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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:27,087 --> 00:01:29,374 Here, set of aluminium saucepans. 2 00:01:29,464 --> 00:01:32,047 Never seen daylight, moonlight or Fanny By Gaslight. 3 00:01:43,604 --> 00:01:45,391 Growing up in London, me and my mates 4 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,894 used to hear our parents talking about "the good old days". 5 00:01:49,651 --> 00:01:52,394 We asked ourselves, "What was so good about them?" 6 00:02:25,354 --> 00:02:28,347 There was depression, unemployment, 7 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,773 World War Il, the Blitz. 8 00:02:30,859 --> 00:02:33,647 And even when it was all over, food was rationed. 9 00:02:43,246 --> 00:02:45,488 The Cockneys were always looked upon kindly in England, 10 00:02:45,582 --> 00:02:46,993 but in the way you look kindly upon 11 00:02:47,084 --> 00:02:49,497 - Mickey Mouse or puppets, you know? - Yeah, yeah. 12 00:02:49,586 --> 00:02:52,078 They say, "Oh, aren't they nice? Aren't they clever?" You know. 13 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:54,209 As though they've wound you up and you do something. 14 00:02:54,299 --> 00:02:57,633 Well, along came a generation of which I'm probably about the oldest. 15 00:02:57,719 --> 00:02:59,756 I feel like a grandfather with most of them. 16 00:02:59,846 --> 00:03:01,007 I'm 33. 17 00:03:01,098 --> 00:03:04,512 We decided that we weren't gonna be Mickey Mouse any more, 18 00:03:04,601 --> 00:03:06,388 at least, we'd be people, you know, 19 00:03:06,478 --> 00:03:09,346 whether they liked it or not, and that's what we did. 20 00:03:56,737 --> 00:03:58,729 For the first time in British history, 21 00:03:58,822 --> 00:04:03,817 the young working class, people like me, stood up for ourselves and said, 22 00:04:04,369 --> 00:04:08,989 "We are here, this is our society and we are not going away." 23 00:04:25,932 --> 00:04:27,673 What was it all about? 24 00:04:28,310 --> 00:04:29,926 I'm gonna show you. 25 00:05:51,893 --> 00:05:55,102 You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off! 26 00:05:55,647 --> 00:05:59,266 Britain in the 1950s was stable, conventional, 27 00:05:59,943 --> 00:06:02,230 predictable and dull. 28 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,027 But that's the way our parents liked it. 29 00:06:04,573 --> 00:06:07,907 My generation demanded a new beginning. 30 00:07:03,882 --> 00:07:05,999 I wasn't always Michael Caine. 31 00:07:06,092 --> 00:07:08,550 I was born Maurice Joseph Micklewhite. 32 00:07:09,721 --> 00:07:11,929 My mother was a charlady, a cleaner. 33 00:07:12,641 --> 00:07:15,099 And my father was a Billingsgate fish market porter. 34 00:07:15,810 --> 00:07:17,722 I was expected to follow in his footsteps, 35 00:07:18,813 --> 00:07:20,395 but I hated the smell of fish. 36 00:07:22,233 --> 00:07:24,065 Maurice Micklewhite, are you? 37 00:07:24,152 --> 00:07:25,142 Yes, I am. 38 00:07:25,487 --> 00:07:26,477 No. 39 00:07:26,988 --> 00:07:29,731 Oh, my God, aren't you like your father? 40 00:07:29,824 --> 00:07:32,612 Cos I didn't think anybody would be left down here. 41 00:07:32,702 --> 00:07:35,160 Your mother and I were very good friends. 42 00:07:35,246 --> 00:07:38,114 - Yes, you were, indeed. Yes. - And your dear old father. 43 00:07:38,208 --> 00:07:41,372 The times we used to pick up old Mrs Faulkner. 44 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:43,828 Yeah! Off the floor. 45 00:07:43,922 --> 00:07:45,754 You remember those times, 46 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,547 - don't you, boy? - Yeah, I remember. I do. 47 00:07:47,634 --> 00:07:49,341 As an English child grows, 48 00:07:49,427 --> 00:07:53,797 he becomes aware he has already been assigned a place in a large game, 49 00:07:53,890 --> 00:07:56,974 a system as intricate and elaborate as a maze. 50 00:07:57,394 --> 00:07:58,635 A maze of tradition, 51 00:07:59,521 --> 00:08:02,104 outmoded rules about who should succeed 52 00:08:03,108 --> 00:08:04,644 in the eyes of the establishment. 53 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:10,480 Discipline is indispensable to a progressive and mature society. 54 00:08:11,157 --> 00:08:12,989 Given discipline in the home 55 00:08:13,076 --> 00:08:14,283 and school, 56 00:08:14,369 --> 00:08:16,361 in college and at the work bench, 57 00:08:16,621 --> 00:08:20,615 the foundations for happiness are well-established. 58 00:08:53,408 --> 00:08:55,240 My dad was just an East End lad. 59 00:08:55,326 --> 00:08:57,238 My mum wanted something better for us. 60 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:06,077 My dad was a very talented musician 61 00:09:06,171 --> 00:09:07,582 but he had to go out and work. 62 00:09:10,050 --> 00:09:12,212 - As I'm sure your parents did. - They did, yeah. 63 00:09:12,302 --> 00:09:14,919 So, all his dreams about becoming a musician 64 00:09:15,013 --> 00:09:16,254 went out the window. 65 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,456 As a kid, me and my friends 66 00:09:48,546 --> 00:09:51,129 spent as much time as possible in the cinema. 67 00:09:52,258 --> 00:09:56,172 But the films we saw had nothing to do with our lives. 68 00:09:56,971 --> 00:09:58,883 No heroes we could relate to. 69 00:10:01,726 --> 00:10:02,842 From the way they talked, 70 00:10:02,936 --> 00:10:05,098 I thought all the actors were dukes and duchesses. 71 00:10:05,313 --> 00:10:06,394 Pure satin. 72 00:10:06,815 --> 00:10:08,852 Satin? Lace, actually. 73 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:11,275 No, Major, I meant your voice. 74 00:10:11,694 --> 00:10:13,481 I'm so desperately in love with you. 75 00:10:13,571 --> 00:10:15,062 Well, you really think you are. 76 00:10:15,156 --> 00:10:16,613 I can't eat or sleep for thinking of you. 77 00:10:16,699 --> 00:10:18,611 - You know Mr Gore-Brown, my new boss. - How do you do? 78 00:10:18,701 --> 00:10:19,691 Sir Henry Hazelrigg 79 00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:20,993 - and Major D'Arcy Davenport. - How do you do? 80 00:10:21,079 --> 00:10:23,036 Well, welcome to the toughest way of earning a living 81 00:10:23,123 --> 00:10:25,160 in this so-called civilised world, Mr Gore-Brown. 82 00:10:29,963 --> 00:10:32,330 Not that my East End mates would go and see Brief Encounter 83 00:10:32,423 --> 00:10:35,166 but for some reason, I saw it. 84 00:10:36,177 --> 00:10:39,170 It was a love story about a middle-aged couple. 85 00:10:40,181 --> 00:10:41,171 And it was funny. 86 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:42,464 I love you. 87 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:43,549 "I love you." 88 00:10:43,643 --> 00:10:44,724 You love me, too. 89 00:10:44,811 --> 00:10:45,801 "I love you, too." 90 00:10:45,895 --> 00:10:47,102 Yes. 91 00:10:47,188 --> 00:10:49,771 I don't want to pretend anything, either to you or to anyone else. 92 00:10:50,567 --> 00:10:51,557 What did she say? 93 00:10:51,985 --> 00:10:52,975 And the other one says, 94 00:10:53,444 --> 00:10:54,651 "She says, 'I love you.' 95 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:55,894 "Shut up." 96 00:10:56,447 --> 00:10:59,611 I look down on him because I am upper class. 97 00:11:00,660 --> 00:11:03,619 I look up to him because he is upper class. 98 00:11:04,455 --> 00:11:07,448 But I look down on him because he is lower class. 99 00:11:09,294 --> 00:11:10,375 I am middle class. 100 00:11:13,923 --> 00:11:15,209 I know my place. 101 00:11:19,095 --> 00:11:21,178 We were supposed to respect our betters. 102 00:11:21,264 --> 00:11:24,507 The nobs, the toffs, the people who had all the power. 103 00:11:25,143 --> 00:11:27,180 The establishment, as we knew them. 104 00:11:33,359 --> 00:11:36,477 We were all brought up to be servants. 105 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:38,938 I mean, we were never gonna be the masters. 106 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:52,500 Lady Lewisham, what do you think about our teenagers? 107 00:11:52,587 --> 00:11:54,328 I think they're splendid, 108 00:11:54,422 --> 00:11:56,209 and I'm delighted you asked me that question, 109 00:11:56,299 --> 00:11:58,666 cos I sometimes think they get rather a raw deal. 110 00:11:59,344 --> 00:12:01,427 This was the first generation that had 111 00:12:02,305 --> 00:12:04,422 the potential to make a mark at the time. 112 00:12:06,851 --> 00:12:08,888 But the older generation 113 00:12:08,978 --> 00:12:10,685 still clung to the days 114 00:12:10,772 --> 00:12:13,606 when Britain ruled over half the civilised world. 115 00:12:15,902 --> 00:12:18,770 We'll arise like lions and get our Empire back. 116 00:12:19,572 --> 00:12:21,404 The bloody great British Empire 117 00:12:21,824 --> 00:12:23,986 that your bloody Labour rubbish give away to, 118 00:12:24,077 --> 00:12:26,194 to the people it belonged to. 119 00:12:29,999 --> 00:12:31,365 Whether we like it or not, 120 00:12:31,459 --> 00:12:34,748 the wind of change is blowing through this country. 121 00:12:38,007 --> 00:12:40,715 But we don't need generals any more. 122 00:12:40,802 --> 00:12:41,883 There isn't a war going on. 123 00:12:42,136 --> 00:12:45,300 I wasn't prepared to follow any of the principles, 124 00:12:45,390 --> 00:12:47,973 morals, outlooks on life 125 00:12:48,059 --> 00:12:52,224 of what were, I laughingly call "my betters". 126 00:12:52,313 --> 00:12:54,270 And which is what I was actually taught at school, 127 00:12:54,357 --> 00:12:55,723 I was taught all about my betters. 128 00:12:56,317 --> 00:12:59,606 I never understood who my betters were supposed to be. 129 00:13:00,780 --> 00:13:03,113 I've never seen any of my betters. 130 00:13:03,992 --> 00:13:05,654 I've seen a lot of my equals 131 00:13:06,619 --> 00:13:08,576 but I've still never seen any of my betters. 132 00:13:09,789 --> 00:13:11,325 From my generation, 133 00:13:11,499 --> 00:13:13,661 the Labour government coming in in '45... 134 00:13:13,918 --> 00:13:15,875 - Yeah, yeah. - ...the Health Service, 135 00:13:15,962 --> 00:13:17,419 the change of diet, 136 00:13:17,505 --> 00:13:19,417 - the change of healthcare... - Yeah. 137 00:13:19,507 --> 00:13:23,626 ...and good education for everybody. I think that set the '60s up. 138 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,962 I mean, you got a very good education, too. 139 00:13:26,055 --> 00:13:27,045 Yeah, yeah. 140 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:29,883 we didn't have to pay for education. 141 00:13:29,976 --> 00:13:31,137 I loved it 142 00:13:31,227 --> 00:13:33,093 and I was very glad to go to a grammar school. 143 00:13:33,187 --> 00:13:34,177 - I did. - Did you? 144 00:13:34,272 --> 00:13:35,888 - Grammar school boys! - Grammar school. 145 00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:38,019 Come on! Give it up for grammar school. 146 00:13:38,109 --> 00:13:40,977 Well, I always say to people, you know, I got this real posh education 147 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:42,060 for nothing. 148 00:13:42,739 --> 00:13:45,447 I always wanted to be an actress 149 00:13:45,533 --> 00:13:47,741 and my father said, "No, no, you can't be an actress. 150 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:50,240 "It's terrible. It's a terrible profession. 151 00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:52,697 "And I want you to go to a secretarial school 152 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:55,954 "and find a good man, get married and have a nice life." 153 00:13:57,211 --> 00:14:00,045 There was this kinda science teacher when I was about 12, 154 00:14:00,214 --> 00:14:02,046 he showed me how to develop film. 155 00:14:02,133 --> 00:14:03,624 So I used to go down my mum's cellar. 156 00:14:03,718 --> 00:14:08,133 I used to nick the chemicals from school and process film 157 00:14:08,348 --> 00:14:09,429 from my mother's Brownie 158 00:14:10,308 --> 00:14:11,719 to see if I could photograph birds. 159 00:14:12,352 --> 00:14:13,342 Birds? 160 00:14:13,561 --> 00:14:15,427 Oh, I was quite interested in ornithology. 161 00:14:15,521 --> 00:14:17,604 Oh, I thought... Oh, sorry, I mistook that. 162 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:20,273 No, no. OK, I get it now, yeah. 163 00:14:22,904 --> 00:14:25,112 When I saw Elvis, it did something to me. 164 00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:26,905 And it wasn't just the song, 165 00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:29,699 and it wasn't just the fact that everybody was talking about it. 166 00:14:29,786 --> 00:14:32,073 It was something animalistic. 167 00:14:35,249 --> 00:14:37,707 I'd seen someone that was free. 168 00:14:37,794 --> 00:14:40,582 Completely and utterly free. 169 00:14:40,671 --> 00:14:43,163 And I thought, "I've gotta do that. I've gotta do... I've gotta be... 170 00:14:43,257 --> 00:14:44,247 "That's what I wanna do." 171 00:14:58,773 --> 00:15:01,015 I wanted to be an actor from the age of 10 172 00:15:01,109 --> 00:15:04,693 but I mean, people with my accent and background 173 00:15:05,488 --> 00:15:06,945 hardly ever became actors. 174 00:15:08,157 --> 00:15:09,739 But I was in a school play 175 00:15:11,119 --> 00:15:12,109 and when I came on, 176 00:15:12,787 --> 00:15:14,153 I immediately got a laugh 177 00:15:15,498 --> 00:15:17,034 because my flies were undone. 178 00:15:18,209 --> 00:15:19,370 But 179 00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:21,243 I was hooked. 180 00:15:22,004 --> 00:15:23,336 So, you know, when he was working, 181 00:15:23,423 --> 00:15:26,211 he was always miles away, you know, dreaming what he was gonna be 182 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:28,587 and what he wasn't gonna be and 183 00:15:28,678 --> 00:15:31,887 - we used to think he was a bit cranky. - We used to think he was a nutcase, 184 00:15:31,973 --> 00:15:33,089 didn't we? Let's face it. 185 00:15:33,850 --> 00:15:35,512 To be honest, I was happy 186 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:38,768 just to make a few quid being an actor in repertory. 187 00:15:39,939 --> 00:15:41,851 Playing in draughty theatres, 188 00:15:41,941 --> 00:15:44,058 living in draughty rooms. 189 00:15:45,236 --> 00:15:47,694 I never thought that I would be famous. 190 00:15:48,531 --> 00:15:49,521 Never. 191 00:15:58,291 --> 00:15:59,953 And so you've got a long way to go. 192 00:16:01,752 --> 00:16:03,334 Don't become too good too early. 193 00:16:09,719 --> 00:16:12,302 So, I was in rep, doing a play up in Liverpool 194 00:16:13,055 --> 00:16:15,217 and we used to go out and have coffee and sandwiches 195 00:16:15,308 --> 00:16:17,049 at lunchtime at this coffee bar. 196 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,222 And it was always smothered in girls. 197 00:16:19,645 --> 00:16:20,886 That's gonna get you down there. 198 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:22,141 Yeah. 199 00:16:22,523 --> 00:16:23,513 That was us, yeah. 200 00:16:49,550 --> 00:16:52,588 To get in, you had to kind of bluff a bit. 201 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,837 - It was officially a blues club. - Yeah. 202 00:16:55,181 --> 00:16:56,547 We didn't know any blues. 203 00:16:56,641 --> 00:16:58,507 - It was all rock and roll, what we knew. - Yeah, sure. 204 00:16:58,601 --> 00:17:00,809 We were getting notes from the guy. 205 00:17:00,895 --> 00:17:02,978 "This is not blues!" 206 00:17:03,064 --> 00:17:04,475 Anyway, we bluffed it. 207 00:17:06,317 --> 00:17:07,853 I mean, I had my guitar. 208 00:17:07,944 --> 00:17:10,027 Mick Jagger had his in London, 209 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:12,236 and Eric Burdon was up in Newcastle 210 00:17:12,323 --> 00:17:14,406 and we're all going through the same changes at once. 211 00:17:14,575 --> 00:17:16,191 And you could make it without 212 00:17:17,161 --> 00:17:20,245 college and education and all those things, you know? 213 00:17:44,355 --> 00:17:46,221 Of course, with being very poor. 214 00:17:46,315 --> 00:17:48,773 there was no way I was gonna be able to buy a guitar. 215 00:17:48,859 --> 00:17:51,146 Yeah, how do you start? You gotta get musical instruments. 216 00:17:51,237 --> 00:17:52,273 Yeah, so I went out and bought some wood 217 00:17:52,363 --> 00:17:54,104 like so many of our guys did. 218 00:17:54,699 --> 00:17:56,736 We all went out and made our first guitars. 219 00:17:56,826 --> 00:17:59,239 - Made them? - We made them, yeah. We made them. 220 00:17:59,328 --> 00:18:02,446 And they weren't very good. And they didn't last very long. 221 00:18:02,915 --> 00:18:06,079 But all you needed to do was have something that made a noise. 222 00:18:06,168 --> 00:18:07,158 Really? 223 00:18:07,253 --> 00:18:10,337 And if you learnt three chords you can play many, many songs. 224 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,928 And after they learned those three chords, 225 00:18:18,014 --> 00:18:20,301 most kids headed for London. 226 00:18:21,267 --> 00:18:23,850 It's where everybody who wanted to be somebody 227 00:18:23,936 --> 00:18:25,052 wanted to be. 228 00:18:25,146 --> 00:18:26,227 You might be out of work, 229 00:18:26,731 --> 00:18:28,188 you might be broke, 230 00:18:28,274 --> 00:18:29,310 but it was cheap 231 00:18:29,984 --> 00:18:33,022 and you lived within two miles of Buckingham Palace. 232 00:18:33,696 --> 00:18:35,278 Oh, that was a great time. 233 00:18:35,364 --> 00:18:38,027 We all used to just go round London in our cars 234 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,234 and meet each other and talk about music. 235 00:18:40,786 --> 00:18:42,698 And we were very close to the Stones. 236 00:18:42,913 --> 00:18:44,905 I spent a lot of time with Brian and Mick. 237 00:18:44,999 --> 00:18:46,490 And I admired them, you know. 238 00:18:46,667 --> 00:18:49,034 I dug them the first time I saw them in Richmond. 239 00:18:51,422 --> 00:18:54,039 And you know we wrote their first number one? 240 00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:55,669 Wait a minute, what one was that? 241 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,468 So, one day, me and John were in Charing Cross Road 242 00:18:58,554 --> 00:18:59,635 cos that was where all 243 00:18:59,722 --> 00:19:01,805 - the guitar shops were. - Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. 244 00:19:01,891 --> 00:19:03,803 And we used to go down. That was like our mecca. 245 00:19:03,893 --> 00:19:06,260 And we were coming out of a shop one day 246 00:19:06,354 --> 00:19:08,562 and we saw this taxi with Rolling Stones 247 00:19:08,731 --> 00:19:09,721 and we were, "Hey!" 248 00:19:09,982 --> 00:19:11,848 So, we got in, and we're talking, and they say, 249 00:19:11,942 --> 00:19:14,605 "Oh, we got a record contract with Decca, you know? Great." 250 00:19:14,695 --> 00:19:16,812 And Mick said, "Trouble is, we haven't got a song." 251 00:19:17,406 --> 00:19:19,193 And I go, "Drr-drr-drr!" 252 00:19:19,283 --> 00:19:20,865 I go, "Well, we've got one." 253 00:19:41,347 --> 00:19:43,714 I thought the Stones wrote that one themselves. 254 00:19:43,808 --> 00:19:45,595 No, we wrote that when we were so high. 255 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,637 How do you compare your group with The Beatles? 256 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:53,478 I don't know. How do you compare it with The Beatles? 257 00:19:53,567 --> 00:19:55,684 I don't compare it at all, you know. There's no point. 258 00:19:55,778 --> 00:19:57,610 Well, let's get right down to the brass tacks. 259 00:19:57,697 --> 00:19:59,313 Do you think you're better than they are? 260 00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:02,107 At what? You know, it's not the same group. 261 00:20:02,702 --> 00:20:04,659 - It was part of a movement. - Yeah. 262 00:20:04,745 --> 00:20:06,907 Because while we were still up in Liverpool, 263 00:20:06,997 --> 00:20:09,239 we were seeing people like you, 264 00:20:09,834 --> 00:20:12,622 Albert Finney, Courtenay, 265 00:20:12,712 --> 00:20:14,499 who were ordinary, working-class boys, 266 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:16,166 who talked with regional accents. 267 00:20:16,382 --> 00:20:18,499 I've only clocked you, that's all, you're... 268 00:20:18,592 --> 00:20:20,458 You're Crafty Arthur from the Basin. 269 00:20:21,178 --> 00:20:24,342 I shouldn't worry too much, sir. We can always shut down a reactor. 270 00:20:24,432 --> 00:20:25,422 Yes. 271 00:20:26,142 --> 00:20:27,303 Pity if we had to, though. 272 00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:29,634 Don't let the bastards grind you down! 273 00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:30,845 That's one thing I've learned. 274 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:34,306 Ordinary lads, you know, and they were now making it. 275 00:20:34,775 --> 00:20:37,438 - You were expected to sort of talk posh. - Yeah. 276 00:20:37,528 --> 00:20:40,271 And we didn't or couldn't, and didn't want to. 277 00:20:41,741 --> 00:20:43,778 My real name was Maurice Micklewhite, 278 00:20:43,868 --> 00:20:45,700 which is a bit of a mouthful for an actor. 279 00:20:45,786 --> 00:20:48,073 So I changed it to Michael White. 280 00:20:48,748 --> 00:20:50,114 Then I came to London 281 00:20:50,291 --> 00:20:52,954 and every night I used to go to Leicester Square, 282 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:54,242 in a phone booth, 283 00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:56,749 and call my agent to see if there was any work. 284 00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:58,922 And one night she said, "I've got a job for you. 285 00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:00,248 "It's on television." 286 00:21:00,718 --> 00:21:03,131 She said, "And you've got to join Equity, the trade union." 287 00:21:03,220 --> 00:21:06,258 So I said, "OK, I'll join it." She said, "But you've gotta change your name." 288 00:21:06,348 --> 00:21:08,305 She said, "Because there's another Michael White 289 00:21:08,392 --> 00:21:09,553 "already in Equity. 290 00:21:09,977 --> 00:21:11,184 "So, I want the name now." 291 00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:13,353 She said, "Obviously, you can keep the name Michael, 292 00:21:13,439 --> 00:21:14,646 "but I want another surname." 293 00:21:15,065 --> 00:21:17,182 So, I looked round Leicester Square at the cinemas 294 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:20,064 and there was my favourite actor, Humphrey Bogart 295 00:21:20,488 --> 00:21:21,604 in The Caine Mutiny. 296 00:21:21,697 --> 00:21:23,108 And I thought, "This is fantastic." 297 00:21:23,199 --> 00:21:26,317 So I said, "Michael Caine." She said, "How do you spell it?" 298 00:21:26,410 --> 00:21:28,197 I said, "C-A-I-N-E." 299 00:21:28,996 --> 00:21:30,612 And that's how I became Michael Caine. 300 00:21:30,998 --> 00:21:32,990 If I'd have gone to the cinema next door 301 00:21:33,626 --> 00:21:36,118 I would've been "Michael 101 Dalmatians." 302 00:21:36,629 --> 00:21:39,121 Music in this country was very watery and weak 303 00:21:39,215 --> 00:21:40,626 and not really worth talking about. 304 00:21:40,716 --> 00:21:41,957 Then all of a sudden, you know, 305 00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:45,760 the kids in England were thinking for themselves, you know. 306 00:21:45,971 --> 00:21:49,681 They were beginning to sort of build up their own ideas about fashion. 307 00:21:49,767 --> 00:21:52,601 And build up their own ideas about music. 308 00:22:46,699 --> 00:22:49,942 I really don't care whether they think we're a load of yobs or not. 309 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,530 It doesn't worry me. 310 00:22:51,787 --> 00:22:54,370 Cos maybe I am. I don't really care. I'm just what I am. 311 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,493 It was like slaughtering a beast. 312 00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:36,117 The thing could howl, it could scream. 313 00:23:36,206 --> 00:23:38,163 It was doing all kinds of noises... 314 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:40,412 ...that you could only do by smashing it. 315 00:23:40,753 --> 00:23:43,871 We were led in through that period of the Cold War 316 00:23:43,964 --> 00:23:45,830 - where we were with the Cuban Crisis. - Exactly! Yeah. 317 00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:48,963 We had three minutes to live. You just did everything now. 318 00:24:10,866 --> 00:24:13,153 Twenty years ago, it was music, 319 00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:15,572 it was melody, you wanted to dance to it. 320 00:24:16,872 --> 00:24:19,330 This is London calling the British Empire. 321 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:21,583 This is the BBC Light Programme. 322 00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:23,035 Here is the ten o'clock news. 323 00:24:23,128 --> 00:24:25,415 Ladies and gentlemen... 324 00:24:28,926 --> 00:24:31,168 The BBC Home and Forces Programme. 325 00:24:31,637 --> 00:24:32,627 Here is the news. 326 00:24:40,562 --> 00:24:42,679 When I was a kid, the bloke who read the news 327 00:24:42,773 --> 00:24:45,982 on the BBC, he wore an evening suit. 328 00:24:47,069 --> 00:24:49,026 And that was on the radio. 329 00:24:50,364 --> 00:24:52,856 And that attitude still existed 330 00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:54,691 among the stiffs who ran the place. 331 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,403 They didn't want us to be exposed to the evils 332 00:24:58,497 --> 00:24:59,704 of the pop music 333 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,954 of The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who. 334 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:06,832 But whenever the old guard told us what we couldn't do, 335 00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:09,664 we always found a way to do it. 336 00:25:30,404 --> 00:25:32,646 We've records on radio. Lovely! 337 00:25:35,826 --> 00:25:38,034 This is Radio Caroline, 338 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,157 three and a half miles off the coast of Britain. 339 00:25:41,081 --> 00:25:44,290 The last free radio station in the world. 340 00:25:47,337 --> 00:25:48,919 Good morning! This is Radio Caroline, 341 00:25:49,006 --> 00:25:51,544 broadcasting on 259 metres in the medium wave. 342 00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:54,421 And welcome to the show! You're with the Admiral Robbie Dale 343 00:25:54,511 --> 00:25:58,175 through till 9:00 this evening. Remember, of course, it's 259... 344 00:25:58,265 --> 00:26:00,678 We want food! We want food! 345 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:13,278 All broadcasting, ultimately, was responsible to the government, 346 00:26:13,363 --> 00:26:14,979 to the representatives of the government. 347 00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:18,818 Now, these people are not. They are a law unto themselves. 348 00:26:19,286 --> 00:26:22,404 They are, in fact, pirates. The word is a correct one. 349 00:26:23,165 --> 00:26:25,452 They are pirates. They are, in fact, outlaws. 350 00:26:27,086 --> 00:26:30,796 If a new animal comes into a group of animals 351 00:26:30,881 --> 00:26:33,589 that are already together, the other animals will attack it. 352 00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:36,627 Because they don't know it, and they're afraid of it. 353 00:26:36,804 --> 00:26:39,296 The pirates are a menace, and I don't believe at all 354 00:26:39,807 --> 00:26:43,221 that the public wouldn't support action to enforce the law. 355 00:26:43,644 --> 00:26:45,852 We broadcast 24 hours a day 356 00:26:46,146 --> 00:26:49,310 to Britain, France, Holland, many other European countries. 357 00:26:49,566 --> 00:26:50,898 We fight for freedom. 358 00:26:51,068 --> 00:26:54,687 And we will fight until we are physically put down. 359 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,616 The old rule book was being torn up 360 00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:10,284 and thrown away. 361 00:27:10,796 --> 00:27:12,537 It was happening in my profession, too. 362 00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:15,840 I was up for a big film, to play a Cockney Corporal. 363 00:27:18,178 --> 00:27:20,170 And I had to go to the audition 364 00:27:20,264 --> 00:27:22,005 and I didn't have a phone at that time. 365 00:27:22,099 --> 00:27:23,556 And when I got to the audition, 366 00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:25,725 the director said, "I'm terribly sorry." 367 00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:27,427 He said, "We couldn't get in touch with you. 368 00:27:27,521 --> 00:27:29,513 "We've cast that part already." You know? 369 00:27:29,606 --> 00:27:30,596 So, I was turned down. 370 00:27:30,691 --> 00:27:32,899 But I'd been turned down so many times it didn't matter. 371 00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:34,692 And the room was very long, 372 00:27:34,778 --> 00:27:36,440 which was fortunate for my movie career, 373 00:27:36,530 --> 00:27:38,021 cos by the time I got to the door, 374 00:27:38,699 --> 00:27:40,816 the director said, "Come back a minute. Come here." 375 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:44,903 Now, I was very slim, 6'2", long, blond hair. 376 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,906 He said, "You sort of look like 377 00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:50,624 "an officer type, you know?" 378 00:27:51,295 --> 00:27:55,039 So I said, "Thank you." He said, "Can you do a posh accent?" 379 00:27:56,216 --> 00:27:59,425 I said, "I have been in rep for nine years, 380 00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:01,252 "I can do any accent you want." 381 00:28:03,098 --> 00:28:04,430 I was very nervous, I remember. 382 00:28:04,808 --> 00:28:06,925 I remember Cy Endfield, when he did the first take, 383 00:28:08,228 --> 00:28:10,641 said "Cut!" halfway through the very first take 384 00:28:11,231 --> 00:28:14,349 and he said, "Michael, " he said, "your voice has gone up about three octaves." 385 00:28:14,735 --> 00:28:18,024 And my voice was up here with nerves and they could hardly record it. 386 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,647 And we had to start again, and then I brought my voice down. 387 00:28:20,991 --> 00:28:23,074 But what had happened was, is everybody had come out 388 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,573 because they were sure this Cockney couldn't speak like that. 389 00:28:26,246 --> 00:28:27,782 Who said you could use my men? 390 00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:32,162 They were sitting around on their backsides doing nothing. 391 00:28:34,463 --> 00:28:36,329 Rather you asked first, old boy. 392 00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:39,712 That's how I got a starring role in a movie for the first time. 393 00:28:41,136 --> 00:28:44,846 The thing is if that director hadn't been an American 394 00:28:44,932 --> 00:28:47,390 but had been a British director, 395 00:28:47,476 --> 00:28:49,638 through no malice or no fault of his own, 396 00:28:50,687 --> 00:28:52,098 he would never 397 00:28:52,189 --> 00:28:54,977 have cast this Cockney boy as an officer, 398 00:28:55,984 --> 00:28:57,145 not in a million years. 399 00:28:58,528 --> 00:29:02,272 That's how strong the class system was in England back then. 400 00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:25,298 And suddenly, 401 00:29:25,514 --> 00:29:29,133 people realised that the working class wasn't as thick as it looked. 402 00:29:29,226 --> 00:29:30,558 - And it had talent. - Yeah. 403 00:29:30,644 --> 00:29:32,886 There was very talented people. 404 00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:33,970 It was a revolution. 405 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:41,227 And I don't agree with anything that they do. 406 00:29:41,488 --> 00:29:42,979 Young people are like they are 407 00:29:43,073 --> 00:29:46,908 because our society is throwing up this sort of problem. 408 00:29:48,078 --> 00:29:50,286 I think the whole thing is a lot of unfresh rubbish. 409 00:29:51,665 --> 00:29:52,746 I just thought 410 00:29:52,833 --> 00:29:54,699 there was more of us than there was of them. 411 00:29:54,793 --> 00:29:57,251 Do you know, that never occurred to me? 412 00:30:00,465 --> 00:30:02,127 But it seems to me 413 00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:04,045 that a good time is... 414 00:30:05,095 --> 00:30:08,634 is much easier had by all now than ever before. 415 00:30:14,771 --> 00:30:17,138 Any one thing that's preached by our people in particular 416 00:30:17,232 --> 00:30:19,519 it's that you do what you wanna do, when you want. 417 00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:24,187 This isn't the first generation that's questioned the moral values 418 00:30:24,281 --> 00:30:25,647 of the last generation. 419 00:30:34,416 --> 00:30:35,907 You know, on recent trips to London 420 00:30:36,001 --> 00:30:39,665 you don't see any people older than 25 or 30. 421 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,837 It's as though they lock them up somewhere. 422 00:30:41,923 --> 00:30:44,506 I think they've all moved out and left it to the teenagers. 423 00:30:44,593 --> 00:30:47,131 London, as far as I'm concerned, as far as I can see, 424 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:49,428 it's all young people the whole time now. 425 00:30:50,015 --> 00:30:52,098 Taste no longer comes down from the rich. 426 00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:53,971 It often rises from the young, 427 00:30:54,061 --> 00:30:55,723 many of them from the working classes. 428 00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:59,268 They now seem the pace-setters. They set the taste. 429 00:31:01,151 --> 00:31:04,610 In fact, the whole strength of this came from the young themselves. 430 00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:07,230 They knew what they wanted. They didn't want to imitate sort of 431 00:31:07,991 --> 00:31:10,358 Countess Biggleswade, you know? They had their own ideas. 432 00:31:10,994 --> 00:31:13,657 I looked at the cover of Time magazine 433 00:31:13,747 --> 00:31:16,410 and I read this article just talking about 434 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:18,833 what was going on in London, the nightclubs, 435 00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:20,993 the restaurants, the clothes, 436 00:31:21,171 --> 00:31:24,710 and I thought, "How do I get to London, you know, like, tomorrow?" 437 00:31:25,425 --> 00:31:27,007 You know, when people say 438 00:31:27,094 --> 00:31:29,586 The Beatles made swinging sixties, they didn't. 439 00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:31,762 London made The Beatles. 440 00:31:32,182 --> 00:31:34,469 Never before had so many young people 441 00:31:35,143 --> 00:31:36,554 lived away from home. 442 00:31:37,604 --> 00:31:39,516 Their parents began to worry about them. 443 00:31:40,690 --> 00:31:42,101 If their kids when to art school, 444 00:31:42,859 --> 00:31:44,316 they would've worried even more. 445 00:31:45,195 --> 00:31:47,437 I don't know whether they learned anything about painting, 446 00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:51,570 but they certainly had the prettiest girls and the best parties. 447 00:31:52,202 --> 00:31:53,784 The pop art scene 448 00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:56,362 began to transform the face of London. 449 00:31:57,749 --> 00:31:59,911 People said, "It's a dull, grey world." 450 00:32:00,001 --> 00:32:02,618 Or "Everything's black and white post-war." 451 00:32:02,879 --> 00:32:04,916 Even though people said that, it was literally true. 452 00:32:05,173 --> 00:32:06,664 Everything was dull and grey 453 00:32:06,758 --> 00:32:09,671 and we wanted colour, we wanted to introduce colour into London. 454 00:32:09,845 --> 00:32:13,589 If we could have had coloured concrete, coloured cement, we'd have used it. 455 00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:17,471 The world of pop art. The world of the popular imagination. 456 00:32:17,561 --> 00:32:20,850 The world of film stars, the twist. 457 00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:23,473 Art schools were the centre of everything. 458 00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:26,184 Well, they provoked so much excitement and interest. 459 00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:29,395 And we didn't even know you could have art students. 460 00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:32,653 It was wonderful thinking you could use anything. 461 00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:35,026 Paintings based on a packet of tea, 462 00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:37,987 just because the packets of tea were there. 463 00:32:39,207 --> 00:32:41,244 And I used to write on the paintings then. 464 00:32:43,086 --> 00:32:44,293 A lot of graffiti. 465 00:32:44,379 --> 00:32:49,170 Some of it, I remember finding in the toilets in Earl's Court Tube station. 466 00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:53,669 I often take the moment 467 00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:55,846 before something has actually happened. 468 00:32:56,016 --> 00:32:58,303 And you don't know if it's going to be terrible 469 00:32:58,393 --> 00:32:59,725 or it might be very funny. 470 00:32:59,811 --> 00:33:03,304 The sort of stuff that I'm doing is absolute ephemera. 471 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,935 It's do it today and I wanna forget about it by midnight. 472 00:33:08,069 --> 00:33:09,776 And I'm on to something else. 473 00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:11,195 This is how I see. 474 00:33:11,281 --> 00:33:13,739 You know, if anything is pop, it's pop for the minute. 475 00:33:18,788 --> 00:33:22,998 It's much easier for a girl to drift into trouble in London. 476 00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:26,832 The streets themselves, it's true, are clear. 477 00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:29,755 But there are more temptations, 478 00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:33,755 it's more easier for anybody who wants to exploit a girl 479 00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:35,086 to sweep her underground. 480 00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:38,722 "I just happened to be there, that's all." 481 00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:40,470 That's a Bob Dylan line. 482 00:33:43,063 --> 00:33:45,646 They said, "Would you like to come to a party in London?" 483 00:33:45,732 --> 00:33:48,190 And I said, "Oh, I've never been to a party in London." 484 00:33:49,236 --> 00:33:51,774 Pretty girl with a lot of very pretty friends. 485 00:33:52,239 --> 00:33:54,151 - Yeah. - My friends were gorgeous, you know. 486 00:33:54,241 --> 00:33:57,154 We all went to this convent and we were fabulous looking, 487 00:33:57,244 --> 00:33:59,657 and my God, the role model was the Virgin Mary. 488 00:33:59,746 --> 00:34:00,736 Yeah, exactly. 489 00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:02,696 That's what made convent girls so sexy. 490 00:34:05,252 --> 00:34:06,868 And hard to get. Yeah. 491 00:34:06,962 --> 00:34:08,624 Don't know about that. 492 00:34:08,713 --> 00:34:11,330 The Rolling Stones were there and Millie and The Crystals, 493 00:34:12,092 --> 00:34:13,082 and all these people, 494 00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:15,467 and I was looking very shabby. 495 00:34:16,012 --> 00:34:18,675 Very, very... So shabby. It was awful. 496 00:34:19,432 --> 00:34:20,422 I was stood there. 497 00:34:21,142 --> 00:34:24,510 And then people started whispering and sort of saying, you know, 498 00:34:24,604 --> 00:34:26,436 being very embarrassing for me. 499 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:28,647 And they came up and said to the person I was with, 500 00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:29,894 "And can she sing?" 501 00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:33,694 Andrew Oldham, you are the person who discovered Marianne Faithfull 502 00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:34,941 at that party. 503 00:34:35,031 --> 00:34:37,990 Is it literally possible to go to a party and pick out someone 504 00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:41,035 with no evident talents and make a star of them? 505 00:34:41,871 --> 00:34:43,954 - Uh, yes. - How? 506 00:34:44,124 --> 00:34:46,457 Um, I think the first thing is you have to be drunk. 507 00:34:47,502 --> 00:34:48,834 - He had an instinct. - Yes. 508 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,082 I think, that's what Andrew... I was very good at that. 509 00:34:51,172 --> 00:34:52,333 And he guided you through... 510 00:34:52,424 --> 00:34:55,132 - He guided me through nothing. - Really? 511 00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:58,302 He knew whatever it was I had he could market it. 512 00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:02,799 He just saw what he always called a "commercial face". 513 00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:05,100 Which you did, yeah. I mean, you were so pretty. 514 00:35:05,186 --> 00:35:08,350 If you can see that perspective. I can't see it myself. 515 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,430 Take my word for it. 516 00:35:09,524 --> 00:35:10,731 OK. 517 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,817 I fell in love with Mick. 518 00:35:13,903 --> 00:35:16,771 Mick was young, rich and a rock star. 519 00:35:17,657 --> 00:35:20,400 Bailey, the same. Probably you had your moments, too. 520 00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:22,155 Though you took your work very seriously. 521 00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:23,235 I did, indeed. 522 00:35:23,330 --> 00:35:25,242 It was a whole team of very, 523 00:35:25,332 --> 00:35:26,789 very naughty boys, really. Very naughty. 524 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,616 Yeah, well, we couldn't help it. 525 00:35:30,879 --> 00:35:32,461 Where I grew up, it was a bit like 526 00:35:32,756 --> 00:35:35,749 Sicily in terms of morals and sex. 527 00:35:36,509 --> 00:35:38,967 If you kissed a girl, her brothers'd come round with a shotgun 528 00:35:39,054 --> 00:35:40,386 and say you've gotta get married. 529 00:35:40,764 --> 00:35:44,303 Well, all that went out of the window. 530 00:35:44,392 --> 00:35:47,305 Women also were turning into voyeurs. 531 00:35:47,437 --> 00:35:49,224 They also liked the look of men. 532 00:35:49,522 --> 00:35:52,265 Given the Pill was the only contraception that actually worked, 533 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,359 a woman could then really be in charge of her own life. 534 00:35:55,528 --> 00:35:57,269 It's smaller than an aspirin tablet 535 00:35:57,906 --> 00:36:00,944 and it is commonly and widely called "the Pill". 536 00:36:01,076 --> 00:36:02,567 A revolution is on the way. 537 00:36:02,744 --> 00:36:06,328 All over the country, young girls are sprouting, shouting and shaking. 538 00:36:06,539 --> 00:36:08,906 And if they terrify you, they mean to. 539 00:36:09,042 --> 00:36:10,908 I wanted to run and jump and dance 540 00:36:11,044 --> 00:36:13,707 and go on at night, straight away to a nightclub and dance. 541 00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:18,712 A friend of mine said he was gonna take me 542 00:36:18,802 --> 00:36:20,794 to the best disco in the whole world. 543 00:36:21,805 --> 00:36:23,592 It was at the top of a very high building, 544 00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:25,298 just behind Leicester Square, 545 00:36:25,642 --> 00:36:27,508 in a club called The Ad Lib. 546 00:36:30,063 --> 00:36:32,646 And I'm looking round to see what sort of people we've got here. 547 00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:36,976 On the dance floor, every single Rolling Stone 548 00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:38,402 and every single Beatle. 549 00:36:39,322 --> 00:36:42,360 And I thought, "Boy, this must be the place." 550 00:37:12,313 --> 00:37:15,272 I met Albert Finney, I met Michael Caine, 551 00:37:15,358 --> 00:37:16,894 I met Sean Connery. 552 00:37:17,235 --> 00:37:20,444 I met Stevie Winwood, Jimi Hendrix and Brian Jones. 553 00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:23,193 John Lennon was there. I met Julie Christie there. 554 00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:25,274 It was insane. 555 00:37:26,828 --> 00:37:28,660 And they were all mates, weren't they? 556 00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:31,865 It was all mates. I taught Nureyev how to twist at The Ad Lib, yeah. 557 00:37:31,958 --> 00:37:35,417 And he was very stiff. I mean, he could do all that Swan Lake shit, 558 00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:37,916 but he couldn't do the twist. 559 00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:46,379 We didn't have cell phones in those days. 560 00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:50,600 We didn't text each other. We talked to each other face-to-face. 561 00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:53,386 And that's what bred creativity 562 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,019 because people could meet each other and exchange ideas. 563 00:37:57,817 --> 00:38:00,525 And anyone with talent could be a part of it. 564 00:38:12,248 --> 00:38:15,286 We started a shop in the King's Road called Bazaar. 565 00:38:15,752 --> 00:38:19,166 It just hit the spot from the first day. 566 00:38:19,506 --> 00:38:22,169 Why was that, then? Was that because of the miniskirt? 567 00:38:22,258 --> 00:38:26,252 Because I made the skirts much shorter than anyone had seen at that time. 568 00:38:26,638 --> 00:38:28,004 They were provocative, you know? 569 00:38:29,641 --> 00:38:32,805 Well, I can't say that I particularly approve of some of the styles 570 00:38:32,894 --> 00:38:35,261 and particularly the more outré ones. 571 00:38:35,355 --> 00:38:39,269 But I do appreciate that they're the expression of, what shall I say? 572 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:41,191 The exuberance of affluent youth. 573 00:38:41,486 --> 00:38:42,476 City gents 574 00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:45,396 on their way to work used to bash on the window and shout, 575 00:38:45,490 --> 00:38:48,699 "Disgusting! Outrageous! They should not be allowed!" 576 00:38:48,785 --> 00:38:49,775 and all the rest of it, yeah. 577 00:38:49,869 --> 00:38:51,906 I'd have thought they'd have been sitting outside watching. 578 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:53,157 Yeah, you're right. 579 00:38:53,248 --> 00:38:55,786 I had the shortest skirts ever. 580 00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:58,993 So short I had knickers made to match my skirts. 581 00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:01,044 Yeah, micro-mini. They were like a belt. 582 00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:05,583 One day in the '60s, my mother said to me, she said, 583 00:39:05,677 --> 00:39:08,545 "I keep reading and hearing about all these miniskirts." 584 00:39:08,638 --> 00:39:11,346 She said, "I've never seen a girl in a miniskirt." 585 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,716 I said, "Right, Mum, I'll show you," I said. 586 00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:16,644 So, what I did is I took her to King's Road in Chelsea 587 00:39:16,729 --> 00:39:18,186 on a Saturday afternoon, 588 00:39:18,857 --> 00:39:21,600 and we got out of the car and of course, almost immediately, 589 00:39:22,277 --> 00:39:25,020 there's a young girl in a miniskirt. 590 00:39:25,113 --> 00:39:28,572 I turned to my mother and I said, "Well, Mum, what do you think?" 591 00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:33,660 And she said, "If it's not for sale, you shouldn't put it in the window." 592 00:39:35,164 --> 00:39:36,746 That about sums her up. 593 00:39:39,961 --> 00:39:43,250 Oh, well, fabrics are made flat and women are round 594 00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:46,207 and there's this terrible problem of putting the two together, you know? 595 00:39:46,551 --> 00:39:48,508 Which is why I want to make round clothes 596 00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:51,044 with no seams, 597 00:39:51,139 --> 00:39:53,631 so that it can be rounder and smoother than we are. 598 00:39:56,853 --> 00:39:58,515 The whole young 599 00:39:58,605 --> 00:40:00,221 London thing was happening. 600 00:40:01,357 --> 00:40:02,347 In a big way. 601 00:40:02,859 --> 00:40:04,566 And I was working with Mary Quant 602 00:40:04,694 --> 00:40:07,437 and she was working with us. 603 00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:09,396 I was doing her show, she was doing ours, 604 00:40:09,490 --> 00:40:12,324 and we were developing this whole thing, in a sense, together. 605 00:40:13,828 --> 00:40:16,696 I was walking down Bond Street 606 00:40:17,332 --> 00:40:19,540 and there was this stunning photograph of a girl 607 00:40:20,251 --> 00:40:21,583 with her hair cut short 608 00:40:21,961 --> 00:40:23,327 and it said, "Vidal Sassoon." 609 00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:24,411 And I went up the steps 610 00:40:24,881 --> 00:40:26,292 and right at the top, 611 00:40:26,591 --> 00:40:27,707 there was a kind of kitchen. 612 00:40:28,468 --> 00:40:29,834 Vidal was cutting hair. 613 00:40:30,887 --> 00:40:31,877 Cuts. 614 00:40:33,348 --> 00:40:34,634 Great noise, that scissor. 615 00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:37,224 And he was chopping hair and it was flying everywhere. 616 00:40:38,603 --> 00:40:40,595 And he was such a show-off, as you can imagine. 617 00:40:40,688 --> 00:40:42,771 - No, I know. I knew him well, yeah. - Yes. 618 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:46,184 Do you remember when we were open one week in 108? 619 00:40:46,277 --> 00:40:47,267 Right. 620 00:40:47,362 --> 00:40:49,570 And in those days, 621 00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:52,189 when we first opened, we used to write our name in script. 622 00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:54,324 Because we thought it was very chic. 623 00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:56,117 And it was gonna look marvellous, you know? 624 00:40:56,955 --> 00:40:59,493 And, um, the postman, 625 00:40:59,582 --> 00:41:02,575 You couldn't tell whether the F's were L's or S's. 626 00:41:02,669 --> 00:41:04,001 You couldn't tell what they were. 627 00:41:04,087 --> 00:41:05,999 - Do you remember this, Bob? - That's right, yeah. 628 00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:07,705 The postman came up with the first letter 629 00:41:08,633 --> 00:41:10,465 and he'd walked up three flights of stairs. 630 00:41:10,551 --> 00:41:12,258 And he opened the door and in broad Cockney, 631 00:41:12,345 --> 00:41:13,335 he looked around and said, 632 00:41:13,429 --> 00:41:15,546 "Here, which one of you lot's Vifal Faffoon?" 633 00:41:30,196 --> 00:41:32,438 Vidal Sassoon invented the geometric, 634 00:41:32,532 --> 00:41:33,898 angled style of hairdressing. 635 00:41:34,283 --> 00:41:37,867 It was cut almost like a fabric and it was treated like a texture 636 00:41:38,204 --> 00:41:40,662 and it was free and alive. 637 00:41:41,082 --> 00:41:44,120 And so he did the hair and, you know, I did the outfits. 638 00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:34,588 Very often, when somebody's had one of our haircuts, 639 00:42:35,428 --> 00:42:36,418 they come back again. 640 00:42:36,763 --> 00:42:39,130 And in two weeks' time they've changed their shoes 641 00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:41,089 and their skirts are a little shorter. 642 00:42:41,184 --> 00:42:43,551 And within six months, their whole look has changed. 643 00:42:43,644 --> 00:42:45,385 I think the point of clothes 644 00:42:46,481 --> 00:42:48,063 for women should be 645 00:42:48,441 --> 00:42:49,727 one, that you're noticed. 646 00:42:49,859 --> 00:42:52,442 Two, that you look sexy. 647 00:42:53,029 --> 00:42:54,736 And three, that you feel good. 648 00:42:56,282 --> 00:42:58,365 I can't see that we wear them to keep warm. 649 00:43:45,248 --> 00:43:47,581 It's all got to stop. They've had enough. 650 00:43:47,708 --> 00:43:48,994 The worms are turning. 651 00:43:49,085 --> 00:43:52,123 The rebellion of the long hairs is getting underway. 652 00:43:52,213 --> 00:43:56,002 We've had comments like "Darling!" and "Can I carry your handbag?" 653 00:43:56,259 --> 00:43:57,249 thrown at us. 654 00:43:57,385 --> 00:43:59,047 I think it just had to stop now. 655 00:43:59,137 --> 00:44:00,719 I don't like men with long hair. 656 00:44:01,764 --> 00:44:04,598 Or curlers. I like them normal. 657 00:44:05,268 --> 00:44:08,261 Well, I find it terribly difficult with some of these long-haired young men 658 00:44:09,564 --> 00:44:11,055 to differentiate between the sexes. 659 00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:13,391 And this could be a matter of considerable inconvenience. 660 00:44:14,318 --> 00:44:17,937 I think they're absolutely atrocious. I like men to look like men. 661 00:44:18,114 --> 00:44:20,606 Why not for a man? Why not? Tell me why not for a man? 662 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:22,407 It's all right if your colours go together. 663 00:44:22,493 --> 00:44:24,780 Why not for a man? Any colours go together. 664 00:44:25,496 --> 00:44:27,362 That's beautiful. What's wrong with that? 665 00:44:29,125 --> 00:44:32,084 Our parents didn't have much sex before marriage. 666 00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:34,957 A lot of 'em didn't have a lot of sex after marriage. 667 00:44:35,047 --> 00:44:36,879 And by the time they made a bit of money, 668 00:44:36,966 --> 00:44:38,457 it was too late to enjoy it. 669 00:44:40,052 --> 00:44:43,341 It can't have been easy for them to see us having so much more fun 670 00:44:43,431 --> 00:44:44,763 than they ever thought possible. 671 00:44:51,731 --> 00:44:52,721 David? 672 00:44:53,316 --> 00:44:54,306 You up there? 673 00:44:56,194 --> 00:44:58,277 Nice! Good girl. Good. 674 00:44:59,113 --> 00:45:01,981 That's good. Hold it. Good. 675 00:45:02,491 --> 00:45:03,481 Good. 676 00:45:03,743 --> 00:45:06,235 Make that... Let me... No, Deb, who told you to move? 677 00:45:06,329 --> 00:45:07,570 Go back to where you were. 678 00:45:07,663 --> 00:45:09,746 Come on. Back to where you were. Good. 679 00:45:09,832 --> 00:45:12,620 And that flipping hand. 680 00:45:13,628 --> 00:45:16,041 Yeah. Good. There. That's good. 681 00:45:16,172 --> 00:45:17,162 Stay like that. 682 00:45:18,424 --> 00:45:21,508 I was very much influenced also by the photographers at the time. 683 00:45:21,594 --> 00:45:25,554 The new, I suppose, typically young Cockney photographers 684 00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:27,882 that were happening and were our great friends. 685 00:45:27,975 --> 00:45:30,433 And I'm sure we sort of bounced ideas off each other. 686 00:45:31,187 --> 00:45:33,429 It's the easiest thing in the world to be a photographer. 687 00:45:33,522 --> 00:45:34,854 All you have to be is a bit rude, 688 00:45:34,941 --> 00:45:36,728 grow your hair long and wear a leatherjacket 689 00:45:36,817 --> 00:45:39,525 and buy a Pentax and you're a photographer, cos there's no union. 690 00:45:39,904 --> 00:45:41,861 The winsome David Bailey. 691 00:45:41,948 --> 00:45:45,191 This is marvellous. Good. Open your mouth slightly. Good. 692 00:45:45,326 --> 00:45:46,942 David was famous for a saying. 693 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,953 "David Bailey makes love daily." 694 00:45:50,248 --> 00:45:52,865 He wore a vest, jeans, Cuban heels 695 00:45:53,292 --> 00:45:54,999 and had a cheese sandwich for lunch. 696 00:45:55,503 --> 00:45:58,291 And he photographed the most beautiful women in the world. 697 00:45:59,006 --> 00:45:59,996 Lucky bugger! 698 00:46:00,424 --> 00:46:02,757 Bailey was extremely attractive. 699 00:46:03,094 --> 00:46:05,802 And every woman in the world seemed to want to have 700 00:46:05,888 --> 00:46:07,504 a little bit of him. 701 00:46:07,598 --> 00:46:09,385 Well, a particular bit of him. 702 00:46:10,268 --> 00:46:12,100 Just stand with your legs apart and face me. 703 00:46:20,903 --> 00:46:22,485 He came to New York 704 00:46:22,738 --> 00:46:24,821 to collect me, to take me to London. 705 00:46:25,366 --> 00:46:28,234 Completely fell in love with him within about five minutes. 706 00:46:28,452 --> 00:46:29,442 It was pathetic. 707 00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:31,987 He sort of rang the doorbell at my house. 708 00:46:32,373 --> 00:46:34,239 My mother came to the door, 709 00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:38,585 and as soon as she saw it was Bailey, she tried to slam the door in his face. 710 00:46:38,671 --> 00:46:41,288 He said, "Don't worry about it, love. Could've been worse. 711 00:46:41,632 --> 00:46:43,168 "It could've been a Rolling Stone." 712 00:46:43,634 --> 00:46:46,502 That was it. I grabbed my suitcase and I was gone. 713 00:46:46,595 --> 00:46:48,962 Just stay like that and bring this, 714 00:46:49,265 --> 00:46:52,975 slowly bring this hand down. More, more, more. And put it there. 715 00:46:53,811 --> 00:46:56,349 Go on. No, lower down, on your thigh, or whatever it's called. 716 00:46:56,522 --> 00:46:57,603 Good. That's good. 717 00:46:57,857 --> 00:46:59,564 And look at me, like... Don't twist away. 718 00:46:59,650 --> 00:47:01,186 Just keep where you are. Good girl. 719 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,942 Good. There. That's lovely. 720 00:47:03,404 --> 00:47:05,111 Good, angel. Yeah. 721 00:47:05,197 --> 00:47:07,063 And it's nearly right, if that hand was nicer. 722 00:47:07,783 --> 00:47:10,116 To the public, the camera doesn't lie. 723 00:47:10,202 --> 00:47:12,615 And therefore the best photographer is the biggest liar. 724 00:47:13,956 --> 00:47:17,370 There certainly is a school of English photographers. 725 00:47:17,752 --> 00:47:22,838 I call them the "black trinity" of Duffy, Donovan and Bailey. 726 00:47:23,299 --> 00:47:26,212 Keep your legs... Swing your arms away from your body. 727 00:47:27,261 --> 00:47:28,593 Move your legs out. 728 00:47:29,555 --> 00:47:32,013 No, you've moved. Come up, come up, come up, come up, come up. 729 00:47:32,141 --> 00:47:34,758 And what one's trying to do is to try and make her look beautiful. 730 00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:36,593 If you don't do that, then you'll lose out. 731 00:47:39,065 --> 00:47:41,102 And she loses out, and then it's a bore. 732 00:47:41,192 --> 00:47:45,482 I think there is an actual pleasure in making someone look beautiful. 733 00:47:45,988 --> 00:47:47,650 Duffy's great to work with, cos he's... 734 00:47:49,992 --> 00:47:51,779 You go in there and sort of three hours later 735 00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:54,907 when you've finished all the bottles of wine that are lying around, you know, 736 00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:59,032 you've sort of talked about everything, listened to 100 records 737 00:47:59,126 --> 00:48:00,458 of old war songs. 738 00:48:02,713 --> 00:48:05,126 Somebody arrives with a sort of handful of clothes, you know. 739 00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:07,586 Out come all the paper flowers. 740 00:48:09,428 --> 00:48:12,136 And he's standing there with a camera and you have to go on talking. 741 00:48:12,306 --> 00:48:14,798 He makes... He makes you sing, you know. 742 00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:17,722 He won't take the shot and he gets bolshy. 743 00:48:18,312 --> 00:48:20,474 "I"m not taking the picture unless you sing. Go on, sing." 744 00:48:20,648 --> 00:48:23,356 So you have to sing. Stand there, singing in the studio. It's great. 745 00:48:24,193 --> 00:48:26,731 So all the pictures are sort of dodgy birds with teeth showing, 746 00:48:27,238 --> 00:48:28,228 but they're natural. 747 00:49:07,528 --> 00:49:09,144 If women are attractive, 748 00:49:09,905 --> 00:49:11,362 doesn't matter what they're wearing. 749 00:49:11,866 --> 00:49:12,982 It's only packaging. 750 00:49:13,742 --> 00:49:15,449 Like wrapping up soap in something. 751 00:49:15,911 --> 00:49:18,654 It's not any more complicated than that. It's nicely wrapped, 752 00:49:18,747 --> 00:49:19,737 you look. 753 00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:21,532 If not, you don't bother. 754 00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:04,491 An ideal woman? 755 00:50:04,585 --> 00:50:07,453 Well, that's sort of difficult cos I think 756 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,293 every woman is sort of my ideal woman. 757 00:50:10,424 --> 00:50:11,915 I mean, they're all lovely. 758 00:50:12,927 --> 00:50:14,338 Some are just lovelier than others. 759 00:50:15,596 --> 00:50:17,303 Which brings us to Jean Shrimpton. 760 00:50:17,431 --> 00:50:18,421 Yeah. 761 00:50:32,321 --> 00:50:34,779 Half the studio and there was Duffy, photographing this girl. 762 00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:37,448 He put up a blue background, a sky blue background. 763 00:50:37,535 --> 00:50:39,697 She had these incredible blue eyes. 764 00:50:45,459 --> 00:50:48,668 When I looked at her, I could see through to the background. 765 00:50:49,505 --> 00:50:50,996 And I said, "Who's that?" 766 00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:53,206 He said, "Oh, it's just a girl I booked." 767 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:54,507 He said, "Do you like her?" 768 00:50:54,593 --> 00:50:55,583 I said, "Yeah." 769 00:50:55,886 --> 00:50:57,673 He said, "Oh, she's too posh for you, mate." 770 00:50:57,763 --> 00:50:59,174 I said, "Oh, we'll see about that." 771 00:50:59,265 --> 00:51:00,847 He was probably right. 772 00:51:00,975 --> 00:51:03,012 And so I booked her 773 00:51:04,228 --> 00:51:05,844 and I sort of fell in love with her, really. 774 00:51:05,938 --> 00:51:07,054 - You did, didn't you? - Yeah. 775 00:51:07,398 --> 00:51:09,640 Being with him is an influence, you know. 776 00:51:09,733 --> 00:51:12,316 He began to influence my movement and my dress. 777 00:51:12,403 --> 00:51:15,362 And then when he'd get me on the set, yeah, he'd put me into shape, you know. 778 00:51:15,447 --> 00:51:17,313 And he'd encourage certain expressions. 779 00:51:17,533 --> 00:51:20,526 Then I began to feel something inside which I didn't know existed. 780 00:51:20,703 --> 00:51:22,740 I photographed her every day for about three years. 781 00:51:35,092 --> 00:51:37,459 Vogue wouldn't publish the pictures in the beginning. 782 00:51:37,553 --> 00:51:39,636 - What, of people? - Of my pictures, yeah. 783 00:51:39,722 --> 00:51:43,215 They always wanted a tree in the background or an armchair or... 784 00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:46,302 If I've got Jean Shrimpton, why do I want a palm tree in the background? 785 00:51:46,395 --> 00:51:48,603 There was even models in the '60s Vogue wouldn't use 786 00:51:48,689 --> 00:51:51,022 because they said, "Oh, can't possibly use her. 787 00:51:51,108 --> 00:51:52,724 "Have you listened to her accent?" 788 00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:56,399 But she'll go on until the fashions change 789 00:51:56,488 --> 00:51:58,821 or else some other star 790 00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:02,116 will suddenly come along and take her place. 791 00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:06,071 But you were the first 792 00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:09,908 obviously Cockney young lady to become a model. 793 00:52:10,002 --> 00:52:12,039 - Yeah. - I mean, we heard you talk. 794 00:52:12,129 --> 00:52:15,213 I mean, mostly you didn't hear models speak, you know. 795 00:52:15,466 --> 00:52:18,129 But then you did. I mean, there was a whole personality... 796 00:52:18,218 --> 00:52:20,426 - comes with you. - And they've never shut me up. 797 00:52:21,847 --> 00:52:22,928 I was at school 798 00:52:23,057 --> 00:52:24,548 and I wanted to be a model, you know. 799 00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,302 Cos I was thin and that. And, um, 800 00:52:29,229 --> 00:52:30,686 people said, "You ought to try it." 801 00:52:31,023 --> 00:52:32,059 And I thought it would be, 802 00:52:32,983 --> 00:52:35,771 you know, very glamorous and all lovely clothes 803 00:52:36,487 --> 00:52:39,275 and very easy, you know, not much to do, and lots of money. 804 00:52:39,823 --> 00:52:42,440 But it's not, really. I mean, it's very hard work. 805 00:52:42,534 --> 00:52:44,776 If you go out on location in the winter 806 00:52:45,287 --> 00:52:47,870 in a bathing suit or a little summer dress, 807 00:52:47,956 --> 00:52:49,447 it's blooming freezing. 808 00:52:50,501 --> 00:52:53,585 Bit more. There. Perfect. Perfect. Marvellous. 809 00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:56,246 Twiggy's success was phenomenal. 810 00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:58,047 It went far beyond just being a model. 811 00:52:58,759 --> 00:53:01,797 In less than a year, her name, her look, her brand 812 00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:03,093 had conquered the world. 813 00:53:03,305 --> 00:53:05,342 Do you feel out of place 814 00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:06,923 as a success 815 00:53:07,184 --> 00:53:10,643 because you started from ordinary working class beginnings? 816 00:53:10,729 --> 00:53:11,719 No. 817 00:53:12,272 --> 00:53:13,433 No, why should I? 818 00:53:14,108 --> 00:53:15,940 And The Beatles broke down the barrier, 819 00:53:16,026 --> 00:53:17,642 you know, the class barrier and all that. 820 00:53:17,945 --> 00:53:21,109 Yeah, I don't think it really matters what class of family you come from. 821 00:53:21,657 --> 00:53:24,866 If you're good enough in yourjob, you know, you make it anyway. 822 00:53:25,744 --> 00:53:28,828 She's happened because of all that rubbish 823 00:53:28,914 --> 00:53:30,576 about swinging London. 824 00:53:30,666 --> 00:53:32,202 Yeah, I think she's a lovely model. 825 00:53:32,626 --> 00:53:35,039 Super. I mean, she's money in the bank for photographers. 826 00:53:53,939 --> 00:53:56,056 What are your views on serious matters? 827 00:53:57,276 --> 00:53:58,266 Like what? 828 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,443 Well, I don't know. Who's your favourite philosopher? 829 00:54:02,281 --> 00:54:04,238 I haven't got one. I don't know any. 830 00:54:05,367 --> 00:54:06,357 Who's yours? 831 00:54:06,827 --> 00:54:09,535 Oh, I, you know, I like them all. 832 00:54:09,621 --> 00:54:10,611 Who? 833 00:54:10,831 --> 00:54:13,118 - All your basic philosophers. - Who? 834 00:54:13,208 --> 00:54:14,198 Just all of them. 835 00:54:14,293 --> 00:54:16,410 I don't know their names, though. What are their names? 836 00:54:17,421 --> 00:54:19,754 Oh, gee, there's a host of them. 837 00:54:32,019 --> 00:54:34,102 England, where it all began. 838 00:54:41,570 --> 00:54:44,062 I'm going to establish it real quick. 839 00:54:45,407 --> 00:54:47,615 Portland Street is the headquarters 840 00:54:47,701 --> 00:54:49,192 of Twiggy Enterprises. 841 00:54:52,372 --> 00:54:55,160 As short a time as six weeks ago, we were here selling coats. 842 00:54:56,084 --> 00:54:57,666 And here you are, you see Twiggy. 843 00:54:58,962 --> 00:55:01,875 Something's been produced in its tens and tens of thousands. 844 00:55:02,382 --> 00:55:03,918 Just too fantastic an operation. 845 00:55:04,968 --> 00:55:05,958 Don't you think? 846 00:55:06,303 --> 00:55:08,260 Have you seen all the places we've sold to? 847 00:55:08,347 --> 00:55:09,963 Got one in Hong Kong! 848 00:55:11,683 --> 00:55:13,720 Today, these youngsters have got a know-how. 849 00:55:15,020 --> 00:55:16,010 You know? 850 00:55:16,522 --> 00:55:18,514 And that's something that you can't take away from them. 851 00:55:27,407 --> 00:55:29,023 I used to save my pocket money up 852 00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:32,743 and every Saturday, we'd run down the road 853 00:55:32,830 --> 00:55:36,824 and we'd buy something at Biba, cos it was just, like, amazing. 854 00:55:52,099 --> 00:55:55,183 Anybody over 30 would never dare go in there. 855 00:55:55,269 --> 00:55:56,976 They used to just stay outside. 856 00:55:58,605 --> 00:56:02,724 And if clothes were being done for girls, it was done by a woman. 857 00:56:02,943 --> 00:56:03,933 Excuse me. 858 00:56:04,152 --> 00:56:07,566 It wasn't done by a whole load of men in suits. 859 00:56:09,032 --> 00:56:11,615 As a tourist attraction, we were number two 860 00:56:11,827 --> 00:56:13,659 after the Tower of London. 861 00:56:14,204 --> 00:56:16,662 And Buckingham Palace was number three. 862 00:56:16,748 --> 00:56:19,536 I think that's terribly funny, you know. 863 00:56:24,172 --> 00:56:26,585 I told you before to be careful where you put your legs. 864 00:56:26,675 --> 00:56:28,462 I was only trying to be helpful. 865 00:56:28,594 --> 00:56:29,584 I can help meself. 866 00:56:32,097 --> 00:56:33,087 Hello. 867 00:56:35,058 --> 00:56:37,141 They never make these cars big enough, do they? 868 00:56:38,812 --> 00:56:40,599 Well, are you all settled in? 869 00:56:40,689 --> 00:56:42,772 Right, we can begin. My name is... 870 00:56:42,858 --> 00:56:43,848 Alfie? 871 00:56:44,526 --> 00:56:46,893 When I became an actor, I didn't see myself like 872 00:56:46,987 --> 00:56:48,899 playing Hamlet or King Lear. 873 00:56:49,615 --> 00:56:50,731 All I wanted 874 00:56:50,824 --> 00:56:53,532 was a chance to get a true Cockney character 875 00:56:53,619 --> 00:56:54,609 on the big screen. 876 00:56:55,662 --> 00:56:56,903 And I got the chance to do it. 877 00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:01,040 There is a little bit of Alfie in everybody 878 00:57:01,126 --> 00:57:03,083 and people saw things in themselves, 879 00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:05,833 even if it was something they didn't like. I... 880 00:57:05,923 --> 00:57:07,585 I found a lot of things in Alfie. 881 00:57:08,175 --> 00:57:10,838 Especially, as I say, I am a bachelor. 882 00:57:11,803 --> 00:57:13,169 How do you want me? 883 00:57:13,263 --> 00:57:15,300 How do I want you? Well, I've got two positions. 884 00:57:15,474 --> 00:57:18,433 Straight up or sideways, depending on your nationality. 885 00:57:18,602 --> 00:57:20,559 I tell you what, I'll have you against the ships. 886 00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:23,562 All right, I've always been partial to the Navy. 887 00:57:25,233 --> 00:57:26,895 Now, you look a real treat there, you do. 888 00:57:26,985 --> 00:57:28,772 But you see, of course, you can't play Alfie 889 00:57:28,862 --> 00:57:30,899 and be Alfie at the same time, 890 00:57:30,989 --> 00:57:33,402 because playing those parts, it takes up too much of your time. 891 00:57:33,492 --> 00:57:34,653 You have to go to bed early. 892 00:57:35,118 --> 00:57:37,861 I don't think I went out with one girl the whole time I was making Alfie. 893 00:57:39,623 --> 00:57:40,784 I did when I was finished. 894 00:57:43,585 --> 00:57:46,077 We used to call girls, I know it's very male chauvinist, 895 00:57:46,171 --> 00:57:48,003 and I'm sorry, ladies, I don't do it any more. 896 00:57:48,090 --> 00:57:49,297 We used to call girls "birds". 897 00:57:49,925 --> 00:57:53,714 Or in rhyming slang, "Richards", which is Richard III's, birds. 898 00:57:53,804 --> 00:57:54,794 Coffee, love? 899 00:57:56,014 --> 00:57:58,301 And my flatmate was very much a ladies' man. 900 00:57:58,767 --> 00:58:00,008 He had all the Richards. 901 00:58:00,268 --> 00:58:01,759 So, our flat became like an airport. 902 00:58:01,853 --> 00:58:03,310 The birds came flying through there 903 00:58:03,397 --> 00:58:05,138 and I became a sort of flight controller, 904 00:58:06,191 --> 00:58:08,103 bringing 'em in and getting 'em out safely, 905 00:58:08,193 --> 00:58:10,059 and so that no one saw each other and all that. 906 00:58:12,531 --> 00:58:15,774 I was living with my then girlfriend, Jane Asher. 907 00:58:16,118 --> 00:58:18,235 Who I made Alfie... And I met you on the set 908 00:58:18,370 --> 00:58:20,157 cos you used to come on the set for lunch. 909 00:58:20,247 --> 00:58:22,034 You did Alfie with her, yeah. 910 00:58:22,124 --> 00:58:25,959 And so I was staying at Jane's and going out with her. 911 00:58:26,044 --> 00:58:27,034 But I had a piano. 912 00:58:27,129 --> 00:58:28,586 I was living up at the top of the house 913 00:58:28,672 --> 00:58:30,379 and I had a little piano in there. 914 00:58:30,465 --> 00:58:32,548 So, John might write one on his own. 915 00:58:32,634 --> 00:58:34,967 I might write one on my own, so that started to happen. 916 00:58:35,262 --> 00:58:38,130 But we'd always bring it back to each other and finish it together. 917 00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:43,218 We thought after following Buddy Holly records 918 00:58:43,437 --> 00:58:46,225 and seeing how they were made through playing them, you know, 919 00:58:46,356 --> 00:58:48,018 "Oh, maybe we can write this, you know?" 920 00:58:48,525 --> 00:58:51,188 Well, maybe instead of singing "Going back to Alabam" ', 921 00:58:51,945 --> 00:58:54,028 we can sing something about Liverpool, you know? 922 00:58:54,698 --> 00:58:57,441 So it was just after we'd learnt how to, you know... 923 00:58:57,534 --> 00:59:00,277 Oh, you do this, and you do this and how to make the music, 924 00:59:00,620 --> 00:59:02,828 we thought, "Oh, we'll write about ourselves," you know? 925 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,408 And of course, the first efforts were more dumb 926 00:59:06,543 --> 00:59:08,330 or childish than the later efforts. 927 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,502 We'd sit down to write. 928 00:59:10,589 --> 00:59:14,208 And I think we wrote just short of 300 songs together. 929 00:59:14,301 --> 00:59:15,542 Over the period. 930 00:59:16,261 --> 00:59:19,129 And whenever we had a writing session, 931 00:59:19,222 --> 00:59:21,589 always come up with these songs every time. 932 00:59:21,683 --> 00:59:24,721 We never left a session going, "We'll finish it tomorrow." 933 00:59:25,395 --> 00:59:27,637 All these songs just came out of me, you know? 934 00:59:28,648 --> 00:59:30,605 I didn't sit down to think I'm gonna write about 935 00:59:31,234 --> 00:59:32,224 this, that or the other. 936 00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:33,526 They all came out, you know, 937 00:59:33,612 --> 00:59:36,229 like all the best work of anybody's ever does, you know? 938 00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:38,735 No sense of competition or anything? 939 00:59:38,825 --> 00:59:41,192 Oh, no, there was a big sense of competition. 940 00:59:41,286 --> 00:59:43,403 - Oh, yeah. - Really? 941 00:59:43,497 --> 00:59:46,786 - Come on! Young guys, both writers. - Yeah. 942 00:59:47,209 --> 00:59:49,041 No, it was great. It was really good for us, 943 00:59:49,127 --> 00:59:50,914 and you know, John would say later, he'd say, 944 00:59:51,379 --> 00:59:53,371 "Bloody hell!" You know, he'd hear one of my songs 945 00:59:53,507 --> 00:59:55,590 and go, "Bloody hell, I've gotta write a better one." 946 00:59:56,093 --> 00:59:57,504 - It was like a nuisance. - Yeah. 947 00:59:57,594 --> 01:00:00,257 And then I'd hear one of his and go, "Oh, bollocks!" 948 01:00:00,847 --> 01:00:05,217 The taxi driver the other day had some sheet music of a Mozart thing, 949 01:00:05,685 --> 01:00:07,142 and I said, "What's that?" You know. 950 01:00:07,354 --> 01:00:08,344 And he said, "Oh." 951 01:00:08,438 --> 01:00:10,145 He said, "Oh, that's the high-class stuff. 952 01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:11,222 "You won't like that." 953 01:00:11,316 --> 01:00:12,898 He said, "No, no, you won't like that." 954 01:00:12,984 --> 01:00:14,600 And I said, "Well, what is it?" You know. 955 01:00:14,694 --> 01:00:16,185 He said, "Oh, no, you won't like it. 956 01:00:16,321 --> 01:00:17,937 "You know, it's high-class, that. 957 01:00:18,031 --> 01:00:19,238 "It's very high-brow." 958 01:00:19,783 --> 01:00:22,992 And that kind of way, I always used to think of it. 959 01:00:23,078 --> 01:00:25,821 I used to think, "Well, you know, that's very clever, all that stuff." 960 01:00:26,248 --> 01:00:28,615 And it isn't, you know. It's just exactly what's going on 961 01:00:28,708 --> 01:00:29,949 in pop at the moment. 962 01:00:30,043 --> 01:00:32,751 Pop music is the classical music of now. 963 01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:34,837 All of a sudden, 964 01:00:34,923 --> 01:00:36,414 there was a bunch of people in London 965 01:00:36,508 --> 01:00:40,548 who were considered the most interesting and glamorous people on the planet. 966 01:00:41,221 --> 01:00:44,009 And when people became famous in Britain, 967 01:00:44,099 --> 01:00:45,510 they had one thought in mind. 968 01:00:46,268 --> 01:00:47,258 America. 969 01:00:47,811 --> 01:00:50,144 And they took the party across the pond. 970 01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:52,563 And the British invasion didn't just include bands. 971 01:00:52,649 --> 01:00:56,859 It was writers, designers, artists, actors like myself. 972 01:01:04,536 --> 01:01:05,617 Here they come! 973 01:02:06,264 --> 01:02:08,472 The people that started the English invasion, 974 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,808 the effect here in the United States, phenomenal. 975 01:02:49,182 --> 01:02:53,142 And now, to be Cockney is right at the top, isn't it? 976 01:02:53,353 --> 01:02:55,140 - Yeah, it helps a little. - Yeah, yeah. 977 01:02:55,230 --> 01:02:57,096 It's not doing me any harm in America. 978 01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:58,180 I know. 979 01:03:03,738 --> 01:03:05,195 His name is Michael Caine. 980 01:03:05,657 --> 01:03:06,647 Michael Caine. 981 01:03:41,901 --> 01:03:44,439 I don't know, you know, if you can say that war's no good 982 01:03:44,529 --> 01:03:47,067 and a few people believe you, then it may be good. I don't know. 983 01:03:47,157 --> 01:03:49,114 You can't say it too much, though, that's the trouble. 984 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,566 Seems a bit silly to be in America 985 01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:53,744 and for none of them to mention Vietnam as if nothing was happening. 986 01:03:55,081 --> 01:03:56,913 And the kids wanna be free, man. 987 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,957 Like, that's where it's at. 988 01:03:59,044 --> 01:04:01,286 Youth is always an exciting time. 989 01:04:01,379 --> 01:04:04,463 Well, it's certainly more exciting than it ever was before. 990 01:04:04,883 --> 01:04:07,591 You can do anything, that makes it exciting. 991 01:04:07,677 --> 01:04:09,088 Everything's constantly changing 992 01:04:09,179 --> 01:04:11,216 and attitudes are constantly changing. 993 01:04:11,306 --> 01:04:12,717 Well, everything is happening. 994 01:04:12,807 --> 01:04:15,140 Everything is happening all over the world. 995 01:04:18,438 --> 01:04:20,304 Right over there, the little girl running down, 996 01:04:20,398 --> 01:04:22,139 the famous model just came here from Europe. 997 01:04:22,233 --> 01:04:23,519 What do you think of her? 998 01:04:23,610 --> 01:04:25,602 - What do I think of her? - I think she's cute but I... 999 01:04:25,695 --> 01:04:29,359 I think she's cute, except she's... 1000 01:04:29,449 --> 01:04:31,987 I don't know. It'll last a couple of weeks, like everything else. 1001 01:04:32,077 --> 01:04:33,067 Will it? 1002 01:04:34,496 --> 01:04:36,283 To think that our next generation 1003 01:04:36,373 --> 01:04:38,205 is supposed to be taking care of this country. 1004 01:04:38,375 --> 01:04:40,367 They don't take no pride in anything, hardly. 1005 01:04:40,460 --> 01:04:43,373 I think we have to find out who is to blame for it all. 1006 01:04:44,255 --> 01:04:47,293 When they look at me, and I happen to have long hair 1007 01:04:47,384 --> 01:04:50,047 and wear kinda freaky clothes, they really hate me. 1008 01:04:50,136 --> 01:04:52,753 You can look and you see this hatred in their eyes. 1009 01:05:04,484 --> 01:05:06,897 Back home, all was not as it seemed. 1010 01:05:15,036 --> 01:05:17,403 It became clear that there was now a campaign 1011 01:05:17,705 --> 01:05:20,948 to bring down those the establishment were thinking 1012 01:05:21,543 --> 01:05:23,409 were corrupting youth. 1013 01:05:23,503 --> 01:05:25,415 The youth didn't need much corrupting, actually. 1014 01:05:25,505 --> 01:05:28,543 They were corrupting themselves all up and down the country, 1015 01:05:29,092 --> 01:05:30,549 in the newfound freedom, 1016 01:05:30,718 --> 01:05:32,129 communicating with music 1017 01:05:32,345 --> 01:05:33,881 and smoking a bit of dope. 1018 01:05:35,306 --> 01:05:37,298 A brain under the influence of marijuana 1019 01:05:37,392 --> 01:05:39,384 distorts the sense of space and time. 1020 01:05:39,894 --> 01:05:43,353 Whether it's pills or LSD or cannabis, 1021 01:05:44,107 --> 01:05:46,690 the use of drugs as a central part of youth culture 1022 01:05:46,776 --> 01:05:49,610 becomes very important in the last two or three years. 1023 01:05:49,821 --> 01:05:51,562 I only smoked marijuana once 1024 01:05:51,656 --> 01:05:53,693 and I laughed for five hours. 1025 01:05:55,493 --> 01:05:56,779 I couldn't get a taxi home. 1026 01:05:57,454 --> 01:05:58,444 I had to walk. 1027 01:05:59,706 --> 01:06:01,368 I never smoked marijuana again. 1028 01:06:02,375 --> 01:06:03,365 Honest. 1029 01:06:05,211 --> 01:06:07,498 It was the Mods who started it, you know. 1030 01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:10,206 Purple hearts, amphetamines, speed. 1031 01:06:10,842 --> 01:06:13,676 But there was nothing new in that. People used to take them in the war 1032 01:06:13,845 --> 01:06:14,835 to stay awake. 1033 01:06:15,263 --> 01:06:17,050 But they used to take one or two tablets. 1034 01:06:17,849 --> 01:06:19,761 The Mods took them by the jarful. 1035 01:06:21,186 --> 01:06:23,644 All I really cared about in those days was being... 1036 01:06:23,897 --> 01:06:26,230 The band being good. I'd started this band. 1037 01:06:26,483 --> 01:06:28,691 And I couldn't take them. They used to dry me up. 1038 01:06:28,860 --> 01:06:30,146 - And so I couldn't sing. - Really? 1039 01:06:30,236 --> 01:06:32,523 I thought, "Well, these are no good for me, I can't sing. 1040 01:06:32,614 --> 01:06:33,821 "There's no point doing this." 1041 01:06:33,907 --> 01:06:34,897 So, I had to be straight. 1042 01:06:36,117 --> 01:06:38,825 We played one gig, it was just so bad. 1043 01:06:39,537 --> 01:06:42,621 The band had been up for three days. 1044 01:06:42,707 --> 01:06:45,040 They'd started to take more and more pills. 1045 01:06:45,126 --> 01:06:46,833 The songs are getting faster and faster 1046 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,877 so I can't get the words in. 1047 01:06:48,963 --> 01:06:52,252 I mean, oh, my God, the state of us. Literally, it was so awful 1048 01:06:53,259 --> 01:06:57,128 I came off the stage in just a terrible temper. 1049 01:07:01,100 --> 01:07:03,387 I've been on pills since I was 15 or... 1050 01:07:03,478 --> 01:07:05,014 no, since I was 17. 1051 01:07:05,563 --> 01:07:07,350 Since I became a musician. 1052 01:07:07,815 --> 01:07:10,307 The only way to survive in Hamburg, to play eight hours a night, 1053 01:07:10,401 --> 01:07:11,892 was to take pills. 1054 01:07:11,986 --> 01:07:14,103 I've always needed a drug to survive. 1055 01:07:14,572 --> 01:07:16,029 I can't... You know. 1056 01:07:16,115 --> 01:07:18,198 The others, too. But I always had more, you know. 1057 01:07:18,284 --> 01:07:19,866 I always took more pills 1058 01:07:19,953 --> 01:07:22,195 and more of everything, cos I'm more crazy. 1059 01:07:22,288 --> 01:07:24,075 Do you rely on drugs to keep you going? 1060 01:07:24,165 --> 01:07:25,701 No, it just means that, 1061 01:07:25,792 --> 01:07:29,035 you know, there are certain things which, 1062 01:07:29,128 --> 01:07:32,371 more levels of perception which are opened up by certain drugs. 1063 01:07:32,465 --> 01:07:33,751 To many youngsters, the glamour drugs 1064 01:07:33,841 --> 01:07:36,003 are those which produce hallucinations. 1065 01:07:36,803 --> 01:07:39,090 The best known are marijuana and LSD. 1066 01:07:39,722 --> 01:07:42,009 Huxley wrote these two books, he wrote 1067 01:07:42,308 --> 01:07:44,300 Heaven and Hell and Doors of Perception. 1068 01:07:44,936 --> 01:07:49,397 And of the two, people have taken Heaven and Hell as the symbol, 1069 01:07:49,482 --> 01:07:51,519 and they've taken the wrong one. 1070 01:07:51,609 --> 01:07:56,070 Because the one that... The really explicit phrase 1071 01:07:56,197 --> 01:07:59,565 is "doors of perception", and that is what drugs are. 1072 01:07:59,659 --> 01:08:01,150 They are the doors. 1073 01:08:01,244 --> 01:08:02,576 They're not anywhere. 1074 01:08:02,662 --> 01:08:06,406 I mean, you don't go anywhere. You just see a crack, 1075 01:08:06,499 --> 01:08:07,706 like I'm looking through. 1076 01:08:07,834 --> 01:08:11,168 That the state that we should be in is perfection. 1077 01:08:11,254 --> 01:08:13,211 And that the reason we're here is to find it. 1078 01:09:08,645 --> 01:09:11,638 If you haven't heard of LSD, you will. 1079 01:09:11,731 --> 01:09:14,599 They can take it if they want, we can't prevent them, 1080 01:09:14,692 --> 01:09:16,308 but they're really fooling with dynamite. 1081 01:09:20,198 --> 01:09:23,066 Giving us a world we can't handle as it is, 1082 01:09:24,494 --> 01:09:26,360 so we're gonna change it. 1083 01:09:26,454 --> 01:09:28,741 Because they have shaped their world, 1084 01:09:29,624 --> 01:09:33,038 our world, into what it is with guns and bombs. 1085 01:09:33,127 --> 01:09:38,043 It's obvious to our generation that their way doesn't work. 1086 01:09:38,132 --> 01:09:40,169 It hasn't worked. It isn't going to work. 1087 01:09:41,386 --> 01:09:43,878 So, a change has to be made. 1088 01:09:43,971 --> 01:09:47,135 And if somebody has to get turned upside-down to do it, 1089 01:09:48,184 --> 01:09:49,766 well, then. 1090 01:09:50,770 --> 01:09:53,262 The people who lived through the LSD experience 1091 01:09:53,356 --> 01:09:56,440 went through a complete facet of learning, you know. 1092 01:09:57,276 --> 01:09:59,893 And it's just, you know, it must have been done 1093 01:09:59,987 --> 01:10:02,320 some other way when me father was a kid. 1094 01:10:02,782 --> 01:10:04,398 Maybe they did it by going to war. 1095 01:10:05,034 --> 01:10:07,617 The kids who take LSD aren't gonna fight your wars, 1096 01:10:07,787 --> 01:10:10,450 middle-class, middle-aged, whisky-drinking generals. 1097 01:10:10,540 --> 01:10:13,248 Uh, they're not going to join your corporations, 1098 01:10:13,334 --> 01:10:16,827 middle-class, middle-aged, whisky-drinking corporation presidents. 1099 01:10:58,087 --> 01:11:03,173 They need to come down and sort these bastards out. Get 'em out! 1100 01:11:03,634 --> 01:11:05,671 Bring them down the canal and drown them. 1101 01:11:06,262 --> 01:11:08,504 Drown them, that's what you wanna do with them. 1102 01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:13,513 Communist muck. Get rid of them. 1103 01:11:41,380 --> 01:11:44,919 I haven't got their morals, and they haven't got mine. 1104 01:11:46,677 --> 01:11:48,714 They've got all these rules for everything. 1105 01:11:48,805 --> 01:11:51,923 Rules of how to live, how to paint, how to make music. 1106 01:11:52,934 --> 01:11:54,300 And it's just not true any more. 1107 01:11:54,727 --> 01:11:56,218 The government doesn't exist for us, 1108 01:11:56,521 --> 01:11:57,557 they exist for themselves. 1109 01:11:58,189 --> 01:11:59,930 Sooner or later, the government is gonna find 1110 01:12:00,024 --> 01:12:02,892 that there's something going on that they've got no control over at all. 1111 01:12:04,028 --> 01:12:06,395 They haven't been fucked since Cromwell, man. 1112 01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,903 Youth thinks itself wise 1113 01:12:09,992 --> 01:12:13,281 just as drunk men think themselves sober. 1114 01:12:14,705 --> 01:12:17,413 Youth knows nothing about anything except on massive clichés. 1115 01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:22,328 The permissive society is considered by some youngsters 1116 01:12:22,463 --> 01:12:24,295 to be trendy and with it. 1117 01:12:24,382 --> 01:12:29,468 Personally, I consider it condones moral laxity and promiscuity, 1118 01:12:29,971 --> 01:12:32,805 it leads to uncertainty and instability, 1119 01:12:33,182 --> 01:12:35,925 a soggy mind and mental impoverishment 1120 01:12:36,561 --> 01:12:39,099 and contains all the disruptive elements 1121 01:12:39,230 --> 01:12:43,099 which would tear down the pillars of our society. 1122 01:12:43,860 --> 01:12:46,227 It really is about time we realised 1123 01:12:46,404 --> 01:12:51,741 that the fault lies in the fact that we have created a permissive society. 1124 01:12:52,827 --> 01:12:57,037 Now, the epidemic drug taking in this country 1125 01:12:57,123 --> 01:13:00,332 is now so extensive that many of you, 1126 01:13:01,419 --> 01:13:03,786 whatever your jobs, will have come across it. 1127 01:13:04,213 --> 01:13:08,878 We must rid the country of this insidious disease of "don't care". 1128 01:13:15,099 --> 01:13:16,931 And I was the first to be busted. 1129 01:13:23,691 --> 01:13:25,148 What do you know of this Donovan? 1130 01:13:26,652 --> 01:13:29,190 I've had him on the special attention list for some time. 1131 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,270 Right. 1132 01:13:30,364 --> 01:13:33,607 That next day, when we were let out at 4:00 in the morning, 1133 01:13:33,784 --> 01:13:35,696 the phone rang, and it was George Harrison. 1134 01:13:35,786 --> 01:13:38,779 And he said, "Is everything all right?" 1135 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,578 I said, "Yeah, we're out." 1136 01:13:42,501 --> 01:13:43,662 He said, "What you gonna do?" 1137 01:13:43,753 --> 01:13:46,211 I said, "We're gonna go away for a while." 1138 01:13:47,048 --> 01:13:50,212 He said, "If you want £10,000 by 12 noon..." 1139 01:13:50,968 --> 01:13:52,584 I said, "No, I'm OK with the money. 1140 01:13:53,763 --> 01:13:56,096 "We're gonna go to Scotland until it blows over." 1141 01:13:57,141 --> 01:13:59,884 He said, "It'll never blow over, Don. 1142 01:13:59,977 --> 01:14:01,468 "We'll be next." 1143 01:14:01,562 --> 01:14:03,849 Paul, how often have you taken LSD? 1144 01:14:06,192 --> 01:14:07,182 About four times. 1145 01:14:08,235 --> 01:14:09,442 And where did you get it from? 1146 01:14:10,446 --> 01:14:12,859 Oh, you know, I mean, if I was to say where I'd got it from, 1147 01:14:12,949 --> 01:14:14,485 you know, it's illegal and everything. 1148 01:14:14,575 --> 01:14:16,908 It's silly to say that, so I'd rather not say that. 1149 01:14:17,244 --> 01:14:20,863 Don't you believe that this was a matter which you should have kept private? 1150 01:14:21,374 --> 01:14:23,582 I mean, you're spreading this now, at this moment. 1151 01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:26,998 This is going into all the homes, you know, in Britain. 1152 01:14:28,047 --> 01:14:30,004 And I'd rather it didn't, you know. 1153 01:14:30,091 --> 01:14:32,458 But you're asking me the question. You want me to be honest. 1154 01:14:32,593 --> 01:14:33,583 I'll be honest, you know? 1155 01:14:34,303 --> 01:14:37,046 But as a public figure, surely you've got a responsibility 1156 01:14:37,139 --> 01:14:40,849 - to lots and lots of teenagers? - No, it's you've got the responsibility. 1157 01:14:40,935 --> 01:14:43,552 You've got the responsibility not to spread this now. 1158 01:14:44,271 --> 01:14:47,435 You know, I'm quite prepared to keep it as a very personal thing. 1159 01:14:47,817 --> 01:14:49,149 If you will, too. 1160 01:14:49,610 --> 01:14:52,353 What I do with things is I look at examples 1161 01:14:52,905 --> 01:14:53,895 of people who do things. 1162 01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:57,734 If I saw somebody who took drugs who became 1163 01:14:58,327 --> 01:15:02,037 more intelligent, nicer, earned more money, more handsome, 1164 01:15:02,123 --> 01:15:05,582 a better lover or got a better physique through it 1165 01:15:05,668 --> 01:15:07,125 and he set a good example, 1166 01:15:07,211 --> 01:15:09,999 I would be the first to take drugs, and suggest everybody else should. 1167 01:15:10,506 --> 01:15:13,795 But most of the people I know who've taken drugs over a period of time 1168 01:15:13,884 --> 01:15:16,422 seem to have gone to wrack and ruin and I don't wanna go there. 1169 01:15:16,554 --> 01:15:19,513 I never wanted to talk about drugs in public 1170 01:15:19,598 --> 01:15:21,806 because I don't want to influence anybody 1171 01:15:22,852 --> 01:15:23,842 in anything. 1172 01:15:24,395 --> 01:15:26,978 But if you ask me, I guess I have to say that 1173 01:15:27,064 --> 01:15:29,477 of course I took drugs, like everyone. 1174 01:15:30,609 --> 01:15:32,191 But not because of everyone. 1175 01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:43,237 It came from the FBI to MI5 to the... 1176 01:15:43,330 --> 01:15:44,320 Really? 1177 01:15:44,415 --> 01:15:48,034 - Yes! It's like one of your films, man. - It sounds like it! 1178 01:15:55,426 --> 01:15:58,043 You know, we say there were 300 people in the '60s 1179 01:15:58,220 --> 01:16:00,587 and all the people who said they were at the Redlands bust, 1180 01:16:01,098 --> 01:16:04,262 we would have had to have a marquee on the lawn, you know. 1181 01:16:04,351 --> 01:16:06,138 It was basically a party 1182 01:16:06,645 --> 01:16:09,638 where good friends got together to take a bit of LSD. 1183 01:16:16,614 --> 01:16:18,230 That was one of my first trips. 1184 01:16:18,324 --> 01:16:20,782 It was a pretty rough experience, actually... 1185 01:16:20,868 --> 01:16:22,951 - Yeah. - ...to have 25 cops walk in. 1186 01:16:23,037 --> 01:16:26,906 - Is that what happened? - Yeah, and I was rather naughty, too. 1187 01:16:27,875 --> 01:16:29,286 - I'd gone to have a bath. - Yeah. 1188 01:16:30,669 --> 01:16:33,161 - I was in a fur rug. - And nothing else? 1189 01:16:33,255 --> 01:16:35,793 And I dropped the fur rug. 1190 01:16:35,966 --> 01:16:38,709 - And gave a flash at the constabulary. - At the coppers? 1191 01:16:38,969 --> 01:16:41,507 And they were so stunned, you know. 1192 01:16:41,597 --> 01:16:42,758 I was showing off, wasn't I? 1193 01:16:42,932 --> 01:16:45,970 Yeah, obviously. And why not? You were young, beautiful. 1194 01:16:46,060 --> 01:16:48,723 I was beautiful, I was naked, I was in a fur rug. 1195 01:16:48,813 --> 01:16:52,056 Hey! And I was naughty and defiant. 1196 01:16:53,901 --> 01:16:56,769 Evidence that an unnamed naked woman 1197 01:16:56,904 --> 01:16:59,487 was sitting on a sofa with a rug around her 1198 01:16:59,573 --> 01:17:03,863 when police raided Keith Richards' house at West Wittering 1199 01:17:03,953 --> 01:17:05,319 was given in court today. 1200 01:17:05,412 --> 01:17:06,744 First of all, they don't like 1201 01:17:06,831 --> 01:17:08,242 young kids with a lot of money, you know? 1202 01:17:08,332 --> 01:17:09,448 They don't like that anyway. 1203 01:17:09,542 --> 01:17:12,876 But as long as you're sort of cool and do your, you know, 1204 01:17:13,212 --> 01:17:14,202 and don't... 1205 01:17:16,549 --> 01:17:18,791 bother them, you know. But we bothered 'em. 1206 01:17:18,884 --> 01:17:20,091 You know, we bothered them 1207 01:17:21,387 --> 01:17:23,970 because of the way we look, because of the way we act, because... 1208 01:17:24,723 --> 01:17:27,090 And we never showed any reverence for them whatsoever. 1209 01:17:27,226 --> 01:17:31,266 This is not Golden Gate Park or Central Park, 1210 01:17:31,647 --> 01:17:33,684 this is Hyde Park in London. 1211 01:17:34,567 --> 01:17:36,399 And these are British hippies 1212 01:17:36,569 --> 01:17:39,186 gathered to protest the heavy sentences 1213 01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:40,987 against two Rolling Stones. 1214 01:17:41,323 --> 01:17:45,363 Mick Jagger, for having four tablets of Benzedrine in his pocket 1215 01:17:45,744 --> 01:17:48,908 and Keith Richards, for allowing his premises 1216 01:17:48,998 --> 01:17:51,160 to be used for the smoking of marijuana. 1217 01:17:53,502 --> 01:17:57,121 And then I started getting poisonous letters, 1218 01:17:58,257 --> 01:18:01,750 basically saying, "The sooner you die, the better." 1219 01:18:02,970 --> 01:18:05,713 You know, "You are a contamination on our island's shores." 1220 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,887 And I took all this very much to heart. 1221 01:18:26,911 --> 01:18:29,904 And I thought I would die and I almost welcomed it. 1222 01:18:29,997 --> 01:18:32,489 But I started to get into hard drugs 1223 01:18:32,583 --> 01:18:33,664 and that's what did it. 1224 01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:38,958 There was a feeling that something special was over. 1225 01:18:40,216 --> 01:18:41,673 We'd pushed for change, 1226 01:18:42,885 --> 01:18:45,218 now change was pushing us. 1227 01:18:46,847 --> 01:18:48,759 Maybe, for some of us, 1228 01:18:49,975 --> 01:18:51,557 the party had gone on too long. 1229 01:18:58,651 --> 01:19:01,143 We'd sort of done everything we'd wanted to do. 1230 01:19:01,987 --> 01:19:05,276 We were getting a bit fed up of having to have a group mentality, 1231 01:19:05,658 --> 01:19:07,445 so we were pissing each other off. 1232 01:19:40,276 --> 01:19:42,859 Although it was a shock when it actually happened, 1233 01:19:43,362 --> 01:19:45,604 nobody was really that surprised, you know. 1234 01:19:46,031 --> 01:19:47,522 Everybody knows people that... 1235 01:19:48,117 --> 01:19:50,234 You just have that feeling that they're not gonna be, 1236 01:19:50,369 --> 01:19:53,077 they're not gonna be 70 years old, ever, you know. 1237 01:19:53,163 --> 01:19:55,405 Not everybody makes it, you know. 1238 01:20:00,170 --> 01:20:03,538 Looking back, what strikes me most about the '60s 1239 01:20:03,632 --> 01:20:05,373 is that it was a time, 1240 01:20:05,467 --> 01:20:06,924 maybe the first time, 1241 01:20:07,011 --> 01:20:09,378 when the future was shaped by young people. 1242 01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:13,514 We were utterly convinced that it was our time. 1243 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,216 The best time of our lives. 1244 01:20:18,230 --> 01:20:20,313 Youth is not a time of life, 1245 01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:21,856 it's a state of mind. 1246 01:20:38,625 --> 01:20:41,618 So, they, whoever they are, don't stand a chance, 1247 01:20:41,712 --> 01:20:43,078 because they can't beat love. 1248 01:20:58,687 --> 01:21:02,180 Never look back in anger, always look forward in hope. 1249 01:21:03,984 --> 01:21:07,352 And never, ever, ever dream small. 105232

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