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What's new
in the record business?
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Have you a brought
a new sound to...
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No new sound.
I have a hard enough time
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prevailing over the old one.
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-Really?
-That's right.
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We leave the new sounds
to everyone else.
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And I think he was always
slightly uneasy
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with his success,
as much as he rejoiced in it
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and felt that he richly
deserved it.
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It allowed him to indulge
some of his worst aspects,
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and also brought with it
a degree of paranoia.
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What do you think, I'm some kind
of an idiot or something?
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You're trying to trap me like
I'm some kind of a moe.
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"What do you think
of those songs?"
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[Eartha Kitt] Well, if I were
you, I wouldn't ask
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-those kind of questions.
-Here we go.
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You're gonna hear it,
they're gonna--
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they're gonna
start in with me now.
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Don't you want me
to talk to you, Phil?
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No, that's quite all right.
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Talk to antagonistic
Eartha Kitt.
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[Nedra Talley-Ross]
I began to see things in him
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that I didn't like.
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I knew he had
little man insecurities,
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and that's when it began
to be things
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like we'd go out to lunch,
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and he'd have a couple
of bodyguards.
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I have some friends backstage
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who don't take kindly
to that nonsense about...
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-Who's backstage?
-Never mind who's backstage.
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You'll feel them
as they come through the wall.
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-Oh.
-[laughter]
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When somebody would start
something with him,
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then he'd say,
"Go outside, come outside."
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So, the two bodyguards
would go outside.
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He didn't go out,
he wasn't gonna fight.
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He seems to be
terribly sensitive.
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[Phil] Very sensitive,
you have no idea.
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I'm gonna knock the both of you
right out into the street.
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What are you sensitive about?
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Ignorance--
oh, am I sensitive.
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He knew full well
that he wasn't well.
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He knew full well what
his mental condition was.
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He's realizing that something
is not quite right.
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I mean, other people
can clearly see it,
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but he's also realizing it.
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Come on,
Eartha, tell me.
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The only thing I can say
is I believe in Socrates.
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-You do?
-Yes.
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-Did he believe in you, though?
-Give him--
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give someone enough rope,
and he always hangs himself.
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Uh-oh, uh-oh.
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[cheers and applause]
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[music]
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Daydreaming 'bout you
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So glad I found you
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I was lost without you
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I'll sing
a little louder
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So glad I found you
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I was lost
without you
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I'll sing
a little louder
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[male reporter] It starts like
a Hollywood murder mystery.
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The victim, a beautiful
B-movie actress
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named Lana Clarkson.
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[female reporter] Lana Clarkson
was a B-list movie actress.
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[female reporter 2]
A B-movie star turned up dead
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in Phil Spector's mansion.
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One of the most
disheartening parts
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of that whole situation
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was they would always lead
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with "The B-actress
Lana Clarkson."
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[male reporter] Lana Clarkson,
tall, blonde, 40, B-movie star.
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[male reporter 2] He meets
struggling actress
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Lana Clarkson.
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[male reporter] She'd spent
most of her life
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hoping that
she'd be famous too,
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and now, ironically, was.
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When people say that, what do
you automatically think of?
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Just some low-budget
horrible actor, actress,
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you know, in some movies
that you never heard of before.
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To me, it was a form
of degradation.
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Oh, man, I tell you.
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Some of you
might recognize me,
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though you may not
want to admit it.
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No, sir, I did not do pornos.
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[laughter]
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That is horrible.
That is horrible.
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I would hope that people
would not judge her.
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People automatically assume
that "A," I have no brain,
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"B," I have fake breasts,
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and "C," that I will,
for cash and prizes,
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give it all away.
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The answer is "D,"
none of the above.
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In fact,
it's because I have "A"
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and I don't have "B"
that I don't do "C."
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What are you trying to portray?
What are you trying to say?
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You know, she had act--
she made movies, you know.
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She was in
the Hollywood business.
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And I've played probably
every sexpot bimbo character
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-you could imagine.
-[laughter]
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You name her,
I've played her.
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Flight attendant,
showgirl, hooker,
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uh, mistress, masseuse,
hooker.
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-Warrior.
-[laughter]
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You know, blah-blah, hooker.
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Do we see like a theme here?
[laughter]
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You mustn't confuse
the actress and her roles
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with the woman though, okay?
Basically.
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She was an actress.
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And let's take it
a step further,
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she was just a person.
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And I really--
whenever I would hear that,
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I literally would cringe.
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I could stand up here all night
and do characters,
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but I thought tonight
I would just stick
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to the hardest character
of them all to play, Lana.
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[laughter]
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[Paul Fournier] As a detective,
the very first,
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and I think the most
important thing,
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is to handle the actual
collection of evidence.
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Right next to Lana
was a desk,
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and the drawer
was partially open.
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Inside the desk was a holster
that matched the gun
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that was found by her foot.
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Some of the key things
certainly was the gun,
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the gun that was ultimately
used in the case.
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[Richard] The handgun used
to kill Lana Clarkson
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was a .38-caliber revolver.
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There were multiple weapons
that were ultimately recovered
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inside his residence through
various parts of the house.
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[Richard] In his bedroom
he had over five or six
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different type of handguns,
and rifles, and shotguns.
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[Paul] There was ammunition
found, again,
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through several areas
throughout the mansion.
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And then,
you take the next step.
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We need to try to determine
whether or not
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he had any similar incidents,
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and if in fact there was,
a pattern that he has.
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All these years
that we worked together,
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I was hearing about
all these things
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that he's doing,
and I'm going, "Phil?
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"You know, I know
he's kinda crazy,
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"but what guns,
what are you talking about?
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I've never seen Phil Spector
pull out a gun."
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One particular time
I was on my way
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to do a session with Phil,
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and everybody was running
out of the studio.
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And I'm going, what's up,
what's going on?
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"Man, Phil's in there
with his guns out."
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I said, "What do you mean
he's in there?
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"This is a Darlene Love session.
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What do you mean
he's in there pulling guns?"
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And they told me that
he was in there joking around,
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you know, with his gun
in his hand.
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I said,
"Well, y'all the ones crazy.
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"Y'all in there with him
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and you allowing him
to do that."
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The people in the studios
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let him act crazy
with guns and things.
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You know, that just gave him
a right to be able to do it,
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'cause nobody said anything,
"Nobody tried to stop me."
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You know,
and I'm not gonna be the one
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to try to stop nobody
with no gun.
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[Carol Connors] Phil became
out of control,
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and his bad behavior
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became even worse.
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It was almost like
he was, you know,
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rewarded for that.
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You know, the badder you are,
the more successful you are.
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You gotta remember,
his success, he was very young.
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Very young, you know?
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And he had a lot
of emotional issues
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and, you know, things--
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psychological issues and things
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that I guess started to fester
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and got worse.
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I was a teenager
hitchhiking to Hollywood,
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and I went to Gold Star.
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Somebody told me about
sneaking in the back door
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in the alley.
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I'd sit on whatever sessions
I was allowed to,
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and I ended up witnessing
these Phil Spector sessions.
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Phil was producing a record,
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and Dave Gold, one of the owners
of Gold Star, was the engineer.
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And I see Dave Gold punch in,
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and then I see this look
on his face
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that was like
this look of horror.
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And he looks at Phil
and he says, "Phil,"
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he says,
"I just erased a track."
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Phil said, "What?"
"Yeah, I just erased the choir."
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Now, the choir was the most
expensive session,
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because you got 20 people
getting paid scale,
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you know what I mean,
it's like, pfft.
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Phil has this incredulous look
on his face,
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and then he just dives
under the console.
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He gets into like
a fetal position,
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and he's under there sobbing,
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like vocally, like,
you know, loud.
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I mean, and I'm like...
[laughing]
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I thought, well,
this is my cue
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to leave the room,
you know what I mean?
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But later, Dave told me,
you know,
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that he stayed under there
for four hours, right?
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He wouldn't come out, right?
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He was just down there
crawled in a ball
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underneath the console sobbing.
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I saw Phil sort of break down
mentally, '64.
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[Mick] In 1964 Phil goes
to the UK for the first time.
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He makes a connection
to the Beatles.
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Of course, they were all
enormous fans
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of the Crystals,
and the Ronettes,
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and those records.
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This sort of, again,
this extraordinary moment
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in history where you've got
the Beatles, the Stones,
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the Ronettes,
and Phil Spector
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all together in this sort of
melting pot.
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[Nedra] We were in England,
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and so we've got
this big-time producer.
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And he came over
looking nervous and anxious,
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speaking in
a false voice,
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like, up-in-the-air voice.
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And people were saying,
"What's up with him?"
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This is our producer.
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He's cracked up
in some way.
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There's almost a sort of sense
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of some sort of transfer
of power going on here.
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Phil actually flies back
to New York
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on the same plane
as the Beatles,
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and this seems very powerfully
symbolic somehow.
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And there's some rather poignant
photographs, film,
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of the Beatles
coming down the stairs
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from the steps
on the aircraft,
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being greeted by sort of
screaming hordes of fans
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over in the terminal.
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And then, stumbling
along behind,
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anonymous and overlooked,
is the figure of Phil Spector
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in this sort of Beatle camp.
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Phil at that point realizes
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that the writing is on
the wall, as it were,
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for the wall of sound.
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But he's at something
of a loss to know
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quite what to do about this,
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and quite where
he should be going with this.
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And there's these two singers
called the Righteous Brothers,
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fantastic voices,
terrific voices.
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And Phil saw them
and saw something in them,
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and wanted to record them.
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Phil was very excited because
he knew how great they were,
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and he appreciated them
very much,
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especially in the beginning.
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You never close your eyes
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[Mick] He realizes that
he needs a fantastic song
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to launch
the Righteous Brothers with.
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And they come up with
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"You've Lost That
Lovin' Feelin'."
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So don't, don't...
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And it becomes
his biggest record,
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certainly since "He's a Rebel,"
you know, four years earlier,
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and really gives him this second
lease of life, really.
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Baby, baby,
baby, baby
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[Phil] It surpassed
"Yesterday,"
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it surpassed "Always"
by Irving Berlin.
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It surpassed everything.
It's won every award.
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This song
is the most played song
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in the history of music.
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"You've Lost
That Lovin' Feelin'."
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Bring back
that loving feeling
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Whoa, that loving feeling
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Bring back
that loving feeling
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[Mick] And it's around this time
as well that we begin
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to see Phil appear on television
talk shows and things.
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Look, I'm ordering
100,000 records,
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and that's just the beginning.
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Excuse me,
are you Mr. Phil Spector?
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Look, it's been
a real bad day.
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Would you come back in April?
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[Mick] And then Phil made this
rather extraordinary appearance
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in "Easy Rider" with Peter Fonda
and Dennis Hopper.
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At this point Phil is becoming
a celebrity in his own right.
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The character of Phil Spector
begins to grow.
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No other producer
in the record business
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has this ever happened to,
and it's likely
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that no other producer
in the record business
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will this ever happen to,
and so in that sense,
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he reached the absolute,
absolute summit.
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But I think, you know,
this was to some detriment
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to his mental well-being.
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And you know, success didn't sit
well with him, really.
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[Phil] You're never gonna
be successful
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if people don't hate you,
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and that's what everybody
hates about me.
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If you come down
to what really people
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hate about Phil Spector,
is he's--
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he controls everything,
and that's too fucking bad.
295
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But 40 years later
you're still singing
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the same fucking songs
you were 40 years ago.
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How 'bout that?
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Phil has dominated
the American record scene
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through 1963
up to 1964.
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But you get the sense
that he really needs
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to reinvent himself
in some way.
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He wanted the next
Phil Spector record.
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[cheers and applause]
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Now, let's go with
Ike and Tina Turner!
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[cheers and applause]
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[Phil] I went to see her,
and the show was mesmerizing.
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And I said gosh, if I could make
a number-one record with her,
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she could go on and sell--
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she could go to Las Vegas,
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she could break
the color barrier.
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She could really--
they could really do it.
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Phil, who idolized
soulful voices,
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idolized Black voices,
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and was just completely
blown away by Tina Turner
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and wanted to record her.
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The only obstacle to doing this
was Ike Turner,
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who, if Phil Spector
was proprietorial
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of his wife and girlfriends,
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Ike Turner was even more
proprietorial.
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They were inseparable as a unit,
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and Ike had a bit
of a reputation
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for being a tough guy,
and a guy that carried guns
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and didn't tolerate
much nonsense.
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And so, Phil had the task
of going to see Ike Turner
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to try and persuade him
to let him record his wife.
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[Ike] And would I agree
to let him do it
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the way he wanted to do it
without any interference.
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I said, man,
with your reputation,
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you know, why should
I interfere?
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You know, like, if you think
you can do it, take the shot.
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I agreed to let him
have full control of it,
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and then I agreed to let--
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Tina would go to his house
daily for rehearsals.
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[Mick] Phil came up with a song
335
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called "River Deep
Mountain High."
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When I was a little girl,
I had a rag doll
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The only doll
I've ever owned
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The energy of it,
it just surged in here.
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You know, it was so big,
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and my voice sounded
so different, you know,
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standing on top
of all that music.
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We were impressed,
Ike and myself.
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Let me say
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It gets higher
day by day
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And do I love you,
my, oh my
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Yeah, river deep
mountain high
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Yeah, yeah, yeah
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[Mick] And here,
you had at that time
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the greatest female soul singer,
Tina Turner.
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You had the greatest
songwriters of the moment,
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so you had the greatest
record producer, Phil Spector.
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It couldn't fail.
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Oh
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"River Deep Mountain High"
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was an international success,
356
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but not here.
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[Mick] Were you devastated
when...
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-[Phil] "River Deep"?
-[Mick] Yeah.
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[Phil] The Beatles
came out publicly and said
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it was the greatest record
they had ever heard,
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so it became
number one in England.
362
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I took out ads in America
which hurt me very badly
363
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with the American radio.
364
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Benedict Arnold was right.
365
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[Mick] I don't understand
the significance.
366
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[Phil] Benedict Arnold
was a traitor to the American.
367
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He joined with
the English forces
368
00:16:26,068 --> 00:16:27,898
-against George Washington.
-Oh, okay.
369
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[Phil] Nasty remarks I made.
But I was pissed.
370
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More than anything,
I was angry.
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Phil went crazy.
He was really upset.
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And he took revenge.
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You know, I can't say it was
rational thinking here,
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but the revenge he took was,
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"I'm not gonna make
any more records."
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[Mick] It seems an awful lot
has been crammed
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into this period,
but in four years, you know,
378
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Phil has gone from
kind of anonymity
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to becoming the most
successful record producer
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in rock and roll.
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Very poignantly,
it's also this period
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in which Lana Clarkson is born.
383
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[Donna Clarkson]
Lana was my first born.
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We always knew
she was going to be special.
385
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This is Lana and her dad.
386
00:17:19,663 --> 00:17:22,043
Well, she looks like
she's about two in this picture.
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00:17:22,082 --> 00:17:24,422
In those years
she was already theatrical.
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00:17:24,460 --> 00:17:26,250
She had all these
nursery rhymes,
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00:17:26,295 --> 00:17:27,495
you know, memorized,
390
00:17:27,546 --> 00:17:29,546
and she would perform
for me all the time.
391
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I remember some old home videos
that a friend had from a party,
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and everyone had costumes on.
393
00:17:36,972 --> 00:17:38,682
And when she came in
with her costume,
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she did the whole entrance.
395
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You know, she was,
like, right there
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with the whole performing thing,
397
00:17:43,228 --> 00:17:46,188
and she was probably
only 11 or 12, you know,
398
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so that was kind of a sign
right there.
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00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:53,953
When her dad passed away,
she-- Lana was 16.
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He had had a mining accident,
401
00:17:58,202 --> 00:18:00,162
and the sprinkler system
was clogged.
402
00:18:00,204 --> 00:18:02,624
So, he had gotten up
to try to unclog the system,
403
00:18:02,664 --> 00:18:04,544
and all of a sudden
it just gave him
404
00:18:04,583 --> 00:18:06,923
this lethal dose of cyanide.
405
00:18:07,836 --> 00:18:09,956
So, he passed away at 34.
406
00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:13,678
It was a very difficult time
for everyone.
407
00:18:13,717 --> 00:18:16,007
But Lana, you know,
she-- we persevered
408
00:18:16,053 --> 00:18:19,103
through many things,
and I guess being very close
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00:18:19,139 --> 00:18:21,849
as a family, we always
supported each other
410
00:18:21,892 --> 00:18:24,602
and helped each other
in every way that we could.
411
00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:28,145
So, as a single mother
with three children,
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we had come down
to Los Angeles.
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Lana had convinced me that,
you know, she would help out,
414
00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:36,529
and she could get a job
if I let her
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00:18:36,573 --> 00:18:38,663
get out of high school early.
416
00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:40,700
Lana wanted to model
at the time.
417
00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:42,504
She was only 16.
418
00:18:43,914 --> 00:18:46,004
I decided to move
back up to the Napa Valley,
419
00:18:46,041 --> 00:18:49,131
so she stayed down here
and started working.
420
00:18:52,214 --> 00:18:54,264
Lana was always
very independent.
421
00:18:54,299 --> 00:18:56,049
Even when-- in that picture
I showed you
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where she was two years old,
423
00:18:57,636 --> 00:18:59,136
she said,
"Mom, I'm independent."
424
00:18:59,179 --> 00:19:01,389
And I remember asking her,
"What does independent mean?"
425
00:19:01,431 --> 00:19:03,231
And she goes-- she put her hand
on her hip and she goes,
426
00:19:03,267 --> 00:19:05,767
"It means I'd rather
do it myself."
427
00:19:06,395 --> 00:19:09,855
I didn't really have any qualms
about her staying and working.
428
00:19:09,898 --> 00:19:11,278
She was very smart,
429
00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:13,686
and she was able
to handle herself quite well.
430
00:19:16,947 --> 00:19:18,777
ROB: I'm a unique person
in this story
431
00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:20,034
because I knew both people.
432
00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:22,825
I mean, I don't know anybody
that knew both people.
433
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:25,160
I did know Phil Spector
and Lana Clarkson.
434
00:19:25,205 --> 00:19:27,245
I went out with her
a little bit,
435
00:19:27,291 --> 00:19:30,091
but we just became
really, really close friends.
436
00:19:30,127 --> 00:19:33,547
Lana, she was kinda like
one of these young,
437
00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:36,219
really energetic,
optimistic girls.
438
00:19:36,258 --> 00:19:40,598
Lana is one of the tallest
people you've ever met.
439
00:19:40,637 --> 00:19:43,057
She was just a giant presence.
440
00:19:43,098 --> 00:19:44,768
She was so full of life,
441
00:19:44,808 --> 00:19:47,098
and she sparkled,
and that was Lana.
442
00:19:47,144 --> 00:19:49,864
You just-- you couldn't
miss her, that's for sure.
443
00:19:49,897 --> 00:19:52,477
She'd always say, "Sunny,
I'm gonna be famous one day.
444
00:19:52,524 --> 00:19:55,694
You should take my picture,"
like, that was, like...
445
00:19:55,736 --> 00:19:58,816
till her dying day,
we were always shooting,
446
00:19:58,864 --> 00:20:01,624
and she was always trying
to get me to shoot something.
447
00:20:01,658 --> 00:20:02,868
She had an idea.
448
00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:05,580
She was probably 19, 20 when
she finally went to Europe.
449
00:20:05,621 --> 00:20:07,661
This is "Sposabella."
450
00:20:07,706 --> 00:20:10,706
This is a Italian wedding book.
451
00:20:10,751 --> 00:20:12,711
And you can see,
her layout is one of the first.
452
00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:16,343
So, here she is.
Very beautiful layout.
453
00:20:16,381 --> 00:20:19,051
[Alan Thicke] Is it true what
they say about Italian men
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being as aggressive
on the streets as we...
455
00:20:20,969 --> 00:20:22,389
Oh, absolutely,
they're the worst.
456
00:20:22,429 --> 00:20:24,009
I mean, I love them,
don't get me wrong,
457
00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:25,056
they're wonderful.
458
00:20:25,098 --> 00:20:26,388
But let's see,
last year on my birthday
459
00:20:26,433 --> 00:20:29,443
I was walking down the street,
and a young boy about age 17
460
00:20:29,478 --> 00:20:31,688
came behind me on a bicycle
and pinched my rear.
461
00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:33,270
So, I turned around
and knocked him over.
462
00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:34,725
But he pulled me down
on top of him
463
00:20:34,775 --> 00:20:36,185
and started punching me
and beating on me.
464
00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:37,895
I saw red,
so I beat him up,
465
00:20:37,945 --> 00:20:39,105
and sort of picked up
the bicycle.
466
00:20:39,154 --> 00:20:41,744
You know, the adrenaline,
one hand, threw it at him.
467
00:20:41,782 --> 00:20:43,742
Crashed him,
storefront window,
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00:20:43,784 --> 00:20:45,494
gelateria, you know,
the whole thing.
469
00:20:45,535 --> 00:20:46,325
It was terrible.
470
00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:47,790
[Alan] So, I guess
there's a moral in that.
471
00:20:47,829 --> 00:20:51,879
Don't be biking by Lana
and pinching herself.
472
00:20:51,917 --> 00:20:54,797
-Absolutely not.
-[laughter]
473
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[Rob] Through a number of years,
going back to like 1967 or '68,
474
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Phil was just kinda resting
on his laurels
475
00:21:03,345 --> 00:21:05,845
and just had enough money,
and like, could live
476
00:21:05,889 --> 00:21:08,479
and be a hermit.
477
00:21:08,517 --> 00:21:12,477
He was kind of inconsequential
in the music business.
478
00:21:12,521 --> 00:21:14,481
But, of course, you know,
479
00:21:14,523 --> 00:21:16,693
the Beatles were the biggest
thing on Earth,
480
00:21:16,733 --> 00:21:18,283
and so that interested him.
481
00:21:18,318 --> 00:21:21,198
And the Beatles at that point
had recorded their--
482
00:21:21,238 --> 00:21:23,448
what would be their final album,
"Let it Be."
483
00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:28,157
So, the Beatles were looking for
someone to salvage this project,
484
00:21:28,203 --> 00:21:31,873
and so they brought in
Phil Spector to take this on.
485
00:21:31,915 --> 00:21:34,035
Spector produced
this sort of strange mixture
486
00:21:34,084 --> 00:21:36,094
of the Beatles
meet the wall of sound.
487
00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:38,418
Of course, the album
then gets a Grammy,
488
00:21:38,463 --> 00:21:41,173
and Phil Spector could say
that he produced
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00:21:41,216 --> 00:21:43,256
the Beatles' final album.
490
00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:45,602
He went on to produce
more albums with John Lennon,
491
00:21:45,637 --> 00:21:49,177
including, of course, the album
that produces the song
492
00:21:49,224 --> 00:21:52,444
which everybody knows
John Lennon by, "Imagine."
493
00:21:52,477 --> 00:21:53,937
[Mick] Why did you
and John get on?
494
00:21:53,979 --> 00:21:55,729
[Phil] We just loved each other.
495
00:21:55,772 --> 00:21:56,942
A perfect marriage.
496
00:21:56,982 --> 00:21:58,282
[Mick] What did you
like about him?
497
00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:00,027
[Phil] Oh, I just loved him.
498
00:22:00,068 --> 00:22:02,988
And we just loved
each other.
499
00:22:03,030 --> 00:22:05,910
He loved the way I worked,
he loved the way I thought,
500
00:22:05,949 --> 00:22:10,909
he loved the-- he was just like
a brother I never had.
501
00:22:10,954 --> 00:22:12,754
[John Lennon] Great working
with you, Phil.
502
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:14,249
Really great.
503
00:22:14,291 --> 00:22:16,251
I've worked with a lot
of cats in my time.
504
00:22:16,293 --> 00:22:18,843
Honestly,
it's really great, sincerely.
505
00:22:18,879 --> 00:22:22,339
Brilliant.
[muttering]
506
00:22:22,382 --> 00:22:24,222
-Okay.
-[Phil] Next tune.
507
00:22:24,259 --> 00:22:27,429
[Mick] Spector served
Lennon's songs
508
00:22:27,471 --> 00:22:30,391
and served the music on
those two albums brilliantly.
509
00:22:30,432 --> 00:22:33,522
But by this point
we can see that Phil
510
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,230
is drinking heavily.
511
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:38,570
It begins to impair
his faculties as a producer,
512
00:22:38,607 --> 00:22:40,727
and his concentration.
513
00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:42,106
And there are stories of,
you know,
514
00:22:42,152 --> 00:22:44,532
Phil being in the studio,
being slightly out of control
515
00:22:44,571 --> 00:22:46,911
and slightly more drunk than
he should have been,
516
00:22:46,948 --> 00:22:49,278
and slightly more eccentric
than he should have been.
517
00:22:49,326 --> 00:22:52,366
And then as if to pour
more petrol onto the flames,
518
00:22:52,412 --> 00:22:55,172
John Lennon has been going
through a difficult time
519
00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:56,417
with Yoko Ono.
520
00:22:56,458 --> 00:22:59,418
And so, the plan is that
they're gonna record an album
521
00:22:59,461 --> 00:23:02,381
of rock and roll classics
together.
522
00:23:02,422 --> 00:23:05,222
It soon becomes apparent
that these sessions
523
00:23:05,258 --> 00:23:06,508
are getting out of hand.
524
00:23:06,551 --> 00:23:09,681
[Don] They would get very drunk,
both of them.
525
00:23:10,639 --> 00:23:13,019
So, that made it almost
impossible, you know.
526
00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:16,228
It's like two giants
who don't give a shit.
527
00:23:16,937 --> 00:23:18,397
[Mick] Phil, of course,
during the time
528
00:23:18,438 --> 00:23:20,358
that he was recording
the rock and roll album,
529
00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:24,859
he'd actually pulled a gun,
not threatening John Lennon,
530
00:23:24,903 --> 00:23:27,073
but he'd pulled a gun,
brandished a gun,
531
00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:29,914
and fired a shot
into the ceiling.
532
00:23:30,992 --> 00:23:34,962
John Lennon naturally assumed
that it was blanks,
533
00:23:34,996 --> 00:23:36,286
and Lennon said, you know,
534
00:23:36,331 --> 00:23:38,961
"You're trying to damage
me ears, Phil!"
535
00:23:40,335 --> 00:23:42,955
And it was only the next morning
when somebody came along
536
00:23:43,004 --> 00:23:44,844
and explained that they'd
prized the bullet
537
00:23:44,881 --> 00:23:47,301
out of the ceiling
of the studio
538
00:23:47,342 --> 00:23:49,392
that they realized that this
was actually live rounds
539
00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:51,348
that he was carrying around.
540
00:23:51,388 --> 00:23:54,428
At this point Phil is deep
into his relationship
541
00:23:54,474 --> 00:23:57,064
with the lead singer
of the Ronettes, Ronnie.
542
00:23:57,102 --> 00:23:58,562
I was so in love, I...
543
00:23:58,603 --> 00:24:01,023
Even though-- listen to this,
I read, someone described him
544
00:24:01,064 --> 00:24:03,154
as "a body and pallor
of a veal filet."
545
00:24:03,191 --> 00:24:04,991
I'm thinking, that's not
an attractive thing to say.
546
00:24:05,026 --> 00:24:06,356
But for you,
he was your husband.
547
00:24:06,403 --> 00:24:07,573
-Oh.
-A man you were madly
548
00:24:07,612 --> 00:24:09,492
-in love with.
-I was madly in love.
549
00:24:09,531 --> 00:24:12,411
I was in awe
of his writing, of his...
550
00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:14,451
-He's a talented guy.
-Yes, of his producing.
551
00:24:14,494 --> 00:24:15,954
You can't take that
away from him.
552
00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:17,286
Of everything.
I was in love
553
00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:20,130
with just the way he was
in the studio with the--
554
00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:22,287
telling the musicians
what to do.
555
00:24:22,335 --> 00:24:24,165
He did have great energy.
556
00:24:24,212 --> 00:24:27,092
He'd make you laugh,
he'd say-- make some comment.
557
00:24:27,132 --> 00:24:29,382
And then, you know,
later in the party,
558
00:24:29,426 --> 00:24:31,756
he'd be sitting there with four
or five people around him
559
00:24:31,803 --> 00:24:33,103
and he'd be telling stories,
560
00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:37,348
and he was very magnetic,
kind of, you know.
561
00:24:37,392 --> 00:24:39,482
I mean, he didn't
come on strong,
562
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:42,439
but he was really into--
he had kind of a soft voice.
563
00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:45,481
You'd kinda listen, and he said
very interesting things.
564
00:24:45,525 --> 00:24:47,435
The Ronettes are broken up
by this point,
565
00:24:47,486 --> 00:24:51,906
and the relationship between
Spector and Ronnie solidifies,
566
00:24:51,948 --> 00:24:54,078
and then they do indeed
get married.
567
00:24:54,117 --> 00:24:56,287
Ronnie, of course,
when Phil goes into retirement,
568
00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:59,328
is expecting that he's gonna be
devoting a lot of time to her
569
00:24:59,372 --> 00:25:01,832
and devoting a lot of time
to building her career.
570
00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:03,665
But that-- that doesn't happen.
571
00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:06,300
Here's a man
that owned the record company,
572
00:25:06,338 --> 00:25:08,508
wrote all my songs
and produced all my songs.
573
00:25:08,548 --> 00:25:10,548
How would I ever think
that he was gonna, like,
574
00:25:10,592 --> 00:25:13,052
just retire two months
after we got married?
575
00:25:13,094 --> 00:25:15,104
We moved into
a 23-room mansion,
576
00:25:15,138 --> 00:25:17,308
and it was like I was taken
away from everything,
577
00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:20,939
'cause I was brought up around
family, people, liveliness.
578
00:25:20,977 --> 00:25:22,227
Then all of a sudden,
I got married,
579
00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:23,770
it was like... darkness.
580
00:25:23,813 --> 00:25:26,273
And Phil had to have
everything dark in the house.
581
00:25:26,316 --> 00:25:27,816
I mean,
there was no rock and roll.
582
00:25:27,859 --> 00:25:30,149
I was no longer called Ronnie.
583
00:25:30,195 --> 00:25:32,275
I was called--
he called me Veronica
584
00:25:32,322 --> 00:25:34,162
and the servants
called me Mrs. Spector.
585
00:25:34,199 --> 00:25:37,409
So, I believe he did that
subconsciously just to--
586
00:25:37,452 --> 00:25:39,162
so I wouldn't be thinking
of the Ronettes
587
00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:40,464
and people would call me Ronnie.
588
00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:42,457
And that's when
he went into a recluse.
589
00:25:42,499 --> 00:25:44,709
And so, when he went
into recluse, I went.
590
00:25:44,751 --> 00:25:46,421
[laughing]
You see?
591
00:25:54,594 --> 00:25:57,394
[Mick] She's allowed out
sort of periodically.
592
00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:01,643
But at the same time,
he puts this sort of inflatable
593
00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:05,935
plastic figure of a man in
the passenger seat beside her...
594
00:26:09,442 --> 00:26:12,112
so that if she goes out,
people will think
595
00:26:12,153 --> 00:26:14,453
she's with somebody,
so nobody's gonna hit on her.
596
00:26:14,489 --> 00:26:16,119
Ronnie, you would drive
with that thing in the car?
597
00:26:16,157 --> 00:26:17,157
-Yes, I would.
-Why?
598
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,950
Gayle, I would have
done anything
599
00:26:18,994 --> 00:26:20,664
to get out of the house.
600
00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:23,584
So, the only way to get out
was with the inflatable man,
601
00:26:23,623 --> 00:26:26,083
and it was better
than not going out at all.
602
00:26:28,545 --> 00:26:31,085
And then, of course,
in order to sort of...
603
00:26:32,132 --> 00:26:33,552
in order to build
his sort of idea
604
00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:36,852
of what a family should be,
what a marriage should be,
605
00:26:36,886 --> 00:26:38,466
he decides they need children.
606
00:26:38,513 --> 00:26:42,603
So, he brings home a baby,
Donte, who's an adopted son.
607
00:26:42,642 --> 00:26:46,862
Well, Ronnie held to that
Donte was hers for a while.
608
00:26:46,896 --> 00:26:48,226
If Ronnie said she's pregnant,
609
00:26:48,273 --> 00:26:51,283
what-- why shouldn't
I believe she's pregnant?
610
00:26:51,318 --> 00:26:53,738
She's gonna have a baby, and...
611
00:26:53,778 --> 00:26:56,448
then years later,
"Oh, I didn't have him.
612
00:26:56,489 --> 00:26:58,239
He got him for me."
613
00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:01,703
You don't get kids
for a gift.
614
00:27:01,745 --> 00:27:04,365
Now, the twins were a little bit
of a different story.
615
00:27:04,414 --> 00:27:06,214
Then, I think
she was mad at him,
616
00:27:06,249 --> 00:27:09,839
because she was like,
"He gave me them for Christmas."
617
00:27:11,379 --> 00:27:14,759
Like somebody gave you a puppy,
two puppies.
618
00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:19,014
This is not normal.
This is not normal.
619
00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:25,765
[Mick] Phil tries to keep her
away from everybody else.
620
00:27:28,063 --> 00:27:30,943
She's in a pretty
despairing state.
621
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,950
And she finally decides
that she has to escape.
622
00:27:37,155 --> 00:27:39,195
She had her mom with her.
623
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,990
That probably gave her
the courage.
624
00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:46,043
He took her shoes.
625
00:27:46,081 --> 00:27:47,421
They escaped that way,
626
00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:50,787
and she was running barefoot
from Phil.
627
00:27:53,254 --> 00:27:56,974
I don't know how far she went,
how she went,
628
00:27:57,008 --> 00:27:59,178
but I know she left barefoot.
629
00:28:05,517 --> 00:28:06,687
[Mick] I mean, this was the--
630
00:28:06,726 --> 00:28:08,516
I mean, it was completely
unreasonable behavior,
631
00:28:08,561 --> 00:28:10,271
completely irrational behavior.
632
00:28:10,313 --> 00:28:13,113
Insane behavior.
Insane behavior.
633
00:28:13,149 --> 00:28:15,069
So, I think
she was very relieved
634
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:16,610
to get out of that.
635
00:28:16,653 --> 00:28:20,243
All the situations that you
usually hear about with Phil,
636
00:28:20,281 --> 00:28:21,531
he's the aggressor.
637
00:28:21,574 --> 00:28:23,914
And then there's
the Leonard Cohen story, right?
638
00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:31,080
This is their first day,
they worked together all day.
639
00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:33,496
Now it's about 6:00.
640
00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:35,335
And so, Leonard says, "You know,
641
00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:36,550
it was a kind of stressful day,"
642
00:28:36,589 --> 00:28:38,259
and whatever it was,
and I was a little tired."
643
00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:41,299
And so, they got this song,
and Phil says to Leonard,
644
00:28:41,344 --> 00:28:44,724
he says, "Go out and put
a vocal on this, will you?"
645
00:28:44,764 --> 00:28:46,474
And Leonard looks at Phil
and says...
646
00:28:46,516 --> 00:28:48,806
[clicks tongue]
"You know what, Phil,
647
00:28:48,852 --> 00:28:50,902
I'd really appreciate it
if I could do it tomorrow."
648
00:28:50,937 --> 00:28:52,517
He said, "I'm a little tired,
I don't feel like
649
00:28:52,564 --> 00:28:53,984
I could give it
what I need to give it."
650
00:28:54,023 --> 00:28:56,363
And Phil reaches in his bag
and takes out a gun,
651
00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:59,321
and just sticks it
to Leonard's head and says,
652
00:28:59,362 --> 00:29:01,872
"You're gonna go out
and sing this now."
653
00:29:01,906 --> 00:29:04,776
And it was like,
that's the first day, right?
654
00:29:04,826 --> 00:29:05,866
[scoffs]
655
00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:08,120
And they kept working together,
and I said to Leonard,
656
00:29:08,163 --> 00:29:10,123
why didn't you just say
that's it?
657
00:29:10,165 --> 00:29:11,495
He said,
"Because it was fascinating."
658
00:29:11,541 --> 00:29:13,591
He said, "There was
an electricity
659
00:29:13,626 --> 00:29:14,956
"and a chemistry,
and a thing
660
00:29:15,003 --> 00:29:17,173
that seemed worthy
of chasing down the road."
661
00:29:17,213 --> 00:29:18,633
He said, "And this
was Phil Spector,
662
00:29:18,673 --> 00:29:20,723
this wasn't just some guy,"
you know.
663
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,139
And he said, "So, I felt like
664
00:29:22,177 --> 00:29:23,967
I had to follow through
with it."
665
00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:26,773
[Mick] So, these stories
begin to multiply.
666
00:29:26,806 --> 00:29:29,676
Phil Spector, the genius,
begins to be eclipsed
667
00:29:29,726 --> 00:29:33,476
by Phil Spector, the crazy guy,
Phil Spector, the madman.
668
00:29:33,521 --> 00:29:36,611
It was a life that revolved
largely around alcohol
669
00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:40,779
and a life that revolved
around him being out of control.
670
00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:43,450
And every now and again
somebody would throw a lifeline
671
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:48,290
of, "Can you produce this,"
or "Why don't you produce that?"
672
00:29:48,328 --> 00:29:49,828
And that's what happened
673
00:29:49,871 --> 00:29:51,711
with what's essentially
his final record,
674
00:29:51,748 --> 00:29:53,998
his last hurrah,
with the Ramones.
675
00:29:55,001 --> 00:29:59,711
[Phil] In 1980, Joey Ramone
came to me, rest his soul,
676
00:29:59,756 --> 00:30:02,506
and said,
"Phil, would you produce us?"
677
00:30:02,550 --> 00:30:06,430
He was like a-- a big fan,
678
00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:08,931
and he idolized me
and all that.
679
00:30:08,973 --> 00:30:11,273
And I said, you know,
it might be fun
680
00:30:11,309 --> 00:30:14,649
to produce a punk rock group.
681
00:30:14,687 --> 00:30:17,437
[Mick] I think Phil's role
and perception
682
00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:19,032
of what the producer should be
683
00:30:19,067 --> 00:30:22,527
very quickly had become
a thing of the past.
684
00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:25,570
He really was very, very slow
to pick up on the idea
685
00:30:25,615 --> 00:30:28,615
that he was there
to facilitate the artist,
686
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:33,330
and wanted to impose himself
on the Ramones.
687
00:30:35,124 --> 00:30:40,214
Well, working with Phil
is very difficult, because...
688
00:30:40,964 --> 00:30:42,514
[sighs]
I guess he's a perfectionist,
689
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:44,179
so he likes to spend
a lot of time
690
00:30:44,217 --> 00:30:46,087
redoing things
and relistening,
691
00:30:46,135 --> 00:30:47,925
and it's very time-consuming.
692
00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:50,681
It comes very hard for--
I mean, rock and roll
693
00:30:50,723 --> 00:30:53,433
has gotta be spontaneous
and done a little faster.
694
00:30:53,476 --> 00:30:54,476
[Mick] They came up with a song
695
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,229
called "Rock 'N' Roll
High School."
696
00:30:56,271 --> 00:30:57,771
[school bell ringing]
697
00:30:57,814 --> 00:31:00,234
Rock, rock, rock, rock,
rock and roll high school
698
00:31:00,275 --> 00:31:02,935
Rock, rock, rock, rock, rock
and roll high school
699
00:31:02,986 --> 00:31:07,316
It was a hit, but I think
Phil's satisfaction from it
700
00:31:07,365 --> 00:31:09,485
was very limited.
701
00:31:09,534 --> 00:31:10,914
[explosion]
702
00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:14,542
Phil seems to be
frustrated with us.
703
00:31:14,581 --> 00:31:16,461
I think he's frustrated
with himself, really.
704
00:31:16,499 --> 00:31:18,629
The Ramones thing
was not a piece of cake.
705
00:31:18,668 --> 00:31:20,878
I mean, that was a nasty project
in a lot of ways.
706
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,210
They had a lot
of trouble with him.
707
00:31:22,255 --> 00:31:25,795
That was a big factor in Phil
sort of throwing in his hand
708
00:31:25,842 --> 00:31:29,052
as a-- in the record business
and saying, "That's it.
709
00:31:29,095 --> 00:31:31,845
"You know, I'm gonna walk away
from that.
710
00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:33,430
"I've made a record
that's been a hit.
711
00:31:33,474 --> 00:31:36,604
"I don't know where I'm gonna go
now in the studio.
712
00:31:36,644 --> 00:31:38,564
"I don't know where
I'm gonna go as a producer.
713
00:31:38,605 --> 00:31:40,725
Maybe I'm finished
as a producer."
714
00:31:40,773 --> 00:31:43,653
He seemed like a man
walking his last mile
715
00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:47,203
doing our record, you know,
that grim.
716
00:31:47,238 --> 00:31:49,868
[out-of-tune guitar playing]
717
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:54,748
You've lost that
loving feeling
718
00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:03,245
Whoa, that loving feeling
719
00:32:04,631 --> 00:32:08,011
You know, somebody once
asked me a question.
720
00:32:08,551 --> 00:32:13,061
They said, "Philip--"
excuse me, camera.
721
00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:19,772
They said, "Philip, aren't you
lonely in this big house?
722
00:32:22,482 --> 00:32:24,322
"Must be very lonely.
723
00:32:28,071 --> 00:32:31,411
"All of them rooms
to roam around in.
724
00:32:33,284 --> 00:32:36,004
Damn, it must be lonely."
725
00:32:39,374 --> 00:32:41,504
And you know what I said?
726
00:32:42,377 --> 00:32:44,837
You ever live in one room?
727
00:32:46,255 --> 00:32:48,715
Very lonely.
728
00:32:48,758 --> 00:32:53,348
Just you and the bathroom,
and you and the sink,
729
00:32:53,388 --> 00:32:54,848
you and the toilet.
730
00:32:54,889 --> 00:32:57,809
Loneliness
is a state of mind.
731
00:32:58,726 --> 00:33:00,766
He didn't want you to go home
at the end of the night.
732
00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:02,022
He was lonely.
733
00:33:02,063 --> 00:33:05,653
So, you had to be prepared
for that.
734
00:33:05,692 --> 00:33:06,942
I certainly remember one night,
735
00:33:06,985 --> 00:33:10,105
and we were at one of his
favorite hamburger places
736
00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:11,574
on the east side.
737
00:33:11,614 --> 00:33:13,374
It's about 3:00
in the morning.
738
00:33:13,408 --> 00:33:14,908
I said,
"Phil, I gotta go home."
739
00:33:14,951 --> 00:33:17,661
He said, "Don't you know,
you're not going anywhere."
740
00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:21,714
I said, "I got--
I gotta work in the morning."
741
00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:23,499
You know, he didn't like
people to leave.
742
00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:25,463
He didn't like
the chemistry to change.
743
00:33:25,503 --> 00:33:27,553
I got an inkling of that
744
00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:31,628
when I was kind of a prisoner
in a bar.
745
00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:34,136
We were all singing
"Irene, Goodnight,"
746
00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:36,888
and I said, "I gotta drive
my kid to school
747
00:33:36,931 --> 00:33:38,521
in a couple hours."
748
00:33:38,558 --> 00:33:39,928
And he said, "No, no,
don't leave.
749
00:33:39,976 --> 00:33:42,016
You know, you'll change
the chemistry of the singing."
750
00:33:42,061 --> 00:33:44,441
I mean, I had to pretend
to go to the men's room
751
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,860
and sneak out the back door
752
00:33:45,898 --> 00:33:48,068
'cause it was getting
light out, you know.
753
00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:52,529
But I-- boy, I thought,
wow, he's serious about it.
754
00:33:54,115 --> 00:33:58,575
We'd interviewed Phil
for "All You Need is Love."
755
00:33:58,619 --> 00:34:01,369
I mean, we'd finished talking.
756
00:34:01,414 --> 00:34:02,924
He didn't want us
to go anywhere.
757
00:34:02,957 --> 00:34:04,667
I said, "Well, we have to go,
758
00:34:04,709 --> 00:34:06,709
because tomorrow morning,
we've got-- 8:00,"
759
00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:08,843
blah-blah-blah,
usual things.
760
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,340
And he was doing his best
to detain us,
761
00:34:12,383 --> 00:34:15,263
and said, "Well, would you like
to do another interview?"
762
00:34:15,303 --> 00:34:16,353
No.
763
00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:18,347
He didn't want us to leave.
764
00:34:26,814 --> 00:34:29,234
[Paul] Over the course
of the investigation,
765
00:34:29,275 --> 00:34:32,235
we learned that Phil Spector
really enjoyed
766
00:34:32,278 --> 00:34:35,108
bringing people to his home
and locking them inside.
767
00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:36,906
And this came
from multiple sources.
768
00:34:36,949 --> 00:34:39,829
This came from actual people
that were locked in.
769
00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:42,459
This came from--
his regular limo driver
770
00:34:42,497 --> 00:34:43,827
would say he would have
to come in
771
00:34:43,873 --> 00:34:45,083
and basically rescue them,
772
00:34:45,124 --> 00:34:47,884
sometimes open windows
so they could get out.
773
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,799
He had some sort
of configuration
774
00:34:49,837 --> 00:34:53,007
where he had one door
that you would walk in,
775
00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:55,889
that would lock,
and then a second door area,
776
00:34:55,927 --> 00:34:57,717
kinda like the jails we have,
777
00:34:57,762 --> 00:35:00,432
and people would not
be able to get out.
778
00:35:04,143 --> 00:35:07,523
As an investigator,
we are absolutely looking
779
00:35:07,563 --> 00:35:10,733
to the victim
and take detailed notes
780
00:35:10,775 --> 00:35:12,855
as to the position she's in.
781
00:35:12,902 --> 00:35:15,782
Lana Clarkson was lying
in the chair
782
00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:17,242
in that foyer area.
783
00:35:17,281 --> 00:35:20,241
She had a purse
slung over her shoulder.
784
00:35:20,284 --> 00:35:23,044
Why was she in
that particular position?
785
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:24,789
I mean, that leads you
to believe
786
00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:27,001
someone's in a position
where they wanna leave already.
787
00:35:27,041 --> 00:35:31,751
Her butt basically was scooched
to the very edge of the chair.
788
00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:34,836
Her feet were completely
out in front of her,
789
00:35:34,882 --> 00:35:36,682
and she was lying back.
790
00:35:36,717 --> 00:35:38,847
It was determined
that the gunshot wound
791
00:35:38,886 --> 00:35:42,676
was such that she wouldn't have
been able to move
792
00:35:42,723 --> 00:35:45,483
after sustaining
that gunshot wound.
793
00:35:50,064 --> 00:35:52,074
[Mick] Phil saw himself
as the figure
794
00:35:52,108 --> 00:35:55,148
that the record business
turned their backs on.
795
00:35:56,362 --> 00:35:58,662
And then, of course,
he certainly saw himself
796
00:35:58,698 --> 00:36:01,238
as the martyr in the murder
of Lana Clarkson.
797
00:36:01,284 --> 00:36:03,244
He sort of thought
that he was being
798
00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:07,326
sort of victimized in some way
for being Phil Spector.
799
00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:10,963
The actions of the Hitler-like
district attorney
800
00:36:11,002 --> 00:36:13,212
and his storm-trooping henchmen
801
00:36:13,254 --> 00:36:15,344
to seek an indictment
against me
802
00:36:15,381 --> 00:36:18,591
and censor all means
of me getting my evidence
803
00:36:18,634 --> 00:36:21,104
and the truth out
are reprehensible,
804
00:36:21,137 --> 00:36:23,257
unconscionable,
and despicable.
805
00:36:23,306 --> 00:36:25,766
He was making comments
to the media
806
00:36:25,808 --> 00:36:28,598
such as, "She killed herself.
807
00:36:28,644 --> 00:36:29,774
"Who does she think she is?
808
00:36:29,812 --> 00:36:31,862
Why would she do that
in my house?"
809
00:36:31,898 --> 00:36:34,358
No crime
was committed at my home
810
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,360
on February 3rd, 2003,
811
00:36:36,402 --> 00:36:38,992
and the public
will find that out as well,
812
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:40,320
and that this district attorney
813
00:36:40,364 --> 00:36:44,044
is pursuing a personal vendetta
without evidence.
814
00:36:44,076 --> 00:36:45,286
I don't like that.
815
00:36:45,328 --> 00:36:47,368
I don't like that
you're trying the case
816
00:36:47,413 --> 00:36:48,623
outside the courtroom.
817
00:36:48,664 --> 00:36:51,044
It's not for me to explain
818
00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:55,963
why she took her life.
819
00:36:56,005 --> 00:36:57,585
It's only for me to explain
820
00:36:57,632 --> 00:36:59,342
that I had nothing
to do with it.
821
00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:01,053
When they start
talking about suicide,
822
00:37:01,093 --> 00:37:03,853
then you have to start
disproving the suicide.
823
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:06,348
You do wanna make sure
it didn't happen.
824
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,680
We have to go
through Lana Clarkson.
825
00:37:08,726 --> 00:37:11,806
We have to find out,
was she depressed?
826
00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:14,274
Has she ever done anything
to hurt herself?
827
00:37:14,315 --> 00:37:17,235
Does she own guns?
What is her usual routine?
828
00:37:17,276 --> 00:37:19,946
Who are her friends?
What did they have to offer?
829
00:37:19,987 --> 00:37:23,447
So, there was just a myriad
of things we didn't know.
830
00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:27,161
Lana was doing modeling,
and she ended up going to Italy
831
00:37:27,203 --> 00:37:29,123
and doing quite a bit
of modeling there,
832
00:37:29,163 --> 00:37:31,083
and she had a lot
of fun with that.
833
00:37:31,123 --> 00:37:33,293
And then, when she came back
after a year,
834
00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:36,634
she decided she was actually
more interested in acting.
835
00:37:36,671 --> 00:37:39,841
When we first met,
she was doing
836
00:37:39,882 --> 00:37:42,052
everything that you would do
as a young woman
837
00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:43,433
wanting to become a movie star.
838
00:37:43,469 --> 00:37:47,809
"Fast Times at Ridgemont High"
was one of those opportunities.
839
00:37:47,848 --> 00:37:51,598
Boys, I'd like you
to meet my wife, Mrs. Vargas.
840
00:37:51,644 --> 00:37:52,694
Hi.
841
00:37:52,728 --> 00:37:55,558
[Nili] She was doing
"Fantasy Island."
842
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,650
"Who's the Boss?"
843
00:38:01,904 --> 00:38:04,204
On t-shirt night,
I do everything I read.
844
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,580
[Nili] She was doing
all of these wonderful roles
845
00:38:06,617 --> 00:38:10,407
where she was the sexy
blonde bombshell that came in,
846
00:38:10,454 --> 00:38:13,294
and everybody's head turned
to see her.
847
00:38:13,332 --> 00:38:15,252
-I used to be an actress.
-Uh-huh.
848
00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:19,553
But now, I'm like,
really into justice.
849
00:38:19,588 --> 00:38:22,128
[laughter]
850
00:38:22,174 --> 00:38:25,394
Being a six-foot blonde
has pluses and negatives.
851
00:38:25,428 --> 00:38:29,428
Here she is,
this tall, gorgeous girl,
852
00:38:29,473 --> 00:38:32,563
so there's a lot of roles
that she could not play.
853
00:38:32,601 --> 00:38:35,021
So, she would get typecast.
854
00:38:35,062 --> 00:38:37,902
She couldn't help the fact
that she had these looks
855
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:39,690
and this stature.
856
00:38:40,401 --> 00:38:41,821
When you walked
in a room with her,
857
00:38:41,861 --> 00:38:43,111
everybody turned around.
858
00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:45,614
It makes life more difficult.
859
00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:47,616
She put up with a lot of shit,
860
00:38:47,658 --> 00:38:49,908
as all attractive
861
00:38:49,952 --> 00:38:53,542
young actresses did and do.
862
00:38:53,581 --> 00:38:55,831
It's sad, but emblematic
863
00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:59,045
of how that works
in Hollywood.
864
00:38:59,086 --> 00:39:02,836
She would talk about how
she would have good intent
865
00:39:02,882 --> 00:39:04,342
and she would be with somebody,
866
00:39:04,383 --> 00:39:06,973
and then all
they were interested in was sex,
867
00:39:07,011 --> 00:39:09,601
and like, she thought there was
more to the situation,
868
00:39:09,638 --> 00:39:10,968
and then got disappointed.
869
00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:12,925
And like, no, she went
through a lot of that.
870
00:39:12,975 --> 00:39:15,555
It's not the song, sweetheart,
it's the singer.
871
00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:16,443
[chuckles]
872
00:39:16,479 --> 00:39:18,939
[Rob] She was in
this whole social strata.
873
00:39:18,981 --> 00:39:21,031
I saw that,
and I discouraged it,
874
00:39:21,067 --> 00:39:22,187
and I just said, you know,
875
00:39:22,234 --> 00:39:24,244
this is gonna bite you
in the ass at some point,
876
00:39:24,278 --> 00:39:26,568
you know, so you gotta
be careful.
877
00:39:27,782 --> 00:39:30,872
[Sergio] There were times when,
you know, I could tell she--
878
00:39:30,910 --> 00:39:34,120
she was either pissed
or bummed.
879
00:39:34,622 --> 00:39:37,542
She pretty much did the water
off a duck's back thing.
880
00:39:37,583 --> 00:39:40,923
it was like, "Yeah, fine,
whatever, fuck you,
881
00:39:40,961 --> 00:39:42,961
I'll make it anyway."
882
00:39:43,005 --> 00:39:50,045
And I think that was perhaps
her most durable quality
883
00:39:50,096 --> 00:39:52,556
with regard to having
to put up with the shit
884
00:39:52,598 --> 00:39:54,598
that Hollywood engenders.
885
00:39:54,642 --> 00:39:55,852
I don't remember Lana
886
00:39:55,893 --> 00:39:58,153
discussing doing this and that
887
00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:01,767
in order to get to that place.
888
00:40:01,816 --> 00:40:03,776
We worked very hard
889
00:40:03,818 --> 00:40:06,148
and we studied,
we prepared,
890
00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:10,905
hoping to perhaps
win this lottery
891
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:13,370
that is Hollywood.
892
00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:16,121
I met Lana for the first time
893
00:40:16,163 --> 00:40:18,003
during the audition
894
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,790
for a picture
called "Deathstalker."
895
00:40:22,294 --> 00:40:26,054
Lana fit the description
perfectly.
896
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:30,260
She almost had the role
before she even auditioned.
897
00:40:30,302 --> 00:40:34,642
I saw her as she came in,
and I said that's it.
898
00:40:34,682 --> 00:40:38,142
And she turned out
to be a very good actress,
899
00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:41,765
and I was very pleased
with her performance.
900
00:40:43,732 --> 00:40:49,862
I felt we had a leading lady
who could play a female warrior,
901
00:40:49,905 --> 00:40:53,275
so I came up with
"Barbarian Queen."
902
00:40:53,325 --> 00:40:55,405
ANNOUNCER: One woman
vows revenge.
903
00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:58,253
Lana Clarkson
is the "Barbarian Queen."
904
00:40:58,289 --> 00:40:59,829
[Lana] I'll be no man's slave,
905
00:40:59,874 --> 00:41:01,044
and if I can't kill them all,
906
00:41:01,083 --> 00:41:03,043
by the gods,
they'll know I've tried.
907
00:41:03,085 --> 00:41:06,335
"Barbarian Queen"
was a solid success,
908
00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:11,390
and this was her chance
for first star billing.
909
00:41:11,427 --> 00:41:14,637
She took it very seriously.
910
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,680
Both Lana and I felt
that "Barbarian Queen"
911
00:41:18,726 --> 00:41:24,516
would be launching her
as a full-fledged star.
912
00:41:25,024 --> 00:41:28,994
Lana had a presence
that was very powerful.
913
00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:30,698
Say nothing, my child.
914
00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:34,448
There was something sympathetic
within her as well.
915
00:41:34,492 --> 00:41:38,162
The strength,
vulnerability, I would call it,
916
00:41:38,204 --> 00:41:41,004
the audience loved her.
917
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,460
But I'll make you
this one promise.
918
00:41:44,668 --> 00:41:46,798
We will win!
919
00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:49,667
[all cheering]
920
00:41:54,261 --> 00:41:55,681
[people chattering]
921
00:41:55,721 --> 00:41:58,101
[Mick] Lana Clarkson
was building her career,
922
00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:01,350
and she was a working actress
and successful actress
923
00:42:01,393 --> 00:42:03,903
at around the same time
Phil Spector was somebody
924
00:42:03,938 --> 00:42:05,648
whose star had fallen.
925
00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:10,823
And he's also devastated
when John Lennon died.
926
00:42:10,861 --> 00:42:13,161
Just after the Ramones record.
927
00:42:13,197 --> 00:42:14,657
I'm sure
that was a big factor
928
00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:17,118
in Phil sort of throwing in
his hand as a--
929
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:18,239
in the record business.
930
00:42:18,285 --> 00:42:20,075
That was the death of a friend,
death of somebody
931
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,080
that he'd loved,
and somebody that he'd admired.
932
00:42:23,123 --> 00:42:25,633
It then turned out
to be effectively the end of--
933
00:42:25,668 --> 00:42:28,838
the end of Spector's career
as a record producer,
934
00:42:28,879 --> 00:42:31,049
and he retreated, basically.
935
00:42:32,007 --> 00:42:35,387
He's becoming a more
isolated figure,
936
00:42:35,427 --> 00:42:37,467
and as such,
he's becoming a figure
937
00:42:37,513 --> 00:42:39,643
of increasing gossip
and speculation
938
00:42:39,682 --> 00:42:41,682
about his behavior,
and who he is,
939
00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:44,435
and the stories
are beginning to spread.
940
00:42:46,021 --> 00:42:48,571
[Phil] I wasn't insane,
941
00:42:48,607 --> 00:42:52,187
but I wasn't well enough
to function
942
00:42:52,236 --> 00:42:54,946
as a regular part of society.
943
00:42:54,989 --> 00:42:58,579
So, I didn't.
I chose not to.
944
00:42:58,617 --> 00:43:03,247
So, I just sort of
struggled along alone,
945
00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:08,209
and chose to not work,
946
00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:10,632
and I chose to raise
a daughter,
947
00:43:10,671 --> 00:43:14,341
and I chose to get
my life on track.
948
00:43:14,383 --> 00:43:16,643
And it took about 10 years.
949
00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:21,561
Breakthrough was recently.
Recently, only recently.
950
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,849
And I did it more because
I was determined to do it
951
00:43:24,893 --> 00:43:26,443
because of my daughter,
952
00:43:26,478 --> 00:43:28,808
'cause I wanted her
to look up to me
953
00:43:28,856 --> 00:43:33,436
and say this is what
a reasonable man is like,
954
00:43:33,485 --> 00:43:37,815
so she could have a reasonable
relationship with me.
955
00:43:39,533 --> 00:43:41,293
He did talk to me a lot
about medication.
956
00:43:41,327 --> 00:43:44,537
I mean, he never would say,
like, "Speaking of that time
957
00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:46,290
"I was in the studio,
and I acted,
958
00:43:46,332 --> 00:43:49,132
"you know, like, unhinged,
959
00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:50,458
I wasn't taking
my medication."
960
00:43:50,502 --> 00:43:54,052
You know, he didn't, like,
go into these analytical
961
00:43:54,089 --> 00:43:56,089
explorative paths about himself.
962
00:43:56,133 --> 00:43:57,593
But we did talk
about mental health
963
00:43:57,635 --> 00:44:00,635
and the importance of medication
and therapy a lot.
964
00:44:02,348 --> 00:44:06,598
He was told when he was young
that he was manic depressive.
965
00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:08,444
I don't know if that's just
the best language
966
00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:09,559
they had for it at the time,
967
00:44:09,605 --> 00:44:12,855
and later he was diagnosed
as bipolar.
968
00:44:14,985 --> 00:44:16,525
There were times in his life
969
00:44:16,570 --> 00:44:20,910
when I think he was probably
mixing his medication
970
00:44:20,949 --> 00:44:24,499
with alcohol, which you're just
not supposed to do.
971
00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:31,376
During our investigation,
a few people told us
972
00:44:31,418 --> 00:44:34,338
that from 1997 to 2002,
973
00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:37,550
Phil Spector completely
stopped drinking alcohol.
974
00:44:37,591 --> 00:44:41,601
However, it appears in 2002
he began drinking again.
975
00:44:41,637 --> 00:44:42,807
Now, why was this a concern?
976
00:44:42,846 --> 00:44:46,226
Phil Spector had been under
doctor's care
977
00:44:46,266 --> 00:44:47,636
and prescribed medication.
978
00:44:48,936 --> 00:44:53,976
[Paul] We recovered a ton
of drugs at the house--
979
00:44:54,024 --> 00:44:55,944
prescription medications,
a bunch.
980
00:44:55,984 --> 00:45:00,954
But ultimately, they did
a toxicology report on him,
981
00:45:00,989 --> 00:45:04,119
and he came up with a couple
of things in his system,
982
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,159
but it was mostly
his alcohol content.
983
00:45:07,204 --> 00:45:10,044
I don't think that
that made him violent.
984
00:45:10,082 --> 00:45:12,922
I think it made him...
985
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,670
erratic.
986
00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:34,860
Now, it's very important
that people recognize
987
00:45:34,898 --> 00:45:37,318
that doesn't mean
you become homicidal.
988
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:38,859
It means you become manic.
989
00:45:38,902 --> 00:45:43,162
It means you become
possibly delusional.
990
00:45:43,198 --> 00:45:45,658
He's gonna say something
he regrets.
991
00:45:45,701 --> 00:45:50,331
You know, he's going
to act bizarre.
992
00:45:50,372 --> 00:45:51,832
I mean, if you listen
to those tapes,
993
00:45:51,874 --> 00:45:54,754
he comes up
with all kinds of crazy shit.
994
00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:04,677
That's just not true.
995
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,560
That's megalomania, right?
996
00:46:06,597 --> 00:46:08,517
That's having
a manic episode.
997
00:46:08,557 --> 00:46:10,727
So, you're gonna say
all kinds of things.
998
00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:13,848
That's why you just have to look
at what the evidence says.
999
00:46:13,896 --> 00:46:17,226
Don't listen to the person,
look at the evidence.
1000
00:46:17,274 --> 00:46:18,984
A tragedy happened,
1001
00:46:19,026 --> 00:46:22,236
but it could have happened
in anybody's house.
1002
00:46:22,279 --> 00:46:24,619
I mean, it has to be
because of who I am.
1003
00:46:24,656 --> 00:46:26,326
It has to be 'cause
I live in a castle.
1004
00:46:26,366 --> 00:46:28,576
It has to be a frame-up,
1005
00:46:28,619 --> 00:46:32,289
because it's not based
on real evidence.
1006
00:46:33,749 --> 00:46:37,169
I had nothing to do
with her death.
1007
00:46:37,211 --> 00:46:39,881
Case closed.
1008
00:46:40,422 --> 00:46:43,882
[Paul] We did a forensic
psychological background on her.
1009
00:46:43,926 --> 00:46:48,596
There was nobody
as far as close friends
1010
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:53,229
or family members who said
Lana Clarkson was suicidal,
1011
00:46:53,268 --> 00:46:55,648
that she ever talked
about suicide.
1012
00:46:55,687 --> 00:46:58,107
Lana never talked
about self-harm.
1013
00:46:58,148 --> 00:47:01,398
And why would a beautiful woman
1014
00:47:01,443 --> 00:47:04,913
in the prime of her life
commit suicide
1015
00:47:04,947 --> 00:47:09,027
in a stranger's house,
of all places?
1016
00:47:09,076 --> 00:47:10,656
It would never happen.
1017
00:47:11,703 --> 00:47:15,043
[Richard] One thing that
I took note of
1018
00:47:15,082 --> 00:47:15,832
during the autopsy,
1019
00:47:15,874 --> 00:47:18,544
she had a bruise
on her tongue.
1020
00:47:18,585 --> 00:47:20,705
Now, to me,
that would indicate
1021
00:47:20,754 --> 00:47:23,424
the gun was forced
into her mouth.
1022
00:47:23,966 --> 00:47:25,506
If you're gonna kill yourself,
are you gonna jam the gun
1023
00:47:25,551 --> 00:47:27,391
in your mouth?
I don't know.
1024
00:47:29,471 --> 00:47:31,851
[Paul] You start adding
all these things up over time,
1025
00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:34,560
you realize that it made
absolutely no sense
1026
00:47:34,601 --> 00:47:37,101
that this young lady
would take her own life
1027
00:47:37,145 --> 00:47:38,725
in this situation.
1028
00:47:38,772 --> 00:47:40,322
I'm not the one sitting there
1029
00:47:40,357 --> 00:47:42,817
having to prove it
in front of a jury,
1030
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:46,200
but I felt we had
overwhelming evidence
1031
00:47:46,238 --> 00:47:48,698
to support that Spector did it.
1032
00:47:51,493 --> 00:47:54,503
[Nicole] The city dumped
a lot of money
1033
00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:58,078
into making sure
that they got somebody.
1034
00:47:58,125 --> 00:47:59,875
They finally had someone
1035
00:47:59,918 --> 00:48:03,958
who had this
sinister past,
1036
00:48:04,006 --> 00:48:09,176
so, I mean, that was like
the vultures were descending.
1037
00:48:09,219 --> 00:48:11,219
He was easy prey.
1038
00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:22,359
I'm sorry
that I met you
1039
00:48:24,526 --> 00:48:31,196
Now I only just regret you
1040
00:48:31,241 --> 00:48:35,041
I remember the night
1041
00:48:35,078 --> 00:48:41,038
When you first
held me tight, oh
1042
00:48:41,084 --> 00:48:46,804
Now, I'm sorry
that I met you
1043
00:48:49,176 --> 00:48:54,556
I was lost
in the hurricane
1044
00:48:54,598 --> 00:49:11,358
La-la-la, la, la-la
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