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- I need EMS.
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I have a man hanging
from a swing set.
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- If you knew in your heart
and in your mind
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that someone took
your child's life,
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how far would you go
to get to the truth?
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- We sat there with no answers,
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and then they tell my mom
it was suicide.
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- Was there more to the story?
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This doesn't make sense.
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Law enforcement did not do
their job adequately.
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- Honestly, it looked like
it was a display,
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like it was a back-in-the-day
lynching.
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- This community has a right
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to demand more investigation!
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Filmmaker Jacqueline Olive
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explores how the legacy
of racial terrorism
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still haunts us today.
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- If you were black and alive,
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you were always at risk
to be killed.
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- That isn't ancient history.
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A lot of the people
involved in lynchings,
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they're still around today.
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- If together we face
that history,
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it leads to a dialogue;
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it leads to an opening
for reconciliation.
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"Always in Season,"
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now only on Independent Lens.
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- Well, Lennon was about
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Almost two.
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This is Lennon,
the oldest.
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Young uncle.
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Think about it as if it was
your son or your daughter.
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If you knew in your heart
and in your mind
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that someone
took your child's life,
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and everything
that you've done
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that's humanly possible,
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they've taken it and
twisted it and turned it.
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How far would you go
to get to the truth?
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How soon would you let it go?
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Neighborhood is supposed to be
a connection
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of your extended family.
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Someone in your family
gets hurt, you hurt.
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And until this wound
is fixed and heals,
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this neighborhood
will always hurt
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and always be a open wound.
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God.
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- If you read the accounts
of lynching,
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the acts themselves
were so horrifying
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that they became a kind
of internal story
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of so many communities.
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And yet, like children,
we still hope and pray
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that it's far enough
in the past
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that maybe we never
have to talk about it.
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- This report is published
with the hope
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that its sheer sadism
and abnormal cruelty
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may stir thoughtful
Americans to action.
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If this report does not do so,
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we fear that the situation
is hopeless.
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- We have the Moore's Ford
lynching from 1946,
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and no one has been charged.
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And you mean to tell me,
after all these years,
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no one will speak up?
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That angers me.
Somebody knows something.
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- I think
that he was murdered.
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I think they hung him up
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to make it look
like a suicide.
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A group of people
in this area,
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some of 'em are all for
a good show of a lynching.
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- It makes you realize that
things like that still happen.
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We might not see them
all the time,
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but they still happen.
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- I grew up here.
This has always been home.
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It has sort of
a Andy Griffith feel.
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A lot of the people
are country folks
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and have a laid-back attitude.
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I've been in many places
around the country
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where there's
big cities and towns,
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and I like
the small-town atmosphere
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simply because
it's a slower pace.
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In my growing-up time,
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Cotton mill
was the main employer,
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but were closed down
by the 1980s.
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It was a farming town as well.
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- Who's glad to be part of the
Annual Bladenboro Beast Fest?
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- I don't know if you've heard
of the "Beast of Bladenboro,"
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but they have a festival
for that.
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It's based on a legend.
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- In 1954,
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some kind of animal
killed a number of pets
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and some livestock
in the area--
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a figure in the dark.
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The artist's conception
is something--
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almost a human-like,
cat-like combination.
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- You notice about
the Beast of Bladenboro,
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you don't ever see
black people in that stuff.
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That's a myth
that was perpetrated
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by our light-skinned brothers
and sisters.
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The Beast has always
been black,
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and black people always had
a problem with that.
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- We went with a black cat
because that's the way
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it had always been portrayed
in the old articles.
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It--you know,
the--the killer cat.
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You know, the black cat.
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It was supposed to be coming
out of the swamp
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up into the edge of town.
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Everybody wanted to be the one
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to get their picture
in the newspapers
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that they captured the Beast.
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- And then, you know,
they call it
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the "Swamp in the Quarters"
down there for a reason.
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That's based upon
that slave term, there,
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from the slave quarters.
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And here in Bladenboro,
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most of the African Americans
live in this particular area.
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- So right here,
there was a cleaners,
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and right here was
a little feed store.
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They done changed it now.
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All these places
that I'm telling you,
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you knew where you could come
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and what time
that your place was.
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You know,
the first part of the morning
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was mostly the business time,
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and the white people
come first,
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and then the black people came.
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- We had it hard coming up.
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We all have our skeletons,
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but honey,
Bladenboro got skeletons
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that, if you open the door,
they will scare you to death.
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Some things that you see,
you keep it to yourself.
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You will live longer.
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- I haven't experienced any,
personal racial division.
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Everybody gets along.
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Of course,
we do have the young man
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that was found hanging here
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in Bladenboro
a couple of years ago.
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Lennon Lacy was found hanging
from a swing near his home,
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I think,
is the way the story went.
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Most people just don't know
what happened there.
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- All right, I'm gonna take you
by the cemetery
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where Lennon's in.
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This here is my grandmother
and my grandfather,
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Ed and Benjamin Lacy.
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And that's my uncle.
He was a brickmason.
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And down here...
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This is Lennon's grave,
right here.
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That's Lennon's grave.
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- I'm playing basketball.
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- Is your brother showing you
how to play?
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- No.
I already know how to play.
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Okay.
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- I'm good at it.
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- Okay.
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Lennon would've never
wanted me to not know
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what happened to him.
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You know, he would want me
to have some type of closure
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because we were very close.
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Told my son there was nothing
too insignificant
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that you can't tell me.
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I know everything
about your body,
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everything about you.
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Give us, Lord,
our daily bread. Amen.
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- For them to say
what they did,
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as far as he had taken his
own life,
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I couldn't see that.
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He had too much to live for.
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Too much.
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And I just want justice
and closure.
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Last time I talked to Lennon
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was the day
that we buried my uncle.
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So we all came back here.
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After the funeral,
Lennon was dressed down.
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He had on
his dark-blue sweatpants,
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a sports jersey with "Bladen"
on the front of it,
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and his tennis shoes stuck out
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because they were
that neon green,
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but that's the color he wanted
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because he had a hat
that it matched, too,
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'cause he bought
the whole outfit.
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The hat, the pants, and the
shirt, and the shoes matched.
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I said, "Well, I'm gonna
go head to bed
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'cause I'm tired and
don't feel too good. So..."
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Lennon was like, "I got to
finish hanging out my things
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for a football game tomorrow."
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So he kissed me
on the forehead.
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I said, "Don't forget to take
that stuff off the line,"
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and I went to bed.
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And that was the last time
I talked to Lennon.
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In the morning, I was talking
to my sister over the phone
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because she was
checking in on me.
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I happened to glance
out the window,
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and I said,
"Lennon's done left his jersey
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and his support socks
on the clothesline."
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She said,
"Well, I'ma let you go."
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She--"'Cause I know you got to
run to the schoolhouse
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and drop off his things."
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And there was a knock
at the door.
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Chief Hunt
is on the other side.
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He let me know
that I needed to go with him.
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I got in my vehicle, and I
followed him over to the park.
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There was a crowd of people
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standing on the side
of the road,
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and I noticed
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that the police was rolling up
crime scene yellow tape
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from around one
of the swing sets.
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The State Bureau
investigator told me
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that I needed to see
if this was my son.
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I go up the three steps,
sit on the back of the EMT.
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I got close--as close
as you could get
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other than laying
on top of his body--
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to look and see and feel
and touch and smell his body.
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And I rubbed his face.
I rubbed his chest...
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and I just looked
at him with amaze
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'cause I was literally...
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disbelief...
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that it--you know,
his lifeless body was there,
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and I just saw him
a couple of hours prior.
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It was unreal...
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like I was
watching a bad movie
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and it was never gonna end.
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And from that point on,
it became a blur to me.
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and I tried to allow
my family members--
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other family members--
to deal with the police.
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I couldn't deal with any more
than what I was dealing with.
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I just couldn't.
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- At the time, I was working
in Stafford, Virginia.
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And then my supervisor
is like,
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"Hey, you got a phone call."
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And my godbrother was...
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he was telling me,
"They found Lennon."
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I said, "'They?'
Who're 'they'?
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And what are you
talking about?"
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He was like,
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"They found him dead.
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They say he hung himself.
He committed suicide."
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He wouldn't do nothing
like that.
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I just--you know, I just
saw him a couple weeks ago.
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That wasn't on his mind.
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I started crying.
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I was--I wanted to stop
crying, but I couldn't.
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I cried from my job
all the way to my mom's house.
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When I walked in the house,
I was just--I saw my mom.
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I'm like...
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"How?
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How did this happen?" You know?
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And she--she couldn't--
she couldn't really--
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she couldn't even really look
at me because she was so hurt.
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And it hadn't--you know,
I didn't take nothing personal.
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It just hurt me to know
that she was that hurt.
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And I couldn't imagine what was
going on through her mind
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when she had to go out there...
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and see him like that.
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And then they tell her
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she don't know
what she talkin' about.
254
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"He did this to himself."
255
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And you gonna force-feed a lie
to my whole entire family
256
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and make us think we're crazy?
257
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It looked like...
258
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honestly, it looked
like it was a display,
259
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like it was a message,
260
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like it was a--
a back-in-the-day lynching.
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Like, that's what it--
that's how it made me feel.
262
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That's how it made me feel.
263
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- Lynching as a form
of racial terrorism
264
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is a very particular thing.
265
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And that really began
after the Civil War
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during
the Reconstruction period
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when newly emancipated slaves
were making political gains,
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economic gains,
educational gains.
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Between the 1890s and 1960,
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there were about 5,000
lynchings in the United States,
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most of them
of African American men,
272
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although there were
a few dozen cases
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of African American women.
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Mostly they did happen
in the South,
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but they happened all over
throughout the United States.
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And lynchings very often
involved hangings,
277
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very often involved shooting,
278
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but also burning, including
burning alive, of victims.
279
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But it really was
the character of the murder
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that made it a lynching.
281
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Those who were involved in the
lynching perceived themselves
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as having the right
to do this,
283
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and that's why it's most
often done openly
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and notoriously
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with the participation
of average people...
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Not just to punish
the individual person,
287
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but as a symbol, as a sign
to the larger community--
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both the white community
and the black community.
289
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Lynching was a message crime.
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Sometimes they happened
in the woods,
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but most often,
292
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they happened in places where
the body would be seen,
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sometimes in a crowd of
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And it's the public nature
of lynching
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that really condemns
the white community
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because the idea that people
didn't know...
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They did know.
298
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- "At sundown, the negro
will be taken
299
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"to the farm
two miles from here
300
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"where Miss Lola Cannady,
the murder victim, lived.
301
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"There he will be mutilated
by the girl's father.
302
00:19:30,010 --> 00:19:34,010
"Then he will be brought
to the pigpen and murdered
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"where the girl's body
was found.
304
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"Finally his body will be
brought to the county seat
305
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"nine miles from here
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"and hung in the courthouse
square for all to see.
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All white folks
are invited to the party."
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- We want that nigger, Roger!
309
00:20:21,210 --> 00:20:23,243
Now! Get him out!
310
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- Get out of the car, nigger!
311
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Who do you think you are?
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- Take him down!
313
00:20:35,710 --> 00:20:38,143
- Why are you
doing this to me?
314
00:20:38,176 --> 00:20:39,776
What are you doing?
315
00:20:41,743 --> 00:20:43,543
- Please! Don't hurt us!
316
00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:46,243
We didn't do nothing!
We didn't do nothing!
317
00:20:47,676 --> 00:20:51,876
We didn't do nothing!
318
00:20:51,910 --> 00:20:53,576
- Get the niggers tied up!
319
00:20:53,610 --> 00:20:55,543
- Please don't kill us!
320
00:20:57,243 --> 00:20:58,476
All right.
Get your rifle--
321
00:20:58,510 --> 00:21:00,910
get your guns ready.
322
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:04,176
- Please!
- Please don't kill her.
323
00:21:04,210 --> 00:21:07,710
- Please don't kill me.
Please don't kill me.
324
00:21:07,743 --> 00:21:09,210
No! No!
325
00:21:15,410 --> 00:21:19,043
- Make sure he's dead.
326
00:21:19,076 --> 00:21:20,443
- All right, one more time.
Come on.
327
00:21:20,476 --> 00:21:22,076
Let's make sure
that nigger's dead!
328
00:21:24,876 --> 00:21:27,343
- The baby. Get the baby.
329
00:21:27,376 --> 00:21:29,976
- Cover me,
and we gonna back up.
330
00:21:30,010 --> 00:21:31,643
- And then open up
when she gets the baby.
331
00:21:31,676 --> 00:21:33,710
Open up.
332
00:21:35,343 --> 00:21:37,576
Open up.
333
00:21:37,610 --> 00:21:39,610
- This good, boss?
- That's real good.
334
00:21:39,643 --> 00:21:41,610
Real good.
335
00:21:44,443 --> 00:21:47,743
Lloyd, do you see anybody
you know here?
336
00:21:47,776 --> 00:21:51,443
I'm asking you.
You see anybody you know here?
337
00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:52,810
- No.
- That's what I thought.
338
00:21:52,843 --> 00:21:55,043
Get him out of here.
Get him the hell out of here.
339
00:22:13,910 --> 00:22:16,543
I don't think
I've watched it since I did it.
340
00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:22,376
You can feel it out here.
341
00:22:22,410 --> 00:22:25,543
You can feel the spirit
of those that died out here
342
00:22:25,576 --> 00:22:27,576
when we came out and we did--
343
00:22:27,610 --> 00:22:30,510
you know,
did just the rehearsal.
344
00:22:30,543 --> 00:22:32,510
Just since I've been here
in this town,
345
00:22:32,543 --> 00:22:36,043
I see the way
that they look at you
346
00:22:36,076 --> 00:22:39,176
and the--this feeling of
347
00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:41,710
"Nobody should say anything.
We don't want to talk."
348
00:22:41,743 --> 00:22:43,643
You know.
"Let's not talk about this."
349
00:22:57,643 --> 00:23:00,943
- Since 2005,
Civil Rights activists
350
00:23:00,976 --> 00:23:03,410
have returned
to the Moore's Ford Bridge
351
00:23:03,443 --> 00:23:06,310
to re-create the night
two black couples,
352
00:23:06,343 --> 00:23:08,176
Roger and Dorothy Malcom
353
00:23:08,210 --> 00:23:10,410
and George
and Mae Murray Dorsey,
354
00:23:10,443 --> 00:23:14,410
were lynched by
the Ku Klux Klan in 1946.
355
00:23:14,443 --> 00:23:15,676
No one has ever--
356
00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:17,543
- An outraged
President Harry Truman
357
00:23:17,576 --> 00:23:19,176
ordered
a federal investigation
358
00:23:19,210 --> 00:23:21,010
and a grand jury was convened,
359
00:23:21,043 --> 00:23:23,676
yet no indictments
were brought for the killings.
360
00:23:23,710 --> 00:23:27,176
The FBI reopened
its case in 2007.
361
00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:28,643
Georgia state
representatives--
362
00:23:28,676 --> 00:23:31,210
- The reenactment serves
as a dramatic call to action
363
00:23:31,243 --> 00:23:33,910
and an annual reminder
to the Monroe community
364
00:23:33,943 --> 00:23:36,776
that an injustice
has never been corrected.
365
00:23:36,810 --> 00:23:39,343
Chelsea Bailey, NBC News.
366
00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:45,010
- And this place is an eerie
place, you know?
367
00:23:45,043 --> 00:23:50,576
I didn't remember
until we came here today
368
00:23:50,610 --> 00:23:53,843
that we went up
under this bridge
369
00:23:53,876 --> 00:23:56,043
and there was writings
370
00:23:56,076 --> 00:23:58,676
that the Ku Klux Klanhad put under this--
371
00:23:58,710 --> 00:24:01,610
under this very bridgethat we're standing on.
372
00:24:01,643 --> 00:24:03,210
- Wow.
373
00:24:20,243 --> 00:24:23,910
because I'm helping to,
- It m hopefully,l sad.
374
00:24:23,943 --> 00:24:28,443
bring some closure to what
happened with these families.
375
00:24:30,976 --> 00:24:33,910
It's intense just watching
the reenactment.
376
00:24:33,943 --> 00:24:36,076
It's intense thinking
about the fact
377
00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:38,776
that it's getting ready
to happen again.
378
00:24:48,843 --> 00:24:51,076
- All right, one more time.
Sharice, I need you louder.
379
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:53,810
Sharice?
Action.
380
00:24:53,843 --> 00:24:55,443
- I don't care. I wanna know.
This is my town.
381
00:24:55,476 --> 00:24:57,443
- I need you to stay. Please.
- I wanna know.
382
00:24:57,476 --> 00:24:59,476
- Nigger, what are you
doing on my land?
383
00:24:59,510 --> 00:25:01,310
- You have been with my wife!
- Come on back.
384
00:25:01,343 --> 00:25:03,243
- You're a lying man!
- What is going on?
385
00:25:03,276 --> 00:25:04,943
- Nigger, get off my land.
386
00:25:04,976 --> 00:25:06,343
- I'll get off your land
when you--
387
00:25:06,376 --> 00:25:08,243
- Roger--
388
00:25:08,276 --> 00:25:10,243
- You still hit him
upthe back, but that's good.
389
00:25:10,276 --> 00:25:12,143
Okay. Good. Good.
390
00:25:12,176 --> 00:25:13,876
- You killed him.
391
00:25:13,910 --> 00:25:15,310
- That's "Mr. Malcom" to you.
392
00:25:15,343 --> 00:25:17,876
Good. Okay.
You all right, Mr. Barney?
393
00:25:17,910 --> 00:25:19,110
Yeah.
394
00:25:19,143 --> 00:25:20,610
That was good. Look.
395
00:25:20,643 --> 00:25:22,743
They keep wanting to stab you
in your back, but it's okay.
396
00:25:22,776 --> 00:25:25,476
We'll get it in the front,
I think.
397
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:28,876
All right, so that's scene one.
We're going to the next scene.
398
00:25:28,910 --> 00:25:30,510
I will be directing
399
00:25:30,543 --> 00:25:33,110
the Moore's Ford Bridge
lynching reenactment
400
00:25:33,143 --> 00:25:35,576
for my third year this year.
401
00:25:35,610 --> 00:25:40,276
I've been doing plays for
about 10 or 11 years now.
402
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:43,776
It was all because
of social issues that I saw
403
00:25:43,810 --> 00:25:47,176
that needed to be addressed
that no one wanted to address,
404
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:50,476
and those are the issues
that I go for.
405
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:54,543
Fire!
406
00:25:54,576 --> 00:25:56,510
No more moving.
407
00:25:56,543 --> 00:25:59,243
It wasn't just
killing these people.
408
00:25:59,276 --> 00:26:01,310
It was overkill.
409
00:26:01,343 --> 00:26:03,610
They were shot so many times.
410
00:26:03,643 --> 00:26:06,743
Dorothy being pregnant
didn't matter.
411
00:26:06,776 --> 00:26:08,576
Pulls it up. Yep. "Got it."
412
00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:11,176
"Got it, boss." Down.
413
00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:14,376
The baby was taken
out of her body.
414
00:26:14,410 --> 00:26:16,410
A baby.
415
00:26:16,443 --> 00:26:18,043
Out of a woman's body.
416
00:26:18,076 --> 00:26:20,776
Whether black, white...
417
00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:24,043
so we
really push that part
418
00:26:24,076 --> 00:26:28,510
so that they know
that this was some sick stuff.
419
00:26:28,543 --> 00:26:30,643
- Okay.
- All right, actors.
420
00:26:30,676 --> 00:26:33,076
How did y'all--how did y'all--
you all dead folk.
421
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:35,243
How do y'all feel about--
y'all get up.
422
00:26:40,043 --> 00:26:42,943
This year, we're trying
to bring in more actors
423
00:26:42,976 --> 00:26:44,643
to play Klansmen.
424
00:26:46,510 --> 00:26:49,843
Believe it or not,
it's hard to get whites
425
00:26:49,876 --> 00:26:53,510
that live in the area
to participate
426
00:26:53,543 --> 00:26:56,143
because a lot of people are
actually afraid
427
00:26:56,176 --> 00:27:00,910
of coming out
and facing what happened.
428
00:27:06,510 --> 00:27:10,110
When we go into Monroe,
I mean, you can feel,
429
00:27:10,143 --> 00:27:13,610
like, "What the heck
are you all doing here?"
430
00:27:17,743 --> 00:27:18,910
- Since I've been here,
every year
431
00:27:18,943 --> 00:27:20,343
they have the reenactment,
432
00:27:20,376 --> 00:27:21,676
and in my opinion,
433
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:22,976
leave the past in the past.
434
00:27:23,010 --> 00:27:24,643
Let these people rest.
435
00:27:26,410 --> 00:27:29,243
- You know, I directed
the first two reenactments,
436
00:27:29,276 --> 00:27:31,943
and I had a whole crew
of white people
437
00:27:31,976 --> 00:27:33,543
that played the Klan.
438
00:27:33,576 --> 00:27:34,876
And it was just two days
439
00:27:34,910 --> 00:27:37,243
before we were supposed
to have the reenactment,
440
00:27:37,276 --> 00:27:39,210
and all these guys
had backed out
441
00:27:39,243 --> 00:27:41,510
and were saying that
they couldn't do it.
442
00:27:41,543 --> 00:27:44,710
So we used white masks
and things on black people
443
00:27:44,743 --> 00:27:46,443
to play Klan that first year.
444
00:27:48,343 --> 00:27:50,676
- They had swastikas drawn on,
and there were black people
445
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:52,376
that had colored
their faces in white,
446
00:27:52,410 --> 00:27:56,443
and could you imagine us
doing a blackface reenactment?
447
00:27:56,476 --> 00:28:00,710
It would be on every news thing
in the entire world.
448
00:28:00,743 --> 00:28:03,510
When you have a reenactment
of something that horrific
449
00:28:03,543 --> 00:28:04,910
every single year,
450
00:28:04,943 --> 00:28:08,210
what does it
teach young black people?
451
00:28:08,243 --> 00:28:10,610
But I think what we need to do
is say, "That happened,
452
00:28:10,643 --> 00:28:12,510
but look where we are today."
453
00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:17,576
- I think it's one of the most
greatest things
454
00:28:17,610 --> 00:28:19,976
that ever happened
in Walton County
455
00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:22,043
because we--we want justice.
456
00:28:22,076 --> 00:28:26,310
We need justice, and that
has not happened as of yet.
457
00:28:28,976 --> 00:28:34,543
- Any injustice affects
everybody that's around it.
458
00:28:34,576 --> 00:28:38,243
So why are we so afraid
of the truth coming out?
459
00:28:38,276 --> 00:28:41,176
Why are we so afraid
to talk about it?
460
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:44,476
And that's what
the reenactment does--
461
00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:46,676
Keeps it in the light.
462
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:47,976
We don't want anything
in the dark.
463
00:28:48,010 --> 00:28:49,576
Bring it to the light.
464
00:29:08,376 --> 00:29:12,810
- They desecrated the grave
five days after he was buried.
465
00:29:12,843 --> 00:29:15,610
They took--took his flowers
off of it
466
00:29:15,643 --> 00:29:17,510
and
threw 'em way back over here,
467
00:29:17,543 --> 00:29:21,610
and the West Bladen
Styrofoam WB,
468
00:29:21,643 --> 00:29:23,076
they took and broke it,
469
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:25,510
threw it way over
by the street.
470
00:29:25,543 --> 00:29:27,876
You see how the sand is?
471
00:29:27,910 --> 00:29:31,576
They had dug a hole
deep enough where the guy,
472
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:34,143
one of his classmates,
stuck his arm way up here.
473
00:29:34,176 --> 00:29:35,810
He stuck his arm all the way
in the hole
474
00:29:35,843 --> 00:29:38,110
where they had dug the
grave--dug sand out of it
475
00:29:38,143 --> 00:29:40,943
like they were trying
to dig up his grave, yeah.
476
00:29:40,976 --> 00:29:43,210
And they said it was not racial
or a hate crime.
477
00:29:43,243 --> 00:29:46,276
I said, "I don't know
why it wouldn't be."
478
00:29:53,610 --> 00:29:56,443
Lennon as an individual,
losing his uncle,
479
00:29:56,476 --> 00:29:59,576
which is more or less
like a grandfather,
480
00:29:59,610 --> 00:30:03,376
and then having his first
major, serious breakup
481
00:30:03,410 --> 00:30:06,576
with a female,
482
00:30:06,610 --> 00:30:08,710
I guess people would say
that would be a lot
483
00:30:08,743 --> 00:30:11,676
for a teenager to deal with,
484
00:30:11,710 --> 00:30:13,476
but Lennon was not
a typical teenager.
485
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:14,643
Like--
486
00:30:14,676 --> 00:30:16,376
- Sorry, the...
- Yeah. I know it.
487
00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:17,710
I know it.
I hate that thing.
488
00:30:17,743 --> 00:30:18,743
- That was real good, though.
You got it.
489
00:30:18,776 --> 00:30:20,676
- I hate that thing.
490
00:30:21,776 --> 00:30:23,176
But Lennon,
when he was a child,
491
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:24,743
he could not stand that thing.
492
00:30:24,776 --> 00:30:28,043
He would do this.
He would scream.
493
00:30:28,076 --> 00:30:32,210
He would cover his ears.
He did not like that train.
494
00:31:02,043 --> 00:31:04,476
He was the biggest kid I had,
495
00:31:04,510 --> 00:31:06,610
and I'm like,
I gained a lot of weight,
496
00:31:06,643 --> 00:31:08,443
but trust me,
running around behind Lennon,
497
00:31:08,476 --> 00:31:11,910
it was easy to get rid of
'cause he kept me running.
498
00:31:21,776 --> 00:31:24,343
- I think Lennon was
about four.
499
00:31:24,376 --> 00:31:27,843
Pierre had taught him
his ABCs by rap.
500
00:31:27,876 --> 00:31:31,976
He said, "a-A, a-B,"
and, it was hilarious.
501
00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:34,710
And Pierre was like--
502
00:31:34,743 --> 00:31:37,076
he was like his hero.
503
00:31:38,776 --> 00:31:41,676
- Me and Lennon's relationship
was kind of--I don't know.
504
00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:43,643
It was just like
he was my influence
505
00:31:43,676 --> 00:31:46,510
as much as I was
his influence, you know?
506
00:31:46,543 --> 00:31:48,976
I wanted to do better
because he was--
507
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:51,376
I knew he was watching me
and paying attention.
508
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:56,510
His thing was football,
and he was really good at it.
509
00:31:57,776 --> 00:32:02,843
My mom and Lennon moved
to North Carolina in 2012.
510
00:32:02,876 --> 00:32:04,076
He took it hard because
511
00:32:04,110 --> 00:32:06,543
he really
didn't want to leave.
512
00:32:06,576 --> 00:32:08,743
He was born in Virginia;
he lived in Virginia.
513
00:32:08,776 --> 00:32:11,110
He wanted to go
to college in Virginia.
514
00:32:11,143 --> 00:32:14,676
So I had to...
515
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:16,276
You know, persuade him
that it'll be okay,
516
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:18,443
that you're gonna
make new friends,
517
00:32:18,476 --> 00:32:21,343
and then he would calm down.
He'd be like, "You're right.
518
00:32:21,376 --> 00:32:22,876
That's why I'm glad
I called you," you know?
519
00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:24,710
We would have those...
520
00:32:24,743 --> 00:32:28,010
I would just be like, "Man, you
got a lot of growing up to do,
521
00:32:28,043 --> 00:32:29,876
but you'll be all right.
You know what I'm saying?"
522
00:32:32,576 --> 00:32:34,976
- I was born in Bladen County,
Bladenboro,
523
00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:36,510
right here in this same town.
524
00:32:36,543 --> 00:32:39,510
So he made it his home because
he had a lot of family here.
525
00:32:41,776 --> 00:32:43,476
The neighbors here--
526
00:32:43,510 --> 00:32:45,610
there was only him
and Justin Jones
527
00:32:45,643 --> 00:32:48,510
and Trey Hudson.
528
00:32:48,543 --> 00:32:50,276
They were the only
three teenage boys
529
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:51,443
in this neighborhood.
530
00:32:51,476 --> 00:32:52,843
You wouldn't see one
without the other.
531
00:32:52,876 --> 00:32:55,343
You would see Justin
coming down past my house.
532
00:32:55,376 --> 00:32:56,910
He'd get Lennon,
and then they'd go over
533
00:32:56,943 --> 00:32:59,043
to Trey's or vice versa.
534
00:33:00,676 --> 00:33:03,643
- Lennon was funny,
protective,
535
00:33:03,676 --> 00:33:06,976
just an all-around
good friend.
536
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:08,710
You couldn't ask
for a better friend.
537
00:33:10,776 --> 00:33:13,710
We'd hang out
like teenagers do.
538
00:33:13,743 --> 00:33:15,443
Walk to the park at night.
539
00:33:15,476 --> 00:33:16,943
He had asthma,
540
00:33:16,976 --> 00:33:19,276
so he wanted to walk at night,
and I was like, "All right."
541
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:22,610
He'd come get me
about 1:00 in the morning.
542
00:33:22,643 --> 00:33:26,776
Yeah, Lennon didn't drink,
didn't smoke, didn't do drugs.
543
00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:29,410
He'd drink water and Powerade.
544
00:33:29,443 --> 00:33:31,476
- Hey, how you doing?
545
00:33:33,576 --> 00:33:35,776
- We'd talk a lot.
We'd talk about everything.
546
00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:37,476
Like brothers. Every day.
547
00:33:37,510 --> 00:33:40,176
I have a tattoo of himon my arm.
548
00:33:40,210 --> 00:33:41,376
Lennon Lacy.
549
00:33:46,810 --> 00:33:48,910
- We had so many good times.
Like...
550
00:33:48,943 --> 00:33:49,976
he was funny.
551
00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:53,010
He was funny.
552
00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:04,676
But...
553
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:08,176
yeah, he was--he was
like my brother, though.
554
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:17,443
- Yeah,
I know it must be difficult.
555
00:34:17,476 --> 00:34:18,676
You must miss him.
556
00:34:23,776 --> 00:34:26,376
- I only knew him
for two years,
557
00:34:26,410 --> 00:34:31,076
but them two years,
we were like that.
558
00:34:33,010 --> 00:34:34,743
He's still in
all of our minds.
559
00:34:34,776 --> 00:34:37,076
We're not gonna let it go.
560
00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:40,176
We just want to know
what happened,
561
00:34:40,210 --> 00:34:44,676
but all of us think
it's not a suicide.
562
00:34:48,843 --> 00:34:53,576
- From day one,
nothing was done right.
563
00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:56,343
They found my brother
on a Friday night.
564
00:34:56,376 --> 00:35:00,076
They put us on hold
because it was--
565
00:35:00,110 --> 00:35:03,110
I think it was like,
Memorial Day, Labor Day,
566
00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:04,476
one of them days.
567
00:35:04,510 --> 00:35:08,476
It didn't make no sense.
The police station was closed.
568
00:35:10,476 --> 00:35:13,743
We sat there with no answers
from Friday night
569
00:35:13,776 --> 00:35:15,910
until Tuesday.
570
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:20,176
Then they, on Tuesday--
571
00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:24,210
they come to the house
and then they tell my mom,
572
00:35:24,243 --> 00:35:27,643
"Sorry for your loss.
It was suicide."
573
00:35:27,676 --> 00:35:30,443
And then they walk
back outside.
574
00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:33,976
So I asked them-
-I'm like,
575
00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:35,476
"Well, how did you
get to that point?
576
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:37,510
What did you rule out?"
577
00:35:37,543 --> 00:35:39,176
One of his response was,
578
00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:42,943
"Are you telling me
that I didn't do my job?"
579
00:35:42,976 --> 00:35:44,543
I said,
"Well, I'm not telling you
580
00:35:44,576 --> 00:35:46,076
"that you didn't do your job.
581
00:35:46,110 --> 00:35:50,076
I'm just saying
you could do your job better."
582
00:35:50,110 --> 00:35:52,976
He said,
"Well, if you know anything
583
00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:57,543
"or if you have any information
that you come up with,
584
00:35:57,576 --> 00:35:59,643
give me a call
and let me know."
585
00:36:01,876 --> 00:36:03,343
I said, "Okay."
586
00:36:03,376 --> 00:36:05,143
I said,
"If I find out anything,
587
00:36:05,176 --> 00:36:07,510
I'll call you
and let you know."
588
00:36:07,543 --> 00:36:11,776
And I did. I found out
a whole lot of stuff.
589
00:36:11,810 --> 00:36:15,643
I found out way more stuff
than he found out.
590
00:36:23,610 --> 00:36:25,610
- I've been working on
murder cases
591
00:36:25,643 --> 00:36:27,076
in the state
of North Carolina
592
00:36:27,110 --> 00:36:30,143
for almost 20 years.
593
00:36:31,443 --> 00:36:35,010
Claudia is a remarkably
strong woman
594
00:36:35,043 --> 00:36:38,210
but was so emotionally raw
595
00:36:38,243 --> 00:36:40,676
that Pierre really did step up
596
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:45,376
and take on a central role
in the investigation.
597
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:48,010
When I started looking at
the steps law enforcement took
598
00:36:48,043 --> 00:36:49,643
and I started
interviewing people
599
00:36:49,676 --> 00:36:51,576
like the
local medical examiner,
600
00:36:51,610 --> 00:36:53,643
who told me that he
was trying
601
00:36:53,676 --> 00:36:55,410
to take pictures
of the death scene,
602
00:36:55,443 --> 00:36:59,043
and law enforcement
seized his camera from him--
603
00:36:59,076 --> 00:37:02,843
which, in 16 years of
working on murder cases,
604
00:37:02,876 --> 00:37:06,043
I have never heard that before.
605
00:37:08,543 --> 00:37:10,276
The SBI stands for
606
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:13,410
the "North Carolina State
Bureau of Investigation."
607
00:37:13,443 --> 00:37:15,076
What concerned me
about this case
608
00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:17,976
was that they brought
in Agent Paul Songalewski,
609
00:37:18,010 --> 00:37:20,510
who had never investigated
a homicide.
610
00:37:20,543 --> 00:37:25,110
He's brought in whenever
there's a suspected suicide.
611
00:37:25,143 --> 00:37:26,410
When you're approaching
612
00:37:26,443 --> 00:37:28,776
any sort of death scene
investigation,
613
00:37:28,810 --> 00:37:32,610
you want to make sure that
these are seasoned detectives
614
00:37:32,643 --> 00:37:34,010
that know the importance
615
00:37:34,043 --> 00:37:36,176
of preserving
the forensic evidence
616
00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:38,843
to ensure
that it's not a homicide
617
00:37:38,876 --> 00:37:41,510
that is staged
to look like a suicide.
618
00:37:43,643 --> 00:37:45,476
Based on my investigation,
619
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:47,010
I feel strongly that
620
00:37:47,043 --> 00:37:49,310
whoever made
that call to bring him in
621
00:37:49,343 --> 00:37:53,210
wanted this investigation to be
steered a certain direction.
622
00:37:59,310 --> 00:38:01,710
In that part of the state,
particularly
623
00:38:01,743 --> 00:38:05,176
all the way across
along the South Carolina line,
624
00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:09,943
it's a belt that is known
for white supremacist history,
625
00:38:09,976 --> 00:38:12,010
particularly during
the Civil Rights movement
626
00:38:12,043 --> 00:38:15,676
because there was still
a very heavy KKK presence
627
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:17,976
and a lot of intimidation
by people
628
00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:21,676
who were in positions
of power at that point.
629
00:38:25,176 --> 00:38:27,210
But that isn't
ancient history,
630
00:38:27,243 --> 00:38:30,943
and a lot of the people
involved in lynchings
631
00:38:30,976 --> 00:38:34,076
and covering up the lynchings,
they're still around today,
632
00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:36,610
some of which are still
in law enforcement
633
00:38:36,643 --> 00:38:38,676
and their children
are in law enforcement.
634
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:41,710
- White power!
635
00:38:41,743 --> 00:38:44,510
- This black community has felt
636
00:38:44,543 --> 00:38:47,543
that law enforcement had not
been addressing its needs
637
00:38:47,576 --> 00:38:50,076
for a long time in Bladenboro.
638
00:38:50,110 --> 00:38:53,076
They had felt there was
a lot of police misconduct.
639
00:38:54,543 --> 00:38:59,110
Between 2002-2006, there was
a large federal investigation
640
00:38:59,143 --> 00:39:01,243
in Bladen County
and Robeson County
641
00:39:01,276 --> 00:39:03,843
that led to the arrest
of police officers
642
00:39:03,876 --> 00:39:06,243
who were actually
heavily involved
643
00:39:06,276 --> 00:39:08,910
in narcotics trafficking.
644
00:39:08,943 --> 00:39:11,243
They would also
pull over drivers
645
00:39:11,276 --> 00:39:13,143
of African American descent.
646
00:39:13,176 --> 00:39:14,643
They would harass them
for money,
647
00:39:14,676 --> 00:39:16,643
take the money,
and then let them go,
648
00:39:16,676 --> 00:39:19,176
and it would never
be documented.
649
00:39:19,210 --> 00:39:20,710
So you had concerns
650
00:39:20,743 --> 00:39:23,310
from the African American
community:
651
00:39:23,343 --> 00:39:26,176
"Was there more to this story?
What happened?
652
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:27,710
This doesn't make sense."
653
00:39:31,343 --> 00:39:34,710
As I started researching
black males
654
00:39:34,743 --> 00:39:36,243
committing suicide in public,
655
00:39:36,276 --> 00:39:38,776
and I realized there had been
almost 20 black males
656
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:43,110
found hanging in public parks
over just the last few years--
657
00:39:43,143 --> 00:39:44,743
and when I realized
658
00:39:44,776 --> 00:39:48,076
how quickly law enforcement
that responded to those scenes
659
00:39:48,110 --> 00:39:51,310
deemed those deaths suicide,
660
00:39:51,343 --> 00:39:53,943
I became quite concerned
that there may be
661
00:39:53,976 --> 00:39:58,043
a bigger surreptitious
movement at play, here.
662
00:39:58,076 --> 00:40:00,810
Evidence in this case
suggests that steps taken
663
00:40:00,843 --> 00:40:04,710
by responding officers
and investigators
664
00:40:04,743 --> 00:40:08,210
failed to meet even the
minimum accepted guidelines
665
00:40:08,243 --> 00:40:11,576
and practices for death
scene investigations.
666
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:14,776
That is a large part
of the reason
667
00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:19,143
we have been compelled to ask
the U.S. Department of Justice
668
00:40:19,176 --> 00:40:21,376
and the FBI to conduct
its own investigation
669
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:22,876
into the death
of Lennon Lacy.
670
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:24,310
Thank you.
671
00:40:26,876 --> 00:40:29,343
- An autopsy for a Bladen
County teen found dead
672
00:40:29,376 --> 00:40:32,876
in August shows
no indication of foul play.
673
00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:35,010
- The response that occurred
in this case
674
00:40:35,043 --> 00:40:37,110
and the investigation
which has followed
675
00:40:37,143 --> 00:40:39,176
has been nothing
short of professional,
676
00:40:39,210 --> 00:40:41,576
and I'm proud to be
a part of this outfit.
677
00:40:41,610 --> 00:40:43,276
- The family certainly
don't think so,
678
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:44,943
and I have to say,
having been down there
679
00:40:44,976 --> 00:40:46,610
and spent quite a bit of time
on this story...
680
00:40:46,643 --> 00:40:47,610
- Yeah.
- It doesn't look
681
00:40:47,643 --> 00:40:48,776
very professional to me.
682
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:59,743
- We march today.
Why?
683
00:40:59,776 --> 00:41:05,143
the truth about Lennon's death.
684
00:41:06,976 --> 00:41:09,476
- The medical examiner noted
that she was not presented
685
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:11,476
with any photographs
or dimensions
686
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:13,376
of that
swing set in question,
687
00:41:13,410 --> 00:41:15,343
meaning that it was impossible
for her to know
688
00:41:15,376 --> 00:41:19,376
with absolute certainty that
Lennon Lacy had hung himself.
689
00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:22,743
- The last time Claudia Lacy
saw her 17 year-old son,
690
00:41:22,776 --> 00:41:24,210
Lennon Lacy,
691
00:41:24,243 --> 00:41:26,143
was around the time
he snapped this selfie.
692
00:41:26,176 --> 00:41:29,176
"Last night pic
before the game."
693
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:31,810
- That does not sound like
a person that was planning
694
00:41:31,843 --> 00:41:33,943
on killing himself.
695
00:41:33,976 --> 00:41:36,743
State Bureau of Investigation
and Bladen Police
696
00:41:36,776 --> 00:41:39,410
never searched his room
for a suicide note.
697
00:41:39,443 --> 00:41:41,743
They never asked me
for his cell phone.
698
00:41:41,776 --> 00:41:44,543
- Lacy says she told state
investigators the belts used
699
00:41:44,576 --> 00:41:47,443
to fashion the noose
did not belong to Lennon.
700
00:41:47,476 --> 00:41:50,043
And Lennon's family says
he left home that night
701
00:41:50,076 --> 00:41:52,410
wearing size 12 Air Jordans,
702
00:41:52,443 --> 00:41:54,076
but he was found wearing
703
00:41:54,110 --> 00:41:56,243
these size 10 1/2
Air Force Ones.
704
00:41:56,276 --> 00:41:59,543
- No one knows what happened
that terrible night,
705
00:41:59,576 --> 00:42:02,110
August 28-29,
706
00:42:02,143 --> 00:42:05,843
59 years to the day
after the death of Emmett Till.
707
00:42:07,543 --> 00:42:10,243
- Local news covered a Ku Klux
Klan rally in a nearby county
708
00:42:10,276 --> 00:42:12,943
just weeks before
Lennon's body was found.
709
00:42:12,976 --> 00:42:14,243
- Go to work!
710
00:42:17,643 --> 00:42:19,110
- When I saw Lennon Lacy,
711
00:42:19,143 --> 00:42:21,776
he looked as
if he'd been in a fight.
712
00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:25,143
I've seen guys that I've
dealt with in mortuary science
713
00:42:25,176 --> 00:42:26,843
that had been
in barroom fights,
714
00:42:26,876 --> 00:42:27,943
and that's
what it looked like.
715
00:42:27,976 --> 00:42:29,043
It looked like somebody
716
00:42:29,076 --> 00:42:31,810
that had not survived
a barroom fight.
717
00:42:31,843 --> 00:42:34,476
He had some bruises
along the side of his temple.
718
00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:36,643
I saw lacerations.
719
00:42:36,676 --> 00:42:37,976
He wasn't marked up here;
720
00:42:38,010 --> 00:42:40,776
he was marked up on his forearm
on the outside,
721
00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:42,876
consistent
with defending yourself.
722
00:42:42,910 --> 00:42:44,210
I know this is a murder.
723
00:42:44,243 --> 00:42:46,476
I believe it and understand it
and see it.
724
00:42:46,510 --> 00:42:48,310
You know, I just thought
I was one of many
725
00:42:48,343 --> 00:42:49,943
who'd come to
the clear understanding
726
00:42:49,976 --> 00:42:52,076
of what had taken place here.
727
00:42:53,876 --> 00:42:58,943
- Claudia Lacy has a right
to refuse to be comforted.
728
00:42:58,976 --> 00:43:01,510
She has a right.
Pierre has a right.
729
00:43:01,543 --> 00:43:03,176
These young babies
have a right.
730
00:43:03,210 --> 00:43:07,076
This community has a right
to demand more investigation
731
00:43:07,110 --> 00:43:10,676
and refuse to be comforted
by easy answers.
732
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:12,710
This was...
733
00:43:12,743 --> 00:43:15,510
this is her son.
734
00:43:15,543 --> 00:43:16,676
That's right.
735
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:19,610
- We want you to hear his name.
736
00:43:19,643 --> 00:43:21,810
- Somebody say it. Lennon...
- Lennon...
737
00:43:21,843 --> 00:43:23,376
- Lacy.
- Lacy!
738
00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:24,743
- Lennon...
- Lennon.
739
00:43:24,776 --> 00:43:25,976
- Lacy!
- Lacy!
740
00:43:26,010 --> 00:43:27,343
- Lennon!
- Lennon!
741
00:43:27,376 --> 00:43:28,376
- Lacy!
- Lacy!
742
00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:29,576
- Lennon!
- Lennon!
743
00:43:29,610 --> 00:43:30,710
- Lacy!
- Lacy!
744
00:43:30,743 --> 00:43:31,943
- Lennon!
- Lennon!
745
00:43:31,976 --> 00:43:33,210
- Lacy!
- Lacy!
746
00:43:33,243 --> 00:43:34,743
- Justice!
- Justice!
747
00:43:34,776 --> 00:43:35,843
- Now!
- Now!
748
00:43:35,876 --> 00:43:38,610
- Don't be calm.
Be concerned.
749
00:43:38,643 --> 00:43:41,610
A child has died!
750
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:51,143
- When do you want it?
- Now!
751
00:43:51,176 --> 00:43:53,176
- What do you want?
- Justice!
752
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:54,610
- When do you want it?
- Now!
753
00:43:54,643 --> 00:43:59,776
- What do you want?
- Justice!
754
00:43:59,810 --> 00:44:06,943
- When do you want it?
- Now!
755
00:44:06,976 --> 00:44:09,176
- The FBI has announced
that it will investigate
756
00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:10,910
the case of Lennon Lacy
757
00:44:10,943 --> 00:44:13,010
to determine whether
the 17 year-old's death
758
00:44:13,043 --> 00:44:16,810
was a suicide or actually
the result of a lynching.
759
00:44:16,843 --> 00:44:19,276
Lacy's family and friends
have been pushing
760
00:44:19,310 --> 00:44:21,110
for the federal investigation.
761
00:44:21,143 --> 00:44:23,210
The county coroner also says
he now questions
762
00:44:23,243 --> 00:44:24,543
if it was a suicide.
763
00:44:24,576 --> 00:44:26,010
- Lennon!
- Lennon!
764
00:44:26,043 --> 00:44:28,010
- Lacy!
- Lacy!
765
00:44:28,043 --> 00:44:29,476
- Lennon!
- Lennon!
766
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:31,843
- Lacy!
- Lacy!
767
00:44:31,876 --> 00:44:33,443
- Lennon!
- Lennon!
768
00:44:33,476 --> 00:44:36,376
- Lacy!
- Lacy!
769
00:44:42,143 --> 00:44:45,910
- "October 26, 1934.
770
00:44:45,943 --> 00:44:47,776
"To the Honorable
David Sholtz,
771
00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:51,010
"governor,
Tallahassee, Florida.
772
00:44:51,043 --> 00:44:53,476
"Associated Press
just informed us
773
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:55,910
"that a mob will take
Claude Neal,
774
00:44:55,943 --> 00:44:57,910
"tie him to a stake,
775
00:44:57,943 --> 00:45:00,110
"and permit the father
of the dead girl
776
00:45:00,143 --> 00:45:03,876
"to light fire
to burn Neal to death.
777
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:06,510
"Stop.
778
00:45:06,543 --> 00:45:09,410
"We urge upon you
to take immediate steps
779
00:45:09,443 --> 00:45:14,210
"to rescue negro from mob
and place him in safe custody.
780
00:45:14,243 --> 00:45:15,910
"Stop.
781
00:45:18,910 --> 00:45:21,476
"Walter White, secretary,
782
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:22,943
"National Association
783
00:45:22,976 --> 00:45:24,943
for the Advancement
of Colored People."
784
00:45:32,776 --> 00:45:38,310
- Well, we moved to Atlanta
before I turned three,
785
00:45:38,343 --> 00:45:41,076
so I spent
my earliest years here.
786
00:45:41,110 --> 00:45:44,643
And my Granddaddy Reeves
was a textile mill worker
787
00:45:44,676 --> 00:45:47,043
in a textile mill
in north Georgia.
788
00:45:47,076 --> 00:45:50,410
He raised five children
through the Great Depression,
789
00:45:50,443 --> 00:45:55,543
and I found out many years
later from my grandmother
790
00:45:55,576 --> 00:45:57,076
something
that I never would've guessed,
791
00:45:57,110 --> 00:46:00,843
and that was that he had been,
at some point,
792
00:46:00,876 --> 00:46:03,010
a member of the Ku Klux Klan.
793
00:46:03,043 --> 00:46:06,410
And consequently I got involved
with a local organization
794
00:46:06,443 --> 00:46:08,343
that monitored hate groups,
795
00:46:08,376 --> 00:46:11,543
and I volunteered to do
infiltration work at rallies
796
00:46:11,576 --> 00:46:12,876
and other gatherings
797
00:46:12,910 --> 00:46:15,343
to see what kind of information
I could gather.
798
00:46:15,376 --> 00:46:17,643
And that's when I realized
799
00:46:17,676 --> 00:46:20,876
that Klan and white
supremacist groups in general
800
00:46:20,910 --> 00:46:23,543
had undergone a metamorphosis.
801
00:46:23,576 --> 00:46:24,910
You had newer groups
802
00:46:24,943 --> 00:46:28,676
that were openly worshipful
of Adolf Hitler
803
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:30,810
and his whole ideology.
804
00:46:30,843 --> 00:46:34,943
That indicated that we weren't
talking about a moribund group
805
00:46:34,976 --> 00:46:37,443
that was going to fade away.
806
00:46:37,476 --> 00:46:39,143
- While we're waiting
for the guys,
807
00:46:39,176 --> 00:46:41,210
can you go through your speech
for us, please?
808
00:46:41,243 --> 00:46:45,410
- It is posted online if
youwant to get an idea of it,
809
00:46:45,443 --> 00:46:48,710
and there's one pointat
which one of the people
810
00:46:48,743 --> 00:46:50,376
in the crowd will call out,
811
00:46:50,410 --> 00:46:52,976
"What about those lyingAtlanta newspapers here?"
812
00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:54,276
- Who's doing that?
813
00:46:54,310 --> 00:46:55,576
We gonna stop right there.
Who's gonna do that?
814
00:46:55,610 --> 00:46:57,010
- Well, we're looking
forsomebody with a good voice--
815
00:46:57,043 --> 00:46:59,576
The reason
why I felt called upon
816
00:46:59,610 --> 00:47:04,143
to do the Governor Talmadge
speech at the reenactment
817
00:47:04,176 --> 00:47:10,310
is that Eugene Talmadge was
essentially the Klan candidate
818
00:47:10,343 --> 00:47:12,043
for governor here in Georgia.
819
00:47:14,610 --> 00:47:17,410
When I discovered
that Governor Talmadge
820
00:47:17,443 --> 00:47:20,410
had actually given one of his
race-baiting stump speeches
821
00:47:20,443 --> 00:47:23,176
in Monroe, Georgia,
822
00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:26,510
prior to the murders
at the ford,
823
00:47:26,543 --> 00:47:29,143
I felt it was necessary
that we should have
824
00:47:29,176 --> 00:47:32,143
a historically
accurate presentation
825
00:47:32,176 --> 00:47:35,943
of exactly what the folks
in Monroe would've heard.
826
00:48:03,843 --> 00:48:05,710
'Cause I am dedicated.
827
00:48:09,643 --> 00:48:11,643
- Just want to remind you
828
00:48:11,676 --> 00:48:12,910
that the poor dirt farmer's
829
00:48:12,943 --> 00:48:15,676
got only three friends
on this earth.
830
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:21,043
That's God, Sears Roebuck,
and Eugene Talmadge.
831
00:48:21,076 --> 00:48:23,610
And Eugene Talmadge.
832
00:48:25,076 --> 00:48:28,343
This state was essentially run
833
00:48:28,376 --> 00:48:31,343
on the basis of terrorism.
834
00:48:32,243 --> 00:48:34,043
Until we come to grips
with the fact
835
00:48:34,076 --> 00:48:37,076
that this has happened
repeatedly,
836
00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:39,110
we're always going
to be in danger
837
00:48:39,143 --> 00:48:42,776
of relapsing into
that kind of horror again,
838
00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:45,576
and it seems to me,
as a son of the South,
839
00:48:45,610 --> 00:48:47,943
that I have a responsibility
to do everything I can
840
00:48:47,976 --> 00:48:50,110
to make sure
that doesn't happen.
841
00:49:33,376 --> 00:49:37,076
- I grew up in Henry County.
Dad was Klan.
842
00:49:37,110 --> 00:49:40,243
We had a big, black
Lincoln Mercury,
843
00:49:40,276 --> 00:49:43,343
and Dad had a tall, red cross
844
00:49:43,376 --> 00:49:45,710
that he mounted
on the hood of the car.
845
00:49:45,743 --> 00:49:49,276
He had an extra battery
under the hood that ran it.
846
00:49:49,310 --> 00:49:51,576
And when it was not in use,
847
00:49:51,610 --> 00:49:53,143
it was stored in the closet
in my room.
848
00:49:53,176 --> 00:49:55,910
My room was on the very
back part of the house,
849
00:49:55,943 --> 00:49:57,676
and my closet
was the very smallest,
850
00:49:57,710 --> 00:50:00,276
most personal, quiet place
in the house
851
00:50:00,310 --> 00:50:02,510
that nobody was likely to look.
852
00:50:05,276 --> 00:50:10,110
- My dad was part
of the command of the Klan.
853
00:50:10,143 --> 00:50:13,376
He worked with Dr. Green.
854
00:50:13,410 --> 00:50:15,076
We went to a lot of rallies,
855
00:50:15,110 --> 00:50:18,510
a lot of bonfires,
a lot of parades.
856
00:50:18,543 --> 00:50:21,643
A lot of the rallies
were at Stone Mountain.
857
00:50:21,676 --> 00:50:23,276
At time,
it was kind of awesome.
858
00:50:23,310 --> 00:50:25,943
You know, it was, like,
lights and action,
859
00:50:25,976 --> 00:50:29,076
and there were a lot of
other children to play with.
860
00:50:29,110 --> 00:50:30,176
That was fun.
861
00:50:30,210 --> 00:50:33,676
But--but then it got
pretty scary too.
862
00:50:39,276 --> 00:50:40,943
This was when they were
getting ready to go away
863
00:50:40,976 --> 00:50:44,110
on their trip
after the wedding.
864
00:50:44,143 --> 00:50:46,376
I knew the Talmadges.
865
00:50:46,410 --> 00:50:49,243
My dad and Eugene
were friends,
866
00:50:49,276 --> 00:50:51,610
so being one of the ladies
867
00:50:51,643 --> 00:50:53,643
that supported the Talmadges
was really easy for me.
868
00:50:53,676 --> 00:50:56,410
That wasn't something I had
to figure out how to do.
869
00:50:58,010 --> 00:51:00,643
That's my favorite picture
of my mother.
870
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:04,776
My mother was kind
and gentle woman.
871
00:51:04,810 --> 00:51:07,776
She didn't know how to deal
with my daddy either.
872
00:51:07,810 --> 00:51:10,143
There're many times
that she's apologized,
873
00:51:10,176 --> 00:51:12,143
after we got to be adults,
874
00:51:12,176 --> 00:51:16,543
for the things she let us
be subjected to.
875
00:51:16,576 --> 00:51:20,043
I was three years old
when I saw my father
876
00:51:20,076 --> 00:51:22,476
and his friends
hang a black man.
877
00:51:27,010 --> 00:51:29,843
It was late,
878
00:51:29,876 --> 00:51:32,776
and the fire was roaring.
879
00:51:32,810 --> 00:51:36,443
And the men were there
in their robes.
880
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:41,343
Mother and my sister
and I stayed in the car.
881
00:51:44,576 --> 00:51:49,410
And then some of the men
arrived with the black man.
882
00:51:53,076 --> 00:51:57,410
The Klan had
the man's hands bound.
883
00:51:57,443 --> 00:52:01,443
I could tell there was
something wrong,
884
00:52:01,476 --> 00:52:03,843
but I didn't understand what
885
00:52:03,876 --> 00:52:06,676
until they hung him.
886
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:10,076
And when I saw it happening,
887
00:52:10,110 --> 00:52:12,610
my mother reached around me
and put her hand over my mouth
888
00:52:12,643 --> 00:52:14,276
and pulled me to her
889
00:52:14,310 --> 00:52:16,476
so that I wouldn't
speak out loud.
890
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:24,643
It was hard to believe that
that was really my dad
891
00:52:24,676 --> 00:52:26,276
and his friends that I knew
892
00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:29,976
that ate fish
and hushpuppies at the house.
893
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:34,143
But it was.
It was the same people.
894
00:52:34,176 --> 00:52:36,743
I never knew any of the details
except what I witnessed,
895
00:52:36,776 --> 00:52:39,576
and I was too afraid to ask.
896
00:52:39,610 --> 00:52:43,076
I never talked about it
until Daddy died.
897
00:52:43,110 --> 00:52:46,610
- It's all drawn from stuff
that Talmadge actually said.
898
00:52:46,643 --> 00:52:49,210
- Some of the people involved
in the reenactment
899
00:52:49,243 --> 00:52:50,643
are involved in it
for the sheer purpose
900
00:52:50,676 --> 00:52:53,143
of finding the guilty parties.
901
00:52:53,176 --> 00:52:55,543
But for me,
902
00:52:55,576 --> 00:52:58,043
something's going
to alter the conversation
903
00:52:58,076 --> 00:53:00,676
we have about race,
904
00:53:00,710 --> 00:53:04,243
and if it's a reenactment,
wonderful.
905
00:53:04,276 --> 00:53:06,610
We all need to keep doing
whatever it is
906
00:53:06,643 --> 00:53:08,543
we think will make
the difference.
907
00:53:08,576 --> 00:53:10,710
- Well, who was--
who said they'd say,
908
00:53:10,743 --> 00:53:12,576
"Four dead niggers
are better than one"?
909
00:53:12,610 --> 00:53:14,143
John? No--
- No, that wasn't me.
910
00:53:14,176 --> 00:53:16,143
- Not you.
Who's the one that said it?
911
00:53:16,176 --> 00:53:18,543
Not you.
912
00:53:18,576 --> 00:53:21,410
You need to talk to me.
Do you want to say it?
913
00:53:21,443 --> 00:53:23,810
Okay. You scared me.
914
00:53:23,843 --> 00:53:27,076
Okay, so I need somebody
that will say,
915
00:53:27,110 --> 00:53:30,376
"Four dead niggers
are better than one."
916
00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:32,943
You gonna say that?
Yeah, say that.
917
00:53:32,976 --> 00:53:35,243
I mean, let's--yeah,
that makes it easier.
918
00:53:35,276 --> 00:53:37,143
Okay, Roger?
919
00:53:49,476 --> 00:53:52,776
- Move it out.
Thank you.
920
00:53:52,810 --> 00:53:54,576
Thank you for your cooperation.
921
00:53:54,610 --> 00:53:57,510
We have over a hundred cars
in the motorcade.
922
00:54:00,776 --> 00:54:02,610
- I'm Martha Dorsey.
923
00:54:02,643 --> 00:54:05,976
My grandfather and George
were brothers.
924
00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:09,810
- I wish I had came before,
but this is my first time.
925
00:54:09,843 --> 00:54:13,476
And I am tremendously
enjoying myself
926
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:15,943
to learn about my history.
927
00:54:19,076 --> 00:54:20,910
- I don't know if it's
a good thing or not.
928
00:54:20,943 --> 00:54:23,010
I appreciate
what they're doing,
929
00:54:23,043 --> 00:54:24,376
and hopefully,
they'll eventually,
930
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:28,443
one day bring the remaining
killers to justice.
931
00:54:28,476 --> 00:54:31,610
- The hurt is still there.
932
00:54:46,043 --> 00:54:49,310
- We want that nigger Roger!
933
00:54:49,343 --> 00:54:52,143
You is a dead man, boy.
934
00:54:52,176 --> 00:54:55,076
- No!
- Take him down!
935
00:54:55,110 --> 00:54:56,076
- Let them go!
936
00:54:56,110 --> 00:54:58,543
This isn't right!
937
00:54:58,576 --> 00:55:02,510
- Please give me everything
y'all got.
938
00:55:02,543 --> 00:55:05,543
Every emotion.
Everything.
939
00:55:05,576 --> 00:55:07,043
Okay?
- Yes, ma'am.
940
00:55:07,076 --> 00:55:09,343
- Because these were people's
lives that were lost,
941
00:55:09,376 --> 00:55:11,410
and I need
everything you all got.
942
00:55:11,443 --> 00:55:12,910
Okay.
943
00:55:18,343 --> 00:55:19,576
Action.
944
00:55:19,610 --> 00:55:21,243
- All right, boys,
take 'em down there.
945
00:55:30,743 --> 00:55:33,443
- What are you doing?
946
00:55:33,476 --> 00:55:37,176
- We're making an example to
all the niggers in Georgia.
947
00:55:37,210 --> 00:55:40,076
You don't touch a white man.
948
00:55:40,110 --> 00:55:42,510
- Leave Roger alone.
- What are you doing?
949
00:55:52,243 --> 00:55:54,910
- Let's go see. Check 'em out.
- Check the other one.
950
00:55:54,943 --> 00:55:57,443
- Hold on.
All right, now.
951
00:55:57,476 --> 00:55:58,743
- Roger!
952
00:56:08,643 --> 00:56:10,910
- That's victory for white
Christianity.
953
00:56:10,943 --> 00:56:12,476
Good job.
954
00:56:12,510 --> 00:56:14,710
- Whoo.
- Good job.
955
00:56:14,743 --> 00:56:15,976
- Whoo-ee.
- Good job.
956
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:19,110
- Good work. Good work.
- That'll teach him!
957
00:56:19,143 --> 00:56:20,376
That'll teach him!
- Where is he?
958
00:56:20,410 --> 00:56:22,010
- That'll teach him.
- Good job, men.
959
00:56:23,543 --> 00:56:24,776
- Is this good, boss?
960
00:56:27,576 --> 00:56:30,910
- That's real nice, Johnny.
That's real nice.
961
00:56:30,943 --> 00:56:32,510
- What'd he do?
- Pulled the baby out.
962
00:56:52,076 --> 00:56:55,443
- That's why.
Because it's history.
963
00:56:55,476 --> 00:56:57,976
To bring the history to them.
964
00:57:28,110 --> 00:57:30,743
- "First they cut off
his penis,
965
00:57:30,776 --> 00:57:33,810
and he was made to eat it."
966
00:57:37,410 --> 00:57:41,710
"Then they sliced his sides
and stomach with knives,
967
00:57:41,743 --> 00:57:43,076
"and every now and then,
968
00:57:43,110 --> 00:57:47,143
"somebody would cut
off a finger or a toe.
969
00:57:48,943 --> 00:57:52,476
"From time to time, a rope
would be tied around his neck,
970
00:57:52,510 --> 00:57:54,043
"and he was pulled over a limb
971
00:57:54,076 --> 00:57:57,343
"and held there until
he almost choked to death.
972
00:57:59,210 --> 00:58:03,776
After several hours, they
decided just to kill him."
973
00:58:07,476 --> 00:58:09,376
"Then the crowd came by,
974
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:13,376
"and some kicked him and some
drove their cars over him.
975
00:58:13,410 --> 00:58:17,876
"After slashing and
shooting him into mincemeat,
976
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:20,343
"the mob hanged him on a tree
977
00:58:20,376 --> 00:58:23,943
"on the east side
of the courthouse lawn.
978
00:58:25,810 --> 00:58:28,743
"Photographers said they would
soon have pictures of the body
979
00:58:28,776 --> 00:58:31,876
for sale at 50ยข each."
980
00:58:44,676 --> 00:58:48,910
- I think what most people
have a hard time appreciating
981
00:58:48,943 --> 00:58:52,310
is if you were black and alive
in many parts of this country
982
00:58:52,343 --> 00:58:56,743
in the 20th century,
you were always at risk.
983
00:58:56,776 --> 00:59:00,210
You were always a target.
984
00:59:00,243 --> 00:59:03,843
You were always an object
to be victimized,
985
00:59:03,876 --> 00:59:06,210
to be humiliated,
to be taunted,
986
00:59:06,243 --> 00:59:09,110
to be sexually exploited,
to be killed.
987
00:59:09,143 --> 00:59:11,076
And there was no respite.
988
00:59:11,110 --> 00:59:13,443
There was never a moment
when you were allowed
989
00:59:13,476 --> 00:59:17,010
to feel like you can be safe
for just a little while.
990
00:59:17,043 --> 00:59:18,543
You were always in season.
991
00:59:25,543 --> 00:59:28,176
- Most black men were lynched
because they were accused
992
00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:31,543
of having sexually assaulted
a white woman,
993
00:59:31,576 --> 00:59:34,276
for murder or some violent act
994
00:59:34,310 --> 00:59:36,876
committed
usually against a white man.
995
00:59:36,910 --> 00:59:41,643
But sometimes it could just be
having violated the rules of,
996
00:59:41,676 --> 00:59:43,410
you know,
not having tipped one's hat
997
00:59:43,443 --> 00:59:44,976
or having left
the side of the street
998
00:59:45,010 --> 00:59:46,876
when a white person
was walking past.
999
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:51,976
It could be being
regarded as uppity.
1000
00:59:54,510 --> 00:59:57,810
And it really involves
a process of dehumanization
1001
00:59:57,843 --> 01:00:01,443
that the black man had to be
physically restrained,
1002
01:00:01,476 --> 01:00:03,476
that he was over-sexualized,
1003
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:07,876
that he was naturally
and inherently violent
1004
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:11,143
or something
that's not human.
1005
01:00:12,910 --> 01:00:16,143
And it's this very insidious
process of dehumanization
1006
01:00:16,176 --> 01:00:19,076
that begins always with words
1007
01:00:19,110 --> 01:00:21,710
that allows
average individuals
1008
01:00:21,743 --> 01:00:23,043
to stand and watch
1009
01:00:23,076 --> 01:00:25,443
and to participate
and sometimes cheer
1010
01:00:25,476 --> 01:00:28,376
while another human being
is brutally murdered.
1011
01:01:41,276 --> 01:01:44,410
- I had taken a job over
at the grocery store
1012
01:01:44,443 --> 01:01:46,476
right here in the neighborhood
at the deli,
1013
01:01:46,510 --> 01:01:48,676
and I was waiting
on a customer,
1014
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:52,210
and I had turned around
with his order,
1015
01:01:52,243 --> 01:01:53,843
and it dawned on me
1016
01:01:53,876 --> 01:01:56,710
as I looked
to the dining area that--
1017
01:01:56,743 --> 01:01:58,843
that somewhere in this crowd,
there is a murder,
1018
01:01:58,876 --> 01:02:01,376
and he knows what he's done--
1019
01:02:01,410 --> 01:02:04,510
or she or they.
1020
01:02:04,543 --> 01:02:07,910
And that day was the day
that I realized
1021
01:02:07,943 --> 01:02:12,476
there is still someone out here
that is responsible.
1022
01:02:20,810 --> 01:02:23,543
- Well, there's a lot of things
we would like to be able to do,
1023
01:02:23,576 --> 01:02:25,710
but with such a small staff,
1024
01:02:25,743 --> 01:02:28,510
there's things that we
just aren't able to do
1025
01:02:28,543 --> 01:02:30,776
because we still have
all the other things
1026
01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:31,910
going on in this county.
1027
01:02:34,210 --> 01:02:37,076
I have honestly not heard
anyone talking about the fact
1028
01:02:37,110 --> 01:02:39,743
of whether there's still
a murderer on the loose
1029
01:02:39,776 --> 01:02:42,276
in regards to this.
1030
01:02:42,310 --> 01:02:44,343
Honestly, I think that
the majority of the folks
1031
01:02:44,376 --> 01:02:45,910
have just come to grips
with the fact
1032
01:02:45,943 --> 01:02:48,576
that this is gonna be ruled
a suicide in the end.
1033
01:02:50,343 --> 01:02:52,343
It's been several months
1034
01:02:52,376 --> 01:02:55,210
since the one-year
anniversary of it.
1035
01:02:55,243 --> 01:02:56,410
But it's been quiet,
1036
01:02:56,443 --> 01:02:59,376
and everybody's just
kind of waiting now.
1037
01:02:59,410 --> 01:03:01,210
And I think the sooner,
the better
1038
01:03:01,243 --> 01:03:03,810
to get this behind us.
1039
01:03:07,343 --> 01:03:10,410
I honestly don't believe
that the investigation
1040
01:03:10,443 --> 01:03:12,910
has been lacking
from the very beginning.
1041
01:03:12,943 --> 01:03:14,810
I don't think that there's
been any kind of cover-up
1042
01:03:14,843 --> 01:03:17,510
by the local
law enforcement folks.
1043
01:03:17,543 --> 01:03:19,676
Nobody wants to believe
that their child
1044
01:03:19,710 --> 01:03:21,276
could do such a thing,
1045
01:03:21,310 --> 01:03:24,243
and I would probably want to
go to all ends of the Earth
1046
01:03:24,276 --> 01:03:28,176
to make sure that any and
all possible investigations
1047
01:03:28,210 --> 01:03:30,176
and questions were answered.
1048
01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:32,710
But to that end,
at some point you've got to--
1049
01:03:32,743 --> 01:03:35,110
you've got to realize that
they've done all they can.
1050
01:03:39,610 --> 01:03:42,610
There is another side
to the coin as far as,
1051
01:03:42,643 --> 01:03:45,443
you know, the family unit
and negligence
1052
01:03:45,476 --> 01:03:47,143
and that kind of thing.
1053
01:03:47,176 --> 01:03:49,710
You know, the fact
that this teenage boy at 15,
1054
01:03:49,743 --> 01:03:51,076
16 years old was involved
1055
01:03:51,110 --> 01:03:53,376
with a 30-year-old woman
in the neighborhood,
1056
01:03:53,410 --> 01:03:56,810
that he was regularly out after
midnight on school nights.
1057
01:03:56,843 --> 01:03:59,376
So those are
the kinds of things
1058
01:03:59,410 --> 01:04:02,043
that started to percolate
1059
01:04:02,076 --> 01:04:04,410
as this went on
during that first year.
1060
01:04:12,576 --> 01:04:14,710
- I was 32 when I met Lennon.
1061
01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:21,710
Lennon and I didn't really
look at our age difference.
1062
01:04:24,276 --> 01:04:27,543
From the time I met Lennon,
1063
01:04:27,576 --> 01:04:31,076
it felt like it was
meant to be.
1064
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:37,376
I mean, you don't choose
who you fall in love with.
1065
01:04:44,376 --> 01:04:45,610
- Yeah.
1066
01:04:45,643 --> 01:04:49,210
This is the only thing
of his that I have left.
1067
01:04:49,243 --> 01:04:51,910
They came over and told me they
wanted everything of Lennon's.
1068
01:04:51,943 --> 01:04:54,743
So I hid this.
1069
01:04:54,776 --> 01:04:56,543
- So did you--did they take
everything but that?
1070
01:04:56,576 --> 01:04:58,310
- Yes.
1071
01:05:04,443 --> 01:05:07,143
- His mother says 17-year-old
Lennon had been dating
1072
01:05:07,176 --> 01:05:09,243
a 32-year-old white woman.
1073
01:05:09,276 --> 01:05:11,610
The age of consent
in North Carolina is 16.
1074
01:05:11,643 --> 01:05:13,210
Still,
1075
01:05:13,243 --> 01:05:16,176
some people in this small
Southern town did not like it.
1076
01:05:16,210 --> 01:05:18,843
In the wake of his hanging,
some wondered if he was killed
1077
01:05:18,876 --> 01:05:22,210
because he was in
an interracial relationship.
1078
01:05:24,676 --> 01:05:26,143
- We never talked
about the race thing.
1079
01:05:26,176 --> 01:05:28,176
We talked about
the age thing...
1080
01:05:28,210 --> 01:05:30,110
because of the simple fact
1081
01:05:30,143 --> 01:05:32,810
I knew that she was
a woman of experience.
1082
01:05:32,843 --> 01:05:34,210
She had three kids of her own.
1083
01:05:34,243 --> 01:05:37,776
My son was not
compatible with her.
1084
01:05:37,810 --> 01:05:39,510
I said--
I asked her, as a mother--
1085
01:05:39,543 --> 01:05:41,943
I said,
"So you need to end this.
1086
01:05:41,976 --> 01:05:45,676
Either you end it,
or we will end it."
1087
01:05:45,710 --> 01:05:47,143
She continued to see him
1088
01:05:47,176 --> 01:05:49,843
as if I hadn't even said
anything to her about it.
1089
01:05:52,043 --> 01:05:56,610
- Michelle and Lennon were
involved about seven months,
1090
01:05:56,643 --> 01:06:00,876
but Lennon didn't want
nobody to know for a while
1091
01:06:00,910 --> 01:06:04,043
because that whole--
that whole Michelle situation,
1092
01:06:04,076 --> 01:06:07,243
I--I--I knew it was
too much for him.
1093
01:06:07,276 --> 01:06:08,476
There was still stuff
1094
01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:11,243
that I didn't know
about Michelle myself.
1095
01:06:13,710 --> 01:06:15,743
- I had left my husband.
1096
01:06:15,776 --> 01:06:19,076
My children and I had just
came back from Illinois
1097
01:06:19,110 --> 01:06:21,310
and moved back
to North Carolina.
1098
01:06:21,343 --> 01:06:23,710
I was living with
Trey's mother,
1099
01:06:23,743 --> 01:06:25,743
Carla Hudson and Dewey Sykes.
1100
01:06:27,310 --> 01:06:30,076
There was probably,
I would say,
1101
01:06:30,110 --> 01:06:34,210
a hundred feet at the most
from Lennon's back door
1102
01:06:34,243 --> 01:06:38,743
to Dewey Sykes
and Carla Hudson's door.
1103
01:06:40,176 --> 01:06:44,243
Lennon was always at Trey's
house whenever I was there.
1104
01:06:44,276 --> 01:06:47,843
The first time I met Lennon,
1105
01:06:47,876 --> 01:06:50,243
I didn't think
that he was a teenager.
1106
01:06:50,276 --> 01:06:52,943
He looked a lot older
than what--
1107
01:06:52,976 --> 01:06:54,976
what he was.
1108
01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:58,443
He carried himself
like a gentleman.
1109
01:06:58,476 --> 01:07:02,643
He came over with Trey,
and they was hanging out,
1110
01:07:02,676 --> 01:07:05,510
and I was there with Carla,
hanging out.
1111
01:07:05,543 --> 01:07:08,576
I think my kids
had went to bed,
1112
01:07:08,610 --> 01:07:10,176
and Trey,
he was probably in the bedroom
1113
01:07:10,210 --> 01:07:11,243
with his girlfriend.
1114
01:07:11,276 --> 01:07:12,910
He was always
in there with her.
1115
01:07:12,943 --> 01:07:15,610
And Lennon was always
out there with us.
1116
01:07:15,643 --> 01:07:18,143
And then he...
1117
01:07:18,176 --> 01:07:21,043
started
kissing me on my neck,
1118
01:07:21,076 --> 01:07:22,476
and that's how it started.
1119
01:07:25,010 --> 01:07:26,776
- Now, this is where
Lennon lived,
1120
01:07:26,810 --> 01:07:28,843
and we'd go to Trey's house
1121
01:07:28,876 --> 01:07:30,510
and play football, basketball,
1122
01:07:30,543 --> 01:07:32,376
anything you want to play.
1123
01:07:32,410 --> 01:07:34,743
Walk through this little path
right here.
1124
01:07:34,776 --> 01:07:38,143
This is where Trey
and them lived, right here.
1125
01:07:38,176 --> 01:07:40,176
The house would be right there
in front of them bushes.
1126
01:07:40,210 --> 01:07:44,276
Carla Hudson's and Dewey Sykes
and Trey Hudson's.
1127
01:07:44,310 --> 01:07:47,010
This is the front door.
1128
01:07:47,043 --> 01:07:48,376
I'm walking right here
in the front door.
1129
01:07:48,410 --> 01:07:49,443
You know what I'm saying?
1130
01:07:49,476 --> 01:07:51,643
I thought it was real funny.
1131
01:07:51,676 --> 01:07:54,276
After a couple months
after Lennon died,
1132
01:07:54,310 --> 01:07:57,310
they moved everything out
and left the pool.
1133
01:07:57,343 --> 01:07:58,710
Left their dead dog there.
1134
01:07:58,743 --> 01:08:00,510
You know what I'm saying?
I would've dug my dog up.
1135
01:08:00,543 --> 01:08:02,810
You feel me?
I'd at least dug my dog up.
1136
01:08:02,843 --> 01:08:05,776
But no, they moved
everything out. Fast, too.
1137
01:08:05,810 --> 01:08:07,410
Real quick,
1138
01:08:07,443 --> 01:08:08,843
like they were running away
from something.
1139
01:08:08,876 --> 01:08:10,410
You know what I'm saying?
1140
01:08:10,443 --> 01:08:13,343
- Look, look--
no, it's too late. Come on.
1141
01:08:14,476 --> 01:08:17,076
Yeah, man's in court.
1142
01:08:18,810 --> 01:08:22,310
Probably shake hands
and all of that, man.
1143
01:08:26,943 --> 01:08:29,910
- Carla and Dewey Sykes
were pill poppers.
1144
01:08:29,943 --> 01:08:31,510
People would come and go,
1145
01:08:31,543 --> 01:08:33,610
buying and selling narcotics,
1146
01:08:33,643 --> 01:08:35,110
and I believe they even
1147
01:08:35,143 --> 01:08:37,443
supplied Michelle
with narcotics at times.
1148
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:41,343
- There you go, Trey.
1149
01:08:41,376 --> 01:08:43,843
Work him! Work him! Work him!
1150
01:08:43,876 --> 01:08:45,843
- Hell, yeah!
1151
01:08:45,876 --> 01:08:48,343
- Dewey Sykes? He known
for being racist.
1152
01:08:48,376 --> 01:08:53,276
About 2005, he hung a KKK flag
right there on the fence.
1153
01:08:53,310 --> 01:08:55,743
Hung the flag right there
that said, "Don't tread on me."
1154
01:08:55,776 --> 01:08:59,610
Rebel flag. Stuff like that.
He was known for it.
1155
01:08:59,643 --> 01:09:04,943
- Dewey didn't like the fact
that I was seeing Lennon,
1156
01:09:04,976 --> 01:09:09,043
and he would use the N-word
more than often.
1157
01:09:10,243 --> 01:09:12,843
There was one night,
Lennon got upset,
1158
01:09:12,876 --> 01:09:15,243
and he walked out of
Carla Hudson's house
1159
01:09:15,276 --> 01:09:20,910
and Lennon punched the fence
and he broke the wood.
1160
01:09:20,943 --> 01:09:26,543
And Dewey had threatened
Lennon with a gun.
1161
01:09:26,576 --> 01:09:28,976
- Dewey Sykes had a cousin
1162
01:09:29,010 --> 01:09:30,976
that is on
the Bladenboro police force
1163
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:34,243
but never seemed
to arrest his relatives
1164
01:09:34,276 --> 01:09:35,943
for the apparent
illegal activity
1165
01:09:35,976 --> 01:09:37,376
going on in their home.
1166
01:09:37,410 --> 01:09:38,910
That was the party spot.
1167
01:09:43,076 --> 01:09:44,610
- What happened
at Carla's house
1168
01:09:44,643 --> 01:09:46,910
stayed at Carla's house,
basically.
1169
01:09:46,943 --> 01:09:49,910
It was like Las Vegas.
1170
01:09:49,943 --> 01:09:53,710
Yeah. It was.
1171
01:10:00,743 --> 01:10:03,310
- Yeah, we was--Lennon and I
was committed to each other.
1172
01:10:03,343 --> 01:10:05,610
Yes. Yeah.
1173
01:10:05,643 --> 01:10:08,010
- Michelle Brimhall had
a drug problem,
1174
01:10:08,043 --> 01:10:10,510
and to support her drug habit,
1175
01:10:10,543 --> 01:10:13,210
she would have
quite a few companions,
1176
01:10:13,243 --> 01:10:16,110
and Lennon would
get very emotional
1177
01:10:16,143 --> 01:10:17,810
and upset about this.
1178
01:10:17,843 --> 01:10:19,110
They broke up in June.
1179
01:10:19,143 --> 01:10:20,476
He goes to Virginia,
1180
01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:22,810
spends a couple of weeks
with family, has a good time,
1181
01:10:22,843 --> 01:10:25,310
tries to get her
out of his head.
1182
01:10:25,343 --> 01:10:27,643
By the time he comes back,
he realized,
1183
01:10:27,676 --> 01:10:31,143
you know, she was still
seeing other people.
1184
01:10:31,176 --> 01:10:32,576
And even though
they had broken up,
1185
01:10:32,610 --> 01:10:35,043
I think Lennon was in love
with her,
1186
01:10:35,076 --> 01:10:37,010
and I think he felt
like this relationship
1187
01:10:37,043 --> 01:10:39,876
was going to turn
into something bigger.
1188
01:10:41,843 --> 01:10:43,876
But that night,
there was another man
1189
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:45,976
that arrived at her house,
1190
01:10:46,010 --> 01:10:48,810
and his first name
was Maurice.
1191
01:10:48,843 --> 01:10:51,910
He does have
a criminal history.
1192
01:10:51,943 --> 01:10:54,976
Lennon saw Maurice
go into the house,
1193
01:10:55,010 --> 01:10:59,443
and he was quite distraught
about it.
1194
01:11:01,243 --> 01:11:05,443
- He was pacing from his house
and Trey's house.
1195
01:11:05,476 --> 01:11:07,776
Every now and then, he would
come back to the house
1196
01:11:07,810 --> 01:11:12,310
with different information
that Carla and Trey
1197
01:11:12,343 --> 01:11:15,243
was feeding him
about Michelle.
1198
01:11:15,276 --> 01:11:19,343
So it was kind of like
they were fueling the anger.
1199
01:11:22,043 --> 01:11:24,843
But in the process
of all of this going on,
1200
01:11:24,876 --> 01:11:28,976
he still was preparing
for the next day.
1201
01:11:29,010 --> 01:11:32,710
The last thing he pretty much
did was pack his bag
1202
01:11:32,743 --> 01:11:35,676
for football practice.
1203
01:11:40,876 --> 01:11:44,176
- I don't know what happened.
1204
01:11:44,210 --> 01:11:45,776
I've thought about it
and thought about it
1205
01:11:45,810 --> 01:11:48,143
and thought of
so many different things.
1206
01:11:50,176 --> 01:11:52,276
It doesn't make any sense
1207
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:55,210
because Lennon has never done
anything to anybody.
1208
01:11:55,243 --> 01:11:58,110
I mean, who would want
to hurt him?
1209
01:12:01,043 --> 01:12:02,343
It's just-
-I don't know.
1210
01:12:02,376 --> 01:12:05,076
It doesn't make
any sense to me.
1211
01:12:21,976 --> 01:12:24,843
- I don't know
what happened,
1212
01:12:24,876 --> 01:12:28,376
but I wish he came
and knocked on my window
1213
01:12:28,410 --> 01:12:30,876
and asked me to walk
on that night
1214
01:12:30,910 --> 01:12:33,610
instead of walking out alone.
1215
01:12:35,743 --> 01:12:40,710
- We have been very careful
to proceed
1216
01:12:40,743 --> 01:12:43,043
in the search for truth.
1217
01:12:43,076 --> 01:12:46,876
If Lennon was white
1218
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:48,343
and found hanging
1219
01:12:48,376 --> 01:12:51,410
in a predominantly
black neighborhood,
1220
01:12:51,443 --> 01:12:54,943
would there have been a rush
1221
01:12:54,976 --> 01:12:58,610
to determine that the cause
of death was suicide?
1222
01:13:00,243 --> 01:13:05,110
What happens those first
few hours at a scene of death
1223
01:13:05,143 --> 01:13:07,710
has extraordinary impact
1224
01:13:07,743 --> 01:13:11,410
on how we are able
to ultimately find the truth.
1225
01:13:11,443 --> 01:13:15,743
They ought to be following the
standards of law enforcement
1226
01:13:15,776 --> 01:13:21,276
in every case regardless
of race, creed, class.
1227
01:13:21,310 --> 01:13:24,176
One standard of justice.
1228
01:13:24,210 --> 01:13:28,876
- Lawyers working on behalf of
Lennon's family had information
1229
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:31,343
which they believed was
critical for our determination
1230
01:13:31,376 --> 01:13:34,210
which they did not want
to give the SBI.
1231
01:13:34,243 --> 01:13:36,043
- It's very disappointing that
1232
01:13:36,076 --> 01:13:40,910
instead of actually conducting
any investigation
1233
01:13:40,943 --> 01:13:44,810
that would've made any sort
of forensic testing fruitful
1234
01:13:44,843 --> 01:13:46,643
and reliable,
1235
01:13:46,676 --> 01:13:50,543
this district attorney allowed
rumors in the community
1236
01:13:50,576 --> 01:13:54,710
to become so rampant instead
of searching for the truth.
1237
01:14:00,176 --> 01:14:03,143
- I should not have had
to wait as long as I have
1238
01:14:03,176 --> 01:14:05,143
to get to the answers
that I wanted.
1239
01:14:07,476 --> 01:14:09,210
To me, that makes me think
there was something
1240
01:14:09,243 --> 01:14:12,510
that had to be fixed up,
doctored up.
1241
01:14:16,243 --> 01:14:18,110
Tell me.
Show it to me.
1242
01:14:18,143 --> 01:14:23,210
Your saying it means nothing
to me if you cannot prove it.
1243
01:14:23,243 --> 01:14:25,043
I want to know,
I deserve to know,
1244
01:14:25,076 --> 01:14:26,910
and I have the right to know.
1245
01:14:26,943 --> 01:14:29,943
That's all I've askedfrom day one.
1246
01:15:13,710 --> 01:15:15,543
- "My mother was traumatized
when her brother,
1247
01:15:15,576 --> 01:15:18,476
"Claude Neal, was lynched.
1248
01:15:18,510 --> 01:15:20,243
"She went through total hell,
1249
01:15:20,276 --> 01:15:23,543
"and she put us
through total hell.
1250
01:15:23,576 --> 01:15:24,910
"She'd start talking about
1251
01:15:24,943 --> 01:15:27,843
"what the men did
to her brother.
1252
01:15:27,876 --> 01:15:30,910
"She smoked Camels
and drank moonshine.
1253
01:15:33,776 --> 01:15:35,576
"She'd kick her daughters
1254
01:15:35,610 --> 01:15:39,043
"and she'd make the kids
read the 23rd psalm out loud
1255
01:15:39,076 --> 01:15:41,876
"while she drank and cried.
1256
01:15:44,743 --> 01:15:47,076
"She just couldn't
take what happened.
1257
01:15:49,443 --> 01:15:51,910
"She would leave her
five children with relatives
1258
01:15:51,943 --> 01:15:55,810
"and disappear for months--
sometimes years.
1259
01:15:55,843 --> 01:15:58,776
"She'd return out of guilt
and whisk us off
1260
01:15:58,810 --> 01:16:01,943
"to some tiny house where
she'd try to make a home.
1261
01:16:03,976 --> 01:16:07,610
"When she was sober,
she was okay,
1262
01:16:07,643 --> 01:16:11,176
but she always slipped back
into dark places."
1263
01:16:16,776 --> 01:16:19,810
- One of the most disturbing
legacies of lynching
1264
01:16:19,843 --> 01:16:22,443
is generational trauma
1265
01:16:22,476 --> 01:16:25,443
within the black
and white communities.
1266
01:16:26,743 --> 01:16:28,443
And yet, very
different reactions
1267
01:16:28,476 --> 01:16:32,243
to the stories in the two
different communities.
1268
01:16:32,276 --> 01:16:35,376
Both communities were covered
in a shroud of silence:
1269
01:16:35,410 --> 01:16:39,076
blacks out of fear,
whites out of shame, I think,
1270
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:40,810
and fear also.
1271
01:16:40,843 --> 01:16:42,643
And that silence
was never lifted,
1272
01:16:42,676 --> 01:16:44,976
and so people are acting out
1273
01:16:45,010 --> 01:16:49,043
in the context
of that passed-on relationship,
1274
01:16:49,076 --> 01:16:52,410
and they don't know
what's at the heart of it.
1275
01:16:52,443 --> 01:16:54,476
And there are
all these institutions
1276
01:16:54,510 --> 01:16:57,376
that need to come clean
about this history.
1277
01:16:59,476 --> 01:17:01,710
This is true
of the legal community.
1278
01:17:01,743 --> 01:17:06,343
It's true of journalism.
It's true across the board.
1279
01:17:07,276 --> 01:17:09,243
Communities for themselves
have to come together
1280
01:17:09,276 --> 01:17:13,943
and talk about what they think
would repair the harm.
1281
01:17:13,976 --> 01:17:16,510
But if, together,
we face that history,
1282
01:17:16,543 --> 01:17:18,643
it leads to an opening
for dialogue;
1283
01:17:18,676 --> 01:17:20,876
it leads to an opening
for reconciliation.
1284
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:28,376
- Now, ladies and gentlemen,
that concludes the last scene.
1285
01:17:28,410 --> 01:17:32,010
We will return to
First African Baptist Church
1286
01:17:32,043 --> 01:17:33,510
for food and fellowship.
1287
01:17:33,543 --> 01:17:36,943
We have food waiting on you.
1288
01:17:36,976 --> 01:17:38,110
- The Moore's Ford
Memorial Committee
1289
01:17:38,143 --> 01:17:42,443
was started September of 1997.
1290
01:17:42,476 --> 01:17:46,643
We have a load of people here
for the reenactment,
1291
01:17:46,676 --> 01:17:48,276
but you can go around
and count the ones
1292
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:50,176
from Walton County
that'd be there.
1293
01:17:50,210 --> 01:17:56,610
So this stigma does still
touch people in a negative way.
1294
01:18:06,243 --> 01:18:08,410
Certain areas
of Walton County,
1295
01:18:08,443 --> 01:18:11,210
you can go
through these subdivisions,
1296
01:18:11,243 --> 01:18:14,376
and you look at the names
of the streets,
1297
01:18:14,410 --> 01:18:16,943
and it matches the names
1298
01:18:16,976 --> 01:18:19,810
that the FBI report
says are the suspects.
1299
01:18:21,710 --> 01:18:23,843
So it would really
be important
1300
01:18:23,876 --> 01:18:26,943
if we could get justice brought
1301
01:18:26,976 --> 01:18:29,176
on this particular case.
1302
01:18:40,643 --> 01:18:42,676
If we get a break, you know,
I'll make sure
1303
01:18:42,710 --> 01:18:44,610
I've got your phone number
before you leave here,
1304
01:18:44,643 --> 01:18:47,176
and, you know,
I'd be willing to call you
1305
01:18:47,210 --> 01:18:48,810
and let you know
what's happening.
1306
01:18:48,843 --> 01:18:50,476
Hopefully, you know,
we'll have closure
1307
01:18:50,510 --> 01:18:52,243
on this thing pretty soon.
1308
01:18:59,110 --> 01:19:01,476
- Is Reverend Sammy
still out here?
1309
01:19:03,143 --> 01:19:07,543
Tell him we want him to bring
some words of closure, prayer,
1310
01:19:07,576 --> 01:19:10,010
and a message.
1311
01:21:01,176 --> 01:21:02,776
- "The United States
Attorney's Office
1312
01:21:02,810 --> 01:21:05,043
"announced today that,
following its investigation
1313
01:21:05,076 --> 01:21:07,043
"into the death
of Lennon Lacy,
1314
01:21:07,076 --> 01:21:08,610
"there is no evidence
to pursue
1315
01:21:08,643 --> 01:21:12,043
"federal criminal
civil rights charges.
1316
01:21:13,243 --> 01:21:14,910
"Officials from
the Justice Department's
1317
01:21:14,943 --> 01:21:16,176
"civil rights division,
1318
01:21:16,210 --> 01:21:17,576
"the U.S. Attorney's Office
1319
01:21:17,610 --> 01:21:19,343
"with the Eastern District
of North Carolina,
1320
01:21:19,376 --> 01:21:21,743
"and the Federal Bureau
of Investigation met today
1321
01:21:21,776 --> 01:21:25,376
with Lennon Lacy's family to
inform them of this decision."
1322
01:21:32,276 --> 01:21:34,743
- "The FBI assessment
has confirmed
1323
01:21:34,776 --> 01:21:36,776
"my initial opinion
1324
01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:38,676
"that the investigation
conducted
1325
01:21:38,710 --> 01:21:41,343
"by the State Bureau
of Investigation
1326
01:21:41,376 --> 01:21:44,210
"and the Bladenboro Police
Department was complete,
1327
01:21:44,243 --> 01:21:47,310
"thorough, and professional.
1328
01:21:47,343 --> 01:21:50,510
"I would like to take
this opportunity to highlight
1329
01:21:50,543 --> 01:21:54,443
"the hard work and dedication
of the SBI special agent
1330
01:21:54,476 --> 01:21:57,443
"who went above
and beyond the call of duty
1331
01:21:57,476 --> 01:22:01,210
to see that justice
was done in this matter."
1332
01:22:18,610 --> 01:22:21,476
- "After a careful
and thorough review
1333
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:24,976
"by a team of experts,
1334
01:22:25,010 --> 01:22:27,610
"the Justice Department
found no evidence to suggest
1335
01:22:27,643 --> 01:22:31,576
"that Lennon's death
was a homicide.
1336
01:22:34,143 --> 01:22:38,176
The investigation into
the incident has been closed."
1337
01:22:46,010 --> 01:22:51,343
One page for 17 years
1338
01:22:51,376 --> 01:22:52,876
of a person's life.
1339
01:23:06,943 --> 01:23:09,376
- Although the federal
authorities found
1340
01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:11,410
there was no evidence
of foul play,
1341
01:23:11,443 --> 01:23:15,443
that's not conclusive
that there was not foul play.
1342
01:23:15,476 --> 01:23:18,076
They're saying there was
no evidence of foul play.
1343
01:23:23,176 --> 01:23:26,510
The biggest reason
that we're never gonna be able
1344
01:23:26,543 --> 01:23:28,276
to know the truth
1345
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:33,376
is law enforcement just did
not do their job adequately.
1346
01:23:33,410 --> 01:23:35,710
It was a cursory investigation,
1347
01:23:35,743 --> 01:23:39,610
and they jumped
to a conclusion,
1348
01:23:39,643 --> 01:23:41,110
and that was all she wrote.
1349
01:23:53,043 --> 01:23:55,443
- His friends, his neighbors,
1350
01:23:55,476 --> 01:23:57,976
the kids
that he interacted with
1351
01:23:58,010 --> 01:24:03,210
looked at me with disbelief.
1352
01:24:03,243 --> 01:24:04,943
That's what made me push.
1353
01:24:06,276 --> 01:24:08,210
And I'm gonna continue
until I get the answers
1354
01:24:08,243 --> 01:24:11,076
for them
as well as for myself.
1355
01:24:21,176 --> 01:24:24,910
The more people know about it,
that's my way of grieving.
1356
01:24:25,943 --> 01:24:28,376
The more they understand
and hear his story,
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