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This programme contains scenes which
some viewers may find upsetting
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Hi, Jeanette. It's Mina here.
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Sorry to phone so early.
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THEY LAUGH
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Nikki and Bibaa have gone missing
for over 24 hours.
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We've let the police know, but we're
really getting concerned.
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As a priest, I have walked alongside
people who have lost those
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that they love and I haven't had
the answers.
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You know, there are some priests
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who have walked away from
their faith.
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No-one wants to outlive their
children.
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It's horrendous.
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Two years ago,
on Friday the 5th June,
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sisters Bibaa and Nicole were
celebrating Bibaa's birthday
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in a park in North London...
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..when they disappeared.
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The police were called the next day,
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but they didn't send anyone
to the park.
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By Sunday, family and friends
mounted their own search
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and found the bodies of both Bibaa
and Nikki.
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They had been brutally murdered.
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But the first most people heard
of this tragic story
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was 18 days later, when it came out
that two policemen had been arrested
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for taking and distributing
selfies of the women's bodies.
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The girls' mum, Mina Smallman,
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has asked me to help her tell
the story of what's happened
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since that horrendous night.
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Today, exactly a year on
from the murder,
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it would have been Bibaa's birthday.
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Mina has just texted saying,
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"Happy birthday, Bibaa. 47 today.
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"We love you and miss you
every day."
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I have absolutely no idea how
Mina will be feeling today.
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It's such a significant day, it's...
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..the anniversary of the
girls' death coming up,
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and today it's Bibaa's birthday
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and the first birthday
that she's not here.
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It's an unbelievable situation that
Mina and Chris find themselves in.
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Hello!
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Hello, you.
Hello. Lovely to see you.
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Mina lives in Ramsgate on the
east coast with her husband, Chris.
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These are for Bibaa. Ah!
Got her flowers. Thank you.
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Chris is Nikki's dad and was also
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very close to Mina's other
daughters, Monique,
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who lives in Holland, and Bibaa.
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This photo's stunning.
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You look incredible, Chris.
Thank you very much.
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Your Monique, Bibaa.
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There she is. Mina and Nicole.
Yeah, yeah.
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Nicole's the baby. Yeah, yeah.
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She would have been 27
this year, yeah, in August.
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But they got on really well,
even though...sort of big age gap.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, really close,
all three of them, yeah.
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Bibaa was always the party animal
out of the three.
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She was always very bubbly and she
had a really close relationship,
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particularly with Nicole cos
Nicole was the baby. Yes. So...
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And tell me a bit about Nicole.
You know, what was your Nicole like?
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She should have been born in
the '60s. She was a hippie.
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That's... And her boyfriend, Adam,
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the two of them were hippies,
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they loved animals,
she's mad on animals.
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And I said, "Do you know what,
I could just see you and Adam
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"living on a barge with four dogs
playing music, you know."
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Like Noah's Ark. Yeah, absolutely.
STACEY CHUCKLES
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Nikki was an artist and was just 26
when she was killed.
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Her big sister, Bibaa, was a
social worker, specialising
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in child protection.
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She was 46, a mother and about to
become a grandmother.
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This is the first time she hasn't
been here for her birthday. Yeah.
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Mm. Well, there's like a hole,
isn't there? Something missing.
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The only way I can cope with it is
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that I am only partially engaged
with the reality of it.
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I think that's a good way of
putting it across. Yeah.
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Almost like it's not really
happened, trying to, you know,
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like half reality you said. Yeah.
Erm...
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But it hits you at different times.
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That's grief, isn't it? Yeah.
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It's not linear,
it's not predictable.
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In 2013, Mina became the first woman
of colour to become an archdeacon.
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But in the year just gone,
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her faith has been tested as never
before.
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With the trials of both the man
accused of killing her daughters
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and the two Met police officers
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who shared photos of their bodies
coming up,
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the next few months are
going to be tough.
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Today, at the end of this day,
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is the point at which they died.
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And it could be that tonight
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I have one of my meltdowns,
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which are very necessary.
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I mean, talk me through what
that looks and feels like.
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It's like a dam. It's like...
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I can't...I can't do this any more.
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Something snaps...
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..and when it snaps, um...
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..to be honest with you...
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..I actually want to join my girls.
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I don't want to be here,
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and it's only because the girls have
gone
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and I know the pain it has caused
to lose someone you love...
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..I couldn't...
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..I couldn't do it to Chris.
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And Monique.
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But, um, having a faith...
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Shall we stop there for a minute,
maybe? No, it's fine. It's fine.
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But that's what a meltdown
feels like.
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It feels like everything in your
soul and being
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is, um... You don't want to be here.
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But I need to do this, um,
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because I've spent a lifetime
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fighting for boys and girls,
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and I did it for them,
now I'm doing it for my girls.
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You're under arrest. Come out,
come out of the address.
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Keep walking towards me.
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Within a month of the murders,
a 19-year-old man was arrested.
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His DNA had been found at the scene.
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Hands on your head.
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It's now the day before his trial
begins at the Old Bailey.
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Chris and Mina are going to stay
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with friends in London during the
week.
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We've got to get ready for the
trial over the next four weeks.
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Do you want to put your shoes on?
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I've still got to get my shaver.
All right.
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The packing. It all becomes part of
a worry
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on top of the worry, you know.
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What...what's going to happen,
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how it's going to happen,
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and it's the only thing I can
control, really, it's, um...
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I can control this bit,
I can't control what comes next.
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I think what we are dreading
the most
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is the day when they go through
the details of how they died.
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That's...that's what
I find difficult.
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The case has taken 11 months
to come to trial.
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Over the next few weeks, Mina and
Chris are going to hear every detail
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of what happened that weekend
in June 2020,
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as Britain was just coming out of
the first Covid lockdown.
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As the weather threatens, I think,
to take a turn for the worse,
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some of you maybe tempted to move
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the gatherings you've been
enjoying outdoors, indoors.
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I really urge you, don't do that.
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Because of lockdown, you weren't
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allowed to meet inside at that
point,
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so Bibaa had the idea of having
a picnic.
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She only chose friends who could
get there and didn't have
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to go by transport or anything.
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They were so happy together,
you know, sort of skipping
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into the into the park, all excited,
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carrying all the possessions
for the party.
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I was really pleased that they could
have time together.
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The party in Fryent Country Park,
near Bibaa's home,
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started just before dusk.
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Bibaa liked the sunset. She wanted
all her friends to see the sunset
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on her birthday,
how beautiful it is.
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Bibaa asked her friends to bring
blankets, lights, food and drink.
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When we were down the bottom, we
couldn't quite see where they were,
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so we phoned, to find out where
they were,
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and she was waving the lights from
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at the top of the hill so we
could see.
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With Covid rules still in place,
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only Bibaa's closest friends
could come.
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Yeah, she was enjoying it, with the
lights, wrapping it round her body,
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taking pictures. Yeah, she was
enjoying herself. And her sister.
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We were just sitting there
and we were drinking
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and she was laughing and joking
and singing and partying.
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By midnight everyone else had gone
home, but the sisters stayed on.
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Nikki's boyfriend, Adam,
wasn't there for the party,
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but Nikki WhatsApped him through
the evening.
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Adam said, last message I got was,
you know,
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"1:30, I'm dancing in a field.
Going home soon."
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You can see they were just
having a wonderful time.
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The following morning,
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I sent a text out and left a message
with the girls
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and said, "I hope you had a lovely
time, tell me all about it later."
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Adam was also trying to reach Nikki.
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Adam tried to contact Nikki
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because she was meant to message him
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when she was back, as we do
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to our other halves, and, of course,
he'd not heard.
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You used to love strawberries.
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# Why won't eat a
strawberry for me? #
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Nicole has a bearded dragon
that's like her baby,
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so when she doesn't tell you what
to do with him,
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to feed him or change his heat
lamp, then you know that something's
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not right, so Emma messaged me,
being like,
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"What's going on? Have you heard
from her?" And I hadn't.
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And then I think Adam messaged me,
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wondering if I had heard from her,
and then,
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yeah, the Saturday evening was
really stressful.
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I thought, at that point,
it's not normal behaviour,
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so I phoned the police,
and I explained the situation,
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I explained where the girls went
missing from.
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I explained how long they'd
been missing, and there seemed
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to be no sense of urgency.
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There was no follow-up.
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I was sending texts throughout
Saturday night,
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I couldn't sleep and phoning them
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and not getting any reply.
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And that's when we knew,
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on the Sunday morning,
we had to do something.
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Hi, Jeanette. It's Mina here.
Sorry to phone so early.
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I phoned my good friend, Jeanette,
and her husband is ex-CID.
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Nikki and Bibaa have gone missing
for over 24 hours.
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We've let the police know,
but we're really getting concerned.
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I could hear, in her voice,
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I could tell that she was
really worried.
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This has gone from zero to sort of
100 on the risk factor for me.
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I was saying to Chris on the phone,
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"Chris, you've got to get on
the road."
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With Chris on his way to London
and no sign of police,
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friends put a missing poster up
on Facebook.
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They called local hospitals
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and then started their own search
of the park.
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Nobody was going to the park
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to go and look for them,
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but we knew where we'd left them
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so we were going to go back.
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One of Bibaa's friends who'd been
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with them contacted Adam on
the mobile and met up
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so that she could show them where
they'd all been sitting.
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I remember searching,
I just went to the police,
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and then I was looking around
by myself in a massive field.
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So I went for a walk and then,
suddenly, there's this knife there.
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By the minute, things were looking
worse and worse all the time.
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It was like, oh, they found the
glasses and then it went on to...
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..I found a knife,
and at your point,
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you just said, "Right, stop.
Stop there."
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After finding a knife,
and still no sign of police,
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Adam kept looking.
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He ran over to look at some
nearby bushes, up the hill
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and he worked his way down.
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And I was still looking,
Jill was still looking.
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And then there was this
horrible, guttural scream.
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Thought, "Gosh, what's that?"
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And then it went again. Yeah, yeah.
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And I thought, "That's not Adam."
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And then it went again
and it's like...
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It takes a few seconds to...
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..it's like the floor drops away,
you know,
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cos I thought, "That is Adam."
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And he just said, "Don't panic, Mum,
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"don't panic, but they've gone."
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And then, uh, we just, you know,
held on to each other.
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Adam called the police again
and then phoned Mina.
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Adam said, "Mina...Mina, I need you
to sit down.
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"We've found them,
but they're gone."
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After I got through the screaming,
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I then thought, "Oh, my goodness,
Chris is on his way to the park,"
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so I phone him up, I said,
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"Chris they've found them
and they're gone."
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And all he said was, "Effin' 'ell."
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And just cried on the phone.
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A week into the murder trial
at the Old Bailey,
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Mina and Chris have been hearing the
details of what the police found
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when they searched the
suspect's room.
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REPORTER: Police discovered
a satanic plan
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in a note in his bedroom.
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It was a deal with a demon from hell
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and it was signed in his own blood.
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He wrote that he was prepared
to perform a minimum of
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six sacrifices every six months.
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And sacrifice only women.
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And he was clear what he wanted in
return...
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..win the Mega Millions
Super Jackpot.
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He began buying lottery tickets.
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We know now that in his warped mind,
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he had some kind of a deal
with the devil.
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How on earth do you prepare
yourself for this?
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Yeah, there's no preparation.
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The more you read, you know, the
detail of the little notes he wrote
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and he had them in his bedroom,
the lottery ticket,
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I thought it sounded like he
had been watching one of these
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nasty videos, you know,
like some sort of horror film.
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Physically and emotionally,
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I didn't think I'd make it
to this point,
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but I was determined to be here.
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I think we know where it's going at
the moment.
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I don't feel worried about anything,
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other than what I've already been
worrying about anyway.
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And I'm thinking about it all the
time,
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every time I get up and go
to bed and whatever, um...
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Is it all-consuming?
Yes, it is all-consuming, yeah.
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It's all you think about.
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Your faith, I mean,
has that sustained you?
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My friend had prayed for me.
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Um, and when they said
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he had made a pact
with the demon, the devil,
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suddenly, I just felt this peace
just descend on me.
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I just felt full of the Holy Spirit.
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I thought, "This is it.
This is my territory."
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You know, "I understand this.
I'm the light, he's the darkness."
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And I felt, "I can do this."
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Since her girls first went missing,
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Mina's faith has been a
constant source of strength.
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She has invited me to join her
and Chris at Canterbury Cathedral,
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a place sacred to her.
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The place of prayer in the
cathedral.
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I'm going to light one for both of
the girls.
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Of course. I'll do Bibaa.
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Chris, would you like to do
one for Nicole?
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Place it... Yeah, great.
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Let's pray together in this quiet
space.
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God, our Father, we give thanks
as we remember Nicole and Bibaa,
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give thanks for them,
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and surround them with love.
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We remember all who suffer violence.
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And pray for them within the
name of our Lord, Jesus Christ,
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who offered Himself for us,
as a sign of your care.
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How was that?
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That was amazing, actually. Um...
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..that moment of silence
and everything, and the prayer,
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I really felt that.
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And I wasn't really in a hurry
to come back,
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I could have sat there for
a lot longer,
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but...it's great that I can do that.
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You know, that I can still find
peace.
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How do you feel sat here, Chris?
Does it give you anything?
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Mixed really, yeah. Pleased for Mina
that she's found peace.
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It's a beautiful building,
obviously, and setting,
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so that's good.
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Still upsetting, obviously.
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Do you feel like you're being held
or that's not something that...?
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No, for me, it doesn't
come into that, really.
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Where do you think you would be now,
Mina, if, you know, you weren't
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religious and you didn't have faith?
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I think I would be a very angry,
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bitter and twisted female.
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Definitely.
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And finding my faith has saved me
on numerous occasions.
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And at times like this...
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..you need it. You know, because...
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..I don't know how people go
through what they go through
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with no sense of there being
a higher purpose in this life.
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And I know that's challenging
for a lot of people.
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Often, when people have
circumstances like ours,
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they think, "Well, you know,
how can a god allow this?"
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You know, there are some priests who
have lost their children
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and they've they walked away from
their faith.
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I don't think it's a testament
of how strong your faith is,
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it's about being able to hear
beyond the evil of this world.
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You have to dig deep
when the bad times come.
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Chris has been a rock for Mina
through all of this,
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but he's struggling, too.
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Morning!
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He has his own way of
getting through the days.
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Fairly constantly I feel and
think about
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what happened that day, that night.
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And I still talk to the girls
before I go to sleep
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and sometimes in the morning,
when I wake up.
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It's always going to be there.
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Do you play tennis every week? Yeah.
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Just a bit of escapism, right?
It is, it's huge escapism.
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Take your mind off... That's it.
..all the awful stuff going on.
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Um, but it's just finding ways
to switch off
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and support Mina when she's going
through her, you know,
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her dark period every so often, when
she, you know, really struggles.
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Yeah. Mina has said that, actually.
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Thank God she's got her faith,
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cos that has been like
a pillar of strength.
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I mean, does that help you?
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Because I know you're not
particularly religious, are you?
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No, I'm not religious.
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I'm confirmed so I will take
communion,
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but I have no passion for
faith, particularly.
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And after what has happened,
to be honest,
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I find it even more difficult
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to comprehend how,
if there is a God,
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He would let something happen
to our family. Yeah.
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Does it get any easier, Chris?
That's a difficult one.
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Um, I don't think it ever will get
easier, will it?
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I think it's... I'm just trying to
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keep it on the same level at
the moment, sort of thing. Yeah.
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But, you know, you think about...
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..things. I'm getting upset now.
Oh, sorry.
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00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,400
Yeah, no, it's difficult.
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It's all the things that she's
not going to have, you know.
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Like some other women who are
victims of male violence,
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Bibaa and Nikki were unlucky to be
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in the wrong place at the
wrong time.
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But what happened after they died
had nothing to do with bad luck.
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REPORTER: Two police officers have
been arrested, suspended
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for misconduct in a public office
over allegations that they shared
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selfies beside the bodies of two...
383
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,600
..PC Lewis and PC Jaffer
have been assigned to guard
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the crime scene to
preserve its integrity,
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00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:04,000
but the two officers breached
the cordon and took photographs
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00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,560
of the two sisters' bodies,
which they shared on WhatsApp.
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00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:14,280
The police officers who were
supposed to be
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protecting the crime scene
had taken selfies.
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The allegations have been referred
to the Metropolitan Police's
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Independent Office for
Police Conduct, the IOPC,
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which is investigating.
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00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,160
They described the
allegations as "sickening".
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00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,160
How can I put this so people can
understand?
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00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:42,400
Any reserves we had
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00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,000
were then cut off!
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00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,400
Mina felt the story of the
selfies got far more attention
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00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,920
from the media than
her daughters' murders.
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00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,840
She is convinced that this - and the
slow initial police response -
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was because they were black.
400
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,040
She's complained to the
police watchdog, the IOPC,
401
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,000
and is waiting for their report.
402
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,960
I am meeting a group of Bibaa's
friends, including her auntie
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00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,560
and a cousin. They were at the park
404
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,920
when the officers must have taken
the photos of the girls' bodies.
405
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,600
Are you all right? I'm good.
I'm good, thank you.
406
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,840
Losing someone that you love,
sort of goes without saying, is...
407
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,040
..so heartbreaking
and so traumatic...
408
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,440
..but the idea the two officers
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00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,560
then take photos of
Bibaa and Nicole...
410
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,120
When that became apparent,
how do you deal with that?
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I don't know cos obviously we were
there for the whole of the time
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that they were... We were down
the bottom, we saw them coming,
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the forensics, we saw them just...
414
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So, like, watching that and then
hearing that, I couldn't quite...
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I was like, "Did we actually see
416
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,040
"those guys when we were down
the bottom?"
417
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,160
You know, police are not
supposed to do that. Mm-hm.
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00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,680
They're not supposed to do that.
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00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,920
They are the tip of the iceberg,
I honestly believe that.
420
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,320
They are just what happened
to pop up over the surface,
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00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,240
there has to be more.
422
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,040
There's 40 other officers that they
sent pictures to.
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00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,760
40!
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00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,160
When you send a picture
to 40 different people,
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00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,600
you know those 40 people think
the way that you think,
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00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,120
have done that before,
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00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,560
would be accepting of the behaviour
428
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,120
that came with those photographs,
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00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,520
That's scary.
430
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,720
That's just 40 that we know of.
431
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,880
It was devastating because on the
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00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,840
Sunday, we were at the park...
433
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,560
..and the police had just put
the cordon...the cordons up,
434
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,320
stopping people from going in.
435
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,280
And, um...
436
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,920
And then my brother started begging.
437
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,200
He begged the police to let him see
Bibaa.
438
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,800
And I remember really clearly,
the policewoman saying,
439
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,160
"Sorry, we can't do that.
440
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,280
"But we will look after them.
441
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,680
"We will take care of them.
442
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,080
"We will respect them.
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00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,480
"We will promise that," and that was
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00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,640
taken, that was stolen from us,
445
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,840
but it was stolen from them girls.
446
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,560
Those two police officers...
447
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,080
..did something worse
448
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,440
than them being murdered.
449
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,440
We can't change that, but the
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00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,360
dignity that they deserved
451
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,640
in their death, they took that
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00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,440
from them and I will never forgive
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00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,240
them for that, never.
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00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,240
As well as anger and grief,
455
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,720
Bibaa's cousin is also still
struggling to feel safe.
456
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,560
Do you still feel frightened?
457
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,640
For months...
458
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,720
..I stayed in Mum's room
for so, so long,
459
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,840
and then you start to isolate and
not go places,
460
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,680
and it just changes everything.
461
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,560
You're so on edge, all the time,
462
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,160
like, I don't go very long without
calling Mum.
463
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,040
I have to be on the phone
all the time.
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00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,520
SHE SNIFFLES
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00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,120
Even coming here, I'm like,
"Mum, I've finished work now,
466
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,600
"I'm on my way now, I'm waiting,
I'm waiting for you."
467
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,160
It's, like, constant. And sometimes
it gets to the point of a joke
468
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,840
and I drive her mad. I'll be calling
her at work all the time
469
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,640
and I'll be at work, at my desk.
THEY LAUGH
470
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,320
But it's like that sometimes, so...
471
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,520
SHE SNIFFLES
472
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,520
So, yeah.
473
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,400
I think it more just...just puts
everything into perspective,
474
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,120
but, yeah, you just have to
gain back that confidence
475
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,200
and go about doing things
and make your friends
476
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,040
and the people close to you aware
of certain things not to say.
477
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,920
And to make sure cos they forget,
when I say,
478
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,080
"Don't joke when I ask you, 'Where
are you?' or, 'Are you home?' or..."
479
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Yeah. It's a lot more serious.
480
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,000
A lot more serious.
481
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,560
SHE SNIFFLES
482
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,120
After four weeks in the Old Bailey,
483
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,600
the judge is about to sum up
484
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,080
and send the jury out
to consider their verdict.
485
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,560
Mina and Chris have asked me
to come to the house of the friend
486
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,240
they've been staying with,
to catch up.
487
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,760
Hi!
488
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,600
Since we last talked, they've heard
489
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,880
the gruesome details of their
daughters' last moments.
490
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,360
What we had to listen to was
491
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,680
that Bibaa, in fact,
492
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,760
had been taken completely
by surprise.
493
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,800
Um, she had ten stab wounds
494
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:27,520
and they now think, because of the
angle, that he had two knives.
495
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,440
And there were no defence wounds,
496
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,720
that's how they know that she was
taken completely by surprise.
497
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:42,920
And, poor little Nic, she had how
many stab wounds, darling?
498
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,360
38 now. 38. So it's gone up again,
yeah.
499
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,240
38.
500
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,480
But what she must have gone through
watching Bibaa getting savagely,
501
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,240
you know, just... That's where we
all got really upset, obviously,
502
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,040
and just had to walk out.
Yeah. Just...
503
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,880
Yeah, and, you know, I don't know.
504
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,240
I'm hoping I won't always
remember that.
505
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,000
I don't think you can underestimate
what you've been forced to hear
506
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,840
over the last couple of weeks,
you know what I mean?
507
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,800
You've been so, like, dignified
and so bloody strong.
508
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,640
You know what I mean? Because you've
said to me, "The gloves are on,
509
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,560
"I have to get this sorted,
I have to.
510
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,840
"I have to make sure that... Yeah.
.."justice is served."
511
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,920
But...you're human. Yeah.
512
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,240
And they're your girls.
513
00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:37,120
In the natural order of things,
514
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,880
nobody expects their children
to go before them
515
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,640
and, you know, with Covid,
people have had terrible times,
516
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,920
but if we'd have lost our girls
to Covid...
517
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,800
..we would be a year on in our
grief.
518
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:05,600
We have had to go back to day one,
all over again,
519
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,800
relive every moment of it, but now
520
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,520
we have the graphics as well,
521
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,480
so, you know, it's like being
522
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,720
part of a thriller movie,
523
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,520
only you're starring in it.
524
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,520
So, you know, you as the viewer
are watching it,
525
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,800
and thinking, "This is horrendous.
526
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,760
"Could you imagine this ever
happening to you?" Only this time...
527
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,720
It's like an out-of-body experience.
Yeah.
528
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:37,760
Only this time you are in the movie.
529
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,320
So this has been your life
for a month. Yeah.
530
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,880
How are you feeling about tomorrow?
531
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,000
OK. I feel all right about it, um...
532
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:55,880
..because, you know, I realise
how I cope with this
533
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,480
is by submerging my feelings
of a mum.
534
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,600
As a mum, I have...
535
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,120
I just want to go and curl up and
die somewhere, really,
536
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:13,440
but what keeps me going is justice.
537
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,520
Justice. Justice for all women
who...
538
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,360
You know, Sarah Everard, for women
who have been attacked
539
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,800
and raped and murdered, um...
540
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,560
Women who, you know,
domestic violence through this.
541
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:38,080
You know, we have to get this
stuff sorted, you know.
542
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,840
In that, I find my strength.
543
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,320
After just eight hours,
the jury returns.
544
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,040
They've reached a unanimous verdict.
545
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,480
REPORTER: A teenager who believed
he'd made a pact with a demon
546
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,640
to sacrifice women in order to win
the lottery has been convicted
547
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,000
of murdering two sisters
548
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000
in a park in North West London
in June last year.
549
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,200
OK, first and foremost, I want to
pay tribute
550
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,560
to the family of Nicole and Bibaa.
551
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,160
This investigation has touched all
of us so deeply and we are glad
552
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,880
that the jury saw through
the ridiculous denials of
553
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,160
the overwhelming evidence
in front of them.
554
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,960
The murder trial's done, but Mina
and Chris know they'll be
555
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,480
back here soon. The officers who
took the selfies
556
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,480
will soon be coming to court
and they're also waiting
557
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,560
for the IOPC report into how
558
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,720
the Met handled the missing
persons calls that weekend.
559
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,520
I have made no bones about my
560
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,000
complaints with the Met Police
office.
561
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,120
Today, I have to say,
I can only commend them.
562
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,520
This is the kind of police force
that I believe in,
563
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,280
and we need to work towards
so that we have justice
564
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,000
and families are treated
with respect.
565
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,960
This is an unbelievable day for us,
566
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,040
but it's the first and there
are two more battles to go.
567
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,120
But today, we remember our girls
568
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,760
as the wonderful, strong women
they were.
569
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,080
The whole court case is a drama
in itself, you know, with the guys
570
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,560
in their wigs and the ladies and all
the court people moving around
571
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,960
and the jury. The whole situation
was, you know, out of my context.
572
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,920
Can you tell us a bit about Nicole
and Bibaa?
573
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,080
I think Mina's sort of activist work
574
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,640
at the moment is what's keeping
her going.
575
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,640
You know, that's the positive
for her.
576
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,160
We're surrounded by photographs,
we're surrounded by...
577
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,680
Well, we're still surrounded by
what's been going on with
578
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,960
the court cases and people now
picking up on Mina
579
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,920
cos she's such a good speaker.
580
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,960
So it's not being hidden away.
581
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,720
Mina, thank you for talking to us.
582
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:01,280
Could you ever imagine
forgiving him? I already have.
583
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:07,240
As a priest, I've done sermons.
584
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:10,840
When we hold hatred for someone,
585
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,920
it's not only them who are
held captive, it's you.
586
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,520
And that's the gift.
587
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,040
He has no power in our lives.
588
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,120
So, my personal battle is still
589
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,720
trying to distract as much
as possible to stop me thinking
590
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:31,760
about the awfulness of what
happened.
591
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,040
And I don't think that will ever go.
592
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:48,360
14 months after the girls' death,
593
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,640
a campaign group set up after
the murder of Sarah Everard,
594
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,040
Reclaim These Streets...
595
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,440
Hello, thank you for coming.
596
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,160
..is holding a vigil in Fryent Park
to remember Bibaa and Nikki.
597
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,320
It's the first time Mina has been
598
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,120
to the place her daughters were
murdered
599
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,080
and the first time Chris has
returned since
600
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,480
the day their bodies were found.
601
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,320
I feel compelled to go now,
602
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:16,000
just reflecting on the
girls' lives that I feel
603
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,360
I will let them down if I don't.
604
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,800
The reason I didn't want to go back
to the park was because of how awful
605
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,960
that day was. And the thought of
going back, knowing what happened
606
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,760
there now in more detail,
607
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,800
emotionally, I just didn't feel
I needed to do that.
608
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,760
But, in the end, I couldn't leave
Mina to go on her own.
609
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,640
I look around and what do I see?
610
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,160
I see beauty everywhere.
611
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,240
As a teacher and a priest,
I have given my life over
612
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:54,600
to raising boys and girls up
that people look down on
613
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,520
and didn't think that they
could ever be anybody.
614
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,880
Now I'm doing it for my girls.
615
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,360
I am so sick and tired of
616
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,840
white, grey, boring old men
617
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,600
telling us how to live our lives!
618
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,640
CROWD CHEERS AND WHOOPS
619
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,920
Who knew about our girls?
620
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:26,600
Why wasn't the outcry there
on two dead black girls?
621
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,200
And it wasn't because
I hadn't done interviews,
622
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,640
it didn't get the air time.
623
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,240
It wasn't on the front page.
624
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:38,800
And I'm calling out all
the editors and producers
625
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,000
and the people who decide
what is put in print.
626
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,480
We're going to be on front page
because I am only just beginning!
627
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,320
CROWD CHEERS AND WHOOPS
628
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,640
As well as being angry with the
media, Mina is still outraged that
629
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,160
the Met Police didn't respond
quickly enough to
630
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,040
the missing persons reports
that weekend.
631
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,360
I appreciate you...I appreciate you
being here.
632
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,120
HE SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY
633
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,600
But it is important you speak up
and we're so supportive.
634
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,560
She hopes the police watchdog
will say race did play a part
635
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,280
in the police response.
636
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,360
The fact that no officers were
sent to the park meant that Adam
637
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,640
had to find the bodies of his
girlfriend and her sister.
638
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,000
What he saw that day
has left him traumatised
639
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,200
and though he supported
us making this film,
640
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,360
he couldn't bring himself
to talk about Nikki on camera.
641
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,840
Hey, Jill.
642
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,960
But his mum and dad, Jill and Dave,
do want to share their memories
643
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,440
of the girl who they thought of
as a daughter.
644
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,080
Mina said to me, Nikki and Adam
645
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,960
was like a modern-day love story.
646
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,760
Yeah. They were just two peas
in a pod.
647
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,040
So she lived here with you
for five years.
648
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,920
Yeah, nearly five years, it was,
yeah. That's a long time.
649
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,200
Well, it was a joy to me,
650
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,360
because having two boys
and a husband, you know,
651
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,200
it was lovely. It was, you know,
652
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,120
like having a daughter living in
the house, yeah.
653
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,160
You weren't outnumbered.
No, I wasn't. No, no.
654
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,320
She was bright and bubbly, um,
655
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,040
so unassuming about things.
656
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,840
You never heard her say
a bad word about anything.
657
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,000
They were super creative,
weren't they, together?
658
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,880
They would make videos and...
Both artists, really.
659
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,000
She had the most beautiful voice.
660
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,440
She really did have the most
beautiful singing voice.
661
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,720
# I'm off to swim the river
662
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:59,560
# Regardless of the weather
663
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:07,240
# It helps to build a bond
between... #
664
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,320
How is Adam doing?
665
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,280
Well, we spent the first couple
of months,
666
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,160
this was our bedroom in here.
667
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,120
Cos he found it too difficult to go
668
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,520
in his bedroom that
he shared with Nicole.
669
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,480
The only way I can sort of describe
it with him is to say he's lost.
670
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,520
He's just completely lost, isn't he?
671
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,920
It's...it's very hard...
672
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,560
..to see him as he is now.
673
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,360
He probably feels that he's not
going to meet somebody like that
674
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,920
again, which must be pretty hard.
675
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,600
Yeah, bless her, Mina has always
been absolutely lovely,
676
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,600
hasn't she, about it?
You know, she's always said
677
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,120
nothing would please her more
678
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,800
than to hear, you know, he's
found... Found somebody else.
679
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,960
Yeah, yeah. To, you know,
share things with.
680
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,520
My understanding is...
681
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,240
..something that really infuriates
682
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:13,440
her, understandably so,
683
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,560
is the fact that Adam had
684
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,160
to find his Nikki.
685
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,800
You know, it can take people
a long time to get over grief,
686
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,280
but...and all the different sides
of grief, but it is
687
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,880
that vision that you just can't do
anything about.
688
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,160
And you just wish you could
erase it, but you can't
689
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,720
So...
690
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,440
Another tough day has come for Mina
and Chris.
691
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,800
More than 15 months after
Mina's initial complaint to
692
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,200
the police watchdog, the report on
the Met's response to
693
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,840
the missing persons calls has
finally been published.
694
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,200
"The Met Police Service has
been advised to apologise to
695
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,360
"the family of Nicole Smallman
and Bibaa Henry
696
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,240
"for failings identified by
an independent officer
697
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:12,440
"for police conduct..." -
so that's the IOPC -
698
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,000
"..into the way it handled missing
persons reports about the sisters."
699
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,320
There's an interesting line here.
700
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,760
"A call handler will also
receive a management action
701
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,080
"after they referred to a
missing person as a suspect.
702
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,200
"The evidence did not indicate that
this was a result of stereotyping
703
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:37,680
"or biased assumptions based on the
sisters' race or where they lived."
704
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,120
I can understand why some people
find that hard to believe
705
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,720
or it feels contradictory
because earlier on...
706
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,000
..you know, they're using
the word "suspect".
707
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,680
So, where have you got that word
from?
708
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,440
Even subconsciously, why are you
using that word when there's no talk
709
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,400
of the girls being a suspect?
710
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,680
They're the victims.
711
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,720
How many times can one
family be let down?
712
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,840
Hi. Hello, Stacey. Welcome.
713
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,920
Mina has been waiting a long time
for the report to be completed
714
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,880
and was hoping it would say that
715
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,240
race was a factor in how things
were handled.
716
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:22,080
Ah, girl.
717
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:22,080
MINA CHUCKLES
718
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,560
Oh, my tonic has arrived.
Oh, I don't know about that.
719
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,720
Give us your coat. Oh, thanks, mate.
720
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,720
She hasn't been answering her
phone for the last couple of days
721
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:35,120
and Chris tells me the
report has hit her hard.
722
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,880
I've come to Ramsgate to see how
she's doing.
723
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,480
Mina, how are you feeling today?
724
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,960
Um, better than the last few days.
725
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,040
The IOPC report...
726
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:54,040
..we had to read it through and...
727
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,640
..it's just so frustrating.
728
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,960
And you try to move forward.
729
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:03,880
You try...
730
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:13,160
..and, uh, move from
the pain, but all of this,
731
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,600
this missing persons,
732
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:20,320
that report represents a
time in our lives where
733
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:25,000
we were desperate for our children,
to find them,
734
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,520
that we had to put our own
search party together
735
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,280
and the Met wants to offer us
an apology?
736
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:36,800
Are they mad?
737
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,560
What are they thinking?
738
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,240
"Sorry" is what you say
when you bump into somebody.
739
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,320
This is me, Mum.
740
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,280
This is Mum.
741
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,280
SHE SNIFFLES
742
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,000
And this is the consequence,
743
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,200
so what happens is your
744
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,600
energy levels go to the ground
745
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:09,080
and if you keep pushing,
then I would...
746
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,400
..I could go back to being
bedridden again,
747
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,320
and so, you know, I just have energy
748
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,200
to shower and that's it.
749
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,480
I haven't even got energy
to moisturise my body.
750
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,280
You know, I thought I'd make an
effort and put earrings in.
751
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,760
SHE EXHALES SHARPLY
752
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:52,920
But I thought it was important
that people get to see
753
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,760
all aspects of this story
754
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,040
because normally when
I'm like this,
755
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,680
I don't allow people to see me.
756
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,600
I retreat and just regain my energy,
757
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,600
but I thought it was really
important
758
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:15,320
that people understand that,
on top of everything else,
759
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,280
we still have our conditions
760
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:24,080
and the toll that it's
taking on our lives.
761
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:31,360
You know, I hide away when I'm like
this because I feel less than...
762
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,080
..and I don't want pity or...
763
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:40,120
..but this is...this is what a
mother's grief looks like.
764
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,360
And the sense of
injustice is like...
765
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,960
..it just makes everything
ten times worse
766
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,120
because you can't move forward.
767
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,400
REPORTER: Two former police
officers who took pictures of two
768
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,240
murdered sisters in a London park
769
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,480
and then shared them on
WhatsApp groups
770
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,360
have each been jailed for nearly
three years. PCs Deniz Jaffer...
771
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,480
..47 and 33-year-old
Jamie Lewis pleaded guilty
772
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,400
to misconduct in a public office.
Our correspondent...
773
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,600
18 months to the day after Bibaa
and Nikki were killed,
774
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,440
Mina is talking to the press from
the steps of the Old Bailey
775
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,880
for what she hopes will be
the very last time.
776
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,600
The two officers caught sharing
photos have pleaded guilty
777
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,520
and have just been sentenced.
778
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,760
What's your reaction to
two years, nine months?
779
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,760
Uh, thrilled, actually.
780
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:58,120
We thought that they would be
given a suspended sentence,
781
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,640
but I think the judge really got it.
782
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,120
The court process is finally over
783
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,240
and the two Met policemen
are on their way to prison.
784
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:09,520
As Queen Elizabeth I said,
785
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,200
"I do not have windows
into men's souls,"
786
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,640
but I would say they are more
sorry that they got caught
787
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,720
than they are about what they did.
788
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:24,720
I feel sorry for their family.
789
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,840
I... You know, I know it's not
going to be easy for them,
790
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,200
but it hasn't been easy for us
791
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,000
and this additional pain and
suffering we've gone through
792
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,400
could have been avoided.
793
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,840
I'm hoping this sends
a signal to the Met
794
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,960
and all other police forces,
795
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,480
and gives strength to those who are
being abused and hearing language
796
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,160
that they detest, but are afraid to
speak up.
797
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,640
Speak up! Now's the time.
798
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,440
The good people are the ones
that should have voice.
799
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,680
They're the ones who
should have the power.
800
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,120
That's me. I'm done.
Well done, Mina.
801
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,640
SHE CHUCKLES
Thank you. Thank you. Thanks.
802
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,000
Right, let's go in and
disappear for a bit.
803
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,440
Almost nine months after we first
talked at their house in Ramsgate,
804
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,400
Chris and Mina have invited me
to Canterbury Cathedral once again.
805
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,800
Let's get a shovel.
There's one over there.
806
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,160
The dean has suggested they plant a
cherry tree in the cathedral gardens
807
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,560
in memory of the girls.
808
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:57,000
Do you want to just say the names of
your girls as we do this?
809
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,240
Mina's friend, Rose Hudson-Wilkin,
the Bishop of Dover,
810
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:03,160
is leading the ceremony.
811
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,680
Lord, this is for our girls.
812
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:12,000
May this tree be so beautiful that
it stops people in their tracks.
813
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,640
That they may be remembered.
814
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:20,520
So, Lord, bless this tree as
we plant it
815
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,600
and bless all those who will come
816
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,000
and who will see it
and admire its beauty.
817
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,400
May they also, deep in their hearts,
818
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,880
know the beauty of
Mina's and Chris' children.
819
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,920
Amen. Amen. Amen.
820
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,080
Oh, I'm so pleased it's here,
this is perfect.
821
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,800
It's beautiful. The place of it is
perfect.
822
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,880
We'll be able to come here,
823
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,000
rather than the park where
the girls were murdered.
824
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,480
We can think of them without being
in the place of terror. Mm.
825
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,920
Are you in less pain now?
826
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,520
No. No.
827
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:13,280
Every time a young woman goes
missing
828
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,320
or, you know, we get
another revelation into
829
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:23,040
the toxic culture within police
forces, we go right back to day one.
830
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,440
Just every time anyone mentions
831
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,240
Nikki and Bib, I get a bit tearful,
832
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,120
but, like everything, it's a wave.
833
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,600
It come and goes in waves, you know.
834
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,800
Just have to keep thinking of other
things
835
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,720
and distract all the time... Yeah.
836
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,840
And I had my meltdown yesterday
837
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,160
and Chris took such good care of me.
838
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:49,240
And I know he's been really upset
today so,
839
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:52,160
you know, I'll take care of him.
840
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,280
And, you know, we're so silly,
841
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,320
the two of us,
842
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,240
we love a laugh and we...
843
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:58,720
I'm so cheeky to him
844
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:00,600
and he's so cheeky to me,
845
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,000
and that's how we get through it,
846
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,600
you know, we try and find something.
847
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,440
He's so grounding and, you know,
848
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,760
I'm the overthinker,
I'm the deep thinker,
849
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,200
but he grounds me.
850
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,840
If I didn't have him with me,
851
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,480
I would constantly be mulling over
852
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,520
the nightmare of this story.
853
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,640
I would...I would just be so
in on myself.
854
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:32,640
And when it's like that,
it can be very, very dark.
855
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,440
And so he pulls me out of it.
856
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,560
HE MOUTHS
857
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,120
How would you like people
to remember the girls?
858
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:51,560
As fun, outgoing girls who,
you know, got on with life
859
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,400
and made friends easily
860
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,680
and enjoyed a good party with
their mum, particularly. Mm.
861
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:00,960
It's really important to me
862
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:06,360
that we remember how they lived,
not how they died.
863
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,800
Bibaa, the amazing social worker,
864
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,760
who battled to make sure
children were safe,
865
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,800
that families weren't broken up.
866
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,600
THEY SPEAK INDISTINCTLY
867
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,240
THEY CHUCKLE
868
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,800
And Nikki, she was just a
ray of light everywhere
869
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,040
and I know that will
always be the way.
870
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,040
And I think that's what we
need to do, we need to find
871
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,840
the sunshine in the rain.
872
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:03,560
# Love
873
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:13,880
# Love
874
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:21,320
# My love
875
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:33,440
# My love
876
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:41,080
# My love
877
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,560
# My
878
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:54,840
# Love. #
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