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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,843 --> 00:00:06,743 - I need EMS. 2 00:00:06,776 --> 00:00:08,910 I have a man hanging from a swing set. 3 00:00:08,943 --> 00:00:10,776 - If you knew in your heart and in your mind 4 00:00:10,810 --> 00:00:12,810 that someone took your child's life, 5 00:00:12,843 --> 00:00:15,243 how far would you go to get to the truth? 6 00:00:15,276 --> 00:00:16,943 - We sat there with no answers, 7 00:00:16,976 --> 00:00:19,576 and then they tell my mom it was suicide. 8 00:00:19,610 --> 00:00:21,010 - Was there more to the story? 9 00:00:21,043 --> 00:00:22,476 This doesn't make sense. 10 00:00:22,510 --> 00:00:25,476 Law enforcement did not do their job adequately. 11 00:00:25,510 --> 00:00:27,810 - Honestly, it looked like it was a display, 12 00:00:27,843 --> 00:00:30,143 like it was a back-in-the-day lynching. 13 00:00:30,176 --> 00:00:31,876 - This community has a right 14 00:00:31,910 --> 00:00:34,676 to demand more investigation! 15 00:00:34,710 --> 00:00:36,976 Filmmaker Jacqueline Olive 16 00:00:37,010 --> 00:00:39,410 explores how the legacy of racial terrorism 17 00:00:39,443 --> 00:00:40,710 still haunts us today. 18 00:00:40,743 --> 00:00:42,276 - If you were black and alive, 19 00:00:42,310 --> 00:00:44,243 you were always at risk to be killed. 20 00:00:44,276 --> 00:00:45,876 - That isn't ancient history. 21 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:48,310 A lot of the people involved in lynchings, 22 00:00:48,343 --> 00:00:49,843 they're still around today. 23 00:00:49,876 --> 00:00:52,010 - If together we face that history, 24 00:00:52,043 --> 00:00:53,243 it leads to a dialogue; 25 00:00:53,276 --> 00:00:55,476 it leads to an opening for reconciliation. 26 00:00:55,510 --> 00:00:56,943 "Always in Season," 27 00:00:56,976 --> 00:00:58,910 now only on Independent Lens. 28 00:02:00,376 --> 00:02:03,876 - Well, Lennon was about 29 00:02:03,910 --> 00:02:06,776 Almost two. 30 00:02:12,043 --> 00:02:14,343 This is Lennon, the oldest. 31 00:02:14,376 --> 00:02:16,443 Young uncle. 32 00:02:28,343 --> 00:02:33,543 Think about it as if it was your son or your daughter. 33 00:02:33,576 --> 00:02:36,910 If you knew in your heart and in your mind 34 00:02:36,943 --> 00:02:39,776 that someone took your child's life, 35 00:02:39,810 --> 00:02:41,443 and everything that you've done 36 00:02:41,476 --> 00:02:43,110 that's humanly possible, 37 00:02:43,143 --> 00:02:47,010 they've taken it and twisted it and turned it. 38 00:02:47,043 --> 00:02:50,343 How far would you go to get to the truth? 39 00:02:50,376 --> 00:02:53,410 How soon would you let it go? 40 00:02:53,443 --> 00:02:55,376 Neighborhood is supposed to be a connection 41 00:02:55,410 --> 00:02:58,343 of your extended family. 42 00:02:58,376 --> 00:03:01,576 Someone in your family gets hurt, you hurt. 43 00:03:01,610 --> 00:03:04,776 And until this wound is fixed and heals, 44 00:03:04,810 --> 00:03:08,876 this neighborhood will always hurt 45 00:03:08,910 --> 00:03:11,943 and always be a open wound. 46 00:04:04,676 --> 00:04:08,143 God. 47 00:04:23,210 --> 00:04:25,810 - If you read the accounts of lynching, 48 00:04:25,843 --> 00:04:29,943 the acts themselves were so horrifying 49 00:04:29,976 --> 00:04:32,776 that they became a kind of internal story 50 00:04:32,810 --> 00:04:35,076 of so many communities. 51 00:04:35,110 --> 00:04:37,376 And yet, like children, we still hope and pray 52 00:04:37,410 --> 00:04:39,676 that it's far enough in the past 53 00:04:39,710 --> 00:04:41,876 that maybe we never have to talk about it. 54 00:04:51,110 --> 00:04:53,410 - This report is published with the hope 55 00:04:53,443 --> 00:04:57,010 that its sheer sadism and abnormal cruelty 56 00:04:57,043 --> 00:05:00,743 may stir thoughtful Americans to action. 57 00:05:00,776 --> 00:05:03,143 If this report does not do so, 58 00:05:03,176 --> 00:05:06,576 we fear that the situation is hopeless. 59 00:05:14,576 --> 00:05:18,410 - We have the Moore's Ford lynching from 1946, 60 00:05:18,443 --> 00:05:20,310 and no one has been charged. 61 00:05:20,343 --> 00:05:23,210 And you mean to tell me, after all these years, 62 00:05:23,243 --> 00:05:25,376 no one will speak up? 63 00:05:25,410 --> 00:05:29,076 That angers me. Somebody knows something. 64 00:05:34,943 --> 00:05:36,743 - I think that he was murdered. 65 00:05:36,776 --> 00:05:38,210 I think they hung him up 66 00:05:38,243 --> 00:05:40,910 to make it look like a suicide. 67 00:05:40,943 --> 00:05:42,276 A group of people in this area, 68 00:05:42,310 --> 00:05:46,010 some of 'em are all for a good show of a lynching. 69 00:05:49,076 --> 00:05:53,576 - It makes you realize that things like that still happen. 70 00:05:55,610 --> 00:05:57,843 We might not see them all the time, 71 00:05:57,876 --> 00:06:00,276 but they still happen. 72 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:19,910 - I grew up here. This has always been home. 73 00:06:21,176 --> 00:06:24,343 It has sort of a Andy Griffith feel. 74 00:06:24,376 --> 00:06:27,010 A lot of the people are country folks 75 00:06:27,043 --> 00:06:30,276 and have a laid-back attitude. 76 00:06:32,276 --> 00:06:34,343 I've been in many places around the country 77 00:06:34,376 --> 00:06:36,976 where there's big cities and towns, 78 00:06:37,010 --> 00:06:40,510 and I like the small-town atmosphere 79 00:06:40,543 --> 00:06:43,410 simply because it's a slower pace. 80 00:06:48,076 --> 00:06:49,676 In my growing-up time, 81 00:06:49,710 --> 00:06:52,743 Cotton mill was the main employer, 82 00:06:52,776 --> 00:06:55,976 but were closed down by the 1980s. 83 00:06:57,676 --> 00:07:00,110 It was a farming town as well. 84 00:07:01,210 --> 00:07:05,076 - Who's glad to be part of the Annual Bladenboro Beast Fest? 85 00:07:07,210 --> 00:07:09,476 - I don't know if you've heard of the "Beast of Bladenboro," 86 00:07:09,510 --> 00:07:10,776 but they have a festival for that. 87 00:07:10,810 --> 00:07:12,310 It's based on a legend. 88 00:07:14,543 --> 00:07:16,876 - In 1954, 89 00:07:16,910 --> 00:07:20,076 some kind of animal killed a number of pets 90 00:07:20,110 --> 00:07:22,576 and some livestock in the area-- 91 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:24,476 a figure in the dark. 92 00:07:24,510 --> 00:07:26,910 The artist's conception is something-- 93 00:07:26,943 --> 00:07:31,110 almost a human-like, cat-like combination. 94 00:07:31,143 --> 00:07:32,543 - You notice about the Beast of Bladenboro, 95 00:07:32,576 --> 00:07:35,643 you don't ever see black people in that stuff. 96 00:07:35,676 --> 00:07:37,576 That's a myth that was perpetrated 97 00:07:37,610 --> 00:07:41,943 by our light-skinned brothers and sisters. 98 00:07:41,976 --> 00:07:43,876 The Beast has always been black, 99 00:07:43,910 --> 00:07:46,210 and black people always had a problem with that. 100 00:07:46,243 --> 00:07:48,276 - We went with a black cat because that's the way 101 00:07:48,310 --> 00:07:50,676 it had always been portrayed in the old articles. 102 00:07:50,710 --> 00:07:52,843 It--you know, the--the killer cat. 103 00:07:52,876 --> 00:07:54,876 You know, the black cat. 104 00:07:54,910 --> 00:07:57,310 It was supposed to be coming out of the swamp 105 00:07:57,343 --> 00:07:59,043 up into the edge of town. 106 00:07:59,076 --> 00:08:01,076 Everybody wanted to be the one 107 00:08:01,110 --> 00:08:03,543 to get their picture in the newspapers 108 00:08:03,576 --> 00:08:05,343 that they captured the Beast. 109 00:08:05,376 --> 00:08:06,676 - And then, you know, they call it 110 00:08:06,710 --> 00:08:09,043 the "Swamp in the Quarters" down there for a reason. 111 00:08:09,076 --> 00:08:10,576 That's based upon that slave term, there, 112 00:08:10,610 --> 00:08:12,910 from the slave quarters. 113 00:08:12,943 --> 00:08:14,910 And here in Bladenboro, 114 00:08:14,943 --> 00:08:18,976 most of the African Americans live in this particular area. 115 00:08:21,643 --> 00:08:24,610 - So right here, there was a cleaners, 116 00:08:24,643 --> 00:08:26,610 and right here was a little feed store. 117 00:08:26,643 --> 00:08:29,176 They done changed it now. 118 00:08:29,210 --> 00:08:30,976 All these places that I'm telling you, 119 00:08:31,010 --> 00:08:32,443 you knew where you could come 120 00:08:32,476 --> 00:08:34,510 and what time that your place was. 121 00:08:34,543 --> 00:08:36,276 You know, the first part of the morning 122 00:08:36,310 --> 00:08:39,843 was mostly the business time, 123 00:08:39,876 --> 00:08:41,110 and the white people come first, 124 00:08:41,143 --> 00:08:42,943 and then the black people came. 125 00:08:44,543 --> 00:08:47,610 - We had it hard coming up. 126 00:08:47,643 --> 00:08:49,476 We all have our skeletons, 127 00:08:49,510 --> 00:08:52,110 but honey, Bladenboro got skeletons 128 00:08:52,143 --> 00:08:55,510 that, if you open the door, they will scare you to death. 129 00:08:56,776 --> 00:09:00,443 Some things that you see, you keep it to yourself. 130 00:09:00,476 --> 00:09:03,576 You will live longer. 131 00:09:04,976 --> 00:09:09,676 - I haven't experienced any, personal racial division. 132 00:09:09,710 --> 00:09:11,843 Everybody gets along. 133 00:09:18,143 --> 00:09:20,143 Of course, we do have the young man 134 00:09:20,176 --> 00:09:22,310 that was found hanging here 135 00:09:22,343 --> 00:09:24,676 in Bladenboro a couple of years ago. 136 00:09:27,910 --> 00:09:33,876 Lennon Lacy was found hanging from a swing near his home, 137 00:09:33,910 --> 00:09:37,310 I think, is the way the story went. 138 00:09:37,343 --> 00:09:39,743 Most people just don't know what happened there. 139 00:09:42,543 --> 00:09:43,976 - All right, I'm gonna take you by the cemetery 140 00:09:44,010 --> 00:09:46,210 where Lennon's in. 141 00:09:48,343 --> 00:09:51,543 This here is my grandmother and my grandfather, 142 00:09:51,576 --> 00:09:53,610 Ed and Benjamin Lacy. 143 00:09:53,643 --> 00:09:57,210 And that's my uncle. He was a brickmason. 144 00:09:57,243 --> 00:09:58,743 And down here... 145 00:10:02,510 --> 00:10:05,643 This is Lennon's grave, right here. 146 00:10:05,676 --> 00:10:07,376 That's Lennon's grave. 147 00:10:34,376 --> 00:10:36,210 - I'm playing basketball. 148 00:10:36,243 --> 00:10:37,976 - Is your brother showing you how to play? 149 00:10:38,010 --> 00:10:39,343 - No. I already know how to play. 150 00:10:39,376 --> 00:10:40,410 Okay. 151 00:10:40,443 --> 00:10:41,943 - I'm good at it. 152 00:10:41,976 --> 00:10:43,710 - Okay. 153 00:10:48,143 --> 00:10:51,210 Lennon would've never wanted me to not know 154 00:10:51,243 --> 00:10:53,510 what happened to him. 155 00:10:53,543 --> 00:10:55,410 You know, he would want me to have some type of closure 156 00:10:55,443 --> 00:10:57,643 because we were very close. 157 00:10:57,676 --> 00:11:01,676 Told my son there was nothing too insignificant 158 00:11:01,710 --> 00:11:03,076 that you can't tell me. 159 00:11:05,510 --> 00:11:07,110 I know everything about your body, 160 00:11:07,143 --> 00:11:08,876 everything about you. 161 00:11:08,910 --> 00:11:13,610 Give us, Lord, our daily bread. Amen. 162 00:11:13,643 --> 00:11:15,476 - For them to say what they did, 163 00:11:15,510 --> 00:11:17,343 as far as he had taken his own life, 164 00:11:17,376 --> 00:11:20,910 I couldn't see that. 165 00:11:20,943 --> 00:11:24,176 He had too much to live for. 166 00:11:24,210 --> 00:11:26,376 Too much. 167 00:11:27,343 --> 00:11:29,410 And I just want justice and closure. 168 00:11:35,510 --> 00:11:37,143 Last time I talked to Lennon 169 00:11:37,176 --> 00:11:40,210 was the day that we buried my uncle. 170 00:11:42,276 --> 00:11:45,043 So we all came back here. 171 00:11:45,076 --> 00:11:48,710 After the funeral, Lennon was dressed down. 172 00:11:48,743 --> 00:11:51,876 He had on his dark-blue sweatpants, 173 00:11:51,910 --> 00:11:54,843 a sports jersey with "Bladen" on the front of it, 174 00:11:54,876 --> 00:11:56,976 and his tennis shoes stuck out 175 00:11:57,010 --> 00:11:59,476 because they were that neon green, 176 00:11:59,510 --> 00:12:00,976 but that's the color he wanted 177 00:12:01,010 --> 00:12:02,443 because he had a hat that it matched, too, 178 00:12:02,476 --> 00:12:03,943 'cause he bought the whole outfit. 179 00:12:03,976 --> 00:12:06,743 The hat, the pants, and the shirt, and the shoes matched. 180 00:12:08,843 --> 00:12:10,343 I said, "Well, I'm gonna go head to bed 181 00:12:10,376 --> 00:12:13,010 'cause I'm tired and don't feel too good. So..." 182 00:12:13,043 --> 00:12:15,110 Lennon was like, "I got to finish hanging out my things 183 00:12:15,143 --> 00:12:17,376 for a football game tomorrow." 184 00:12:17,410 --> 00:12:18,976 So he kissed me on the forehead. 185 00:12:19,010 --> 00:12:20,710 I said, "Don't forget to take that stuff off the line," 186 00:12:20,743 --> 00:12:23,010 and I went to bed. 187 00:12:23,043 --> 00:12:25,376 And that was the last time I talked to Lennon. 188 00:12:29,743 --> 00:12:32,376 In the morning, I was talking to my sister over the phone 189 00:12:32,410 --> 00:12:34,743 because she was checking in on me. 190 00:12:34,776 --> 00:12:36,176 I happened to glance out the window, 191 00:12:36,210 --> 00:12:39,110 and I said, "Lennon's done left his jersey 192 00:12:39,143 --> 00:12:42,176 and his support socks on the clothesline." 193 00:12:42,210 --> 00:12:44,010 She said, "Well, I'ma let you go." 194 00:12:44,043 --> 00:12:45,610 She--"'Cause I know you got to run to the schoolhouse 195 00:12:45,643 --> 00:12:46,876 and drop off his things." 196 00:12:48,910 --> 00:12:51,576 And there was a knock at the door. 197 00:12:51,610 --> 00:12:54,343 Chief Hunt is on the other side. 198 00:12:54,376 --> 00:12:57,810 He let me know that I needed to go with him. 199 00:12:57,843 --> 00:13:02,643 I got in my vehicle, and I followed him over to the park. 200 00:13:04,010 --> 00:13:05,243 There was a crowd of people 201 00:13:05,276 --> 00:13:07,910 standing on the side of the road, 202 00:13:07,943 --> 00:13:09,676 and I noticed 203 00:13:09,710 --> 00:13:13,176 that the police was rolling up crime scene yellow tape 204 00:13:13,210 --> 00:13:15,476 from around one of the swing sets. 205 00:13:16,776 --> 00:13:19,443 The State Bureau investigator told me 206 00:13:19,476 --> 00:13:22,876 that I needed to see if this was my son. 207 00:13:24,710 --> 00:13:28,043 I go up the three steps, sit on the back of the EMT. 208 00:13:28,076 --> 00:13:30,476 I got close--as close as you could get 209 00:13:30,510 --> 00:13:32,076 other than laying on top of his body-- 210 00:13:32,110 --> 00:13:36,710 to look and see and feel and touch and smell his body. 211 00:13:36,743 --> 00:13:41,810 And I rubbed his face. I rubbed his chest... 212 00:13:41,843 --> 00:13:43,343 and I just looked at him with amaze 213 00:13:43,376 --> 00:13:47,576 'cause I was literally... 214 00:13:47,610 --> 00:13:50,810 disbelief... 215 00:13:50,843 --> 00:13:53,276 that it--you know, his lifeless body was there, 216 00:13:53,310 --> 00:13:56,876 and I just saw him a couple of hours prior. 217 00:13:59,343 --> 00:14:02,643 It was unreal... 218 00:14:02,676 --> 00:14:04,276 like I was watching a bad movie 219 00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:05,976 and it was never gonna end. 220 00:14:09,510 --> 00:14:11,810 And from that point on, it became a blur to me. 221 00:14:11,843 --> 00:14:15,976 and I tried to allow my family members-- 222 00:14:16,010 --> 00:14:18,276 other family members-- to deal with the police. 223 00:14:18,310 --> 00:14:21,576 I couldn't deal with any more than what I was dealing with. 224 00:14:21,610 --> 00:14:23,476 I just couldn't. 225 00:14:26,176 --> 00:14:29,943 - At the time, I was working in Stafford, Virginia. 226 00:14:31,110 --> 00:14:34,210 And then my supervisor is like, 227 00:14:34,243 --> 00:14:35,943 "Hey, you got a phone call." 228 00:14:38,510 --> 00:14:41,776 And my godbrother was... 229 00:14:41,810 --> 00:14:45,576 he was telling me, "They found Lennon." 230 00:14:45,610 --> 00:14:46,976 I said, "'They?' Who're 'they'? 231 00:14:47,010 --> 00:14:48,110 And what are you talking about?" 232 00:14:48,143 --> 00:14:49,410 He was like, 233 00:14:49,443 --> 00:14:50,843 "They found him dead. 234 00:14:50,876 --> 00:14:55,876 They say he hung himself. He committed suicide." 235 00:14:58,210 --> 00:15:00,443 He wouldn't do nothing like that. 236 00:15:00,476 --> 00:15:05,310 I just--you know, I just saw him a couple weeks ago. 237 00:15:05,343 --> 00:15:08,376 That wasn't on his mind. 238 00:15:11,543 --> 00:15:13,176 I started crying. 239 00:15:13,210 --> 00:15:16,410 I was--I wanted to stop crying, but I couldn't. 240 00:15:16,443 --> 00:15:19,810 I cried from my job all the way to my mom's house. 241 00:15:22,176 --> 00:15:25,343 When I walked in the house, I was just--I saw my mom. 242 00:15:25,376 --> 00:15:27,443 I'm like... 243 00:15:27,476 --> 00:15:30,276 "How? 244 00:15:30,310 --> 00:15:33,476 How did this happen?" You know? 245 00:15:33,510 --> 00:15:38,143 And she--she couldn't-- she couldn't really-- 246 00:15:38,176 --> 00:15:42,743 she couldn't even really look at me because she was so hurt. 247 00:15:42,776 --> 00:15:45,143 And it hadn't--you know, I didn't take nothing personal. 248 00:15:45,176 --> 00:15:47,810 It just hurt me to know that she was that hurt. 249 00:15:50,610 --> 00:15:55,210 And I couldn't imagine what was going on through her mind 250 00:15:55,243 --> 00:15:58,410 when she had to go out there... 251 00:15:58,443 --> 00:16:01,743 and see him like that. 252 00:16:01,776 --> 00:16:05,276 And then they tell her 253 00:16:05,310 --> 00:16:07,810 she don't know what she talkin' about. 254 00:16:07,843 --> 00:16:10,276 "He did this to himself." 255 00:16:12,243 --> 00:16:18,443 And you gonna force-feed a lie to my whole entire family 256 00:16:18,476 --> 00:16:21,476 and make us think we're crazy? 257 00:16:24,676 --> 00:16:27,010 It looked like... 258 00:16:27,043 --> 00:16:29,510 honestly, it looked like it was a display, 259 00:16:29,543 --> 00:16:31,876 like it was a message, 260 00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:34,576 like it was a-- a back-in-the-day lynching. 261 00:16:34,610 --> 00:16:38,276 Like, that's what it-- that's how it made me feel. 262 00:16:39,776 --> 00:16:41,510 That's how it made me feel. 263 00:16:57,410 --> 00:17:01,743 - Lynching as a form of racial terrorism 264 00:17:01,776 --> 00:17:04,443 is a very particular thing. 265 00:17:07,210 --> 00:17:09,776 And that really began after the Civil War 266 00:17:09,810 --> 00:17:12,943 during the Reconstruction period 267 00:17:12,976 --> 00:17:16,210 when newly emancipated slaves were making political gains, 268 00:17:16,243 --> 00:17:19,810 economic gains, educational gains. 269 00:17:19,843 --> 00:17:22,510 Between the 1890s and 1960, 270 00:17:22,543 --> 00:17:25,676 there were about 5,000 lynchings in the United States, 271 00:17:25,710 --> 00:17:27,443 most of them of African American men, 272 00:17:27,476 --> 00:17:28,910 although there were a few dozen cases 273 00:17:28,943 --> 00:17:31,910 of African American women. 274 00:17:31,943 --> 00:17:33,910 Mostly they did happen in the South, 275 00:17:33,943 --> 00:17:38,143 but they happened all over throughout the United States. 276 00:17:38,176 --> 00:17:41,176 And lynchings very often involved hangings, 277 00:17:41,210 --> 00:17:44,110 very often involved shooting, 278 00:17:44,143 --> 00:17:49,010 but also burning, including burning alive, of victims. 279 00:17:50,210 --> 00:17:53,676 But it really was the character of the murder 280 00:17:53,710 --> 00:17:56,243 that made it a lynching. 281 00:17:56,276 --> 00:17:59,276 Those who were involved in the lynching perceived themselves 282 00:17:59,310 --> 00:18:01,910 as having the right to do this, 283 00:18:01,943 --> 00:18:04,143 and that's why it's most often done openly 284 00:18:04,176 --> 00:18:06,010 and notoriously 285 00:18:06,043 --> 00:18:09,210 with the participation of average people... 286 00:18:10,843 --> 00:18:13,810 Not just to punish the individual person, 287 00:18:13,843 --> 00:18:17,510 but as a symbol, as a sign to the larger community-- 288 00:18:17,543 --> 00:18:20,543 both the white community and the black community. 289 00:18:20,576 --> 00:18:23,043 Lynching was a message crime. 290 00:18:24,510 --> 00:18:26,243 Sometimes they happened in the woods, 291 00:18:26,276 --> 00:18:27,743 but most often, 292 00:18:27,776 --> 00:18:31,043 they happened in places where the body would be seen, 293 00:18:31,076 --> 00:18:35,976 sometimes in a crowd of 294 00:18:36,010 --> 00:18:37,710 And it's the public nature of lynching 295 00:18:37,743 --> 00:18:40,976 that really condemns the white community 296 00:18:41,010 --> 00:18:43,743 because the idea that people didn't know... 297 00:18:43,776 --> 00:18:47,676 They did know. 298 00:19:13,443 --> 00:19:16,610 - "At sundown, the negro will be taken 299 00:19:16,643 --> 00:19:19,310 "to the farm two miles from here 300 00:19:19,343 --> 00:19:24,210 "where Miss Lola Cannady, the murder victim, lived. 301 00:19:24,243 --> 00:19:29,976 "There he will be mutilated by the girl's father. 302 00:19:30,010 --> 00:19:34,010 "Then he will be brought to the pigpen and murdered 303 00:19:34,043 --> 00:19:37,710 "where the girl's body was found. 304 00:19:37,743 --> 00:19:42,010 "Finally his body will be brought to the county seat 305 00:19:42,043 --> 00:19:43,776 "nine miles from here 306 00:19:43,810 --> 00:19:49,110 "and hung in the courthouse square for all to see. 307 00:19:49,143 --> 00:19:53,443 All white folks are invited to the party." 308 00:20:18,843 --> 00:20:21,176 - We want that nigger, Roger! 309 00:20:21,210 --> 00:20:23,243 Now! Get him out! 310 00:20:25,810 --> 00:20:27,410 - Get out of the car, nigger! 311 00:20:28,776 --> 00:20:30,510 Who do you think you are? 312 00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:35,676 - Take him down! 313 00:20:35,710 --> 00:20:38,143 - Why are you doing this to me? 314 00:20:38,176 --> 00:20:39,776 What are you doing? 315 00:20:41,743 --> 00:20:43,543 - Please! Don't hurt us! 316 00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:46,243 We didn't do nothing! We didn't do nothing! 317 00:20:47,676 --> 00:20:51,876 We didn't do nothing! 318 00:20:51,910 --> 00:20:53,576 - Get the niggers tied up! 319 00:20:53,610 --> 00:20:55,543 - Please don't kill us! 320 00:20:57,243 --> 00:20:58,476 All right. Get your rifle-- 321 00:20:58,510 --> 00:21:00,910 get your guns ready. 322 00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:04,176 - Please! - Please don't kill her. 323 00:21:04,210 --> 00:21:07,710 - Please don't kill me. Please don't kill me. 324 00:21:07,743 --> 00:21:09,210 No! No! 325 00:21:15,410 --> 00:21:19,043 - Make sure he's dead. 326 00:21:19,076 --> 00:21:20,443 - All right, one more time. Come on. 327 00:21:20,476 --> 00:21:22,076 Let's make sure that nigger's dead! 328 00:21:24,876 --> 00:21:27,343 - The baby. Get the baby. 329 00:21:27,376 --> 00:21:29,976 - Cover me, and we gonna back up. 330 00:21:30,010 --> 00:21:31,643 - And then open up when she gets the baby. 331 00:21:31,676 --> 00:21:33,710 Open up. 332 00:21:35,343 --> 00:21:37,576 Open up. 333 00:21:37,610 --> 00:21:39,610 - This good, boss? - That's real good. 334 00:21:39,643 --> 00:21:41,610 Real good. 335 00:21:44,443 --> 00:21:47,743 Lloyd, do you see anybody you know here? 336 00:21:47,776 --> 00:21:51,443 I'm asking you. You see anybody you know here? 337 00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:52,810 - No. - That's what I thought. 338 00:21:52,843 --> 00:21:55,043 Get him out of here. Get him the hell out of here. 339 00:22:13,910 --> 00:22:16,543 I don't think I've watched it since I did it. 340 00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:22,376 You can feel it out here. 341 00:22:22,410 --> 00:22:25,543 You can feel the spirit of those that died out here 342 00:22:25,576 --> 00:22:27,576 when we came out and we did-- 343 00:22:27,610 --> 00:22:30,510 you know, did just the rehearsal. 344 00:22:30,543 --> 00:22:32,510 Just since I've been here in this town, 345 00:22:32,543 --> 00:22:36,043 I see the way that they look at you 346 00:22:36,076 --> 00:22:39,176 and the--this feeling of 347 00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:41,710 "Nobody should say anything. We don't want to talk." 348 00:22:41,743 --> 00:22:43,643 You know. "Let's not talk about this." 349 00:22:57,643 --> 00:23:00,943 - Since 2005, Civil Rights activists 350 00:23:00,976 --> 00:23:03,410 have returned to the Moore's Ford Bridge 351 00:23:03,443 --> 00:23:06,310 to re-create the night two black couples, 352 00:23:06,343 --> 00:23:08,176 Roger and Dorothy Malcom 353 00:23:08,210 --> 00:23:10,410 and George and Mae Murray Dorsey, 354 00:23:10,443 --> 00:23:14,410 were lynched by the Ku Klux Klan in 1946. 355 00:23:14,443 --> 00:23:15,676 No one has ever-- 356 00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:17,543 - An outraged President Harry Truman 357 00:23:17,576 --> 00:23:19,176 ordered a federal investigation 358 00:23:19,210 --> 00:23:21,010 and a grand jury was convened, 359 00:23:21,043 --> 00:23:23,676 yet no indictments were brought for the killings. 360 00:23:23,710 --> 00:23:27,176 The FBI reopened its case in 2007. 361 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:28,643 Georgia state representatives-- 362 00:23:28,676 --> 00:23:31,210 - The reenactment serves as a dramatic call to action 363 00:23:31,243 --> 00:23:33,910 and an annual reminder to the Monroe community 364 00:23:33,943 --> 00:23:36,776 that an injustice has never been corrected. 365 00:23:36,810 --> 00:23:39,343 Chelsea Bailey, NBC News. 366 00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:45,010 - And this place is an eerie place, you know? 367 00:23:45,043 --> 00:23:50,576 I didn't remember until we came here today 368 00:23:50,610 --> 00:23:53,843 that we went up under this bridge 369 00:23:53,876 --> 00:23:56,043 and there was writings 370 00:23:56,076 --> 00:23:58,676 that the Ku Klux Klanhad put under this-- 371 00:23:58,710 --> 00:24:01,610 under this very bridgethat we're standing on. 372 00:24:01,643 --> 00:24:03,210 - Wow. 373 00:24:20,243 --> 00:24:23,910 because I'm helping to, - It m hopefully,l sad. 374 00:24:23,943 --> 00:24:28,443 bring some closure to what happened with these families. 375 00:24:30,976 --> 00:24:33,910 It's intense just watching the reenactment. 376 00:24:33,943 --> 00:24:36,076 It's intense thinking about the fact 377 00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:38,776 that it's getting ready to happen again. 378 00:24:48,843 --> 00:24:51,076 - All right, one more time. Sharice, I need you louder. 379 00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:53,810 Sharice? Action. 380 00:24:53,843 --> 00:24:55,443 - I don't care. I wanna know. This is my town. 381 00:24:55,476 --> 00:24:57,443 - I need you to stay. Please. - I wanna know. 382 00:24:57,476 --> 00:24:59,476 - Nigger, what are you doing on my land? 383 00:24:59,510 --> 00:25:01,310 - You have been with my wife! - Come on back. 384 00:25:01,343 --> 00:25:03,243 - You're a lying man! - What is going on? 385 00:25:03,276 --> 00:25:04,943 - Nigger, get off my land. 386 00:25:04,976 --> 00:25:06,343 - I'll get off your land when you-- 387 00:25:06,376 --> 00:25:08,243 - Roger-- 388 00:25:08,276 --> 00:25:10,243 - You still hit him upthe back, but that's good. 389 00:25:10,276 --> 00:25:12,143 Okay. Good. Good. 390 00:25:12,176 --> 00:25:13,876 - You killed him. 391 00:25:13,910 --> 00:25:15,310 - That's "Mr. Malcom" to you. 392 00:25:15,343 --> 00:25:17,876 Good. Okay. You all right, Mr. Barney? 393 00:25:17,910 --> 00:25:19,110 Yeah. 394 00:25:19,143 --> 00:25:20,610 That was good. Look. 395 00:25:20,643 --> 00:25:22,743 They keep wanting to stab you in your back, but it's okay. 396 00:25:22,776 --> 00:25:25,476 We'll get it in the front, I think. 397 00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:28,876 All right, so that's scene one. We're going to the next scene. 398 00:25:28,910 --> 00:25:30,510 I will be directing 399 00:25:30,543 --> 00:25:33,110 the Moore's Ford Bridge lynching reenactment 400 00:25:33,143 --> 00:25:35,576 for my third year this year. 401 00:25:35,610 --> 00:25:40,276 I've been doing plays for about 10 or 11 years now. 402 00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:43,776 It was all because of social issues that I saw 403 00:25:43,810 --> 00:25:47,176 that needed to be addressed that no one wanted to address, 404 00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:50,476 and those are the issues that I go for. 405 00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:54,543 Fire! 406 00:25:54,576 --> 00:25:56,510 No more moving. 407 00:25:56,543 --> 00:25:59,243 It wasn't just killing these people. 408 00:25:59,276 --> 00:26:01,310 It was overkill. 409 00:26:01,343 --> 00:26:03,610 They were shot so many times. 410 00:26:03,643 --> 00:26:06,743 Dorothy being pregnant didn't matter. 411 00:26:06,776 --> 00:26:08,576 Pulls it up. Yep. "Got it." 412 00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:11,176 "Got it, boss." Down. 413 00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:14,376 The baby was taken out of her body. 414 00:26:14,410 --> 00:26:16,410 A baby. 415 00:26:16,443 --> 00:26:18,043 Out of a woman's body. 416 00:26:18,076 --> 00:26:20,776 Whether black, white... 417 00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:24,043 so we really push that part 418 00:26:24,076 --> 00:26:28,510 so that they know that this was some sick stuff. 419 00:26:28,543 --> 00:26:30,643 - Okay. - All right, actors. 420 00:26:30,676 --> 00:26:33,076 How did y'all--how did y'all-- you all dead folk. 421 00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:35,243 How do y'all feel about-- y'all get up. 422 00:26:40,043 --> 00:26:42,943 This year, we're trying to bring in more actors 423 00:26:42,976 --> 00:26:44,643 to play Klansmen. 424 00:26:46,510 --> 00:26:49,843 Believe it or not, it's hard to get whites 425 00:26:49,876 --> 00:26:53,510 that live in the area to participate 426 00:26:53,543 --> 00:26:56,143 because a lot of people are actually afraid 427 00:26:56,176 --> 00:27:00,910 of coming out and facing what happened. 428 00:27:06,510 --> 00:27:10,110 When we go into Monroe, I mean, you can feel, 429 00:27:10,143 --> 00:27:13,610 like, "What the heck are you all doing here?" 430 00:27:17,743 --> 00:27:18,910 - Since I've been here, every year 431 00:27:18,943 --> 00:27:20,343 they have the reenactment, 432 00:27:20,376 --> 00:27:21,676 and in my opinion, 433 00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:22,976 leave the past in the past. 434 00:27:23,010 --> 00:27:24,643 Let these people rest. 435 00:27:26,410 --> 00:27:29,243 - You know, I directed the first two reenactments, 436 00:27:29,276 --> 00:27:31,943 and I had a whole crew of white people 437 00:27:31,976 --> 00:27:33,543 that played the Klan. 438 00:27:33,576 --> 00:27:34,876 And it was just two days 439 00:27:34,910 --> 00:27:37,243 before we were supposed to have the reenactment, 440 00:27:37,276 --> 00:27:39,210 and all these guys had backed out 441 00:27:39,243 --> 00:27:41,510 and were saying that they couldn't do it. 442 00:27:41,543 --> 00:27:44,710 So we used white masks and things on black people 443 00:27:44,743 --> 00:27:46,443 to play Klan that first year. 444 00:27:48,343 --> 00:27:50,676 - They had swastikas drawn on, and there were black people 445 00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:52,376 that had colored their faces in white, 446 00:27:52,410 --> 00:27:56,443 and could you imagine us doing a blackface reenactment? 447 00:27:56,476 --> 00:28:00,710 It would be on every news thing in the entire world. 448 00:28:00,743 --> 00:28:03,510 When you have a reenactment of something that horrific 449 00:28:03,543 --> 00:28:04,910 every single year, 450 00:28:04,943 --> 00:28:08,210 what does it teach young black people? 451 00:28:08,243 --> 00:28:10,610 But I think what we need to do is say, "That happened, 452 00:28:10,643 --> 00:28:12,510 but look where we are today." 453 00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:17,576 - I think it's one of the most greatest things 454 00:28:17,610 --> 00:28:19,976 that ever happened in Walton County 455 00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:22,043 because we--we want justice. 456 00:28:22,076 --> 00:28:26,310 We need justice, and that has not happened as of yet. 457 00:28:28,976 --> 00:28:34,543 - Any injustice affects everybody that's around it. 458 00:28:34,576 --> 00:28:38,243 So why are we so afraid of the truth coming out? 459 00:28:38,276 --> 00:28:41,176 Why are we so afraid to talk about it? 460 00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:44,476 And that's what the reenactment does-- 461 00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:46,676 Keeps it in the light. 462 00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:47,976 We don't want anything in the dark. 463 00:28:48,010 --> 00:28:49,576 Bring it to the light. 464 00:29:08,376 --> 00:29:12,810 - They desecrated the grave five days after he was buried. 465 00:29:12,843 --> 00:29:15,610 They took--took his flowers off of it 466 00:29:15,643 --> 00:29:17,510 and threw 'em way back over here, 467 00:29:17,543 --> 00:29:21,610 and the West Bladen Styrofoam WB, 468 00:29:21,643 --> 00:29:23,076 they took and broke it, 469 00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:25,510 threw it way over by the street. 470 00:29:25,543 --> 00:29:27,876 You see how the sand is? 471 00:29:27,910 --> 00:29:31,576 They had dug a hole deep enough where the guy, 472 00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:34,143 one of his classmates, stuck his arm way up here. 473 00:29:34,176 --> 00:29:35,810 He stuck his arm all the way in the hole 474 00:29:35,843 --> 00:29:38,110 where they had dug the grave--dug sand out of it 475 00:29:38,143 --> 00:29:40,943 like they were trying to dig up his grave, yeah. 476 00:29:40,976 --> 00:29:43,210 And they said it was not racial or a hate crime. 477 00:29:43,243 --> 00:29:46,276 I said, "I don't know why it wouldn't be." 478 00:29:53,610 --> 00:29:56,443 Lennon as an individual, losing his uncle, 479 00:29:56,476 --> 00:29:59,576 which is more or less like a grandfather, 480 00:29:59,610 --> 00:30:03,376 and then having his first major, serious breakup 481 00:30:03,410 --> 00:30:06,576 with a female, 482 00:30:06,610 --> 00:30:08,710 I guess people would say that would be a lot 483 00:30:08,743 --> 00:30:11,676 for a teenager to deal with, 484 00:30:11,710 --> 00:30:13,476 but Lennon was not a typical teenager. 485 00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:14,643 Like-- 486 00:30:14,676 --> 00:30:16,376 - Sorry, the... - Yeah. I know it. 487 00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:17,710 I know it. I hate that thing. 488 00:30:17,743 --> 00:30:18,743 - That was real good, though. You got it. 489 00:30:18,776 --> 00:30:20,676 - I hate that thing. 490 00:30:21,776 --> 00:30:23,176 But Lennon, when he was a child, 491 00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:24,743 he could not stand that thing. 492 00:30:24,776 --> 00:30:28,043 He would do this. He would scream. 493 00:30:28,076 --> 00:30:32,210 He would cover his ears. He did not like that train. 494 00:31:02,043 --> 00:31:04,476 He was the biggest kid I had, 495 00:31:04,510 --> 00:31:06,610 and I'm like, I gained a lot of weight, 496 00:31:06,643 --> 00:31:08,443 but trust me, running around behind Lennon, 497 00:31:08,476 --> 00:31:11,910 it was easy to get rid of 'cause he kept me running. 498 00:31:21,776 --> 00:31:24,343 - I think Lennon was about four. 499 00:31:24,376 --> 00:31:27,843 Pierre had taught him his ABCs by rap. 500 00:31:27,876 --> 00:31:31,976 He said, "a-A, a-B," and, it was hilarious. 501 00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:34,710 And Pierre was like-- 502 00:31:34,743 --> 00:31:37,076 he was like his hero. 503 00:31:38,776 --> 00:31:41,676 - Me and Lennon's relationship was kind of--I don't know. 504 00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:43,643 It was just like he was my influence 505 00:31:43,676 --> 00:31:46,510 as much as I was his influence, you know? 506 00:31:46,543 --> 00:31:48,976 I wanted to do better because he was-- 507 00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:51,376 I knew he was watching me and paying attention. 508 00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:56,510 His thing was football, and he was really good at it. 509 00:31:57,776 --> 00:32:02,843 My mom and Lennon moved to North Carolina in 2012. 510 00:32:02,876 --> 00:32:04,076 He took it hard because 511 00:32:04,110 --> 00:32:06,543 he really didn't want to leave. 512 00:32:06,576 --> 00:32:08,743 He was born in Virginia; he lived in Virginia. 513 00:32:08,776 --> 00:32:11,110 He wanted to go to college in Virginia. 514 00:32:11,143 --> 00:32:14,676 So I had to... 515 00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:16,276 You know, persuade him that it'll be okay, 516 00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:18,443 that you're gonna make new friends, 517 00:32:18,476 --> 00:32:21,343 and then he would calm down. He'd be like, "You're right. 518 00:32:21,376 --> 00:32:22,876 That's why I'm glad I called you," you know? 519 00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:24,710 We would have those... 520 00:32:24,743 --> 00:32:28,010 I would just be like, "Man, you got a lot of growing up to do, 521 00:32:28,043 --> 00:32:29,876 but you'll be all right. You know what I'm saying?" 522 00:32:32,576 --> 00:32:34,976 - I was born in Bladen County, Bladenboro, 523 00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:36,510 right here in this same town. 524 00:32:36,543 --> 00:32:39,510 So he made it his home because he had a lot of family here. 525 00:32:41,776 --> 00:32:43,476 The neighbors here-- 526 00:32:43,510 --> 00:32:45,610 there was only him and Justin Jones 527 00:32:45,643 --> 00:32:48,510 and Trey Hudson. 528 00:32:48,543 --> 00:32:50,276 They were the only three teenage boys 529 00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:51,443 in this neighborhood. 530 00:32:51,476 --> 00:32:52,843 You wouldn't see one without the other. 531 00:32:52,876 --> 00:32:55,343 You would see Justin coming down past my house. 532 00:32:55,376 --> 00:32:56,910 He'd get Lennon, and then they'd go over 533 00:32:56,943 --> 00:32:59,043 to Trey's or vice versa. 534 00:33:00,676 --> 00:33:03,643 - Lennon was funny, protective, 535 00:33:03,676 --> 00:33:06,976 just an all-around good friend. 536 00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:08,710 You couldn't ask for a better friend. 537 00:33:10,776 --> 00:33:13,710 We'd hang out like teenagers do. 538 00:33:13,743 --> 00:33:15,443 Walk to the park at night. 539 00:33:15,476 --> 00:33:16,943 He had asthma, 540 00:33:16,976 --> 00:33:19,276 so he wanted to walk at night, and I was like, "All right." 541 00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:22,610 He'd come get me about 1:00 in the morning. 542 00:33:22,643 --> 00:33:26,776 Yeah, Lennon didn't drink, didn't smoke, didn't do drugs. 543 00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:29,410 He'd drink water and Powerade. 544 00:33:29,443 --> 00:33:31,476 - Hey, how you doing? 545 00:33:33,576 --> 00:33:35,776 - We'd talk a lot. We'd talk about everything. 546 00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:37,476 Like brothers. Every day. 547 00:33:37,510 --> 00:33:40,176 I have a tattoo of himon my arm. 548 00:33:40,210 --> 00:33:41,376 Lennon Lacy. 549 00:33:46,810 --> 00:33:48,910 - We had so many good times. Like... 550 00:33:48,943 --> 00:33:49,976 he was funny. 551 00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:53,010 He was funny. 552 00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:04,676 But... 553 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:08,176 yeah, he was--he was like my brother, though. 554 00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:17,443 - Yeah, I know it must be difficult. 555 00:34:17,476 --> 00:34:18,676 You must miss him. 556 00:34:23,776 --> 00:34:26,376 - I only knew him for two years, 557 00:34:26,410 --> 00:34:31,076 but them two years, we were like that. 558 00:34:33,010 --> 00:34:34,743 He's still in all of our minds. 559 00:34:34,776 --> 00:34:37,076 We're not gonna let it go. 560 00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:40,176 We just want to know what happened, 561 00:34:40,210 --> 00:34:44,676 but all of us think it's not a suicide. 562 00:34:48,843 --> 00:34:53,576 - From day one, nothing was done right. 563 00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:56,343 They found my brother on a Friday night. 564 00:34:56,376 --> 00:35:00,076 They put us on hold because it was-- 565 00:35:00,110 --> 00:35:03,110 I think it was like, Memorial Day, Labor Day, 566 00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:04,476 one of them days. 567 00:35:04,510 --> 00:35:08,476 It didn't make no sense. The police station was closed. 568 00:35:10,476 --> 00:35:13,743 We sat there with no answers from Friday night 569 00:35:13,776 --> 00:35:15,910 until Tuesday. 570 00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:20,176 Then they, on Tuesday-- 571 00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:24,210 they come to the house and then they tell my mom, 572 00:35:24,243 --> 00:35:27,643 "Sorry for your loss. It was suicide." 573 00:35:27,676 --> 00:35:30,443 And then they walk back outside. 574 00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:33,976 So I asked them- -I'm like, 575 00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:35,476 "Well, how did you get to that point? 576 00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:37,510 What did you rule out?" 577 00:35:37,543 --> 00:35:39,176 One of his response was, 578 00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:42,943 "Are you telling me that I didn't do my job?" 579 00:35:42,976 --> 00:35:44,543 I said, "Well, I'm not telling you 580 00:35:44,576 --> 00:35:46,076 "that you didn't do your job. 581 00:35:46,110 --> 00:35:50,076 I'm just saying you could do your job better." 582 00:35:50,110 --> 00:35:52,976 He said, "Well, if you know anything 583 00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:57,543 "or if you have any information that you come up with, 584 00:35:57,576 --> 00:35:59,643 give me a call and let me know." 585 00:36:01,876 --> 00:36:03,343 I said, "Okay." 586 00:36:03,376 --> 00:36:05,143 I said, "If I find out anything, 587 00:36:05,176 --> 00:36:07,510 I'll call you and let you know." 588 00:36:07,543 --> 00:36:11,776 And I did. I found out a whole lot of stuff. 589 00:36:11,810 --> 00:36:15,643 I found out way more stuff than he found out. 590 00:36:23,610 --> 00:36:25,610 - I've been working on murder cases 591 00:36:25,643 --> 00:36:27,076 in the state of North Carolina 592 00:36:27,110 --> 00:36:30,143 for almost 20 years. 593 00:36:31,443 --> 00:36:35,010 Claudia is a remarkably strong woman 594 00:36:35,043 --> 00:36:38,210 but was so emotionally raw 595 00:36:38,243 --> 00:36:40,676 that Pierre really did step up 596 00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:45,376 and take on a central role in the investigation. 597 00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:48,010 When I started looking at the steps law enforcement took 598 00:36:48,043 --> 00:36:49,643 and I started interviewing people 599 00:36:49,676 --> 00:36:51,576 like the local medical examiner, 600 00:36:51,610 --> 00:36:53,643 who told me that he was trying 601 00:36:53,676 --> 00:36:55,410 to take pictures of the death scene, 602 00:36:55,443 --> 00:36:59,043 and law enforcement seized his camera from him-- 603 00:36:59,076 --> 00:37:02,843 which, in 16 years of working on murder cases, 604 00:37:02,876 --> 00:37:06,043 I have never heard that before. 605 00:37:08,543 --> 00:37:10,276 The SBI stands for 606 00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:13,410 the "North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation." 607 00:37:13,443 --> 00:37:15,076 What concerned me about this case 608 00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:17,976 was that they brought in Agent Paul Songalewski, 609 00:37:18,010 --> 00:37:20,510 who had never investigated a homicide. 610 00:37:20,543 --> 00:37:25,110 He's brought in whenever there's a suspected suicide. 611 00:37:25,143 --> 00:37:26,410 When you're approaching 612 00:37:26,443 --> 00:37:28,776 any sort of death scene investigation, 613 00:37:28,810 --> 00:37:32,610 you want to make sure that these are seasoned detectives 614 00:37:32,643 --> 00:37:34,010 that know the importance 615 00:37:34,043 --> 00:37:36,176 of preserving the forensic evidence 616 00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:38,843 to ensure that it's not a homicide 617 00:37:38,876 --> 00:37:41,510 that is staged to look like a suicide. 618 00:37:43,643 --> 00:37:45,476 Based on my investigation, 619 00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:47,010 I feel strongly that 620 00:37:47,043 --> 00:37:49,310 whoever made that call to bring him in 621 00:37:49,343 --> 00:37:53,210 wanted this investigation to be steered a certain direction. 622 00:37:59,310 --> 00:38:01,710 In that part of the state, particularly 623 00:38:01,743 --> 00:38:05,176 all the way across along the South Carolina line, 624 00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:09,943 it's a belt that is known for white supremacist history, 625 00:38:09,976 --> 00:38:12,010 particularly during the Civil Rights movement 626 00:38:12,043 --> 00:38:15,676 because there was still a very heavy KKK presence 627 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:17,976 and a lot of intimidation by people 628 00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:21,676 who were in positions of power at that point. 629 00:38:25,176 --> 00:38:27,210 But that isn't ancient history, 630 00:38:27,243 --> 00:38:30,943 and a lot of the people involved in lynchings 631 00:38:30,976 --> 00:38:34,076 and covering up the lynchings, they're still around today, 632 00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:36,610 some of which are still in law enforcement 633 00:38:36,643 --> 00:38:38,676 and their children are in law enforcement. 634 00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:41,710 - White power! 635 00:38:41,743 --> 00:38:44,510 - This black community has felt 636 00:38:44,543 --> 00:38:47,543 that law enforcement had not been addressing its needs 637 00:38:47,576 --> 00:38:50,076 for a long time in Bladenboro. 638 00:38:50,110 --> 00:38:53,076 They had felt there was a lot of police misconduct. 639 00:38:54,543 --> 00:38:59,110 Between 2002-2006, there was a large federal investigation 640 00:38:59,143 --> 00:39:01,243 in Bladen County and Robeson County 641 00:39:01,276 --> 00:39:03,843 that led to the arrest of police officers 642 00:39:03,876 --> 00:39:06,243 who were actually heavily involved 643 00:39:06,276 --> 00:39:08,910 in narcotics trafficking. 644 00:39:08,943 --> 00:39:11,243 They would also pull over drivers 645 00:39:11,276 --> 00:39:13,143 of African American descent. 646 00:39:13,176 --> 00:39:14,643 They would harass them for money, 647 00:39:14,676 --> 00:39:16,643 take the money, and then let them go, 648 00:39:16,676 --> 00:39:19,176 and it would never be documented. 649 00:39:19,210 --> 00:39:20,710 So you had concerns 650 00:39:20,743 --> 00:39:23,310 from the African American community: 651 00:39:23,343 --> 00:39:26,176 "Was there more to this story? What happened? 652 00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:27,710 This doesn't make sense." 653 00:39:31,343 --> 00:39:34,710 As I started researching black males 654 00:39:34,743 --> 00:39:36,243 committing suicide in public, 655 00:39:36,276 --> 00:39:38,776 and I realized there had been almost 20 black males 656 00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:43,110 found hanging in public parks over just the last few years-- 657 00:39:43,143 --> 00:39:44,743 and when I realized 658 00:39:44,776 --> 00:39:48,076 how quickly law enforcement that responded to those scenes 659 00:39:48,110 --> 00:39:51,310 deemed those deaths suicide, 660 00:39:51,343 --> 00:39:53,943 I became quite concerned that there may be 661 00:39:53,976 --> 00:39:58,043 a bigger surreptitious movement at play, here. 662 00:39:58,076 --> 00:40:00,810 Evidence in this case suggests that steps taken 663 00:40:00,843 --> 00:40:04,710 by responding officers and investigators 664 00:40:04,743 --> 00:40:08,210 failed to meet even the minimum accepted guidelines 665 00:40:08,243 --> 00:40:11,576 and practices for death scene investigations. 666 00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:14,776 That is a large part of the reason 667 00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:19,143 we have been compelled to ask the U.S. Department of Justice 668 00:40:19,176 --> 00:40:21,376 and the FBI to conduct its own investigation 669 00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:22,876 into the death of Lennon Lacy. 670 00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:24,310 Thank you. 671 00:40:26,876 --> 00:40:29,343 - An autopsy for a Bladen County teen found dead 672 00:40:29,376 --> 00:40:32,876 in August shows no indication of foul play. 673 00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:35,010 - The response that occurred in this case 674 00:40:35,043 --> 00:40:37,110 and the investigation which has followed 675 00:40:37,143 --> 00:40:39,176 has been nothing short of professional, 676 00:40:39,210 --> 00:40:41,576 and I'm proud to be a part of this outfit. 677 00:40:41,610 --> 00:40:43,276 - The family certainly don't think so, 678 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:44,943 and I have to say, having been down there 679 00:40:44,976 --> 00:40:46,610 and spent quite a bit of time on this story... 680 00:40:46,643 --> 00:40:47,610 - Yeah. - It doesn't look 681 00:40:47,643 --> 00:40:48,776 very professional to me. 682 00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:59,743 - We march today. Why? 683 00:40:59,776 --> 00:41:05,143 the truth about Lennon's death. 684 00:41:06,976 --> 00:41:09,476 - The medical examiner noted that she was not presented 685 00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:11,476 with any photographs or dimensions 686 00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:13,376 of that swing set in question, 687 00:41:13,410 --> 00:41:15,343 meaning that it was impossible for her to know 688 00:41:15,376 --> 00:41:19,376 with absolute certainty that Lennon Lacy had hung himself. 689 00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:22,743 - The last time Claudia Lacy saw her 17 year-old son, 690 00:41:22,776 --> 00:41:24,210 Lennon Lacy, 691 00:41:24,243 --> 00:41:26,143 was around the time he snapped this selfie. 692 00:41:26,176 --> 00:41:29,176 "Last night pic before the game." 693 00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:31,810 - That does not sound like a person that was planning 694 00:41:31,843 --> 00:41:33,943 on killing himself. 695 00:41:33,976 --> 00:41:36,743 State Bureau of Investigation and Bladen Police 696 00:41:36,776 --> 00:41:39,410 never searched his room for a suicide note. 697 00:41:39,443 --> 00:41:41,743 They never asked me for his cell phone. 698 00:41:41,776 --> 00:41:44,543 - Lacy says she told state investigators the belts used 699 00:41:44,576 --> 00:41:47,443 to fashion the noose did not belong to Lennon. 700 00:41:47,476 --> 00:41:50,043 And Lennon's family says he left home that night 701 00:41:50,076 --> 00:41:52,410 wearing size 12 Air Jordans, 702 00:41:52,443 --> 00:41:54,076 but he was found wearing 703 00:41:54,110 --> 00:41:56,243 these size 10 1/2 Air Force Ones. 704 00:41:56,276 --> 00:41:59,543 - No one knows what happened that terrible night, 705 00:41:59,576 --> 00:42:02,110 August 28-29, 706 00:42:02,143 --> 00:42:05,843 59 years to the day after the death of Emmett Till. 707 00:42:07,543 --> 00:42:10,243 - Local news covered a Ku Klux Klan rally in a nearby county 708 00:42:10,276 --> 00:42:12,943 just weeks before Lennon's body was found. 709 00:42:12,976 --> 00:42:14,243 - Go to work! 710 00:42:17,643 --> 00:42:19,110 - When I saw Lennon Lacy, 711 00:42:19,143 --> 00:42:21,776 he looked as if he'd been in a fight. 712 00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:25,143 I've seen guys that I've dealt with in mortuary science 713 00:42:25,176 --> 00:42:26,843 that had been in barroom fights, 714 00:42:26,876 --> 00:42:27,943 and that's what it looked like. 715 00:42:27,976 --> 00:42:29,043 It looked like somebody 716 00:42:29,076 --> 00:42:31,810 that had not survived a barroom fight. 717 00:42:31,843 --> 00:42:34,476 He had some bruises along the side of his temple. 718 00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:36,643 I saw lacerations. 719 00:42:36,676 --> 00:42:37,976 He wasn't marked up here; 720 00:42:38,010 --> 00:42:40,776 he was marked up on his forearm on the outside, 721 00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:42,876 consistent with defending yourself. 722 00:42:42,910 --> 00:42:44,210 I know this is a murder. 723 00:42:44,243 --> 00:42:46,476 I believe it and understand it and see it. 724 00:42:46,510 --> 00:42:48,310 You know, I just thought I was one of many 725 00:42:48,343 --> 00:42:49,943 who'd come to the clear understanding 726 00:42:49,976 --> 00:42:52,076 of what had taken place here. 727 00:42:53,876 --> 00:42:58,943 - Claudia Lacy has a right to refuse to be comforted. 728 00:42:58,976 --> 00:43:01,510 She has a right. Pierre has a right. 729 00:43:01,543 --> 00:43:03,176 These young babies have a right. 730 00:43:03,210 --> 00:43:07,076 This community has a right to demand more investigation 731 00:43:07,110 --> 00:43:10,676 and refuse to be comforted by easy answers. 732 00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:12,710 This was... 733 00:43:12,743 --> 00:43:15,510 this is her son. 734 00:43:15,543 --> 00:43:16,676 That's right. 735 00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:19,610 - We want you to hear his name. 736 00:43:19,643 --> 00:43:21,810 - Somebody say it. Lennon... - Lennon... 737 00:43:21,843 --> 00:43:23,376 - Lacy. - Lacy! 738 00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:24,743 - Lennon... - Lennon. 739 00:43:24,776 --> 00:43:25,976 - Lacy! - Lacy! 740 00:43:26,010 --> 00:43:27,343 - Lennon! - Lennon! 741 00:43:27,376 --> 00:43:28,376 - Lacy! - Lacy! 742 00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:29,576 - Lennon! - Lennon! 743 00:43:29,610 --> 00:43:30,710 - Lacy! - Lacy! 744 00:43:30,743 --> 00:43:31,943 - Lennon! - Lennon! 745 00:43:31,976 --> 00:43:33,210 - Lacy! - Lacy! 746 00:43:33,243 --> 00:43:34,743 - Justice! - Justice! 747 00:43:34,776 --> 00:43:35,843 - Now! - Now! 748 00:43:35,876 --> 00:43:38,610 - Don't be calm. Be concerned. 749 00:43:38,643 --> 00:43:41,610 A child has died! 750 00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:51,143 - When do you want it? - Now! 751 00:43:51,176 --> 00:43:53,176 - What do you want? - Justice! 752 00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:54,610 - When do you want it? - Now! 753 00:43:54,643 --> 00:43:59,776 - What do you want? - Justice! 754 00:43:59,810 --> 00:44:06,943 - When do you want it? - Now! 755 00:44:06,976 --> 00:44:09,176 - The FBI has announced that it will investigate 756 00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:10,910 the case of Lennon Lacy 757 00:44:10,943 --> 00:44:13,010 to determine whether the 17 year-old's death 758 00:44:13,043 --> 00:44:16,810 was a suicide or actually the result of a lynching. 759 00:44:16,843 --> 00:44:19,276 Lacy's family and friends have been pushing 760 00:44:19,310 --> 00:44:21,110 for the federal investigation. 761 00:44:21,143 --> 00:44:23,210 The county coroner also says he now questions 762 00:44:23,243 --> 00:44:24,543 if it was a suicide. 763 00:44:24,576 --> 00:44:26,010 - Lennon! - Lennon! 764 00:44:26,043 --> 00:44:28,010 - Lacy! - Lacy! 765 00:44:28,043 --> 00:44:29,476 - Lennon! - Lennon! 766 00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:31,843 - Lacy! - Lacy! 767 00:44:31,876 --> 00:44:33,443 - Lennon! - Lennon! 768 00:44:33,476 --> 00:44:36,376 - Lacy! - Lacy! 769 00:44:42,143 --> 00:44:45,910 - "October 26, 1934. 770 00:44:45,943 --> 00:44:47,776 "To the Honorable David Sholtz, 771 00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:51,010 "governor, Tallahassee, Florida. 772 00:44:51,043 --> 00:44:53,476 "Associated Press just informed us 773 00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:55,910 "that a mob will take Claude Neal, 774 00:44:55,943 --> 00:44:57,910 "tie him to a stake, 775 00:44:57,943 --> 00:45:00,110 "and permit the father of the dead girl 776 00:45:00,143 --> 00:45:03,876 "to light fire to burn Neal to death. 777 00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:06,510 "Stop. 778 00:45:06,543 --> 00:45:09,410 "We urge upon you to take immediate steps 779 00:45:09,443 --> 00:45:14,210 "to rescue negro from mob and place him in safe custody. 780 00:45:14,243 --> 00:45:15,910 "Stop. 781 00:45:18,910 --> 00:45:21,476 "Walter White, secretary, 782 00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:22,943 "National Association 783 00:45:22,976 --> 00:45:24,943 for the Advancement of Colored People." 784 00:45:32,776 --> 00:45:38,310 - Well, we moved to Atlanta before I turned three, 785 00:45:38,343 --> 00:45:41,076 so I spent my earliest years here. 786 00:45:41,110 --> 00:45:44,643 And my Granddaddy Reeves was a textile mill worker 787 00:45:44,676 --> 00:45:47,043 in a textile mill in north Georgia. 788 00:45:47,076 --> 00:45:50,410 He raised five children through the Great Depression, 789 00:45:50,443 --> 00:45:55,543 and I found out many years later from my grandmother 790 00:45:55,576 --> 00:45:57,076 something that I never would've guessed, 791 00:45:57,110 --> 00:46:00,843 and that was that he had been, at some point, 792 00:46:00,876 --> 00:46:03,010 a member of the Ku Klux Klan. 793 00:46:03,043 --> 00:46:06,410 And consequently I got involved with a local organization 794 00:46:06,443 --> 00:46:08,343 that monitored hate groups, 795 00:46:08,376 --> 00:46:11,543 and I volunteered to do infiltration work at rallies 796 00:46:11,576 --> 00:46:12,876 and other gatherings 797 00:46:12,910 --> 00:46:15,343 to see what kind of information I could gather. 798 00:46:15,376 --> 00:46:17,643 And that's when I realized 799 00:46:17,676 --> 00:46:20,876 that Klan and white supremacist groups in general 800 00:46:20,910 --> 00:46:23,543 had undergone a metamorphosis. 801 00:46:23,576 --> 00:46:24,910 You had newer groups 802 00:46:24,943 --> 00:46:28,676 that were openly worshipful of Adolf Hitler 803 00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:30,810 and his whole ideology. 804 00:46:30,843 --> 00:46:34,943 That indicated that we weren't talking about a moribund group 805 00:46:34,976 --> 00:46:37,443 that was going to fade away. 806 00:46:37,476 --> 00:46:39,143 - While we're waiting for the guys, 807 00:46:39,176 --> 00:46:41,210 can you go through your speech for us, please? 808 00:46:41,243 --> 00:46:45,410 - It is posted online if youwant to get an idea of it, 809 00:46:45,443 --> 00:46:48,710 and there's one pointat which one of the people 810 00:46:48,743 --> 00:46:50,376 in the crowd will call out, 811 00:46:50,410 --> 00:46:52,976 "What about those lyingAtlanta newspapers here?" 812 00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:54,276 - Who's doing that? 813 00:46:54,310 --> 00:46:55,576 We gonna stop right there. Who's gonna do that? 814 00:46:55,610 --> 00:46:57,010 - Well, we're looking forsomebody with a good voice-- 815 00:46:57,043 --> 00:46:59,576 The reason why I felt called upon 816 00:46:59,610 --> 00:47:04,143 to do the Governor Talmadge speech at the reenactment 817 00:47:04,176 --> 00:47:10,310 is that Eugene Talmadge was essentially the Klan candidate 818 00:47:10,343 --> 00:47:12,043 for governor here in Georgia. 819 00:47:14,610 --> 00:47:17,410 When I discovered that Governor Talmadge 820 00:47:17,443 --> 00:47:20,410 had actually given one of his race-baiting stump speeches 821 00:47:20,443 --> 00:47:23,176 in Monroe, Georgia, 822 00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:26,510 prior to the murders at the ford, 823 00:47:26,543 --> 00:47:29,143 I felt it was necessary that we should have 824 00:47:29,176 --> 00:47:32,143 a historically accurate presentation 825 00:47:32,176 --> 00:47:35,943 of exactly what the folks in Monroe would've heard. 826 00:48:03,843 --> 00:48:05,710 'Cause I am dedicated. 827 00:48:09,643 --> 00:48:11,643 - Just want to remind you 828 00:48:11,676 --> 00:48:12,910 that the poor dirt farmer's 829 00:48:12,943 --> 00:48:15,676 got only three friends on this earth. 830 00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:21,043 That's God, Sears Roebuck, and Eugene Talmadge. 831 00:48:21,076 --> 00:48:23,610 And Eugene Talmadge. 832 00:48:25,076 --> 00:48:28,343 This state was essentially run 833 00:48:28,376 --> 00:48:31,343 on the basis of terrorism. 834 00:48:32,243 --> 00:48:34,043 Until we come to grips with the fact 835 00:48:34,076 --> 00:48:37,076 that this has happened repeatedly, 836 00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:39,110 we're always going to be in danger 837 00:48:39,143 --> 00:48:42,776 of relapsing into that kind of horror again, 838 00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:45,576 and it seems to me, as a son of the South, 839 00:48:45,610 --> 00:48:47,943 that I have a responsibility to do everything I can 840 00:48:47,976 --> 00:48:50,110 to make sure that doesn't happen. 841 00:49:33,376 --> 00:49:37,076 - I grew up in Henry County. Dad was Klan. 842 00:49:37,110 --> 00:49:40,243 We had a big, black Lincoln Mercury, 843 00:49:40,276 --> 00:49:43,343 and Dad had a tall, red cross 844 00:49:43,376 --> 00:49:45,710 that he mounted on the hood of the car. 845 00:49:45,743 --> 00:49:49,276 He had an extra battery under the hood that ran it. 846 00:49:49,310 --> 00:49:51,576 And when it was not in use, 847 00:49:51,610 --> 00:49:53,143 it was stored in the closet in my room. 848 00:49:53,176 --> 00:49:55,910 My room was on the very back part of the house, 849 00:49:55,943 --> 00:49:57,676 and my closet was the very smallest, 850 00:49:57,710 --> 00:50:00,276 most personal, quiet place in the house 851 00:50:00,310 --> 00:50:02,510 that nobody was likely to look. 852 00:50:05,276 --> 00:50:10,110 - My dad was part of the command of the Klan. 853 00:50:10,143 --> 00:50:13,376 He worked with Dr. Green. 854 00:50:13,410 --> 00:50:15,076 We went to a lot of rallies, 855 00:50:15,110 --> 00:50:18,510 a lot of bonfires, a lot of parades. 856 00:50:18,543 --> 00:50:21,643 A lot of the rallies were at Stone Mountain. 857 00:50:21,676 --> 00:50:23,276 At time, it was kind of awesome. 858 00:50:23,310 --> 00:50:25,943 You know, it was, like, lights and action, 859 00:50:25,976 --> 00:50:29,076 and there were a lot of other children to play with. 860 00:50:29,110 --> 00:50:30,176 That was fun. 861 00:50:30,210 --> 00:50:33,676 But--but then it got pretty scary too. 862 00:50:39,276 --> 00:50:40,943 This was when they were getting ready to go away 863 00:50:40,976 --> 00:50:44,110 on their trip after the wedding. 864 00:50:44,143 --> 00:50:46,376 I knew the Talmadges. 865 00:50:46,410 --> 00:50:49,243 My dad and Eugene were friends, 866 00:50:49,276 --> 00:50:51,610 so being one of the ladies 867 00:50:51,643 --> 00:50:53,643 that supported the Talmadges was really easy for me. 868 00:50:53,676 --> 00:50:56,410 That wasn't something I had to figure out how to do. 869 00:50:58,010 --> 00:51:00,643 That's my favorite picture of my mother. 870 00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:04,776 My mother was kind and gentle woman. 871 00:51:04,810 --> 00:51:07,776 She didn't know how to deal with my daddy either. 872 00:51:07,810 --> 00:51:10,143 There're many times that she's apologized, 873 00:51:10,176 --> 00:51:12,143 after we got to be adults, 874 00:51:12,176 --> 00:51:16,543 for the things she let us be subjected to. 875 00:51:16,576 --> 00:51:20,043 I was three years old when I saw my father 876 00:51:20,076 --> 00:51:22,476 and his friends hang a black man. 877 00:51:27,010 --> 00:51:29,843 It was late, 878 00:51:29,876 --> 00:51:32,776 and the fire was roaring. 879 00:51:32,810 --> 00:51:36,443 And the men were there in their robes. 880 00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:41,343 Mother and my sister and I stayed in the car. 881 00:51:44,576 --> 00:51:49,410 And then some of the men arrived with the black man. 882 00:51:53,076 --> 00:51:57,410 The Klan had the man's hands bound. 883 00:51:57,443 --> 00:52:01,443 I could tell there was something wrong, 884 00:52:01,476 --> 00:52:03,843 but I didn't understand what 885 00:52:03,876 --> 00:52:06,676 until they hung him. 886 00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:10,076 And when I saw it happening, 887 00:52:10,110 --> 00:52:12,610 my mother reached around me and put her hand over my mouth 888 00:52:12,643 --> 00:52:14,276 and pulled me to her 889 00:52:14,310 --> 00:52:16,476 so that I wouldn't speak out loud. 890 00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:24,643 It was hard to believe that that was really my dad 891 00:52:24,676 --> 00:52:26,276 and his friends that I knew 892 00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:29,976 that ate fish and hushpuppies at the house. 893 00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:34,143 But it was. It was the same people. 894 00:52:34,176 --> 00:52:36,743 I never knew any of the details except what I witnessed, 895 00:52:36,776 --> 00:52:39,576 and I was too afraid to ask. 896 00:52:39,610 --> 00:52:43,076 I never talked about it until Daddy died. 897 00:52:43,110 --> 00:52:46,610 - It's all drawn from stuff that Talmadge actually said. 898 00:52:46,643 --> 00:52:49,210 - Some of the people involved in the reenactment 899 00:52:49,243 --> 00:52:50,643 are involved in it for the sheer purpose 900 00:52:50,676 --> 00:52:53,143 of finding the guilty parties. 901 00:52:53,176 --> 00:52:55,543 But for me, 902 00:52:55,576 --> 00:52:58,043 something's going to alter the conversation 903 00:52:58,076 --> 00:53:00,676 we have about race, 904 00:53:00,710 --> 00:53:04,243 and if it's a reenactment, wonderful. 905 00:53:04,276 --> 00:53:06,610 We all need to keep doing whatever it is 906 00:53:06,643 --> 00:53:08,543 we think will make the difference. 907 00:53:08,576 --> 00:53:10,710 - Well, who was-- who said they'd say, 908 00:53:10,743 --> 00:53:12,576 "Four dead niggers are better than one"? 909 00:53:12,610 --> 00:53:14,143 John? No-- - No, that wasn't me. 910 00:53:14,176 --> 00:53:16,143 - Not you. Who's the one that said it? 911 00:53:16,176 --> 00:53:18,543 Not you. 912 00:53:18,576 --> 00:53:21,410 You need to talk to me. Do you want to say it? 913 00:53:21,443 --> 00:53:23,810 Okay. You scared me. 914 00:53:23,843 --> 00:53:27,076 Okay, so I need somebody that will say, 915 00:53:27,110 --> 00:53:30,376 "Four dead niggers are better than one." 916 00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:32,943 You gonna say that? Yeah, say that. 917 00:53:32,976 --> 00:53:35,243 I mean, let's--yeah, that makes it easier. 918 00:53:35,276 --> 00:53:37,143 Okay, Roger? 919 00:53:49,476 --> 00:53:52,776 - Move it out. Thank you. 920 00:53:52,810 --> 00:53:54,576 Thank you for your cooperation. 921 00:53:54,610 --> 00:53:57,510 We have over a hundred cars in the motorcade. 922 00:54:00,776 --> 00:54:02,610 - I'm Martha Dorsey. 923 00:54:02,643 --> 00:54:05,976 My grandfather and George were brothers. 924 00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:09,810 - I wish I had came before, but this is my first time. 925 00:54:09,843 --> 00:54:13,476 And I am tremendously enjoying myself 926 00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:15,943 to learn about my history. 927 00:54:19,076 --> 00:54:20,910 - I don't know if it's a good thing or not. 928 00:54:20,943 --> 00:54:23,010 I appreciate what they're doing, 929 00:54:23,043 --> 00:54:24,376 and hopefully, they'll eventually, 930 00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:28,443 one day bring the remaining killers to justice. 931 00:54:28,476 --> 00:54:31,610 - The hurt is still there. 932 00:54:46,043 --> 00:54:49,310 - We want that nigger Roger! 933 00:54:49,343 --> 00:54:52,143 You is a dead man, boy. 934 00:54:52,176 --> 00:54:55,076 - No! - Take him down! 935 00:54:55,110 --> 00:54:56,076 - Let them go! 936 00:54:56,110 --> 00:54:58,543 This isn't right! 937 00:54:58,576 --> 00:55:02,510 - Please give me everything y'all got. 938 00:55:02,543 --> 00:55:05,543 Every emotion. Everything. 939 00:55:05,576 --> 00:55:07,043 Okay? - Yes, ma'am. 940 00:55:07,076 --> 00:55:09,343 - Because these were people's lives that were lost, 941 00:55:09,376 --> 00:55:11,410 and I need everything you all got. 942 00:55:11,443 --> 00:55:12,910 Okay. 943 00:55:18,343 --> 00:55:19,576 Action. 944 00:55:19,610 --> 00:55:21,243 - All right, boys, take 'em down there. 945 00:55:30,743 --> 00:55:33,443 - What are you doing? 946 00:55:33,476 --> 00:55:37,176 - We're making an example to all the niggers in Georgia. 947 00:55:37,210 --> 00:55:40,076 You don't touch a white man. 948 00:55:40,110 --> 00:55:42,510 - Leave Roger alone. - What are you doing? 949 00:55:52,243 --> 00:55:54,910 - Let's go see. Check 'em out. - Check the other one. 950 00:55:54,943 --> 00:55:57,443 - Hold on. All right, now. 951 00:55:57,476 --> 00:55:58,743 - Roger! 952 00:56:08,643 --> 00:56:10,910 - That's victory for white Christianity. 953 00:56:10,943 --> 00:56:12,476 Good job. 954 00:56:12,510 --> 00:56:14,710 - Whoo. - Good job. 955 00:56:14,743 --> 00:56:15,976 - Whoo-ee. - Good job. 956 00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:19,110 - Good work. Good work. - That'll teach him! 957 00:56:19,143 --> 00:56:20,376 That'll teach him! - Where is he? 958 00:56:20,410 --> 00:56:22,010 - That'll teach him. - Good job, men. 959 00:56:23,543 --> 00:56:24,776 - Is this good, boss? 960 00:56:27,576 --> 00:56:30,910 - That's real nice, Johnny. That's real nice. 961 00:56:30,943 --> 00:56:32,510 - What'd he do? - Pulled the baby out. 962 00:56:52,076 --> 00:56:55,443 - That's why. Because it's history. 963 00:56:55,476 --> 00:56:57,976 To bring the history to them. 964 00:57:28,110 --> 00:57:30,743 - "First they cut off his penis, 965 00:57:30,776 --> 00:57:33,810 and he was made to eat it." 966 00:57:37,410 --> 00:57:41,710 "Then they sliced his sides and stomach with knives, 967 00:57:41,743 --> 00:57:43,076 "and every now and then, 968 00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:47,143 "somebody would cut off a finger or a toe. 969 00:57:48,943 --> 00:57:52,476 "From time to time, a rope would be tied around his neck, 970 00:57:52,510 --> 00:57:54,043 "and he was pulled over a limb 971 00:57:54,076 --> 00:57:57,343 "and held there until he almost choked to death. 972 00:57:59,210 --> 00:58:03,776 After several hours, they decided just to kill him." 973 00:58:07,476 --> 00:58:09,376 "Then the crowd came by, 974 00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:13,376 "and some kicked him and some drove their cars over him. 975 00:58:13,410 --> 00:58:17,876 "After slashing and shooting him into mincemeat, 976 00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:20,343 "the mob hanged him on a tree 977 00:58:20,376 --> 00:58:23,943 "on the east side of the courthouse lawn. 978 00:58:25,810 --> 00:58:28,743 "Photographers said they would soon have pictures of the body 979 00:58:28,776 --> 00:58:31,876 for sale at 50ยข each." 980 00:58:44,676 --> 00:58:48,910 - I think what most people have a hard time appreciating 981 00:58:48,943 --> 00:58:52,310 is if you were black and alive in many parts of this country 982 00:58:52,343 --> 00:58:56,743 in the 20th century, you were always at risk. 983 00:58:56,776 --> 00:59:00,210 You were always a target. 984 00:59:00,243 --> 00:59:03,843 You were always an object to be victimized, 985 00:59:03,876 --> 00:59:06,210 to be humiliated, to be taunted, 986 00:59:06,243 --> 00:59:09,110 to be sexually exploited, to be killed. 987 00:59:09,143 --> 00:59:11,076 And there was no respite. 988 00:59:11,110 --> 00:59:13,443 There was never a moment when you were allowed 989 00:59:13,476 --> 00:59:17,010 to feel like you can be safe for just a little while. 990 00:59:17,043 --> 00:59:18,543 You were always in season. 991 00:59:25,543 --> 00:59:28,176 - Most black men were lynched because they were accused 992 00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:31,543 of having sexually assaulted a white woman, 993 00:59:31,576 --> 00:59:34,276 for murder or some violent act 994 00:59:34,310 --> 00:59:36,876 committed usually against a white man. 995 00:59:36,910 --> 00:59:41,643 But sometimes it could just be having violated the rules of, 996 00:59:41,676 --> 00:59:43,410 you know, not having tipped one's hat 997 00:59:43,443 --> 00:59:44,976 or having left the side of the street 998 00:59:45,010 --> 00:59:46,876 when a white person was walking past. 999 00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:51,976 It could be being regarded as uppity. 1000 00:59:54,510 --> 00:59:57,810 And it really involves a process of dehumanization 1001 00:59:57,843 --> 01:00:01,443 that the black man had to be physically restrained, 1002 01:00:01,476 --> 01:00:03,476 that he was over-sexualized, 1003 01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:07,876 that he was naturally and inherently violent 1004 01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:11,143 or something that's not human. 1005 01:00:12,910 --> 01:00:16,143 And it's this very insidious process of dehumanization 1006 01:00:16,176 --> 01:00:19,076 that begins always with words 1007 01:00:19,110 --> 01:00:21,710 that allows average individuals 1008 01:00:21,743 --> 01:00:23,043 to stand and watch 1009 01:00:23,076 --> 01:00:25,443 and to participate and sometimes cheer 1010 01:00:25,476 --> 01:00:28,376 while another human being is brutally murdered. 1011 01:01:41,276 --> 01:01:44,410 - I had taken a job over at the grocery store 1012 01:01:44,443 --> 01:01:46,476 right here in the neighborhood at the deli, 1013 01:01:46,510 --> 01:01:48,676 and I was waiting on a customer, 1014 01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:52,210 and I had turned around with his order, 1015 01:01:52,243 --> 01:01:53,843 and it dawned on me 1016 01:01:53,876 --> 01:01:56,710 as I looked to the dining area that-- 1017 01:01:56,743 --> 01:01:58,843 that somewhere in this crowd, there is a murder, 1018 01:01:58,876 --> 01:02:01,376 and he knows what he's done-- 1019 01:02:01,410 --> 01:02:04,510 or she or they. 1020 01:02:04,543 --> 01:02:07,910 And that day was the day that I realized 1021 01:02:07,943 --> 01:02:12,476 there is still someone out here that is responsible. 1022 01:02:20,810 --> 01:02:23,543 - Well, there's a lot of things we would like to be able to do, 1023 01:02:23,576 --> 01:02:25,710 but with such a small staff, 1024 01:02:25,743 --> 01:02:28,510 there's things that we just aren't able to do 1025 01:02:28,543 --> 01:02:30,776 because we still have all the other things 1026 01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:31,910 going on in this county. 1027 01:02:34,210 --> 01:02:37,076 I have honestly not heard anyone talking about the fact 1028 01:02:37,110 --> 01:02:39,743 of whether there's still a murderer on the loose 1029 01:02:39,776 --> 01:02:42,276 in regards to this. 1030 01:02:42,310 --> 01:02:44,343 Honestly, I think that the majority of the folks 1031 01:02:44,376 --> 01:02:45,910 have just come to grips with the fact 1032 01:02:45,943 --> 01:02:48,576 that this is gonna be ruled a suicide in the end. 1033 01:02:50,343 --> 01:02:52,343 It's been several months 1034 01:02:52,376 --> 01:02:55,210 since the one-year anniversary of it. 1035 01:02:55,243 --> 01:02:56,410 But it's been quiet, 1036 01:02:56,443 --> 01:02:59,376 and everybody's just kind of waiting now. 1037 01:02:59,410 --> 01:03:01,210 And I think the sooner, the better 1038 01:03:01,243 --> 01:03:03,810 to get this behind us. 1039 01:03:07,343 --> 01:03:10,410 I honestly don't believe that the investigation 1040 01:03:10,443 --> 01:03:12,910 has been lacking from the very beginning. 1041 01:03:12,943 --> 01:03:14,810 I don't think that there's been any kind of cover-up 1042 01:03:14,843 --> 01:03:17,510 by the local law enforcement folks. 1043 01:03:17,543 --> 01:03:19,676 Nobody wants to believe that their child 1044 01:03:19,710 --> 01:03:21,276 could do such a thing, 1045 01:03:21,310 --> 01:03:24,243 and I would probably want to go to all ends of the Earth 1046 01:03:24,276 --> 01:03:28,176 to make sure that any and all possible investigations 1047 01:03:28,210 --> 01:03:30,176 and questions were answered. 1048 01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:32,710 But to that end, at some point you've got to-- 1049 01:03:32,743 --> 01:03:35,110 you've got to realize that they've done all they can. 1050 01:03:39,610 --> 01:03:42,610 There is another side to the coin as far as, 1051 01:03:42,643 --> 01:03:45,443 you know, the family unit and negligence 1052 01:03:45,476 --> 01:03:47,143 and that kind of thing. 1053 01:03:47,176 --> 01:03:49,710 You know, the fact that this teenage boy at 15, 1054 01:03:49,743 --> 01:03:51,076 16 years old was involved 1055 01:03:51,110 --> 01:03:53,376 with a 30-year-old woman in the neighborhood, 1056 01:03:53,410 --> 01:03:56,810 that he was regularly out after midnight on school nights. 1057 01:03:56,843 --> 01:03:59,376 So those are the kinds of things 1058 01:03:59,410 --> 01:04:02,043 that started to percolate 1059 01:04:02,076 --> 01:04:04,410 as this went on during that first year. 1060 01:04:12,576 --> 01:04:14,710 - I was 32 when I met Lennon. 1061 01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:21,710 Lennon and I didn't really look at our age difference. 1062 01:04:24,276 --> 01:04:27,543 From the time I met Lennon, 1063 01:04:27,576 --> 01:04:31,076 it felt like it was meant to be. 1064 01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:37,376 I mean, you don't choose who you fall in love with. 1065 01:04:44,376 --> 01:04:45,610 - Yeah. 1066 01:04:45,643 --> 01:04:49,210 This is the only thing of his that I have left. 1067 01:04:49,243 --> 01:04:51,910 They came over and told me they wanted everything of Lennon's. 1068 01:04:51,943 --> 01:04:54,743 So I hid this. 1069 01:04:54,776 --> 01:04:56,543 - So did you--did they take everything but that? 1070 01:04:56,576 --> 01:04:58,310 - Yes. 1071 01:05:04,443 --> 01:05:07,143 - His mother says 17-year-old Lennon had been dating 1072 01:05:07,176 --> 01:05:09,243 a 32-year-old white woman. 1073 01:05:09,276 --> 01:05:11,610 The age of consent in North Carolina is 16. 1074 01:05:11,643 --> 01:05:13,210 Still, 1075 01:05:13,243 --> 01:05:16,176 some people in this small Southern town did not like it. 1076 01:05:16,210 --> 01:05:18,843 In the wake of his hanging, some wondered if he was killed 1077 01:05:18,876 --> 01:05:22,210 because he was in an interracial relationship. 1078 01:05:24,676 --> 01:05:26,143 - We never talked about the race thing. 1079 01:05:26,176 --> 01:05:28,176 We talked about the age thing... 1080 01:05:28,210 --> 01:05:30,110 because of the simple fact 1081 01:05:30,143 --> 01:05:32,810 I knew that she was a woman of experience. 1082 01:05:32,843 --> 01:05:34,210 She had three kids of her own. 1083 01:05:34,243 --> 01:05:37,776 My son was not compatible with her. 1084 01:05:37,810 --> 01:05:39,510 I said-- I asked her, as a mother-- 1085 01:05:39,543 --> 01:05:41,943 I said, "So you need to end this. 1086 01:05:41,976 --> 01:05:45,676 Either you end it, or we will end it." 1087 01:05:45,710 --> 01:05:47,143 She continued to see him 1088 01:05:47,176 --> 01:05:49,843 as if I hadn't even said anything to her about it. 1089 01:05:52,043 --> 01:05:56,610 - Michelle and Lennon were involved about seven months, 1090 01:05:56,643 --> 01:06:00,876 but Lennon didn't want nobody to know for a while 1091 01:06:00,910 --> 01:06:04,043 because that whole-- that whole Michelle situation, 1092 01:06:04,076 --> 01:06:07,243 I--I--I knew it was too much for him. 1093 01:06:07,276 --> 01:06:08,476 There was still stuff 1094 01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:11,243 that I didn't know about Michelle myself. 1095 01:06:13,710 --> 01:06:15,743 - I had left my husband. 1096 01:06:15,776 --> 01:06:19,076 My children and I had just came back from Illinois 1097 01:06:19,110 --> 01:06:21,310 and moved back to North Carolina. 1098 01:06:21,343 --> 01:06:23,710 I was living with Trey's mother, 1099 01:06:23,743 --> 01:06:25,743 Carla Hudson and Dewey Sykes. 1100 01:06:27,310 --> 01:06:30,076 There was probably, I would say, 1101 01:06:30,110 --> 01:06:34,210 a hundred feet at the most from Lennon's back door 1102 01:06:34,243 --> 01:06:38,743 to Dewey Sykes and Carla Hudson's door. 1103 01:06:40,176 --> 01:06:44,243 Lennon was always at Trey's house whenever I was there. 1104 01:06:44,276 --> 01:06:47,843 The first time I met Lennon, 1105 01:06:47,876 --> 01:06:50,243 I didn't think that he was a teenager. 1106 01:06:50,276 --> 01:06:52,943 He looked a lot older than what-- 1107 01:06:52,976 --> 01:06:54,976 what he was. 1108 01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:58,443 He carried himself like a gentleman. 1109 01:06:58,476 --> 01:07:02,643 He came over with Trey, and they was hanging out, 1110 01:07:02,676 --> 01:07:05,510 and I was there with Carla, hanging out. 1111 01:07:05,543 --> 01:07:08,576 I think my kids had went to bed, 1112 01:07:08,610 --> 01:07:10,176 and Trey, he was probably in the bedroom 1113 01:07:10,210 --> 01:07:11,243 with his girlfriend. 1114 01:07:11,276 --> 01:07:12,910 He was always in there with her. 1115 01:07:12,943 --> 01:07:15,610 And Lennon was always out there with us. 1116 01:07:15,643 --> 01:07:18,143 And then he... 1117 01:07:18,176 --> 01:07:21,043 started kissing me on my neck, 1118 01:07:21,076 --> 01:07:22,476 and that's how it started. 1119 01:07:25,010 --> 01:07:26,776 - Now, this is where Lennon lived, 1120 01:07:26,810 --> 01:07:28,843 and we'd go to Trey's house 1121 01:07:28,876 --> 01:07:30,510 and play football, basketball, 1122 01:07:30,543 --> 01:07:32,376 anything you want to play. 1123 01:07:32,410 --> 01:07:34,743 Walk through this little path right here. 1124 01:07:34,776 --> 01:07:38,143 This is where Trey and them lived, right here. 1125 01:07:38,176 --> 01:07:40,176 The house would be right there in front of them bushes. 1126 01:07:40,210 --> 01:07:44,276 Carla Hudson's and Dewey Sykes and Trey Hudson's. 1127 01:07:44,310 --> 01:07:47,010 This is the front door. 1128 01:07:47,043 --> 01:07:48,376 I'm walking right here in the front door. 1129 01:07:48,410 --> 01:07:49,443 You know what I'm saying? 1130 01:07:49,476 --> 01:07:51,643 I thought it was real funny. 1131 01:07:51,676 --> 01:07:54,276 After a couple months after Lennon died, 1132 01:07:54,310 --> 01:07:57,310 they moved everything out and left the pool. 1133 01:07:57,343 --> 01:07:58,710 Left their dead dog there. 1134 01:07:58,743 --> 01:08:00,510 You know what I'm saying? I would've dug my dog up. 1135 01:08:00,543 --> 01:08:02,810 You feel me? I'd at least dug my dog up. 1136 01:08:02,843 --> 01:08:05,776 But no, they moved everything out. Fast, too. 1137 01:08:05,810 --> 01:08:07,410 Real quick, 1138 01:08:07,443 --> 01:08:08,843 like they were running away from something. 1139 01:08:08,876 --> 01:08:10,410 You know what I'm saying? 1140 01:08:10,443 --> 01:08:13,343 - Look, look-- no, it's too late. Come on. 1141 01:08:14,476 --> 01:08:17,076 Yeah, man's in court. 1142 01:08:18,810 --> 01:08:22,310 Probably shake hands and all of that, man. 1143 01:08:26,943 --> 01:08:29,910 - Carla and Dewey Sykes were pill poppers. 1144 01:08:29,943 --> 01:08:31,510 People would come and go, 1145 01:08:31,543 --> 01:08:33,610 buying and selling narcotics, 1146 01:08:33,643 --> 01:08:35,110 and I believe they even 1147 01:08:35,143 --> 01:08:37,443 supplied Michelle with narcotics at times. 1148 01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:41,343 - There you go, Trey. 1149 01:08:41,376 --> 01:08:43,843 Work him! Work him! Work him! 1150 01:08:43,876 --> 01:08:45,843 - Hell, yeah! 1151 01:08:45,876 --> 01:08:48,343 - Dewey Sykes? He known for being racist. 1152 01:08:48,376 --> 01:08:53,276 About 2005, he hung a KKK flag right there on the fence. 1153 01:08:53,310 --> 01:08:55,743 Hung the flag right there that said, "Don't tread on me." 1154 01:08:55,776 --> 01:08:59,610 Rebel flag. Stuff like that. He was known for it. 1155 01:08:59,643 --> 01:09:04,943 - Dewey didn't like the fact that I was seeing Lennon, 1156 01:09:04,976 --> 01:09:09,043 and he would use the N-word more than often. 1157 01:09:10,243 --> 01:09:12,843 There was one night, Lennon got upset, 1158 01:09:12,876 --> 01:09:15,243 and he walked out of Carla Hudson's house 1159 01:09:15,276 --> 01:09:20,910 and Lennon punched the fence and he broke the wood. 1160 01:09:20,943 --> 01:09:26,543 And Dewey had threatened Lennon with a gun. 1161 01:09:26,576 --> 01:09:28,976 - Dewey Sykes had a cousin 1162 01:09:29,010 --> 01:09:30,976 that is on the Bladenboro police force 1163 01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:34,243 but never seemed to arrest his relatives 1164 01:09:34,276 --> 01:09:35,943 for the apparent illegal activity 1165 01:09:35,976 --> 01:09:37,376 going on in their home. 1166 01:09:37,410 --> 01:09:38,910 That was the party spot. 1167 01:09:43,076 --> 01:09:44,610 - What happened at Carla's house 1168 01:09:44,643 --> 01:09:46,910 stayed at Carla's house, basically. 1169 01:09:46,943 --> 01:09:49,910 It was like Las Vegas. 1170 01:09:49,943 --> 01:09:53,710 Yeah. It was. 1171 01:10:00,743 --> 01:10:03,310 - Yeah, we was--Lennon and I was committed to each other. 1172 01:10:03,343 --> 01:10:05,610 Yes. Yeah. 1173 01:10:05,643 --> 01:10:08,010 - Michelle Brimhall had a drug problem, 1174 01:10:08,043 --> 01:10:10,510 and to support her drug habit, 1175 01:10:10,543 --> 01:10:13,210 she would have quite a few companions, 1176 01:10:13,243 --> 01:10:16,110 and Lennon would get very emotional 1177 01:10:16,143 --> 01:10:17,810 and upset about this. 1178 01:10:17,843 --> 01:10:19,110 They broke up in June. 1179 01:10:19,143 --> 01:10:20,476 He goes to Virginia, 1180 01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:22,810 spends a couple of weeks with family, has a good time, 1181 01:10:22,843 --> 01:10:25,310 tries to get her out of his head. 1182 01:10:25,343 --> 01:10:27,643 By the time he comes back, he realized, 1183 01:10:27,676 --> 01:10:31,143 you know, she was still seeing other people. 1184 01:10:31,176 --> 01:10:32,576 And even though they had broken up, 1185 01:10:32,610 --> 01:10:35,043 I think Lennon was in love with her, 1186 01:10:35,076 --> 01:10:37,010 and I think he felt like this relationship 1187 01:10:37,043 --> 01:10:39,876 was going to turn into something bigger. 1188 01:10:41,843 --> 01:10:43,876 But that night, there was another man 1189 01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:45,976 that arrived at her house, 1190 01:10:46,010 --> 01:10:48,810 and his first name was Maurice. 1191 01:10:48,843 --> 01:10:51,910 He does have a criminal history. 1192 01:10:51,943 --> 01:10:54,976 Lennon saw Maurice go into the house, 1193 01:10:55,010 --> 01:10:59,443 and he was quite distraught about it. 1194 01:11:01,243 --> 01:11:05,443 - He was pacing from his house and Trey's house. 1195 01:11:05,476 --> 01:11:07,776 Every now and then, he would come back to the house 1196 01:11:07,810 --> 01:11:12,310 with different information that Carla and Trey 1197 01:11:12,343 --> 01:11:15,243 was feeding him about Michelle. 1198 01:11:15,276 --> 01:11:19,343 So it was kind of like they were fueling the anger. 1199 01:11:22,043 --> 01:11:24,843 But in the process of all of this going on, 1200 01:11:24,876 --> 01:11:28,976 he still was preparing for the next day. 1201 01:11:29,010 --> 01:11:32,710 The last thing he pretty much did was pack his bag 1202 01:11:32,743 --> 01:11:35,676 for football practice. 1203 01:11:40,876 --> 01:11:44,176 - I don't know what happened. 1204 01:11:44,210 --> 01:11:45,776 I've thought about it and thought about it 1205 01:11:45,810 --> 01:11:48,143 and thought of so many different things. 1206 01:11:50,176 --> 01:11:52,276 It doesn't make any sense 1207 01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:55,210 because Lennon has never done anything to anybody. 1208 01:11:55,243 --> 01:11:58,110 I mean, who would want to hurt him? 1209 01:12:01,043 --> 01:12:02,343 It's just- -I don't know. 1210 01:12:02,376 --> 01:12:05,076 It doesn't make any sense to me. 1211 01:12:21,976 --> 01:12:24,843 - I don't know what happened, 1212 01:12:24,876 --> 01:12:28,376 but I wish he came and knocked on my window 1213 01:12:28,410 --> 01:12:30,876 and asked me to walk on that night 1214 01:12:30,910 --> 01:12:33,610 instead of walking out alone. 1215 01:12:35,743 --> 01:12:40,710 - We have been very careful to proceed 1216 01:12:40,743 --> 01:12:43,043 in the search for truth. 1217 01:12:43,076 --> 01:12:46,876 If Lennon was white 1218 01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:48,343 and found hanging 1219 01:12:48,376 --> 01:12:51,410 in a predominantly black neighborhood, 1220 01:12:51,443 --> 01:12:54,943 would there have been a rush 1221 01:12:54,976 --> 01:12:58,610 to determine that the cause of death was suicide? 1222 01:13:00,243 --> 01:13:05,110 What happens those first few hours at a scene of death 1223 01:13:05,143 --> 01:13:07,710 has extraordinary impact 1224 01:13:07,743 --> 01:13:11,410 on how we are able to ultimately find the truth. 1225 01:13:11,443 --> 01:13:15,743 They ought to be following the standards of law enforcement 1226 01:13:15,776 --> 01:13:21,276 in every case regardless of race, creed, class. 1227 01:13:21,310 --> 01:13:24,176 One standard of justice. 1228 01:13:24,210 --> 01:13:28,876 - Lawyers working on behalf of Lennon's family had information 1229 01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:31,343 which they believed was critical for our determination 1230 01:13:31,376 --> 01:13:34,210 which they did not want to give the SBI. 1231 01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:36,043 - It's very disappointing that 1232 01:13:36,076 --> 01:13:40,910 instead of actually conducting any investigation 1233 01:13:40,943 --> 01:13:44,810 that would've made any sort of forensic testing fruitful 1234 01:13:44,843 --> 01:13:46,643 and reliable, 1235 01:13:46,676 --> 01:13:50,543 this district attorney allowed rumors in the community 1236 01:13:50,576 --> 01:13:54,710 to become so rampant instead of searching for the truth. 1237 01:14:00,176 --> 01:14:03,143 - I should not have had to wait as long as I have 1238 01:14:03,176 --> 01:14:05,143 to get to the answers that I wanted. 1239 01:14:07,476 --> 01:14:09,210 To me, that makes me think there was something 1240 01:14:09,243 --> 01:14:12,510 that had to be fixed up, doctored up. 1241 01:14:16,243 --> 01:14:18,110 Tell me. Show it to me. 1242 01:14:18,143 --> 01:14:23,210 Your saying it means nothing to me if you cannot prove it. 1243 01:14:23,243 --> 01:14:25,043 I want to know, I deserve to know, 1244 01:14:25,076 --> 01:14:26,910 and I have the right to know. 1245 01:14:26,943 --> 01:14:29,943 That's all I've askedfrom day one. 1246 01:15:13,710 --> 01:15:15,543 - "My mother was traumatized when her brother, 1247 01:15:15,576 --> 01:15:18,476 "Claude Neal, was lynched. 1248 01:15:18,510 --> 01:15:20,243 "She went through total hell, 1249 01:15:20,276 --> 01:15:23,543 "and she put us through total hell. 1250 01:15:23,576 --> 01:15:24,910 "She'd start talking about 1251 01:15:24,943 --> 01:15:27,843 "what the men did to her brother. 1252 01:15:27,876 --> 01:15:30,910 "She smoked Camels and drank moonshine. 1253 01:15:33,776 --> 01:15:35,576 "She'd kick her daughters 1254 01:15:35,610 --> 01:15:39,043 "and she'd make the kids read the 23rd psalm out loud 1255 01:15:39,076 --> 01:15:41,876 "while she drank and cried. 1256 01:15:44,743 --> 01:15:47,076 "She just couldn't take what happened. 1257 01:15:49,443 --> 01:15:51,910 "She would leave her five children with relatives 1258 01:15:51,943 --> 01:15:55,810 "and disappear for months-- sometimes years. 1259 01:15:55,843 --> 01:15:58,776 "She'd return out of guilt and whisk us off 1260 01:15:58,810 --> 01:16:01,943 "to some tiny house where she'd try to make a home. 1261 01:16:03,976 --> 01:16:07,610 "When she was sober, she was okay, 1262 01:16:07,643 --> 01:16:11,176 but she always slipped back into dark places." 1263 01:16:16,776 --> 01:16:19,810 - One of the most disturbing legacies of lynching 1264 01:16:19,843 --> 01:16:22,443 is generational trauma 1265 01:16:22,476 --> 01:16:25,443 within the black and white communities. 1266 01:16:26,743 --> 01:16:28,443 And yet, very different reactions 1267 01:16:28,476 --> 01:16:32,243 to the stories in the two different communities. 1268 01:16:32,276 --> 01:16:35,376 Both communities were covered in a shroud of silence: 1269 01:16:35,410 --> 01:16:39,076 blacks out of fear, whites out of shame, I think, 1270 01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:40,810 and fear also. 1271 01:16:40,843 --> 01:16:42,643 And that silence was never lifted, 1272 01:16:42,676 --> 01:16:44,976 and so people are acting out 1273 01:16:45,010 --> 01:16:49,043 in the context of that passed-on relationship, 1274 01:16:49,076 --> 01:16:52,410 and they don't know what's at the heart of it. 1275 01:16:52,443 --> 01:16:54,476 And there are all these institutions 1276 01:16:54,510 --> 01:16:57,376 that need to come clean about this history. 1277 01:16:59,476 --> 01:17:01,710 This is true of the legal community. 1278 01:17:01,743 --> 01:17:06,343 It's true of journalism. It's true across the board. 1279 01:17:07,276 --> 01:17:09,243 Communities for themselves have to come together 1280 01:17:09,276 --> 01:17:13,943 and talk about what they think would repair the harm. 1281 01:17:13,976 --> 01:17:16,510 But if, together, we face that history, 1282 01:17:16,543 --> 01:17:18,643 it leads to an opening for dialogue; 1283 01:17:18,676 --> 01:17:20,876 it leads to an opening for reconciliation. 1284 01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:28,376 - Now, ladies and gentlemen, that concludes the last scene. 1285 01:17:28,410 --> 01:17:32,010 We will return to First African Baptist Church 1286 01:17:32,043 --> 01:17:33,510 for food and fellowship. 1287 01:17:33,543 --> 01:17:36,943 We have food waiting on you. 1288 01:17:36,976 --> 01:17:38,110 - The Moore's Ford Memorial Committee 1289 01:17:38,143 --> 01:17:42,443 was started September of 1997. 1290 01:17:42,476 --> 01:17:46,643 We have a load of people here for the reenactment, 1291 01:17:46,676 --> 01:17:48,276 but you can go around and count the ones 1292 01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:50,176 from Walton County that'd be there. 1293 01:17:50,210 --> 01:17:56,610 So this stigma does still touch people in a negative way. 1294 01:18:06,243 --> 01:18:08,410 Certain areas of Walton County, 1295 01:18:08,443 --> 01:18:11,210 you can go through these subdivisions, 1296 01:18:11,243 --> 01:18:14,376 and you look at the names of the streets, 1297 01:18:14,410 --> 01:18:16,943 and it matches the names 1298 01:18:16,976 --> 01:18:19,810 that the FBI report says are the suspects. 1299 01:18:21,710 --> 01:18:23,843 So it would really be important 1300 01:18:23,876 --> 01:18:26,943 if we could get justice brought 1301 01:18:26,976 --> 01:18:29,176 on this particular case. 1302 01:18:40,643 --> 01:18:42,676 If we get a break, you know, I'll make sure 1303 01:18:42,710 --> 01:18:44,610 I've got your phone number before you leave here, 1304 01:18:44,643 --> 01:18:47,176 and, you know, I'd be willing to call you 1305 01:18:47,210 --> 01:18:48,810 and let you know what's happening. 1306 01:18:48,843 --> 01:18:50,476 Hopefully, you know, we'll have closure 1307 01:18:50,510 --> 01:18:52,243 on this thing pretty soon. 1308 01:18:59,110 --> 01:19:01,476 - Is Reverend Sammy still out here? 1309 01:19:03,143 --> 01:19:07,543 Tell him we want him to bring some words of closure, prayer, 1310 01:19:07,576 --> 01:19:10,010 and a message. 1311 01:21:01,176 --> 01:21:02,776 - "The United States Attorney's Office 1312 01:21:02,810 --> 01:21:05,043 "announced today that, following its investigation 1313 01:21:05,076 --> 01:21:07,043 "into the death of Lennon Lacy, 1314 01:21:07,076 --> 01:21:08,610 "there is no evidence to pursue 1315 01:21:08,643 --> 01:21:12,043 "federal criminal civil rights charges. 1316 01:21:13,243 --> 01:21:14,910 "Officials from the Justice Department's 1317 01:21:14,943 --> 01:21:16,176 "civil rights division, 1318 01:21:16,210 --> 01:21:17,576 "the U.S. Attorney's Office 1319 01:21:17,610 --> 01:21:19,343 "with the Eastern District of North Carolina, 1320 01:21:19,376 --> 01:21:21,743 "and the Federal Bureau of Investigation met today 1321 01:21:21,776 --> 01:21:25,376 with Lennon Lacy's family to inform them of this decision." 1322 01:21:32,276 --> 01:21:34,743 - "The FBI assessment has confirmed 1323 01:21:34,776 --> 01:21:36,776 "my initial opinion 1324 01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:38,676 "that the investigation conducted 1325 01:21:38,710 --> 01:21:41,343 "by the State Bureau of Investigation 1326 01:21:41,376 --> 01:21:44,210 "and the Bladenboro Police Department was complete, 1327 01:21:44,243 --> 01:21:47,310 "thorough, and professional. 1328 01:21:47,343 --> 01:21:50,510 "I would like to take this opportunity to highlight 1329 01:21:50,543 --> 01:21:54,443 "the hard work and dedication of the SBI special agent 1330 01:21:54,476 --> 01:21:57,443 "who went above and beyond the call of duty 1331 01:21:57,476 --> 01:22:01,210 to see that justice was done in this matter." 1332 01:22:18,610 --> 01:22:21,476 - "After a careful and thorough review 1333 01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:24,976 "by a team of experts, 1334 01:22:25,010 --> 01:22:27,610 "the Justice Department found no evidence to suggest 1335 01:22:27,643 --> 01:22:31,576 "that Lennon's death was a homicide. 1336 01:22:34,143 --> 01:22:38,176 The investigation into the incident has been closed." 1337 01:22:46,010 --> 01:22:51,343 One page for 17 years 1338 01:22:51,376 --> 01:22:52,876 of a person's life. 1339 01:23:06,943 --> 01:23:09,376 - Although the federal authorities found 1340 01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:11,410 there was no evidence of foul play, 1341 01:23:11,443 --> 01:23:15,443 that's not conclusive that there was not foul play. 1342 01:23:15,476 --> 01:23:18,076 They're saying there was no evidence of foul play. 1343 01:23:23,176 --> 01:23:26,510 The biggest reason that we're never gonna be able 1344 01:23:26,543 --> 01:23:28,276 to know the truth 1345 01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:33,376 is law enforcement just did not do their job adequately. 1346 01:23:33,410 --> 01:23:35,710 It was a cursory investigation, 1347 01:23:35,743 --> 01:23:39,610 and they jumped to a conclusion, 1348 01:23:39,643 --> 01:23:41,110 and that was all she wrote. 1349 01:23:53,043 --> 01:23:55,443 - His friends, his neighbors, 1350 01:23:55,476 --> 01:23:57,976 the kids that he interacted with 1351 01:23:58,010 --> 01:24:03,210 looked at me with disbelief. 1352 01:24:03,243 --> 01:24:04,943 That's what made me push. 1353 01:24:06,276 --> 01:24:08,210 And I'm gonna continue until I get the answers 1354 01:24:08,243 --> 01:24:11,076 for them as well as for myself. 1355 01:24:21,176 --> 01:24:24,910 The more people know about it, that's my way of grieving. 1356 01:24:25,943 --> 01:24:28,376 The more they understand and hear his story, 97725

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