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- And now, Rob McElhenney!
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[big band music]
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[cheers and applause]
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- Hello!
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[cheers and applause]
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- Please welcome my wife,
the incomparable Kaitlin Olson.
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[cheers and applause]
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[upbeat music]
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- Remember that clip
that you showed earlier
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before the commercial,
where we were all in England,
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celebrating
what we thought was--
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- Yeah, a goal.
- You know, a goal.
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- Um, can we play that,
just the last part again?
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ANNOUNCER: Somebody needs to
explain the offside rule...
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KAITLIN: Yeah.
ANNOUNCER: To the A-listers.
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KAITLIN: Oh.
ROB: Yeah? Oh, yeah.
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[laughter, applause]
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- Oh, wow. The--
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There I am.
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I turn around to, you know,
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congratulate my husband,
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and you just go ahead and jump
right into the arms
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of Ryan Reynolds,
just aggressively.
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- Okay.
- You made a dec--
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you saw me,
and you turned,
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and you jumped
right into his arms.
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- In fairness...
KAITLIN: Yeah?
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- Who wouldn't want to jump
into the arms of Ryan Reynolds?
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BUDDY HOLLY [singing]:
Every day
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It's a-getting closer
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Going faster
than a roller coaster
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Love like yours
will surely come my way
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A-hey, a-hey-hey
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Every day,
it's a-getting faster
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Everyone said,
"Go ahead and ask her"
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Love like yours
will surely come my way
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A-hey, a-hey-hey
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Love like yours
will surely come my way
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- No.
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- I did hear.
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Kind of don't even know
who he is.
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I'm supposed to know who he is,
but apparently,
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he's someone in a movie.
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- I don't know if you
should say that in the mic.
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- [laughs] It's true.
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- I don't know
who he is, either.
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- Who is he?
- But I'm sure he'll do well.
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- Do you know who he is?
- We wish him well,
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whoever he is.
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[exciting music]
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ROB: So when this whole thing
started, I said to Kaitlin,
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what do you think about me
seeing if Ryan
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would want to do this
with me, like, 50-50?
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And she said, "Do you think
your ego could handle
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sharing a screen
with Ryan Reynolds?"
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ROB: That--
that doesn't surprise me.
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He's not that well-known.
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- Well, he's got Rob backing
him now, and Humphrey.
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So the guy'll go somewhere.
- [laughs]
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- You set up--
I gotta get in here.
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Haha. All right.
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- All right, see you soon.
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- I will, uh--
I will see you soon. Bye.
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HOST: So let's start
from the very beginning.
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Um, Ryan, I hear your
friendship actually started
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when Rob slid into your DMs.
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Do you want to spill the tea
on that one a little bit?
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RYAN: No!
No, I slid into his DMs.
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HOST:
Oh, you slid into his DMs?
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- Oh, my God, yeah.
I mean--
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ROB: How quickly--
- Are you kidding me?
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- How quickly the story changes.
RYAN: I know.
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ROB: Okay, so Ryan, this is
what's called a soundstage.
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RYAN: Really?
ROB: Yeah.
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RYAN:
And they don't use ceilings?
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ROB: They make movies,
they make TV.
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Well, there is a ceiling.
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- I'd seen an episode
of his show
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that I found to be particularly
inspiring and beautiful.
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I slid into his DMs,
and I wrote,
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"Powder my bottom
and put me to bed."
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ROB: This is not actually a bar.
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RYAN: Look at this.
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Yeah.
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Oh, wow.
ROB: Yeah.
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RYAN: He DM'd me back,
and then we kind of became,
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you know, digital friends--
HOST: Yeah.
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- Which later turned into
real-life human friends.
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ROB: Platonic relationships
between men
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is a complicated subject.
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And Ryan and I had questions.
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RYAN: So we went to the only
logical place for answers--
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a woman.
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- Hi, my name is Liz Plank.
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And I am the author of
For the Love of Men:
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A Vision for
Mindful Masculinity.
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I'm a journalist.
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I'm a filmmaker,
a columnist, podcast.
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I noticed, in the first episode
of the show,
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Rob said that he went to Ryan
for "movie money."
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Also felt like an excuse
to actually
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probably be friends with Ryan
and spend time with Ryan.
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- You're, like, dating?
- I don't know.
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I'm definitely gonna swoon.
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So you gotta--you gotta
stay wide for that shot.
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'Cause if you see my eyes,
I'm gonna be, like, floating.
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[laughs]
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He's probably gonna pick me up
like a child.
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[laughs] And cradle me.
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There's also the weird
phenomenon, that is true,
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that if you see--if you
watch somebody long enough
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over an extended period
of time,
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you start to feel like
you know them anyway.
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So even before we connected,
you know,
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you get a sense that
you kind of know that person,
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even though you don't.
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We became pretty close,
pretty fast.
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- The Rookie.
- Okay.
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- Dennis Quaid.
- Whoa, look--
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- Like, a 40-year-old pitcher
in the major--
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- Can we just address the--
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can we address the mustache
in the room?
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[dreamy music]
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I've heard a lot of people
refer to our relationship
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as a bromance.
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I find that fascinating.
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- The definition of the word
bromance is just--
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it's a platonic relationship
between two men.
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There's no female equivalent
to the term bromance.
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The female equivalent
is friends.
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And so the fact that we need
a term to describe two men
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going out to dinner, I think,
is very revealing
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about what men are allowed
or are not allowed to do,
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and how much
self-policing there is
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when it comes to their
relationships with other men.
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ROB: It's so funny,
and so indicative
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of where we are
as a culture now,
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that we have to use cute terms
to define
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an intimate relationship
between two men.
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I don't know why.
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I think maybe it's because
it's easier for us
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to talk about it
by making it sound
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a little bit more juvenile,
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or just cute and funny.
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- So bromance is almost
this permission
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for men to connect,
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and to show love to each other.
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Because it's like--
it's like a joke.
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- I've been waiting for
the right, peaceful moment
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to ask you,
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do you harbor any anger
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and/or resentment towards me
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for asking you to do this?
[laughs]
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- My wife wants
to kill you, Rob.
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- Yeah.
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[cheering]
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LIZ: Men prove their manhood
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by ascribing
to the definition of masculinity
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that they've been told
they need to aspire to,
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which is, you know, domination,
aggression,
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winning at all costs.
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- This is what men do!
- Yeah!
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- This is men stuff!
- Yeah!
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ROB: Traditionally,
men have liked to get together
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with groups of other men
and do stuff,
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whether that be
go to football matches,
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play football, play golf,
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drink, uh,
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hang out, talk,
shoot the shit,
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rove in gangs,
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beat the living shit
out of each other,
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compete with one another.
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Look at my heel.
- Right?
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- You have a heel, too!
- Yeah, I--I wear--
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And I wore...
- This is great.
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- Three-inch lifts just
to really hammer home--
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George said to establish
dominance right away.
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- I know,
but it's not happening.
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- No, I know, not at all.
- Yes!
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- And I'm very thin
compared to these guns.
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- Yeah, look at this. Yeah.
- Good Lord.
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- I read somewhere
that lifting weights
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increases height.
- True.
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- Give me some more gum
for Dennis.
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- No, I don't trust you.
- Why not?
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- 'Cause you're just gonna
put it in your mouth
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and eat it again.
- I won't. I promise.
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- Hmm, his neck is high.
It makes me trust him.
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Good posture, bro. Okay.
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- Come on.
- All right, I trust you.
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- How are you?
- What's your name?
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- Good, how are you?
- James.
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LIZ:
I just find it really funny
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just watching men,
like, greet each other.
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I feel like I have
secondhand stress
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about seeing two men sometimes
greet each other.
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Because sometimes it's like
a straight-up handshake.
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Sometimes,
it's the handshake, but like,
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kind of the clap,
and then they, like,
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still kind of touch.
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Sometimes,
it's the handshake
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followed by the hug,
tap, tap.
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And then it keeps going
while they're talking,
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but sometimes they pull out.
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There's--
there's the fist bump,
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obviously, as well.
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I feel confused,
and I feel stressed
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seeing men
trying to greet each other.
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CAMERAPERSON: It's very weird.
Like, I'm a hugger.
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But like, some guys will throw
in the--
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they need the hand--
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LIZ: Oh, with the hug?
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CAMERAPERSON: The hand with the
hug because you can't just--
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- You can't touch hearts.
CAMERAPERSON: For the hug.
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- Okay, yes. Okay.
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CAMERAPERSON:
That's too intimate.
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- Too intimate.
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You gotta keep something
in between the bodies.
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And then one day,
you'll graduate
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to just your hearts touching.
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Sports becomes this safe space
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for men to love each other,
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and to relate to each other,
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not just, you know, emotionally,
but also physically.
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Like, I just find it
fascinating
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watching, you know,
men on a football field
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touching each other,
and being very affectionate,
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being very physically close
with each other--
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even, like,
slapping each other's butts.
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When can men slap
each other's butts
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except when they're on
a football field?
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[cheering]
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Do men get close
with each other
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because they love sports?
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Or do men do sports because
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they want to be close
to each other?
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- I've watched you become
a massive sports fan,
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which I don't think
you were before.
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- I wasn't.
I mean, I've always--
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I always played sports.
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I loved playing sports.
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But the idea or the thought
of this
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never, never was on
my vision board.
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Part of the fun
isn't just getting
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to hang out with each other,
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or having a football team
together.
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It's also talking about things
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that can be, uh,
uncomfortable.
249
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We filmed our colonoscopies
together, for God's sake.
250
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- It's the first time
you've had a colonoscopy.
251
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- Yeah.
- And--
252
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- We're fucking filming it.
253
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- You're filming it--
254
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- Which is, like,
also just awful.
255
00:09:54,252 --> 00:09:57,722
Can't believe you pumped all
that Aviation Gin into my IV.
256
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I was out like a light.
257
00:10:01,025 --> 00:10:04,155
They didn't find Rosebud
up there?
258
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ROB: I figure I can't go wrong
in terms of
259
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comparing myself to Ryan.
260
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They either find nothing,
261
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and that means my colon
was cleaner than his.
262
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Or they find a polyp.
263
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All set.
264
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And it's either
bigger than his,
265
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which is awesome,
266
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or it's smaller than his,
267
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which means I had less of
an opportunity to have cancer.
268
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Either way, I win.
269
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- You can just relax.
270
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[laughs]
271
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- How was it before?
272
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NURSE: It was good.
273
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The last one was 113 over 48.
274
00:10:37,829 --> 00:10:39,559
- Is it better than Ryan's?
275
00:10:39,631 --> 00:10:42,131
NURSE: Yeah.
276
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- We're back here with
Ryan Reynolds and the other guy.
277
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[laughter]
278
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- I think we both have enormous
respect for each other,
279
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which is what I think
is the backbone
280
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to any healthy relationship.
281
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- Any endeavor
at this point in my life
282
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is an opportunity to continue
to forge new relationships.
283
00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,590
So it was really special,
284
00:11:04,656 --> 00:11:06,456
and has been really special
to me,
285
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my relationship with him.
286
00:11:07,959 --> 00:11:10,659
- In many ways, sports becomes
this performance for men
287
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to really be that ideal
of masculinity
288
00:11:13,932 --> 00:11:15,972
that they're told to aspire to.
289
00:11:16,034 --> 00:11:18,544
And, you know,
maybe Rob and Ryan--
290
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I mean, they're performers.
291
00:11:20,104 --> 00:11:22,944
And so, they're still out there,
maybe some way,
292
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performing maybe not
for their dads,
293
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but for each other.
294
00:11:27,078 --> 00:11:29,208
- That's why Rob is
a fuck-face clown.
295
00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,480
He's just--
ROB: Aw, man.
296
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- Oh, Jesus. Rob--
297
00:11:31,749 --> 00:11:32,619
oh, hi, Mr. Chairman.
298
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ROB: How are you?
299
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- How are you?
You look nice.
300
00:11:35,053 --> 00:11:36,523
ROB: I'm sorry about
interrupting you.
301
00:11:36,588 --> 00:11:38,088
- I'm covered in microphones--
302
00:11:38,156 --> 00:11:39,386
- It's good to see--hi.
- So I can't stand up.
303
00:11:39,457 --> 00:11:40,687
- Well, hello.
- Hi.
304
00:11:40,758 --> 00:11:41,758
You guys are in the middle
of your thing?
305
00:11:41,826 --> 00:11:43,856
- God, you're handsome.
Um...
306
00:11:43,928 --> 00:11:45,458
All right.
- Yeah, did you get that?
307
00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:46,970
CAMERAPERSON: Last question.
- Come here.
308
00:11:47,031 --> 00:11:49,371
ROB: Are we concerned about Ryan
being overexposed?
309
00:11:49,434 --> 00:11:50,874
I think that's a fair--
- I'm plenty overexposed.
310
00:11:50,935 --> 00:11:52,565
- I think that's fair.
- Come on.
311
00:11:52,637 --> 00:11:53,707
- Where?
You want to go in here?
312
00:11:53,771 --> 00:11:54,841
- There you go.
Yeah, that's good.
313
00:11:54,906 --> 00:11:56,106
- Now, I feel like
we're really close.
314
00:11:59,377 --> 00:12:02,277
[sprinklers swishing]
315
00:12:20,031 --> 00:12:21,771
I can make a cup of tea.
316
00:12:21,833 --> 00:12:23,643
I make the best
cup of tea here.
317
00:12:23,701 --> 00:12:25,141
Why do you think
they got me on here?
318
00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:28,909
Chal doesn't have sugar.
319
00:12:28,973 --> 00:12:31,213
You got to have sugar,
though.
320
00:12:31,276 --> 00:12:33,706
Tea's not the same
without sugar.
321
00:12:33,778 --> 00:12:36,408
Hey, you deserve
a cuppa, Chal.
322
00:12:36,481 --> 00:12:37,551
- See?
323
00:12:37,615 --> 00:12:38,945
There is something that--
324
00:12:39,017 --> 00:12:41,687
- I see you've got
some Yorkshire bags in.
325
00:12:41,753 --> 00:12:43,253
- Where's the milk?
326
00:12:43,321 --> 00:12:44,621
HARRY: What?
- Where's the milk?
327
00:12:44,689 --> 00:12:45,819
HARRY: It's in there.
328
00:12:45,890 --> 00:12:46,690
You said you don't like
too much milk.
329
00:12:46,758 --> 00:12:48,158
- Eh?
330
00:12:48,226 --> 00:12:49,226
- Oh, no, you like a little
more milk, don't you?
331
00:12:49,294 --> 00:12:50,234
CHAL: Yeah.
332
00:12:50,295 --> 00:12:51,555
- Well, go and have more then,
Chal.
333
00:12:51,629 --> 00:12:53,429
if you're gonna be ungrateful.
I'll put these away.
334
00:12:53,498 --> 00:12:56,098
- This is the life skills you
need to learn, innit, Harry?
335
00:12:56,167 --> 00:12:57,997
A cup of tea's one of the
most important things.
336
00:12:58,069 --> 00:12:59,969
HARRY: It is, Chal.
337
00:13:00,038 --> 00:13:01,638
More milky next time.
338
00:13:01,706 --> 00:13:02,836
I got you.
339
00:13:04,576 --> 00:13:06,836
- It's the worst cup of tea
I've had all day, Harry.
340
00:13:06,911 --> 00:13:08,381
- Don't put me down
like that, Chal..
341
00:13:08,446 --> 00:13:10,846
[light music]
342
00:13:10,915 --> 00:13:13,175
[indistinct chatter]
343
00:13:13,251 --> 00:13:16,991
- Well, my earliest memory
of being a fan is
344
00:13:17,055 --> 00:13:19,015
since I could talk,
since I could kick a ball,
345
00:13:19,090 --> 00:13:21,430
since I've come out the womb,
I just love Wrexham.
346
00:13:21,492 --> 00:13:24,402
My room is full of
Wrexham stuff, to be honest.
347
00:13:24,462 --> 00:13:27,002
Being a football fan or
Wrexham fan, it's just--
348
00:13:27,065 --> 00:13:29,325
it's just run
through your family,
349
00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,540
and my dad, obviously,
and my granddad on my side.
350
00:13:32,604 --> 00:13:34,844
And they've just always
been a Wrexham fan,
351
00:13:34,906 --> 00:13:36,536
and it's just run to me, now.
352
00:13:36,608 --> 00:13:39,138
So hopefully, when I have kids,
they'll be Wrexham fans.
353
00:13:39,210 --> 00:13:40,980
'Cause I don't think
it'll ever,
354
00:13:41,045 --> 00:13:44,275
ever stop, my racecourse.
355
00:13:44,349 --> 00:13:46,779
- I think that boys grow up
thinking,
356
00:13:46,851 --> 00:13:48,691
"This is how I need to,
357
00:13:48,753 --> 00:13:50,723
you know,
get my dad's approval."
358
00:13:50,788 --> 00:13:54,688
Because their dads, that's how
they got their dad's approval.
359
00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:56,759
And it's kind of
just passed down.
360
00:13:56,828 --> 00:13:57,998
Not necessarily questioned.
361
00:13:58,062 --> 00:14:00,672
RYAN: I played football
for nine years.
362
00:14:00,732 --> 00:14:01,972
I played rugby,
I played baseball,
363
00:14:02,033 --> 00:14:05,303
and I played soccer,
as we call it.
364
00:14:05,370 --> 00:14:08,910
And that was my kind of version
of validation at that age,
365
00:14:08,973 --> 00:14:10,413
and--you know?
366
00:14:10,475 --> 00:14:13,135
Yeah, he really, like,
valued that, you know?
367
00:14:13,211 --> 00:14:15,251
- One of the really interesting
things that happened
368
00:14:15,313 --> 00:14:17,083
in the pandemic
is that there was
369
00:14:17,148 --> 00:14:18,678
this incredible
social experiment
370
00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:21,390
where sports basically,
like, went away.
371
00:14:21,452 --> 00:14:25,462
So one of the things I just
started asking men around me--
372
00:14:25,523 --> 00:14:28,393
you know, I would say, what do
you miss the most about sports?
373
00:14:28,459 --> 00:14:32,799
And the first guy I asked
had a tear go down--
374
00:14:32,864 --> 00:14:34,804
like, just literally
go down his face.
375
00:14:34,866 --> 00:14:37,096
And he said,
"Talking about it with my dad."
376
00:14:37,168 --> 00:14:40,238
- And I used to go with my dad
and my brother to games.
377
00:14:40,305 --> 00:14:43,135
And in general,
it was a family thing.
378
00:14:43,207 --> 00:14:44,807
- Growing up with--
me and my dad,
379
00:14:44,876 --> 00:14:46,906
he took me from an early age.
380
00:14:46,978 --> 00:14:49,448
And it's something
that's in the blood.
381
00:14:49,514 --> 00:14:52,154
- So what they miss the most
about sports wasn't--
382
00:14:52,217 --> 00:14:54,287
didn't actually have anything
to do with sports.
383
00:14:54,352 --> 00:14:59,192
It was about the relationships
that they were able to have
384
00:14:59,257 --> 00:15:01,427
when they were watching
sports together.
385
00:15:01,492 --> 00:15:02,962
- I was a real youngster.
386
00:15:03,027 --> 00:15:04,527
Me dad used to take me
over to Liverpool years ago
387
00:15:04,596 --> 00:15:05,956
to watch the games.
388
00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:08,300
And actually,
once I moved to Wrexham,
389
00:15:08,366 --> 00:15:10,496
I just started attending
Wrexham games straight away.
390
00:15:10,568 --> 00:15:12,738
Yeah, I just started watching
Wrexham and loved it.
391
00:15:12,804 --> 00:15:14,274
Just fell in love with it.
392
00:15:14,339 --> 00:15:16,209
- From when I could
first kick a ball,
393
00:15:16,274 --> 00:15:19,584
my dad always had the belief
that I was good.
394
00:15:19,644 --> 00:15:20,914
He could see that I was good.
395
00:15:20,979 --> 00:15:23,279
And I can only appreciate
that because
396
00:15:23,348 --> 00:15:25,148
what I used to get
from him watching
397
00:15:25,216 --> 00:15:27,686
and his feedback would drive me
on even more.
398
00:15:27,752 --> 00:15:31,122
- For a lot of boys who grew up
being told that sports was
399
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:33,289
where they could really
prove themselves
400
00:15:33,358 --> 00:15:35,158
and have a relationship
with their father,
401
00:15:35,226 --> 00:15:37,526
or have a relationship
with other boys,
402
00:15:37,595 --> 00:15:40,725
they can grow up into
adulthood repeating that,
403
00:15:40,798 --> 00:15:44,738
where sports becomes the way
to earn that connection
404
00:15:44,802 --> 00:15:46,302
with other men.
405
00:15:46,371 --> 00:15:49,741
And maybe with our culture,
or with society at large, too.
406
00:15:49,807 --> 00:15:51,177
- Time to see if I still got it.
407
00:15:51,242 --> 00:15:52,582
- Aye.
408
00:15:52,644 --> 00:15:56,554
- It's so nice that he still
wants to take his dad
409
00:15:56,614 --> 00:15:58,984
out for a pint, you know,
and take him to the match,
410
00:15:59,050 --> 00:16:01,020
and look after me, and--
411
00:16:01,085 --> 00:16:03,855
you know, with his mates.
412
00:16:03,922 --> 00:16:07,862
I'm part of a--
the crowd, if you want.
413
00:16:07,926 --> 00:16:10,086
And that's what makes me
so happy, you know?
414
00:16:10,161 --> 00:16:12,401
I can't ask for
anything more than that.
415
00:16:12,463 --> 00:16:15,473
Boys day out.
Three generations here.
416
00:16:15,533 --> 00:16:16,973
Same as when
we go to the match,
417
00:16:17,035 --> 00:16:18,365
and we've got three
generations here.
418
00:16:18,436 --> 00:16:19,666
You just pass it down,
don't you?
419
00:16:19,737 --> 00:16:20,907
Like, you got it from Granddad.
420
00:16:20,972 --> 00:16:22,212
I got it from you.
421
00:16:22,273 --> 00:16:23,843
It's just--
and I give it to these boys.
422
00:16:23,908 --> 00:16:25,708
It's in our DNA now innit, eh?
423
00:16:25,777 --> 00:16:27,777
In our Winter DNA, lad?
Muah.
424
00:16:27,845 --> 00:16:29,005
- It certainly is.
425
00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,420
- That's right, it bloody is.
- Yeah?
426
00:16:45,196 --> 00:16:46,296
I'm not ready for it
though, Chal.
427
00:16:46,364 --> 00:16:48,474
I told you,
bit immature inside.
428
00:16:48,533 --> 00:16:50,903
I can't even cook an egg.
429
00:16:52,704 --> 00:16:54,574
- So this is when
you're on a date,
430
00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:57,139
when you have the first
sleepover, can make--
431
00:16:57,208 --> 00:16:59,078
you can make her an egg
in the morning.
432
00:16:59,143 --> 00:17:00,753
- Yeah, why don't you
chuck that one in?
433
00:17:00,812 --> 00:17:03,982
[laughter]
434
00:17:04,048 --> 00:17:05,878
You fucking idiot.
435
00:17:05,950 --> 00:17:08,450
Let's--we have
a really star candidate.
436
00:17:08,519 --> 00:17:11,189
- What, so don't do it
too hard this time, yeah?
437
00:17:11,256 --> 00:17:13,156
Take your time
cracking the egg.
438
00:17:13,224 --> 00:17:15,364
[laughter]
439
00:17:15,426 --> 00:17:16,726
- Man City.
- Yeah.
440
00:17:16,794 --> 00:17:18,104
ROB:
When I was in grade school,
441
00:17:18,162 --> 00:17:19,602
my dad and I would just
come home
442
00:17:19,664 --> 00:17:21,004
and we'd play basketball.
443
00:17:21,065 --> 00:17:23,465
And I would try to win.
444
00:17:23,534 --> 00:17:25,604
And I wouldn't let him
445
00:17:25,670 --> 00:17:27,140
let me win.
446
00:17:27,205 --> 00:17:28,735
In some ways,
what is the point
447
00:17:28,806 --> 00:17:30,136
if there's no competition?
448
00:17:30,208 --> 00:17:31,978
Because that's what's
sort of driving us
449
00:17:32,043 --> 00:17:34,183
all forward instinctually.
450
00:17:34,245 --> 00:17:35,305
Goal!
451
00:17:35,380 --> 00:17:37,050
And then it's only
in reflection
452
00:17:37,115 --> 00:17:39,545
where you realize, like,
oh, right,
453
00:17:39,617 --> 00:17:41,017
I--who the fuck cares?
454
00:17:41,085 --> 00:17:42,985
I do not understand offsides.
455
00:17:43,054 --> 00:17:44,424
- Like, offsides is, like, here.
456
00:17:44,489 --> 00:17:45,659
But then it's also there.
457
00:17:45,723 --> 00:17:47,363
But when you get a penalty--
458
00:17:47,425 --> 00:17:48,425
ANNOUNCER: It's come down
to the final 20 minutes here.
459
00:17:48,493 --> 00:17:49,833
- Yes?
- It's not a goal?
460
00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:51,304
- Yes, it doesn't
make any sense.
461
00:17:51,362 --> 00:17:53,432
I don't remember
any specific game.
462
00:17:53,498 --> 00:17:55,428
I just remember--
463
00:17:58,870 --> 00:18:01,070
I just remember
playing with my dad,
464
00:18:01,139 --> 00:18:02,239
you know?
465
00:18:02,307 --> 00:18:08,647
[Cat Stevens' "Father & Son"]
466
00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,220
CAT STEVENS [singing:
It's not time to make a change
467
00:18:13,284 --> 00:18:16,894
Just relax, take it easy
468
00:18:16,955 --> 00:18:18,685
You're still young
469
00:18:18,756 --> 00:18:20,656
That's your fault
470
00:18:20,725 --> 00:18:23,855
There's so much you have to know
471
00:18:23,928 --> 00:18:27,768
Find a girl, settle down
472
00:18:27,832 --> 00:18:31,402
If you want, you can marry
473
00:18:31,469 --> 00:18:33,469
Look at me
474
00:18:33,538 --> 00:18:38,538
I am old, but I'm happy
475
00:18:38,610 --> 00:18:42,080
I was once like you are now
476
00:18:42,146 --> 00:18:45,746
And I know that it's not easy
477
00:18:45,817 --> 00:18:47,817
To be calm
478
00:18:47,886 --> 00:18:52,816
When you've found
something going on
479
00:18:52,891 --> 00:18:56,061
But take your time,
think a lot
480
00:18:56,127 --> 00:18:59,527
Why, think of everything
you've got
481
00:18:59,597 --> 00:19:03,637
For you will still
be here tomorrow
482
00:19:03,701 --> 00:19:07,271
But your dreams may not
483
00:19:14,178 --> 00:19:17,278
If he's calling me his son
and, you know,
484
00:19:17,348 --> 00:19:18,918
taking me by his wing
like he is,
485
00:19:18,983 --> 00:19:20,353
and showing me
like he is, yeah,
486
00:19:20,418 --> 00:19:21,788
I'd say he does feel like--
487
00:19:21,853 --> 00:19:23,693
he does feel like
a father figure, in a way.
488
00:19:26,090 --> 00:19:27,560
Genius.
- You're a master?
489
00:19:27,625 --> 00:19:28,925
- Mm.
490
00:19:28,993 --> 00:19:30,463
You've got to have
plenty of role models
491
00:19:30,528 --> 00:19:32,398
in your life to become
who you are, haven't you?
492
00:19:32,463 --> 00:19:35,573
And...
493
00:19:35,633 --> 00:19:37,773
Yeah.
494
00:19:40,038 --> 00:19:47,048
CAT STEVENS [singing]:
I know I have to go
495
00:20:12,837 --> 00:20:14,367
[child giggles, seagull cries]
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