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warning : cigarette smoking scenes present
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narrator: here in Kiev in recent days
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the Maidan - the independence square
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has turned into a full-scale war zone
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more clashes in Ukraine's capital Kiev
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there is absolutely no doubt that snipers
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are working here. I counted 10 bodies
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Viktor Yanukovich: even today we don't know
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who shot those people. that is the problem
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reporter: now on the brink of civil war
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at least 70 dead so far
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and the death toll is rising
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Vitaliy Zaharchenko: these technologies
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I repeat, no country is safe from them
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reporter: what we saw here today was a revolution
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a scream in the crowd: hail to Ukraine
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Putin: want to know what's happening in Ukraine?
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Victoria Nuland: we have spent over 5 billion dollars to assist Ukraine
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Vitaliy Zaharchenko: in big politics
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whatever they're talking about
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they are talking about money
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Oliver Stone: NATO has expanded by 13 countries
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up to the borders of Russia. 13 countries
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narrator: the focus has to be not allowing
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this crisis to turn into a hot war
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between Ukraine and Russia
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Viktor Yanukovich: this is a dangerous topic
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we're talking about war
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no one should feel safe today
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narrator: Ukraine
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it's an ancient and proud land
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with a rich history
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filled with much beauty
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heroism and sacrifice
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Ukraine is a border land
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a place where east meets west
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this is the flag of Ukraine
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the blue represents the sky
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the gold is seeming endless fields of wheat
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Ukraine is a prize many have sought
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and much blood was spilled in a quest to posess it
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Ukraine has been the path for the western countries
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as they attempted to conquer the east
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in world war I
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and in world war II
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and every time the ukrainian people payed
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the highest price for this grand games of power
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history doesn't repeat but it surely rhymes
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said mark twain
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looking closely to the history of Ukraine
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one will notice many rhymes
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being surrounded by stronger powers
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ukrainians needed a lot of cunning to survive
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the art they truly mastered in time
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was the art of changing sides
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In the middle of the 17th century
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ukrainian leader Bogdan Khmelnitskiy
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broke the peace they made with Poland
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and sided with more powerful Russia
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just over 50 years later
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as the Russian-swedish war was raging
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another ukrainian leader Ivan Mazepa
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broke the union with Russia and switched sides
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joining forces with the swedish invaders
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many times ukrainian history
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was written by third parties
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seeking to keep the gains of the revolution
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Russia agreed to the humiliating Brest-Litovsky peace of 1918
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which turned Ukraine into a german protectorate
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another historical document
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that changed the fate of Ukraine
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was the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of 1939
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one of many such agreements being signed
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between european countries and rising Germany
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attempting to protect his nation
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from the approaching Nazi threat
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Joseph Stalin negotiated a treaty
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of non-aggression with Adolf Hitler
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while promising each other peace
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soviet and german foreign ministers
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molotov and ribbentrop
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divided the map of eastern Europe splitting it
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into german and soviet spheres of influence
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as soon as the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was signed
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Poland was split
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and in September of 1939
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eastern Poland became the western Ukraine
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and a part of the family of the soviet republics
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and the USSR
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but even this bold dividing of land
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only delayed the war
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Germany broke its promise to the USSR
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on June 22nd 1941 Germany invaded the USSR
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and launched 'Barbarossa'
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the largest military operation in world history
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barbarossa was aiming for
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Saint-Petersburg, Moscow and Kiev, Ukraine
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three destinations of major significance
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Ukraine with its rich land and resources
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was an important industrial and economic
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source for the USSR
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to cut it from the soviet union
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would be a great success
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for most of those in the soviet union
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the second world war
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was about fighting the invaders of their land
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but it wasn't so simple for Ukraine
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the truth is Ukraine has never been one country
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when world war II began
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a large part of western Ukraine
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welcomed the german soldiers
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as liberators from the recently enforced
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soviet rule
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and openly collaborated with the germans
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true scale of this collaboration
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was not announced for many decades after the war
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but we now know that whole divisions
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and battalions were formed
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such as ss galizien, nachtigal and roland
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just in the beginning of the war more than
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80 thousand people from the galizien region
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volunteered for the ss galizien
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later known for its extreme cruelty towards
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polish, jewish and Russian people
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on the territory of Ukraine
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members of these military groups came mostly
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from organization of ukrainian nationalists
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the OUN
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founded in 1929
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this organization had the ultimate goal
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of an ethnically pure Ukraine
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and considered terror as acceptable measure
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for achieving their ends
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their official flag was black and red
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land and blood
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it will remain in Ukraine's history long after
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the OUN ceases to exist
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in early 1940
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the organization of ukrainian nationalists
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got its own leader - Stepan Bandera
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[for Ukraine, for freedom, for honor, for glory]
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severely anti-semitic and anti-communist
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he proclaimed a free Ukraine in 1941
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his german allies found such an act of self-will
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unacceptable and they put him in prison
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for nearly all 2nd world war
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not participating in person Bandera still
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managed to successfully spread his ideology
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many independent historians state that
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the OUN militia exterminated from 150
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to 200 thousand jews
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on the ukrainian territory occupied by germans
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by the end of 1941
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the most notorious and outrageous massacre
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took place on September 29 of 1941
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in Бабий Яр, Kiev
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all kikes of the city of Kiev and its vicinity
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must appear on monday, September 29
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by 8 o'clock in the morning
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bring documents, money and valuables
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and also hand clothing, linen, etc
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any kikes who do not follow this order
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and are found elsewhere will be shot
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33.771 jews were killed by the Nazis
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and the ukrainian militia
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another outrageous massacre was carried out
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by the ukrainian rebels army and the OUN
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it happened on the territory of
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the german occupied polish wolyn
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and eastern galicia in 1943 and 1944
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this genocide of poles was lead by mикола Лебідь
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35 to 60 thousand people in wolyn and
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25 to 40 thousand people in eastern galicia
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became the victims of this massive
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ethnic cleansing operation
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sensing the inevitable loss of the german troops
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the OUN betrayed its former ally
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and began fighting against german and soviet forces
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in January of 1943
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the USSR army began pushing back the german troops
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liberating one part of Ukraine after another
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western Ukraine was the region held by the germans the longest
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and was finally liberated on October of 1944
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Bandera's gangs continued their guerrilla war
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against soviets, carrying out bloody attacks
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on ukrainian villages and towns
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leaving chaos and victims among civilians
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this war went on till the mid 1950s
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when the last collaborators were eliminated
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or fled the country
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on May 7 of 1945
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Germany unconditionally surrendered
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and Ukraine remained a part of the USSR
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peace after the second world war was short-lived
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the USA and the USSR
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nations who allied together
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along with england against the Nazis
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later tragically became foes
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as the cold war began
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the era of political and military tension
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between the USA and the USSR
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lasted for nearly 45 years
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keeping humanity under constant threat
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of nuclear war.
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in this battle the USA never took its
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sights off Ukraine because of its importance
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US intelligences were closely cooperating
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with ukrainian nationalistic organizations
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as a valuable source of counter-intelligence
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against the USSR
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cia documents just recently declassified
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show strong ties between US intelligence
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and ukrainian nationalists since 1946
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from the cia reports it's obvious that
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they weren't mistaken about the ukrainian nationalists
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and Stepan Bandera
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according to the oss report of September 1945
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Bandera had earned a fierce reputation
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for conducting a reign of terror
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during world war II
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after the second world war
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Bandera and other nationalist leaders
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fled to Europe where the cia covered them
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the cia later informed the immigration
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and naturalization service it had concealed
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Stepan Bandera and other ukrainians from soviets
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the operations involving ukrainians
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continued for many years
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the nurenberg trials of 1945 and 1946
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had put the political, economic and military
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leaders of fascist Germany to justice
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showing the whole world the face of nazism
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and the crimes they committed
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but the ukrainian Nazis were spared of such fate
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and some were even granted amnesty by the CIA
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by 1951 the agency excused the illegal
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activities of oun's security branch
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in the name of cold war necessity
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in 1949 mикола Лебідь, the man responsible
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for the mass massacres in wolyn
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was moved to the USA where he died in 1989
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without ever being investigated for his crimes
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protecting the ukrainian nationalist mикола Лебідь
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the CIA stopped criminal investigation of the
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immigration and naturalization service
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perhaps Bandera lost his use to the USA
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or maybe the KGB agency outplayed the CIA
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but in 1959 Stepan Bandera was killed in munich
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where he was hiding under the name of Stepan popel
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i0t's fair to say that by sheer coincidence
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Bandera became the main symbol of
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ukrainian nationalism because he wasn't neither
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its only nor its most powerful leader
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dmitriy dontsov was the father of the far right
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totalitarian doctrine in Ukraine
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andriy melnik the leader of another fraction of the oun
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roman shuhevich the leader of the ukrainian rebel's army
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and many others
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Bandera's dangerous ideology
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suppressed by the soviet government
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but supported by external forces
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was never completely eliminated
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the seeds of ukrainian nationalism
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were passed from generation to generation
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unfortunately not many years had gone by
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before they once again grew
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in 1954 Ukraine's territory was expanded once more
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when nikita khrushev, leader of the USSR
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and an ukrainian himself
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generously gave the crimean region to Ukraine
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historians will debate for many years
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about this being legal and 60 years later
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another series of dramatic events
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were taking place in crimea
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reporter: the eyes of the world are on Ukraine
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as the crisis in crimea continues
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several dozens of well armed people
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have captured the government in crimea
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should Ukraine just shrug its shoulders
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and say 'ok, crimea is lost'?
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narrator: the old argument would repeat once again
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the cold war was going up and down
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while both rivals were obsessed
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with growing their military capacity
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the turning point came with the Perestroyka
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when the USSR got its new leader
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Michael Gorbachev, in the middle of 1980
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Perestroyka means restructuring towards
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democratization and modernization
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it certainly had a positive impact
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on the international situation
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reporter: astonishing news from Berlin
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where the german authorities announced
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that the Berlin wall doesn't mean anything anymore
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narrator: but inside the USSR
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the weakening of the Kremlin control had different consequences
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the ukrainian nationalistic political organization
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called Narodniy Ruh or the National Movement
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was established in 1989
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Viacheslav Chernovol: I congratulate all of us in this
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remarkable event, the creation of our movement
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narrator: they advocated for independence of Ukraine
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from the USSR and became the starting point
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for many of the ukrainian nationalistic
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and neo-Nazi leaders
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in 1991 one of them, oleg tyagnibok
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founded 'cвобода'
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or 'freedom' radical nationalistic party
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openly following the good old principles of Bandera
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oleg tyagnibok: they were prepared and fought against Russians
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fought against germans, fought against kikes
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and all other scum trying to take our ukrainian country from us
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narrator: purge Ukraine from jews and Russians
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Ukraine for ukrainians and so on
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these statements got him the 5th place
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on the list of top 10 anti-semites in the world
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according to the simon wiesenthal center
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oleg tyagnibok: hail to Ukraine crowd: hail to the heroes
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narrator: sadly such statements attracted numerous followers
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dmitriy yarosh founded another extreme right organization
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'tризуб' or 'trident' in 1994
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in April of 2013 yarosh became the assistant to a deputy from “udar”
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or strike party lead by vitaly klitchko
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later that year he founded another far right ukrainian neo-Nazi group
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the right sector
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andriy parubiy would soon lead the whole army
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of the ultra-nationalistic warriors
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and the torch marches will once again
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lighting the streets of ukrainian cities
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[heroes never die]
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the world drastically changed in August of 1991
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when the USSR de-facto ceased to exist
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and many new political formations appeared on the world map
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Ukraine one of them
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for the first time in modern history
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it was truly independent and all on itself
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reporter: the red flag above the Kremlin
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came down today when president Горбачёв resigned
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ending 70 years of communist rule in the USSR
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narrator: the years after the fall of the USSR
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were known as crazy 90s on all
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post-soviet territories
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reporter: he's leaving behind 15 individual states
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that share only a disaster economy
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and an uncertain future
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narrator: after the planned economy of the USSR
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the free market changed the rules of the game
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new businesses emerged quickly
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and soon the first oligarchs appeared
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a former country without class division
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became divided into unequal parts
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a few chosen ones became rich
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while the rest had to fight to survive
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Putin: right after gaining independence
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a wild privatization of the state property began
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lowering the life quality of the people
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right after the independence
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and what is interesting, whoever was coming to power
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nothing changed for the people
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a constant robbery of the people was happening
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a constant robbery of the ukrainian people
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of course the people grew tired of this
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of this growing corruption
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narrator: the disappointment of the people
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made Ukraine vulnerable to outside forces
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and soon people were to know the new kind of war
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one had never known before - the color revolutions
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reporter: the protesters are confronting the police
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while the result of the elections are being questioned
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and they are calling for a new vote
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narrator: for 24 years of its independence
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Ukraine got through 2 revolutions
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in 2004 people came on the streets of Kiev
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and started the orange revolution
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at that time Ukraine once again became the battlefield of two forces
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Russia and western countries
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the confrontation reached its peak during the presidential election of 2004
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two major candidates
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western-backed Viktor Ushenko
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and Russia-oriented Viktor Yanukovich
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almost equally shared the votes of the ukrainian people
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by the way - calling Viktor Ushenko western-backed
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was not an exaggeration
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his wife - kатерина Viktor Ushenko
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is a former US state department official
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and worked in the white house during Reagan's administration
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the votes were split in a geographic principle
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traditionally pro-Russia eastern Ukraine
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voted for Viktor Yanukovich
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while western Ukraine voted for Viktor Ushenko
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by the announced results
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Viktor Ushenko lost to Viktor Yanukovich
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but thousands of people didn't agree with that
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and came to the central square of Kiev
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on November 22nd of 2004
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the situation got wide press coverage
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reporter: the government election commission
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ignored the fraud accusations and declared Viktor Yanukovich president
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narrator: the international politicians
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such as former secretary of NATO javier solana
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became frequent guests in Kiev
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initiating negotiations between the parties
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javier solana: i'm hoping that together
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we can overcome these difficulties
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narrator: the results of the negotiations
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were often reached only on paper
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for example Viktor Ushenko never told his supporters
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to stop blocking the government institutions in the center of Kiev
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therefore these non-violent protests lasted for a month
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during which the result of the previous election were canceled
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and new elections were announced
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the important nuance
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just 3 months before
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Viktor Ushenko suffered a mysterious
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still unsolved poisoning
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but it didn't prevent him
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from winning the new election
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but as we shall soon see
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there was much more than just
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the people's will to this victory
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this peaceful revolution and its leaders
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were warmly welcomed by the international community
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but the euphoria didn't last long
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Viktor Ushenko's government failed the reforms
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and lost its chance to establish democracy
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instead of setting into internal fighting
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Viktor Ushenko was not reelected for a second term
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but in the end of his presidency
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he had time to give one last gift
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to his supporters from western Ukraine
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Ushenko: in conclusion I would like to say
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something that is long awaited
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by the ukrainian patriots for many years
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I have signed a decree
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for the unbroken spirit
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and standing for the idea
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of fighting for independent Ukraine
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I declare Stepan Bandera
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a national hero of Ukraine
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hail to Ukraine
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narrator: the hero status of Stepan Bandera was short-lived
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in 2010 Viktor Yanukovich was elected president
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and this time the international community
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had no doubts about the legitimacy of the elections
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in January 2011 Viktor Yanukovich repealed the hero title of Bandera
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and after almost 4 years of his presidency
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another revolution shook Ukraine
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unfortunately this one was anything but peaceful
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Oliver Stone: Mr. Yanukovich, I am an american
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i'm an outsider in this situation and it's very complicated
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but I would like, as a filmmaker
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to just jump into the action
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and go to those moments in November 2013
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you're president of Ukraine, been president for 3 years
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at this point the country is in a bad economic shape
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you have a trade agreement with Russia and now
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you're seeking making a better agreement with EU and you're negotiating
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can you tell me at that moment what you were thinking?
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Yanukovich: this was truly a very complicated period for Ukraine
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and wee needed to find a solution for the problems of 2013
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so we had 2 partners first of all
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we were relying on the international monetary found
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but the IMF for a year of negotiations was proposing US options that were unacceptable
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a significant rise of energy resources prices for the people, natural gas first of all
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that meant a significant rise of the people's expenses
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while their income would stay at the same level
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we wouldn't agree with that
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we proposed another option and we officially got rejected by the IMF in November of 2013
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the other option was Russia
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Russia said - we're ready to work with you as partners
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if you take our interests in consideration
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Putin: because the economy of Russia and Ukraine
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were established as one
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absolutely unique economical relations were born
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the Russian market was completely open for ukrainian
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products and our customs border with Ukraine is completely open
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in that way the EU would enter our market with its products without any negotiations
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Yanukovich: and so when we began calculating the balances
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we saw the agreement prepared by the EU for Ukraine
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requires a lot of economic efforts and losses
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and the EU wouldn't compensate any of it
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and the Russian market would drastically reduce
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Putin: we said - of course, if Ukraine decided to do that
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than it's their decision and we respect it
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but we mustn't be the ones to pay for it
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Yanukovich: our negotiations with the eu
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didn't succeed and that's why
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we proposed to make a break
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reporter: violent clashes are happening in Kiev
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where about 100 thousand people came on the streets
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to protest against the government's decision
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to delay the signing of the association agreement with eu
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Oliver Stone: Vitaliy, you were the minister of inner affairs
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of Ukraine in that period
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so basically you were the head of Ukraine's police
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so tell me your vision on the protests happened in November through February
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Vitaliy Zaharchenko: we had the information
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that these mass protests were being planned anyway
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and they were to start in 2015
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but the opposition used the fact
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that the government decided to delay
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the signing of the association agreement with eu
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narrator: arseniy yatsenuk
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the leader of the opposition block “the fatherland”
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oleg tyagnibok, the leader of the oppositional
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far right radical party “cвобода”
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Vitaliy klitchko, the leader of the opposition party “udar”
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reporter: on thursday
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leaders of the EU and Ukraine stated
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that the negotiation on the association agreement
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can be resumed after the 2 day consulting
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but now the association agreement is of the table
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angela merkel: we expected more from you
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Yanukovich: I want you to hear me
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3 and a half years i've been working on this question 1 on 1 with strong Russia
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reporter: pro-EU protests on the streets of Kiev enter the 2nd day
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the protesters are now joined by the leader of the opposition
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ukranian world boxing champion Vitaliy klitchko
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he called the protesters to maintain pressure on the government
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after it's refusal to sign a major trade deal with eu
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Oliver Stone: you go back to Kiev the next day
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after the interview with merkel
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and protests are on, am I right?
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can you tell me about that period?
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Yanukovich: in the beginning of this
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I had an understanding that these are peaceful actions
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and you can negotiate with peaceful protesters
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and I was willing to do that
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Vitaliy Zaharchenko: talking about protests of November through February
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one has to account the dynamics of their development that happened beforehand
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in Ukraine there are many public organizations that are being funded from abroad
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a huge number of journalists getting foreign grants
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narrator: Robert Perry is an investigative journalist working in Washington dc
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best know for his disclosure of the iran-contra in 1980s
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he's a founder of consortiumnews.com
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and he's reported extensively on the crisis in Ukraine
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and what stands behind it
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Robert Perry: a ngo is a non-governmental organization
539
00:31:28,407 --> 00:31:31,907
and many ngo's are quite legit and working for good purposes
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00:31:32,868 --> 00:31:36,808
trying to help people, solving medical and water problems
541
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but there are some ngo's that are funded by the government services
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00:31:46,021 --> 00:31:48,998
and serve more the purpose of that government
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00:31:48,998 --> 00:31:51,688
rather than trying to serve the people that they're supposed to work with
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one thing we saw in the 1980s
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at that point the CIA
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had been largely discredited
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because of the scandals that were exposed in the 1970s
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narrator: for 15 years the CIA had secretly financed
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the overseas national students activities and associations
550
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but then it came light of a big web of CIA penetrations
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Robert Perry: so, when the Reagan administration came in
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there was this concept that instead of having the CIA
553
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that would traditionally go into these countries
554
00:32:22,974 --> 00:32:26,834
funding their media, ngo's and different political operations
555
00:32:27,589 --> 00:32:30,579
that was essentially passed to a new organization
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called national endowment for democracy created in 1983
557
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and it would do pretty much what the CIA would do
558
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penetrate the country, support different political groups
559
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preparing activists, journalists, business groups
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00:32:48,644 --> 00:32:52,412
and pushing the interests of USA foreign policy
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sometimes against the interests of the host countrie’s government
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00:32:56,392 --> 00:33:00,900
they were also supplying an organizational and financial support
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and help in trainings of activists
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on their work with journalists
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to be able to present their view in the best way
566
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they worked on things like how to get popularity
567
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how to make things viral, how to use it to get support for your ideas
568
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narrator: and the support was granted
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mустафа hаем, a founder of one of Ukraine's new media
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muatafa naem: good evening or better good night
571
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narrator: Громадське tv knew very well how to make something go viral
572
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it was his notorious post on facebook on November 21st of 2013
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that have lead the first crowd to Maidan
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muatafa naem: I made this post just to check
575
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if there are any willing people or we were just talking
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narrator: if you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed
577
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if you read the newspaper, you're misinformed
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mark twain
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to be heard in this modern world of media and social networks
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you got to embrace them all
581
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as the disturbing events of euroMaidan started on November 21 of 2013
582
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3 new tv channels went on the air
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and immediately gained great popularity
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spilno tv found on November 21st 2013
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hromadske tv found on November 22nd 2013
586
00:34:27,989 --> 00:34:30,418
espresso tv found on November 24th 2013
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broadcasting directly from opposition protests
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these channels went viral
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openly supporting protests
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and encouraging more and more people to come to Maidan
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Vitaliy Zaharchenko: the first mass actions began November 21st 2013
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at first they were peaceful actions
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a lot of different types of people were coming
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young and old, some of them brought children
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it was clear that they trust the government and the police also
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they were walking free and there were no hints that any force will be used against them
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00:35:09,864 --> 00:35:14,904
so the law enforcement officers were doing their job of protecting the order without firearms
598
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but among those protesters some radicals were already spotted
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they were connected with far-right parties and neo-Nazi organizations
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00:35:39,784 --> 00:35:42,954
so on November 24th they did the first aggressive action
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on November 24-th the first attack on government office was made
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and also the first attack on the police officers that were guarding it
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the second attack on the ukrainian security service officers
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happened on November 25th
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then the notorious events of November 30th
606
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narrator: November 30th of 2013 became the first turning point of the Maidan
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though the events of that night were widely covered in press
608
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the truth about what exactly happened is still uncertain
609
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Vitaliy Zaharchenko: I will tell you how I personally saw these events
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I got a call from Popov
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the head of the Kiev administration
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he said that they would like to begin installing the equipment for the christmas tree on the square
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I explained him that while people are on the square it shouldn't be done
614
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at about 1am when people began to leave the square
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I had a talk with the head of the ukrainian security service
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I asked his opinion on the current situation and he said
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“I suppose, thank God, it's over. we have an information that it is over.”
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because since November 21st I was literally living and sleeping in my office
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if I was lucky to have couple of hours a day to sleep
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at about 3am I came to my home, set-up my alarm for 6:30am
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first thing in the morning I turned on my tv
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it was set to channel 5
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and it showed a lot of ambulance cars
624
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and a lot of injured people
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reporter: armed with rubber bats
626
00:37:35,342 --> 00:37:37,372
police officers were attacking the protesters
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it happened early in the morning
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the witnesses say that the police were indeed using the rubber bats
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Vitaliy Zaharchenko: honestly it just hit me with a cold sweat
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Yanukovich: my first reaction on Maidan protesters
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being hurt by the police was instant
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we had to investigate who ordered to disperse the protesters
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to use force against them
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I was against using force
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against violating the human rights
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Zaharchenko: there is no way Popov could make such a decision by himself
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and who was the highest official for him?
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the highest official for Popov was a head of the president's administration
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Sergei Liovochkin
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narrator: coincidentally, Sergei Liovochkin
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was a close associate of many US politicians
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the ukrainian security service had evidence that on that night
643
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Лёвочкин contacted with the opposition leader Яенюк
644
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and discussed the disperse of Maidan with installing the christmas tree as an excuse
645
00:38:50,885 --> 00:38:56,516
the news media reported that the police cold-blooded attacked students peacefully sleeping in their tents
646
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but scenes from the event seem to tell a different story
647
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it appears that the protesters were expecting the police
648
00:39:05,253 --> 00:39:09,953
there were dozens of journalists, and cameras from the new tv channels already there
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but the most suspicious was a group of well trained young men that arrived practically at the same time as police
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they spread in the crowd and began provoking the police with insults, stones and torches
651
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Robert Perry: the right sector in Ukraine
652
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represents the far-right ukrainian population
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they often had their militias that were coming to Maidan
654
00:39:43,505 --> 00:39:47,056
some squads were shipped into Kiev as muscle for the demonstrations
655
00:39:51,833 --> 00:39:54,393
the demonstrations ran from being peaceful
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to being increasingly violent
657
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narrator: the first step in any investigation
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is to to find the motive
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it is now known that Sergei Liovochkin
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has the highest favor among his US friends
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outraged about what was reported on the news
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people came out the next day
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to express their disturbance by the actions of police
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Stone: the violence started to take off when?
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Yanukovich: unlawful actions practically began on December of 2013
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the events taking place at that time in Kiev were very radical
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neo-Nazi organizations took part in them
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young men that were armed with different improvised weapons
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such as iron bars, baseball bats and even vehicles were used
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like tractors, they were using tractors to attack the police officers
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00:40:56,581 --> 00:41:01,581
that were defending the government institutions and the president's administration building
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how could a president come out to talk to such an uncontrollable crowd?
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whom to talk to?
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the technologies used at that time, they were planned beforehand
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narrator: as veiled and masked as the color revolutions may be
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an attentive viewer can see a subtle pattern revealing their true nature
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to make crowds act like one group you have to unite them on the subconscious level
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00:41:43,447 --> 00:41:47,567
masterminds of the color revolutions know that well and mastered this art
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00:41:51,925 --> 00:41:55,516
symbolism is one of the most powerful tools to achieve this goal
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revolutionary political organizations
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00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,760
with surprisingly similar names and even more similar symbols
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appear in those countries that are soon to be hit by revolutions
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00:42:11,539 --> 00:42:14,479
they are often described as being aware and active
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but actually trained and radical
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they are the ones who take the first shot, literally
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to convert protests into outrage
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their fingerprints can be found everywhere on the map of color revolutions
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00:42:34,768 --> 00:42:37,298
using all the experience of past generations
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simple but effective tools
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like chanting, do a great job
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crowd: together we are strong
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narrator: well know for exciting the crowd
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and creating a group identity
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they depersonalize the individuals
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and create a group that’s easily manipulated
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crowd: if you're not hopping then you're Russian
697
00:42:59,610 --> 00:43:02,391
man on stage: thank you friends hail to Ukraine
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crowd: hail to the heroes
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Zaharchenko: of course it couldn't be done without money
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so many ngo's
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grants given to Ukraine
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00:43:17,423 --> 00:43:18,804
and it's not a secret
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narrator: incidentally, one of such organizations
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Hromadske TV received generous donations
705
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from the dutch and US embassies
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as well as the renaissance foundation founded by george soros
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george soros: i've set up a foundation in Ukraine
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before Ukraine even became independent from Russia
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and the foundation has been functioning ever since
710
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it played a significant role in the ukrainian events now
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narrator: I like criticism
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but it must be my way
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mark twain
714
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Stone: did you see any evidence that the US is involved?
715
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did you feel the presence of the US?
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Yanukovich: the US officials were often guests
717
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there were congressmen
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Victoria Nuland came very often
719
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we were discussing with her
720
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but after those discussions she was going to Maidan
721
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to support the protesters and accuse the police of using force
722
00:44:27,393 --> 00:44:30,163
actually we saw all of those messages on Maidan
723
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chris murphy: we will come here, at this square
724
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to celebrate with you and Ukraine
725
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that stands together with the EU and US
726
00:44:42,251 --> 00:44:45,321
Perry: well members of congress were visiting Ukraine
727
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one of the most known was senator John McCain
728
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so the high US official
729
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the person who had run for president
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was talking to the people
731
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that were acting against their democratically elected government
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saying that the US is with them
733
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McCain: i'm senator John McCain and it's always a pleasure to be back in Ukraine
734
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Perry: senator McCain was giving people the feeling
735
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that they are being supported by the most powerful country on earth
736
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McCain: this is not about the future you want for your country
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this is about the future you deserve
738
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Yanukovich: a lot of delegates were coming
739
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I was saying that one shouldn't
740
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first of all, say what isn't true
741
00:45:32,735 --> 00:45:35,725
one shouldn't take the side of the protesters
742
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:40,880
and protect their rights and making the conflict worse with it
743
00:45:42,146 --> 00:45:45,385
when the protesters capture the government institutions
744
00:45:45,742 --> 00:45:48,253
tell me is it acceptable in any other country
745
00:45:48,887 --> 00:45:51,398
for instance if an ambassador of Ukraine
746
00:45:52,190 --> 00:45:54,470
went to see the protesters in ferguson
747
00:45:55,521 --> 00:45:58,871
and give out cookies or pies and accuse the police of the US
748
00:46:00,152 --> 00:46:03,112
I consider this unacceptable in any country of the EU
749
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:07,039
so why then Ukraine was treated that way?
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Stone: who was your highest level contact at that time?
751
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Yanukovich: I was constantly in contact with Mr. Biden
752
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I had regular phone talks with him
753
00:46:19,759 --> 00:46:22,949
but the thing is that Mr. Biden was saying one thing
754
00:46:24,505 --> 00:46:27,885
and what was happening in Ukraine was completely another
755
00:46:27,931 --> 00:46:29,840
Stone: and the US ambassador?
756
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Yanukovich: the US ambassador in Ukraine
757
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was constantly receiving the Maidan delegates in his embassy
758
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:38,520
we knew it very well
759
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we were tracking this
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and we had the impression that there was
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a headquarters of this process inside of the US embassy
762
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Perry: in early February of 2014
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as the Maidan crisis became more violent
764
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there was a phone call that was intercepted between
765
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the assistant secretary of state in Europe Victoria Nuland
766
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and the US ambassador in Ukraine geoffrey Pyatt
767
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reporter: one should question the credibility of ukrainians
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after a private chat of the top US ambassador
769
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was leaked online
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Nuland: I think yats is the guy who's got the economic experience
771
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the governing experience
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he's the… what he needs is klitsch and tyahnybok on the outside
773
00:47:23,822 --> 00:47:25,572
I just think klitsch going in…
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he's going to be at that level working for yatseniuk
775
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it's just not going to work
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Pyatt: yeah, no, I think that's right. ok
777
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good, do you want us to set up a call with him as the next step?
778
00:47:36,614 --> 00:47:38,844
Nuland: Sullivan's come back to me
779
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vfr [direct to me] saying you need Biden
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and I said probably tomorrow
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for an atta-boy and to get the details to stick
782
00:47:44,668 --> 00:47:45,638
so Biden's willing
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Perry: so you had this remarkable phone call
784
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where two high officials in the US government
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are openly talking about coup
786
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and about how they're planning to dysfunction the government of Ukraine
787
00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:57,838
Nuland: fuck the EU
788
00:47:57,838 --> 00:47:58,867
Pyatt: no, exactly
789
00:47:58,867 --> 00:48:02,061
Perry: i'm not saying the whole US government is like this
790
00:48:02,061 --> 00:48:03,291
there is a division
791
00:48:03,889 --> 00:48:08,339
but for neocons it is very important to change the dynamics in the eastern Europe
792
00:48:12,291 --> 00:48:13,591
they are very smart
793
00:48:14,010 --> 00:48:16,710
the neocons are highly skilled in propaganda
794
00:48:17,141 --> 00:48:20,610
they know well all of the push points of the american people
795
00:48:21,666 --> 00:48:26,697
they had this experience when they were heating things up around central america in 1980s
796
00:48:27,358 --> 00:48:33,158
reporter: the sandinista ground forces are now armed with Russian artillery
797
00:48:33,335 --> 00:48:36,684
Perry: they've been applying the same strategies ever since
798
00:48:36,958 --> 00:48:40,028
they were being very dedicated to achieving their goals
799
00:48:40,027 --> 00:48:42,707
they still want to get rid of certain governments
800
00:48:42,708 --> 00:48:45,157
they want a regime change in syria, in iran
801
00:48:46,208 --> 00:48:47,788
they're very skilled at this
802
00:48:47,936 --> 00:48:50,956
they have a lot of allies in the media and government
803
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:55,270
and that means they have a lot of influence on creating the narrative
804
00:48:55,534 --> 00:48:58,014
Robert kagan: I think in america these days
805
00:48:58,193 --> 00:49:00,253
we have somehow sold ourselves
806
00:49:00,481 --> 00:49:01,751
that there are a lot of ways of dealing with this problem
807
00:49:01,751 --> 00:49:03,215
other than hard power
808
00:49:03,215 --> 00:49:06,434
vladimir Putin cares about hard power
809
00:49:06,686 --> 00:49:10,306
Perry: the neocons are now demonizing the leader of the country
810
00:49:10,893 --> 00:49:12,953
that sells to the american people
811
00:49:13,581 --> 00:49:16,672
so you don't just argue the policy, you attack the leader
812
00:49:17,648 --> 00:49:21,115
the neocons are very skilled at picking out leaders features
813
00:49:23,175 --> 00:49:24,925
and then highlighting them
814
00:49:25,746 --> 00:49:29,166
for Yanukovich you can say that he is a hulking political leader
815
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,900
but he was turned into a devil
816
00:49:32,532 --> 00:49:36,322
he is thoroughly corrupt, evil that wants to kill people on Maidan
817
00:49:36,351 --> 00:49:38,771
those innocent wonderful demonstrators
818
00:49:38,771 --> 00:49:41,341
in that way we now have the villain and the victim
819
00:49:41,340 --> 00:49:43,601
and then you keep repeating that basic scenario
820
00:49:43,601 --> 00:49:44,957
and it works with american people
821
00:49:44,956 --> 00:49:47,596
McCain: you got to realize who vladimir Putin is
822
00:49:47,596 --> 00:49:51,255
he's an old kgb that wants to restore the Russian empire
823
00:49:52,364 --> 00:49:54,394
perrt: you make them demons
824
00:49:54,503 --> 00:49:57,824
and the american people find that this way they can understand the world
825
00:49:57,824 --> 00:50:01,634
once that happens the journalists or someone else find it hard to say
826
00:50:01,963 --> 00:50:06,726
'now hold on, there is no certain white hat and black hat it's all very complicated'
827
00:50:06,726 --> 00:50:11,136
and if you say that you're instantly branded as an apologist of yanukivich or Putin
828
00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:13,079
the one, who dared to say that
829
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:16,489
is now under attack no matter who it is - a journalist, academic or whatever
830
00:50:18,882 --> 00:50:21,192
narrator: any good director will tell you
831
00:50:21,329 --> 00:50:24,129
that tempo and rhythm are the main instruments
832
00:50:24,297 --> 00:50:26,246
to hold an audience's attention
833
00:50:28,327 --> 00:50:30,417
Zaharchenko: the technology itself
834
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:32,440
that was used in the Maidan
835
00:50:33,222 --> 00:50:36,522
consisted of the necessity of the sacral victims, the sacrifice
836
00:50:37,222 --> 00:50:38,762
it's a part of technology
837
00:50:40,043 --> 00:50:41,782
narrator: it can also be called
838
00:50:41,782 --> 00:50:43,121
a method of betrayal
839
00:50:43,141 --> 00:50:46,221
when the allies are thrown into the revolutionary flame
840
00:50:49,893 --> 00:50:51,052
the idea is simple
841
00:50:51,365 --> 00:50:53,166
when the preparation is done
842
00:50:53,922 --> 00:50:56,003
all you need is a trigger to be pulled
843
00:50:56,083 --> 00:50:57,723
to set the chain on motion
844
00:50:59,914 --> 00:51:01,954
the murder of politician rafik hariri
845
00:51:02,686 --> 00:51:04,476
triggered the cedar revolution
846
00:51:06,438 --> 00:51:09,704
looking back at the mysterious poisoning of Viktor Ushenko
847
00:51:09,704 --> 00:51:12,124
right before the orange revolution in 2004
848
00:51:13,501 --> 00:51:16,501
we now see that he became the sacred victim himself
849
00:51:17,219 --> 00:51:18,959
most political analysts agree
850
00:51:19,137 --> 00:51:21,668
that the compassion of the ukrainian people
851
00:51:21,958 --> 00:51:24,259
tilted the scales towards his presidency
852
00:51:30,266 --> 00:51:34,527
the number of victims among protesters during euroMaidan totalled over 100
853
00:51:36,565 --> 00:51:38,835
they were called the heavenly hundred
854
00:51:40,181 --> 00:51:42,340
and were immediately mythologized
855
00:51:46,514 --> 00:51:51,264
the beating of students on November 30 of 2013 was an obvious trigger for euroMaidan
856
00:51:53,498 --> 00:51:56,467
those who sent trained provocateurs on the square
857
00:51:56,784 --> 00:52:01,173
very well realized that peaceful protesters were the ones to get hurt the most
858
00:52:03,146 --> 00:52:06,166
it's hard to keep the protests going for months on end
859
00:52:06,885 --> 00:52:09,135
the tension weakens, people get tired
860
00:52:11,005 --> 00:52:14,205
holidays are also big danger for revolution masterminds
861
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:17,956
people want to get home to their family and friends
862
00:52:17,956 --> 00:52:21,366
and one needs to be inventive to keep them in the cold tents
863
00:52:36,744 --> 00:52:39,714
on December 25 of 2013 journalist tatiana Chernovol
864
00:52:41,797 --> 00:52:44,517
was chosen to be a tool to fire up Maidan again
865
00:52:46,628 --> 00:52:49,498
reporter: investigative journalist tatiana Chernovol
866
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:53,429
known for her investigations of corruption in ukrainian government
867
00:52:53,429 --> 00:52:55,829
was found beaten near Kiev on christmas
868
00:52:56,373 --> 00:52:59,523
narrator: her heroic deeds look more like small crimes
869
00:53:00,266 --> 00:53:02,626
trespassing of the presidential residence
870
00:53:04,925 --> 00:53:07,105
the siege of Kiev city's administration
871
00:53:08,143 --> 00:53:10,893
breaking into the car of Ukraine's security service
872
00:53:12,139 --> 00:53:16,079
it looked like tatiana was willing to make the news rather than reporting them
873
00:53:17,737 --> 00:53:23,077
and gain the popularity that could be transformed into votes for her political party “the fatherland”
874
00:53:26,416 --> 00:53:30,536
the beating of tatiana Chernovol became a real christmas gift for the media
875
00:53:31,576 --> 00:53:35,215
despite the fact that in just 3 days all the suspects were arrested
876
00:53:35,588 --> 00:53:38,009
and confessed that it was a road accident
877
00:53:39,686 --> 00:53:43,566
the world media kept insisting on a political background for that crime
878
00:53:45,304 --> 00:53:47,724
instantly tatiana became a heroic martyr
879
00:53:48,181 --> 00:53:50,150
uniting people around her image
880
00:53:50,387 --> 00:53:52,478
reporter: the beating of a journalist
881
00:53:52,478 --> 00:53:55,197
among the political turmoil caused protests
882
00:53:55,896 --> 00:53:59,067
narrator: the euroMaidan was once again a center stage
883
00:53:59,300 --> 00:54:01,300
and tatiana in less than 2 months
884
00:54:01,548 --> 00:54:03,259
was already healthy enough
885
00:54:03,512 --> 00:54:05,893
to attack the office of “the regions party”
886
00:54:05,945 --> 00:54:08,175
the political party of Viktor Yanukovich
887
00:54:08,268 --> 00:54:09,978
tatiana Chernovol: this is the place
888
00:54:09,978 --> 00:54:11,609
where the people that beat me came from
889
00:54:11,610 --> 00:54:13,150
this is the nest of this criminal mafia government
890
00:54:13,150 --> 00:54:14,760
the death squads are also being controlled from here
891
00:54:15,172 --> 00:54:16,693
narrator: one of the staff
892
00:54:16,693 --> 00:54:18,990
65-year old it specialist vladimir zaharov
893
00:54:19,981 --> 00:54:21,641
was killed during the attack
894
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,291
so, where is tatiana now?
895
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:30,340
well, she finally got her position of power in the new government
896
00:54:32,036 --> 00:54:34,695
one month later the time came for another act
897
00:54:36,063 --> 00:54:38,614
armenian ukrainian protester Sergei Nigoyan
898
00:54:39,262 --> 00:54:41,542
was one of the first to arrive on Maidan
899
00:54:42,117 --> 00:54:43,777
he wasn't radical or violent
900
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:46,710
but instead was full of hope for the better future
901
00:54:47,036 --> 00:54:49,317
watching Sergei read the patriotic poem
902
00:54:49,414 --> 00:54:52,554
is like watching a casting for the role of the sacred victim
903
00:54:52,893 --> 00:54:54,633
Sergei Nigoyan: keep fighting
904
00:54:54,666 --> 00:54:57,306
you are sure to win God helps you in your fight
905
00:54:57,391 --> 00:55:00,531
for fame and freedom march with you right at your side
906
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,040
narrator: unfortunately Sergei got the part
907
00:55:07,981 --> 00:55:10,362
the video went viral after Sergei was killed
908
00:55:10,407 --> 00:55:12,847
early in the morning on January 22 of 2014
909
00:55:15,929 --> 00:55:19,219
the circumstances of his death remain unknown to this day
910
00:55:20,342 --> 00:55:23,232
even though the whole event was constantly filmed
911
00:55:25,197 --> 00:55:28,557
there were no records or witnesses to help the investigation
912
00:55:29,378 --> 00:55:32,827
and his body was removed immediately from the crime scene
913
00:55:33,568 --> 00:55:36,168
Sergei became the first martyr of euroMaidan
914
00:55:38,570 --> 00:55:41,016
police officers were appointed as his killers
915
00:55:41,155 --> 00:55:44,635
almost 2 years later the official investigation still has no results
916
00:55:48,253 --> 00:55:53,583
now it's widely believed that he was killed by provocateurs to escalate the conflict
917
00:56:00,255 --> 00:56:02,865
God speaks to people in the language of signs
918
00:56:03,590 --> 00:56:06,560
on January 26 2014 Pope Francis prayed for Ukraine
919
00:56:08,085 --> 00:56:11,215
addressing thousands of people on saint peter's square
920
00:56:17,846 --> 00:56:21,445
after the prayer two white doves were released from the window
921
00:56:21,798 --> 00:56:24,884
and were immediately attacked by a crow and a seagull
922
00:56:25,284 --> 00:56:27,484
those who understand the symbolism
923
00:56:27,677 --> 00:56:30,597
easily read this event as that soon two great powers
924
00:56:31,472 --> 00:56:33,603
represented by a crow and a seagull
925
00:56:34,284 --> 00:56:37,414
will be tearing apart two slavic nations - the white doves
926
00:56:37,715 --> 00:56:40,265
this omen gave hope to the ukrainian people
927
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:43,340
saying that by God's will two doves will be saved
928
00:56:44,246 --> 00:56:47,336
but it also predicted severe hardship and many victims
929
00:56:51,795 --> 00:56:57,005
the events, that made the history of color revolutions as the most massive in human sacrifice yet
930
00:56:58,710 --> 00:57:01,210
arrived right on schedule - one month later
931
00:57:05,806 --> 00:57:07,666
reporter: during the last weeks
932
00:57:08,018 --> 00:57:11,038
this european capital was caught in a violent uprising
933
00:57:11,384 --> 00:57:13,193
today is the bloodiest day yet
934
00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:17,710
the protesters are advancing towards the government region of the city
935
00:57:19,922 --> 00:57:22,161
they are armed with molotov cocktails
936
00:57:22,623 --> 00:57:24,813
we also saw handguns and shotguns
937
00:57:24,983 --> 00:57:27,113
there are casualties from both sides
938
00:57:27,583 --> 00:57:30,432
she just said that there are 6 dead people up there
939
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,990
not just injured, dead, shot by snipers
940
00:57:33,293 --> 00:57:36,983
Zaharchenko: on February 20 the police officers were being shot at
941
00:57:39,385 --> 00:57:42,666
Yanukovich: I got this information that snipers are shooting
942
00:57:43,184 --> 00:57:45,514
and there are casualties from both sides
943
00:57:46,585 --> 00:57:50,175
Zaharchenko: the conservatory is where the first shots were from
944
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:53,310
this place was under control of the Maidan forces
945
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:59,000
narrator: and here again we see our old friend from “narodniy ruh” andriy parubiy
946
00:58:00,143 --> 00:58:02,072
who was at the peak of his glory
947
00:58:02,072 --> 00:58:04,492
as a self-proclaimed Maidan commandant
948
00:58:05,864 --> 00:58:08,864
which in fact means - leader of the radical opposition
949
00:58:10,108 --> 00:58:11,948
Парубій: we had warned them
950
00:58:12,637 --> 00:58:14,668
that Maidan may take more action
951
00:58:15,289 --> 00:58:18,099
if our demands aren't fulfilled in the next days
952
00:58:21,623 --> 00:58:23,383
Putin: it was to spread chaos
953
00:58:24,134 --> 00:58:27,623
and certainly Yanukovich wouldn't benefit from growing chaos
954
00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:34,730
reporter: here you can see protesters escorting
955
00:58:34,730 --> 00:58:36,516
a line of special forces officers
956
00:58:36,516 --> 00:58:38,772
it's still not clear where they are taking them
957
00:58:38,773 --> 00:58:41,103
67 officers are officially declared missing
958
00:58:41,139 --> 00:58:43,619
Stone: 14 officers dead, 43 wounded, right?
959
00:58:44,963 --> 00:58:48,744
Zaharchenko: 20 people dead and more than 150 with gun wounds
960
00:58:53,278 --> 00:58:55,998
Yanukovich: then it was clear, on February 20-21
961
00:58:57,523 --> 00:58:59,893
that an armed overthrow was happening
962
00:59:04,318 --> 00:59:06,739
reporter: opposition leader Vitaliy klitchko
963
00:59:07,608 --> 00:59:09,489
called his followers to stay alert
964
00:59:10,856 --> 00:59:13,056
each of you here should stand strong, he said
965
00:59:14,552 --> 00:59:17,032
because we're not going anywhere
966
00:59:20,226 --> 00:59:22,226
Yanukovich: at that same period
967
00:59:23,202 --> 00:59:25,502
we were negotiating with the opposition
968
00:59:25,864 --> 00:59:27,684
and very often we agreed, but
969
00:59:28,570 --> 00:59:30,810
as I found out later, it was just a game
970
00:59:31,324 --> 00:59:34,884
the part of the opposition that didn't take part in the negotiation
971
00:59:35,507 --> 00:59:37,407
the radical one, they didn't care
972
00:59:37,407 --> 00:59:38,836
and listened to no one
973
00:59:39,681 --> 00:59:41,221
they were doing their job
974
00:59:46,978 --> 00:59:49,818
narrator: like in 2004 during the orange revolution
975
00:59:50,262 --> 00:59:52,782
the international leaders felt that it was time
976
00:59:53,541 --> 00:59:56,302
to interfere and put both sides of the negotiation
977
00:59:56,681 --> 00:59:59,641
Putin: three european foreign ministers came to Kiev
978
01:00:10,182 --> 01:00:14,882
Putin: they took part in the meeting between president Yanukovich and the opposition
979
01:00:15,344 --> 01:00:18,784
agreed on carrying out a presidential election before schedule
980
01:00:19,021 --> 01:00:23,501
agreed on the ways of building relations between the president and the opposition
981
01:00:26,514 --> 01:00:30,954
the ukrainian president and the leaders of the opposition have agreed on a truce
982
01:00:36,088 --> 01:00:39,239
just like in 2004 the opposition or at least its radical faction
983
01:00:41,478 --> 01:00:43,848
the right sector, lead by dmitriy yarosh
984
01:00:44,733 --> 01:00:47,673
had no intention of fulfilling his part of the bargain
985
01:00:48,942 --> 01:00:52,942
dmitriy yarosh: the achieved agreements do not comply with our expectations
986
01:00:53,556 --> 01:00:56,056
the right sector will not lower the weapons
987
01:00:57,403 --> 01:01:01,074
the right sector will not unblock any of the government institutions
988
01:01:02,413 --> 01:01:04,423
until our main demand is fulfilled
989
01:01:04,893 --> 01:01:07,003
the resignation of Viktor Yanukovich
990
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:12,949
Yanukovich: I have signed such document
991
01:01:14,782 --> 01:01:18,472
but a bit later I understood that whatever document we are to sign
992
01:01:18,835 --> 01:01:22,085
the overthrow scenario was planned and it was imminent
993
01:01:26,804 --> 01:01:29,264
so, basically none of our actions mattered
994
01:01:30,182 --> 01:01:32,402
radoslaw sikorski: if you don't sign this
995
01:01:32,423 --> 01:01:33,963
you will have martial law
996
01:01:33,963 --> 01:01:35,614
the army, you'll all be dead
997
01:01:35,724 --> 01:01:37,454
the opposition leaders said
998
01:01:37,454 --> 01:01:40,214
that they have found a way to end the bloodshed
999
01:01:40,213 --> 01:01:43,974
but first they wanted to announce the conclusion of the negotiations
1000
01:01:45,713 --> 01:01:48,563
it was soon clear that the protesters weren't happy
1001
01:01:50,101 --> 01:01:52,590
Putin: so the next day Mr. Viktor Yanukovich
1002
01:01:53,644 --> 01:01:56,675
left to visit the second largest city in Ukraine, xарьков
1003
01:01:58,012 --> 01:02:01,103
as soon as he left his office it was taken using weapons
1004
01:02:04,277 --> 01:02:05,667
what do you call that?
1005
01:02:07,635 --> 01:02:10,395
Yanukovich: the thing is I flew there by helicopter
1006
01:02:11,903 --> 01:02:14,253
the escorting cars were going separately
1007
01:02:16,554 --> 01:02:18,134
but no one knew about it
1008
01:02:20,786 --> 01:02:24,146
so the escorting cars were going and they got under gunfire
1009
01:02:26,835 --> 01:02:31,035
also our intelligence had an information that there were special mercenaries
1010
01:02:34,086 --> 01:02:37,376
who's objective was not to capture the president, but to kill
1011
01:02:40,942 --> 01:02:43,882
so I asked for Mr. Putin's permission to go to Russia
1012
01:02:46,601 --> 01:02:49,442
the permission was granted and also I was helped
1013
01:02:52,501 --> 01:02:54,891
on February 24th I got on Russian territory
1014
01:03:02,510 --> 01:03:03,690
at the same time
1015
01:03:03,851 --> 01:03:07,340
Kiev was saying the last goodbye to the victims of the massacre
1016
01:03:14,951 --> 01:03:18,951
it was also welcoming those who came to power on the cost of their lives
1017
01:03:20,012 --> 01:03:22,532
Ukraine's parliament has voted for assigning
1018
01:03:22,666 --> 01:03:25,106
Alexander Turchinov as an acting president
1019
01:03:25,204 --> 01:03:28,824
he called the lawmakers to form the new government by tuesday
1020
01:03:30,206 --> 01:03:34,446
this event followed the dismount of president Viktor Yanukovich on saturday
1021
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,239
Perry: and they removed Yanukovich
1022
01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:40,789
without following the constitutional procedure for impeachment
1023
01:03:40,978 --> 01:03:44,178
Yanukovich: the impeachment procedure wasn't followed
1024
01:03:44,179 --> 01:03:46,608
the constitutional court had to be involved
1025
01:03:46,608 --> 01:03:48,798
the supreme court and it wasn't done
1026
01:03:48,983 --> 01:03:52,134
and ¾ of the deputies had to be voting in the parliament
1027
01:03:53,922 --> 01:03:56,772
the parliament of Ukraine consists of 450 deputies
1028
01:03:57,637 --> 01:03:59,268
the constitution of Ukraine
1029
01:03:59,331 --> 01:04:02,581
requires at least a ¾ majority of 338 deputies vote in favor
1030
01:04:05,487 --> 01:04:07,356
but only 328 deputies voted yes
1031
01:04:08,429 --> 01:04:10,859
they didn't have the ¾ of parliament votes
1032
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:15,599
the US state department immediately called the new government legit
1033
01:04:15,985 --> 01:04:18,195
and it was a part of the coup scenario
1034
01:04:19,173 --> 01:04:21,543
in this way they eliminated the possibility
1035
01:04:21,943 --> 01:04:26,614
to revive the agreement of February 22 that could get Viktor Yanukovich back in power
1036
01:04:27,534 --> 01:04:29,854
then you had eastern Ukraine resisting
1037
01:04:30,286 --> 01:04:33,856
crimea wanted to separate and the situation came out of control
1038
01:04:38,465 --> 01:04:43,135
on sunday the people are to decide whether they want to leave Ukraine and join Russia
1039
01:04:43,168 --> 01:04:47,168
the campaign with slogan 'together with Russia' is being carried by Moscow
1040
01:04:47,597 --> 01:04:51,297
the crimean referendum situation was also happening at that time
1041
01:04:51,940 --> 01:04:55,390
the crimean referendum was initiated by the people of crimea
1042
01:04:56,481 --> 01:05:01,621
it was their response to the Maidan representatives' attempts to make the same coup in crimea
1043
01:05:04,643 --> 01:05:08,403
it is not a secret that the population of crimea was always pro-Russia
1044
01:05:11,157 --> 01:05:13,947
crimean authorities, agreeing with the populace
1045
01:05:14,952 --> 01:05:17,523
fully supported Viktor Yanukovich's decision
1046
01:05:18,123 --> 01:05:21,262
to stall the signing of the 2013 trade agreement with eu
1047
01:05:26,048 --> 01:05:27,918
as the event in Kiev took place
1048
01:05:28,235 --> 01:05:30,575
crimean authorities made a declaration:
1049
01:05:33,632 --> 01:05:36,822
“based on the will of the crimean people who elected us
1050
01:05:36,822 --> 01:05:40,572
we declare that we will not give crimea to extremists and neo-Nazis
1051
01:05:40,608 --> 01:05:42,639
seeking to seize power in Ukraine
1052
01:05:42,875 --> 01:05:45,925
at the cost of the blood of the country and its citizens”
1053
01:05:46,706 --> 01:05:48,586
after the regime change in Kiev
1054
01:05:49,106 --> 01:05:51,166
rumors began spreading in crimea
1055
01:05:51,166 --> 01:05:54,817
that new authorities will be ruthless to the ones who oppose them
1056
01:05:54,817 --> 01:05:56,177
dmitriy yarosh: hail to Ukraine
1057
01:05:56,177 --> 01:05:57,707
crowd: hail to the heroes
1058
01:05:57,706 --> 01:06:00,116
this lead to the pro-Russia demonstrations
1059
01:06:00,117 --> 01:06:04,027
of the people that aren't in agreement with the new government in Kiev
1060
01:06:04,027 --> 01:06:07,666
on February 27 the government institution in the capital of crimea
1061
01:06:07,666 --> 01:06:09,797
was seized by pro-Russia protesters
1062
01:06:11,532 --> 01:06:13,862
the crimean government was dismissed
1063
01:06:14,608 --> 01:06:16,748
and the new leader cергей aксёнов
1064
01:06:17,094 --> 01:06:20,614
was assigned as the leader of the crimean autonomous republic
1065
01:06:23,074 --> 01:06:27,253
they certainly were hoping and asking the Russian government for protection
1066
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:32,429
on March 16 the crimean referendum was held
1067
01:06:33,431 --> 01:06:35,791
and the people voted for leaving Ukraine
1068
01:06:36,373 --> 01:06:38,443
and entering the Russian federation
1069
01:06:39,471 --> 01:06:42,960
the situation in crimea has been presented as Russian invasion
1070
01:06:44,016 --> 01:06:46,115
and again, nobody takes it seriously
1071
01:06:46,115 --> 01:06:47,626
look at the poll numbers
1072
01:06:47,626 --> 01:06:50,786
some of them were done by the US agencies themselves
1073
01:06:50,786 --> 01:06:53,615
showing that people of crimea want to join Russia
1074
01:06:53,615 --> 01:06:56,576
but in the US news media it's all been presented as
1075
01:06:57,239 --> 01:06:59,378
Russian invading and faking this vote
1076
01:07:00,425 --> 01:07:03,076
where people were voting literally at gun point
1077
01:07:03,677 --> 01:07:07,018
and that's how they got 96% of the votes for joining Russia
1078
01:07:09,110 --> 01:07:12,820
the idea of referendum in crimea is quite simply unconstitutional
1079
01:07:14,128 --> 01:07:17,509
there are questions whether this vote was really free and fair
1080
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:21,880
especially considering the military presence of Russia in crimea now
1081
01:07:22,306 --> 01:07:25,036
so that's how it's shown to the american people
1082
01:07:25,036 --> 01:07:26,646
the reality is very different
1083
01:07:27,432 --> 01:07:30,063
the atmosphere here is certainly remarkable
1084
01:07:30,135 --> 01:07:33,206
thousands of people gathered in the capital of crimea
1085
01:07:33,206 --> 01:07:35,385
this is happening after last sunday
1086
01:07:36,885 --> 01:07:41,346
when the referendum was held where the majority voted for reuniting with Russia
1087
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,360
crowd: Russia, Russia
1088
01:07:46,146 --> 01:07:47,326
i'd like to ask you
1089
01:07:47,327 --> 01:07:48,607
what is democracy?
1090
01:07:48,699 --> 01:07:51,668
democracy is a policy based on the will of the people
1091
01:07:53,286 --> 01:07:55,615
how do you know the will of the people?
1092
01:07:57,590 --> 01:07:59,950
in the modern world it's done by voting
1093
01:08:01,659 --> 01:08:05,959
over 90% of people came and over 90% of those people voted for joining Russia
1094
01:08:07,507 --> 01:08:09,897
the will of the people has to be respected
1095
01:08:11,405 --> 01:08:14,485
don't bend international law and democracy principles
1096
01:08:14,485 --> 01:08:17,715
according to your current geopolitical interests every time
1097
01:08:21,831 --> 01:08:25,011
we had no combats there, no shooting, no one was killed
1098
01:08:30,462 --> 01:08:33,752
what is described by the west as Russian invasion in crimea
1099
01:08:34,869 --> 01:08:37,140
is in fact a presence of Russian soldiers
1100
01:08:38,595 --> 01:08:39,875
can you clarify that?
1101
01:08:40,224 --> 01:08:42,644
Russian soldiers in crimea, as it is known
1102
01:08:43,899 --> 01:08:47,628
were there for ages, because the black sea naval base was in crimea
1103
01:08:49,268 --> 01:08:52,597
as long as 1804 the cевастополь naval base
1104
01:08:53,337 --> 01:08:57,337
became the main naval base of the Russian empire on the black sea
1105
01:08:59,131 --> 01:09:03,431
during the 2nd world war heroic defense of cевастополь lasted almost a year
1106
01:09:04,340 --> 01:09:06,730
and took hundreds of thousands of lives
1107
01:09:10,610 --> 01:09:12,671
therefore the naval base in crimea
1108
01:09:12,751 --> 01:09:16,101
has a legacy of historical pride for the Russian black sea fleet
1109
01:09:16,764 --> 01:09:19,904
as well as being of huge strategic importance
1110
01:09:20,278 --> 01:09:22,507
in 1962 during the ongoing arms race
1111
01:09:23,042 --> 01:09:25,442
the USSR began sending rockets to Cuba
1112
01:09:28,032 --> 01:09:30,362
those of us alive at that time remember
1113
01:09:31,341 --> 01:09:34,031
how frightened and angry we were by that fact
1114
01:09:35,534 --> 01:09:38,114
and how it nearly grew into a nuclear conflict
1115
01:09:38,694 --> 01:09:42,334
because the weapon of such power was based that close to the US
1116
01:09:47,056 --> 01:09:49,556
if the US considers Cuba to be its backyard
1117
01:09:51,947 --> 01:09:54,407
then crimea is merely at Russia's doorstep
1118
01:09:55,921 --> 01:09:59,921
what are the consequences of the US or NATO capturing that naval base?
1119
01:10:00,055 --> 01:10:01,045
very dramatic
1120
01:10:02,118 --> 01:10:04,208
because base itself means nothing
1121
01:10:06,503 --> 01:10:08,913
but there is one thing i'd like to focus on
1122
01:10:10,561 --> 01:10:13,961
why do you think we are reacting on growth of NATO so much
1123
01:10:14,810 --> 01:10:17,380
we're worried by its decision making practice
1124
01:10:18,412 --> 01:10:19,772
I know how it's done
1125
01:10:20,860 --> 01:10:23,260
when countries become a NATO member
1126
01:10:24,609 --> 01:10:28,609
it's very hard for them to resist the pressure from such a large country
1127
01:10:28,930 --> 01:10:31,240
which is the leader of NATO, the USA
1128
01:10:31,417 --> 01:10:34,106
and than anything can appear there very easily
1129
01:10:34,226 --> 01:10:38,226
missile defense systems, new bases, new offensive systems, if needed
1130
01:10:38,615 --> 01:10:40,145
and what should we do?
1131
01:10:41,972 --> 01:10:43,632
we're forced to counteract
1132
01:10:44,009 --> 01:10:48,779
meaning putting those objects that are threatening us on the aim of our missile systems
1133
01:10:50,158 --> 01:10:51,638
the situation is stressful
1134
01:10:51,863 --> 01:10:55,323
Sergei Lavrov: if we're being attacked we will definitely respond
1135
01:10:56,146 --> 01:10:57,966
you know, it seems to me that
1136
01:10:58,869 --> 01:11:01,739
I don't always understand the logic of our partners
1137
01:11:02,269 --> 01:11:04,479
sometimes I have the impression that
1138
01:11:05,283 --> 01:11:07,263
they need to set better discipline
1139
01:11:09,559 --> 01:11:11,989
set things straight in their atlantic enclave
1140
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:14,610
and it requires an enemy
1141
01:11:15,577 --> 01:11:17,427
iran does not fit this part at all
1142
01:11:18,889 --> 01:11:22,279
I am concerned about the expansion of NATO
1143
01:11:22,511 --> 01:11:25,811
it has expanded by 13 countries up to the borders of Russia
1144
01:11:25,859 --> 01:11:26,809
13 countries
1145
01:11:27,684 --> 01:11:29,564
this is a very dangerous topic
1146
01:11:29,739 --> 01:11:31,279
we are talking about war
1147
01:11:32,110 --> 01:11:33,951
war between Russia and the US
1148
01:11:35,127 --> 01:11:36,407
it's sheer madness
1149
01:11:44,109 --> 01:11:45,519
in early spring of 2014
1150
01:11:46,579 --> 01:11:48,417
eastern Ukraine had also risen
1151
01:11:48,927 --> 01:11:51,177
against the new ukrainian government
1152
01:11:52,148 --> 01:11:53,688
this region's population
1153
01:11:53,948 --> 01:11:56,798
both culturally and geographically close to Russia
1154
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,211
feared that the newly formed ultra-right government
1155
01:12:01,131 --> 01:12:03,451
would cause the growth of nationalism
1156
01:12:03,582 --> 01:12:05,542
and they had reasons to worry
1157
01:12:07,230 --> 01:12:11,780
the status of the Russian language in Ukraine was one of the key questions for years
1158
01:12:12,954 --> 01:12:15,904
declaring the Russian language as the second official
1159
01:12:15,904 --> 01:12:19,904
was one of the key points of Viktor Yanukovich's presidential campaign
1160
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:23,390
in 2012 Yanukovich's government passed a law
1161
01:12:23,456 --> 01:12:27,136
that declared Russian the second official language in those regions
1162
01:12:27,136 --> 01:12:30,826
where more than 10% of the population consider it as their native
1163
01:12:30,826 --> 01:12:33,185
mostly on the east and south of Ukraine
1164
01:12:33,185 --> 01:12:37,185
the ukrainian nationalists initiated massive protests opposing the law
1165
01:12:37,948 --> 01:12:41,228
and an attentive observer can see here a few familiar faces
1166
01:12:41,444 --> 01:12:44,354
oleg tyagnibok: we have shown that those bastards
1167
01:12:44,354 --> 01:12:46,134
those gangs can be defeated
1168
01:12:47,639 --> 01:12:49,199
on February 23rd of 2014
1169
01:12:50,265 --> 01:12:52,675
the very next day after the regime change
1170
01:12:53,484 --> 01:12:57,484
the new government voted to denote the official status of the Russian language
1171
01:12:58,805 --> 01:13:04,034
and even though later acting president Alexander Turchinov vetoed this act, it still sent a message
1172
01:13:07,425 --> 01:13:09,885
this alarmed the Russian-speaking regions
1173
01:13:10,780 --> 01:13:13,270
and they went on the streets to protest
1174
01:13:15,847 --> 01:13:19,847
in response the Maidan supporters carried out their own demonstrations
1175
01:13:20,666 --> 01:13:23,676
when the two parties met the tension was growing
1176
01:13:23,738 --> 01:13:25,118
and it lead to tragedy
1177
01:13:28,452 --> 01:13:30,992
one person died and about 50 were injured
1178
01:13:31,055 --> 01:13:35,655
in clashes during the pro-Russian march to protest against the new Kiev government
1179
01:13:38,500 --> 01:13:42,500
on April 6 the crimean scenario began repeating in eastern Ukraine
1180
01:13:43,373 --> 01:13:47,373
the protesters seized the government institutions and the next day
1181
01:13:48,525 --> 01:13:51,666
April 7 they proclaimed the people's republic of donetsk
1182
01:13:52,871 --> 01:13:56,871
Kiev replied by announcing an anti-terrorist operation in eastern Ukraine
1183
01:14:01,835 --> 01:14:06,614
by that time the international media was screaming about a Russian invasion in Ukraine
1184
01:14:07,530 --> 01:14:10,270
Russia could be on the verge of invading Ukraine
1185
01:14:11,293 --> 01:14:14,104
but disregarding such strong words in the media
1186
01:14:14,265 --> 01:14:17,215
the ukrainian authorities never declared a war state
1187
01:14:17,381 --> 01:14:17,981
why?
1188
01:14:18,072 --> 01:14:21,492
IMF cannot give money to countries engaged in ongoing war
1189
01:14:22,493 --> 01:14:24,693
Zaharchenko: you know, in big politics
1190
01:14:24,693 --> 01:14:26,493
whatever they're talking about
1191
01:14:26,493 --> 01:14:28,023
they are talking about money
1192
01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:31,720
too much money was already invested in Ukraine to stop half way
1193
01:14:31,777 --> 01:14:34,686
Victoria Nuland: we've invested over 5 billion dollars
1194
01:14:34,686 --> 01:14:40,096
to assist Ukraine in its course to assure secure, prosperous and democratic Ukraine
1195
01:14:41,595 --> 01:14:45,015
on developing what kind of democracy was this money spent?
1196
01:14:45,015 --> 01:14:47,965
installing a democratic regime, as they were calling it
1197
01:14:47,965 --> 01:14:51,895
I guess they meant the kind of regime that is now happening in Donbass
1198
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,699
obviously the funding was continued
1199
01:14:55,105 --> 01:14:57,135
and the conflict had to keep going
1200
01:15:01,474 --> 01:15:03,324
getting more and more deadly
1201
01:15:07,404 --> 01:15:11,114
as parties on both sides were using more and more lethal weapons
1202
01:15:15,212 --> 01:15:17,782
Mr. Turchinov, who practically started a war
1203
01:15:19,608 --> 01:15:22,778
is responsible for it, he started a war on his own people
1204
01:15:24,970 --> 01:15:26,630
he sent troops to Donbass
1205
01:15:27,939 --> 01:15:30,919
they did what I didn't do, they started the bloodshed
1206
01:15:39,648 --> 01:15:43,648
the world seemed too busy with greeting the new democracy in Kiev
1207
01:15:45,581 --> 01:15:49,801
to notice what was being done as it was spreading its wings over the country
1208
01:15:50,127 --> 01:15:53,947
many in southern Ukraine were watching the revolution with concern
1209
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:04,720
and an anti-Maidan movement was formed in Odessa in January of 2014
1210
01:16:05,805 --> 01:16:09,284
the protesters set up camp in front of the trade union house
1211
01:16:10,582 --> 01:16:14,582
a building that would soon become a monument of a massacre itself
1212
01:16:15,019 --> 01:16:18,029
it is difficult to overestimate the importance of Odessa
1213
01:16:19,204 --> 01:16:21,595
it is strategically located on the black sea
1214
01:16:21,595 --> 01:16:23,744
and is the largest sea port of Ukraine
1215
01:16:23,744 --> 01:16:26,465
it's not surprising that Ukraine's new authorities
1216
01:16:26,465 --> 01:16:29,694
were watching this situation unfold with growing concern
1217
01:16:30,716 --> 01:16:33,846
more and more protesters were joining the anti-Maidan
1218
01:16:34,291 --> 01:16:36,911
while the situation in the east was heating up
1219
01:16:38,515 --> 01:16:42,865
the new ukrainian government didn't have the power to go to war on two fronts
1220
01:16:43,828 --> 01:16:45,838
if Odessa were to join the uprising
1221
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,899
it would seriously complicate the situation
1222
01:16:50,945 --> 01:16:54,595
this rebellion had to be extinguished immediately and by any cost
1223
01:16:55,599 --> 01:16:57,019
and that cost was high
1224
01:16:58,430 --> 01:17:01,850
on May 2nd 2014 soccer fans flocked to the center of the city
1225
01:17:03,487 --> 01:17:06,636
the excuse was a ukrainian soccer championship match
1226
01:17:06,636 --> 01:17:10,907
surprisingly a number of those fans that came to Odessa just before the match
1227
01:17:10,907 --> 01:17:14,364
also turned out to be fighters for Maidan's self-defense militia
1228
01:17:14,932 --> 01:17:18,733
along with members of radical organizations from all parts of Ukraine
1229
01:17:19,268 --> 01:17:23,268
crowd: hail to the nation, death to the enemies, Ukraine, above everything, Ukraine, above everything
1230
01:17:24,949 --> 01:17:26,399
these fans wore masks
1231
01:17:26,902 --> 01:17:29,292
armed and shouting nationalistic slogans
1232
01:17:29,368 --> 01:17:31,188
began a disturbance in the city
1233
01:17:32,051 --> 01:17:34,042
marched to the anti-Maidan tents
1234
01:17:34,671 --> 01:17:35,891
and attacked them
1235
01:17:37,051 --> 01:17:40,741
the anti-Maidan protesters sought shelter in the trade union house
1236
01:17:41,128 --> 01:17:42,198
but it was a trap
1237
01:17:42,849 --> 01:17:46,689
Maidan supporters started throwing molotov cocktails to the building
1238
01:17:47,185 --> 01:17:48,515
until it caught on fire
1239
01:17:50,359 --> 01:17:51,779
people burnt inside or
1240
01:17:52,913 --> 01:17:54,003
trying to escape
1241
01:17:54,403 --> 01:17:55,713
jumped through the windows
1242
01:17:56,509 --> 01:17:58,819
although the fire station was less than a mile away
1243
01:17:59,615 --> 01:18:02,176
it took almost half an hour for them to arrive
1244
01:18:03,376 --> 01:18:05,735
and by then the damage had been done
1245
01:18:11,265 --> 01:18:13,076
but here is an interesting fact
1246
01:18:13,076 --> 01:18:15,105
just a few days before the tragedy
1247
01:18:15,975 --> 01:18:17,605
a messenger from Maidan
1248
01:18:18,167 --> 01:18:20,347
andriy parubiy made a visit to Odessa
1249
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,579
interesting coincidence that
1250
01:18:22,801 --> 01:18:24,921
some of those he was meeting with
1251
01:18:24,993 --> 01:18:27,873
were seen as active participants on that fateful day
1252
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,470
but not everyone was mourning
1253
01:18:36,759 --> 01:18:39,349
on the popular political talk-show shuster live
1254
01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:42,969
the news about the people burnt alive in Odessa
1255
01:18:43,296 --> 01:18:45,876
was welcomed with a long round of applause
1256
01:18:46,443 --> 01:18:48,722
oleg liashko: among the dead in Odessa
1257
01:18:48,722 --> 01:18:50,222
were 15 Russian citizens
1258
01:18:50,222 --> 01:18:52,342
10 were from transdnestria republic
1259
01:18:52,342 --> 01:18:53,863
and no one from Odessa
1260
01:18:55,740 --> 01:18:57,060
on its facebook page
1261
01:18:57,670 --> 01:19:00,500
the right sector announced the events of May 2nd
1262
01:19:00,815 --> 01:19:03,055
as a proud moment of national history
1263
01:19:04,141 --> 01:19:07,452
an official investigation is going on now for nearly two years
1264
01:19:08,798 --> 01:19:10,418
and still has no conclusion
1265
01:19:10,572 --> 01:19:14,742
but it seems that experts had all the information needed from the beginning
1266
01:19:15,586 --> 01:19:18,615
andriy parubiy: of course the provocation was started
1267
01:19:18,615 --> 01:19:20,975
by Putin's agents that attacked the ukrainian demonstration
1268
01:19:27,474 --> 01:19:29,354
the great importance of Odessa
1269
01:19:29,573 --> 01:19:32,093
can be seen in the fact that on May 30 2015
1270
01:19:32,336 --> 01:19:35,096
it was honored with a very special new governor
1271
01:19:40,592 --> 01:19:42,052
an old friend of the US
1272
01:19:43,489 --> 01:19:46,239
born and raised in Ukraine's neighboring country
1273
01:19:46,273 --> 01:19:46,903
Georgia
1274
01:19:48,581 --> 01:19:50,301
a quick look at his biography
1275
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:54,250
gives one understanding that he was prepared for a special mission
1276
01:19:54,385 --> 01:19:56,905
Michael Saakashvili: i'm a peaceful protester
1277
01:19:56,904 --> 01:19:58,354
take your hands off me
1278
01:19:58,354 --> 01:20:02,014
Mister Saakashvili was receiving a US state department scholarship
1279
01:20:02,496 --> 01:20:05,565
and later worked at the new york organization “Kmara”
1280
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,440
a group we heard about in color revolutions history
1281
01:20:10,744 --> 01:20:14,385
Saakashvili: what we have here is democratic bloodless revolution
1282
01:20:15,341 --> 01:20:17,141
this is the revolution of roses
1283
01:20:17,780 --> 01:20:20,251
and this is Michael Saakashvili with “kmara”
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overthrowing the legitimately elected president edward schewarnadze
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Saakashvili: changing the government by peaceful methods
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is the european way
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i'm proud of it
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soon after the rose revolution blossomed fully
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Georgia announced its intentions to join NATO
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and to build a NATO military base
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on fertile Georgian land
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right on the border of Russia
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Saakashvili: we will never give our freedom and independence
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we will never give a piece of our territory
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Saakashvili's mission was accomplished
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at least to his friends and NATO
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the Georgian populace wasn't quite as happy
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in 2007 they took it to the streets
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and Mr. Saakashvili responded with force
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the people's discontent was growing
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Saakashvili's party lost parliamentary elections
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and the opposition took control
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he said that according to the constitution
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the new parliament's majority
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has to form a new government with him as a president
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Michael decided not to wait
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the results of the new presidential elections
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and fled the country on October 2013
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in 2014 Saakashvili refused the summon to appear in court
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as a witness in some criminal cases
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later that same year he was accused of abuse of power and embezzlement
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Saakashvili wound up in the US
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and soon his friends in Washington found him a new assignment
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Michael actively supported the Maidan
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and very soon was rewarded with a high position
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in the new ukrainian government
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first as a the president's counselor
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and then as the governor of Odessa
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the day before taking this position
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he renounced his citizenship in Georgia
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and became a ukrainian citizen
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Saakashvili: I will always be a proud citizen
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of my proud homeland
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as they say the battle is worth the blood
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both literally and figuratively
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hино Бурджанадзе: I know well the true price of Mr. Saakashvilli's reforms
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he is actually a part of the ongoing in Ukraine project
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that is being carried out by certain forces
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Geoffrey Pyatt, the US ambassador to Ukraine
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had visited Saakashvili just a month
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after he took his position in Odessa
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geoffrey Pyatt: as long as the Odessa administration delivers results
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you're going to see a steady flow
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of Washington visitors coming here
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the meeting was productive
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and geoffrey was generous
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no matter how well Saakashvili did his job
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it seemed like he needn't worry about his finances
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on his facebook page he posted an official document
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showing the new governor of Odessa gets salary of almost 200 thousand dollars a year
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for comparison, the governor of maine gets 70 thousand dollars a year
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so if Odessa became a US state
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he would be at the top of the list
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Mr. Saakashvili must have felt good in his new home
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since he is an old fellow from the orange revolution of Viktor Ushenko
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who is the godfather of his son
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ex-president of Georgia Michael Saakashvili
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was assigned the governor of Odessa
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it is literally a spit
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an insult to the people of Odessa
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to all the ukrainian people
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he wasn't even granted a US working visa
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in the universities where they tried to put him to work
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they didn't want him
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but he was considered worthy
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of being the governor of Odessa
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are there no honest
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professional, able Ukrainians to do that job?
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a war, once launched
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doesn't choose its victims
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we are just learning at this hour
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that Malaysia Airlines
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has lost contact with one of its planes
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the plane was indeed shot down by a missile
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while flying over Ukraine near the Russian border
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298 people were on board
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no survivors found
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Perry: it was a murder, a crime
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and this odd carelessness about the investigation
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there was a report, a very limited report
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two months after the event
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and it was said that the next report
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would be on the anniversary of the event
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if you're dealing with a criminal investigation
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you need to work while the traces are still warm
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and one should wonder
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about the media's disinterest in this investigation
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but even without answers
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fingers were pointed immediately
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that's not an accident
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that is happening because of Russia's support
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evidence indicates that the plain was shot down by a missile
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that was launched from the territory
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controlled by the Russia-backed separatists inside of Ukraine
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without a doubt
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the country in which territory it happened
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is responsible for this horrible tragedy
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the malaysian boeing wasn't the first plane
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to play a big part in Russian-american relations
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on September 1st 1983
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korean airlines flight 007 new york - seoul
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was shot down by a soviet interceptor aircraft over territory of USSR in the sea of Japan
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Reagan: there is absolutely no justification
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either legal or moral for what the soviets did
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the tragedy of the korean boeing
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was considered a perfect excuse
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to demonstrate the NATO military power
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within dangerous proximity to USSR borders
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on November 2nd 1983
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NATO launched massive drills
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working on the scenario of response
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to an escalation causing nuclear war
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followed by placing a Pershing-2 ballistic missile in Europe
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what Reagan did
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could cause a paranoic overreaction of the soviets
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and start war
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a recently declassified US intelligence report shows that
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for the first time since the Cuban missile crisis
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the world got close to nuclear war
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just like in 1983
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the catastrophe with the malaysian aircraft
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is leverage to push the enemy
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a new wave of sanctions fell upon Russia immediately after that
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the US is declaring new sanctions against Russian economy
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almost a year and 3 months later
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the dutch safety council published the report
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man on a stage: ladies and gentlemen
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the MH17 crash was caused
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by the explosion of a 9H314M missile
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launched from an air defense missile system
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that exploded outside of the aircraft's cockpit
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the report didn't blame any specific group or person
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it estimated a very wide area of 300 square kilometers
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as the zone where the missile was fired
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at the same time
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the Russian missile systems manufacturing company “aлмаз-aнтей”
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conducted its own investigation
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Ian Novikov: the results of our experiment
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completely disprove the conclusions
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of the dutch commission about the missile type
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and the launch place
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during the experiment
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they blew up an entire airliner cockpit with a missile
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and came to the conclusion
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that the malaysian plane was shot down
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by an old 9M38M1 missile
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not used any more by Russia
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but still used by Ukraine
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the company claims that the missile was launched
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from the territory controlled by the ukrainian military
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one would expect that these controversial results
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would cause the rise of interest on this incident
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01:28:30,904 --> 01:28:32,934
but the malaysian boeing tragedy
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had already fulfilled its geopolitical role
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01:28:37,306 --> 01:28:38,987
and so was soon forgotten
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01:28:39,306 --> 01:28:40,726
the goal was achieved
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01:28:41,407 --> 01:28:44,067
after the third wave of sanctions against Russia
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the tension between the two countries skyrocketed
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and the question now becomes
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are we truly witnessing cold war II
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and if so what are the chances of surviving it
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01:29:12,854 --> 01:29:15,134
in 1947 the bulletin of atomic scientists
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launched the doomsday clock project
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it represents the time-line to the annihilation of life
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01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,630
in 1953 at the peak of the cold war
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it was closest to midnight
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01:29:34,060 --> 01:29:37,390
as the superpowers were creating massive nuclear arsenals
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this is the story of ever expanding nuclear weapons
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as the world began to grasp the insane danger of nuclear warfare
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and took measures to control the arms race
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the situation was constantly getting better
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in 1991 the clock was its furthest ever
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17 minutes to midnight
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that time of hope was short-lived
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as the world was becoming more and more unstable
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in 2015 the bulletin of atomic scientists moved the clock
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to 3 minutes to midnight
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today uncertain climate change
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the modernization of nuclear weapons
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and huge arsenals
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01:30:22,278 --> 01:30:23,927
present undeniable threat
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to the existence of humanity
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the US and Russia
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launched massive nuclear weapons upgrade programs
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which violates the existing agreements on reduction of nuclear potential
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01:30:46,824 --> 01:30:49,295
the clock is now just 3 minutes to midnight
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because international leaders are failing to perform their most important duty
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ensuring and preserving the health and vitality of human civilization
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Perry: the role of an american journalist
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is to inform the american people the best you can
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in what you were able to find out
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and to not be afraid of any kind of attacks that come with that
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Nuland: the vast majority
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of those who participated in Maidan
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were peaceful protesters
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uhh if you had a chance to see the pictures
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many of us participated
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I was there
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there were mothers, grandmothers, veterans
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congressman: before you proceed
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i'd like to ask you
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were there neo Nazi groups involved?
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Nuland: there were, as I said
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almost every color of ukrainian represented there
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including not the best of them
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congressman: so the answer is yes
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Perry: and that's the patriotic role of a democratic journalist
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is to give the public as much information as possible
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01:32:28,462 --> 01:32:31,362
so they can operate their role of responsible citizen
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and to control the government
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01:32:36,106 --> 01:32:38,636
or at least to be aware of what is happening
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01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:42,869
we truly believe that there is only one way
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01:32:43,042 --> 01:32:45,892
to protect yourself from this game of manipulation
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01:32:46,475 --> 01:32:47,265
awareness
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01:32:47,787 --> 01:32:49,057
knowledge is power
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01:32:49,652 --> 01:32:51,742
the ability to recognize the red flags
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01:32:54,119 --> 01:32:58,119
and save your country from being dragged in all this chaos and mayhem
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01:32:59,064 --> 01:33:01,324
this relates to each and everyone of us
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01:33:01,981 --> 01:33:05,442
because war today does not only come with tanks and bombs
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01:33:05,484 --> 01:33:07,963
it comes with the manipulative mass media
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01:33:07,972 --> 01:33:09,403
the journalism that lies
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01:33:09,511 --> 01:33:11,111
and hides and twists facts
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01:33:11,694 --> 01:33:14,154
that are more focused on making the news
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01:33:14,268 --> 01:33:16,087
rather than on reporting them
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01:33:16,185 --> 01:33:18,239
Zaharchenko: I want to believe that
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01:33:20,088 --> 01:33:21,889
there will be peace in Ukraine
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there will be law and order
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01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:29,780
there will be democracy
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I wish the best for Ukraine
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Yanukovich: I pray to God that the people in Ukraine reunite
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for all the hate that now exists to disappear
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01:33:49,447 --> 01:33:51,827
I wish that there will be peace in Ukraine
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we understand that the world has changed
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01:34:00,184 --> 01:34:03,204
you can't keep everything frozen in a state of cold war
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01:34:04,929 --> 01:34:06,748
you need to look to the future
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01:34:14,962 --> 01:34:16,412
many times in our film
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we have shown the spiral of history
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01:34:19,173 --> 01:34:21,283
while we often repeat our mistakes
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01:34:21,947 --> 01:34:24,157
it also always gives us another chance
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and hope
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