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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,750 --> 00:00:03,090              What's new                     in the record business?       2 00:00:03,128 --> 00:00:04,748          Have you a brought                    a new sound to...          3 00:00:04,796 --> 00:00:06,416             No new sound.                  I have a hard enough time      4 00:00:06,464 --> 00:00:08,264     prevailing over the old one.     5 00:00:08,299 --> 00:00:09,469               -Really?                          -That's right.            6 00:00:09,509 --> 00:00:11,469        We leave the new sounds                 to everyone else.          7 00:00:11,511 --> 00:00:14,141       And I think he was always                 slightly uneasy           8 00:00:14,180 --> 00:00:16,600           with his success,              as much as he rejoiced in it     9 00:00:16,641 --> 00:00:19,061        and felt that he richly                   deserved it.             10 00:00:19,102 --> 00:00:22,692       It allowed him to indulge           some of his worst aspects,      11 00:00:22,731 --> 00:00:27,571       and also brought with it               a degree of paranoia.        12 00:00:27,610 --> 00:00:29,110  What do you think, I'm some kind        of an idiot or something?      13 00:00:29,154 --> 00:00:30,664     You're trying to trap me like           I'm some kind of a moe.       14 00:00:30,697 --> 00:00:31,907          "What do you think                    of those songs?"           15 00:00:31,948 --> 00:00:33,118     [Eartha Kitt] Well, if I were             you, I wouldn't ask         16 00:00:33,158 --> 00:00:34,448       -those kind of questions.                  -Here we go.             17 00:00:34,492 --> 00:00:35,622         You're gonna hear it,                   they're gonna--           18 00:00:35,660 --> 00:00:37,080             they're gonna                    start in with me now.        19 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,500           Don't you want me                  to talk to you, Phil?        20 00:00:38,538 --> 00:00:39,578      No, that's quite all right.     21 00:00:39,622 --> 00:00:41,292         Talk to antagonistic                     Eartha Kitt.             22 00:00:41,332 --> 00:00:44,882          [Nedra Talley-Ross]             I began to see things in him     23 00:00:44,919 --> 00:00:46,919          that I didn't like.         24 00:00:47,630 --> 00:00:49,920             I knew he had                  little man insecurities,       25 00:00:49,966 --> 00:00:51,716       and that's when it began                   to be things             26 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,800      like we'd go out to lunch,      27 00:00:53,845 --> 00:00:57,675        and he'd have a couple                   of bodyguards.            28 00:00:57,724 --> 00:00:59,104     I have some friends backstage    29 00:00:59,142 --> 00:01:01,812         who don't take kindly              to that nonsense about...      30 00:01:01,853 --> 00:01:03,903           -Who's backstage?              -Never mind who's backstage.     31 00:01:03,938 --> 00:01:05,818           You'll feel them              as they come through the wall.    32 00:01:05,857 --> 00:01:06,977                 -Oh.                              -[laughter]             33 00:01:07,025 --> 00:01:09,185       When somebody would start               something with him,         34 00:01:09,235 --> 00:01:12,525            then he'd say,                 "Go outside, come outside."     35 00:01:12,572 --> 00:01:15,532        So, the two bodyguards                  would go outside.          36 00:01:15,575 --> 00:01:17,575           He didn't go out,                 he wasn't gonna fight.        37 00:01:17,619 --> 00:01:19,539            He seems to be                     terribly sensitive.         38 00:01:19,579 --> 00:01:20,869        [Phil] Very sensitive,                  you have no idea.          39 00:01:20,914 --> 00:01:23,044    I'm gonna knock the both of you       right out into the street.      40 00:01:23,083 --> 00:01:24,503     What are you sensitive about?    41 00:01:24,542 --> 00:01:26,002              Ignorance--                      oh, am I sensitive.         42 00:01:26,044 --> 00:01:30,224           He knew full well                  that he wasn't well.         43 00:01:30,256 --> 00:01:35,216        He knew full well what              his mental condition was.      44 00:01:36,221 --> 00:01:39,061     He's realizing that something             is not quite right.         45 00:01:39,099 --> 00:01:40,679         I mean, other people                  can clearly see it,         46 00:01:40,725 --> 00:01:41,805      but he's also realizing it.     47 00:01:41,851 --> 00:01:43,021               Come on,                         Eartha, tell me.           48 00:01:43,061 --> 00:01:45,941       The only thing I can say             is I believe in Socrates.      49 00:01:45,980 --> 00:01:47,110               -You do?                               -Yes.                50 00:01:47,148 --> 00:01:49,688    -Did he believe in you, though?               -Give him--             51 00:01:49,734 --> 00:01:52,404       give someone enough rope,          and he always hangs himself.     52 00:01:52,445 --> 00:01:53,945             Uh-oh, uh-oh.            53 00:01:53,988 --> 00:01:56,948         [cheers and applause]        54 00:02:01,371 --> 00:02:04,081                [music]               55 00:02:13,842 --> 00:02:17,722         Daydreaming 'bout you       56 00:02:17,762 --> 00:02:21,812          So glad I found you        57 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:24,980         I was lost without you      58 00:02:25,019 --> 00:02:29,569                I'll sing                        a little louder           59 00:02:29,607 --> 00:02:33,147          So glad I found you        60 00:02:33,194 --> 00:02:36,954                I was lost                         without you             61 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:41,200                I'll sing                        a little louder           62 00:02:43,872 --> 00:02:46,622    [male reporter] It starts like         a Hollywood murder mystery.     63 00:02:46,666 --> 00:02:49,036        The victim, a beautiful                  B-movie actress           64 00:02:49,085 --> 00:02:50,375         named Lana Clarkson.         65 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:52,710    [female reporter] Lana Clarkson       was a B-list movie actress.     66 00:02:52,755 --> 00:02:54,755          [female reporter 2]             A B-movie star turned up dead    67 00:02:54,799 --> 00:02:57,179      in Phil Spector's mansion.      68 00:02:58,678 --> 00:03:02,428            One of the most                    disheartening parts         69 00:03:02,473 --> 00:03:04,733        of that whole situation       70 00:03:04,767 --> 00:03:07,227      was they would always lead      71 00:03:07,270 --> 00:03:10,060          with "The B-actress                    Lana Clarkson."           72 00:03:10,106 --> 00:03:14,396    [male reporter] Lana Clarkson,       tall, blonde, 40, B-movie star.  73 00:03:14,444 --> 00:03:16,324      [male reporter 2] He meets               struggling actress          74 00:03:16,362 --> 00:03:17,322            Lana Clarkson.            75 00:03:17,363 --> 00:03:19,123      [male reporter] She'd spent               most of her life           76 00:03:19,157 --> 00:03:21,077              hoping that                     she'd be famous too,         77 00:03:21,117 --> 00:03:23,827       and now, ironically, was.      78 00:03:23,870 --> 00:03:26,660     When people say that, what do         you automatically think of?     79 00:03:26,706 --> 00:03:32,416         Just some low-budget               horrible actor, actress,       80 00:03:32,462 --> 00:03:35,092       you know, in some movies          that you never heard of before.  81 00:03:35,131 --> 00:03:37,721         To me, it was a form                    of degradation.           82 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,140         Oh, man, I tell you.         83 00:03:40,178 --> 00:03:42,258              Some of you                      might recognize me,         84 00:03:42,305 --> 00:03:44,635          though you may not                    want to admit it.          85 00:03:44,682 --> 00:03:46,642     No, sir, I did not do pornos.    86 00:03:46,684 --> 00:03:48,904              [laughter]              87 00:03:48,937 --> 00:03:50,977           That is horrible.                    That is horrible.          88 00:03:51,022 --> 00:03:56,992       I would hope that people               would not judge her.         89 00:03:57,028 --> 00:03:59,948      People automatically assume          that "A," I have no brain,      90 00:03:59,989 --> 00:04:01,239       "B," I have fake breasts,      91 00:04:01,282 --> 00:04:03,532         and "C," that I will,                for cash and prizes,         92 00:04:03,576 --> 00:04:05,696           give it all away.          93 00:04:05,745 --> 00:04:08,205          The answer is "D,"                   none of the above.          94 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:10,208               In fact,                      it's because I have "A"       95 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:13,590         and I don't have "B"                 that I don't do "C."         96 00:04:13,628 --> 00:04:16,338    What are you trying to portray?       What are you trying to say?     97 00:04:16,381 --> 00:04:20,681        You know, she had act--            she made movies, you know.      98 00:04:20,718 --> 00:04:22,008              She was in                     the Hollywood business.       99 00:04:22,053 --> 00:04:26,183       And I've played probably           every sexpot bimbo character     100 00:04:26,224 --> 00:04:28,694          -you could imagine.                      -[laughter]             101 00:04:28,726 --> 00:04:31,096             You name her,                      I've played her.           102 00:04:31,688 --> 00:04:34,188           Flight attendant,                    showgirl, hooker,          103 00:04:34,232 --> 00:04:38,112        uh, mistress, masseuse,                      hooker.               104 00:04:38,152 --> 00:04:41,072               -Warrior.                           -[laughter]             105 00:04:41,114 --> 00:04:44,874     You know, blah-blah, hooker.     106 00:04:44,909 --> 00:04:47,949     Do we see like a theme here?                  [laughter]              107 00:04:47,996 --> 00:04:50,326          You mustn't confuse               the actress and her roles      108 00:04:50,373 --> 00:04:53,133     with the woman though, okay?                  Basically.              109 00:04:53,167 --> 00:04:55,127          She was an actress.         110 00:04:55,169 --> 00:04:57,089           And let's take it                     a step further,           111 00:04:57,130 --> 00:04:58,210        she was just a person.        112 00:04:58,256 --> 00:05:01,006            And I really--                 whenever I would hear that,     113 00:05:01,050 --> 00:05:02,390       I literally would cringe.      114 00:05:02,427 --> 00:05:05,467    I could stand up here all night           and do characters,          115 00:05:05,513 --> 00:05:07,273         but I thought tonight                 I would just stick          116 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:10,517       to the hardest character            of them all to play, Lana.      117 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,350              [laughter]              118 00:05:17,358 --> 00:05:19,898    [Paul Fournier] As a detective,             the very first,           119 00:05:19,944 --> 00:05:21,904         and I think the most                   important thing,           120 00:05:21,946 --> 00:05:26,696        is to handle the actual              collection of evidence.       121 00:05:28,870 --> 00:05:31,750          Right next to Lana                       was a desk,             122 00:05:31,789 --> 00:05:34,379            and the drawer                     was partially open.         123 00:05:35,376 --> 00:05:41,126     Inside the desk was a holster            that matched the gun         124 00:05:41,174 --> 00:05:44,184      that was found by her foot.     125 00:05:44,218 --> 00:05:46,798        Some of the key things               certainly was the gun,        126 00:05:46,846 --> 00:05:49,266      the gun that was ultimately               used in the case.          127 00:05:49,307 --> 00:05:51,927      [Richard] The handgun used              to kill Lana Clarkson        128 00:05:51,976 --> 00:05:53,686      was a .38-caliber revolver.     129 00:05:53,728 --> 00:05:56,688      There were multiple weapons        that were ultimately recovered    130 00:05:56,731 --> 00:05:59,861     inside his residence through          various parts of the house.     131 00:05:59,901 --> 00:06:03,611       [Richard] In his bedroom              he had over five or six       132 00:06:03,654 --> 00:06:08,204      different type of handguns,           and rifles, and shotguns.      133 00:06:08,242 --> 00:06:10,202      [Paul] There was ammunition                 found, again,            134 00:06:10,244 --> 00:06:13,714         through several areas               throughout the mansion.       135 00:06:16,417 --> 00:06:18,537               And then,                     you take the next step.       136 00:06:18,586 --> 00:06:21,336      We need to try to determine                whether or not            137 00:06:21,381 --> 00:06:24,221     he had any similar incidents,    138 00:06:24,258 --> 00:06:28,548       and if in fact there was,             a pattern that he has.        139 00:06:33,893 --> 00:06:35,943            All these years                 that we worked together,       140 00:06:35,978 --> 00:06:37,978          I was hearing about                   all these things           141 00:06:38,022 --> 00:06:40,112           that he's doing,                   and I'm going, "Phil?        142 00:06:40,149 --> 00:06:41,569           "You know, I know                    he's kinda crazy,          143 00:06:41,609 --> 00:06:43,529            "but what guns,                what are you talking about?     144 00:06:43,569 --> 00:06:45,529     I've never seen Phil Spector               pull out a gun."           145 00:06:45,571 --> 00:06:49,781          One particular time                    I was on my way           146 00:06:49,826 --> 00:06:51,906      to do a session with Phil,      147 00:06:51,953 --> 00:06:54,413       and everybody was running               out of the studio.          148 00:06:54,455 --> 00:06:57,075       And I'm going, what's up,                what's going on?           149 00:06:57,125 --> 00:06:58,995         "Man, Phil's in there                 with his guns out."         150 00:06:59,043 --> 00:07:00,713       I said, "What do you mean                 he's in there?            151 00:07:00,753 --> 00:07:02,003  "This is a Darlene Love session.  152 00:07:02,046 --> 00:07:04,126           What do you mean               he's in there pulling guns?"     153 00:07:04,173 --> 00:07:06,513         And they told me that           he was in there joking around,    154 00:07:06,551 --> 00:07:08,181        you know, with his gun                    in his hand.             155 00:07:08,219 --> 00:07:09,929                I said,                   "Well, y'all the ones crazy.     156 00:07:09,971 --> 00:07:11,101       "Y'all in there with him       157 00:07:11,139 --> 00:07:13,059         and you allowing him                     to do that."             158 00:07:13,099 --> 00:07:14,519       The people in the studios      159 00:07:14,559 --> 00:07:16,599           let him act crazy                  with guns and things.        160 00:07:16,644 --> 00:07:20,064     You know, that just gave him         a right to be able to do it,     161 00:07:20,106 --> 00:07:22,816     'cause nobody said anything,          "Nobody tried to stop me."      162 00:07:22,859 --> 00:07:24,109               You know,                  and I'm not gonna be the one     163 00:07:24,152 --> 00:07:26,492         to try to stop nobody                    with no gun.             164 00:07:27,530 --> 00:07:30,320      [Carol Connors] Phil became                out of control,           165 00:07:30,366 --> 00:07:33,116         and his bad behavior         166 00:07:33,161 --> 00:07:35,121          became even worse.          167 00:07:35,163 --> 00:07:37,123          It was almost like                    he was, you know,          168 00:07:37,165 --> 00:07:39,125          rewarded for that.          169 00:07:39,167 --> 00:07:43,547     You know, the badder you are,        the more successful you are.     170 00:07:43,588 --> 00:07:46,628          You gotta remember,            his success, he was very young.  171 00:07:46,674 --> 00:07:49,014         Very young, you know?        172 00:07:49,051 --> 00:07:51,011           And he had a lot                    of emotional issues         173 00:07:51,053 --> 00:07:52,473        and, you know, things--       174 00:07:52,513 --> 00:07:54,103    psychological issues and things  175 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:56,020    that I guess started to fester    176 00:07:56,058 --> 00:07:57,348            and got worse.            177 00:07:57,393 --> 00:08:00,193           I was a teenager                 hitchhiking to Hollywood,      178 00:08:00,229 --> 00:08:02,479       and I went to Gold Star.       179 00:08:02,523 --> 00:08:05,033        Somebody told me about              sneaking in the back door      180 00:08:05,067 --> 00:08:06,317             in the alley.            181 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,570     I'd sit on whatever sessions               I was allowed to,          182 00:08:08,613 --> 00:08:12,533       and I ended up witnessing          these Phil Spector sessions.     183 00:08:13,451 --> 00:08:15,621     Phil was producing a record,     184 00:08:15,661 --> 00:08:20,081  and Dave Gold, one of the owners     of Gold Star, was the engineer.  185 00:08:20,124 --> 00:08:23,384     And I see Dave Gold punch in,    186 00:08:23,419 --> 00:08:25,339       and then I see this look                    on his face             187 00:08:25,379 --> 00:08:27,719             that was like                    this look of horror.         188 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:30,088         And he looks at Phil                 and he says, "Phil,"         189 00:08:30,134 --> 00:08:35,064               he says,                     "I just erased a track."       190 00:08:35,097 --> 00:08:38,057          Phil said, "What?"           "Yeah, I just erased the choir."  191 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:40,140      Now, the choir was the most              expensive session,          192 00:08:40,186 --> 00:08:42,226       because you got 20 people               getting paid scale,         193 00:08:42,271 --> 00:08:45,191         you know what I mean,                  it's like, pfft.           194 00:08:45,233 --> 00:08:47,993    Phil has this incredulous look                on his face,             195 00:08:48,027 --> 00:08:50,857        and then he just dives                 under the console.          196 00:08:51,906 --> 00:08:53,486           He gets into like                    a fetal position,          197 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:55,083     and he's under there sobbing,    198 00:08:55,117 --> 00:08:58,907          like vocally, like,                    you know, loud.           199 00:08:58,955 --> 00:09:00,995        I mean, and I'm like...                    [laughing]              200 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,130           I thought, well,                      this is my cue            201 00:09:03,167 --> 00:09:04,537          to leave the room,                  you know what I mean?        202 00:09:04,585 --> 00:09:06,585       But later, Dave told me,                     you know,              203 00:09:06,629 --> 00:09:08,799      that he stayed under there             for four hours, right?        204 00:09:08,839 --> 00:09:10,089     He wouldn't come out, right?     205 00:09:10,132 --> 00:09:12,012        He was just down there                  crawled in a ball          206 00:09:12,051 --> 00:09:14,391    underneath the console sobbing.  207 00:09:14,428 --> 00:09:20,428     I saw Phil sort of break down               mentally, '64.            208 00:09:20,476 --> 00:09:24,186       [Mick] In 1964 Phil goes           to the UK for the first time.    209 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:26,150         He makes a connection                   to the Beatles.           210 00:09:26,190 --> 00:09:28,030       Of course, they were all                   enormous fans            211 00:09:28,067 --> 00:09:30,027           of the Crystals,                     and the Ronettes,          212 00:09:30,069 --> 00:09:31,739          and those records.          213 00:09:32,446 --> 00:09:34,276         This sort of, again,               this extraordinary moment      214 00:09:34,323 --> 00:09:35,993      in history where you've got           the Beatles, the Stones,       215 00:09:36,033 --> 00:09:37,543             the Ronettes,                      and Phil Spector           216 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:40,617     all together in this sort of                 melting pot.             217 00:09:41,372 --> 00:09:44,042      [Nedra] We were in England,     218 00:09:44,083 --> 00:09:46,503           and so we've got                  this big-time producer.       219 00:09:46,544 --> 00:09:51,344           And he came over               looking nervous and anxious,     220 00:09:51,382 --> 00:09:54,472              speaking in                        a false voice,            221 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:57,310      like, up-in-the-air voice.      222 00:09:57,346 --> 00:10:00,096        And people were saying,               "What's up with him?"        223 00:10:00,141 --> 00:10:01,641         This is our producer.        224 00:10:01,684 --> 00:10:04,154            He's cracked up                       in some way.             225 00:10:04,186 --> 00:10:05,606    There's almost a sort of sense    226 00:10:05,646 --> 00:10:08,146       of some sort of transfer              of power going on here.       227 00:10:08,190 --> 00:10:10,280       Phil actually flies back                    to New York             228 00:10:10,318 --> 00:10:12,278           on the same plane                     as the Beatles,           229 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,280    and this seems very powerfully              symbolic somehow.          230 00:10:15,323 --> 00:10:18,203  And there's some rather poignant           photographs, film,          231 00:10:18,242 --> 00:10:20,122            of the Beatles                   coming down the stairs        232 00:10:20,161 --> 00:10:22,621            from the steps                      on the aircraft,           233 00:10:22,663 --> 00:10:25,123       being greeted by sort of             screaming hordes of fans       234 00:10:25,166 --> 00:10:26,536         over in the terminal.        235 00:10:26,584 --> 00:10:28,754          And then, stumbling                     along behind,            236 00:10:28,794 --> 00:10:32,424       anonymous and overlooked,          is the figure of Phil Spector    237 00:10:32,465 --> 00:10:34,675     in this sort of Beatle camp.     238 00:10:40,389 --> 00:10:41,809      Phil at that point realizes     239 00:10:41,849 --> 00:10:43,979        that the writing is on                the wall, as it were,        240 00:10:44,018 --> 00:10:45,188        for the wall of sound.        241 00:10:45,227 --> 00:10:47,057         But he's at something                  of a loss to know          242 00:10:47,104 --> 00:10:48,864     quite what to do about this,     243 00:10:48,898 --> 00:10:50,978            and quite where               he should be going with this.    244 00:10:51,025 --> 00:10:54,275     And there's these two singers       called the Righteous Brothers,    245 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,280           fantastic voices,                    terrific voices.           246 00:10:56,322 --> 00:10:59,242           And Phil saw them               and saw something in them,      247 00:10:59,283 --> 00:11:01,293      and wanted to record them.      248 00:11:01,327 --> 00:11:04,077     Phil was very excited because        he knew how great they were,     249 00:11:04,121 --> 00:11:07,631        and he appreciated them                    very much,              250 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:09,207     especially in the beginning.     251 00:11:09,251 --> 00:11:11,631       You never close your eyes     252 00:11:11,671 --> 00:11:14,261        [Mick] He realizes that             he needs a fantastic song      253 00:11:14,298 --> 00:11:17,838               to launch                  the Righteous Brothers with.     254 00:11:17,885 --> 00:11:19,005         And they come up with        255 00:11:19,053 --> 00:11:20,353           "You've Lost That                    Lovin' Feelin'."           256 00:11:20,388 --> 00:11:21,758           So don't, don't...        257 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:23,676            And it becomes                     his biggest record,         258 00:11:23,724 --> 00:11:26,774    certainly since "He's a Rebel,"      you know, four years earlier,    259 00:11:26,811 --> 00:11:29,811  and really gives him this second         lease of life, really.        260 00:11:29,855 --> 00:11:34,565               Baby, baby,                          baby, baby             261 00:11:34,610 --> 00:11:36,280          [Phil]   It surpassed                       "Yesterday,"            262 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,700          it surpassed "Always"                   by Irving Berlin.          263 00:11:38,739 --> 00:11:42,829         It surpassed everything.               It's won every award.        264 00:11:42,868 --> 00:11:45,118                This song                      is the most played song       265 00:11:45,162 --> 00:11:47,372         in the history of music.      266 00:11:47,415 --> 00:11:49,705               "You've Lost                     That Lovin' Feelin'."        267 00:11:49,750 --> 00:11:55,720                Bring back                     that loving feeling         268 00:11:55,756 --> 00:12:00,586       Whoa, that loving feeling     269 00:12:00,636 --> 00:12:04,426                Bring back                     that loving feeling         270 00:12:04,473 --> 00:12:06,603  [Mick] And it's around this time          as well that we begin        271 00:12:06,642 --> 00:12:09,772  to see Phil appear on television         talk shows and things.        272 00:12:09,812 --> 00:12:12,482          Look, I'm ordering                    100,000 records,           273 00:12:12,523 --> 00:12:13,823    and that's just the beginning.    274 00:12:13,858 --> 00:12:16,938              Excuse me,                    are you Mr. Phil Spector?      275 00:12:17,653 --> 00:12:19,163            Look, it's been                      a real bad day.           276 00:12:19,196 --> 00:12:20,446     Would you come back in April?    277 00:12:20,489 --> 00:12:23,449    [Mick] And then Phil made this       rather extraordinary appearance  278 00:12:23,492 --> 00:12:26,952  in "Easy Rider" with Peter Fonda           and Dennis Hopper.          279 00:12:29,832 --> 00:12:32,962    At this point Phil is becoming        a celebrity in his own right.    280 00:12:33,002 --> 00:12:35,762     The character of Phil Spector               begins to grow.           281 00:12:37,923 --> 00:12:39,723           No other producer                 in the record business        282 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:42,429      has this ever happened to,                 and it's likely           283 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:44,260        that no other producer               in the record business        284 00:12:44,305 --> 00:12:47,175       will this ever happen to,              and so in that sense,        285 00:12:47,224 --> 00:12:49,774       he reached the absolute,                 absolute summit.           286 00:12:49,810 --> 00:12:52,150        But I think, you know,             this was to some detriment      287 00:12:52,188 --> 00:12:53,478       to his mental well-being.      288 00:12:53,522 --> 00:12:55,902  And you know, success didn't sit         well with him, really.        289 00:12:55,941 --> 00:12:57,651       [Phil]   You're never gonna                   be successful            290 00:12:57,693 --> 00:12:58,903        if people don't hate you,      291 00:12:58,944 --> 00:13:01,364        and that's what everybody                  hates about me.           292 00:13:01,405 --> 00:13:03,735             If you come down                   to what really people        293 00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:07,123         hate about Phil Spector,                     is he's--              294 00:13:07,161 --> 00:13:11,291         he controls everything,             and that's too fucking bad.     295 00:13:11,332 --> 00:13:13,382            But 40 years later                   you're still singing        296 00:13:13,417 --> 00:13:16,797          the same fucking songs                you were 40 years ago.       297 00:13:17,671 --> 00:13:19,671             How 'bout that?           298 00:13:23,010 --> 00:13:25,470          Phil has dominated                the American record scene      299 00:13:25,513 --> 00:13:27,723             through 1963                          up to 1964.             300 00:13:27,765 --> 00:13:29,885         But you get the sense                that he really needs         301 00:13:29,934 --> 00:13:31,854          to reinvent himself                     in some way.             302 00:13:31,894 --> 00:13:34,614          He wanted the next                  Phil Spector record.         303 00:13:34,647 --> 00:13:35,767         [cheers and applause]        304 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:39,145          Now, let's go with                  Ike and Tina Turner!         305 00:13:39,193 --> 00:13:41,573         [cheers and applause]        306 00:13:42,196 --> 00:13:47,156       [Phil]   I went to see her,           and the show was mesmerizing.    307 00:13:47,201 --> 00:13:51,411  And I said gosh, if I could make       a number-one record with her,    308 00:13:51,455 --> 00:13:53,615        she could go on and sell--     309 00:13:53,666 --> 00:13:55,786        she could go to Las Vegas,     310 00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:57,835             she could break                      the color barrier.         311 00:13:57,878 --> 00:14:01,718            She could really--                 they could really do it.      312 00:14:01,757 --> 00:14:04,637          Phil, who idolized                     soulful voices,           313 00:14:04,677 --> 00:14:06,047        idolized Black voices,        314 00:14:06,095 --> 00:14:10,055        and was just completely             blown away by Tina Turner      315 00:14:10,099 --> 00:14:11,559       and wanted to record her.      316 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,270    The only obstacle to doing this             was Ike Turner,           317 00:14:14,311 --> 00:14:16,771         who, if Phil Spector                   was proprietorial          318 00:14:16,814 --> 00:14:18,904     of his wife and girlfriends,     319 00:14:18,941 --> 00:14:22,151       Ike Turner was even more                  proprietorial.            320 00:14:22,194 --> 00:14:24,244  They were inseparable as a unit,  321 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,570           and Ike had a bit                     of a reputation           322 00:14:25,614 --> 00:14:28,914        for being a tough guy,             and a guy that carried guns     323 00:14:28,951 --> 00:14:31,451          and didn't tolerate                    much nonsense.            324 00:14:31,495 --> 00:14:34,115       And so, Phil had the task           of going to see Ike Turner      325 00:14:34,164 --> 00:14:37,084        to try and persuade him            to let him record his wife.     326 00:14:37,126 --> 00:14:39,206        [Ike]   And would I agree                   to let him do it          327 00:14:39,253 --> 00:14:41,463        the way he wanted to do it            without any interference.      328 00:14:41,505 --> 00:14:42,875               I said, man,                     with your reputation,        329 00:14:42,923 --> 00:14:44,303           you know, why should                      I interfere?            330 00:14:44,341 --> 00:14:47,761       You know, like, if you think         you can do it, take the shot.    331 00:14:47,803 --> 00:14:50,183           I agreed to let him                 have full control of it,      332 00:14:50,222 --> 00:14:51,522        and then I agreed to let--     333 00:14:51,557 --> 00:14:54,177        Tina would go to his house              daily for rehearsals.        334 00:14:54,226 --> 00:14:55,476    [Mick] Phil came up with a song  335 00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:57,229          called "River Deep                     Mountain High."           336 00:14:57,271 --> 00:15:02,901        When I was a little girl,                I had a rag doll          337 00:15:02,943 --> 00:15:06,663              The only doll                      I've ever owned           338 00:15:06,697 --> 00:15:09,447           The energy of it,                 it just surged in here.       339 00:15:09,491 --> 00:15:11,621       You know, it was so big,       340 00:15:11,660 --> 00:15:14,910         and my voice sounded                so different, you know,       341 00:15:14,955 --> 00:15:17,995            standing on top                    of all that music.          342 00:15:18,042 --> 00:15:20,422          We were impressed,                     Ike and myself.           343 00:15:21,378 --> 00:15:23,878               Let me say            344 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:28,763              It gets higher                        day by day             345 00:15:29,637 --> 00:15:34,517            And do I love you,                      my, oh my              346 00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:38,847             Yeah, river deep                     mountain high            347 00:15:38,896 --> 00:15:40,856            Yeah, yeah, yeah         348 00:15:40,898 --> 00:15:42,438           [Mick] And here,                   you had at that time         349 00:15:42,483 --> 00:15:45,493  the greatest female soul singer,              Tina Turner.             350 00:15:45,527 --> 00:15:48,697         You had the greatest              songwriters of the moment,      351 00:15:48,739 --> 00:15:52,159        so you had the greatest          record producer, Phil Spector.    352 00:15:52,201 --> 00:15:53,951           It couldn't fail.          353 00:15:56,330 --> 00:15:57,210                   Oh                354 00:15:57,247 --> 00:15:58,537      "River Deep Mountain High"      355 00:15:58,582 --> 00:16:01,502     was an international success,    356 00:16:01,543 --> 00:16:02,923             but not here.            357 00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:05,132      [Mick]   Were you devastated                      when...               358 00:16:05,172 --> 00:16:06,922         -[Phil]   "River Deep"?                    -[Mick]   Yeah.            359 00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,586          [Phil]   The Beatles                 came out publicly and said     360 00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:10,974        it was the greatest record               they had ever heard,        361 00:16:11,011 --> 00:16:13,851               so it became                     number one in England.       362 00:16:13,889 --> 00:16:16,809        I took out ads in America              which hurt me very badly      363 00:16:16,850 --> 00:16:19,270         with the American radio.      364 00:16:19,311 --> 00:16:20,691        Benedict Arnold was right.     365 00:16:20,729 --> 00:16:22,189       [Mick]   I don't understand                 the significance.          366 00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:24,611        [Phil]   Benedict Arnold             was a traitor to the American.  367 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:26,030              He joined with                      the English forces         368 00:16:26,068 --> 00:16:27,898       -against George Washington.                    -Oh, okay.             369 00:16:27,945 --> 00:16:31,115     [Phil]   Nasty remarks I made.                But I was pissed.          370 00:16:31,156 --> 00:16:33,736           More than anything,                       I was angry.            371 00:16:33,784 --> 00:16:38,374           Phil went crazy.                   He was really upset.         372 00:16:38,414 --> 00:16:39,924         And he took revenge.         373 00:16:39,957 --> 00:16:43,747     You know, I can't say it was            rational thinking here,       374 00:16:43,794 --> 00:16:46,964     but the revenge he took was,     375 00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:49,506          "I'm not gonna make                  any more records."          376 00:16:50,884 --> 00:16:52,684     [Mick] It seems an awful lot               has been crammed           377 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,720           into this period,              but in four years, you know,     378 00:16:55,764 --> 00:16:59,734          Phil has gone from                    kind of anonymity          379 00:16:59,768 --> 00:17:03,308         to becoming the most              successful record producer      380 00:17:03,355 --> 00:17:05,315           in rock and roll.          381 00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:08,530           Very poignantly,                   it's also this period        382 00:17:08,569 --> 00:17:10,569    in which Lana Clarkson is born.  383 00:17:12,489 --> 00:17:15,029           [Donna Clarkson]                  Lana was my first born.       384 00:17:15,075 --> 00:17:17,535            We always knew                she was going to be special.     385 00:17:17,578 --> 00:17:19,618       This is Lana and her dad.      386 00:17:19,663 --> 00:17:22,043         Well, she looks like          she's about two in this picture.  387 00:17:22,082 --> 00:17:24,422            In those years                 she was already theatrical.     388 00:17:24,460 --> 00:17:26,250           She had all these                     nursery rhymes,           389 00:17:26,295 --> 00:17:27,495         you know, memorized,         390 00:17:27,546 --> 00:17:29,546         and she would perform                for me all the time.         391 00:17:31,175 --> 00:17:34,845    I remember some old home videos     that a friend had from a party,  392 00:17:34,887 --> 00:17:36,927     and everyone had costumes on.    393 00:17:36,972 --> 00:17:38,682         And when she came in                   with her costume,          394 00:17:38,724 --> 00:17:40,564      she did the whole entrance.     395 00:17:40,601 --> 00:17:41,981          You know, she was,                    like, right there          396 00:17:42,019 --> 00:17:43,189  with the whole performing thing,  397 00:17:43,228 --> 00:17:46,188         and she was probably               only 11 or 12, you know,       398 00:17:46,231 --> 00:17:49,111      so that was kind of a sign                  right there.             399 00:17:50,903 --> 00:17:53,953       When her dad passed away,               she-- Lana was 16.          400 00:17:56,492 --> 00:17:58,162     He had had a mining accident,    401 00:17:58,202 --> 00:18:00,162       and the sprinkler system                   was clogged.             402 00:18:00,204 --> 00:18:02,624         So, he had gotten up             to try to unclog the system,     403 00:18:02,664 --> 00:18:04,544          and all of a sudden                   it just gave him           404 00:18:04,583 --> 00:18:06,923     this lethal dose of cyanide.     405 00:18:07,836 --> 00:18:09,956       So, he passed away at 34.      406 00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:13,678     It was a very difficult time                 for everyone.            407 00:18:13,717 --> 00:18:16,007          But Lana, you know,                  she-- we persevered         408 00:18:16,053 --> 00:18:19,103         through many things,             and I guess being very close     409 00:18:19,139 --> 00:18:21,849        as a family, we always                supported each other         410 00:18:21,892 --> 00:18:24,602         and helped each other             in every way that we could.     411 00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:28,145        So, as a single mother                with three children,         412 00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:30,650           we had come down                      to Los Angeles.           413 00:18:31,276 --> 00:18:34,236      Lana had convinced me that,         you know, she would help out,    414 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:36,529        and she could get a job                   if I let her             415 00:18:36,573 --> 00:18:38,663     get out of high school early.    416 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:40,700         Lana wanted to model                     at the time.             417 00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:42,504           She was only 16.           418 00:18:43,914 --> 00:18:46,004           I decided to move               back up to the Napa Valley,     419 00:18:46,041 --> 00:18:49,131        so she stayed down here               and started working.         420 00:18:52,214 --> 00:18:54,264            Lana was always                     very independent.          421 00:18:54,299 --> 00:18:56,049      Even when-- in that picture                 I showed you             422 00:18:56,093 --> 00:18:57,593     where she was two years old,     423 00:18:57,636 --> 00:18:59,136               she said,                     "Mom, I'm independent."       424 00:18:59,179 --> 00:19:01,389      And I remember asking her,          "What does independent mean?"    425 00:19:01,431 --> 00:19:03,231    And she goes-- she put her hand        on her hip and she goes,       426 00:19:03,267 --> 00:19:05,767         "It means I'd rather                    do it myself."            427 00:19:06,395 --> 00:19:09,855    I didn't really have any qualms     about her staying and working.    428 00:19:09,898 --> 00:19:11,278          She was very smart,         429 00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:13,686           and she was able               to handle herself quite well.    430 00:19:16,947 --> 00:19:18,777       ROB: I'm a unique person                   in this story            431 00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:20,034      because I knew both people.     432 00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:22,825     I mean, I don't know anybody            that knew both people.        433 00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:25,160        I did know Phil Spector                and Lana Clarkson.          434 00:19:25,205 --> 00:19:27,245          I went out with her                     a little bit,            435 00:19:27,291 --> 00:19:30,091          but we just became              really, really close friends.    436 00:19:30,127 --> 00:19:33,547       Lana, she was kinda like                one of these young,         437 00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:36,219           really energetic,                    optimistic girls.          438 00:19:36,258 --> 00:19:40,598      Lana is one of the tallest             people you've ever met.       439 00:19:40,637 --> 00:19:43,057    She was just a giant presence.    440 00:19:43,098 --> 00:19:44,768       She was so full of life,       441 00:19:44,808 --> 00:19:47,098           and she sparkled,                   and that was Lana.          442 00:19:47,144 --> 00:19:49,864        You just-- you couldn't            miss her, that's for sure.      443 00:19:49,897 --> 00:19:52,477       She'd always say, "Sunny,          I'm gonna be famous one day.     444 00:19:52,524 --> 00:19:55,694     You should take my picture,"            like, that was, like...       445 00:19:55,736 --> 00:19:58,816          till her dying day,               we were always shooting,       446 00:19:58,864 --> 00:20:01,624       and she was always trying          to get me to shoot something.    447 00:20:01,658 --> 00:20:02,868           She had an idea.           448 00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:05,580     She was probably 19, 20 when          she finally went to Europe.     449 00:20:05,621 --> 00:20:07,661         This is "Sposabella."        450 00:20:07,706 --> 00:20:10,706    This is a Italian wedding book.  451 00:20:10,751 --> 00:20:12,711           And you can see,              her layout is one of the first.  452 00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:16,343           So, here she is.                  Very beautiful layout.        453 00:20:16,381 --> 00:20:19,051     [Alan Thicke] Is it true what         they say about Italian men      454 00:20:19,092 --> 00:20:20,932          being as aggressive                on the streets as we...       455 00:20:20,969 --> 00:20:22,389            Oh, absolutely,                    they're the worst.          456 00:20:22,429 --> 00:20:24,009         I mean, I love them,                  don't get me wrong,         457 00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:25,056          they're wonderful.          458 00:20:25,098 --> 00:20:26,388            But let's see,                  last year on my birthday       459 00:20:26,433 --> 00:20:29,443    I was walking down the street,        and a young boy about age 17     460 00:20:29,478 --> 00:20:31,688      came behind me on a bicycle             and pinched my rear.         461 00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:33,270          So, I turned around                 and knocked him over.        462 00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:34,725         But he pulled me down                    on top of him            463 00:20:34,775 --> 00:20:36,185        and started punching me                and beating on me.          464 00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:37,895              I saw red,                        so I beat him up,          465 00:20:37,945 --> 00:20:39,105         and sort of picked up                    the bicycle.             466 00:20:39,154 --> 00:20:41,744       You know, the adrenaline,           one hand, threw it at him.      467 00:20:41,782 --> 00:20:43,742             Crashed him,                      storefront window,          468 00:20:43,784 --> 00:20:45,494         gelateria, you know,                   the whole thing.           469 00:20:45,535 --> 00:20:46,325           It was terrible.           470 00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:47,790          [Alan] So, I guess                there's a moral in that.       471 00:20:47,829 --> 00:20:51,879        Don't be biking by Lana               and pinching herself.        472 00:20:51,917 --> 00:20:54,797           -Absolutely not.                        -[laughter]             473 00:20:56,421 --> 00:21:01,091  [Rob] Through a number of years,     going back to like 1967 or '68,  474 00:21:01,134 --> 00:21:03,304      Phil was just kinda resting                on his laurels            475 00:21:03,345 --> 00:21:05,845      and just had enough money,              and like, could live         476 00:21:05,889 --> 00:21:08,479           and be a hermit.           477 00:21:08,517 --> 00:21:12,477    He was kind of inconsequential           in the music business.        478 00:21:12,521 --> 00:21:14,481       But, of course, you know,      479 00:21:14,523 --> 00:21:16,693     the Beatles were the biggest                thing on Earth,           480 00:21:16,733 --> 00:21:18,283      and so that interested him.     481 00:21:18,318 --> 00:21:21,198     And the Beatles at that point            had recorded their--         482 00:21:21,238 --> 00:21:23,448  what would be their final album,              "Let it Be."             483 00:21:25,117 --> 00:21:28,157  So, the Beatles were looking for   someone to salvage this project,  484 00:21:28,203 --> 00:21:31,873        and so they brought in            Phil Spector to take this on.    485 00:21:31,915 --> 00:21:34,035           Spector produced               this sort of strange mixture     486 00:21:34,084 --> 00:21:36,094            of the Beatles                   meet the wall of sound.       487 00:21:36,128 --> 00:21:38,418         Of course, the album                  then gets a Grammy,         488 00:21:38,463 --> 00:21:41,173      and Phil Spector could say                that he produced           489 00:21:41,216 --> 00:21:43,256       the Beatles' final album.      490 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:45,602         He went on to produce            more albums with John Lennon,    491 00:21:45,637 --> 00:21:49,177    including, of course, the album         that produces the song        492 00:21:49,224 --> 00:21:52,444         which everybody knows             John Lennon by, "Imagine."      493 00:21:52,477 --> 00:21:53,937          [Mick]   Why did you                      and John get on?          494 00:21:53,979 --> 00:21:55,729   [Phil]   We just loved each other.  495 00:21:55,772 --> 00:21:56,942           A perfect marriage.         496 00:21:56,982 --> 00:21:58,282          [Mick]   What did you                     like about him?           497 00:21:58,317 --> 00:22:00,027     [Phil]   Oh, I just loved him.     498 00:22:00,068 --> 00:22:02,988            And we just loved                        each other.             499 00:22:03,030 --> 00:22:05,910        He loved the way I worked,           he loved the way I thought,     500 00:22:05,949 --> 00:22:10,909  he loved the-- he was just like             a brother I never had.       501 00:22:10,954 --> 00:22:12,754      [John Lennon]   Great working                 with you, Phil.           502 00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:14,249              Really great.            503 00:22:14,291 --> 00:22:16,251          I've worked with a lot                 of cats in my time.         504 00:22:16,293 --> 00:22:18,843                Honestly,                   it's really great, sincerely.    505 00:22:18,879 --> 00:22:22,339                Brilliant.                           [muttering]             506 00:22:22,382 --> 00:22:24,222                  -Okay.                        -[Phil] Next tune.          507 00:22:24,259 --> 00:22:27,429         [Mick] Spector served                   Lennon's songs            508 00:22:27,471 --> 00:22:30,391        and served the music on           those two albums brilliantly.    509 00:22:30,432 --> 00:22:33,522           But by this point                  we can see that Phil         510 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,230         is drinking heavily.         511 00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:38,570          It begins to impair             his faculties as a producer,     512 00:22:38,607 --> 00:22:40,727        and his concentration.        513 00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:42,106       And there are stories of,                    you know,              514 00:22:42,152 --> 00:22:44,532       Phil being in the studio,          being slightly out of control    515 00:22:44,571 --> 00:22:46,911     and slightly more drunk than             he should have been,         516 00:22:46,948 --> 00:22:49,278      and slightly more eccentric           than he should have been.      517 00:22:49,326 --> 00:22:52,366        And then as if to pour            more petrol onto the flames,     518 00:22:52,412 --> 00:22:55,172      John Lennon has been going            through a difficult time       519 00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:56,417            with Yoko Ono.            520 00:22:56,458 --> 00:22:59,418       And so, the plan is that           they're gonna record an album    521 00:22:59,461 --> 00:23:02,381       of rock and roll classics                    together.              522 00:23:02,422 --> 00:23:05,222       It soon becomes apparent                that these sessions         523 00:23:05,258 --> 00:23:06,508       are getting out of hand.       524 00:23:06,551 --> 00:23:09,681  [Don] They would get very drunk,              both of them.            525 00:23:10,639 --> 00:23:13,019        So, that made it almost               impossible, you know.        526 00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:16,228         It's like two giants                who don't give a shit.        527 00:23:16,937 --> 00:23:18,397        [Mick] Phil, of course,                  during the time           528 00:23:18,438 --> 00:23:20,358         that he was recording              the rock and roll album,       529 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:24,859      he'd actually pulled a gun,         not threatening John Lennon,     530 00:23:24,903 --> 00:23:27,073        but he'd pulled a gun,                  brandished a gun,          531 00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:29,914           and fired a shot                     into the ceiling.          532 00:23:30,992 --> 00:23:34,962     John Lennon naturally assumed             that it was blanks,         533 00:23:34,996 --> 00:23:36,286      and Lennon said, you know,      534 00:23:36,331 --> 00:23:38,961       "You're trying to damage                  me ears, Phil!"           535 00:23:40,335 --> 00:23:42,955  And it was only the next morning        when somebody came along       536 00:23:43,004 --> 00:23:44,844       and explained that they'd                prized the bullet          537 00:23:44,881 --> 00:23:47,301          out of the ceiling                      of the studio            538 00:23:47,342 --> 00:23:49,392     that they realized that this           was actually live rounds       539 00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:51,348     that he was carrying around.     540 00:23:51,388 --> 00:23:54,428      At this point Phil is deep              into his relationship        541 00:23:54,474 --> 00:23:57,064         with the lead singer               of the Ronettes, Ronnie.       542 00:23:57,102 --> 00:23:58,562        I was so in love, I...        543 00:23:58,603 --> 00:24:01,023     Even though-- listen to this,        I read, someone described him    544 00:24:01,064 --> 00:24:03,154         as "a body and pallor                  of a veal filet."          545 00:24:03,191 --> 00:24:04,991       I'm thinking, that's not            an attractive thing to say.     546 00:24:05,026 --> 00:24:06,356             But for you,                     he was your husband.         547 00:24:06,403 --> 00:24:07,573                 -Oh.                         -A man you were madly        548 00:24:07,612 --> 00:24:09,492            -in love with.                    -I was madly in love.        549 00:24:09,531 --> 00:24:12,411             I was in awe                   of his writing, of his...      550 00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:14,451         -He's a talented guy.               -Yes, of his producing.       551 00:24:14,494 --> 00:24:15,954          You can't take that                    away from him.            552 00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:17,286            Of everything.                        I was in love            553 00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:20,130       with just the way he was             in the studio with the--       554 00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:22,287         telling the musicians                     what to do.             555 00:24:22,335 --> 00:24:24,165       He did have great energy.      556 00:24:24,212 --> 00:24:27,092         He'd make you laugh,             he'd say-- make some comment.    557 00:24:27,132 --> 00:24:29,382          And then, you know,                  later in the party,         558 00:24:29,426 --> 00:24:31,756    he'd be sitting there with four        or five people around him      559 00:24:31,803 --> 00:24:33,103     and he'd be telling stories,     560 00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:37,348       and he was very magnetic,               kind of, you know.          561 00:24:37,392 --> 00:24:39,482           I mean, he didn't                     come on strong,           562 00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:42,439       but he was really into--           he had kind of a soft voice.     563 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:45,481    You'd kinda listen, and he said        very interesting things.       564 00:24:45,525 --> 00:24:47,435      The Ronettes are broken up                 by this point,            565 00:24:47,486 --> 00:24:51,906     and the relationship between        Spector and Ronnie solidifies,    566 00:24:51,948 --> 00:24:54,078        and then they do indeed                   get married.             567 00:24:54,117 --> 00:24:56,287          Ronnie, of course,             when Phil goes into retirement,  568 00:24:56,328 --> 00:24:59,328    is expecting that he's gonna be      devoting a lot of time to her    569 00:24:59,372 --> 00:25:01,832      and devoting a lot of time             to building her career.       570 00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:03,665    But that-- that doesn't happen.  571 00:25:03,710 --> 00:25:06,300             Here's a man                that owned the record company,    572 00:25:06,338 --> 00:25:08,508          wrote all my songs               and produced all my songs.      573 00:25:08,548 --> 00:25:10,548        How would I ever think              that he was gonna, like,       574 00:25:10,592 --> 00:25:13,052        just retire two months                after we got married?        575 00:25:13,094 --> 00:25:15,104             We moved into                     a 23-room mansion,          576 00:25:15,138 --> 00:25:17,308      and it was like I was taken             away from everything,        577 00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:20,939    'cause I was brought up around         family, people, liveliness.     578 00:25:20,977 --> 00:25:22,227         Then all of a sudden,                   I got married,            579 00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:23,770       it was like... darkness.       580 00:25:23,813 --> 00:25:26,273         And Phil had to have             everything dark in the house.    581 00:25:26,316 --> 00:25:27,816                I mean,                    there was no rock and roll.     582 00:25:27,859 --> 00:25:30,149    I was no longer called Ronnie.    583 00:25:30,195 --> 00:25:32,275            I was called--                    he called me Veronica        584 00:25:32,322 --> 00:25:34,162           and the servants                  called me Mrs. Spector.       585 00:25:34,199 --> 00:25:37,409       So, I believe he did that            subconsciously just to--       586 00:25:37,452 --> 00:25:39,162       so I wouldn't be thinking                 of the Ronettes           587 00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:40,464  and people would call me Ronnie.  588 00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:42,457            And that's when                  he went into a recluse.       589 00:25:42,499 --> 00:25:44,709         And so, when he went                 into recluse, I went.        590 00:25:44,751 --> 00:25:46,421              [laughing]                            You see?               591 00:25:54,594 --> 00:25:57,394       [Mick] She's allowed out               sort of periodically.        592 00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:01,643         But at the same time,           he puts this sort of inflatable  593 00:26:01,685 --> 00:26:05,935      plastic figure of a man in       the passenger seat beside her...  594 00:26:09,442 --> 00:26:12,112       so that if she goes out,                 people will think          595 00:26:12,153 --> 00:26:14,453         she's with somebody,             so nobody's gonna hit on her.    596 00:26:14,489 --> 00:26:16,119        Ronnie, you would drive            with that thing in the car?     597 00:26:16,157 --> 00:26:17,157            -Yes, I would.                            -Why?                598 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,950          Gayle, I would have                     done anything            599 00:26:18,994 --> 00:26:20,664       to get out of the house.       600 00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:23,584      So, the only way to get out         was with the inflatable man,     601 00:26:23,623 --> 00:26:26,083           and it was better               than not going out at all.      602 00:26:28,545 --> 00:26:31,085         And then, of course,                in order to sort of...        603 00:26:32,132 --> 00:26:33,552           in order to build                    his sort of idea           604 00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:36,852      of what a family should be,          what a marriage should be,      605 00:26:36,886 --> 00:26:38,466    he decides they need children.    606 00:26:38,513 --> 00:26:42,603      So, he brings home a baby,          Donte, who's an adopted son.     607 00:26:42,642 --> 00:26:46,862       Well, Ronnie held to that           Donte was hers for a while.     608 00:26:46,896 --> 00:26:48,226    If Ronnie said she's pregnant,    609 00:26:48,273 --> 00:26:51,283         what-- why shouldn't               I believe she's pregnant?      610 00:26:51,318 --> 00:26:53,738    She's gonna have a baby, and...  611 00:26:53,778 --> 00:26:56,448           then years later,                 "Oh, I didn't have him.       612 00:26:56,489 --> 00:26:58,239          He got him for me."         613 00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:01,703          You don't get kids                       for a gift.             614 00:27:01,745 --> 00:27:04,365  Now, the twins were a little bit          of a different story.        615 00:27:04,414 --> 00:27:06,214             Then, I think                     she was mad at him,         616 00:27:06,249 --> 00:27:09,839         because she was like,         "He gave me them for Christmas."  617 00:27:11,379 --> 00:27:14,759    Like somebody gave you a puppy,              two puppies.             618 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:19,014          This is not normal.                  This is not normal.         619 00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:25,765     [Mick] Phil tries to keep her          away from everybody else.      620 00:27:28,063 --> 00:27:30,943           She's in a pretty                    despairing state.          621 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,950        And she finally decides              that she has to escape.       622 00:27:37,155 --> 00:27:39,195       She had her mom with her.      623 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,990        That probably gave her                    the courage.             624 00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:46,043          He took her shoes.          625 00:27:46,081 --> 00:27:47,421        They escaped that way,        626 00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:50,787     and she was running barefoot                  from Phil.              627 00:27:53,254 --> 00:27:56,974    I don't know how far she went,                how she went,            628 00:27:57,008 --> 00:27:59,178     but I know she left barefoot.    629 00:28:05,517 --> 00:28:06,687     [Mick] I mean, this was the--    630 00:28:06,726 --> 00:28:08,516       I mean, it was completely             unreasonable behavior,        631 00:28:08,561 --> 00:28:10,271    completely irrational behavior.  632 00:28:10,313 --> 00:28:13,113           Insane behavior.                     Insane behavior.           633 00:28:13,149 --> 00:28:15,069              So, I think                     she was very relieved        634 00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:16,610          to get out of that.         635 00:28:16,653 --> 00:28:20,243      All the situations that you         usually hear about with Phil,    636 00:28:20,281 --> 00:28:21,531          he's the aggressor.         637 00:28:21,574 --> 00:28:23,914           And then there's              the Leonard Cohen story, right?  638 00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:31,080       This is their first day,           they worked together all day.    639 00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:33,496         Now it's about 6:00.         640 00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:35,335  And so, Leonard says, "You know,  641 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:36,550  it was a kind of stressful day,"  642 00:28:36,589 --> 00:28:38,259         and whatever it was,              and I was a little tired."      643 00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:41,299      And so, they got this song,           and Phil says to Leonard,      644 00:28:41,344 --> 00:28:44,724       he says, "Go out and put            a vocal on this, will you?"     645 00:28:44,764 --> 00:28:46,474       And Leonard looks at Phil                   and says...             646 00:28:46,516 --> 00:28:48,806            [clicks tongue]                   "You know what, Phil,        647 00:28:48,852 --> 00:28:50,902       I'd really appreciate it            if I could do it tomorrow."     648 00:28:50,937 --> 00:28:52,517     He said, "I'm a little tired,              I don't feel like          649 00:28:52,564 --> 00:28:53,984            I could give it                 what I need to give it."       650 00:28:54,023 --> 00:28:56,363      And Phil reaches in his bag             and takes out a gun,         651 00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:59,321          and just sticks it               to Leonard's head and says,     652 00:28:59,362 --> 00:29:01,872         "You're gonna go out                  and sing this now."         653 00:29:01,906 --> 00:29:04,776           And it was like,               that's the first day, right?     654 00:29:04,826 --> 00:29:05,866               [scoffs]               655 00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:08,120    And they kept working together,         and I said to Leonard,        656 00:29:08,163 --> 00:29:10,123        why didn't you just say                    that's it?              657 00:29:10,165 --> 00:29:11,495               He said,                   "Because it was fascinating."    658 00:29:11,541 --> 00:29:13,591          He said, "There was                    an electricity            659 00:29:13,626 --> 00:29:14,956           "and a chemistry,                       and a thing             660 00:29:15,003 --> 00:29:17,173          that seemed worthy               of chasing down the road."      661 00:29:17,213 --> 00:29:18,633          He said, "And this                    was Phil Spector,          662 00:29:18,673 --> 00:29:20,723      this wasn't just some guy,"                   you know.              663 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,139     And he said, "So, I felt like    664 00:29:22,177 --> 00:29:23,967        I had to follow through                     with it."              665 00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:26,773       [Mick] So, these stories                begin to multiply.          666 00:29:26,806 --> 00:29:29,676       Phil Spector, the genius,              begins to be eclipsed        667 00:29:29,726 --> 00:29:33,476    by Phil Spector, the crazy guy,        Phil Spector, the madman.      668 00:29:33,521 --> 00:29:36,611      It was a life that revolved            largely around alcohol        669 00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:40,779       and a life that revolved        around him being out of control.  670 00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:43,450        And every now and again          somebody would throw a lifeline  671 00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:48,290      of, "Can you produce this,"      or "Why don't you produce that?"  672 00:29:48,328 --> 00:29:49,828       And that's what happened       673 00:29:49,871 --> 00:29:51,711        with what's essentially                 his final record,          674 00:29:51,748 --> 00:29:53,998           his last hurrah,                     with the Ramones.          675 00:29:55,001 --> 00:29:59,711      [Phil]   In 1980, Joey Ramone            came to me, rest his soul,     676 00:29:59,756 --> 00:30:02,506                and said,                   "Phil, would you produce us?"    677 00:30:02,550 --> 00:30:06,430        He was like a-- a big fan,     678 00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:08,931            and he idolized me                      and all that.            679 00:30:08,973 --> 00:30:11,273          And I said, you know,                    it might be fun           680 00:30:11,309 --> 00:30:14,649      to produce a punk rock group.    681 00:30:14,687 --> 00:30:17,437      [Mick] I think Phil's role                 and perception            682 00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:19,032    of what the producer should be    683 00:30:19,067 --> 00:30:22,527        very quickly had become               a thing of the past.         684 00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:25,570     He really was very, very slow           to pick up on the idea        685 00:30:25,615 --> 00:30:28,615           that he was there                to facilitate the artist,      686 00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:33,330     and wanted to impose himself                on the Ramones.           687 00:30:35,124 --> 00:30:40,214        Well, working with Phil           is very difficult, because...    688 00:30:40,964 --> 00:30:42,514                [sighs]                   I guess he's a perfectionist,    689 00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:44,179         so he likes to spend                     a lot of time            690 00:30:44,217 --> 00:30:46,087            redoing things                      and relistening,           691 00:30:46,135 --> 00:30:47,925     and it's very time-consuming.    692 00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:50,681       It comes very hard for--               I mean, rock and roll        693 00:30:50,723 --> 00:30:53,433       has gotta be spontaneous             and done a little faster.      694 00:30:53,476 --> 00:30:54,476    [Mick] They came up with a song  695 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,229         called "Rock 'N' Roll                    High School."            696 00:30:56,271 --> 00:30:57,771         [school bell ringing]        697 00:30:57,814 --> 00:31:00,234         Rock, rock, rock, rock,            rock and roll high school      698 00:31:00,275 --> 00:31:02,935       Rock, rock, rock, rock, rock           and roll high school        699 00:31:02,986 --> 00:31:07,316       It was a hit, but I think           Phil's satisfaction from it     700 00:31:07,365 --> 00:31:09,485           was very limited.          701 00:31:09,534 --> 00:31:10,914              [explosion]             702 00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:14,542           Phil seems to be                    frustrated with us.         703 00:31:14,581 --> 00:31:16,461        I think he's frustrated               with himself, really.        704 00:31:16,499 --> 00:31:18,629           The Ramones thing                was not a piece of cake.       705 00:31:18,668 --> 00:31:20,878  I mean, that was a nasty project            in a lot of ways.          706 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,210            They had a lot                    of trouble with him.         707 00:31:22,255 --> 00:31:25,795     That was a big factor in Phil        sort of throwing in his hand     708 00:31:25,842 --> 00:31:29,052     as a-- in the record business           and saying, "That's it.       709 00:31:29,095 --> 00:31:31,845    "You know, I'm gonna walk away                 from that.              710 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:33,430          "I've made a record                  that's been a hit.          711 00:31:33,474 --> 00:31:36,604  "I don't know where I'm gonna go           now in the studio.          712 00:31:36,644 --> 00:31:38,564          "I don't know where              I'm gonna go as a producer.     713 00:31:38,605 --> 00:31:40,725          Maybe I'm finished                     as a producer."           714 00:31:40,773 --> 00:31:43,653         He seemed like a man                 walking his last mile        715 00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:47,203      doing our record, you know,                  that grim.              716 00:31:47,238 --> 00:31:49,868     [out-of-tune guitar playing]     717 00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:54,748             You've lost that                     loving feeling           718 00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:03,245       Whoa, that loving feeling     719 00:32:04,631 --> 00:32:08,011        You know, somebody once               asked me a question.         720 00:32:08,551 --> 00:32:13,061         They said, "Philip--"                 excuse me, camera.          721 00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:19,772    They said, "Philip, aren't you          lonely in this big house?      722 00:32:22,482 --> 00:32:24,322         "Must be very lonely.        723 00:32:28,071 --> 00:32:31,411          "All of them rooms                   to roam around in.          724 00:32:33,284 --> 00:32:36,004       Damn, it must be lonely."      725 00:32:39,374 --> 00:32:41,504       And you know what I said?      726 00:32:42,377 --> 00:32:44,837      You ever live in one room?      727 00:32:46,255 --> 00:32:48,715             Very lonely.             728 00:32:48,758 --> 00:32:53,348      Just you and the bathroom,              and you and the sink,        729 00:32:53,388 --> 00:32:54,848          you and the toilet.         730 00:32:54,889 --> 00:32:57,809              Loneliness                       is a state of mind.         731 00:32:58,726 --> 00:33:00,766     He didn't want you to go home          at the end of the night.       732 00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:02,022            He was lonely.            733 00:33:02,063 --> 00:33:05,653      So, you had to be prepared                    for that.              734 00:33:05,692 --> 00:33:06,942    I certainly remember one night,  735 00:33:06,985 --> 00:33:10,105       and we were at one of his            favorite hamburger places      736 00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:11,574           on the east side.          737 00:33:11,614 --> 00:33:13,374            It's about 3:00                      in the morning.           738 00:33:13,408 --> 00:33:14,908                I said,                     "Phil, I gotta go home."       739 00:33:14,951 --> 00:33:17,661       He said, "Don't you know,           you're not going anywhere."     740 00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:21,714           I said, "I got--               I gotta work in the morning."    741 00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:23,499       You know, he didn't like                 people to leave.           742 00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:25,463            He didn't like                  the chemistry to change.       743 00:33:25,503 --> 00:33:27,553       I got an inkling of that       744 00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:31,628     when I was kind of a prisoner                  in a bar.              745 00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:34,136          We were all singing                  "Irene, Goodnight,"         746 00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:36,888      and I said, "I gotta drive                my kid to school           747 00:33:36,931 --> 00:33:38,521          in a couple hours."         748 00:33:38,558 --> 00:33:39,928         And he said, "No, no,                    don't leave.             749 00:33:39,976 --> 00:33:42,016        You know, you'll change          the chemistry of the singing."    750 00:33:42,061 --> 00:33:44,441       I mean, I had to pretend              to go to the men's room       751 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,860      and sneak out the back door     752 00:33:45,898 --> 00:33:48,068         'cause it was getting                light out, you know.         753 00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:52,529        But I-- boy, I thought,            wow, he's serious about it.     754 00:33:54,115 --> 00:33:58,575         We'd interviewed Phil             for "All You Need is Love."     755 00:33:58,619 --> 00:34:01,369    I mean, we'd finished talking.    756 00:34:01,414 --> 00:34:02,924           He didn't want us                     to go anywhere.           757 00:34:02,957 --> 00:34:04,667     I said, "Well, we have to go,    758 00:34:04,709 --> 00:34:06,709       because tomorrow morning,               we've got-- 8:00,"          759 00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:08,843            blah-blah-blah,                       usual things.            760 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,340       And he was doing his best                  to detain us,            761 00:34:12,383 --> 00:34:15,263    and said, "Well, would you like        to do another interview?"      762 00:34:15,303 --> 00:34:16,353                  No.                 763 00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:18,347      He didn't want us to leave.     764 00:34:26,814 --> 00:34:29,234        [Paul] Over the course                of the investigation,        765 00:34:29,275 --> 00:34:32,235     we learned that Phil Spector                really enjoyed            766 00:34:32,278 --> 00:34:35,108      bringing people to his home           and locking them inside.       767 00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:36,906             And this came                   from multiple sources.        768 00:34:36,949 --> 00:34:39,829     This came from actual people             that were locked in.         769 00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:42,459           This came from--                  his regular limo driver       770 00:34:42,497 --> 00:34:43,827        would say he would have                    to come in              771 00:34:43,873 --> 00:34:45,083      and basically rescue them,      772 00:34:45,124 --> 00:34:47,884        sometimes open windows               so they could get out.        773 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,799           He had some sort                     of configuration           774 00:34:49,837 --> 00:34:53,007         where he had one door               that you would walk in,       775 00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:55,889           that would lock,               and then a second door area,     776 00:34:55,927 --> 00:34:57,717     kinda like the jails we have,    777 00:34:57,762 --> 00:35:00,432         and people would not                  be able to get out.         778 00:35:04,143 --> 00:35:07,523          As an investigator,               we are absolutely looking      779 00:35:07,563 --> 00:35:10,733             to the victim                   and take detailed notes       780 00:35:10,775 --> 00:35:12,855     as to the position she's in.     781 00:35:12,902 --> 00:35:15,782        Lana Clarkson was lying                   in the chair             782 00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:17,242          in that foyer area.         783 00:35:17,281 --> 00:35:20,241            She had a purse                 slung over her shoulder.       784 00:35:20,284 --> 00:35:23,044            Why was she in                  that particular position?      785 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:24,789        I mean, that leads you                     to believe              786 00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:27,001        someone's in a position          where they wanna leave already.  787 00:35:27,041 --> 00:35:31,751    Her butt basically was scooched     to the very edge of the chair.    788 00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:34,836       Her feet were completely               out in front of her,         789 00:35:34,882 --> 00:35:36,682        and she was lying back.       790 00:35:36,717 --> 00:35:38,847           It was determined                 that the gunshot wound        791 00:35:38,886 --> 00:35:42,676    was such that she wouldn't have            been able to move          792 00:35:42,723 --> 00:35:45,483           after sustaining                    that gunshot wound.         793 00:35:50,064 --> 00:35:52,074        [Mick] Phil saw himself                   as the figure            794 00:35:52,108 --> 00:35:55,148       that the record business              turned their backs on.        795 00:35:56,362 --> 00:35:58,662         And then, of course,               he certainly saw himself       796 00:35:58,698 --> 00:36:01,238      as the martyr in the murder               of Lana Clarkson.          797 00:36:01,284 --> 00:36:03,244          He sort of thought                    that he was being          798 00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:07,326    sort of victimized in some way           for being Phil Spector.       799 00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:10,963    The actions of the Hitler-like              district attorney          800 00:36:11,002 --> 00:36:13,212    and his storm-trooping henchmen  801 00:36:13,254 --> 00:36:15,344         to seek an indictment                     against me              802 00:36:15,381 --> 00:36:18,591         and censor all means               of me getting my evidence      803 00:36:18,634 --> 00:36:21,104           and the truth out                   are reprehensible,          804 00:36:21,137 --> 00:36:23,257            unconscionable,                      and despicable.           805 00:36:23,306 --> 00:36:25,766        He was making comments                    to the media             806 00:36:25,808 --> 00:36:28,598     such as, "She killed herself.    807 00:36:28,644 --> 00:36:29,774      "Who does she think she is?     808 00:36:29,812 --> 00:36:31,862         Why would she do that                    in my house?"            809 00:36:31,898 --> 00:36:34,358               No crime                     was committed at my home       810 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,360        on February 3rd, 2003,        811 00:36:36,402 --> 00:36:38,992            and the public                 will find that out as well,     812 00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:40,320    and that this district attorney  813 00:36:40,364 --> 00:36:44,044    is pursuing a personal vendetta            without evidence.          814 00:36:44,076 --> 00:36:45,286          I don't like that.          815 00:36:45,328 --> 00:36:47,368           I don't like that                 you're trying the case        816 00:36:47,413 --> 00:36:48,623        outside the courtroom.        817 00:36:48,664 --> 00:36:51,044      It's not for me to explain      818 00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:55,963        why she took her life.        819 00:36:56,005 --> 00:36:57,585      It's only for me to explain     820 00:36:57,632 --> 00:36:59,342          that I had nothing                     to do with it.            821 00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:01,053            When they start                  talking about suicide,        822 00:37:01,093 --> 00:37:03,853        then you have to start               disproving the suicide.       823 00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:06,348        You do wanna make sure                  it didn't happen.          824 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,680             We have to go                   through Lana Clarkson.        825 00:37:08,726 --> 00:37:11,806         We have to find out,                  was she depressed?          826 00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:14,274      Has she ever done anything                to hurt herself?           827 00:37:14,315 --> 00:37:17,235          Does she own guns?               What is her usual routine?      828 00:37:17,276 --> 00:37:19,946         Who are her friends?             What did they have to offer?     829 00:37:19,987 --> 00:37:23,447      So, there was just a myriad           of things we didn't know.      830 00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:27,161       Lana was doing modeling,          and she ended up going to Italy  831 00:37:27,203 --> 00:37:29,123         and doing quite a bit                 of modeling there,          832 00:37:29,163 --> 00:37:31,083           and she had a lot                    of fun with that.          833 00:37:31,123 --> 00:37:33,293     And then, when she came back                 after a year,            834 00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:36,634     she decided she was actually          more interested in acting.      835 00:37:36,671 --> 00:37:39,841          When we first met,                      she was doing            836 00:37:39,882 --> 00:37:42,052     everything that you would do               as a young woman           837 00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:43,433    wanting to become a movie star.  838 00:37:43,469 --> 00:37:47,809    "Fast Times at Ridgemont High"       was one of those opportunities.  839 00:37:47,848 --> 00:37:51,598          Boys, I'd like you              to meet my wife, Mrs. Vargas.    840 00:37:51,644 --> 00:37:52,694                  Hi.                 841 00:37:52,728 --> 00:37:55,558         [Nili] She was doing                   "Fantasy Island."          842 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,650           "Who's the Boss?"          843 00:38:01,904 --> 00:38:04,204           On t-shirt night,                 I do everything I read.       844 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,580         [Nili] She was doing             all of these wonderful roles     845 00:38:06,617 --> 00:38:10,407        where she was the sexy           blonde bombshell that came in,    846 00:38:10,454 --> 00:38:13,294      and everybody's head turned                  to see her.             847 00:38:13,332 --> 00:38:15,252       -I used to be an actress.                    -Uh-huh.               848 00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:19,553          But now, I'm like,                  really into justice.         849 00:38:19,588 --> 00:38:22,128              [laughter]              850 00:38:22,174 --> 00:38:25,394        Being a six-foot blonde             has pluses and negatives.      851 00:38:25,428 --> 00:38:29,428             Here she is,                   this tall, gorgeous girl,      852 00:38:29,473 --> 00:38:32,563       so there's a lot of roles            that she could not play.       853 00:38:32,601 --> 00:38:35,021      So, she would get typecast.     854 00:38:35,062 --> 00:38:37,902      She couldn't help the fact            that she had these looks       855 00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:39,690           and this stature.          856 00:38:40,401 --> 00:38:41,821            When you walked                    in a room with her,         857 00:38:41,861 --> 00:38:43,111       everybody turned around.       858 00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:45,614     It makes life more difficult.    859 00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:47,616    She put up with a lot of shit,    860 00:38:47,658 --> 00:38:49,908           as all attractive          861 00:38:49,952 --> 00:38:53,542      young actresses did and do.     862 00:38:53,581 --> 00:38:55,831       It's sad, but emblematic       863 00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:59,045           of how that works                      in Hollywood.            864 00:38:59,086 --> 00:39:02,836       She would talk about how            she would have good intent      865 00:39:02,882 --> 00:39:04,342    and she would be with somebody,  866 00:39:04,383 --> 00:39:06,973             and then all              they were interested in was sex,  867 00:39:07,011 --> 00:39:09,601    and like, she thought there was         more to the situation,        868 00:39:09,638 --> 00:39:10,968      and then got disappointed.      869 00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:12,925        And like, no, she went               through a lot of that.        870 00:39:12,975 --> 00:39:15,555    It's not the song, sweetheart,              it's the singer.           871 00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:16,443              [chuckles]              872 00:39:16,479 --> 00:39:18,939           [Rob] She was in                 this whole social strata.      873 00:39:18,981 --> 00:39:21,031              I saw that,                     and I discouraged it,        874 00:39:21,067 --> 00:39:22,187      and I just said, you know,      875 00:39:22,234 --> 00:39:24,244        this is gonna bite you              in the ass at some point,      876 00:39:24,278 --> 00:39:26,568        you know, so you gotta                     be careful.             877 00:39:27,782 --> 00:39:30,872    [Sergio] There were times when,      you know, I could tell she--     878 00:39:30,910 --> 00:39:34,120         she was either pissed                     or bummed.              879 00:39:34,622 --> 00:39:37,542     She pretty much did the water          off a duck's back thing.       880 00:39:37,583 --> 00:39:40,923       it was like, "Yeah, fine,               whatever, fuck you,         881 00:39:40,961 --> 00:39:42,961         I'll make it anyway."        882 00:39:43,005 --> 00:39:50,045     And I think that was perhaps           her most durable quality       883 00:39:50,096 --> 00:39:52,556         with regard to having               to put up with the shit       884 00:39:52,598 --> 00:39:54,598       that Hollywood engenders.      885 00:39:54,642 --> 00:39:55,852         I don't remember Lana        886 00:39:55,893 --> 00:39:58,153    discussing doing this and that    887 00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:01,767    in order to get to that place.    888 00:40:01,816 --> 00:40:03,776          We worked very hard         889 00:40:03,818 --> 00:40:06,148            and we studied,                       we prepared,             890 00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:10,905           hoping to perhaps                    win this lottery           891 00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:13,370          that is Hollywood.          892 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:16,121     I met Lana for the first time    893 00:40:16,163 --> 00:40:18,003          during the audition         894 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,790             for a picture                   called "Deathstalker."        895 00:40:22,294 --> 00:40:26,054       Lana fit the description                    perfectly.              896 00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:30,260        She almost had the role            before she even auditioned.     897 00:40:30,302 --> 00:40:34,642       I saw her as she came in,              and I said that's it.        898 00:40:34,682 --> 00:40:38,142          And she turned out               to be a very good actress,      899 00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:41,765        and I was very pleased                with her performance.        900 00:40:43,732 --> 00:40:49,862     I felt we had a leading lady      who could play a female warrior,  901 00:40:49,905 --> 00:40:53,275           so I came up with                   "Barbarian Queen."          902 00:40:53,325 --> 00:40:55,405         ANNOUNCER: One woman                     vows revenge.            903 00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:58,253             Lana Clarkson                  is the "Barbarian Queen."      904 00:40:58,289 --> 00:40:59,829    [Lana] I'll be no man's slave,    905 00:40:59,874 --> 00:41:01,044     and if I can't kill them all,    906 00:41:01,083 --> 00:41:03,043             by the gods,                   they'll know I've tried.       907 00:41:03,085 --> 00:41:06,335           "Barbarian Queen"                  was a solid success,         908 00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:11,390        and this was her chance              for first star billing.       909 00:41:11,427 --> 00:41:14,637      She took it very seriously.     910 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,680         Both Lana and I felt                that "Barbarian Queen"        911 00:41:18,726 --> 00:41:24,516        would be launching her               as a full-fledged star.       912 00:41:25,024 --> 00:41:28,994          Lana had a presence                that was very powerful.       913 00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:30,698        Say nothing, my child.        914 00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:34,448    There was something sympathetic           within her as well.         915 00:41:34,492 --> 00:41:38,162             The strength,               vulnerability, I would call it,  916 00:41:38,204 --> 00:41:41,004        the audience loved her.       917 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,460           But I'll make you                    this one promise.          918 00:41:44,668 --> 00:41:46,798             We will win!             919 00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:49,667            [all cheering]            920 00:41:54,261 --> 00:41:55,681          [people chattering]         921 00:41:55,721 --> 00:41:58,101         [Mick] Lana Clarkson               was building her career,       922 00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:01,350     and she was a working actress           and successful actress        923 00:42:01,393 --> 00:42:03,903        at around the same time             Phil Spector was somebody      924 00:42:03,938 --> 00:42:05,648        whose star had fallen.        925 00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:10,823       And he's also devastated              when John Lennon died.        926 00:42:10,861 --> 00:42:13,161    Just after the Ramones record.    927 00:42:13,197 --> 00:42:14,657               I'm sure                       that was a big factor        928 00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:17,118      in Phil sort of throwing in                his hand as a--           929 00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:18,239        in the record business.       930 00:42:18,285 --> 00:42:20,075    That was the death of a friend,            death of somebody          931 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,080           that he'd loved,              and somebody that he'd admired.  932 00:42:23,123 --> 00:42:25,633          It then turned out             to be effectively the end of--    933 00:42:25,668 --> 00:42:28,838      the end of Spector's career             as a record producer,        934 00:42:28,879 --> 00:42:31,049     and he retreated, basically.     935 00:42:32,007 --> 00:42:35,387         He's becoming a more                   isolated figure,           936 00:42:35,427 --> 00:42:37,467             and as such,                    he's becoming a figure        937 00:42:37,513 --> 00:42:39,643         of increasing gossip                    and speculation           938 00:42:39,682 --> 00:42:41,682          about his behavior,                    and who he is,            939 00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:44,435            and the stories                 are beginning to spread.       940 00:42:46,021 --> 00:42:48,571        [Phil]   I wasn't insane,       941 00:42:48,607 --> 00:42:52,187         but I wasn't well enough                    to function             942 00:42:52,236 --> 00:42:54,946      as a regular part of society.    943 00:42:54,989 --> 00:42:58,579              So, I didn't.                        I chose not to.           944 00:42:58,617 --> 00:43:03,247            So, I just sort of                  struggled along alone,       945 00:43:03,289 --> 00:43:08,209          and chose to not work,       946 00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:10,632           and I chose to raise                      a daughter,             947 00:43:10,671 --> 00:43:14,341            and I chose to get                    my life on track.          948 00:43:14,383 --> 00:43:16,643       And it took about 10 years.     949 00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:21,561        Breakthrough was recently.             Recently, only recently.      950 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,849        And I did it more because             I was determined to do it      951 00:43:24,893 --> 00:43:26,443         because of my daughter,       952 00:43:26,478 --> 00:43:28,808           'cause I wanted her                     to look up to me          953 00:43:28,856 --> 00:43:33,436           and say this is what               a reasonable man is like,      954 00:43:33,485 --> 00:43:37,815      so she could have a reasonable           relationship with me.        955 00:43:39,533 --> 00:43:41,293        He did talk to me a lot                 about medication.          956 00:43:41,327 --> 00:43:44,537      I mean, he never would say,         like, "Speaking of that time     957 00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:46,290         "I was in the studio,                    and I acted,             958 00:43:46,332 --> 00:43:49,132      "you know, like, unhinged,      959 00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:50,458            I wasn't taking                      my medication."           960 00:43:50,502 --> 00:43:54,052      You know, he didn't, like,            go into these analytical       961 00:43:54,089 --> 00:43:56,089  explorative paths about himself.  962 00:43:56,133 --> 00:43:57,593            But we did talk                    about mental health         963 00:43:57,635 --> 00:44:00,635  and the importance of medication           and therapy a lot.          964 00:44:02,348 --> 00:44:06,598     He was told when he was young        that he was manic depressive.    965 00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:08,444      I don't know if that's just               the best language          966 00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:09,559     they had for it at the time,     967 00:44:09,605 --> 00:44:12,855      and later he was diagnosed                   as bipolar.             968 00:44:14,985 --> 00:44:16,525     There were times in his life     969 00:44:16,570 --> 00:44:20,910     when I think he was probably             mixing his medication        970 00:44:20,949 --> 00:44:24,499    with alcohol, which you're just           not supposed to do.         971 00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:31,376       During our investigation,              a few people told us         972 00:44:31,418 --> 00:44:34,338        that from 1997 to 2002,       973 00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:37,550        Phil Spector completely             stopped drinking alcohol.      974 00:44:37,591 --> 00:44:41,601      However, it appears in 2002           he began drinking again.       975 00:44:41,637 --> 00:44:42,807     Now, why was this a concern?     976 00:44:42,846 --> 00:44:46,226      Phil Spector had been under                 doctor's care            977 00:44:46,266 --> 00:44:47,636      and prescribed medication.      978 00:44:48,936 --> 00:44:53,976       [Paul] We recovered a ton             of drugs at the house--       979 00:44:54,024 --> 00:44:55,944       prescription medications,                    a bunch.               980 00:44:55,984 --> 00:45:00,954       But ultimately, they did            a toxicology report on him,     981 00:45:00,989 --> 00:45:04,119     and he came up with a couple           of things in his system,       982 00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,159           but it was mostly                  his alcohol content.         983 00:45:07,204 --> 00:45:10,044          I don't think that                 that made him violent.        984 00:45:10,082 --> 00:45:12,922        I think it made him...        985 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,670               erratic.               986 00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:34,860       Now, it's very important               that people recognize        987 00:45:34,898 --> 00:45:37,318           that doesn't mean                  you become homicidal.        988 00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:38,859      It means you become manic.      989 00:45:38,902 --> 00:45:43,162          It means you become                 possibly delusional.         990 00:45:43,198 --> 00:45:45,658       He's gonna say something                    he regrets.             991 00:45:45,701 --> 00:45:50,331         You know, he's going                    to act bizarre.           992 00:45:50,372 --> 00:45:51,832         I mean, if you listen                   to those tapes,           993 00:45:51,874 --> 00:45:54,754              he comes up                 with all kinds of crazy shit.    994 00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:04,677         That's just not true.        995 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,560      That's megalomania, right?      996 00:46:06,597 --> 00:46:08,517             That's having                      a manic episode.           997 00:46:08,557 --> 00:46:10,727         So, you're gonna say                 all kinds of things.         998 00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:13,848  That's why you just have to look       at what the evidence says.      999 00:46:13,896 --> 00:46:17,226      Don't listen to the person,             look at the evidence.        1000 00:46:17,274 --> 00:46:18,984          A tragedy happened,         1001 00:46:19,026 --> 00:46:22,236      but it could have happened               in anybody's house.         1002 00:46:22,279 --> 00:46:24,619         I mean, it has to be                 because of who I am.         1003 00:46:24,656 --> 00:46:26,326          It has to be 'cause                  I live in a castle.         1004 00:46:26,366 --> 00:46:28,576       It has to be a frame-up,       1005 00:46:28,619 --> 00:46:32,289        because it's not based                  on real evidence.          1006 00:46:33,749 --> 00:46:37,169          I had nothing to do                    with her death.           1007 00:46:37,211 --> 00:46:39,881             Case closed.             1008 00:46:40,422 --> 00:46:43,882       [Paul] We did a forensic        psychological background on her.  1009 00:46:43,926 --> 00:46:48,596           There was nobody                  as far as close friends       1010 00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:53,229      or family members who said           Lana Clarkson was suicidal,     1011 00:46:53,268 --> 00:46:55,648         that she ever talked                    about suicide.            1012 00:46:55,687 --> 00:46:58,107           Lana never talked                    about self-harm.           1013 00:46:58,148 --> 00:47:01,398    And why would a beautiful woman  1014 00:47:01,443 --> 00:47:04,913       in the prime of her life                  commit suicide            1015 00:47:04,947 --> 00:47:09,027        in a stranger's house,                   of all places?            1016 00:47:09,076 --> 00:47:10,656        It would never happen.        1017 00:47:11,703 --> 00:47:15,043       [Richard] One thing that                  I took note of            1018 00:47:15,082 --> 00:47:15,832          during the autopsy,         1019 00:47:15,874 --> 00:47:18,544           she had a bruise                      on her tongue.            1020 00:47:18,585 --> 00:47:20,705              Now, to me,                      that would indicate         1021 00:47:20,754 --> 00:47:23,424          the gun was forced                     into her mouth.           1022 00:47:23,966 --> 00:47:25,506    If you're gonna kill yourself,          are you gonna jam the gun      1023 00:47:25,551 --> 00:47:27,391            in your mouth?                        I don't know.            1024 00:47:29,471 --> 00:47:31,851        [Paul] You start adding          all these things up over time,    1025 00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:34,560       you realize that it made                absolutely no sense         1026 00:47:34,601 --> 00:47:37,101         that this young lady                would take her own life       1027 00:47:37,145 --> 00:47:38,725          in this situation.          1028 00:47:38,772 --> 00:47:40,322     I'm not the one sitting there    1029 00:47:40,357 --> 00:47:42,817          having to prove it                   in front of a jury,         1030 00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:46,200           but I felt we had                  overwhelming evidence        1031 00:47:46,238 --> 00:47:48,698    to support that Spector did it.  1032 00:47:51,493 --> 00:47:54,503       [Nicole] The city dumped                  a lot of money            1033 00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:58,078           into making sure                  that they got somebody.       1034 00:47:58,125 --> 00:47:59,875       They finally had someone       1035 00:47:59,918 --> 00:48:03,958             who had this                        sinister past,            1036 00:48:04,006 --> 00:48:09,176       so, I mean, that was like          the vultures were descending.    1037 00:48:09,219 --> 00:48:11,219           He was easy prey.          1038 00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:22,359                I'm sorry                         that I met you           1039 00:48:24,526 --> 00:48:31,196       Now I only just regret you   1040 00:48:31,241 --> 00:48:35,041          I remember the night       1041 00:48:35,078 --> 00:48:41,038              When you first                    held me tight, oh          1042 00:48:41,084 --> 00:48:46,804              Now, I'm sorry                      that I met you           1043 00:48:49,176 --> 00:48:54,556                I was lost                       in the hurricane          1044 00:48:54,598 --> 00:49:11,358          La-la-la, la, la-la        133549

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