:05:11,574 --> 01:05:12,826 that's gonna optimize recovery 1273 01:05:12,909 --> 01:05:15,412 because I'm jacking up the intensity to my workout. 1274 01:05:15,495 --> 01:05:18,540 So I'm coming in full steam, you know, I'm gonna hit that workout hard, 1275 01:05:18,623 --> 01:05:23,086 but I also need to make sure that just as much prep is on the back end 1276 01:05:23,169 --> 01:05:24,546 to, uh, help the recovery process. 1277 01:05:24,629 --> 01:05:26,423 -ZMA, minerals... -[Dennis] Yeah. 1278 01:05:26,506 --> 01:05:28,967 Um, anything I can do, um, as an older guy. 1279 01:05:29,050 --> 01:05:32,262 I'm 40, so, um, ZMA is gonna give me that zinc that I need. 1280 01:05:32,345 --> 01:05:35,807 Magnesium, that's gonna help me rest and get that, uh, that growth. 1281 01:05:35,890 --> 01:05:38,393 There's so many great supplements. 1282 01:05:38,476 --> 01:05:40,353 Um, but I think what overrides it, obviously, 1283 01:05:40,437 --> 01:05:41,896 I think intensity is the number one. 1284 01:05:41,980 --> 01:05:43,398 You're in the gym for an hour. 1285 01:05:43,481 --> 01:05:46,568 These supplements really give you 150 percent return of your hour, 1286 01:05:46,651 --> 01:05:49,946 as opposed to other things, because it immediately goes to the body, 1287 01:05:50,029 --> 01:05:51,698 because it's not really what you're taking, 1288 01:05:51,781 --> 01:05:54,367 it's the time in which you take, and what your body absorbs. 1289 01:05:54,451 --> 01:05:58,121 So we don't really grow in the gym, we all know. We get weaker, actually. 1290 01:05:58,204 --> 01:06:01,666 Well, we create a demand for our body to grow outside with rest and nutrition. 1291 01:06:01,749 --> 01:06:05,712 So we can do a hard workout that sponge our muscles, now rung out, 1292 01:06:05,795 --> 01:06:07,005 it's ready to be absorbed, anything. 1293 01:06:07,088 --> 01:06:10,550 We can pour on these supplements, which is like a concrete, uh, 1294 01:06:10,633 --> 01:06:13,803 more pure form that our muscle-- The perfect food for it. 1295 01:06:13,887 --> 01:06:15,388 There's certain supplements you take at night, 1296 01:06:15,472 --> 01:06:18,099 you know, that slow-released, you know, uh, protein with casein, 1297 01:06:18,183 --> 01:06:20,602 you know, but right after the gym, you don't wanna take that. 1298 01:06:20,685 --> 01:06:23,563 And just like carbs, and, uh-- There's good carbs and bad carbs. 1299 01:06:23,646 --> 01:06:25,607 What overrides a good carb or a bad carb 1300 01:06:25,690 --> 01:06:27,901 is a good opportunity or a bad opportunity to take it 1301 01:06:27,984 --> 01:06:30,612 because you don't wanna take a good carb right before the gym. 1302 01:06:30,695 --> 01:06:32,906 No, you want to take a bad carb, something with sugar, 1303 01:06:32,989 --> 01:06:36,242 so at that time, a good carb is bad because of the timing. 1304 01:06:36,326 --> 01:06:38,870 So mine... My six are like, so... 1305 01:06:38,953 --> 01:06:44,709 Protein, um, BCAAs, L-glutamine, uh, creatine, HMB. I like 'em both. 1306 01:06:44,792 --> 01:06:46,628 Um, you need your multivitamin like you said. 1307 01:06:46,711 --> 01:06:49,547 You need fish oil, pre-workout to go, 1308 01:06:49,631 --> 01:06:53,176 but number one... number one is intensity and pussy, man. 1309 01:06:53,259 --> 01:06:55,553 -[all laughing] -You gotta get that pussy. 1310 01:06:55,637 --> 01:06:59,015 -Nothing drives you. -The ultimate anabolic supplement. 1311 01:06:59,098 --> 01:07:01,059 Nothing drives you better, nothing drives you better. 1312 01:07:01,142 --> 01:07:02,852 [laughter] 1313 01:07:35,635 --> 01:07:36,636 [exhales] 1314 01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:38,930 -Good run, man. That was a good run. -Yeah. 1315 01:07:39,013 --> 01:07:41,182 Yeah, it couldn't be a better night for it, man. 1316 01:07:41,266 --> 01:07:44,477 -Yeah, it's beautiful here. -Yeah, it's therapy, in a way. 1317 01:07:44,561 --> 01:07:45,770 I think most people think the gym 1318 01:07:45,853 --> 01:07:47,480 is all about putting on size and everything else, 1319 01:07:47,564 --> 01:07:49,065 -and building this external body. -Mm-hm. 1320 01:07:49,148 --> 01:07:50,024 And as you know, 1321 01:07:50,108 --> 01:07:51,901 especially in the war-time environment in the military, 1322 01:07:51,985 --> 01:07:55,029 the mind's your strongest weapon, I mean, how many days have you gone through hell, 1323 01:07:55,113 --> 01:07:57,949 and the body just doesn't work anymore. What keeps you going is the mindset. 1324 01:07:58,032 --> 01:08:00,618 -Right. -That's always the limiting factor, so... 1325 01:08:00,702 --> 01:08:02,412 -You build that in the gym. -Mm-hm. 1326 01:08:02,495 --> 01:08:04,956 -And you build this way of life. -Fitness is my lifestyle. 1327 01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:06,749 -Sure, sure. -I love every aspect of it. 1328 01:08:06,833 --> 01:08:08,126 So I just chase my dreams. 1329 01:08:08,209 --> 01:08:11,713 That's a big thing with fitness models and this career. What is your goal? 1330 01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:13,881 What gets you up in the morning to go that distance? 1331 01:08:13,965 --> 01:08:16,843 It can't be about the vanity of mirrors. It's gotta be something deeper than that. 1332 01:08:16,926 --> 01:08:19,762 But also, there is a whole another army 1333 01:08:19,846 --> 01:08:22,682 -of lost souls in the civilian sector... -Mm-hm. 1334 01:08:22,765 --> 01:08:25,602 That really think this gym is just hard work and it's sacrifice. 1335 01:08:25,685 --> 01:08:27,645 They don't understand the return of investment you get. 1336 01:08:27,729 --> 01:08:30,481 [TJ] You have the right fire to go the distance. 1337 01:08:30,565 --> 01:08:33,443 You have the ability, physically, to achieve all this stuff. 1338 01:08:33,526 --> 01:08:35,695 It's about do you have the mentality to endure it? 1339 01:08:59,719 --> 01:09:02,930 I mean, have you guys ever felt like [stammers] this career, you know, 1340 01:09:03,014 --> 01:09:04,223 it ball and chains on you? 1341 01:09:04,307 --> 01:09:06,184 -Like you can't live a life? -Oh, yeah. 1342 01:09:06,267 --> 01:09:10,480 As a competitor, a certain extent, it's different because... I know that-- 1343 01:09:10,563 --> 01:09:12,940 I don't know one competitor who doesn't eat out of Tupperware. 1344 01:09:13,024 --> 01:09:15,610 I don't know one competitor that doesn't have everything 1345 01:09:15,693 --> 01:09:17,070 structured and systematic. 1346 01:09:17,153 --> 01:09:20,198 You know, I don't carry gallons of water with me to the gym 1347 01:09:20,281 --> 01:09:21,783 'cause we might have a shortage. 1348 01:09:21,866 --> 01:09:23,826 And I'm not Tupperwaring all my meals and stuff. 1349 01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:25,870 But there's certain things that you're obligated to do 1350 01:09:25,953 --> 01:09:27,497 when we're getting ready for a competition. 1351 01:09:27,580 --> 01:09:30,333 Like every morning getting up and doing our fasted cardio 1352 01:09:30,416 --> 01:09:32,418 and hitting our workouts, and staying on schedule 1353 01:09:32,502 --> 01:09:34,170 for each body part we're supposed to train. 1354 01:09:34,253 --> 01:09:36,756 -Let me throw in another question. -Our food in our diet 1355 01:09:36,839 --> 01:09:39,467 being in accordance to what we're doing, 1356 01:09:39,550 --> 01:09:41,552 because in that specific time, everything has a plan. 1357 01:09:41,636 --> 01:09:44,806 Right. Do you see that as, um, a sacrifice? 1358 01:09:44,889 --> 01:09:47,934 Do you see it as like, "Oh, man. I wish I could go out with the guys?" 1359 01:09:48,017 --> 01:09:49,519 -I wish I could do that. -Yeah. Of course. 1360 01:09:49,602 --> 01:09:52,438 You know, I wish, I'd rather eat a burger than eat tilapia and asparagus. 1361 01:09:52,522 --> 01:09:53,523 -Yeah. -I don't see that. 1362 01:09:53,606 --> 01:09:54,982 Here's my biggest fucking issue with that. 1363 01:09:55,066 --> 01:09:57,402 Because a burger's a temporary satisfaction. 1364 01:09:57,485 --> 01:09:59,654 Going out with the boys is temporary relievement, you know. 1365 01:09:59,737 --> 01:10:01,364 You won't remember any of those parties, 1366 01:10:01,447 --> 01:10:04,033 but you'll frame that picture on your mantle. 1367 01:10:04,117 --> 01:10:06,577 That means more to me in the balance of life, 1368 01:10:06,661 --> 01:10:11,082 the achievement, your title, than any of the sacrifices of-- 1369 01:10:11,165 --> 01:10:14,043 I can't eat a burger, I can't-- Fuck the burger, man. 1370 01:10:14,127 --> 01:10:15,795 You know, you're trying to live a legacy. 1371 01:10:15,878 --> 01:10:17,630 Anyone can eat a burger, but not everyone can win. 1372 01:10:20,717 --> 01:10:23,302 [birds chirping] 1373 01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:32,145 [TJ] That was rip. Let me have some of that. 1374 01:10:32,228 --> 01:10:33,187 Look at these. 1375 01:10:33,271 --> 01:10:35,273 I always cook mine in a huge bowl. 1376 01:10:36,065 --> 01:10:39,402 I've got peanut butter, pumpkin, and salted caramel banana bread. 1377 01:10:39,485 --> 01:10:41,362 Pre-contest, I had nothing in my house, right? 1378 01:10:41,446 --> 01:10:44,407 Nothing in my house, I'd-- Everything gone. 1379 01:10:44,490 --> 01:10:47,076 And I had a freak-out session, a straight freak-out session. 1380 01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:48,161 I was broke, you know, whatever, 1381 01:10:48,244 --> 01:10:49,787 -so I couldn't even go buy food. -[Sabik] Right. 1382 01:10:49,871 --> 01:10:52,999 And I'm opening every cabinet. I'm up on my knees, and my knees hurt. 1383 01:10:53,082 --> 01:10:55,668 Like I'm looking for anything, and I find a can of beans. 1384 01:10:55,752 --> 01:10:58,796 As soon as-- I didn't even grab a spoon. As soon as I got that thing open, 1385 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,007 -it just made it in my mouth, -Yeah. 1386 01:11:01,090 --> 01:11:02,925 I'm sitting there in the kitchen, just traumatized. 1387 01:11:03,009 --> 01:11:05,219 I go out to the balcony, and I just started crying. 1388 01:11:05,303 --> 01:11:07,847 [mimics wailing] "My God, what have I done?" 1389 01:11:07,930 --> 01:11:10,141 And then I thought, "How stupid is this, Dave? 1390 01:11:10,224 --> 01:11:12,185 You deserve a can of beans. You're all right." 1391 01:11:12,268 --> 01:11:14,103 -[all ] -And then I'm having this... 1392 01:11:14,187 --> 01:11:15,980 And I'm having this conversation with myself. 1393 01:11:16,063 --> 01:11:17,607 I sit down out here, we're gonna be objective, 1394 01:11:17,690 --> 01:11:23,196 and I wrote a poem about how sad it is, that at my size and age and time of life, 1395 01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:25,907 that eating a can of beans is an emotional experience. 1396 01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:29,285 -It's an absolute train wreck for me. -Dude, that's hilarious. 1397 01:11:29,368 --> 01:11:31,788 I can't do it, show's done. I ate a can of beans. 1398 01:11:31,871 --> 01:11:34,040 -Oh, my God! I was like-- -I ate a can of beans. 1399 01:11:34,123 --> 01:11:36,751 You'd be more filled out. It was like two weeks out. 1400 01:11:36,834 --> 01:11:38,836 You're just looking at your skin, and you're holding water 1401 01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,087 'cause you're swollen, and I'm just like, 1402 01:11:40,171 --> 01:11:43,174 "Man, this can of beans is just gonna go right here. 1403 01:11:44,008 --> 01:11:45,760 You know how it is. You're so emotional. 1404 01:11:46,761 --> 01:11:50,097 [grunts] 1405 01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,740 [grunting] 1406 01:12:30,012 --> 01:12:32,807 [grunts] 1407 01:12:36,769 --> 01:12:38,479 [exhales] 1408 01:12:38,563 --> 01:12:41,148 I go in to see the Vice President of Chippendales, and he says, 1409 01:12:41,232 --> 01:12:43,442 "Yeah, sure, we'd love to use you for the calendar." 1410 01:12:43,526 --> 01:12:45,152 I said, "Okay, I want the cover." 1411 01:12:46,028 --> 01:12:50,157 [TJ] And he said, "Um, okay. But we want you to go on tour." 1412 01:12:50,241 --> 01:12:51,742 It was huge in Europe. 1413 01:12:51,826 --> 01:12:53,870 I decided I was gonna do two, three month tours 1414 01:12:53,953 --> 01:12:57,665 because each tour went to different parts of Europe. 1415 01:12:57,748 --> 01:13:01,627 So, there I was in my first show in Paris, 1416 01:13:01,711 --> 01:13:07,258 you know, in front of 8,500 women, scared out of my mind. 1417 01:13:07,341 --> 01:13:10,428 So we do the show, I forget, seriously, all my wardrobe changes, 1418 01:13:10,511 --> 01:13:14,307 I'm coming out in the wrong costumes, I'm doing the wrong choreography, 1419 01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:16,934 but all I could think to myself was nobody knows anything. 1420 01:13:17,018 --> 01:13:20,187 Just smile. They're not gonna know anything. Own it. 1421 01:13:20,271 --> 01:13:22,773 You know, the opening of every show, I get lowered from this cable, 1422 01:13:22,857 --> 01:13:26,110 so I'm originally above the proscenium, then I get lowered very slowly, 1423 01:13:26,193 --> 01:13:28,029 like almost like a fallen angel. 1424 01:13:28,112 --> 01:13:31,365 I have one foot in the stirrup, one hand in the safety strap, 1425 01:13:31,449 --> 01:13:34,160 and when the curtains opened for the opening of the show, 1426 01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:37,288 they wrapped around me, spun me out, knocked my foot out of the harness, 1427 01:13:37,371 --> 01:13:40,166 and then I watched the safety strap just unravel. 1428 01:13:40,249 --> 01:13:41,250 [mimics thudding] 1429 01:13:41,334 --> 01:13:44,128 And I just went reaching for it, and it went through my fingers, 1430 01:13:44,211 --> 01:13:46,380 and I just thought, this is gonna hurt. 1431 01:13:46,464 --> 01:13:49,050 Then I thought to myself, "Okay, don't hit your head, don't hit your head." 1432 01:13:49,133 --> 01:13:53,471 Landed on the stage first, then, wham! I fall back, but I didn't hit my head. 1433 01:13:53,554 --> 01:13:57,475 I held it up, tore every muscle in the front of my body, but I held it up. 1434 01:13:57,558 --> 01:14:01,145 Then I relax and I heard... the whole audience gasped at once. 1435 01:14:01,228 --> 01:14:02,063 [gasps] 1436 01:14:02,146 --> 01:14:03,856 Then all of a sudden, I'm saying to myself, 1437 01:14:03,940 --> 01:14:06,609 "Just don't go out, don't go out, don't go out. Don't go unconscious." 1438 01:14:06,692 --> 01:14:09,737 One of my best buds is standing over me, slapping me in the face going, 1439 01:14:09,820 --> 01:14:12,657 "Don't leave us, bro, don't leave us, right?" 1440 01:14:12,740 --> 01:14:14,992 And my first reaction was, "I'm not hurt." 1441 01:14:16,452 --> 01:14:18,412 Pick me up. I've taken harder hits in football. 1442 01:14:18,496 --> 01:14:20,456 I got a show to do. Let's do this. 1443 01:14:21,374 --> 01:14:24,877 They're like, "What?" And it was about a good 35, 40 foot drop. 1444 01:14:24,961 --> 01:14:28,589 I didn't know I had internal bleeding and a fractured hip and all that stuff, 1445 01:14:28,673 --> 01:14:30,883 but I go to take one step, nearly fainted, 1446 01:14:30,967 --> 01:14:33,761 they sat me down, flash forward, I'm in the hospital and I'm realizing, 1447 01:14:33,844 --> 01:14:35,805 you almost just died, you almost just died. 1448 01:14:35,888 --> 01:14:38,265 You're in a foreign country, you're sitting in a hospital room, 1449 01:14:38,349 --> 01:14:41,560 in a backless robe, you have internal bleeding, you fractured your hip. 1450 01:14:41,644 --> 01:14:44,730 It was from that point forward that I decided, 1451 01:14:44,814 --> 01:14:48,275 you know, what kind of man I wanted to be. 1452 01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:50,778 And so I made a checklist of every single quality 1453 01:14:50,861 --> 01:14:53,197 I wanted to possess as a man. 1454 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,574 If I were to die, how would I wanna be remembered? 1455 01:14:55,658 --> 01:14:57,910 Me and a couple of friends were actually headed down to Phoenix, 1456 01:14:57,994 --> 01:15:00,913 and we were in my buddies '79 Chevy, 1457 01:15:00,997 --> 01:15:03,874 big ol' pickup truck, big V8, no seat belts. 1458 01:15:03,958 --> 01:15:07,044 And what we did was, we put our bags in the back of the truck. 1459 01:15:07,128 --> 01:15:08,546 But since there was no tailgate, 1460 01:15:08,629 --> 01:15:11,048 we all kept looking behind us the whole time, 1461 01:15:11,132 --> 01:15:14,135 looking behind us, looking behind us, and they didn't even move, you know. 1462 01:15:14,218 --> 01:15:16,595 But I remember we came around this very sharp corner, 1463 01:15:16,679 --> 01:15:18,389 and right before we came around the corner, 1464 01:15:18,472 --> 01:15:20,558 we all looked back at the same time. 1465 01:15:20,641 --> 01:15:24,145 And when we looked forward, we were on the guard rail. 1466 01:15:24,228 --> 01:15:26,814 And my friend, I mean, I still remember him to this day, 1467 01:15:26,897 --> 01:15:29,066 just over-correcting like... Whoa! 1468 01:15:29,150 --> 01:15:32,361 We were doing 75, it was our estimated speed. 1469 01:15:32,445 --> 01:15:34,572 And we hit a three-foot boulder, 'cause it launched us, 1470 01:15:34,655 --> 01:15:37,575 and we've rolled the truck up to the top of the mountain. 1471 01:15:37,658 --> 01:15:39,994 And I actually couldn't get out of the truck. 1472 01:15:40,077 --> 01:15:42,538 On the whole top of my head was just wide open. 1473 01:15:42,621 --> 01:15:45,249 And I had this, you know, when my face hit the windshield, 1474 01:15:45,332 --> 01:15:46,792 it went through right here. 1475 01:15:46,876 --> 01:15:48,836 So all this blood in my eyes, I couldn't see. 1476 01:15:48,919 --> 01:15:52,214 All these people had to carry me down, and then they put me in the helicopter. 1477 01:15:52,298 --> 01:15:55,134 I do remember them telling me this, "We have six hours from the time 1478 01:15:55,217 --> 01:15:58,012 of the accident to get you in or you're gonna lose your hip." 1479 01:15:58,095 --> 01:16:00,473 [exhales] 1480 01:16:00,556 --> 01:16:03,142 [Matt] Once I was finally able to get out of bed, 1481 01:16:03,225 --> 01:16:05,519 I just remember looking at myself in the mirror. 1482 01:16:05,603 --> 01:16:08,731 I noticed for the first time all the... 1483 01:16:09,732 --> 01:16:11,859 physical changes I had made my body make. 1484 01:16:11,942 --> 01:16:14,528 I was like, "Man, actually, look what I've done to my body 1485 01:16:14,612 --> 01:16:16,363 in just two years, this is amazing." 1486 01:16:16,447 --> 01:16:22,161 I remember wheeling myself into the gym for the first time since the accident. 1487 01:16:22,244 --> 01:16:24,455 And my dad, I could just tell he was so nervous. 1488 01:16:24,538 --> 01:16:26,457 He didn't wanna let go of that wheelchair. 1489 01:16:26,540 --> 01:16:32,338 And I got out of balance pretty fast when you can only hit upper body. 1490 01:16:32,421 --> 01:16:36,092 It's pretty fast how everything just atrophies and... 1491 01:16:36,175 --> 01:16:39,762 It was very hard not to be mad. I was very mad for a little while. 1492 01:16:39,845 --> 01:16:42,598 Why me? Why this? Now I can't do legs, you know. 1493 01:16:42,681 --> 01:16:46,769 It actually took me nine years before I would step on stage 1494 01:16:46,852 --> 01:16:48,938 because I wanted my legs to match my upper body. 1495 01:16:49,021 --> 01:16:51,065 -[screams] -[Dennis] Now rep it out, five reps. 1496 01:16:51,148 --> 01:16:54,193 I was walking home. I got a message on my phone. 1497 01:16:54,276 --> 01:16:58,030 It was my ex-wife, and she said that she's taking my kids 1498 01:16:58,114 --> 01:17:01,534 to another state, and my heart dropped. 1499 01:17:01,617 --> 01:17:06,080 I mean, that moment I was like, I'm losing my sons. 1500 01:17:06,163 --> 01:17:08,624 So, uh-- Sorry. 1501 01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:12,962 [sighs] 1502 01:17:14,213 --> 01:17:16,799 So at that point... 1503 01:17:16,882 --> 01:17:18,217 I just looked up. 1504 01:17:21,178 --> 01:17:23,889 I said, "Just give me a way." 1505 01:17:23,973 --> 01:17:27,560 'Cause I was working 60 hours a week in a job that I hated. 1506 01:17:29,645 --> 01:17:34,859 And the only real thing that I did all that for, was for my family. [scoffs] 1507 01:17:37,695 --> 01:17:38,696 [sighs] 1508 01:17:42,658 --> 01:17:43,659 I said... 1509 01:17:45,494 --> 01:17:49,331 There's so much in this world that happens to us, 1510 01:17:49,415 --> 01:17:50,958 that's beyond our control. 1511 01:17:52,168 --> 01:17:54,295 And I reached out and I said... 1512 01:17:56,630 --> 01:18:00,593 "Whatever that is, I need you to help me." 1513 01:18:02,178 --> 01:18:03,304 And I prayed. 1514 01:18:04,096 --> 01:18:05,598 [sighs] 1515 01:18:05,681 --> 01:18:07,183 And I just asked for an opportunity. 1516 01:18:07,266 --> 01:18:11,312 I said, man, you know, I'm gonna take a leap of faith, 1517 01:18:11,395 --> 01:18:16,609 and, uh, I'm gonna go to New York 'cause I wanna be close to my sons. 1518 01:18:17,610 --> 01:18:24,617 And, uh, I remember a week later, I got a phone call from an agent. 1519 01:18:25,659 --> 01:18:29,622 It's the same agent that, uh, Greg worked with. 1520 01:18:29,705 --> 01:18:34,251 He called me and said, "Hey. Um, I saw your, uh... 1521 01:18:34,919 --> 01:18:39,715 I saw some photos of you, and, uh-- 'Cause I had done a-- [chuckles] 1522 01:18:39,798 --> 01:18:42,509 The best way to help your self-esteem after a break up 1523 01:18:42,593 --> 01:18:46,847 is to join like a personal site. That was-- Back then, that was like, 1524 01:18:46,931 --> 01:18:49,391 you know, instant redemption, you know, like I'm gonna show her. 1525 01:18:49,475 --> 01:18:54,063 They used it. Their personal's ad, they used one of my photos to advertise. 1526 01:18:54,146 --> 01:18:58,359 And somebody had said, "Hey, man, this guy's got a good look." 1527 01:18:58,442 --> 01:19:00,945 Random, completely random. 1528 01:19:01,028 --> 01:19:04,240 "And just come to New York, just meet with me for a few hours, 1529 01:19:04,323 --> 01:19:06,200 and, uh, we'll discuss your future." 1530 01:19:06,283 --> 01:19:10,913 I didn't even know where she had lived, and where the kids had lived. 1531 01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:15,334 She lived three miles away from him, and so that was all I needed. 1532 01:19:15,417 --> 01:19:19,213 I got rid of all my stuff, and I got everything in my car, 1533 01:19:19,296 --> 01:19:23,550 and I moved up there. And I lived there in a house with eight guys. [chuckles] 1534 01:19:23,634 --> 01:19:28,222 You know, two to a room, you know, and hustled. 1535 01:19:28,305 --> 01:19:32,142 And, uh, saw my kids, like I would surprise 'em and go see 'em at school, 1536 01:19:32,226 --> 01:19:33,644 and they would be like, "Daddy!" 1537 01:19:33,727 --> 01:19:36,981 You know, and I would walk 'em home because those are moments. 1538 01:19:37,898 --> 01:19:40,734 [Jeremy] He always instilled in me, like, you have to be the best. 1539 01:19:40,818 --> 01:19:42,861 There wasn't second, there is no second place. 1540 01:19:42,945 --> 01:19:46,532 Nothing less than your absolute best is acceptable. 1541 01:19:46,615 --> 01:19:50,286 And, you know, that's something that's stuck with me, and... 1542 01:19:54,415 --> 01:19:57,293 You know, um, he's hard on us, really hard. 1543 01:19:57,376 --> 01:20:01,547 Really, really hard on us. Me and my brother. And, um... 1544 01:20:08,887 --> 01:20:11,390 Being able to... 1545 01:20:11,473 --> 01:20:14,685 handle that [stammers] and, um... 1546 01:20:16,103 --> 01:20:17,813 That's what I'm looking for. 1547 01:20:17,896 --> 01:20:20,899 Being able to handle that, and to channel that energy... 1548 01:20:22,026 --> 01:20:25,696 into something positive and not being able to let that come down on you, 1549 01:20:25,779 --> 01:20:30,951 and let it ruin you is something that... there's a very fine line between. 1550 01:20:33,829 --> 01:20:35,247 You know, my brother, um... 1551 01:20:39,543 --> 01:20:42,671 I don't even want to go into that, to be honest. 1552 01:20:42,755 --> 01:20:44,423 It's a real touchy subject with that. 1553 01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:49,845 Kind of lost his way... after that. 1554 01:20:51,597 --> 01:20:55,267 He's better now, but... you know. 1555 01:20:56,852 --> 01:20:59,563 And it kind of comes down to, you know, 1556 01:20:59,646 --> 01:21:03,609 being able to handle what we went through when we were younger, 1557 01:21:03,692 --> 01:21:06,862 the pressure and the fear of failing. 1558 01:21:06,945 --> 01:21:10,866 My junior and senior year, important years for anybody, 1559 01:21:10,949 --> 01:21:14,870 you know, I was a star football player in high school. You know, I've-- 1560 01:21:14,953 --> 01:21:18,415 3.875 GPA, I was doing everything I was supposed to be doing. 1561 01:21:18,499 --> 01:21:21,126 You know, it's tough because... 1562 01:21:21,210 --> 01:21:24,922 my family was distracted by situations that were going on. 1563 01:21:26,131 --> 01:21:28,425 And I didn't really understand it at the time. 1564 01:21:29,927 --> 01:21:33,639 I always knew I can go to the gym and kind of get away from it. 1565 01:21:35,474 --> 01:21:39,603 [grunts] 1566 01:21:47,611 --> 01:21:49,446 [exhales] 1567 01:21:49,530 --> 01:21:51,156 I lived in the boys' home. 1568 01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,617 My parents were drug addicts. I was born a drug baby. 1569 01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:58,038 I had... a bunch of baggage. Oh, man, I hurt inside. 1570 01:21:58,122 --> 01:21:59,581 I hurt everywhere I went. 1571 01:22:00,999 --> 01:22:02,793 And it turned into acting up in class. 1572 01:22:02,876 --> 01:22:07,506 It turned into creating more problems all through high school, all through... 1573 01:22:07,589 --> 01:22:10,384 basically 'til I was 30. I carried it. 1574 01:22:10,467 --> 01:22:15,013 I felt like nobody... related. I felt like nobody got how I felt. 1575 01:22:15,097 --> 01:22:17,724 Being a guy that kind of wears everything on his sleeve, 1576 01:22:17,808 --> 01:22:20,519 what I had to do to prove to everybody that I hurt. 1577 01:22:20,602 --> 01:22:25,524 Drink, fight, just totally mutilate my life to prove to people that I cared. 1578 01:22:25,607 --> 01:22:30,154 Because I went from a drug-abusing, needle-in-my-arm, total loser, bankrupt, 1579 01:22:30,237 --> 01:22:32,489 to a cover of a fitness magazine within a year, 1580 01:22:32,573 --> 01:22:34,366 within a year of my very first step. 1581 01:22:34,450 --> 01:22:38,412 And not only did I have to lose weight, and build muscle, 1582 01:22:38,495 --> 01:22:40,789 and figure it all out from total ignorance, 1583 01:22:40,873 --> 01:22:42,833 but I had to do it with no money. 1584 01:22:42,916 --> 01:22:46,378 I had to do it with no job. I kept going. I kept trying to earn it. 1585 01:22:46,462 --> 01:22:48,755 I wanted to get that respect, that affirmation of, 1586 01:22:48,839 --> 01:22:51,091 "Kimmerle, you've done it," from those that I loved. 1587 01:22:51,175 --> 01:22:54,219 After not stopping and proving that for half a year, 1588 01:22:54,303 --> 01:22:56,680 I could be the man I said I was gonna be, 1589 01:22:56,763 --> 01:22:59,016 and you're all tired of waiting for me to be that guy. 1590 01:22:59,099 --> 01:23:02,436 Well, I'm him now, just-- Didn't notice? 1591 01:23:07,774 --> 01:23:10,986 I got lost, you know. 1592 01:23:13,363 --> 01:23:15,199 Suicide is... 1593 01:23:17,326 --> 01:23:18,827 a very selfish thing. 1594 01:23:20,287 --> 01:23:21,288 But... 1595 01:23:22,831 --> 01:23:24,625 when you reach that point, 1596 01:23:26,168 --> 01:23:28,879 you think it's the most unselfish thing you can do 1597 01:23:28,962 --> 01:23:32,549 because you just want the pain to stop. That's it. 1598 01:23:32,633 --> 01:23:37,930 All I would do is try to sleep because it's the only time it would stop. 1599 01:23:38,013 --> 01:23:39,223 But you can't sleep forever. 1600 01:23:40,933 --> 01:23:45,270 And I grabbed two bottles of my medication, 1601 01:23:46,897 --> 01:23:51,068 and I drank it with that fifth, and... 1602 01:23:52,486 --> 01:23:54,029 I thought that was gonna be it. 1603 01:23:56,031 --> 01:24:01,286 But it wasn't. I woke up... three days later, still alive. 1604 01:24:02,663 --> 01:24:06,250 And after that, I remember... 1605 01:24:07,793 --> 01:24:09,503 driving. 1606 01:24:09,586 --> 01:24:12,047 It was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. 1607 01:24:12,130 --> 01:24:13,131 [sighs] 1608 01:24:14,883 --> 01:24:17,636 I remember driving to my parent's house. 1609 01:24:17,719 --> 01:24:20,597 My dad is a barber, he was busy. 1610 01:24:21,682 --> 01:24:24,268 I busted in the barber shop. 1611 01:24:26,603 --> 01:24:30,148 And he knew something was wrong, seriously wrong. 1612 01:24:30,232 --> 01:24:36,697 And I looked at him, and I said, "Dad, I'm gonna kill myself. I need help. 1613 01:24:36,780 --> 01:24:39,074 I don't know why. I don't know what to do." 1614 01:24:40,450 --> 01:24:42,494 [sighs] 1615 01:24:42,578 --> 01:24:48,750 And I saw my dad age 20 years [stammers] in that five seconds. 1616 01:24:48,834 --> 01:24:51,378 [sobs] I saw it break him. 1617 01:24:53,589 --> 01:24:57,050 It's just so hard to even think about, but... 1618 01:24:57,134 --> 01:25:01,722 He made some calls, and within three hours, I was admitted. 1619 01:25:02,556 --> 01:25:05,767 It made me worse, by being in there. 1620 01:25:07,436 --> 01:25:10,480 And they pumped me full of so many drugs, 1621 01:25:10,564 --> 01:25:12,733 that I was in bed for a year after that. 1622 01:25:15,152 --> 01:25:18,447 A full year. It's the only time I ever stopped lifting. 1623 01:25:19,031 --> 01:25:21,491 I dropped down to 142 pounds. 1624 01:25:23,493 --> 01:25:26,496 And I was pretty hopeless at that point. 1625 01:25:26,580 --> 01:25:30,917 You're on all those medications, you're not a person. 1626 01:25:31,001 --> 01:25:34,504 You are not there. Matt was not there. I was empty. 1627 01:25:34,588 --> 01:25:36,423 I'd have friends come and visit me. 1628 01:25:38,342 --> 01:25:42,429 And I watched them get scared because it wasn't me. 1629 01:25:42,512 --> 01:25:46,516 I had no personality, I had no smile. It was gone. 1630 01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:47,768 [sniffles] 1631 01:25:47,851 --> 01:25:49,561 It was like I was an empty vessel. 1632 01:25:49,645 --> 01:25:55,192 I just prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed, everyday, everyday. 1633 01:25:56,485 --> 01:26:01,073 And one day, I woke up, and I felt different. I felt different. 1634 01:26:02,032 --> 01:26:07,579 I got up... I actually ate something, and I went to the gym. 1635 01:26:08,372 --> 01:26:10,040 It was the first place I went. 1636 01:26:10,123 --> 01:26:15,712 That was like the day that... I broke through. 1637 01:26:16,630 --> 01:26:18,840 I really believe what has saved my life 1638 01:26:18,924 --> 01:26:24,054 has been the support of my family, finding God, but fitness. 1639 01:26:24,137 --> 01:26:27,182 By far, the hardest thing I ever had to do was look at myself. 1640 01:26:27,265 --> 01:26:28,600 [grunts] 1641 01:26:28,684 --> 01:26:30,519 And I had to forgive myself. 1642 01:26:32,562 --> 01:26:37,401 I had to forgive myself first, learn to love myself. 1643 01:26:38,485 --> 01:26:41,196 It starts with yourself. 1644 01:26:41,279 --> 01:26:43,824 There's a certain amount of struggle that has to be accepted. 1645 01:26:43,907 --> 01:26:45,242 You got to accept the struggle. 1646 01:26:45,325 --> 01:26:49,162 There's this threshold in life, 1647 01:26:49,246 --> 01:26:53,542 and where your mind's at, your mind thinks the threshold's here. 1648 01:26:53,625 --> 01:26:56,586 And your body, and your destiny, and your greatness is here. 1649 01:26:56,670 --> 01:27:00,132 'Cause it's not what you thought about, and what you've done 1650 01:27:00,215 --> 01:27:02,259 that's gonna get you where you wanna go. 1651 01:27:02,342 --> 01:27:05,137 To get what you want, you have to do what you've never done. 1652 01:27:07,347 --> 01:27:08,598 [Greg] I was sitting strong, man. 1653 01:27:08,682 --> 01:27:10,726 I bought a house well over a million dollars. 1654 01:27:10,809 --> 01:27:12,769 I had, you know, 800,000 in the stock market. 1655 01:27:12,853 --> 01:27:14,521 I was on a couple TV shows. 1656 01:27:14,604 --> 01:27:16,481 Um, I was doing commercials, everything else. 1657 01:27:16,565 --> 01:27:21,319 Within six months, I was dead broke, 400,000 in debt, both jobs were canceled, 1658 01:27:21,403 --> 01:27:24,448 and the bills were steep coming in. There's a reality check real fast for you. 1659 01:27:24,531 --> 01:27:26,867 And it wasn't like I did something to cause that. 1660 01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:28,827 That was just an evolution of the market, 1661 01:27:28,910 --> 01:27:33,832 the housing market and the recession that we all went into. 1662 01:27:33,915 --> 01:27:37,586 Who are you there, you know? It's real easy in the EKG of life. 1663 01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:40,046 It's kind of funny that the heartbeat is that, right? 1664 01:27:40,130 --> 01:27:43,467 Because isn't that life itself? And who are you at the top? 1665 01:27:43,550 --> 01:27:47,304 The character, who is that person? How do you define yourself there? 1666 01:27:47,387 --> 01:27:50,599 And is that different than down here? And if it is, something's seriously wrong, 1667 01:27:50,682 --> 01:27:53,477 'cause you can never be defined by success. 1668 01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:54,728 You must always define it. 1669 01:27:54,811 --> 01:27:57,606 And when you get success, that person's hungry, hungry. 1670 01:27:57,689 --> 01:28:00,108 You ask that person, "Hey, uh, what are you all about?" 1671 01:28:00,192 --> 01:28:03,445 I'm gonna be this, talking about future. I'm gonna be this, I'm gonna be this. 1672 01:28:03,528 --> 01:28:06,072 Then you ask somebody who has the success, the coin flips. 1673 01:28:06,156 --> 01:28:07,949 All of a sudden, that success defines them. 1674 01:28:08,033 --> 01:28:09,743 "Oh, who are you? I did this." 1675 01:28:09,826 --> 01:28:11,161 Well... [scoffs] 1676 01:28:11,244 --> 01:28:16,291 There's a past tense there, and if it's past tense, um, or it's idle, 1677 01:28:16,374 --> 01:28:19,044 it's not moving, man, and you can't grow from that. 1678 01:28:19,127 --> 01:28:22,005 You always have to reinvent the wheel, retry things. 1679 01:28:22,088 --> 01:28:25,592 And you can never be a victim of the situation. 1680 01:28:25,675 --> 01:28:29,012 It always has to be-- It can never get too comfortable, man. 1681 01:28:29,095 --> 01:28:30,597 Those comfort zones are really danger zones 1682 01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:31,848 'cause you never try your true potential. 1683 01:28:31,932 --> 01:28:34,226 But, you know, I had a big wake-up call, man. 1684 01:28:34,309 --> 01:28:36,353 All my friends left me, you know. 1685 01:28:36,436 --> 01:28:38,605 I thought they were friends, man. Gone, man. 1686 01:28:38,688 --> 01:28:40,357 I started pointing my finger at everybody, saying, 1687 01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:41,983 "That's crap. I can't believe that." 1688 01:28:42,067 --> 01:28:44,653 Three were pointing back at me. I had to fix myself, man. 1689 01:28:44,736 --> 01:28:48,323 I rescued three dogs, man. I was supporting my parents. 1690 01:28:48,406 --> 01:28:51,076 Everything was gonna go down. Dogs would have to find a new place. 1691 01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:54,037 I didn't know what was gonna go down then. I just knew that it wasn't an option. 1692 01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:56,623 I started going-- You know Per Bernal, photographer? 1693 01:28:56,706 --> 01:28:58,208 I went to his house doing construction. 1694 01:28:58,291 --> 01:29:00,669 I was doing construction. And I remember this girl came by, 1695 01:29:00,752 --> 01:29:03,505 we shot a few covers, um, and she came by, 1696 01:29:03,588 --> 01:29:05,632 she said, "Oh, Greg, cool. I was hoping we shoot together." 1697 01:29:05,715 --> 01:29:07,801 I'm covered in shit, man, covered in shit. 1698 01:29:07,884 --> 01:29:09,219 She's like, "Wait, we're not shooting together?" 1699 01:29:09,302 --> 01:29:10,470 I'm like, "No." I said, "What are you doing? 1700 01:29:10,554 --> 01:29:12,305 I'm trying to keep my house, man." 1701 01:29:12,389 --> 01:29:14,975 You know, I couldn't go to auditions and then a call back 1702 01:29:15,058 --> 01:29:16,893 and a call back, and not getting paid anything. 1703 01:29:16,977 --> 01:29:20,313 And it wasn't fast enough. I had-- These bills were coming in hard. 1704 01:29:20,397 --> 01:29:24,025 I make... 30K a month coming in, I had to throw out, you know. 1705 01:29:24,109 --> 01:29:25,944 I had to grow up real fast, you know. 1706 01:29:26,027 --> 01:29:29,781 Your greatest hour as a human is usually right after your worst hour of despair. 1707 01:29:29,865 --> 01:29:34,536 And that was a rebound effect for me. And I look back at that as a blessing. 1708 01:29:34,619 --> 01:29:35,912 People like, "Hey, what's your biggest failure? 1709 01:29:35,996 --> 01:29:38,832 What's your biggest failure?" I go, "I don't know if I have one 1710 01:29:38,915 --> 01:29:40,374 because each of them molded something in me 1711 01:29:40,458 --> 01:29:42,127 where I learned so much about myself. 1712 01:29:42,210 --> 01:29:46,047 If I were to pull that out of my life, I don't know who I'd be right now." 1713 01:29:46,131 --> 01:29:48,550 And I never let failure stand as failure. I just kept trying. 1714 01:29:48,633 --> 01:29:51,553 You know they say, "Failure's temporary, giving up is permanent." 1715 01:29:51,636 --> 01:29:54,890 I'll be damned if at the end of my days, I'm never gonna have any regrets. 1716 01:29:54,973 --> 01:29:57,851 It's interesting what Greg said, you know. Every-- 1717 01:29:57,934 --> 01:30:00,145 When you're in your darkest hours, 1718 01:30:00,228 --> 01:30:03,565 if you just hang in there, and you fight through, 1719 01:30:03,648 --> 01:30:05,275 something good is gonna come out. 1720 01:30:07,527 --> 01:30:09,070 [birds chirping] 1721 01:30:11,281 --> 01:30:14,701 I love competing, but competing isn't just a job on its own, you know? 1722 01:30:14,784 --> 01:30:16,494 We gotta do other things to be successful. 1723 01:30:16,578 --> 01:30:19,164 You cant-- You're not gonna be successful just competing. 1724 01:30:19,247 --> 01:30:20,290 You know, it's... 1725 01:30:20,373 --> 01:30:24,418 other things that you have to get involved in the industry to make money. 1726 01:30:24,502 --> 01:30:28,340 So guys like me, looking to get a small chunk of money from these guys, 1727 01:30:28,422 --> 01:30:31,134 and be in the magazine and competing with, not only celebrities, 1728 01:30:31,217 --> 01:30:35,513 but the other six-packs that are amazing walking around, is hard. 1729 01:30:35,597 --> 01:30:37,974 So [stammers] I've really upped my game 1730 01:30:38,058 --> 01:30:40,185 and made sure that I'm at my potential, and if-- 1731 01:30:40,268 --> 01:30:42,436 You know what? If that's not good enough, fine, I understand. 1732 01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,814 If I'm not the right look, the right color, 1733 01:30:44,898 --> 01:30:48,401 the right ethnicity, the right anything, the right height, that's fine with me. 1734 01:30:48,485 --> 01:30:51,154 But I don't wanna be turned down... 1735 01:30:52,322 --> 01:30:54,491 after not showing my best. 1736 01:30:54,574 --> 01:30:56,910 In our business, we're building a body. 1737 01:30:56,993 --> 01:30:58,995 Then if you wanna get smart and be successful, 1738 01:30:59,079 --> 01:31:01,665 you gotta have a business plan, you gotta have a marketing scheme, 1739 01:31:01,748 --> 01:31:04,167 you gotta know how to deliver that product to the consumer. 1740 01:31:04,250 --> 01:31:06,711 And that's what it's all about, and I think that's what-- 1741 01:31:06,795 --> 01:31:08,630 That's why I think TJ's been really successful. 1742 01:31:08,713 --> 01:31:10,757 Dave, you've been successful, and a lot of other guys, 1743 01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:14,970 is that they can take-- They understand that their body is just a product. 1744 01:31:15,053 --> 01:31:16,930 You know, it's nothing more than that. 1745 01:31:17,013 --> 01:31:20,141 You build a product, and then you sell that product 1746 01:31:20,225 --> 01:31:22,602 on how you get the product, the motivation behind the product, 1747 01:31:22,686 --> 01:31:23,853 how to maintain the product. 1748 01:31:23,937 --> 01:31:27,148 I did a great spread in a magazine and they told me, 1749 01:31:27,232 --> 01:31:29,317 "Kimmerle, you're gonna have the cover." 1750 01:31:29,401 --> 01:31:31,987 And I'm waiting for this thing to come out. I'm all excited. 1751 01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:33,071 And who's on the cover? 1752 01:31:33,154 --> 01:31:37,075 TJ. And I'm trying to explain to somebody why that happened. 1753 01:31:37,158 --> 01:31:38,868 -[stammers] And... -That was very subjective. 1754 01:31:38,952 --> 01:31:41,579 -Yeah, you know, so there's a competition. -[all chuckle] 1755 01:31:41,663 --> 01:31:44,749 -That's your competitor. - He's a smooth approach, TJ. 1756 01:31:44,833 --> 01:31:46,793 A competitor... [chuckles] He moved right in. 1757 01:31:46,876 --> 01:31:49,503 A competitor can go and talk to the judges and you're supposed to. 1758 01:31:49,587 --> 01:31:51,798 Why did I win? Why did I lose? What's my edification? 1759 01:31:51,881 --> 01:31:54,342 How do I get better? What do I fix? 1760 01:31:54,426 --> 01:31:58,680 And as a talent or a model, sometimes you don't get that. 1761 01:31:58,763 --> 01:32:00,932 And you just get the, "You didn't get the cover." 1762 01:32:01,016 --> 01:32:02,308 You know, they don't even tell you. 1763 01:32:02,392 --> 01:32:05,228 Subjectively, you have to look at the guy on the cover and go why. 1764 01:32:05,311 --> 01:32:07,063 Why does Greg Plitt get so many covers? 1765 01:32:07,147 --> 01:32:08,356 Let me ask you this, Matt, 1766 01:32:08,440 --> 01:32:11,026 and you tell me what you think or anyone here, competitors. 1767 01:32:11,109 --> 01:32:13,153 SoLet's say you're all dialed in, and you trained really hard, 1768 01:32:13,236 --> 01:32:14,446 and you're really cut up, right? 1769 01:32:14,528 --> 01:32:18,450 And you go to a shoot. And you know the world's gonna see this cover, right? 1770 01:32:18,532 --> 01:32:21,619 And the photographer says, "Hey, man, I want you to go soft. Don't flex." 1771 01:32:21,703 --> 01:32:23,121 So they want to take a picture, 1772 01:32:23,204 --> 01:32:25,248 show the world that's not your best in your mind. 1773 01:32:25,957 --> 01:32:28,084 Are you cool with that? Or are you all ego? 1774 01:32:28,168 --> 01:32:30,211 "It's gotta be like this, gotta be like this." 1775 01:32:30,295 --> 01:32:32,505 Because if you wanna be successful, you got to be marketable. 1776 01:32:32,589 --> 01:32:35,842 You have to have crossover. You got to be adjust up and down, five, six pounds. 1777 01:32:35,925 --> 01:32:39,262 It can't all be about how cut you are because, you know, 1778 01:32:39,345 --> 01:32:41,181 the population at large is trying to buy this 1779 01:32:41,264 --> 01:32:42,390 for inspiration and motivation. 1780 01:32:42,474 --> 01:32:45,143 If you're really dialed in, the majority of the public's like, 1781 01:32:45,226 --> 01:32:47,062 "Oh, he got some help with that", you know. 1782 01:32:47,145 --> 01:32:50,190 He's like, "Hey, I respect the work ethic, but I don't wanna go that route." 1783 01:32:50,273 --> 01:32:51,483 It's what they're thinking, maybe. 1784 01:32:51,565 --> 01:32:54,611 You get a person in there that's kind of somewhat in shape, whatever else, 1785 01:32:54,694 --> 01:32:57,947 the majority of the people looking go, "Man, you know what, I respect that guy." 1786 01:32:58,031 --> 01:33:00,909 The hard work, the right diet, it's achievable, you know? 1787 01:33:00,992 --> 01:33:02,285 So it motivates them. 1788 01:33:02,368 --> 01:33:04,954 Otherwise, if it's too cut up, maybe it's unattainable. 1789 01:33:05,038 --> 01:33:06,706 And it's kinda deters that motivation, 1790 01:33:06,790 --> 01:33:09,375 so, you know, there's a lot that goes into fitness modeling 1791 01:33:09,459 --> 01:33:11,461 that's outside the box of the physique. 1792 01:33:11,544 --> 01:33:16,132 It's the motivation, um, and the mentality around the gym, 1793 01:33:16,216 --> 01:33:19,260 because we're trying to build a lifestyle. We're not trying to build, 1794 01:33:19,344 --> 01:33:21,721 "Hey, you're gonna be in shape three times a year, and that's it." 1795 01:33:21,805 --> 01:33:24,682 No, we're trying to build the, "Hey, being in shape is better, it's healthier." 1796 01:33:24,766 --> 01:33:26,768 It's not all about the vanity, but also about, 1797 01:33:26,851 --> 01:33:28,353 you know, the longevity, right? 1798 01:33:28,436 --> 01:33:31,022 And so, to anyone out here that is thinking that 1799 01:33:31,106 --> 01:33:34,526 they're gonna do this and get rich once they get on a cover 1800 01:33:34,608 --> 01:33:37,946 or hit the stage, it's not that way. 1801 01:33:38,029 --> 01:33:39,781 Most guys, you know, they run a deficit 1802 01:33:39,864 --> 01:33:44,327 just trying to compete because it's expensive to compete. 1803 01:33:44,410 --> 01:33:46,788 -To eat right is expensive. -[Dennis] Yeah. 1804 01:33:46,871 --> 01:33:50,250 If you don't have a supplement sponsor to pay for supplements every month, 1805 01:33:50,333 --> 01:33:51,543 it's expensive. 1806 01:33:51,625 --> 01:33:53,294 And when you say the paycheck, 1807 01:33:53,378 --> 01:33:55,672 I've never invoiced a magazine for a cover. 1808 01:33:55,755 --> 01:33:59,425 I don't think I've ever gotten paid. Where I've gotten paid is the networking. 1809 01:33:59,509 --> 01:34:01,302 You know, you're building relationships with people. 1810 01:34:01,386 --> 01:34:03,346 And so yeah, you don't get the shape-- 1811 01:34:03,429 --> 01:34:05,306 You're talking publicity with the covers. 1812 01:34:05,390 --> 01:34:06,891 [Greg] Yeah, that's all it really is, man. 1813 01:34:06,975 --> 01:34:09,477 See, the public sees your cover next to GQ, 1814 01:34:09,561 --> 01:34:11,187 who's a big movie star, right? 1815 01:34:11,271 --> 01:34:14,065 And so they have this assimilation that, you know, you've made it. 1816 01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:17,277 I wish that was the case, man. I wish that was the case. 1817 01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:18,570 What comes after the cover? 1818 01:34:18,652 --> 01:34:21,614 What comes after the 50th, the 100th, the 1,000th cover? 1819 01:34:21,698 --> 01:34:25,368 Um, I can give you a million examples, but what happens after a contest? 1820 01:34:25,451 --> 01:34:28,163 You know, how many plastic trophies is gonna make you feel good? 1821 01:34:28,246 --> 01:34:31,040 I mean, where's the money? Where's that start? 1822 01:34:31,124 --> 01:34:33,751 Or is it about the money? Or is it about something else? 1823 01:34:33,835 --> 01:34:36,629 At the end of the day, what's it about? Say what's your driving force? 1824 01:34:36,713 --> 01:34:39,841 It can't just be about you winning. There's gotta be some higher point. 1825 01:34:39,924 --> 01:34:43,803 Like a gym can't be about the ends. The gym has to be the means to some ends. 1826 01:34:43,887 --> 01:34:47,765 Get into this for you. Get into this for the love of the sport, 1827 01:34:47,849 --> 01:34:50,435 for training hard, for inspiring others, 'cause to me, 1828 01:34:50,518 --> 01:34:52,395 and I'm sure everyone up here will say the same thing, 1829 01:34:52,478 --> 01:34:55,231 there's no greater payday... 1830 01:34:55,315 --> 01:34:58,610 than actually affecting someone's life for the positive 1831 01:34:58,692 --> 01:35:02,197 because the way that makes you feel, it's all about helping other people. 1832 01:35:07,744 --> 01:35:09,245 -What's up, guys? How you doing, man? -[man] Sup. 1833 01:35:09,329 --> 01:35:11,789 [speaks indistinctly] 1834 01:35:11,873 --> 01:35:13,458 -What's up, Matt? -How ya doing, man? 1835 01:35:13,541 --> 01:35:15,709 What's up, bro? Mind if I get a picture with you? 1836 01:35:15,793 --> 01:35:18,087 -Looking good, man. Looking large, man. -Gotta eat, bro. 1837 01:35:21,966 --> 01:35:25,011 You don't wanna do it too often. You got to let the muscle heal. 1838 01:35:25,094 --> 01:35:28,431 So then you can tear it again, let it recover and then, go back at it. 1839 01:35:28,514 --> 01:35:30,892 -There you go, man. -Thanks for setting the standards, man. 1840 01:35:30,975 --> 01:35:32,227 -Thank you. -[chuckles] You got it, brother. 1841 01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:34,020 [both laugh] 1842 01:35:34,103 --> 01:35:35,605 Hey, I love this corner. 1843 01:35:35,688 --> 01:35:37,523 Okay, we have our caramel sea salt, 1844 01:35:37,607 --> 01:35:39,733 and then we have our strawberries and cream. 1845 01:35:41,653 --> 01:35:42,654 Thank you. 1846 01:35:43,529 --> 01:35:46,282 [people chattering indistinctly] 1847 01:35:51,663 --> 01:35:52,664 Keep it up. 1848 01:35:52,746 --> 01:35:54,748 [announcer] That's, uh, 2013's hottest new covers... 1849 01:35:54,832 --> 01:35:57,252 ...dipping! 1850 01:36:01,130 --> 01:36:02,382 [chuckles] 1851 01:36:02,465 --> 01:36:05,843 You got it? Not bad for a 60 year old, right? 1852 01:36:05,927 --> 01:36:07,136 [both chuckle] 1853 01:36:07,220 --> 01:36:09,222 [chuckle] Shadowed up. 1854 01:36:13,309 --> 01:36:15,687 -I'm too old to go back to school. -You got this. 1855 01:36:15,769 --> 01:36:18,189 -I'm so not cool. Oh, my God. -Get your doctorate, man. 1856 01:36:18,273 --> 01:36:19,857 What you're putting in your body, not only, 1857 01:36:19,941 --> 01:36:22,944 you know, from the macro-nutrient protein, fats and carbs... 1858 01:36:23,027 --> 01:36:26,531 It's about trying to come in with a small waist, 1859 01:36:26,614 --> 01:36:30,034 and a really, really, really balanced physique. 1860 01:36:30,118 --> 01:36:32,412 Shooting with the right photographers, 1861 01:36:32,495 --> 01:36:34,914 uh, you know, building up the social media platform... 1862 01:36:42,630 --> 01:36:44,257 [people chattering indistinctly] 1863 01:36:49,762 --> 01:36:51,097 [chuckles] 1864 01:36:55,059 --> 01:36:56,269 [man] One more. 1865 01:37:01,274 --> 01:37:02,984 [Matt] It's never let me down. 1866 01:37:03,067 --> 01:37:05,236 It's never abandoned me. It's never cheated on me. 1867 01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:06,529 It's never lied to me. 1868 01:37:06,612 --> 01:37:09,073 A hundred pounds is a hundred pounds, you know. 1869 01:37:09,157 --> 01:37:14,704 It's always been there for me. It's just... you got to put in the work. 1870 01:37:14,787 --> 01:37:19,250 And we all... maybe start for different reasons. 1871 01:37:19,334 --> 01:37:21,753 But you're only gonna continue if it's for you, 1872 01:37:21,835 --> 01:37:25,048 and it's for a positive reason, it's for the right reasons. 1873 01:37:25,131 --> 01:37:27,841 There needs to be a sense of emotional turmoil. 1874 01:37:27,925 --> 01:37:33,222 You need to be so sick of being, you know, having the same physique, you know? 1875 01:37:33,306 --> 01:37:35,266 If you want to look like somebody, do it. 1876 01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:38,186 You gotta be so sick of yourself to be like, "Listen, I don't care. 1877 01:37:38,269 --> 01:37:40,646 I'm goin' to gym for two hours every single day 1878 01:37:40,730 --> 01:37:43,024 for the next month, and I'm gonna see my results." 1879 01:37:43,107 --> 01:37:46,069 This is about authentic, about new, 1880 01:37:46,152 --> 01:37:49,113 about transforming, and that's a strange brave world. 1881 01:37:49,197 --> 01:37:50,615 You gotta be a pioneer. 1882 01:37:50,698 --> 01:37:54,243 Your body is a gift. Connect to it, use it, experience it. 1883 01:37:54,327 --> 01:37:55,828 It's authentic. It's real. 1884 01:37:55,912 --> 01:37:58,998 You have a fingerprint that separates you from everybody else in the world. 1885 01:37:59,082 --> 01:38:01,875 Because 99 percent of the world's average, but they don't look like that. 1886 01:38:01,959 --> 01:38:05,338 What makes you get up in the morning to make this commitment? 1887 01:38:05,421 --> 01:38:08,800 Because, every other week or something, the world's gonna see us. 1888 01:38:08,882 --> 01:38:10,927 And as you climb the ladder, everybody hates you. 1889 01:38:11,010 --> 01:38:13,012 Everybody's waiting for your trip and fall. 1890 01:38:13,096 --> 01:38:14,680 You know, with success, many will love you. 1891 01:38:14,764 --> 01:38:18,142 The majority will hate you because your success is like a spotlight 1892 01:38:18,226 --> 01:38:19,893 shining down on their missed opportunity. 1893 01:38:19,977 --> 01:38:22,313 [stammers] I've beaten the best in the world 1894 01:38:22,397 --> 01:38:25,400 and... I'm still not satisfied. 1895 01:38:25,483 --> 01:38:29,570 Even with Olympia this year, I'm very proud of what I've accomplished, 1896 01:38:29,654 --> 01:38:31,406 but it's just the beginning. 1897 01:38:31,489 --> 01:38:34,826 You think I'm gonna sit down and be happy about winning? 1898 01:38:34,908 --> 01:38:37,787 No way. I'm back in the gym, I'm back on the grind, 1899 01:38:37,870 --> 01:38:40,873 'cause I gotta outwork every single person coming after me. 1900 01:38:40,957 --> 01:38:43,418 Sadik and I didn't even say a dang word to each other, 1901 01:38:43,501 --> 01:38:45,753 even at check-ins or backstage, nothing, 1902 01:38:45,837 --> 01:38:48,631 'cause I knew he was my number one competition going into that show. 1903 01:38:48,714 --> 01:38:50,800 The one person I was worried about was Sadik. 1904 01:38:50,883 --> 01:38:53,927 If anybody, other than myself, would get the title, it'd be him. 1905 01:38:54,011 --> 01:38:56,180 And I'm gonna do everything I can to stay on top, 1906 01:38:56,264 --> 01:38:57,974 I'm gonna do everything to keep Sadik at second. 1907 01:38:58,057 --> 01:39:00,226 I don't ever go into a show and not think I'm gonna win. 1908 01:39:00,309 --> 01:39:04,063 But there's no reason why the man standing next to me 1909 01:39:04,147 --> 01:39:07,108 should be any better than me. No reason. 1910 01:39:07,191 --> 01:39:08,942 I have a target on me. 1911 01:39:09,026 --> 01:39:11,863 Every single person in the IFBB that competes in the Men's Physique division 1912 01:39:11,945 --> 01:39:13,281 is coming after me. 1913 01:39:13,364 --> 01:39:15,867 There is no off-season. I call that unemployment. 1914 01:39:15,949 --> 01:39:18,619 Um, and I can't tell you how many covers I've stolen, 1915 01:39:18,703 --> 01:39:20,037 um, when photographers have called me up, 1916 01:39:20,121 --> 01:39:21,789 and they'd be like, "Hey, Greg, um, what's my call, 1917 01:39:21,873 --> 01:39:24,375 couldn't make the flight or came in out of shape, whatever else, 1918 01:39:24,459 --> 01:39:25,918 what are you doing in an hour?" 1919 01:39:26,002 --> 01:39:28,796 [Evan Olson's "All the Way" playing] 1920 01:39:38,431 --> 01:39:41,225 ♪ My skin is pure And my mind is green ♪ 1921 01:39:41,309 --> 01:39:44,437 ♪ But my heart is built Just like a guillotine ♪ 1922 01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:47,899 ♪ And all the world's Gonna feel my sting ♪ 1923 01:39:47,981 --> 01:39:51,319 ♪ Gonna set my sights right On the brass ring ♪ 1924 01:39:51,402 --> 01:39:54,864 ♪ All the doors are opened up for me ♪ 1925 01:39:54,947 --> 01:39:58,326 ♪ If you don't believe it Wait and see ♪ 1926 01:39:58,409 --> 01:40:01,662 ♪ I'm gonna go all the way this time ♪ 1927 01:40:01,746 --> 01:40:04,916 ♪ I'm gonna show everyone what's mine ♪ 1928 01:40:04,998 --> 01:40:08,044 ♪ I'm leaving with everything I know ♪ 1929 01:40:08,127 --> 01:40:12,131 ♪ Anybody wanna come along, let's go ♪ 1930 01:40:17,428 --> 01:40:20,056 ♪ My mood is right For the brand new way ♪ 1931 01:40:20,139 --> 01:40:23,768 ♪ Gonna live this life Like it's the last day ♪ 1932 01:40:23,851 --> 01:40:26,729 ♪ And holding back Never crossed my mind ♪ 1933 01:40:26,812 --> 01:40:30,858 ♪ Gonna say goodbye This is the last time ♪ 1934 01:40:30,942 --> 01:40:34,529 ♪ I can feel it burning deep inside ♪ 1935 01:40:34,612 --> 01:40:37,406 ♪ I can see my future open wide ♪ 1936 01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:40,660 ♪ I'm gonna go all the way this time ♪ 1937 01:40:40,743 --> 01:40:43,871 ♪ I'm gonna show everyone what's mine ♪ 1938 01:40:43,955 --> 01:40:47,083 ♪ I'm leaving with everything I know ♪ 1939 01:40:47,166 --> 01:40:50,336 ♪ Anybody wanna come along, let's go ♪ 1940 01:40:50,419 --> 01:40:53,381 ♪ I'm gonna all the way this time ♪ 1941 01:40:53,464 --> 01:40:56,551 ♪ I'm gonna show everyone what's mine ♪ 1942 01:40:56,634 --> 01:40:59,887 ♪ I'm leaving with everything I know ♪ 1943 01:40:59,971 --> 01:41:03,056 ♪ Anybody, anybody ♪ 1944 01:41:03,140 --> 01:41:08,646 ♪ I've put this on before But I wont fail again ♪ 1945 01:41:09,438 --> 01:41:15,278 ♪ There's only one thing left for me And I will win ♪ 1946 01:41:15,361 --> 01:41:17,029 ♪ I will win ♪ 1947 01:41:29,250 --> 01:41:32,211 ♪ This could be The last chance I have left ♪ 1948 01:41:32,295 --> 01:41:35,590 ♪ Nobody wants it more than me ♪ 1949 01:41:41,846 --> 01:41:46,851 [TJ] So many people out there fail, not because they don't have the ability. 1950 01:41:46,934 --> 01:41:51,230 It's because they don't have the heart to go through adversity. 1951 01:41:51,314 --> 01:41:52,648 [grunting] 1952 01:41:52,732 --> 01:41:57,778 Your life is not about making money, it's not about having the titles, 1953 01:41:57,862 --> 01:42:02,908 it's not about having the hot trophy wife, your life is about a moment to come. 1954 01:42:02,992 --> 01:42:06,245 It's inevitable. We cannot stop it from coming. 1955 01:42:06,329 --> 01:42:08,623 Right now, we have the most valuable asset 1956 01:42:08,706 --> 01:42:13,210 on earth on our side, time. But it's running out. 1957 01:42:13,294 --> 01:42:17,715 And to make that first step towards greatness is the hardest step. 1958 01:42:17,798 --> 01:42:21,677 There is so much power in failure because you learn so much from it. 1959 01:42:21,761 --> 01:42:25,014 If you don't like where you are right now, turn around and look at what you've done. 1960 01:42:25,097 --> 01:42:27,099 You've built every single step to create this, 1961 01:42:27,183 --> 01:42:28,893 just taken the easy road too many times, 1962 01:42:28,976 --> 01:42:31,520 not getting up, not going for that extra rep, 1963 01:42:31,604 --> 01:42:34,899 puttin' that extra mile in, the little inches of life 1964 01:42:34,982 --> 01:42:37,568 that add up to be first place or forgotten. 1965 01:42:37,652 --> 01:42:39,403 You can't fake strong. [grunts] 1966 01:42:39,487 --> 01:42:43,282 Let's do this! Yeah, come on! How much more you got? 1967 01:42:43,366 --> 01:42:45,451 This is why you're the champ. Come on. Show 'em why you're the champ. 1968 01:42:45,534 --> 01:42:46,869 [grunts] 1969 01:42:46,952 --> 01:42:49,288 [David] The willpower, the belief, the confidence, 1970 01:42:49,372 --> 01:42:51,957 and just like you go to the gym and you lift your muscles, right? 1971 01:42:52,041 --> 01:42:54,835 You have to exhaust them to grow 'em. Use it or lose it. 1972 01:42:54,919 --> 01:42:58,005 Your confidence must be the same way. It must be tested. 1973 01:42:58,089 --> 01:43:00,216 Safety, comfort zones are dead zones. 1974 01:43:00,299 --> 01:43:02,468 Because your true potential will never be matched. 1975 01:43:03,219 --> 01:43:05,680 You know what struggle is. You know what adversity is. 1976 01:43:05,763 --> 01:43:08,891 We know what failure is. No, you have to build that. 1977 01:43:08,974 --> 01:43:11,727 The perseverance! To see it through! 1978 01:43:11,811 --> 01:43:15,231 The never-say-die attitude. The difference between a champion 1979 01:43:15,314 --> 01:43:18,943 and someone's who's forgotten, is that a champion shows up. 1980 01:43:19,026 --> 01:43:20,403 Come on! 1981 01:43:22,655 --> 01:43:25,282 Don't tell me that what you do and who you are doesn't matter. 1982 01:43:25,366 --> 01:43:27,868 You were born an original. Don't die a copy. 1983 01:43:50,141 --> 01:43:53,018 [Thomas Tha Franchise's "Grindin' playing] 178545

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