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The Hammer
men, you just don't know
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what's hiding behind their
personality or behind their demeanor.
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And it's really
apparent with Armie.
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What's coming out publicly
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about the love bombing and
the texting and the controlling.
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I'm not surprised
by any of that.
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And it weirds and
scares a lot of people,
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but for me it's really familiar.
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If you believe about
making deals with the devil,
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the Hammers are
top of the totem pole.
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After the documentary was
announced before we started filming,
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I received a text.
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And it was a friend.
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She said...
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I have this reoccurring dream.
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It starts with this motel sign.
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But in my dream, the
motel just keeps going.
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Something worse is
happening in each room.
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And I can't get the fuck out.
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There's no way out.
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You have to go through
the whole thing again.
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The scenario with the ropes in Sedona
was six days before I met his mom.
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After that, it was horrible.
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I completely disassociated.
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It was like I wanted to
get as far away from him,
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as far away from
what had happened.
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I always keep a journal.
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This piece is something
I wrote on my way
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to my first treatment
center on October 5th.
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This is on the plane.
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"I surrendered
to him 100 percent,
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gave him anything
good I had left.
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What in the fuck
is wrong with you?
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He used me in every way humanly
possible for months and I fucking let him.
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I feel absolutely numb and
small and disgusting and ugly."
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While I was in rehab...
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Some idiot texted me,
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"Armie has a new girlfriend."
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And I looked her up.
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The first thing I saw,
she was really young.
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She's gorgeous.
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But she posted a picture, it
was like, kind of a lingerie picture.
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She had bruises
all over her arms,
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her chest, her legs.
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I could see the bruises and I
knew exactly what that picture was.
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You know, he says, "Wear
it like a badge of honor."
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My heart fucking sank
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because I was like,
"He's gonna do this
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to somebody who's 22 years old.
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What he just did
to me." I was 30.
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She's 22.
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I know how it is
in the beginning.
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And I just like, I knew
what she felt at the time.
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She looked so happy, like...
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I was there.
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He was on to the
next one who's...
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Younger? Maybe more naive?
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Maybe more
impressed with his fame?
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It was... He was
off to do it to her.
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I had just got out of a two
year really long relationship
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when I moved to LA. I had
never been to LA before.
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That was um, my second
time ever going. So...
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My first impressions of him
were extremely charming.
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Just captivated the room.
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He was just full of life.
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Loving, charismatic.
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Kind of the person that
we see in the interviews
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and the person that
we see on the screen.
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Armie, turn your head for me.
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And he really was
so all consuming
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and he made me feel
like it was a safe space.
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Made me feel this was
normal. He made me feel like
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this was gonna be fun and sexy.
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He carried safety pins,
Shibari rope, knives...
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Uh, like a paddle.
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Just a lot of the BDSM tools.
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He would always travel
with it wherever we went
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and whenever he came
over to my home in LA.
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He said he wanted to find a doctor in
Los Angeles to remove both my ribs.
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He wanted to eat my ribs.
He wanted to smoke them.
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He was obsessed with meat.
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I brushed it off, but I do
believe that he was serious.
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He would set up things
called high protocol nights.
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He'd set up a night
with very strict rules
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and it's all built around
like, inflicting pain
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on the submissive one in
the relationship, which was me.
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I didn't know what BDSM was,
so I thought that that was normal.
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To me, it's obvious that
Armie Hammer chose people
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who didn't have any
experience in BDSM
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because it gives
him an advantage
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to prey upon these people.
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Because they're
more easily coerced
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because they don't
know what BDSM really is.
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I had no idea what
I was getting into.
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And looking back, it's
like, very dangerous.
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The traditional motto of BDSM
is safe, sane and consensual.
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Most commonly in the
dom-sub relationship,
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the scenes are all centered
around the sub's fantasies.
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Safety and trust
are right there.
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It's the foundation of
the BDSM relationship.
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On
One of these high protocol nights,
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I was tied up, and he basically
looked over my body and said to me,
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"Where should I put
my initials on you?"
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And then he just started
to carve his initial into me.
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And I just didn't say anything.
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It was bleeding
and he was licking it,
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drinking kind of like, blood.
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Yeah, that's heavy.
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The part that stands out to me is,
you know, him coming to her and said,
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"Where should I put
my initials on you?"
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And then, he just
proceeded to cut her.
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So there was no negotiations
before the scene about it.
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She is in a very
vulnerable position
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because she is
feeling submissive,
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she's in a state of
wanting to please him
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and she doesn't want
to say no in the moment.
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I was in a weak position
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and he was in a
position of power.
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He knew how uncomfortable it
made me, but I just never said no.
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And I think that kind of
being coerced into things
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and we just don't
want to say no.
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We don't want to be undesirable.
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It's traumatizing.
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I was vulnerable.
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I was groomed by him.
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Someone who's getting
off on somebody else's fear,
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when that person feels
uncomfortable about it,
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is not a kinkster doing BDSM.
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That person is an abuser.
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And that's
very sad to think about.
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When you look back and you realize
it was just abuse and manipulation.
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It wasn't somebody
that cared for you
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and you just like, fell into
their trap so gracefully.
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When the
abuse allegations came out,
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it was a mixture of
shocked and not shocked.
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I had an opportunity to
work with Armie Hammer.
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What I had experienced was nothing
compared to what they had experienced.
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But the same kind of
qualities were there.
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Basically every story I have to
tell about him can be rooted in,
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"I control you 'cause
you're my employee."
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Armie puts on this
beautiful face to everybody.
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I was just trying to make a damn movie.
Everybody just needs to calm down.
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You'd work
with him the entire movie
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and never see
through that facade.
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Behind closed
doors, it's different.
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There was one instance
where he told me
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that this old friend of
his was coming into town
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and he wanted me to go to
the airport and hold up a sign
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in the airport that
said, "Faggot."
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I have chills actually
thinking about it right now.
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If I said no to him
about something,
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he'd try and find
ways to shame me.
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And this time he took
a poll from everybody.
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"Should I fire him because he
won't do what I told him to do?"
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I was a big kind
of joke or whatever.
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And he kept really pushing
and pushing and pushing
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because he
thought it'd be funny.
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We ended up at
a strip club once.
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10 a.m. on a Tuesday, me and Armie
and other actors and other crew members
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and lording his position and
my position over my head,
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forced me into
getting a lap dance.
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I was very against
it. I didn't want to do it.
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I felt incredibly
uncomfortable with it.
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But he basically ended up
again saying, "I'm your superior.
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You need to do this."
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And so, he made me believe
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that I had no choice.
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I could have walked away,
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but you just get scared
of the stature of it all.
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The job title and the person.
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- You do dangerous things?
- Yeah, I mean I like to, yeah.
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It just snowballed.
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We would get into his car and
then we would do 140 miles-an-hour
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like, through residential
streets while he was inebriated.
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And it would
scare me like crazy.
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My wife, uh, for the
longest time was convinced
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that I had what she
called a frontal lobe issue
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which I guess she says that's where
you assess risk and danger and all that,
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and she says that mine is
just severely underdeveloped.
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It was just kind of
daredevil machismo and exerting power.
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I just want to be helpful
to the people that need it.
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There are a lot of women
that have had their lives
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irreparably damaged
by all of this.
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It's like Dante's Inferno.
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It's gonna get worse
the deeper down you go.
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At the bottom it's just Armie.
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I knew Armie came from wealth.
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There are stories about like, his
connection to Armand Hammer.
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I would say had I chosen to
sort of follow the family's path
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and gone into business, it would
have been much more advantageous.
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He told me about
growing up in the Caymans.
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And how his father
bought a mansion there
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'cause he had seen The Firm.
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That's rich people shit.
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I feel like with a lot
of wealthy families,
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there's always a
dark story there.
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No one can ever be totally normal
when you have that much wealth.
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And Armie's father is the
picture perfect example of that.
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Michael and
Dru basically walked away
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with everything after
my grandfather died.
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They took control of
the Hammer Foundation,
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his estate and
millions of dollars.
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There were
famous rabbis at his funeral.
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And he literally was supposed to
have a bar mitzvah the day after he died.
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Dru's father in the middle
of Armand Hammer's funeral
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declared that Armand
had changed his religion
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and accepted Jesus
on his deathbed.
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Dru's father says
that before Armand died,
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he said, "I accept Christ."
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And all these people's
jaws just fell open.
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Michael Hammer
had $40 million in that trust
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and he is now
taking Armand's funds
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and putting them into all of
these Evangelical causes.
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Christian organizations
and Christian universities.
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It feels like he rewrote
the script for his grandfather
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and it just doesn't seem
like things are being handled
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in the way that Armand
would have wanted.
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Michael technically worked for
Occidental for like another year.
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And then he left Oxy.
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Michael didn't want to carry on
the name from my grandfather at all.
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You have Michael who is the most
Christian man out there to the public.
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But at the same time
behind the scenes,
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it's clear to me that there
was some really bad behavior.
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Hang onto your hats, guys. The
Armie Hammer article dropped
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and the tea is piping hot.
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Michael Hammer, Armie's father,
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it seems he may have passed
down some of his proclivity to his son.
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The sex throne, I heard
about a confirmed photo.
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So the sex throne's
like, seven feet tall.
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And there's also the Hammer insignia,
their family crest, on the throne.
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"For years, three
people claimed,
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Michael boasted
about a sex throne
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or naughty chair,
as he has called it,
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and kept in Armand Hammer
Foundation headquarters."
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There is a hook,
like a meat hook.
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And I...
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Almost don't even want to imagine
what somebody would do with this.
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Michael's lawyer came out
and said that this was a gag gift.
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It seems like an awfully large gag gift and
a very customized gag gift to give someone.
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Sex thrones most certainly do not
align with a Christian image.
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Like father, like son.
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It's such a facade.
243
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I think
we're all seeing the pattern.
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It's just generation
to generation.
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We all know Armie's
public persona.
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I think his team and his
family kind of curates this image
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around him?
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The Hammers are
very keen on presenting themselves
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for public consumption
in a certain way.
250
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And so, Armie Hammer
used the same practices
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as his father, Michael,
252
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and his great-grandfather,
Armand Hammer.
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You don't see what's
going on behind the curtain.
254
00:18:47,355 --> 00:18:49,959
Armand Hammer had many secrets.
255
00:18:54,716 --> 00:18:57,321
When Armand Hammer died,
256
00:18:57,322 --> 00:19:02,218
to my surprise, Julian Hammer
gave me a great deal of material.
257
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He gave me all
his private papers
258
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as well as recordings
of his father.
259
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I think that it was because,
very simply spoken,
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he hated what his father had done
to him in cutting him out of his will.
261
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He decided that he was
gonna expose his father
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as a criminal.
263
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Occidental would have
been a very small oil company
264
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which we wouldn't even
know the name today
265
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except Hammer was
a master at bribery.
266
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Armand Hammer would
go to a powerful person.
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He would offer them money,
268
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illegal cash bribes.
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He would deliver the money.
270
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And Julian would record the
entire crime being committed
271
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so he could later
blackmail the person.
272
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Yeah.
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Very little
shocks me, I should say,
274
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but the tapes he
gave me shocked me.
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That's the President...
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of Venezuela he's bribing.
277
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Hammer had no shame.
278
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He ignored all laws.
279
00:20:53,273 --> 00:20:56,604
Armand Hammer built
his own business empire
280
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on a great number
of great crimes.
281
00:21:01,225 --> 00:21:04,731
The extraordinary thing
about the Hammer family
282
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is the consistency
of vice over virtue.
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I shall resign the presidency
effective at noon tomorrow.
284
00:21:28,693 --> 00:21:31,818
In the movie
All the President's Men,
285
00:21:31,819 --> 00:21:35,254
which was about the
Watergate Scandal,
286
00:21:35,256 --> 00:21:40,290
Deep Throat says,
"Follow the money."
287
00:21:40,291 --> 00:21:43,938
If they did, they would have
found that it led to Armand Hammer.
288
00:21:47,966 --> 00:21:54,217
Hammer routinely made illegal
campaign contributions to politicians.
289
00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:56,855
I saw it firsthand
290
00:21:56,856 --> 00:22:01,405
that the political establishment
is buyable from top to bottom.
291
00:22:03,801 --> 00:22:07,795
This money was used
to pay off the Watergate burglars.
292
00:22:10,886 --> 00:22:15,468
Hammer orchestrated a cover
up where other people lied.
293
00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:16,650
And when that collapsed,
294
00:22:18,282 --> 00:22:20,678
Hammer had to plead
guilty to a misdemeanor.
295
00:22:24,325 --> 00:22:27,589
Today, Hammer pleaded
guilty of hiding contributions
296
00:22:27,658 --> 00:22:29,428
to the Nixon
reelection campaign.
297
00:22:31,617 --> 00:22:35,923
Having an outstanding
conviction was bad for business.
298
00:22:38,215 --> 00:22:43,701
And he saw creating a
relationship with Prince Charles...
299
00:22:43,702 --> 00:22:47,243
Well, I am indebted
to Dr. Hammer.
300
00:22:47,244 --> 00:22:50,508
as a way of making
himself respectable again.
301
00:22:52,453 --> 00:22:56,827
He knew that
everybody has a price.
302
00:22:56,828 --> 00:23:01,620
With Prince Charles, he just had
to discover what that price would be.
303
00:23:03,807 --> 00:23:07,765
When Prince Charles and
Diana visited the United States,
304
00:23:07,766 --> 00:23:12,454
their only unofficial,
non-state occasion
305
00:23:12,455 --> 00:23:15,267
was the gala that
Hammer threw for them.
306
00:23:17,351 --> 00:23:22,143
On the front pages of every
newspaper, every magazine,
307
00:23:22,144 --> 00:23:24,366
their visit was the top story.
308
00:23:27,353 --> 00:23:32,561
And in the end, Hammer
provided ยฃ40 million
309
00:23:32,562 --> 00:23:34,992
to Prince Charles' causes,
310
00:23:35,061 --> 00:23:38,118
which would add up to like,
a quarter of a billion today.
311
00:23:39,333 --> 00:23:44,645
And Charles did see
Hammer as a source
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of the funds for
everything he cared about.
313
00:23:46,834 --> 00:23:53,917
How on earth do they expect us to
get anything done without money?
314
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I will faithfully execute the office
of President of the United States.
315
00:24:10,482 --> 00:24:15,726
George Bush Sr. did give
him a pardon for the Watergate Scandal.
316
00:24:15,796 --> 00:24:17,149
Why did George Bush pardon him?
317
00:24:17,150 --> 00:24:20,414
Hammer was a major
contributor to both political parties.
318
00:24:22,810 --> 00:24:25,936
Hammer told me
his private golden rule
319
00:24:26,004 --> 00:24:28,957
was the person with
the gold makes the rules.
320
00:24:32,881 --> 00:24:37,986
I had reservations
about the way he presented himself.
321
00:24:39,028 --> 00:24:41,771
But it was only really from '88
322
00:24:43,299 --> 00:24:45,625
that my eyes were fully opened
323
00:24:46,944 --> 00:24:50,522
to the lying on which
his life was based.
324
00:24:51,737 --> 00:24:53,647
Now the situation
in the North Sea
325
00:24:53,717 --> 00:24:56,424
where an Occidental
petroleum oil rig blew up.
326
00:24:57,988 --> 00:24:59,654
Piper Alpha was a platform
327
00:24:59,655 --> 00:25:01,738
owned by Occidental
in the North Sea.
328
00:25:01,739 --> 00:25:06,009
It was the cornerstone
of Occidental's wealth.
329
00:25:06,010 --> 00:25:10,176
Mayday! Explosion
and fire on the Piper Alpha.
330
00:25:10,177 --> 00:25:14,379
In July 1988, there
was an accident on Piper Alpha
331
00:25:14,448 --> 00:25:20,281
that was the worst accident on an
off-shore platform in the world ever.
332
00:25:24,033 --> 00:25:27,887
The ensuing fire was
so severe, half the platform collapsed.
333
00:25:29,242 --> 00:25:31,846
167 people died.
334
00:25:33,652 --> 00:25:38,410
Within minutes, the first London
newspapers were on the phone calling me,
335
00:25:39,034 --> 00:25:40,492
asking if I knew anything.
336
00:25:40,493 --> 00:25:44,070
And I started to think about
337
00:25:44,138 --> 00:25:48,445
how I could serve Armand
Hammer in these circumstances.
338
00:25:52,161 --> 00:25:55,597
I said to Hammer, "Be the
spokesman for the corporation.
339
00:25:55,598 --> 00:25:58,098
Don't duck away.
340
00:25:58,099 --> 00:26:00,183
The worst thing
you can do is hide."
341
00:26:03,863 --> 00:26:06,572
There were
hundreds of journalists.
342
00:26:06,642 --> 00:26:09,140
And Hammer took the stage
343
00:26:09,141 --> 00:26:12,198
and just gave the
performance of his life.
344
00:26:12,267 --> 00:26:15,219
- Well, how do you feel personally about it?
- I feel very sad.
345
00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:19,976
He was sad, he was brave,
346
00:26:19,977 --> 00:26:23,309
he fronted up. He said,
"The buck stops with me,"
347
00:26:23,311 --> 00:26:26,018
which was a complete falsehood.
348
00:26:26,019 --> 00:26:28,934
And the press
completely swallowed it.
349
00:26:28,935 --> 00:26:33,032
There was not one
skeptical question.
350
00:26:33,033 --> 00:26:39,040
Nobody said to him, "This platform
has a deplorable safety record.
351
00:26:39,041 --> 00:26:42,166
There's already been one
man killed in the recent year.
352
00:26:42,167 --> 00:26:43,868
There was a mass evacuation."
353
00:26:43,938 --> 00:26:48,312
And he got off exactly in
the way that he intended
354
00:26:48,313 --> 00:26:50,431
and in the way
that I had devised.
355
00:26:55,015 --> 00:26:56,994
We went to the airport.
356
00:26:56,995 --> 00:27:00,502
Prince Charles and Princess
Diana came to the airport to meet him.
357
00:27:01,335 --> 00:27:03,766
They came striding towards him
358
00:27:03,836 --> 00:27:08,002
with their faces a kind of
picture of sorrow and grief.
359
00:27:08,003 --> 00:27:11,023
Prince Charles puts his hand out
to shake Armand Hammer's hand.
360
00:27:11,024 --> 00:27:13,628
He said, "You mustn't
blame yourself."
361
00:27:17,588 --> 00:27:22,206
He got on the plane and Hammer
called to the guys on the plane.
362
00:27:22,276 --> 00:27:24,810
He said, "Let's have
champagne and caviar.
363
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,199
We've had a great day."
364
00:27:29,290 --> 00:27:33,319
So, to enlist Prince Charles
as his supporter paid off.
365
00:27:41,236 --> 00:27:44,917
There were no direct
consequences whatsoever
366
00:27:44,986 --> 00:27:47,903
uh, in terms of punishments
for Armand Hammer
367
00:27:47,904 --> 00:27:49,188
or the board of Occidental.
368
00:27:50,508 --> 00:27:51,862
Nothing at all.
369
00:27:58,113 --> 00:28:01,862
Hammer took no
interest whatsoever
370
00:28:01,864 --> 00:28:06,134
in the survivors
or their families.
371
00:28:06,135 --> 00:28:08,218
The families of the dead.
372
00:28:10,510 --> 00:28:15,129
I go back every 10 years
for the 10th anniversary
373
00:28:16,275 --> 00:28:21,796
memorial services and
ceremonies around Piper Alpha.
374
00:28:22,699 --> 00:28:24,366
And you see there,
375
00:28:25,719 --> 00:28:27,005
um...
376
00:28:28,636 --> 00:28:31,485
children who didn't
know their fathers.
377
00:28:31,554 --> 00:28:34,297
Grandchildren who didn't
know their grandparents.
378
00:28:37,701 --> 00:28:41,450
There was no moral
defense for what I'd done.
379
00:28:41,451 --> 00:28:45,304
After Piper Alpha,
I decided to get out
380
00:28:45,305 --> 00:28:47,701
of my degrading
position with Hammer
381
00:28:47,702 --> 00:28:49,994
as fast as I could.
382
00:28:57,703 --> 00:29:02,704
I think he was the most Satanic man
of the second half of the 20th century
383
00:29:04,371 --> 00:29:10,238
In terms of corrupting
the political process,
384
00:29:10,239 --> 00:29:15,414
in terms of controlling people
and making them dance his tune,
385
00:29:16,663 --> 00:29:18,678
there is no comparison.
386
00:29:19,892 --> 00:29:23,886
Armand Hammer was
the embodiment of sin
387
00:29:23,955 --> 00:29:27,290
because he was the
embodiment of ruthless ego.
388
00:29:46,146 --> 00:29:50,625
After my grandfather
died, I gave up my career,
389
00:29:50,626 --> 00:29:53,750
quit my job, came
back to Los Angeles,
390
00:29:53,751 --> 00:29:55,731
and moved in with my father.
391
00:29:56,773 --> 00:29:59,479
My father was out of control.
392
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,641
He slowly started deteriorating.
393
00:30:02,711 --> 00:30:07,016
He would come downstairs
and he was foaming at the mouth,
394
00:30:07,086 --> 00:30:11,358
which later I found out was meth
and coke and all kinds of, just, drugs.
395
00:30:13,337 --> 00:30:16,913
He would be carrying
a loaded .357 magnum.
396
00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:22,087
He would wake me up with
a gun barrel on my temple
397
00:30:22,088 --> 00:30:24,205
and make me open my eyes
398
00:30:24,206 --> 00:30:28,649
and say, "I need to look in your
eyes to see if you're possessed.
399
00:30:28,650 --> 00:30:31,047
Because if you're possessed,
I'm pulling the trigger."
400
00:30:35,214 --> 00:30:37,228
My father would
have sane moments
401
00:30:37,298 --> 00:30:40,005
and then just totally
volatile moments
402
00:30:40,006 --> 00:30:43,479
where he was going crazy
and he wasn't getting help.
403
00:30:48,167 --> 00:30:50,944
And this went on for months.
404
00:30:50,945 --> 00:30:53,966
I just knew that I
needed to get out of there.
405
00:30:53,967 --> 00:30:56,258
And so, I moved out.
406
00:30:56,259 --> 00:30:58,757
It was just a way
to protect myself.
407
00:30:58,758 --> 00:31:01,362
Hi, Casey. Come on in.
408
00:31:01,363 --> 00:31:03,550
Watch your step.
409
00:31:03,551 --> 00:31:07,300
I tried to move forward
and make a name for myself.
410
00:31:07,301 --> 00:31:09,906
Welcome to my home.
411
00:31:12,128 --> 00:31:16,191
A friend of mine was a
producer for a local news station
412
00:31:16,261 --> 00:31:19,108
and she was doing a
piece called Victim No More.
413
00:31:22,303 --> 00:31:24,109
I wanted to be an
actress, so I was like,
414
00:31:24,178 --> 00:31:25,670
"Sure, you can film me."
415
00:31:25,671 --> 00:31:28,240
You can scream,
Case. Whatever you want.
416
00:31:28,241 --> 00:31:29,318
Action.
417
00:31:30,325 --> 00:31:32,304
Someone came
up from behind me...
418
00:31:34,527 --> 00:31:37,616
Get out of the car!
419
00:31:40,429 --> 00:31:43,034
Something visceral was
happening in my body
420
00:31:43,035 --> 00:31:46,472
and I was so afraid that he
was going to kill me or hurt me.
421
00:31:49,945 --> 00:31:52,861
Something took over inside of me
422
00:31:52,862 --> 00:31:55,013
and I hurt him.
423
00:31:55,014 --> 00:31:58,557
God dammit.
424
00:32:09,184 --> 00:32:11,579
I realized I needed help.
425
00:32:14,010 --> 00:32:16,579
So I went to a
psychologist in Beverly Hills
426
00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:20,261
and I remember
walking in to his office
427
00:32:20,331 --> 00:32:22,517
and I said, "Hi, my
name is Casey Hammer.
428
00:32:22,518 --> 00:32:24,287
My grandfather was
Armand Hammer.
429
00:32:24,288 --> 00:32:25,435
And I'm really fucked up."
430
00:32:27,623 --> 00:32:30,124
And we started...
431
00:32:31,581 --> 00:32:35,228
And then the memories started
happening when I was in therapy.
432
00:32:36,999 --> 00:32:38,979
The floodgates opened.
433
00:32:41,166 --> 00:32:45,541
I remembered one in
particular incident where
434
00:32:45,542 --> 00:32:48,772
there was a lot of noise
and partying going on.
435
00:32:50,681 --> 00:32:52,834
My brother was there as well.
436
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:58,911
My father started
shooting at the walls.
437
00:33:01,273 --> 00:33:05,787
And then my father was
like, "Wait, I've got an idea."
438
00:33:05,856 --> 00:33:10,267
And said to me, "Casey,
hold this phone book."
439
00:33:10,996 --> 00:33:14,016
And I did it thinking,
440
00:33:14,017 --> 00:33:16,413
"They're not going
to shoot at me."
441
00:33:18,288 --> 00:33:21,414
So, the phone book was
held up to the right of my head.
442
00:33:29,297 --> 00:33:30,790
I drop the phone book.
443
00:33:33,811 --> 00:33:36,728
I remember taking cover.
444
00:33:50,792 --> 00:33:53,882
I started remembering
all the abuse.
445
00:33:55,133 --> 00:33:59,300
Being choked and suffocated.
446
00:34:02,634 --> 00:34:07,044
Then I thought, "Oh, this
can't be. Something's weird."
447
00:34:07,114 --> 00:34:09,544
I remember talking to my mom
448
00:34:09,614 --> 00:34:14,649
and started saying to her
what I was remembering
449
00:34:14,718 --> 00:34:18,468
and hoping she would tell
me, "Oh, you're just crazy."
450
00:34:18,469 --> 00:34:20,900
But it turns out, she
did know about it.
451
00:34:20,969 --> 00:34:23,990
And what I was remembering
was actually happening.
452
00:34:25,345 --> 00:34:28,296
Things happened to me that
453
00:34:28,366 --> 00:34:30,588
shouldn't ever have
happened to a child.
454
00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:44,340
Yes. And...
455
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:48,681
That's all I've ever said.
456
00:34:50,278 --> 00:34:51,494
Because...
457
00:34:55,904 --> 00:34:58,717
Maybe he's the only
person I want to see when,
458
00:34:58,786 --> 00:35:00,973
I don't even think
he's in heaven,
459
00:35:00,974 --> 00:35:03,891
or on the other side or
whatever you believe, but,
460
00:35:05,384 --> 00:35:10,385
and that's how I know
that it's so deep and so...
461
00:35:11,947 --> 00:35:15,141
Like, I don't know if I'll
ever be normal because
462
00:35:16,914 --> 00:35:20,455
the fact that I still
think that he'll save me
463
00:35:20,456 --> 00:35:22,330
or be there for me.
464
00:35:23,894 --> 00:35:28,164
I found out what
my father was doing
465
00:35:28,165 --> 00:35:31,012
and I never confronted him.
466
00:35:31,082 --> 00:35:35,560
Because I didn't want to
hear him say the words.
467
00:35:35,562 --> 00:35:39,311
There's that hope that the
person's going to change
468
00:35:39,312 --> 00:35:42,541
and that they didn't
mean to hurt you.
469
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,305
My father ended up dying in '96,
470
00:35:48,306 --> 00:35:51,188
five years after my
grandfather died.
471
00:35:52,264 --> 00:35:56,500
But, it's still so hard.
472
00:35:56,501 --> 00:35:59,729
Because you want to
share your back story.
473
00:35:59,730 --> 00:36:01,848
You want to explain
why you're fucked up.
474
00:36:01,849 --> 00:36:03,169
Why you're broken.
475
00:36:06,919 --> 00:36:11,850
The generation I grew
up in, it was closed door.
476
00:36:13,691 --> 00:36:16,607
But, you know,
it's a different time.
477
00:36:18,934 --> 00:36:21,815
That was my
sentiment with Courtney.
478
00:36:21,816 --> 00:36:25,982
It's incredibly brave
nowadays because
479
00:36:25,983 --> 00:36:29,872
not only are you traumatized
from what he's done,
480
00:36:29,873 --> 00:36:35,081
but you're probably traumatized
over and over and over.
481
00:36:35,082 --> 00:36:37,338
But he needs to be
held accountable.
482
00:36:38,484 --> 00:36:41,124
And I hope she finds peace
483
00:36:41,194 --> 00:36:43,799
and whatever that means for her.
484
00:36:50,570 --> 00:36:52,584
I went to a residential rehab.
485
00:36:52,654 --> 00:36:55,674
It was based on, kind of,
what you were struggling with.
486
00:36:55,675 --> 00:36:58,730
Which, they placed
me in a trauma lodge.
487
00:36:59,946 --> 00:37:01,821
I had a specialty therapist.
488
00:37:03,383 --> 00:37:08,523
She was like, "What's the last
time you felt really uncomfortable,
489
00:37:08,592 --> 00:37:10,676
really embarrassed,
really afraid?"
490
00:37:12,448 --> 00:37:15,885
Then I went into that night.
491
00:37:18,594 --> 00:37:22,970
I remember the music that
was playing really vividly.
492
00:37:24,637 --> 00:37:31,406
I remembered the feeling
of the ropes on my wrists.
493
00:37:33,075 --> 00:37:36,235
It was just very surreal.
494
00:37:36,305 --> 00:37:39,845
I felt like I was, like,
back in that room.
495
00:37:39,846 --> 00:37:42,485
Back in that moment.
496
00:37:46,306 --> 00:37:50,403
I got diagnosed with
trauma and PTSD.
497
00:37:50,473 --> 00:37:53,215
My therapist said
I had to repeat,
498
00:37:53,216 --> 00:37:57,139
"I was used, abused
and abandoned."
499
00:37:57,140 --> 00:38:00,784
So, you're, like, trying to
make sense of what happened.
500
00:38:00,786 --> 00:38:03,910
And that's what she had
me repeat over and over.
501
00:38:03,911 --> 00:38:06,620
Like, "It's not your
fault you feel this way."
502
00:38:06,621 --> 00:38:09,015
It really stuck with me.
And it really made sense.
503
00:38:09,016 --> 00:38:10,682
That's truly what happened.
504
00:38:10,684 --> 00:38:15,369
I was used, abused, abandoned.
Just discarded after, just,
505
00:38:15,371 --> 00:38:17,663
having my life
turned inside out.
506
00:38:21,621 --> 00:38:24,468
Armie Hammer's
ex-girlfriend, Courtney Vucekovich...
507
00:38:24,469 --> 00:38:26,934
Armie Hammer's
public accounts are going viral.
508
00:38:26,935 --> 00:38:28,473
Courtney
Vucekovich has come forward
509
00:38:28,498 --> 00:38:30,719
with claims against
her ex, Armie Hammer.
510
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,907
When all this blew up,
511
00:38:32,908 --> 00:38:35,581
Paige messaged me on Instagram.
512
00:38:35,582 --> 00:38:37,909
I just sent her my phone
number and she called me.
513
00:38:37,978 --> 00:38:41,034
The first thing she said
was, "Why didn't you tell me?"
514
00:38:41,104 --> 00:38:44,124
And then she told me her story.
515
00:38:44,125 --> 00:38:48,604
It's like, holy shit.
It is a copy-paste.
516
00:38:49,749 --> 00:38:53,604
It was the same road
trip. The same motel.
517
00:38:53,605 --> 00:38:56,973
We wore the same
cowboy hat in our pictures.
518
00:38:57,042 --> 00:39:01,208
We both watched that
movie, the Secretary.
519
00:39:01,209 --> 00:39:04,751
I sent her the
album that he played
520
00:39:04,752 --> 00:39:08,641
when he tied me
up, traumatizing me.
521
00:39:08,711 --> 00:39:12,668
She goes, he played the
same exact album to her.
522
00:39:12,669 --> 00:39:15,204
She was like, "Does
he call you 'little thing'?"
523
00:39:15,274 --> 00:39:17,704
And I said, "Yeah,
'perfect little thing'?"
524
00:39:17,705 --> 00:39:19,000
She was like, "Yeah,
'perfect little thing.'"
525
00:39:19,025 --> 00:39:22,705
He says the same, he
called us the same nicknames.
526
00:39:23,851 --> 00:39:26,211
She meet his mom.
She went home with him.
527
00:39:26,212 --> 00:39:29,442
I mean, who just introduces
everyone to their mom?
528
00:39:29,443 --> 00:39:30,668
They had known
each other a month.
529
00:39:30,693 --> 00:39:32,879
I had meet her weeks prior.
530
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,692
We had the same relationship.
531
00:39:35,693 --> 00:39:39,964
And we'd almost guarantee there
was another one that same day
532
00:39:39,965 --> 00:39:41,561
that he was going
to do it again to.
533
00:39:41,562 --> 00:39:44,963
And he was going
to continue this cycle,
534
00:39:44,964 --> 00:39:47,880
this destructive cycle,
535
00:39:47,881 --> 00:39:49,792
until he couldn't anymore.
536
00:39:55,278 --> 00:39:58,439
To Armie Hammer, and
some good news for him,
537
00:39:58,507 --> 00:40:01,355
involving one of, uh, the
allegations against him,
538
00:40:01,356 --> 00:40:08,300
an allegation of rape, is looking like
that is not going to result in charges.
539
00:40:08,301 --> 00:40:11,634
It's a huge slap in
the face to see something like this.
540
00:40:11,635 --> 00:40:14,552
I am in shock, but
I'm not surprised.
541
00:40:15,628 --> 00:40:21,670
I can assure you that
when TMZ made that report,
542
00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:25,281
the case had not yet been
sent to the district attorney,
543
00:40:25,282 --> 00:40:27,886
let alone dropped.
544
00:40:27,887 --> 00:40:32,678
TMZ never even checked with
me before they ran that story.
545
00:40:49,382 --> 00:40:52,195
It's a common PR
tactic, quite frankly.
546
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:59,452
It's like, "Okay, I'm going to
own up to having a problem,
547
00:40:59,453 --> 00:41:01,328
so I'm going to
try to rectify it."
548
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:16,468
It seems Armie Hammer has quietly
hired a new PR person. Hear me out.
549
00:41:16,537 --> 00:41:21,225
So, this was front page on the
Daily Mail this morning on Snapchat.
550
00:41:21,226 --> 00:41:23,344
That his new girl, Lisa Perejma,
551
00:41:23,414 --> 00:41:25,324
has turned Armie
Hammer's life around.
552
00:41:25,393 --> 00:41:27,720
The article says, "Armie's
happier and healthier
553
00:41:27,790 --> 00:41:29,415
than I've ever seen
him in a long time."
554
00:41:30,707 --> 00:41:33,309
I think rehab
was his stepping stone,
555
00:41:33,310 --> 00:41:35,116
trying to rebrand his image.
556
00:41:44,284 --> 00:41:47,305
Of course, in the same week that
Death on the Nile is coming out,
557
00:41:47,375 --> 00:41:49,562
an article saying that
Armie's really done
558
00:41:49,563 --> 00:41:53,417
so much work in rehab came
out right before the movie.
559
00:42:23,004 --> 00:42:25,503
"Cancel culture" is
on people's tongues
560
00:42:25,504 --> 00:42:27,727
way more than "rape culture."
561
00:42:27,796 --> 00:42:30,607
And rape culture is
a much bigger issue.
562
00:42:30,608 --> 00:42:34,256
And cancel culture wouldn't exist if
rape culture wasn't such a big issue.
563
00:42:51,653 --> 00:42:55,647
I think at the end of
the day, PR will win in this situation.
564
00:42:55,716 --> 00:42:58,007
Obviously, Hollywood
is built on money.
565
00:42:58,008 --> 00:43:01,341
And, obviously, Armie comes from
a family that was built on money.
566
00:43:01,342 --> 00:43:05,509
So, if Armie can find a way
to make somebody money,
567
00:43:06,794 --> 00:43:09,675
then why couldn't
he possibly work?
568
00:43:09,676 --> 00:43:13,320
I think that we all expect
that he's not going to get in trouble.
569
00:43:13,321 --> 00:43:18,009
We all know there's no justice when it
comes to people with this much power.
570
00:43:18,011 --> 00:43:19,781
I'm sure there are
people, probably a lot of people,
571
00:43:19,782 --> 00:43:21,760
especially in this town,
who look at who I am
572
00:43:21,761 --> 00:43:23,983
or, you know, sort of,
my family and all that
573
00:43:24,053 --> 00:43:25,822
and say, "Well that's
why he got the part."
574
00:43:25,823 --> 00:43:27,767
Generation to generation,
575
00:43:27,768 --> 00:43:31,276
they have had a history of just doing
whatever they want and getting away with it
576
00:43:31,345 --> 00:43:35,303
because of the power and
the money that they have.
577
00:43:35,304 --> 00:43:38,637
And that's pretty intimidating.
578
00:43:38,638 --> 00:43:41,344
Every generation,
every period of humanity
579
00:43:41,346 --> 00:43:43,359
has always dealt
with the same shit.
580
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,131
And we will always
deal with the same shit,
581
00:43:45,201 --> 00:43:47,035
we just wear different
clothes when we do it.
582
00:43:52,909 --> 00:43:56,139
I'm really grateful
Armie and I didn't meet up.
583
00:43:56,140 --> 00:43:58,743
By the time that
we got to January
584
00:43:58,744 --> 00:44:01,973
and I had seen that he had
been doing this for years,
585
00:44:01,974 --> 00:44:04,995
that's when I realized how
close to danger I really was.
586
00:44:06,662 --> 00:44:10,514
A lot of the press was just all
about all of the roles he had lost
587
00:44:10,516 --> 00:44:12,912
and that was very
frustrating to me.
588
00:44:12,913 --> 00:44:19,058
My intention was to bring
back to the conversation
589
00:44:19,059 --> 00:44:23,747
the abuses that this
person has inflicted.
590
00:44:25,969 --> 00:44:29,998
I felt like art was the way
for me to speak to this issue.
591
00:44:35,623 --> 00:44:39,617
So I decided to make art pieces
from my conversations with Armie.
592
00:44:40,416 --> 00:44:41,872
Going back into these messages
593
00:44:41,873 --> 00:44:43,540
was really something
I had avoided.
594
00:44:43,541 --> 00:44:47,534
Um, but when I did, I did
it from a place of power.
595
00:44:47,604 --> 00:44:50,556
The first two pieces that I
made painted a good picture
596
00:44:50,625 --> 00:44:54,410
about the intersection between
wealth, predation and the abuse of power.
597
00:44:55,312 --> 00:44:57,640
Here I posted this meme
598
00:44:57,709 --> 00:45:00,036
which is about the
greatest wealth transfer
599
00:45:00,106 --> 00:45:01,980
that we've seen in the
history of humankind.
600
00:45:01,981 --> 00:45:06,980
It says, "Trying to enjoy the weekend
without fear of impending doom."
601
00:45:06,981 --> 00:45:09,412
This was in August of 2020,
602
00:45:09,482 --> 00:45:12,189
so this is still during the
height of the pandemic.
603
00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:15,941
I said, "Eat the rich
for real nom nom nom."
604
00:45:17,434 --> 00:45:20,524
And then Armie
reacted to my story.
605
00:45:20,525 --> 00:45:23,372
Slid right in, "100 percent."
606
00:45:23,441 --> 00:45:25,455
Which is ironic
because he comes from
607
00:45:25,524 --> 00:45:28,441
one of the wealthiest
families on the plant.
608
00:45:28,442 --> 00:45:33,233
He said, "Dibs on the glute
muscles and ribs for smoking."
609
00:45:33,234 --> 00:45:36,082
In light of everything
that's come out since,
610
00:45:38,374 --> 00:45:40,005
I don't find that funny.
611
00:45:40,735 --> 00:45:43,999
And him mirroring
my frustrations,
612
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:46,777
is a way from him to
say that he's just like me.
613
00:45:46,778 --> 00:45:48,547
It's a way to gain my trust.
614
00:45:48,548 --> 00:45:51,257
And it's a way for me
to let my guard down.
615
00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:55,042
I'm quite vocal on my Instagram
616
00:45:55,112 --> 00:45:58,446
about my background of
having grown up in foster care.
617
00:46:01,467 --> 00:46:04,069
I wouldn't be surprised if he
read those things and thought,
618
00:46:04,070 --> 00:46:06,571
"Oh, okay, she's vulnerable."
619
00:46:06,572 --> 00:46:09,278
We spoke about my
past history of abuse
620
00:46:09,279 --> 00:46:13,273
and he, um, very openly
confided about, you know,
621
00:46:13,342 --> 00:46:16,399
almost getting into a fistfight
with his father in the Islands.
622
00:46:18,274 --> 00:46:21,399
And his father, like,
drinking and taking, like,
623
00:46:21,469 --> 00:46:23,552
Vicodin at the same time.
624
00:46:23,553 --> 00:46:25,046
He painted a pretty
chaotic picture.
625
00:46:27,407 --> 00:46:30,948
But it wasn't coming from
a place of good intention.
626
00:46:30,949 --> 00:46:33,901
It was coming from
a place to manipulate
627
00:46:33,971 --> 00:46:37,720
and figure out what tools
that then he could use
628
00:46:37,721 --> 00:46:39,735
to keep you under control
629
00:46:39,805 --> 00:46:42,027
or use them against
you in the future.
630
00:46:44,631 --> 00:46:48,346
When I came forward about
my experiences with him,
631
00:46:48,347 --> 00:46:49,847
there was a lot of
online harassment.
632
00:46:51,368 --> 00:46:55,639
If you're just, like, some
troll, like, in a dark room,
633
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,138
just, like, spewing hate
towards other people who are
634
00:46:58,139 --> 00:47:00,153
actually doing shit
with their lives, like,
635
00:47:00,154 --> 00:47:03,245
you know, I'm not going to
let someone like that get to me.
636
00:47:06,370 --> 00:47:09,009
I went into this not
understanding the fandom
637
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:10,780
that was Call Me By Your Name.
638
00:47:12,412 --> 00:47:16,788
But, the charmies are essentially
superfans of Armie Hammer.
639
00:47:18,455 --> 00:47:20,329
The woman that
have come forward,
640
00:47:20,330 --> 00:47:22,830
uh, they target
in a very big way.
641
00:47:26,198 --> 00:47:27,657
Shame on them.
642
00:47:27,727 --> 00:47:30,537
If any of them would
like to show their faces,
643
00:47:30,539 --> 00:47:32,380
I would love to
know who you are.
644
00:47:33,908 --> 00:47:37,762
One of the hardest times
of my life was that news coming out.
645
00:47:39,915 --> 00:47:43,180
I started getting harassed
by his, like, die-hard fans.
646
00:47:49,222 --> 00:47:51,896
I mean, they really
hit you where it hurts.
647
00:47:53,389 --> 00:47:57,417
I mean, they have endless chat
rooms about, like, what to do to me.
648
00:47:57,418 --> 00:48:00,125
They would text my
personal cell phone number.
649
00:48:00,126 --> 00:48:03,979
They would send me
pictures of my high-rise
650
00:48:03,980 --> 00:48:05,785
apartment building
that I lived in.
651
00:48:05,786 --> 00:48:07,523
They would send
me death threats.
652
00:48:08,877 --> 00:48:10,751
I moved out of my apartment.
653
00:48:10,753 --> 00:48:14,537
I bought a house and
I put cameras all over.
654
00:48:15,787 --> 00:48:19,225
The charmies made my life hell.
655
00:48:20,476 --> 00:48:22,212
They want me to break so bad.
656
00:48:29,852 --> 00:48:31,588
Fear is the weapon
657
00:48:32,664 --> 00:48:38,707
that keeps victims
emotionally paralyzed.
658
00:48:38,777 --> 00:48:40,860
It's very hard.
659
00:48:42,006 --> 00:48:46,901
Because once the victim
enters that dangerous world
660
00:48:46,903 --> 00:48:48,500
of the court of public opinion,
661
00:48:49,818 --> 00:48:53,673
there is generally going
to be some backlash.
662
00:48:53,674 --> 00:48:57,944
But, they didn't expect how
ugly it could be out there.
663
00:49:06,002 --> 00:49:07,922
- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
664
00:49:07,947 --> 00:49:09,821
- Can I give you a hug?
- Yes. Absolutely.
665
00:49:09,822 --> 00:49:11,800
- How are you?
- I'm good. How are you?
666
00:49:11,801 --> 00:49:12,947
I'm okay.
667
00:49:18,503 --> 00:49:20,482
How are you handling everything?
668
00:49:21,733 --> 00:49:25,343
Um, it comes in waves, you know.
669
00:49:25,344 --> 00:49:30,031
I think I can say now that
I'm out of it, looking back.
670
00:49:30,032 --> 00:49:32,844
- Mmm-hmm.
- I'm a lot stronger than I was.
671
00:49:32,845 --> 00:49:36,943
And I've learned a lot
from what I experienced.
672
00:49:37,012 --> 00:49:41,631
And I've learned a lot about
how to avoid people like that.
673
00:49:41,699 --> 00:49:44,304
It's one of those things
where it just continues
674
00:49:44,305 --> 00:49:45,970
until someone breaks the cycle.
675
00:49:45,971 --> 00:49:50,763
And it's so important
for someone like you
676
00:49:50,764 --> 00:49:54,408
who's very intelligent,
very successful,
677
00:49:54,409 --> 00:49:57,674
to let people know it
can happen to anybody.
678
00:49:57,744 --> 00:49:59,132
It's so common.
679
00:49:59,133 --> 00:50:03,056
The way we grew up, it was
very secretive in a sense, right?
680
00:50:03,057 --> 00:50:06,390
And now, for me,
with social media, like,
681
00:50:06,391 --> 00:50:10,349
I can't even imagine when
I see someone like you,
682
00:50:10,350 --> 00:50:12,259
up against this dynasty
683
00:50:15,037 --> 00:50:19,934
that have gotten away
with this for so long.
684
00:50:22,885 --> 00:50:27,157
Before the internet, it
was difficult for women
685
00:50:27,227 --> 00:50:30,351
who were used and
abused to speak out.
686
00:50:30,352 --> 00:50:33,928
They felt silenced. And,
in fact, they were silenced.
687
00:50:35,561 --> 00:50:38,059
Now, with the
internet, many women
688
00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:43,372
refuse to suffer in
silence and speak out
689
00:50:43,373 --> 00:50:47,646
against those who have used,
abused and manipulated them.
690
00:50:48,896 --> 00:50:51,743
I hope that speaking out
about the abuse I endured
691
00:50:51,813 --> 00:50:53,306
at the hands of Armie Hammer
692
00:50:53,375 --> 00:50:55,769
is that he will be
held accountable.
693
00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:58,583
They want
their voices to be heard.
694
00:50:58,584 --> 00:51:02,161
For many of them, they
want to warn other women.
695
00:51:02,231 --> 00:51:05,286
They have the feeling
that they can't undo
696
00:51:05,356 --> 00:51:07,333
the wrong that was done to them,
697
00:51:07,334 --> 00:51:11,120
but maybe they can protect
someone else's daughter.
698
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:14,141
That's why they speak out.
699
00:51:14,211 --> 00:51:17,962
While I say that
these charmies were being horrible,
700
00:51:19,038 --> 00:51:22,649
I had thousands of
people message me.
701
00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:23,898
Like, women that were like,
702
00:51:23,899 --> 00:51:26,643
"I've had this exact
same thing happen."
703
00:51:28,379 --> 00:51:29,629
I mean, everybody was relating.
704
00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:33,727
It gives me chills because I
got the saddest, most real,
705
00:51:33,797 --> 00:51:36,503
vulnerable messages
of everyone being like,
706
00:51:36,504 --> 00:51:39,524
"I realize it's toxic.
I'm getting out."
707
00:51:39,526 --> 00:51:43,692
I was willing to open
up about it to help people
708
00:51:43,693 --> 00:51:46,089
avoid a situation like this.
709
00:51:46,090 --> 00:51:50,568
There was a thousand
messages that were, like,
710
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:52,445
"Okay, well, something
good came out of this."
711
00:51:55,570 --> 00:51:58,148
You want people to be able to
recognize these abusive patterns.
712
00:51:58,173 --> 00:52:02,028
I feel like, then it changes.
Like, you feel good doing it
713
00:52:02,029 --> 00:52:03,417
because you're doing
it for the right reasons
714
00:52:03,418 --> 00:52:05,918
and not because you're
bitter or you're sad.
715
00:52:05,988 --> 00:52:07,030
Absolutely.
716
00:52:09,009 --> 00:52:11,509
So much of what Courtney echoes
717
00:52:12,758 --> 00:52:15,468
is what I still continue
to struggle with.
718
00:52:16,302 --> 00:52:18,072
And mine was a long time ago.
719
00:52:20,051 --> 00:52:23,801
I was sent a letter
recently by my brother.
720
00:52:23,802 --> 00:52:25,504
And it says, "Dear Casey,
721
00:52:25,574 --> 00:52:28,942
although we haven't
spoken in many years,
722
00:52:29,011 --> 00:52:32,865
I heard the untrue
and hurtful things
723
00:52:32,866 --> 00:52:36,095
you've recently
said about our family.
724
00:52:36,096 --> 00:52:39,010
I can no longer remain quiet
725
00:52:39,012 --> 00:52:42,763
and allow you
to feed your thirst
726
00:52:43,701 --> 00:52:47,763
for notoriety at the
expense of our family
727
00:52:47,764 --> 00:52:50,819
and the Armand
Hammer Foundation.
728
00:52:51,965 --> 00:52:55,159
If you chose to
continue pretending
729
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,049
that the stories you have
invented are the truth,
730
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:03,598
I will have no choice
other than to pursue
731
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:07,973
every legal remedy to
set the record straight.
732
00:53:09,155 --> 00:53:13,947
Despite all the pain your
fabrications have caused,
733
00:53:14,017 --> 00:53:18,322
you share the blood
running through my veins.
734
00:53:19,330 --> 00:53:21,760
You are still my family
735
00:53:21,830 --> 00:53:24,641
and I wish you
nothing but the best.
736
00:53:24,642 --> 00:53:27,282
Very truly yours, Michael."
737
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:34,678
My brother thinks
he can silence me.
738
00:53:36,658 --> 00:53:39,748
The way my brother is
intimidating me right now
739
00:53:39,749 --> 00:53:41,518
through that letter
and those words,
740
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:43,707
it's exactly what my
grandfather would do.
741
00:53:45,513 --> 00:53:48,291
I've let the Hammers control me
742
00:53:49,645 --> 00:53:51,555
so much my whole life.
743
00:53:53,743 --> 00:53:55,827
It's time to stop.
744
00:53:56,834 --> 00:53:58,431
I refuse to be silenced.
57325
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