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And now, Rob McElhenney!
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Hello!
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Please welcome my wife,
the incomparable Kaitlin Olson.
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Remember that clip
that you showed earlier
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before the commercial,
where we were all in England,
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celebrating
what we thought was--
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- Yeah, a goal.
- You know, a goal.
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Um, can we play that,
just the last part again?
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Somebody needs to
explain the offside rule...
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Yeah.
To the A-listers.
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Oh.
Yeah? Oh, yeah.
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Oh, wow. The--
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There I am.
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I turn around to, you know,
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congratulate my husband,
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and you just go ahead and jump
right into the arms
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of Ryan Reynolds,
just aggressively.
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- Okay.
- You made a dec--
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you saw me,
and you turned,
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and you jumped
right into his arms.
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In fairness...
Yeah?
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Who wouldn't want to jump
into the arms of Ryan Reynolds?
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BUDDY HOLLY [singing]:
Every day
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It's a-getting closer
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Going faster
than a roller coaster
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Love like yours
will surely come my way
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A-hey, a-hey-hey
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Every day,
it's a-getting faster
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Everyone said,
"Go ahead and ask her"
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Love like yours
will surely come my way
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A-hey, a-hey-hey
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Love like yours
will surely come my way
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No.
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I did hear.
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Kind of don't even know
who he is.
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I'm supposed to know who he is,
but apparently,
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he's someone in a movie.
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I don't know if you
should say that in the mic.
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It's true.
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I don't know
who he is, either.
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- Who is he?
- But I'm sure he'll do well.
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- Do you know who he is?
- We wish him well,
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whoever he is.
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So when this whole thing
started, I said to Kaitlin,
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what do you think about me
seeing if Ryan
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would want to do this
with me, like, 50-50?
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And she said, "Do you think
your ego could handle
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sharing a screen
with Ryan Reynolds?"
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That--
that doesn't surprise me.
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He's not that well-known.
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Well, he's got Rob backing
him now, and Humphrey.
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So the guy'll go somewhere.
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You set up--
I gotta get in here.
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Haha. All right.
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All right, see you soon.
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I will, uh--
I will see you soon. Bye.
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So let's start
from the very beginning.
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Um, Ryan, I hear your
friendship actually started
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when Rob slid into your DMs.
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Do you want to spill the tea
on that one a little bit?
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No!
No, I slid into his DMs.
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Oh, you slid into his DMs?
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Oh, my God, yeah.
I mean--
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How quickly--
- Are you kidding me?
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How quickly the story changes.
I know.
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Okay, so Ryan, this is
what's called a soundstage.
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Really?
Yeah.
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And they don't use ceilings?
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They make movies,
they make TV.
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Well, there is a ceiling.
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I'd seen an episode
of his show
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that I found to be particularly
inspiring and beautiful.
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I slid into his DMs,
and I wrote,
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"Powder my bottom
and put me to bed."
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This is not actually a bar.
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Look at this.
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Yeah.
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Oh, wow. Yeah.
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He DM'd me back,
and then we kind of became,
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you know, digital friends--
Yeah.
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Which later turned into
real-life human friends.
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Platonic relationships
between men
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is a complicated subject.
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And Ryan and I had questions.
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So we went to the only
logical place for answers--
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a woman.
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Hi, my name is Liz Plank.
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And I am the author of
For the Love of Men:
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A Vision for
Mindful Masculinity.
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I'm a journalist.
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I'm a filmmaker,
a columnist, podcast.
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I noticed, in the first episode
of the show,
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Rob said that he went to Ryan
for "movie money."
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Also felt like an excuse
to actually
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probably be friends with Ryan
and spend time with Ryan.
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- You're, like, dating?
- I don't know.
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I'm definitely gonna swoon.
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So you gotta--you gotta
stay wide for that shot.
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'Cause if you see my eyes,
I'm gonna be, like, floating.
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He's probably gonna pick me up
like a child.
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And cradle me.
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There's also the weird
phenomenon, that is true,
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that if you see--if you
watch somebody long enough
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over an extended period
of time,
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you start to feel like
you know them anyway.
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So even before we connected,
you know,
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you get a sense that
you kind of know that person,
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even though you don't.
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We became pretty close,
pretty fast.
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- The Rookie.
- Okay.
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- Dennis Quaid.
- Whoa, look--
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Like, a 40-year-old pitcher
in the major--
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Can we just address the--
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can we address the mustache
in the room?
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I've heard a lot of people
refer to our relationship
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as a bromance.
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I find that fascinating.
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The definition of the word
bromance is just--
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it's a platonic relationship
between two men.
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There's no female equivalent
to the term bromance.
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The female equivalent
is friends.
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And so the fact that we need
a term to describe two men
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going out to dinner, I think,
is very revealing
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about what men are allowed
or are not allowed to do,
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and how much
self-policing there is
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when it comes to their
relationships with other men.
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It's so funny,
and so indicative
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of where we are
as a culture now,
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that we have to use cute terms
to define
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an intimate relationship
between two men.
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I don't know why.
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I think maybe it's because
it's easier for us
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to talk about it
by making it sound
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a little bit more juvenile,
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or just cute and funny.
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So bromance is almost
this permission
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for men to connect,
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and to show love to each other.
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Because it's like--
it's like a joke.
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I've been waiting for
the right, peaceful moment
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to ask you,
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do you harbor any anger
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and/or resentment towards me
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for asking you to do this?
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My wife wants
to kill you, Rob.
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Yeah.
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Men prove their manhood
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by ascribing
to the definition of masculinity
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that they've been told
they need to aspire to,
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which is, you know, domination, aggression,
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winning at all costs.
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- This is what men do!
- Yeah!
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- This is men stuff!
- Yeah!
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Traditionally,
men have liked to get together
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with groups of other men
and do stuff,
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whether that be
go to football matches,
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play football, play golf,
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drink, uh,
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hang out, talk,
shoot the shit,
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rove in gangs,
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beat the living shit
out of each other,
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compete with one another.
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Look at my heel.
- Right?
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- You have a heel, too!
- Yeah, I--I wear--
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And I wore...
- This is great.
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Three-inch lifts just
to really hammer home--
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George said to establish
dominance right away.
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I know,
but it's not happening.
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- No, I know, not at all.
- Yes!
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And I'm very thin
compared to these guns.
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- Yeah, look at this. Yeah.
- Good Lord.
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I read somewhere
that lifting weights
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increases height.
- True.
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Give me some more gum
for Dennis.
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- No, I don't trust you.
- Why not?
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'Cause you're just gonna
put it in your mouth
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and eat it again.
- I won't. I promise.
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Hmm, his neck is high.
It makes me trust him.
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Good posture, bro. Okay.
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- Come on.
- All right, I trust you.
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- How are you?
- What's your name?
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- Good, how are you?
- James.
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I just find it really funny
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just watching men,
like, greet each other.
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I feel like I have
secondhand stress
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about seeing two men sometimes
greet each other.
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Because sometimes it's like
a straight-up handshake.
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Sometimes,
it's the handshake, but like,
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kind of the clap,
and then they, like,
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still kind of touch.
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Sometimes,
it's the handshake
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followed by the hug,
tap, tap.
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And then it keeps going
while they're talking,
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but sometimes they pull out.
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There's--
there's the fist bump,
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obviously, as well.
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I feel confused,
and I feel stressed
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seeing men
trying to greet each other.
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It's very weird.
Like, I'm a hugger.
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But like, some guys will throw
in the--
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they need the hand--
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Oh, with the hug?
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The hand with the
hug because you can't just--
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You can't touch hearts.
For the hug.
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Okay, yes. Okay.
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That's too intimate.
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Too intimate.
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You gotta keep something
in between the bodies.
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And then one day,
you'll graduate
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to just your hearts touching.
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Sports becomes this safe space
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for men to love each other,
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and to relate to each other,
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not just, you know, emotionally,
but also physically.
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Like, I just find it fascinating
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watching, you know,
men on a football field
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touching each other,
and being very affectionate,
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being very physically close
with each other--
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even, like,
slapping each other's butts.
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When can men slap
each other's butts
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except when they're on
a football field?
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Do men get close
with each other
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because they love sports?
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Or do men do sports because
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they want to be close
to each other?
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I've watched you become
a massive sports fan,
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which I don't think
you were before.
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I wasn't.
I mean, I've always--
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I always played sports.
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I loved playing sports.
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But the idea or the thought
of this
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never, never was on
my vision board.
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Part of the fun
isn't just getting
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to hang out with each other,
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or having a football team together.
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It's also talking about things
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that can be, uh, uncomfortable.
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We filmed our colonoscopies
together, for God's sake.
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It's the first time
you've had a colonoscopy.
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- Yeah.
- And--
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We're fucking filming it.
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You're filming it--
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Which is, like,
also just awful.
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Can't believe you pumped all
that Aviation Gin into my IV.
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I was out like a light.
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They didn't find Rosebud
up there?
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I figure I can't go wrong
in terms of
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comparing myself to Ryan.
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They either find nothing,
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and that means my colon
was cleaner than his.
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Or they find a polyp.
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All set.
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And it's either
bigger than his,
254
00:10:22,317 --> 00:10:24,275
which is awesome,
255
00:10:24,406 --> 00:10:26,060
or it's smaller than his,
256
00:10:26,147 --> 00:10:29,063
which means I had less of
an opportunity to have cancer.
257
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Either way, I win.
258
00:10:30,586 --> 00:10:32,283
You can just relax.
259
00:10:34,808 --> 00:10:36,374
How was it before?
260
00:10:36,548 --> 00:10:37,724
It was good.
261
00:10:37,898 --> 00:10:40,596
The last one was 113 over 48.
262
00:10:43,294 --> 00:10:45,079
Is it better than Ryan's?
263
00:10:45,166 --> 00:10:47,734
Yeah.
264
00:10:47,821 --> 00:10:50,214
We're back here with
Ryan Reynolds and the other guy.
265
00:10:53,827 --> 00:10:57,482
I think we both have enormous
respect for each other,
266
00:10:57,613 --> 00:10:59,876
which is what I think
is the backbone
267
00:10:59,963 --> 00:11:01,617
to any healthy relationship.
268
00:11:01,748 --> 00:11:04,141
Any endeavor
at this point in my life
269
00:11:04,272 --> 00:11:07,536
is an opportunity to continue
to forge new relationships.
270
00:11:07,623 --> 00:11:09,973
So it was really special,
271
00:11:10,147 --> 00:11:11,888
and has been really special
to me,
272
00:11:11,975 --> 00:11:13,411
my relationship with him.
273
00:11:13,542 --> 00:11:16,066
In many ways, sports becomes
this performance for men
274
00:11:16,197 --> 00:11:19,504
to really be that ideal
of masculinity
275
00:11:19,635 --> 00:11:21,637
that they're told to aspire to.
276
00:11:21,768 --> 00:11:23,987
And, you know,
maybe Rob and Ryan--
277
00:11:24,118 --> 00:11:25,641
I mean, they're performers.
278
00:11:25,815 --> 00:11:28,557
And so, they're still out there,
maybe some way,
279
00:11:28,644 --> 00:11:31,125
performing maybe not
for their dads,
280
00:11:31,212 --> 00:11:32,648
but for each other.
281
00:11:32,822 --> 00:11:34,781
That's why Rob is
a fuck-face clown.
282
00:11:34,911 --> 00:11:35,912
He's just--
Aw, man.
283
00:11:35,999 --> 00:11:37,218
Oh, Jesus. Rob--
284
00:11:37,392 --> 00:11:38,219
oh, hi, Mr. Chairman.
285
00:11:38,393 --> 00:11:39,437
How are you?
286
00:11:39,611 --> 00:11:40,656
How are you?
You look nice.
287
00:11:40,830 --> 00:11:42,005
I'm sorry about
interrupting you.
288
00:11:42,136 --> 00:11:43,790
I'm covered in microphones--
289
00:11:43,877 --> 00:11:44,791
- It's good to see--hi.
- So I can't stand up.
290
00:11:44,965 --> 00:11:46,140
- Well, hello.
- Hi.
291
00:11:46,227 --> 00:11:47,315
You guys are in the middle
of your thing?
292
00:11:47,445 --> 00:11:49,447
God, you're handsome. Um...
293
00:11:49,621 --> 00:11:51,101
All right.
- Yeah, did you get that?
294
00:11:51,232 --> 00:11:52,581
Last question.
- Come here.
295
00:11:52,668 --> 00:11:55,192
Are we concerned about Ryan
being overexposed?
296
00:11:55,323 --> 00:11:56,454
I think that's a fair--
- I'm plenty overexposed.
297
00:11:56,628 --> 00:11:58,021
- I think that's fair.
- Come on.
298
00:11:58,195 --> 00:11:59,240
Where?
You want to go in here?
299
00:11:59,370 --> 00:12:00,458
There you go.
Yeah, that's good.
300
00:12:00,589 --> 00:12:01,372
Now, I feel like
we're really close.
301
00:12:25,483 --> 00:12:27,355
I can make a cup of tea.
302
00:12:27,485 --> 00:12:29,139
I make the best
cup of tea here.
303
00:12:29,270 --> 00:12:30,488
Why do you think
they got me on here?
304
00:12:33,143 --> 00:12:34,579
Chal doesn't have sugar.
305
00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:36,756
You got to have sugar, though.
306
00:12:36,843 --> 00:12:39,280
Tea's not the same
without sugar.
307
00:12:39,454 --> 00:12:41,935
Hey, you deserve
a cuppa, Chal.
308
00:12:42,065 --> 00:12:43,066
See?
309
00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:44,633
There is something that--
310
00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,375
I see you've got
some Yorkshire bags in.
311
00:12:47,505 --> 00:12:48,855
Where's the milk?
312
00:12:49,029 --> 00:12:50,291
What?
- Where's the milk?
313
00:12:50,421 --> 00:12:51,509
It's in there.
314
00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:52,206
You said you don't like
too much milk.
315
00:12:52,336 --> 00:12:53,947
Eh?
316
00:12:54,121 --> 00:12:54,643
Oh, no, you like a little
more milk, don't you?
317
00:12:54,817 --> 00:12:55,862
Yeah.
318
00:12:55,992 --> 00:12:57,298
Well, go and have more then, Chal.
319
00:12:57,472 --> 00:12:59,387
if you're gonna be ungrateful.
I'll put these away.
320
00:12:59,517 --> 00:13:01,868
This is the life skills you
need to learn, innit, Harry?
321
00:13:01,955 --> 00:13:03,565
A cup of tea's one of the
most important things.
322
00:13:03,652 --> 00:13:05,523
It is, Chal.
323
00:13:05,654 --> 00:13:07,308
More milky next time.
324
00:13:07,482 --> 00:13:08,004
I got you.
325
00:13:10,180 --> 00:13:12,530
It's the worst cup of tea
I've had all day, Harry.
326
00:13:12,661 --> 00:13:13,880
Don't put me down
like that, Chal...
327
00:13:19,189 --> 00:13:22,758
Well, my earliest memory
of being a fan is
328
00:13:22,889 --> 00:13:24,760
since I could talk,
since I could kick a ball,
329
00:13:24,934 --> 00:13:27,110
since I've come out the womb,
I just love Wrexham.
330
00:13:27,284 --> 00:13:30,113
My room is full of
Wrexham stuff, to be honest.
331
00:13:30,244 --> 00:13:32,768
Being a football fan or
Wrexham fan, it's just--
332
00:13:32,899 --> 00:13:35,205
it's just run
through your family,
333
00:13:35,379 --> 00:13:38,339
and my dad, obviously,
and my granddad on my side.
334
00:13:38,469 --> 00:13:40,558
And they've just always
been a Wrexham fan,
335
00:13:40,732 --> 00:13:42,256
and it's just run to me, now.
336
00:13:42,343 --> 00:13:44,693
So hopefully, when I have kids,
they'll be Wrexham fans.
337
00:13:44,867 --> 00:13:46,564
'Cause I don't think
it'll ever,
338
00:13:46,695 --> 00:13:49,916
ever stop, my racecourse.
339
00:13:50,090 --> 00:13:52,570
I think that boys grow up thinking,
340
00:13:52,744 --> 00:13:54,355
"This is how I need to,
341
00:13:54,485 --> 00:13:56,574
you know,
get my dad's approval."
342
00:13:56,705 --> 00:14:00,361
Because their dads, that's how
they got their dad's approval.
343
00:14:00,491 --> 00:14:02,493
And it's kind of
just passed down.
344
00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:03,799
Not necessarily questioned.
345
00:14:03,930 --> 00:14:06,236
I played football
for nine years.
346
00:14:06,367 --> 00:14:07,716
I played rugby,
I played baseball,
347
00:14:07,803 --> 00:14:11,154
and I played soccer,
as we call it.
348
00:14:11,241 --> 00:14:14,505
And that was my kind of version
of validation at that age,
349
00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,072
and--you know?
350
00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:18,945
Yeah, he really, like,
valued that, you know?
351
00:14:19,032 --> 00:14:20,947
One of the really interesting
things that happened
352
00:14:21,121 --> 00:14:22,949
in the pandemic
is that there was
353
00:14:23,036 --> 00:14:24,385
this incredible
social experiment
354
00:14:24,515 --> 00:14:27,344
where sports basically,
like, went away.
355
00:14:27,475 --> 00:14:31,479
So one of the things I just
started asking men around me--
356
00:14:31,609 --> 00:14:34,090
you know, I would say, what do
you miss the most about sports?
357
00:14:34,177 --> 00:14:38,529
And the first guy I asked
had a tear go down--
358
00:14:38,616 --> 00:14:40,488
like, just literally
go down his face.
359
00:14:40,618 --> 00:14:42,925
And he said,
"Talking about it with my dad."
360
00:14:43,056 --> 00:14:45,972
And I used to go with my dad
and my brother to games.
361
00:14:46,102 --> 00:14:48,757
And in general,
it was a family thing.
362
00:14:48,931 --> 00:14:50,628
Growing up with--
me and my dad,
363
00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:52,630
he took me from an early age.
364
00:14:52,804 --> 00:14:55,198
And it's something
that's in the blood.
365
00:14:55,329 --> 00:14:57,984
So what they miss the most
about sports wasn't--
366
00:14:58,071 --> 00:15:00,203
didn't actually have anything
to do with sports.
367
00:15:00,290 --> 00:15:04,860
It was about the relationships
that they were able to have
368
00:15:04,991 --> 00:15:07,080
when they were watching
sports together.
369
00:15:07,210 --> 00:15:08,733
I was a real youngster.
370
00:15:08,864 --> 00:15:10,213
Me dad used to take me
over to Liverpool years ago
371
00:15:10,387 --> 00:15:11,867
to watch the games.
372
00:15:11,998 --> 00:15:14,304
And actually,
once I moved to Wrexham,
373
00:15:14,435 --> 00:15:16,306
I just started attending
Wrexham games straight away.
374
00:15:16,437 --> 00:15:18,526
Yeah, I just started watching
Wrexham and loved it.
375
00:15:18,656 --> 00:15:20,006
Just fell in love with it.
376
00:15:20,180 --> 00:15:22,182
From when I could
first kick a ball,
377
00:15:22,312 --> 00:15:25,228
my dad always had the belief
that I was good.
378
00:15:25,402 --> 00:15:26,664
He could see that I was good.
379
00:15:26,838 --> 00:15:29,015
And I can only appreciate
that because
380
00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:31,104
what I used to get
from him watching
381
00:15:31,234 --> 00:15:33,584
and his feedback would drive me
on even more.
382
00:15:33,671 --> 00:15:37,110
For a lot of boys who grew up
being told that sports was
383
00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,025
where they could really
prove themselves
384
00:15:39,199 --> 00:15:41,114
and have a relationship
with their father,
385
00:15:41,288 --> 00:15:43,333
or have a relationship
with other boys,
386
00:15:43,464 --> 00:15:46,684
they can grow up into
adulthood repeating that,
387
00:15:46,858 --> 00:15:50,384
where sports becomes the way
to earn that connection
388
00:15:50,514 --> 00:15:52,342
with other men.
389
00:15:52,473 --> 00:15:55,563
And maybe with our culture,
or with society at large, too.
390
00:15:55,693 --> 00:15:56,738
Time to see if I still got it.
391
00:15:56,825 --> 00:15:58,479
Aye.
392
00:15:58,653 --> 00:16:02,396
It's so nice that he still
wants to take his dad
393
00:16:02,483 --> 00:16:04,702
out for a pint, you know,
and take him to the match,
394
00:16:04,833 --> 00:16:06,835
and look after me, and--
395
00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:09,707
you know, with his mates.
396
00:16:09,838 --> 00:16:13,711
I'm part of a--
the crowd, if you want.
397
00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:16,149
And that's what makes me
so happy, you know?
398
00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:18,281
I can't ask for
anything more than that.
399
00:16:18,412 --> 00:16:21,371
Boys day out.
Three generations here.
400
00:16:21,502 --> 00:16:22,807
Same as when
we go to the match,
401
00:16:22,938 --> 00:16:24,200
and we've got three
generations here.
402
00:16:24,287 --> 00:16:25,506
You just pass it down,
don't you?
403
00:16:25,636 --> 00:16:26,637
Like, you got it from Granddad.
404
00:16:26,811 --> 00:16:28,248
I got it from you.
405
00:16:28,378 --> 00:16:29,727
It's just--
and I give it to these boys.
406
00:16:29,901 --> 00:16:31,512
It's in our DNA now innit, eh?
407
00:16:31,686 --> 00:16:33,731
In our Winter DNA, lad?
Muah.
408
00:16:33,862 --> 00:16:34,950
It certainly is.
409
00:16:35,081 --> 00:16:36,169
- That's right, it bloody is.
- Yeah?
410
00:16:51,184 --> 00:16:52,185
I'm not ready for it
though, Chal.
411
00:16:52,315 --> 00:16:54,230
I told you,
bit immature inside.
412
00:16:54,317 --> 00:16:56,363
I can't even cook an egg.
413
00:16:58,408 --> 00:17:00,541
So this is when
you're on a date,
414
00:17:00,715 --> 00:17:03,196
when you have the first
sleepover, can make--
415
00:17:03,370 --> 00:17:05,067
you can make her an egg
in the morning.
416
00:17:05,198 --> 00:17:06,460
Yeah, why don't you
chuck that one in?
417
00:17:09,898 --> 00:17:11,856
You fucking idiot.
418
00:17:11,987 --> 00:17:14,424
Let's--we have
a really star candidate.
419
00:17:14,555 --> 00:17:17,123
What, so don't do it
too hard this time, yeah?
420
00:17:17,253 --> 00:17:18,820
Take your time
cracking the egg.
421
00:17:21,127 --> 00:17:22,563
- Man City.
- Yeah.
422
00:17:22,693 --> 00:17:24,130
When I was in grade school,
423
00:17:24,217 --> 00:17:25,479
my dad and I would just
come home
424
00:17:25,566 --> 00:17:26,828
and we'd play basketball.
425
00:17:26,915 --> 00:17:29,265
And I would try to win.
426
00:17:29,352 --> 00:17:31,572
And I wouldn't let him
427
00:17:31,702 --> 00:17:32,921
let me win.
428
00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:34,662
In some ways,
what is the point
429
00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:36,142
if there's no competition?
430
00:17:36,229 --> 00:17:37,708
Because that's what's
sort of driving us
431
00:17:37,882 --> 00:17:39,928
all forward instinctually.
432
00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:41,234
Goal!
433
00:17:41,364 --> 00:17:43,105
And then it's only
in reflection
434
00:17:43,236 --> 00:17:45,455
where you realize, like,
oh, right,
435
00:17:45,586 --> 00:17:46,848
I--who the fuck cares?
436
00:17:46,935 --> 00:17:48,806
I do not understand offsides.
437
00:17:48,937 --> 00:17:50,243
Like, offsides is, like, here.
438
00:17:50,373 --> 00:17:51,592
But then it's also there.
439
00:17:51,766 --> 00:17:53,463
But when you get a penalty--
440
00:17:53,637 --> 00:17:54,160
It's come down
to the final 20 minutes here.
441
00:17:54,334 --> 00:17:55,813
- Yes?
- It's not a goal?
442
00:17:55,944 --> 00:17:57,250
Yes, it doesn't
make any sense.
443
00:17:57,380 --> 00:17:59,295
I don't remember
any specific game.
444
00:17:59,382 --> 00:18:01,297
I just remember--
445
00:18:04,692 --> 00:18:06,737
I just remember
playing with my dad,
446
00:18:06,911 --> 00:18:08,174
you know?
447
00:18:15,616 --> 00:18:18,967
CAT STEVENS [singing:
It's not time to make a change
448
00:18:19,098 --> 00:18:22,753
Just relax, take it easy
449
00:18:22,927 --> 00:18:24,712
You're still young
450
00:18:24,842 --> 00:18:26,627
That's your fault
451
00:18:26,801 --> 00:18:29,978
There's so much you have to know
452
00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:33,764
Find a girl, settle down
453
00:18:33,851 --> 00:18:37,290
If you want, you can marry
454
00:18:37,420 --> 00:18:39,335
Look at me
455
00:18:39,422 --> 00:18:44,427
I am old, but I'm happy
456
00:18:44,601 --> 00:18:47,996
I was once like you are now
457
00:18:48,127 --> 00:18:51,565
And I know that it's not easy
458
00:18:51,739 --> 00:18:53,871
To be calm
459
00:18:54,002 --> 00:18:58,876
When you've found
something going on
460
00:18:59,007 --> 00:19:02,228
But take your time,
think a lot
461
00:19:02,315 --> 00:19:05,361
Why, think of everything
you've got
462
00:19:05,448 --> 00:19:09,670
For you will still
be here tomorrow
463
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,108
But your dreams may not
464
00:19:20,246 --> 00:19:23,249
If he's calling me his son
and, you know,
465
00:19:23,423 --> 00:19:25,033
taking me by his wing
like he is,
466
00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:26,165
and showing me
like he is, yeah,
467
00:19:26,252 --> 00:19:27,775
I'd say he does feel like--
468
00:19:27,905 --> 00:19:29,168
he does feel like
a father figure, in a way.
469
00:19:32,214 --> 00:19:33,607
Genius.
- You're a master?
470
00:19:33,694 --> 00:19:34,999
Mm.
471
00:19:35,130 --> 00:19:36,566
You've got to have
plenty of role models
472
00:19:36,697 --> 00:19:38,351
in your life to become
who you are, haven't you?
473
00:19:38,481 --> 00:19:41,615
And...
474
00:19:41,702 --> 00:19:43,312
Yeah.
475
00:19:46,054 --> 00:19:52,756
CAT STEVENS [singing]:
I know I have to go
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