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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:21,542 --> 00:00:22,876 Here, here, here, here. 2 00:00:22,959 --> 00:00:25,834 - He's here. - Okay, you got him? 3 00:00:25,918 --> 00:00:27,751 - Yeah, he's here. - He's here, he's here. 4 00:00:27,834 --> 00:00:30,417 I'd hit play. 5 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:32,751 - I got one officer down. - I got one officer down. 6 00:00:32,834 --> 00:00:35,876 Police. Send the medics over here. 7 00:00:35,959 --> 00:00:39,334 They're coming, they're coming, they're coming. 8 00:00:43,876 --> 00:00:47,292 This another officer? 9 00:00:47,375 --> 00:00:49,292 Don't worry. 10 00:00:49,375 --> 00:00:50,792 Oh, my God. 11 00:00:50,876 --> 00:00:53,792 - Sean, no! - Sean! 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,584 Sean! 13 00:00:57,667 --> 00:01:02,209 - Don't worry. - Sean! Sean! 14 00:01:02,292 --> 00:01:04,459 - Sean! - Do you have the description? 15 00:01:04,542 --> 00:01:07,083 No, I don't have a description. 16 00:01:07,167 --> 00:01:08,876 I need Foxtrot, I need Foxtrot. 17 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,292 I need that unit medic right now. 18 00:01:10,375 --> 00:01:11,918 Sean! 19 00:01:14,876 --> 00:01:16,643 - Hold on, hold on. - Get his legs, get his legs. 20 00:01:16,667 --> 00:01:18,959 We should wait for the medic. 21 00:01:19,042 --> 00:01:21,083 - Transport him in a car. - Officer's down. 22 00:01:21,167 --> 00:01:23,417 Officer down. 23 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:24,792 We got to transport. 24 00:01:24,876 --> 00:01:26,375 We got any suspect information? 25 00:01:26,459 --> 00:01:27,709 I didn't see anyone. 26 00:01:27,792 --> 00:01:29,667 Sean was calling me to come over here, 27 00:01:29,751 --> 00:01:32,083 and I came around the corner, and shots were fired. 28 00:01:32,167 --> 00:01:34,542 I was watching the other side. 29 00:01:37,417 --> 00:01:38,959 Come on, bud, what happened? 30 00:01:39,042 --> 00:01:40,351 We were watching 'cause we thought 31 00:01:40,375 --> 00:01:42,000 we saw someone in the alley. 32 00:01:42,083 --> 00:01:43,226 Sean was covering that corner, 33 00:01:43,250 --> 00:01:44,667 and I was covering over there. 34 00:01:44,751 --> 00:01:46,751 All of a sudden, Sean called me over. 35 00:01:46,834 --> 00:01:48,194 As I was running around the corner, 36 00:01:48,250 --> 00:01:50,792 he started firing, and as he started firing, 37 00:01:50,876 --> 00:01:51,959 Sean fell. 38 00:01:52,042 --> 00:01:53,685 I didn't even see where the shots were coming from. 39 00:01:53,709 --> 00:01:55,459 - Did you fire? - I did not fire. 40 00:01:55,542 --> 00:01:57,125 Okay, okay. 41 00:01:59,083 --> 00:02:01,459 Baltimore City Police Detective Sean Suiter has died. 42 00:02:01,542 --> 00:02:04,292 A man who protected this city for nearly two decades. 43 00:02:04,375 --> 00:02:06,375 Suspicious killing of a police officer 44 00:02:06,459 --> 00:02:07,667 roiling the city of Baltimore. 45 00:02:07,751 --> 00:02:08,834 A father of five. 46 00:02:08,918 --> 00:02:12,751 Someone who gave his life in the line of duty. 47 00:02:13,959 --> 00:02:16,125 Everybody in a bad spot, let's get covered. 48 00:02:19,959 --> 00:02:22,751 Just before 5:00, our 18-year veteran 49 00:02:22,834 --> 00:02:26,042 homicide detective was shot in the head. 50 00:02:28,083 --> 00:02:31,250 Officer's gun and officer's radio back there. 51 00:02:31,334 --> 00:02:33,042 They were investigating a murder. 52 00:02:33,125 --> 00:02:37,334 They observed a man engaged in suspicious behaviors. 53 00:02:37,417 --> 00:02:39,292 Detective Suiter got out of his car, 54 00:02:39,375 --> 00:02:42,125 badge displayed on his waistband. 55 00:02:42,209 --> 00:02:44,542 There was no eyewitness to the shooting. 56 00:02:44,626 --> 00:02:47,542 Suiter was gunned down in the violent Harlem Park area. 57 00:02:47,626 --> 00:02:51,042 His partner was around the corner, shots rang out. 58 00:02:53,959 --> 00:02:55,334 This ain't "Law & Order" 59 00:02:55,417 --> 00:02:56,643 where they find a gun every episode. 60 00:02:56,667 --> 00:02:58,959 You got to work for that shit. 61 00:03:00,500 --> 00:03:03,250 We have notoriously one of the most corrupt 62 00:03:03,334 --> 00:03:05,751 police forces in the country. 63 00:03:05,834 --> 00:03:08,083 I hope they looking for the truth. 64 00:03:08,167 --> 00:03:10,042 I want the truth. 65 00:03:10,125 --> 00:03:13,375 - He was shot in the head. - How did this happen? 66 00:03:13,459 --> 00:03:14,918 Who did it? 67 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,918 Officer down. 68 00:03:19,792 --> 00:03:23,375 There are a myriad of things that could have taken place. 69 00:03:23,459 --> 00:03:25,125 I can theorize. 70 00:03:25,209 --> 00:03:27,167 Pshh, it's Baltimore, don't be surprised 71 00:03:27,250 --> 00:03:28,690 about anything that takes place here. 72 00:03:28,751 --> 00:03:32,500 We want justice! We want justice! 73 00:03:32,584 --> 00:03:34,334 We want justice! 74 00:03:34,417 --> 00:03:36,125 - Sean deserves... - Justice! 75 00:03:36,209 --> 00:03:38,000 - Sean deserves... - Justice! 76 00:03:38,083 --> 00:03:39,834 - Sean deserves... - Justice! 77 00:03:39,918 --> 00:03:41,834 - Sean deserves... - Justice! 78 00:03:41,918 --> 00:03:43,584 - Sean deserves... - Justice! 79 00:03:43,667 --> 00:03:45,459 - Sean deserves... - Justice! 80 00:03:45,542 --> 00:03:47,500 Sean deserves... 81 00:04:27,083 --> 00:04:32,000 Without Sean, life's been different. 82 00:04:32,083 --> 00:04:34,792 Very different. 83 00:04:34,876 --> 00:04:38,500 But, you know, even the strong get weak sometimes. 84 00:04:38,584 --> 00:04:40,375 Everybody always say, "You strong, 85 00:04:40,459 --> 00:04:43,834 you strong, you strong," 86 00:04:43,918 --> 00:04:47,334 but... 87 00:04:47,417 --> 00:04:51,667 I'm not as strong as everybody think I am. 88 00:04:53,250 --> 00:04:54,709 Especially losing your husband 89 00:04:54,792 --> 00:04:58,709 after 17 years being together, 90 00:04:58,792 --> 00:05:00,876 that's tough. 91 00:05:03,792 --> 00:05:05,834 Give me my kiss. 92 00:05:05,918 --> 00:05:07,375 Mwah! 93 00:05:07,459 --> 00:05:10,500 Give me my kiss. Kissy, kissy. 94 00:05:10,584 --> 00:05:12,417 Mwah! 95 00:05:25,250 --> 00:05:27,667 In Baltimore City, 96 00:05:27,751 --> 00:05:30,125 you can be the most credible person in the world 97 00:05:30,209 --> 00:05:33,542 and have a video of Sean Suiter 98 00:05:33,626 --> 00:05:35,083 actually being murdered, 99 00:05:35,167 --> 00:05:37,167 and you could take that to the cops, 100 00:05:37,250 --> 00:05:38,959 and they probably still wouldn't arrest 101 00:05:39,042 --> 00:05:40,375 whoever murdered that man 102 00:05:40,459 --> 00:05:42,667 or however that situation happened. 103 00:05:49,751 --> 00:05:51,959 It would be hard for me to believe 104 00:05:52,042 --> 00:05:55,876 that somebody can penetrate the system with facts. 105 00:05:55,959 --> 00:05:58,792 Baltimore doesn't work like that. 106 00:06:07,209 --> 00:06:08,834 The Commissioner addressed 107 00:06:08,918 --> 00:06:11,042 whether the suspect used detective Suiter's 108 00:06:11,125 --> 00:06:12,500 own gun to shoot him, 109 00:06:12,584 --> 00:06:14,667 saying nothing has been ruled out. 110 00:06:14,751 --> 00:06:17,918 Ballistic tests on shell casings recovered in the area 111 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,667 show they're all from a departmental service weapon, 112 00:06:20,751 --> 00:06:23,125 which was the only gun recovered at the scene. 113 00:06:23,209 --> 00:06:25,417 That doesn't mean that there wasn't a second gun 114 00:06:25,500 --> 00:06:27,751 at that scene as well. 115 00:06:27,834 --> 00:06:30,626 From the beginning of how this thing was reported, 116 00:06:30,709 --> 00:06:32,334 we just sensed foul play. 117 00:06:32,417 --> 00:06:34,584 ...about the possibility that someone... 118 00:06:34,667 --> 00:06:37,167 I saw Twitter blowing up. 119 00:06:37,250 --> 00:06:38,935 ...gunshot wound that may have been related, but... 120 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:41,584 So I'm an editor at Salon.com. 121 00:06:41,667 --> 00:06:43,083 And I really wanted to figure out 122 00:06:43,167 --> 00:06:47,250 who murdered Detective Suiter and why. 123 00:06:47,334 --> 00:06:49,834 What developed for me out of the whole story 124 00:06:49,918 --> 00:06:54,751 is this whole idea of Black lives really don't matter. 125 00:06:54,834 --> 00:06:57,792 Like, even if you're a police officer, they really don't. 126 00:07:00,584 --> 00:07:02,500 This Suiter thing happening in my hometown 127 00:07:02,584 --> 00:07:04,292 made it extremely urgent for me, 128 00:07:04,375 --> 00:07:08,334 because if a police officer cannot be treated fairly, 129 00:07:08,417 --> 00:07:11,417 imagine how they would treat a person like me. 130 00:07:14,542 --> 00:07:17,500 - I'm chillin' on the steps. - For what? 131 00:07:17,584 --> 00:07:19,083 What are you touching me for? 132 00:07:19,167 --> 00:07:21,125 - Oh, my God. - What the fuck? 133 00:07:21,209 --> 00:07:23,417 Hey, yo, what the fuck? 134 00:07:37,042 --> 00:07:38,792 Sean Suiter's death occurred 135 00:07:38,876 --> 00:07:41,500 when this police department is still very much reeling 136 00:07:41,584 --> 00:07:46,209 from the 2015 uprising over the death of Freddie Gray. 137 00:07:49,626 --> 00:07:51,709 They're unable to stop crime in the city. 138 00:07:51,792 --> 00:07:56,375 Crime was at a three-year, nonstop spike. 139 00:07:56,459 --> 00:07:59,542 You know, just a lack of trust in this police department 140 00:07:59,626 --> 00:08:02,042 and its ability to investigate a crime 141 00:08:02,125 --> 00:08:05,792 and tell the truth about an investigation of a crime. 142 00:08:05,876 --> 00:08:09,709 It does happen in the midst of this massive corruption, 143 00:08:09,792 --> 00:08:12,375 of this huge scandal. 144 00:08:16,125 --> 00:08:19,626 One of the worst police corruption cases 145 00:08:19,709 --> 00:08:23,209 in recent American history. 146 00:08:23,292 --> 00:08:25,375 Mind-blowing. 147 00:08:25,459 --> 00:08:27,792 Mind-blowing! 148 00:08:33,834 --> 00:08:35,083 This is a police department 149 00:08:35,167 --> 00:08:36,834 that was very much on the ropes. 150 00:08:36,918 --> 00:08:40,250 In a way, you know, a hero's funeral for a fallen officer 151 00:08:40,334 --> 00:08:42,584 was a change of pace. 152 00:08:44,876 --> 00:08:46,751 It offered a time to appreciate 153 00:08:46,834 --> 00:08:48,876 what police officers do every day, 154 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:53,083 to hold up an officer who gave his life in the line of duty 155 00:08:53,167 --> 00:08:55,709 trying to investigate a crime. 156 00:09:02,459 --> 00:09:04,209 It was an awful thing that happened, 157 00:09:04,292 --> 00:09:07,000 but as far as the narrative is concerned, 158 00:09:07,083 --> 00:09:10,292 all the shit that the Baltimore Police Department was taking, 159 00:09:10,375 --> 00:09:13,751 suddenly, people were focused on hardworking cop 160 00:09:13,834 --> 00:09:17,292 losing his life in the line of duty. 161 00:09:17,375 --> 00:09:22,834 Detective Sean Suiter lived and died a hero. 162 00:09:26,292 --> 00:09:29,209 - The funeral was... - It was huge. 163 00:09:29,292 --> 00:09:30,918 I think it was too much for him, 164 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,584 more than what he would like, 165 00:09:32,667 --> 00:09:37,209 'cause he's not into all the fluff and frill. 166 00:09:37,292 --> 00:09:39,083 You've taught me so many things, 167 00:09:39,167 --> 00:09:41,459 like how to love myself, family values, 168 00:09:41,542 --> 00:09:44,792 and how to remain calm in some of the toughest situations. 169 00:09:44,876 --> 00:09:48,542 One thing we didn't get to go over was how to handle this. 170 00:09:56,042 --> 00:09:58,125 I was heartbroken, 171 00:09:58,209 --> 00:10:02,667 losing a partner, losing a friend. 172 00:10:02,751 --> 00:10:05,459 Hell, the day that he was killed, 173 00:10:05,542 --> 00:10:08,000 he looked at us and was like, 174 00:10:08,083 --> 00:10:11,417 "All right, man, let me go out on the street 175 00:10:11,500 --> 00:10:12,792 and try to find this witness." 176 00:10:12,876 --> 00:10:16,834 And I was looking around like, "Okay, I'll go out with you." 177 00:10:18,167 --> 00:10:20,125 He was like, "No, you're gonna rush me." 178 00:10:20,209 --> 00:10:22,167 So I left, 'cause he knew I had to go 179 00:10:22,250 --> 00:10:24,459 and pick my son up from school. 180 00:10:24,542 --> 00:10:27,334 So he was dedicated, and that was the last... 181 00:10:27,417 --> 00:10:30,292 Last I spoke with him from there. 182 00:10:37,334 --> 00:10:39,417 He was a good guy. 183 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:41,459 He was a good person. 184 00:10:41,542 --> 00:10:45,000 That smile radiated before he opened the door. 185 00:10:45,083 --> 00:10:46,751 That laughter came through 186 00:10:46,834 --> 00:10:49,709 right as soon as he began to talk. 187 00:10:49,792 --> 00:10:51,167 Sitting in a car together, 188 00:10:51,250 --> 00:10:54,000 talking about everything from our family to me 189 00:10:54,083 --> 00:10:58,334 trying to figure out how a D.C. guy who works in Baltimore 190 00:10:58,417 --> 00:11:02,042 and lives in P.G. is a Dallas Cowboys fan. 191 00:11:02,125 --> 00:11:04,167 I said, "Man, you must be the most confused cat 192 00:11:04,250 --> 00:11:08,250 I've ever met before in my life." 193 00:11:08,334 --> 00:11:10,918 It's hard to find the words to tell a story like this. 194 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,250 It has been a very emotional day. 195 00:11:14,334 --> 00:11:17,375 When he was pronounced dead, like, I knew who he was. 196 00:11:17,459 --> 00:11:23,042 I knew I saw him on an earlier murder. 197 00:11:23,792 --> 00:11:26,417 I had a tweet ready to go with his picture, 198 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:30,584 and immediately the tweet got retweeted. 199 00:11:30,667 --> 00:11:33,209 And that's when I realized that this guy 200 00:11:33,292 --> 00:11:34,834 is a pretty well-loved guy. 201 00:11:39,542 --> 00:11:40,542 I knew him for years, 202 00:11:40,626 --> 00:11:41,906 when he was patrolling this area. 203 00:11:41,959 --> 00:11:43,679 He was a good officer, he was real friendly. 204 00:11:43,751 --> 00:11:45,935 He ain't give nobody trouble unless you gave him trouble. 205 00:11:45,959 --> 00:11:47,476 - Let me say that. - He got a lot of respect. 206 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:48,542 We called him Scarface 207 00:11:48,626 --> 00:11:50,542 because he had a scar on his face. 208 00:11:53,042 --> 00:11:54,959 My uncles were cops. 209 00:11:55,042 --> 00:11:57,292 My dad was a cop. My cousins were cops. 210 00:11:57,375 --> 00:12:00,500 I come from a long line of blue. 211 00:12:00,584 --> 00:12:03,792 And so I grew up in the culture, and so I know it. 212 00:12:03,876 --> 00:12:07,334 As a reporter, it's worked in my favor. 213 00:12:07,417 --> 00:12:09,834 But, you know, when you cover 214 00:12:09,918 --> 00:12:12,083 a story like this from my perspective 215 00:12:12,167 --> 00:12:14,709 and I'm talking to Nicole Suiter 216 00:12:14,792 --> 00:12:18,083 and I'm seeing the casket, it resonates 217 00:12:18,167 --> 00:12:21,584 because I know my mother spent 25 years 218 00:12:21,667 --> 00:12:25,292 fearing what could happen because her husband was a cop. 219 00:12:33,250 --> 00:12:38,042 When a cop is killed, it's an attack on American policing. 220 00:12:38,125 --> 00:12:40,334 What else can you give us right now? 221 00:12:40,417 --> 00:12:41,667 Anything? 222 00:12:41,751 --> 00:12:43,834 - No, I never saw the shooter. - He was there? 223 00:12:43,918 --> 00:12:45,709 Sean was behind the white van. 224 00:12:45,792 --> 00:12:47,834 Sean peeked out as I was watching the corner here 225 00:12:47,918 --> 00:12:49,167 - and from that alley. - Yes. 226 00:12:49,250 --> 00:12:50,834 Sean waved me on, he said... like this. 227 00:12:50,918 --> 00:12:52,268 - And so I started... - And then Sean went in? 228 00:12:52,292 --> 00:12:54,292 Sean went in, and he yelled, "Stop! Stop! Stop!" 229 00:12:54,375 --> 00:12:55,975 So I went running, and as I went running, 230 00:12:56,042 --> 00:12:57,167 the shots started to fire. 231 00:12:57,250 --> 00:12:59,667 I saw Sean hit the ground, and I saw, like, parts... 232 00:12:59,751 --> 00:13:01,231 - Where did you see that from? - Here? 233 00:13:01,292 --> 00:13:02,834 No. No, no, Sarge. 234 00:13:02,918 --> 00:13:05,042 I ran toward the alley where he went in. 235 00:13:05,125 --> 00:13:07,167 - Okay. - You saw where they found him? 236 00:13:07,250 --> 00:13:09,334 So I got to that point, and the shots started firing. 237 00:13:09,417 --> 00:13:12,292 So I started backing out and looking around. 238 00:13:12,375 --> 00:13:15,000 You don't know if it was from a house or from the street? 239 00:13:15,083 --> 00:13:16,250 No. 240 00:13:16,334 --> 00:13:18,226 So he saw something, so most likely he was on foot, right? 241 00:13:18,250 --> 00:13:19,602 Most likely this guy was on foot. 242 00:13:19,626 --> 00:13:21,500 All right, let me get that information. 243 00:13:21,584 --> 00:13:24,417 In the moments and hours and days 244 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:26,292 after Detective Suiter was killed, 245 00:13:26,375 --> 00:13:28,334 it clearly appeared to be a homicide. 246 00:13:28,417 --> 00:13:30,250 Be advised... 247 00:13:30,334 --> 00:13:32,375 There was no reason to think it was anything else 248 00:13:32,459 --> 00:13:35,667 based on what was being said and just the way it played out. 249 00:13:37,751 --> 00:13:39,393 You know, we had an officer shot and killed 250 00:13:39,417 --> 00:13:40,626 in the line of duty. 251 00:13:40,709 --> 00:13:41,894 They were searching for a suspect. 252 00:13:41,918 --> 00:13:46,459 He is only described as an adult African American male 253 00:13:46,542 --> 00:13:49,584 wearing a black jacket with a white stripe 254 00:13:49,667 --> 00:13:52,667 on the black jacket. 255 00:13:52,751 --> 00:13:55,375 They told me that my husband was shot, 256 00:13:55,459 --> 00:13:58,209 and I still didn't... it still didn't register in my head. 257 00:13:58,292 --> 00:14:00,375 Like, someone came up to me and said, 258 00:14:00,459 --> 00:14:02,542 he was a... He was a good man. 259 00:14:02,626 --> 00:14:05,792 I was like, "What you mean, he was a good man?" 260 00:14:05,876 --> 00:14:08,083 And they was like, "No, no, no, no, no. 261 00:14:08,167 --> 00:14:10,125 That's not what she meant." 262 00:14:10,209 --> 00:14:14,417 And I just broke down. 263 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:16,500 He couldn't, you know, say what he wanted to say 264 00:14:16,584 --> 00:14:18,542 'cause he was in the bed with tubes in his mouth 265 00:14:18,626 --> 00:14:23,417 and blood coming down, and... 266 00:14:23,500 --> 00:14:26,167 I just couldn't hear his voice 267 00:14:26,250 --> 00:14:29,417 telling me that he's okay. 268 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:32,375 The doctors in there, the mayor in there, 269 00:14:32,459 --> 00:14:35,876 I'm like, what is... This has got to be... this... 270 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,959 What's going on? 271 00:14:39,042 --> 00:14:42,375 But no one, no one told me he was shot in his head. 272 00:14:46,209 --> 00:14:50,125 I remember that night I was at shock trauma. 273 00:14:50,209 --> 00:14:51,518 - Questions? - People had been telling us 274 00:14:51,542 --> 00:14:54,125 that he was dead... It hadn't been confirmed. 275 00:14:54,209 --> 00:14:55,792 And there was this great uncertainty 276 00:14:55,876 --> 00:14:57,292 about what happened. 277 00:14:57,375 --> 00:15:00,417 And my phone rang, and I got a call from someone saying, 278 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:02,542 "This was a hit. 279 00:15:02,626 --> 00:15:05,375 "He was gonna testify tomorrow against the dirty cops." 280 00:15:05,459 --> 00:15:07,083 It was someone I didn't know, 281 00:15:07,167 --> 00:15:10,834 and they sounded a little nutty. 282 00:15:10,918 --> 00:15:14,792 So I kind of put that in my back pocket. 283 00:15:14,876 --> 00:15:16,626 A massive presence of federal agents 284 00:15:16,709 --> 00:15:19,334 and Baltimore City Police blanketed the area 285 00:15:19,417 --> 00:15:21,500 around Bennett Place in West Baltimore, 286 00:15:21,584 --> 00:15:23,000 where Detective Sean Suiter 287 00:15:23,083 --> 00:15:25,042 was shot in the head earlier this week. 288 00:15:25,125 --> 00:15:29,542 Police believe the killer is still in Baltimore. 289 00:15:29,626 --> 00:15:32,375 The initial information that we had to work our way through 290 00:15:32,459 --> 00:15:34,334 was from Detective Bomenka, 291 00:15:34,417 --> 00:15:37,584 who was obviously traumatized by the fact 292 00:15:37,667 --> 00:15:40,125 that he was just with his partner, 293 00:15:40,209 --> 00:15:43,459 at least his partner that day, who was shot. 294 00:15:48,417 --> 00:15:51,876 We were under the impression, based on some tips that we got, 295 00:15:51,959 --> 00:15:55,667 that a suspect was on the loose in the community. 296 00:15:55,751 --> 00:15:58,375 Police had guns drawn, waiting to move in, 297 00:15:58,459 --> 00:16:01,250 and used an armored car as they searched for a suspect. 298 00:16:09,209 --> 00:16:11,334 We were held hostage in these houses 299 00:16:11,417 --> 00:16:13,375 for at least five to six days. 300 00:16:13,459 --> 00:16:16,500 For us to be trapped... Even if the event took place, 301 00:16:16,584 --> 00:16:18,250 it took place way up there. 302 00:16:24,876 --> 00:16:27,167 I remember being down that street, 303 00:16:27,250 --> 00:16:30,667 and there were snipers setting up to raid some of these houses. 304 00:16:30,751 --> 00:16:33,542 Military tanks in this alley. 305 00:16:33,626 --> 00:16:35,834 He had this sawed-off shotgun 306 00:16:35,918 --> 00:16:39,417 out like this, like they actually had a suspect! 307 00:16:42,584 --> 00:16:44,417 The regular people in Harlem Park, 308 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:46,417 they had nothing to do with any of this, 309 00:16:46,500 --> 00:16:48,792 but the abuse that they were willing to subject them to, 310 00:16:48,876 --> 00:16:51,083 police that don't serve and protect them, 311 00:16:51,167 --> 00:16:53,667 police that abuse them... 312 00:16:53,751 --> 00:16:56,751 who said, "Oh, we don't care that we are supposed to be 313 00:16:56,834 --> 00:16:58,792 "operating constitutionally now. 314 00:16:58,876 --> 00:17:01,000 Let's shut down Harlem Park." 315 00:17:01,083 --> 00:17:03,042 And so they're easy targets. 316 00:17:03,125 --> 00:17:06,042 My name had came up in a conversation that, uh, 317 00:17:06,125 --> 00:17:07,459 dealing with Sean Suiter, 318 00:17:07,542 --> 00:17:09,059 and that's when they came and raided my house 319 00:17:09,083 --> 00:17:12,292 November the 19th and took me down for questioning. 320 00:17:12,375 --> 00:17:13,542 They trashed the house. 321 00:17:13,626 --> 00:17:15,375 Our living room set. Trashed everything. 322 00:17:15,459 --> 00:17:18,000 We didn't get none of that back... computers. 323 00:17:19,626 --> 00:17:22,709 We had a great deal of trouble 324 00:17:22,792 --> 00:17:25,125 recovering all of the evidence. 325 00:17:25,209 --> 00:17:28,167 When Sean Suiter runs into that space, 326 00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:32,167 Detective Bomenka hears three gunshots. 327 00:17:32,250 --> 00:17:35,626 Pop, pop, pause, and then pop. 328 00:17:37,792 --> 00:17:39,834 We couldn't find where those bullets landed. 329 00:17:39,918 --> 00:17:42,500 We couldn't locate a strike mark from those bullets, 330 00:17:42,584 --> 00:17:47,292 either in the ground or on the adjacent walls. 331 00:17:47,375 --> 00:17:49,500 Did they strike another person? 332 00:17:51,334 --> 00:17:54,918 We are absolutely certain that the community will stand 333 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,918 with the Baltimore Police Department 334 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,751 to bring this heartless, ruthless, 335 00:17:59,834 --> 00:18:02,918 soulless killer to justice. 336 00:18:13,083 --> 00:18:16,167 Coming up in East Baltimore, the streets was home. 337 00:18:16,250 --> 00:18:17,890 So I hit the streets, and I hit them hard, 338 00:18:17,959 --> 00:18:22,500 and I've done everything from selling crack to heroin 339 00:18:22,584 --> 00:18:24,209 and back and forth again, 340 00:18:24,292 --> 00:18:26,876 and I had some good times, and I had some bad times. 341 00:18:26,959 --> 00:18:28,918 And I made some really, really good friends 342 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,083 that I thought would last forever. 343 00:18:31,167 --> 00:18:34,417 And one of them friends put a gun right to my head. 344 00:18:34,500 --> 00:18:37,918 So I've pretty much, like, saw everything in the streets 345 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,417 and... 346 00:18:40,500 --> 00:18:43,751 in that time, you learn about these police officers. 347 00:18:43,834 --> 00:18:45,834 You learn about how they move and how they operate. 348 00:18:45,876 --> 00:18:49,375 You learn the intricate part they play into the world 349 00:18:49,459 --> 00:18:51,125 that... that we lived in. 350 00:18:54,167 --> 00:18:57,250 I'm a person who has seen the ugly side of law enforcement. 351 00:19:04,834 --> 00:19:07,834 It's now been 16 days since the shooting of Sean Suiter. 352 00:19:07,918 --> 00:19:10,000 It happened back there where that blue tarp is, 353 00:19:10,083 --> 00:19:11,876 back through this very narrow little area, 354 00:19:11,959 --> 00:19:15,000 with very little opportunity for people to see 355 00:19:15,083 --> 00:19:17,334 what may have happened back there. 356 00:19:17,417 --> 00:19:19,250 The Suiter case is not the first time 357 00:19:19,334 --> 00:19:21,134 the Baltimore Police Department was criticized 358 00:19:21,209 --> 00:19:22,667 for "sloppy scenes," 359 00:19:22,751 --> 00:19:25,167 for not having proper incident command. 360 00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:29,500 And, I mean, one of the questions that exists right now 361 00:19:29,584 --> 00:19:31,310 is, how come this department can't get it right? 362 00:19:31,334 --> 00:19:33,375 They didn't take photographs. 363 00:19:33,459 --> 00:19:36,500 They didn't properly record parts of the crime scene. 364 00:19:36,584 --> 00:19:39,959 There were people traipsing in and out of that scene at will. 365 00:19:44,292 --> 00:19:47,042 The suicide theory, which did come up today, 366 00:19:47,125 --> 00:19:48,918 is just a possible theory. 367 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,709 The commissioner says it's not a leading theory at all, 368 00:19:51,792 --> 00:19:55,667 but it is under consideration. 369 00:19:55,751 --> 00:20:00,709 There was this "mistake made" about the entry wound, 370 00:20:00,792 --> 00:20:03,042 allegedly by the hospital, 371 00:20:03,125 --> 00:20:05,959 that identified the entry wound as the left side of the head 372 00:20:06,042 --> 00:20:08,042 as opposed to the right side of head. 373 00:20:08,125 --> 00:20:09,375 Well, if his gun... 374 00:20:09,459 --> 00:20:12,125 If his radio is in his left hand, which it was, 375 00:20:12,209 --> 00:20:16,042 and he's right-handed, think of what you have do 376 00:20:16,125 --> 00:20:18,292 to get yourself to get a gunshot wound 377 00:20:18,375 --> 00:20:21,459 into the left side of the head and kill yourself, okay? 378 00:20:21,542 --> 00:20:26,626 So that information, which they operated on for four days 379 00:20:26,709 --> 00:20:28,959 until it was cleared up at autopsy, 380 00:20:29,042 --> 00:20:30,810 that, no, no, no, it's the right side of the head 381 00:20:30,834 --> 00:20:32,584 and it's a close contact gunshot wound, 382 00:20:32,667 --> 00:20:34,209 which is very indicative 383 00:20:34,292 --> 00:20:36,500 of potentially a self-inflicted wound. 384 00:20:36,584 --> 00:20:39,751 So, for four days, this investigation operated 385 00:20:39,834 --> 00:20:41,959 on a false assumption. 386 00:20:42,042 --> 00:20:44,667 And that is that he was shot on the left side of the head. 387 00:20:48,083 --> 00:20:49,417 The suicide theory emerged 388 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:51,476 because there was factions within the police department 389 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:53,310 that believed there was a cover-up taking place, 390 00:20:53,334 --> 00:20:55,250 that they were chasing a phantom killer, 391 00:20:55,334 --> 00:20:57,167 that they were having a hero's funeral, 392 00:20:57,250 --> 00:20:59,083 and they were offering a giant reward 393 00:20:59,167 --> 00:21:01,667 and tearing apart the city looking for somebody 394 00:21:01,751 --> 00:21:03,125 who didn't exist. 395 00:21:03,209 --> 00:21:04,667 But once that emerged, 396 00:21:04,751 --> 00:21:06,500 once that got into the public domain, 397 00:21:06,584 --> 00:21:08,918 people started to believe that that was a cover-up, 398 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,250 that that was an attempt for a police department 399 00:21:11,334 --> 00:21:13,167 that was making no inroads 400 00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:15,292 on solving the killing of one of their own 401 00:21:15,375 --> 00:21:17,626 and was trying to sort of redirect people 402 00:21:17,709 --> 00:21:19,959 and blame the officer himself. 403 00:21:22,042 --> 00:21:24,626 Both views of the case are grounded 404 00:21:24,709 --> 00:21:27,209 in a distrust of the police department. 405 00:21:30,042 --> 00:21:32,834 And so now you have, 406 00:21:32,918 --> 00:21:35,209 was this a homicide, 407 00:21:35,292 --> 00:21:38,334 or was this a suicide? 408 00:21:38,417 --> 00:21:41,250 You're in that hole without a lot of facts. 409 00:21:42,834 --> 00:21:44,334 I think it quickly became, 410 00:21:44,417 --> 00:21:46,542 well, which one do we have evidence for, 411 00:21:46,626 --> 00:21:49,375 and which one do you believe? 412 00:21:49,459 --> 00:21:51,375 I'm not paid to tell you what I think. 413 00:21:51,459 --> 00:21:54,042 I'm paid to tell you what I know, 414 00:21:54,125 --> 00:21:56,542 and we don't know shit about this case. 415 00:22:01,250 --> 00:22:03,459 A week after Baltimore detective Sean Suiter 416 00:22:03,542 --> 00:22:05,709 was shot and killed, the revelation 417 00:22:05,792 --> 00:22:08,000 from the city's police commissioner was stunning. 418 00:22:08,083 --> 00:22:11,167 Suiter was set to testify before a federal grand jury 419 00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:14,667 the next day against eight elite Baltimore officers 420 00:22:14,751 --> 00:22:18,709 already indicted in a police corruption investigation. 421 00:22:18,792 --> 00:22:20,959 And that was... 422 00:22:21,042 --> 00:22:22,542 wow. 423 00:22:22,626 --> 00:22:26,792 This certainly throws a wrinkle on the case big-time. 424 00:22:26,876 --> 00:22:28,417 Suiter wasn't just any officer 425 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:30,125 who was shot and killed. 426 00:22:30,209 --> 00:22:33,667 He was also a federal witness against other police officers. 427 00:22:33,751 --> 00:22:35,709 If I'm about to go to court 428 00:22:35,792 --> 00:22:37,542 and you're supposed to testify on me, 429 00:22:37,626 --> 00:22:39,584 and now you're gone? 430 00:22:39,667 --> 00:22:41,250 Come on. 431 00:22:43,751 --> 00:22:45,959 It was a lot of reporting about what he knew, 432 00:22:46,042 --> 00:22:47,083 what he didn't know, 433 00:22:47,167 --> 00:22:49,500 what he was going to testify to. 434 00:22:49,584 --> 00:22:53,751 Was he going to get pulled into this big, massive scandal? 435 00:22:53,834 --> 00:22:56,334 Was he a dirty cop? Was he a dirty cop? 436 00:22:56,417 --> 00:22:57,959 Did he off himself in an alley? 437 00:22:58,042 --> 00:23:00,000 Is this suicide? 438 00:23:00,083 --> 00:23:02,834 Or did someone along the way in the police department 439 00:23:02,918 --> 00:23:04,375 make sure he was killed 440 00:23:04,459 --> 00:23:07,751 so he wouldn't testify to what he knew? 441 00:23:09,751 --> 00:23:11,334 We don't know. 442 00:23:11,417 --> 00:23:14,000 Did he have damning evidence 443 00:23:14,083 --> 00:23:15,959 on other officers in the department? 444 00:23:16,042 --> 00:23:17,876 We don't know. 445 00:23:21,709 --> 00:23:26,000 You cannot add more drama and conspiracy to this. 446 00:23:28,167 --> 00:23:29,584 Being a media relations chief, 447 00:23:29,667 --> 00:23:32,918 coming into an environment where there is a big trust gap, 448 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,417 I'm trying to open up the doors and give people a glimpse in 449 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:40,751 without compromising the integrity of investigations, 450 00:23:40,834 --> 00:23:43,500 which is also important. 451 00:23:43,584 --> 00:23:46,375 We know that people are clamoring for information. 452 00:23:46,459 --> 00:23:49,709 We say so little, sometimes it's not enough clarity. 453 00:23:49,792 --> 00:23:51,209 Are there any other fingerprints 454 00:23:51,292 --> 00:23:52,375 besides the detective's? 455 00:23:52,459 --> 00:23:55,375 We're not going to get into those... 456 00:23:55,459 --> 00:23:57,334 We're not getting into all the specifics 457 00:23:57,417 --> 00:23:59,375 of every piece of evidence we have. 458 00:24:03,751 --> 00:24:07,834 So it was just ripe for conspiracy. 459 00:24:07,918 --> 00:24:10,167 It comes to... Look at the partner. 460 00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:11,810 The partner had something to do with it. 461 00:24:11,876 --> 00:24:13,918 It's like, come on. 462 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,751 When you know things to be absolutely, 463 00:24:16,834 --> 00:24:18,959 unequivocally false, 464 00:24:19,042 --> 00:24:23,751 it's hard to sit back and just listen to it. 465 00:24:23,834 --> 00:24:26,209 You talk about frustrating and upsetting, it's like... 466 00:24:26,292 --> 00:24:29,042 People are just making up stuff. 467 00:24:29,125 --> 00:24:30,918 Literally making it up. 468 00:24:37,167 --> 00:24:41,209 There is no information that has been communicated to me 469 00:24:41,292 --> 00:24:44,292 that Detective Suiter was anything other than 470 00:24:44,375 --> 00:24:48,334 a stellar detective, great friend, loving husband, 471 00:24:48,417 --> 00:24:51,667 and dedicated father. 472 00:24:51,751 --> 00:24:54,709 When I asked the FBI to take over the investigation, 473 00:24:54,792 --> 00:24:58,667 I did so knowing that if they had any information 474 00:24:58,751 --> 00:25:00,417 or even a shred of information 475 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,167 that this could have been a conspiracy 476 00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:06,083 to murder Sean Suiter that was orchestrated by other cops, 477 00:25:06,167 --> 00:25:08,626 if the FBI thought that that was the case 478 00:25:08,709 --> 00:25:10,959 for one millisecond, in my opinion, 479 00:25:11,042 --> 00:25:14,375 they would have taken over that investigation in a heartbeat. 480 00:25:15,959 --> 00:25:18,792 The fact that they did not take over the investigation 481 00:25:18,876 --> 00:25:20,709 was an indicator to me 482 00:25:20,792 --> 00:25:22,751 that they didn't believe that theory. 483 00:25:22,834 --> 00:25:24,125 In the letter, it says, 484 00:25:24,209 --> 00:25:25,935 "No information has been developed to indicate. 485 00:25:25,959 --> 00:25:28,042 "Detective Suiter's death was directly connected 486 00:25:28,125 --> 00:25:30,042 to an FBI investigation." 487 00:25:30,125 --> 00:25:31,834 I think it's very strange that the feds 488 00:25:31,918 --> 00:25:35,209 did not get involved in the investigation of the shooting. 489 00:25:35,292 --> 00:25:36,918 This guy was killed the day 490 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,834 he's supposed to go testify in a grand jury for you, 491 00:25:39,918 --> 00:25:42,417 and he's dead from a gunshot wound. 492 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:45,959 Like, why wouldn't that be a federal case? 493 00:25:46,042 --> 00:25:48,334 Leo Wise, the Assistant U.S. Attorney, 494 00:25:48,417 --> 00:25:50,751 told me that as soon as he got the phone call 495 00:25:50,834 --> 00:25:54,000 that Suiter had been shot, he believed it to be a suicide. 496 00:25:54,083 --> 00:25:56,500 I found that to be a remarkable statement. 497 00:25:56,584 --> 00:25:58,375 You wonder if that has to do with the things 498 00:25:58,459 --> 00:26:00,292 that they had heard along the way about him. 499 00:26:02,334 --> 00:26:05,042 The information that was given to me by the FBI 500 00:26:05,125 --> 00:26:06,584 and the U.S. Attorney's office, 501 00:26:06,667 --> 00:26:08,459 Sean Suiter was never the target 502 00:26:08,542 --> 00:26:11,250 of any of their corruption investigations. 503 00:26:11,334 --> 00:26:13,918 He was merely scheduled to testify 504 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,375 in front of a grand jury 505 00:26:15,459 --> 00:26:19,417 about an ongoing corruption investigation. 506 00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:22,292 They told me, in fact, word for word, 507 00:26:22,375 --> 00:26:24,918 "Sean Suiter was not a dirty cop." 508 00:26:38,083 --> 00:26:42,167 March 1, 2017, earlier that year, 509 00:26:42,250 --> 00:26:44,542 seven members of the Baltimore Police Department 510 00:26:44,626 --> 00:26:46,334 are arrested. 511 00:26:46,417 --> 00:26:48,334 The case began about a year ago. 512 00:26:48,417 --> 00:26:50,500 It involved a covert investigation. 513 00:26:50,584 --> 00:26:53,375 The seven defendants were members 514 00:26:53,459 --> 00:26:55,334 of the Gun Trace Task Force. 515 00:26:55,417 --> 00:26:58,083 I'm Sergeant Wayne Jenkins of the Gun Trace Task Force. 516 00:26:58,167 --> 00:27:02,584 Their job was to go out and get guns off of people 517 00:27:02,667 --> 00:27:04,167 that were illegally possessing them 518 00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:06,292 and carrying them on the streets of Baltimore. 519 00:27:06,375 --> 00:27:09,584 Unfortunately, we found out the methodology 520 00:27:09,667 --> 00:27:11,459 they were using to go out there and do it. 521 00:27:11,542 --> 00:27:14,375 The seven officers are charged with racketeering. 522 00:27:14,459 --> 00:27:17,083 Some of the suspects face up to life in prison. 523 00:27:17,167 --> 00:27:19,709 Others, decades in jail. 524 00:27:19,792 --> 00:27:21,876 They were robbing drug dealers in the city 525 00:27:21,959 --> 00:27:26,250 with precision and investigatory skill. 526 00:27:26,334 --> 00:27:28,375 They had black hockey masks, 527 00:27:28,459 --> 00:27:30,959 fake guns that they would place 528 00:27:31,042 --> 00:27:33,042 into people's cars to frame them. 529 00:27:33,125 --> 00:27:34,918 It was a mob in the middle of the city 530 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,042 run by the Baltimore Police Department. 531 00:27:37,125 --> 00:27:40,000 Hey, come downstairs right quick. 532 00:27:40,083 --> 00:27:42,167 They about to get it open. 533 00:27:42,250 --> 00:27:43,167 They really got them. 534 00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:45,083 I mean, they had them on wiretaps. 535 00:27:45,167 --> 00:27:47,876 Like, they had evidence, hard evidence of what was going on. 536 00:27:47,959 --> 00:27:50,792 - Do not... nobody touches... - You understand me right now? 537 00:27:50,876 --> 00:27:52,751 I'm keeping the camera rolling. 538 00:27:52,834 --> 00:27:55,459 This video, taken in March 2016, in the basement 539 00:27:55,542 --> 00:27:57,500 of a Northeast Baltimore drug dealer, 540 00:27:57,584 --> 00:28:00,042 shows former Baltimore sergeant Wayne Jenkins, 541 00:28:00,125 --> 00:28:02,042 who led the Gun Trace Task Force, 542 00:28:02,125 --> 00:28:04,959 recording the discovery of a safe they blasted open. 543 00:28:05,042 --> 00:28:07,542 But federal prosecutors say the video 544 00:28:07,626 --> 00:28:10,751 was really a reenactment to cover up the fact 545 00:28:10,834 --> 00:28:13,876 another 200,000 was taken from the same dealer by Jenkins 546 00:28:13,959 --> 00:28:15,626 and other members of the gun squad. 547 00:28:20,042 --> 00:28:21,500 This was seven officers, 548 00:28:21,584 --> 00:28:22,876 it went on to be eight, you know, 549 00:28:22,959 --> 00:28:25,292 charged with just, like, blatant corruption, 550 00:28:25,375 --> 00:28:26,834 blatant misconduct. 551 00:28:26,918 --> 00:28:28,209 Some of their best and brightest, 552 00:28:28,292 --> 00:28:29,435 some of their most efficient, 553 00:28:29,459 --> 00:28:32,792 and they're being accused of egregious crimes 554 00:28:32,876 --> 00:28:35,250 over a long period of time. 555 00:28:39,584 --> 00:28:41,959 We put this here to try to visualize everybody, 556 00:28:42,042 --> 00:28:45,959 to see how they're connected. 557 00:28:46,042 --> 00:28:48,626 You have these officers who pleaded guilty 558 00:28:48,709 --> 00:28:52,083 who are trying to get lesser sentences. 559 00:28:52,167 --> 00:28:54,042 Before he became a homicide detective, 560 00:28:54,125 --> 00:28:57,292 Suiter was working with these guys. 561 00:28:57,375 --> 00:29:00,709 Jenkins is the leader of the squad when they get indicted. 562 00:29:00,792 --> 00:29:04,918 Suiter had worked with Ward. He'd worked with Jenkins. 563 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,584 He'd worked with Rayam and Gondo at times. 564 00:29:08,667 --> 00:29:10,584 Of course, his grand jury testimony 565 00:29:10,667 --> 00:29:13,209 was about a case in which he and Jenkins 566 00:29:13,292 --> 00:29:15,459 had arrested somebody. 567 00:29:17,125 --> 00:29:19,250 So he was being asked to come in to testify 568 00:29:19,334 --> 00:29:22,042 before a grand jury about his role in that. 569 00:29:25,792 --> 00:29:28,626 This is the case in which Detective Sean Suiter 570 00:29:28,709 --> 00:29:30,709 was scheduled to appear before a grand jury, 571 00:29:30,792 --> 00:29:33,125 the day after he was murdered. 572 00:29:33,209 --> 00:29:35,626 Suiter was going to testify about this scene 573 00:29:35,709 --> 00:29:38,292 back in 2010 where a high-speed chase 574 00:29:38,375 --> 00:29:40,959 ended with a collision with another car, killing one 575 00:29:41,042 --> 00:29:44,584 and destroying this front porch in Northwest Baltimore. 576 00:29:47,918 --> 00:29:50,792 On this particular day, these police officers, 577 00:29:50,876 --> 00:29:54,042 they saw a couple Black guys in a car, 578 00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:56,125 figured they might have something on them. 579 00:29:56,209 --> 00:29:58,417 "Let's take a run at them." 580 00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:01,209 You can't do that, but they did it, 581 00:30:01,292 --> 00:30:04,334 and they did it every day... 582 00:30:04,417 --> 00:30:06,542 all over the city. 583 00:30:06,626 --> 00:30:10,542 The only thing true about that particular police report 584 00:30:10,626 --> 00:30:14,834 was that we had a car accident and somebody died. 585 00:30:14,918 --> 00:30:16,375 Everything else was a lie. 586 00:30:21,417 --> 00:30:24,876 This is the actual spot that I was parked in. 587 00:30:24,959 --> 00:30:27,125 I noticed 588 00:30:27,209 --> 00:30:29,375 through my side view mirror 589 00:30:29,459 --> 00:30:33,000 that a car was approaching. 590 00:30:33,083 --> 00:30:35,167 There was two cars that pulled up. 591 00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:39,167 One pulled in the front, and one pulled behind me. 592 00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:46,709 Wayne Jenkins and Ryan Guinn were in the first car. 593 00:30:46,792 --> 00:30:50,250 Detective Suiter was in the rear car. 594 00:30:50,334 --> 00:30:55,626 Like a car pulling up not wanting to damage the car, 595 00:30:55,709 --> 00:30:57,542 but it was more so, I believe, 596 00:30:57,626 --> 00:31:00,459 them to get us tight in as possible 597 00:31:00,542 --> 00:31:01,918 so they can do whatever it is 598 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,375 that they were attempting to do. 599 00:31:04,459 --> 00:31:07,417 Now the car in back of me bumps me. 600 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:12,542 I turned my head to see, and then I heard doors opening. 601 00:31:12,626 --> 00:31:15,042 And that alerted my attention to the front, 602 00:31:15,125 --> 00:31:19,334 and they was actually out the car with guns drawn, 603 00:31:19,417 --> 00:31:24,042 with masks on their face, and all I could see was their eyes. 604 00:31:27,375 --> 00:31:29,125 These were not police cars. 605 00:31:29,209 --> 00:31:30,751 Our clients, of course, would not know 606 00:31:30,834 --> 00:31:32,250 that they were police cars. 607 00:31:32,334 --> 00:31:34,209 There were no lights, there were no sirens. 608 00:31:34,292 --> 00:31:36,626 When they took off, they genuinely believed 609 00:31:36,709 --> 00:31:38,626 that they were being robbed. 610 00:31:38,709 --> 00:31:41,042 They know why we fled. 611 00:31:41,125 --> 00:31:43,584 You know, we didn't know who the hell they were. 612 00:31:43,667 --> 00:31:46,292 They were right on our tail the whole time. 613 00:31:46,375 --> 00:31:50,500 The only thing we was thinking about is our lives. 614 00:31:52,167 --> 00:31:56,417 I began to go on very fast down Belle Avenue. 615 00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:00,459 I could see another car at a stop sign. 616 00:32:00,542 --> 00:32:03,500 So I'm trying to turn away from the car, 617 00:32:03,584 --> 00:32:06,375 and we end up turning the same way. 618 00:32:09,792 --> 00:32:11,626 Police say it was these two, 619 00:32:11,709 --> 00:32:13,667 Umar Burley and Brent Matthews, 620 00:32:13,751 --> 00:32:16,000 who were fleeing police and crashed into a car 621 00:32:16,083 --> 00:32:19,167 on the corner of Belle and Gwynn Oak Avenue, 622 00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:22,167 killing the father of a Baltimore City police officer. 623 00:32:25,542 --> 00:32:27,500 The officers, they realized 624 00:32:27,584 --> 00:32:30,959 they had a serious problem on their hands. 625 00:32:31,042 --> 00:32:32,792 It was a high-speed chase. 626 00:32:32,876 --> 00:32:38,083 Couldn't justify the chase, the stop, nothing. 627 00:32:38,167 --> 00:32:41,500 Didn't find any drugs in the car, 628 00:32:41,584 --> 00:32:43,751 didn't find any weapons in the car. 629 00:32:43,834 --> 00:32:46,584 They jacked up these two men 630 00:32:46,667 --> 00:32:50,375 for no reasonable articulable suspicion, 631 00:32:50,459 --> 00:32:52,709 no criminality afoot. 632 00:32:52,792 --> 00:32:53,834 So what did they do? 633 00:32:53,918 --> 00:32:58,709 They got on the phone, and they called in for heroin 634 00:32:58,792 --> 00:33:00,834 to plant inside the vehicle. 635 00:33:00,918 --> 00:33:04,292 My clients believed that Gladstone was the officer 636 00:33:04,375 --> 00:33:07,167 that showed up with the heroin. 637 00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:10,125 Matthews and Burley were wrongly convicted 638 00:33:10,209 --> 00:33:12,834 and sent to prison. 639 00:33:12,918 --> 00:33:15,792 They framed Mr. Burley and Mr. Matthews 640 00:33:15,876 --> 00:33:19,292 to justify their own criminality. 641 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,626 28 grams of heroin. 642 00:33:24,709 --> 00:33:28,417 That's a lot of heroin to just pop up in the car. 643 00:33:29,709 --> 00:33:35,083 The depths that people go through to save their own skin. 644 00:33:42,834 --> 00:33:45,626 Sergeant Wayne Jenkins was already a key player 645 00:33:45,709 --> 00:33:47,667 in the Baltimore police corruption case. 646 00:33:47,751 --> 00:33:50,375 Now he faces another 20 years in prison, 647 00:33:50,459 --> 00:33:53,918 the result of new charges that he planted drugs in a car 648 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,042 in 2010 to justify chasing the driver and a passenger. 649 00:33:58,125 --> 00:34:01,751 Sean Suiter was involved in the original stop of the vehicle 650 00:34:01,834 --> 00:34:03,834 and the chase, the indictment says. 651 00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:07,918 It suggests he was set up to recover the drugs. 652 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,125 Obviously it was a concerted effort, 653 00:34:10,209 --> 00:34:11,959 as they were blocked in. 654 00:34:12,042 --> 00:34:16,667 Jenkins and Guinn got out of the car with guns and masks. 655 00:34:16,751 --> 00:34:19,792 It would be difficult to imagine that the car back here, 656 00:34:19,876 --> 00:34:22,459 that detective Suiter wouldn't have seen that. 657 00:34:22,542 --> 00:34:24,375 Unfortunately, you know, 658 00:34:24,459 --> 00:34:27,083 we're never going to exactly know who planted the drugs, 659 00:34:27,167 --> 00:34:28,584 whether it was Jenkins himself. 660 00:34:28,667 --> 00:34:30,626 Jenkins denied planting them. 661 00:34:30,709 --> 00:34:32,101 It could be Suiter... We don't know. 662 00:34:32,125 --> 00:34:34,918 Suiter was the one that recovered them. 663 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,542 I'm not sure that you can believe any of the officers 664 00:34:37,626 --> 00:34:39,709 'cause it's all self-serving, 665 00:34:39,792 --> 00:34:43,417 but we do know they were working together. 666 00:35:10,209 --> 00:35:13,125 Getting to the truth in these incidents is difficult. 667 00:35:13,209 --> 00:35:16,292 I think that there are people lying on all sides. 668 00:35:16,375 --> 00:35:19,125 We do not have an independent eyewitness 669 00:35:19,209 --> 00:35:21,417 between the officers and Umar Burley. 670 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:24,125 One idea I had was to do a public records request to see 671 00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:25,560 if they would turn over the dispatch audio, 672 00:35:25,584 --> 00:35:26,918 so I got that today. 673 00:35:29,083 --> 00:35:30,876 This audio is from the moment. 674 00:35:30,959 --> 00:35:32,584 This is real time, what they were saying 675 00:35:32,667 --> 00:35:35,167 before anybody knew that this was going to happen. 676 00:35:37,667 --> 00:35:39,542 I'm trying to figure out how this... 677 00:35:39,626 --> 00:35:41,792 Was Wayne Jenkins and Sean Suiter, 678 00:35:41,876 --> 00:35:43,667 were they robbing people with masks on 679 00:35:43,751 --> 00:35:45,375 in the middle of the day in 2010? 680 00:35:45,459 --> 00:35:46,918 Because if that's true, 681 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,667 Sean Suiter is incredibly corrupt. 682 00:35:49,751 --> 00:35:52,125 Going back seven years before his death, 683 00:35:52,209 --> 00:35:53,626 he was rolling around the city 684 00:35:53,709 --> 00:35:55,834 in the middle of the day with masks on robbing people. 685 00:35:55,918 --> 00:35:58,709 So... 686 00:35:58,792 --> 00:36:00,250 yep. 687 00:36:00,334 --> 00:36:02,375 They actually give the tag number 688 00:36:02,459 --> 00:36:04,375 before the crash, before the chase even. 689 00:36:04,459 --> 00:36:05,876 There is no doubt about it. 690 00:36:05,959 --> 00:36:08,417 They're discussing stopping this guy on the radio 691 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:10,125 that other officers are listening to. 692 00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:11,626 I think that's telling. 693 00:36:11,709 --> 00:36:14,542 If you're robbing somebody, I don't know that you do that. 694 00:36:14,626 --> 00:36:16,266 That's a good thing for Sean Suiter's case 695 00:36:16,334 --> 00:36:19,584 that he's not corrupt. 696 00:36:19,667 --> 00:36:22,918 But that's with the caveat that these guys lied, 697 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,417 they covered their tracks, they knew how to do it. 698 00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:27,584 So anything's possible. 699 00:36:27,667 --> 00:36:29,918 A car crash. 700 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,209 Guys, they're running, trying to shoot each other. 701 00:36:32,292 --> 00:36:34,209 There is a 911 call from a citizen, 702 00:36:34,292 --> 00:36:36,417 who is coming on to this as it's happening. 703 00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:38,792 And she sees a car crashed into a fire hydrant. 704 00:36:38,876 --> 00:36:41,209 She thinks it's regular people just chasing 705 00:36:41,292 --> 00:36:43,584 after each other with guns, and... which is interesting. 706 00:36:43,667 --> 00:36:45,709 I mean, if they had their lights and sirens on, 707 00:36:45,792 --> 00:36:47,542 wouldn't you know that they were cops? 708 00:36:47,626 --> 00:36:49,209 Three of them. 709 00:36:49,292 --> 00:36:50,643 The one with the gun had on an orange sweatshirt? 710 00:36:50,667 --> 00:36:52,334 Right. 711 00:36:52,417 --> 00:36:54,626 There's things on this that go towards one narrative 712 00:36:54,709 --> 00:36:56,918 and things that go towards the other narrative. 713 00:36:58,417 --> 00:37:00,959 Federal Prosecutors now say 714 00:37:01,042 --> 00:37:02,834 Burley and Matthews are innocent. 715 00:37:02,918 --> 00:37:04,792 Today their convictions were vacated. 716 00:37:04,876 --> 00:37:08,709 I may have been released, but nothing has changed. 717 00:37:08,792 --> 00:37:11,709 My life will never be the same again. 718 00:37:19,584 --> 00:37:21,584 We've had, as a firm, as a lawyer, 719 00:37:21,667 --> 00:37:23,459 and as a resident of Baltimore, 720 00:37:23,542 --> 00:37:26,918 some familiarity with these rogue police units. 721 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,459 But I had never seen a situation 722 00:37:31,542 --> 00:37:35,334 where the federal government overtly made efforts 723 00:37:35,417 --> 00:37:38,834 to pull someone out of prison and release them. 724 00:37:38,918 --> 00:37:41,125 The federal judge called their convictions 725 00:37:41,209 --> 00:37:44,751 the result of "raw, crude police corruption." 726 00:37:50,959 --> 00:37:54,834 The key player in the investigation of Sean Suiter 727 00:37:54,918 --> 00:37:57,000 is Wayne Jenkins... 728 00:37:57,083 --> 00:37:58,626 because Suiter was the one 729 00:37:58,709 --> 00:38:03,626 who was supposed to testify against Jenkins. 730 00:38:03,709 --> 00:38:04,834 You know, I would never say 731 00:38:04,918 --> 00:38:06,792 that a person committed a murder 732 00:38:06,876 --> 00:38:08,459 unless I knew they did it. 733 00:38:08,542 --> 00:38:10,959 I would never say a person had ordered a murder 734 00:38:11,042 --> 00:38:12,125 unless I knew they did it, 735 00:38:12,209 --> 00:38:14,369 but what I will say is that they're very capable of it. 736 00:38:14,417 --> 00:38:16,042 Police officers kill people all the time. 737 00:38:22,792 --> 00:38:24,042 If I was the suspect 738 00:38:24,125 --> 00:38:25,709 I'm probably going to go this way, 739 00:38:25,792 --> 00:38:28,000 because that's too open and that's too open. 740 00:38:28,083 --> 00:38:30,375 This shit is too residential. 741 00:38:35,792 --> 00:38:37,667 And I'm gone. 742 00:38:37,751 --> 00:38:39,959 I'm gonna hit this corner, and I'm gone. 743 00:38:42,918 --> 00:38:44,125 They took the black jacket off 744 00:38:44,209 --> 00:38:45,876 and put their police uniform back on. 745 00:38:45,959 --> 00:38:50,667 And then they just went ahead about their business. 746 00:38:50,751 --> 00:38:52,500 When I was a kid, right, 747 00:38:52,584 --> 00:38:54,667 I had a real good friend named D.I., 748 00:38:54,751 --> 00:38:56,709 and he got shot in the head. 749 00:38:56,792 --> 00:38:59,417 He was holding a Walkman, and the first thing he did 750 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:01,959 was drop the Walkman before he hit the ground. 751 00:39:02,042 --> 00:39:03,792 And that was the first thing I thought about 752 00:39:03,876 --> 00:39:06,792 when I started, like, piecing together information 753 00:39:06,876 --> 00:39:08,334 on what happened to Sean Suiter. 754 00:39:08,417 --> 00:39:11,584 You shoot yourself in the back of your head, as they say, 755 00:39:11,667 --> 00:39:13,918 and you still squeezing your radio tight, it's just... 756 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,602 I don't know, it's a little strange to me. 757 00:39:15,626 --> 00:39:17,346 It doesn't really... It doesn't sound right. 758 00:39:34,876 --> 00:39:37,209 I first heard about D. Watkins... 759 00:39:37,292 --> 00:39:39,000 I read a review of one of his books 760 00:39:39,083 --> 00:39:40,334 in "The New York Times." 761 00:39:40,417 --> 00:39:43,918 I mean, I was interested in an actual, authentic story 762 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,459 from somebody who was in the game, 763 00:39:45,542 --> 00:39:46,834 who was in the street, 764 00:39:46,918 --> 00:39:48,959 who was sort of, I guess, on the other side, 765 00:39:49,042 --> 00:39:50,876 if that makes sense. 766 00:39:53,250 --> 00:39:55,542 I think Sean Suiter was killed 767 00:39:55,626 --> 00:39:58,459 because he was going to testify in front of a grand jury. 768 00:39:58,542 --> 00:40:00,417 What would you be thinking in your office? 769 00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:02,143 Would you be like, "Yo, we got to look into this," 770 00:40:02,167 --> 00:40:03,959 or you'd just be like... 771 00:40:04,042 --> 00:40:07,584 I would be thinking, who's left? 772 00:40:07,667 --> 00:40:09,918 Who's left from the Gun Trace Task Force 773 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,751 who hasn't been federally indicted? 774 00:40:11,834 --> 00:40:14,083 And I don't mean the core group of guys. 775 00:40:14,167 --> 00:40:17,751 I mean supervisors, 776 00:40:17,834 --> 00:40:20,250 outside people, you know, 777 00:40:20,334 --> 00:40:22,018 and the city police department may not know. 778 00:40:22,042 --> 00:40:23,834 Only the feds may know that information. 779 00:40:23,918 --> 00:40:27,500 But there's obviously somebody else out there 780 00:40:27,584 --> 00:40:29,042 with something to lose. 781 00:40:29,125 --> 00:40:31,834 The Gun Trace Task Force was making somebody look good 782 00:40:31,918 --> 00:40:34,417 because they're bringing in so many gun arrests. 783 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:37,542 And those commanders don't want to know. 784 00:40:37,626 --> 00:40:39,459 They don't want to know what they're doing 785 00:40:39,542 --> 00:40:40,667 to get all these guns. 786 00:40:40,751 --> 00:40:42,042 They don't care. 787 00:40:42,125 --> 00:40:44,167 They don't want to know how the food's being made. 788 00:40:44,250 --> 00:40:45,667 They just want to eat it. 789 00:40:45,751 --> 00:40:47,959 Suiter probably thought the department had his back, 790 00:40:48,042 --> 00:40:50,584 and they probably did, all the way up until they didn't. 791 00:40:50,667 --> 00:40:52,000 But remember, 792 00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:56,250 Suiter was testifying to events back from 2010 793 00:40:56,334 --> 00:40:59,334 when he worked with some of the guys in another drug unit. 794 00:40:59,417 --> 00:41:02,500 There are other people involved in that scandal 795 00:41:02,584 --> 00:41:06,209 that I'm sure are trying to protect themselves at all costs. 796 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,167 A major development from the witness stand 797 00:41:21,250 --> 00:41:24,250 where former Baltimore City Police detective Momodu Gondo 798 00:41:24,334 --> 00:41:25,709 made a stunning admission. 799 00:41:25,792 --> 00:41:27,876 He says Detective Sean Suiter 800 00:41:27,959 --> 00:41:30,000 stole money when the two worked together 801 00:41:30,083 --> 00:41:33,417 in a specialized enforcement unit a decade ago. 802 00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:47,209 Detective Gondo was, I think, pretty unequivocal 803 00:41:47,292 --> 00:41:50,709 that he had stolen money with other officers for a long time, 804 00:41:50,792 --> 00:41:53,500 and he described it as being something that officers did 805 00:41:53,584 --> 00:41:56,209 to sort of fit in, to gain each other's trust. 806 00:41:56,292 --> 00:41:58,083 That if I know that you're stealing money 807 00:41:58,167 --> 00:41:59,709 and you know that I'm stealing money 808 00:41:59,792 --> 00:42:01,083 then we've got each other's back. 809 00:42:01,167 --> 00:42:02,500 We're both in on this together, 810 00:42:02,584 --> 00:42:05,542 and he said he was stealing money with Sean Suiter. 811 00:42:08,792 --> 00:42:12,000 Gondo was, without question, reliable, 812 00:42:12,083 --> 00:42:14,709 the most trustworthy, 813 00:42:14,792 --> 00:42:18,250 truthful cooperator that they had, and... 814 00:42:18,334 --> 00:42:22,542 Gondo said he was dirty on the witness stand. 815 00:42:22,626 --> 00:42:27,459 So, if you look at those weeks leading up to November 15th, 816 00:42:27,542 --> 00:42:30,626 what's Sean Suiter looking at 817 00:42:30,709 --> 00:42:33,918 as he headed for that grand jury appearance? 818 00:42:35,876 --> 00:42:40,417 He knows that Momodu Gondo has pleaded guilty. 819 00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:42,584 He was cooperating with the feds, 820 00:42:42,667 --> 00:42:45,167 and he was willing to talk. 821 00:42:45,250 --> 00:42:50,792 October 24th, the FBI came to visit Sean Suiter. 822 00:42:50,876 --> 00:42:53,417 He refused to be interviewed by them, 823 00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:55,542 and they delivered a subpoena for him to appear 824 00:42:55,626 --> 00:42:57,459 before the federal grand jury. 825 00:42:57,542 --> 00:42:59,876 What we learned after Suiter's death 826 00:42:59,959 --> 00:43:03,250 is that Gondo told the federal authorities, 827 00:43:03,334 --> 00:43:05,584 while he was cooperating, that Suiter was dirty. 828 00:43:05,667 --> 00:43:07,876 There's a lot to look at. 829 00:43:10,918 --> 00:43:14,000 He's gone from an officer who died in the line of duty 830 00:43:14,083 --> 00:43:16,751 investigating a homicide in a dangerous part of town 831 00:43:16,834 --> 00:43:18,667 to having his whole history questioned, 832 00:43:18,751 --> 00:43:21,459 is sort of a shocking development. 833 00:43:25,292 --> 00:43:28,792 Before we be too judgmental, you know, 834 00:43:28,876 --> 00:43:30,876 I mean, it's enticing. 835 00:43:30,959 --> 00:43:32,679 You know, you're dealing with a dope dealer. 836 00:43:32,751 --> 00:43:33,959 Who's going to believe him? 837 00:43:34,042 --> 00:43:35,459 It's not like he earned this money. 838 00:43:35,542 --> 00:43:36,751 I mean, you know, it's greed. 839 00:43:36,834 --> 00:43:38,167 It's greed that's motivated this, 840 00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:40,417 but, I mean, that's what you see all over, 841 00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:41,626 from top to bottom. 842 00:43:41,709 --> 00:43:43,500 From Washington to, you know, to Baltimore, 843 00:43:43,584 --> 00:43:45,792 the motivating factor was the greed. 844 00:43:55,292 --> 00:44:00,167 Sean's death showed me how cruel life can be sometimes. 845 00:44:00,250 --> 00:44:05,709 And his love showed me how life can also be good. 846 00:44:08,667 --> 00:44:11,542 We just have a lot of unanswered questions. 847 00:44:13,334 --> 00:44:17,000 I always believe someone seen something. 848 00:44:17,083 --> 00:44:19,375 I always believe that. 849 00:44:19,459 --> 00:44:22,083 Love you, Sean. 850 00:44:28,125 --> 00:44:30,209 There exists a serious tug-of-war 851 00:44:30,292 --> 00:44:31,772 within the Baltimore Police Department 852 00:44:31,834 --> 00:44:33,751 over what this case is. 853 00:44:33,834 --> 00:44:36,250 The people advocating the suicide theory say 854 00:44:36,334 --> 00:44:38,417 the evidence was mischaracterized 855 00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:40,667 and it wasn't explained. 856 00:44:40,751 --> 00:44:41,834 There was a suspect. 857 00:44:41,918 --> 00:44:44,250 There was a guy seen with a white stripe on his jacket. 858 00:44:44,334 --> 00:44:46,959 It turns out, as more information came along, 859 00:44:47,042 --> 00:44:48,959 that that was somebody that they had spotted 860 00:44:49,042 --> 00:44:51,792 earlier in the afternoon. 861 00:44:51,876 --> 00:44:53,542 And people say that Detective Suiter, 862 00:44:53,626 --> 00:44:55,709 maybe he sensed that trouble was coming. 863 00:44:55,792 --> 00:44:57,417 He's a father of five. 864 00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:59,000 There's a financial incentive 865 00:44:59,083 --> 00:45:02,709 to have the death appear to be a murder... 866 00:45:02,792 --> 00:45:04,334 that that would be the kind of death 867 00:45:04,417 --> 00:45:07,042 that his family would continue to receive benefits. 868 00:45:07,125 --> 00:45:08,751 If it's a straight-up suicide, 869 00:45:08,834 --> 00:45:10,542 it's ruled that and everybody knows it, 870 00:45:10,626 --> 00:45:13,125 you don't get benefits. 871 00:45:13,209 --> 00:45:14,976 You know, people within the police department, 872 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,351 they're pointing to dirt on his leg 873 00:45:16,375 --> 00:45:18,626 and saying that that's proof of a violent struggle. 874 00:45:18,709 --> 00:45:21,125 Is that proof of a violent struggle? 875 00:45:21,209 --> 00:45:22,518 Hold on, get his legs, get his legs. 876 00:45:22,542 --> 00:45:24,375 We should wait for the medic. 877 00:45:24,459 --> 00:45:26,626 - Transport him in a car. - Officer's down. 878 00:45:26,709 --> 00:45:28,375 Officer down. 879 00:45:28,459 --> 00:45:30,667 I actually attended the academy with Sean Suiter. 880 00:45:30,751 --> 00:45:32,792 Really quiet guy, really nice. 881 00:45:32,876 --> 00:45:35,250 Always, like, you know... Even though he's quiet, 882 00:45:35,334 --> 00:45:39,375 he was always smiling, easy to get along with. 883 00:45:39,459 --> 00:45:41,167 I would cross paths with him here or there, 884 00:45:41,250 --> 00:45:43,083 and we remembered each other from the academy 885 00:45:43,167 --> 00:45:46,209 and would kind of like, just like, "Hey, what's going on?" 886 00:45:46,292 --> 00:45:49,751 In Internal Affairs, I handled all specialized units, 887 00:45:49,834 --> 00:45:52,292 which would've included units Sean Suiter was in. 888 00:45:52,375 --> 00:45:55,167 So I never saw his name in a complaint. 889 00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:58,334 I never heard of him being involved in a complaint. 890 00:45:58,417 --> 00:46:00,709 I never heard a supervisor or another cop 891 00:46:00,792 --> 00:46:03,042 ever say anything negative about Sean. 892 00:46:03,125 --> 00:46:05,500 He's just a guy I could never imagine even... 893 00:46:05,584 --> 00:46:08,542 Even doing anything wrong. 894 00:46:08,626 --> 00:46:10,667 I know for a fact that there are plenty 895 00:46:10,751 --> 00:46:12,876 of corrupt cops within the department, 896 00:46:12,959 --> 00:46:14,334 because I investigated some of them 897 00:46:14,417 --> 00:46:17,792 and they remain in that department. 898 00:46:17,876 --> 00:46:19,292 Jenkins waited for me 899 00:46:19,375 --> 00:46:22,292 after work one day at Internal Affairs 900 00:46:22,375 --> 00:46:25,792 because I was investigating some of his guys. 901 00:46:25,876 --> 00:46:27,560 And he, like, corners me in the parking lot, 902 00:46:27,584 --> 00:46:28,984 and he's, like, right up in my face. 903 00:46:29,042 --> 00:46:30,310 Like, I thought he was going to hit me. 904 00:46:30,334 --> 00:46:33,125 Like, that was it, we were going to go. 905 00:46:33,209 --> 00:46:37,083 Mentally I just broke. I couldn't take it anymore. 906 00:46:37,167 --> 00:46:39,876 I attempted suicide twice. 907 00:46:39,959 --> 00:46:43,042 I mean, for years, I had been sort of struggling 908 00:46:43,125 --> 00:46:46,751 with what the mission of the police department was. 909 00:46:46,834 --> 00:46:48,209 I was afraid to speak up 910 00:46:48,292 --> 00:46:50,918 about a lot of the things I had seen. 911 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,876 I was investigating cases where I felt like 912 00:46:53,959 --> 00:46:56,000 maybe I was in danger, 913 00:46:56,083 --> 00:46:59,667 you know, retaliation from cops I was investigating. 914 00:46:59,751 --> 00:47:02,500 I finally realized, I mean, I can't work in the police... 915 00:47:02,584 --> 00:47:04,417 I can't stay. I just had to quit. 916 00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:05,626 It was going to kill me. 917 00:47:05,709 --> 00:47:07,469 It was going to kill me one way or the other. 918 00:47:10,584 --> 00:47:14,792 I just didn't understand how shitty cops 919 00:47:14,876 --> 00:47:17,834 get through that department unscathed, unpunished, 920 00:47:17,918 --> 00:47:20,876 and Sean lost his life in that department. 921 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,042 When I became the Baltimore Police Commissioner in 2015, 922 00:47:36,125 --> 00:47:40,125 I was on Larry Young's morning talk show on WOLB. 923 00:47:40,209 --> 00:47:45,250 He said, "Make sure you rent and don't buy." 924 00:47:45,334 --> 00:47:47,667 The mayor, Catherine Pugh, 925 00:47:47,751 --> 00:47:50,209 wanted Sean Suiter's investigation 926 00:47:50,292 --> 00:47:52,709 to be solved in a hurry. 927 00:47:52,792 --> 00:47:56,167 She saw it as a stain on her mayoral administration, 928 00:47:56,250 --> 00:47:58,959 and she grew growingly frustrated with me 929 00:47:59,042 --> 00:48:00,751 that it wasn't solved, 930 00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:03,626 and I grew growingly frustrated with her 931 00:48:03,709 --> 00:48:06,125 that she was interfering with the integrity 932 00:48:06,209 --> 00:48:08,125 of a murder investigation. 933 00:48:08,209 --> 00:48:10,500 It has been a revolving door 934 00:48:10,584 --> 00:48:12,125 at the top of the Police Department. 935 00:48:12,209 --> 00:48:15,209 This is the third commissioner since 2015. 936 00:48:15,292 --> 00:48:16,500 Commissioner Kevin Davis 937 00:48:16,584 --> 00:48:18,292 was fired in January. 938 00:48:18,375 --> 00:48:19,918 And the Mayor installed 939 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,542 Darryl De Sousa as Commissioner. 940 00:48:21,626 --> 00:48:23,018 One of my topics to talk to him about 941 00:48:23,042 --> 00:48:24,209 was the Sean Suiter case. 942 00:48:24,292 --> 00:48:26,918 Do you have an idea of what you think happened? 943 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,976 I have an idea I'm not going to share it right now, 944 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,751 but I can tell you that I am bringing a independent, 945 00:48:31,834 --> 00:48:34,125 outside source to come in and take a look at it. 946 00:48:34,209 --> 00:48:35,935 And that was the big headline that came out of that 947 00:48:35,959 --> 00:48:38,417 was the new commissioner was going to push forward 948 00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:41,626 on an independent review board on the Sean Suiter case. 949 00:48:50,334 --> 00:48:52,500 We all went up to the police headquarters, 950 00:48:52,584 --> 00:48:54,667 and they put on a big dog-and-pony show for us 951 00:48:54,751 --> 00:48:57,334 about who's going to be looking into this and who's that. 952 00:48:57,417 --> 00:48:59,167 Everyone had a great résumé. 953 00:48:59,250 --> 00:49:02,292 There's some old homicide cops on there from BPD, 954 00:49:02,375 --> 00:49:04,000 police officers from around the country. 955 00:49:04,083 --> 00:49:06,709 It's an open criminal investigation 956 00:49:06,792 --> 00:49:08,500 requiring confidentiality. 957 00:49:08,584 --> 00:49:11,125 They said they are not going to reinvestigate the homicide. 958 00:49:11,209 --> 00:49:13,292 They're going to look at everything around it. 959 00:49:13,375 --> 00:49:15,542 And they said, "But it's not going to be done 960 00:49:15,626 --> 00:49:16,792 "out in the public, 961 00:49:16,876 --> 00:49:18,751 "so we're gonna vote to close the meeting, 962 00:49:18,834 --> 00:49:21,000 and then that's the last thing we're gonna hear." 963 00:49:21,083 --> 00:49:22,792 I want to thank you all for coming 964 00:49:22,876 --> 00:49:24,500 and for being so cooperative. 965 00:49:24,584 --> 00:49:26,209 Thank you all very much. 966 00:49:26,292 --> 00:49:28,209 And then sandwiches came, 967 00:49:28,292 --> 00:49:30,542 and all of the journalists had to go. 968 00:49:30,626 --> 00:49:32,042 People want to know what happened, 969 00:49:32,125 --> 00:49:34,709 and they're going to try to put something together 970 00:49:34,792 --> 00:49:36,250 to make people feel comfortable. 971 00:49:36,334 --> 00:49:38,876 You know, they got to have a story, 972 00:49:38,959 --> 00:49:41,375 'cause you can't let a cop die without a story, 973 00:49:41,459 --> 00:49:45,959 not in America, definitely not in Baltimore City. 974 00:49:58,626 --> 00:50:00,042 Could you talk to us a little bit 975 00:50:00,125 --> 00:50:02,459 just about your client's state of mind right now? 976 00:50:02,542 --> 00:50:06,083 Well, as he said in court, Mr. Ward is very remorseful, 977 00:50:06,167 --> 00:50:08,709 very sorry about what happened. 978 00:50:15,834 --> 00:50:17,751 What happened? 979 00:50:17,834 --> 00:50:20,417 Wayne Jenkins received 25 years in prison. 980 00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:23,167 It was not the maximum. 981 00:50:23,250 --> 00:50:25,417 He turned around and faced the crowd, 982 00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:27,667 and for several minutes apologized for his conduct. 983 00:50:27,751 --> 00:50:28,751 He was sobbing. 984 00:50:28,834 --> 00:50:30,959 His voice was cracking throughout. 985 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,209 I'm sorry for your loss. 986 00:50:34,292 --> 00:50:36,000 Thank you. 987 00:50:42,292 --> 00:50:45,250 When I look at the whole case as presented, 988 00:50:45,334 --> 00:50:48,083 the most shocking thing to me 989 00:50:48,167 --> 00:50:52,417 was on April 27, 2015, 990 00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:55,751 when the drug stores were being burned and looted, 991 00:50:55,834 --> 00:50:57,959 Jenkins was stealing the drugs. 992 00:50:58,042 --> 00:51:01,083 He was looting the looters. 993 00:51:01,167 --> 00:51:04,459 Trash bags full of stolen pharmaceuticals. 994 00:51:04,542 --> 00:51:06,417 You talk about brazen. 995 00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:08,959 A Baltimore police sergeant in charge 996 00:51:09,042 --> 00:51:11,250 of an elite Gun Trace Task Force 997 00:51:11,334 --> 00:51:13,375 was looting. 998 00:51:13,459 --> 00:51:16,626 I mean, we had to have the National Guard come in here. 999 00:51:18,125 --> 00:51:22,250 That really kind of sums up the brazenness 1000 00:51:22,334 --> 00:51:27,667 with which this group of people operated. 1001 00:51:27,751 --> 00:51:30,876 In Baltimore, there was a Viking-like mentality 1002 00:51:30,959 --> 00:51:33,167 for many, many years that encouraged 1003 00:51:33,250 --> 00:51:35,292 the slippery slope behaviors 1004 00:51:35,375 --> 00:51:38,459 that that Gun Trace Task Force went down. 1005 00:51:38,542 --> 00:51:41,250 We tend to give those all-star cops a pass 1006 00:51:41,334 --> 00:51:42,542 because they do what? 1007 00:51:42,626 --> 00:51:44,167 They go out, they hunt, they gather, 1008 00:51:44,250 --> 00:51:45,876 they bring back bad guys and drugs 1009 00:51:45,959 --> 00:51:49,542 and guns and search warrants and cash. 1010 00:52:09,584 --> 00:52:12,083 - He didn't deserve this. - He was a good person. 1011 00:52:12,167 --> 00:52:14,250 You're either a good person or a bad person. 1012 00:52:14,334 --> 00:52:16,000 He was a good person. 1013 00:52:16,083 --> 00:52:18,417 The first time I ever got kicked in the ribs 1014 00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:20,060 by a cop when I was laying on the ground 1015 00:52:20,125 --> 00:52:22,209 for saying something slick out my mouth, 1016 00:52:22,292 --> 00:52:25,751 this officer, his name was Daniel Hersl. 1017 00:52:25,834 --> 00:52:28,751 This hero, that was him. 1018 00:52:30,792 --> 00:52:32,792 I was in my 20s, early 20s, 1019 00:52:32,876 --> 00:52:35,000 and he kicked the shit out of me. 1020 00:52:35,083 --> 00:52:37,667 And I'm like, "Bitch..." Right? 1021 00:52:37,751 --> 00:52:39,042 But you can't do nothing. 1022 00:52:42,083 --> 00:52:43,727 People in the neighborhood, they knew Hersl. 1023 00:52:43,751 --> 00:52:46,000 They knew Hersl wanted money... all the time. 1024 00:52:46,083 --> 00:52:48,125 It's like he always had a bill due. 1025 00:52:48,209 --> 00:52:50,959 Daniel Hersl should have, like, $100 million buried somewhere 1026 00:52:51,042 --> 00:52:53,626 'cause he was always on the prowl. 1027 00:52:57,542 --> 00:53:00,083 And as you can tell by the big smile on Danny Hersl's face, 1028 00:53:00,167 --> 00:53:02,083 they are having a good time, 1029 00:53:02,167 --> 00:53:03,375 and this is just boxes of stuff 1030 00:53:03,459 --> 00:53:05,751 they're stealing out of these people's apartment. 1031 00:53:05,834 --> 00:53:07,792 So, when my editor first asked me 1032 00:53:07,876 --> 00:53:09,918 to get into the human side of Danny Hersl, 1033 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,584 I was like, "Yo, fuck that." 1034 00:53:11,667 --> 00:53:13,834 He lost his ability to be defined as a human 1035 00:53:13,918 --> 00:53:16,834 when he started fucking robbing and stealing 1036 00:53:16,918 --> 00:53:20,083 and ripping off taxpayers while we pay his salary. 1037 00:53:20,167 --> 00:53:21,918 So it's like, how do you get to be a human? 1038 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,226 I thought that was like some classic white privilege shit. 1039 00:53:24,250 --> 00:53:26,292 You know, you do some evil shit, and we got to say, 1040 00:53:26,375 --> 00:53:28,584 "Oh, he was a lone wolf. Oh, he was tortured." 1041 00:53:28,667 --> 00:53:30,042 You know, I was like, 1042 00:53:30,125 --> 00:53:33,167 how the fuck am I going to do that? 1043 00:53:33,250 --> 00:53:35,292 But then I had to sit back and realize, 1044 00:53:35,375 --> 00:53:36,626 well, you know what? 1045 00:53:36,709 --> 00:53:39,292 D. Watkins, you did some fucked-up things. 1046 00:53:39,375 --> 00:53:40,959 You know, you ran these streets, 1047 00:53:41,042 --> 00:53:42,626 and you did all this wild stuff, 1048 00:53:42,709 --> 00:53:44,509 so you don't deserve to be treated as a human. 1049 00:53:44,542 --> 00:53:47,042 There's no shot at redemption for you. 1050 00:53:58,167 --> 00:54:00,417 I'm from East Baltimore, 1051 00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:05,042 and Daniel Hersl is from East Baltimore. 1052 00:54:05,125 --> 00:54:06,250 I like difficult. 1053 00:54:06,334 --> 00:54:09,709 This is a chance to define a cultural moment 1054 00:54:09,792 --> 00:54:12,792 and tell the story of two boys from East Baltimore 1055 00:54:12,876 --> 00:54:15,959 who completely had opposite paths. 1056 00:54:16,042 --> 00:54:17,334 I started out in the street, 1057 00:54:17,417 --> 00:54:19,167 and I ended up as a college professor. 1058 00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:21,334 He started out as a police officer 1059 00:54:21,417 --> 00:54:24,334 and then ended up doing 18 years in federal prison. 1060 00:54:33,918 --> 00:54:36,959 Danny Hersl and I have a whole lot of parallels. 1061 00:54:37,042 --> 00:54:38,626 We both lost family members. 1062 00:54:38,709 --> 00:54:40,667 We went to some of the same schools. 1063 00:54:40,751 --> 00:54:42,959 Some of his friends who I got to talk 1064 00:54:43,042 --> 00:54:44,375 said that he was a loyal guy. 1065 00:54:44,459 --> 00:54:47,334 He was a person that was down to do whatever for his friends. 1066 00:54:52,083 --> 00:54:54,459 I didn't sign up for something easy. 1067 00:54:54,542 --> 00:54:57,959 Talking about race and trying to see humanity in a person 1068 00:54:58,042 --> 00:55:00,709 that has been a devil to you and a devil 1069 00:55:00,792 --> 00:55:03,542 to a whole lot of people you know isn't an easy task. 1070 00:55:03,626 --> 00:55:05,506 - Hey, you the author, right? - Yeah, what's up? 1071 00:55:05,542 --> 00:55:07,462 - You came to my school. - What school you go to? 1072 00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:09,060 - I go to City. - I like your book, man. 1073 00:55:09,125 --> 00:55:12,375 Thank you, I appreciate it. 1074 00:55:12,459 --> 00:55:15,375 Hersl and I are both victims of the drug war. 1075 00:55:15,459 --> 00:55:18,167 He was on one side. I was on the other side. 1076 00:55:18,250 --> 00:55:19,935 Did he have a chance to know right from wrong? 1077 00:55:19,959 --> 00:55:21,667 Yeah, he did. But he chose wrong. 1078 00:55:21,751 --> 00:55:23,435 Did I have chances to know right from wrong? 1079 00:55:23,459 --> 00:55:25,918 Yes, I did, and I chose wrong 1080 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,000 until I felt like it was time for me to choose right. 1081 00:55:29,083 --> 00:55:32,167 It's just like musical chairs. I chose before I fell. 1082 00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:34,876 I take personal responsibility for my actions, 1083 00:55:34,959 --> 00:55:37,500 just like I think he should take personal responsibilities 1084 00:55:37,584 --> 00:55:38,918 for his actions. 1085 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,918 But the one thing that me and that clown have in common 1086 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,417 is that we both did what we saw. 1087 00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:46,560 That's what we saw, that's what we saw people doing around us, 1088 00:55:46,584 --> 00:55:48,083 so that's what we tried to do. 1089 00:55:50,792 --> 00:55:53,334 The eighth largest police department in the country 1090 00:55:53,417 --> 00:55:54,417 in turmoil tonight. 1091 00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:56,542 Darryl De Sousa is done. 1092 00:55:56,626 --> 00:55:59,542 The commissioner of just four months resigned this morning 1093 00:55:59,626 --> 00:56:02,209 as he battles federal charges of willfully 1094 00:56:02,292 --> 00:56:04,918 not filing his taxes for three years. 1095 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,417 I tell you, when De Sousa was made chief, 1096 00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:11,000 I got a list of questions from the press 1097 00:56:11,083 --> 00:56:12,918 that involved his vetting, 1098 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,667 and I remember calling City Hall and saying, 1099 00:56:15,751 --> 00:56:17,584 "Hey, we have answers to these?" 1100 00:56:17,667 --> 00:56:20,459 I mean, some of them were so basic. 1101 00:56:20,542 --> 00:56:23,626 It seemed to be an emotional selection 1102 00:56:23,709 --> 00:56:25,751 without due diligence. 1103 00:56:25,834 --> 00:56:28,292 All of this could have been avoided. 1104 00:56:30,167 --> 00:56:33,000 The truth is that the mayor of Baltimore controls 1105 00:56:33,083 --> 00:56:36,834 the Baltimore Police Department to a large extent. 1106 00:56:36,918 --> 00:56:40,125 Everything goes back to the political leadership, 1107 00:56:40,209 --> 00:56:41,959 the political "misleadership" class 1108 00:56:42,042 --> 00:56:45,167 that seems to always be in office. 1109 00:56:45,250 --> 00:56:47,209 People have been interested 1110 00:56:47,292 --> 00:56:49,751 more in currying favor with power 1111 00:56:49,834 --> 00:56:51,918 than they have with elevating the people 1112 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,209 that needed their support. 1113 00:56:54,292 --> 00:56:59,459 The fact that this city has basically bled dry 1114 00:56:59,542 --> 00:57:02,667 entire communities for decades, 1115 00:57:02,751 --> 00:57:04,876 giving people nothing, 1116 00:57:04,959 --> 00:57:08,209 inadequate education, not even a trash pickup. 1117 00:57:08,292 --> 00:57:11,834 There's no economic engine in many communities 1118 00:57:11,918 --> 00:57:14,959 intentionally for a long time other than the drug trade. 1119 00:57:15,042 --> 00:57:17,500 That isn't the fault of the people. 1120 00:57:17,584 --> 00:57:19,834 That's the political establishment 1121 00:57:19,918 --> 00:57:22,167 creating that environment. 1122 00:57:27,918 --> 00:57:29,626 We're awaiting the final report 1123 00:57:29,709 --> 00:57:32,334 from the independent review board. 1124 00:57:32,417 --> 00:57:35,167 I'm sure everybody in town is going to be trying to get it 1125 00:57:35,250 --> 00:57:38,292 before it comes out, myself included, 1126 00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:41,209 but we're just waiting. 1127 00:58:00,417 --> 00:58:03,584 - Come on, man! - Killed himself? 1128 00:58:03,667 --> 00:58:06,167 Get the hell out of here. That's bullshit. 1129 00:58:16,209 --> 00:58:19,209 The safest thing for Baltimore is to say, 1130 00:58:19,292 --> 00:58:22,542 "Police officers would never kill another cop, never. 1131 00:58:22,626 --> 00:58:24,542 "They would never kill another cop. 1132 00:58:24,626 --> 00:58:27,459 They'll never do that. Suiter killed himself." 1133 00:58:27,542 --> 00:58:29,209 And that maintains the narrative 1134 00:58:29,292 --> 00:58:31,250 that I'm working so hard to dismantle. 1135 00:58:32,667 --> 00:58:34,709 And what we now learn, 1136 00:58:34,792 --> 00:58:36,518 he wasn't just going to testify as a witness. 1137 00:58:36,542 --> 00:58:38,918 He was testifying under limited immunity, 1138 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,459 which is a very different kind of witness. 1139 00:58:46,709 --> 00:58:49,417 He wasn't so-called "target" 1140 00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:54,334 of the GTF investigation, but he was a "subject" of it. 1141 00:58:54,417 --> 00:58:57,000 It means that the feds didn't really know 1142 00:58:57,083 --> 00:59:00,209 what he knew or did. 1143 00:59:00,292 --> 00:59:02,250 They released it the night 1144 00:59:02,334 --> 00:59:04,250 before they had a press conference. 1145 00:59:04,334 --> 00:59:08,083 And along with it, they released a piece of video 1146 00:59:08,167 --> 00:59:10,959 that I had been trying to get my hands on forever. 1147 00:59:18,834 --> 00:59:20,959 They released an audio clip 1148 00:59:21,042 --> 00:59:24,459 of Sean's last audio transmission. 1149 00:59:26,209 --> 00:59:27,709 Which was unintelligible, 1150 00:59:27,792 --> 00:59:30,709 but there's still some sound there, you know, and... 1151 00:59:32,167 --> 00:59:34,250 That was interesting to me. 1152 00:59:34,334 --> 00:59:35,876 And then I read the report. 1153 00:59:35,959 --> 00:59:38,292 And, you know, it was rumored 1154 00:59:38,375 --> 00:59:40,209 that it was going to come out as suicide, 1155 00:59:40,292 --> 00:59:41,810 and then you read it in black and white 1156 00:59:41,834 --> 00:59:43,667 where the IRB board said, 1157 00:59:43,751 --> 00:59:45,584 "We conclude that this is suicide." 1158 00:59:58,792 --> 01:00:00,667 And I looked at that, and I was like, 1159 01:00:00,751 --> 01:00:04,667 "Okay, now show me... Show me where it's at." 1160 01:00:04,751 --> 01:00:08,959 And so I read that report three times that night. 1161 01:00:09,042 --> 01:00:12,000 I didn't see anything new... 1162 01:00:12,083 --> 01:00:14,459 No new physical evidence, 1163 01:00:14,542 --> 01:00:18,959 nothing to suggest that they can conclude unanimously 1164 01:00:19,042 --> 01:00:21,459 that Sean Suiter killed himself. 1165 01:00:21,542 --> 01:00:24,292 It wasn't there for me as a reporter. 1166 01:00:25,709 --> 01:00:28,584 - Uh-huh, okay. - Thank you very much. 1167 01:00:28,667 --> 01:00:30,250 I'll call you if there's anything... 1168 01:00:30,334 --> 01:00:34,751 I reached out to former commissioner Kevin Davis. 1169 01:00:34,834 --> 01:00:38,709 I don't know, in any other town, this might be shocking, 1170 01:00:38,792 --> 01:00:41,667 but he completely condemned the police department, 1171 01:00:41,751 --> 01:00:44,375 and he said that there is a culture there that, 1172 01:00:44,459 --> 01:00:46,334 you know, they were culturally trying to, 1173 01:00:46,417 --> 01:00:48,457 you know, cover this up because they couldn't handle 1174 01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:50,542 not being able to solve the case. 1175 01:00:50,626 --> 01:00:55,209 He also said that he refused to meet with the full board 1176 01:00:55,292 --> 01:00:58,959 because he didn't trust members of the police department 1177 01:00:59,042 --> 01:01:00,542 who were on the board. 1178 01:01:00,626 --> 01:01:02,334 That's a pretty shocking statement 1179 01:01:02,417 --> 01:01:05,334 from somebody who ran the place for three years. 1180 01:01:05,417 --> 01:01:08,167 He is an outsider, and he ran the place for three years, 1181 01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:09,834 and he's basically telling the public 1182 01:01:09,918 --> 01:01:11,584 you can't trust anybody over there, 1183 01:01:11,667 --> 01:01:14,626 and they are going to sort of juke this case 1184 01:01:14,709 --> 01:01:16,125 to what they want it to be. 1185 01:01:16,209 --> 01:01:18,125 That's coming from someone who ran the place 1186 01:01:18,209 --> 01:01:20,584 and saw it from the inside out. 1187 01:01:24,834 --> 01:01:26,584 Questions? 1188 01:01:26,667 --> 01:01:30,209 Mayor, do you accept the finding of self-inflicted? 1189 01:01:30,292 --> 01:01:32,476 - Well, let me just say this... - You know, first of all, 1190 01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:36,250 you know, my condolences are still with the family. 1191 01:01:36,334 --> 01:01:38,417 I'm also looking forward to hearing 1192 01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:40,667 from the review committee as well, you know, 1193 01:01:40,751 --> 01:01:43,417 because I think there needs to be a thorough understanding 1194 01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:45,209 of their own findings. 1195 01:01:45,292 --> 01:01:47,876 There's no question that the Independent Review Board 1196 01:01:47,959 --> 01:01:49,439 that reviewed the evidence in the case 1197 01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:53,542 and the facts of the case has placed a lot of weight 1198 01:01:53,626 --> 01:01:56,292 on the connection to the Gun Trace Task Force case 1199 01:01:56,375 --> 01:01:57,959 to the death of Sean Suiter. 1200 01:01:58,042 --> 01:02:00,292 The commissioner says, "Okay, there was a man 1201 01:02:00,375 --> 01:02:02,125 in a black leather jacket." 1202 01:02:02,209 --> 01:02:03,959 Right, and that is what the report says. 1203 01:02:04,042 --> 01:02:06,500 And the report reveals that there were some inaccuracies. 1204 01:02:06,584 --> 01:02:08,224 Knowing what you know now, do you regret 1205 01:02:08,250 --> 01:02:11,751 the hero's funeral with public road closings 1206 01:02:11,834 --> 01:02:14,083 and a vast PR campaign surrounding it? 1207 01:02:14,167 --> 01:02:15,918 Well, I didn't orchestrate that, 1208 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,083 so let me just say that, again, these are findings 1209 01:02:19,167 --> 01:02:21,417 that are still being reviewed and will be shared. 1210 01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:24,709 So you don't feel at any point that you were misled 1211 01:02:24,792 --> 01:02:26,584 by anyone on the police department? 1212 01:02:26,667 --> 01:02:29,292 - I think we all... - Well, according to this report, 1213 01:02:29,375 --> 01:02:31,751 we've all been misled. 1214 01:02:31,834 --> 01:02:37,459 To hear someone totally drag your homeboy, man... 1215 01:02:37,542 --> 01:02:39,667 Like, he just... 1216 01:02:39,751 --> 01:02:42,000 That's not him. 1217 01:02:46,375 --> 01:02:50,918 Like, to hear that from people that didn't know him... 1218 01:02:52,918 --> 01:02:54,876 It was... it was... It was jacked up. 1219 01:02:54,959 --> 01:02:56,459 It was a jacked-up day. 1220 01:03:01,834 --> 01:03:03,393 The physical evidence definitely takes you 1221 01:03:03,417 --> 01:03:06,209 to a self-inflicted conclusion. 1222 01:03:07,751 --> 01:03:10,959 But when you really think about the case, 1223 01:03:11,042 --> 01:03:13,626 either you've got Sean Suiter 1224 01:03:13,709 --> 01:03:17,542 who needs to make his suicide look like murder, 1225 01:03:17,626 --> 01:03:20,918 and if he is targeted because of what he may know 1226 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,209 about other activities of other officers, 1227 01:03:24,292 --> 01:03:26,959 you've got someone who needs to make his murder 1228 01:03:27,042 --> 01:03:30,000 look like suicide. 1229 01:03:30,083 --> 01:03:32,334 There wasn't ever supposed to be a conclusion 1230 01:03:32,417 --> 01:03:34,876 drawn from the IRB. 1231 01:03:34,959 --> 01:03:36,959 I was shocked when I found out 1232 01:03:37,042 --> 01:03:39,459 that there was an actual conclusion. 1233 01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:55,626 Can you address people who may be looking at this 1234 01:03:55,709 --> 01:03:58,250 saying this is a really far-fetched scenario? 1235 01:03:58,334 --> 01:04:01,083 The totality of the evidence, not individually, 1236 01:04:01,167 --> 01:04:02,709 but the totality of the evidence 1237 01:04:02,792 --> 01:04:04,584 builds a compelling case 1238 01:04:04,667 --> 01:04:07,000 that the conclusion is very well supported, 1239 01:04:07,083 --> 01:04:11,626 and there is unanimity on all recommendations, 1240 01:04:11,709 --> 01:04:14,959 all findings, all conclusions that were made in the report. 1241 01:04:15,042 --> 01:04:17,500 To what extent did your investigators 1242 01:04:17,584 --> 01:04:21,042 look at the theory that many in the community 1243 01:04:21,125 --> 01:04:24,375 are saying this was a hit put on Suiter by the BPD? 1244 01:04:24,459 --> 01:04:26,375 I refer you to the report. 1245 01:04:26,459 --> 01:04:29,709 It turns out that we were able to exactly time 1246 01:04:29,792 --> 01:04:32,042 sort of the sequence of events 1247 01:04:32,125 --> 01:04:33,834 and there was a total of eight seconds 1248 01:04:33,918 --> 01:04:35,667 when somebody wasn't being observed, 1249 01:04:35,751 --> 01:04:37,959 and you couldn't get in, do that, 1250 01:04:38,042 --> 01:04:40,417 put the evidence in, raise the arm up, 1251 01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:43,334 close the arm... It was not possible. 1252 01:04:43,417 --> 01:04:45,792 I just want to clear up a factual matter. 1253 01:04:45,876 --> 01:04:49,626 It says that Hersl had pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate. 1254 01:04:49,709 --> 01:04:52,083 But he was one of the two who didn't plead guilty. 1255 01:04:52,167 --> 01:04:53,667 Was there a mistake? 1256 01:04:53,751 --> 01:04:55,459 No, I believe it's the same Hersl. 1257 01:04:55,542 --> 01:04:57,542 This is a big mistake. 1258 01:04:57,626 --> 01:04:59,459 This is a fairly large public trial 1259 01:04:59,542 --> 01:05:02,250 that we all covered, that he went to trial, 1260 01:05:02,334 --> 01:05:04,083 and it went on for weeks, 1261 01:05:04,167 --> 01:05:06,918 but it says in here that he pled guilty. 1262 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,125 But beyond that, did you guys also interview other people 1263 01:05:10,209 --> 01:05:14,918 in his family or in his life to help state of mind 1264 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,792 that this grand jury may not have been the only thing 1265 01:05:17,876 --> 01:05:21,626 that was stressing him out to make him commit suicide? 1266 01:05:21,709 --> 01:05:23,792 Let me just say this, you know, 1267 01:05:23,876 --> 01:05:27,000 we followed the information, and we followed the facts. 1268 01:05:27,083 --> 01:05:30,209 We do not attempt to understand what his state of mind was 1269 01:05:30,292 --> 01:05:32,500 when he took the actions that he did. 1270 01:05:32,584 --> 01:05:35,459 We can't surmise that about Detective Suiter. 1271 01:05:35,542 --> 01:05:36,834 We can't. 1272 01:05:36,918 --> 01:05:40,667 I didn't know about the factual error 1273 01:05:40,751 --> 01:05:44,792 that was in the IRB report, a big one. 1274 01:05:46,250 --> 01:05:50,876 I don't like embarrassment. I don't like being wrong. 1275 01:05:50,959 --> 01:05:54,417 This shit should be right, period! 1276 01:05:54,500 --> 01:05:57,459 This is not just a report. 1277 01:05:57,542 --> 01:06:00,125 This is somebody's life. 1278 01:06:00,209 --> 01:06:02,792 We're about to tell someone's family 1279 01:06:02,876 --> 01:06:05,792 that we don't believe your husband was killed. 1280 01:06:05,876 --> 01:06:08,709 We believe he did it himself. Oh, sorry for this fact. 1281 01:06:08,792 --> 01:06:13,542 No, no, no, it's no margin for error for that. 1282 01:06:13,626 --> 01:06:16,209 Based on the fact that no one knew my husband 1283 01:06:16,292 --> 01:06:17,584 better than I did, 1284 01:06:17,667 --> 01:06:19,709 I will not accept the untimely death of Sean 1285 01:06:19,792 --> 01:06:22,876 as nothing other than a murder... 1286 01:06:22,959 --> 01:06:24,209 which has been covered up 1287 01:06:24,292 --> 01:06:28,500 for reasons unbeknownst to me or my family. 1288 01:06:28,584 --> 01:06:31,042 Sean did not deserve to die in this manner, 1289 01:06:31,125 --> 01:06:33,876 and no one deserves to get away with this. 1290 01:06:33,959 --> 01:06:36,542 Nicole knew that there were wolves. 1291 01:06:36,626 --> 01:06:39,709 I saw an effort by certain individuals 1292 01:06:39,792 --> 01:06:42,334 within the Baltimore City Police Department 1293 01:06:42,417 --> 01:06:44,500 to demonize Sean, 1294 01:06:44,584 --> 01:06:48,417 to turn him into another one of these shadowy GTTF figures. 1295 01:06:50,334 --> 01:06:52,250 What does the Baltimore City Police Department 1296 01:06:52,334 --> 01:06:54,542 have to gain by lying about Sean? 1297 01:06:54,626 --> 01:06:56,250 What do you think is going on here? 1298 01:06:56,334 --> 01:06:58,083 Why do you think this is happening? 1299 01:06:58,167 --> 01:07:02,876 To be honest, I don't know why this is happening. 1300 01:07:02,959 --> 01:07:05,500 But something's happening. 1301 01:07:10,292 --> 01:07:12,417 There is nothing to indicate to me 1302 01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:15,083 that he took his own life. 1303 01:07:15,167 --> 01:07:17,584 I am the one who reached out to the U.S. Attorney's Office 1304 01:07:17,667 --> 01:07:20,334 and requested immunity. 1305 01:07:20,417 --> 01:07:23,918 He was not worried about his involvement in this case. 1306 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,459 The U.S. Attorneys handling the investigation 1307 01:07:26,542 --> 01:07:28,459 made it clear to me that they saw Sean 1308 01:07:28,542 --> 01:07:31,250 as a witness to the Umar Burley case, 1309 01:07:31,334 --> 01:07:32,959 not a suspect. 1310 01:07:34,751 --> 01:07:37,292 Now I'm trying to make sure that two things happen... 1311 01:07:37,375 --> 01:07:40,792 That his family gets benefits and that somebody 1312 01:07:40,876 --> 01:07:42,751 actually investigates his fucking murder, 1313 01:07:42,834 --> 01:07:46,792 which I really don't think are two big things to ask. 1314 01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:52,876 The intricate plan on staging this 1315 01:07:52,959 --> 01:07:56,250 for insurance purposes just bothers me the most. 1316 01:07:56,334 --> 01:07:58,584 As Black families, we just go through shit. 1317 01:07:58,667 --> 01:07:59,918 We go through shit. 1318 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,435 We go through shit, and then we go through shit 1319 01:08:01,459 --> 01:08:02,852 while we're getting through other shit 1320 01:08:02,876 --> 01:08:04,643 that we're going through... That's not strange. 1321 01:08:04,667 --> 01:08:06,347 He wasn't some corporate guy on Wall Street 1322 01:08:06,375 --> 01:08:07,459 running a foundation. 1323 01:08:07,542 --> 01:08:09,334 He was a fucking cop. He's in the street. 1324 01:08:09,417 --> 01:08:11,709 He's seen pain. He's been through shit. 1325 01:08:11,792 --> 01:08:14,018 So to tell me that he can't stomach doing a little three, 1326 01:08:14,042 --> 01:08:16,292 four years in the joint, come on, man. 1327 01:08:21,751 --> 01:08:26,292 Your partner is close by in daylight... 1328 01:08:26,375 --> 01:08:28,542 in a fairly populated part of town, 1329 01:08:28,626 --> 01:08:32,459 and you are going to contort yourself 1330 01:08:32,542 --> 01:08:36,959 in a way that makes it look like someone killed you, 1331 01:08:37,042 --> 01:08:38,959 but you're killing yourself. 1332 01:08:39,042 --> 01:08:40,417 You're going to fire three shots, 1333 01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:41,709 two of them randomly 1334 01:08:41,792 --> 01:08:44,375 and then the third into the back of your head. 1335 01:08:44,459 --> 01:08:46,083 If you wanted to kill yourself on the job 1336 01:08:46,167 --> 01:08:48,751 specifically to get the benefits to your family, 1337 01:08:48,834 --> 01:08:51,083 there are a million other easier ways to do this 1338 01:08:51,167 --> 01:08:55,083 than to concoct this incredible scene here. 1339 01:08:56,959 --> 01:08:59,042 What's at stake here is Nicole Suiter 1340 01:08:59,125 --> 01:09:02,334 and her family and this man's legacy. 1341 01:09:02,417 --> 01:09:04,751 What's at stake here is maybe their benefits, 1342 01:09:04,834 --> 01:09:07,292 which could total a half a million dollars. 1343 01:09:07,375 --> 01:09:11,000 What's at stake here is how this man is remembered. 1344 01:09:15,083 --> 01:09:18,459 - It just don't make sense. - He had no reason. 1345 01:09:20,959 --> 01:09:23,834 He wasn't involved in anything. 1346 01:09:23,918 --> 01:09:27,375 Tell me he was involved in something. 1347 01:09:29,959 --> 01:09:32,083 The only thing Sean probably guilty of 1348 01:09:32,167 --> 01:09:34,250 is knowing that his partners was dirty 1349 01:09:34,334 --> 01:09:36,918 and didn't turn 'em in. 1350 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,250 If he's guilty of anything, 1351 01:09:38,334 --> 01:09:40,459 that's the only thing he's guilty of. 1352 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,709 I'm not angry at the police department. 1353 01:09:48,792 --> 01:09:51,417 I just want justice for my husband. 1354 01:09:53,751 --> 01:09:55,375 I don't think I'll be able to get that 1355 01:09:55,459 --> 01:09:57,542 with a lot of anger in my heart. 1356 01:10:08,959 --> 01:10:11,751 People are still, still working the case. 1357 01:10:15,167 --> 01:10:17,167 Like I said, I stay away from it 1358 01:10:17,250 --> 01:10:19,834 because of how close I am. 1359 01:10:19,918 --> 01:10:21,500 What's up, player? 1360 01:10:25,209 --> 01:10:27,834 I was good this morning, you know? 1361 01:10:27,918 --> 01:10:32,083 Just interesting because this case right here 1362 01:10:32,167 --> 01:10:33,876 that I'm on out here for 1363 01:10:33,959 --> 01:10:38,250 is a case we were working on together, you know? 1364 01:10:38,334 --> 01:10:41,417 Damn, I wasn't trying even to... 1365 01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:44,417 Come on, man. 1366 01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:46,292 All right, champ, get me together. 1367 01:10:46,375 --> 01:10:47,751 Let's get this going. 1368 01:10:47,834 --> 01:10:49,542 - All right. - Sorry about that. 1369 01:10:49,626 --> 01:10:52,626 All right, so, yeah... 1370 01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:54,459 it's kind of rough. 1371 01:11:11,083 --> 01:11:14,167 I want to go where he was killed, 1372 01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:17,542 so the community down there can remember Sean. 1373 01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:21,250 I want it to resurface 1374 01:11:21,334 --> 01:11:23,918 so his killing don't go in vain. 1375 01:11:25,375 --> 01:11:28,959 In a quarter mile, make a right turn. 1376 01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:40,459 Waking up this morning was kind of hard. 1377 01:11:40,542 --> 01:11:43,792 Getting myself together was kind of hard. 1378 01:11:43,876 --> 01:11:47,417 Just reopening wounds all over again. 1379 01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:50,250 Doesn't seem like it's been a year, though. 1380 01:11:57,125 --> 01:12:01,000 That day, we were going to go out together. 1381 01:12:01,083 --> 01:12:04,500 I didn't know that he was set to testify at the grand jury 1382 01:12:04,584 --> 01:12:07,334 in this GTTF shit, and some people were like, 1383 01:12:07,417 --> 01:12:10,626 "Well, you're his partner. Why wouldn't he tell you?" 1384 01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:14,167 That's something that he had to deal with. 1385 01:12:14,250 --> 01:12:16,334 I didn't know about it. 1386 01:12:16,417 --> 01:12:18,167 I didn't know. 1387 01:12:21,125 --> 01:12:24,417 My husband was never a coward to commit suicide. 1388 01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:26,209 Let's just say that Sean, 1389 01:12:26,292 --> 01:12:27,959 if he was involved in something, 1390 01:12:28,042 --> 01:12:31,792 which he wasn't, he's going to take his punishment like a man. 1391 01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:55,083 Being there that day at the vigil, 1392 01:12:55,167 --> 01:12:58,918 it was a strange feeling because it was no feeling. 1393 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,459 It hurt for so long that it just... 1394 01:13:01,542 --> 01:13:03,876 The pain couldn't be any more. 1395 01:13:03,959 --> 01:13:04,959 Sean is all right. 1396 01:13:05,042 --> 01:13:09,125 Sean has made that journey that we all have to make. 1397 01:13:26,042 --> 01:13:28,417 Brian unveils new information tonight 1398 01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:31,083 that Suiter's attorneys say further discredits 1399 01:13:31,167 --> 01:13:32,459 the suicide theory. 1400 01:13:32,542 --> 01:13:34,375 This is Sean Suiter. 1401 01:13:34,459 --> 01:13:37,709 Taken just days before a review board says 1402 01:13:37,792 --> 01:13:39,375 he killed himself. 1403 01:13:39,459 --> 01:13:42,792 The last intimate moment Nicole and her husband shared. 1404 01:13:42,876 --> 01:13:45,334 She texted this video to him an hour 1405 01:13:45,417 --> 01:13:48,542 before he was shot on November 15th last year. 1406 01:13:48,626 --> 01:13:50,500 He called, they laughed, 1407 01:13:50,584 --> 01:13:52,500 he said he would stay up for her 1408 01:13:52,584 --> 01:13:55,000 when she got home from her night shift. 1409 01:13:55,083 --> 01:13:59,667 The main theory of this independent review board 1410 01:13:59,751 --> 01:14:02,959 is that the day Sean killed himself, 1411 01:14:03,042 --> 01:14:06,125 he chose a junior homicide detective. 1412 01:14:06,209 --> 01:14:08,792 I guess the implication is that he wouldn't know 1413 01:14:08,876 --> 01:14:11,459 what Sean was doing. 1414 01:14:12,876 --> 01:14:14,667 That was their theory. 1415 01:14:16,292 --> 01:14:18,209 Did it sound like they were coming from up? 1416 01:14:18,292 --> 01:14:20,125 It sounded like it came just from the alley. 1417 01:14:20,209 --> 01:14:21,834 That corner... It's all T'd off. 1418 01:14:21,918 --> 01:14:24,918 It was vibrating back and forth. 1419 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,709 I didn't see the shooter. I didn't hear any cars. 1420 01:14:27,792 --> 01:14:29,209 I didn't see any cars speed off. 1421 01:14:29,292 --> 01:14:31,334 I didn't see anybody run. 1422 01:14:31,417 --> 01:14:34,000 I come to find out that it wasn't. 1423 01:14:34,083 --> 01:14:35,959 Sean's case that they were on the street for. 1424 01:14:36,042 --> 01:14:38,209 It was that junior detective's case, 1425 01:14:38,292 --> 01:14:41,042 and there's paperwork to that effect. 1426 01:14:41,125 --> 01:14:43,000 In fact, it was David Bomenka 1427 01:14:43,083 --> 01:14:45,834 who had the more active case on that block. 1428 01:14:45,918 --> 01:14:47,876 It partly relied on the witness testimony 1429 01:14:47,959 --> 01:14:50,500 of a woman in the 900 block of Bennett Place. 1430 01:14:50,584 --> 01:14:53,167 The documents show she was located on the morning. 1431 01:14:53,250 --> 01:14:55,751 Suiter was shot but refused to cooperate 1432 01:14:55,834 --> 01:14:57,834 with the homicide operations team 1433 01:14:57,918 --> 01:15:00,000 dispatched to bring her in. 1434 01:15:00,083 --> 01:15:02,375 Sources close to the investigation say. 1435 01:15:02,459 --> 01:15:05,667 Detective Bomenka was then ordered to return to the block 1436 01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:08,459 later that day and convince the witness himself 1437 01:15:08,542 --> 01:15:10,918 and that Sean Suiter was simply 1438 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,417 the only other detective available to go with him. 1439 01:15:14,500 --> 01:15:15,918 "Take Suiter with you," 1440 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,250 because Sean was the only guy on the floor. 1441 01:15:18,334 --> 01:15:19,959 That's what sources have told me, 1442 01:15:20,042 --> 01:15:22,292 and I've confirmed that three or four different times, 1443 01:15:22,375 --> 01:15:24,125 which questions the IRB's conclusion 1444 01:15:24,209 --> 01:15:26,751 that Suiter pushed to go out there that day 1445 01:15:26,834 --> 01:15:29,959 and work with a rookie cop in order to kill himself. 1446 01:15:37,918 --> 01:15:40,876 It's a big sticking point for Suiter's supporters 1447 01:15:40,959 --> 01:15:44,000 that, you know, the IRB got it wrong. 1448 01:15:44,083 --> 01:15:46,417 It discredits the IRB's work in that regard. 1449 01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:49,876 I don't know that the whole theory disintegrates. 1450 01:15:52,375 --> 01:15:54,709 In concluding Sean Suiter took his own life, 1451 01:15:54,792 --> 01:15:58,083 an independent review board cited the lack of evidence 1452 01:15:58,167 --> 01:16:01,459 of a second person through DNA testing or fingerprints. 1453 01:16:01,542 --> 01:16:03,959 Now we've learned there is DNA evidence 1454 01:16:04,042 --> 01:16:06,626 that could suggest a second person. 1455 01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:08,292 It was found on Suiter's gun, 1456 01:16:08,375 --> 01:16:10,918 according to a source familiar with the investigation, 1457 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,417 and does not belong to Suiter. 1458 01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:15,292 But it is not traceable. 1459 01:16:15,375 --> 01:16:18,417 It has not been linked to a specific person. 1460 01:16:18,500 --> 01:16:20,417 All of these different reporters, you know, 1461 01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:22,083 "Suiter's DNA is here and there. 1462 01:16:22,167 --> 01:16:24,125 There's another DNA. There's no DNA." 1463 01:16:24,209 --> 01:16:25,751 There's no, you know, whatever. 1464 01:16:25,834 --> 01:16:27,918 And all of the information coming from the police 1465 01:16:28,042 --> 01:16:29,542 makes perfect sense 1466 01:16:29,626 --> 01:16:32,667 if your department's not full of liars. 1467 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,375 Hey, is there anything going down 1468 01:16:40,459 --> 01:16:42,459 that I should know about? 1469 01:16:42,542 --> 01:16:44,209 Yeah. Yes, really? 1470 01:16:44,292 --> 01:16:47,584 Okay, can you fill me in so I'm not behind the 8 ball? 1471 01:16:48,918 --> 01:16:51,834 Fuck, I had no idea how to confirm that. 1472 01:16:56,876 --> 01:16:59,209 There's going to be a big report tonight. 1473 01:16:59,292 --> 01:17:00,792 Before you got here, 1474 01:17:00,876 --> 01:17:03,167 our former police commissioner pleading guilty, 1475 01:17:03,250 --> 01:17:05,918 and now this is going on. 1476 01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,459 It remains one of the biggest open wounds 1477 01:17:08,542 --> 01:17:10,626 from last year's record-setting violent-crime rate... 1478 01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:13,042 The death of homicide Detective Sean Suiter, 1479 01:17:13,125 --> 01:17:16,042 shrouded in mystery, a litany of unanswered questions. 1480 01:17:16,125 --> 01:17:18,584 Tonight this is at least one of the leads 1481 01:17:18,667 --> 01:17:22,209 police gathered in the weeks after his shooting. 1482 01:17:25,918 --> 01:17:27,167 This is an interview 1483 01:17:27,250 --> 01:17:30,042 inside the Baltimore Police Department's Homicide Section 1484 01:17:30,125 --> 01:17:32,792 on December 8, 2017. 1485 01:17:32,876 --> 01:17:34,834 The man being interviewed is Donte Pauling, 1486 01:17:34,918 --> 01:17:36,834 picked up on a gun possession charge 1487 01:17:36,918 --> 01:17:38,334 three weeks after the death 1488 01:17:38,417 --> 01:17:40,584 of homicide detective Sean Suiter. 1489 01:17:40,667 --> 01:17:42,709 This is a hard-core leak. 1490 01:17:42,792 --> 01:17:44,667 Pauling tells these officers 1491 01:17:44,751 --> 01:17:46,375 he heard what happened to Sean Suiter 1492 01:17:46,459 --> 01:17:48,500 and began detailing how he knew the guy 1493 01:17:48,584 --> 01:17:49,918 who knew how it happened. 1494 01:18:02,751 --> 01:18:04,167 This is the video released 1495 01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:06,125 by the independent review board this summer. 1496 01:18:06,209 --> 01:18:08,125 That is Suiter behind the van. 1497 01:18:08,209 --> 01:18:12,250 The IRB used this video as evidence to say he was pacing, 1498 01:18:12,334 --> 01:18:14,542 working up the courage to jump into the alley 1499 01:18:14,626 --> 01:18:15,834 and shoot himself. 1500 01:18:15,918 --> 01:18:18,375 But Pauling is now telling detectives this is 1501 01:18:18,459 --> 01:18:20,584 when Suiter decided to run into the alley 1502 01:18:20,667 --> 01:18:23,667 to confront a suspect leaning over his drug stash, 1503 01:18:23,751 --> 01:18:25,584 gun drawn in plain clothes. 1504 01:18:25,667 --> 01:18:28,000 Pauling never did get the man's name 1505 01:18:28,083 --> 01:18:29,876 who allegedly overpowered Suiter 1506 01:18:29,959 --> 01:18:32,209 and killed him with his own service weapon. 1507 01:18:32,292 --> 01:18:33,542 We still didn't even know 1508 01:18:33,626 --> 01:18:35,125 it was an officer yet... 1509 01:18:35,209 --> 01:18:37,959 What is unclear is what ever came of this tip. 1510 01:18:38,042 --> 01:18:40,000 It is important to note that the IRB report says 1511 01:18:40,083 --> 01:18:42,250 police ran down 54 tips 1512 01:18:42,334 --> 01:18:44,334 and that "all leads were exhausted," 1513 01:18:44,417 --> 01:18:47,125 but the report does not mention this lead specifically. 1514 01:18:47,209 --> 01:18:49,542 All right, I got to make a phone call. 1515 01:18:49,626 --> 01:18:51,918 Tell me why this wasn't a credible tip 1516 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,500 so I can offer another side of the story. 1517 01:18:54,584 --> 01:18:55,685 I'm like, you can't "no comment" this. 1518 01:18:55,709 --> 01:18:58,334 People are gonna... People are so distrusting. 1519 01:18:58,417 --> 01:19:00,751 You've got to say something. 1520 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,250 We have, notoriously, 1521 01:19:11,334 --> 01:19:14,584 one of the most corrupt police forces in the country. 1522 01:19:14,667 --> 01:19:18,375 There is still a great deal of denial. 1523 01:19:18,459 --> 01:19:22,000 In a culture where there is not only no duty to report, 1524 01:19:22,083 --> 01:19:24,167 no protection for whistleblowers, 1525 01:19:24,250 --> 01:19:28,375 there's actually a coercion to go along. 1526 01:19:28,459 --> 01:19:31,417 Good officers that go into the department 1527 01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:33,334 idealistically thinking, 1528 01:19:33,417 --> 01:19:34,834 "I'm going to be a good officer, 1529 01:19:34,918 --> 01:19:36,476 I'm going to serve and protect the community," 1530 01:19:36,500 --> 01:19:37,792 they go into this system, 1531 01:19:37,876 --> 01:19:41,000 and they have superiors that are part of this culture, 1532 01:19:41,083 --> 01:19:45,000 and they are pressured to conform to the culture. 1533 01:20:01,792 --> 01:20:06,042 It's very rare for any police officer in Baltimore City 1534 01:20:06,125 --> 01:20:07,727 that's in the streets to be squeaky clean. 1535 01:20:07,751 --> 01:20:09,459 Everybody got some dirt on them. 1536 01:20:09,542 --> 01:20:11,209 That's why nothing ever gets done. 1537 01:20:11,292 --> 01:20:13,542 I'm with Detective Rayam here approaching this vehicle, 1538 01:20:13,626 --> 01:20:15,459 this Honda minivan... 1539 01:20:15,542 --> 01:20:18,209 Sean Suiter worked with Wayne Jenkins. 1540 01:20:18,292 --> 01:20:21,167 I know Sean Suiter had warned. 1541 01:20:21,250 --> 01:20:24,500 Gondo and Rayam about working with Wayne Jenkins. 1542 01:20:24,584 --> 01:20:26,834 That means he knows Jenkins is dirty. 1543 01:20:26,918 --> 01:20:29,000 If you telling Gondo and you telling Rayam, 1544 01:20:29,083 --> 01:20:30,334 "Yo, look out for Jenkins. 1545 01:20:30,417 --> 01:20:32,626 Watch him. He up to something," right? 1546 01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:34,959 But you don't really say nothing to the powers that be, 1547 01:20:35,042 --> 01:20:37,167 then you a part of the problem, straight up. 1548 01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:42,626 One of the questions that I get hit with a lot 1549 01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:46,083 is the amount of Black police officers we have 1550 01:20:46,167 --> 01:20:48,125 and the amount of Black politicians. 1551 01:20:48,209 --> 01:20:51,500 The problem is the system is racist. 1552 01:20:51,584 --> 01:20:53,417 The people are pawns. 1553 01:20:56,834 --> 01:20:58,584 We knew this for years. 1554 01:20:58,667 --> 01:21:00,751 You know, even when, like, some other publications 1555 01:21:00,834 --> 01:21:02,542 write about them, 1556 01:21:02,626 --> 01:21:05,083 they still think that it's maybe, like, a handful, 1557 01:21:05,167 --> 01:21:07,083 but it's more than a handful, it's large groups, 1558 01:21:07,167 --> 01:21:10,959 because it's a tradition in America for police officers 1559 01:21:11,042 --> 01:21:13,876 to treat Black people a certain kind of way... 1560 01:21:13,959 --> 01:21:16,667 Devilish, evil, steal, oppress, 1561 01:21:16,751 --> 01:21:19,542 anger, aggression, bullshit. 1562 01:21:19,626 --> 01:21:22,000 It's what they do, so, like, we know this. 1563 01:21:22,083 --> 01:21:24,792 So we know it's not over yet. 1564 01:21:35,042 --> 01:21:37,292 I never intended to do anything 1565 01:21:37,375 --> 01:21:40,792 that could not stand up to scrutiny. 1566 01:21:47,417 --> 01:21:50,918 Number 51 is on the books. 1567 01:21:52,375 --> 01:21:54,250 Bernard C. "Jack" Young 1568 01:21:54,334 --> 01:21:56,459 was sworn in as Baltimore's next mayor 1569 01:21:56,542 --> 01:21:58,751 in front of a standing-room-only crowd 1570 01:21:58,834 --> 01:22:00,834 at the War Memorial Building... 1571 01:22:05,626 --> 01:22:08,876 In my lifetime, nothing has ever changed. 1572 01:22:08,959 --> 01:22:11,667 Like, I've seen so many mayors come through this city. 1573 01:22:11,751 --> 01:22:14,292 I've seen so many politicians come through my neighborhood, 1574 01:22:14,375 --> 01:22:16,667 knock on my door, knock on this door 1575 01:22:16,751 --> 01:22:19,167 and talk about what they gonna do, 1576 01:22:19,250 --> 01:22:21,542 and nothing has happened. 1577 01:22:21,626 --> 01:22:23,667 Everybody wants change, right? 1578 01:22:23,751 --> 01:22:27,125 When we talking about change, it's a slow hustle. 1579 01:22:27,209 --> 01:22:29,751 It takes a long time. 1580 01:22:29,834 --> 01:22:31,959 It means all of the work and the time it takes 1581 01:22:32,042 --> 01:22:35,125 for you to move the ball forward just an inch. 1582 01:22:37,584 --> 01:22:39,000 In the news tonight, 1583 01:22:39,083 --> 01:22:40,751 The Baltimore City Police Department 1584 01:22:40,834 --> 01:22:42,751 says the case is closed. 1585 01:22:42,834 --> 01:22:45,125 Detective Sean Suiter killed himself 1586 01:22:45,209 --> 01:22:47,000 two years ago in Harlem Park. 1587 01:22:47,083 --> 01:22:49,626 It was a statement few saw coming, 1588 01:22:49,709 --> 01:22:51,375 brief and with no context, 1589 01:22:51,459 --> 01:22:53,125 issued by the city police commissioner. 1590 01:22:57,959 --> 01:23:00,209 Case closed. 1591 01:23:00,292 --> 01:23:02,059 If the commissioner thought he was putting an end 1592 01:23:02,083 --> 01:23:05,834 to all this with his statement yesterday, he did anything but. 1593 01:23:05,918 --> 01:23:07,542 I just want to know how many times 1594 01:23:07,626 --> 01:23:09,375 y'all gonna kill my husband? 1595 01:23:09,459 --> 01:23:13,375 This is an embarrassment to our family, his friends. 1596 01:23:15,375 --> 01:23:16,667 We ready for war. 1597 01:23:16,751 --> 01:23:19,250 Like my lawyer said, we ready for war. 1598 01:23:22,042 --> 01:23:25,709 If that's how they want it, then they better be ready. 1599 01:23:27,167 --> 01:23:29,500 We're not wearing these shirts for nothing. 1600 01:23:31,709 --> 01:23:35,542 Baltimore's top prosecutor says this case is not over. 1601 01:23:35,626 --> 01:23:37,542 With all open and pending matters, 1602 01:23:37,626 --> 01:23:39,918 I cannot ethically comment on them. 1603 01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,476 The State's Attorney's office did not respond to our question 1604 01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:44,209 about what they may be pursuing. 1605 01:23:44,292 --> 01:23:45,772 So open and pending meaning there is 1606 01:23:45,834 --> 01:23:46,894 an investigation by your office. 1607 01:23:46,918 --> 01:23:48,268 It is an open and pending matter. 1608 01:23:48,292 --> 01:23:49,709 That was all the State's Attorney 1609 01:23:49,792 --> 01:23:51,000 would say today, 1610 01:23:51,083 --> 01:23:53,667 but for its part, the office of the chief medical examiner 1611 01:23:53,751 --> 01:23:57,375 says Suiter's death does remain a homicide. 1612 01:23:57,459 --> 01:23:59,000 The chief medical examiner 1613 01:23:59,083 --> 01:24:02,209 said that he had some real concerns about the case. 1614 01:24:02,292 --> 01:24:04,876 He noted the fact that the casings 1615 01:24:04,959 --> 01:24:07,959 couldn't definitively be linked to the gun, 1616 01:24:08,042 --> 01:24:11,083 just that they were the same type of gun. 1617 01:24:11,167 --> 01:24:14,000 He said it just wasn't good enough, 1618 01:24:14,083 --> 01:24:17,334 but the biggest thing for him was that. 1619 01:24:17,417 --> 01:24:20,083 Suiter had gone through their training 1620 01:24:20,167 --> 01:24:22,125 on how to tell the difference between a homicide 1621 01:24:22,209 --> 01:24:24,125 and a suicide. 1622 01:24:24,209 --> 01:24:25,959 Shooting yourself in the head, 1623 01:24:26,042 --> 01:24:28,918 Suiter would have known that's a clear sign 1624 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,083 that someone shot themselves 1625 01:24:31,167 --> 01:24:32,518 and that he wouldn't have done it that way. 1626 01:24:32,542 --> 01:24:34,083 He would have shot himself in the chest 1627 01:24:34,167 --> 01:24:36,751 because that is less likely to appear as a suicide. 1628 01:24:36,834 --> 01:24:38,959 So the chief medical examiner 1629 01:24:39,042 --> 01:24:42,500 felt as though the way he did it was, in some ways, 1630 01:24:42,584 --> 01:24:45,584 too obvious of a suicide to be a suicide. 1631 01:24:47,876 --> 01:24:50,167 - Give us the shooter... - For Sean Suiter! 1632 01:24:50,250 --> 01:24:52,417 - Give us the shooter... - For Sean Suiter! 1633 01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:54,500 - Give us the shooter... - For Sean Suiter! 1634 01:24:54,584 --> 01:24:56,834 - Give us the shooter... - For Sean Suiter! 1635 01:24:56,918 --> 01:24:59,250 - Give us the shooter... - For Sean Suiter! 1636 01:24:59,334 --> 01:25:01,334 - Give us the shooter... - For Sean Suiter! 1637 01:25:01,417 --> 01:25:03,125 My husband did not kill himself. 1638 01:25:03,209 --> 01:25:04,834 It was a homicide, not a suicide. 1639 01:25:04,918 --> 01:25:08,042 Where are the police today? 1640 01:25:08,125 --> 01:25:10,918 Where are the people that said they were his friends? 1641 01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,959 - Sean deserves... - Justice! 1642 01:25:13,042 --> 01:25:15,834 I want you to look around and tell me where the mayor is. 1643 01:25:15,918 --> 01:25:17,959 I want you to tell me where the commissioner is, 1644 01:25:18,042 --> 01:25:20,083 because I assure you they're all standing behind me 1645 01:25:20,167 --> 01:25:21,351 looking out of the damn window. 1646 01:25:21,375 --> 01:25:22,459 Justice! 1647 01:25:22,542 --> 01:25:24,792 And I never knew that when we got the call 1648 01:25:24,876 --> 01:25:28,792 this same day two years ago that two years later 1649 01:25:28,876 --> 01:25:31,209 we would still be fighting the same battle. 1650 01:25:31,292 --> 01:25:33,209 - Sean deserves... - Justice! 1651 01:25:33,292 --> 01:25:34,667 - Sean deserves... - Justice! 1652 01:25:34,751 --> 01:25:36,250 - Sean deserves... - Justice! 1653 01:25:36,334 --> 01:25:37,500 Sean deserves... 1654 01:25:42,042 --> 01:25:45,292 Did Sean Suiter kill himself? 1655 01:25:45,375 --> 01:25:48,375 Did somebody in the alley shoot him? 1656 01:25:48,459 --> 01:25:49,375 Was it a hit 1657 01:25:49,459 --> 01:25:52,792 from the Baltimore City Police Department? 1658 01:25:52,876 --> 01:25:56,542 At the end of the day, Sean has joined a list 1659 01:25:56,626 --> 01:25:59,334 of a whole lot of Black people in the city 1660 01:25:59,417 --> 01:26:01,751 whose killing will never be solved 1661 01:26:01,834 --> 01:26:03,500 because the system is broken 1662 01:26:03,584 --> 01:26:05,500 and it has been for a long time. 1663 01:26:07,417 --> 01:26:09,459 Push it back, push it back. 1664 01:26:09,542 --> 01:26:13,083 And we keep doing the same things to try to fix it. 1665 01:26:13,167 --> 01:26:16,751 Elect a new mayor, hire a new police commissioner, 1666 01:26:16,834 --> 01:26:18,876 hire 10,000 brand-new police officers. 1667 01:26:18,959 --> 01:26:22,959 They all come in and subscribe to the same shit. 1668 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,584 Poor leadership breeds revolutionaries, 1669 01:26:29,667 --> 01:26:32,876 and we just got to be there to pick up the pieces. 1670 01:26:56,667 --> 01:26:59,083 Give me my kiss. 1671 01:26:59,167 --> 01:27:01,125 Mwah! 131913

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